FiloRen ยท 1269 points ยท Posted at 13:45:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eye transplants for people who are blind, or at least retinal transplants.
My boyfriend is blind due to a degenerative disease called X-linked Retinitis Pigmentosa. Being able to receive a transplant for this would, obviously, be life changing.
There isn't any treatment or cure for his blindness, so he doesn't even like going to the eye doctor just to hear "Yep, you're a little more blind today than you were yesterday and there's nothing we can do about it."
My grandfather has RP, and it's been an interesting 10 years since his vision really started going. About 5 years ago I was standing in his kitchen and he walked right into me, which was emotionally jarring. He still lives on his own and travels frequently.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 06:49:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh, and that'll be $80 for the appointment"
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 04:21:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I wouldn't go to the ophthalmologists either. Just take my cool stick and buy a bitchin pair of sunnies and call it a day. I'm so sorry that's happening to him. We are making huge strides in prosthetics though so maybe one day he will at least have access to affordable shitty monochromatic terminator Vision. No joke we are working on bypassing the eye and tapping right into occipital lobe. He's lucky to have you in his life, you obvioiusly care a great deal. Don't lose hope y'all, you'll live long enough to experience at least some sort of solution to this one, I'd place a good bet on it.
We are pretty darn close to this being a possibility actually. They may not result in perfect vision but I'm betting it won't be too many more years before we see a successful attempt at this.
read this earlier and that would be great to have working eye transplants
Skankz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:48:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An ex-colleagues BF had two eye transplants or something a long the lines of. It might be different since he wasn't actually blind, I don't know the details or how it works but are you 100% sure there's nothing he can do? When was the last time you were vigilant with researching the matter? Hopefully something has changed since you last looked and your BF can be helped. I hope you find something.
FiloRen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:20:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am 100% sure they can not do full eye transplants, or retinal transplants. We are very vigilant and go to seminars when they're offered in our area for free by the Foundation for Fighting Blindness.
The only transplants available are CORNEA transplants which is not connected at all to the optic nerve.
Skankz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:58:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok perhaps it was a cornea transplant then. Thought I'd mention it just incase it was in some way helpful.
Ja5un ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:27:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if it's a genetic disorder like that we may be able to fix it quite quickly if it was detected and screened for in the embryotic stages
FiloRen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:22:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't be fixed if it was detected in embryonic stages. He knew he was going to have it, his grandfather had it and his mom passed it to him because she's a carrier. All of his brothers have it as well. It's not fixable.
Ja5un ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:02:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it linked to a chromosome it would be relatively easy to correct the gene by either removing the vestigial gene or repair it rather than transplanting eyes. What could be viable is a bionic implant but for the condition your speaking about it sounds degenerative so might be hard but it is viable in the near future (maybe like 10 years) to cure these diseases before they even arise. I believe scientist have already done it with a specific heart condition but don't quote me on that one
FiloRen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:17:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the sentiments but you're definitely over simplifying a very complicated issue, lol. Like I said before, there is currently no treatment or cure. Feel free to research it, it's called X-Linked retinitis pigmentosa. Common known as RP.
I have an X-linked condition as well (not RP), and what JaSun is talking about is one of the more promising treatments in development. Gene replacement therapy is nowhere near viable, but it will most likely be a form of treatment for these conditions.
I read in an Oliver Sacks book that a guy's blindness was cured relatively later in life (30s I think) and although he could see he couldn't tell things for what they were or tell if something was close or far away. Apparently his vision center in his brain never developed, and it was too late to properly learn to see. I just thought eye transplants might not work in cases where the sight was impaired from birth.
This would be great for people who were previously able to see, or for people who still see a little. For completely blind people like me this would be one big great hell.
Not just produce, but also store. It annihilates on contact with pretty much everything near us.
Or imagine you figure out a way to store it in a stable manner. Don't let that containment fail, otherwise even a few atoms will let out a shitload of energy.
technon ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 16:59:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's really not that much energy in a few atoms. The annihilation of a proton and antiproton releases 1.88 GeV of energy, which is about 3x10-10 Joules.
A huge number of atoms isn't a lot of mass to us humans, though. 1 g of pure calcium contains about 3x10E23 protons. Annihilation of that matter with its respective antimatter would thus yield about 90 TJ of energy, or over 20 kt of TNT
So, a paper clip weighs about 1 gram. From what I have read, the annihilation of 1 gram of antimatter with 1 gram of matter would release about 1.8 x 1014 joules of energy, which is roughly equivalent to 43 kilotons of TNT.
If you detonated it in Washington Square Park in Lower Manhattan, it would destroy everything from Battery Park (lower tip of Manhattan) to 46th Street (where Times Square is). It would kill around 540,000 people and injure an additional 991,000. Those are estimates, obviously. Source.
So, it wouldn't completely destroy New York, but it would devastate Lower Manhattan.
Without having put a lot of calculation effort into it: 1 g of calcium is about 2/3 of a cm3, which is probably more than a paper pin (judging by eye). The amount of energy released by annihilating that mass is roughly equivalent to 1,4 "Lil boy"s, the bomb that was dropped on and destroyed Hiroshima (if I remember correctly).
So the statement you quoted isn't far off. A factor that is most important to determine the energy released is the number of particle/antiparticle pairs which depends on the amount of protons, neutrons and electrons contained in such a paper clip. This, in turn, depends on what the clip is made out of.
Well on the flipside, fusion bombs are literally the most powerful weapons ever detonated, by several orders of magnitude. I agree with you on "go fusion," but not because of a lower explosive threat.
I'm not that afraid of weaponisation, you CAN'T prevent that, it's just human nature, we will weaponize everything, having a safe reactor is good enough for me
Also it takes just as much energy to produce antimatter as you get from annihilating it, so as a method of power generation it makes no sense. It's like trying to support yourself by buying $2 bills using two $1 bills.
Not quite. It takes a lot of energy, but not more than the energy to create it (the matter already exists so we don't need energy to create that). So at the moment it's less efficient, but with time that could be worked around!
As a side note, the cost has come down a lot recently, due to advances in creating it from lasers, rather than particle bombardments.
No dude. You can't just create an antimatter particle. You need to create a matter-antimatter pair. It's called pair production. Look up the conservation of charge.
Fuck me, someone on Reddit actually doing what people do in real life conversations. I wish there were more people humble enough to accept they may not be right and go and read up more. Well done, keep on keeping on :)
The real problem is that it takes exactly the same amount of energy to produce antimatter as the antimatter will eventually turn into. At best it is an extremely high density battery.
Antimatter is only an energy transport tool, you had to have made that antimatter earlier which involves more energy than you get from it, and even if you could break even you could only ever break exactly even and no more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not doubling your energy because in a closed system you can only convert half your available matter into antimatter. Also you need to add energy to matter to convert it, which in a closed system is going to come from the normal matter.
Your example just shows that you don't have to be carrying the normal matter around with you, you can grab it from the environment.
With anti matter, we have to take our own energy, make it, and then we just get our energy back.
But existing matter holds energy that isn't ours, it came from stars, so to us, it is basically free energy, because we didn't have to do the work to get it.
The same way a free lunch is free, someone had to pay for it, but not us, so it's free.
Antimatter is basically buying a lunch, and then selling it to someone else for no profit.
That's not relevant at all. We can 'make' electricity by burning coal, or by turning sunlight into it, but you can't just mine antimatter to make turn into electricity. You have to make it first, and then you annihilate it and lose some energy to neutrinos and other processes. /u/the_Demongod is right, antimatter is more like a battery than a source of electric energy.
Luggash ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:30:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think retrieving energy in form of electricity from antimatter is anywhere near. From what I know, we are closer to fusion reaction.
Correct me if you know more.
No? Antimatter and matter collisions release energy which we can harness. Creating our own antimatter to then get the energy back out of it would be pointless besides maybe as a battery, but if somewhere in the universe has some anti matter for us to collect it could be used as fuel.
The same process that would produce large amounts of isolated matter floating in space.
There is no proven difference between matter and antimatter, it's the same thing in isolation. You could call our matter anti matter, and call anti matter 'matter' and it would mean the same thing. Just like North and South on a magnet, there's nothing inherently different about them besides them being inverses of each other.
And the fact that we only seem to see normal matter in the universe is a big mystery, and it hints towards some difference between normal and antimatter, but we don't have any proof of it.
Exactly. There's a fundamental asymmetry between matter and antimatter that is unexplained by conventional physics. At some fraction of a second after the Big Bang, more matter was produced than antimatter, and all the antimatter was annihilated. How any could have survived is beyond me.
Yes, exactly. Anti matter we make would be classified more as a battery than as a fuel. If somewhere in the universe there's a bunch of antimatter though, it would be good fuel.
Antimatter isn't an energy source. You need to expend a lot of energy to make antimatter. When you smash it together with matter you're just getting that energy back out again (and probably wasted a lot due to inefficiencies in your manufacturing process). Its usefulness comes because it's a ridiculously dense energy storage method. The problem is actually storing it. Interestingly, it's theorised that some anti-atoms may be able to chemically bond with normal atoms without annihilating, forming a kind of matter/antimatter clay.
"Taking the molecular bound state idea mentioned above a step further, there may be trap designs which allow ordinary solid-state matter to be used as a โspongeโto store antimatter. The antimatter could be encapsulated in an ordinary matter matrix."
I hate ISPs with a burning passion. Those fuckers take our money for a shitty service and then HAVE THE FUCKING BALLS TO PASS A LAW WHERE THEY CAN SELL OUR PERSONAL INFO? Yeah, fuck that. Scum.
More profit if it's limited, though, as Comcast already realised.
vvntn ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Data transfer is not unlimited.
Cables, satellites and routing equipment all have their own limitations, which constitute what we call bandwidth.
Yes, tier 1 projects are usually built with significant overcapacity, but that doesn't mean it's free or unlimited in any way, it's just smarter and more cost-effective to build infrastructure like that.
You can sell it at 95% the cost of others and you have a total domination of the market.
In some places, you can sell it at 110% and say "it's green, carbon neutral buy our power and you save the planet, it just costs a little bit more, but it's worth it for the peace of mind."
Or you can get people to pass laws that tax "dirty power" and bring their costs up to 150% of current and then you can sell your clean power at 145% of current.
I know. If they could cure cancer, they would do it and just charge a fucking shit load for it. Especially if it was more pleasant than chemo, people would eat it up.
dashfish ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad that this is the case and it makes you think about when capitalism hits it's limits. Same with research into cures vs just treatments for diseases. What do you do when the right thing is not the smart thing?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:34:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit you and I are on the same page. Let's research solutions to diseases and ways to prevent it instead of just pushing pills to cover up the symptoms. Currently, the medical industry is trying to create long term customers instead of solutions.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't put it all on medicine, they try to prevent a great deal of diseases, but patients often just won't comply. They've known for thousands of years...
He that takes medicine and neglects diet, wastes the skills of the physician. -chinese proverb
Eat your veggies, don't smoke or drink, exercise, sugar in moderation, etc. My SO's a MD, a big cause of burnout is how they can try so hard to help people but their patients remain self-destructive. One patient she caught with a smuggled cheeseburger and sneaking cigarettes <24 hrs post surgery after she explicitly warned her that doing so might literally, irreversibly kill her.
Capitalism is just a model that works pretty well in turning resource-rich, technology-poor societies into technology rich ones in a short amount of time. However it is abysmal in terms of equitable resource allocation in the end stage.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a company could develop a controlled fusion reactor that could generate electricity using the hydrogen available in nature, they would be selling a huge amount of electricity without paying very much at all for their fuel. This creates a huge profit motive for fusion to be developed. And you guys are claiming that the free, unlimited hydrogen acts as a disincentive? You guys have it ass backwards.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:32:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems okay in spoken theory, but in reality, as it would require a huge investment to research and build a reactor, if it happened the company which developed the technology would instead create a monopoly by putting the other energy companies out of business, then increasing prices when there is no competition. Patents exist, and work to prevent competing businesses.
Pure capitalism simply doesn't work to progress society, instead, a mixed system (mixture of capitalist and socialist ideas) is necessary. It doesn't directly benefit capitalists to develop one-off cures instead of medications which need to be taken through a person's life; that's when scientists in publicly funded universities (which is part of the socialist thought) should research for themselves.
Once something which has been researched can be legally produced by a competent manufacturer in an industry with a low-barrier to entry, is when true competition begins. If something is researched by a company, during the patent term royalties could be forced increasing product prices, or the patent could be completely restricted. When a publicly funded university researches something, it's usually available for everyone.
I agree. The reason fusion doesn't get much funding is because it hasn't had any commercially useful progress. From a business perspective, throwing any more money at it would be about as wise as buying lottery tickets--there's no guarantee when, if ever, it will pay out.
Wind, solar, hydroelectric, etc. provided useful results nearly from the start, meaning companies could actually expect a return on investment--so that's where the money went.
Vecrin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except we are long past late stage capitalism. That term was used to explain why there was no global revolution in the 70s and 80s. We are already past late stage.
There are plenty of business models built on providing high fixed cost, low marginal cost product. Some of those businesses are quite lucrative. I can make unlimited phone calls on my cell phone for a fixed monthly rate. Same with landlines.
My cable TV subscription comes with unlimited media consumption โ I can leave my TV on for 24 hours a day, all 30 days of the billing period, and my cable bill will cost me the same as if I kept the TV turned off. I pay a monthly fee essentially based on my access to that infrastructure.
Why should energy economics be any different, even if energy itself becomes orders of magnitude cheaper to produce? We still need a power transmission and storage infrastructure, and that will still cost a lot of labor and materials to maintain.
gspleen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But with unlimited power we could mine so many Bitcoins!
Such an ignorant answer. If you had a box that made infinite power, you could sell that power to anywhere that the cost of powerlines was lower than the cost of generation power locally.
If it was really safe, and you were the only one with it, you could set up in Tokyo, or NYC, or Paris, or whichever city agreed to let you take over their electrical grid, Paris or Berlin would probably be more interested than other cities, and then they stop making power, and you make all of it, and you get all the money that used to go to creating power through carbon means, and you get rich as fuck.
You're an idiot if you think there isn't money in infinite free power.
The real problem is that we cant make fusion productively. We are still researching it, and we are getting very very slow progress.
What a pompous dick. You clearly have no idea how to win over the people you disagree with. Maybe I'm wrong to think what I do, but that's not the way to go about proving it if you're goal is to actually change my mind. Stay far away from /r/changemyview. You won't be getting any deltas anytime soon.
I believe there's no money in unlimited, infinite power because the discovery and implementation of such a tech capability might ultimately compromise the power industry's ability to engage in fair competition.
What entity, apart from either the U.S. military or an established power company, would be able to develop such a technology? If it originates from the private sector, then how will other companies compete with unlimited power?
If it happens and doesn't originate from the public sector, how will we avoid a monopoly on power?
Also, why would anyone funnel money into something that creates an outcome in which the vast and overwhelming majority of established power corporations and conglomerates stand to lose everything? Knowing of all the string-pulling that goes in behind closed doors in government, do you really think the buyers and the sellers are going to let that happen?
wenoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Patents do not protect you from governments. They tend to not give a shit about parents because they own the courts they will be sued in.
For the exact reasons that Lockheed Martin is developing, supposedly a fusion reactor that can be transported by a big rig.
They know that if they get it running they can sell power in a wide variety of situations, including to the military, and they can make a shit ton of money.
We'll see if they deliver, and if it's truly fusion.
The reason why we don't have fusion is because it's not currently possible with the tech we have. We can make things that theoretically and even in practice create fusion, but we cant make one that is efficient enough that it produces more harvestable waste heat than it requires in power to generate containment fields.
There is some promising research into more complexity in containment fields that might make it work, but so far no one is making it work, because it's out of our technological grasp. Possibly because it's out of the realm of physical possibility on the scale that we are hoping to use it.
Regardless, I don't really care if I change the mind of some infantile prick who wants to condense the enormous complexity of the issue of "can we achieve productive fusion power," into "why would we make it there's no money in infinite free power."
There is nothing sensible in that statement. I don't know what you think a fusion generator is going to look like, but we'll be lucky if it's cheaper than current methods of generating for the first 30 or so years. It's not gonna be a magic fluffy box that loves you and makes power for free, it's going to be the most complex and technologically advanced mechanism on earth, which requires special materials, special oversight, exacting machining, and enormous power grid backing it up to fire up the first time, and a whole supply chain to bring the fuel to the reactor.
The promise isn't free power, it's power that we'll never see a future in which we can't put fuel in our generators.
TL;DR fusion wont be free, or even cheap, and if you want to make that argument you can fuck right off.
Are you an asshole on the internet alone, or are you as much of a disagreeable cunt in real life?
Inexplicably, you've managed to miss the core premise of my question and somehow seem to be under the impression that I doubt either the plausibility or verisimilitude of fusion power in the future -- I'm assuming you wanted to show everyone how smart you is by providing yourself an opportunity to explain to me that which I already understood.
Please answer the question you've been avoiding -- what happens to the existing trillion-dollar industry? Do they just conveniently adapt and fit into your fusion supply-chain?
Also, if you care at all about this (and it seems you do), then you should certainly care about changing peoples' minds. But I don't believe you for a second when you say that. That starts with reforming your antagonistic, prissy demeanor.
Frankly, it's because of toxic people like you that Reddit has devolved from a place that once welcomed polite, respectful debate into the toxic hellhole that it has become.
I think in the past, idiots who make reductionist statements like:
Unlimited anything doesn't make money -- especially unlimited power.
simply didn't exist.
Reddit used to be a place where smart educated people had smart educated conversations.
You get what you pay for, and we haven't put jack shit into fusion research.
This is the comment that got things going, also an incredibly ignorant statement. It's demonstrably false. We've put billions into research that has gone no where, and there is no proof that progress is even possible, while at the same time tons and tons of proven technologies have been invested in and successfully used, so you could argue that our process was prudent, and that a wisely led society (not claiming that's us) would use fission as a stop gap while fusion was researched and brought into effective use.
Unlimited anything doesn't exist. Everything in real life has limits.
What is your point? Do you want to say anything factually accurate or informed? Fusion will not be free or cheap or unlimted. We have current limits to fueling fusion, and in order to fuel basic fusion technologies in a long term capacity, we will need to harvest materials from the solar system. Again not cheap.
Because the infrastructure of fusion is going to be very high tech, and require complicated construction and maintenance, it wont be happening in a void of economy.
Lastly, the cost of power undermines the productivity of the economy. Gas gets more expensive, economy slows down. Gas gets cheaper, people take more road trips, go on more vacations, play with motor sports more.
If you think that in some way if we had magic energy boxes, that it wouldn't massively empower our economy in all other areas, you're just not thinking about things clearly. The US government would definitely make free unlimited power boxes if they could, because the economy would sky rocket, trains would never pay for fuel again, major mining equipment that is ultra massive and runs huge banks of generators would just have a free box in it that supplies all the power. Mining would accelerate, comodity prices in some sectors would drop, and then you'd have even more productivity.
Other than defending yourself without cause, do you have anything to say, anything actual or important?
To answer your incredibly lame question: They are fucked. They will never see growth again, and they will slowly dwindle as carbon fuel systems are replaced with fusion systems. In the real world, they are fucked already, but the process is going to take a while. Growth in a major way has left the industry, and the ecosystem actually requires this, so it's good that it's happening. Solar is going to become increasingly cheaper. Smart electric grids are making better and better use of electricity. Cities are being cleaned up and repopulated and saving society and the ecosystem from the absurd costs of suburban living. Lots of the energy companies are going to see growth by using their capital and their expertise and placement in the market by moving into this field, and it's likely if we had fusion, you'd see the same thing.
Lets say, worst case scenario, Lockheed rolls out their fusion plant next year. They can make 50 a year in three years when they get mass production in swing, and they roll out the max for every year after. It's a private company, so they wont let their tech out, and they'll have a Lockheed engineering team on site for each one. It powers a small city all by itself.
How long does it take until the US is powered only by Lockheed fusion plants? Lets do some math, lets say the plant powers 50,000 people, a decently sized small city: 325,000,000 people in the US, so that's 6,500 generators required to power the US municipal system. Thats not counting heavy industry, or trains.
If Lockheed doesn't scale up production and keeps it at 50, it'll only take 130 years before the fossil fuel companies are fucked.
Do you see how infantile this argument is? Fusion generators are not going to be free, they are not going to be mass produced magically fast, they are going to be a foundation of future electrical production, but we'll probably see bigger change in the near future from solar and wind and smart grids than we'll see from fusion even if Lockheed starts mass production tomorrow.
Oh, and to answer your first question: am I this much of a disagreeable cunt in real life? Generally yes, but I'm also intimidating and smarter than everyone, so when people are idiots in front of me and I demolish them, they usually just shut up and listen and resent me quietly, instead of making a scene like you are, pretending you have a point and a basis from which to talk.
Sure, that's not a LOT of money in terms of the budget or whatever. But it's not "jack shit". It was enough to build and operate several major facilities. Which failed to reach break-even.
6 decades. Comes out to $0.5 billion / year. Here's some annual spending comparisons, for the US only, recently:
$70 b on military R&D
$11.6 b on F-35 fighters
$9.6 b on missile systems
$0.5 b spent on fossil fuels research
$0.5 b spent on fission research
So yes, that qualifies as "jack shit" in my book. Compared to the possible benefits to human civilization, our measly investment is as lethargic as efforts get.
Yes, as I said, it's not a LOT of money compared to other things. But how much better would renewable energy and storage be today if we'd put that $30 billion into them instead of fusion ? They've been WORKING for decades; fusion isn't.
If you want to compare to "possible benefits to human civilization", how about if we'd invested that $30 billion in curing malaria, or stopping food waste ?
No, $30 billion is not "jack shit". You want more, fine. But don't pretend we haven't invested anything.
Seems to contradict everything you try to argue for right after.
how much better would renewable energy and storage be today if we'd put that $30 billion into them instead of fusion ?
Not nearly as much as you could improve fusion, since the former techs are more mature and are plateauing. This is a pretty basic concept. You also don't have to stop funding those things to fund fusion. Furthermore, if fusion is successful, it would dwarf all other energy sources and allow rapid fulfillment of humanity's energy needs, whereas renewables have remained a stagnant percentage in much of the developed world.
They've been WORKING for decades; fusion isn't.
"We shouldn't invest in any new technology because it doesn't already exist."
how about if we'd invested that $30 billion in curing malaria, or stopping food waste?
I didn't suggest taking money from malaria funds, and we're pretty far along on that track anyway. Do we really need all those F-35s though? I also didn't ask for $30b, it's pretty telling that you have to jump to such a ludicrous number. Even a nice $2b would quadruple what we put in now.
But don't pretend we haven't invested anything.
It's an informal phrase that means very little, not zero. You're reaching very far to try to justify our misguided priorities.
Not nearly as much as you could improve fusion, since the former techs are more mature and are plateauing.
Now you're just showing bias. Renewables and storage are not "mature" in any sense. They're hot areas of development, in the labs new solar cells and new batteries and hydrogen storage etc are being announced all the time.
In contrast, most parts of a fusion reactor would indeed be mature tech, not amenable to cost-reduction. A big steam plant driving a spinning generator. Big magnets to confine the plasma.
"Big" fusion will be similar to today's fission plants, as far as I can tell, minus the fuel costs. Still a big complicated reactor, actually MORE complicated than a fission reactor. Tons of electronics and high-power electrical and electromagnets and maybe superconductors to control and confine and heat a plasma, or drive lasers to ignite pellets. You get a thermal flux (neutrons) to drive a big steam plant that drives a generator. So lots of high pressures and temperatures to control, lots of pumps and turbines and other moving parts. Still some radiation, not nearly as much as for a fission plant. No need for a sturdy containment vessel. Still a terrorist target, still need security.
Fuel cost is about 30% of operating cost [not LCOE, I don't know how that translates] of today's fission reactors. Subtract that, so I estimate cost of energy from fusion will be 70% of today's fission cost. Renewables plus storage are going to pass below that level soon, maybe in the next 10 years.
Now, if we get a breakthrough and someone invents "small" fusion, somehow generating electricity directly from some simple device, no huge control infrastructure, no tokamak or lasers, no steam plant and spinning generator, etc, that would be a different story.
Calling the techs mature is not an insult nor is it a way of disregarding their importance. They are just a different generation, apples to oranges. I've sat through dozens (quite literally) of presentations by professors researching batteries, and the lab next door mainly works on thin film PV, I think I have a pretty good idea of what the field is like.
Renewables and storage are not "mature" in any sense.
Solar panels have climbed from ~16 to ~20% efficiency over the last decade, and are plateauing. Multijunction can reach higher but is much more expensive. Wind is pretty close to totally optimized. Batteries have lots of money being poured in but very few complete results. Each paper that comes out tends to focus on one or two aspects (capacity, voltage, fast recharge, fast discharge, poisoning of the gap between cathode/electrolyte, electrolyte/anode, new materials, etc.) As one might expect, other areas tend to be a downgrade from conventional techs. While there is still going to be some improvement, there needs to be breakthroughs in fundamental techniques before we see leaps and bounds.
most parts of a fusion reactor would indeed be mature tech, not amenable to cost-reduction.
Where in the world did you get this idea? Decent solar panels have been in production since the 50s, wind and batteries way longer. Large fusion stellarators weren't even possible to construct until around 2000. Tokamaks with high confinement also weren't possible until around the same time. Calling fusion "big steam plant, big magnets to confine plasma" is like calling solar "flat rocks in sun make little lightning." Yeah, that's the layman's premise, but it doesn't tell you anything about the actual technical challenges.
"Big" fusion will be similar to today's fission plants, as far as I can tell, minus the fuel costs.
Then you need to review fundamental nuclear physics. Fusion's energy yield is an order of magnitude more.
MORE complicated than a fission reactor
Directly contradicts your attempt to oversimplify earlier. More complicated = less mature, more amenable to cost reduction.
Still a terrorist target
What on earth are you talking about? There's no plutonium to steal.
Subtract that, so I estimate cost of energy from fusion will be 70% of today's fission cost. Renewables plus storage are going to pass below that level soon, maybe in the next 10 years.
Your math is more than a little off. Levelized cost is per unit energy basis. A better comparison would be that for the same plant cost (early commercial model), fusion would get 4x the energy with 0.5x the fuel cost. If we use your, 30% figure, that comes out to a LCOE of 20.4. Compare this to 53.8 for natural gas, 95.1 for coal, 55.8 for wind, and 73.7 for solar.
Now, if we get a breakthrough and someone invents "small" fusion
We don't have small natural gas, and it's most of what we use. Economy comes from scale, portability is for niche applications.
Ok, I give up. You're saying half a dozen new wrong things each time, I'm done.
wenoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Bill Gates once said it won't happen any faster if you pour more money into it. He has that other nuclear project and said you can fund the best team of scientist and their experiments but after that it doesn't get significantly faster no matter how much money you pour into it. You're better off funding some other idea.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see big Fusion is ALLL OVER this thread looking for $$
The fuck is "big fusion"? You realize this shit is only going on in laboratories right now right? It's very expensive to research because it requires high energy lasers and very complicated equipment, but if it were produced successfully, it would literally mean almost infinite free energy and would revolutionize the entire world, not just some ass hole company who is gonna try to claim it all.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:52:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think he was /s. and, anyway... 99.9999% of the cost of electricity is the infrastructure to get it to homes and businesses.. not the fuel itself. so, "unlimited" energy would still cost the same for everyone
While infrastructure is costy, 99.9999% is a bit of an overestimation, no? Especially for industry that consume large amounts of electricity to produce goods.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a bit, yeah.. my point was really that the actual price of the fuel (coal vs uranium vs hydrogen) doesn't hardly factor into the price of electricity. it's all in infrastructure and upkeep. there is no 'free energy' even if u can get butt-loads of energy from a tiny amount of hydrogen
Wrong. For coal-fired plants 60% of the cost is fuel. 80% of the levelized cost for natural gas plants is fuel. For nuclear it's lower, around 7%, which is why, even with far greater capital, infrastructure, and maintenance costs, nuclear is still cost-competitive with fossil fuels.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bit of an overestimation, but yeah.. i guess it could be said better thusly: the price of the fuel used to generate electricity is negligible. whether coal or hydrogen, the vast majority of the expense is in generation and transmission. people think that virtually unlimited power from a few grams of hydrogen would mean "free energy", but my point was that the price of energy would be roughly the same.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's still a valid point. The stats list fuel at 20%, that would be eclipsed in no time by additional operating costs and extremely expensive plants. It would probably need subsidies starting out, and may even increase transmission costs because they would more than likely have to be more centralized.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah nah, mining, transportation and distribution is a massive cost. Also the fact that fossil fuels run out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not rly, at least not with nuclear. massive cost from a normal poor persons viewpoint but only a sliver of a sliver of the overall cost of maintaining nation wide power grids (maybe it's more than a sliver of a sliver.. but it's definitely like less than a 5th of the cost)
"It's amazing when you think of it," said Adell. His broad face had lines of weariness in it, and he stirred his drink slowly with a glass rod, watching the cubes of ice slur clumsily about. "All the energy we can possibly ever use for free. Enough energy, if we wanted to draw on it, to melt all Earth into a big drop of impure liquid iron, and still never miss the energy so used. All the energy we could ever use, forever and forever and forever."
Lupov cocked his head sideways. He had a trick of doing that when he wanted to be contrary, and he wanted to be contrary now, partly because he had had to carry the ice and glassware. "Not forever," he said.
"Oh, hell, just about forever. Till the sun runs down, Bert."
"That's not forever."
"All right, then. Billions and billions of years. Twenty billion, maybe. Are you satisfied?"
Lupov put his fingers through his thinning hair as though to reassure himself that some was still left and sipped gently at his own drink. "Twenty billion years isn't forever. What I say is that a sun won't last forever. That's all I'm saying. We're safe for twenty billion years, but then what?" Lupov pointed a slightly shaky finger at the other. "And don't say we'll switch to another sun."
"Why not? Someday. Ask Multivac."
"You ask Multivac. I dare you. Five dollars says it can't be done."
Adell was just drunk enough to try, just sober enough to be able to phrase the necessary symbols and operations into a question which, in words, might have corresponded to this: Will mankind one day without the net expenditure of energy be able to restore the sun to its full youthfulness even after it had died of old age? Or maybe it could be put more simply like this: How can the net amount of entropy of the universe be massively decreased?
Multivac fell dead and silent. The slow flashing of lights ceased, the distant sounds of clicking relays ended.
Then, just as the frightened technicians felt they could hold their breath no longer, there was a sudden springing to life of the teletype attached to that portion of Multivac. Five words were printed: INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER.
wouldn't this kill the whole industry if it ends up being free for everyone? Unlimited basically means free.
jf808 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:00:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited just means that the source of energy has no real stopping point (it does, but that's a problem for our great great great great... great grandkids). It still costs money to run the facilities and maintain distribution.
Sort of but not in the economic sense. All forms of alternative energy have their shortcomings and make them not ideal for every situation. For example solar works best in places with a lot of sunlight and little cloud cover along the equator. It doesn't work nearly as well in the UK for example where its cloudy a lot and doesn't get as much direct sunlight either.
Same for wind, it needs consistent prevailing winds to keep power production up but the places where that is the case usually also have bad storms that can create powerful enough winds to damage or destroy the windmills outright.
Geothermal only works in certain places where you can get access to the heat. That also happens to be places where earthquakes and volcanoes are common.
Fusion doesn't have these drawbacks. It's doesn't care about the weather and can be built just about anywhere. The only thing it really needs is deuterium which you get from sea water. Anyone with a coast already has it and for everyone else it's not like it's expensive.
You sound pretty knowledgeable about fusion. What makes it so much better than a traditional fission plant? Is it just easier to get Deuterium than Uranium, or is the physical process behind fusion ideal?
Hi there! I'm currently a high schooler, but nuclear fusion is my (hopeful) career path, so I've done some research. So let me try!
One big difference is a meltdown. Or for fusion, the lack there of. We all know the fall back of a complete fission reactor failure. This is because once you start the splitting of uranium, it doesn't stop, thus you have to control it all the way through. With fusion, however, there is no chance of a meltdown. If something goes wrong you can 'unplug it', sort of like unplugging a lamp. Pull the plug and the plasma rapidly cools down, there would be damage to the reactor, but it's nothing like Chernobyl 2.0. So much safer...
Up next is resource. Fission requires uranium, which is fairly expensive to come by (and destroys a lot of land). Not to mention handling it just flat out sucks. Fusion (generally) requires deuterium and tritium (two of the first, and most abundant, elements in the universe). A ton of deutirum is in water (I believe it was 5 grams per litre of water? From ITER official website). While Deutirum is readily avalible, Tritium is tricky. Tritium has a relatively small half-life and can be hard to come by. However, I believe an Isotope of Lithium supposedly could be used instead, and also produce tritium.
Following resources, we'll look at waste. As you know, Uranium radioactive waste is very dangerous for a very long time. Generally it's just stuck in barrels that are placed in a mountain, and we just hope nothing goes wrong. Fusion waste basically produces no waste and actually can produce Helium, which we are running out of (And Goddammit I want my balloons). Granted a small amount of radioactive waste will be produced. The big difference is that the waste is only radioactive for a few hundred years (at most).
The biggest drawback is that it's unknown if human made fusion is possible. Currently, every test we run does suggest we can, but it is still only a theory. It's the main reason no one funds fusion, it's a massive gamble as to if humans physically can do it (with net-positive energy). Hope I was able to give some insight, but if you have any other questions feel free to ask!). Have a wonderful day, gender-neutral persons
Edit: Kurzgesagt did a good video on it, some of my points above are from him. Here you go! https://youtu.be/mZsaaturR6E
That actually answered everything I was curious about. As another person in your age group, this made perfect sense. Thanks for the great reply, and good luck with your career path! :)
The big things are that it can't melt down fusion is inherently fail safe, and that deuterium is far more plentiful than uranium as well as not aiding in nuclear proliferation.
While this is true, we have effectively infinite uranium available. Hundreds of years of known deposits we can mine, and if demand ever exceeded that apply and drove the price up, seawater extraction extends that supply by thousands more years.
not aiding in nuclear proliferation.
Electricity-producing reactors are a very very ineffective way to make fissionable materials for weapons.
Thorium reactors can, they just do so in a safe and non destructive way. Also the vast majority of operational reactors out there can melt down. The modern ones are few in number. Westinghouse just went bankrupt trying to build some. I know the latest are supposed to be completely failsafe and use gravity to work the control rods in a safe and controlled way but have any of those been built yet?
While this is true, we have effectively infinite uranium available. Hundreds of years of known deposits we can mine, and if demand ever exceeded that apply and drove the price up, seawater extraction extends that supply by thousands more years.
That of course ignores the fact that uranium mining is dangerous and very time consuming. It also comes out in a very impure ore. Deuterium is cheaper and safer to get. So much so its cheap enough to buy online in decent quantities.
Electricity-producing reactors are a very very ineffective way to make fissionable materials for weapons.
Let's not fool ourselves. Places like Iran aren't going through all the trouble of a nuclear program to make electricity generating nuclear power plants. They are doing it to make breeder reactors in order to make weapons grade uranium. It's not the most efficient method but with other technologies closed to them through embargoes and the US military bricking their centrifuges with malware its what they've got.
anchpop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:38:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion reactors are simple. You would only need a few thousand dollars and some grit to build one yourself (I think a boy scout built one a few years back). The only issue is that those reactors require more energy than they produce - getting more out than you put in is hard part.
That's off topic, the main advantage is that fusion reactors don't make radioactive waste, and also the fuel is much cheaper for fusion than it is for fission.
Another possibility would be Thorium reactors, which are a type of fission reactor that don't generate waste (the run off Thorium, which is much more commonplace than the Uranium used in fission reactors)
Actually he made a fission reactor or at least tried to with the materials from smoke detectors. Caused a lot of radiation and I think he ended up passing away recently.
anchpop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, I mixed him up with the redditor who built one a while back
Fusion is not unlimited. The practical reactions use deuterium and lithium-6. There are limited supplies of lithium-6. A fusion-based economy would eventually carve out the entire crust of the Earth mining for lithium.
According to my calculations, if our society expanded to 50 quadrillion people, an economy that size would exhaust the solar system's lithium in just a couple centuries. It's actually the premise of a sci-fi story I wrote
Cool! Yeah, that makes sense:
100 million years/100 years is a million, just like 10 quadrillion people/10 billion people.
Kebble ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would become so cheap to even meter, but there would still be costs associated with the whole thing.
How that could work is governments would have contracts with companies that deal with fusion and the contract would cover the costs of their machines, maintenance, material etc.
And of course that would be covered by taxes and in exchange everyone gets free unlimited energy that is only limited by how much the power grid can handle at once.
But by then we might also have killer batteries coupled with a smart powergrid that distributes the free energy right into your home's battery during downtime that you can use for whatever you want.
Of course it's not "free" since it's financed by your taxes, but it would essentially be a flat cost shared by everyone that covers the infrastructure, but individually it wouldn't depend on how much you use. Big-ass companies with higher energetic needs might contract with the fusion companies directly because why not.
The industry would shrink to whoever can provide the energy for the lowest infrastructure costs, cause at that point nobody will want to run on coal/oil/gas/solar.
I know that just writing all that, it seems like a utopia, getting to that point means heaps of technological advancements and tons of government paperwork and red tapes and expensive projects to put it all in place but assuming the tech ends up happening it's gonna be something that has to be done at some point. Or at least I hope so.
n33g3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Too cheap to meter" - a famous phrase from the '50s regarding nuclear fission. As you know, that turned out to be false.
Fusion is only unlimited in the same way fission, wind and solar is unlimited. You still have the plant cost, upkeep, design, etc to pay for just like any other source of electricity. What evidence is there to suggest that fusion will be cheaper than fission, solar or wind?
mlbhr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the main thing about fusion is that everyone could have a micro plant and be self-sufficient. Some people already do that with solar/wind but you need a pretty significant infrastructure aka investment both in terms of money and space to be totally independent. A tiny plant could power a home or a neighborhood easily.
n33g3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said, what makes fusion intrinsically more cost effective than something like wind or solar? We've barely reached net-energy positive and this was done in a very impractical and expensive way. What are you basing your cost predictions on?
It is my understanding that the net power output from a fusion scales rapidly as you increase the reactor size. That is to say a large fusion reactor is much more efficient than many small reactors. I'm no nuclear physicist but this seems to arise from the relation between volume and surface area as the dimensions increase. This, to my knowledge, may be a law of physics which ensures large scale reactors will always be more cost effective than smaller reactors.
It's unclear whether the phrase was referring to fission or fusion.
n33g3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of what Lewis Strauss originally meant in America, nuclear fission was sold to the British people as "too cheap to meter" energy as the first reactors were being built.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kill an industry that causes global ecological crises and spreads pollution everywhere? I hope so
I'd settle for high-efficiency, sustainable solar power collection, really. We already have access to a huge source of natural fusion power in the Sun, and it's conveniently located millions of miles away from populated areas.
there is no chance of explosions/fallout from nuclear fusion (unlike fission) so not sure what you mean by millions of miles away...but I think solar power is a lot more realistic
I was cracking a joke about the distance. And if the Sun pulled a Chernobyl (reaction went out of control), none of us would likely be around to worry about it anyway. Not that that's likely, of course, for another few billion years.
I was not referring to an exact duplication of events. Of course, given the username, I can see why I am now having to explain that. My bad for not catching that earlier, I suppose.
Solar instability is possible (sunspots, solar flares larger than our planet, etc.) but a full blown nova is staggeringly unlikely, and our planet's magnetic field deflects the radiation and solar wind fluctuations caused by the events that do occur. Mostly.
I realize that at the scale, and with the type, of fusion plants that would be likely, an instability would basically result in the reaction failing to occur almost immediately. Of course, that's because right now we can barely get the reactions to occur at all, even by pumping more power in than we can derive from the reaction. A better, more self-sustaining reactor (one that would be worth running at all from an energy production standpoint) would likely have very different operational behavior.
Still, it's an intriguing possibility. After all, almost all other forms of energy are derivatives of solar power: burning wood is releasing the energy stored in the plant by using photosynthesis to strip carbon from CO2 to build the plant; coal and oil are plant derivatives; wind and water power -- weather is a solar-driven phenomena. Gravity drives the water turbines, but weather puts the rainwater back up at the top of the gradient to flow down to the ocean again.
Only fission, fusion, and to an extent geothermal, derive their power from non-solar sources.
I'm not failing to see uses of it, or even addressing uses of it. I was just pointing out we have ridiculous amounts of fusion-produced energy pouring down on us every day, without having to induce fusion on our own necessarily.
I'm not against fusion power at all, but there is, as I mentioned, freely available fusion power right now, while we're working on home-grown.
VLXS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Allow me the opportunity to plug the Polywell here, it's probably the quickest, most scaleable and cheapest to kickstart way of actually getting fusion reactors that can fit on the back of a truck and cost "just" millions to produce.
Been severely underfunded for years decades and under patent lockdown from the US Navy.
No matter how you do it something like that would be destabilizing. Look at any energy revolution we've had in the past. They've all shook things up, even nuclear which didn't have as big a commercial impact as everyone thought it would has changed the world in major ways. Coal power did so even more.
There are a lot of things that are expensive and difficult to do simply because they are inefficient and require huge amounts of power. Fusion reactors won't be cheap or free but they would pay themselves off really quickly and allow a level of energy independence that was previously unheard of. The price of a lot of things would fall simply because we eliminated one of the major costs in the economy.
That would KO too many powerful businesses. Unfortunately, a lot of wishful solutions listed here coming to pass will be dictated by money and those in power.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mighty big quote marks there. Power generation stations using advanced materials, cutting edge control system technology, fuel purification and refinement, ideal transmission and distribution networks, and best of all, it's all maintenance free.
Even if we get fusion mastered there's a might tall mountain of costs to climb to deliver that unlimited energy and I'll bet you the energy isn't free even at the summit.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could finally prove that people are inherently greedy when the unlimited energy isn't free.
"Big" fusion will be similar to today's fission plants, as far as I can tell, minus the fuel costs. Still a big complicated reactor, actually MORE complicated than a fission reactor. Tons of electronics and high-power electrical and electromagnets and maybe superconductors to control and confine and heat a plasma, or drive lasers to ignite pellets. You get a thermal flux (neutrons) to drive a big steam plant that drives a generator. So lots of high pressures and temperatures to control, lots of pumps and turbines and other moving parts. Still some radiation, not nearly as much as for a fission plant. No need for a sturdy containment vessel. Still a terrorist target, still need security.
Fuel cost is about 30% of operating cost [not LCOE, I don't know how that translates] of today's fission reactors. Subtract that, so I estimate cost of energy from fusion will be 70% of today's fission cost. Renewables plus storage are going to pass below that level soon, maybe in the next 10 years.
Now, if we get a breakthrough and someone invents "small" fusion, somehow generating electricity directly from some simple device, no huge control infrastructure, no tokamak or lasers, no steam plant and spinning generator, etc, that would be a different story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An apocalyptic scenario! Almost destroyed the home planet of the Puppeteers in the Ringworld books. Unlimited energy and extended life spans are the two worst possible things for Earth and its humans that are thought of as desirable.
Solar is more than enough tbh. It just requires a huge initial investment and a lot of maintenance but then it's basically infinitely renewable and safe and can saturate our energy requirements for a very long time. That's assuming a great increase in energy requirements as well.
whelmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah about that unlimited clause, maybe not tell anybody when you find it, we wouldn't want to promote the wrong idea... then there's that pesky for everybody part we're going to need you to speak to HR about. I don't know if you're right for this company, but we must thank you for your tremendous contributions to our research. You heard about Wardenclyffe right?
I would suggest looking into Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactors. They would basically do everything fusion power is trying to do, and without fusion's containment issues.
Electricity lived up to the hype though, relative to the times.
Also your argument has no subtance. You have no reason why fusion is the same situation just "well people are saying similar things, so it's the exact same situation"
crnext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, my argument is this:
If there's money to capitalize, it will become monetized and ultimately monopolized all in the name of greed.
If fusion can make free energy, the energy conglomerates will find a way to prevent it from being free.
It can't make free energy, nobody said that, it can make unlimited energy. Unlimited means we would never run out of fuel, it doesn't mean it is free to produce nor that we have an unlimited amount at any one time.
crnext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice.
They edited their comment. Now I get to be an asshole again. Check the edit history.
I used to read:
Mastering artificial fusion - free energy for everybody.
Now it reads:
Mastering artificial fusion - basically "unlimited" energy for everybody.
alah123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Company would find some way to get rid of it or scare people about it.
I've got half a mind to think they would sabotage such efforts. You know they have found out how to make car engines that run off water alone? The guy who invented it mysteriously died shortly after revealing his invention.
GeckoGary ยท 15845 points ยท Posted at 13:44:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't exactly use the word entertaining but I certainly enjoy reading all the messages. I'm quite a depressed person anyway so the depressing ones are usually relatable but even jokey ones usually turn into a conversation. I never give out advice but I think it's just nice to know someone's listened.
DrJKirby ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 22:26:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great going, guy! Now you've gotten me pissed off.
I just looked at a petition about renaming the planet because of all the jokes, due to the messages here about it being renamed. They wanted to name it Reagan.
Yes, change the name of something based off of an important discovery in science (uranium) that suits the whole world to something that suits the U.S. Didn't get many signatures, but still.
You know that it's not named after uranium, right? It's named after the Greek god of the sky, Uranus. All the other planets, excluding Earth, are named after Roman gods, including Pluto. Mercury, the messenger of the gods. Venus, the goddess of love. Mars, the god of war. Jupiter, the chief deity. Saturn, the god of agriculture. Neptune, the god of the Sea. And Pluto, the god of the underworld.
Usually it's a swing and a miss but this time I got it
sra3fk ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 19:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the Nearest star to us (Alpha Centauri) is 4.22 light-years away, so fat chance that touching another solar system is possible in our lifetime. For reference, one light-year is 9.46 trillion kilometers- that means the distance between us and the nearest star is 39.92 trillion km. At current fastest speeds ever reached by mankind (achieved by the New Horizons spacecraft for a brief moment at launch) of 58,536 km/hr, it would take approximately 7,857 years to get to Alpha Centauri. So no, it is not currently possible or even conceivable to reach another solar system during our lifetime
I mean you may think itโs a long way down the road to the chemistโs, but thatโs just peanuts to space.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:22:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's that dealio with tiny probes propelled by lasers (you can see I've done the technical research) that could potentially travel at 20% of the speed of light, so 22 years to get there and 4ish years to send the data back - so that could happen in our lifetime as long as they don't take too long to do it.
sra3fk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another thought I had while researching this-
even if by some miracle we managed to reach Alpha Centauri, what would be the point of spending all that time, money, and energy to reach a star system probably without intelligent life? What are the odds that the nearest star system to us has intelligent life? Because lets be frank- we just want to find the little green men. I think if we really want to explore other star systems we should fund REALLY powerful telescopes more powerful than say the Hubble
Halew2 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 20:10:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt people born in the late 1800's thought they would witness the moon landing.
Dagon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:06:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weellll... except for that one scifi story in 1865 by Jules Verne about how they used explosives and specific metallurgy to fire a shell (with someone in it) to reach escape velocity and arrive at the moon. They even used small solid-propellant rockets to soften the landing once they got there.
I like your analogy, but by even the early 1800's we already had a pretty good idea at the immense power that chemical combustion would unlock. Though they thought it might be years away, it was at least considered possible enough that the book's setting took place in "present-day" 1865.
We knew roughly how much effort and how much material it would take to get to the moon.
By contrast, we ALSO know how much effort and material it would take to get to anotehr star system (using rockets) and we know that it's impossible for a multitude of reasons, both practical and economical.
sra3fk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no idea, the mod who did it left the 'reason' box empty and there was no discussion in modmail
pigi5 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was an act of terrorism. The mod tried to get upvotes in exchange for unbanning him, but didn't hit his goal. Only legends like /u/GeckoGary can play the karma game
Sulfate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like it may just be the most retarded thing in the entire history of retarded things.
Look at his post history. He posted threads saying if he got x amount of upvotes he'd post it again and double it. Got up to 65k+ last night. Apparently got banned from circle jerk and someone made an account similar to his name and tried to continue it. Didn't work and now it's all over. What could have been...
Edit: guess he got unbanned because he's back at it
He became so powerfull... The only thing he was afraid of was losing his power. Which eventually, off course, he did. Unfortunately he thaught the mods everything he knew. Then they banned him in his sleep. Ironic. The sub wanted everyone to be circlejerking, but not himself.
The micro starships which are powered from earth by a laser seem to be the only attempt which could work in our lifetime because of the distance and the speed needed. Nevertheless I'm with you.
The laser would have to be in space and would get two shots on the wafer sat. If it was in atmosphere we could have problems with refraction trying to hit something in space, or the wafer sat would accelerate so quickly the atmosphere would shred it apart.
Voyager 1 made it into the heliopause but she's only got 8 years of juice left so at this point the best we've got is groping the interstellar medium.
Fun fact is that Voyager 1 outran those launched before it. Seems like it was eager to gtfo of the solar system.
And the latest New Horizons will never run past the Voyagers unless it like falls into a wormhole that teleports it to a far away planet where it is made into the core of a giant spaceship now named Ne'Zon.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:37:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly not through a manned mission, but it may be possible to send probes to another stellar system within a human lifetime through light sails and lasers.
Your wish will, in all likelihood, not be fulfilled. Using known and near-future in development technology the journey to the nearest solar system would take many (centuries) years to reach the nearest solar system.
The furthest traveled spacecrafts, Voyagers 1 and 2, guess what star they'll be closest to in 1000 years? Our sun. How about 10,000 years? Still our sun. They could have been traveling since before the founding of Babylon and Ur and they'd still be nearest to our sun instead of any other star.
Consider, the new horizons spacecraft that just got done hurtling towards Pluto over 9 years. It would take something like 78,000 additional years to reach our nearest star, Alpha Centauri, if it was pointed in that direction. And that's assuming a constant speed which would allow us to just see the star and blast on by it. If you want to slow down and have a little visit the journey would have to be even longer for deceleration.
Even with some fantastic speed-of-light drive it'd still take several years to reach that star system. We have not effectively found any evidence that the speed of light speed limit can be broken by any known mechanism, only approached.
Barring some outrageously exciting breakthrough in reactionless drive systems and animation suspension we are effectively stuck in this solar system for all of time.
Thankfully, we are a thoughtful and careful species not prone to overindulge in excess energy or resources and have taken steps towards ensuring that our species will continue to exist for another 10,000 years.
kl0wny ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the story about him and the undertaker
I can help you accomplish this. I'm unable to perform the math to provide a proof or engineer the craft, but I can explain to you that 'time' is an illusion and that space is something tangible which can be compressed, enabling us to travel great distances by compressing space.
That'll be much more probably within the next 70-80 years..
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SpaceX Will do it before NASA for sure..I'm gonna hold on to 2020 for it too.
Elon is ambitious enough and tends to overengineer things. I can see it happening. I don't waste my time for the non commercial sector going behind the moon soon.
xpoc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to burst your bubble dude, but you may want to add ten years onto that estimate.
Getting people on Mars will be pretty cool at least, and we're pretty certain that'll happen in my lifetime, barring any unforeseen problems with either my health or space exploration in general.
Gregrox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see a picture of an exoplanet. Not some dinky little set of pixels, but like continents and craters and clouds and shit like that. Through gravity-lensing telescopes at the Sun's lens-point, or small starchips, or through the Starship Enterprise, I don't care.
its never going to happen untill you fucking sheep wake up
VLDT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a similar vein: Moonbase. Or Mars Base. I don't even really care if it's just robots setting up the infrastructure while I'm alive. I wanna see us take the step.
Yes I am so glad this is the number 1 comment. It has always been my dream to be on an exploration crew to the next solar system. I don't even care about the risk it is our nature to explore. It truly is the final frontier
Fsmv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break it to you, but it's not very likely. Thanks next closest solar system is 4.37 light years away. Voyager 1 will take around 70000 years to get there, and it's been going for a very long time.
Touching and colliding are two different things. Can we discuss the potential of Planet Nibiru and its legitimacy as a "solar system" encroaching on our own?
The two main stars are Alpha Centauri A and Alpha Centauri B, which form a binary pair. They are an average of 4.3 light-years from Earth. The third star is Proxima Centauri. It is about 4.22 light-years from Earth and is the closest star other than the sun. So, if we ever do figure out how to travel at the speed of light, which the theories of Relativity say we cant, then it would still take four and a half years. I do hate to burst your bubble bc I'm a huge fan of space travel,but human havent even gone to Mars yet.
There are a lot of people saying it isn't possible. but I wanted to tell you about this concept being researched. basically it's a wafer sat, think a single electronics board with a pretty big "sail" attached. they would shoot it with some mega watt class lasers and accelerate it to about 25% the speed of light. they would be cheap so we would shoot a bunch, and they would only take about 20 years to hit the closest star. they would be pretty limited in their capabilities because of the size available. but still really cool!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acidification and temperature rise, both are consequences of CO2.
FL14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went there and stayed at Mote Marine Lab for a week about 2 months ago! This great man showed us coral fragmentation and I got to do some myself that will one day make it out to the reefs! Really cool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:40 on September 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read an article years ago (possibly a decade ago now) about how the great barrier reef has over history grown and died back over and over again and that, at the time the article was written, was now the biggest it had ever been and another course of dieing back was expected to happen. I guess this course has been more extreme than anticipated due to rising water temperatures which has caused a great deal of panic.
My main concern here in Australia with rising global temperatures is more inland based. The crocs are moving south as their populations grow and the climate is supporting that. If we don't stem this issue we'll have crocs in our swimming pools soon!
Yeah from what I understand (and I'll admit that's very little), it's called bleaching, and it's an effect of global warming. They're losing all their color and life, and politicians would rather deny it's happening than actually make an effort to reverse it while there's still time.
Absolutely. I watched a documentary about it and they showed a lot of interviews with republicans and most of them just flat out denied it was happening and said things like "all science is bullshit" in a sense. I just said politicians because I know with most films like that they don't show the interviews that don't fit the message, so I don't know the actual ratios, if that makes sense.
It's close to 100% correlation being republican and denying climate change regardless of what evidence is provided because big oil lobbies pays/bribes them to take that position.
You hallucinated that part. Most right-leaning thinkers & politicians don't deny global warming or its human association; they instead disagree on what specific future policies should be enacted.
The carribean has undergone a 79% loss of coral reef diversity. Been working here for 6 weeks and its gut wrenching. While ive been here the barrier reef was declared 30% dead which is the whole top half.
Watch chasing corals on netflix. It will open your eyes.
Its not too late and change is happening and corals have come back from worse but they will never be the same. Some of my friends were working on a coral restoration project where they were attaching coral fragments to lines to encourage them to grow and recover
The carribean has undergone a 79% loss of coral reef diversity. Been working here for 6 weeks and its gut wrenching. While ive been here the barrier reef was declared 30% dead which is the whole top half.
Watch chasing corals on netflix. It will open your eyes.
Its not too late and change is happening and corals have come back from worse but they will never be the same. Some of my friends were working on a coral restoration project where they were attaching coral fragments to lines to encourage them to grow and recover
The Great Barrier Reef is mostly still alive, bud.
Large sections are bleached according to Nature, but they're still alive (bleaching โ death in corals), and the polyps may be recolonized by new zooxanthellae once the corallum and the mesoglea adapt to the new conditions, which only takes a few years.
Large sections of the Australian barrier reef are factually dead. I kayaked near an area of it that is now dead. Plenty of the reef died due to rising water temp. Quite different than the portions that are bleached. ..bud
You know that bleached corals are still alive, right? They can be recolonized by new zooxanthellae (often of a different species) once the corallum & polyps adapt to the new conditions, which only takes a few years.
The documentary Chasing Coral is about this problem of dying coral. Apparently the corals are dying because the oceans are getting warmer because of global warming. So if we want to reverse this, then we need to stop global warming.
Nope! Bleached corals are still alive! They've just expelled their colorful dinoflagellates, which happens when their environment changes enough to trigger their stress response.
Bleached corals can be recolonized by new zooxanthellae once the corallum & mesoglea adapt to the new/changing conditions, which only takes a few years. They effectively unbleach.
I feel like many climate change deniers have no idea how oceans work neither. An example on how complex and fragile the ocean is, well look at corals. An a home aquarium, coral reefs are complicated to care for, needing certain lights, a certain temperature, certain needs to be met, and so. If you dont meet those requirements, they die slowly and then bleach. Now picture that in the large scale. Not pretty. If only these people understood how fragile an ecosystem is.
fmfun ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 20:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While bleaching and killing corale, amongst many, many other things. The sea is most definitely not the infinite heatsink you're portraying it is.
The cheeky fuck edited in the climate denying nonsense after getting all his upvotes too. Gives it the appearance that everyone is upvoting it because of that
fmfun ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:12:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice, thanks for noticing! I knew something fucky was going on...
ZiggoCiP ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:43:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention coral bleaching being an event humans are in essence helpless to stop - we hit the 'going back' phase back when the Crown of Thorns star fish seemed like a threat.
Now our attention should be put on the deforestation of the Amazon, which I believe:
In 2016, deforestation of the Amazon rose by 29 per cent over the previous year, according to the government's satellite monitoring, the biggest jump since 2008.
Coral is fucking stupid it operates like 1-2ยฐc below its upper heat tolerance and once it reaches it, it's symbiotes start overworking poisoning it with fucking oxygen so it kicks them out which would be fine if they weren't responsible for 90% of it's fucking nutrition and for some strange reason coral refuses to partner with heat resistant algae as if it's fucking asking to die.
Water under 4ยฐC becomes less dense due to arranging itself in the crystalline lattice that is ice.
At this point it becomes less dense so then starts to float.
What human achievement do you want to see during your lifetime?
Fully mapped out ocean floor
Especially if you're a lazy millenial
Or evidently if you're thousands and thousands of oceanographers.
I'm a millennial who's not a huge fan of millennials myself, and I gotta say you're going a pretty bang up job of keeping up with some of the worst of my generation in the stupid department.
No, actually, it's a defense mechanism against negative experiences focusing on short term benefits to the ego while ignoring the long term negative effects.
It's a product of experience in the same way that PTSD is a product of traumatic experiences. It's not something to be proud of, it's a negative condition.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You overestimate the earth's balance. Its not that its going kill everything. Its that it's altering the balance in a way that is going to negatively affect civilization as we know it and expect it.
Would you rather have a stable stock market or a volatile one?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of our greatest inventions came from people lifted-up from poverty or out of impoverished nations. If it wasn't for various forms of charity over the centuries, we could very well still be living in the dark ages.
We should also care about the other species though, even from a humancentric perspective. Many of the medicines we find nowadays are extracted from other species, often times obscure ones, whether it be plant or animal. Knowing that, we're causing a mass extinction could greatly hinder our ability to fight disease or maintain stable environments for our own crop and husbandry.
Well no, it's not overblown. Yes the ocean can take in tremendous amounts of heat energy, but that's exactly what we're trying to stop. If the ocean's average temperatures increases by approximately 5 degrees Celsius, it will reach the boiling point for methane. At which point the methane bubbles up to the surface and becomes the newer, more dangerous CO2 for global warming. This is thought to be what triggered a mass extinction a while back that killed off 90 to 95 percent of all living things.
I'm no scientist, and I'm too lazy to do any math on this, but it seems to me that raising the temperature of the ocean 5 degrees would take about 47 countries polluting at China levels for about 1000 years. Like, that's an incredible increase.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's dangerous to say. Even tiny increases in temperature, due to global warming, are killing off some species as we speak. Others have mentioned all the coral that is dying in water that has been the exact same temperature for centuries, but now is warming rapidly.
According to some quick math and numbers I found on Google, the freezing point of water could get below -20ยฐC at the pressures found at the bottoms of the oceans.
Syphon8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realise that the ocean floor is covered in methane clathrates in many places, and the lower levels heating would sublimate that methane, and further accelerate climate change, right?
You realise that temperature/salinity differences in the oceans levels drive the global current, and disrupting those things could either shut down or irreperably alter it, fundamentally changing the world climate in a matter of years, right?
Climate change isn't overblown. You just don't know as much about the climate as you think you do--a common theme for people who say things like this.
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Syphon8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in many places
Learn to read.
Heat from GW would not be nearly enough to sublimate
This is literally already going on. Methane in the equatorial Pacific has started to thaw.
Heat exchange will (must) continue - that's the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Currents will always exist. ...and if Britain freezes and Canada thaws, then civilization will adjust.
You should look up the younger Dryas.
Please stop trying to spread information about climate change when you're so woefully misinformed.
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Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have the reading comprehension of a 4 year old.
They say that a feedback loop of heating from methane release is still hypothetical.... As it should be until the point of no return when all the methane is being released.
The fact that it's already bubbling up in the Pacific is not hypothetical, nor is the fact that it's thawing in Siberia.
Look dude, you clearly aren't a scientist and you clearly don't understand the shit you're arguing about. "It's still hypothetical" is a creationist level response to that article.
Quit while you're behind.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:00:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's already that cold down there, we should just freeze the ocean and lift it up with helicopters to make the mapping of the ocean floor easier. Might even find that Malaysian jet.
You're a fucking idiot. When we froze the ocean and lifted it, where do you think the Malaysian airliner is going to be, still on the former ocean floor? No! It's going to be in the ice.
No, just their actions and where they're putting their money and research. Their government is behind clean energy in exactly the way the government of the U.S. is not.
If they actually gave a shit they would stop burning coal like they do. Look up some documentaries or articles on the smog issues in china. They don't give a shit. It's just them trying to save face and get people to think they're actually doing something and to make others look bad. "Look at us we are so progressive and clean! But the US is so bad and dirty!" Bullshit, and they know it. They are as big as liars as Russia is and you are feeding right into it. Not one coal plant has been retrofitted to burn cleaner. If they actually cared they could of retrofitted nearly every plant by years end yet they haven't done shit.
Would they stop burning coal? Like the U.S. has? There is no such thing as clean coal. That's U.S. propaganda, as is the China-hate you seem to be espousing. China is not a perfect country, but the direction their energy sector is going is far superior to the U.S.
China is developing its energy sector faster than any country in the history of the world. They are also deploying more clean energy capacity faster than an other country. Their demand and supply have more than quadrupled in less than a decade and continues to grow that quickly. Of course they haven't shut down the coal plants. The U.S. hasn't shut its down either and the U.S. could do so much easier. China's smog is terrible: it is killing their people including the rich, the powerful, and the governors. They are heavily motivated and at this rate they will have cleaner air with three times the population in half the space compared to the U.S. in twenty years. The U.S. should be ashamed and motivated rather than irrationally disbelieving.
dezom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
of course they give a shit (they're living in the damn smog and looking at how they've been investing in renewable energy recently proves that) but it's not exactly a solution to just stop burning coal. the country is already dependent on coal and removing that energy source is impossible for them right now since it would probably completely shut down the entire place. reduced energy -> industry/food/water/infrastructure being dramatically affected.
DCJ3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though most of the extra heat goes into the oceans, the amount of extra heat that ends up in the atmosphere still has an effect on climate. Plus, the oceans aren't just warming, they are getting more acidic, leading to large-scale coral reef death and other ecosystem changes.
Meanwhile all of the animals and crops don't have the ability to absorb heat like that... and ice isn't very good at being above freezing temperatures. So...
Isn't the issue the polar caps melting and the sea level rising? Not the actual temperature of the water.. which still is an issue. The ocean only needs a ridiculously small percentile increase to effect the ecosystem. We are seeing this here in Australia, I wouldn't call it over blown - the Great Barrier Reef is dying
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:12:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The higher the temperature, the more water vapor in the air at any given time, and water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas. So warming has feedback effects that promote further warming.
Thats... not how any of this works. Global warming is a positive feedback loop. Higher temperatures result in the ice caps melting which reduces earths albedo and simultaneously releases a bunch of trapped greenhouse gasses in the ice and underground, meanwhile water in the oceans evaporates faster and the atmosphere ends up with more water vapor in it (very strong greenhouse gas), and warm water is less able to support dissolved gasses so CO2 in the oceans gets released and aquatic plant life dies off so less CO2 gets filtered out. Once slightly destabilized, it very rapidly moves away from equilibrium
DCJ3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's assuming climate is like a "bowl" with a local minimum on the temperature versus energy input graph. That's not the case. If anything, it seems to be linear in our regime (e.g. there is a linear relationship between cumulative carbon emissions an equilibrium temperature).
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DCJ3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Locally (in a mathematical sense) it can be. I'll try to find that graph so I can be more specific.
mlkybob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would this mean that global warming is overblow?
Yes, sure. But can the delicate and vital for our way of life, shallow surface currents say the same. Or can the same be said for the various glaciers and sheet ice who's melting drastically effects ecosystems and who's melt displaces vast quantities of warmer water. And surely it can't be said for the entirety of the atmosphere who's raising temperatures have seen unprecedented meteorological events impacting the lives of millions directly.
But of course none of this matters because the deep ocean can just absorb the heat magically without it impacting any of the complex environmental systems we rely on.
rwtwm1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're joking right? Have you heard of convection?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's that cold, (32-38 Freedom Degrees), why can't we just live there and then warm it up?
Well.. Animals that live near the surface need a certain temperature to live. Those make a lot of oxygen for us. But as they die, there is more co2 and that makes the water more acidic but then because it's acidic more organisms die.
Climate denier! The thought police would like a word.
ran0427 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While the ocean is a huge heat sync were talking about a change in the global average of 6ยฐ that would melt ice caps and Siberian peat bogs that would release massive amounts of methane and carbon dioxide causing even more of a temperature change. It is not over blown because all that ice would raise water levels so much that Orlando would have waterfront property and that's just the US, coastal islands in the Pacific would be completely underwater and everyone would have to move much further inland.
There is a reason scientists are freaked out about global climate change.
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ran0427 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're not talking a 100 year time frame, were talking a 50 or less year timeframe this is happening now and it's not just a matter of moving people, floods and tidal waves are likely, hurricanes and tropical storms much more frequently and at higher latitudes. We're talking hurricanes in England and annihilating floods at every coast, this planet will be very unsafe to live on
Ocean heat capacity is well accounted for in the models. And vertical heat transport through the water column is very slow. It is true that the oceans have enormous heat capacity - the vast majority of the excess energy that has already been absorbed by the planet is in them now - but that's already baked into the estimates you've seen.
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Syphon8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for also rebuffing this assclown.
Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you just post nothing but uninformed bullshit?
Syphon8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Average seafloor temperature is consistent globally. 0-3 c.
ln46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest issue with the global warming is that the ocean's ecosystem is threatened, starting with the death of coral, which is the backbone of all fish and life in the ocean. This is late but I find that no one seems to know the danger of a warming ocean.
Although bleaching can happen in the absence of heat stress, rising temperatures are a known cause of bleaching events, and scientists are tracking and predicting mass bleaching events based on ocean temperature (NOAA). The major bleaching events we are seeing globally are directly related to rising ocean temperatures due to climate change.
This 2017 study examined the heat influences of recent mass bleaching events on Torres Strait and the GBR: http://hdl.handle.net/2078.1/185674
Those are both good papers to start reading about temperature and coral reefs. I have recently been looking at the role of nitrogen fixation in other bleaching events, and would like to read more about other sources of bleaching. Please share!
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:56:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am sorry if you believed it was an argument. I was not presenting it as such, I was presenting facts that we know about bleaching.
Bleaching happens during times of high stress for corals. High heat is one of those high stresses. High heat events have increased dramatically recently, causing many mass bleaching events. It has become so severe that we can now track and record these events. We are watching the corals die.
Yes that's true but unfortunately water has a high specific heat capacity so it takes a long time for the heat to transfer to those depths. A good example is the difference in temperature between day and night for a humid vs dry climate.
V1per41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China isn't the one that needs to be convinced.
Also, the bottom of the ocean is 0-3 C simply from the pressure involved.
But the tiny shift in temperature in the ocean is way more detrimental than the same small shift on land. The ocean's ecosystem is just as important as the land's
Fortunately not true my friend :) . If it did all the ice would form at the Bottom of the ocean and stay there. Thankfully this doesn't happen otherwise we wouldn't be here! The bottom of all oceans around the world have temperatures of roughly 3/5c as this is the temperature where water is the most dense so it sinks :)
WEll, my post was more of the punny variety, but the bottom of the ocean is cooler than the surface. It's just a far slower decrease in temps below the thermocline.
The deeper you go, the cooler it gets - until about 3C.
Especially making it onto VR stage. People would dream again in new ways especially with the corals, and oceanlife damage that comes every day
_Giddy ยท 797 points ยท Posted at 15:51:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ocean is so scary when you think about. The creatures that have been found down there are so fascinating and just makes me wonder how many more are out there.
What makes it even worse is the fact that we know less than 15% of everything that lives down there. (That percentage could be wrong, last I checked it was 17% but that was a while ago).
when will people realize that diets are just big waste disposal trying to make things more lax on the job. which is why I petitioned for a government-wide anti laxative
You can model your unknowns by assessing the rate at which you are finding new things considering your current efforts and methods. You just have to match a statistical model to the current data by saying, "We are covering X% of the ocean per year and finding Y new species, assuming our studies fairly represent the total biodiversity, we will find Z new species for every 1% of ocean investigated."
They don't know, they're estimations. A lot of assumptions have to be made for this. There's a formula called the capture-recapture which estimates populations with proportions.
It's like when they say 17% of Americans have "x" disorder and 87% of those are not diagnosed. I'm like, how on earth do we know who has it if they haven't been diagnosed?
It's like when they say 17% of Americans have "x" disorder and 87% of those are not diagnosed.
Take a decent sized sample of people, screen for symptoms of "x", do differential diagnosis to confirm "x", then see what percentage of those people had been previously diagnosed with it. Some may have been diagnosed with "y" or "z", others not at all, still more wouldn't have even been to the doctor about their symptoms (or "x" may not present with symptoms).
Sure, but it's an extrapolation. A lot of things are worked out that way. A larger sample size decreases margin of error, but it's not "perfect". It isn't really feasible to screen an entire national population (with obvious exceptions like Liechtenstein), which would defeat the object of these medical adverts quoting that "87% of 17%" statistic anyway.
Statistical methods. Take 100 things from the ocean floor and figure out what percentage are not previously known to science, then put them back and do it again with another 100 somewhere else. Eventually you work out an average.
You can also predict the total number of species by the way in which the rate of new discoveries declines as you put effort in to finding them.
I'm picturing a scientist in a lab coat standing on a boat rocking out in the middle of the ocean somewhere dumping a bucket of random floppy slimy sea creatures overboard and being like "alright, got that set John, go scoop up another one" haha
The megaladon movie on shark week a few years back was total bullshit and absolutely ridiculous. They did cite this fact though. They said its totally plausible that it's never been caught on camera, or that it's somewhere insanely deep. Which kind of makes sense considering how little we know of the ocean. It's probably not true but it blew my mind thinking that maybe there's some crazy dinosaur shark lurking somewhere that we've never seen.
I would really love to hear more from a shark biologist or whatever about how this could be possible. Like you I highly doubt it, but it's a hell of a lot more plausible than like, a skunk ape in the Everglades or something. They would live, breed, die, and leave all the evidence of their existence miles and miles down where we would never find it.
There is an incredible amount of diverse life in every deep ocean environment. You might not see it as you fly by laying cable, but hang out in one spot for a few minutes and life finds you, especially if you bring some bait.
It is relative, but not ambiguous. The literature often uses such characterization:
The deep subseafloor biosphere refers to all the life underneath the ocean; not deep in the ocean or living on the bottom of the ocean, like fish, but many feet and even miles below that. In the past decade, researchers have discovered that these distant subseafloor environments contain a substantial amount of biomass, as measured by carbon content.
I'd be happy to share with you the current estimates for biological abundance in the deep ocean, and subsea biosphere if you are interested.
A day late and not the person you were replying to, but I would love to see that information! Don't go putting yourself out finding a ton of sources (I trust you if you were to quote statistics you know without citing official sources for every one) but even whatever your perceptions are off the top of your head would be super cool to hear! I've never considered SUBseafloor biomass before!
...global subseafloor sedimentary microbial abundance to be 2.9โ 1029 cells [corresponding to 4.1 petagram (Pg) C and โผ0.6% of Earthโs total living biomass].
That's just the microbes, not the benthic macro-organisms.
I have no knowledge of the subject but let me see if I can explain. I think /u/Wrathchilde is saying that you are in fact seeing the ocean floor but (maybe) the same spots or, since your laying cable, your company intentionally does so in less diverse areas of the ocean floor as not to interfere with the critters living down amongst the rest of the ocean floor.
So, see you're both right in a way, it seems.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's not exactly what I meant I just figured you probably had like a route figured out or something, but like I said I have no knowledge of any of that shit. I wouldn't assume you would route around anything unless you had to.
Syphon8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy isn't right about anything. He's bullshitting hard core.
Syphon8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah? You've stared at the millions of unimaged square km of ocean floor?
You should probably contact some oceanographers and share your wealth of information.
Idiot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Syphon8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You understand the ocean floor is not homogenous, right?
Bud, you are way out of your element. Quit while you're behind.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:44:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so dark and deep down there and sometimes you get the feeling the ocean is so angry with you, as you watch all those giant shadowy shapes shuffling past you, and you softly pray they won't see you as prey.
Your whole life seems to flash before you and then, as if coming from a billion miles away, you hear the voice of your Mom calling, "Lola . . .Lola . . . Lola" which is bizarre because your name is Keith.
It didn't occur to me that it would sound like I was saying watch today, my bad. I literally put it on my calendar so I assume other people will too. There are highlights on their Twitter and YouTube though!
Nautilus is great too, just be warned they're much louder than the Okeanos crew. I got a massive fright the first time they found a cool thing.
dagreja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An even scarier thing to think about is the fact that some of the ones we haven't discovered might be so freaky in a way that makes it hard to find. Possibly even things that survive off of things we couldn't even fathom before. Like the places we can't get to are hard to get to due to ridiculous environmental conditions, so anything is possible.
If you have ever played ARK: Survival Evolved, the ocean is a fucking nightmare. There are so many creatures that will kill you without a second glance, and it's basically impossible to get your stuff back if you die.
I think it really depends on what part of the field you want to get into. Are you interested in doing what I do-- geological research with these maps? Are you interested in just learning to run the equipment for a research or exploration vessel?
I work in academia, so the minimum for entry into the research side is pretty much set at a masters degree in some relevant subject (I have a phd). There is a LOT to learn.
If you'd like to work as a technician on academic research ships, I'm sure a BS or MS in something like acoustics, or an engineering field would be enough (one of my favorite techs-- who is a redditor actually --has a degree in Computer Science IIRC). In government/industry I think you would just need a BS in a STEM field. I have no industry experience though, so I'm not an authority by any stretch.
A way to get training on the equipment without dealing with university is the military. I once met a guy who was a sonar technician in the Navy, who was pretty knowledgeable on the technical side of this stuff. He is still in the military to my knowledge, but I imagine he could probably land a job with a mapping survey or exploration company, when he gets out, if there's openings.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:13 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh! Got it. Actually, check your university to see if they have any marine science lower division lectures-- they can be lots of fun and very informative!
Also, it's not a bad idea to run by the library or your school bookstore and pick up a general Oceanography text for just reading at your own pace and so you can get an overview of the various subfields of Oceanography: physical oceanography, geological oceanography (my field), biological oceanography, chemical oceanography-- the ocean basins are incredibly diverse and fascinating.
I will say that a CS degree will put you in a very good place no matter what you do. Good programmers are always wanted in the sciences-- especially in Oceanography.
If you can find a class on computational modeling (usually through the Physics department) or on scientific programming, I'd highly recommend it. Data analysis too. Those skills are highly valuable.
I have a CS background myself (I was a Comp. Eng. major initially before I switched to Geophysics). I actually partially put myself through undergrad by working as a contract programmer for various scientists in our marine science department. Lots of demand for cheap (my school has an upper limit on what you are allowed to pay undergrads for work) software developers in the sciences haha. Also made a shit ton of contacts that way which helped me get into grad school.
Best of luck! IMO you're setting yourself up to be in a really great position no matter what you decide to do.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:33:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's super cool! I'm an oceanography student (focusing chemistry) but I love watching and learning how benthic maps are made! I even have like three favorite sea mounts. Let me know if you need an intern :)
Ya we use multibeam echosounding techniques to make these relatively high-resolution (in some places 25 m/pixel) maps. I also use acoustic impulses to make 2D and 3D maps of density layers of rock beneath the seafloor (that's actually most of my job).
If you're in undergrad and get a chance to go on a marine geology research cruise, def jump on it. They are usually mapping cruises.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Local seamount: Davidson for sure. MBARI has done some great work there.
Far away seamount: Sedlo, which is more of a guyot but still oneof my favorites.
This past spring, I took a sampling techniques course and I was amazed by the complexity of acoustic sounding. That sounds like a really fun job. I have always really enjoyed geology but I'm just good at chemistry; hopefully I can find a balance between the two in grad school.
Very cool! I'm using MBARI imagery off the southern California coast atm for a project I'm working on. Great data sets for sure.
For me, I'd have to say my favorite far-field seamount is probably Tchaikovsky Seamount in the Musicians group. It's about 990 km NW of Honolulu and about 3.5 km from the seafloor to the tip. If it existed on younger oceanic crust at that height it would likely be subaerial. The whole Musicians group is interesting IMHO.
I have a special connection to Tchaikovsky-- I did a presentation on flexural loading of the crust for a class in my first year of grad school. I fit a 3D gaussian object and modeled the flexural loading of the object to try to simulate the plate deformation around Tchaikovsky. It wasn't perfect, but I got an A lol.
For local seamounts... at the risk of doxxing myself-- there's a lot of really fascinating bathymetry in the Inner California Borderlands off the coast of southern California. One of my favorites is Lasuen Knoll, about 25 km south of Huntington Beach, which is a compressional structure caused by faults in the area. About 30 km south of Lasuen Knoll is another unnamed bathymetric feature that is bisected and offset by a rather large fault. I've taken to calling it the "Camel Toe" in private company, but I doubt that name will fly with the scientific community haha.
There is a balance between the two in Geochemistry! I always envied geochemists-- they generally go to pretty cool locations (e.g. random remote Pacific Islands). They depend greatly on undersea maps to show tectonic processes in play that explain a certain rock chemistry.
FL14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you in school? I'm an Oceanography student too!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humboldt State University in Northern CA. :)
FL14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome. University of Washington here!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey that's awesome! Been looking at the grad program there!
I also think it would help in some ways with resource extraction, but I'm not an expert in that field.
We do already have some pretty dope maps of the ocean floor taken by satellites measuring gravity perturbations. The only problem is that the resolution is on the order of kilometers and sometimes features are misrepresented due to artifacts in processing, etc.
The higher resolution maps that get made using echosounding are fantastic in that they can resolve a lot of questionable features, but unfortunately the field of view is narrow necessarily and expensive (can be in the tens of thousands of dollars per day depending on the ship) so it will take a very long time at a very high cost to really map the ocean floor.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my lecturers at university got commissioned by the government to create an updated map of a section of the ocean floor off the southern Australian coast. The last time that area was mapped was way back in the 1860s.
Googles already on it I'm sure with some cool submarine, and bing has a dude snorkeling around with an etch-a-sketch
rytis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:41:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a submersible self driving Google car taking pics every 10 meters. Then we can get traffic patterns for blue fin tuna, turtles, humpback whales, nuclear subs, etc.
Coincidentally, the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (you may remember the few weeks in which nothing else was on the news except its disappearance) led to detailed mapping of 46,000 square miles of the Indian Ocean. Shipwrecks, volcanoes, underwater landslides, and deep trenches were some of the features discovered.
Damnit. Came here to say this. I think studying other planets/heavenly bodies is important, but FFS there's still an enormous amount of the ocean yet to be seen by human eyes.
As a oceanographer I can tell you this is nearly impossible. Hundred ships for a hundred years type thing. Also what resolution? The finer the longer it will take. Its all that damn water.
The coastline of the world has been digitized since the first Landsat days. Of course the coastline moves daily. As for has the entire underwater coast been mapped? Even the United States has areas that have never been mapped with any kind of instrument. Now these areas are usually remote (and in Alaska) but some areas have never been surveyed with any technology. Then there are tons of regions that have data from before WWII where hydrographers measured the seabed using lead lines (sonar wasn't in use until after WWII pretty much). Here is a post on the vintage of Alaskan surveys. Look closely there area areas that report no vintage (never been surveyed). Then look at the areas with pre 1940 data, those areas were dudes with a sextant, a bar of lead, and a rope.
Hey thanks this is interesting. Those very small green dots at the top seem strange considering the other areas are larger area. That's because of Ice I guess?
The resolution is the question. We've certainly mapped all the oceans at some minimum resolution and will always be able to do better.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only mapped out, but easily accessible to students. I am an oceanography student and we work with global data to try and approximate trends in the ocean, but we are really dealing with transects that we think apply to the whole ocean. This leads to a lot of assumptions and unpredictability.
Sounds like my job... but with rocks instead. Cross sections every damn day.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rocks! Geology is a love of mine, I'm not very good at it, but I like it. My great grandmother was one of the first female geologists in Arizona and I recently found her collection of trilobite fossils. Girls who like rocks are cool! Even if we are a little crazy.
But think about it, while it might sound boring, compared to lasers or space, or less important than curing cancer. It's our planet, the only planet that we know for sure that supports life. The ocean floor has points that are vastly deeper than the highest point on the planet.
There are jelly fish that never truly die, squids that handle pressure greater than any ship we've ever built.
Some of the responses I've gotten have talked about learning about deep rocks abc how our planet was formed, seeing volcanoes, and discovering life.
There's a lot to learn about our oceans still, and mapping it out will be an important piece to understanding what's there.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised just how important it would be. The umbrella effect would be enormous from medicine to business and further.
the ocean is one of those weird things. once you get a few miles off the coast, the average depth is SO fucking deep, that it's hard to even really understand.
This should honestly be the top comment next to fully renewable energy. We know more about the Moon than the ocean floor. We've only explored like 10% of the ocean? Just imagine what other creatures and formations are down there
Most don't realise that the ocean is not just a dump for our waste but the major part of our planet even being more responsible for cleaning our air than rainforests. But hey, let's all spend a few more billion mapping a dead planet we're never going to live on!
Geologists are interested in those maps because it helps give us an idea of sedimentation processes and landscape evolution here on earth. That research helps us have some idea of what was happening in the past, what is happening now, and could/will happen to the planet in the future. The advantage is that it's cheaper to map those planets than the sea floor, it's easier to see what's going on due to the 100% outcrop exposure, and it's undeveloped. (Vegetation and human impact make studying landscapes very challenging here.)
There are a LOT of post doc geoscientists working in top level research institutions that do work in planetary studies in addition to applications here on earth.
I worked in academic research years ago and in fact worked with some researchers on these topics. Mostly they are full of shit. There is a reason why it is increasingly difficult to recreate the results we read about in sexy science papers (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3917235/ etc.). The reason being that their results are either lies or flukes with no real correlation.
I myself when conducting my Masters which partly consisted of recreating the results of another paper, was not only able to only partially recreate these prior results, but found that the results from the original paper (from a major Australian research institute) were extremely flawed and were obviously false positives.
My point is that as a society we have limited time and money for research and there is a lot more money for sexy headline making research that is not actually practically useful or in fact likely to be genuine, than boring but practical and useful research. Everyone loves talking about Mars and looking at Mars pictures and sucking Elon Musk's dick. However Mars is smaller than Earth and has significantly lower gravity, it has no magnetic field, it has either always been dead or has been dead for perhaps millions of years if not greatly more. It is barely comparable to Earth and we are NEVER going to live there.
I understand people want to do cool science that they can talk about at parties (I have worked with these people), but it is a waste of our limited time and money. As our environment dies and we run out of time we need to focus on Earth, not a dead planet.
For my part I now work in private industry where we actually try to help people instead of working on nonsense pipe-dreams. If I do my Phd some day, it will be focused on practical research not sci-fi nonsense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which makes the pernicious efforts by some people who must-not-be-named to kill NASA's earth sciences budget are f'ing criminal (figuratively).
Studying the climate of "dead" planets does provide a good counterpoint to how our own may go wrong, but I take it you'd say the cost to benefit is much lower?
But Mars didn't die because of human industry and wastefulness. It died because it exploded it's insides out onto its surface, lost its magnetic field and was then subsequently ravaged by solar radiation. How the fuck is studying that going to save Earth?
I'm not saying don't study it, I'm saying maybe let's stop this shit of it being everybody's favourite science project that we all want to throw as much money at as possible when we don't even know everything that's under our oceans' surface. I understand that people love fame and fads and celebrity, but that doesn't make good science. Elon Musk needs to be famous to sell his cars etc so he talks about Mars and internet nerds go crazy. He talks about Mars because, for example, talking about mapping the ocean floor would make people switch off.
I'm so sorry for caring about Earth rather than Mars. I mean we could never possibly learn about environmental damage by maybe studying deserts or something could we? Maybe? Nah, you're right, let's focus on Mars.
This also reminds me of the space junk problem. Everyone loves talking about putting more shit in orbit, but no one wants to talk about cleaning our orbit up so all the crap up there doesn't destroy the satellites we already have.
"Sexy science" rhetoric is great and all, but most science is not that sexy... even when you actually read the studies behind those headlines.
Your findings on the false positives in your research is exactly why we do what we do as scientists. We build a body of work and test a hypothesis until we have sufficient evidence to accept or reject it. Surely they taught you this in grad school?
Let me ask you a question, have you ever worked in the private science industry? Academia is a playground for people who like the eternal college life.
I am not talking about false positives that are accidentally reported, I am talking about straight up lies. Things that only a fool or a liar would report if they expected them to be taken seriously by anyone willing to do real analysis of their results.
But of course academia does not require you to actually provide real evidence for your findings, just a nicely written paper with some good graphs that will look well on the list of publications of its "authors". And of course it's publish or perish so don't even think about working on boring science and don't even think about reporting negative results.
The difference between an academic lab and a private lab where there are actual stakes (both people's health and financial stakes) are enormous.
I have little respect for academia, it's a profession for show horses and I would never go back after leaving it years ago.
No, I've not worked in the private science industry as a researcher. Perhaps that's your problem right there? It's a lot easier to be paid to produce results in that industry, rather than test a theory.
I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say you don't need real evidence or that you can't report negative results... I haven't had these experiences at all. Quite the contrary. I've always been required to prove my results with numbers and I've seen lots of people report negative results. I have myself.
Not bitter, just justified cynical. Science funding is poor enough as it is. Wasting it on cool stuff is saddening.
You say you have to prove your results with numbers. Do they come from the audit trail of a validated system? Or are you just writing them down in a report and saying "this is what I got, honest." Academia typically does not use accredited labs, it does not use locked hardware or software that provide locked audit trails and despite what you may have experienced there is little room for negative results in academia. And why does there need to be? There are no stakes. Throw out your bad results and report the good ones and you get a paper published and what's the harm done? If a private company did that they could end up killing somebody.
I feel your unwillingness to appreciate my point is the same as the funding/interest etc in research into mega-flora and mega-fauna. Everyone wants to pour money into saving big pretty animals and big pretty plants but ignores the ugly or small ones, forgetting that they are often far more important. For example algae (including algae in the sea) are far more important for recycling the Earth's air than trees, but just try and get a politician or a rock star interested in saving the algae as opposed to saving the rainforest.
My point is that I understand that for a lot of people that cool, sexy science like going to space etc is very appealing, but it is a waste of our limited time and money.
When we're living on a dead Earth in 100 years time, how comforting will those awesome maps of Mars really be?
Say what you want, but I've been pouring theough scientific literature forty hours a week for the last three weeks. I've seen a LOT of negative results. I've also seen a ton of samples being sent to labs, both internally and externally. Guess what? All accredited.
My unwillingness to appreciate your point has nothing to do with interest-- it's because you're dead wrong.
Also, 100 years to planetary extinction? That's... exaggerated.
apw00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a Google maps for the ocean floor! Like one that allows you to not only look at different latitude/longitude, but also elevation/depth so you can explore underwater mountain ranges and volcanoes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! I want this so bad. We have gone to the moon and have been mapping out mars, but we have no idea what is in our own ocean. We think there is nothing worth finding to advance us, but that doesn't mean there isn't.
We could even discover an underwater utopia that we can build on and have our first underwater colonies.
This was the first thing i thought of when i read this question. Its amazing to think we know more about space than our own ocean. Theres got to be infinite things to find and learn about out there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Potentially devastating to marine life. Doesn't the mapping use explosives which wipes out krill and what not?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, not exactly. Most mapping uses a sonar that "booms" (for lack of a better word) down to the sea floor and that boom resonates off the floor and back to the boat. How long and how fast that boom travels from the boat, to the floor, and back to the boat is how the mappers determine depth, and also any other things in the ocean like wrecks. There is still research needed to be done on how bad these booms wreck havoc on marine life, but so far the evidence is that that basic sonar that cartographers use doesn't do much damage.
Now, the big oil rigs and resource excavators....these guys really do use huge super sonic booms as they are trying to not just map the sea floor, but also penetrate it to find oil and gas. These booms have been shown to really interfere with whale songs during their migrations, and also dolphin echolocation. However, not enough research has been on smaller organisms like plankton.
Dude, if they made a version of NASA whose mission it was to explore Earthโs oceans Iโd anxiously await anything they find. I feel like everybody is so concerned with the vastness of space, but not the vastness of our own planet.
Reluks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it crazy that we have a detailed map of the entire surface of mars and yet we haven't fully mapped our own planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes definitely! It is amazing when you hear how comparitively little we know about the vastness of our own oceans. It sparks such an interesting parallel thought, that one can be blown away by the vastness of space, but also by the vastness of our own oceans, despite rather a big size difference!
Yes it will... it has huge implications for exploration. Oil companies fund things like this. We already have a complete map with 5km resolution... we have higher resolution in smaller study areas.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because were trying to use light to see instead of trying to develop some sort of underwater night vision.
herb_tea ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like sonar? The resolution is limited. It's not going to get much better than it is. And it's not due to lack of trying. The military has thrown more money than you can imagine into increasing the resolution of under water imaging technology. We have hit the limits of the physics. There is no such thing as underwater night vision.
No not like sonar. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that how we could map the oceans currently? And there's no such thing yet. Anythongs possible right? Just because we haven't figured out how to do it yet doesn't mean its impossible. Who knows where tech will be at 30 years from now.
Sonar works better if you're closer. They've mapped about 10-15% in greater detail, last time I read. This was with using deep underwater submarine drones with sonar.
The definition usually uses the 100m2 resolution standard. Still very course, but about the state of the art for surface ship based multi-beam sonar in deep water.
I have no idea. I can't explain why some of the stuff I post gets upvoted either. I once got gold and 5k upvotes for what I thought was a very mediocre joke. I think people just don't understand you can't really explore the ocean floor in the conventional sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many of the existing references make large assumptions about the ocean floor from data that is from a few, distant transects. The scale of the ocean is just so large and hard to get to physically, that detailed maps of the ocean floor are expensive and time consuming to make. Good question though!
Searched two years for it with all sorts of tech, AUVs and towed sensors. Will lead to the largest dump of bathymetry data ever. In the end they stopped the search because they never found it. They just released a smaller 2Tb dataset last month.
eceuiuc ยท 19195 points ยท Posted at 12:59:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the amount of time, effort, and money spent on researching fusion power, I'd like to eventually see a sustainable (and commercially viable) fusion reactor.
There has been a lot of time but not money. Fusion has been vastly under funded for years, and budget outlook for coming years don't look promising (at least here in the US).
chykin ยท 2192 points ยท Posted at 14:30:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The JET project in the UK is currently doing nuclear fusion for small amounts of time, but it's extremely unstable. If they keep funding it hopefully it will be a reality
ITER might produce net energy. I still think the stellarator is a way better design. Kinda sad that people thought it was unbuildable and this didn't invest in it for such a long time.
When you have a mainstream idea and you want to present an alternative you look at the ways the mainstream idea is weak or insufficient and offer an alternative that shores up those weaknesses. The strength of the Stellarator is that the lack of the plasma current to produce the poloidal field reduces some instabilities seen in tokamaks. Despite me summarising this in one sentence it is a significant advantage. Instabilities are a huge problem and many of the MHD stabilities are directly tied to the presence of the plasma current.
However, stellarators have enhanced transport loss (which is extremely bad for fusion) due to the stronger variation in magnetic field seen by a particle on a closed flux surface.
They have reduced magnetic fields and as such, reduced interior pressure. This is because the magnets themselves must maintain their twisted shape under their own field putting limits structurally on the maximum magnetic field they can support. Gives the W7X a field of 3T versus ITER of 11.8T (and pressure is squared so factor of 16 worse). This is a huge reduction in fusion rate and thus alpha power.
Stellerators give up significant avenues for plasma heating with the removal of the Ohmic portion of the heating. This forces larger NBI devices which comes with it's own problems. Although admittedly this is a problem that future tokamaks will have to solve to due to the necessarily pulsed nature of the ohmic current drive.
Basically it is a bit of a mixed bag, I'd like to see them continue to develop in tandem. We know so comparatively little about stellarator operation that we still don't really know what problems they will have. They may very well be the best possible MCF design 100 years from now but for now, they are an extremely juvenile technology that people pushing for fusion can't wait to catch up.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:10:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was the most fun I've had not understanding a comment in a long time. Thanks! :D
Main disadvantage is that you'll have to regularly pulse a tokamak, so essentially turn it off and on again, while you can keep a stellarator running. To compensate for tokamak pulsing we'll need massive energy storage.
Isn't true, the fact that Ohmic heating is pulsed is not the sole reason why tokamaks are pulsed. By far the main advantage of stellarators is the reduction in MHD instabilities due to the removal of the plasma current. If we can fix the growth of these instabilities in other ways then they are no more inherently pulsed than stellarators. In fact, the increased neoclassical transport in stellarators may make steady state operation difficult.
ITER will be able to provide Ohmic heating for ~400s, this is a huge pulse length, by ramping up and down magnetic fields in individual modules in a specific pattern which allows it to maintain a huge 15MA plasma current. The limitation on pulse length is more down to the confinement time, the growth of instabilities and growing amount of impurities in the plasma than running out of heating. In all the hope is 1000s pulses will be achievable.
Indeed, it is the hope that we can one day reach Q=infinite, i.e. a scenario where once a critical temperature is reached the machine can sustain the reactions under only the alpha power, with no external heating.
The bottom line is that the removal of the plasma current comes with the disadvantage of the loss of Ohmic heating. Since Tokamaks and Stellarators both have access to NBI and cyclotron heating (indeed NBI is by far the bulk of the heating in future tokamaks) except stellarators do not have access to Ohmic heating, the total amount of power you can apply to a stellarator plasma is lower. This can make ignition harder to achieve; it is often a case of dumping as much energy as possible into the centre of your plasma to reach fusion temperatures which then provides alpha heating before radiative losses dominate. Removing an entire avenue of heating makes this harder.
Its kind of a problem when you need a decade or more to build reactor, while computation power rises exponentially. By the time you finish one reactor your simulation are telling you there likely is better structure...
Honestly I think the thing that had held fusion back the most had been the advent (or lack thereof) of quality superconductors for use as electromagnets
The thing is that similar versions are small versions and from what I know smaller reactions might be much harder to keep going than big one. So they are not really comparable...
On the other hand chinese are going strongly as far as I know
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are setting up for their main tritium runs this/next year but then most research will move to ITER. Things might slow down a little with Brexit though :(
chykin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:47:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Things might slow down a little with Brexit though :(
Unfortunately hardly anyone even knows JET exists, which is why they think EU money is "wasted"
g0_west ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk why remain didn't just list all the projects the EU are working on to show where the money is going. There's a popular park near me with a small placard saying "this park built with EU funds". Make that shit a huge banner lol not a tiny plaque nobody will see.
Because the easy response to that is "with our ยฃ350m per week". And it's technically true; EU money coming into the UK adds up to less than UK money going into the EU. That's the nature of being a net contributor.
JET currently holds the world record for the longest sustained fusion pulse (~6s) and best efficiency (~67%). Another campaign is planned from 2018-2020 which will run using Deuterium and Tritium in the hopes of beating those records. The only part of JET which is unstable at the moment is future funding (post 2020) due to Brexit and the significant cost to countries associated with building the next generation fusion reactor ITER, which lays the path towards viable nuclear fusion power plants (DEMO.)
JET has been founded by year for 10 years. That is why there are a lot of things that hasn't been repaired properly.
Besides the end of the machine being near, Brexit is a killing blow. JET was financed by the EU (Join European Torus). The UK pays for MAST Upgrade, which is an spherical tokamak, but smaller.
There is a big plant being built in the south of France for fusion and its very promising but will take ten years to build. Biggest fusion project ever https://www.iter.org/
Doing fusion is easy. We've been doing it for decades. The hard part is getting net energy out of it. Right now they take more energy to power than they create.
Those are related. The longer it is self sustaining, the more energy you can harvest from it before having to put energy in again (I'm oversimplifying somewhat as some designs are not pulsed, but the premise of needing less input energy is the same).
The French are currently building an International Fusion Reactor for a bunch of countries to contribute to in an effort to uncover a way to make Fusion Power viable. (I.E. generating more energy than it takes to start the reaction)
Hansj3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You Know, if all the money that was being used for individual fusion programs was combined into a single program, even if it was just the us and England, the progress would be amazing
Actually I went to JET and they were talking about a project in the south of France called ITER which should produce 2x the energy that it uses, due to its bigger size. They aim to build this by 2020 and is run by 8 of the world leaders (US, UK, France, China, Russia, South Korea, Japan, Germany?). So, by 2050, they say that most of the 1st world countries should have fully sustainable fusion energy
Have they yet to get more energy out of it than they put into it? Also, given that the pressures they can use don't come anywhere close to what is in the sun, they have to use ridiculous temperatures. One of the big problems with this, from my limited understanding, is that this breaks down the components of the device fairly quickly, making a sustained reaction just not doable with current technology.
Our best hope is the EU with the German's wendelstien reactor currently running experiments and holding the record for longest sustained plasma and the new reactor currently being built in France.
Making fusion isn't hard. You can make fusion by clapping your hands.
ITER will work, they just need to fund the bloody thing rather than looking for excuses to spend less on other "more promising" projects. Stellarators are probably a better design but most of the concerns are in material science rather than 100% most efficient field structure. Those can be tested in the test bed we already have which is ITER before being adopted into better designs (should they prove better).
No because that's not how it works. Assuming they were dumb as fuck, they could create a hydrogen bomb by accident. That's the worst case scenario and is completely impossible with all designs tested as they lack a fission bomb to sufficiently compress the material
They will figure it out. I'm pretty sure some unpaid intern will wake up in the middle of the night and realize that all they needed to do was reverse the polarity.
kenlane ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:50:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is largely because it is seen as a novelty and a pipe dream. Fusion works great in the sun, because it is massive and has a gravitational force that can create fusion. Here on earth, creating a system where hydrogen is able to readily do that requires a lot of energy and it's not clear if you can do it on a scale that breaks even or even becomes cost effective.
Meanwhile, nuclear fission has been 'breaking even' for half a century and is also not well funded anymore. The why here is entirely politics, nobody wants a reactor near them because everyone thinks nuclear inherently is bad. It's not, and if we kept building reactors safety would have progressed with the rest of the technology.
It's a damn shame, we could have been energy independent back in '90 if we were fully willing to commit to nuclear and end subsidies to oil.
AGPro69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:07:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fission produces literal tons of radioactive waste. Fusion does not.
Tons sounds like a lot if you don't know the dimensions of a ton of water, cement, gold, uranium, etc. A short ton of water is less than one meter square.
kenlane ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the point, radioactive waste can be managed. The fact that in the 1950s and 70s we didn't have a plan to manage isotopes with half life equal to the age of the universe does not make fission inherently unsafe.
It also, by definition has to produce less waste then input reactant. If you recycle out the useful reactant after the concentration gets below some threshold where the reactor is not able to use it you can drastically cut down waste.
Fusion produces a lot of radioactive waste as well. Not as much as fission, but the waste it produces is more radioactive. The neutron bombardment that emanates from the core irradiates all of the surrounding materials and damages them so that they need to be periodically replaced.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of that waste is components that have come into contact with used fuel, not the actual fuel itself. Therefore, it is possible to develop ways to drastically cut down on the waste produced by each plant, simply by a bit of reengineering the process of waste management.
Read an article today about dutch researchers creating a possible solution for a sustaining wall that could hold the high temperatures that are released during the process and making it possible in 2050 or something
Natural gas is the fossil fuel of choice for electricity generation. It's still absolutely a necessary part of any large network incorporating renewable energy, the only practical way to fill in the gaps.
Sealith ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:32:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first company to create fusion systems will rake in more money than most companies can even dream of. If it delivers way more power than oil and is totally clean then everyone that can utilize it will use it.
This brings up something I thought about a few weeks ago while reading a news story on fusion. Why isn't a big company (GE?) or a consortium of big companies funding their own research into fusion? It seems to me that, as you stated, the first company to create viable fusion will become insanely profitable and successful. Why are we relying on governments and/or grants to fund the research?
Because big companies are controlled by their shareholders, who want profits now, not in twenty years. That's part of the reason companies like Amazon or SpaceX have done so well, because they have the flexibility to invest in future profits.
bbeep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because fusion will not be profitable within 5 years as of now.
Major publicly traded companies are often short-sighted in their goals. This is large part because a project like this, which would require a substantial financial investment, and could take decades to pan out, or never pan out all, does nothing for any of the shareholders' bottom lines, at least in a short enough timespan to satisfy the average investor.
Also there is the potential that it's just not feasible in any of our lifespans. As someone below pointed out, building a profitable fusion reactor not only requires that you build something that has a net positive output, but that that output be actually meaningful enough to sell the electricity. And then from there you need to recoup all the development cost, the material cost of building the damn thing, and then the overhead of maintaining it, and only after all that do you have a profitable venture. That's a big ask for someone trying to run a business to invest money in a project they might not live to see come to fruition.
AGPro69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lockheed is supposedly R&Ding for a fusion device.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The timeline before fusion can be commercialized is not 5 or 10 or even 20 years, but more like 50 years or more. No one knows how much money it will cost, except that it's a lot (billions and billions in R&D). The government can take the risk of funding that kind of research, that's sort of how LIGO and gravitional waves worked out, lots of $$ over a long time and fusion promises to be more money and more time. Most companies simply can't afford to pour billions of dollars over a 50 year timespan for something that may or may not work out for them (the company could easily fail in that span, or the mechanisms of fusion they pursue aren't the right ones to be looking at, etc), and for the few companies that can the risk/reward decision process for the current people in charge doesn't make sense. It makes much more sense from a company's perspective to let academia/government do the heavy lifting for the time being and start pouring money in 20/30+ years down the line when we have a better sense of what methods will be viable/feasible etc.
I do like the idea of a consortium of big companies funding their own research into fusion, but I somehow doubt you'll be able to get all those companies to work together on something like this.
Why are we relying on governments and/or grants to fund the research?
because government institutions have always funded the vast majority of basic research? and corporations don't like spending money when they payoff is in the very distant future, which may never come?
Meh... that's debatable. Sustainable does not equal profitable. Early on, it will be hugely expensive to build and maintain these things. So the number of companies (realistically, governments) able to capitalize on it will be quite small. And the reactor's lifetime might be limited. I bet the first commercial fusion reactor will barely make a profit or perhaps even a sizable loss. Especially if the price of energy is driven down due to competing alternatives (cheap solar, newly found fossil fuel reserves, fossil fuel producing countries opening the flood gates to be able to compete, etc.). As with all new technologies, it will take a while for the price to come down. Once that happens, yes, it will be a huge economic boon. A game-changer, really.
They'll need to be heavily regulated. The capitalist thing to do would be to sell energy just barely cheaper than anyone else and run them out of business, then raise the price as high as they can.
Yes. Many complex geopolitical reasons, ranging from US support of Israel, fallout from conflicts over the past 200 years, the ongoing battle between Sunni and Shia Muslims, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, and yes, oil.
We are active pretty much around the world, you do understand that right? And you do also understand that we've never taken over an oil field before and have spent more on the wars in the Middle East than we could ever recoup over that same period of time, even if we had straight run the oil fields of Iraq (which we haven't).
We are active pretty much around the world, you do understand that right?
sure. ..and what's the disparity in where US resources are spent? How many other regions have had a 17 year long war with the US?
And you do also understand that we've never taken over an oil field before and have spent more on the wars in the Middle East than we could ever recoup over that same period of time, even if we had straight run the oil fields of Iraq (which we haven't).
Pretty sure I wasn't trying to claim that the Iraq War was a smart idea.
At the time, the people in the administration said that it would "pay for itself". Where do you think they thought that money would come from? If you think the war in Iraq was fought for humanitarian reasons, why has the US not done that anywhere else? If that was the reason for it, why did the US support Hussein when he was gassing the Kurds?
..I'm not gonna re-litigate the reasons for the Iraq War, but if you don't think oil was a major reason for it, you are naive as all hell.
sure. ..and what's the disparity in where US resources are spent?
over how long a period are we talking here?
How many other regions have had a 17 year long war with the US?
There was a very long cold war with the Soviets if you've forgotten that. War is fought quite a bit differently than it was 50 years ago, too.
At the time, the people in the administration said that it would "pay for itself".
no they didn't.
Where do you think they thought that money would come from?
Tax payers
If you think the war in Iraq was fought for humanitarian reasons, why has the US not done that anywhere else?
It was fought because we were attacked on 9/11 and believed Iraq and Afghanistan to be the places where Al Qaeda was operating out of. We were right about one, wrong about the other.
If that was the reason for it, why did the US support Hussein when he was gassing the Kurds?
Because we've historically supported secular dictators in order to stabilize the region and keep free trade humming along nicely, as well as protecting Israel from the blowback if the region were to fall into chaos. Also, we were heavily invested in fighting communism. It's nuanced and complicated; have you done any reading about it?
..I'm not gonna re-litigate the reasons for the Iraq War, but if you don't think oil was a major reason for it, you are naive as all hell.
Oil was not a major reason for it. It's the standard BS leftist conspiracy theory that would only make sense if we were actually imperialistic and seized the land and assets of the countries we invade. Instead, we helped them establish a democratic government and spent trillions on trying to help them stabilize their country.
There was a very long cold war with the Soviets if you've forgotten that. War is fought quite a bit differently than it was 50 years ago, too.
The "cold war" was not an actual war. You can tell this because no one actually went to war for it.
It was fought because we were attacked on 9/11 and believed Iraq and Afghanistan to be the places where Al Qaeda was operating out of. We were right about one, wrong about the other.
lol no it wasn't. Iraq was attacked for their possible weapons of mass destruction. Bush claimed that in a post-911 environment we shouldn't allow "rogue" states to have weapons of mass destruction. Did you not pay attention at all during the run up??
Tax payers
That's not what many administration officials said on the record. They claimed that Iraq would pay for the war itself once we took down Hussein. But don't just believe me:
Because we've historically supported secular dictators in order to stabilize the region and keep free trade humming along nicely, as well as protecting Israel from the blowback if the region were to fall into chaos. Also, we were heavily invested in fighting communism. It's nuanced and complicated; have you done any reading about it?
Yes, plenty. The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with humanitarian reasons. I'm glad we agree.
Oil was not a major reason for it. It's the standard BS leftist conspiracy theory that would only make sense if we were actually imperialistic and seized the land and assets of the countries we invade. Instead, we helped them establish a democratic government and spent trillions on trying to help them stabilize their country.
What a stupid response, ignoring all context and history.
It would only make sense if we seized the assets? Well, we don't have a nationalized oil company, so we wouldn't do that would we? But what did we do? We took all their oil from their nationalized oil company and gave it to private companies to sell.
We didn't seize the land? Really? Who was that then with the tanks pulling down monuments in the middle of Baghdad? Who was that who dictated the new structure of the Iraqi government? Who was that who patrolled the streets? Oh, we didn't put our name on it and make them raise our flag? I guess installing their government and writing the laws of their land in order to favor our interests isn't technically making it "our land". Right, ya got me there!
you criticize me for stating "standard BS leftist conspiracy theory", but you don't even remember the reason we went to war in the first place. your typical rightist ignorance is laughable
the US did not take the land. the US does not want the land. the US opened up the mineral rights from the state owned company to the western private companies. There are a LOT of business articles about where Exxon and Shell are now drilling in Iraq, which they weren't allowed to do so previously. This ain't rocket science.
but hey, if you don't believe me, Gen. John Abizaid (Ret.), the former CENTCOM Commander has my back:
Of course itโs about oil, we canโt really deny that,โ Abizaid said of the Iraq campaign early on in the talk.
โWeโve treated the Arab world as a collection of big gas stations,โ the retired general said. โOur message to them is: Guys, keep your pumps open, prices low, be nice to the Israelis and you can do whatever you want out back. Osama and 9/11 is the distilled essence that represents everything going on out back.โ
Uh, no, I did not lie. The bush administration never said that "the war would pay for itself", that's a false paraphrasing of a collection of quotes about people within and connected to the administration who said that Iraq would be able to fund its own reconstruction using their own money and resources. At no point did anyone suggest or get close to suggest that the US would use Iraqi resources to retroactively pay for the military costs of going to war with them. Do you just lap up everything you hear without actually digging into it?
โThe likely economic effects [of a war in Iraq] would be relatively smallโฆ. Under every plausible scenario, the negative effect will be quite small relative to the economic benefits.โ
Lawrence Lindsey
White House economic adviser
September 16, 2002
Why? If you were paid to lie like that it'd almost make sense, except nobody that I know of is paying people to lie in favor of the HWBush administration.
Why do you feel the need to lie so much? Your whole overarching point- that the Iraq war wasn't about oil- is a blatant lie, and I noticed you shut right up when presented with the Abizaid quote.
How do you live with yourself, lying like that so often?
Well, because I'm not lying. It's pretty bold of you to claim that I am. What is it with leftists and accusing people who disagree with them of "lying". It's like your worldview is so absolute and dogmatic that the only way you can handle anyone disagreeing with your interpretation of the facts is by pretending that they are a paid shill.
The war in Iraq was not about oil. Full stop. Finding a single quote from someone who reached the same facile conclusion as everyone else on the left is not proof that it was. If it were about oil, we would have seized all the oil fields and have been pumping nonstop to fill our national coffers. That didn't happen, nor will it ever happen. We are not imperialistic.
You do realize we produce more oil than any other country in the world besides Saudi Arabia, right? You do realize that we spent more on the war in Iraq than could have been produced if we ran their oil fields every day since the war began, right? The whole premise of oil being the reason we wanted to go to war is so stupid I'm shocked that people still perpetuate it. Nobody bothers researching this stuff on their own.
The whole premise of oil being the reason we wanted to go to war is so stupid I'm shocked that people still perpetuate it.
But you are. It's not a bold claim. You're looking at evidence and saying "la la la it's not true you're wrong". While providing absolutely no evidence to support your own point.
It's like your worldview is so absolute and dogmatic that the only way you can handle anyone disagreeing with your interpretation of the facts is by pretending that they are a paid shill.
That's just Occam's Razor. Like I said, that would make more sense than the idea that someone would look at facts and then turn around and say they're not true. I have multiple quotes from administration officials supporting my point, whereas you have yet to cite any evidence for yours. Not sure what else there is to say.
Finding a single quote from someone who reached the same facile conclusion as everyone else on the left is not proof that it was
Yes, a general who was active at the time "reached the same facile conclusion as everyone else on the left". That's significant.
If it were about oil, we would have seized all the oil fields and have been pumping nonstop to fill our national coffers.
Are you a military general/geoplitical strategist? If not, I'll dismiss this as the assessment of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.
You do realize we produce more oil than any other country in the world besides Saudi Arabia, right?
Why do you say that as though it is a strong point in your favor? "America produces lots of oil therefore it doesn't care about other oil producing countries at all, ever" is a fairly stupid assumption to make; I'm a bit insulted that you'd even attempt to make that point.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Times writer Levi Grossman (I think) said something along the lines of "[the only byproduct is helium (and liquid nitrogen I think)] which we can use to fill up the balloons for the party we have if this thing ever works"
Fusion's always been one of those projects where we say "we'll have it done in the next five years!" every five years
But in the US we do have Iter and I think that one's still self-sustainable for the next 20 years, but yeah, we've got to get a better way to breed tritium since the whole lithium blanket thing isn't enough at the moment, we've got to keep developing that technology. Apparently there's less than 20kg of tritium left iirc, one of the chemicals that we need for fusion energy.
There's a perfectly valid reason for this if you understand the scientific history of fusion. There have been multiple false "breakthroughs" in the technology and science of fusion that have turned out to be fabrications or misconceptions.
You mean besides JET and NIF and ITER which have eaten up meagre billions? Fuckin clueless people making speculative statements on stuff they haven't the faintest knowledge about. Go back to buzzfeed, you.
I'm hoping that, if/when stable, net-positive fusion is accomplished somewhere, it'll start an energy "arms race" and hopefully, we'll dump funding into it.
This obviously comes with the risk of some fuckers (ahem, U.S.) turning it into a weapon.
Someone made an (untested) plan for a pure-fusion bomb using explosive-pumped flux compression generators to create and release a magnetic fusion containment field. A few problems:
As mentioned before, unbuilt and untested.
You're essentially building a high-yield disposable fusion reactor that runs for a split second. Although cheaper than a permanent reactor, it's still not cheap.
The device would have the approximate weight of the equivalent yield in TNT.
Interesting to hear of this. The last point makes it seem more like a conceptual exercise than an attempt at a practical design. I guess that the overall equipment would be pretty bulky. It's still useful, as it gives one an idea of what's feasible currently.
People have been making fusors for years, and it is well known they will never make net energy.
We can DO fusion. Its quite straightforward. It's easy enough that grad students are tasked with making a DT generator for experiments with the 14 MeV neutrons or a high school student can make a fusor in their garage.
The issue is getting more energy out than you put in.
If you want to look at the actual frontier of fusion energy, Look up stellarators (W7X), tokamaks (ITER), spherical tokamaks (NSTX-U); field reversed configurations (Tri Alpha Energy), etc.
It's pretty fascinating to read all this. I hadn't heard of fusors until now, and I'm genuinely amazed that grad students can do what you've described. This part reminds me of the early days of aviation, with people making aircraft in their garages.
Ironically, I have already read about stellarators and tokamaks in mainstream articles that were concerned with future sources of energy (maybe that's why fusors weren't mentioned). That saga makes for good reading for sure.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia (or whoever else is involved in the race) has just as much chance weaponizing it as we do. Odds are one of us will do it, and then the other will immediately follow. But escalation is the nature of international competition.
It's a shame the ITER project started before the discovery of REBCO magnetic tapes. According to MIT, they are strong enough to increase fusion power by a factor of 10. That's a HUGE leap forward.
What sucks is that people will use fusion's lack of results as a reason to decrease funding even further, even though its lack of results in the first place is due to never being funded sufficiently.
Well, the US doesn't really care about science unless it's helping show its power or helping military advancement. That's why I'm working in Europe when I hopefully become a scientist.
HeKis4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the US pull out of ITER a couple years ago ? Thanks Obama...
The lack of US funding of fusion is sad, this graph was produced in 1976 to show when they predicted we would develop fusion with various levels of funding.
Initially we were on course to get fusion around 2005 but funding levels collapsed past the 80s
Funding is a risky thing, either government or privately. Both want a return. Investors want an eventual cash return, politicians want votes. If it doesn't look like there's an eventual payout, not a lot of people are willing to put in the cash when it's they're money or career on the line.
So, what will happen is that research will plod ahead slowly, then hopefully breakthroughs will increase viability confidence, and money will start coming in faster.
Well there are certain privately funded companies that have been researching it for the past maybe 5-10 years. Some of the strides they have made towards the end goal have resulted in other technologies, like bnct (iirc) which is like a cancer treatment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does funding need to come from Government?
xBeamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since 1953, when the fusion program started, the TOTAL spent on fusion energy in the US, both Magnetic and Inertial is $24.1 Billion dollars (adjusted to 29.1BN) - Source: FPA. That's an average of $393 Million a year - adjusted to $510 million per year in the US
Well, it is a lot, but not comparing to the energy sector.
As your own article notes, wind turbines got 12 billion in subsidies over 6 years, corn got 17 billion, and fossils 70 billion.
For fusion to get just 25 over more than 50 years, is disappointing.
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stuff like ITER is pretty promising though... and the venture capital idiots in the Silicon Valley seem to be getting into it. Regulating complex plasmas looks like a prime application for machine learning.
It's really a shame that fusion has been brushed aside. Of all the alternative energy sources, fusion is the only one that could scale to meet 100% of the earth's energy needs, and could be cheap enough to replace fossil fuels without any government subsidy.
resinis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The money has been against it, because energy that is too cheap to produce is not very profitable.
Actually, we've spent almost no money on fusion. It's been struggling for funding for decades now. There are a few projects in the works, but if we're going to make it we need to actually put it on the list of priorities:
ITER, a tokamak design, construction done in 2021 and intended to have full experiments in 2035
Wendelstein 7-X, a stellarator design, currently in operation
[deleted] ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 15:35:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least countries are now banding together like with ITER to take everyone's meek budgets and make them somewhat substantial.
On the other hand, joint venture projects between countrys seem to fail and waste money on so many levels due to artificial and forced distribution of planing, construction of parts and working on site in contrast to finance, plan and build in a single country.
Or at least that worked at one point. Nowadays it seems that the goverment just don't give a fuck in any way unless some lobbyist drops some money and hookers for the fuckers in the right positions. And since fusion research doesn't have a lobby... oh (poly-)well.
On the other hand, joint venture projects between countrys seem to fail and waste money on so many levels due to artificial and forced distribution of planing, construction of parts and working on site in contrast to finance, plan and build in a single country.
Or at least that worked at one point. Nowadays it seems that the goverment just don't give a fuck in any way unless some lobbyist drops some money and hookers for the fuckers in the right positions. And since fusion research doesn't have a lobby... oh (poly-)well.
Ah, the infamous space shuttle syndrome.
htbdt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, the Ariane 5 rocket from ESA is very reliable but also very ineffective. So, they did kind of a good job, but it still isn't perfect.
Unfortunately, most of the time these sorts of international projects become so bloated and corrupt (bloated because you need so much extra bureaucracy to manage multiple groups, especially across national borders, corrupt because each country's government wants their chunk of the funding to go to their companies and their people, and it becomes more about the pork than the research), that the extra budget is all wasted and they'd be better off with a single country doing it. See: the International Space Station program and ESA.
Not much worse, especially for ISS. It ended up being a 150 billion dollar program, in large part because of the insane bureaucracy, and that was after many of the originally planned components and supplemental programs were canceled (CAM, almost all of the Russian segment, the Hab module, the Man-Tended Free Flier and Polar Platforms, Docking Hub/Node 4). Using the most expensive launch vehicle in history to build it didn't exactly help either (~50 billion of that was Shuttle-related costs), but even accounting for that (and the increased hardware costs from needing to assemble it all on-orbit) its still an order of magnitude more expensive than would be expected of an optimally-managed program operating in similar constraints and with similar goals. Skylab and Mir both make nice baselines for comparison, since both are of comparable habitable volume to ISS. The former cost only a bit over 10 billion, inflation adjusted (but it benefited from being launched as a single module), the latter was about 6 billion
As for ESA, they've gone and effectively made Arianespace a monopoly on European launch services, and forced them to have their operations spread out all over Europe (fairings from Switzerland, engines from France, structures and tanks from Germany and Spain, boosters from Italy, etc etc. Hell, even that is simplifying it, the Vinci engine alone has subcontractors in over a dozen countries), and as a result they're so expensive they require an enormous (questionably legal) subsidy to be remotely competitive, and their bureaucracy is so damn slow that Ariane 6 will have taken nearly a decade to go from initial conception to flight readiness, and its barely even a change to Ariane 5
I shudder to think of what a joint international mission to Mars would look like for cost. IMHO it is that extreme cost which keeps it from happening too, in spite of globalist groups insisting that is the only way settlement of Mars could ever happen, or even a McMurdo style scientific outpost.
I should clarify that my comment shouldn't be interpreted as anti-globalist. I'm very supportive of a unified global government. The problem seems to arise from the project being managed as several completely different groups operating only loosely together, and each responsible to their politicians. And even within a single country, but with distinct states/provinces/whatever, these issues still crop up (see: the absolute shitshow NASA has been in for the last 30 or so years). If they could just provide money and resources to an independent international group without strings attached, or better yet have a single world government where the individual ex-countries have virtually zero power, these management issues should largely go away. Its one of those things where you really can't go partway
The one exception to this I'd say is when the countries involved are providing entirely different services. In the case of the ISS, one of the big issues was that each country wanted to provide their own modules, but they all fit into a small number of requirements, there was no need to have 4 countries building effectively the same thing to their own design. Optimally there probably should've just been about 2 types of pressurized modules (Nodes and Cylinders, you might call them, and even they would share significant design work, like the end cones and electrical/thermal systems and such), with different internal outfitting, and that would've cut the development and manufacturing costs massively. But if you could run the program such that each country provided a unique part with no functionality overlap (America provides the orbital launch and in-space transport, Europe provides surface habitats, Russia provides surface nuclear power, etc), then that could work pretty well, and benefits from each country having certain capabilities they excel at. I think the Shuttle-Spacelab (America provides the launch vehicle and on-orbit support, Europe provides the lab module and exposed pallets and other hardware) and Shuttle-Mir (America provides transport and finances, Russia provides the space station) programs both worked well in this regard, and were overall very successful and cost effective programs for all involved (though in both cases, ultimately failed due to external factors)
As for settlement of Mars, rather than a research station, that will never be done by any government, regardless of how its organized. Theres just no benefit for them to send colonists en masse to live off planet. This is something that, for now, will be limited to the private sector, which now finally seems to recognize the immense economic value of human spaceflight and is trending towards a cost point where its feasible for the average person
If they could just provide money and resources to an independent international group without strings attached,
That simply isn't going to be the case as politics always gets in the way... even more so when you are dealing with multiple countries.
I'll admit I'm anti-globalist as I think it is going to be the death and extinction of humanity if that ever happens. No single group of individuals has all of the clues for what makes this universe work nor any idea on how to govern humanity... not to mention that people simply don't always like others telling them what they can or can't do and sometimes want out.
All of that aside, governmental approaches tend to be very inefficient specifically because the goals of those organizations aren't focused on cost but instead exist to maximize other areas of interest like political influence and satisfying constituencies. A difference between Arianespace and SpaceX is that Arianespace needs to make sure each of the member countries have as piece of the action, while SpaceX simply gets it built. The same thing happens with NASA where each of the NASA centers need to get a piece of the action and preferably if possible every one of the 435 congressional districts ought to get some part of whatever new project is being developed. At least a majority of those districts need to get something... and did during Apollo.
That is why such government projects tend to become very costly, on top of some of the paperwork requirements that go to an extreme. A friend of mine who worked at Thiokol (this is a few years ago) pointed out that the paperwork generated during routine production for each of the Shuttle SRBs actually exceeded in mass and size each of those SRBs and had to be hauled to Washington DC in a series of C-130 flights leaving from Hill AFB. Not only was all of that paperwork generated, but it had to be reviewed and processed by an army of bureaucrats in DC who actually read through all of that stuff and then it was put into warehouses in case some accident happened.... like did end up happening where all of that paperwork was reviewed yet again on multiple SRBs.
There are good reasons for that level of government oversight on the level of knowing precisely what tools were being used to make literally every bolt, nut, rivet, or piece in anything purchased by the government, but that level of review also has its cost. That only gets compounded when dealing with international efforts where all of that paperwork needs to be shared and reviewed by every country that is involved.
I disagree for the ISS. Most of the cost comes from the US choosing shuttle operations, with the space shuttle being responsible for 50 billion just on it's own.
I saw somewhere a while back (it was an Ask Slashdot) that basically said the funding level was basically "fusion never" - this is why it's always "30 years off in the future" because the funding isn't sufficient to make much progress.
They also said it was about $80bn away. People replied "It's a lot of money to spend on something we're not certain will pan out". On the other hand, conservative estimates put the cost of the Second Gulf War at $800bn, and that failed to pan out and instead gave us Daesh.
We're certain it will pan out. Fusion is a physical fact of reality. One we can look up at the sky and see literally every day. People talking about it like it is effectively channelling the one power or something is the problem.
The only problem with the sun is that it is 150,000,000km away and we want a fusion reactor here on the ground on Earth without requiring the sun's immense gravity to crush the material sufficiently so it begins to fuse, and we want it to sustain longer and be less explody than a thermonuclear weapon. This is a rather more tricky task unless we're willing to properly fund it.
Essentially they contain a 100 Million Kelvin hot plasma in a vakuum using a super strong magnetic field generated by superconducting coils.
Doesn't get any cooler than that.
Edit: Even hotter, up to 150 Million
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:32:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't explain much, so I will fill in details.
Plasma sounds complicated, but think of it like a candle flame. It's very hot, glows, and has very little mass. The goal of fusion is to compress this candle flame into a tiny little ball. When that happens, the atoms will fuse together and create a huge amount of heat and light. The problem is, how do you compress a candle flame? You could get two hammers and smash it between them, but that won't work because the hammers are too cold and the flame will go out. You have to do it without touching the flame. The sun uses gravity, but that is not an option for us. But we can use magnets!
The tokomak is a doughnut shape (toroid). It pushes the plasma around in a circle and keeps it from hitting the sides. It was a great idea. It compressed the plasma and fused hydrogen nuclei and created energy. But there was a problem. Once the fusion started, the heat created pushed the plasma apart, stopping the fusion. This is the plasma instability problem.
The stellarator is like a tokomak, but full of computer generated twists and turns. It's like a stream where the water is continuously roiling and tumbling. The stellarator keeps the plasma continuously mixing and reduces these instabilities. Wendelstein 7-X is the one to watch. It seems to be working well as a research reactor and proving the concept.
The US Navy is/was looking into things like the Polywell -- They could replace fission reactors in new carrier and sub designs and even fit them into destroyers to provide power for the rail guns and laser stuff they're also testing.
In fairness, D-D fusion would be fine for that, as deuterium is common enough in seawater too if you have a fusion reactors worth of energy to electrolyse the water
The NIF, which I think is America's largest fusion effort, has the joint goals of achieving economical nuclear fusion and 'studying the behavior of matter under the conditions found within nuclear weapons'
Nuclear anything is unpopular with the public, makes public money hard to get. There's some irrational fear, there's some opinions that it's a waste of resources, there's some bureaucratic red tape.
It's a long-term uncertain investment, makes private money hard to get. Companies need to please their investors, and you wouldn't put your retirement money on a 50-year bet for maybe making a little money.
There are atleast 2 private entities making very solid trys at this right now. The current push is not for large scale plants but compact low cost devices (truck sized). Both Lockheed and General Fusion claim to be VERY close to making something workable.
The concept (a few years ago at least) was to develop compact transportable (non proliferateing) units that could be plugged into existing coal/gas power stations in the developing world for pennies on the dollar as a way to crash (or threaten to crash) oil/coal/gas prices and fuck the Russian economy.
Yes, the polywell is looking extremely promising and would be a low cost option for workable fusion, if wiffleball confinement can be proven to work as expected
Yeah, fusion has been a bit of a joke for a long time. Maybe you can take it more seriously these days, but it's far from a certainty, not really a miracle in waiting, and the public already fears nuclear power. I kind of expect France to be the ones who move forward on fusion, not the US. "Wealthy fossil fuel lobbies" are too interested in getting an early piece of any emerging energy money to be blamed. Saying so is just the usual antivax chemtrails bullshit.
The truth is that fusion suffers from its own crackpot reputation. Fusion and cold fusion are kinda lumped together. I also really doubt that fusion will be a miracle energy cure. There will be a drawback, a new ugly problem to manage in exchange for the power, probably some form of waste or the need to mine something rare at the expense of other people. So they can work on it, but there's already plenty of irons in the world's fire. Fusion research will just have to bide its time.
Any source of cheap energy that is not already part of the Earth's energy budget would be our biggest environmental disaster because we'd use more and more until we cooked ourselves. Therefore I'd try to kill it.
If it's free energy, we'll find ever more extravagant ways to use it until the waste heat of the reactors raise the temperatures directly. Even if there were no waste heat in the production, all the energy used ends as heat too.
That won't happen. Ever. We would have to increase our energy use 1000fold at minimum. It would create heat everywhere which would need cooling somehow. Nobody wants a 2000watt tv. We don't want heat radiating off of all of our stuff and we don't want large volumes of cold air coming from the vents to fight it.
You can't even imagine us using 1,000 times as much energy as now? I think that's the easiest thing to imagine here.
And global warming is not about being uncomfortably warm, it's about ecosystem collapse, tropical diseases everywhere, mass migration and other awful things. You can't just counter it by turning up the AC. That just uses more energy and makes things worse.
My point with the ac is why it's crazy for 1000x power increase. You have to deal with the heat from where ever it's being consumed. What's going to use all this power? Our cars? Nope the engines will overheat. Our phones? Nope will burn our hands. Our lights? Nope will blind us and burn like the sun. If we replace everything we currently use with 'free' electricity global warming will slow down and stop and I can't imagine a single thing that would warrant 1000x increase in electrical usage.
Not cars? You wouldn't like a flying electric car? One with crazy acceleration that would let you commute 500 miles in less than an hour? Heck, why spend an hour when it could be supersonic? You don't have much imagination, do you?
If the motors used huge wattage they'd melt. If they don't then it would be efficient travel and use not much more than driving by car. Yeah it's easy to imagine awesome new inventions, but you got to realize the heat has to go somewhere; can't cheat thermodynamics. Got any other examples of things that would increase overall usage 1000x, or even 2x? You haven't got any yet
You do know that airplanes exist, right? Right now the only thing holding back electric planes is just power density, not engine cooling, and that's all about to change. Other examples of extravagant energy use include people living in very hot or cold environments and wanting ever more climate-controlled space. Anyway, lots of resources initially looked limitless, but I bet you can't name one that we didn't quickly find creative ways to max out. We really need to give up the fusion dream.
Why would an electric plane create more heat? Electric planes and flying cars are two separate things. Nothing you've mentioned creates more heat then anything we do now
You're missing the point. It's not about the type of power source, it's about the energy itself. One can always convert one form of energy into another. The point is that with unlimited energy, we'd find unlimited fun things to do with it, and all of it would end as heat, and fusion would generate 100 times as much heat as that just in the generation process. And finally, the technology would be so complex that only nations could run them, creating oppressive monopolies. It's just a bad idea, but luckily for all of us, it's also looking completely out of reach for at least another 30 years.
You've yet to mention even the possibility of any of these "fun" things. If we changed everything that's run by gas/liquid into electric and powered all that by nuclear or fusion we'd generate half the heat. As well as stopping the vast majority of the greenhouse gas creation. That lead me to saying we'd need to make like 1000x more energy to get back to the point we are now. We're talking in circles at this point though so we might as well stop. Have a good day
We're not running in circles. You're just running off the rails. Please source your new claim that fusion power would generate half the heat of fossil fuels.
You're ridiculous. You aren't even trying to understand what I'm saying. You find a source that claims fusion make so much. You made your claim first. I was actually talking about electricity vs. fossil fuels. A good ICE is 35% efficienct - transmission is ~%90 - differential is ~%90. That leaves you with around 28% of burnt fuel to push vehicle and 72% as waste hear. A good electric engine is 90%. That leaves only 10% waste heat. Nothing you've said outside of live in my extreme environments would increase energy usage, it's actually the opposite
I don't know that fusion will ever break even, let alone become efficient by any standard. My hope is that it never does. Right now you can find the current records here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power#Records which shows that the ratio of energy produced to the energy required to produce it is 0.069. It can't be useful until that crosses 1.0, but like I said, even if the input energy was zero, we'd still cook ourselves because 100% of all energy used ends up as heat.
Note also that even fossil fuels would cook us too if they weren't limited, because that energy has been stored over millions of years and is being released all at once. The only long-term solutions that could possibly allow us to use large amounts of energy are to use sources that would have ended up as heat anyway, such as wind and solar. IE renewables.
Now it's your turn to find support for your claim that fusion will create half the heat of fossil fuel.
Schlick7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:43 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% of all energy we produce right now ends up as heat....
That's right, which is why only renewables won't affect Earth's overall temperature. A solar panel cools the ground it covers, and the eventual use of that energy releases it. Fossil fuels, nuclear, and especially fusion don't do that. They only add net heat to the biosphere.
Damn! So ITER isn't going to be fully operational for 14 years after it's completed? That a hell of a long time for testing. That's damn near two decades away which is pretty ridiculous.
Hopefully we'll get useful data out of the X7 by then haha
Could you imagine the economic incentive such cheap and clean energy would give. No more worrying or feeling guilty that a particular industry/activity requires a lot of energy.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:12:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to be one of the people to thank for making it a reality, it's my passion I'm life. I'm almost done with my Engineering degree and then I'm moving to Europe to do my Master's in Nuclear Fusion Engineering and join ITER ( the peeps working hard at it to crack Nuclear Fusion)
Put a remind me on this for ~15 years. And call me out if it isn't a thing yet.
Edit: Jesus, I don't know where my head was at when typing this, apologies for my misinformation of typing Cold Nuclear Fusion. But thanks to all the good cunts on reddit at the ready to correct me. You're dicks, but you're factually accurate dicks and that is the distinction I love the reddit community for.
ITER is not cold fusion though, its operating temperature is several times hotter than the core of the sun. It has to be, since the pressure is nowhere nearly as high, and even at those high pressures the sun only produces about as much power as a human (per unit volume).
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's hysterical that someone who hopes to become a nuclear engineer thinks ITER is using cold fusion. Did you just invent this story about doing an engineering degree?
EDIT: lol
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I could eat my own boot for saying something so silly. Fortunately though, you needn't worry about an idiot like me being the one actually trying to make the fusion reaction.
I'm studying electrical engineering with a specialization in superconductors, with my master's course being the [FUSION EP](eacea.ec.europa.eu/erasmus_mundus/results_compendia/documents/projects/action_1_master_courses/fusion-0164_final.pdf) programme. With it you go to the universities that have modules applicable to your specific sect of fusion engineering, mine being mainly to do with the superconducting magnetics that hold the plasma in the torus shape.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:13:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nifty. Best of luck. You have my full support dragging the human race kicking and screaming into the future.
I did some work on the ITER CS (central solenoid) and TF (toroidal field) cables for by bachelor thesis. It's pretty interesting stuff, but I doubt a future fusion reactor will use the same superconducting material as ITER uses now. Since the start of the project much better materials have been discovered, for example the ones from the REBCO (rare eath barium copper oxide) group. A future fusion reactor that uses this material can be build much smaller/cheaper/faster, but maybe you'll be the one to help build one of those :)
You should also check out this video, it's very insightful and I'm sure you'll find it interesting: https://youtu.be/KkpqA8yG9T4
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome, what're you studying and where? It sounds interesting.
I suppose that the other trouble with trying to build the test reactors, is that in the time it takes to complete one new tech and materials are created and uncovered what could've prevented a lot of the compromises and tradeoffs in the originally designs. But that just means that it'll all get cheaper and more efficient a whole lot quicker.
Thank you so much for the link, I'll be sure to watch it when I get back from class. :)
I'm studying applied physics at the university of Twente in the Netherlands. I think the group there is mostly concerned with the cooling and stability of the magnetic systems of ITER, not so much with how to control the plasma using the magnetic field. There are quite a lot of universities that are involved with the project though, and even outside fusion reactors there is a lot of research going on regarding superconductors in other applications (like windmill generators or long distance power cables). I'm by no means an expert in this, since I only worked with superconductors for 3 months or so.
I suppose that the other trouble with trying to build the test reactors, is that in the time it takes to complete one new tech and materials are created and uncovered what could've prevented a lot of the compromises and tradeoffs in the originally designs. But that just means that it'll all get cheaper and more efficient a whole lot quicker.
You really hit the nail on the head there. These kinds of projects on the cutting edge of technology take quite a while to design, so by the time you're starting construction your design is already kind of obsolete. There is not much you can do about it, but we'll get there eventually (with enough funding that is).
Well then, you just inspired me to hope for a new human achievement: Getting to the point where tipping points are no longer needed to move forward with new ground breaking technologies that will solve many more problems than it would create. Seriously: Long Term Gains > Short Term Gains
Literally posted about liquid fluoride salt reactors in a few subs! From /r/futurology:
I encourage everyone reading this to learn about liquid fluoride thorium reactors. LFTRs can't melt down and produce much less waste and utilize more fuel. They can also be used to desalinate water, and some of the nuclear isotopes that are produced can actually be used in medicine. The main reason LFTR was ignored by the US when invented was because they are incapable of producing plutonium, unlike many other nuclear plants during the arms race.
Although the power cycle is fairly understood, no one has really figured out what an operational plant would look like. A commercial application would require a high percentage of uptime relative to reprocessing and repair time, which is harder than it sounds since the entire reactor is operating at temperatures that melt salt. It just might not be practical.
Foxehh2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is fusion power exactly? Is it comparable to nuclear power or is it completely its own entity?
eceuiuc ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:35:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a kind of nuclear power, but conceptually different from the kind that we already use. I'll try to explain as simply as possible.
What we already have is based on fission, which is when the nuclei of big atoms get split into smaller ones and release energy. It's great for energy generation, but requires you to mine radioactive minerals and produces radioactive waste.
Fusion is based on fusing the nuclei of hydrogen together to form helium. This releases several times the energy you get from fission. Furthermore, its fuel is far more common (you can get hydrogen from water) and its waste is far less dangerous (the only radioactive part will probably be the reactor itself, which can't explode).
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Current nuclear powerplants operate off of nuclear fission. Nuclear fission is a process where the atom of very dense materials like plutonium or uranium are split, and the energy generated by dividing the atom is used to generate electricity.
Nuclear fusion is the process where atoms (hydrogen in this case) are fused together releasing high amounts of energy, and forming helium atoms.
Currently we have mastered fission, but can only create fusion in bombs. We can start a fusion process, but can't control or harness it for a very long period of time, and thus isn't viable for electricity generation yet.
If we are able to master nuclear fusion, then we will effectively eliminate all energy concerns for mankind. Energy would be abundant and close to free, and clean. The only byproduct of hydrogen nuclear fusion is small amounts of helium and a radioactive neutron, which we could theoretically contain and store very easily.
Foxehh2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we are able to master nuclear fusion, then we will effectively eliminate all energy concerns for mankind. Energy would be abundant and close to free, and clean.
Achieving power from fusion is one thing. Doing so in an economically sound fashion with good efficiency is another.
Imagine we design a reactor that is 5% efficient (it outputs 5% more energy than energy put in to make it work) Each unit is 100 million and can power a small town.
Now economically a choice must be made if preexisting infrastructure should be replaced with the core fusion reactor. Note at this point we have fully operational plants and the resources needed for them. So at this point we have fusion technology but no one wants to invest in it because even if its clean energy there is no need for it. Let's say after 50 years the plant would pay itself out from reduced maintenance but 50 years is too long for the average investor.
Let's say hypothetically we have a massive social push for this energy and we start replacing some plants. In 5 years now a reactor with 10% efficiency comes out and great. The government just paid 2 billion to provide energy for 20 towns when it could have paid 1 billion for 20 towns. Now what is the inventive to pay for 10% when we can get 15% in a couple of years?
Imagine now new oil fields are discovered in the melted Antarctica. Now the government asks if its cheaper to build 10% reactors or continue drilling oil. No lobbying will be made to convince the government to pick the cheaper oil. It can power small towns at 5% the cost lets say.
Now suppose years in the future we achieve 50% efficiency. Then we will start actually replacing plants. But lets imagine that to achieve 50% efficiency it would take 50 years from 10% efficiency...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will probably happen one day, but not any time soon. I wouldn't expect it in my lifetime.
Jop902 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I expect it in my life time at least and I'm not even that positive, where it would be too late to make a change that's another story.
AsterJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The challenges of fusion are achieving the extremely high temperatures and pressures needed to sustain the reaction. Currently that takes more energy than the reaction provides. The sun gets those conditions for free in its core due to gravity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't we set off bombs in space and then use big nets to capture the energy then let it slide down a tube into earth.
13Zero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With funding it might be possible in a couple decades supposedly.
It's been dramatically below funding targets for half a century, which is why they've been saying fusion is close to completion for that long.
It's very realistic, there is just a lot of funding required for the people researching it, to test their theories out and solve the current obstacles. If we can solve that issue, I see nothing else standing in the way of this scientific dream becoming a reality.
It IS a form of nuclear power. Instead of the easier conventional fission power which is done by splitting an atom to release energy, this is combining two atoms that release far more energy.
The golden standard of fission power is the use of radioactive elements which is one of the larger negatives of using fission to create energy. You have radioactive waste, that causes issues for storage, and you have to build more infrastructure to literally contain garbage for a long period of time (100's of year for the half life breakdown of those elements to be considered safe).
Fusion is a much more sustainable source (if not already the holy grail of energy creation). The golden standard for fusion is using hydrogen the most abundant element in our known universe. Therefore, you can never truly run out of the fuel source. Also, there is no nuclear waste involved and the byproduct of hydrogen based fusion is in fact helium (which is also hard to come by). The energy you get released from fusion is far greater than fission (maybe 10 times or more), however, you do need much more energy to trigger fusion than fission which is the main overall obstacle right now. There is also the obstacle of sustaining and containing fusion. We have capability of fusion bombs, but the issue is also containing that level of energy and harnessing it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't me use micro fusion to cause the reaction and cause bigger explosions all the way up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just another way of generating electricity by heating shit up. Fission-based nuclear reactors, natural gas-fired plants and coal-fired plants all work by using an energy source to heat up water to make steam and use that steam to turn turbines that generate electricity.
Cons: Extremely difficult, so difficult that there are no commercially viable fusion reactors in existence. Still produces nuclear waste.
Benefits: High energy output relative to the amount of fuel necessary. No threat of runaway reactions like in a fission-based nuclear plant. Radioactive waste has a much, much lower half-life relative to the waste produced by fission reactors.
You should take a look at 'Iter' project, a promising collaboration between 35 nations amd the worlds largest fusion project so far!
TheOJ25 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was at a decommissioned fusion reactor at the university of Illinois earlier this dome and met some of the lead researchers in fusion energy and they said that basically the biggest problem is they can't find a material to build the reactors with that won't melt apart from containing a constant fusion reaction. They said that there's really no accurate estimate on when this will happen and it could be 1 year or 100 years so hopefully it'll be something we can see because it'll solve a lot of problems
rukqoa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ones around energy density. Pure batteries have an upper bound. Of course you can have a generator that's fueled at the grocery store but that's not a battery.
It is, yes. As was said above, you can only store so much energy in a finite space, and to power a house off a small battery is currently well beyond our capabilities. A better solution would be a small cheap generator to produce energy to power the house, where storage space does not become an issue.
Fusing a few atoms could power a city. It would take a battery bigger any ever made.
Vanadium boride air batteries have a theoretical limit of 27kwh/liter. I'd say the laws of physics are fine with high chemical reaction energy (electrical) density.
How likely is a different story. You said the laws of physics make it impossible, I would disagree completely.
rukqoa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the average household uses 1000kwh per month, and that's likely to increase. How much are people supposed to carry in their battery grocery shopping trips? Isn't it easier to just pipe the power to them via the grid?
I think all of that would be a separate discussion. I was only interested in the absolute statements.
"impossible because laws of physics" is a strong, absolute statement of fact. It was far more dismissive of the original comment than "well, that probably isn't likely due to inconvenience and infrastructure".
rukqoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The original question was whether or not it would be reasonable for people to get an entire households worth of power during grocery shopping trips if we shrink batteries small enough. The implied question is whether there is an upper limit to power density in a battery that is high enough for it to be reasonable to carry around. According to the laws of physics, the answer is no.
It would be interesting to see some data on how much power a house has been using over the past like 30+ years. I'm sure it's been rapidly increasing. No where near 100 gigawatts I'm sure but in time we could be at very high levels for houses
The point he's trying to make is that a battery like you're imagining wouldn't be a little think you could throw in your trunk and take in to exchange like a barbecue propane tank. Picture something more like a pickup with a service body on it, except instead of a service box it's a great big battery pack. That'd run you a few days, but now every few days you have to drive the power truck down to the recharge station and it's gonna take many hours to charge.
To do this in a manner that doesn't leave you with no power at home for a day, probably the best you could do is have a delivery service that would swap out power trucks twice a week. Once you get that far, you're basically back to residential power delivery, except instead of using power lines you're using trucks
Just to clarify the term "sustainable" here. They have fusion reactors that they can fire up and sustainably run for long periods of time. The issue is that they take more energy to keep running than we can extract from the reaction.
So it's not sustainable in a financial sense.
It's one of those things that continually improves, but is still a ways off from being a viable power source.
And sure, it's an expensive engineering challenge, but the result is ... nigh on limitless energy. Something that could singlehandledy 'fix' all the incipient problems with humanity.
AsterJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a step short of the lab's stated goal of "ignition", where nuclear fusion generates as much energy as the lasers supply. This is because known "inefficiencies" in different parts of the system mean not all the energy supplied through the laser is delivered to the fuel.
As long as the lasers consume more power than the reaction provides it's still a net negative and not self-sustaining. Furthermore it doesn't even sound like they harnessed the released energy into a usable form so there are even more inefficiencies to overcome going forward.
Jop902 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laser technology is really great at looking really great on surface, impossible to scale, hard to get the energy from it... Not great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AsterJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't find a simple conclusion in there. The energy required to sustain the reaction is probably more than can be harvested.
People keep saying this, and it's really, really stupid. Fusion will not provide limitless or cheap energy anymore than solar, wind, or nuclear produce limitless or cheap energy. They all require massive capital investments and produce a decidedly limited amount of energy.
It's plentiful and continuous, much like nuclear power but without anywhere near as much hazard as a fission reaction.
And the fuel source is good for an awfully long time, and the byproduct is considerably less harmful.
The energy density of fusion power is much lower than fission. In other words, the reactor core needs to be much larger to output the same amount of energy.
and continuous
Even in a theoretical world in which a fusion power plant can run for more than a couple minutes (which is a major problem right now)...even in a world in which all the "just engineering problems" are solved... in the best case scenario a fusion power plant will still need to shut down every couple years to replace the core cladding that has been damaged by the neutron bombardment coming out of the core. In other words, continuity is a major problem for fusion power, even under the most optimistic assumptions. It is a far larger problem than in fission power.
And the fuel source is good for an awfully long time
Tritium is the fuel source, and it's extremely rare and expensive. Fusion power plant designs rely on the assumption that they will be able to "breed" tritium in sufficient quantities to self-fuel and to produce enough excess tritium to stock additional reactors. But the best hopes of tritium breeding will only allow for a "doubling time" of about 5 years. Even if we built this thing today with all of the tritium in the world (~20kg), it would take 8.37 doublings, or 40+ years in order to fuel just 5% of the world power needs (~120 GW), at an average consumption of 55.6kg per GW. In other words, even if we got a grade-A grid-ready fusion power plant by 2030, fusion will still be a relatively insignificant power source by 2070.
To be rid of fossil fuel pollution that feeds electricity, and to reduce the demand on space wind power turbines take, would be a blessing for the world, but a curse for fossil fuel workers.
Here in Kentucky, we still have tens of thousands of people who depend on coal to survive. Going fusion with them still working coal is going to create a lot of ghost towns and unemployed people.
Something we Kentuckians, and other areas that have heavy reliance on fossil fuel, are going to have to hurry up and plan for catching the people dependent on the industry.
A molten salt thorium powered reactor is very promising and has run at the research level early on in the USA's nuclear program. I hope the USA will fund research on it because if no it will be China and India we will be paying for ip in the future.
ptd163 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll never see it because the renewables industry will likely bribe, kick, and scream the same way the fossil fuels industry is right now when fusion comes knocking.
The ITER project is well underway and scheduled for completion on 2019 and is intended to essentially be the first viable fusion reactor (by emitting more energy than is required to run it)
Seriously, thermonuclear bombs are fusion bombs. It's how they are capable of being orders of magnitude more powerful than the fission bombs dropped in WW2. In fact, fusion bombs use the fission nuclear reaction to initiate the subsequent fusion reaction, which is much more powerful.
I'd also be happy to see a significant boost in battery storage.
The implications of storing home solar, thousand mile or more electric cars, and portable devices that can last for weeks would revolutionize so many things in modern culture.
eceuiuc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:41:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we ram a lot of really tiny things together to make slightly bigger tiny things, we can get a lot of energy. We just haven't figured out how to do it in a way that won't lose money.
As a complete novice to this area, may I ask why we're not spending money to research it more? Genuinely curious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple reasons.
1) the research is extremely expensive and won't come to fruition for at least 50 years. It's not hard to see why people don't want to invest in something like that.
2) Fossil fuel companies lobby to pass laws that favor fossil fuel companies and hurt their competition (their competition being all renewable sources of energy)
IIRC we could have fusion in a couple years if it got proper funding. It's perpetually a few years away, just in need of funding.
mivanit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, this is the most important thing to me. Fusion power will really help kick off real space exploration, and allow us to provide food+water for everyone
Sigh, fusion power. The famed Up! documentary series features Nick who grew up to be a nuclear physicist. I forget if it in 21 Up (1977) or 28 Up (1984) but he was excited to have joined a fusion energy research project, and was confident a working reactor was only decade or so away. Later films he's openly disappointed how little progress there's been.
My physics professor laughed every time he heard it mentioned. "Ten more years they say, but they don't tell you they've been saying that for 70 years!"
like nuclear fission works by releasing energy by breaking heavy elements into lighter ones, nuclear fusion power releases energy by combining (fusing) light elements into heavier ones. Namely, combine 2 hydrogen atoms to create a helium atom + energy. Alot of energy.
It has many theoretical advantages. The amount of energy released from a fusion reaction is quite high. Nuclear warheads work off the fusion reaction, and are several orders of magnitude stronger than the fission bombs dropped in WW2. It's fuel is plentiful. Water contains hydrogen molecules. Hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the universe. It also has no nuclear waste, other than reactor components themselves. the byproduct is simply helium.
as for cons, well its still not viable as reactors are very expensive, take years to build, and so far are still not energy positive, meaning it takes more energy in than the reactor produces. Fusion powers stars, so engineers are literally trying to recreate a sun inside a reactor. obviously this is difficult.
Hah, 20 years ago I worked as an undergrad in plasma engineering, which had some overlap with people working on fusion. I met a guy who pretty big into it, who said we were probably 20 years away. He also said they've been saying we're 20 years away for 40 years.
Cure for Alzheimer's. I have a family history and it terrifies me having witnessed what it does to people.
Edit: This reaction was really unexpected but thank you to the many people who shared their experiences. My granny died last year due to Alzheimer's which she had been suffering for most of my life so to hear that so many people have gone through the same thing is really incredible. One thing that stuck with me from the funeral was a stranger saying to me "at least you have lots of memories of her". But the thing is I don't. That has stuck with me since and is a constant reminder to me of how horrible it really is.
denimOwl ยท 7584 points ยท Posted at 14:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching a loved one progress with Alzheimers just tears at your heart. There are few things that match this sadness.
[deleted] ยท 4498 points ยท Posted at 14:43:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely mate. It's gut wrenching watching someone you love and care about gradually slip away. It's even worse when they're full aware of their condition and what's going on.
Troppin ยท 11962 points ยท Posted at 14:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing a woman that loved me my whole life forget who I am, cry fresh tears for a husband that died decades ago, is gut-wrenching.
I hope you sued the hell out of that place for negligence. Bed sores are extremely preventable and evidence that a nursing home was not turning your loved one correctly or leaving her soaking in urine and feces for so long that it destroyed her skin.
NO ONE should die from bed sores. Fucking no one, I used to be a CNA and there are some lazy cunts that should have never joined the field. Pisses me off to no end
Don't they have special mattresses for bed sores? They gave me a mattress once that would deflate and reflate every time I moved. I thought it was a really mean thing to do too because I had just had major abdominal surgery.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They absolutely do, but... Money. Aged care in particular is insanely expensive to provide. Staff are overworked as it is, but they can't really afford more staff. Incontinence aids are rationed and kept under lock and key. And all the equipment is expensive because it's specialised and niche.. Also because f**k you that's why. So 150 fancy inflating air mattresses are a massive cost when you can just make the care staff roll nanna every few hours.
They do exist, but they are expensive so not many places have them for every patient/ client. It is common to have some in a facility, but they are reserved for those at the most risk (or who can afford to buy their own). There are very rarely as many as they need.
It is. CNA here, I understand the job is frustrating and sometimes you will change someone or reposition them and 5 minutes later they may be wet requiring you to change the sheets, pad, brief, etc, but that's YOUR FUCKING JOB. I had 16 people minimum I was taking care of by myself that was on the low end, but that's the job you signed up for. Regardless of how annoyed or tired you are, those are people that are relying on you for help. I was ALWAYS picking up the slack of lazy aides.
Dislol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but that's YOUR FUCKING JOB.
I never understood this, if you don't like it or think its too much work for what you're being paid, then fucking quit. Don't make other people suffer (patients you don't care for, coworkers who have to suffer your negativity, etc) because you don't want to do the job you accepted a position for.
Oh my god. My dad died a year ago this week from complications due to bedsores he got in hospital. If this is true, that bedsores are caused from neglect, then fuck Etobicoke General more than I already thought.
gd_akula ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:46:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it won't ease your pain, but sue the shit out of them if you have the means. Not only for your sake, but to make it cost them so maybe they enact measures protect someone else's loved ones from a similar fate.
This is what a lot of people forget about lawsuits. A lot of people seem to have this notion that anyone suing for anything automatically just makes them a greedy fuck and that they should just get over it, even if there was some form of malpractice or negligence involved, but by taking a stand you can often get measures put in place to ensure it doesn't happen to others.
There's another side to the story. First of all, pressure sores can form quickly and are very difficult to heal once developed. Most facilities, especially in rural areas, are perpetually understaffed. Nursing homes, unlike hospitals, do not usually run a profit. The pay for staff is extremely poor, and literally no one wants to be there.
We know how to prevent pressure sores. Turn the patient every 2 hours. It sounds simple, but when you consider the number and difficulty of patients the staff deals with, people get overwhelmed. Would you work for $15/hr cleaning up human feces, changing diapers, babysitting miserable elders many of whom have been essentially abandoned by their families to die? Fancy hospitals and nursing homes have 24 hour "turn teams" assigned specifically to turn patients so they don't develop sores.
Now if the place is in a rich area and running a profit there is no excuse for the staff to let pressure sores develop and you are very right to sue. But an unequivocal attitude of "just sue their asses" is not helpful for nursing homes that are in underserved areas. You really won't get much from a settlement anyway, and if the place is already hurting it's not going to help anything because it's not a fault in procedure but a lack of resources. There are much worse cases of negligence than letting pressure sores develop. There are plenty of cases every year of patients escaping and getting hit by a car or freezing to death in the middle of winter.
These days everyone wants nursing homes to take care of their family members, but they don't want to pay for it. It is honestly a shit job--the working staff make $31k per year while office staff make $45k per year. No real room for advancement. Very poor working conditions. These people are on the lower rung of the totem poll and you expect that they are going to be cream of the crop, hard working, dedicated workers? Not to take away from those who are (and there are plenty of noble souls out there who deserve a lot of credit), but the people making mistakes in a nursing home are not usually the most competent workers in the first place.
I have a serious question and it's not an attack on you in anyway, but do you do anything when you see a lazy CNA? They shouldn't be CNAs so couldn't you report them to someone or something and get rid of them? Wouldn't your word mean more than a complaining customer? Obviously people are very sensitive about their loved ones so I could see how personal complaints without hard proof being swept away but surely another CNA saying something carries more weight?
I've personally never seen anyone in any field actually go up to their boss and repeatedly show that an employee is incompetent to borderline dangerous and I'd imagine it's the same exact thing with medical professionals and it seems... pretty shitty.
What do people actually do to combat this? Besides suing after the fact. My grandfather died of bed sores in a hospital when he had pneumonia so it's something that bothers me more than probably the average person.
joelupi ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:08:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP but emt and current pct in a hospital where we see a fair share.
It comes down to staffing. They can't afford to get rid of them because no one wants to work as a CNA in a nursing home. You have unsafe staffing ratios (20 to 40 to 1 cna), you are constantly being barked at by the nurse or really lpn to do more things than there is time for (waiters call this being in the weeds and it literally starts the minute you walk in the door) or you have the opposite where everyone is so blaise and apathetic that they don't care and nothing gets done. These are the kind you roll up to someone in CHF and when you go to get report everyone scatters like bugs when you turn on the light. Despite what they say this shit didn't "just happen"
You also have the possibility of being known as the tattle tale and then Nothing happens but everyone else knows you told so you're the one cleaning up the 95 year old who is consistently incontinent by yourself.
It's not that simple. The point is that tattling often doesn't help anyway, so you are making your miserable job even more miserable and you didn't make the situation any better because there is nothing anyone can do about it. Are you going to fire a CNA from a nursing home with a 30:1 patient to staff ratio? Then the existing staff will have an even harder time managing everything including pressure sores.
RN in ICU Here and a large part of the issue is staffing. Unfortunately in a for profit healthcare system such as in the US, everything is about maximizing profits which always places the heaviest load on those nearer the bottom of the totem pole. Meaning stretching patient to caregiver ratios to as large as is safe (per the particular organizations policies) and also that more often than not most floors are understaffed. They're understaffed to the point where they literally can't afford to fire any nurses because they couldn't lose one person and try and find more people to pay to train. Not only this, but the budgets are controlled so tightly that despite all of the nurses who work on my floor desperately expressing desire for help from just one CNA per shift, we are consistently told by management that it's simply not in the budget.
Considering I work in an acute setting, I'm not terribly familiar with CNA:patient ratios within ALFs and SNFs but I usually hear something to the tune of 20-40 patients per CNA. Imagine if 5 of those patients soiled themselves within an hour time frame and it is one person's responsibility to clean them all up. It would be nice to think it only takes five minutes to clean someone else up, but it doesn't. When most of the patient population is going to have significantly limited mobility, its mostly likely closer to 15-20 minutes to clean a person and change sheets for someone that is bedbound meaning one of those 5 is sitting in their own stool or urine for an hour AT BEST.
I'm not saying that there aren't negligent caretakers out there, there certainly are, but the root of the problem is deeper than that.
cgxo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in addition to this, there's the consideration that patients arent always cooperative and refuse care. especially with alzheimers! turning/repositioning and frequent pericare is important but the patient's behaviour can be a major factor as well
Yeah I'm on my phone and it didn't look like it was posting so, naturally, I just kept hitting the button and then I refreshed to find it had been working the whole time..
My wife is a nurse and vents to me about work when she needs to. She has confronted people directly and then went on to complain to managers (when situations didn't improve) about a few CNAs and LPNs in the past. As far as I know, only one was ever let go and that's because of an unrelated issue that the CNA caused involving other staff. I believe that the facility where this happened was experiencing a serious shortage of applicants to their open CNA/LPN positions.
Not a CNA, but had a similar job caring for elderly and disabled in their homes (PCA - Personal Care Attendant). These positions are hard to staff, so bad workers have to do something very drastic to get fired. The pay is awful, the work is messy as well as physically and emotionally demanding. It's hard to get enough staff. They just don't want to pay enough to have proper staff.
People can defend the Nursing homes, conditions of employment etc all they want. As a person, as a professional, as a simple employee regardless of the field your job is to report it.
Nursing has checks and balances to prevent whistleblowers from being retaliated against and everyone who has ever worked in healthcare has seen the hour long videos required before employment can begin on this subject. You are a mandated reporter and can go to jail for not reporting it.
I have personally reported three board and cares and had one shut down as a result of my report while working in hospice.
Documentation is key. However, the boss sometimes defends the incompetent in which case you go above their head and report directly to the Ombudsman, social worker, etc.
CNAs or whoever you are out there stop hiding behind your fear and fucking report it. Imagine if it was your mom. Burn in hell if you let an elderly patient sit in urine for hours.
I answered already. I worked in healthcare for about 9 years before switching to IT. The amount of people that go into this field that want to be โhealersโ or expect a nice paycheck and then fall into the same lazy work are all pathetic and should just get out of healthcare.
Again, thereโs systems in place wether it be federal or not to report. Do it
I'm extremely late to this and did not read all the replies but yes, CNA's that call people out do exist. I was a CNA at a hospital and one of the units I worked on was geriatric psych (Alzheimer's, dementia, etc in people aged 55 or older). This one girl I worked with always refused to clean men's genital areas (on the ones who couldn't bathe themselves) because it was "too awkward." There were several instances like that but the straw that broke the camels back for me was when I was giving her report (so who is ambulatory, who can/can't toilet themselves, feed themselves, etc) and she said "oh I don't care about that, you can go home." You don't care who can WALK?! I told my boss and she never worked on the unit again. My mom is a CNA at a long term care facility and she has turned coworkers in and then gotten reprimanded for doing so because the administration is shit and they are so short staffed that they would rather have an incompetent employee than none at all. It's very sad.
klethra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I file an anonymous complaint with my state's Common Entry Point
This is something anyone can do, but I am required by law to do so if I even suspect someone is being mistreated. I have only had to do this myself once (a family friend's adult daughter was being denied meals based on her behavior). When a late, former client of mine was kept in a hospital's care facility, my boss was more than happy to file a complaint. I hope that place is shut down by now, but I don't know.
I work in a long term care facility and there are some trash cnas. I'm not in their department though so the most I can do is tell our DON, who doesn't do anything as far as I know
I was famous at my old hospital for my efforts to get a nurse I was precepting fired,. I've also reported bad or lazy or incompetent NAs. Problem is, nurses have zero authority as far as hiring or firing.
CNA/CMA here. I currently work in assisted living so bed sores are rare in my department because the majority of my residents can ambulate well. However, we once received a resident who was paralyzed on his left side of his body. He hated being moved and would scream and holler at us if we moved him. No amount of painkillers and mood stabilizers could help. But the family gave us permission to ignore his resistance in order to treat his bed sores because the last place he lived in gave him horrible bed sores. I had bruising up and down my arms, sides, and shoulders for months until he passed away from liver failure.
My point is that it's easy to blame CNAs for bed sores but we are understaffed and our caregiver to resident ratio is expanding despite our protests. Also, your grandma or grandpa might be super sweet to you but is abusive and combative towards me. The only way we give amazing care is when the nursing home is not a full capacity. My field has a high turnover rate because we are so exhausted. I had to go PRN in order to save my sanity. Suing the nursing homes create worse problems for the staffing. If we get sued then our hours will be cut and there'll be even less caregivers on the floor. Sometimes working in caregiving is like being stuck in an abusive relationship.
I know a nursing home that smells like fresh piss and constantly leaves people on artificial toilets. They always neglect alarms and tune out anything that doesn't fit their schedule. There needs to be a Florence Nightingale of nursing homes, there really needs to be.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more difficult than that, particularly with dementia or Alzheimer's that robs the person of all quality of life. My grandma recently died. The verdict from the coroner was cause of death advanced dementia and pneumonia. Was the pneumonia preventable? Who cares. Suing doesn't bring anyone back, and with illnesses like dementia, at least in the case of my grandma, it's better that they die anyway.
My point is: please be a little more sensitive
nwz123 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:21:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a job, right?!
/s
Those kind of people and what they do to others, sickens me to no end. Gotta thank our economic culture for that.
Alcohol poisoning is deadly and bartenders can and do prevent it every day. Also, when someone truly has gone too far they can get the police involved if they know that person is going to drive home etc.
Bartenders can go a long way to save lives. I think it's a terrible example for "not being able to kill people through gross negligence".
They are like a lifeguard for alcoholics. They may not see everyone that's drowning but a trained bartender can save lives.
At any rate, I still agree with your previous point. I'm just nit-picking your example.
I work in a hospital and just yesterday I was treated to the Staff Nurse crying uncontrollably while stuttering out that she just can't do the job she wants to do with the reduced amount of staff that management and their budget concerns lets her have. When we have tried to report the work system as irresponsibly understaffed we get hammered from the management that have full access to the same reporting system we are contractually obligated to use.
So yes it can be a sign that the hospital is understaffed, either in total staff or in total staff with the necessary education. Meaning that no matter how much the staff try to avoid negligence it is a unavoidable outcome.
Makes you feel better to blame it on individuals though right ? Gets you that self righteous hard on that you crave oh so much I bet.
PS: I decided just yesterday to go back to accounting, twice the pay and a fraction of the heart ache. I wanted to do something more rewarding that could actually help people. But having seen too many assholes like yourself I am starting to understand that I am much better off just helping myself.
PPS. You and your ignorant blame cast can go fuck yourself.
You really can. If they want to be negligent and inconsiderate of human life because "you're underpaid," you are not equipped for that job, and you shouldn't do it. Granted, those people are not overwhelmingly common, but there are more than there should be.
I don't think that's what I was saying. Negligence happens because of being understaffed because it's such an underpaid job and also lack of supervision? I was saying you can blame the company but not necessarily the individuals who have trouble keeping up with the work.
An EMT is pretty much monitored by peers and supervisors all the time and if they fuck up, their job is instantly on the line.
That's no excuse. EMTs barely make any more than them, if at all, see much worse things and work a hell of a lot more hours. Yeah there are some shitty emts too, but pay cant be an excuse when it comes to dealing with people's lives.
My husband worked at a nursing home in Kentucky. He had no background, they paid $7.25 an hour and mostly employed people who used to work at taco bell.
He would change a diaper at the end of the day friday, and come back Monday to find the same diaper crusted on with burns all over the patients butt and genitals. He was fired for complaining, so we wrote a letter, got them investigated, and the nursing home changed hands.
Edit: also wanted to add that most of the nurses stole RX pain meds from the patients, and if it expired they would pretend to throw it out and take it home. There was even a little drug ring going on.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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This is fucking true. I used to be a student nurse and I have witnessed a lot of lazy nurses not caring about their patients when their main job is to give care.
Just started working at a nursing home and I was surprised to learn this first hand. So many CNAs blow me off when I tell them so-and-so is complaining about their butt hurting, or that they need to go to the bathroom (I am not qualified for transfers). One resident had to go to the bathroom SO BAD and the nurse had the nerve to tell me that the CNAs were off in 5 minutes and the resident would have to wait for the next CNA in 15 minutes. Umm, what? Luckily OT was able to help her. I was so mad. I get the nurses can do overtime but god...
God reading that (person your replying to) just made my blood boil. Trained as a CNA, my group saw a guy in distress, asked a CNA to check on him and her response was "sorry my lunch is now. I'm leaving. I'll check on him when I get back."
Eventually our instructor checked on him after we kept bugging the shit out of him and IIRC he had to go pee. Ended up soaking his briefs.
If it weren't for the fact that the nursing home allowed us to be there, I would've raised hell on that lazy piece of garbage.
Glad to see not all CNA's are in the wrong field. All the CNA's in nursing homes around me are so fucking incompetent it would make your head spin. Makes we wonder how they passed their tests in the first place
I do need help, but medical malpractice is a tough thing to prosecute in the state I live in so I can't get help. Bummer.
klethra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that kind of help. You need therapy, so you can stop being such a sad sack. Maybe nobody in your life is willing to tell you this, but racist memes from /pol/ are not how you fix your life. Seek out a therapist.
Please gimme more monies so the PCW to residents ratio is better than 1-20 and I'm not stuck trying to choose between assisting John out of bed, and getting Jane showered... I swear I'm busting my ass to provide the best care I can, and I really do care about those I assist. They're someone's family and I treat them like I would my own mother.
Also please gib the facility enough money to not have to ration bed sheets and incontinence pads like they were made of gemstones and gold, as sometimes residents need more than 2 pads a day.
If after that you could please gibe me more per hour than a fast food worker that would be good also. I'm not saying they don't work hard, but being a carer is physically and mentally draining like no other job I've had.
Yes. Please. Gibe moar monies, for I am truly a bastard.
Fwiw I've never met a crooked nurse, I find greed and disregard for human life tends to inhabit the upper echelons of the income bracket. I complimented a nurse in this same thread. But the idea that there aren't many disgusting abusive human beings infested in public health systems is something I'll rail against until my next doctor decides I deserve to die.
Fair. Abusive people have no place in care, but the ones ive met are doing amazing work and putting in huge effort to do it, and can only put up with the system like they do because their heart is in it.
My grandfather who was my favourite person, had Alzheimer's and diabetes, got gangrene on his feet, and had amputations above his knees. Also had bed sores. My family was told either he dies from bacterial infection from the gangrene or his legs get amputated. They chose to amputate against my wishes :( he woke up wondering where his legs were and died anyway about two months later. I think the doctors had a stake in doing the amputation.
Edit: Also I should have mentioned - my condolences for your loss.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:59:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:10:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone who has experience in this field please explain how things like this happen ? Even if you hate your job why would you allow another person to suffer like this ? Seriously, do they just purposely hire shitty people to work in these places ?
Gears7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience, it's a combination of things. Always short staffed, lazy af aides, no communication between aides and nurses. You will often see the good aides leave after a few months for a hospital position or another site. I left for a hospice position and I absolutely report even the slightest discoloration of the skin to the hospice nurse, facility nurse and facility aides.
I have worked as a CNA for over 20 years. This only happens from complete neglect, unfortunately there are many nursing homes that are guilty of this but not all. This job is mentally, physically, psychologically exhausting. Not many would come running to do this job, especially because you can go to McDonald's and make more in most cases. There is a management factor here as well, along with how the home is funded. There are CNA staffing issues that run ramped, most CNAs take care of up to 80 people alone on a regular basis. Edit: I want to make clear, this statement is not in ALL cases.
I work in a wonderful state of the art facility, but have seen them at their worst.
Yeah :( it was pretty much one of the WORST ways to die and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. The saddest part is that they thought he was coming back because he said a word here and there. They wanted to save him. They were complicit in the whole thing and didn't want to listen to me :( They meant it out of love but it was really terrible. My dad told me months later that I was right. And this is why I support euthanasia. Hopefully if it's legal more doctors and families will see it as a viable option in cases like this, where the end is near in any case. It is the compassionate way.
She had just a bit of dementia and was at that point about 96. She kept telling her family she wanted to die but they always talked her into trying something else to extend her life.
At the end they ended up amputating her legs, which was a surprise to her every morning. The pain was constant and the amputation sites became infected. Right to the end her family came in every day and basically force fed her to keep her going. We couldn't intervene.
A month later she passed away without family by her side.
They really did and they were also practicing catholic. They didn't think she had the right to die when she wanted. I don't advocate suicide either but refusing life-extending intervention is different. Not at all the same as suicide.
The look in her eyes when they would come in for dinner. She loved them but knew they didn't have her best interests in mind and was unable to communicate it to them.
Kinda. Doctors also have a strong mindset to keep people alive as long as possible and regardless of what's required. A great quality 90% of the time, but not so great in palliative care when you need to ask what sort of life they are getting.
Do doctors really need to do surgeries that aren't warranted for money, when they work in a hospital and have people pouring in all the time who need legitimate surgeries and treatments?
Ah, right. Well then we're in the same boat. I suppose it could be the case that whilst there aren't a shortage of patients, there are a shortage of patients who are willing/able to pay. And of course there's always competition; the patients may be all going to a competitor instead and this doctor doesn't get as many patients as he needs.
I suspect that they got lots of $$$ for their hospital's dept from the government because of the surgery which was really fast, I think 8 hours if not less.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hippocratic oath commands us healthcare peofessionals to do all we can to save a person. If he got a few more months of life out of it they were doing their job. To let his infection take him while knowing they could prevent his death for a while would be malpractice unless the family/PoA specifically told the docs not to amputate.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what frightens me watching my father go through Lewy Body Dementia. It will come to a point where he is bedridden and I don't want him to die staring at the ceiling covered in sores and filth. It's the most depressing experience and hopefully science can find a cure or remedy within my lifetime. It may not help my father but it will save other families.
When my grandpa died, at the funeral my grandma couldn't remember how she got there because grandpa would always drive her everywhere. It was then we realized how dependent they were on each other. In her new apartment, we had to put postit notes on the cabinets to remind her where things were. It was a shock because she always told the best stories and seemed sharp as a tack. I could point at any picture on the wall and she could recite a story of a camping trip from 1991, but now she couldn't remember which cabinet the plates are in. I dunno, I guess that stuff happens when you hit 90. :-/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, sorry to hear that. 60 is so young. But I'm not saying it happens to everyone. Who knows. Just that Alzheimer's doesn't really show up until you're after 65.
My grandmother had dementia. I watched her die. She just couldn't take another breath, and she tried. She smoked (Pall Mall) her entire life until she forgot that she smoked, and that wasn't what killed her.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, I am so sorry to hear that. My Grandpa had dementia as well and the staff at the long-term living he was staying in didn't really give a shit about him either. They'd always lose shit, even important things like his hearing aids and dentures. He needed assistance eating and many times he'd be sitting at the dining table for hours just staring at his food. Thankfully my mom worked at that same hospital and was able to keep people in check when she could. I really can't imagine what it would have been like had she not been there constantly.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry, mate. Where the hell were the caretakers during this!?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry about that. I wish there was a magic fix for this kind of stuff. Good luck to you bud.
I work in late stage dementia care, and its tough. We do all that we can as staff to help make the facility feel less lonely and more like a community, but its an impossible task. These folks are well past their prime and sometimes can't even remeber to the simplest things we take for granted. Like putting on your own cloths and correctly. It breaks my heart when I see some of my residents so lonely and confused. I do what I can to help them mentally and also physically. Clean cloths, bathed, clean brief and mental stimulation.
I've gone through something similar myself, my aunt didn't recognise me and every 5 minutes asked who I was, I used to see her almost every other day. The isolation of retirement homes is really depressing. If you're interested though there is this documentary that follows 10 retirees and 10 pre-schoolers who spend 6 weeks together.
T3RRY ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was one of the only people my grandma recognized. Last fall, my poppop called me up and asked that I come over. Apparently she wanted to go 'home' so I packed up a over night bag and took her around the block a few times then pulled back up to her house. She was just as happy as she could be that she was finally back home. My grandma passed away 6 months later in his sleep.
mcnuccy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even after my grandma passed my aunts and uncles still go to the nursing home she was in to visit the residents there.
nionvox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In high school I did volunteer work at an old age rest home/hospice. I'd play scrabble with the residents, or just chatter. Whatever they wanted, really. Many of them thought I was coming in the first time, every week. Their short term memories had just disappeared. It was like reloading a quick save and playing through it differently each time. Although I did learn what everyone's favorite activities/interests etc were though.
One dude though, he made me so sad. Lovely man, would tell me about how his son had paid for him to stay here 'at the nice resort' (it was actually a very nice rest home so there's that) 'just last week'. He was looking forward to seeing him again, with his new wife. I talked to the nurses about him later - the son had dropped off his father about 5 years back, because him and the new wife thought dad's Alzheimer's was 'creepy' and didn't want him around.
This dude's short term memory was gone at this point, but the first few months, he was still aware that his son had basically abandoned him (in his lucid moments anyway). A bittersweet victory for everyone there when he lost it entirely.
castizo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit... my aunt and uncle used to own a nursing home and I worked their for a short time. Its very depressing. Even their childrend didn't want to carry over the business.
kfmush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few years ago, my mom and I went to visit her brother in the nursing home. He had Alzheimer's. It was the sorriest thing I have witnessed.
As we walked in, a small, elderly woman was pulling her self down the hall with the railing. She saw my mother and started waving her hands frantically. "Go back! Go back!" she yelled, "You don't want to be here. Please, go back."
Her brother's disease was very far along and he could barely speak. They had him strapped down to a wheelchair and we thought it seemed like he had been there a long time without getting up. He kept muttering he had to use the bathroom and it took forever to find a nurse that could help. He could barely speak and couldn't recognize either of us. But he was obviously joyful to have company, though, no matter whom it was. I'll never forget the big smile on his face as he nodded and muttered "yes" when my mom asked if he liked my new shoes. It was a good image to keep in my mind from seeing him in such a sorry state the last few days of his life.
Coppeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question tho, what's the reason behind not taking parents home and have them live with you?
bestem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom had Alzheimer's. Towards the end (like, starting a year or so before she died), she couldn't really communicate anymore. She couldn't feed herself, or use the bathroom, or walk. She stayed at home until she died, but it was just super stressful on all of us, as caregivers.
There were people from her Alzheimer's support group, or later her Alzheimer's daycare, that would leave the house and start wandering around. They would get lost and not know how to get home, not know how to contact someone to help them get home (like, they would forget phone numbers), or they wouldn't know who to contact, wouldn't know where home was. Even if help was called for them, like the police, it wasn't always easy to help them immediately.
There were other people from her group that had done things like turn on water to boil for a cup of coffee, and forget about it, and the smoke detector would go off, causing even more issues.
So, it's hard on the caregivers, who haven't ever been trained on how to care for an adult who is essentially a young child in many ways, and regressing more all the time. Also, unless you lock them in, it's also difficult to keep tabs on them 24/7 (what if they get out of bed and out of the house while you're sleeping?). Lastly, it's dangerous for the variety of ways they can cause issues around the house (not just fire hazards because of forgetting you started the stove, or you left the gas on without lighting the stove, but accidentally poisoning themselves, or anything else a kid who can't read yet could do as well).
Coppeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for your reply, that makes a lot of sense and is giving me a lot to think about.
I'm sorry to hear about your mom. I can't imagine how stressful it was for you, those who tried their best and your mother herself. Alzheimer's is really one of the worst and I hope the cure for it comes sooner.
Hey, I don't know you and I don't have any experience that I can relate to yours with - but if you ever want someone to talk to, drop me a PM? I'm happy to chat. Take care of yourself.
My grandpa on my dad's side had dementia. My aunt went to visit him one day, as she often did. After chatting a bit she asked if he wanted to go for a walk. He said he couldn't because he was waiting for his daughter to visit. So they just sat and chatted. He would mention how she should be here soon. At one point something in his brain must have ticked and he asked if she was his daughter. He cried.
Of all the things I was told about how he was near the end this one hit me the hardest. These types of diseases(?) are brutal to see people go through.. Sorry for potentially making your day sadder, just the first time this story felt relevent and I kinda wanted to share.
I can't imagine the pain if my wife forgets who I am but I know I would still love her as much as I always do.
Troppin ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant my grandma. She would take me to the movies and let me pick. Didn't matter to her. Just wanted to sit next to me for 90 minutes. Spent her meager social security on a meal for me, to watch me devour it. I didn't realize at the time that while I was OK with spending time with her as a child, it was the highlight of her week.
When I was 17 and didn't see her much anymore, me and my stupid little girlfriend were driving past her retirement home and I asked if she wanted to meet my gram-gram.
Gram-gram didn't know who I was. But she looked so happy having my semi-cute girlfriend paying attention to her.
Same. When I was a kid my gram tried teaching me piano, but I was 11 and didn't care much and didn't get very far. She went into the nursing home around the time my first son was born 13 years later. I relearned piano and on Fridays I'd take my toddler to the home to be with the elderly in their community room while I played piano for the residents. Gram didn't always know that we were there for her, but she sure lit up hearing the songs from the 40s that she knew, because she'd tried teaching me versions of them 15 years before. It was a lot of work. I played for over an hour a day, but I knew it was worth it, because I was creating the memory I knew I'd be left with once gram was gone. When she passed a few years later I used some of my inheritance to buy a piano.
I can't emphasize your point enough. As a kid it can seem like a chore to spend time with your grandparents, especially if they're aren't in the best health. But you realize as you get older, and especially after losing them just how special those times were. My grandfather used to drive me to a summer job before I had my license, and while it sure seemed like a lot of needless work on his part it got him out and about and he got to spend time with me. I still miss spending that time with him, even though it's been 11 years now.
Spend time with your grandparents while you can people.
I was in the room when my grandmother, vomiting faeces because her intestines had died off, tried to say farewell to her husband of 60+ years, and he just kinda looked away and asked my mother if he could leave. No recognition of his wife remained whatsoever. She died knowing the man she shared her entire life with, had 3 children with, who took care of her when she started getting ill in her 60's and who shared her grief when they lost their 50 yr old handicapped son to a sudden heart-attack ... didn't even remember who she was.
I was only a spectator to this, and gut-wrenching doesn't even come close to describing the feeling I had. Even 5 years later, it still feels like getting hit by a truck if it crosses my mind in a unguarded moment.
If I were a religious man, I'd pray for you. As it is, I can only hope your suffering (and hers) is as limited as it can be. Take care.
Cancer and Alzheimer's runs in my family, depends on the branch. My great grandmother died surrounded by family she couldn't recognize (I'm not sure why, probably exhaustion, she'd been fighting it for a while- she didn't even recognize my grandmother, her daughter, who was also fighting anger at the time- my grandmother is mostly better now, thank god.), and my great aunt kept fighting with people because she thought my great grandmother was her sister, and she didn't know anyone else. She behaved similarly at the funeral. It was one of those things where you know it's not their fault, and its gut-wrenching to watch, but people still get angry because they are already upset.
My dad was born in 1937, immigrated to the US in the late 80's and started a family pretty late in the game. He started showing signs of Alzheimer's when I was 9 and by the time I was 14 he totally forgot who I was. I went to visit him in the hospital, and he forgot how to speak English. He spoke at least 4 different languages fluently (that I know of) and was an Engineer previously.
One day I was feeding him soup, when he said that I was "an attractive young woman and if he was my age-". My aunt (his sister) stopped him before he could finish his sentence and had to reintroduce me to him and informed him that I was his daughter. I was heartbroken.
That was the last time we spoke, because his health deteriorated quickly that summer and the next time I visited he couldn't speak at all. He was catatonic, but he still could blink and cry. I remember that sitting by his bedside talking to him and weeping my damn self. It was the worst... just a really shitty situation. I'm still not over it. Today is the 10 year anniversary of his death. I never talk about it bc I don't think anyone would understand. Alzheimer's sucks so hard. It affects so many people, people you wouldn't even expect.
Ya, that's sucks, my grand father is going through this right now. The other day he asked my grandmother when their son, who died in 2010 was coming to visit.
Both my grandfathers suffered from dementia. Having them not recognize me or my father was soul crushing. But that wasn't the worst part. The violence was. It's like they got their 20 year old stregnth back. And they were terrified and would hurt anyone who would come near them. It's hard seeing that
Years after my grandpa died she would ask where he was.... "Oh he's at work at the fire station"...he had been retired for 20-25 years but she was so far gone that that didn't matter
My mom keeps saying that her parents are coming to get her soon. I'm glad she thinks that - it would be a nice feeling to think your parents are coming to see you.
Alzheimer's took my grandfather. The worst part was that almost daily he'd ask how his sister "was doing these days." She's passed away years ago. The look of shock and grief on his face.. Every time... I will never forget it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work with some dementia patients and I feel so bad about how they're blown off by some staff, and I know that I will sound like a complete dick, but sometimes I understand why the cnas get mad when they have to tell a resident when dinner is for the tenth t time in ten minutes. I try to be as patient as I can, but it's hard
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom has Alzheimer's and my family and I went back to take care of her while my dad had surgery last month. It was very difficult. She was very agitated and confused at night. I sang her lullabies to calm her down, with limited success. She kept weeping for her own mother, who had died several years prior.
I also helped her bathe and in the bathroom. It's almost a blessing that she doesn't know who I am anymore because the old her would have been very embarrassed.
I know how much dementia sucks too.
I am a MA and caregiver and have taken care of lots of people who had dementia but one lady in particular hit me the hardest.
She wasn't only my client, she was a friend, almost like an adopted Grandma to me. I fell in love with her heart and it was terrible to see her go from really 'forgetful' to an almost empty, dim shell of who she was. It's just heartbreaking.
I started with her for 5hrs/day, then 8, then it went to 16hrs/day then to 24/7.
Last Tuesday her family decided to put her in a hospice care home. I felt sad but relieved. Totally bittersweet. But I was able to be with her during her last days at home, assure her that her cat Buddy would be ok and was able to help set her up in her new room.
Love to you and yours. It's a tough diagnosis.
kaktaez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The saddest part is that they die before they actualy do. My grandmother had dementia. She forgot who everyone was. Then she forgot what things were. Then she stops behaving like a human. I watched her go away more and more each day untill she was just living almost emotionless. Just made noises and never talked. I remmember my father playing with her on the wheelchair and she smilling. I doubt she recognised him but it made her laugh and made me so happy. She eventually died years and years after. I miss her every day of my life.
That is rough. My grandma just passed away this spring. I don't know what kind of dementia she had but she certainly had it. She could not remember that her husband passed away so she would get so angry at him for not coming home. She would tell her son that she wanted a divorce because my late grandfather was cheating on her and never came home anymore.
I am one to compartmentalize a lot. Rather than spending the end of her life upset that she wasn't the person I knew anymore, I accepted who she had become. However, that grief is inescapable. The night she passed. All the memories of who I knew before her dementia flooded back to me.
My grandmother had Alzheimer's and I couldn't even talk to her for the last years of her life, since she was an immigrant who learned English later in life -- so she forgot English, and could only speak Russian, which my father never taught me. So I have no real memories of my grandmother, except for playing pool one time with my uncle acting as translator.
Yep I too hate it. I watched someone who I viewed as a grandma and who saw me grow up slip away. A few months before if she saw me anywhere she would approach me and give me a hug and ask how I was doing. When her husband passed last month I went to the memorial service and gave her a hug she did not hug me back. When I pulled away she had this look of terror on her face like if a complete stranger had just hugged her. Her son who I knew had to tell her who I was. I then realized that I had lost two people I cared about that month.
My great grandfather thought my dad and I were going to kill him and kidnap my great grandmother. He cried and started yelling at me to not hurt my grandma, to this day I remember how he looked at me.
That was our last christmas together in 2008. Dementia is awful, sorry you had to witness it OP.
Fuck. My grandma is on this path. Seen it happen to my step moms mother, terrible shit. I'd say this is the worst disease.
speshnz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel for you man.
I was lucky i guess, i was one of the last people my Great Grandmother forgot. We were super close and it was a really shit way to go out. The worse bit for me was the bit at the start where she started losing her marbles but was together enough to realise she was actually losing her marbles
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please do not watch Black Mirror - Playtest. It's terrifying, and has to do with this. Not being sarcastic. If you ever get into that show, skip over that episode.
My grandfather had Alzheimers and I would watch him everyday during his last summer. Every single day I would spend from 8-5 with him so that he wouldn't wander off or hurt himself. I would worry every night when I left him and another family member would take over.
One day, as I was leaving, he asked "who are you?" I said I was his grandson, and he said "oh yeah", but you could tell he wasn't sure.
That broke my heart and was gut wrenching.
I had to remind him everyday that his wife had died, and I saw his heart break everyday at the news.
I know how you feel Troppin, Alzheimers is terrible. But, I am glad that I got to spend that summer with him, best summer of my life.
bestem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day, as I was leaving, he asked "who are you?" I said I was his grandson, and he said "oh yeah", but you could tell he wasn't sure.
I was a nanny around the time my mom had Alzheimer's. The kids' mom worked 4 nights a week in a bar, including Saturday, and then Sunday morning. So I'd leave for their house around lunch on Saturday, and wouldn't get back until dinner on Sunday (it was stupid to come home at 3 am only to be back there at 7 am). I still remember the Sunday I came home and walked in, and dinner was just about to start so I pulled out my chair at the table, and my mom said "Who is this?" I just walked outside and cried on the porch because I couldn't handle it.
There were times, both before and after that, when she would refer to me as her friend. They weren't as bad, because at least she knew I was someone in her life. But for her to have no frame of reference for me at all, when she knew everyone else at the table, made me feel like if I hadn't been at the kids' house all weekend, maybe she wouldn't have forgotten me yet.
My grandmother passed away from this in 2008. She was diagnosed in 2004.
My mother lost our house to hurricanes the same year my grandmother was diagnosed and offered to stay with her during the early years of the disease.
Background: My grandmother married her hometown boyfriend (my grandfather) when she was 18 and remained married for 60+ years before he passed away. Together they had 4 boys and 4 girls (one passed from SIDS).
These were some of the events most notable:
- She use to think my uncle was her boyfriend. She once came out in a nighty once and tried to seduce my uncle. He didn't return to her house after that.
- The rest of my uncles she didn't remember and was very hostile towards them. It was usually "who's that stranger in my house! Get out or I'll call the police!"
- She thought my mother was her mother (no resemblance) and that I was her son. My name changed almost daily and none repeated or were anyone from the family.
- She had multiple boyfriends and couldn't recall anything of my grandfather. That hurt my mother because she use to love witnessing how much my grandfather loved her. From what I've been told it's what many of us look for in a relationship.
- She use to feed her two cats every 10 minutes. By that I mean she would chop up wet cat food, place it on the ground and walk away. A couple minutes later she would pick up the food and throw it away. Then repeat the process until she was out of cat food.
- (my favorite) late in the evening, midnight to 3AM (there's a term for this I can't recall), she would try to leave the house because her boyfriends were outside picking her up for a date. One even tried to pick her up in a boat! We lived about 20miles from a body of water. (I can't recall his name) asked her to celebrate their holy union after a week. We made cupcakes to celebrate. Midway eating a cupcake she became upset and cussed my mother out.
Eventually she became more of a recluse in her room and in her mind. During these stories she was in the early/mid point of the disease. Once she was admitted to a retirement home specifically for those with the disease; she eventually became a breathing body trapped in a chair. Lord only knows what was going through her mind during this process.
This was an eye opening experience. I was fairly close to my grandmother, but after witnessing this I'm not sure if I could go through this with my mother or a closer relative. My condolences to you u/Troppin as I can't imagine going through this process with someone whom I deeply loved and cared for, such as a significant other. Seriously, works can't express.
I'm sitting with my mom right now. She doesn't remember my son's name. He's 5 and thinks she's being funny when he corrects her, but it's tearing me up inside.
She's very, very recently been officially diagnosed with dementia, but we knew it's been there for a dozen years.
Love your parents if they've earned it. Touring memory care homes and talking about their end-of-life care abilities sucks.
Serious question. Have there been studies about how the victims feel through it all? It was terrifying seeing my grandmother go through it but was that because i was lucid enough to be aware of what was happening? Was she just jumping around from one disconnected thought to another apathetically unaware of what was going on?
bestem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if there have been any studies. I know my mom was in an Alzheimer's support group, Every Wednesday morning, until things got bad enough that we put her in a daycare, she and around 30 other people who had Alzheimer's would meet and talk about... I don't even know. I never asked her. These people all had various levels of the disease. But they knew enough that they could talk about it to other people, even if they didn't know who the people who brought them to the meeting and picked them up again were.
Ya. It is gut wrenching to see grandma ask dad who is he and thought that he was my dad friend .
She still remember my little brother, at the very least , but it really suck seeing her slowly forget who every one was and wondering why she is in a white room and in bed, unable to move.
I watched my Papa die from Alzheimers. When I was very little, I remember him loving to play the video poker handheld games. When I was 14 (the year he died), I bought him one and brought it to him at the VA hospital.
He put it up to his face and tried to shave with it.
That was one of the first clear memories I have of understanding how devastating the disease is.
My grandmother was afflicted with it during the last few years of her life, luckily it wasn't full blown Alzheimer's like some people experience, but just enough to make her forget the words for common things, which was pretty horrible to watch her struggle to speak full sentences. I can't even imagine the pain of having to reintroduce yourself to them every time you see them. I gotta stop because I'm starting to cry at work. Not good.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the worst part. My granny is losing her memory and it honestly doesn't bother me when she asks the same question 10 times or loses her cane again, what bothers me is when she realizes she doesn't know something she used to.
The confusion on her face and frustration in her voice guts me.
I wonder if it's best for them to know that they are diagnosed. I've noticed it causes a depression in the person living with the disease.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:54:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is best for them to be personally aware of the disease and such, however my main point was that it's hard to see them struggle with themselves, *knowing what the disease is doing to them. We can only love and support them through it best we can I guess.
It's is I'm new seeing it with my grandmother. And it seemed as soon as she was diagnosed she just kinda has this, oh we'll just waiting to go kinda attitude. Just seems so sad. Almost given up attitude.
She watched her father fade the same way. I try to make jokes and lighten the situation. Shes worried shell take off Wonder from the house, so I tell just tell her I'll join her and we'll go for a stroll till we want to go back. Not there yet. I go by a few times a week to be company and help out with my grandfather who's seems to be trying his hardest to hold it together and quite honestly don't know what to expect. But it's sad to see how quick the glow goes
This is my grandmother. She knows something is wrong, but she doesn't know how to fix it. We try to calm her fears, it doesn't work cause she knows this isn't normal.
JPTawok ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst are the sudden moments of clarity, when they're like
"You know, this sucks. I know you're losing me. Just know I'll always love you and I can't help it"
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:33:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly. To quote my great aunt, "I suppose I can't recall much of anything anymore" followed by a sigh. It's so sad.
It's even worse when they're full aware of their condition and what's going on.
My mom was in denial as she slipped away but now that she has mostly diminished mentally I do not think she has a clue anything is wrong with her. She seems to have a vague sense of disquiet, that something is not quite right, but she cannot figure it out (she rarely knows what city she is in anymore).
I count it as a blessing that she seems to be unaware of what she has lost. Perhaps it may be different for others.
It is those around her who can see how diminished she is that it is really hard on.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:35:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a few months ago my grandma said to me "I'm losing my mind." Just straight up. I didn't even know what to say.
Now she's asking the same thing every few minutes and last time I visited she asked me why I hadn't brought my "friend" (husband) along. I wonder how long it will be until I walk in and she asks who I am.
akerson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much this. I remember when my grandfather told me that he felt his mind slipping away and how it terrified him. He barely can hold a conversation now. It terrifies me now.
One of my aunts died from alzheimers probably 20 years ago now. I was too young to really understand at the time, but I still remember the last time they had a birthday party for her. Whole family was there, and she couldn't remember who anyone was. Brothers, nieces, nephews, you name it. She started crying from the fact she couldn't remember any of us, and the party ended up being called pretty early.
My dad has been suffering from cancer for the last 5 years..He battled this like a fucking champ. Through all the multiple chemo, operation and treatment. Even if I don't want to believe it he's losing the battle. He's getting so thin and it's getting harder everyday for him. But he's holding on to see my sister and me get our bachelor at least. Only one year left and I'll have it. I'm so proud of him for holding on fot so long and so proudly. On top of that my sister and me both studies in different city far away from our mom and him. He's slowly dying and I can't even be here for him during all of this. Life suck so much, sometimes it can get so lonely. I can just hope I'll be happy again someday. Pretty sure this will get drown in the see of comments but I just wanted to say I get you man. It hurt so much to see someone you love suffer for so long. Also I never wrote to anybody like that so thanks for taking time to read whoever you are.
Wouldn't it be worse if they didn't know about the affliction? Not trolling, serious question.
bestem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:37:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom threw straight up temper tantrums before she was diagnosed. She knew things weren't clicking right in her head, and she couldn't vocalize the problem, and it was frustrating, and just like a toddler, she reacted in the only way she could at the time.
Once she was diagnosed, those all stopped. There was a reason for it now. Things didn't always click right in her head, but she could point to a reason why they weren't.
It's similar with the brain cancer my dad has. Forgets names, gets angry easier. He knows he's different but he can't do anything about it. The treatment and the effects of the tumor changed his personality and memory. Makes me cry.
When my paternal grandfather got alzheimers after having his pacemaker battery replaced and was sent to a retirement home I never visited him. I loved the guy to bits but I just didn't want to tarnish my memory of the fun farmer with the heavy southern accent.
Worst moment during my grandfathers final days is when we moved him into a newer, better, nursing home. We told him it was his new home and Nan was in the other room.
He asked us, "Will i be here for life"
Some days he was really in it and new what was happening, others he completely forgot everything.
I work as a Nurse on a floor that specializes in Alzheimers, Dementia and over all geriatric cognitive decline. In no way do I envy the people I take care of or their families. It's is so frightening and I tell my daughters the second I bring home more milk than required in a week set me free into the woods and never look back. I sincerely hope the right to die legislation in Canada hurries it's ass a long because a large portion of the people I take care of do not want to be alive and unfortunately are no longer even allowed to make that choice should they opt for it.
njeXshn ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:16:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm currently going through this with my mother. Just recently had her diagnosed. It's completely flipped both our lives upside down, and it's not even in the worst stages.
She still knows who I am and remembers names. But her short term memory is fucked. I have to have the same conversation with her multiple times a day.
I have no idea what to do when this gets unmanageable.
Fuck this goddamn disease.
My grandmother, in her final stages, regressed to her childhood self, and thought that I was her brother Jack. Her brother was a RAF pilot who died during WW2. She couldn't remember who her own children were by that point.
It's devastating watching it undo everything that makes a person who they are.
I work with them too. It sucks for family, and workers too. Hard to try to get someone to calm.and relax when they dont know you, where they are or why they are there.
I'm a PhD student trying to find Alzheimer's treatments right now, and I also watched my grandpa succumb to the disease. Being a caregiver, or even just seein a family member suffer like that can be very hard. There are a lot of great resources at the Alzheimer's Association, and you can also donate to research if you're so inclined!
My grandfather has been getting worse very slowly over the past 7-10 years, but in the past month he's forgotten who my sister was, woke up next to his wife of 25 years forgetting they were married and being very uncomfortable being in bed with her, and just in general seems to have begun declining very quickly. I'm so grateful we had as long as we did since finding out, but man this last month has been hard on me.
I am not trying to be negative, simply curious. Why not put them down if they are basically being overwritten by a disease that gets worse as time passes? I'm sure their medical costs at their age are more expensive than the procedure, and both parties won't have to suffer. Death will come one way or another.
rhialto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This girl I know pretty much has an assured chance of developing Alzheimer's. She writes a memory she loved to have with her boyfriend everyday so she always has them, even when she forgets.
veeeSix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you. My girlfriend's grandpa has it. His wife was in a six month long coma and finally they let her go maybe a month ago. The old man doesn't ask where grandma is very often, but when he does he asks when she's coming back.
It's pretty sad that he doesn't remember even after you explain it to him.
Yea. My grandma died 4 days ago and she had it. At least my mom could be there with her and it was something we all expected.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's painful to see with my grandma. She can't remember what she did yesterday, but she recognized me and my family every time we see her, and if you whip out some old photos from the 80's she recognizes every single person. It really is a weird thing.
Seriously. I work in therapy and seeing people with early onset dementia is heartbreaking. I recently had a guy in his early 50s who was already in a bad way. Could barely communicate, couldn't safely walk, relied on his wife for everything and basically followed her around the house all day. I don't think most people realize just how bad it gets.
My grandfather had alzheimers for 6 years, before he passed yesterday of pneumonia, my grandmother took full care of him and worked so hard to keep him out of a nursing home so we could keep our beautiful cottage, their home forever. He became unresponsive on the second night in the hospital, when my whole (small, close) family was around his bed, my grandma told him it was okay to leave now and a second later he took his last breath. Hard working man, will never forget him. rip frank
To the person it pretty much is the same as dreaming while awake, you forget most of them and only remember the ones you either woke up during or were really stand out.
My da recently passed away because of Alzheimer's and there was a brief period before he was bedridden where he was terrified of me and my sister because he didn't know who we were. Absolutely one of the worst things to happen to someone. And it always progresses so quickly.
Ehh seeing your dad die from cancer in just a couple of weeks is just as sad. Watching someone you love say "im not ready to go to the hospice yet" is one of the hardest things to ever hear.
Unfortunately the problem is they're just too complex for a single cure to work all the time. Darn you complex biology!!!!
Tymerc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It happened to my dad's mom. He always tells me about how great of a mother she was along with many other things and all I can think about is how devastating it had to be to basically be forgotten by someone you loved and respected throughout your life.
Flylite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was obsessed with ww2 Nazi movies after he was diagnosed. He watched the same movie 4 times in a row, non stop. My mom walked in and said, "This must be a really good movie." He responded with, "I've never seen this movie before." It's horrifying to see that, and only getting worse and worse from there.
If it makes you feel any better the only time I ever saw my grandmother happy was when she thought it was fifty years ago and her husband was still alive
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom saw her own mother succumb to Alzheimer's and she has flatly told us to kill her if she ever gets it
My dad is one of the most intelligent, sharpest people I've ever known (he's 59). Every time I've seen him this past year, he's had these major memory lapses in conversation, and I'm so afraid it's early stages of Alzheimers. I think my heart will break if I have to see him go through that.
Even someone who isn't really a 'loved one', seeing that is really sad.
My step grandmother (my grandpa remarried after my grandmother died - before I was born) on my mother's side died a few years after her condition deteriorated due to Alzheimer's.
I never really knew her well - we lived on the other side of the country, and then overseas for most of my life - and so I didn't particularly feel any connection to her.
But I still remember visiting her and my grandpa, and watching as she pointed at the clock on the wall and said 'it's time to go home now', and went towards the door.
My grandpa had to gently guide her and try to explain, without scaring her, this is your home. This is where you live, with me, your husband.
My mum, dad, and brother kind of just awkwardly sat there not knowing what we could, or should, say or do.
Damn, he loved her so much.
My mum and her sisters and brother eventually convinced him that he needed to find a nursing home to take her.
They were both still living in the house my mum and her siblings grew up in, where my grandma died.
He was taking care of both of them, and getting help from a nurse who visited often, but it was getting too much.
He's still living there by himself now though, at 90 years old. Just him and his garden and his dogs.
It is, subjectively to me, one of the most horrifying ways to go. You stop being who you are long before you die. My nan recently passed away and had it in her final years. She would shout at us, cry, claim we were abusing her, claim nurses were hurting her, forget who we were, ask where her husband (11 years deceased) was or say he had been visiting her earlier, and frequently ask to be killed. This in between occasional moments of lucidity where she would be so happy we were visiting her and thankful for our presence. It gets to the point where you think 'better off dead' as terrible as it is.
So yes, this is what I want from this thread.
MILLIGEN ยท 214 points ยท Posted at 15:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, this hits hard. I'm slowly witnessing my Dad's mom go through this and what hurts me the most is seeing my Dad struggle with how to deal with her and trying to do whats best for her all while still working for us (our family).
Good luck and I wish your family the best. Try as much as possible to remember and be grateful for the person they were before, not the person they become.
Are we the same person? My dad's mom has Alzheimer's too and it's so hard on my dad to take necessary steps to provide her with care and provide for our family at the same time. My grandmother has been given less than half a year to live and, as terrible as this is, I sometimes find myself wishing that she would die sooner to put her (and my dad) out of this misery. I know she wouldn't want to live like this.
Yrusul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear ya. Same here, my father's mom also had Alzeihmer (among other nasties that come with old age).
She was somewhat lucid most of the time, but other times she could'nt remember any of the persons she used to know. I spent very little time with her before she passed away, but my father would often visit her and he'd tell me how both awkward and helpless he'd feel around her, not sure how to react to how she was behaving.
One time, out of nowhere, she called my dad. He thought maybe there was something wrong with her and that the caretakers called him to warn him (since she'd almost never call anyone, usually).
Turns out she wanted to "remind him not to forget his tennis lesson". The last time my father had tennis lessons, he was 14. But somehow, she forgot that her son was over 50 now. I don't think I ever saw my father getting so sad from just a phone call.
My family is going through the same thing. My grandma had issues before, but her dementia has made caring for her so much harder. I hope you and your family are able to help her and still keep a quality life for yourselves.
This is why, as a memory care nurse, I try my hardest to make sure my residents are smiling and happy. I don't care how ridiculous I look as I dance my way down the hallway to meet my residents or put on some silly outfit. If I can turn their frown or tears into a smile and laugh then my job is worthwhile. I have one resident who can no longer talk, but her smile is communication enough to let me know she is enjoying her new life. However, my residents aren't the only ones I look after. Their families are just as important so I try to be there for their support as well. I love my job (most days)!
Edit: Thanks so much for the kind words and the gold! Everyone deserves to be happy and live their best life. I am simply doing something I love by helping people reach that goal. If you want to help with Alzheimers research, dont be afraid to get out there and support some local organizations. We also LOVE volunteers on memory care units and donated items!
Thank you for what you do. My gramma has dementia and while she's not violent, she is very hard to care for. I couldn't do this on a large scale. You're good people.
Edril ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are an angel and deserve all the thanks in the world for what you do.
Wow you are an absolute angel. I needed to read this. Thank you for everything that you do to bring happiness to those who need it!
Acrolith ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:30:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you deal with the people in your charge passing away (I assume this happens fairly regularly)? I've never understood how nurses can handle making human connections and losing them, over and over. I have the greatest respect for those capable of doing this, because I don't think I could deal with it.
Not OP, but I'm a severe memory care CNA who sees her residents all the way through hospice to end of life. It isn't exactly easy, but the connection you make with your patients and residents is different than the ones you have in your outside life. If you want to stay in the field, you tend to be good at or get good at checking things at the door. I've had many patients pass away with whom I worked for several years. I poured my heart into making them happy, would sit there for four hours singing to someone to calm them down until the sun came up because they were afraid of the dark outside, hear they passed, and do nothing more than sign off on the paperwork and prep the room for the next person.
I don't mean for this to sound callous. I loved those residents. I was with them for 50-60 hours a week for months or even years. I knew their ups and downs, I could make them smile and laugh when their own children couldn't, and I endured my fair share of screaming and biting and hitting because sometimes it just happens.
People die. There is no way around it. Some people die in a lot of pain, alone and without knowing what's going on. Some are as comfortable as possible and surrounded by people they love and trust. All you can do is try to make sure your patients are in the second category. If you want to work in hospice, you need to be able to show compassion but cap your empathy. It sounds horrible, but it's how you keep good caregivers from burning out.
It's completely reasonable. My mom wasn't a hospice worker, but she was a nurse (retired now), and she worked various types of nursing over the course of her career. Her last job before she retired was in a nursing home, and she said much the same thing. She'd have alzheimer's patients who were former Sunday school or kindergarten teachers, who never swore a day in their lives, suddenly screaming profanities at her and calling her a whore. And their children and family members would be completely horrified, immediately apologizing for what had just taken place. And mom would just let it roll off her back and assure them that it was fine, that this happens all the time, that it's the disease, it's not their loved one. It was the best she could do to reassure them.
Seeing them suffer makes it much easier to let them go when they die. We know life wasn't any fun for them anymore. I feel selfish crying for my favorite patients passing.
Just knowing that I made sure they passed away peacefully. I love that I have the time to hold their hand, tell them about the day, let them know they are loved. I pau close attention to their hygiene as well..making sure they are groomed and cleaned. It is always hard but I try to remember that they are now at peace and no longer silently suffering.
Nursing and patient care is now a holistic approach meaning you take care of the person as a whole. The reason why our residents thrive is because we take care of their emotional needs. I am so saddened to hear that your girlfriend's facility does not value the importance of emotional support. I would tell her to keep doing what she is doing. I would never work for a place that doesn't appreciate emotional well-being. I hope she continues the fight and I know for a fact the patients ans families appreciate it!
You are a saint. My 91 year old Grandma suffers with dementia and my folks and I have her in our care at home. I can honestly say that I could not be a nurse and/or a caregiver whatsoever. It is a heartbreaking job to take care of a loved one who is losing their memory and becoming a shell of their former selves.
Folks like you deserve a lot of credit to work like that, day in and day out. Thank you.
I'm a touring stand up comic, and for years I've been trying to find an assisted living center let me perform for Alzheimer's patients. Getting good at stand up and working out bits takes a lot of repetition, and it seems to me that entertaining people who need to be entertained and who won't tire of material being told over and over again is a win-win for both parties.
Like patch adams, but with old people. Youre amazing.
j-Trane ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, those families appreciate it more than they could ever express. The only thing that made watching my grandma go through this bearable was the wonderful team of people that I knew were taking care of her when we were not there. That were giving up their weekends and holidays to make my grandma smile.
Thank you so much for what you do. My mom is in a nursing home right now, I've had to manage everything long distance, and they've been absolutely great in helping me get a team together to help my mom. The work you do is amazing. You guys and teachers don't get paid enough.
Your comment made me sob. My grandmother passed away in 2005 after 10+ years of Alzheimer's stealing her away. I would've done anything to have a nurse like you care for her. I don't have adequate words to express my thankfulness for what you do. I hope that you get every beautiful thing in this life that you deserve. Thank you.
I am so unbelievabley sorry for the loss of your grandmother. Many people don't realize that you are losong your loves one well before they actually pass. Once the disease takes over, it is a struggle for family to grieve while also needing to be there for their loved one. My condolences go out to you and your family and may your grandmother now rest in peice.
I hope you don't get sick of people responding to this by thanking you and telling you that you are a good person for this. Because this is amazing and you deserve praise for this.
ravia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people will cry. It is helpful to tell them that it is good to have the ability to cry, and that that is a good thing. I told that to some residents who responded well to it (when they cried).
linka32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's really nice and refreshing to read!!! I hope to have a nurse or CNA like you when I get to that point. Don't get burned out!! You rock!!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are patients allowed to have their own computer or tablet?
I'm dreading getting old and having to sit in some old folks home, watching Fox news or similar. I'm a gamer and I can't fathom not being able to use my PC.
Absolutely! Our facility allows any personal items including their own TVs, stereoes, headphones and ipods. No reason gaming cant be allowed. We don't currently have any gamers but we have a harmonica player! We let the resident play their harmonica whenever they want, it is actually a great tool to help them lessen their anxiety they may be having at any given time.
You can contact any skilled assisted living facility near you to offer volunteer work. Some may require training, but not all. Donated items such as dolls, doll clothes and accessories, gawdy type jewlery, clean dish towels and washcloths( things residents can fold), coffee table type books with a lot of pictures, cds with oldies music (music elderly would recognize), arrs and crafts supplies such as markers and paints, books, magazines. The list is endless!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother suffers from dementia, and it has kicked my ass to go back to school to become a personal support worker, and I'm also interested in the certificate for dementia/alzheimers care. My grandmother is my best friend, always has been always will be, and although I try my best to stay positive it is heart wrenching to see her back to almost like a child state. I want to be exactly what you described you are. If I can bring joy into the moments of loneliness and confusion, then that's what I need to do.
Thank you for your work. My Grandmother is currently in a Memory-Care unit in an assisted living facility. Obviously being 99 with memory problems isn't fun, but the staff at that place have reserves of grace and care that I can't even imagine and I really really appreciate that they are there to help take care of my Grandmother. I try to thank them but it's hard to convey how much I appreciate it. Thank you too.
Thank you so much for what you do. My sister's godmother died from Alzheimer's. She was married to my mom's cousin, so she was part of our family since before any of us kids were even a twinkle in our parents' eyes. When I was 47 (going back about six years), she was visiting us, and after a short bit of greeting everyone, she looked at me and said, "Now, how do I know you? Did I teach you out at the high school?" I didn't even know what to say, I was stunned - she'd known me since I was born. About three months later, my sister went to another family gathering, and by this time, she didn't recognize my sister at all - her own goddaughter. It broke our hearts, and she passed away a few years after that.
You're such a good person. The littlest things bring them joy.
We were visiting my husband's grandma in a memory care facility and I had my 2 year old with me. We went to the cafeteria and said hi to so many people who were so excited to see him and talk to him. We would walk out, make a lap around the building, and go back in. Every time, nobody remembered him, and everybody was so excited again.
It felt nice to cheer them up, and was a great way for my son to work on social skills like greetings and goodbyes with people he soon felt familiar with.
Thank you so so much. When my grandma was in hospice with dementia caused by the pain she was in from late stage cancer, I realized what true heroes nurses are. You sound like you truly go above and beyond.
I'm currently studying to go into geriatric physical therapy, and one thing that always strikes me is the utterly understaffed SNF's. You are a fucking angel. Thank you for what you do.
Yes, we are typically running short on nurses and CNAs the days I work, and most facilities are the same unfortunately. Thank you for the appreciation :)
Bless you and everyone else doing the same! It was so difficult caring for my grandmother and now my mother. We've had lots of home care nurses and CNAs and the ones with smiles and genuine compassion really meant a lot to all of us.
You are an angel. I am taking your words to heart and will try to help my mom find joy even as she dissolves into Alzheimer's. It's already been three years and I miss who my mom was each and every day even though she is right here with me.
Thank you for doing this. My grandmother is currently in a nursing home because her dementia became too much for me, her caretaker, to handle. You're the kind of nurse that makes her - and my - day because I know she's being well taken care of. Thank you for everything you do.
Honestly the NHS nurses who cared for her were simply incredible. She was very difficult to deal with and they just did so much to make her comfortable. I could never imagine doing that. Several of them even attended the funeral.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It takes a very special kind of person to do that work, one I couldn't be.
Palinhe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is indeed one of the worst ways to go, you lose your identity, who you are, and that's terrifying.
My granddad very recently past away and he suffered from Alzheimer and stage 3 cancer.
The past year and a half were the hardest, he completely forgot who i was ( grandchild) and I couldn't explain i was his grandson because he couldn't even remember my mum. I remember having him crying on my shoulder one time when he was aware of it all, it completely broke my heart...
He was and is the person that i most respected in this world, and watching him slowly turn to nothing, it's something that I won't wish anyone to see a love one go through.
Sounds exactly like my my nana before she passed, I was the only one she liked seeing, because she thought i was her husband. I look exactly like my grandfather I never met, so she would light up and call me Jerry (my name is sean) and be so happy. I was torn, on one hand I loved that I could give her some happiness, but on the other It killed me that she didn't remember I was her grandson and had no memories of me.
I worked at a nursing home, spent alott of time in the dementia and alzheimers level. It was eye opening(16 at the time). There was one lady who would wait by the phone every day and she would always say that her mother was going to call her any moment(she was 85). It was heart wrenching. Then another lady would walk around the dining area passing out turds she pulled from her pants. It was not something id want to go through again
My aunt has dementia/alzheimer's (not sure which is the official diagnosis atm). At the early stages she thought I'm her granddaughter. Now she no longer remembers her children or the fact she was married for over 50 years.
She constantly talks of her mother (60 years dead) as if she's still alive. She doesn't remember she sold her childhood home, but always wants to go there.
My mother visits her every other day, and seeing her sister forget her whole life breaks her heart. My uncle refused the memory problems until his death. It's a cruel twist of fate his passing made her condition immediately worse. Now, when visiting his grave my aunt doesn't even know his name, much less they were married.
Losing my own identity like that has become my worst fear. I do not fear dying at all, but losing my memory terrifies me.
At age 65 my grandmother bought a bottle of sleeping pills in case she ever got alzheimer's. Luckily she passed away in peace while petting her cat just 2 months ago, at the grand age of 90.
This makes me almost physically ill - not because I'm judging her for doing so, but because my heart breaks for her ๐ข
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandma has alzheimer for about 2 or 3 years, and the disease progressed really fast, it's very very very heartbreaking, she can't remember almost anyone except my mom. And last week we discovered she has cancer on her uterus so some people of my family are relieved she will die soon because at least she will be resting and in peace.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Grandma is in her 90s and physically as healthy as can be expected but mentally she's been gone for years. We visited when my wife and I had our first child and my grandma needed some prompting, but she sort of had a vague idea that this was a newborn in her family. She held her for a bit and (I hope) got a little joy from it. Our 2nd was born 4 weeks ago and my parents (who visit her every other week) said my grandma doesn't recognize or even remember any of her own kids or really much of anything anymore. It hurts quite a bit not to be able to convey to my grandma that she's got another great-grandchild.
I'm watching my mom die before she dies. It's horrible. And she's only 67, so now it's got me thinking about early retirement because my job is mentally taxing and I suspect I'll be a bigger burden than help at work long before 65 ๐
It seems horrifying for everyone else, but I don't know that the person experiencing it really knows what's going on 99% of the time. The bouts of lucidity are probably painful, but once they phase out of that it's not like it keeps bothering them.
Ever have that few seconds of confusion and disorientation after waking up in an unfamiliar place, say a hotel room? Imagine that having that feeling continuously for the better part of your day. Different people with ALZ react differently, some with apathy and disinterest, some with intense fear and paranoia.
My great grandmother just passed, she was 95, and she had it. Didn't recognize me at all. I was 24 when she passed and had been in her life quite frequently. It was sad that I couldn't be part of her life that last year, she was such a lovely person, never missed a birthday. I knew she was getting out of touch a few years before because when I was 22 she gave me a Tonka truck for my birthday. That was the last birthday she ever remembered... I miss her so much, we used to go bowling all the time and even at the age of 88 she was kicking my ass. We would go to the senior center and dance, oh how she just loved to dance. I almost wish she passed quickly and not dragged through her final years not knowing who any of us were.
One of my fondest memories from my child hood (I'm 19- so I was 7) was visiting my great grandmother in her nursing home.
She used to live in our 2 family home, my father bought our house just for her so she could be close to us and we could take care of her but she would spend all hours of the day yelling at us and cursing. At one point it became too much and we sent her off to the nursing home.
We visited her and she never remembered any of us but my father. (Her grandson). She would talk about her husband visiting her and how much she missed him even though he had been dead for ~20 years.
I used to work with elderly, I remember one of my colleagues that was in work placement training same time as me telling me that as he was brought into his first dementia ward his boss called out loudly
It's so horrible. My dad aunt and uncle are both in the same nursing home on the same wing and they don't even recognize each other after being married for 40+ years. That's about as sad as it gets for me.
His grandmother had it too and she used to throw out the mail thinking it was for someone else, get lost walking to the corner. What the hell kind of existence is that.
All the physical pain I can imagine doesn't scare me as much as having my brain deteriorate
This is where I think people should be able to make plans to "die with dignity". My grandmother suffered from dementia but she wasn't scared or sad. She was just a little confused. But if someone is suffering and scared, they should be able to choose to go when they are lucid and surrounded by loved ones. A cure would be a much better solution but for now, this would be a nice step for families and patients.
I don't have a lot of experience with Alzheimer's, but a family friend passed away from ALS a few years back. From what I know that is an equally horrifying way to go. She had arranged for her passing in advance, and there was even a speech written by herself in her own memorial. Devastating.
Alzheimer's and ALS are my two no-no diagnosises. As in, if I'm ever diagnosed with them, I'm taking a few weeks to sort my stuff out and then ending my life on my own terms while I still can. Absolutely evil diseases.
This really makes me think about what memory means to people. A moment passes but memory is something that stays with us for as long as people remember. We meet our friends and most of the time we either remake new memories or reminisce about the good old days. All of our actions are based on our past memories.
This is why it is so sad to see it wither away from somebody, because we see what we know as a human being fall apart.
I am now drunk and having talked about what happiness means to a person tonight, this really makes me think about what we, as human beings are made of. Sorry if I am being insensitive.
Foxman49 ยท 474 points ยท Posted at 14:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even an effective treatment would be a significant milestone
My dad is a very high ranking executive at a major pharmaceutical corporation and has given me the inside scoop on this. Alzheimer's treatments are being worked on VIGOROUSLY right now, as is diabetes. They know that whichever company comes out with a sufficient Alzheimer's treatment is going to make so much money so quite a few companies are essentially racing to get one invented.
Very true. I'm an engineer in the industry and we stopped investigating a potential treatment recently based on clinical trial results. That molecule was in development for over a decade. I only was working with the medical device portion for 6 months or so, but I can only imagine the disappointment from the hundreds of folks working on the molecule for years. I know that tears were shed when we found out the CT results.
It might not be exactly what /u/freepopper was talking about, but one of the major problems with curing/treating Alzheimer's is we don't actually know what causes it. We know certain things are involved in some way though. There's a protein involved called amyloid-beta (Aฮฒ), which forms aggregates, and these aggregates can form deposits on the brain, known as plaques. Several big pharma companies developed "plaque-buster" drugs, however, clinical trials for these drugs had to be terminated early due to negative patient outcomes.
Basically the molecule didn't meet its primary endpoint of the trial. ELi5: Before a trial begins you get a lot of people in a room and decide "ok so why defines success of this trial" and they create a goal for that specific trial (based on a lot of technical and scientific expertise, not just the marketing team). Although the drug likely helped many people, you can't market it to the masses if only a small percentage found it effective. The regulatory bodies wouldn't allow that - you need to prove its effective. There is a potential to study why it worked for that subset of people, but the cost/benefit ratio was apparently not high enough. In other words, the costs of looking into that further are trumped by another molecule's potential to help more people.
There was a drug that had great promise breaking down beta amyloid plaque, however in clinical testing in humans it caused inflammation of the meninges and a few people died. Not sure if that is the one he is talking about.
I couldn't remember off the top of my head. It was mentioned in a book called Ending Ageing, it was discussing how Alzheimer's is one of the long term degenerative diseases we have to tackle if we want to end ageing.
True, also the NIH funds Alzheimers research at a substantially higher payline (meaning grants that don't score as well also get funded) compared to other projects. Hopefully in this century some highly effective treatments are developed.
Yep. Really all of the "old person diseases" that people are getting at higher rates as we live longer are sort of the next barrier to be broken by medicine.
I work in Alzheimer's research and it seems that early detection is the main focus rather than a cure. Early intervention is the best course of action for such a complex disorder.
Shit, I'd settle for earlier detection. I want to KNOW I'm fucked before I eat a bullet. Don't want to get spooked and just do it because I'm stressed and shit's slipping my mind.
bestem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:53:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom had early-onset Alzheimer's (she was diagnosed before she turned 50), which they believe has a larger genetic component than other forms.
Every time I forget something I think I should know, I worry a little. I was at work one day, and completely blanked on the password I had used to log in to everything I needed in the store for the previous 7 years. Before working for the company, I had used the same password for 7 years before that, in an online game. This is a password I had been using dozens of times a day for a decade and a half, and I couldn't remember it at all. In my head, I was freaking out a little, but I changed my password and went on with my workday. I got home and told a friend or two about how much it worried me. A week later, I'm at work, and try to log in with the old password, because now I remembered it again.
Right now I worry that it's a possibility, and when I forget things, I worry a little more, but... it's still just a possibility. If I knew, instead of it being a possibility... every time I forgot something, even normal forgetting that everyone does day in and day out, I would think it was the beginning of the end. And normally, I really like knowing things. Knowing something generally gives me comfort, even if it's not the best news, because I have something concrete there. In this one case though, knowing would just cause dread.
I don't want to know. Not unless there's a cure, or I've actually started progressing. I want it to stay merely a possibility for as long as it can.
I heard an NPR interview a few weeks ago where they're pretty sure they've figured out a way to screen for it before you start becoming symptomatic. Apparently you start developing the disease 10-20 years before the symptoms start. Because people aren't getting treatment until they're displaying symptoms, they're hoping that this pre screening and starting treatment after identifying it then will show increased effectiveness. The doctor who developed the screening thinks it's about 5 years away from being approved for use.
Having watched my grandmother suffer for her last five years before she fell last April and passed a week later, I wish it would get approved right away so my family can start getting screened and treated ASAP. My father and his sisters are terrified of going the way of their mother.
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that this disease could be cured in the next 20 years or so. Same with MS and Parkinson's. There's a huge amount of funding for the research of all these diseases and that bodes well for treatments and cures. But when those all get cured, it'll be some other scary ass brain degenerating disease we all have to worry about.
Came here for this kind of comment. The CDC published six pillars on how to keep your brain active, I can't find it on mobile right now, but it basically comes down to diet and (mental/physical) exercise
As somebody in medicine, it's incredibly difficult to get patients to make huge lifestyle changes. Especially in a 15-30 min appointment where you also have to check up on everything else (meds status, concerns, etc.). Lifestyle changes to help Alzheimers are great and should be done more, but they don't get down to the biology of Alzheimers, which we're still working to understand.
As somebody who was dealing with a chronic disease - if any doctor ever actually told me just how very powerful and life-transforming those lifestyle changes could be, I would have tried it immediately. Drugs were already failing, I was desperate for any alternative. But none of them ever have. You might want take a look how doctors and society in general tend to speak of healthy lifestyle. Ever since childhood we get told we "should" eat healthy, exercise, etc. That's just one of those things that mature people who really have their life together seem to do. (And those people are also often seen as stuck-up bores and weirdos who don't know how to enjoy life...) We know we're "supposed" to "live healthy", but we're never actually told in any detail what exactly it does, what difference it makes. We're told we should, but never given any compelling reason to. Pretty much the only circumstance doctors ever even mention the impact of lifestyle is cardiovascular diseases, and even then most of them just give some lip service to maintaining healthy weight and exercising, and often give dietary advice that actually does the exact opposite (demonising fat, while the real enemy is excess sugar). But if someone's of healthy weight and not dealing with cardiovascular disease but some other chronic health issue, their doctor would probably never mention anything about lifestyle at all.
I would argue that the modern medicine's definition of "health" is very narrow and lacking. By that definition, "health" is basically the absence of a diagnosed diseases or syndrome. This definition includes nothing about how a person actually feels and functions in their day to day life. A person could wake up feeling like shit, need four cups of coffee just to make it through the day, be riddled with acne and constant headaches, have mild but constant flatulence, but if a doctor tries to diagnose them and didn't find any actual disease/syndrome, that person would officially be deemed healthy. And this is exactly the way many, maybe even most people are living their life. (Though it's a common trope that a person with these symptoms keeps getting told by multiple doctors they're healthy, but eventually comes to one that diagnoses them with some chronic disease). If they're over 30, they think it's just part of getting older. If they're under 30, they think it's just normal. So many symptoms or signs of poor health are not even thought of as symptoms but just the way bodies are supposed to function.
Adopting a healthy lifestyle, and I mean, all aspects of it - healthy diet, exercise, posture and alignment, non-sedentary lifestyle (exercising 3 hours per week doesn't mean spending all the rest of the time sitting down is healthy), sleep, mindfulness, minimising stress, daylight exposure - really does transform the way you feel and function. But the problem is, most people have no idea it could make them feel so much better than they do. As I said, they consider those signs of poor health to be normal and unavoidable. Most people only see "healthy lifestyle" in weight loss context, or, regarding exercise - as a way to get stronger; but if they're of healthy weight and not interested in sports, they don't think changing their lifestyle would have any benefits. And such a huge change of lifestyle is certainly very hard. It's not surprising most people don't even consider it - why would they go through something so hard for seemingly no measurable benefits, except maybe a sense of moral superiority? But if they were told in exact terms what health benefits it could bring, I'm sure many more of them would be willing to try. And if they were told those changes were the way to reverse this crippling chronic disease they've been dealing with for years, I'm sure most people would actually be up for it. For those who haven't experienced it, it might be hard to understand how desperate people can get when they suffer from those type of diseases. It wears down on you, your quality of life is shit (that's with severe symptoms, but even moderate or mild symptoms can get annoying enough). If you take a look at "alternative medicine" circles, you'd see people resorting to the most extreme measures to get healthy - swallowing live parasites, flushing out their colon, or squirting another person's shit up their anus, adopting some extremely restrictive diet, etc. (Some of them actually have a scientific basis) Those people are willing to try anything. In comparison to all that, reducing your sugar intake, starting regular exercise and adopting a regular sleep pattern is nowhere near as extreme and uncomfortable.
I this this attitude that "patients won't listen to this, why bother telling them" is kind of lazy and extremely harmful. You can't know how they react until you tell them. Even if only 1 person out of 50 will listen and try to apply these changes, it will still be doing good to society. And a 15-30 min appointment could be long enough to tell the basics or, better, direct the patient to where they can find more information on their own and take charge of their own health. Though I agree doctors aren't getting enough time with their patients.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're implying that doctors don't try, but that's not what Tacosareneat said. Of course they try. And most patients won't listen, because it's too hard. By the time they've reached the point of desperation where they're willing to do anything, the damage has usually already been done.
The second problem is that you're speaking about this lifestyle change thing as if it's some miraculous silver bullet. "If only they were just informed about the power of diet". But let's slow down a bit here, the paper you're citing is just a set of ten case studies of patients with mild cognitive impairment. You're so quick to bash doctors for not using it, would you honestly use that paper as the basis for a treatment?
You're implying that doctors don't try, but that's not what Tacosareneat said. Of course they try. And most patients won't listen, because it's too hard.
In my experience, most doctors don't try - the one exception being cardiologists. I've been dealing with quite a few health issues and none of the doctors ever mentioned it. The only one who did was one naturopath I visited. Later I found out that the elimination diet she put me on had been debunked by science, yet it still improved my health quite a lot, before I found something even better. My mother is a doctor, as are most of her friends, and I have a few doctor and med student friends too, and I've been dealing with quite a few health issues ad Ever since I became a health enthusiast, I've been talking to them about it. Every time they just look puzzled. My best friend who's in med school said that doctors can't really give lifestyle advise because they learn nothing about nutrition and such.
And most patients won't listen, because it's too hard.
As I said, most patients don't listen because they're never told why they should try those changes, how exactly this will change their life. They're sometimes told "you should eat healthy" but never really explained why. Most people only know that a bad diet is going to make them more likely to become overweight. Weight is usually where the discussion of diet begins and ends, it rarely goes beyond that. Very few people are aware of, say, the connection between poor diet and inflammation, and between inflammation and various chronic diseases.
By the time they've reached the point of desperation where they're willing to do anything, the damage has usually already been done.
There are plenty of stories of people who have managed to reverse even quite severe damage with those changes. Of course there are cases where it's so far gone it's impossible to completely reverse, but it at least diminishes the symptoms and improves quality of life, even if not fully.
The second problem is that you're speaking about this lifestyle change thing as if it's some miraculous silver bullet. "If only they were just informed about the power of diet". But let's slow down a bit here, the paper you're citing is just a set of ten case studies of patients with mild cognitive impairment. You're so quick to bash doctors for not using it, would you honestly use that paper as the basis for a treatment?
There's a lot of research on the impact of lifestyle on health and various chronic diseases. This particular one is just one example. There's also quite a bit of research on great health and the absence of chronic disease in hunter-gatherer societies. With some diseases that tend to only appear in old age (cancer, Alzheimer's), the usual explanation is that hunter-gatherers simply die too young to fall for these diseases (nevermind that their comparatively short average lifespan is heavily skewed by high infant mortality, once you control for that, a person who survives childhood is quite likely to reach their 50s, the age that most people in industrialised societies are already riddled with various chronic health issues). But this explanation falls short for the diseases and health issues that target people of all ages - like autoimmune diseases, allergies, tooth cavities, anxiety or depression, insomnia, osteoporosis, etc. Whenever somebody brings that up, usually they're instantly shut down with an accusation of "idolising the past".
I'm not saying everyone can achieve perfect health is only they lived the right way. There are many factors individual people don't have control over - environmental pollution, a sedentary job, frequent use of antibiotics in early childhood, what their mother ate and did during pregnancy, etc. And no matter how healthy someone tries to eat or live, it still pales in comparison with hunter-gatherers. [Some of these societies were found to have incredible variety in their diet, eating about 600 different species of plants and animals(http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/05/health/hunter-gatherer-diet-tanzania-the-conversation/index.html). And their gut bacteria has amazing diversity that ours can't come close to. Even well-off people in industrialised countries today eat nowhere close to that. Neither most of us have the option to eat those foods completely fresh (they lose quite a bit of nutritious value between the harvest of killing and appearing on our plates). Neither can we do anything about the fact that, due to soil depletion and selective breeding for other qualities than nutritious value (sweetness, lack of seeds, resistance to pests, etc) most of the plant foods we eat are nowhere as nutritious as the foods people used to eat thousands of years ago, or in current hunter-gatherer societies. There's an interesting book "Eating on the Wild Side" by Jo Robinson explores a lot of research on this topic. Much of it is quite depressing (for us, that is). For example, some wild fruit and vegetables were found to have hundreds of times the antioxidant levels of their domesticated equivalents. It's no wonder that nutritional deficiencies are so common even in people who try to eat healthy.
But just because we can't be as healthy as our ancestors doesn't mean we should just give up and eat junk food all day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like doctors get paid more for not treating Alzheimers. Also as somebody in medicine, it's incredibly difficult to get patients to make huge lifestyle changes. Especially in a 15-30 min appointment where you also have to check up on everything else (meds status, concerns, etc.). Lifestyle changes to help Alzheimers are great and should be done more, but they don't get down to the biology of Alzheimers, which we're still working to understand.
Paracetamol. Worked in a care home for years (as a chef, still had to do the training) it's proven to help. Also stimulation, get your grandparent a Nintendo with the brain training games reduces the risk of dementia.
Hadn't heard of that before. A quick google search actually shows that paracetamol (aka acetaminophen, Tylenol) may actually increase your risk of developing Alzheimer's...
There are literally dozens of "potential treatments" that reduce amyloid buildup either in vitro or in rats; and exactly zero of them have yielded any clikically-significant treatments for AD.
I understand how hopeful such an article can be for someone who doesn't understand that we aren't even sure that amyloid plaques are the ethiopathological underlying mechanism for AD (as opposed to merely a biomarker for it), but these sorts of exchanges are why neurologists' consultations can be so painful for everyone involved.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandpa went through the same thing and I'm afraid those genes carried over to my dad. Him and I haven't been on the best of terms throughout our lives but I do love that man and can only hope a cure is in arms reach before the end of his lifetime.
They can genetically test you now for a gene commonly linked to Alzheimer's or dementia. My grandfather passed away a few years ago to the disease so my doctor ran a few blood tests on my immediate family. My sister's test came back positive. Luckily there are many preventive measures you can take now (such as taking certain vitamins and doing brain games) to keep you at a lower risk.
This is all true. It's also very possible that we'll see some sort of breakthrough in the next 20-30 years...there's lots of great research being done. Hopefully those of us entering our 30's won't be too late.
I'm so sorry...I can't imagine what you're going through. The bottom line is that all of this is terrible. Losing someone is incredibly painful no matter how they go. I hope for happiness in your future.
My dad died of a heart attack, but there were a number of things made me think he may be getting Alzheimer's. For example, he cancelled insurance on his car because he didn't think it was his. That was a couple months before he passed. I've taken some small comfort from knowing I didn't have to watch his mind go.
Man, I'm so sorry...you are entering a nightmare. Love him, love him all you can while he's still at all conscious. Even if you get frustrated, at your wit's end, love him. I wish you the very best.
It is greatly admirable by you and i can only imagine the mental strength you have to go through each day. Thank you for being so loving, I'm sure that all people, no matter at what stage they are, can feel love and warmth.
It is greatly admirable by you and i can only imagine the mental strength you have to go through each day. Thank you for being so loving, I'm sure that all people, no matter at what stage they are, can feel love and warmth.
It is greatly admirable by you and i can only imagine the mental strength you have to go through each day. Thank you for being so loving, I'm sure that all people, no matter at what stage they are, can feel love and warmth.
robbur ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:01:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I was going to post when I saw this thread. Single scariest thing on earth. Can't imagine living your whole life building memories, really the only thing that matters, just to lose them. Devastating to watch, hard to even type this.
I'm a little young to be thinking about this, but I spent the last 2 years of my life trying to be the man I am today, I can't imagine losing my sense of identity after all that work. I'd rather die I think.
Do you mind elaborating on what you did to form who you are today? It sounds like you took steps to make a very deliberate transformation of some kind. I'd love to hear more.
After a particularly nasty breakup with my crazy ex and some emotional and mental damage, I decided that the person I was at that time isn't good enough, since I fell victim to a bad relationship. So I tried to be a better person by getting a gym membership and working out, Reading more books than I normally do, classic literature and other stuff that interested me. And just trying to break out of my shell by trying new experiences, new food, going to concerts, refining my manners and trying to keep an open mind when interacting with other people. It helped me and I saw myself change. And I liked what I saw.
KaKa42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily I think we are getting closer and closer on this, and the entire spectrum of diseases related to protein misfolding. The real miracle will be seeing it accessible to all, and integrated into the standard of care.
This is a bit morbid and I understand if you don't want to answer, but do you have a plan for if it happens to you? I don't have a history of it in my family, but it is probably my least proffered way to die.
If I did end up being diagnosed I am going out on my own terms. I think it's unfortunate we aren't more open about end of life options for diseases like this. Why would I want to force someone to take care of my living corpse constantly reminding them of what once was years after my actual mental being has perished? Not to mention the cost.
I watched both of my grandmothers die from this. If I get to the point where I can't remember shit, I want to die. I'll be 35 later this year so I am hoping a treatment or a cure is developed as I get older. If not, I'm putting my wishes in writing, and I'll find a place that will actually carry it out legally. I hope the laws will change in the next 30+ years regarding matters like this. However, I'm absolutely fucking determined not to end up like either of them. The first grandma to die didn't remember any of us. And for 5 years, I was the caregiver of the second grandma to die. She just died this Easter. Hell to the no. I will not die that way.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:40:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am also sorry for your loss, and I'm very, very sorry that's how your grandma passed. You're right that it's a twisted way to go. I'm also terrified of it. My dad makes these morbid jokes that I won't even know it's happening. And he's right. Occasionally, my grandma (the one who died this Easter) would have these brief lucid moments where she knew she had been out-of-it for a while. It was heartbreaking watching her relearn over and over again that her husband had died.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The important thing is not to burden them with the foreknowledge, at least the ones younger than you. Significant others, siblings, they HAVE to know. Particularly siblings, if there's a family history, have probably seen it and will understand.
It's never too early to have end of life conversations with loved ones. You don't want them running off in search of some deeper meaning for "why dad killed himself". It's better if their uncle can just tell them "hey, it's fine, he was sparing everyone from having to watch a ten year nightmare where you forget who he was almost as much as he does."
Like, what if I just left notes for myself in obvious places. So everyday, I could read the truth in my own handwriting. I don't think Alzheimer's patients forget that the disease exists, but my grandma will argue with us, sometimes to tears, because she can't/won't believe what we are telling her. Why would I lie to myself? The note would get longer each day, but I'm sure it would keep me at least somewhat grounded in reality, even if it only works some days.
I appreciate your insight, this is obviously something you have had to deal with more times than is reasonable. People tend to be pretty bad about EOL type stuff huh?
I'm not one to leave anything to chance and always have backup plans for backup plans. Going out on my terms will still be my primary goal regardless of disease, but you are right relying on that is very optimistic and naive.
I'm only in my mid 20s, but I already plan on having enough in retirement to pay for a really good nursing home if required, and to have all of my other financials taken care of.
Nobody understands when I tell them that. They make a face and ask if I'm okay.
Motherfucker, we're not talking about suicide because I'm depressed. Been there, didn't do that. We're talking about suicide because I don't want to slowly lose my mind and wait for my decrepit body to decay while I'm still fucking in there.
Nope. Head down to the lake, find a tree on the hill I used to play rockbat with my dad on, call my brother and tell him what's happening and where so he can be the one to find me, put a gun in my mouth, and give my genetic destiny the finger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:56 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a sports writer that committed suicide a few years ago and made a website about it and paid to have it stay up for a very long time. He explained his reasoning and methodology very well, and I actually had a lot of respect for him after reading through it. He realized he was slowly losing his memory and decided to do something about it.
All the news articles talked about how unfortunate it was and how his colleagues wished they would have known to stop him. They basically shit all over his decision and was so disrespectful in my opinion.
My Great Grandfather died of Alzheimers. His son, my Grandfather, dies of Alzheimers. His other son, my Uncle, died of Parkinsons. I'm closely watching my father and his brothers. Makes me so nervous when I think about it sometimes.
My grandma died of this when I was fairly young. My grandfather would drive 45 minutes every other day to the nursing home to feed, talk to her etc. She had no idea who he was, couldn't even talk. and this went on for probably 10-15 years. My aunt now has this. She has good days and bad days. Some days she'll be lucid enough to know when in her life she is. Others she's crying because she wants to see her babies, all of which are in their 40s with children of their own. Oddly, she remembers that my wife and I had a son (he's 15 months old) and always wants to see pictures. Sad bonus, if I forgot to take new pictures...I can always show the old ones and get the same level of excitement. My mother turns 60 next month, and while she's forgetful at times it's nothing out of the ordinary... hoping it skipped her, but at the same time that doesn't bode well for my sister and I (the only male child).
options- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:37:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched Alzheimer's turn the smartest and most joyful man I've ever known into a shell of a human. I watched him lose control over every basic function. Going to the restroom, bathing himself, feeding himself, getting dressed. He passed on May 27th this year surrounded by his family who loved him so dearly but who could have been perfect strangers as far as he was concerned. He was married to my grandmother for 50 years, and in the end he thought she was an evil caretaker trying to kill him.
The thought of this happening again to someone I love is horrifying. What if my mom has no idea who I am one day? What if I end up with Alzheimer's and can't even recognize my own daughters or husband? I'm so afraid of being trapped in my own mind like he was.
This hits home, I lived this 8 years ago. I am sorry you had to experience it.
bestem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if my mom has no idea who I am one day?
You cry about it for a few minutes. Then you deal with it, because what other choice do you have?
You also lie to yourself the times she refers to you as her friend, as opposed to her daughter, or by name, because you don't want to admit to yourself that she doesn't know you.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was part of the old 23andMe, not sure if it's still in there.
robaard ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:05:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
University of Leuven in Belgium made breaking discovery by being able to pinpoint the proteins (?) responsible for causing Alzheimer's and one pharmaceutical company already has a prototype medicine ready.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-07/vfi-npo072617.php
fithen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
james franco had a prototye medicine and now his planet is controlled by apes
We are so far off, simply because we just don't fully understand what causes it. I am currently doing diagnosis research and it is overwhelming emotionally every single day.
Actually we aren't far off. There was a treatment recently tested (granted it was on mice) that was able to reverse the effects of it. I believe they were rolling out a fairly large plan to see how it works with people, with good hopes for it.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:36:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did it reverse? Do you have a link? Would be very interested to read. I don't have much time on here to sit and discuss in detail, but as an overall we would need to understand how and why the effects of both Tau and Abeta effect certain people and then how to reverse. That's just at the basic level of Alzheimer's , that not even a drop in the ocean.
Very exciting. I will have a good read, but from first glance it focuses on Abeta. Whilst this is a major cause of AD, we must also consider Tau and the neirofibrilary tangles.
Interesting. But which bit of aging would be my question. Do we halt development, and if so at what stage? Do we slow it? How do we determine what is necessary and what is not in regards to development? We already know that for the most part we stop neurogenesis early in brain development, so are we simply 'freezing' a moment in adulthood? I am early in my career as a neuropsychologist, and all of these questions seem to be answered by one theory and debunked by another almost immediately.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's common in my dad's family. I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that it's common or the fact that because my dad is technically my adopted dad that I will just have to watch as it happens.
An effective treatment for Alzheimer's will not come about by tackling Alzheimer's directly. Alzheimer's, like cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes and most cancers, is an expression of the later stages of aging. To improve quality of life, abolish suffering and decline, we need rejuvenation biotech to maintain and restore health. The "accepting aging paradigm" is shifting slowly, but it's costing us 100,000 human lives per day.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:46:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Anle- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, give yourself proper nutrition and you will be able to reverse some of the top killers. Heart disease, type 2 diabetes are diet and lifestyle diseases.
I just want people to be able to know this, especially the overwhelming number of doctors that just try to treat the symptoms and have no real nutrition training.
My grandfather had severe Alzheimer's and near the end he forgot who is own children were. Imagine waking up in a house and not knowing where you are and everyone around you are "strangers". Must have been terrying, I'm glad he's at peace now.
Look into the connection between alzheimer's and diet; it has been called type 3 diabetes and there is a great deal you can do to dramatically reduce your chances of getting it through diet alone.
There are other forms of dementia. I had a relative that ate exceedingly well and exercised often. While they didn't get Alzheimer's they did get another form of dementia. They still lived with that dementia during the last decade or so of their life, with over 5 years in assisted living. If you live long enough you will likely get dementia.
Theres research to suggest that Alzheimer's is a type of "brain diabetes". So very similarly to the way that Type 2 Diabetes is completely lifestyle dependant, you could be predisposed to Alzheimers. This suggests that by adjusting lifestyle habits you could either treat or significantly reduce your chance of ever getting Alzheimers.
And you never know there could have been a number of other factors that caused the disease to occur in your mother and grandma.
Something our family noted when we ran our genetics through promethease, was that my mom carried the gene for Alzheimers, but neither my brother nor myself had the gene. Her mother suffered from the disease. My father was also not a carrier for the gene, but his father suffered from Alzheimers.
What this at least sort of indicated to us in at least our sample size, is that only the female was the carrier of that gene.
Its the weird thing about genes, and something we dont really understand yet. Your mom and grandma may have been drastically predisposed to the disease where you may be significantly less predisposed.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like you lose someone twice. My grandma has it and great grand mother also. I hope my mom gets to live without it
Sorry to hear about your loved one but contrary to popular belief, there's not a strong link for hereditary Alzheimer's, only 15% of cases have a hereditary link. Not trying to offend anyone and yes it's a scary disease but I wouldn't let it keep you up at night
Tex623 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's dad has it and it is terrifying to see. MIT petrochemical engineer who now wanders his house, doesn't know how to sit in a chair without help and almost chokes every time he takes a bite of food. I can only watch it for so long before I have to leave.
My family line is the opposite of Alzheimer's. My grandfather is like 84 and still can code a computer and repair musical instruments. The geneticist at my work knows someone who does Alzheimer's research, and i suggested that he run all the tests on my grandfather and family line. We're still waiting to find out if he wants to or not. The best way to search for a cure or treatment to a condition, is to look at the extreme opposite. See why one person doesn't loose cognitive functionality from protein build up
My dad, when I was about 16 (he'd of been 45 or so), told me that if he ever got to the point where he was no longer "him" (loss of memory, loss of motor functions, sanity etc) that I as the eldest child should put him out of his misery since my stepmother wouldn't emotionally be able to.
Pretty much entire family had Alzheimer. My siblings and I fully expect to have it as well. We just hope we are the 'kind & cooperative' Alzheimer patients, not the 'crabby & difficult' variety.
bTrixy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard (last week or so) on the news that a university here made a breaktrough discovery on Alzheimer. It's probably not for tomorrow but a cure Will be Found.
** New research opens up prospects for counteracting plaque formation in Alzheimer's disease
July 27, 2017**
Alzheimer's disease is characterized by the formation of protein build-ups or plaques in the brain. Worldwide, scientists are looking for ways to prevent the conjunction of these so-called amyloid beta proteins or to break down the plaques again. A Leuvens team of researchers led by Prof. Bart De Strooper and Prof. Lucรญa Chรกvez-Gutiรฉrrez (VIB-KU Leuven) gained insight into how these protein picks are formed exactly. They immediately launch a new piste to develop Alzheimer's medicines.
In the brain of Alzheimer's patients, there are numerous plaques that are likely to cause nerve cell death and cause memory loss and cause other symptoms. These plaques consist of amlocidal amyloid beta protein fragments, Which are produced by the gamma secretase enzyme. Gamma secretase, however, produces different forms of amyloid beta: one for longer than the other, with the longer fragments being the most harmful.
A stable protein interaction
The researchers at the VIB-KU Leuven Center for Brain Research under the guidance of Prof. Bart De Strooper and Prof. Lucรญa Chรกvez-Gutiรฉrrez now demonstrated that the interaction between gamma secretase and amyloid beta determines what type of fragment is precisely formed. If the interaction weakens, for example by adjusting the temperature in the experiment or by genetic errors, the protein fragments are released faster. As a result, gamma secretase can not break the fragments into smaller pieces and thus there are more long, harmful fragments.
Prof. Lucรญa Chรกvez-Gutiรฉrrez (VIB-KU Leuven): "The more stable the connection between gamma secretase and amyloid beta, the more time there is to break it further.
As a result, the production of smaller, less harmful amyloid beta fragments. " New pace for more targeted treatment
Hitherto, attempts to inhibit plaque formation in the brain mainly focused on the total blockage of amyloid beta production or the breaking of existing plaques . The new results suggest that it would be sufficient to stabilize the interaction between gamma secretase and amyloid beta so that the protein fragments are fully processed and only the smallest fragments released.
Lucรญa Chรกvez-Gutiรฉrrez: "So far, much efforts have been made to eliminate one specific type of amyloid beta, But it is still unclear whether this fragment is the only harmful fragment. Our results show that we have to comply with all the different fragments.
Focusing on the interaction with gamma secretase, rather than on individual fragments, we have a better chance of effectively eliminating plaque formation. " The team is working with an academic drug discovery unit to get the new Translate findings into new therapeutic candidate drugs.
In collaboration with researchers from Mannheim University, Janssen Pharmaceutica, RIKEN Brian Science Institute, University College London and the VIB Core Facilities.
Note: Lucรญa Chรกvez-Gutiรฉrrez has recently been appointed as an independent research director at the VIB-KU Leuven Center for Brain Research, where she continues her work to further unravel the molecular mechanisms of Alzheimer's disease.
There is good evidence that our high sugar intake could be a major contributing factor to the prevalence of Alzheimer's and dementia. Some are calling it Diabetes Type III
Millea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:39 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
EDIT: Reading over this, I'm not sure if this source can be trusted. Its only source is Dr. Mark Hyman, the chairman of the Institute for Functional Medicine, an organization which is anti-vaccination among other things.
All the rest of the claims are backed up by the words "It is backed up by research studies." or something similar which is a huge red flag without a link to these studies.
Theres no cure, but there are preventative measures you can take to reduce your chance of developing alzheimers. The synthetic peptide Noopept has shown benefits both as a daily supplement and for long term cognitive health. I believe its even being prescribed to patients in russia to combat alzheimers.
Same. I lost two grandparents to it and last year, my father. It was really hard watching my dad struggle coping with it while he was still lucid and eventually just drifting into oblivion. It's so hard on the families too. Such a shitty disease
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the absolute worst thing, for a family to have to watch their family member forget who they were, when they spent their whole lives becoming that person.
I watched it happen to my grandma, and it ate us all up inside, including her. I went from her taking care of me, to me taking care of her, and every day broke my heart. But it also made me who I am today.
Can we lump ALS into that as well? It's in my family (grandma died of it), and skips a generation. I'm next...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe when they find the cure for Alzheimer's they'll find one for schizophrenia as well. My brother has suffered from it his entire life and it would be amazing if he could have some "normal" years. The disease really takes your soul.
Hopefully this gets seen, we are actually pretty clean we to a breakthrough on this. I work for a drug company that has an Alzheimer's treatment in Phase 3 clinical trials. A lot of folks posted some stuff that had animal testing, but that isn't close to being effective in humans. There are other drug companies similar to the one I work at that are also very close.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people say that but few people follow through. Be sure to have a backup plan for your care.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found out shortly after my amazing grandfather passed after fighting for ten years, although he passed at 61 and was a 'baby", that when he get his diagnosis, he tried to hang himself in the garage.
This is not something my grandpa would ever have done before, but had watched his mother's demise with Alzheimer's, and ultimately did not want to be the "burden" his mother was. This broke my heart, as my grandpa was my best friend.
The first time he didn't remember who I was was one of the hardest days of my life. It's up there with losing my dad when he was 38, and was honestly harder than his actual passing. Also, telling my grandpa that my dad would be coming over after work for three years was tough. He never remembered his oldest child had passed. I think that's ok though l. I don't think he wanted to remember.
That's the third time you posted this in five minutes. Are you okay?
All jokes aside, that would be nice. I'd imagine progression in curing people who currently have Alzheimers could be useful elsewhere, though the cure would probably be found in some kind of genetic fix at a young age instead which would hopefully come with fixing other genetic problems too. It would be nice to see that all go. Quick scan of the baby, pick up genetic problems, resolve them in utero.
The Walk To End Alzheimer's is coming up across the country! I'm hosting a team here in Salt Lake but there are so many going on all over the United States. If anyone at all wants any information on how to sign up/donate/participate please don't hesitate to reach out to me!! ๐ awareness is a HUGE step to finding a cure! We can do this!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is an awful disease that literally destroys the things that make you you. The impact it has on loved ones is huge too since it changes someone so completely before eventually (but slowly) killing them.
My great grandmother died today and seeing her slowly fade away because of the Alzheimer's was the worst thing to happen to my family, to the point that we're all relieved that she's not going through it anymore. A cure for that would be amazing.
Your edit: my mom keeps saying that my grandma lived until 99, "Just another year until she got to 100!" But she never really made it to 99, in my eyes. She was 97 when she broke her hip, somehow Alzheimer's set in after that and rapidly progressed. The next few months were her last real lucid months and then she just had no real memories of anything. She never really made it to 99. Not her. Not her personality. Not my grandma.
TRFKTA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My nana had Alzheimer's. I still remember coming home from town with my dad, granda and her and she asked who I was. I was told stuff like that would happen but that was my first encounter of it.
My Granda stopped me seeing her after a while as he wanted me to remember her as she was before she started deteriorating.
After she went into a home, his life while she was alive revolved around getting up early and going and sitting with her all day before going home and doing it again the next day. He still gets tearful when thinking about what the condition did to her sometimes
LoveBull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:45 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's quite common in my family too. My Grand-Maa is suffering from Alzheimer's too. It really upsets me, ESP my mother, to see her the way she is. I completely empathise.
Specifically whole plant foods. Not soda pop, potato chips, oreos and deep-fried foods.
BTW Dr. Neal Barnard, that you link below, is an excellent speaker. He's great, doesn't come across as preachy or pretentious like some others and obviously knows enough about his subject to be able to break it down for the layman.
But please make sure you eat your daily chia / flax seeds for omega 3 and maybe even consider a algae based dha / epa (middle and long chained omega 3s) supplement. And of course a b12 supplement.
Both are absolutely vital for brain health. Otherwise I completely agree.
Theres no cure, but there are preventative measures you can take to reduce your chance of developing alzheimers. The synthetic peptide Noopept has shown benefits both as a daily supplement and for long term cognitive health. I believe its even being prescribed to patients in russia to combat alzheimers.
My grandma had Alzheimer's, it's a massive fear of mine that either of my parents might develop it. Hopefully we'll see some kind of breakthrough within the next decade
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen. Just had to deal with losing a loved one to Alzheimers. We need death with dignity.
Wow this hit close to home i take care of my grandmother who has Alzheimer's and it breaks my heart everyday to see the state she is in. I really pray for a cure and i hope its soon.
My grandfather currently has Alzeimers and he's starting to forget quite alot. I'm terrified of what will happen if he forgets my language. I'm Swedish and my grandparents are from Finland. What if he forgets how to speak swedish? And what will happen when he doesn't recoginze me anymore? It's all too much for me to handle which sadly have lent to the point where I find it much to hard to see him cause it just kills me to see him so sick...
They give B12 supplements to animals in their feed these days so, eating meat to get B12 is just a very inefficient and expensive way of indirectly taking a B12 supplement.
And then you'll just get a different form of dementia instead.
davemj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When my grandmother was dying she had a bad case of Alzheimer and for some reason I was the only one she remembered each day when we visited her to the hospital. Im not sure why and it wasn't under anyone's control, but it really tore my father up that she was remembering her grandson consistently but not her own son. He felt like it was some sort of sign that she wasn't proud of him. She died at the end of April and I'm still helping my father get through it.
100% agree with this. I've been watching my mother-in-law degrade for 7 years. She was diagnosed shortly before I met my wife, and has almost never remembered who I am.
Watching my wife deal with the pain of loosing her mother this way is terrible, and there is very little I can do to for her other then just stand by her side and have a shoulder for her when she needs it. But in the back of my mind, I am aware that my wife will one day (most likely) also be diagnosed with Alzheimer's. And I don't know how I'd handle it.
And then there is my best friend. Her mother went from being diagnosed (in her mid 50's), to virtually catatonic in about 2 years. Last time I saw her, was in the home she in. She didn't know me at all, and didn't realize anything was wrong until she saw her daughter. The nurses said that she was fine and happy up until she saw someone she knew, then she got scared and confused. I was heart breaking.
I have been running Folding@Home on my computer for over a year now with a preference to Alzheimer's. Maybe one day, this will help with finding a treatment.
I wonder, once it has fully taken hold, is it as bad for the person with it as it is for those having to deal with that? Or by that point have you just lost your mind?
My wife's grandmother struggled with dimentia. Her husband wasn't in great health and they lived alone (with a son living an hour away). She lived across the street from where she grew up. She lived on the same patch of street in Michigan farmland her whole life. It was heartbreaking when grandpa's health was getting so bad because grandma wasn't able to take care of him anymore. Then their son had to move away, making us (4+ hours away) their closest relatives. She was starting to forget some closer family friends and wouldn't let anyone in the house. It was heartbreaking again having to move them to Ohio with us to a nursing home with memory care. She was doing much better than most residents in their and knew it. He was totally fine mentally. It was heartbreaking making grandpa basically live in such a place in order to be with his wife. It was heartbreaking when she asking if she would end up like the other residents in a moment of clarity. It was a heartbreaking relief when they found her pancreatic cancer late, and she passed peacefully. Her father, when she was young, once went down the road for 7up. The police found him on his way to Arkansas, his childhood home, with a six pack of 7up in the passenger seat.
My wife has a potential to suffer from this. I pray all the time that we find an effective treatment and cure.
Hopefully this gets seen, we are actually pretty clean we to a breakthrough on this. I work for a drug company that has an Alzheimer's treatment in Phase 3 clinical trials. A lot of folks posted some stuff that had animal testing, but that isn't close to being effective in humans. There are other drug companies similar to the one I work at that are also very close.
dexer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Studies have found strong links between sleep health and active minds in relation to onset of Alzheimer's. It's also been found that injuries which result in reduced autonomy increase the likelihood of Alzheimer's.
Basically, make it a life goal to have healthy and regular sleep, to stay healthy with good eating habits and regular exercise, and to exercise proper caution in the things you do as you grow older to reduce the likelihood of hurting yourself and limiting your mobility.
This is my biggest fear. Dying is easy, it's the thought of unintentionally hurting someone I love is the worst part. Both my grandfathers suffered from dementia. It is scary how quickly they would forget who someone was and how quickly it turned violent.
Something that extends life beyond 200 years so I can see even more cool stuff. I feel like we're on the cusp of being what we've always thought of as "futuristic", with technology advancing so quickly over the last few decades, but as things stand, it looks like I'll be checking out in the late 2070s/early 2080s. I think there will be some really awesome stuff happening during that time, but if something came along that could double my lifespan so that I'd be peacin' out around 2170, shit would definitely be litty titty by then.
Ahh, but you forget the great war of 2074. After the Nanotechnological Revolution in the 50's, countries have begun to develop nanorobotic weapons of mass destruction. This leads to great tension between Taiwan (which rose to become a world superpower along with China by absorbing North Korea after its long-due collapse), the United States, and the Russian-Arabian coalition. The tension between the three world powers rose to a breaking point in the early 70's, when China (an ally of Taiwan) attacked Russia, provoking the wrath of its many allies who used nanorobotic weapons that were strictly prohibited as a war crime by the United Nations. This provoked the United States to enter the war. However, Taiwan and the United States were on very poor terms, and when the US entered Taiwanese territory, they considered it an act of war. The US suffered the most from this war, due to many factors, not the least of which was the fact that they had to transport troops and supplies across the ocean. In 2074, the US was forced to withdraw their troops, and Taiwan and the coalition followed them back home. Thus began the first land invasion of the US in several hundred years. The battles were long and hard, and by the end of the war, every viable man and women was drafted, and 2/3 had died. So much money was poured into the war that medicine became absurdly expensive, and the elderly were unable to pay for proper healthcare, and thus died by the millions. So, /u/mojavespider25, /u/QuidditchIsLame , /u/neorequiem, u/vladhq, /u/PoolStoreGuy,
and /u/Tehsyr (and u/waterguy12), do not be naive when you assume that future immortality will be offered to you on a silver platter. You and your children and their children will pay dearly for the gift that humanity has longed for ever since they were self-aware.
SEQU0IA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone? I think I have a reasonably good chance of living to 80.
vladhq ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:13:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2080's refers to 2070-2079, at which point I will be anywhere from 73-82 years old. Considering I keep a pretty healthy lifestyle, and the medical advances that will come in the future, I will hopefully still be alive for at least another 10-15 years after that time.
According to, well everyone, what you just said is completely wrong. Whenever someone thinks of the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s they don't think of the years before i.e. For the 70s people don't think of the years 1960-1969, they think of the years 1970-1979. You're thinking of centuries in which case the 21st century is actually the 2000s. The reason for this is because the 1st century started at year 0. The second started with 100, the third started with 200 ect.
Changing blood seems to be promising. They managed to reverse the effects of aging in mice. Combine this with cure for cancer and prevention of heart attacks and at least 150 years may be possible.
It doesn't really have much to do with our blood, but our DNA. Scientists have found out recently that the reason why Galapagos Turtles can live to be 150+ years old is because their cells divide at a much slower rate than a Human's does. Essentially what it comes down to is that out cells have a preset number of times that they can replicate, once all these are up, no new cells can be created and things start to deteriorate, which leads to health issues and eventually death.
They have found that our telomeres (tips of chromosomes) shrink each time that a cell divides, and when they get too short, they fail at dividing, and (don't quote me on this) that could be what causes some cancers. IIRC they have found a few genes that either stop or slow this shrinkage which could result in longer life spans.
As a 32 year old all I can say is... Nice! And the swat teams are being called back as we speak. If we don't reach them in time just yell "pineapple" and they should leave you alone.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:03:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like asking the genie for 10 more wishes as your first wish .. what a cunning plan!
Oni_K ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 19:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, extending human life will be an ever worsening ecological disaster. If the population continues to expand faster than we can come up with ways to reduce our resource consumption and deal with our waste, we're in big trouble. In short, humans dying is good for the environment. (how depressing is that?)
You're absolutely right, but I think that problem might be correcting itself. If you look at the US at least, people are having far less children than they used to and the population as a whole is getting older. Once the Boomers die out, I think we'll have a nicely balanced population in this country at least.
I also believe that as a species, our heightened awareness of our impact on the planet will lead us to find new sources of food and energy that are more sustainable. And as more people move to cities as they have been, things will become even more efficient with less having to be transported, generating less emissions, and leaving more room for the land to return to its natural state.
I'm optimistic about what my generation will do once we have the reigns :)
Hey now, it's not personal but the previous generations have fostered a pretty stifling system here in the U.S I'm 29 and struggling with school debt while living paycheck to paycheck (and no I don't have the latest phone and no I don't eat avocado toast). It's not even like when my dad was my age in the 1980's when he worked in a factory and supported my mother and two cars and a modest home in Westchester County, NY... Not really possible anymore.
I certainly didn't get everything "The Greatest Generation" got and I have my share of troubles too. You might get away with blaming a few leaders and politicians but blaming an entire generation is just lame. Not all of us are responsible for the troubles you have and some of us worked hard to make things as good for you as we could.
But now that N. Korea is going full nuke, it looks like you might have a chance to deal with many of the same problems we faced. I wish you the best of luck with that.
I'll gladly take duck and cover drills as long as I can afford a home of my own and a new-ish car. Oh, and if somehow schooling didn't cost as much as open heart surgery.
Greyfeld ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 19:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always find it weird how people get scared about the declining birth rates in some parts of the world. It's like, "You do realize that we have over 7 FUCKING BILLION people on this planet, right?? I'm sure the earth could use a generational break to catch her second wind."
Well declining birth rates in the short term is a problem especially for the developed countries. Japan is the epitome of it. Basically the idea is that as fertility rates drop, the next generation of workers (labor pool) will be unable to sustain a large retired older population. Many social welfare models like healthcare and social security rest on the assumption that the labor pool is either equal to or greater than retirees. And most services are paid through deficit spending meaning that the tab is assumed to be picked up by future generations (future workers). With declining labor pools, the problem mainly is that tax revenues are depleted and thus cannot fund the debt (interest payments)on ongoing services. This is a problem if services are not cut. The shrinking labor pool problem though is solvable with a mix of automation, immigration, a new social contract to update the tensions between globalization, capitalism, and democracy, a reconceptualization of the welfare model, political realignments, and perhaps at the extreme, a shift in values as an entire civilization. On the other hand, we'll be dealing with rapid population increases in developing countries which have its own set of problems.
Hnikudr ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either future sci-fi utopia or bleak depressing failure of the global economy, followed by quasi-feudalism with a massive gap between the rich and the poor.
I don't think it's either or. Instead we might witness wondrous things in the midst of some harrowing ones within this century. Great advances in technology and medicine amidst global systemic problems that will start to strain resources and the social fabric. So both utopia and dystopia.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:43:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly going to assume my retirement investments are paid out of pocket. I've heard way too many bad things about Social Security and I want a safety net. Ironic that I need a safety net for a safety net.
Fuck it. When I graduate college I'm putting $10,000 into a market index fund and just letting it sit for 65 45 years. At least then I don't have to manage it and it should outpace inflation for most of that time.
EDIT: 65 years after college would put me at 87. I'm retiring before then.
and also the birth rate is only declining in predominantly white countries. Africans and Middle Easterners are still being born at over 4 babies per mother, so if you care about overpopulation, tell them to stop having so many kids somehow.
Not gonna happen. I really wish this was true, but it's not. The US and most other developed countries' fertility rates are below replacement levels, yes, but their total populations are not shrinking at all due to immigration. The developing world has absurdly high birth rates, some as high as 6 or 7 on average per family. Africa's population is set to explode over the next 80 years. Current predictions suggest there will be 11.2 billion people by 2100.
xxDarby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But would it be a copy of our consciousness going digital or would it be our exact conscious going digital. There is a videogame that explores this idea but i can't think of the game of the top of my head.
Honestly, I feel like dealing with those problems beats being dead.
Freact ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. No matter how bad nay-sayers claim it's going to get. Even if they are correct... still better than being dead.
JMMD94 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As technology increases our ability to deal with ecological disasters will also expand. The world is much likely to be cleaner in the future, with expanding sources of clean energy, and better recycling practices. The planet can easily sustain 15 billion people with current technologies. In the future our planet will be able to sustain far more people. Having more children may eventually need to be curtailed but not for generations.
It is depressing that you, along with many others, share this bleek viewpoint on the future but it's a false narrative that is passed along blindly.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:27:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The planet can easily sustain 15 billion people with current technologies.
Source? Because as far as I'm aware, we're barely able to sustain ourselves and we don't even have 10 billion people.
Rocto ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:33:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're super inefficient though. Probably our 2 biggest issues are waste (1st world countries) and just general inefficiency, like eating meat instead of being vegans or even bug eaters, which would free up space for even more food.
If we actually put our knowledge and materials to good use, we'd be living in a utopia already. But that'd require a Startrek-like system (no money etc.), world peace etc etc. Unachieveable.
JMMD94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:41:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without intending, we produced 2x as much food as we consumed in 2016. If you take a look around many people were already eating far more than necessary Only a small fraction of the Earth is inhabited and the entire world's population could fit in a area smaller than Texas at population densities less than many major cities.
No dude, the world is going to implode AAAAAANY day now
Freact ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Barely able to sustain 10 billion
At our current level of tech. The obvious thing that these estimates never take into account is that our ability to produce all the stuff that people need is going to continue to increase. Human productivity is exponential with population. 15 billion people won't be just twice as productive as we are, they will likely be orders of magnitude more productive.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but also have a different reason. It is going to be people like Putin and Pauly Shore that can afford it
Humans dying has always been an inevitable thing. Everything, humanity, civilization, economy, science has the first axioma that people die, life is relatively short and its length has a great variation from person to person.
However, if we could eliminate death or at least lengthen the human life considerably, our economy and society would have to adapt to that. By the way, when we will have the technology to do that, maybe we will have other resources which won't be depleted that quickly.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:34:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also good for society.
In the political sphere, do you really want more older voters?
2) There would be no 'Old' voters if everyone could live forever.
Kareeel ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:17:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boombox is right, if people would live forever, technological and political progression would decrease, since young people change their views way more easily than older people
Overall, older people have been shown to be less adaptive in picking up newer technologies. So we would more likely have a greater percentage of the population that are unskilled in new and upcoming tech.
As for political views, I'm not sure. I would assume that the older you get the more steadfast you become on one mindset, and perhaps similar to new technologies, new political ideas are less considered. Something like "I grew up without UBI, why do people need it now?".
Also this is assuming we keep a healthy brain age throughout all this and that we don't have a lot of healthy looking people with really old brains.
Sure but that's because Older people spent the first half of their lives in a certain environment and don't feel the need to learn all the new shit that's not going to matter to them when they are dead.
Take away the time constraint of life and I think you would find people are more than willing to keep up with the latest technologies as it's not going to be a waste of time learning everything if you can actually apply it.
Alternatively, you would go the way of middle earth and have elves sucking each other's dicks for 3000 years doing nothing to advance civilization but I think because the human race has already had a taste of rapid technological advancement that behavior wouldn't stop.
Especially if we preserved our ability to reproduce space travel to other livable environments would become priority number one.
If we couldn't figure that out then it would be a mass culling of everybody who wasn't American/Asian/White/over 6ft tall whatever criteria that get the culling going first.
At that point, I think we stop worrying about geezers and their opinions.
Yea, it is very likely that those geezers would be the ones running the world though with more time to build up wealth, knowledge, ect.
You could be right about the technological aspect, I'm still not entirely convinced politically though. I remember one time I was at an old family friends house, she was about 80. Some people came to our house asking to sign a petition on gay marriage, she politely declined. Later she said "I think that they can all do as they wish, but I can't support it. I guess I'm just a product of the time I was raised". I know when I get to that age there will be things I won't have been raised to believe becoming popular. Is it still my place to slow this process, or should I accept that the world is different to 80 years prior? Then in this future I am living for at least 100 more years with these decisions. It would take a consistently progressive mindset to remain progressive.
Maybe, everyone is just trying to live their best life.
I'd just like to think that when an element of permanency is bought into the equation people start to re-evaluate what really matters.
Just think of the applications on religion, or warfare, or human rights. We would either see a total societal collapse competing for a race to the top or a cultural renaissance that does away with violence and hatred and the world becomes a socialist paradise.
My outlook is bleak on the matter and I think I would be murdered pretty quickly.
Not believing in people and the future is the easy option though, and I want my world peace and jet packs. I'm going out kicking and screaming until I get 'em.
Freact ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technological progress would certainly continue. I would argue that it would speed up even. There are many good reasons, but two easy ones are:
there would be more people to work on new technologies
the wisdom of older generations would continue to grow much longer. Consider the amount of knowledge gained in a 70 year lifespan vs. the knowledge one could acquire in twice that time (or more!)
Also, given that technology would continue to be developed I think that would cause or political views to evolve as well. Many people have attributed the change over time in societies political views to "the old stubborn generation" (ie. the one before them!) dying off and allowing the young to pursue new lifestyles and beliefs. However, I think technological progress has caused a lot of the shifts in our politics over the years and that has merely coincided with generational differences.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:33:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, statistically, there would only be old voters.
Dowdly ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:31:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on what age you are, you might get to live for a lot longer than you think. Amazing research is being done on the diseases of old age so who knows what kind of breakthroughs could occur within our lifetimes. You can really get lost in the rabbit hole of reading about the biology of ageing and the people who are working to cure it but if you're interested you should look up Aubrey de Grey and read about the work he's doing with the SENS Research Foundation here's a TED talk he's done, the guys over at Google also founded Calico to do research in defeating the diseases of old age. Really interesting stuff.
This has always been my wish. I, probably like many others, feel like i'm supposed to see/live in the future. This is only of course if we get our shit together and have a sustainable earth. I have FOMO of the future if that's a thing?
The last line of this excerpt from Charlie Chaplins, The Dictator is very relevant to your request for eternal life.
" The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish."
(Apologies for formatting, on mobile.)
"And so long as men die, liberty will never perish." Until we have stronger protections of Liberty everywhere I'd rather no one live to 200. Imagine the power a king would wield if he could live so long.
I said it in a thread a while ago when we were talking about existential dread, but I'm planning on near immortality - I only need to live long enough to live forever. But when people were asking about artificial life extension, I said if the Grim Reaper is chasing me, I just need to learn how to roller skate.
Actually this might be much closer than you think. there are only a few routes that humans can take to living forever or "living forever". I've put way too much thought into this and searched the internet long enough to come to the conclusions of we can either mind map people onto AI's to "live forever" but then people would still die and the AI wouldn't really be them, we could get nano robots that we can use to repair the human body in the sensitive areas that we can fix today like the brain or heart, or we can find a fully biological approach like serums for living forever that would repair the human body. pretty much the only actually viable option is nano robots since no serum can make the brain be repaired strictly through biological means and with mind mapping we would still die. The best cross here would be nano robots to repair the brain and heart but biological serums to repair the rest of the body. Basically everyone go invest in nano machine research if you want to live forever.
Genetic engineering and CRISPR will seriously split society. We would have lots and lots of ordinary folks and tiny amounts of superhuman who own 99.9% of everything.
monarc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We would have lots and lots of ordinary folks and tiny amounts of superhuman who own 99.9% of everything.
That's already increasingly true over time without genetic engineering...
It really always depends on what "futuristic" looks like to you. 50 years ago, having a computer in your pocket more powerful than a NASA space ship's computer that could give you pretty much any information you ask for is pretty futuristic.
Microsoft is developing an AR device that lets you manipulate holograms like Tony Stark.
We have drones that can fit in your pocket and follow you around without any human input aside from a "follow me" style command.
It's pretty futuristic already, it just depends on your point of view.
This. Technological advancement is exponential and we are like right at the mother fuckin hockey stick curve. It's gonna get crazy and I definitely want to see it.
15 years ago, if I told you I can buy things by holding my pocket computer near a reader for a second and having it draw directly from my bank account, or be able to talk to someone across the world in real time with HD video, they would tell me I watch too much Star Trek
Their is actually some research going into this now by a whole lot of scientists. I'm not gonna pretend to know the specifics but I've seen estimates for this as early as 2035.
This is the one i actually don't want. Just imagine all the rich fuckers who will still be alive sucking the planet for another 100 years plus. All i can imagine everyone slowly turning orange from age becoming more radioactive by the day until they blossom and evolve into a Donald Trump doppelganger.
I kind of feel like technology is coming to a stand still thanks to the modern global economy. Technology that can really help man kind is being under funded because investors are more interested in monetary profit than human advancement. They'll pump millions and millions into developing the next smartphone but put hardly anything into fusion energy.
Technology that can really help man kind is being under funded because investors are more interested in monetary profit than human advancement.
To be fair, that's been true for almost all of human history. I don't think the guys who invented say, the steam train, were doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, they were doing it so they could move their goods faster than competitors who had to use horse wagons or ships.
The bad thing is if life expectancy becomes 150+, chances are you'll either still be working at 130 years old, or hopefully have some serious luck with stocks to support yourself for the back half of your lifetime.
If people are still fit to do it at that age it isn't a bad thing IMO. I'm still in school so my perspective is skewed but despite going out a lot during summer I think life would be very boring without school or work. The thought of retirement is terrifying because fuck knows what I'd do all day
I had a discussion with a guy at work about this. I think when it happens, it'll be in the form of nanobots, that repair or regenerate dying cells and it would probably be ridiculously expensive, keeping it away from the masses. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since a world population that effectively lives 2-3 times longer than normal would put a severe strain on natural resources. Also, nanotechnology could also garner a new type of virus/sickness with potentially devastating effects.
honestly who knows what life extending technology we might have by the 2070s. You might get what you wish for. Think about the medical technology we had 60 years ago compared to now
A lot of people won't say it and I hate the thought of it as well. However if for the last 80 years the Nazi doctors had been left to do their human experiments who knows how far medicine would have come. I hate the thought of all those people dying but hypothetically medicine would be insane. Doctors won't say it but a lot of the advances we have today came from the Nazis research.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more likely climate change makes life on earth worse by 2080, let alone 2180, when humankind might not exist anymore.
Technology and science could achieve amazing things by then, if they aren't stopped by natural disasters, masses of starving refugees and war. It's a question of whether or not humans will be able to look at the long term and make drastic changes. That's not going very well so far, unfortunately.
I would hate being 200+ years old, sure you could see all the new upgrades and advances to the world, but you'd be too frail to enjoy any of it. Being that old would be hell, I don't even really want to live past 110.
Haha, yeah by the time I'm 60 (if I get there, the world is crazy) my mind may change. Maybe by then I'll be completely ready. 110 is about the farthest I'd really wanna go. Once I'm like 75 or 80 I'm giving up on health and just indulging in whatever substance I want. I'm just gonna gain a hundred pounds and die in my eighties.
No, I wouldn't. It may be cool to always see the advances but I would hate living forever. I'm not really scared of death, we all have to die. I don't see a point in trying to extend our lifespans past say, 100. I feel as though I'd get bored after a while and just be ready to clock out and call it a day.
"Welcome back to the 2044 Summer Olympic games. If you're just joining us we are about to watch the faceoff of a cloned Joe Frazier, 1964 gold medal winner of the heavyweight division, against Leroy Mountain Dew Fidget Spinner, a solid railgun projectile.
zaMMs ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:34:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he hurt Joe Frazier. I think Joe IS hurt. Don King, Leroy's promoter right next to me is saying it. You may hear him. Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier! The heavyweight champion is taking the mandatory eight-count and Spinner is as poised as can be in a neutral corner!
The companies' scientists will meld with A.I. and take neutropics in a race to create the perfect bionic athlete railgun projectiles and it will all be timed from beginning to end to determine winners.
We'll need reasonable rules in place. The track will still be circular, so no railguns. Restricted to two appendages pushing against the ground and self contained energy source. This disallows jet engines for propulsion, but gas turbine engines for power generation are allowed. There will be weight and height classes (measured with the runner lying down, but bionics in active position).
aqf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but then we'll have invented a faster railgun.
Croned ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:35:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But where do you draw the line between bionics that utilize wheels and just putting someone in a go-kart? How do you draft rules that exclude some designs but not others?
Same way a lot of rules are made for sports, try your best to make good rules and then adapt as you go. If someone finds a new technique that doesn't break the rules but is determined against the spirit of the sport, make a new rule.
I want to see a man run the 100m with the legs of a kangaroo and the heart of a leopard. He runs so fast he disappears like the car from back to the future, reappears at the finish line as an old man, shouts, "Beware China", and turns to dust.
Orisi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Mock The Week fan.
Colopty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanoid robots aren't good enough yet. A lot of the robots I've seen have trouble staying upright e.g. Asimo falling down stairs, the security bot that drowned itself, some military explorer bot that flipped itself. For now we need humans in control of the prosthetics.
Forget humanoid robots. Just have companies go all out with purpose designed machines in various different competitions. Robot wars with car sized robots. Drone dogfighting. Unmanned car races. Rocket trickshot competitions.
One question: why would this be fun, exactly? To me, it would just be watching people slowly kill themselves by constantly injecting steroids. I can't wrap my head around it, honestly.
bolunez ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think about the advances in medical technology it might bring. Super advanced prosthetics, for example.
For all the bad the Nazis did, they advanced medical knowledge quite a bit. Of course, it's all things like " Can the Russians survive their harsh winter because of their genetics? Well, we locked some Russians in a freezer and we can confidently say they froze to death at the same rate as the Austrians."
Rph23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was that a mengele thing? I know he was obsessed with gene experiments
I mean, sure, but isn't there a point where you see some guy who looks like the Joker from Arkham Asylum (probably not as extreme but same idea) and you think: "Wow, we have really pushed this wayyyyyyyyy too far"?
Tyloo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that if someone has been properly educated on the risks and benefits of partaking in such activities and still decided to choose to partake that there is no reason to not let that person do as they please.
Heck if they want to destroy themselves let them do it. To me it would be the equivalent of making a superhuman. I'm not just talking drugs, I'm talking full scientific enhancement. Imagine what we could gain, muscle enhancement could go a long way for degenerative diseases; also think of the military advancements: soldiers that can run farther, jump higher, require less sleep, able to withstand austere environments with less protection. It would amazing.
We see some of it now, honestly. And it's kind of sad. You don't usually get to elite levels by starting all of this stuff in adulthood. You start as a young teenager, or earlier, and keep going, and the effects on your body are things that are really hard to both know and understand as applying to you when you're 13. And the people making the decisions aren't necessarily the kids - it's often the parents/home country.
What's better, a league where 2/3 of the athletes are doping to some degree and 20% will eventually be caught, or one where 100% are doing it legally and the entire sport is being broadcast at its most competitive human level? Keep the baseline league but add an enhanced one for those who value legacy over their own testicles.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh yes, of course. There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they donโt excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. Iโve created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers."
this is dope, im going to keep reading thank you!
jf_ftw ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:23:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like half the weight lifters got popped from 2008, so we already have that
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:38:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly can't imagine any olympian in a physical sport not being on steroids of some sort. Half the dudes at the university gym are taking steroids, so it's not like they're hard to get. And it's not too hard to pass a drug test - you can either just not take drugs for some time before competition, or some people have genes that make them not register on drug tests.
And there are certain drugs that are very fast acting and incredibly hard to test for; see testosterone suspension
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
same for tren and other roids. but im fine with them taking whatever as long as everyone stops pretending that michael phelps is some kind of god who has never taken shit
The norml olympics is the steroid olympics. There is a reason people get popped in every single sport. People are either on legal roids or less that legal all the way to banned stuff. This isnt to say all athletes are but its a large part of any top level competitive sports.
Almost. athletes have to cycle to avoid testing positive for banned substances. If they were able to be open about it, they would be able to maximize their use.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but cycling is also beneficial for some sports. Cruising can cause health complications, including reducing your natural testosterone production, so in many ways cycling is a more sustainable long term strategy anyway.
Do you people mean actually riding a bike as cycling? Or am i missing something here.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, steroid cycles. Take steroids for like 3-6 months, then not taking them for the next 3-6 months. So that way you can pack on muscle and train harder, then be clean for drug tests.
I always thought the 100m sprint would be a lot more fun to watch if it were down a 55 degree incline into the level runoff area. And landing it would ve been as impressive as fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shiet, make the gradient slowly rise for a 100M sprint so that the last 10 meters are a 11% gradient
irmajerk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:42 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the first step on the slippery slope to the GELF revolution. We don't want that shit.
Before we know it, we'll be Blood Dome fighting for our lives against creatures that are just a pair of arms and legs attached to solid muscle mass, genetically designed to fight for days on end without stopping...
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give steroids or cocaine to NFL players. And swords. And switch the ball with a live grenade. And add some clowns running randomly into the field so we can see how fast these beasts really are. Unlike football today, I'd actually watch this.
I'd wager over 90% of NFL players are already on steroids, and that's being generous.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
too generous, i bet the only ones off it are the third string.
to be fair, you cant fucking play pro football without steroids. the recovery would be INSANE when you get smashed into the floor by 300lb lineman on the weekly. fuck that, let them roid
Are other sports federations outside of the US drug tested at the top level? It's so taboo in the US as it is with them being illegal, but I know the US is also one of if not the only country that deems posession and use of AAS illegal.
I've just recently gotten into researching them as I've considered taking some myself. It is just absolutely eye opening how people believe professional athletes are natural. My eye is pretty good now and I can identify a user at the gym usually just by looking at them, even if they're not abnormally huge or even big at all it's not hard to tell. People think I'm full of shit, I confront the guy politely asking if he's taking anything and 90% of the time they'll let me know what they're on. Steroid users love talking about them, and the 10% that just said "creatine and protein man haha" are the guys who just don't want to get in trouble, or they are instagram fake nattys.
I remember seeing a video not long ago where 300-400 olympians tested negative for PED use, their urine samples were kept and put through a different and more advanced test a year or two later and every single one of them popped.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually going to being doing a Tren/Testosterone cycle later this month, so I'm learning more and more about the doping culture and the reality that athletes face. Which olympics was that? AFAIK WADA oversees most pro-sports
Don't take too much tren. All the guys I've known who have taken it take fucking retarded doses, like 750mg/week. Is this going to be your first ever cycle? If not what was your first? I'm thinking about just running Test E between 500-600mg/week for ~12 weeks, I'm curious about what kind of gains I can expect. I'm already pretty big and strong at 5'10" 220lbs; 315 bench, 385 squat, 545 deadlift. I've seen before and after posts where people who had similar lifts to me only added maybe 10lbs to all their lifts, and then I've seen people who had similar numbers add over 100lbs on each lift.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn son. I'm 5'11 and 178. First cycle, it will be low-mid dose Tren along with test for ~3 months, injections twice a week. My first cycle and my new roomate is experienced with using it so I'm reading up more and more on it. Tren ace is usually mild side effects, roommate said the night sweats are the main issue.
I bet if you eat and train hard you can get up to 210 without gaining much fat. My buddy who used tren said when he used it he was injecting it twice a day most days, said because of the short ester he had to inject more often...
Good luck man, looking forward to seeing your progress! Stay safe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be super happy at 190 with 12-14%. I'll update ya some day! Good luck to you too
CC2804 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you'll find that's the current Olympics. Some athletes just cover it up better than others. Steroids have a strength gain of 60%, there's no way someone who wasn't juicing could compete with someone who was. We don't see that big a gap between athletes who are caught juicing and athletes who don't because they are all juicing... most don't get caught. Hiding your athletes drug tests is a big part of coaching.
Most Olympians are already are on steroids. They are undetectable designer drugs.
Edit: since the downvote brigade is out in force today.
tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/
don't know why your getting down voted maybe because people don't like hearing the truth.
A can tell you this. most top level professional cyclists are doping that includes your hero's and your favorites.
source: I am in pro cycling industry.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:45:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's bizarre how many people are unaware of steroid use. I can kind of understand bicyclists, because they aren't putting on crazy amounts of mass so there's no visible signs of use. But I know a lot of people, even weightlifters, who think that loads of bodybuilders who are clearly on steroids are natural. Of course, it's because they pretend to be natural to win competitions and sell supplements, but still, it's not that hard to see through.
It was interesting to actually meet some pro level cyclists and hear stories of what they knew and saw. Then then whole lance thing was going on as well. They really just made an example out of him and he was an easy target. Sooooooo many guys do it and its very easy to be clean for day of the tour of whatever it is at the time.
a clif notes version of what I was told by a pro cyclist... you dope dope dope pretty much max out your body. then you go clean and turn down your training and wait..your body retains that power/muscle memory for quite some time long enough for a 1-3 day or a few week cycling tour .. and now there are drugs to "clean you" essentially even a complete blood transfusion even with stronger enhanced blood that cant be detected. (kind of like someone who has genetics better than yours at that molecular level) so now your body for 1 or 2 months of straight doping is x100 times stronger than that of your opponents and is "clean". your body still has the feeling and effect of the dope built into the muscles which could never be as strong or function like that naturally.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but during the race they still have to keep hematocrit levels below 50% and so taking things like EPO you have to use before the race, and its harder to use during...but totally doable lol
Isn't that basically the World's Strongest Man competition? I heard they don't test for PEDs
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much any weightlifting or bodybuilding competition. Even with natural bodybuilding competitions all the competitors have taken drugs before. (Except for local competitions with like 5 competitors and a $15 prize.)
Amusingly, a lot of the 'natural bodybuilding' athletes fall into what people call 'technically natural'. They could have run gear for years and years and then cycle off for the competition.
Also, many will still be on steroids when actual competition rolls around. They either:
Have very expensive 'designer steroids' which can't be detected.
Simply don't get tested. They can't afford to test everyone.
Do really, really drastic things to hide their positive results like reverse-cathetering to pass a pee test. Yes. Literally filling up their bladder, through their dick, with clean urine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I hate how people say that since they didn't inject today they're natty. Like come on man, you don't lose all your muscle after a brief break.
Never heard of reverse cathetering, that's just insane...
I would like to see an Olympics where humans compete against other animals. Like a 100 meter dash where humans, dogs, deer, cheetahs barracudas, and rabbits.
Fudgms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did that in a show from the 80s called Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. Was pretty funny, i'm afraid to go look now because it was would be all so hokey.
Less than you think. the drop in home runs in major league baseball correlates much more closely to amphetamines being banned than the end of the steroids era. Little more pep, increases your focus for hours on end. They do stay nice and traceable in your system for a decent while though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been saying this for years! It would clear up the normal Olympics. Let's see what a fully jacked up human can do!
We'd have the special, normal, and super Olympics. I can only image what a rugby match full of roided out men would be like. I would pay to watch that.
tlux95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only to see the "natural" Olympics having better records in 60% of competitions because of increased injury rates in steroid Olympics. Checkmate atheists.
There's a fantastic book Aliens: Genocide (Alien series) where they explore this a little at the beginning of the story. They find out the queen jelly makes for a superhuman drug and they start using in the Olympics, which they are hosting in a post war world trying to reunite countries after much decimation from Alien infestation on earth.
It's in my top 10 favourite sci-fi books for unique solving of problems such as how they deal with the infestation, how they deal with acid, how they deal with genetic deviation. Very clever for such a short book in an overdone series and genre.
Ah on a similar vein it would be cool to see individual liberty reach the point where we bring back the gladitor fighting pits. Possibly with an 80+ age limit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think there isn't any doping at the olympics you're in for a big surprise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i see people saying shit like going to another solar system or getting unlimited energy, then just you wanting to see some nutter off his rocker running the 100m then crumbling to dust
I remember seeing a comment somewhere about wanting to keep the regular Olympics dignified and drug-free and pure, but wanting a second set of competitions where basically it's a free-for-all, do whatever you want to win kind of thing. Just to see the full extent a human body can be pushed to in any way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thaaaaats the Olympics now, if you think those athletes are natural then you need to do some reading
We'd soon see the pinnacle of human performance, but along the way I imagine it'd just be a litany of broken bodies and ruined lives. Not sure if that's worth it
I'd love to see that too, but I think the amount of deaths from overdoses would be ridiculous. Athletes have to take what they can get away with to not get caught; imagine if there was no regulation.
If we allow technology (chemistry, bionics etc) to modify sports too much, what's the point?
A Ferrari can go faster than any person filled with the best drugs or a bionic leg. Nobody could jump higher than the height where airplanes fly. Any artillery could shoot any shell a lot further than a person with super muscles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yes.
MuhBack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took a job in the logistics and transportation industry about a month ago. We use a lot of abbreviations and such, so FTL stands for something else. I stared at your comment for longer than I'd like to admit, wondering "why is he under the impression that Full Truck-Load travel isn't something readily available today?"
Even so, how would it be used as a weapon to kidnap people?
I mean, I can conceive of a situation where it could be used to enslave societies, but how could it be used to aid abduction of just a few individuals?
Pretty damn light hearted if you see it from the earths perspective.
Plenty of fertilizer and no more purposeful pollution.
Then again, our main goal could be to find ways to bring life back to dead planets.
The Bringers of Life. Kinda has a nice ring to it.
I never said it would make us immortal. Car wrecks, murder, natural disasters, illness, and idiocy are all still possibly fatal.
But you still make a good point
Edit: yes I did my bad
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
66% in underdeveloped and 90% in the western world deaths are of old age.
And well, if it's a youth serum, a lot of age related illnesses won't matter anymore either so that number will go up even more.
Having a huge population boom before we fix our planet and our resource issues will be disastrous.
We're already in a situation where we have over 2ce as many births per year as we have deaths. We're already heading towards a situation we have no idea of how to deal with it. Ending natural death will just make way for death trough war, famine, etc then.
Wow. This is mostly news to me. I guess it would have to make most people sterile too then. Or regulations on procreation would have to be instated. Maybe a youth serum would be a bad idea after all. Not that I'd care I'm looking forward to being old. That way I won't be seen as unambitious, just old.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New procedure lengthens human telomeres, opening avenues for future anti-aging treatments. Procedure is novel in how the effects are transient- the telomere lengthening is limited and can be repeated multiple times.
I got gilded a few months ago and decided to finally check out /r/lounge. There is a thread from 7 fucking years ago where some guy begs the admins to start using the money from reddit gold to make the site better.
Absolutely none of the things the mentioned in the thread have been done. And at least one admin was responding to comments in the thread as well.
x3w3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think searching for a title that was on the front page yesterday would pull up relatively high in the search basically, but nope. You get 30 things ranging from a week old to 4 years ago and maybe find what you want around item 146. Just Google it. You'll get the result you want about 90% of the time
The Singularity will have come and gone, and there will be no biological humans left, but reddit will still be around and people will still be using their brain-keyboards to type "site:www.reddit.com" into google to find a post that was on the frontpage 30 minutes ago.
Honestly, it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. Nowadays, as long as you remember key words you can find what you're looking for, but back when I started coming here like eight years ago you could type the exact title of a front page post into the search bar and it wouldn't come up.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:30:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google is great in general, but it seems to have little or no understanding of post karma. It's so easy to search for something that you know should have some big threads but Google ends up listing some minor threads first. You'd think that all else equal, the karma would be akin to having links to a page (ie, it should impact the Google page rank).
A priest had been very loyal and humble his entire life and began earnestly speaking out loud to God. He said, "Lord, I've been good and have followed your word, and I expect nothing in return, but if you feel gracious enough, I have a request."
A blinding shiny light appeared before the priest and before him stood God. "What is it I can do for you my child?" He asked terrifyingly.
"God, I've always wanted to go to Hawaii, but I've never flown and am afraid to. I would really like it if there were a bridge so I could drive over there on my next vacation."
God responded,"I can do that. I can. But it would really take away from all this beauty I have spent all this time creating. Is there anything else you would rather have?"
The priest thought for a second and said,"Actually, I would like a fully functional reddit search function."
God quickly responded,"Did you want that bridge to be 2 lanes or 4 lanes?"
The back-end is basically rewritten and complete. Every submission and comment is searchable. Elasticsearch backend endpoints are accessible publicly for anyone who wants to write an amazing front-end. It's fast, efficient and can search anything!
I just wish there were a way to find new subreddits without waiting until I randomly hear about them through word of mouth. Like if the admin of the subreddit could apply a basic tag like 'darkhumor' or 'academic' or 'supportive'.
Cars are better for transportation, just like how Google is better for general web searching. But I'm sure you can imagine that some people still want to ride or take care of horses. While Google has a nice search, reddit has the ability to add features specific to the site that Google isn't gonna do. Not to mention that if there's a search bar on a site, you'd expect it to work.
Last time I was visiting my uncle's ranch, one of his horses got out of its enclosure in the night. They wrangled it back in in the morning and we figured that was that. A few months later I start noticing I'm getting worse gas mileage. Took it to the shop, they couldn't find anything wrong, so I figured maybe I was just driving like an asshole.
About a month after that, the thing stalls at a stop sign (on my way to a job interview, of course), a console light comes on saying "labor", and 45 minutes later a mule squeezed its way right out of my exhaust pipe.
The horse fucked my car and got it pregnant. The fetus was just gestating there in my gas tank all those months, not contributing a dime to my increasingly frequent fillups. I didn't even think my car could get pregnant because it was already a hybrid, which supposedly means it's sterile (guess again, Toyota), but I was at least thinking quickly enough to take pictures of it as it happened.
Luckily it was still under warranty and they paid to have it slaughtered and butchered, so I got a few incredible batches of chili out of the whole thing. Gimme 10 minutes or so to dig up the pictures and the chili recipe... I was irritated at the time but looking back on it, it was actually quite beautiful.
If you wanted to look it up in the future but couldn't remember the title, typing in stuff that has to do with the picture isn't gonna turn up anything because the title is kind of just a punchline.
That's why its hard to search for stuff on reddit.
A top notch reddit search function probably exists for admin use only. But they will not release it becasue they know people will post and comment less if they see how good and far-reaching a search function can be.
That's retarded logic, tons of subreddits have rules which explicitly say search before posting. The search function helps defeat clutter and from one type of post getting made over and over
Isn't it just google? Typing in reddit and a couple keywords works for me most of the time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have that. It's called Google
whait ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When this comes up, why is the Google option never mentioned? It's not like every new internet user automatically knows about using Google to search Reddit.
Probably the most viable way to do it so far. you can donate to the cause
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:51:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not good, at all. The best way to help stop the plastic from coming into the ocean is to cheapen the production of biopolymers, and tax the production of other polymers
from what I understand the collection method is done through passive concentration. The arms sweep plastic towards the center where a conveyor belt collects it. the arms aren't really nets, and they don't go that deep, so I don't think wildlife would really get caught up in it. Plus there are relatively few animals near the surface in the middle of the atlantic
Sklain ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a report on fossil fuels and a geologist from 1885 said "that the amazing exhibition of oil was only a temporary and vanishing phenomenon-one which young men will live to see come to its natural end." He was off by a bit.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:25:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:16:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oil companies wont switch to renewables becayse they aren't as lucrative and simply don't provide enough power. Countries like the united states can't afford to give up fossil fuels yet because they wouldn't be able to power their country without it at the moment.
But shouldn't those huge conglomerates realize renewables are the new fossil fuel and want to start transitioning their boatloads of money to a product that they can afford to create infrastructure for, and is going to keep them in business for theoretically ever? I'm sorry if this seems like a stupid question but it really seems like the obvious choice given the alternatives. They aren't as lucrative or powerful yet! I'm sure the government will give them all sorts of kickbacks for building out the infrastructure for that, just like they did with all that ISP infrastructure money they gave out and we never saw build anything with.
Renewables aren't the new fossil fuel because the technology we currently have to harness them are inefficient, expensive, damaging to the environment, etc. Until renewable energy technology becomes a viable alternative, fossil fuels will continue to be the main source of energy. A good alternative would be to switch from fossil fuel to NUCLEAR energy, a much cleaner and efficient energy source, until renewable catches up enough to orovide for everyone. Making the leap from fossil fuel to renewables right now would bankrupt the energy sector and leave the United States with not enough power to keep the lights on.
Making the leap from fossil fuel to renewables right now would bankrupt the energy sector and leave the United States with not enough power to keep the lights on.
I wasn't suggesting they dump everything and switch over. Just that they start investing and looking into it would be a wise decision.
Renewables aren't the new fossil fuel because the technology we currently have to harness them are inefficient, expensive, damaging to the environment, etc. Until renewable energy technology becomes a viable alternative, fossil fuels will continue to be the main source of energy.
How are all of these other countries I see making waves managing to do it if the technology isn't there?
A good alternative would be to switch from fossil fuel to NUCLEAR energy, a much cleaner and efficient energy source, until renewable catches up enough to orovide for everyone.
I'm not in disagreement with you there one bit. But people hear nuclear and think Hiroshima, Chernobyl, or three mile island and it's sayonara getting that legislation thru.
jsg_nado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're changing your tune. Initially you said "start transitioning". That means doing something, not just "investing and researching" of course they're allready investing and researching. Every oil company is.
Other countries can do it because they don't need to support an energy thirsty 350 million person country. We dont have the technology to provide renewable energy on that scale yet.
People hear and think Hiroshima, Chernobyl, or Three Mile
First, I think you mean Fukushima, not Hiroshima. So they look at one incident in the United States' nuclear history in 60 years and decide that nuclear power is unsafe? That's just plain stupid. We shouldn't compare our nuclear facilities to those of other countries. Ours are different and are managed by different people in different ways. Being scared of Nuclear power is only something that uninformed people do.
grimston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but insulting someone's intelligence is not how you persuade them or open them to discussion
First of all Lithium is a mineral that we mine out of the earth just like coal, and it's in nearly every new age battery. What happens when we run out of that?
What? Don't be stupid. The guy asked how renewables are complicated. Just pointing out one aspect. I don't know how the hell you jumped to me saying oil is more sustainable. You're just looking for a fight, aren't you?
I don't think you understand. This is the reddit anti-Trump circlejerk. You're supposed to ignore even the most basic facts of how government works and just hate on Trump. Bonus points for bringing up Trump in all threads everywhere, even when he has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Now you try it.
Why wind turbines? They aren't going to last. Either you'll run out of room to place them or they'll be replaced by something better. They're by far the worst form of energy production we have if you goal is to replace fossil fuels with renewables. They are intermittent, an issue that will never be fixed, and they're likely to be replaced by solar when solar becomes more and more efficient.
If I were in your shoes I would continue with this, then work on becoming a civil engineer or something. That way you'll still have a job in 30 years.
I'm sure the people in developing nations would love to starve because we can only use enough energy to produce enough food for developed nations. Electricity is essential. You can't just say cut back, or get rid of it. People's lives depend on it.
Sounds like mountaintop removal mining. That's not related to the wind turbines as far as I know...
And I get the noise complaint, but how do they ruin the local economy? They're just turbines. As for the view, I honestly find them pretty aesthetically pleasing, but that's just personal opinion
A Leaf. Or a Spark, Bolt? Chevy's confuse me with the names.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Volt is the least dorky hybrid/electric car (other than the hybrid versions of 'normal' cars... which is probably how I would have preferred any of them). That's not saying much, of course. :D
Won't happen as long as the big companies just keep shoveling cash into governments pockets.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time to build the Wall-Es!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On this same line everyone transitioning to a plant based diet. We would have longer life spans (thanks to less heart disease, diabetes, and cancer), less global warming, and itโd be much more ethical.
How would we control local herbivore populations? Currently we literally need to hunt deer, lest they overpopulate and wreak havoc on their own ecosystem. They'd eat each other into starvation while decimating plant populations. And I'd rather not waste venison. Not to mention wild boar populations, which are already out of control to the point that they're always in season in many states. Plus, hunters donate those boars they kill if they can, to local shelters and the like. Not even USA can transition everyone to vegan diets right now.
I should say, I'm not against transitioning to a vegan diet. It's just that right now, it isn't feasible. We need to reintroduce natural predators, but people fight that too. There's so many issues to work out before we can actually make the change to a vegan world, it isn't as simple as you'd like to think.
yong598 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Animal agriculture is rezpobsible for alot of climate change, pollution and unneeded suffering. I'm not saying everyone should go 100% vegan but if we all reduced a little it could help alot.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much deer do you eat? If thatโs the only meat you can consume then good for you but Iโm willing to bet itโs not. If youโre so concerned about the ecosystem then donโt eat foods that lead to deforestation and animal abuse.
Neither of you provided any actual insight. Just a bunch of vegan rhetoric that helps no one. These are REAL LIFE ISSUES that need to be addressed before we can truly move past a meat-centric society, or else they'll become new and even worse problems. Hoards of deer and boar ruining crops won't help the world become vegan.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deer and boar arenโt the main problem and make up a small fraction of the animal products consumed. Youโre trying to point to that as a justification for eating all animal products which doesnโt work.
You missed the point by about 10 miles there bub. I said they will become problem animals, destroying ecosystems and farmland. I never tried to justify eating meat, as it needs no justification. We are animals, and animals eat other animals. It's nature. The problem comes when there's nothing eating a certain animal, they get out of control and wreck the balance. We killed most of the wolves, now only humans keep deer and now boar somewhat under control.
I get your point, but I don't think "we're animals" justifies us eating meat. Giraffes are animals so are deer, rabbits, cows, elephants etc. They can all survive off of a plant-based diet and studies (and live, healthy vegans) show that we too, can live without meat. I know humans bare physical characteristics that imply that we are omnivorous species such as our canines or our inability to break down cellulose but I don't believe that means we cannot survive off of a plant-based diet. I believe they are simply remains of the type of species we used to be. As we know, due to evolution, things change, we adapt to constantly changing surroundings and leave behind old traits that do not benefit us anymore. This to me is what our canines are for instance or our coccyx although that has nothing to do with this topic haha. They're just reminders of what we evolved from. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we all began eating plants, our digestive systems (perhaps thousands of years from now but still these things take time) we would be able to break down cellulose. Because again, we adapt.
When it comes to overpopulation within a certain species (which happens) an inevitable population crash takes care of it and reinstalls a balance. Simply look at Darwin's theory on evolution, more specifically the "survival of the fittest" part. The problem arises when humans interfere with this process by destroying their habitat by means of deforestation, building motorways that isolate them, intensive agriculture etc. We're essentially not letting overpopulation take care of itself.
Side note: I don't mean to sound defensive, feel free to disagree but I'd be interested in what you think of this.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but most of the mentioned creatures will eat meat if the opportunity arises. :/ that's nature. I don't doubt that we'll move to eating all plant matter, but that's due to our intelligence which was brought around by eating meat. I'm just trying to point out issues that will arise in that vegan shift. We'll probably stop hunting, but right now? Deer have no natural predators in my area, nor do boars. We killed all the predators. We're trying to bring them back, but right now hunting is necessary and I'd rather those bodies not go to waste.
Oh, and your coccyx keeps your butthole closed. It's the anchor for the muscles in your anus. Try not to break it!
As far as I know they're digestive system is not built for meat. They will no doubt kill animals in a gruesome, bloody manner if provoked but it's rare that they actually eat them. Let's hope you're right about that intelligence part :')
The point I was trying to make was that hunting isn't necessary to deal with overpopulation. What I believe and know (not to say that it must be right but it's what I've managed to conclude from my ecology studies and personal research) is that overpopulation takes care of itself once the species exceeds it's carrying capacity. Meaning if there are in fact too many deer, there simply wouldn't be enough natural resources to keep them all alive. So slowly but surely, their number will be reduced (naturally).
My bad, I didn't know that haha thanks! (I still stand by the canines tho)
The problem with letting overpopulation take care of itself is that these animals will destroy our crops. They already do, so the only way they'll reduce is if we stop planting which... Not gonna happen. It'll only get worse with more deer, our food becomes their food.
They also make land more fertile thanks to their manure and by their decaying bodies which are natural fertilisers. Killing them gives farmers one more reason to use chemical fertilisers that can cause eutrophication, causing acid rain and damaging crops permanently.
I just wanna say, thanks for being decent and respectful. Even if we disagree on some points, no reason we can't be civil like this. I should have known I'd be getting flamed for pointing out possible future issues in a hypothetical scenario (had fun talking with you though!)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think youโre missing the point. Deer and boar arenโt the main animals we consume and ecploit and they arenโt part of the factory farming and agriculture that are contributing to climate change so pointing to them is a fringe argument.
Not all animals eat other animals and the human body is not designed to eat meat and it is especially not designed to drink the breast milk of other animals.
Holy shit i never said they're the main farm animals, I SAID THEY WILL CREATE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE.
Further, eating meat is literally what made us humans. Calorie dense cooked meat gave us a surplus, which we used to develop our brains. And I'm one of the growing minority whose body CAN digest milk past infancy, so why shouldn't i? I can't digest cellulose, but i am supposed to eat that? Your arguments are based on morals, not logic. You won't win anyone over by guilting them, besides, i said earlier i wouldn't be opposed to making a vegan world. I'm trying to point out issues we would have in making that happen. That's all.
Fallacy number 2: "I can digest milk so why shouldn't I?" - this is a logical fallacy. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. See also: appeal to nature.
Did you know that chimpanzees, our closest living relative, hunt smaller monkeys? Not for territorial purposes. They set up a trap and chase the monkeys into it to catch, kill, and eat them. Why do you think our ancestors were any different? Do you think uncontacted tribes eat only vegetation? A bulk, surely, but they need meat to survive. Otherwise, why bother hunting?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldnโt drink milk because it puts you at a higher risk for cancer and broken bones.
Being mammal makes me more likely to get cancer and broken bones? Rough, but unavoidable. Water, fat, calcium and vitamins. That's all milk is. Nutrients necessary for life. Drinking hot drinks increases your risk for cancer, so does going outside, living in a city...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to that, since I don't guzzle milk by the gallon, I'm much more likely to get skin or lung cancer. Besides, fucking everything can give you cancer these days. Your morning coffee or afternoon tea will give you throat cancer. Getting your daily vitamin d by using the sun to metabolise it will give you skin cancer. Don't even get started on the pesticides used on literally every piece of food you eat. Breathing? Cancer.
"Why bother hunting?" Well one of the reasons would be bc vegetation wasn't so abundant and easily accessible to them at the time. It was a lot easier for them to chase after an animal with a spiky object bc they didn't have the brains yet to know about planting and agriculture.
Now that we have all the knowledge of agriculture at our disposal there's almost no need to continue eating meat.
Did you read the sentence before that quote? Besides, our brains have been about the same for the 200,000 years our species have been around, they were ignorant of agriculture. Don't go insulting our ancestors because they hadn't discovered something yet. A few hundred years ago people thought flies came from meat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to yell, bud.
I donโt get why youโre so worried about the future when weโre facing problems right now. Youโre not arguing against my points about our current diet, youโre just trying to divert the argument.
Someone else has already responded to your other points so I wonโt bother.
By fixing our now problems, we create later problems. In a never ending cycle, unless we start working preventatively instead of reactively. The very first response I put was outlining issues we would have creating a vegan world, the whole thread isn't even about now. It's about the future.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And right now our future is not sustainable with how we eat. We can stop eating farm animals and keep the hunting the same and things will be fine.
yong598 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoards of boars and deer will not happen because of natural predators and hunting
We are the only natural predators left. We already killed 99% of wolves in America, we're trying to bring them back but people are fighting it. If we all went vegan, hunting would only be for sport. Is that better? Most hunters would say no.
Oh sure, Illinois, New York, California, Texas, Michigan... No way will anyone complain that we're releasing dangerous alpha predators near their homes. It's not that simple. This has been my point this entire time. Even out in BFE, people complain about them because they kill their livestock and even their dogs. You can't just make a country vegan, you can't just release predators, there are problems they solve and problems they create. I'm not the bad guy for pointing out these problems. I'm also not saying "keep doing exactly what we're doing", because I know it can't continue this way.
thalama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not killing their natural predators because they mildly inconvenience us would be a start.
Although I 100% agree in principle - optimum human diet contains at least some animal matter. But we do currently eat far too much of it, far too regularly (at least in the western world).
To prescribe a vegan diet to everyone, irrespective of their individual biochemistry wouldn't be an amazing idea for their health though, imo (based on information I have read thus far).
"A plant-based diet flat out does not provide a number of basic nutrients, including: Carnosine, vitamin D3, taurine, carnitine, retinol, conjugated linoleic acid and long-chained omega-3 fats. (B12 is also difficult to come by, but this is partially down to us sterilising vegetables, killing the bacteria on the vegetables which would manufacture b12.)" [posted by me in a different comment]
... I would type out the rest, but I don't think you listen to stuff that doesn't fit your view of the world already. ("Got a source for that claim" lmao)
If you research both sides of the argument, rather than just solely reading pro-vegan stuff, it's difficult to maintain a vegan stance on grounds of health. On morality though, sure.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I havenโt seen anything that suggest any amount of animal flesh is necessary for optimal health whereas a plant based diet is the only thing thatโs reversed heart disease in clinical trials and cutting beef out of the American diet would help us meet our Paris goals by 2020 if we changed nothing else.
HeadMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
However, there are countless problems with this idea. First and foremost, you have to address what happens to the cattle farmers. I grew up in an area with a lot of farming and most of my friend worked summer jobs at cattle ranches in college. It is the lifeblood of some communities in rural areas and by cutting beef from the US, we will in turn be cutting cattle farmers from their jobs. Although it may have some benefits, it seems like cutting off the thumb to remove the splinter. Also, the US no longer has any Paris goals, we withdrew from the accords on June 1st.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our agricultural model is a hell of a lot more than a splinter with the damage itโs doing to us and the planet. Iโm from KY and the coal people arenโt happy weโre moving away from it but that doesnโt mean we need to keep it around and keep destroying the planet. We can solve these problems as a community.
I know weโre not in the Paris accords anymore but it doesnโt mean we shouldnโt try for them, regardless of our dumbass presidents decisions.
HeadMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is difficult to function as a community when you refer to the elected leader as a dumbass and have no regard for compromise in areas of agriculture and production.
Itโs slightly difficult to cite the reasons in a concise way, but if we're just covering the basics:
A plant-based diet flat out does not provide a number of basic nutrients, including: vitamin D3, Carnosine, taurine, carnitine, retinol, conjugated linoleic acid and long-chained omega-3 fats. (B12 is also difficult to come by, but this is partially down to us sterilising vegetables, killing the bacteria on the vegetables which would manufacture b12.)
Cholesterol (despite its demonisation) is a vital component of every cell membrane in the body and forms the basis of steroid hormones. There are also various studies showing that males who are vegan have resulting lower testosterone levels from lack of cholesterol (saturated fat) in their diet.
Our digestive system falls somewhere between what is typical for carnivores and herbivores. I wouldnโt at all argue that we are designed to eat purely meat - our relatively long digestive tract and inability to synthesise vitamin C would strongly suggest otherwise. But equally, the length of our intestines compared against actual herbivores (being on the short side) would suggest that we are not designed to subsist solely on plants.
As to the argument that humans โchooseโ to eat meat now and that it is a social behaviour, rather than something that we have physically adapted to do: our current brain size and physiology points to the incorporation of meat into our speciesโ predecessors diet. This created an energy surplus, and in conjunction with our ability to cook the meat (humanoids(?) discovered cooking around a million years ago) allowed an increased brain size over time 1. by making eating a less physically arduous activity (less chewing needed = less muscle mass needed in the skull) 2. energy surplus which could be used to support a bigger brain.
I'm not discounting your opinions, and in fact completely admire and respect the fact that you are taking steps to minimise your impact on the environment, (which I definitely think should be a much bigger priority for everyone) and doesn't contribute to the suffering of animals.
I'm simply saying that I don't think a diet devoid of any animal product is what humans have evolved to eat. Although, as I said, I do think westerners (and others) could do with eating less of it than they currently do.
Also, when I see someone say that they havenโt seen anything that conflicts with their beliefs, it usually means that they donโt go looking to double check fact against what they already thinkโฆ It's good to try and read both sides of the argument.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my months of research, I've never come across any of this, except b12, which as you said is just due to how we sterilize our vegetables. The idea that there's something we need and can only get from meat is just flat out ridiculous though. Animals don't just randomly make all of those nutrients, they absorb them through plants and so can we.
Also, I have looked to double check because the whole reason I'm switching to a plant based diet is my girlfriend decided to and I set out to prove to her that plant based wasn't the way to go and instead realized I was in the wrong.
Bear in mind that much of the benefits of vegan diets comes from the fact that they consist of (when done right) largely non-processed, whole foods.
When this is compared against what the general populous consumes, (large amounts of highly processed foods) the health benefits seem magical, when in fact, if anyone consumed a diet low in processed foods - whether that included minimally processed animal products or not - they would likely see a very rapid change in their health for the better.
On top of this, different people will do better with different proportions of fat, protein and carbs in their diet, depending on their biochemistry. Some people will do better on vegan diets than others, as the high protein/high carb/low fat profile is what they tolerate best.
Nofgob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good example of this would be the Innuit people who eat primarily meat since they rarely can access plant matter and who's physiology is adapted to that sort of diet. They would likely do very poorly on vegan diet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_cuisine
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is itโs just not sustainable for us to eat meat as a species with how big we are.
Nofgob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree especially at our current rate of consumption.
I just don't think we can realistically cut out meat in the short term as a species or we'll be losing a large portion of our diet as well as with the fact that some humans literally have to eat meat to stay healthy (Innuit example). We can definitely cut back on the amount of meat we eat. For example eating meat like once or twice a week instead of every meal every day would probably be a health benefit for most people while also drastically reducing the number of domestic animals we breed as well as the amount of fish we pull from our fisheries.
Just like the food pyramid our idea of a proper amount of meat consumed is probably skewed and should be adjusted based off our individual needs.
Doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon. Too many people find meat too delicious.
What I consider more likely is that vat grown meat becomes a mass industry. That offers much of the same advantages: Less CO2/methane output, less water usage, more resource efficient and much more ethical.
Pleistocene existence isn't the ideal for humans... yes we can eat meat and obviously no hungry societies should pass it up, that doesn't mean a meat free diet where available isn't healthier. Not to mention far better for our extremely vulnerable environment
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about we search for a clean means of production for renewable energy. As it stands (given the same length of time) building the infrastructure to produce the same amount of energy needed for a society as is currently being produced by not green energy actually produces more emissions than if they had done nothing. Of course those numbers fall in favor of green energy in the long run as it is just a "startup" cost rather than standard upkeep.
Kinda hard when every world leader is more worried about their own wealth and power than with helping their constituents. Except Justin Trudeau. That guy's cool
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it costs more, then we should just keep how it is. Electricity is already expensive and shouldn't cost more.
There's no such thing as clean energy. Wind turbines cannot physically provide the power necessary to replace fossil fuels, solar takes tons of toxic chemicals to produce, and everyone hates nuclear because people hate science.
Better hope drilling techniques get better so geothermal becomes viable anywhere.
Plus, its graphics are not great by a LONG shot, but good gameplay/replay value totally tops amazing art. I'm not saying games get a pass to look shitty, but I think I made the point ok
I just got it for the first time yesterday. The hype is real! All I know is that I'm a postman and the giant bugs are evil so I'm super excited to go into this blind.
They have technology equivalent to 1945 America, no time soon are they going to have ICBM tech unless another country aside from Iran begin to collaborate on their weapons program.
If NK takes one shot at us with one ICBM I feel like they just sign their own death certificate.
Zain-117 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another redditor said that even if they take a shot, we have to be careful because in the event of an invasion or missile attack against NK, they have orders to start bombarding SK until they run out of ammo.
NK doesn't have aircraft that would pose a threat. They have artillery and we have anti-artillery batteries. Seoul would still hurt a bit (or more) but the war would be over fast... ignoring the China variable.
I don't think China would side with a country that launched an ICBM at a superpower. Even ignoring that doing anything but condemn NK's nuclear strike would be political suicide, what's to say they wouldn't be capable of attempting nuclear strikes elsewhere if left alone after the first, they may even take a swing at China, and before anyone says how stupid that would be, we're talking in hypotheticals after which they have already nuked the US, which is pretty darn stupid.
I would too, but suddenly you've got China right on the border of an important US ally/protectorate in S. Korea; it'd probably result in increased US military presence in S. Korea. We'd basically be holding China to the honor system as to whether or not they'd keep going past the DMZ once they took over Best Korea.
I think that's exactly why they've never done it for all their tough talk. Kim Jung-Il knew that very well, I think. I hope like hell that his son understands that too.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:52:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where they can hit seems to change every day. I hear some sources saying they can hit Alaska, some saying they can hit SF or LA (though those are under a portable nuclear air defense net if I remember rightly), and now they can apparently hit Chicago.
This would be amazing. Ideally ending with starting New Vegas
FTFY
dh6387 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 21:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I got a cancer reading some of the comments... I'm a South Korean. No, I don't know what bullcrap you've been picking up from the internet, their situation is real. Not as much as we thought before the 90's, but few chosen people living in Pyeongyang having a phone and people watching a dvd of SK TV series from 5 years ago they got from black market risking imprison in labor camp is not a international 'decent life'; And yes! we want to get back together! This would be the new frontier for Industrial workers and companies and many different jobs like teachers, doctors, etc. But we don't want to deal with Kim family and his worshippers, and inevitable heavy taxes right now. We are having enough problems on our own. No, besides some words in language, cultural differences and Kim propaganda, We can communicate with each other perfectly fine. Why would you think that?! Did Germans from west couldn't understand people from DDR? I met two NK refugees in my life, one was a construction worker, and one was a singer. I could talk to them with much little difficulties as I thought before.
I'm curious, what is the average South Korean perspective on the economic ramifications of reunification? It doesn't sound like there are ANY reasonable solutions?
I can't speak for the average south Korean's opinion (I'm a Korean emigrant living in North America) but the economic consequences of reunification are enormous. Increasing a country's population by a third by a largely uneducated peoples that have no familiarity of the existing capitalist mode of production in place in South Korea would create disaster that will reverberate through decades. Think German unification but multiple magnitudes worse.
I can't think of any realistic solutions. By ending the Kim regime, the world would have 25 million refugees that have been fed propaganda for generations. What happens then?
I guess it explains why 'kicking the can' has seemed like the best plan to politicians for so long. Taking no action is a bad idea, but all the ideas seem bad.
And the financial costs of reunification would be astronomical. Just look at Germany. Arguably West Germany is still paying the financial price of reunification 28 years later. Freeing North Korea would be like welcoming 25 million refugees to South Korea.
The cost is China won't go for that, and war with China would be... expensive. Even if China decided to look the other way, the US wouldn't go for it. Without NK as a credible threat, the US loses a lot of influence with Asian allies.
Even if china was for that, the cleanup (unless you kill every singe person up there) will go over 1 trilion dollars, and you could count on city-guerilla warfare, distrust to any asians cause they would be blowing themselves up. Reintegration to society also has massive associated costs, and west would share border with china. That would be teriffying
It's going to be a crisis trying to integrate, reeducate and feed a brainwashed, impoverished, hungry people like in North Korea. That's part of the reason China isn't doing anything about KJU, they don't want the N. Korean problem at their doorstep. It will overwhelm South Korea as well. It will have to be handled very delicately. (The reintegration)
Read about the unification of East and West Germany, it wasn't as clean as people think. Eastern Germany is stillmuch poorer than the west.
North Korea is a lot worse off than even the most decrepit parts of the GDR were, it's been substantially longer, and the cultures are even more different. Getting a new government would be great, and there might still be hope of a reasonably well off North Korea in the far future, but unification is a fantasy.
s_h_d ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm living in the West and there is still the word "Dunkeldeutschland" (dark Germany, referring to the GDR claiming they didn't have bulbs or electricity). It's a given that they are still poorer, but I doubt that unification would be impossible for Korea. South Korea could learn from Germany and what mistakes to avoid (e.g. avoid instant economic unification to help move from Socialism to Capitalism less quickly) and what to copy. It would be a challenge, but I'm sure, just like with Germany, the political will would be there.
from documentaries i've seen, it would be insanely difficult to integrate an entire nation of north koreans with south koreans. these people are literally living in a fantasy world with little to no comprehension of the outside world due to generations of propaganda and isolation from the outside world. mix that with poor education and little to no modern day skills (on the level of the average sk, at least) and it would almost undoubtedly result in an economic meltdown. yes, some have managed to escape and live seemingly normal lives, but multiply that by millions of people suddenly needing help and it's not so easy. north korea is going to have to fix itself.
s_h_d ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always unsure where actual delusion ends and where acting out of fear begins. China isn't too far off, and I've seen one documentary saying that China (which is apparently more free than North Korea) had cultural influence on North Korea with foreign DVDs leaking into the country, exposing the rich people (probably exclusively Pyeongyang) to other cultures.
I'm not sure whether the people are that deluded at all. If you were to watch GDR state TV, you would probably see mostly positive propaganda as well. You wouldn't find a lot of people trying to talk badly about the government of they knew they were going to die because of it. Surely North Korean censorship wouldn't let TV reporters have record poor people suffering hunger, especially not foreign ones. In most documentaries I've seen, the reporters weren't even allowed to casually talk to people.
I'm not sure about the comparison with the GDR, though, as 80 years ago, Germany was already an industrially developed nation whereas Korea was more of a agriculture country.
On top of that, the North Korean language is different enough from South Korean that they created a translation app for defectors. One more little thing adding to the complexity.
No it's the same language. South Koreans just have a lot more words for new technologies that don't exist in the north. It's Scottish English vs American English. Yeah, maybe he's hard to understand but it's the same.
I said different enough, not that it's a different language my dude. Its more akin to an american speaking to a person that uses the natural mix of Scots and English that a lot of Scotland uses. South Korea already has widely varied dialects but North Korean is even more difficult. Its also not just technical terms, unless you think ice cream is a technical word.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:01:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is with the massive refugee crisis it would cause. You think people are upset with accepting Syrian refugees? North Korean refugees would be on such a larger scale.
From what I've seen, America's hatred for middle Eastern refugees stems mostly from all the war and accompanying propaganda they've been making over there for god knows how many years. It would certainly be interesting to see how they'd react to Korean refugees though.
With a tyrant as dangerous as Kim Jong Un, outside action could be necessary and justified.
ar-_0 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except "outside action" always leaves the people worse off than before, as it looks out for the interests of the imperialist country before those of the people they fight for.
ArkLinux ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:12:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except things can't get a lot worse in the DPRK.
DPRK under Kim's rule:
Want a mix-race child? Kill the child/baby/fetus.
Make a typo in the newspaper regarding Kim? Labor camp for 10 years.
Want to travel to another city/state/region? Nope.
Want to practice religion? Death.
Don't want to have your education interrupted? Get drafted alongside hundreds of thousands of other students to perform a parade in Kim's honor: practicing 12 hours a day, everyday for six months.
Want access to health care (only access not the health care itself)? No can do.
Want food? Only what we ration you, but we might take that back too.
DPRK under UN rule:
Want a mix-raced child? Go for it.
Make a typo in the newspaper regarding ruler? Go ahead, you can also criticize your government without fear of death.
Want to travel to another city/state/region? Go to another country even.
Want to practice religion? Go for it.
Don't want to have your education interrupted? As long as were not in war, it really won't be.
Want access to health care (only access not the health care itself)? You will have access and it will be cheap.
Want food? Buy as much as you can eat.
Although you might not like imperialism, imperialism would significantly increase the quality of life in the DPRK. If you disagree with me, then please read A/HRC/25/63. This is a report of the [UN's]Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. This will change your mind.
1SensFan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:34:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In theory it should work like that but in reality that is not always the case.
Only only has to look as far as Iraq and Libya to see that it is not all sunshine and rainbows once you get rid of the evil dictator. They are both arguably worse off after the deposition of their dictators than they were under them.
It would be better if the DPRK were like Iraq rather than how it is today. Things literally couldn't be worse. The living conditions if the DPRK are worse than in any other country. Not only is practically everything against the law, but also every citizen is essentially a spy. Men will report their wives and children to the government if they break the law. Neighbors will report neighbors. Sisters report brothers and vice-versa. In most other countries, people have the right to food and to work. Not in the DPRK. What other country prevents you from leaving your city/region when you're not at war? And even when you are at war? What countries indoctrinate their children that their leader is God(besides ancient Egypt)?
It would be better if there was a war being fought in the DPRK because then people would be able to leave.
I know that the US/UN didn't help reestablish middle eastern countries after occupying them, but the DPRK is worse off now than any of those countries are/have been.
Unless the US decides to nuke the whole country, I don't really see how things could get worse.
Imagine if North Korea goes too far, China abandons it and the UN authorises an invasion. The regime falls and every trace of the Kim family and the North Korean government is eradicated. Now what?
You have 25,000,000 people without a social service system, without a functioning government and under the control of an 'enemy' that the NK government has spent 60 years telling them kills babies. Images like these are what North Koreans have been exposed to for enough time for people to be born, grow up, live and die. While it's ignorant to believe that every single North Korean believes this propaganda whole-heartedly, generations of people live having known nothing but images and attitudes like these.
So what do you do? Do you integrate them immediately into South Korea? If so you've just increased the population of Korea by a third, and these new citizens have never had any experience with the capitalist mode of production, the South Korean system of government or even the legal system of South Korea. Along with a slew of cultural shock, integration problems and other issues this doesn't sounds like a great outcome. Alternatively do you set up some kind of reconstruction administration like America did to Japan after WW2? You now have the people under the control of a foreign government not responsible to them, which kind of defeats the purpose of invading to establish a democracy.
Not to mention the costs, both direct and indirect. Wars are expensive this study estimates that a campaign against NK will cost $500 Billion, and that subsequent effort to economically integrate NK into SK and bring it up to 80% of SK levels will cost somewhere between $1 Trillion and $5 Trillion. That is between eight times and twenty times the entire SK annual budget, and between roughly one and five times the entire US budget. Furthermore food supplies would be threatened. North Korea isn't exactly well known for its well fed population, and the destruction of the North Korean government (and the system food requisition and distribution) will lead to the complete breakdown of food supplies in NK. That study I quoted before states
almost any collapse would lead to a severe food shortage as part of a humanitarian disaster;
And that doesn't touch on the idea of North Korean remnants. North Korea is aggressive, oppressive and tyrannical but it isn't stupid. NK Generals know that they will lose a conventional war against the US and are prepared for a protracted guerrilla war, hence why America is preparing for that outcome too. That will threaten any attempt by a UN coalition to rebuild a new Korea, and could threaten to render an occupied NK similar to Afghanistan or Iraq but with an even more fanatical resistance.
But also the fundamental problem with intervention: North Koreans will be reluctant to accept or support any government that has been imposed by a foreign power. By invading the Kim regime will be vindicated - all that propaganda that "the Americans are coming" will be proven correct.
And this isn't even touching on international consequences, like the potential for Chinese or Russian intervention or potentially North Korean weapons flowing to terrorist or criminal groups.
But please note: I am not trying to defend or excuse the actions of North Korea. The are a tyrannical, totalitarian despotism that the world would be better off without and on the day that the Kim regime falls every person on earth should celebrate. But it must come from within - the North Korean people are the only ones who can liberate North Korea without a complete collapse like Iraq 2.0. The world should absolutely support the North Korean people in doing so, and we should do everything possible to help the North Korean people fight the Kim regime, but an intervention will only serve to destabilise Korea, vindicate the tyranny of Kim's regime, lead to starvation and suffering and worst of all may not even stop the atrocities in NK.
ar-_0 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:28:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People always say that foreign intervention will be good, but it always ends in genocide, which we've already gotten close to in North Korea
DPRK under UN rule:
Want a mix-raced child? Go for it.
Make a typo in the newspaper regarding ruler? Go ahead, you can also criticize your government without fear of death.
Want to travel to another city/state/region? Go to another country even.
Want to practice religion? Go for it.
Don't want to have your education interrupted? As long as were not in war, it really won't be.
Want access to health care (only access not the health care itself)? You will have access and it will be cheap.
Want food? Buy as much as you can eat.
Although you might not like imperialism, imperialism would significantly increase the quality of life in the DPRK. If you disagree with me, then please read A/HRC/25/63. This is a report of the [UN's]Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. This will change your mind.
That all sounds great! It is, however, just a hypothetical scenario. And generally every intervention is preceded by a description of how much better the situation will look after the intervention has succeeded and everything went according to plan. It won't necessarily work out that way. Maybe I'm just jaded by the last Gulf War but I don't share your confidence.
It would be better if the DPRK were like Iraq rather than how it is today. Things literally couldn't be worse. The living conditions if the DPRK are worse than in any other country. Not only is practically everything against the law, but also every citizen is essentially a spy. Men will report their wives and children to the government if they break the law. Neighbors will report neighbors. Sisters report brothers and vice-versa. In most other countries, people have the right to food and to work. Not in the DPRK. What other country prevents you from leaving your city/region when you're not at war? And even when you are at war? What countries indoctrinate their children that their leader is God(besides ancient Egypt)?
It would be better if there was a war being fought in the DPRK because then people would be able to leave
I know that the US/UN didn't help reestablish middle eastern countries after occupying them, but the DPRK is worse off now than any of those countries are/have been.
Unless the US decides to nuke the whole country, I don't really see how things could get worse.
It seems that the North Koreans that are dissatisfied tend to run away from the country rather than stay inside to do anything about it.
North Korea seems worse off than Syria. The dissidence against the Syrian government manage to cause a civil war. I can't imagine that happening in North Korea, I believe Kim Jong Un would quietly slaughter the entire population before he would allow resistance to grow.
as it looks out for the interests of the imperialist country before those of the people they fight for.
Considering Un's quest for nuclear missiles, I think external countries are validated in their reasons to take action against NK. Not taking any action against the NK government only because of its citizens is going to get a lot of people killed.
ar-_0 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:25:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please look into how often defectors return to NK and how much they get paid to make up stories when they get out of the country.
That's not my point, my point is there's probably no inside resistance that has a chance to bring down Un by themselves. Without foreign interference, nothing will change, which screws over everyone but Un.
This is probably a fair assessment. If the NK people had the capacity to change governments perhaps they would have during the famine of the 90's. The repression and information control in that country is, and has been, quite amazing.
The idea that people in the west should realistically fear North Korean "aggression" makes no sense at all. No matter how hard the media tries to depict Kim Jong Un as an unpredictable madman, North Korea isn't a real threat to anyone in the United States. War with the west would be the worst possible outcome for the Kim government. The DPRK will never have the military strength to be able to withstand a NATO invasion, but by advancing their nuclear weapons program and developing long range ICBM's North Korea has created an effective deterrent that will prevent the US from launching an initial attack and ensuring the survival of the current regime. I'm not going to debate the validity of the claims against the DPRK but either way, any future war with North Korea should not be justified with the claim that war is necessary to defend the American people.
If you actually study history you would realize that we always leave them worse than better off. Unless you believe that whole "we civilized them" garbage the western powers tell the masses.
Also like what 70% of South Korea don't want to unify with the North anymore. Look it sucks and I hate Kim too but the reality of the matter is that if we intervene then it won't just be all nice and dandy. It won't take 2 weeks and we are done like some of reddit believes. Shit would take years, and there are a fuck ton of landmines and claymores in that country. Last thing our country needs is too have a draft and send a bunch of young men to their death in bunches. Besides have you seen what happened to the Middle East after we intervened? Do you not now that America is the reason why that area of the world is a fucking disaster?
As bad as it is, the former US foreign policy for the Middle East was to destabilize the governments there so they could have Democratic revolutions. They succeeded in destabalizing, but not in setting up lasting governments (that's why Isis is there). In Korea, they are seeking to unite Korea under South Korean rule, which is already stable.
I would disagree, the Middle East was taken over by the Taliban to run the government, they brought in rules that prevented women going to school, and brought back old punishments (hand being chopped off for stealing) they also destroyed huge religious landmarks because Allah was the only god
There are bodies washing up on the Tumen river and little kids are starving to death while their dear leader drink cognac and parties with basketball stars. Why shouldn't we help them? Isn't that what bodies like the UN are FOR? The humanitarian crisis is colossal.
China, mostly. Pissing off China is not the best idea. Also the part where, depending on the way they try it, a massive chunk of the civilian population would die.
Pelcat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, most wars the US waged since WW2 were pointless but this could make a difference and would be resonably justified.
And has DIRECTLY THREATENED multiple countries with them.
How is this ANYTHING like Iraq?
ar-_0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are constantly invading and threatening other countries, and in fact we are responsible for about 40 million deaths since WWII, do we deserve military intervention? A new government propped up by whatever superpower would invade? No, the change must come from within America.
How much % of what you just said do you think is actually the case and not fed to you through media propaganda? We all know that the US is going to invade North Korea soon, it's been in the air for too long and every day we hear another terrible Kim Jong Un fact. How do you think they get the US population on their side for their wars? Jesus H. Christ.
Unless that's what they want you to think. Do you think the 1% of the 1% of the 1% just left things to chance and now we randomly ended up with Donald Trump?
You think the 1% was against him too? Americans win their elections based on how much money is donated to them, it's pretty clear trump has a fair few wealthy investors, to think otherwise makes no sense given he wanted to remove restrictions on big business and doesn't believe in global warming which is a major turn on for oil companies.
You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
He was completely self-funded during the primaries.
The only "positive" press he got from FOX News was from Hannity and arguably The Five. Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly, and Shepard Smith would consistently attack Trump.
p1qrst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with everything you said, but I'm 100% sure they wanted Hillary everything Russia NK Syria would be more of a mess with Her. The deep state can control everyone and anyone who comes into the White House.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except we know for a fact that NK has nukes and that they've said that they want to topple the US.
That's exactly what they want you to believe, but they can't source any specific examples where we tried this after the Korean War because the cost would be to great and would fall apart without massive international backing, planning, and agreement which we have none of at the moment.
ar-_0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding me? All the sanctions and constant aggression doesn't count? We literally don't allow them to buy food and then complain that their people are starving.
Sanctions are trade punishments, not tools used to destroy a regime or government, and any strife, revolutionary fever, rebellion, or major internal chaos that result from sanctions are side effects not the intended results. We've applied them to Cuba, The Soviet Union, Iran, and the subject North Korea and they were or are doing just fine without us. On top of that, we have given them aid in the past, yet their people still starved, so it's more complicated than us not trading with an autocratic that would love to see our full annihilation or at least our lack of presence on the Korean Peninsula. And not even mentioning their very dark human rights record, lack of democratic or republican values or traits (not the parties, the systems of government), the fact that you can't leave legally, and if do manage to, multiple generations of their family are put in labor camps, the fact they have labor camps, the fact you can only vote for one party and one person, no freedom of expression laws, the fact the entire country worships one person, and a lot more. All that aggression you're talking about is only retaliation for the everyday threats we receive from the Kim regime about the impending war that will see the full invasion of the U.S mainland, the destruction of the U.S military, the eradication of the U.S government, and the liberation of the general populace. These are their main forms of communication towards us. I hope you realise how insane that sounds doing that daily for 50 years towards the most powerful country in our species history and do you really want to know how bad we would look on the international stage if we tried to ignore or just didn't respond we statements letting them know we take their words seriously enough? Do you want them to feel that because their words are legit they can act without consequence?
ar-_0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do get why they hate us? We killed 20% of their population fifty years ago, and we clearly will not hesitate to do so again. They are fully justified in hating America.
No, I already know that, but you did not address any of the points I brought up explaining why we act the way we do towards them, you're trying to justify 50 unbroken years of aggression towards us. Yes, I do think they deserve an official apology for that event, but take into account that 1. There was no official intent to commit genocide, we were trying to get Kim Il Sung to surrender 2. they invaded South Korea under the banner of uniting the peninsula without the Republic Of Korea's consent and with a huge army 3. If they were able to put all their unprovoked into action, it would make what we did in Korean War look like we had a bad day 4. It was during a war NK declared on a people that had not only done nothing to them, but was one we deliberately could do nothing to them even if they wanted to. Also, trying to frame it as a genocide would be like calling the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocides even though they were meant to force the surrender of the Japanese Imperial government, and the firebombings killed more and got the Japanese Imperial government more scared then with the nukes. Not only all that, I'm don't believe the apology would stop their threats. I think it would make us look weak in their eyes and only encourage them.
ar-_0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really wasn't an invasion. They saw Korea as one Korea while they were having a revolution, so they brought it to the south. It's like saying George Washington invaded the colonies by crossing the Delaware. Apologies aren't shit unless we actively dismantle our imperialism worldwide. We are the aggressors, in short.
It wasn't an invasion because they FELT and SAW Korea as one and we need to remove our military presence from the rest of the planet because they FEEL threatened? Not only is basing our actions worldwide on the emotional whims and perspectives on a country we are enemies with beyond insane and ignore geopolitical reality because we don't want to make them upset, you have yet to addresses any of the arguments I have brought up, and until you do, I am going to assume you don't know how to argue back.
ar-_0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ar-_0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, all your arguments are based on "geopolitical realities" and maintaining America's might, without realizing that those principles are fundamentally bad
They are not based on geopolitical realities, they are based on the circumstances that brought the People's Republic Of Korea and The United States Of America. What your optimal role in this would be to prove that US is mostly responsible for things getting this bad. But from I've been reading, and correct me if I'm wrong, the main and only pillar of your argument is "but If you look at it from their perspective, it makes sense," which is not only a very weak argument, it would only make sense if their perspective lined up with what actually happened, which I am trying to show doesn't and which you seem to be refusing to do directly and instead have resorted to deflecting and bring up strange comparisons like an actual revolution and a military invasion.
No. If the US had wanted to topple the DPRK they could have easily done so at any time before they had verified nukes.
And they could still do it now, but the US isn't willing to see Seoul shelled. Because despite the rhetoric, the US isn't a totally lawless imperialist.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
p1qrst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many missiles does the US have ?!?
Who is the only country to use them ?!?
I'm more afraid of the US then NK.
Nuclear weapons only work as a deterrent if your opposition believe you will use them. Mutually assured destruction. Kim knows he will be destroyed if he uses it. It's a defensive so the US can't invade pre-emptively.
I guess the missile landing off of the shore of Japan is nothing. Along with the shelling of a South Korean marine base... And the torpedoing of a South Korean navy ship... I guess it's all just propaganda right?
p1qrst ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Learn to use a search engine you fucking dictator apologist
p1qrst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't use a search engine but can navigate Reddit. Search engines can come up with all sorts of shit. Is there any article or reports to back up the claims being made.
NK is a shit hole so is Kim, but the way they are handling it is once again another US fuck up, and the hysteria hypocrisy is unbelievable.
I don't know you are what you believe but the US is selling billions to Saudi, a country who planned 9/11 openly give out the death sentence to anti government protestors, funding terrorist, killing civilians in Yemen. This isn't being faced with UN sanctions and military action.
I have zero interest in discussion with someone who supports and defends Kim Jong Un.
You support a murderous dictator, so you have nothing of value to offer me.
p1qrst ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What have I said that makes you believe I support murder?
Also if your not willing to discuss then why are you here and why did you rely in the first place.
Who's defending anyone here? That guy just wants a source. How can we know any of that is true without a reliable source?
p1qrst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The invasion of his country is a real threat. Where his people will be wiped out by your drones a jets. Plus the US has a history of invading.
How would you as NK combat this?
Im not commenting on the Iraq stuff, but America has perfected nuclear weapons. America has directly threatened other countries with them AND has actually used them.
Everybody where it is clear openly that there is hatred, such as Syria, North Korea, as well as anybody who might do something that would get on the wrong side of the U.S. President, since a) the U.S. has already used them, and b) they have elected somebody who does, for better or for worse (usually for worse), acts on instinct, and not intelligence (intelligence referring to information, not in terms of smartness).
The liberation of North Korea would involve a horrific (but probably short) war wherein hundreds of thousands would die, followed by a terrible refugee crisis as all the northern Koreans flee into either ROK or China. It would not be "cool." It would be tragic on all accounts.
or his few remaining generals that haven't been executed yet will revolt (I believe they must be scared to death, Kim is crazy and he'll eventually kill them).
Or he'll piss someone - China, South Korea, US, Japan... I believe if North Korean rocket (even just dummy test rocket) ever ends up on soil of one of these states, military response will be immediate.
Didn't N.Korea fire a ballistic missile that landed on Japanese waters to provoke them this May? Didn't they sink ROKS Cheonan, a S.Korean warship in 2010? Why hasn't there been a military response then?
Realistically, what are the chances that the Korean War resumes to all-out war again in the next 30 years? It's been 54 years, could it go at least another 30?
This is one that I really want to see and have been wanting to see since I learned about it in school. Especially with recent news. It just terrifies me HOW that will happen because innocent people probably will die.
[deleted] ยท 3960 points ยท Posted at 11:27:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah baby, lemme ride your thorax and jump your exoskeleton
jhg100 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:24:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one legitimately hurts me. I want a world like Fifth Element or Valerian so, so bad. It actually makes me depressed. I'd jump on a ship like Trillian and leave everything behind in a heartbeat.
Oh well. I've got to mow the lawn tomorrow. That'll be nice.
What motivation did the Europeans have to kill off the Natives?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:54:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resources, trading opportunities, more arable land to support the nation, generally things that earth would probably not provide in any significant quantity to an interstellar capable civilisation.
Who's to say we don't have a resource they cannot get their hands on us. What if it's us.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not gonna doubt you because for all we know you could be right, but based on our experience of both how we behave and how other intelligent animals behave there probably wouldn't be much value in earth from and interstellar perspective. But for all we know the aliens could be completely different from us so its anyone's guess.
what motivation would a more civilized and advanced nation such as ourselves have to do so, were we to first contact one such less advanced nation? what of an other civilization, even more progressed than our own? also, the Europeans didn't wipe out the natives completely, and even then, most of the damage was accidental (at least at first) or to get the immense wealth that the natives were sitting on. But the thing is, those two facts simply don't apply to a technologically advanced civilization that has the ability for interstellar colonization trips, let alone flying half way across a galaxy, or further, just to see what's over here. Thy would have no need for our resources, being able to mine asteroids, or barren planets, or even stars and nebulae (depending on exactly how advanced they are), and there is nothing unique to earth that they couldn't easily replicate from just a small sample, or even written formula; they wouldn't need slaves, as machinery renders slavery obsolete, and the certainly wouldn't be so ignorant as to accidentally release an alien plague on earth. They would be beyond such primitive tendencies and desires.
I'll settle with any sort of alien life form. Then, I'll grab a big bag of popcorn, a Big Gulp, and watch the religious (especially Christians) leaders try to talk their way out of that one!
Abell370 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. People always bring up the 'but what if they just want earth for resources' thing when it comes to aliens. But think about it honestly. I an alien race was advanced enough to travel around easily, they wouldn't need to mine earth for resources. Space is filled with them. Comets, other, uninhabited planets and the likes. Why would they bother wiping out a species (and potentially harming themselves in the process) for something they can get just as easily a few parsec further down the road.
sap91 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:54:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they need something specifically human. Like they're mining DMT from everyone's brains
Or maybe human DNA is special as a glue to hold together parts of DNA from other species in order to manipulate Psionics in order to cure a disease that the elders are suffering fro... Sorry too much XCOM.
sap91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOW ๐ DO ๐ YOU ๐ MISS ๐ 3 ๐ NINETY ๐ NINE ๐ PERCENT ๐ SHOTS ๐ IN ๐ A ๐ ROW ๐๐๐?!?
Cedira ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't want competition we wouldn't be here. You don't wait until a species figures out radio and spaceflight, you just torch their planet when they're still trying to figure out how to crawl onto land.
A civilization strong enough to be seriously concerned about competitors could just build a dyson swarm around a big star, use it to power a Nicoll dyson beam and torch every planet in the milky way every 100 million years or so.
This is also why I sincerely doubt there is any intelligent alien life within a few hundred million lightyears. We'd see half eaten stars and/or galaxies if there were.
You're thinking that they would be the problem. Look at us: we are afraid of what we don't understand, and therefore we retaliate with prejudice, building walls to keep people out, dropping bombs on motherfuckers, etc. Unless aliens share our values, ideals, and beliefs, we would be hostile toward them. We can't even coexist with the people who are different than us here on earth.
Resources are not the be all and end all as you said but that isn't the only reason an alien species could wish to harm us. Now whether or not an alien species is benevolent or not is anyone's guess - we can't project human behaviour on a completely different species. If they are malevolent however the fact that they will most likely be an orders of magnitude more advanced than we are almost guarantees the end of the human race. If they are benevolent then we may see great advancement but on balance it doesn't seem worth taking the chance. Especially for a benefit we could reach naturally given enough time:
You mean like how we destroy ecosystems and species here on Earth just to gather resources we could get from somewhere else more expensively? That's exactly how they would see us. You missed that little aspect.
Earth is a pretty deep gravity well. It takes next to no energy to mine stuff from an asteroid, yet it takes 11km/s of dV to mine from earth.
Earth is not cheap to mine from if you intend to send those resources spacebound. Hell, it's so expensive that even we are looking into asteroid mining to prevent shipping up so much crap.
Many of those either can be automated with slightly more advanced tech (Which an interstellar species would have), or they rely on human social behavior, which is unlikely to transfer to an independently developed species.
Not like we kidnap dolphins so they can teach our kids medicine after all (to take an example from that list and apply it to humans).
We can't even get people to accept other's from a different country. Fuck meeting Aliens, we're nowhere near capable of handling that situation properly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we meet aliens the differences between our human "races" would mean nothing and we would stand united in prejudice against the aliens.
I wish that were even remotely likely. But it wouldn't happen, we can't be civil with people who are just like ourselves because their skin is darker, they have different noses, they call their God by a different name.
What the fuck are we going to do with another species entirely? I seriously doubt we'd get any semblance of unity/peace in that event. I know I personally don't want to see it happen, it'll just be more bloodshed/exploitation.
PL_TOC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unity, turds. That is the keyword in unit.
shawndw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. If we found something akin to algae as the most complex life it would still be fucking amazing.
Milo359 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:50:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, the reason why we haven't found any intelligent life yet, is because true intelligence is like what dolphins have, ie. "Mucking around in the water and having fun", and so they haven't bothered exploring beyond their planet.
If they can travel between stars with ease they wouls have no use for us. When you see a ant-hill do you enslave them to do your bidding? Of course not, they are so inferior to you that they arent even worth thinking about.
356afan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have the Kardashians, what else do you want? :)
The only information we could recieve and send to an alien race is their and our existence if we're lucky and we're able to find out if a signal is artificial. There's nothing we would understand of their communication and vica versa, because everything has a language. And don't say mathematics, even that is written and used in a special kind of language (and I don't mean the symbols or the numbers but the train of thought), it isn't more universal than a spoken language.
Furthermore. This is the thought of the great sci-fi writer Stanislaw Lem: you can translate the following message to any language on Earth, regardless of race, technological state, age etc: "Grandma died, funeral tomorrow"
Because every person has a grandmother. Reproduction is sexual, every child has one male and one female parent, and they also have a male and a female parent.
Because death is a thing, we aren't immortal.
Because every culture has some kind of a ceremony to get rid of a dead body.
The measure of time is universal, our basic time unit is the alternation of daylight and nighttime. Tomorrow is the time after the next dark period.
An alien civilization could lack one or all of these factors which could make this message ununderstandable. And you should think this as a very simple example - communication between alien races is impossible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why a race though? Why not just aliens. Is nothing ever enough for your Sarah?
I think the infamous big black eyes aliens seen in media don't exist, but rather normal people like us.
I like to think that there's multiple planets distant from here, similar to Earth, with normal humans living there. Humans which probably don't call themselves "humans" like we do.
If we exist, another Earth with humans in the universe can exist too.
You know a bone headed general will press the president of whatever country to think they are a threat. We will shoot at them and they will fuck us from space.
This may be the only reason we haven't made the full transition to clean renewable energys. There is still profit to be made from fossil fuels
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 16:52:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not correct at all. It's a pessimistic conspiracy theory at worst, and a weak economics-based argument at best.
There are 300 million people in the United States using 11 kilowatts per person on average. Using solar as an example, and assuming it takes zero energy to build (and ignoring the millions of tons of required metals such as copper, and some other things), we would need to construct a continuous roughly 200 mile x 200 mile solar field of 20% efficient solar cells (20% averaged over their lifetime and including distribution inefficiency). This would mean you'd need to construct roughly eighty billion square meter solar panels, or, in other words, you would need to build, ship, install, and distribute energy from about 130 square meter solar cells (35 ft x 35 ft) every second of every day for the next twenty years before you met capacity once, and then you'd more or less have to sustain this same rate to make up for the cells you begin to lose due to degradation. We can make the same damning arguments for nuclear, wind, geothermal, hydraulic, or whatever other renewable or quasi-renewable source you choose.
If you double the efficiency and suddenly figure out a way to approach some 85% conversion efficiency with a multi-junction thermionic whatever, you still need to make something like 30 square meters per second of every second for the next 20 years, and the best we've ever done in a lab is something like 45%.
Some sources are a little better than others, but this is the scale of the problem. This isn't possible. It's not hard, it's impossible. Even if you think we can physically do what I said, it should still convince you that "human greed" is far from the only reason we haven't switched to renewable energy sources. It isn't some economies of scale problem, it's a technological and physical limitation.
It's interesting because making a legal energy cap to five kilowatts per person on average would allow us to "do" what I wrote above in ten years instead of twenty, an enormous improvement that only requires a conversation, a pen, and some sacrifice, but good luck getting that passed.
I like to show people this. It's a good starting point to understand this problem.
Thank you for your response. I am by no means an expert on this subject. So it would seem renewables aren't really that viable yet. Eventually fossil fuels will run out. Do you think by that time we will have found solutions to all the limitations that you have stated? Or will we have to change our whole way of living since oil is basically used in everything
We have about a hundred years or more of crude oil to utilize, and that is not even taking into account other "fossil fuels" such as natural gas/LPG and coal.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome! I'm as concerned about it as anyone, if not more concerned.
Renewables are viable for small fractions of our energy needs. They're also amazing, beautiful things, for a lot of reasons. They become more and more viable as we lower our energy consumption. Things stay really nice all the way down to around 5 kilowatts per person. By 1 kW per person, things are pretty grim, i.e. high infant mortality rates, bad water supplies, etc. So there is a non-linear trend from 11 kW to 5 kW and most of us wouldn't "suffer" in any tangible way from this. Reducing the number of people is the other way to reduce energy consumption, but this can't be done in any real and ethical way over the twenty year term.
Anyway, I can't answer your question. Perhaps the best I can do is a bet. If today you offered me one million dollars conditional on your right to come euthanize me if at any point in the next fifty years if the world is supplying 30% of its total energy with renewables, I would take the bet.
I've been told we have hundreds of years worth of natural gas in American shale fields. I also don't know how much oil there is buried under the water. Maybe thousands of years worth? Anyway, no, I don't think we're going to eliminate our massive demand for oil in the next eighty years or so, and there will be synthetic substitutes and decreased demand. Oil is not my area, though, so I don't know. Obviously, crazy things like meteors and nuclear holocaust would change this, so I would condition my bet.
There's a fuck ton of oil in Alaska, enough to meet these demands.
An assessment by the United States Geological Survey (USGS) in 2010 estimated that the amount of oil yet to be discovered in the NPRA is only one-tenth of what was believed to be there in the previous assessment, completed in 2002. The 2010 USGS estimate says the NPRA contains approximately "896 million barrels of conventional, undiscovered oil".
Services under the U.S. Department of the Interior estimate the total volume of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in the United States to be roughly 134 billion barrels (2.13ร1010 m3).
Alaska's oil and gas industry has produced more than 17 billion barrels of oil and 13 billion cubic feet of natural gas. The Trans-Alaska Pipeline System (TAPS) is operating at only one-third of its capacity, and there has been a 39 percent decline in the past 10 years.
Alaska'soilalsohasgoodwagesforAlaskanworkers:
Property
Diagnostic
Primary Company employment in Alaska
5,033
Primary Company employment of Alaska residents
4,275
Primary Company wages paid to Alaska residents
$749 million
Primary Company spending with Alaska vendors
$4.6 billion
Number of Alaska vendors providing goods and services to Primary Companies
~1,000
Total jobs related to Primary Company spending*
$45,575
Total wages related to Primary Company spending*
$3.1 billion
Total taxes and royalties paid by the oil & gas industry (SFY2016)
$1.6 billion
Oil and gas industry taxes and royalties as a % of total state revenue (SFY2016)
28%
Oil and gas industry taxes and royalties as a % of total Unrestricted General Funds (SFY2016)
72%
Jobs related to oil and gas industry taxes and royalties
58,300
Wages related to oil and gas industry taxes and royalties
$2.9 billion
Total jobs related to Alaskaโs oil and gas industry*
103,875
Percent of total Alaska wage and salary jobs
32%
Total wage related to Alaskaโs oil and gas industry*
Let me remind you, there is more oil in Alaska than there is in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Russia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you perhaps narrow your comments down a bit and respond to specific statements that I made with simple sentences? I'm not going to look at tables to try and infer how you're interacting with me, assuming you're a person and not an oil-bot.
Fossil fuels will never run out due to economic reasons as well. Eventually alternatives will be cheaper than continuing to drill or mine for them. As the supply of oil decreases the price increases and at the same time the opposite is happening with alternative energy. The point where their paths cross on that graph is when we stop using fossil fuels. It's going to happen at some point, as long as the government can stop propping up dying industries and let the market work.
Eventually alternatives will be cheaper than continuing to drill or mine for them.
These oil reserves are not going to die any time soon.
There is so much there, it would take millions of years, even at an increasing drilling rate, to run out of this oil.
JonAce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, basically, full transition will not be possible anytime soon without a technological breakthrough the likes of which humanity has yet to even think of?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is in my opinion correct. I haven't calculated anything but, if I would wildly guess that we might be able to meet 10% or 20% of America's total energy demand, as it is now, with a massive push towards renewables. This is to say that we might be able to install 13 square meters of solar panel every second for the next twenty years if we went without a lot of other stuff. I don't know.
Don't you think getting stable fusion reactors would solve that problem?
Solar energy is lame, too much loss. Until we can build a Dyson Sphere, which won't happen for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, I don't think solar panels are worth the effort.
Having our own fusion cores, on the other hand, would be quite nice. You also have to consider that in at most 50 years we won't have to worry about man power anymore, so building mega structures lika a giant reactor will be less of a problem, and mining the materials for it will be way cheaper.
I'd love having our own mini sun.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't think that. Fusion has an unlimited fuel supply, so this is neat. However, even if you build a single plant to distribute all of the energy, i.e. you could somehow construct a 15 or so terrawatt fusion plant, then you still have to distribute that energy everywhere that we currently use it. If you can tell me how to get this energy from it's three square mile or whatever lot in the middle of Oklahoma, all the way to Joey Fuckin' DiNolfo and his beer cooler and lawn mower and forklift in Portland, Maine, and then this same idea seven billion more times, then maybe.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure you'd have to construct hundreds or thousands of these plants, and then you come to the same problem as nuclear. These aren't buildings, they are massive machines that take decades to plan and build each. See my other link for nuclear numbers, it's like two or three a week every week for fifty years to supply 3 CMO.
I'm not going to dispute your point that just switching to solar and ignoring others isn't a reasonable option. I think your spot on there, but I'm not sure about the math. We checked into solar and for a family of 3 we could replace most of our need with 40 panels for a leaky farm house in the Midwest.
If you assume everyone needs that much power it would be 12B panels, not 80B. Obviously, not every individual lives alone, but there are also businesses that would need power.
I would love to move towards an architecture where solar, hydro, and wind handle an increasing portion of our constant load and fossil/nuclear handle peaks. As you said, we're not getting there anytime soon, but it would be an awesome job creation machine for quite a while.
As for greed, you're right its not the only reason, but I think its a larger portion of the problem.
I actually kinda like the energy cap idea, I wonder how difficult it would be to work out how to manage the edge cases (hospitals, home medical, off hours, etc)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:00:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could replace most of your electricity on a home. This is something like 10% of your total energy. The majority of our energy use is via fossil fuels for production of goods, services, etc.
As far as the calculation, how do you arrive at 12 billion? Here is my calculation (as nice as I can write it in a hurry):
(11000 W/person)*(3e8 people)/[(1000 W/m2 at full sun)(20% totalefficiency)(5 full sun hours/24 hours)] = approximately 80 billion.
Anyway, let me know if there is a mistake, but my assumptions are super simplified and the problem is worse than 80 billion square meter silicon solar panels alone. We'd also have to talk also about things such as, for example, the roughly four tons of copper per installed megawatt, which, i.e.
(3e8 people)(11000 W/person)/(1e6 w/MW)*(4 tonnes Cu/MW) = 13.2 million tonnes of Cu= 36 empire state buildings of copper
without talking about power lines. Anyway, I can accept that greed is a larger part of the problem because people in the United States everywhere will not reduce their average energy consumption, i.e. it's everyone's greed, and I show that it's extraordinary to produce our energy (in, actually, any linear combination of renewables that you'd like, see my link) without reducing energy consumption, so sure, it's greed. When you tell people they shouldn't have children, or they shouldn't commute, or they shouldn't take hot showers, or whatever, by refusing they are being greedy, and, to a lesser extent, I am guilty of this as well.
I was taking 300M people times 40 panels each, admittedly even more simplistic.
It seems extreme that 90% of our energy is outside the home, but I'll concede that I've never researched that, I've been focused on my own usage. Thanks, that gives me another vector that I can do something.
As for the daunting amounts mentioned, remember all the electricity we have now hasn't really been here that long, if the economics start in our favor there will be a major shift in what can be accomplished. Or at least I hope there will be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I estimate that 40 panels at one square meter of Si (about 20 feet by 20 feet) each operating at 20% efficiency would provide an average power of 1.6 kW, or 10% of our use. I have to run but I think you're thinking about it well and can keep building on the ideas.
It isn't some economies of scale problem, it's a technological and physical limitation.
Isn't it though? Well, I mean that the limitations you are talking about are purely due to the size of the US. There are countries and municipalities that run on fully renewable sources or at least a large majority of their power comes from renewable sources. So it can be done on some scale.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I say "an economies of scale problem," I mean that the economic guideline that states that things become relatively cheaper as you make more of them does not make it possible to solve a problem of arbitrarily large scope. For example, I don't care how good you get at mining gold, everyone in the country is never going to get their own 1 foot cubed block of gold. I know I can give one thousand people one of these, but not everyone. Similarly, as I wrote in another comment, I can build a sand bridge across a creek in my back yard. I cannot build a sand bridge to the sun, no matter how cheap it is for me to shovel sand. So of course it is possible for the Principality of Sealand to supply all of it's current energy needs with renewables, but it won't make a difference. Further, typically when countries and municipalities claim they are "100% renewable energy," they are talking about their electricity production. They can't sustain themselves physically, e.g. keep open markets, repair roads and buildings, purify water, without using fossil fuels, i.e. these small exceptions might supply 30% of their total energy with renewables, but again, this isn't something that can scale to the world with what we know.
it really doesn't. you can argue about the technical challenges, but we either address them or it gets too hot to properly survive
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:32:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying that it doesn't matter if I calculate that all human beings stacking sand would take six hundred and fifty trillion years to make a bridge between here and the sun. "You can argue about the technical challenges, but we either do it or we die." I am able to conclude that it isn't going to happen because my analysis matters. It doesn't matter that my analysis doesn't matter in the sense that we're still going to die, but it matters in the sense that I can decide if something is feasible and worth starting. If you tell me we need to devote our entire economic output to manufacturing solar cells, I'm going to tell you that this will still fail, so we might as well keep looking for other options. This is of course assuming that we want 100% renewables, though 5% would certainly be very admirable and seems like a reasonable goal over the next fifty years or so.
it still doesn't matter. either we solve this problem or we die. you saying that a specific solution is impractical because you think it's too much energy (even though you admit that we personally use about 10% of your figure) has no bearing on this. we get off oil or die.
you can reduce your energy usage through better decisions and lifestyle changes, and through more efficient processes. you can choose different renewables. what you can't do is proceed on the current path and live.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, assuming no significant advancements in technology. OTOH, the conclusions drawn from that sort of analysis could change if a way is devised to make a solar paint-like coating, or a flexible adhesive-backed film. The US uses 1.5 billion gallons of paint per year. Just sayin'.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is correct. It is never correct to claim something is impossible. I hope every day that we figure out a way to make roll-to-roll III-V multi-junction solar cells at meters per second rates. I also believe we could paint a 200 mile by 200 mile square in the middle of Utah. Running cables to it, cleaning it, maintaining it, etc., maybe not, but I agree we could paint it.
That being said, paint is a single layer. Solar cells are many layers. We've also looked at and studied these devices for roughly sixty years, and we've been making flexible solar cells for something like twenty years. I'm always willing to admit that things can change, and I hope they do, but we're never going to build a sand bridge to the sun, for example. Some things are impossible, and I'd rather act like they are until we prove otherwise, rather than acting like they aren't and keeping my fingers crossed. But, whatever, I don't want to turn my computer off, so fuck it.
If only there was some sort of extremely sunny land so cheap it was almost worthless and covered in semiconductor ore like silicon dioxide. /s Maybe then it would be possible. :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only it were covered in solar grade silicon precision doped and packaged into cells in boxes on a site with billions of posts and holes and millions of miles of power lines running to the same spot and millions of trucks and on and on and on and on.
Edit: :)
memnoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Minus the cost accounting for all clean energy that already exists, and all built but not placed components.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the clean energy that exists is trivial in scope, but most of the renewable now is hydroelectric and nuclear, and those are effectively fixed on a twenty year scale. In other words, the <1 % of world energy being supplied by renewables that aren't hydroelectric and nuclear would not affect my numbers much. Anyway, I ignore a lot of things, and we'd have to talk about each of them, but the scope of just one of these things---the production of devices---I just don't think we could beah.
I've never seen a Cubic Mile of Oil ever used as a unit of measurement before. Fascinating!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a neat way to think about it. I think the nice idea there is discussing all energy in a single unit (or few units), and how doing so makes it easier to convert and calculate true energy consumption and production. It also sucks, but such is life.
We can make the same damning arguments for nuclear, wind, geothermal, hydraulic, or whatever other renewable or quasi-renewable source you choose.
Yes, but these existing facilities cost twice as much to manage.
it should still convince you that "human greed" is far from the only reason we haven't switched to renewable energy sources.
While this may be true to some degree, human greed has created problems surrounding Coal and other traditional energy facilities that can bypass inspections.... etc.
To start renewable energy resources in the United States would take extensive reform and a lot of confidence. It's possible, but it'll take a long time and granted, human greed has gotten in the way.
Since these traditional energy resources have existed for such a long amount of time, it'll be more difficult to gradually replace them with renewable facilities.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that making fossil fuels cleaner should be a goal and that greed may hamper this, but I don't assume criminal malice. Anyway, I made an argument that you cannot replace them. Solar cells fail on the scale of twenty to thirty years. If we're super nice and say they last for thirty years, then my number changes to roughly 80 square meters per second of every second of every day for the next thirty years. You need to build these eighty billion solar cells within thirty years or you never reach capacity, and so "gradually" has to mean "over thirty years," because after thirty years each one you build is replacing one that is failed.
Since 2010, the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) has published the Annual Energy Outlook (AEO), with yearly LCOE-projections for future utility-scale facilities to be commissioned in about five years' time. In 2015, EIA has been criticized by the Advanced Energy Economy (AEE) Institute after its release of the AEO 2015-report to "consistently underestimate the growth rate of renewable energy, leading to 'misperceptions' about the performance of these resources in the marketplace". AEE points out that the average power purchase agreement (PPA) for wind power was already at $24/MWh in 2013. Likewise, PPA for utility-scale solar PV are seen at current levels of $50โ$75/MWh. These figures contrast strongly with EIA's estimated LCOE of $125/MWh (or $114/MWh including subsidies) for solar PV in 2020.
Still, I'd like to report the government's information, despite it's critiques:
Projected LCOE in the U.S. by 2022 (as of 2016) $/MWh
Plant Type
Min
Capacity
Max
Coal with 30% carbon sequestration
128.9
NB
196.3
Coal with 90% carbon sequestration
102.7
NB
142.5
Natural Gas-fired Conventional Combined Cycle
52.4
58.6
83.2
Natural Gas-fired Advanced Combined Cycle
51.6
53.8
81.7
Natural Gas-fired Advanced CC with CCS
63.1
NB
90.4
Natural Gas-fired Conventional Combustion Turbine
98.8
100.7
148.3
Natural Gas-fired Advanced Combustion Turbine
85.9
87.1
129.8
Advanced Nuclear
95.9
96.2
104.3
Geothermal
42.8
44.0
53.4
Biomass
84.8
97.7
125.3
Wind Onshore
43.4
55.8
75.6
Wind Offshore
136.6
NB
212.9
Solar PV
58.3
73.7
143.0
Solar Thermal
176.7
NB
372.8
Hydro
57.4
63.9
69.8
So yeah, that's that.
Now, about solar cells:
Solar cells fail on the scale of twenty to thirty years. If we're super nice and say they last for thirty years, then my number changes to roughly 80 square meters per second of every second of every day for the next thirty years.
Many sources have attributed their information toward why these cells and panels may fade, and what can be done about them over time.
Reversible Reductions in Output Power
A PV module may be producing reduced output for reversible reasons. It may be subject to shading, for example, by a tree which has grown in front of it. The front surface may be soiled (PV modules will generally experience up to 10% loss of output due to front surface soiling). One module may have failed, or the interconnects between modules may have changed the operating point of the array. However, these reductions in power are all reversible, provided that the original cause is rectified.
Solar Cell Degradation
Increases in RS due to decreased adherence of contacts or corrosion (usually caused by water vapor);
Decreases in RSH due to metal migration through the p-n junction; or
Antireflection coating deterioration.
Short-Circuited Cells
Open-Circuited Cells. This is a common failure mode, although redundant contact points plus "interconnect-busbars" allow the cell to continue functioning. Cell cracking can be caused by:
Thermal stress;
Hail; or
Damage during processing and assembly, resulting in "latent cracks", which are not detectable on manufacturing inspection, but appear sometime later.
Furtherdetails:
Characteristic
Property
Interconnect Open-Circuits
Fatigue due to cyclic thermal stress and wind loading leads to interconnect open circuit failures.
Module Open-Circuits
Open circuit failures also occur in the module structure, typically in the bus wiring or junction box.
Module Short-Circuits
Although each module is tested before sale, module short circuits are often the result of manufacturing defects. They occur due to insulation degradation with weathering, resulting in delamination, cracking or electrochemical corrosion.
Module Glass Breakage
Shattering of the top glass surface can occur due to vandalism, thermal stress, handling, wind or hail.
Module Delamination
A common failure mode in early generations of modules, module delamination is now less of a problem. It is usually caused by reductions in bond strength, either environmentally induced by moisture or photothermal aging and stress which is induced by differential thermal and humidity expansion.
Hot-Spot Failures
Mismatched, cracked or shaded cells can lead to hot-spot failures, as discussed previously in Hot Spot Heating.
By-Pass Diode Failure
By-pass diodes, used to overcome cell mismatching problems, can themselves fail, usually due to overheating, often due to undersizing. The problem is minimised if junction temperatures are kept below 128ยฐC.
Encapsulant Failure
UV absorbers and other encapsulant stabilizers ensure a long life for module encapsulating materials. However, slow depletion, by leaching and diffusion does occur and, once concentrations fall below a critical level, rapid degradation of the encapsulant materials occurs. In particular, browning of the EVA layer, accompanied by a build-up of acetic acid, has caused gradual reductions in the output of some arrays, especially those in concentrating systems.
Also, solar cells won't exist under a unified system if they're implemented. Expect diverse systems being operated each on a state (maybe even a county) level, thus, different replacement methods would be implemented over different periods of time, it would be hard to generalise this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I advocate for less "success." Americans are on average less happy than places in the world that use one tenth of our average power. We're in a rat race and have distanced ourselves from the irreversibility of our energy supplies. I believe we should sacrifice our free reproductive rights for one or two hundred years and spend all of the billions of dollars in our economy that go towards non-necessities on scientific research. Every dollar that is spent on, say, movies, television shows, sports and sporting events, transportation, superfluous clothing and accessories, travel, style, and many other non-necessities should be given to me and me alone so that I may hold all of my colleagues hostage for research money.
Americans are on average less happy than places in the world that use one tenth of our average power.
How do you measure this? What is this based on? I am eager to see the survey. Polls are getting way too skewed nowadays.
we should sacrifice our free reproductive rights for one or two hundred years and spend all of the billions of dollars in our economy that go towards non-necessities on scientific research
Sacrifice Reproductive Rights? What do you mean by this?
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, you're a troll.
Sorry for bothering you xD, I should have read that through before finishing my comment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Troll? What? I'm making the simple claim that there are two ways to reduce our energy consumption and therefore bring energy production into the realm of 100% renewable energy.
People's power consumption is a known variable; quality of life is a function of energy and you can choose anything between 100 W/person (the chemical power output of our bodies) and roughly 12 or 13 kW, which is around the maximum average for any nation. So, you can choose a quality of life and therefore have one number for a person. Then, for world power consumption, you multiply this number by the number of people. Let's say we want 600 W per person on average for everyone in the world, i.e. the physical quality of life of the average Cambodian, then we multiply 600 W per person by seven billion people, i.e. 4.2 million million watts. With one square meter silicon solar cell, you get about 40 W on average with 5 full sun hours, neglecting a lot of stuff. So, we divide 4.2 million million by 40 W/square meter cell and get 105 billion solar cells. Please see the discussion above.
So, what are we to do? Well, we can't lower this per capita energy too much more, as we're already living with poor sanitation and disease and reduced life expectancy and such at 600 W per person. So, the other option is to reduce the number of people, i.e. the number you multiply the average power per person by. So, either a lot of people die at once, or you restrict reproductive rights and move down to, say, one billion or five hundred million over the course of however many tens or hundreds of years it takes.
What part of this is trolling, exactly? It's a simple energy analysis and it's not wrong. I'd support one child policies, so what? It's not going to happen. In fact, people aren't going to reduce either of these two numbers. If you live another fifty or one hundred years, you will see then that we're going to be having an even more impossible conversation when the population is then ten billion and people in the world have an even higher quality of life, and we're using even more fossil fuels.
Well, even if this doesn't happen, and even if we say that Americans at 11 kW/person are healthier and happier than the French at 5 kW/person, how am I wrong, exactly?
Every dollar that is spent on, say, movies, television shows, sports and sporting events, transportation, superfluous clothing and accessories, travel, style, and many other non-necessities should be given to me and me alone
Honestly sounds like a troll, my bad.
Reproduction rights will never be restricted, sorry bud.
We live in a healthy and happy world, but not everyone gets a solar panel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean won't be restricted in America? None of the Chinese people I know have any brothers or sisters.
I agree with you. We'll keep using oil and coal until we run out of them. I don't care if it's eighty or two hundred years, because I'm not having children. I think you'll agree that what happens to your great great grandchildren isn't really our problem and we don't care, i.e. we'll burn the gallon of gas now to go to a drive-thru instead of saving it to deliver water to them when they don't have any. Well, America will be fine, and who really cares about the rest of the world. Thank god for fracking; hundreds of years of energy for us.
Edit: and I never said that reproductive rights would be restricted, only that we don't have more than two options right now for the world's looming energy crisis.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I see. You didn't understand that the last part was a joke about the failings of both socialism and academic funding. That's what that part about "me and me alone" was about, me dictating how one might use finite resources if one cared about the future of humanity. I don't, but you get it.
We don't JUST have solar, we have wind/tide/geothermal in addition to biofuels.
We could ramp out a large portion of that with government run factories or public/private that would double as jobs programs/economic growth/increased tax base. It should be a break-even-at-worst long term project since we'd be selling a product to replace coal and power plants. Even if we operate at a loss, the increase in tax base would cover that loss.
And I think we'd limit the amount of coal/greenhouse energy business and homes could buy which would incentivize green energy. If Solar starts selling for 25% more than coal, power companies will ramp up production pretty fast. So instead of limiting all power to 5 KW we'd limit fossil fuel consumption to 5 kw and the spike in price for green energy would super-incentivize everyone to get solar/wind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can do similar analyses for wind/tide/geothermal. They all give you awful numbers. Anyway, I don't care about government policies, as these don't change the undeniable numbers, and we can't make the numbers that we need. If the entire world decided tomorrow to make only solar cells, I'd refer to my wild guess earlier that we might be able to get up to a couple tens of percent total energy supplied by renewables, not including hydroelectric and nuclear, because those are more or less fixed on twenty year timescales.
I'm with you overall, but you're wrong about government policy. We have the capacity to manufacture that much green energy, it's not impossible or close to it.
The best plan IMHO is to ramp up production, use the coal we have but stop building new coal plants, incentivize green energy creating financial incentives to speed up solar/wind, and plan on going to zero coal in about 20 years.
Electric cars with replaceable batteries/charging stations replacing gas stations is going to happen by then anyway. Once we get to a viable point California will phase out gas burning cars and the industry will just move on. Diesel trucks will do it before cars for the huge cost savings in fuel, especially when it's all automated drivers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need to not discuss electric cars, or anything that adjusts the power per person number, because I'm not talking about that, or at least saying nothing more about it than it's easier to lower that number than it is to supply renewable energy. I'm talking about producing renewable sources to meet entirely our current energy demands, and I do not agree in the least that we can manufacture an economy without fossil fuels. I'm not trying to insult you, but one billion, let alone nearly one hundred billion, is intractable with what we can do. If you can see all the way to a flat horizon in every direction on a boat in the middle of the ocean, this about 200 square miles or so, and we'd need roughly two hundred of these covered in solar cells in twenty years. I'm predicting this will not happen, even with the green party and a massive environmental movement.
At this point new solar costs less than new coal per KWh. Are you honestly suggesting that big for-profit corporations will build coal plants when solar is cheaper to make and will continue to get even cheaper over time? The market will replace every coal plant in 30 years whether we legislate it or not.
I gave a 20 year estimate to go green entirely, which is quite realistic. I also included non-solar options which makes it much easier to cover the country.
We will very likely use natural gas (not green) instead of coal or biofuels as off-peak power because it's cheaper, but that'll be after green energy replaces the majority of power produced in the country simply from the market dictating lowest cost solutions.
It's not a big step from there to green, it's not going to hurt much to run night power off of home batteries and supplemental green power in 20 years. We can go green + nuclear and natural gas, or we can pay a little more and go fully green. But that's it, the cost of green is going to continue to drop more than gas/coal/nuclear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not pushing talking points. I'm actually not stopping you from going out and building eighty billion solar panels either. Let me and me alone know when you figure out how to do it.
Greed is the source of their problems. Some local, some international greed. But where there is human suffering, greed almost always has had a hand in what is going on.
Ford was being pretty greedy when he made affordable automobiles to sell to everyone. Andrew Carnegie was being greedy when he found a way to make steel so cheaply that coast to rail roads became feasible. Steve Jobs was being greedy when he found a way to pretty much create the smart phone industry.
As soon as you go live in the woods and eat worms and dirt you can give a lecture on greed. Until then you're being greedy with your clean drinking water, climate controlled housing, and refrigerator, and presumably a job that pays you. But be careful digging your worms, you wouldn't want to dig too many and be greedy.
I think it's more human nature than just greed. Humans are extremely flawed, we're only animals trying to thrive in our environment. It's every man for himself in the jungle, and the jungle is pretty damn huge now. There's a lot of fucked up stuff that humans have done to each other but unfortunately that's just the way out world is.
rghiu ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 15:03:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has nothing to do with greed, it has to do with the economics of energy. As long as it is cheaper to pump oil out of the ground and use it to fuel cars, we'll do that. As soon as it becomes more economically viable to use renewable energy, we'll do that.
Human self-interest is a fact of nature and nothing is going to change that - in fact, it's quite a useful thing most of the time and is what drives society forward. However, we can change the nature of the economics of energy by developing better renewables etc.
rghiu ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could argue that it is. But then what? You're not going to cure humanity of greed. And besides, human self-interest is a huge motivator and an important part of what moves society forward.
What you can do is to set up a system of incentives that promotes the general welfare, such that individuals will act in such a way that benefits society.
By just thinking about the energy market in terms of "greed" you get to feel superior but you're never going to actually accomplish anything.
I think you are right. We all care about our own well-being, and improving the lives of others around us means that we also benefit. We benefit from living in a society where people care about each other, as we are all in this together.
This is a very simplified description of secular humanism, but I think that understanding these concepts better will also lead to a better awareness about how we can improve our lives and those of others.
Taking abound things is good. It increases public awareness regarding things people might not think about on their own, or things that wouldn't affect them that they might care about. Discussing social issues isn't about feeling superior, at least not for myself. This "system of incentives" you're talking about will never come to be if people don't talk about it.
You shouldn't shame people for taking about what they care about. If it's not important to you, you most likely have little to add, so you might as well let it be. But to tell someone that they're only saying something to feel superior to others is a little hasty.
Greed is not as innately human as you might think, Western world aside. There are individuals and communities who go about their business in a rather selfless way. It is possible. Capitalism is not a human trait. Money is not everything. Moving society forward is very subjective.
rghiu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:39:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you care about the issue then you should care about the tactics you are using. Calling people greedy is unproductive and likely to polarize as opposed to build consensus.
People are greedy. Without a doubt. I don't mean to say every person is, just people in general.
rghiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why not just make that a working assumption when you're trying to come up with a solution? Arguing that greed is bad is like arguing against gravity. It's going to happen, factor it into your calculations.
Honestly it is very possible that we could have renewable energy right now if it wasn't for greed. Nikola Tesla for instance was working to give the world free energy. His funding was pulled because it wouldn't make money because there would be no way to regulate it.
rghiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that corporate capture of government is usually a bad thing and we should fight it at every step.
GEAUXUL ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 15:29:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is a poor person buying a $2,000 gas powered car over a $40,000 electric car greedy to you?
We all buy the cheapest thing. If that's greedy then everything is greedy.
If you decide not to be greedy and pay livable wages with decent prices, a hundred other companies with seize your kindness and choke you out of the business with their greed incentive.
Lukiss ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:02:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is why government's exist and can regulate industries, come on people
zane17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Governments are inefficient, victim to the same forces, and you shouldn't expect departments to avoid being captured for very long.
Lukiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure having a for profit motive for everything has gone so well in the past. And I'm sure regulations = nationalization. Are you for private K-12 schools too?
zane17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you implying the US public school system is a success of government?
Lukiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No i think our public education system is awful, and I think privatizing it and giving "vouchers" to charter schools will only make public schools worse. I want to fix the public system as it's a basic right for everyone to be able to get an education.
Compared to the time before a high school education was the right of every citizen, yes. It's been going downhill lately for a variety of reasons, but the mere fact that it's administered by the government isn't the problem. It's the way they're doing it.
myhipsi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the case. Buyers are just as greedy as sellers. Lineups and/or mayhem in the stores on Black Friday is a good example. Buyers want something of value as cheap as they can possibly get it, sellers want to sell it for as much as they can sell it for. The price for most goods and services ends up somewhere in the middle.
We don't all buy the cheapest thing, though. And yes, if the price is what matters most to you, I might go as far to call you greedy. Why, you ask? Because you're basing the decision on what you and only you have to gain or lose. Buying a hybrid or electric vehicle would be less greedy, because you have little to gain from it aside from lowering your contribution to pollution (to simplify matters, not necessarily literally).
You really had to reach for an example that wouldn't be greed, in which you succeeded. I don't think that a poor person should sacrifice food and family for a slightly more environmentally conscientious car. However, if a poor person doesn't need a car, then it's still greed.
Wikipedia:
Greed is an inordinate or insatiable longing for unneeded excess, especially for excess wealth, status, power, or food. As secular psychological concept, greed is an inordinate desire to acquire or possess more than one needs.
They're making a decision based on self interest. If the poor person needs a car their needs are going to need to be met before they consider environmental effects. That isn't greed, that's what literally everyone does, it's common sense and survival. That isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It isn't greed to choose to not create a business that isn't profitable. The business is not sustainable at that point and it fails.
Whether or not it happens doesn't change what it is, though. Decisions based on self interest are typically greedy. How you view that is a different issue entirely. I'm not about judging individual citizens for their choices, but that doesn't change what it is. I accept than humans, more than not, are greedy. Just because most of us are doesn't change what we are.
I didn't intend for this conversation to turn into a debate about what poor people do, how they spend their money, and what they need to live. It's a very tangential point, and came out of the blue and a half assed example.
It's extremely relevant to the conversation because it makes something that's difficult to measure immediately tangible. The real discussion is the net impact high cost renewable energies have on the poor and middle class. Energy and matter are the two fundamental resources required to make or do anything. When you require people to choose a higher cost energy option, it raises the cost of everything from new cars all the way down to a number 2 pencil. It would cause people that currently not struggling to struggle. Explaining away that there will be government programs to help with the costs simply moves and expands the problem. You can't run away from the fundamentals.
What else do you think people are discussing when they are talking about transportation, housing, and material needs? Energy issues affect the basic needs for survival. It's not an academic game or question. If we make fundamental inputs into the economy more expensive, people start to be unable to afford their basic needs.
If you only have $3000 to spend on a car, it's not greedy to buy that car instead of an electric car($$$). It's just not currently feasible for a huge part of the population.
How has this become about cars... it's not about cars... I didn't bring up cars...
I understand poor people don't have as much capital as rich people, and I do not think their choices are greedy because that's all they can afford. It was a terrible example for several reasons, and it wasn't mine.
whats "not much more" to you might be an insurmountable amount to someone worse off. maybe an extra thousand bucks on a hybrid is no big deal to you, but a non starter for others. you are basically saying "if they REALLY want to, they will just spend more money", when reality is that some people just...cant. you make it sound like a selfish choice when its one of necissity
So if you're poor, you shouldn't take MPG into consideration when purchasing a vehicle? Please, that's top on the list. I'm not hating on poor people, and I don't know how this discussion turned from "using fossil fuels as the standard for our nation's where needs stems from greed" to "poor people can't afford EV's." I don't think that was the point anyone was trying to make.
if you are really poor and need a car, you buy the cheapest thing you can get your hands on, in the short term. yes it might save you money to get a hybrid over the longterm but thats just not how being poor works. i just take exception to "well it really is greed and selfishness and if they cared more about the planet they would find a way to make a better, more expensive choice. i can find a gas powered car on craiglist for 2k right now that will get me to work. the cheapest hybrid i could find in a search was 7k.
I think the point people were trying to make is that the choices most people make are intended to fulfill short term needs, not to avoid adverse long-term consequences, hence the continuing demand for diesel/gas-burning autos and, subsequently, the continuing existence of oil companies. The entire world economy is based on oil and other fossil fuels: agriculture, medicine, transportation, lubrication of all kinds of machines, roofs, industrial chemicals, clothing, electricity, everything. It's not greed that drives the consumption of oil, it's the desire to progress and create a better quality of life. Fossil fuels have led to advancements in all facets of human life across the globe, unfortunately it's also contributing to deforestation, destruction of a diverse array of habitats, contamination of groundwater and the oceans, atmospheric pollution, rise in temperatures, etc. If you suddenly didn't have oil, you and most people on Earth would likely perish in months. It's a nice dream but it's probably not going to happen anytime soon so the alternative is to look for ways to maintain our current energy needs without sacrificing our standard of living. No one's figured it out yet. If you have any ideas you're more than welcome to chime in.
There's is a big difference between choosing actions that benefit yourself and greed. Doing something for someone else if it's harming you is not healthy or noble. It's a detriment to yourself, which in turn is detrimental to those close to you or to those who depend on you. THAT is selfishness, ironically. Seems backwards doesn't it? There is also a fine line between ambition and greed, by the way. One is perfectly normal and OK, we're literally biologically designed for it; greed is is hoarding without helping others.
You really had to reach for an example that wouldn't be greed, in which you succeeded.
How is that example a reach? There are lots of poor people (or even middle-class or whatever you call them that can't afford anything more than inexpensive gas powered cars) and lots of them need to drive. Poor people buying cheap things isn't some out-of-nowhere example, it's literally all around us.
Because of all the modifiers. Not people, poor people. Not just a car, a $2000 car. Not just an efficient vehicle, a $40k electric vehicle. Not just because they want to, but because they need to.
Right, in that very specific example, that's not greed. That's not more than they need and it's what they can afford. Why not compare a $5000 2008 Chevy Impala SS with a $6000 2007 Prius? Now the issue of need versus want is more marginal.
To take the "reaching" example father, you could compare buying a $500 horse versus a $125k Ferrari. You could make it as ridiculous as you wanted, and that's why the example was a reach. There are exceptions to everything.
Greed is what fuels most of our progress. Do you think companies and investors are funding alternative energies to the tune of billions upon billions of dollars now out of altruism? They're doing it so they can bring it to market and rake in money.
I disagree with your first statement, keeping in mind that progress is subjective. There's a good bit of work done on this Earth for the benefit of others, some of it even selflessly so.
Aside from that, spot on. Greed (or just money/power) is too often the motivator in life.
Before I peruse that 15 page paper, would you like to summarize what your point might be on bringing it up? I couldn't manage to correlate the title to the conversation.
This is arguably the landmark paper on altruism from an academic perspective.
Abstract: When people make donations to privately provided public goods, such as charity, there may be many factors influencing their decision other than altruism. Social pressure, guilt, sympathy, or simply a desire for a "warm glow" may all be important. This paper considers such impure altruism formally and develops a wide set of implications. In particular, this paper discusses the invariance proposition of public goods, solves for the sufficient conditions for neutrality to hold, examines the optimal tax treatment of charitable giving, and calibrates the model based on econometric studies in order to consider policy experiments. Impure altruism is shown to be more consistent with observed patterns of giving than the conventional pure altruism approach, and to have policy implications that may differ widely from those of the conventional models.
skwerlee ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:17:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is greed.. but greed is also responsible for many of the things that have improved quality of life for mbillions. Capitalism doesn't operate without self-interest.
Yes and no. It's cheaper in certain areas where sufficient sun/wind/hydro/thermal is available. There's a problem with dense energy storage for transportation/long term storage use though still. Battery tech has come a long way, but batteries are expensive and dirty to produce and they have short lifespans relatively. If we can find an easy to transport, sufficiently dense storage medium, especially if it can be transferred faster than it takes to recharge a battery, it would be a massive discovery. Hydrocarbons are excellent at storing energy while being relatively stable, their biggest problem however is they release carbons into the atmosphere (carbon dioxide/monoxide) and combustion engines are relatively inefficient. Ideally a high efficiency fuel cell can be created as well. Then we can use clean energy sources, store it as some form of stable fuel that can then be used in fuel cells for things where batteries make less sense (aircraft/long haul transportation/supplemental grid storage).
bstix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It all depends on the economic backbone. Obviously, renewable energy which requires no cost for fuel, should be capable of producing "free" energy once the investment is paid off.
There's just too many people already sharing the cake. One guy is producing the turbines or panels and should get paid. Another guy is putting it on his property and should get paid. A third guy is enabling the power through his grids and should be paid. The people who invested and risked their money into building the grid and power plants (both renewable and conventional) needs their interest paid. Then there's all the consultants in every related field who'll optimise the investments and need a cut. Finally there's the taxman needing a cut off any revenue and also specific energy taxes.
So, sure. If you had a turbine or solar panel on your own land, you could go off grid and maybe even convert the surplus into something of a value. But in most countries that's just not allowed. Why? Because everybody else wants their piece of the cake.
I've always been fascinated by renewable energy. I love the tech and think it both could and should benefit the entire mankind, but the more learn about how it actually works financially and politically I get more and more pessimistic. It's not that I don't understand the reasoning, it's just that the current economic models lack any kind of visions on a larger scale than individuals lining their pockets.
The technology is fine, but the business is limiting the potential.
Zienth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on timing. Lots of renewables cannot increase power at will or are really inconsistent. Providing power to the grid during low demand isn't as valuable as during high demand times, and fossil fuel power plants have no problem ramping up capacity to meet those high demand times. This is probably the biggest reason you won't ever see fossil fuel power plants go away for a long time, even if they start becoming uneconomical.
I hate this attitude that things are okay because markets encourage it.
It's cheaper to use slaves to make t-shirts, and yeah people would probably buy them, but it's morally wrong and requires legal action or a change in the system to fix it.
And of course these changes are opposed by the people who got wealthy from them in the first place.
rghiu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that things are ok because the market encourages it, I'm saying that the market is by far the best way to allocate resources. If we want to make small adjustments here and there to account for negative externalities, then let's go for it, but thinking you're going to fix this problem by labeling people as "greedy" is childish.
...the market is by far the best way to allocate resources
The market is good at finding a true value. The market would also set a true value for slaves. If the thing being traded is immoral, the market isn't going to stop the trading, or reduce it to sustainable levels.
...fix this problem by labeling people as "greedy"...
The markets most people talk about simply set a price, selling at the market value is not normally considered 'greedy'. The greed comes in when money influences politics, science and the media so the people selling their fossil fuels can spread misinformation to make more profit.
There have been written many articles about how big oil have been sabotaging clean energy research and implimentation etc. On mobile but will link later.
It's already cheaper to switch to renewable if you factor in fossil fuel subsidies and health problems from fossils fuels (mostly from mining and burning coal).
rghiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as it is cheaper to pump oil out of the ground and use it to fuel cars, we'll do that.
Nonsense. The very first cars were electric and it was only the greed induced immense political power of the fossil fuel industry that made sure fuel combustion became the wave of the future and it's the same greed and power that has prevented any alternate methods from making any headway.
Ahhh, the sound of people reasoning their own species' suicide
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rghiu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:13:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, but what's the point of looking at it through that lens? It's a dead end street. You aren't going to change human nature. People are always going to look out for their self-interest at the micro scale and they are always going to respond to the system of incentives we set up as a society.
If we want to change behavior, we need to change the system of incentives, and merely labeling people as greedy isn't really going to accomplish anything.
As long as it is cheaper to pump oil out of the ground and use it to fuel cars, we'll do that. As soon as it becomes more economically viable to use renewable energy, we'll do that.
"economically viable". People are not going to build a company that cannot sustain itself, that would be a stupid decision.
Lukiss ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has nothing to do with greed, it has to do with the economics of labor. As long as it is cheaper to use slaves for labor, we'll do that. As soon as it becomes more economically viable to pay people wages for their labor, we'll do that.
See how simple "free markets" don't mix with morals too well?
rghiu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enslaving humans =/= filling up my car with gas so I can go get groceries.
Lukiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying you are equivalent to enslaving humans when you fill up your car with gas. I'm saying the oil and gas companies that are destroying the planet through their commerce are equivalent to enslaving humans, in the sense that both are morally untenable and should be outlawed.
I'm saying that your argument of "that's just economics" is naive, and that governments regulation and laws should ban the practice, similar to what we're seeing with the Paris Accords (even though those aren't nearly as much as should be done, but it's a step)
Exactly. If we were to start abandoning fossil fuels today, it would create a massive amount of jobs. Jobs for installing new equipment, breaking down old equipment and job sites, restoring the land or re-purposing it (such as creating tours of mineshafts?, creating the new equipment, people who maintain and run the software side of the new equipment. People want factory jobs so bad? Well, now we have a need to create solar panels and wind turbines. All these college grads with no jobs? Let's put em to hard labor and have them start installing and setting up equipment. Damn, truck drivers can make out too. We are literally sitting here complaining about this problem while we're closing our eyes, plugging our ears and screaming bloody murder like 6 year olds whenever the solution starts to talk. Things don't always need to stay the same, everything needs to grow and what we're doing as a planet, mostly as the united states, is saying we refuse to grow up. This shouldn't even be about fixing the environment anymore. Fuck the environment if that's how you really feel, but to say fuck profits and fuck every single citizen who is out of work is what we should be fighting. We already know the baby boomers and wealthy don't give a shit about the planet, and they only pretend to care about people. Tell them there's profit in it, tell them if they do this, more people will have jobs which means more people can spend more money. Going green shouldn't be the fight anymore. The fight should be for more jobs and more money for the people who actually can afford to give a shit about making policies change.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhat true but also the tech we have just isn't capable of taking over yet.
Those making money will soon jump ship as the profits will decline rapidly in the coming years.
If only we had started taking this seriously when it was first discovered and not 40+ years later.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real reason is that there isn't anything ready to practically replace fossil fuels yet. There's a lot of transition, infrastructure, individuals acquiring the new cars and the power stations capable of handling energy generation on the scale of fossil fuels, etc that has to happen. That doesn't happen because someone doesn't like fossil fuels. It is market driven, whether that be because fossil fuels diminish and demand increases, or because an alternative comes along that is more easily affordable by the masses.
That's not accurate. The problem with fossil fuels is legacy costs, not profitability. There are very few power projects that are not paid for in part by the taxpayers.
The first part of it is the life of a plant. Your typical coal plant is going to have a life of 40 years. So a plant we built in 1970 that needs replacement isn't as expensive to replace as that one we built in 1990, and even less expensive than the one we built in 2000. The expense (known as legacy costs) comes in the form of the loan that you would take to finance such a project. So you're still paying for the coal power you are not using and now you have to finance and fund renewable power.
It means that despite some forms of renewables (wind and hydro for example) being more cost effective than fossil fuels.... they represent a very large increased cost to the consumer. Companies would happily switch to renewable energy if the government paid them to because they would get to double bill the government for a power system they wouldn't be using.
The other problem is also government related (and not profit related). Coal and oil provide a lot of jobs. Typically when you do an energy project you want most of the spin offs to it to go to your country. Generators, turbines, and replacement parts for hydro dams, all built in America. Solar panels.... uh.... mostly build in China. There is actually an abundance of new wind projects across the United States because General Electric produces most of the parts needed for wind. But solar, that's all China.
There is an addiction to coal and oil because both of those industries have spin off industries that produce high paying jobs. That in turn means that those regions will be lobbying and working to keep those sorts of jobs going. For the first time that the Democrats pledged ending the use of fossil fuels the state of Michigan flipped Republican (who promised to protect coal).
So really, private corporations would love to have a grid that is based around renewable energies (because maintenance costs are cheaper for most of it). But really it comes down to private citizens and government. They have to be willing to throw away billions of dollars in tax revenues and thousands of jobs to go clean. It's not an easy transition.
But really it comes down to private citizens and government. They have to be willing to throw away billions of dollars in tax revenues and thousands of jobs to go clean. It's not an easy transition.
I don't consider myself and expert on this subject at all, but what happens when coal and oil runs out. Those jobs and revenue will disappear anyways. We've probably had a good 90+ years of building the infrastructure to make fossil fuels cost efficient to the consumer. I get that oil is not just to fuel our cars because we literally use it for everything. But this resource will eventually run out. I don't get why we don't focus all of our R& D into making renewable energy more cost efficient for everyone
Eh, read about peak oil. You can see even modern predictions are further out than past predictions or predicated on a switch to renewables. Running out of oil is not a serious concern
Fossil fuels are the cheapest energy available, with zero government intervention. If we got rid of half the regulations and stopped subsidizing it's competitors, it would be cheaper by far.
SizzlyG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's certainly why energy companies and CEOs are starting up clean energy infrastructure and denounced the US leaving the Paris agreements while they're also funding campaigns for climate change deniers across the country so
You don't honestly believe that, do you? Clean energy isn't less profitable, and there is a sea of companies searching out ways to make it viable, it just requires more investment and research. Luckily, we have someone like Elon Musk who gets that and is using his money to invest in exactly these areas. But he isn't doing it for charity.
Yeah man, they have engines that run almost exclusively on water but you never see them because of big companies. Do a little research on it, its super interesting.
Greed and ambition. The US could easily be 100% renewables right now, but that would have required politicians in the '70s and '80s to form long-term plans, rather than just planning for the next election.
I'm a project manager. All of the planning I do begins with the end goal, and then figures out how to reach that goal. Sometimes a project takes a week, and sometimes -- for master planning -- it takes 10+ years.
There is no comparable system in politics, and there never will be.
There are certainly long term projects in government. And there are massive problems we still need to solve to go 100% renewable for a wide and expansive country. Storing power is still an issue, one that we are making progress on, but it's still an issue.
Maybe we could have been on 100% renewables right now if politicians in the 40s and 50s didn't decide to build a national highway system, providing incentive for everyone to own their own car and putting railways out of business.
There is no comparable system in politics, and there never will be.
That's why politics should not be seen as a vector for public works.
Literally this. Human greed means someone, somewhere is looking to monopolize whatever cheap, clean, renewable energy source comes up as the most viable.
You want to insta fix half of the world's problems? Fix the issue of greed.
Pr1sm4 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion, greed played no, or very little, role in those cases.
People make breakthroughs, inventions, discoveries, cures, and all of the cool shit we use today, because they are/were hardworkers, driven, passionate about what they're doing, and many other things, but greed is rarely one of them.
If you think doctors and scientists around the world are trying to find the cure for cancer because they want to patent it and keep it from the public so they can charge vast sums, you're dead fucking wrong. They do it because of what it means to mankind to conquer these things, or invent/discover better ways of making and doing things.
Greed comes in when people take the cure to cancer, and charge unrealistic prices for it. Not the people who actually did the work to invent/discover it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People make breakthroughs, inventions, discoveries, cures, and all of the cool shit we use today, because they are/were hardworkers, driven, passionate about what they're doing, and many other things, but greed is rarely one of them.
Oh and also that funding by companies who want to make a profit. And I know, profit squared=evil and yadda yadda yadda, but I really would like to see a country where people are not driven by profit or a guy from the government with a gun that is highly successful in research (btw, industrial espionage isn't research). Once you come up with just about Jack and shit it makes it pretty clear that while a drive to solve problems and to help people is a huge part of it people are also motivated by the bucket loads of money they get as researchers. Someone's gotta pay em, businesses tend to be pretty decent at it, that's why pretty much every industry with rapid advancement is located in a capitalist country where profit is one of the driving motivators.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of inventions were made by hardworking, passionate people like you said, but without the motivation or benefit of making money they probably wouldn't be driven to make those things. Steve Jobs didn't just wake up one day and decide "I'm gonna make a smartphone for no reason other than the fact that I want to". If there was no money to be made he wouldn't have made the Iphone
There is a massive difference between people who are doing a job, and expect to be paid for their contributions, and people who try to increase that amount by stepping on others to do so.
I am not trying to relate greed to money. Greed is much more than just money, or the desire to acquire it. Greed is when you want more money, and are willing to sacrifice others to do so. When the value of decency and responsibility goes out the window for the sake of getting more money (I'm just using money as an easy example), that's greedy. And greedy people take advantage of any opportunity they can. Including clean energy. And the result of greed is a fucked up market that disadvantages the consumer.
Again, I just use money as an easy example. Another would be oil. Greed has driven us to drill/dig/frack in deeper and more dangerous places, in search of more oil. The environmental damage alone is massive, and now we've created a market that wants to prop up oil when clean, non-fossil fuel energy is the clear long-term solution. Thankfully, there's enough momentum in the clean energy sector now that we're actually making process. But to imagine that someone won't come along and push the limits for more money would be silly.
290077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The scientists may not be driven by greed, but scientific progress is not free, and the people who pony up the cash for these scientific endeavors do so because they hope to profit off of it.
Without greedy investors, the scientists could not afford to run their experiments.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:42:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At no point did I say it was unreasonable to give people credit where it's due. I was implying that there are enough people out there that are actively seeking to take advantage of others for their own benefit, and renewable energy isn't immune from those types.
An example is that douche bag who upped prices on prescription drugs for the sole purpose of making himself more money. He himself did not make the drug, or was directly involved in making it, but was in a position to sell it, and make money off of it. He did that, and put an unfair price on it to make even more money. That is what greed is.
How the hell you got this idea that I was saying the people directly involved shouldn't be rewarded for doing their hard work, is beyond me. Reddit as a whole could use some practice in reading comprehension.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats not what he did. He increased prices so that he could pay investors and develop a better alternative.
At least some people would argue that what he did is unorthodox, at the least. At the most, it is disrespectful to the people who had relied on that drug, and it's price point, for many, many years, as you pointed out.
The article I linked had a good example of what greed really is. When asked about the drug hike, he just replies, "Itโs a business, weโre supposed to make as much money as possible", which underlines how much relevance he places in the people using his product. What makes him a greedy douche bag is that he doesn't seem to understand that his company provides healthcare to people, and the whole premise behind profiting off of sick people is fucking pathetic.
You literally spoke out against monopolies. After years of hard work an investor is given rights to a monopoly for a limited amount of time (A PATENT) for his invention.
I spoke out against people who utilize monopolies to directly benefit themselves, at the expense of others.
Also, let's stop comparing patents to monopolies. A patent, like you said, is only for a certain time frame, and completely legal. It was designed to encourage research and development of such high-risk, long term projects such as medicine, while providing a way to help recoup some of the investment spent.
When the patent covers something that is so crucial to society, such as medicine, it's a bit of a fucked up move to hold that over everyone and demand exorbitant, unrealistic prices. Which is what my entire point was; greed is rampant, and turns great things like medicine, into tools for the greedy to help themselves at the expense of others. If you don't see why that's a problem, I don't what else to tell you.
you should also try not repeat talking points you randomly hear and actually look at
My points are my own, and my opinion is my own as well. Perhaps you should stop making assumptions about what I do or don't know. Are you more interested in backing up your weak arguments, or insulting me because you didn't understand what I was saying?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not. They're getting a new, cutting-edge drug that doesnt have AWFUL side effects because of it.
Nothing I've read suggested he was improving anything. Please, provide a source to prove that the company was improving the drug he hiked the price on.
You dont understand what greed is. The purpose of ANY business is to profit as much as possible.
Again, don't know where you read that I didn't understand that. No shit, businesses are in it for money. I'm not saying all businesses should be non-profit and offer all of their stuff for free. The fact I have to explain that this isn't what I meant is kind of perplexing, because I felt like I was pretty clear that I don't have issue with people making money.
It's when the pursuit of more profit comes at the expense of people making or purchasing those goods, is when I call it greed. What else would you call that? Good business practice? You'd definitely fit in with the business elite you pretend to be.
As a result, he profited, is close to finish developing a new substitute, and his investors were paid off 3x. Nothing evil.
Again, would love to see the sources on this. The article I linked before quoted him as saying he raised $100 million as a result of the hike. In an industry that deals in the billions, what can $100 million legitimately improve upon that your normal fundraising options couldn't have covered? Sounds to me like he had investors who didn't trust him, and he chose the quickest option to get them to commit by turning a quick profit at the expense of people's healthcare. Apparently, they were right to be concerned, considering he was convicted of securities fraud.
their purpose is to maximize their earning potential WHILE satisfying the customer's needs.
Wow, thanks professor. Without you, this super obvious bit of information would have been lost to me.
If you can't strike a balance between profit and cost to the consumer, you aren't making the consumer happy. When you have an item that only you can produce, and you gouge the price to an unrealistic amount simply because you can, you are a greedy fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I just have a different opinion than you, and you're obsessed with trying to prove that I, a random internet stranger, know less than you. Maybe you should grow the fuck up?
Cough cough..... the American health care system where you have people/organizations/companies trying to turn a profit on every level and product used driving the costs way up. I don't think there is a better example of this in our society of greed getting in the way. We see access to whatever healthcare you need to live for however long you possibly can as a human right (societally) so why are we still profiteering in the industry? Like why are we telling people/creating the circumstance that someone can't get the healthcare they need to live or prevent/catch things early enough that they don't die simply because they don't have enough money? I don't think anyone is okay with actually saying to anyone "You don't deserve the care you need because you/your parents don't make enough money so you are going to die and that's just tough luck but it's entirely fair and the way the world should work."
And I don't think there is anyone who would be willing to say "yeah you may have worked really hard to get yourself out of poverty as kids, paid your ways through college, survived cancer in your 20s (one parent of mine), got screwed by your first marriage in the settlement/scenario (both parents), worked your ass off to get to CIO of your small company or make really good money working in the financial securities industry, were financially super responsible, never splurged on things like cars or TVs or clothes because of brand even though you could afford it because you are so focused on value, and invested your money well, but it's totally acceptable/fair/the right thing/American that even with insurance you had to drain your savings and dip into the retirement money you have been so responsible putting together since you started your careers because one of you has cancer at 60 and needs a mastectomy and 6 months of chemo to potentially beat it and live the rest of your potential life happy and healthy with your family."
Are we as a country really okay with this being the reality of our healthcare system? Are we okay with healthcare costs being so high because people want to make a $$ on everything from the insurance, to the machine used to test you, to the scalpel used during surgery? Are we okay with people dying because they can't afford treatment? Are we okay having people achieve the "American Dream" hit upper middle class only to see there entire life's work go away because they got sick with one major thing (using this as my example because this is what most of people dream/strive to accomplish in this life)? I'm not saying it should change to "you get free everything healthcare" because I don't think that would fix everything. I'm just posing the question.....Are we okay with this? And if we aren't how do we make it better?
Healthcare costs are high because somr people never pay their bills. Their costs go to everyone else. People from all over he world travel to America, receive their important life saving procedures, and leave without paying. Americans foot the bill, which is why we can't get cheaper healthcare for our own citizens.
100% this. Greed almost always kills innovation and progress.
sivrag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see a reason why the major coal and gas industries wouldn't be invested in being the dominant controllers of this too. I'm okay with a greedy oil magnate becoming a greedy solar magnate. The government will subsidize the cost and there will always be money to be made in fueling the world's energy.
Diversify the portfolio! Invest in keeping the planet alive so you don't eradicate your customer base! Cocaine grows from plants! Prostitutes with creepy resemblances to your daughter breath oxygen! You can't indulge your wealth without a place to do it and Space-X is not bailing us out any time soon.
Maybe you should take this as a hint to renewables real life challenges. They are generally more expensive than available alternatives. High cost commodities make poor investments.
sivrag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Releasing green house gases into the environment creates a debt that won't be manageable by any single oil company. The investment is in the future of the species, not a company's bottom line. Infrastructure took time to build and it will take time to shift, but the decision to do so can't just be reliant on which is the most convenient at the time.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know people on Reddit tend to have this view that human greed is just the root of everything horrible and evil in the world, but also forget it was also the reason why pretty much everything good in the world exists. Your cellphone didn't come from charity, it came from a series of people with really good ideas getting paid to carry them out by people with the money to back it.
Not to say greed isn't a problem in many areas in life but it's just that it's really annoying seeing Reddit go on about the horrors of human greed like they don't understand it's a double edged sword and it's the reason we don't live in mud huts.
Pretty sure all the most dangerous despots over the last 100 years have been communists and socialists. If you don't like capitalism, Venezuela sounds like a good place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
Only if human greed doesn't get in the way. Pretty sure that's responsible for more than 50 % of our problems.
It's more like 95%. Greed is the #1 reason research into sustainable energy has been hampered for a century, is the reason entire continents have borders the way they are (with all the consequences it implies) and why there's still slavery in the 21st century. We could also probably cure most diseases, cancer included, if profitability didn't come into play.
A drop in the proverbial bucket compared to the hundreds of billions invested in oil and its infrastructure, in buying patents to ensure there's no competition, in buying and shutting down public transit, etc.
Go invest your own money and risk it.Tesla was briefy the largest automaker in the USA and is now worth nearly 60 billion$ and many green tech titans like Musk are billionares thanks to their investments in green tech that worked out.
Also there are trillions invested in oil because entire world runs on the stuff and attributing some conspiracy theories about "them" blocking advances is ignorant and disrespectfull to millions of engineers that work hard to solve problems of energy storage and this is a very complex issue
You seem to forget how automakers and big oil have been killing their competitors since the 1930s. There used to be efficient public transportation in most places until Ford and General Motors started buying the companies to shut them down in order to sell more cars. Tesla is a very new thing and is only big in a couple of countries and its market cap isn't representative of the # of vehicles they make.
General Motors have stopped Toyota and other automakers from taking their market share ? If they "shut down competing public transport" why does subways even exist in the US?
Microsoft stopped Google or Yahoo stopped Google that had a superior technology?
It is very hard to compete in transportation with energy density of hydrocarbons and even a very inefficient combustion engine was beyond what batteries could provide for decades and only recently lithium ion is coming close to being competitive against petrol
You seem to ignore the fact there was electric public transportation (a lot of streetcars) in pretty much every medium to large city, starting from the late 19th century. Ford and big oil killed public transportation everywhere they could to create an artificial demand for individual cars. It's very well documented.
Greed isn't innate, it's learned. Part of what creates this learned practice is material conditions. With easy renewable energy the whole world can get(without rare earth resources) so much of the hostility between nations would be tampered down.
In case you didn't realize, material conditions are inescapable.. We live in a finite material universe on an overcrowded ball. Are you going to argue animals acting in self-interest is 'greed' too?
I think the big problem isn't greed, it is envy. Competition is necessary, but our system allows anti-cooperation. It's often easier to put down your competitors than to improve your product past theirs.
Sure, material conditions will always exist. But to the degree that it affects our sociopolitical landscape is also important. Greed is a problem. The astounding proliferation of wealth of the few, while 100s of millions struggle with basic necessities; it's abhorrent. I would never blame those who have almost nothing of being envious of those with so much. Especially when those with so much benefit from historical and contemporary theft of resources, land, and labor.
Greed is a problem, but it isn't going to ever be completely solved. There is no system that will remove Greed from within us.
I wasn't saying the people with nothing are envious. I'm saying the big CEOs fighting over production use anti-cooperation to put each other down. Causes lots of regret. It's difficult to design a system that prevents people that want power from getting it, unfortunately psychopaths can be intelligent.
Actually, I think human greed could get us there, just that the global warming narrative gets thrown into everything, instead of allowing people to just be greedy and making money. If ExxonMobil, which they are trying, could make a shit ton on solar, wind and storage, they would. But they constantly have to fight bad arguments about their oil and natural gas
Capitalism made oil cheap after a decade of investment to solve expensive oil problem of 2000-2014 and solution was in fracking methods that started the modern shale gas/oil revolution
Cheap oil has a lot to do with the problems in Venezuela
Quasi-dictatorial regime is propped up for many years by oil revenue, thereby masking their incredible economic mismanagement and general incompetence, and then oil prices drop, the regime's stupidity is exposed, the people suffer, and "cheap oil" is the problem?
jfreez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. We'd still have a huge population that our world probably would not be able to sustain. We only have so much food and water
we are moving into sci-fi are right now, but if energy was in abundance and almost free we could build robots that would be cleaning oceans 24/7, machines worldwide would purify the air of green house gases and we'd head to towards recycling 100% of our waste. We would at one hand stop poluting and start celaning the planet. And if on top of that we would figure out wireless transfer of that cheap electricity...
jfreez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could, but all that would take a while to get up and running. Who knows of we'd make it there before mass upheavals
You think the middle East is messed up now, wait til nobody needs their oil
Karzdan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By then no one will be over there meddling in their afairs.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a reason why all the major Middle East petro states have been trying to get into high finance and the like for the last 2 decades. They have seen the various definitions of peak oil come and go, and knew what it meant for their power base, so they have been trying to diversify. Bigger problems are for the non Arab members of OPEC, like Venezuela and Ecuador are the ones that are in trouble, as well as gas exporting countries like Russia. Those are the ones that have been in massive economic troubles due to not diversifying off fossil fuels.
Most of them are quietly investing in green tech just so they don't totally get left behind, but they keep lobbying for oil so it retains some value before the bubble bursts.
Jdxc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't actually think it would, based on what we know about Jevon's Paradox.
It would, but only if the oil industry can just back off and let green energy thrive. Some corparations are so damn greedy and it is very much a problem. But I am fairly sure that regardless of what big money companies do, renewable energy will eventually prevail.
Meh, not really. Most of our power problems come from infrastructure. Modern nuclear fission plants are relatively clean, cheap and safe, getting that power out to folk is the expensive/hard part.
clean? nope, there's a lot of wast we have no clue how to deal with. Cheap? Defienietely cheaper than coal, but not cheap at all, we only use less than 1% of the power available in the solid fuel of modern reactors and uranium is as expensive as platinum. Safe? Yes, until a natural disaster strikes you.
Relatively clean. Watt for watt it's much cleaner than all other non-green sources of energy. When you include manufacturing processes in to environmental impact it rivals solar and wind (they're still cleaner of course but they get closer than you would think). One of the major issues with efficiency in fission reactors is not having the infrastructure to support higher outputs.
The only two major reactor issues we've ever had are fukushima and Chernobyl, both of which could have been prevented if they had listened to the advisors.
The only two major reactor issues we've ever had are fukushima and Chernobyl, both of which could have been prevented if they had listened to the advisors.
Fair, I did forget three mile island. That was moreso operator error than the others. Don't get me wrong Chernobyl was OE too, but also had to do with design flaws in the reactor itself we suspect.
misscpb ยท 509 points ยท Posted at 14:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We literally have it. We just don't have the infrastructure for it. Too bad because building all that sure would create a lot of jobs
That's not true. We have solar technology yeah, but the main issue is batteries. Our battery technology just isn't in an ideal place for solar power to become completely viable domestically.
Batteries are already proven enough for vehicles. For anything static, or municipality-sized storage, there's other more efficient ways that are already being worked on:
Reservoir storage, pumping water between two lakes at diff. elevations.
Rail ramp / well / shaft storage, pulling a weight up with excess energy, collecting energy as it drops
These things only require large amounts of concrete and the like, whereas batteries require a linear amount of lithium or rare earth matters (latter mining being v. bad for the environment). I think u/misscpb is quite right in saying "we literally have it". We have examples of collection, storage, and transportation on LARGE scales, and taking it to the global scale just requires investment and moderate incremental improvements, not any breakthroughs.
It would make sense to have industries with high energy cost near energy production. Combine that with vertical/indoor farming and we can bypass energy transmission and storage issues for a percentage of certain industries.
Still have to transport materials and goods, but I think there's a great deal of room for improvement for efficiency there. Plus, it would be more likely that there'd be energy generation closer to the equator, so long overseas transport wouldn't be the norm.
It would make sense to have industries with high energy cost near energy production.
Ok sure lets just uproot all of US manufacturing, that's surely going to work.
Come on, be reasonable. Solar cannot and will not ever cover the base demand used by industry, that's why Nuclear is necessary until better technology comes around.
Oh, I'm all for more nuclear. You're right, it's not as simple or immediate as my comment made it sound. And I guess it would be more that new infrastructure for high energy processes builds near cheap, abundant energy rather than suddenly moving existing stuff. Maybe it'd eventually be worth moving a worn out plant instead of rebuilding, if the energy cost was different enough, but you're right, that's not likely. I'm not an expert, but it could work as a gradual shift as our economy adapts over the next century, I think. That only happens once coal/gas is more expensive than renewables/nuclear, so we can wait until accessible fossil fuel gets scarce and scramble to adapt, or we could fund renewables research and try a carbon tax to ease into it sooner. Plus, being a leader in new energy production tech would be pretty sweet for job growth.
I doubt we'll get to solar only within the next century, but molten salt solar can maintain decent output overnight, and like others said, there's other storage methods besides batteries. It's good, and could eventually cover a large share of our energy needs, but yeah, it's not a cure-all to pollution, global warming, and energy needs. It is a good resource we should make the most of, though.
I don't think we do. If we had an option cheaper than coal/oil then it would boom and coal would be a thing of the past. I agree that we should have a cheaper alternative but I don't see the alternative at this moment, other than maybe nuclear.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:26:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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audigex ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:44:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewable costs are also plummeting: the hydrocarbon companies often quote average prices over the last 20 years, or use a 2000 price or something, hoping people will think "Oh that's quite recent" - when the reality is that the price is dropping rapidly even with the relatively small volumes currently being deployed.
If those volumes increased, the cost would drop yet further. And even if the up front cost is still higher, there's a point at which you just say "We should do this anyway"
Fun fact: the unit of energy commonly used (in the US at least) is MW*h, as a watt is one joule per second. Why we don't just express it in joules I don't know. Seems like a lot of unnecessary conversions.
CrivCL ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:15:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MWh is customary in power systems everywhere to the best of my knowledge.
The "Why?" is pretty simple - generators are in MW so MWh means avoiding a lot of back and forth conversion and unintuitive prefix changes - a 321 MW unit provides 321MWh over an hour. You could sub in 3.6GJ=1MWh (so a 321MW unit provides 1155.6 GJ) but it's two more places to make an error so engineers don't unless they need to.
I think I need to look up how this stuff is measured, that might help. If a generator outputs however much energy per time, the energy is the real unit you're interested in. Wh itself is a measure of energy consumption, so the extra step seems silly. But if the monitoring equipment is such that it necessitates outputting values of watts, I could see not wanting to fiddle with the units too much.
The most important aspect to see why they do this is to look at why they use watts.
Power, measured in Watts, is a rate of joules per second, so an instaneous measurement of the rate at which you're using or supplying energy, how much energy per second is that generator supplying vs how much energy per second are those loads consuming. There are two main reasons this measurement is useful:
It's a system of supply on demand. Energy storage is expensive, so you try your best to not have to store any, instead, you scale the rate of energy production to match the current demand. Watts are the unit of measurement of rate of energy production and consumption.
Also, in a system as complex as the power grid, the voltage is stepped up and down all over the place using transformers, rectified to dc for use in some machinery, and things like computers, etc. By doing your measurements in Watts, you don't need to worry about all these conversations. You can use simple addition and subtraction to calculate power/energy needs, regardless of all those implementation details.
Now we can talk about the rates power companies charge. To them, all they care about is how much power is needed at any given point. They measure their production in terms of power available, not in terms of energy produced. Consumers also measure their usage in terms of power, but power usage varies across time. Sometimes all the lights are on, sometimes they aren't. How do you decide what power to charge someone for? You can't charge them at the maximum they draw during the billing period; that's overcharging. You can't charge them based on the minimum, that's under charging and you'll never make money. Instead, you add up all the watts they use throughout the payment period. In essence, take the watts, multiply it by how many hours you were at that level, and add it all up. Now they're getting charged based on how much power they're using for however long they're using it.
Well, what's the unit for a measurement of Watts * hours, which we just decided was the fair way to charge people? Watt hours. So that's what they use. It's a measurement of energy, just like joules. After all, a watt is a measurement of energy per time, and you multiply that by a time, you're left with energy. They just Care more about power than energy, so everything is referenced in the power number, not the energy number.
Tl;dr: due to electrical energy being expensive to store, power is generally generated on demand. The number the power company cares about is the instaneous power needed at any given time, because that's what they have to produce/what the customer's needs are. This is measured in Watts. To quantify a customer's demand in watts over a billing period they take the customer's demand and multiply it by how long they needed that level of power, then add it all up coming out with a number that is indeed a measure of energy. For the power company, they moreso care about it as a measure of how much power for how long, so that's how they charge for it.
Sorry. I tried not to assume any mathematical knowledge, and it kinda got long and ramble-y :-p it might not be of any help, but it took a while to write out, so i may as well post it!
It's all good, this was a fun read, and a pretty good explanation! I just graduated in mechanical engineering, so the math isn't the problem, I'm just not that strong with electrical systems. I think I'll always be biased against the kWh (we already have a unit for energy, damn it!) but at least now it makes more sense why it's used.
Nuclear is the most viable option for cheap and clean energy at this point but it's still pretty controversial thanks to 3 Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.
It's still almost dead in the water because it is expensive though. It's still not the cheapest route. It might be the cleanest. But events like that have hampered advancement to a degree. I hear the idea thrown around that a nuke plant is super expensive upfront and the returns aren't better than sticking with what you currently have.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:13:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are just repeating the lies promulgated by the nuclear industry. Sure they are cheap to operate if you ignore the initial cost of actually building them. No one has ever built a nuclear reactor which didn't end up costing at least twice as much as originally estimated.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:13:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it does not. You want to look at LCOE (lifetime cost of energy), not production cost. If you could actually read the bottom of the low resolution graph you provided it would make that clear.
Also, the IER (the source of your graphic) has published a lot of anti renewable energy / anti global warming research. They are funded by the Koch brothers. Research your sources, don't be a sucker.
Find me a contract constructor that doesn't cost at least double time/money than they quote and I'll free dive to the bottom of the ocean naked. That's their business model, lie and quote the best to get the job then claim delays because what they quoted was impossible. This isn't specific to nuclear plants.
Sure, but the problem with nuclear is they cost vastly more to build than solar, wind, hydro, gas, or coal plants. They are cheap to operate once completed. So if you ignore all the other lifetime costs with nuclear the 4 or 5 cents per kwh they cost to operate looks like a fantastic deal.
There is a reason hardly anyone outside of 3rd world countries (who want to create a nuclear bomb) are building nuclear plants anymore. Not in France where they comprise a huge portion of their total energy generation, not in Japan (an island with no good source of fossil fuels), and not even in China (where the government can ignore all the environmental and "not in my backyard" issues).
Nuclear is a terrible investment when you look at their lifetime cost. The actual cost has to include the cost to build, cost to operate, cost to store nuclear waste, and the cost to decommission, protect, and monitor the site for the next several thousand years until the radiation is no longer a threat. When you add up all those costs they stop making any sense to build.
If anyone is telling you otherwise, you should ask yourself what they have to gain from it. If the answer is that they work for the nuclear power plant industry or that their research was funded by the nuclear power plant industry you need go no further.
I'm asking myself what you have to gain from being against nuclear. France runs on nuclear energy, India is building lots of nuclear.
The places you mentioned: France doesn't need to build more, it's already a net exporter of energy thanks to its nuclear power. Japan doesn't use nuclear because of widespread fear mongering, no deaths were reported as a result of Fukushima yet there are massive protests against nuclear power. Japan is now struggling to get as much renewables as possible because of this backlash, but their plan was to be a lot more dependent on nuclear just a few years ago. China can't ignore all the environmental and "not in my backyard" issues, you're thinking of America. I know it's confusing because they're both democratic republics, but they are different countries. One is ran by an idiot that wants to be a dictator and the other is ran by a dictator that wants his country to prosper. China is in a great place because solar works very well for them (as it does in the US, but again China isn't ran by an idiot) so there's no need for nuclear - because of the lack of democracy they don't think "what's happening in the next 4 years" they think "what's happening in the next 25 years" - and that's exactly why they'll be more advanced than the US in no time. There's no question that when things are going badly dictators are worse than democracy, but when things are going well dictators are much better than the flip-flop of democracy, just think about how much of the current government's efforts are going into undoing what the previous government did.
Nuclear is probably not the best thing to do if you have other options, which the US does have, but if other renewables aren't an option (hydro/geothermal - small population, solar/wind - geographical restrictions) then nuclear is a great thing to be using over coal/oil/gas. Frankly, I don't give a shit what you say about kWh cost, I care about CO2 emissions and nuclear has lower emissions than fossil fuels.
That's just not true at all. Setup is more expensive, sure, but your returns more than make up for it. The only reason it's not being used is public fear. There is a lot of irony in that as well, as every step in our current process is incredibly dangerous. Perceptions are perceptions though.
The real reason nuclear isn't interesting is because it doesn't show a return on investment within the period someone holds public office. There's no political or economical incentive to build or develop nuclear plants right now.
That's why we need to find alternative, clean sources of energy outside of nuclear.
I follow you and you're right. It's just tragic that that's a "legitimate" reason while "let's try to stop the earth from burning up and killing us all" is not.
Wouldn't you save more money in the long run on Solar and Wind? Or would they even out eventually? Considering it costs billions just to build a reactor and get it online (aside from whatever the operating costs would be while it's in use), it seems that it would be better off to just advance solar and wind by leaps and bounds then try a resurrect something that has been relatively stagnant for decades. And, if you ever did get enough support to try and advance the nuclear age, it would most likely be that solar and wind (and other forms of clean energy, some possibly not yet known) would probably have advanced to the point of making nuclear power prohibitively expensive anyway.
If you actually understood nuclear power and understood the incredible amount of energy we carefully control you wouldn't call that "red tape" bullshit. It's there to keep us safe.
A lot of it is there to keep us safe, yes. But a lot of it is also there because people in the government have a vested interest in keeping new reactors from being built to compete with existing power sources.
I'm literally 90% done with both a BS and MS in mechanical engineering, having taken multiple classes in nuclear/power plant design with the express intent of entering the nuclear sector. I think I have a pretty good understanding of how this shit works.
the latter is also why a lot people would argue it isn't "clean" energy at all.
Jlocke98 ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 14:37:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear power plants have a lower death per watt hour rate than anything else, counting all the meltdowns. It also puts out less radiation than a coal plant
Cjedilo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Currently, but the risk is not comparable, the Sovjets almost evacuated both Minsk and Kiev, they moved hundreds of trains to those places, there was a big concern the bottom concrete slab of reactor 4 not hold, and if so, the east part of Europe would be uninhabitable.
sg7791 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an unrelated question.
Is that spelling of "Sovjet" regional? It makes sense linguistically, I've just never seen it before.
Cjedilo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:45:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Dutch, and indeed I used our spelling, was not aware English used an I there.
Per MW nuclear kills less people than solar and wind. By the way take a guess at what the death toll was from Chernobyl once all the hype had died down. I'll give you a bit of time.
It was less than 70.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:24:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's compare that to the number of yearly deaths from coal:
Around 20,000. Yes, that's right. A lot of miners are killed every year in China, Poland, Ukraine, etc. Those that aren't killed outright when a mine caves in live with silicosis, which sharply reduces their life expectancy.
The same goes for oil too. Just because it doesn't make the news when 3 Pakistani oil field workers die in Saudi Arabia it doesn't mean that the slow trickle of deaths doesn't add up to massive amounts yearly.
Nuclear is by far the safest option, but renewables are no longer a future option - they're competitive now.
Renewables require batteries, and they are only competitive in places like South Austrailia where they have bright sunshine all year round and the grid is easy to swap to a renewable type one. There is a lot of innovation happening in the nuclear industry, whole research centers built especially to develop more efficient manufacture of power plant components, therefor the price will come down with step changes such as small modular reactors.
Well, there's also the Mohave Desert, and most of Southern California, and large chunks of Arizona, Nevada and portions of New Mexico where batteries would work as well. Also, with solar panels getting more advance like this solar cell which can turn rain water into energy, we might be able to solve the energy crisis with minimal reliance on nuclear power.
Yeah so it does the desert. Just about no where in Europe.
Cjedilo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, it's 58 from the top of my head, I'm talking about the possible risk, Chernobyl could have been a lot worse, and this number is just the cases that could be directly linked.
You are right, so far so good, but as Fukushima will take 40 years to clean up and this year the radiation was the highest, besides the year of the disaster, I'm not sure if it's more safe. It still has he potential to completely rewrite life in and around the Pacific.
Chernobyl was the worst it could have been. Nuclear power plant fuel is only enriched to about 3 or 4%, where as weapons grade fuel needs to be 95% or higher. Its could not have blown up like when they were testing nuclear bombs.
Passive safety systems. Fukushima plant was older than the Chernobyl power plant. Nowadays nuclear power plants can shut down without any humans pressing any buttons. Fukushima required a computer powered by electricity provided by diesel generators to shut it down which got flooded. Modern day ones use compressed air.
Cjedilo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chernobyl could have been a lot worse if the concrete slab underneath would collapse which the Soviets considered a real possibility.
And the false sense of security you are portraying here was precisely what caused Chernobyl to happen in the first place, the Soviets considered themselves masters of the Atom and disregarded papers that predicted exactly what happend. Just as you like to do here, it's safe, nothing to worry about was the message of '86.
IlikeJG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:22:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah so we could have 58 deaths from a pretty bad situation (maybe not worst case, but still pretty fucking bad case) or we can have guaranteed 10s of thousands of deaths from other ways of producing energy.
audigex ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay: so what we're saying is that the local environmental release is higher.
That's not quite the same thing as comparing the tonnes of buried waste being hauled around the country and buried somewhere it will last for 10,000 years, though.
McBride and his co-authors estimated that individuals living near coal-fired installations are exposed to a maximum of 1.9 millirems of fly ash radiation yearly. To put these numbers in perspective, the average person encounters 360 millirems of annual "background radiation" from natural and man-made sources, including substances in Earth's crust, cosmic rays, residue from nuclear tests and smoke detectors.
We're talking about 2 days worth of background radiation, or around the same as a 2-4 hour flight. Source for flight radiation
This sounds like one of those "technically true, but missing the point" facts, where it narrows things down to a specific, counter-intuitive, but ultimately unimportant sample (people nearby when both systems are operating normally), while ignoring the major issue (potential meltdowns/containment breaches, tons of waste being hauled around by train)
I'll take my chances with 2 millirems a year, all things considered
You do realize that the Navy has quite a few nuclear reactors on ships that move across the world with no issues right? They've been operating for decades.
audigex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None we're aware of... but there have been known close calls. And how many close calls or even incidents haven't we heard of because they happened to be out of sight of land.... Besides, just because you've gotten away with something daft doesn't make it a good idea.
I've never quite caught the logic of putting a nuclear reactor on something you're expecting to be shot at...
Nuclear energy and their plants are extremely safe nowadays. Hell they were pretty safe back then too - Chernobyl failure was human induced by not maintaining safety protocols and Fukushima honesty was a terrible place for nuclear power and the backup electric grid that was supposed to maintain it in cases of failure.
The real issue with nuclear power is it is insanely expensive to build and once built insanely expensive to insure.
Chernobyl failure was human induced by not maintaining safety protocols
Glad that's the only time humans have ever made a mistake, and we've got absolutely nothing to worry about moving forward.
audigex ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how about Sellafield in 2005? Tokaimura in 1999? Are those not recent? Both are currently active as far as I'm aware, with fundamentally the same infrastructure.
I'm of the opinion that small amounts (0.3% of your natural background radiation) of radiation around a coal plant, for example, is cleaner than even the risk of a nuclear incident. Sure, they're rare - but they have huge repercussions.
Nuclear may be extremely safe, but it only takes one monumental fuckup. Do you seriously trust your government and the private operators, to be perfect 24/7 for 50 years? Do you trust that one tired minimum wage worker won't miss a step somewhere or fuck something up?
I've seen enough institutional fuckups that I definitely don't...
Well, it doesn't take one guy to fuck it up it takes institutional and systematic level fuck ups in multiple departments that don't get corrected for days, weeks, or months while also managing to fuck up beyond repair the system responsible for shutting everything down when there's a fuck up.
The coal thing really doesn't matter - that amount of radiation is minuscule and won't effect people. It's really just a fun fact that challenges what a lot of people think about nuclear.
But yes, I understand your point. Mine wasn't that all nuclear reactors are 100% safe, especially the older ones. Just that if we built new ones they would be astronomically safer.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They would, but then look at the new nuclear plant in the UK: The company building it has basically been guaranteed energy prices double current levels.
We would be better off building new nuclear plants than using old ones, in terms of safety, but we would be better off building wind turbines and hydroelectric power stations either way.
I'm not saying we should immediately shut down all nuclear power (or coal, for that matter), just that we should be putting all our time and effort into renewables
I'm not saying we should immediately shut down all nuclear power (or coal, for that matter), just that we should be putting all our time and effort into renewables
Keeping up our current economic welfare isn't possible with completely renewable energies and as long as it's not, we'll never stop using fossil fuels or nuclear energy.
And purely funding renewable sources isn't an option either.
Let's say you have 1 crapload of money to invest in energy for the next 30 years. That could go to literally anything that involves energy (new plants, research to improve renewable energy, nuclear power, ...).
If you decide to invest your entire budget in renewable energy but at the end of those 30 years don't have a solution for our current problem, then we're fucked as well. You took our entire budget for improvements so now we're left with vastly outdated power plants and no research for anything other than your failed renewable energy ideas. There's no budget to replace the power plants we have because we spent it all on research.
Now let's say you invest 0.5 of your crapload in renewable energy and invest the rest of your money in other things (like research for better ways of dealing with nuclear energy). While you might not be as far with your research for renewable energy as you could be in 30 years, at least we still have a working economy past those 30 years because we have alternatives to get us further.
In the future there is no doubt that we have to find a clean renewable energy source if we wish to prosper as a species, but simply going:"we should invest everything we have in it" is not the solution, because nobody knows WHEN or even IF we'll make the breakthrough we're hoping for. And if you bet too much money on the wrong horse, we'll have just as much of a problem as we have now.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe we need to spend that money on renewable research, though.
I mean, sure, some research into tidal and wave power would be good - but I'd suggest simply pumping the money into wind and solar. Both are already tumbling in price even with relatively low volumes. If you suddenly start pushing those renewables, the price will fall still further, and the average cost over that 30 years, while possibly slightly higher, will be much lower than the current cost of wind/solar.
The city (by which I mean, the city authorities, not the actual City) of Las Vegas runs completely renewable power. Google and Apple intend to run entirely on renewables this year or next.
Denmark has run on renewables for a day, Costa Rica for the equivalent of 11 months of the year. Iceland and Paraguay are both near 100% renewable (excluding cars)
Now of course, that's a little unfair - Iceland and Paraguay have natural advantages and neither are huge countries. Similarly Costa Rica was never a huge energy consumer to begin with, but even the UK (with relatively little space for solar power) has hit 50% renewable. And the US has significantly greater geothermal, solar, and hydroelectric potential than the UK, plus a hell of a lot more space.
Sure, there are costs - but I don't think your "You can lose all your money on research" adds up: with the technology we have right now, we can go 100% renewable if we accept slightly higher costs, with no risks. These are proven, reliable technologies which, although they're slightly more expensive, do not require any risk.
cabarne4 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:49:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coal plants, because they burn the coal and release the soot, pump out a lot of dirty gasses. Some of those gasses are slightly irradiated. Nuclear plants, when ran correctly, don't leak any nuclear material. Those giant cooling towers pumping out smoke? 100% water vapor. When the fuel rod is "spent", it's already given off most of the irradiated particles it will give off in its lifetime, and even then, it's stored in such a way that it shouldn't release any nuclear material (except for a few accidents, where storage containers were damaged / opened).
Even factoring in those accidents (as well as big plant meltdowns), it's still less nuclear radiation than all of the coal plants combined.
sigh I have the highest hopes for a nuclear future. I am glad to see some sanity on this forum instead of the typical OOOH SCARY! CHERNOBYL THO! that I get from literally everyone I talk to about this.
Anti-nuclear fear mongering from the likes of Greenpeace and other idiots has hamstrung the U.S. nuclear industry while China and Russia run circles around us.
It's just as bad in Europe :( well Sweden especially, I worked for a green politician and the green party's stance on nuclear power killed me....
They had some good points about the sorry state of the nuclear power plants, but instead of moving toward repairing/replacing it was DOWN WITH NUCLEAR, YOU CANT HUG YOUR CHILDREN WITH NUCLEAR ARMS
Nuclear is great, but when a nuclear plant goes bad, it has the possibility to go really bad. Granted, other fuel sources could have similar devastating meltdowns. Nuclear is just the "big, scary one" since you can throw around figures like "radiation sticking around for 1000's of years". Truth is, a meltdown like Chernobyl is basically impossible in a modern reactor. Fukushima is basically the worst that can happen with a modern reactor.
Either way, solar / wind is almost comically safe.
Yeah but I mean, cars have the possibility to go really bad. I've seen some gruesome fucking shit on the road but that doesn't deter the millions and millions of cars zooming right along every day every which way. I just think it's silly to demonize nuclear power because of the exact reason you state--the worst is what it is with modern reactors
Don't even get me started on that... There's a lot of things people avoid because it's "dangerous", and yet, cars are one of the biggest killers of young adults in the US. Once you really put some thought into it, cars are fucking terrifying. 2-4 ton death machines, traveling at 80mph, within feet of each other.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a huge car nut. I love working on cars. I love driving cars. But, I would love to see a future of autonomous, self-driving cars. Don't get me wrong, it would be a huge infrastructure investment to put chargers all over the country... But consider this: you wouldn't need to store excess electricity from the power station, if there were thousands of cars on the road instead. The cars themselves could balance the grid, providing stored power at night to reduce grid load, and storing extra power during the day, while sitting in parking lots.
Spent fuel rods have plenty of radiative potential left, just not much fissile potential left. And while well stored spent fuel is pretty safe now, there's still open questions about long term (thousands of years in many cases) and making less careful producers store appropriately over the long term.
That's basically the best argument against nuclear. And it's an argument I'm not prepared to join, since I don't know enough facts to formulate an opinion.
If you look at just the plant itself, though, nuclear is safer / cleaner than coal. If you look at the whole process (from mining to storing waste), there's some arguable points against nuclear.
I do know there's a case in Washington State, where a containment site has possibly been leaking. But that is an issue with storage / containment, and not power generation. Modern plants use even more of the material than old plants, too, so there's an argument that modem nuclear plants create less waste, which is easier to manage. Again, I don't know enough of the facts to get into a debate over spent nuclear fuel storage, I just know the power generation phase of nuclear is cleaner than coal and some others.
That waste also can be recycled into reusable energy sources. But reprocessing is banned in the US. France has a very low waste stream because they reprocess into mixed oxide fuels.
audigex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can reprocess some waste, but not that much. I live near the main UK reprocessing plant, they still produce plenty of waste...
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*usually contained
And the uncontained waste from a coal plant is negligible even to people nearby, as covered here
JJaska ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:54:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, coal is actually slightly radioactive and as we burn huge amounts of it it adds up.
audigex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source? And what type of radiation are we talking?
The amount of radiation in coal exhaust exceeds allowable radiation emission of a nuclear power plant by about a factor of about 2 according to my nuclear engineering class. I don't recall the sizes though, I'd assume it's apples to apples in terms of power generation. I also don't have a citation so take that as you will
audigex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'll direct you to another part of this discussion, which shows that coal radiation emissions (in terms of annual uptake by locals) from coal plants is less than 1/500th the legal maximum for nuclear plant workers.
Assuming no containment breaches and properly implemented long term waste storage
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First up, citation needed... What type of radiation are we talking here, precisely?
Second, you're assuming a best-case scenarios, on something where one worst case scenario is significantly more "everyone within 200 miles dies" than the other
I was just clarifying /u/Jlocke98's statement, so I don't have any sources to hand, but it basically looks like it boils down to the fact that coal plants churn out vast quantities of waste that means that, while the waste products themselves are much less radioactive, the exposure rate to that waste is many times higher.
As for worst case scenarios, many analyses of nuclear waste actually do factor those in. I don't know if that applies to the coal vs nuclear radiation output issue, but I do know off the top of my head that nuclear causes fewer deaths per kilowatt-hour than coal when you assume that you'd get disasters, including Chernobyl level disasters, at the same rate as so far over time, and it's also worthwhile noting that this assumption works in coal's favour because nuclear is only getting safer. The trick there is that nobody thinks about the cumulative damage coal does to peoples' health because it's a subtle effect caused by air quality and similar rather than almost nothing outside of rare but spectacular catastrophes.
Abell370 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:34:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cleaner than solar or wind if you take into account the CO2 produced during construction.
audigex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:42:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're only looking at CO2, maybe.
Although I think the tonnes of highly radioactive waste being produced, transported, and buried somewhere should probably be factored in here somewhere. Especially when that waste will be radioactive for longer into the future than humans have existed so far.
Clean is a relative term, and counting only CO2 basically makes it a nonsense.
Abell370 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 14:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although I think the tonnes of highly radioactive waste being produced, transported, and buried somewhere should probably be factored in here somewhere. Especially when that waste will be radioactive for longer into the future than humans have existed so far.
This point is often brought up by anti-nuclear folk, but it's highly exaggerated. Since I've had this argument before, I'll copy a comment I made once, calculating the impact of the Hanford nuclear waste spill (the biggest one in the US to date).
Oh, great, you brought up the exact waste problem I was going to reference. Here is a paper that investigated the Hanford nuclear waste spill. Go to their conclusions on page 21. They say there is an estimated 1.16 . 10-20 Bq per gallon in the Columbia river.
Let's try to see how much impact that has, okay? First of all, I'm going to switch to metric, so the concentration becomes 3.05 . 10-21 Bq per litre.
Now, how much radiation is that? A Becquerel literally just means one decay per second. It doesn't tell us how much energy is in there, so we don't know how damaging it might be, for which we need to know how many Sieverts these decays amount to (J per kg).
So we'll need to know what the decays are. For simplicity, I'm going to assume all decays are Ceasium 137. This actually works in your favour, because it's one of the more energetic decay products. So, a Caesium 137 decays with a 1.176 MeV electron, this is 1.88 . 10-13 J.
That means that per litre of water, there is 5.73 . 10-34 J of energy released in radioactive decay, per second. How damaging is this? Well, in order for a human being of 70 kg to receive the same radiation dose of a banana (9.8 . 10-8 Sv), you would have to drink 1.2 .1028 litres of water. The total amount of water on earth is about 1.4 . 1021 litre (1.4 . 109 km3 = 1.4 . 1021 l). So you'd have to drink around 10 million times all the water on the planet with that concentration of radiation in order to get the same radiation dose of a banana.
To be fair, renewable manufacturers can be powered by renewable energy once we're past the initial boot strapping phase, and nuclear does introduce problems in the form of waste transport (using internal combustion engines currently) and mining. Although, while the former likely works in renewables favour because you only need to transport the equipment once for the lifetime of the facility, the latter I don't know enough to say whether mining fuel for nuclear is better or worse than mining resources to build renewable generators.
Depends on the technology. Solar can be deployed ad hoc using roof space in cities and suburbs for instance, occupying space that wouldn't otherwise have been used, while wind power can be deployed such that it doesn't displace the bulk of the ecosystem it's deployed within. You can't do that with nuclear because while the plant might be smaller it isn't sparse like wind or easily subdivisible like solar.
Renewables last about 15 years, a nuclear facility can run for 60 years easily. So besides being a bigger drain in production, you need to multiply it by 4 as well.
Second of all, you think transport of renewable stuff doesn't impact the environment? Do you think windmills are built on the spot? Where do you think the rare earth materials for solar panels come from? Mining for those is at least equally damaging as mining for Uranium.
But you only need to transport renewables once per facility lifetime, which I already said above, while resource transport is a recurring cost for nuclear. As for lifespan for renewables vs nuclear residential solar panels are usually good for 20 years and they would be the worst option; commercial plants for solar and wind should be doable with much longer lifespans depending on construction quality and generation technique, with installations like hydro already being built for much longer service lives. As for nuclear lasting 60 years tell that to Fukushima - you can't claim nuclear is safe if you're also going to claim the type of long service life that leads to dangerously out of date, worn out reactors. While Fukushima probably would have kept working for years longer had it not been hit by a natural disaster a big part of why their containment failed so catastrophically was cumulative damage to the reactors limiting their control over the situation.
while resource transport is a recurring cost for nuclear
How so? I think you grossly overestimate the total mass a nuclear powerplant needs to operate.
with installations like hydro already being built for much longer service lives
Yes, you don't need to tell me hydro is absolutely amazing, I know. The problem is that only very few countries can run a hydro plant. Countries like Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark etc, who have absolutely no natural elevation available to run those facilities need alternatives.
I mean, look at Iceland, their entire country runs on geothermal, which is great. The problem is, 90%+ of the world can't do that, they need a stable and green alternative, which nuclear is.
As for nuclear lasting 60 years tell that to Fukushima
You realize it was hit by a tsunami, right? Although, I'll give it to you that they said it could withstand a tsunami, but that's not nuclear's fault, it's the fault of the Japanese cutting costs on safety. It's a human fault, not that of the technology.
you can't claim nuclear is safe if you're also going to claim the type of long service life that leads to dangerously out of date, worn out reactors
Yes, like for example in my country, Belgium. Where the Green and Socialist parties have boycotted any nuclear innovation for the past 40 years. Now our reactors are out of date and they have the fucking gal to protest the fact that they are out of date. Whose fucking fault is it that they were never innovated? Oh, right, their own. The hypocrisy is palpable.
Who do you think makes nuclear reactors? Yes, I know Fukushima was hit by a tsunami, I also know that containment procedures would have worked if they'd been properly maintained.
As for innovation in nuclear, your existing plants being worryingly out of date after 40 years kind of makes my point about claiming long lifespans for nuclear reactors. Boycotts are against new reactors, no one will object to safety upgrades to existing reactors.
The same species that builds renewable sources. So, things will go wrong with those too. When you're looking at deaths per TWH, nuclear comes out on top by almost an order of magnitude source. So if safety is your concern, you should really be rooting for nuclear, especially since, even with the incidents that have happened already, it's still winning by a huge margin.
Boycotts are against new reactors, no one will object to safety upgrades to existing reactors.
Lol, you are not very aware of the retarded political climate in my country.
Also, 60 years is for current generation nuclear reactors, of course the old ones have shorter life spans.
audigex ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but the argument I've seen from Coal supporters is that coal plants cause ~2 millirems per year of additional radiation absorption amongst those within a few miles of the plant. Compared to a typical 1millirem per day we receive in background radiation anyway.
And again, we're assuming that nuclear works perfectly: how about Sellafield (Windscale fire, anyone? And the later leak of waste?)
To be clear, I don't think coal is the answer: renewable are clearly the answer, but I think Nuclear is far worse. You may trust your government and private companies to do things properly, but the events I mention above near me, and the Grenfell fire in my nation's capital a few weeks ago, are among the myriad reasons I don't trust my government, nor their private company buddies, to do things right.
Yes, there will always be small incidents. Nothing is perfect. Look up the numbers of people killed per Watt of energy produced. Nuclear comes out on top by orders of magnitude.
If anything, past incidents have shown that the whole hysteria is completely overblown. Yes, we should act with caution, like we would with any dangerous technology, but the over-the-top doomsday bullshit is ridiculous.
No one in Fukushima got a dangerous radiation dosage. The highest radiation dose suffered by someone at Three Mile Island was the equivalent of a chest X-ray.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fatalities per watt seems like a weird metric, especially when we consider that nuclear is relatively new and therefore benefits from much more efficient generators etc. And either way we're talking about such small sample sizes in the number of plants running that incidents aren't, individually, statistically significant.
Fatalities per watt seems like a weird metric, especially when we consider that nuclear is relatively new
Solar and wind are newer than Nuclear, so that argument goes right out the window.
And either way we're talking about such small sample sizes in the number of plants running that incidents aren't, individually, statistically significant.
There are currently around 450 (this source says 447, this one 449) civil power plants active, with 61 under construction. I wouldn't call that a small sample size.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On that metric, I'd agree - fatalities per watt isn't very relevant for solar or wind either.
450 sources is a small sample size when we're talking about causes of death for 7+ billion people
fatalities per watt isn't very relevant for solar or wind either.
Why not? It's the perfect metric to look at. Or don't you like it because it doesn't agree with your pre-existing views?
450 sources is a small sample size when we're talking about causes of death for 7+ billion people
Lol, what? You just moved the goal posts into orbit man.
We were never comparing nuclear with all causes of death, but with other energy sources. Why on earth would be compare the deaths due to nuclear to car accidents? Your argument is pathetic.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? It's the perfect metric to look at. Or don't you like it because it doesn't agree with your pre-existing views?
Because as far as I can see, most of the numbers are guesstimates with little true scientific value, and because the timescales are very different.
It reflects very badly on fossil fuels, very well on solar/wind, with Nuclear somewhere in between. That actually fits almost perfectly with my pre-existing views: I'm massively in favour of renewables.
Nuclear is un-necessary. We may have been lucky so far that our numerous accidents have never killed large numbers of people, but the fact is that it only takes one more incident to occur. Historical statistics don't change the possibility of a future event.
I'm not saying we shut down our nuclear or coal/gas plants immediately, but we should be building as much renewable energy production as we can, with a view to shutting both down.
It reflects very badly on fossil fuels, very well on solar/wind, with Nuclear somewhere in between. That actually fits almost perfectly with my pre-existing views: I'm massively in favour of renewables.
Are you kidding me? Nuclear has a lot less deaths/TWH than renewables, yet you think it comes out below? Even after the 'catastrophic' incidents anti-nuclear folk keep droning on about, it's still multiple times safer than renewables. And your followup argument is "but it could always be worse", which is pretty shit in my opinion. Yes, it could always be worse, but it isn't.
I'm not saying we shut down our nuclear or coal/gas plants immediately, but we should be building as much renewable energy production as we can, with a view to shutting both down.
It's funny, because most experts in the field agree that a minimum basis of nuclear is an absolute necessity, both economically and infrastructure wise. I'm also not arguing against renewables. I'm in favor of innovation, so renewables certainly have a place in the energy market. But pretending that they can somehow replace nuclear is asinine.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Nuclear needed?
I agree that Solar/Wind are relatively volatile, so we need some consistency: but tidal and wave power (which are both developing rapidly) don't have that concern. Nor does geothermal or hydroelectric. And that's before we look at increasing pumped hydroelectric capacity, as storage for the more fickle wind power.
The amount of radioactive waste is far less than the public imagines. Most of it isn't transported at all, it is stored on-site. And if a thing is radioactive for a long time, then it isn't very radioactive at all. That's how radiation works, particles are flying off of it. So if it's highly radioactive lots of particles are decaying and it decays into something stable quickly. If it is radioactive for a long time, then particles aren't decaying very much.
audigex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of radioactive waste is far less than the public imagines.
The trains go past my house often enough that I'm concerned by it.
Most of it isn't transported at all, it is stored on-site.
That depends on the site, and whether it is transported to different locations for reprocessing and storage
And if a thing is radioactive for a long time, then it isn't very radioactive at all. That's how radiation works, particles are flying off of it. So if it's highly radioactive lots of particles are decaying and it decays into something stable quickly. If it is radioactive for a long time, then particles aren't decaying very much.
That's a misrepresentation at best: radiation amounts and half life are related, but not even slightly in that kind of proportionate way you're suggesting: you're assuming that all the waste is of equal concentration, which is total nonsense.
For example, 10 years after removal from a reactor, the surface dose rate for a typical spent fuel assembly exceeds 10,000 rem/hour โ far greater than the fatal whole-body dose for humans of about 500 rem received all at once
Source. So even after 10 years, a typical rod's surface dose rate (eg you sit next to it for an hour) will kill you in an hour. But the half life isn't 10 years, that's just the "after 10 years" dosage. You're looking at waiting a full half life of the materials involved before you're down to "just" a 1-hour fatal dose.
U-233 has a half life of 159,000 years. Plutonium is 24,000 years. Cesium/strontium are 30 years.
So you're looking at somewhere between 30 and 159,000 years to get down from "fatal in half an hour" to "fatal in an hour"... and then several more of that half life period before you get to "You won't die, but good luck with the cancer and agony"
And even by your own logic, the highly radiactive (high level waste) substances are materials with "short" half lives (~50 years). So that means it's very very very very radioactive for 50 years, then very very radioactive for another 50, then very radioactive for another 50....
But as much as you try to abstract it, the waste from a nuclear power station is more than radioactive enough to be dangerous for at least hundreds of years. Strontium may "only" have a half life of 30 years, but it's still dangerous for over a century, depending on concentration. And while Plutonium-239 has a half life of 24,000 years, and does indeed give off less radiation per kg of equivalent refinement than, say Strontium, I sure as hell won't be making a bed out of it anytime soon.
Chernobyl created the largest wildlife preserve in Europe.
Did you know that hydroelectricity has resulted in massive amount of ecosystem damage. A dam collapsed in Argentina and the resulting release of iron deposits and sludge killed hundreds of whales in the sea. Yet you are ok with hydro.
https://xkcd.com/radiation/
Ecosystems being destroyed by man-made radiation is a bit of a overhype. There aren't really any. Solar panel production on the other hand produces load of silicon tetrafluride which poisons farmers lands.
100,000 years worth of uranium retrievable from sea water. Thats pretty much the same effect as renewable. The only reason we aren't getting our uranium from the sea water now is because the mining companies have set the price of ore as just below the price to get it from the sea.
Solar isn't viable everywhere. It isn't the only answer. New Zealand, Austria and Norway use hydro. France uses nuclear. Sweden uses a combination. The answer is dependent on where you are, but the answer is never fossil fuels
technon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By the time we get even close to running out, we'll have reached the point where we can mine it from asteroids, which will increase our supply by orders of magnitude.
cabarne4 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:00:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As the other comments mentioned, wind is quickly replacing coal. In the US alone, the wind energy sector will create over 300,000 new jobs in the next few years. That's way more than the current administration said they would "save" in the coal sector. Wind is cheaper to produce, cheaper to harness, and has zero negative effects (although a few ecological groups are doing studies on bird impacts, and wind turbines effects on bird migration patterns).
In Texas, wind energy is taking over the energy sector. Within the next 10-20 years, the state of Texas will be primarily run on renewable energy, and most of that will be wind.
Side note: this is also why the US pulling out of the Paris climate agreement won't effect US energy very much. We're already on track to easily pass the agreed CO2 limits, with zero government intervention. Power companies like profit, and will jump to whatever source is cheaper, to maximize their profit margins. Simple as that. The downside of the US pulling out -- under the agreement, the US promised to pay a lot of money into a fund to help poorer countries. Not to side with our current administration -- but as the deal was written, it really wasn't a good deal for the US. We would be paying a lot more than most other countries. China, for example, has a huge, booming economy, and could easily help support the fund -- but they're still considered a "developing country", so they weren't required to pay in, and could actually take money out of the fund. I do think we should rejoin, but I also think the targets should be much higher, and the funds should be bigger. As written, most countries will hit their targets without doing much of anything. It was basically a giant circle jerk, so they could congratulate themselves for doing nothing.
Wind and gas are replacing coal, and at the moment gas is taking the lion's share. Thankfully wind and gas work quite well together, you can adjust the gas output to balance the generation from the wind.
That's one thing that's great about natural gas: the plants can be turned on and off fairly easily, versus coal (which is difficult to start / stop) and nuclear (which is impossible to start / stop). One argument against renewable is power storage. The sun isn't always shining and the wind isn't always blowing -- so you need a way to store excess power generated, so that it can be used later, when demand is greater than supply. NG is a great way to "fill the gap". Alternatively, you could set up a field of batteries (like Tesla wants to do). Another popular mechanism is an artificial lake behind a dam. When there's extra power, run a pump that sends water uphill to the lake. When there's a power shortage (no sun or wind), run water downhill to generate power.
So basically, the argument against renewables is building infrastructure to store power for downtimes (batteries, lakes, whatever). The quick, easy answer is NG.
Sort of, but it doesn't really "stop" the process once it's begun. Think of a car's engine -- you can turn the car off, put it in the garage, and forget about it. In 6 months, you can come back and usually the car will start right back up.
Once the fission process has begun, there's no stopping it. They can put the rods closer together, increasing the reaction, and generating more power. They can pull them apart, slowing the reaction, for periods with low demand. But short of removing the fuel entirely and throwing it away, the plant will always be producing some power once it's turned on.
Natural gas plants work like your car's engine, though. It's very easy to essentially flip a switch and turn it on or off. Coal, on the other hand, requires boiler rooms to reach a certain temperature / pressure. If you turn them off, you have to build it back up to that temperature -- like pre-heating your oven. When turning it off, you have to wait for it to die down, like waiting for that same oven to cool. This lengthy start up and cool down procedure makes coal bad for "filling the gaps" of renewable plants.
That's also the problem though. You can make a dent in your carbon with renewables, but you're still burning lots of gas. The economics also get worse the more renewables you build, you end up having to pay for loads of gas plants to sit idle half the time. While gas has relatively low fixed overheads compared to say, nuclear (which is pretty much all fixed, fuel costs are minimal) it's not nothing, especially if the turbines have to be spinning (which they do if they need to respond quickly and to maintain AC frequency).
Unfortunately, we have nowhere near enough batteries or pumped storage are nowhere near enough to displace gas right now. We would need to build over a hundred new GW scale facilities in the UK alone, in the US probably several hundred. This would not be cheap or easy. Current battery installations are good for short term hourly storage, what you would get with solar in southern California or the med, but they don't work so well with wind, which may need a week or more in reserve to cope with a blocking high. Pumped storage is still better for long term energy storage.
Very good points. Personally, I think the future of energy is smaller grids. If power is made and used locally, instead of sent hundreds of miles over high voltage transmission lines, it would be easier to manage and maintain. The future should also rely on several forms of energy, instead of one type dominating the landscape.
For large parts of the US, wind and solar can replace a large portion of the grid. Gaps can be filled with natural gas, battery farms (Tesla is practically revolutionizing that front -- just see what they've been working on in Australia and on a few islands in the Pacific), and a few other storage technologies. In other areas, hydroelectricity, tidal, thermal and other technologies can help power our cities.
Ninja edit: point being, I don't think we should brush wind and solar off the table, because we'd need infrastructure improvements. Instead, I'd take that as justification that we need infrastructure improvements, and go from there. If the paint is worn on a road, and the road is badly worn out / broken, you don't say, "Well, the road is too rough to paint, so we're just going to ignore it -- People are still driving on it, right?" -- No. You say, "We can't repaint until we repave. So we'll work on repaving, which will leave us with nice, modern roads that let people drive faster, safer."
I would actually disagree with that. #1 priority of electricity supply is not cost or green credentials, it's reliability. You want to keep the lights on first and foremost. Large, heavily interconnected grids can be very reliable through redundancy and constant maintenance. Sure, when failures occur the impacts can be larger but failures tend to be extremely rare. With smaller grids, the impact would be more local but failures would be more common, and with more grids it would take longer to fix.
We also tend to see the electrical supply through our own consumption, in our homes (notice how we like to frame electricity generation as "powers X thousand homes"). While a microgrid may work well for a few residences, it might not be suitable for industry or infrastructure, and if you have to patch into the macrogrid for those, you may as well patch everyone in.
Very well put. I would argue that reliability is not effected by size, but by redundancy. Granted, larger grids tend to have more built-in redundancy. A small grid, built of quality components, with some failsafes and redundancies thrown in, can easily be more reliable than a large grid with failing infrastructure. There's too many factors at play to just determine by grid size.
Sure, if the larger grid is badly maintained. I think the quality components would be a sticking point though. It's easy to go for only the best materials, build quality and multiple redundancies when you only have to build a few. When you have to build hundreds, thousands or even more, you'll be looking to save money and look for cheaper solutions. Some equipment doesn't cost twice as much to build with twice the capacity, it's kind of like a bulk saving.
Btw, thanks for the compliments. It's nice to have a respectful debate on Reddit once in a while.
That's true. From what I've researched / know from my personal line of work, though, our whole infrastructure is a bail of hay, sitting next to an unsupervised campfire. The cost to fix everything is astronomical, but it's only a matter of time before we start having rolling black/brownouts as demand increases, and bottlenecks aren't fixed.
But, it'd be a lot more reasonable to work on renewables on a smaller scale. Incentivize solar at home, as well as electric cars with smart chargers (that can help grid-balance during off peak hours) and home battery packs that can help grid-balance. Working on grid-balancing and energy storage options at home can help take the stress off our current big-grid infrastructure. Larger battery operations near factories can help offset their larger energy requirements as well.
Imagine if newer houses, through solar panels, better insulation, and power storage solutions, could take care of 80-90% of their energy requirements. These homes would take a huge load off our current system, meaning we could take our time repairing the system correctly, instead of quickly.
I think solar at home is a good option for residential areas in sunny parts of the world, like southern California and the Mediterranean. These places will still be connected to the big grid, but it could help reduce demand. The benefits fall off for more polar regions because they will generate little for half the year, and the storage won't be adequate to last the winter months.
In the case of factories, battery packs may be a difficult sell. The damage a brown or blackout causes is far greater. A few hours blackout at home maybe no more than a very annoying inconvenience, for an industry it could result in tens of thousands or even millions in costs and lost revenue. They would almost certainly want a big grid connection, and the batteries may seem a pointless extra expense, they'll just draw any extra they need from the grid, or if they have a surplus they may be able to sell it back. It's pretty common for heavy industry to have their own onsite fossil power plant, and they will have personnel ready to fix it if things go wrong. Plus you have the sheer amount of energy some of these factories need, often more than a local renewable system could provide.
EDIT: Plus, especially with Li-ion, with bigger battery banks the risk of a major battery fire increases. Factories may be nervous about something that could explode and potentially injure or kill nearby workers.
Good points. I moved to a sunny area, from a not-so-sunny area, so I understand that solar isn't always an effective strategy.
Focusing on residential, go look up "net zero construction". Germany has been at the forefront of this field -- building homes that are so energy efficient, they need next to no electricity from the grid. Even in an area with limited solar power, building net zero, passive homes can revolutionize energy needs. The only reason we don't build this way already is cost -- a passive / net zero house can cost about 10-50% more than a similar sized, traditional home of a similar size. But the price difference would be more than made up in energy savings over the years.
As for factories, it varies based off several factors. My parents own a small factory that employs about 75 people. They have heavy machinery that runs off electricity -- If power goes out, they will be out of business temporarily. As a "back up", my parents recently bought a decommissioned military generator. It's hard wired into the plant, and runs off Diesel. It's tied to the same not-for-road-use (tax free) diesel tank they use for their forklifts. So, in the event of a power outage, they can generate their own electricity and keep business running. While their backup isn't exactly "green", their regular grid source could be green, and they'd only have to emit greenhouse gasses in the event of an outage. They are already considering massive solar installations to run the front office (AC, lights, computers, etc), massive fans in the factory, and even their giant business sign. They would pair the solar with a large battery installation, that could run the office for a day. If power goes out, they would only have to run the generator long enough to shut down the heavy machinery, and their front office could run off solar for a while with minimal usage.
Obviously, their example doesn't represent every factory, but companies could still do more to reduce current energy demand, and find small-scale ways to produce their own electricity in the event of an outage. Both of these would help contribute towards reducing stress on our current grid, allowing power companies to take their time replacing things with quality, green replacement options, instead of just jumping for "quick fixes" to get the power back up.
I've heard of the Passivhaus standard. They do have advantages, but other issues can include problems with moisture and ventilation in some climates, difficulty when in shade, and thicker walls meaning a larger footprint on small plots. And of course the cost.
I think many factories would do the same as your parents if the grid is increasingly seen as unreliable, or people turn to microgrids, then backup generators will become the norm, and they will go for the most cost effective option, which won't always be the greenest. The heavy machinery might draw more than you can realistically get out of a few rooftop solar panels, running the front of house stuff off solar seems like the best option, the fans and AC load will track with solar (though not exactly, there's typically a lag of an hour or so). If the factory plans on running a night shift things could get more complicated.
My example, my dad works (currently, he retires in two weeks!) at a sugar refinery. It's a pretty heavy industry all things considered, and there's an onsite coal power station that runs when the plant is active (only about half of the year, during the beet harvest, but then it runs 7 days a week 24/7, at least until something breaks!). The power plant is co-generation, it provides both electricity and steam (which is used in the refining process). Any excess power is exported to the village nearby. There are a couple of small wind turbines but they can only maybe just about run the offices when spinning, compared to the 13+ MWe the coal boiler provides it's pretty token. There is some utility scale solar nearby, but as we're in cloudy old England, it's pretty weedy and is pretty much useless in winter. Rooftop solar is fairly marginal here, and that's with subsidies.
Personally, I wouldn't count on factories too much, they won't all be like your parents. If you ask them to generate their own energy, they will go for the cheapest and most reliable, not necessarily the greenest, and they might just decide to quit paying for a grid connection and just run off that if reliability can't be guaranteed. As for saving energy, it depends on if it costs them more than what they would save on their energy bill (or it would be cheaper to move the factory to somewhere with lower energy prices).
Yeah, I hear you on those passive house downsides. Here in the US, space isn't such a premium, so a slightly larger footprint due to thicker exterior walls isn't so bad. Cost is definitely the driving factor keeping us in cheap housing. Developers buy large parcels of land, divide it into small lots and cram as many houses as they can onto the plot, as cheaply as possible. The builder has no incentive to build passive, as it would eat into their profit margins. The end owner, who benefits the most from passive building, has no voice in the construction.
My parents haven't installed solar yet, but solar across their roof could 100% run their front office during sunny days. Energy storage (batteries) could keep the office running for 1-3 days with no sun, depending on AC usage (they're in the southeastern US, so climate is hot and humid for half the year).
The generator is only used to run the big machinery in the event of an outage. They really only have 3 main machines that need to run for them to remain operational. 2 in a pinch. They manufacture metal roofs and buildings. Basically, they have rolled steel in various colors on some large shelves. You put the coil on a de-coiler, which unwraps it and feeds it into the roll former. The roll former bends and presses the sheet metal into certain profiles used for wall and roof panels. The red iron that creates the frame of the building is stocked outside, and welded by hand into trusses and such. Forklifts are needed to move the coils, the finished packs of panels, and the iron. Electricity is needed to run the de-coiler, the roll former, as well as a large machine to bend trim pieces by hand. They stock most generic trim and standard sized trusses and beams, so in a pinch, they would just need to run the de-coiler and the roll former. The ex-military generator is more than capable to run those two machines, but something like a small solar or wind operation would not be enough.
Again, they live in the US Southeast, so rolling blackouts are fairly common. The infrastructure is poor, so power outages during storms, or even brownouts during peak usage are very, very common. An area like theirs would benefit greatly from more passive house construction (most homes are pre-manufactured and then dropped on site, so walls are thin and insulation is non-existant), as well as grid improvements to provide small-scale backups (I.e. Small solar farms with battery backups to service individual areas during an outage).
Coming from England, I'm sure your grid is in much better shape than ours, and since areas are generally more built up, with less open land between developed areas, wide-scale grids are more effective. In the US, it's common for high voltage transmission lines to carry power hundreds of miles to its end destination. Not only is it inefficient, but it would make targeted grid attacks easier, and puts large areas at risk of outages caused by far away things (I.e. A storm in Nevada could cause a power outage in Los Angeles, hundreds of miles away).
More easily: we have another form of Flexibility: demand side management, crazy as it may sound, with a reasonable amount of digitalisation, we can, now, control demand to do a form of arbitrage (more correctly, demand shifting). It is already happening and working. I'd not be surprised if in 10 years all the AC and heat pumps will be able to work on the energy price signals.
That's true. Hell, I can buy a washer / dryer that waits until peak hours are over before it starts running the load of laundry. Even Teslas and Nissan Leafs can be set to not charge when plugged in, and instead wait for rates to go down.
But, demand is still demand. In hot climates, people will crank AC in the middle of the day. Lights come on at night. More efficient insulation, more economical air conditioning units, and more LED lights will lower the demand, but spikes will always exist.
If we find a good way to save electricity at home for later (like a house-battery), this peak usage could essentially be moved around. Imagine if, during peak usage at 2pm, your AC ran off the house battery, and then at 2am, the battery were to charge back up, while rates are low.
This gives me some hope. I'm not for big government, but that seems to be what everyone is cheering for. I'm glad the market made it available to protect the environment without too much government overreach.
Yeah, I'm a pretty strong libertarian. While I think a small security net is good, I think government should stay out of a lot of things. Yes, the EPA did a great job getting our air clean -- but today's society, there's enough societal and economic pressure to keep things clean. Wind and solar prices are starting to be lower than coal and gas, so power companies are more inclined to go to those sources.
Personally, when it comes to politics, I think the federal government needs to be trimmed way down, and power needs to be given back to States and local governments. That's a bit of an oversinplification, but this is a Reddit comment and not a thesis paper, and I'm high on pain killers in the hospital right now.
The market didn't make it that way, research did. The market did fuck all except keep us going down a deadend for way too fucking long. The market is the bad guy here, congratulating the market for what researchers did in the face of opposition market pressures is a real fucking insult.
Is this really what neoliberals tell themselves to help them sleep at night?
audigex ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:41:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody said it was cheaper... but there's a time you have to suck it up and accept that cheap comes with scale.
The price of offshore wind power has dropped something like 70% in under a decade. It might be expensive in the short term, but the price will quickly drop the harder we hit the rollout.
Solar is already cheaper per unit than fossil fuels. The reason it hasn't taken over yet is infrastructure. Solar obviously only produces during sunlight and we don't have a good way to store that energy for use at a later time.
We just don't have the technology to reliably store and utilize the energy at this time. Batteries need to improve a hell of a lot before solar/wind really are viable in most places as the energies are renewable, but quite unreliable.
Being able to store these massive quantities of evergy is literally one of the biggest challenges of engineering right now, and there are prizes/awards to be had for anyone who can solve it. So while I do support clean, renewable energy, we are still dependant on fossil fuels for the time being as they are the most reliable source we have available and they can be burned to meet needs without needed massive storage.
Build a giant battery that breaks water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burns it again to release energy. Fully enclosed, renewable during the day to break apart the water, and burn at night.
Coal literally is a thing of the past. Plants are closing faster than ever (mostly due to cheap natty gas) but wind is cost competitive in lots of places and solar+storage is cost competitive and becoming cheaper every day. Nuclear would be great... but the cost is too high for anyone to bite that bullet. Just last week another NPP was stopped mid-construction. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/construction-halted-south-carolina-nuclear-power-reactors-n788331
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except you have the old guard actively and viciously fighting against the new, cleaner energies. Power companies saying people using solar can't sell their excess energy back to the grid, an entire White House administration that sucks coal's dirty cock. Etc.
MazeRed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the whole sell solar energy back maybe legitimate, grid isn't built for that kind of power load, and it's up to the power companies (well local and state municipalities I guess) to decide if they want to buy it.
Karzdan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well. Nevada made it practically illegal to put solar panels on your house. ๐
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear is too expensive for the same reason Google Fiber is too expensive. Entrenched energy providers (including renewables) wield the government's regulatory power like a weapon to keep competitors out.
Natural gas is much cheaper and cleaner than coal and is nearly a byproduct of the oil industry and in many places is taking over for power production. Coal already is a thing of the past with many plants shutting down and to my knowledge no new ones being built. The coal industry at this point is tiny compared to others in the energy sector.
I think the statement, "If we had an option cheaper than coal/oil then it would boom and coal would be a thing of the past" puts undo faith in free markets. Honestly, if we had robust public expenditure we could solve this energy thing (in my opinion, whatever the least cost combo strategy which includes nuclear, wind, solar, biomass, hydro... makes the most sense to me). Fossil fuels get huge subsidies. We didn't build the railroads or the national highway system by letting the market decide. We did it using public funding combined with private business. EDIT: have you heard of Leigh Phillips?he's a socialist but he lays out what I'm saying pretty well.
You should check out France. Or even better, Norway. They don't really use fossil fuels. It's honestly already completely viable, not being renewable now is a choice.
Apart from all of the subsidies for fossil fuels still present, it doesn't actually have to be cheaper to be viable, since increasing numbers of people are willing to pay a bit more for cleaner power if that's the only step they need to take to make it happen. Not to mention that government incentives to get things going could make a huge difference.
Having said that, I also don't think we're there yet, there's still loads of limitations of the technology largely in capital resource consumption, but I do think we're orders of magnitude closer than our implementations imply, and if we increased our percentage of renewable power enough that would buy enough time to sort out the remaining details.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we had an option cheaper than coal/oil then it would boom and coal would be a thing of the past.
Nuclear, wind, and solar. All can produce all the power we need, and much much more.
Why is coal and oil still a thing? Greed. Apparently it is really really hard to get a monolithic industry that has capitalized a whole industry to actually change.
And since we cant get coal and oil out of the way, the cost of the alternatives remains high.
Well that's one reason. But we don't have the technology to store these massive ammounts of energy needed reliably. It just isn't to that point yet. We're making great strides, but battery technology needs to improve greatly before solar/wind energy can be reliably delivered on these massive scales and during times of no power production.
Fossil fuels aren't going to go away completely any time soon. Even if we switched to completely renewable, many, many places would rely on fossil fuels at night or during long periods without production because we just can't store the energy reliably yet.
And I guarantee you the first people to invest in solar/wind will be the big oil companies so they can hold onto a changing market and profit off of the best energy source at the time. It just isn't viable to switch 100% yet. But I do support a transition and I am fully behind research efforts into more reliable, renewable energy.
These companies are greedy, and so they'll switch when the market demands a switch. It just needs to make economic sense for them first, so batteries need to improve considerably and get cheaper.
Even if we switched to completely renewable, many, many places would rely on fossil fuels at night or during long periods without production because we just can't store the energy reliably yet.
That is why we need better power distribution so that those remote places that, for whatever reason, cant use solar or wind, can still get power.
And you are forgetting about nuclear reactors. Small scale is completely practical for such environments.
And I guarantee you the first people to invest in solar/wind will be the big oil companies so they can hold onto a changing market and profit off of the best energy source at the time. It just isn't viable to switch 100% yet.
We are in the process of switching... And Oil companies are trying to stop the industry from switching...
I'm on mobile so I can't format well, but I'll address some of your points:
I'm aware we produce as needed currently, but we can't really do that with renewable (apart from nuclear, which I didn't mention above because of the challenges with zoning, approving, lobbying, etc. though I do personally like the option.) So it becomes NECESSARY to store energy. That's a big issue with these sources; they're just not reliable without a way to store the energy.
Better distribution won't fix the issue of storage entirely because no matter what, we have to store this evergy for the "down times." So until that time, we will be relying on fossil fuels "hopefully" in tandem with renewables.
I'll admit I'm not completely on the up and up with the political side of these energy issues. But I would hope these energy companies are smart enough to see the benefit of investing in renewable. And if not, they'll be obsoleted as soon as we can feasibly utilize renewable energy.
Again, I support renewables wholeheartedly, but being on the engineering side of this, it just isn't completely feasible yet. It's literally one of the biggest issues in engineering with huge award money on the line. Hopefully in 10 years, but right now, we should be focusing on better efficiency and distribution of power/infrastructure so we're ready for the switch when these technologies catch up to our needs.
I am all on board for nuclear, but it's so hard to get a plant up and running even IF there is support from the community. There's so much red tape, and sadly the accidents have scared many people away even if it would create many more jobs. So I really hope we can get past this bias, but I don't see it happening for a while.
Thanks for not blind down-voting my comment by the way! That's a refreshing thing to see on Reddit.
Better distribution won't fix the issue of storage entirely because no matter what, we have to store this evergy. So until that time, we will be relying on fossil fuels.
Nuclear plants work in principal the same as fossil. Boil water to spin a turbine. So nuclear makes this point moot.
Distribution also means we can have larger nuclear plants in one area to produce power for larger areas.
it just isn't completely feasible yet.
Maybe not for national grids, but smaller local grids, it is perfectly viable. But alas, power companies discourage this every chance they get.
Also, it is probably a good idea to be making the shift now rather than waiting till it is feasible for a 100% switch.
but it's so hard to get a plant up and running even IF there is support from the community.
Envirnmentalists have really fucked up the politics for it. "Nuclear waste is bad! But we don't want it moved to the safest place on earth for it. But keeping it on site is bad too! What are you doing?!"
Stupid tree-huggers.
Thanks for not blind down-voting my comment by the way! That's a refreshing thing to see on Reddit.
I rarely downvote people. Only the special kinds of stupid people.
We're on the same page here. I support nuclear, and wish we could just create the jobs by building more plants.
But sadly it lowers local housing prices because of the stigma as nobody wants to move there anymore, but it's such a good option and requires relatively little change from fossil fuels. Because of this and lobbying, the pants get voted down a lot.
Let's just hope the field of engineering can step up their game in the next 15 years. We've come a long way from 2002, so I know we can do it.
Ummm. We have nuclear energy, solar energy, wind energy, hydroelectric power. It is booming. Know why coal and natural gas boomed? Billions upon billions of subsidies just like the oil industry has had for decades. R&D is everything.
Big Business keeps the renewable sources businesses held back. There are countries that have mega solar panels in certain areas that power entire towns. BB has more money and therefore are able to lobby more for their interests. The same can be said of Big Pharmaceutical companies that keep the cost of medicines so high. As the saying goes :"The Golden Rule means that those with the gold make the rules".
jb4427 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are countries that have mega solar panels in certain areas that power entire towns.
Yeah, the United States. Georgetown, Texas is 100% run on renewables (mostly wind, but still)...and it's the reddest town in Texas. I'm actually about to switch to 100% renewables for my electricity because I'm moving to a municipality with deregulated utilities, also in Texas.
It will not be long before the entire US is run on clean energy.
I remember posting in a similar thread and gave a source but I'm on mobile right now. It was saying Texas is within the top 10 states for solar too and will soon be in the top 5 even with our energy being so cheap here. If energy ever got expensive again green energy would be even huger.
I'm for removing the subsidies and letting the market decide. Once you give the gov the power to single handedly destroy a company interests will get involved.
Except the reason why Big Pharma keeps prices so high is because it costs a bare minimum of $5 billion to research a new drug- not counting distribution operations, or the literal 100's of failed compounds that came previous to that one. They have to recoup their money somewhere, and the vast majority of their profits go back into developing new drugs.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar is cheaper than coal and competitive with oil.
Which makes no sense. You don't meter production you meter consumption. Even with home solar it is metered as part of the grid and in cases where production outpaces consumption your meter actually roles backwards. However, with many home systems (not counting off the grid) you pump power in during the day when the sun is out and pull power from the grid at night when it isn't and so you end up relatively neutral on your bill with the average consumption at or near zero.
For off the grid stuff, the production and eventual disposal of batteries also produces quite a bit of hazardous waste and the ecological effects of that shouldn't be ignored when comparing the different power options.
kjvlv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense. If the power company can not charge you they will fight it. Was a big issue here in Nevada with Net metering. What my dad was saying is the technology was there but the power companies did not know how to charge you for the sun and did not want it.
power companies did not know how to charge you for the sun and did not want it.
That's just it... If you are drawing power from the grid, and if you are getting it from a power company you are, then metering it works the same. The meter doesn't know the difference between solar generated power versus the blackest of coal. Charging the end user works the same.
The only scenario where your dad's saying makes sense is off-grid home production but it's not the power companies that produce those panels, it's competing independent companies who have a financial interest in producing the most efficient panel possible for the lowest cost as the lack of efficiency and high initial investment is the thing that scares off a lot of prospective buyers.
That's kind of the thing though. Solar is energy that nearly cuts out the energy industry. You can have a personal home generator that runs on coal or oil or gas, but you'd still have to buy the fuel regularly from a fossil fuel company, because it's not plausible to drill / mine / refine it all on your own, from your own property.
With solar power, though there are some challenges remaining in terms of reliability, efficiency, etc, it's plausible at least in principle to have a manageable upfront cost and then pay nothing again for years because the power source doesn't need to be refilled within your lifetime -- it just shows up naturally every day, and a panel that fits on your roof converts it to electricity for you cleanly and silently. You might eventually need repairs or replacements, but not that often.
A power company COULD build a solar plant, but we wouldn't have to rely on them to do it like we do with nuclear energy and fossil fuels.
Look up Thorium Nuclear Fluoride reactors. 70 times more efficient than Uranium power, over 100 times more than gasoline. No Nuclear waste and it's more ubiquitous than lead.
Plastic also leaves massive amounts of waste but you don't see us stopping companies and countries from using it.
Thorium is the most energy efficient system for generating electrical power in history. The faster we get to using it the sooner we can reduce the global costs of global warming, poverty and inequality.
Long-term (a century or two out), space-based solar collectors are probably going to be more effective than even fusion. But if we ever manage the engineering, fusion will be an excellent stop-gap for a good few decades.
It's honestly baffling to me that you think solar panels, even when put in ideal conditions such as space, could ever compete with the potential of fusion power. Let alone the fact the solar panels have to be thousands of km away from where you want the power.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you get the power down to Earth? Giant cables attached to space tethers? I've read that there's no way that beaming the power down via microwaves would be efficient.
The biggest deterrent is that the general public is clueless as to how it works. So paranoia takes over in the decision making process.
The US Navy has had people living and working months at a time within less than 30 meters of 10MW reactors, with no ill effects or a single major incident.
Fun fact: The current radiation within half a mile around Fukushima is less than the radiation experienced on a commercial plane at cruising altitude.
amolad ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fission is the devil.
Clean ways of producing nuclear fission can be obtainable until everything goes solar.
Yep, fission is really bad, until you compare it to anything else.
amolad ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:52:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's worse than anything you can name. It's polluting the planet in ways we can't even measure properly yet.
Every nuclear fission plant leaks. The more it builds over time, the sicker people get as they get older, i.e. Alzheimer's and other brain problems (ADD, ADHD, etc.).
Nuclear plants are not suppossed to leak at all.
There are no accumulation of anything in the atmosphere or nature unless you count fuckups by human error or shitty location (Chernobyl and Fukushima respectively).
What the fuck does dark matter go to do with nuclear?
Again, we fully understand everything about it. There are no uncertainty.
Widely accepted theories and models describe and explain everything about it.
amolad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widely accepted theories and models describe and explain everything about it.
So, we know ALL there is to know about science in the universe? When did that happen?
Because there is actually a connection. Not direct, but a connection.
It's on the accuser to prove their theory. Although calling what you have a theory is granting undue credence to your ramblings. You're talking about how terrible fission is with zero evidence. All you have to back up your claim is a belief that some future science will prove your point.
You have no evidence. No hypothesis. No proposal to test your supposition.
Your grasp of science seems to be on par with your grasp of fission.
Passive safety systems. Fukushima plant was older than the Chernobyl power plant. Nowadays nuclear power plants can shut down without any humans pressing any buttons. Fukushima required a computer powered by electricity provided by diesel generators to shut it down which got flooded. Modern day ones use compressed air.
It may surprise you, but only about 20 people will die from Fukushima due to the higher background radiation level in the sea. Compared to the tens of thousands who died in the tsunami. Compared to the millions who will die if we don't replace coal with nuclear especially in developing countries like China.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just passing through these comments here, but had to stop to clear up your last question there. China does have the highest population in the world, but it is indeed a developing country. Those two facts aren't really dependent on each other. Although there is disagreement in the international community about the criteria and designations, the IMF and other organizations use life expectancy, infant mortality rate, literacy, etc. to determine how developed a country is. By most metrics China is a developing country well on its way to matching "developed" countries like Germany or the U.S.
NAFI_S ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then the world will be clean enough that a little CO2 emission for motorsport or hobbies will be considered socially acceptable. You might pay a bit of a premium on your fuel for some carbon offset or something, but you won't care too much because it's a hobby and you get to drive a badass car.
You'll then spend the rest of the week driving your Tesla to work, and feel great about the fact you get to save the world for your grandkids but still blast around for entertainment occasionally
That's the achievement I'm waiting on, though if we're breaking it down a bit more the greatest value would be from globally abandoning coal power (I'm also looking at you, India).
Misaiato ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason we didn't pursue this tech is because Nixon wanted to build weapons and there is no waste from these reactors with which to make said weapons.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:21:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we anywhere close to nuclear fusion though? Just curiosity
Sudac ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:51:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been only 20 years away for the past 6 decades.
Jokes aside, progress is actually being made. You may have heard a while back that they finally succeeded in getting more energy out of the reaction than they put in. However, this was only the reaction, and they still had a net energy loss.
Still, it's progress, and some scientists believe that we're now capable of making a sustainable reactor if we scale it up enough.
And this is where the problem begins. A reactor of this scale is costly. We're talking billions and billions of dollars. So it's very possible that if Trump decided to redirect the entire military budget of the US to researching fusion, we'd have a working reactor before 2020.
This'll never happen though, so funding for fusion remains sparse.
They are currently building the ITER facility though, in southern france. This is set to become by far the largest test fusion reactor ever built, and is currently our best chance at getting a sustainable reaction. I believe the plan was to start small scale tests in 2022, ramping up to going all out in 2035.
Tl;dr: Nobody really knows how close we are to fusion. Best case scenario is probably 2035-2040. Worst case is never.
You may have heard a while back that they finally succeeded in getting more energy out of the reaction than they put in. However, this was only the reaction, and they still had a net energy loss.
More precisely :
Moses also says the energy yield (carried by the neutrons and estimated at 14 kilojoules) was more than the x-ray energy absorbed to implode the capsule, a milestone he refers to as "scientific breakeven."
Honestly, that experiment was seriously overhyped. Numerically speaking, the real gain was 0.0077 (breakeven at 1). For comparison's sake the JET facility build in 1984 (but upgraded continuously) is at 0.67, the current world record. Iter is going to 10.
In my opinion, the reporting of the NIF results was deliberatly misleading to hide the fact that National Ignition program was failing badly (and has since been cancelled to make way for nuclear weapon tests).
100,000 years worth of uranium retrievable from sea water. Thats pretty much the same effect as renewable. The only reason we aren't getting our uranium from the sea water now is because the mining companies have set the price of ore as just below the price to get it from the sea.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mining companies aren't setting the price, the free market is.
The point my argument is making is more about that there is loads of uranium found naturally in sea water, so there for nuclear is in fact a long term (100,000 years) option.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:44 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sun is also nuclear fusion. There is no such thing as a truly renewable fuel source. Some day all mass energy in the universe will run out. The sun's energy is not infinite.
I've been thinking about that one. There are so many things I can imagine will change for the better once energy is free and clean. We will finally stop feeling bad about using energy and my favorite idea is that this could lead to the creation of new complex networks, maybe even a new kind of internet which will not be federated by greedy bastards because every single device which uses it would also actively participate in it, and it wouldn't matter that it costs more energy than before because it would be free and even wireless devices would most likely have much better batteries which we could charge virtually anywhere anyway. Call me crazy, but in a way this is my reply to OP because I really wish I can see that in my lifetime.
Has existed for years. Is blocked by government contracts and big oil.
Not even conspiracy theory, it's a fact widely known in the scientific community.
Some smaller countries, with less shitty governments that don't worship the dollar more than any religion ever has their God, have already begun implementing it and are actually making enough to export energy. Like Denmark.
We just need to get better at fusion power then :)
YoungGP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard somewhere that there might be infinite, renewable energy that already exists, but information about it is private because it could destroy the economy and possibly be abused
We are honestly not too far from achieving this, we just need more of the super wealthy people, corporations and governments to TRY (and to take a risk with their money) to achieve this.
Fuck it really pisses me off how difficult it can be for researchers to get funding in these areas.
I install and maintain renewable energies. It's already cheap, clean and can meet all our needs. It's the political willpower that's lacking.
Xenjael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working on it in my own small way dude! Trying to invent an atmospheric water generator than can produce a significant volume of water even in bad conditions, without an outside source of energy.
I figure itll take another 20 years. I don't think the material it will need has yet to be invented. So I gotta find that first to make it shine!
this should have been the first comment but people are ignorant stupid fucks who think going to mars is more important than not dying to sea level rise
That + advanced storage capabilities would change just about all aspects of our lives no matter where we lived. Storage right now is probably our biggest issue with energy.
Lightning has an average of 10 billion watts of energy in each bolt. If we could easily capture and store that locally we could help a lot of people with their energy needs. Right now the tech is a bit crappy, complicated, and expensive (even the hydrogen generators).
There is a brilliant technology that can profide this. A liquid fluoride thorium reactor The technology research got halted about 50 years ago, but now luckily there is progress again all over the world. India is building one already.
There is enough thorium to power us almost for ever and it is also on the moon and mars! The reactor would be a very efficient power generator with barely any waste.
BradJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cue in Elon Musk
GregRed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My province in Canada functions entirely on hydro and wind electricity. I don't get why we even mention nuclear when we have the technology for clean energy like wind, hydro and solar.
Solar has a lot of potential, wind has some. Nuclear is pretty necessary for baseline generation though, since we can't build enough storage to go without.
I heard an interesting idea about making renewables work during peak hours: if enough people have electric vehicles they could work as batteries. Charge up overnight during off-peak hours, and then in the evening you could draw power (what remains after your travel of the day) from the vehicle.
It already exists, we just haven't caught up socially and politically.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda wish people would start looking to nuclear energy a lot more. Besides accidents like Chyernobyl and Fukushima, Nuclear energy is otherwise safe and quite clean.
Probably not when you include space heating, process heating, and transportation. We still primarily incinerate things to provide heat and transport large amounts of anything.
man2112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we already have nuclear, which is head and shoulders above every other energy source currently.... But too many people falsely think "nuclear bomb" when they hear about nuclear power plants.
I literally just had a family member ask about scars on my arms during a big family meal. I don't think there's any appropriate way to respond to that truthfully without making everyone uncomfortable. No one wants to hear that you harmed yourself.
What are you supposed to say?
Even if you were to answer truthfully, what are they supposed to say? Is there anything they could say that wouldn't be extremely awkward?
"I went through a very dark time a while back, but I'm doing a lot better now with proper medical care. I'm really lucky to have had that opportunity to help pull myself out, and while it's always a struggle like so many other lifelong diseases, I have it nicely under control. Speaking of, how's your Crohn's Disease, Aunt Evelyn?"
If it's current:
"Fighting a pretty wicked disease, but my doctor and I are getting it figured out. Thank you for your concern."
That's my thinking, anyway. Responding in as vague of terms and making it clear you're working on it (or did work on it) with your doctor, the same as you would respond to another chronic disease, is probably the best route.
I don't understand why people feel so compelled to ask?! You see the scars on my arms. I can't get rid of them. Unless your a complete moron, you know exactly what they are. So if you wanna have a conversation about mental health, great. But don't bring up something that's clearly extremely awkward and personal under the guise of pretending you don't know what it's from. So awkward every time.
Yeah, but it's better to just not ask about it, unless they bring it up. I don't have any self harm scars, but people have asked me about the dent in my leg (from a skateboarding accident) and all I could think about was that the person who asked me about it knew nothing. It could have been from a tramautic car crash that I didn't want to talk about, or my ex-boyfriend could have beaten me to the point where he caused nerve damage in my leg. You never know. Good thing for me, I'm fine talking about taking a wrong turn on a skateboard, but someone with scars or anything of the like may have a different story that they don't want to talk about --regardless of mental health.
Curiosity is normal, but to voice it when it might make someone else uncomfortable or self-conscious is rude. Just gotta be sensitive to others' feelings before you ask/say something about their appearance, y'know?
Stop being a tactless fool and think about others before you open your mouth. For fuck's sake. The person you were talking to was being too polite. This insistence on being able to satisfy "curiosity" with no regard to the cost others must pay is immature, selfish, disgusting and -- more than anything else -- annoying.
Because it has no significant cost on others. No sane person will be significantly effected by a question, you could ask someone how their mother died and it wouldn't have a significant effect on them. And, speaking of immature what about how, I "must pay". And, finally like I said everything everyone says could strike a nerve.(clearly it seems I have done that to you, and for that I apologize but I won't refuse to speak because of it.) I'd rather have everyone have hurt feelings than have everyone unable to speak.
Yeah when they are lined up perfectly on one side of your arm ten in a row or more it's quite obvious. If it was easy to lie and say I had gotten into a badass throw down with a bear, wouldn't be so awkward would it?
That's shit! When is it EVER appropriate to ask someone about a scar? Especially at the dinner table! Same thing has happened to me with my family, or even complete strangers. "How do you think I got these parallel scars on my non dominant arm?" It honestly feels like they're trying to embarrass you though. I wish I could say I've answered that question confidently. I usually just change the subject :/ sorry that happened to you. I understand how humiliating that can be.
I think a lot of the time people are just innocently unaware. A friend of mine once jumped in with the excuse I'd fallen off my bike with him and ever since that's been my go to story. I don't care how much people believe it so long as they change the subject.
Good point. I suppose I'm being a bit pessimistic. I still maintain that it's impolite to question people about scars. That was smart of your friend though. I may use it in the future.
It is impolite a lot of the time but this was my aunt who knows me well and was just expressing genuine concern which I think isn't as bad as virtual strangers who bring it up.
Yeah he is a good friend, we'd recently been mountain biking together and he figured that was a good cover. This was one of those instances with a total stranger and her response was so bad. "Oh I thought you were like emo like ahhh I hate myself" whilst making cutting motions. It didn't bother me but THAT is rude.
I think it's possible to get rid of the stigma of treatment while still having a stigma or fear of the actual condition itself. For example there are people who are afraid or uncomfortable around people with serve autism but they have no negative views of the diagnosis process. In fact I think many see the diagnosis process for things like that as positive because then they have an answer and can seek help and resources easier.
I think for some there is a stigma attached to treatment still that is not necessarily related to views of mental illness. Many people say things like "Therapy just doesn't work for me"or flat out misunderstand what we use inpatient and outpatient treatment programs for.
We can fix those views first I like to think, even if we still carry a stigma against those who are noticeably mentally ill.
People are afraid of people with mental health issues.
Yep. Also, many people live with this idea that death can't touch them, or that dying is the absolute worst possible thing. Those people can't even begin to understand a person who has to daily make a choice to live, or a person who's contemplated suicide.
It's possible. Think of the stigma that issued to be attached to talking to kids about sex. It's still there for a lot of people, but also it has also decreased dramatically. Society takes about a generation to change. I think the young ones now will be better about this stigma.
Seems I misspoke a bit, I asked my dad, who is a blood cancer doc. The cancer stigma was mostly pre 1950s, and mostly had to do with the fact that cancer was essentially a death sentence. Doctors didn't want to burden their patients with the diagnosis, so they would use euphemisms like "growths", to beat around the bush. Family members would try and hide the news from the afflicted person, because it was hard to accept the news. For example, it might be obvious that Grandma has breast cancer, but nobody would say a thing to her about it. Cancer was so deadly back then because just about the only treatment was surgery, and that wasn't very effective once the cancer metastasized.
The other element to the stigma was that a lot of the cancers back then were self-inflicted via smoking or asbestos, or poor working conditions. It was often difficult for people to accept this.
After WWII, according to my dad, there was a 'golden age' of cancer medicine, when radiation and chemo treatments began to emerge, and the life expectancy of patients slowly began to rise. Only then did the stigma of cancer really begin to go away.
Enough to diagnose as an actual disease or disorder? Yeah, 25%. People who are messed up mentally in some way and would hugely benefit from seeing a therapist? Damn near 100%. And that's how you remove stigma - openly acknowledging that almost everyone has mental issues that seeing a professional would help, instead of the hard line you are referring to, which is diagnosed disorders.
I see what you're saying and you're absolutely right that most people would likely benefit from talking to a therapist, but there's a danger in saying everyone has mental health issues in that you minimize their gravity. That's when people say, "Oh we all get depressed sometimes, get over it", as if people with clinical depression are simply weaker than they are and not suffering from a disease.
It's a slippery slope on both sides, I suppose. I think a lot of the pain and suffering in the world come from people not dealing with these kinds of mental health issues, and I also think that people telling depressed people to get over it are fools. But there's a balance were we can acknowledge that everyone is messed up, but some of us much more than others. Not sure what the way to express that, but for the moment I will keep saying mental health issues until I find a better alternative.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I agree (speaking as someone with 3 mental illness diagnoses).
I think that would be a great way to remove the stigma around seeing a therapist, but I don't think it would help remove the stigma from those of us who need medication and significant behavioral therapies just to function and leave the house. I could see someone trivializing mental health (like they already do) by saying, "just go see a therapist, it's not hard". When you may already be going to frequent appointments with your psychologist and on several medications. I say this, because it's happened to me from people who have received counseling for non-mental illness problems. Sometimes they THINK they understand because they have seen a psychologist, but have no actual mental illness that needed to be addressed. I think the best way to remove the stigma is for those of us who suffer from mental illness to be open and vocal about it to anyone who will listen. Once a person can put a face to an issue, it often helps the social view of that issue.
Agree to disagree, I suppose. The reason people trivialize mental illness right now is because it is 'invisible' and we don't talk about it freely, so people are uninformed and say stupid shit. Either way, people saying stupid shit isn't really that big of a deal - they do that all the time about all subjects, and the fact that some stupid people may continue to say stupid stuff isn't a great reason to avoid a path to more open discussions about a subject that doesn't get talked about enough.
We're talking about a society wide change rather than fixing stupid people, and removing the stigma from mental health by acknowledging it and talking about it as a prevalent issue can really only help to bring more understanding. So I guess we're on a similar path here - talking about things openly gets rid of stigma - I just think there's an important path we need to take, and that is that everyone has some form of mental health issues, and we need to start dealing with those a lot more.
I mean, it's a staple of comedy. If you say 'do a funny face' or a funny voice, you are imitating someone with some kind of disability. Any time you call someone crazy, blind, deaf, dumb, whatever. The best thing we can do is try to prevent people from having these issues in the first place.
It definitely depends on the situation. Studies show that people suffering from mental illness or no more violent than the average person and are often more likely the victim of a violent crime.
I have bipolar disorder and depending on the person and our relationship, I'll be happy to have a real conversation about how my mood affects me and the things I need to do in order to keep myself on track.
I'm not embarrassed or ashamed or anything. In fact, I'm really proud of myself for everything I've been able to accomplish in losing 100 pounds, going back to college, getting a great career, and living on my own for a year now.
I have however, experienced discrimination, or at least I think so as far as previous jobs. They would never admit it, but just comparing my attitude, attendence, work ethic, etc. I feel that a decision was made partly bc of my mental illness which has made me more concerned about opening up to people at my job now.
I would love to end these stigmas but people are close minded and hear the words and freak out. Idk. Hopefully things can change sooner than later
Depends on what they do with that fear. A lot of times, people will try to throw it under the rug by saying, "They don't have a mental health issue! They're just weak!"
Most definitely not. Unless we start to get on some sort of deep philosophical/psychological level that refuses to acknowledge that we as a society have norms.
Since we as a society do have norms, we grow to have certain expectations. When someone breaks those expectations we may feel uncomfortable or even fearful of them. But it's possibly that we are perfectly and acceptably within those norms ourselves while having these fearful feelings of others.
In other words we can be perfectly healthy people and be afraid of those who are different from us, including the mentally ill.
Is that a postie or good mindset to have? No not really. But it appears to be natural on some level. Our realities are based in our experiences and so it's natural to be a little shaken by things that don't fit into that reality in the way we expect.
Some celebrities are doing a great job of this. Maria Bamford is one, and her stories are part of the reason I finally went to get help.
It's just sad that we had to lose so many great people to things that could be treatable.
As soon as people start seeing mental health exactly the same as physical health, the stigma will start to go away. Taking wellbutrin should be treated like taking a tylenol.
I hope more research can be done about the brain and its diseases/disorders so that we can better treat or even possibly cure those with these awful conditions (schizophrenia, alzheimer's, etc) so they can live as close to a normal life as possible. The brain is such an important organ that dictates, personality, thoughts, and only ALL the other organs in the body including lungs and heart.
I took a neurology class focused around education and if I walked away realizing that if we're going to have any big breakthroughs in the next 10-50 years, it's going to be in brain medicine and science. We only recently have the tools to study the brains of living people. And they are only going to continue to get more accurate, effective, and cheaper.
Add in there the growth in computer science towards thing like neural networks and machine learning, and we can start to model and understand the brain from a different perspective. This will only aid in growing our understanding because we can study something similar to our brains and use it as comparison.
Throw in all the other fields that are fascinated with the brain like philosophy, psychology, sociology, and education who all want to take that abstract brain research and start to apply it or use it as a framework for applications and further research, and you get this big group of people all working crazy hard to study the brain from all sorts of different angles.
I think it's very possible in our lifetimes (for like people 40-50 and younger) to see huge advances in neuroscience.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:22 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a non academic aspect, popular science media is your best bet. These are going to take that semi recent discoveries, decide what is important, notable, and exciting, and make it digestible for someone outside of the field. You can do this online through things like /r/science where users aggregate it and make it understandbale or you can go to things like Popular Science or Science. Just keep in mind that this opens it up to bias or misunderstanding on occasion. The more reputable the reporting sources and the closer it is to the original publication, the less likely your getting misinformation.
From an academic aspect I'm still figuring that out myself since I just started graduate school. It seems to be that you figure out from your colleges and peers what you need to be paying attention to journal, book, and publishing wise. And then you watch that, looking through what they have and deciding yourself what you think is relevant to your field and interests.
I just scream-cried all the way from work to my physical therapist because despite expensive medicine every day, 90 minutes of exercise every day, talk therapy, ketamine infusions, healthy diet, plenty of (medicated) sleep, and a spouse who loves the hell out of me, I still feel miserable every day. Just not quite as suicidal as I used to be.
My brain is a disgusting chunk of malfunctioning meat :(
I would love to see people not romanticizing mental health issues like it's the fucking cool new thing to have. Mental health issues can be fucking horrific.
Rather a change to the core functionality of our society that's the cause of much of our modern problems in life. With the resources we have, we can truly enjoy being alive instead of stomping on others the way large parts of society currently does.
Man this one is my favorites. Before we can take care of the world, or travel to other places we have to take care of our people. Maybe the answers or solutions to space travel, nuclear power, oceanography or medical breakthroughs are trapped inside someone's mind who just needs a little help.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:33:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mental health services in the uk are pretty terrible too. I was given an assessment by them, diagnosed and then never heard from them again. All they did was pass my info onto some useless charities and send me back to the gp for more drugs.
Upvoted because it's true (not because I approve) that's what happened to me too. For 20 odd years. I'm sorry it's happened to you, it's not good enough. I hope you have a trusted family member or friend to talk to. If not, you can always pm me. I can't help, but I can listen.
Canada, actually. It's not so bad here, although hard to get full/reasonable coverage for certain medications after the age of 21 (without full time work). I just wish it was an issue that was taken seriously across the globe, I suppose.
ignorado ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the US. Each psych visit costs $300. I was diagnosed with bipolar and voluntarily hospitalized for 2 days after a failed hanging last summer. They billed me $2,000. I was then involuntarily hospitalized for 5 days last October for depression/a drowning attempt and billed $5,000. I started treatment for my bulimia and found myself $1,500 in debt by the second week. They charged me $750 for blood work to check my B12 levels.
Health care costs are so meaningless in the US they don't give you an itemized bill because in the end nobody is paying the made up price of services and supplies. Oh, and my university health insurance doesn't cover mental health. I wonder how many other people in the nation are not insured for mental...
Oh, they give me the itemized bill. A syringe of saline solution for my contacts costed me $200 during an inpatient stay. And they said they'd vaccinate me for the flu for free but they charged $50 for the vaccination, and $150 for the nurse to "administrate" it. People think I'm lying/over exaggerating about this shit but I have the fucking bills???? Like bitch, this is America's healthcare system
People who think that have never been to the hospital. The official cost for my visit to the hospital where I got a surgery for a tibial fracture is so far higher than $100,000.
It's fucking ridiculous. Even including a short helicopter ride to the nearest hospital.
I've asked a friend from Europe. He tells me at most he would pay his deductible and 10 % copay up to $700. I have 20 % up to $7,000 (or $18,000 out of network). Go figure.
My girlfriend from abroad made a mistake she won't forget, which was to get travel insurance. A 4 hour visit to the E.R. (no ambulance ride) costed her $6,000 which was later reduced to $3,500-ish after trying to talk to the hospital. She is paying, fearing being detained at the airport whenever she comes back.
The US health care system is broken. We don't need better insurance. We need lower costs.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's crazy. My psychology appointments are $100 out of pocket, $25 after insurance. Is your $300 cost for a psychiatrist?
I think it is true of a lot of countries, not even just the US and the UK. You have to include all the countries that refuse to even recognize mental illness as an illness (and not just something "broken" that makes you a lower class person) or something that is treatable. You also gotta acknowledge all the countries that might have great mental health services but no one is using them because of fear and stigmas. I believe this is the case in countries like South Korea but don't quote me on that.
I use reddit as my therapist. I gave up trying to find one (and I have good insurance).
Just write down your thoughts and post anonymously. Helps to get it out and you're actually "saying it to someone" because people actually respond. Once in a while someone actually says something useful.
I don't know if they do or not but even if they did, there's a shortage of beds for psychiatric care.
"The current shortage of psychiatric beds in the US is a major problem. Emergency departments (EDs) are crowded with acutely psychotic patientsโsome who wait for beds for up to a month. The pressure on existing beds is so intense that patients are discharged prematurely and often have to be readmitted or end up homeless or incarcerated. Nevertheless, many states continue to decrease the number of state hospital beds."
Considering the amount of human beings on the planet anod the amount who need therapy is the same number to accomplish this we would need to develop artificial intelligence that could act as a therapist and be able to be installed on universally every operating system
This needs so many more up votes than it has, I've struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts for years. I finally told the person that hurt me and worsened my depression about how every day was a struggle. He ripped up the note in front of me and burst into tears and hugged me, his mom came in, read some of the pieces and told my mom that I needed therapy (but not why I did (she didn't tell me mom about the note) which I'm so appreciative of) I've been going to therapy for over a year now and it's helped somewhat but I've been wanting to quit ever since I overheard it costs my parents 100$ a month. I hate putting a burden on them.
I'm so with you there. Mental health today is a major problem. My mom has a neighbor that has manic depression, paranoid schizophrenic, and bi polar. He's fixated on my mother and lives about 150 feet from her. He has bad episodes from time to time and has damaged her car and house. I'm truthfully at a crossroads in my life because I can't get him the proper help. I'm truthfully and honestly thinking killing him might be the answer and I really don't wanna kill him. I have researched and heard stories about how a person with mental health problems fixates on someone they eventually hurt when the problems get too bad. That victim is my mother. This has been on my mind hurting the soul of my being as a person for about a year now. I don't know what to do. All legal action has been taken to do the proper paperwork. That thin piece of paper won't stop a 35 year old guy from murdering my 54 year old mother that's his neighbor. They literally share a fence. I have my own life to deal with and this mother fucker needs to go.
And to not be stereotyped for it with everyone thinking that you can't do anything because your brain is different.
Kimihro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure we could find it somewhere in our defense budget.
Splive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, human productivity and happiness would go through the roof if people who need help can get it...although we still have a long way to go anyway with medication and therapy to say we can really "Cure" things like depression and anxiety.
zsjt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:43:22 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately mental health services receive only a fraction of the funding in an extremely underfunded NHS. This means that services are having to provide more with less and less, and that staff are under increased amounts of pressure.
I love the NHS and will fight to keep it going and to improve it-- I think we're lucky to have access to free healthcare, but I agree that mental health provision is nowhere near good enough.
It's possible. Just need to build a ship that can sustain 20 generations of humans. Since FTL travel is physically impossible. You have survive the full length of the trip
I used to work at Comcast as a contractor programmer. One day my boss (who worked for my company, not Comcast) called me up and said we were going to go meet with people from Time Warner Cable about also writing some software for them. When my boss showed up in my cube I stood up and started to put on my coat, and he said "what the fuck are you doing?" We then took the elevator up four floors and met with TWC executives in their temporary offices ... in the Comcast Center.
So yeah, there will eventually be only one, but there's kind of only one already.
RhynoD ยท 1393 points ยท Posted at 16:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm reminded of the hearing to allow the merger between I think TWC and Comcast, and the CEO testifying that they didn't have to worry about a monopoly and a lack of competition because the two companies already agreed not to compete and divided up the country accordingly.
[deleted] ยท 1431 points ยท Posted at 16:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You don't have to worry about us forming a monopoly. Because we already did that."
that didnt go through however the discussion was very real! charter bought TWC and now they are the largest cable provider/ISP in the US
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:29:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh I have had both charter and Comcast. I have had far less issues with Comcast than charter. However I did use to work for Comcast and know all the inner workings of who to talk to and get stuff done faster than your average joe. And how to get the best deals on prices as well. Tip go into the service center to solve issues less wait better people. And to sign up for services find a door to door rep they have the best prices on packages
Don't worry it won't be one company controlling the whole country. It will be two companies each controlling half and agreeing not to compete while being owned by the same people. Completely different.
Dividing the market and agreeing to eliminate competition to raise prices is. It's defined in our law as a cartel. Some years ago three largest trash collection companies got hit with huge fines for that.
Damn, I really don't know how he hasn't been charged with collusion for saying that.
RhynoD ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because antitrust laws require someone to enforce them, and that would be congress. And they 1) don't know how technology works and probably never notice or care what cable service they have, because they're congressmen and their service never doesn't work; and 2) ISP lobbyists give them lots of expensive gifts to make sure they stay happy enough that they don't bother looking closely at the situation.
It's technically true lol, the two companies never occupied the same territories and thus never directly compete with each other. But that only made the argument more asinine as we all know.
Though as bad as TWC customer service was, Charter is making far worse decisions behind the scenes than anyone at TWC ever tried.
Yeah, my story is from when they were trying to do the merger, before it was rejected. Nobody that I knew in either company really seemed to even care about the merger rejection. I'm not sure why they were bothering with it in the first place, unless it was the old marry-your-mistress-because-you're-tired-of-sneaking-around kind of thing.
RhynoD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congress wanted to block the merger because it would reduce competition, which is bad for consumers because it means there's no incentive for the companies to keep prices down and provide good service. The Executive Vice President of Comcast argued that congress had nothing to worry about because there already was no competition, because the two companies already agreed to divide up territories in their service area and don't compete.
Basically: congress said "we're not sure this is a good idea, it might screw over your customers..." and Comcast responded, "No no, it's fine, they can't possibly get screwed over harder than they are now so there's no reason to stop us."
If you can get yourself up to the cafeteria on the 43rd floor (not open the general public) on a Friday, they have the most unbelievable all-you-can-stuff-on-one-plate salad bar thing going for $6 (normally they weigh it and charge by the pound). They use it to get rid of uneaten food from the week (since they're not open at night or on the weekends) - one time they had a tray full of marinated, seared tuna steaks (I had three). Definitely the best grazing in Philly if you can get in. Also the best view in the city.
I don't mean to defend Comcast because from a bystander this sounds crazy. But aren't the Comcast center and the TWC building like right across the street from each other in ATL? Wouldn't I make since for them to have offices to accommodate both parties at the buildings since they work so closely anyway. Seems like TWC employees in some capacity would always be at The Comcast center for one reason or another.
"what the fuck are you doing you dumb piece of human garbage fuck. You actually think you should grab your COAT you fucking fuck the nerve of some people. fuck you and your family." But no really why was he so angry. you were just grabbing your coat?
In your world, do people really only use the word "fuck" when they're angry? I say "what the fuck are you doing?" ten times a day to co-workers, and I'm not angry - I'm just trying to figure out what the fuck they're doing.
To add to this, Time Warner was absorbed by Spectrum who just happens to have the same bills, website structure, fees, products, and automated phone system as Comcast.
Everyone thinks everything's been chill since the Ma Bell break up.
It hasn't. SBC bought up all the baby bells starting in '04 and changed its name it AT&T. Comcast and Time Warner acquisition. The other major provider is Verizon.
There's literally 3 major telecom's controlling just about all of the US right now and buying up all the smaller ones. Soon they'll all merge under one huge monopoly again.
It will be Verizon and ATT or SoftBank (Sprint) at the end of the day. The endgame is to expand their bandwidth and widening their portfolio. Then they control their media and agenda at will. Cable is dying and streaming content is the key to growth. Plus Comcast nd charter can't sustain losing customers on the tv end for.long unless they leverage with broadband adds.
Yep. Also the acquisition of Directv a few years ago by AT&T, too. That was a sad day. They got their hands now to extend broadband for further rural communities via satellite in a market prominently dominated by Hughes and ViaSat.
Next you'll be going on about grumpkins and giant spiders. Look, no one has claimed to have seen this large ISP in a thousand years and even if it does exist, how would it ever get past the wall?
If it follows former models of monopoly break-ups, you'll end up with 5-11 regional mega carriers that will then gradually merge and buy up former comcast properties and companies, until you end up with only two major competitors that can't merge because then you're back to where you started. E.g., Verizon and AT&T.
Yep, these companies will never die because they own the infrastructure. Cable TV is on the decline, but they don't really care because they own the coaxial cable which provides both cable and internet, so even if you ax your cable package, you're still paying them for internet.
As we slowly move to optical fiber, they will probably be left in the dust of Google and Verizon since they're too cheap/lazy to lay the fiber and would rather just fight it through legal means (not allowing Google and municipalities access to the poles that they own). Verizon has actually made great strides recently, the just announced reasonably priced gigabit internet, which I of course had to scoop up considering it was only $20/month more than my current 150 Mbps. So now I have 486 channels from them (about 420 are bullshit, I use HDHomeRun via Kodi, and have narrowed it down to about 50 channels that have anything interesting on it. We have duplicates of pretty much every channel [one in SD and one in HD], and about a quarter of the channels are in triplicate for some reason [we have the national broadcast and then the east version for some unknown reason]), and gigabit internet for $160/month.
In comparison, my parents live at the other end of the state (we're in NJ) and have Comcast (Verizon stopped laying fiber about 2 miles from their house). They have something like 250-300 channels (both SD and HD), phone service, and 150 Mbps down and 25 Mbps up, constant TV drop outs to the point where some HD channels don't work at all and the internet is always slow as molasses and they're paying around $250 per month. It's either suck it up or go with Verizon DSL.
I don't blame their customer service reps, they're just people trying to make a living. Knowing that they're working for one of the worst companies on the planet, I pity them and try to make their job a little easier.
Comcast's leadership, though, those fuckers can burn in hell.
If they were qualified for the job and spoke English well enough to actually assist me, then yeah sure they get a pass. Last time I called Comcast the lady refused to transfer me to a tech 2 to remedy my issue until I started throwing tech jargon not on her quick reference card. Then I got a guy who spoke English very well and flashed my modem in 5 minutes. She can get some blame for how shitty the Comcast experience is.
I will not be surprised if this becomes the top answer.
Outypoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot just how many people on Reddit are American, in the UK we get a variety of choices of which the majority have 100Mb+, just how bad is the speed of Comcast?
It's not the product. They have probably one of the best products but their customer service is flat out insulting and they lie! I'm just a little bitter if you can't tell.
I don't live in the US but I constantly read so much crap about Comcast that I pity those who use their service.
However, even if you don't pay them for internet, aren't we all paying them for watching tv, movies and going to theme parks? Check: Companies own by Comcast
Gnash_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More reasons to wish for their fall
cizzop ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:31:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast owns the two tallest sky scrapers in Philadelphia. I hope to one day see rocket boosters attached to the bottom so we can just blast them into outer space never to be seen again unless you have a really good telescope.
Sadly, that will probably come when Comcast, the last cable company, and Verizon, the last mobile company, merge and pick some blandly pleasant name like "Sunrise Communications" to hide their complete control behind a veneer of marketing.
I'm currently making my way through a book that sets out a plan for the destruction of Comcast. It's couched in a weird narrative, but I'm almost finished. It's written by a guy named Stephen King. He must really hate Comcast, though, because he only ever calls it "It". Won't even name the company. It's definitely about Comcast, though.
Here in Denver you either get Comcast or CenturyLink. The past two apartments I've lived in have had the wiring in the buildings physically configured to not allow CenturyLink services so you're forced to get Comcast. Seems like it should be illegal if you ask me.
How bad is their wifi? I just moved to a house in a new neighborhood and the only cable/wifi company available is Comcast. Is it slow or unreliable? Or both?
Sadly, those that actually profit from Comcast will have already created another corporation to ensure that their corporate culture continues -- just without the same name and any liability of Comcast for their shitty treatment of consumers. Because it will be a shell corporation, it will take a while for people to get wise again.
joewilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A public option would be like chemotherapy. A lot of hell and chaos would happen initially, and the big 4 monopolies would perish and bring people down in the process. But it would be a cure
_Giddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious, what has Comcast done that makes them so hated?
tough customer service, locking up municipalities to be the only (viable) option for cable (they get around this because DSL is still an option in all areas same with dish internet. but both are essentially unusable but there is still technically competition). pretty much the same reason you hate your electric, gas, water companies. they are the only option and nothing forces them to keep prices low. so they can charge whatever they want.
in the next several years Verizon and AT&T wireless will be releasing their new 5th generation LTE ... it will compete with the wireline speeds and offer an opportunity for real competition.
issius ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont love comcast, but 150 meg internet for $90 a month where the ONLY other option is 3 met DSL when it works for $60 a month, I will stay with the axis of evil, thanks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:48 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a reason we hate them, because there are no other viable options.
ZiggidyZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:32 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a shitty reason to hate THEM. had we purchased our house 1 block in 2 directions, or 3 blocks in the other 2 directions, we could have gotten fiber via another carrier. LITERALLY a blackhole for the other carrier in the middle of town. Not the fault of Comcast that the other carrier chose not to invest in infrastructure for a terminal serving a all part of town.
Look at it this way, Comcast could have made the SAME choice, and I would be up shit creek without a paddle.
Unfortunately the discovery was made AFTER the move. The competitor website said their good service was available, but database error pulled wrong address. Found out only after tech came for install.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:40:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell no I love Comcast
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we get rid of net neutrality and make it easier for someone to compete then that will happen!
Not in Alaska! Those things are fricken awful! Anti freeze in their blood so they don't die in the cold and when the spring comes around there are 2 GENERATIONS of mosquitos...
blubat26 ยท 2573 points ยท Posted at 14:33:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, I guess we know where we're "testing" our next nuke.
I mean, the FFA on the Australian server is the only reason to go to the zone unless you're levelling up your surfing skill, in which case, it's a mandatory part of your quest line.
Do you want the mosquitoes to get bigger instead!?!
iksi99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a mosquito gets 3 times bigger it is still small enough to kill easily. If a giant spider gets 3 times bigger it gets easier for it to kill me. No, thank you.
Fun fact: spiders can only become so big because they don't have a respiratory system. They basically just have a bunch of holes all over their body that absorb oxygen, and that system doesn't work once they reach a certain size.
There was a TIL about an aboriginal man in Australia who saw a nuke test with no context, he thought it was the spirit of a God and that it was giving them food in the form of radioactive kangaroos that were killed.
und88 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:48:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want giant mutant anti-freeze-blood mosquitos? Because that's how you get giant mutant anti-freeze-blood mosquitos.
Please no. You'll just make them mutate bigger than they already are up here. We joke that our mosquitos are the state bird in AK, do you really want that in reality???
There is a reason they call them our state bird. They come out of the ground in swarms and are almost bigger than the hummingbirds we get up here in the spring.
Alberta reporting in, we know EXACTLY what you're talking about. A bit further north in the less populated part of the province, those suckers are big enough to fly off with babies and small dogs...
Same in Louisiana, except that is just doesn't get/stay cold enough to kill the little fuckers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I forgot about this fact. I watched a documentary on it, and holy shit, you're not kidding. There's like, over9000000000 of them everywhere. They are scary dudes.
Big whoop, they don't carry malaria.. And of course, the mandatory "the ones in Lapland are the size of a horse".. And those are the easy ones, Mรคkรคrรคinen is the real pain in the neck, they can crawl under clothes and bite small pieces off to get to the juices.. You get used to our guys in one summer. The next summer it is same thing all over again, get immunity by getting bit.
Rising sea levels doesn't just mean more ocean, more swampland is created too because of rain, that's how swamps and lakes get there in the first place, they didn't just pop up out of the ground
kaeroku ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the main reason why I reside in the snow belt, near a large body of water. My cohabiting partner hates it (and to be fair, with how she looks in summer clothes, I empathize,) but I moved here 10 years ago and have very little interest in living somewhere that doesn't allow me to hibernate while all the pests die for 5 months out of every year.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how it works, but cold places seem to have even more mosquitoes than hotbjumid places. Except for in the winter obviously. Then it's just dark and quiet and the actual air tries to kill you instead.
Climate change pushed ticks infected with Lyme to my neck of the woods too and it's been really hard to avoid ticks lately. Really sorry you caught it, this just makes me continue wrapping myself 100% before going to bushes. You can't get shit done as it is soo hot but i rather do half the pace than risk it. They used to be a non-issue but i'm kind of guessing this is just the start and we get infected mosquitoes too..
I watched a video on YouTube of someone injecting hydrogen peroxide in a tick (it basically explodes the tick). There were people in the comments section shouting animal abuse and were generally sympathetic towards the tick.
EDIT: I meant for me, not worldwide or something. In most countries, mosquitoes are not really DANGEROUS in any way.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:03:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I beg to differ. Despite mowing lawns all summer I have only found one tick on me. I always shower after and check myself for ticks though. They only really get lodged in your skin after about 4 hours.
Throughout my summer I've had so many mosquito bites that drive me clinically insane! Just my opinion and like my asshole Im sure it stinks to some people even though it smells good to me.
Not even close, mosquitoes literally kill MILLIONS of people every single year. Ticks are annoying but as long as you pull them off within 48 hours you'll be fine. I mean I hate ticks too, I've had one on my dick before but they don't spread malaria.
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Mosquitoes (really the diseases they carry obviously) have killed more human beings than literally anything else.
I live deep in "tick country." Picking them off is a daily chore, I get probably 4 or 5 a day, but once in awhile as many as 30 (depending on where I'm walking). I prefer them a million times over mosquitoes. They don't carry diseases (at least in my area), the bites are less itchy, and you can often find them before they actually bite you if you just check yourself every time you go to the bathroom. And it's easy to control the population: chickens and guinea fowl eat all the ticks nearest my house, so if you stay close to where those animals like to be, you can pretty much avoid them entirely.
Meanwhile, the mosquitoes we have are invasive and being out at dusk is difficult to handle. We've spent hundreds of hours building nests and homes for bats, purple martins, and swallows to control the population. We've stocked our ponds with mosquito larvae eating species. It's had an impact, but there is still no way to escape them.
Keep an eye on the borealis disease spread charts every year, ticks are just a nuisance until they are infected and then you really do not want to find a single one.. Both my parents home and the small farm we got are both in "tick country" and ever since borealis spread here, there is not even a chance of me going to bushes without fully clothed, rubberbands and duct tape on sleeves and tick check done by someone else than you... Average: 1 tick per day found, haven't been bitten (yet).. And go to doctor whenever you find expanding red ring the next day surrounding a bite mark; the disease can be quite easily be treated if it is treated soon, the disease stays around the bite for quite a long time but once it is advancing, it will not stop on it's own.
Still no reported cases anywhere near where I live and my county and all neighboring counties are still listed as "no risk". But I'll definitely be checking this again in the future.
We got the edge two years ago, now we are fully on the "zone". I live on the coast in Finland and the islands use to carry them but they haven't changed. It's spreading from the south here as the climate changes and coastal areas are hit first.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:09:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're actually being serious, a mosquito just bites you then flies off. A tick however literally buries its head into your flesh and you usually don't notice until it's body has swollen up to the size of a pea. You can't panic and rip it off, because this usually leaves part of the head lodged in your flesh which can lead to potentially poisoning you. You have to leave it there as it feeds on you until someone can properly remove it from you, if you aren't sure how to remove them yourself. Unless of course you're a smoker, then you'll usually have a lighter around and can just burn the fucker off.
So yes, while mosquitos are a nuisance, I'd agree that ticks are substantially worse.
Ridry ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:27:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In America 100% this. Worldwide mosquitoes death count puts ticks to shame. As a Northeasterner I'm terrified of ticks and have had Lyme. My kids playing outside gives me an anxiety disorder.
Engvar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had Lyme, and my grandfather was in a coma and permanently disabled from it.
They can also make you allergic to red meat. Killing me is one thing, taking away steak is a whole new level of hell.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know one person who got the meat thing. It's crazy!
DO NOT BURN THEM OFF! Use tweezers and pull as close to the head as possible perpendicular to your skin or use a "tick key" device. Burning them can cause them to throw up whatever is in their gut and increase chance of disease transmission.
But without mosquitos, we risk endangering all kinds of birds and bats!
JonBanes ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:19:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I understand, you could get rid of the mosquitoes that bite humans with minimum impact to the rest of the ecosystem. It's a relatively small subset of species.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'd be happy to take the risk! Mother nature can take another one for the team if it means we no longer have to put up with mosquitos. Especially in countries where malaria is a problem.
You are, though I won't bother to find it. I know because I tell my wife about it every time one of those bloodsuckers gets me.
But - I would also point out that we (humans in general) have a history of mismanaging things we don't understand completely. I'm all for getting rid of all the mosquitos but we'll want to make sure we don't do it all at once just in case they're secretly responsible for keeping the world turning.
I think the plan they're working on is releasing a ton of infertile mosquitos into the wild during a season, causing a drop in population the following the yes and then repeating the process. Hopefully if something goes haywire they'd notice it during the course of the multi year extermination
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
here is a short write-up on the first instance of modifying mosquitoes to produce only male offspring, which led to this team driving genes that sterilize the next offspring of female mosquitoes of a certain, malaria carrying species
edit:: Here is the best link I could quickly find, I'll look again later when I have more time and try to find a true scientific study. The sources to that article are worth looking into though.
Thats what they eat, my man. Mosquitos are very populous and theres certain species im certain regions that would drop drastically in numbers due to lack of food. Down in Austin, TX, theres thousands of bats that wake up every night to feast on mainly mosquitos. If those mosquitos disappeared, so would the bats. They'd starve to death.
I think I have legit PTSD after having an episode with bed bugs, like it really fucked with my head. Fuck bed bugs
6chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can relate. I had an episode with those fuckers and for the longest time after that the tiniest feeling of anything crawling on me would send me into a "Search and Destroy" mode.
I was on forums looking for solutions and one of the stickied threads was one dissuading people from suicide. And it was serious.
6chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate those words. You have my empathy for your episode with the bugs.
shildot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. There was a /r/Writingprompts awhile back asking no mosquitoes being bad. I submitted a short about how they were the only thing holding back humanity eradicating aliens. So, potentially, lots of mosquitoes=no aliens so there's that
Mosquitos are an essential part of many ecosystems. Only a small number of mosquito species actually interact with humans. Though the few that do interact with humans are very irritating, we shouldn't judge a species by its extremes. :D
yeah but they are not dangerous...or at least they don't kill millions of people every year like mosquitoes. I can think of other things that can go like those ticks that make you blind.
alayne_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we could genetically modify (or something) mosquitoes to make no sound and to make their bites not itchy I'd already be happy. And of course to kill all mosquitoes who make a sound so they will become extinct.
I imagine if we start killing off mosquitoes by the masses, some weird environmental bullshit will happen and we'll end up worse off than we started. Man, fuck nature.
xprdc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And bed bugs. I cannot think of any reason or benefit for their existence whatsoever, and they are so much harder to get rid of.
I was watching a video about an automatic lazer that kills/disables female mosquitoes by vaporizing there wings to help solve malaria!
On part of the video was talking about how female mosquito was the best enemy there is zero organizations supporting female mosquito. No animal rights activist, environmentalists, politicians, special interests, trying to stop you (for example not spraying insecticide that does dame to useful insects). No one !
Starts at 10:10 if you want to skip to the lazer part
edit 14:01 if you want to skip to just the firing of the lazer and disabling the mosquito
Wasn't there a big story about a year ago that essentially said we're at a point where we can drive moquitos to extinction but we're making sure there aren't going to be any drawbacks?
Let's put cockroaches, and house centipedes on the "fuck those guys" list too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These little bastards have been around for billions of years. Don't think they're going anywhere anytime soon. Altho they don't have any in lceland. Might wanna boogy on over there.
We have already genetically engineered mosquitoes that are very sexually active and attractive to other mosquitoes whose offspring are sterile.
Unfortunately some people are against genociding a whole species of disease carrying insects that make up a relatively small part of the ecosystem and food chain so they have not been released in the wild yet.
And spiders.
If we're smart enough, we should just engineer something to completely and wholly replace their purpose in worldwide ecosystems and just learn about them in natural history museums from then on.
I would be satisfied with seeing a solution to rising CO2 implemented and start to take effect. Not just the Paris Agreement, but a technological or devised "solution" that not only makes human activity carbon neutral, but carbon negative. Before I die, I'd like to know that my descendants have a chance.
Sorryies ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:41:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't need to get rid of people. There is enough food in the world to feed the worlds current population right now! But will you ever see the entire world co-operate in distributing food? No, you won't! It just seems impossible, sadly :(
cold26 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could distribute food to every corner of the world and that'll do fuck-all for hunger if the food is sold for profit, not distributed by necessity. Capitalism is the reason why we have both world hunger and so much food that we throw tons away of it a year. Systemic changes are needed to actually solve thing which isn't at all impossible if more people believed so.
Capitalism is the reason why we have both world hunger and so much food that we throw tons away of it a year.
Human nature means you will likely never get people outside of their country to help other countries people without some benefit to themselves. At least not in high enough numbers. Even without Capitalism, there would be hunger. Removing that will just make the majority do something else. And honestly, what's the alternative? How do you get people to work to produce food to feed starving people for no benefit tot themselves outside of charity? Which I'm pretty sure there are already.
Ilubalu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human nature means you will likely never get people outside of their country to help other countries people without some benefit to themselves.
You have just revealed you are a republican. That's what you perceive in your own nature, and that means you have strived to be honest with yourself. Every politician working from a position of honesty deserves respect.
This reminds me of Newt Gingrich's famous comment: "I'm not a citizen of the world; I'm a citizen of the United States." Watch his entire 2009 GOP Congressional Dinner speech here.
It has been demonstrated that people can and will work for others for NO benefit to themselves, but, of course, it won't be everybody who sees value in that activity. A core left-wing value is that human nature compels us to recognize the humanity in others despite their difference or nationality. And, that, should show to you that liberals are just being honest with themselves just as you are with yourself, which is why they deserve your respect.
cold26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a liberal but don't act like we have equal footing in the matter. I'm saying we should eliminate exploitation at its root and care for everybody like an evolved society should/could, and they're saying that the endeavor isn't worth it because people (like them) are too selfish to care. A big difference in which no argument should exist. We can care for everybody like an evolved society should/could. The other opinion is regressive and not worth discussing.
And no, not every politician deserves respect for any reason. I'm sure you can't mean Newt Gingrich, man who divorced his wife while she lay on her hospital bed, the health insurance lobbyist who advised Trump on repealing the only slightly progressive healthcare program we have in this country. He advocated for using tax payer money to "reimburse" businesses "effected by" the ACA. He can choke and die.
Ilubalu ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not every politician deserves respect for any reason
Is there no path within your own imagination that someone you disagree with might take, and end up deserving your respect?
Consider how when people play chess, there are 3 boards: the one on the table and the one in each player's head. I am asking you to manipulate that sim-life in your head to ask the question: How can one of them be respectable to you?
they're saying that the endeavor isn't worth it because people (like them) are too selfish to care... The other opinion is regressive and not worth discussing.
If you meet a stranger who decides to take a risk on you and share what they really thought, are you actually going to end the discussion if their ideas disgust you? Again, go to the sim-life. Do they have a chance at being worthy of your appreciation in there?
Everybody's brains are wired differently. It is that wiring that motivates our preferences. Consider the psychopaths doing AMAs. They may be repulsive and disgusting; however, there is a lesson in there for us. We learn that some people in this world simply lack a sense of feeling for others. It's not something they initiate; it's something they are oriented to prefer - simply because when they see people, nothing fires inside inspiring them to help or understand. Is that person a monster? Maybe, so go back to your sim-world. Where do they fit in your perfect world simulation? They do have a place. Maybe.... their purpose is to deal with others who are as heartless as they are, people like Putin and Assad. Whoa. Makes sense. They'd be horrible cops, but great mercenaries.
When somebody takes a risk and reveals to you what they actually think, want, and feel, you are being given an opportunity to grow, help them, and help the world by encouraging them to find their proper place. You will not reduce this person's influence or inspire this person to loathe themselves by giving them the cold shoulder or cutting off discussion. If you really don't like them, just stay cool, and plug it into your life-sim when you get home. You just might find they are not as evil as you thought, and if you are still in touch, you can offer them suggestions THAT NOBODY AROUND THEM WILL SUGGEST. Also, consider which republicans you believe are legitimately honest and deserve respect. I'm not suggesting that the ones who lie and cheat deserve that.
cold26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My suggestion is overthrowing capitalism to end poverty, war, and lack of basic resources. If that is not your suggestion then it's merely putting a bandaid on the problem, or making the problem worse. Those opinions I will not entertain. There are a handful of politicians I respect and that is because they are socialists too and are attempting to make reforms where it's possible while this neoliberal capitalist system still exists. Left ideologies and right ideologies are not equal, nor will we meet in the middle to compromise when compromising is anything other than solving the root of the problem. Get that centrist shit outta here.
Ilubalu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's such a pleasure to discuss with you because it's usually the atheists and capitalists I am banging on with. At least, I know you're not one of those.
My suggestion is overthrowing capitalism to end poverty, war, and lack of basic resources.
Sounds like you're saying that while the status quo carries on, you will remain disgusted and angry. You remind me of the goth kids on South Park. I think it's a little bit not accepting the world as it is - like a racist holding onto a hope that one day a big boat will come and take all the black people back to Africa.
Perhaps, your hopes are that some heist or hack brings companies to their knees. I can't speak about that. From my perspective, that appears possible, but not very likely. I'm pretty sure that the people I disagree with aren't going anywhere. They still deserve respect; even Bernie Sanders would tell you that.
If that is not your suggestion it's merely putting a bandaid on the problem, or making the problem worse
Well, I do admire your ability to believe in yourself. It's your inability to respect those who disagree that appears to be a serious weakness. I once thought the right-wing alone was guilty of that.
There are a handful of politicians I respect and that is because they are socialists too
You're admitting to respecting only people who agree with you. You clearly don't like this idea, but I'll repeat it: Many people who disagree with you/us have arrived at their points of view in an honest and sincere way. They do not deserve your disrespect; after all, they're just being themselves, and that alone does not make me a centrist.
Let me tell you something. This all started when we were kids. Some kids enjoyed the fact that they're good at things, and they're inspired by the thought they could be rewarded for it. They then are motivated to believe that the most beautiful thing is a person becoming the strongest they can become. Now, a socialist like you or me might say this isn't what society should be built on, but this kid is genuinely enamored with the concept of reaching his/her highest form of him/herself. You can't just rip out that feeling and tell them it was never there.
It has been demonstrated that people can and will work for others for NO benefit to themselves, but, of course, it won't be everybody who sees value in that activity.
Of course there are people who are willing to help others for no benefit. I never said they didn't exist. I like to think I'm one of them much of the time. But you will never get ENOUGH of them to make any kind of impact.
Think about it. Nothing is stopping them NOW from doing just that. There are plenty of charities all over the place. The people who are willing to do that already are, and we still have world hunger. You aren't suddenly going to change people's attitudes about that by changing the political nature of their country. The people who are willing to do that will continue to do that, and the people who aren't will not.
A core left-wing value is that human nature compels us to recognize the humanity in others despite their difference or nationality.
I'm not interested in what labels you think are better than other labels. The fact is people aren't going to suddenly become saints who like running soup kitchens suddenly because you change how the government functions.
And, that, should show to you that liberals are just being honest with themselves just as you are with yourself, which is why they deserve your respect.
...............Is this a joke? I respect people based off who they are, not what political label they decide to wear. And for the record, I have seen an astounding amount of liberals who are not worthy of any kind of respect.
Ilubalu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course there are people who are willing to help others for no benefit. I never said they didn't exist.
You cited human nature. That's rather comprehensive. You then went on to explain why you think the battle against hunger will never be won. That does not justify inaction. You've heard of the starfish story; right?
people aren't going to suddenly become saints who like running soup kitchens suddenly because you change how the government functions.
You then go off on some rant against labels. Look; your entire post amounts to negativity in the light of people trying to help others. I'm telling you that people do want to help others and that they will continue doing so no matter what you think the label is or how government is involved.
You cited human nature. That's rather comprehensive.
Yes, human nature means many or most of humans will feel this way. Not literally every single human that exists feels this way. Humans are complex enough that you will never be able to make a blanket statement about anything concerning humans other than, perhaps, they are all human.
You then went on to explain why you think the battle against hunger will never be won. That does not justify inaction.
I never said it did. I said changing the government will not help solve it. I think we absolutely should be helping people who are starving or in need.
You then go off on some rant against labels.
It's you who brought labels into the equation. You started labeling people republican and then demanding people who call themselves liberal should get my respect. My "rant" was specifically about not giving a shit about what you decide to label yourself as. YOU brought it up, and I'm saying it's irrelevant.
Look; your entire post amounts to negativity in the light of people trying to help others.
No it doesn't. I have NEVER said helping others is wrong or pointless. Not once.
I'm telling you that people do want to help others and that they will continue doing so no matter what you think the label is or how government is involved.
Are you a damn troll? This has literally been my exact point this whole time. People will help people in need or they wont. Doesn't matter what government structure you have.
Which means that the person who claimed that world hunger exists because of Capitalism, and suggested that it could be solved by a switch in how the government is run, is wrong. Outside of a dictatorship that forces people to work for the benefit of others, you will not see any significant increase in fighting world hunger with a political change because a change in politics will not trigger a change in the PEOPLE themselves who are already free to help the needy, and don't in big enough numbers to erase the problem.
Ilubalu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:29 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a problem respecting people if they use labels? I said people who sincerely arrive at their viewpoint, whether we agree with it or not, deserve respect on account of the honesty they had with themselves. I did NOT say that people deserve respect on account of their self-identifying one way or another; however, I see no importance in pointing out if a label is involved or not. It kinda suggests you didn't read what I wrote well, which is a classic reddit sickness. People blab and respond without really caring. None of it is important to them, and they're just trying to pass time at work because they're bored. I bet that's you. Either way, you can get your panties twisted up because of almost anything like labels. That's you doing that; not me. I'm making a reference to the beliefs.
Which means that the person who claimed that world hunger exists because of Capitalism, and suggested that it could be solved by a switch in how the government is run, is wrong.
You struck me as smart at first, but you can't pass off the appearance of intelligence by saying non-sequiturs like that, but then again, maybe I'm dumb to suspect that you are. Maybe the failure in this logic is plainly obvious to you, and are pushing it on me out of the hope I'll miss it. Of course, there is no light switch anywhere that will fix any significant problem. On the other hand, it is a significant failure if one attempts to discredit all influence capitalism might have on the poor.
To put it succinctly: There is no connection between the observed and very unpredictable behavior individuals and the responsibility of the government, which clearly has the power to wield a significant influence at the corporate and global level.
The observation I suppose we both made about individuals and their freedom to act does not imply anything about government and the role it plays/played/could play because we're talking about the difference between ants and Mack trucks. You're arguing the classical right-wing, capitalist, leave-me-alone-to-enjoy-my-money point of view. It's like saying, "If individuals have been observed fixing up abandoned vehicles, government has no responsibility to handle any abandoned vehicles." It does not follow, a non-sequitur. I suspect you're using this obviously weak logic in order to weasel your way out of responsibility just like John Galt.
Not only can gov't have a role, IT CAN, AND IT MUST because it has been proven again and again that society and more specifically, business, cannot be trusted to treat people well. Does hunger exist because of capitalism? A person with a short attention span wants a yes/no answer. The only smart thing to say is that capitalism exerts a significant influence on the entire world, and it's clear that it motivates people to not share. It's like LORD OF THE RINGS. The ring or the money doesn't turn people evil or selfish; it enables them to become evil or selfish if they have that desire and give into it. The freedom to make unlimited money is a beautiful thing; however, it is one of the most important reasons why government must look out for the less fortunate - because the rich have proven they will isolate themselves and make efforts to forget that the poor exist.
Do you have a problem respecting people if they use labels?
No, but I could care less about them in this specific context, and they certainly don't deserve my respect just because they have one label or another.
It kinda suggests you didn't read what I wrote well, which is a classic reddit sickness.
You mean like the time you repeated my entire point back to me like it was what you were supporting the entire time?
None of it is important to them, and they're just trying to pass time at work because they're bored. I bet that's you.
You can create little images of me in your head to make yourself feel superior if that really helps you. Again, not relevant.
You struck me as smart at first,
Your petty insults are only going to make your stance look less valid than it already does.
There is no connection between the observed and very unpredictable behavior individuals and the responsibility of the government, which clearly has the power to wield a significant influence at the corporate and global level.
The government has no ability to make people work for other countries benefit outside of a dictatorship. It has nothing to do with Capitalism, as has everything to do with a huge majority of people not caring about other countries problems. Again, outside of a dictatorship, there is no way to combat that attitude through government means.
You're arguing the classical right-wing, capitalist, leave-me-alone-to-enjoy-my-money point of view.
Uh, no? I haven't said anything about the wealthy or their money. Or anyone's money in fact.
Once again, I'm talking about getting people to sacrifice their own time/energy/whatever on helping those in other countries. That attitude is why world hunger is a problem. You cannot change that attitude with a government flip.
It's like saying, "If individuals have been observed fixing up abandoned vehicles, government has no responsibility to handle any abandoned vehicles."
It's not like that at all. I'm not talking about government responsibility. I'm talking about the people who make up the citizenry of a country.
The only smart thing to say is that capitalism exerts a significant influence on the entire world, and it's clear that it motivates people to not share.
Is it clear? That doesn't seem at all clear to me. You cant just pass that off as if it's obvious without backing it up. You are honestly saying that all the greedy people in the world wouldn't be greedy if the government was run differently.
Here's the thing. Greedy people don't stop being greedy because the government changes to something else. They stay greedy, and either are forced to help others (dictatorship), or they work around it. But you cannot change the individual people's attitudes by changing government. And, I have said this a huge number of times at this point, THE CITIZENS OF A COUNTRY ARE THE ONE'S WHO ULTIMATELY NEED TO BE CONVINCED TO HELP OTHER COUNTRIES PEOPLE AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH WHAT IS GOING ON HALF WAY AROUND THE WORLD.
They are concerned with their own lives and the lives of those around, specifically, the lives of the people who share their country. And you know what? That's not even a evil or wrong way of thinking. In fact, you find that thinking in just about every country that exists or has existed since countries became a thing, and really even before that. Because you know what? That way of thinking is human nature. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT. This is something you see no matter what government set up you have.
it enables them to become evil or selfish if they have that desire and give into it.
You cannot force people to be good people, and you cannot force people to care about others. Sorry. That might seem cold, but that's how it is.
Ilubalu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:52 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking about government responsibility.
Yes you are, and that's why I'm starting to think this conversation is just a plaything you are not really contributing your honest attention to. This discussion's path has been clear:
You stated that human nature demotivates people from helping others. You also said that those others would be in other countries, but I see no relevance to where they are, and I can't imagine you could either except other than a desire to disagree and be contrary.
I countered by stating that it's YOUR human nature, which is basically the evidence you are a republican, which you haven't acknowledged. I expressed respect for your POV because you seem to have gotten there by honestly looking at yourself, but you haven't acknowledged this or your republicanism.
I pointed out that there are significant numbers of people with an entirely different sense of how human nature is; as a result, there will selfless efforts going on.
You then called me a troll, and gave yourself the credit of having said the same thing. You went on to say that gov't can't be flicked like a switch in order to fix poverty.
REGARDLESS WHETHER CAPITALISM BE THE CAUSE OR NOT, PEOPLE HAVE DEMONSTRATED THEY WILL LET THEIR COUNTRYMEN AND PEOPLE OF OTHER COUNTRIES SUFFER WITHOUT LIMIT, AND THAT IS WHY GOV'T HAS A ROLE WHETHER THE POVERTY BE IN ITS OWN BORDERS OR NOT. EVIDENTLY IT CAN'T HANDLE 100% of the POVERTY ELSEWHERE, BUT IF THERE IS SUFFERING GOING ON, THE COUNTRY DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY A ROLE IN SHOWING IT HAS A SOUL WHICH CARES FOR OTHERS. MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF POLITICIANS YOU LIKE; SO, VOTE AS YOU LIKE. Now, capitalism as a basis for society is clearly a system of some sort, and you can choose to get lost in the semantics of its definition, but for all practical purposes, it also refers to the effect it has, which is unfettered wealth in the hands of a few. So, again, if you want to get lost in semantics or talk about some other country, this is a waste of time. I am saying that wealth encourages separation, which encourages oblivion. Now, do you need URLs or studies to prove that? You are not inclined to think that when people have more money to run off and have fun, they have one less motivation to remember people less fortunate than themselves, which is those very people in their midst. Nobody is trying to shut down american capitalism or even argue that it causes poverty; however, it does enable the selfish to be more selfish. American socialism is a sorely needed thing.
You struck me as smart at first,
Your petty insults are only going to make your stance look less valid than it already does.
Guess what? I DIDN'T INSULT YOU! I SUGGESTED THAT YOU MIGHT BE SMARTER THAN I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT. You didn't pick that up, or your anti-positivity filter stopped it from hitting your brain..... OR YOU JUST DIDN'T READ WELL ENOUGH. I SUSPECT YOU SKIM AND QUIT. NOW DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT IMPRESSION AND ACCUSE ME OF CREATING FIGMENTS IN MY BRAIN LIKE SOME KIND OF SOLIPSIST? You're just trying to cleverly insult me. This is not what I consider to be fun or useful for me or for you, but why didn't I realize this earlier when I first got a load of your attitude after realizing you were a republican?? I think I am getting something from this after all.
As far as your judging the strength of my "stance": I do not recognize you as an authority or judge of what constitutes a valid or adequately reasoned stance or opinion because of your evident posturing and jumping about just for kicks or to "win". You're either logical or not in this forum, which means the declaration that you don't care about something is not recognized as valid currency here. HOWEVER, IT CERTAINLY SEEMS YOU'RE SMART ENOUGH TO MAKE SUCH AN ASSESSMENT IF YOU WERE TO SINCERELY TRY TO DO SO. A discussion like this is only enjoyable when you're talking with someone honest enough to acknowledge when progress is made on an issue and humble enough to not clutter the discussion with bellicose tit-for-tats for EVERYTHING.
You're smart enough to teach me something, but I don't think that's one of your objectives. Maybe I've schooled you on human nature. Whatever. You haven't made any contribution here (DUHH... repubs with attitude like him don't seek to do that kind of thing.), and my opinions remain unchanged. You haven't won, and if I did anything good, you sure won't let me know, but I'm not seeking validation. I'm just seeking to bounce ideas off people who may disagree, but can respect. THE WHOLE WORLD SEEMS TO INCREASE ITS PEACE AND ELBOW ROOM WHEN PEOPLE OF DIFFERENCE EXPRESS A WELLNESS WITH AND UNDERSTANDING OF PEOPLE OF DIFFERENCE. Please consider that reddit may provide a function more significant than mental masturbation or debate calisthenics.
You stated that human nature demotivates people from helping others. You also said that those others would be in other countries, but I see no relevance to where they are, and I can't imagine you could either except other than a desire to disagree and be contrary.
No, it absolutely matters. Human nature means most people are far more willing to look out for "their group" and not other people's group. This doesn't just happen in countries, it happens in almost every situation where you can have more than one "group".
I have explained that, like, 20 times now. I don't know how you are still confused about it.
I countered by stating that it's YOUR human nature, which is basically the evidence you are a republican, which you haven't acknowledged. I expressed respect for your POV because you seem to have gotten there by honestly looking at yourself, but you haven't acknowledged this or your republicanism.
Because my republicanism or lack of republicanism is irrelevant. Remember the talk about labels we just had? It's just you trying to derail the subject into a republican vs liberal debate. I'm not having it. Whatever political party I fall into doesn't matter. Focus on what I'm saying here and now and don't try wasting time guess about what I might think about other things. It will provide absolutely nothing useful to the conversation.
I pointed out that there are significant numbers of people with an entirely different sense of how human nature is; as a result, there will selfless efforts going on.
Yeah, I never denied this. Here's the thing about it, though. These people already exist. They already have the freedom to act on those selfless impulses. World hunger continues.
Know why? Because there isn't ENOUGH of them. Many people, I'm probably safe to say MOST people, think that helping others is a good thing. They either think it's more important to help the people in their country first, OR they are just too caught up in their own lives/are too busy to be bothered with joining a help outreach program.
And you know what? That doesn't make them bad people. But the fact still remains that this wont change with the government. That way of thinking will remain regardless of whether the government is socialism, capitalism, communism, or any other ism you can think up of. And that's why things like world hunger exist. Government has very little to do with it. It's the people you have to get to do it, and they aren't going to do it in big enough numbers. Again, because if they WERE they already WOULD be. Nothing is stopping them from doing that RIGHT NOW.
THE COUNTRY DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY A ROLE IN SHOWING IT HAS A SOUL WHICH CARES FOR OTHERS.
Okay, like what? What kind of government would be better at outreach than a capitalist one?
You are not inclined to think that when people have more money to run off and have fun, they have one less motivation to remember people less fortunate than themselves, which is those very people in their midst.
This is a pretty weak argument. Your argument is basically "rich people are too busy having fun to think about poor people, so we should make them poorer so they can have less fun and maybe think about poor people more."
IS that your argument? Because if it is, should we could apply that logic to just about any kind of fun. Playing video games takes away time you could be spending thinking about the poor. Video games cause world hunger.
Nobody is trying to shut down american capitalism or even argue that it causes poverty;
The argument was made that it is one of the causes of world hunger, and that if there were a different government in place world hunger either would be solved or significantly reduced.
THAT is what I'm arguing against. My point is that no governmental switch outside of a dictatorship that demands it's citizens help other countries will ever make even a slight tiny dent in world hunger. Because the government is not what stops world hunger from being solves, the citizens are.
American socialism is a sorely needed thing.
How is that going to solve world hunger? Remember that is the topic we are discussing.
I SUGGESTED THAT YOU MIGHT BE SMARTER THAN I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.
That's not what "You struck me as smart at first" means. That's not an anti positivity filter, that's understanding how language works. Especially when you follow it up with the word "but".
"I thought it was raining today at first, but it turns out it's raining today."
That sentence makes no sense. Your full quote was "You struck me as smart at first, but you can't pass off the appearance of intelligence by saying non-sequiturs like that,"
Did you seriously hope I had just forgotten what you said? That was the worst attempt at back peddling I've ever seen.
but why didn't I realize this earlier when I first got a load of your attitude after realizing you were a republican??
There's another example of you trying to find something else to attack me on instead of my actual points. You have no idea what political leaning I am. You tacked that label onto me so you could attack it when you were up against the rails and couldn't respond to my actual points.
I do not recognize you as an authority or judge of what constitutes a valid or adequately reasoned stance or opinion because of your evident posturing and jumping about just for kicks or to "win".
Well, here's the thing about that. Your stance is valid or not regardless of who is arguing against it and for what reason. It literally has NO bearing on whether or stance is valid or not. The only thing that matters in that regard is your stance itself, and it doesn't hold up because of the reasons I listed. It would make NO difference if those reasons came from a logic professor, a child, or a dog.
You haven't made any contribution here
No? Are you sure? Seems a little odd that we have made it this far with nothing to talk about.
In fact, I'm the one trying so hard to keep the conversation on topic. You have tried to derail it again and again and again.
(DUHH... repubs with attitude like him don't seek to do that kind of thing.)
Ah! Like this here.
Another example of you attacking me instead of my points. And to make matters worse, you are attacking something about me that you just made up so you would have something to attack. Try to stay on topic. I told you repeatedly I'm not interested in your silly label game.
You haven't won,
It's not about winning or loosing. You clearly are taking this approach, not me. However I will say you cannot win until you at least respond to my points, and calling me a republican is not an example of you doing that, by the way.
I'm just seeking to bounce ideas off people who may disagree,
I would be more willing to believe you if you didn't almost immediately start screaming "your a republican" the second you started having your point challenged.
Ilubalu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:54 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it absolutely matters. Human nature means most people are far more willing to look out for "their group" and not other people's group.
We disagree on what "their group" is. You're saying americans will look out for ALL other americans, and I'm saying "Baloney". Consider how gun laws are tolerated because inner-city murders mostly involve blacks, which gun-rights activists seem to consider "not their people". Of course, they'll never say that. Consider the efforts to "reform" voting or keep marijuana illegal; those issues affect the poor and POCs more than anyone else because respectively speaking, they are the ones who have difficulty voting or are currently incarcerated for marijuana. Consider the refusal to improve Obamacare. Republicans want that because it doesn't hurt them. If Americans are one people, then it must not really love itself. That's why labels matter; it points out who is doing what, and it suggests what their thinking might be.
I have explained that, like, 20 times now. I don't know how you are still confused about it.
A thing is not true just because you have stated it. Likewise, you cannot state the parameters of acceptability. You can, of course, argue why a topic like domestic issues or labels are not relevant in your opinion.
Because my republicanism or lack of republicanism is irrelevant.
Republicanism as a concept is relevant because this is a discussion about human nature, and it has been observed that for dems, the welfare of others, domestic or not, has higher priority than it does for repubs. The labels serve to suggest what a person's nature is. Repubs, theoretically speaking, unite in their appreciation for human competence and the freedom to reap its rewards. That is a significant contribution. On the other hand, one of their central beliefs is that there must always be a loser. Some truly believe that sharing decreases the rich's ability to even survive. This is why labels are not outside of the scope of this discussion; they are central to it. I get that they bug you and that you'd prefer to not use them.
Focus on what I'm saying here
Directives? That doesn't work in reddit-world. As far as the focus of this discussion is concerned, if we can't agree on what the relevant issues are, we can't really go any farther. It's like going to a mechanic and stating that the sunlight is a factor in the interior heat, and he says it's not relevant because he can't fix the sun. Time to find another mechanic. No, I am not suggesting that you or I are playing some kind of service role here. I'm not the mechanic, nor are you. However, a disagreement over something very fundamental in this discussion of the poor appears to be at play here.
And that's why things like world hunger exist. Government has very little to do with it. It's the people you have to get to do it, and they aren't going to do it in big enough numbers.
We agree that (1) hunger will exist, (2) individuals can and will act on it, and (3) there won't be enough of them to make significant impact. What we disagree on is whether or not gov't has a role in exerting its significant influence on it. Obviously, I believe it does, and you don't. It's a classic debate happening all the time in the US House and Senate, and I'm glad our discussion has succeeded in rising to that level.
Your argument is basically "rich people are too busy having fun to think about poor people, so we should make them poorer so they can have less fun and maybe think about poor people more."
I didn't say that at all. I did say that wealth indeed does provide a temptation to shirk one's responsibilities to others. I say that honestly after observing in myself that when I'm having a great time, it's easier to keep the party going than to do the humbling work of helping even friends and family with tasks like cleaning up a house, painting a room, or fixing a plumbing problem. A lot of wisdom can be found by getting to know oneself. You can't get to know everybody that way, but it's a really good start.
The argument was made that it is one of the causes of world hunger, and that if there were a different government in place world hunger either would be solved or significantly reduced.
I think you know I didn't make that argument.
My point is that no governmental switch outside of a dictatorship...
There is no "switch". Besides, we disagree on the role gov't can play and the extent to which it can or should wield an influence in any country, and I think we should leave it at that.
How is that going to solve world hunger? Remember that is the topic we are discussing.
Again, we disagree on what the relevant terms are. Seems to me there is enough evidence that many in the USA wish to either neglect or deport the not-like-thems in their midst. That's why domestic hunger/poverty/etc. is relevant. If you disagree, then again, the mechanic analogy.
That's not what "You struck me as smart at first" means. That's not an anti positivity filter, that's understanding how language works.
You are correct. That sentence you have in quotes does indeed not pass on a compliment. However, the sentence I typed after that certainly did. I typed a thought to myself which was "Maybe this guy meant to say that, and I didn't pick up on the clever thing he was trying to pull off." That was a compliment to you.
That was the worst attempt at back peddling I've ever seen.
I'm not back pedaling anything. Evidence you didn't get it is the fact that your bolded quote of my text didn't include the relevant part I referred to just above.
up against the rails
Is that what you're after? Are you trying to make me think I've been overcome somehow? As I said at the end of my last message, nothing about my viewpoint has changed, and I haven't learned anything except that maybe I should point out to myself earlier when I'm dealing with someone who appears more interested in being pugnacious instead of getting anywhere in our understandings or disagreements, which can bear the fruit of realizing respect, which makes any world more comfortable to live in. Furthermore, you may still think everybody in america is looking out for all americans. If you still think that, we're really not getting anywhere.
couldn't respond to my actual points
Maybe a more accurate way to put it is to say that you decided to not address the issues I considered relevant. Mechanic analogy.
It would make NO difference if those reasons came from a logic professor, a child, or a dog.
I disagree. A "stance" or viewpoint or opinion is as strong as the evidence and logic supporting it IMO. In reddit-world, the only authority is logic and evidence. Nobody can shut down someone else because they declare they don't care or that they call somebody elaborate insulting names. That's why I like reddit. Nobody can dominate on the basis of how loud or ugly they want to get or how many friends they have.
it doesn't hold up because of the reasons I listed
I made it clear I don't see your reasons as valid. Instead of referring to them dogmatically - again a thing that just doesn't work on reddit - you'd do better to try them again a different way or with more examples or evidence.
Another example of you attacking me instead of my points.
Yes, your character did seem to become relevant when I noticed (1) it looked like you weren't really trying and (2) you tried to squeeze an insult and the suggestion that you were dominating in this discussion in every other response line (those "bellicose tit-for-tats for EVERYTHING" that I mentioned).
You're saying americans will look out for ALL other americans, and I'm saying "Baloney".
No I'm not, and you're derailing the conversation again. Why is it so hard for you to stay on topic?
This only proves my point all the more anyway. If we have different groups in America itself (which I pointed out when I said it isn't just countries) that tend to look out for each other, it is just that much of a bigger leap to talk about helping other countries groups.
That's why labels matter;
They don't matter this specific subject. And they certainly don't matter to this subject when you make up one for someone else and then continue to attack that label YOU placed on them.
This conversation isn't about labels. Stop trying to bring it back around to that.
A thing is not true just because you have stated it.
But you aren't even arguing against my points. It took you this long to actually acknowledge the "group" part of the conversation, which has been the entire point of the conversation since the beginning. That's what I mean when I say I don't know why you aren't getting it. You don't seem to be getting what my point is because we have gone this far and you have only JUST NOW acknowledged the main driving point that has been made since the beginning.
Republicanism as a concept is relevant because this is a discussion about human nature, and it has been observed that for dems, the welfare of others, domestic or not, has higher priority than it does for repubs.
We aren't talking about which political party likes helping other people more. Stay on topic.
The labels serve to suggest what a person's nature is.
We aren't talking about my or your nature right now. Stay on topic.
Also, you can know my nature by what I'm telling you about this subject and this subject only. Which is fine, because my views on this subject and this subject only are the only ones that are relevant to this subject.
I get that they bug you and that you'd prefer to not use them.
No, they are irrelevant to this topic. It "bugs" me that you are refusing to actually talk about what we are suppose to be talking about and instead seem to INSIST on turning the conversation into a debate about political parties. And you can't use them anyway, because you don't know anything about me other than what you have imagined up in your head.
if we can't agree on what the relevant issues are, we can't really go any farther.
Sure we can, that's what debates and discussion is all about. I mean, we clearly don't agree, so how have we made it this far?
I think you know I didn't make that argument.
I don't know if it was you at the start, but the argument was made that world hunger exists because of Capitalism. That means that without it, world hunger would either be much less or removed. THAT is what I have been refuting since the beginning.
Seems to me there is enough evidence that many in the USA wish to either neglect or deport the not-like-thems in their midst.
Okay, so how would this attitude change without Capitalism?
That sentence you have in quotes does indeed not pass on a compliment.
It does more than just not pass as a compliment, it's an insult. It's literally saying "I thought you were smart at first, but then you said this and so now I know you aren't actually smart." Don't try to wiggle your way out of this one. And given the fact that it starts with that sentiment, I took the rest of the "maybe you meant something else" as sarcasm, which it obviously was.
As I said at the end of my last message, nothing about my viewpoint has changed,
And? Whether you change your viewpoint or not doesn't matter. If you can't refute the opponents points you loose. You have consistently been using your label for me as a reason to dodge talking about the actual points and instead using it to make up stuff about me you have no actual way to know so you can talk about that instead because you can't respond to my points.
Maybe a more accurate way to put it is to say that you decided to not address the issues I considered relevant.
They aren't relevant and I explained why they weren't relevant. Here's what's relevant to this topic.
"Would a different form of government help solve world hunger? Why or why not?"
That is literally the only question that is relevant to what we are talking about. Not republicans or liberals, not which of the two deserves respect, not racism in America, not anything else you have been filling the posts with. You are all over the place. Just answer THAT ONE QUESTION, it's the entire topic of the conversation. Nothing else.
A "stance" or viewpoint or opinion is as strong as the evidence and logic supporting it IMO.
Yes, that's my point. It's as strong as the actual argument. The person who presents the argument is irrelevant. Assuming it was the same argument all three times, it would be exactly as valid coming from a dog as it would coming from a child or a logic professor.
I made it clear I don't see your reasons as valid.
Then you need to combat the reasons, not just claim they aren't valid.
Yes, your character did seem to become relevant
Well, here's you mistake. It's not. At no point is my personal character relevant to this topic.
Ilubalu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:47 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just answer THAT ONE QUESTION, it's the entire topic of the conversation. Nothing else.
A family enters a restaurant. The wife points out there's a black speck in the salt shaker. She asks the question, "What is that black speck, and how did it get in there?" The husband, meanwhile notices a robbery taking place in the pawn shop across the street and the fact that the restaurant's biker-gang patrons have all risen to their feet. He responds to the wife by asking, "Maybe the question we should be asking is what are the reasons this part of town - or any part of any town - continues to be run down and its businesses consistently low-performing?"
The wife frowns, and declares, "That's not what this talk is about! Stay on topic! This is about THAT speck in THAT salt shaker!!!!
The husband then wonders how he could have ever married a wife who is both dogmatic AND narrow-minded in her thinking. He replied, "If you can't see the relevance of the neighborhood, we're not going to get anywhere especially with you giving directives and acting like you're an authority." IMO, your behavior has disqualified you, and I'm done here. I think it's time we got a divorce. This isn't going anywhere productive, and I think your lack of respect is a big part of this. The wife's eyes got large. She said, "But you never stay on topic. Stay on the topic!!!! You're all over the place!!!" The husband rolled his eyes. He replied, "I know that a narrow scope may suit a university professor. After all, it makes grading easier if you first define the target, but that's not the way anybody can solve real-world problems - by defining a box and commanding others to stay in it. Why not try sincerely considering what others bring to the table? That's respect in action. He said, "I'll be in the car", and left.
No disrespect intended in making you the wife. It was simply convenient for the analogy.
GeekCat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:41:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! American food waste is so high starting in the field all the way to our homes.
I live in an area that has tons of farms that do family fruit picking and pumpkin picking. It's sad to see so much bruised fruit or fruit on the ground going to waste.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The oceans will no longer have edible fish by 2050 which feeds a third of the globe, and just because we have enough to feed people right now doesn't mean that this many people are sustainable
Yep, definitely. It just weirds me out that some people on reddit subscribe to a theory that people need to be wiped out by some event for population to go down when it's well known that populations will stabilize and go down when a country develops. I don't think our population will fully start going down until some time like 2040 or something? So, yes that's another problem that needs planning to be dealt with.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except we do. The United States alone does a huge amount of that with government subsidies and various food programs. The problem is that dictatorships hoard the resources, and they do not have systems to motivate their own populations to produce for themselves.
cold26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to insult you but wow what the fuck did I just read. Our government subsidies and food programs don't even cover all of the hunger and food insecurity in America, much less anywhere else in the world. I'm going to make a short reach and assume you mean places like Venezuela when you say dictatorship... which couldn't be more wrong. 40 tons of food and medicine to be distributed to the people of Venezuela was burnt by right-wing, US backed opposition, so it's laughable to say that America cares about hunger and "dictators" don't. Other way around bro
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Venezuelan Government.
Please don't report me. I don't have a picture of the Dear Leader in this room currently but I'll fix it as soon as I can push a wheelbarrow full of worthless fiat currency to the local resource distribution hub. Was gonna buy bread but meh.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:49:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't take long to draw out the cussing and hate.
cold26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ญ so much for the tolerant left ๐ญ
The kind of ideas that you're spreading, which have zero founding in reality, lead to bullshit against the actual Venezuelan people like sanctions and American military invasion. Don't act like you care about the issue if you're just going to parrot US propaganda that justifies their violence. I encourage you to read news sources that aren't funded or controlled by US/imperialist countries.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:27:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a totally reasonable and unbiased person with no hatred for the United States. I'm certain I can rely upon you to properly inform my views of international politics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:52:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You openly hate the US, but are complaining about bias and all that.
The US is so horrible that everyone's trying to get here, and everyone comes to us with their hand out begging for resources, and when there is a natural disaster we are the first ones there.
But go stew in your hate. I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. Just seems kinda...sad.
its sad because we easily have the resources and man power to do it now... but instead our top countries are focused on lip injections, arresting people, and celebrity while we have people who don't have enough water to survive on the other side of the planet
Either they mean it in a very general way, in which case it is a meaningless statement, or they mean it more literally, in which case it is just nonsense.
Weigh13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So completely altering and controlling the evolution of life on the planet?
As if access to food is the only condition necessary for reproduction...
Weigh13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, evolution is a lot more complicated and actually requires that species not make it and be forced to adapt or die. If humans actively tried to sustain all life on the planet they would do much more harm. They would evolve dependancy on humans in all animals they "saved". The actual species would die out and be replaced by demosticated versions living in whatever eco system we deemed "healthy".
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:24:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like communism to me. Don't you know only some people are entitled to the earth's natural resources?
The problem is the population just keeps growing and growing. If the world can comfortably feed 50 billion people, were going to end up with 50.5 billion.
Or if someone has more than like 2 or 3 kids, everyone be really mean to those people and don't let those later kids into college or society or whatever. I'm only half joking
That's the half joking part. The point is that there has to be some harsh negative consequence, social or otherwise, to having too many damn kids, but who knows what that would be or whether people could stomach it.
mr_ji ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The link does not support your claim, it shows the "medium" predicted population continuing to grow past 2100. Yes, the rate of increase is expected to decrease and level off, but the population would still be growing.
A 2014 paper by demographers from several universities and the United Nations Population Division forecast that the world's population will reach about 10.9 billion in 2100 and continue growing thereafter.
Try reading your own source next time (or just looking at the pictures, honestly).
I doubt the planet can even hold 50 billion people.
Current estimates put the population at 9.5 billion by 2050 which is already causing lots of international organisations to input sustainability programs on countries that are experiencing (or will experience) large positive influxes in population; Africa, for example, is set for the largest increase of 1.1 billion currently to 2.4 billion by 2050 and whilst most countries will stabilise and shrink in population size by that point (including China even), there will still be a huge, ongoing talking point in the near future in regards to food sustainability during this century that should be happening at a faster point than it is now, in my opinion.
Just throwing a number out there. The thing is, we could feed everyone right now. We don't have a problem with not enough food, we have a problem of getting the food to everyone who needs it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:31:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How on earth is that going to be possible though? You can't really sustain EVERY living thing on earth and still survive. Even the first cities tore down trees to build houses.
Yeaaa, really surprised so many people support this thought. Sounds nice I guess, but an extremely naive thing to wish for. People should watch nature documentaries every once in a while.
This isn't even a far fetched goal. But currently our dominant societal system runs with a serious distribution problem when it comes to resources. Wasting them massively, hoarding them in ridiculous excess amounts for individuals or small groups of people so that they do not benefit the global population, even a simple opinion, by the people who possess the power to control distribution, that personal gain is more important than the lives of others and so resources aren't put where they should be.
If wealth was evenly distributed all humans and most mammals will have shelter and food. If giant corporations push for progress rather than profits (looking at you big Oil), then we would already have emissionless cars running on electric.
To put it this way, the total wealth and resources of the world is still enough to ensure everyone has a roof over their heads with enough food and water. Unfortunately, the 1% hold on to about half of the world's wealth and assets. As their wealth grows, more and more people are growing up in poverty, yet they continue to fill their pockets.
So really, it isn't that humans arent capable of self sustainability. The Native Americans have been doing it forever after all. It's the greed and corruption around the world that divides the haves and the have not.
Louie C.K said it perfectly, "never look over your neighbors fence to see if he has more, look over to see if he has enough" or something along the lines of that. This idea is the exact opposite of consumerism, just because your neighbor bought a new Benz doesn't mean you need one too. Instead, worry about Little Timmy next door who's mother is working two jobs to sustain themselves. Perhaps(if you have the means) you can donate some of your extra food to them.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:06:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quit eating meat, or eat less meat. The livestock population is insanely huge, which taxes resources and is unsustainable.
barracuz ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:01:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah then we can instead use pastures to grow lentils nonstop
That'll teach all those fat-cats who don't know the real /r/frugaljerk
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can stop clear cutting the rainforest for new pasture land. We can let much of the existing pasture land do whatever it wants because we won't need it.
You do know that most meat doesn't come from cows grazing on pastures, right? It's cows crowded in a barn being fed corn.
Lab made meat is becoming much much cheaper to create which may be a major remediation to this problem.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:26:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are already plenty of amazing alternatives. They're never good enough for someone who isn't willing to change. Lab grown meat won't be good enough either. And while everyone's waiting around for it, there goes climate change, and everyone's refusing to lift a finger for it because BAACON.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are already plenty of amazing alternatives
"Amazing" is subjective. It's good that you find them amazing. I find them palatable, but plenty of people find them completely awful. And that's OK.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not all meat alternatives are fake meat products. Sometimes it's well prepared vegetables that become the hero of the meal.
Regardless, people are placing a taste preference above the welfare of the planet.
People will always place their own pleasure over the welfare of the planet or of animals, or of anything. The comments here are indicative of this selfish attitude. But steak tho amirite lol I luv meat, etc. People know the environmental impact but they don't care.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people are placing a taste preference above the welfare of the planet.
As is their right.
There are plenty of ways to address the welfare of the planet besides ending all meat consumption.
Not all meat alternatives are fake meat products. Sometimes it's well prepared vegetables that become the hero of the meal.
That changes nothing about what he/she said, though. They never said anything about fake meat products. They simply said not everyone considers the alternatives to be amazing, which is true. This can include fake meat, or vegetables, or what have you.
You are not going to have an easy time convincing people to eat the way you think they should by coming at it from "If I like it, you must like it to."
Regardless, people are placing a taste preference above the welfare of the planet.
There is nothing inherently damaging to the planet about eating meat. There are plenty of ways to curb that damage without going vegan.
SOBWAW ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:58:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I should become a vegan and start doing crossfit? Oh by the way everyone, I am now a vegan and do crossfit.
They raise a good point. Livestock is awful for our environment. Pour money into lab grown meat but actual livestock is shit for the environment. If you want to see a more sustainable future cutting meat out from your diet is the way to go. Even making it more of a treat instead of a main course would be preferable.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:01:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please. Like vegans and crossfitters are more annoying than meat eaters. lol. "BUUUT BAAAACOON!"
Holding a glass of bacon-flavoured vodka, wearing his I Heart Bacon shirt and bacon scented perfume while cooking up some bacon: "when will vegans stop being so over the top"
The idea that you think the outspokenness of these groups is in any way comparable is confusing
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:23:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's perspective. Try being a vegan for a while and see how annoying meat eaters are. You'll be surprised.
The other day, I was minding my own business, eating veggie fajitas at a bar. The guy next to me asks what I'm eating and I say veggie fajitas. He says "no offense, but if someone gave me that, I'd be pissed!"
Another time, I was at a fair and a vendor was selling vegan corn dogs. Someone walked by, read the sign, and very loudly said "Vegan corn dogs! EEEEWWWW!" She didn't even try them.
When I read the paper, there's restaurant reviews every week for restaurants that serve meat. The one time they review a vegan restaurant, all of the comments are about how vegans are fighting a culture war and trying to shove veganism down everyone's throats. mmmkay, I don't remember vegans making comments like that. Nobody's forcing you to go there. And it's not like that's not the exact thing you're doing right now, but whatever.
I can go on. So can every other vegan. You think vegans are annoying. Try seeing it from our side.
I get that you're defensive because you've had bad experiences but try re-reading my comment without adding context I've had nothing to do with.
I didn't say anything about anyone being annoying. I didn't even say OP was wrong.
I feel like I'm the customer who comes into a store and asks the guy working there the same question 40 other customers asked already today - that dude is going to be annoyed as hell at having to answer the same question 40 times but fuck if I know or had anything to do with all the other people that asked it.
Darko33 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like labeling all meat eaters as "annoying" is probably a little unfair. The vast majority of meat eaters I know (myself included) don't care at all what other people choose to eat or not eat. Same goes for most vegans I know, too, incidentally.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When did I label all meat eaters as annoying?
Darko33 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seemed like "see how annoying meat eaters are" is painting with a pretty broad brush
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The context was defending vegans because of a 'lol annoying vegans' joke.
People in general will assume that those perceived to be holding themselves to higher standards would be aggressive / insulting towards them. In other words, just hearing somebody is a vegan will make people assume they're asshats.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is actually an externalization of your own self-judgment.
When I became less judgmental (including toward myself) and more of a go-with-the-flow guy, I seemed to have magically stopped finding vegans annoying.
Savitarr ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:36:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please. Vegans are all like "BUUUT KAAAALEEE" "BUT THE ENVIRONMENT" "BUT ANIMALS"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Livestock is mostly fed things humans could eat that was grown on land suitable for other plants as well.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except there would be way less mono-crop agriculture as well if everyone was on a plant-based diet. Something like 60% of crops in the US is being fed to livestock.
Baadec ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if we also all collectively decided we are okay with only producing what we need to sustain our species rather than constantly creating more than we need to feed an ever growing population. Since that is unlikely, all the crops that are currently used to feed livestock would be repurposed to just feed us directly.
Full agriculture is unsustainable no matter if it's livestock or monocrop. That system must be abandoned.
We'd have to control overpopulation first, the problem being a combination of it being taboo to discuss and people being too complacent/selfish/assholish to have maybe just one or two or no kids instead of like 5 or 12.
They technically can now but don't want to because that would mean working with others and sharing things instead of squeezing every dollar they can out of everything.
areels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if this goes against the normal planetary cycles of warming and cooling? Not trolling at all I just wonder sometimes the moral implications of humans trying to change what earth is naturally doing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are able to already, in fact we are better off than any other living thing in the planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already had that for millions of years. Be careful though, you might not like how we get there.
I was imagining yesterday that we might build orbital plantations. Ship up soil water and seeds, drop down food. Entire platforms of efficient monoculture growing the plants we like, while the dirt down on Earth can go back to doing it's diversity thing.
How do you do that when living things eat/consume other living things? You don't think that humans have already sustained themselves on the planet?
We've been around for a fairly long time and since our inception haven't really relinquished any ground on the food chain totem pole. In fact some would argue we've removed ourselves from the food chain which I would consider the ultimate sustenance.
Sustainable in what way? In that it exists? Mars is sustainable as well, it has no life at all. In that sense with or without humans the earth is still sustainable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. A population of 50 billion is also sustainable if you look at it from the very long run. The earth is going anywhere for a while.
Edit: what does a planet in good health even mean? The planet is what the planet is, it's not sentient
mjk05d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. We're already running out of fish in the ocean and phosphorous in the soil trying to feed our current population.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, I exaggerated.
I just don't really get talking objectively about the planets "good health". I understand talking about its health relative to humans, fish, and other life. The planet has gone through many many drastic shifts in climate and life forms, so our impact on it is just another instance of that, no?
I just think a voluntary extinction movement is kinda dumb.
audigex ยท 584 points ยท Posted at 14:51:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually in 2017 it probably will: modern antiretroviral drugs can suppress HIV for decades.
HIV is still pretty crappy, but it's not the death sentence it once was: most HIV deaths nowadays are people who's illness had already progressed to AIDS before the modern drugs became widely available, or people who still don't have access to them.
I'll try to dig up the stats, but assuming it's accurate (and I make no promises), I read recently that a child born with HIV now has as much chance of dying from a car accident or heart disease, as from HIV-related causes of death. I mean, any of those would suck: but you're getting into "normal lifespan, if you're unlucky" territory
This is true. My wife is an Infectious Disease doc, and runs an HIV clinic one day a week. Most of her job in the clinic is managing all of the other medical issues these folks have. The current drugs are doing an amazing job.
st0ney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe your wife can confirm what my best friend (a physician) told me: HIV is now viewed as a long term chronic illness like diabetes, Chrons, and others. Its manageable and a "normal" lifespan is expected.
It still ruins your life, though. Good luck finding someone who is willing to date a HIV positive person.
audigex ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's also becoming more common, although I agree it does make a huge difference to many areas of quality of life, including not being able to work certain jobs etc.
But those same antiretrovirals can reduce the virus count in blood(/other important fluids for a relationship) down to literally undetectable levels, making the risk of infection almost zero.
Now of course, there are significantly fewer people for whom "almost zero" is good enough, so it's still an issue, but it does happen.
I mean, I'm not recommending you go contract HIV, it's just not as big a deal as it used to be, at least in terms of reduced lifespan
My dad just got married last year and has been a doctor for 10+, I believe he's tested + for about a decade as well. Things are just better now that we have a good grasp on what it it and are no longer just dismissing it as "the gay disease"
Such ignorance needs to be eliminated. People with undetectable viral loads can not transmit the virus. PrEP is also available for HIV-negative people and it's nearly 100% effective in preventing transmission when taken daily. End the stigma.
Orisi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:09:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhh no.
Look, I'm not denying anything you've said at all. But my fiancee has an implant that makes her just as unlikely to get pregnant. Doesn't change the fact that while it's a statistical longshot it's not impossible.
Factor into that the idea that you become reliant on constant effective use of oral medications, both for yourself and your partner, to severely reduce (but not eliminate) your chances of transmission.
It's not a stigma to say to someone "I don't wanna take that risk with you." And there's nothing wrong with them saying it, because that's their right.
You are wrong. Undetectable = untransmittable at the clinical level. There has never been a case of an undetectable person infecting a partner when they take their drugs correctly and there are no other STIs present.
Orisi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:56 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHEN THEY TAKE THEIR DRUGS CORRECTLY is my entire point.
For some people, they're not willing to enter into a relationship with someone who they are going to have to immediately implicitly trust to manage their medication perfectly, for their own safety.
You know how they say if men don't want kids they should always wear a condom even if their partner is on contraceptives? Same deal. But forever. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to take that risk on a new relationship when there are other HIV- people out there they could also date.
Then you're not talking about statistics, are you? You're talking about adherence, which is an entirely different issue.
Orisi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:40 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stigma isn't about how transmissible it is when everyone takes their meds. It's about the fact it CAN be transmitted. Period. And that avoiding this inherently requires a level of trust in an individual living up to certain standards.
I mean, it can be transmitted by the โHIV-โ, provided that their adherence to PrEP or luck/condoms arenโt all up to snuff. In fact, the likelihood of a hiv-gay man seroconversion is actually higher than the likelihood of a seasoned undetectable experiencing treatment failure. This insanity absolutely has to stop. U=U. Any attempt to add qualifications that distract from that only reflects stigma.
As far as i know we know have drugs that allow people with aids/hiv to live long enough to die of a different reason and that people with aids/hiv can have a baby without the child having hiv.
So we cannot cure people with hiv/aids but we can prevent that hiv/aids spreads to new people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your odds of dying with HIV rather than dying of HIV are getting better all the time now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except no one wants it, so getting married once you have HIV is pretty much impossible, and having fully consensual sex is also a thing of the past, so what is the point in living like that anyway?
audigex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shitty grammar, I meant the lifespan of perhaps an unlucky normal person
Although there's some evidence that, due to being so heavily monitored, HIV sufferers may actually be gaining longevity because other health issues are being picked up on much earlier
Well, as it is there are drugs in the market where if you want to have a child and you have AIDS/HIV, the drugs make it possible that the baby will not be born with it,
HIV drugs right now are actually pretty good at suppressing the virus, as well as preventing it from spreading to other people,
Not true. Being on PrEP REQUIRES routine testing. Superbugs are caused by hand sanitizers, over prescribing antibiotics, and anti-bacterial soap. People who are on PrEP because they don't want to use condoms wouldn't be using condoms anyway.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:52:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
b o i
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I read somewhere that babies born with HIV oftentimes just sort of... Stop having it. Like the flu. But you'll have to take this pasta dry because I'm too lazy to provide a sauce.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think only one or two babies have ever been cured of HIV. You gotta catch it early in the pregnancy.
Honestly as far as I'm concerned this already exists. Sure you have to take your meds every day, but the expected lifespan of an HIV patient is greater than the average lifespan.
Sounds crazy right? It's because HIV patients are subject to higher levels of medial scrutiny, and since the medication works perfectly - the only impact on lifespan having HIV has comes from the fact that you go to the doctor more often and get more tests done which end up catching unrelated issues.
I'm an HIV medical case manager. Access is actually very easy in the US, with a slight exception to very rural areas. But there are programs in place to cover anyone's HIV medications, antibiotics, and Iabs if they want them.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine is a one time cost though, unlike a drug that has to be taken for the rest of your life (like HIV meds). And we already have affordable vaccines for plenty of diseases. How do you think smallpox was eradicated?
Well, not really. Some pathogens evolve too fast for a vaccine to work permanently. That's why we have flu shots every year.
I'm not sure how fast a retrovirus like HIV changes.
Nevertheless, having a method to make HIV vaccines, even if you have to make a new one every year, and make them affordable, would be leaps forward for medicine.
The goal with an HIV vaccine is to make it so your body learns to recognize a buried highly conserved region of the virus that doesn't change quickly like the flu does. It would be very difficult for the virus to evolve to not have that region.
So if you live somewhere with good access to healthcare you are telling me it might be a good idea for me to get HIV/AIDs so i can go to the doctor a lot a bit longer?
The_Joe_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In America doctors have been quoted to say that they would rather have HIV than diabetes.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:00:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not America or Doctor but work in infectious diseases. Yes, easily. HIV would have massively fewer consequences to my life than diabetes. Take some drugs (with most likely unnoticeable side effect) every morning. Be a bit more careful having sex. Stop giving blood.
That's kinda it.
(People have pointed out the massive stigma around it as a consequence, which sadly is still the case. It's easy for me to say, in my life it would be fine, but the huge stigma around it would be awful even with living in a major western liberal city, having relatively supportive friends and with me in a stable relationship. For those who are in other communities it could be a nightmare. So yeah, my bad for not saying what should be so obvious.)
Can confirm. Where I'm from HIV/AIDS is the most frightening ailment a person could contract, probably even worse than just straight up dying. Honestly I would pick diabetes over HIV if given the choice. Even while the treatment might be easier, the social stigma is incomparable and is probably one of the most frightening aspects of contracting HIV for me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, totally this. It's easy in the UK with first world healthcare, and were it's not got the stigma among at least some groups. Other parts of the world would be terrible to have it.
I'm queer. I would rather have diabetes because I won't become a social pariah. I'm already disabled, so being chronically Ill doesn't scare me. Having a disease that makes people afraid to touch or even love me terrifies me.
I was going to give examples of lots of hot hiv+ people but I realised all the ones I can think of are married.
Akitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would probably prefer diabetes. "Be a bit more careful having sex"? This is presuming you can find people comfortable having sex with someone HIV positive, which is a bit of a long shot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but for me personally, in a long term committed relationship with a partner who understands HIV, with proper healthcare access to HIV drugs that means the virus would be undetectable, would be fine.
If you're on treatment for HIV and responding to the treatment as normal and you're careful having sex, you shouldn't be able to pass on the virus.
Also, diabetes sucks.
gurgle94 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Physician Assistant here. Yeah, HIV medications are terrific for log term survival. They do come with a significant side effect profile too, which can cause other health problems (most notably cardiovascular disease). However, life expectancy is significantly increased and conversion of HIV to AIDS is diminished with these medications. The most notable problem with these medications is that they must be taken in a combination of 3 in order to be effective, and failure to take any of the combination for even as little as 2-3 days may result in the virus becoming resistant to all 3 meds. While a terrific step forward, I would love to see more development of such medications that improves on these weaknesses.
You make a great point with medical scrutiny as well. One of the best ways for anyone to stay healthy is regular follow up with his/her primary care provider for proactive care.
Edit: fixed wording involving resistance risk caused by non-adherence
geckahn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best med out at the moment, Genvoya, is one pill a day. And has pretty much no side effects. It uses the new tenofivir formulation that gets rid of the long term osteoporosis side effect.
And Before that came out Atripla was very popular, also once a day. Did have serious side effects for some people though. There are a few more once a days. So really what you want is already here
Yeah, just looked it up on my medscape app. It looks like a good med. I'm not an ID specialist, so I'm not always aware of these combination meds.
It looks good, though. Based on the data from medscape, it looks like it may have a low risk of serious hypercholesterolemia, but at a 7% chance or so, that isn't so bad. Do you know if the price for genvoya is reasonable or not?
geckahn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 30k a year. Pretty typical for an in patent HIV regimen. So obviously you'll need insurance or ADAP
Yeah, insurance is a must for most things. Considering the combination itself, 30k is about on par with other regimens. Thanks for the heads up, I learned about some new combination meds today.
DialMMM ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:34:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
failure to take any of the combination for even as little as 2-3 days will result in the virus becoming immune to all 3 meds
Not a physician assistant here calling bullshit on this.
Any particular reason? This is how I learned it in school, and I confirmed this with an infectious disease doc I worked with. I'd be interested in what source you have to that effect.
DialMMM ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is fear-mongering to prevent idiots from creating HIVDR.
HIVDR does exist, and limits treatment options in patients that need therapy. HAART (highly active antiretroviral therapy) relies on a combination of meds (or combination meds like genvoya, as someone pointed out) in order for therapy to be effective. As a result, failure to take one for even 2-3 days can lead to the virus becoming resistant to the regimen and all three drugs being useless for that patient and anyone who would get that patient's particular strain of virus.
It is to prevent HIVDR, but failure to consistently take a regimen does, to my knowledge, result in the virus rapidly developing resistance to the medications being used. I don't think I would call it fear mongering, since there doesn't seem to be any deliberate misinformation involved.
DialMMM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cite a case where someone didn't take one of the three drugs in regimen for three days and the virus became HIVDR. I am not saying HIVDR isn't a thing, I am saying the chances of it happening in three days because of cessation of one drug are pretty close to zero. You said it will happen, when in actuality there is a tiny chance that it might happen. That is fear-mongering.
Can't find a specific case for you, just that both the NIH and WHO strongly recommend daily compliance and note poor adherence to treatment as the most significant contributor to resistance. That being said, I agree that saying "will" is a misstatement. However, I've spoken with a specialist who treats HIV that states failure to take the medication for more than 2-3 days will prompt them to switch therapy for fear of HIVDR developing.
It was a longer post, and you're right that saying "will" as a definite is an overstatement. It's still risky enough that adherence is taken very seriously, however.
there are more and more developments that would make just the simple process of taking your continuing medication easier. Right now a lot of the development I've seen has been getting the medicine into an easier to administer form, such as an injection you receive once every other month from your doctor, and eventually you can get it once a year after continued administration.
I think that unlike say Hep C (which we can now cure 99% of) the, "we can technically cure you" is the route HIV will go and has been going in the modern world. Are you "cured" if by taking a pill the virus is undetectable and probably can't be transferred. What if we have an advanced enough vaccine where you can administer it once every five years and basically cures you or makes you immune from HIV. Put that in everyone's routine of flu shots and everything else.
Speaking from experience this is very true, I take 3 pills every day and it gives me a bit of vertigo about an hour after I take them, and that is pretty much it.
I take them just before bed the same time every night so the only thing it really affects is that if I've been gaming instead of going to bed when I should I get the vertigo and head to bed then. So it has actively stabilized my sleep schedule. Quite the unexpected benefit to being diagnosed with HIV I have to admit.
I would love for a cure to be developed of course (fingers crossed for CRISPR), but I'm in no great hurry :)
Neato ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:38:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nd since the medication works perfectly - the only impact on lifespan
What about quality of life? I take a small dose of medications and the side effects can be pretty discomforting. Also this would be called a treatment instead of a cure.
It doesn't currently exist but the pieces are falling into place. Due to how damn difficult it is to eradicate a pathogen that your body codes for like any other gene, it's about as difficult as something like Cystic Fibrosis to 'cure'.
That said, the theoretical steps that you need to take are being done at least on an in vitro level with the advent of CRISPR/Cas9 being used to treat infectious disease and genetic abnormalities alike.
In my mind, a functional bonafide cure would look something like this:
Person who tests positive is put on anti-retrovirals ASAP to bring titers to zero and prevent further corruption of immune cells already in circulation.
Use CRISPR/Cas9 to excise and remove 'functional' viral genome from as many of those already-infected immune cells as possible.
Use tools that induce targeted apoptosis (cell death) in those cells that have HIV genomes but cannot be 'saved'
Voila! That is what a functional cure might look like. Each of the above steps has been done to some degree in a lab currently. The fine-tuning of each could take a long time, however, and combination therapy even longer, potentially. But it's no longer a hand-waivey 'magic' therapy we haven't dreamt up anymore.
Sure, but HIV meds aren't without adverse effects. Not to mention the cost of lifelong care and treatment. Prevention (including a potential vaccine) is better than lifelong treatment.
aLurchi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:01:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is hard to believe. Do you have any source for that?
If true, it might just as well be because most people get infected as an adult and the expected lifespan of an adult is greater than the average lifespan.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An infected individual is expected to visit the doctor 3-4 times a year and have bloodwork done each time.
Because of this, alongside the requirement for a better diet and mindset, HIV patients are expected to live longer because those doctor visits will catch any problems with the patient's health.
aLurchi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I understand the point he made, I'm just inclined not to believe that. However, a good source could change that.
And I assume we are talking about rich people? Because so far both of you didn't say otherwise.
Honestly as far as I'm concerned this already exists...
Unfortunately no. People on those meds have myriad of meds related issues and problems, and it doesn't stop all the symptoms of HIV. My friend, for example, lost function of his kidneys due to some HIV related thing that affect black people only. He has to do 3 hour dialysis every day... which has it's own medical complications.
Other friends have significant HIV drug related bone-loss... and on and on really. It's not an easy road getting HIV, still. There needs to be a vaccine.
Your friends most likely took a drug that contained the old formulations of tenofovir. For what it's worth, the new formulation that is currently being used in the most popular HIV drugs like Genvoya are much less toxic to kidneys and bones.
That's not incorrect, but if you take the pill every day those complications are greatly minimized. The vast majority of patients who are adherent become virally suppressed and generally their CD4 counts will move into normal range. It's become an extremely manageable disease, and the drugs are becoming better and better to lessen the side effects.
Oh please don't spread this. HIV patients who receive treatment are also getting cancer a lot more often amd have to take a cocktail of drugs with nasty side effects for the rest of their lives. If you don't have insurance coverage for it, your life expectancy isn't that great. HIV / AIDS still kills millions yearly across the world, most infected don't have access to treatment and often die of ancillary infections (remember, it destroys your immune system).
I'm a med student, working in an HIV clinic doing research for the summer. Saying "cocktail of drugs" isn't entirely accurate. The majority of patients in the clinic I work at are on a 1 pill/ day regimen for their HIV. Most of the remainder are on a 2 pill/day regimen. Furthermore, most of the side effects are pretty mild. The reason that HIV positive patients are getting different cancers and opportunistic infections is because they are not virally suppressed, so their CD4 counts (a measure of how many T helper cells there are, which the HIV selectively attacks) are low. But most patients who consistently take their pill a day will have normal or near normal CD4 counts. I've seen HIV patients with CD4 counts over 1000. In addition, there will be so few copies of the virus that it will literally be "undetectable" in their bloodstream. Furthermore, if you don't have insurance, you can get on a program that will pay for your medications, visits and labs. In my state, Pennsylvania, this program is called SPBP and it covers people making less than or equal to 500% of the federal poverty line.
I was never arguing that it was. You're correct in that Africa has a major HIV problem, but I never was disputing that part of the argument. I was disputing your statements that "HIV patients who receive treatment are also getting cancer a lot more often amd have to take a cocktail of drugs with nasty side effects for the rest of their lives. If you don't have insurance coverage for it, your life expectancy isn't that great" because those statements are misleading.
Honestly as far as I'm concerned this already exists.
Hey, it's cool if we have sex. Sure, I have HIV, but it's basically cured.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well when your viral load is undetectable because you're regularly taking your medications, the chance of transmission become ridiculously small (they're not very high to begin with), so it's not as far-fetched as it sounds. Obviously that shouldn't be encouraged, and people with HIV should always use protection, but you'd be surprised at the amount of negative people in serodiscordant couples who are okay with unprotected sex.
Yeah, I know that if you're on medication and being monitored, the risks of infecting others is really low. My whole point was pretty much good luck convincing someone else of that when you're trying to fuck them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying that there is a non-insignificant amount of people who actually do willingly have unprotected sex with an HIV-positive partner even with the knowledge of the risks. Generally speaking this happens within a monogamous trusting relationship. It's not ideal but it is interesting to think about
I would have sex with someone who was HIV+ and taking medication if I knew them well. I can't trust that a stranger takes the medicine correctly, but if I'm dating him or have been friends for a long time I can make a good judgement on how responsible they are.
That's the key. If you're already in a relationship, you're probably good. I imagine it would be pretty tough finding a new partner in that situation though, unless they're also HIV positive.
If you're careful, the chance of transmissions is basically 0. There are several couples that are publicly out as half-HIV (one has HIV, the other doesn't) with an active sex life going on decades (starting in the late 90's; when the treatment first got good).
Granted, for heterosexual couples, it means that kids is probably out of the question; but other than that, there isn't much of an issue.
I have HIV and this isnโt true. The antiretrovirals that I take everyday are to hiv what chemo/radiation therapy is to cancer. They are so powerful that they damage everything, not just the virus. The medication alone negatively affects my bone density, kidneys and liver. Causes digestive issues and leaves me generally weak as fatigued. Not a single doctor or infectious disease specialist has told me my life expectancy is longer than average. The meds have definitely gotten better over the years, weโve come a long way but theyโre still basically poison
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is a more direct cure but it has a success rate of 10% or so and is often only risked when they found leukemia as well
Wyvernz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming you're talking about HSCT, simply undergoing the procedure has a mortality rate of >1/4, so even if it was 100% effective it wouldn't be worth the risk given how effective our treatments for HIV are.
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kilking germs is easy. Fire and bullets do a great job, soaking every cell in bleach also does wonders. Killing germs without killing the patient, that's the hard part
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here in the US, your access to those meds depends on your financial situation and what aid you can get to pay for them. The best/most popular HIV medication, Atripla, costs about 3K/month. If you don't have insurance or can't find payment assistance: you're screwed.
Vaccines are the cure to viral plagues. An effective and widely available Vaccine would act as a cure mechanism by eliminating the virus in it's reservoir, just like Smallpox. I know a vaccine is not much use to those already HIV + but we also are making a lot of headway, it seems on suppressing those infections as well.
A vaccine can be enough. One does not lead to another. Example: polio. We've had polio vaccines for several generations but never found a cure. I don't think we've even come close to a cure or even decent treatment for polio.
audigex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine is a cure, if used properly. When was the last time you caught smallpox?
You get a cure and you have to deal with massive access problems. And because the disease will persist around the world, and any cure is likely to be very expensive, who knows how long charities will be able to keep it up. Especially as it becomes considered a solved problem in the western world and donations for it stop. Plus the longer you treat it with this one cure, the more likely a resistant HIV strain is to emerge.
Get a proper, broad spectrum vaccine (and the efforts of some research groups have put us closer than you might think), and you need one big charitable push and a decent amount of follow up, and the disease will be gone. In the case of HIV I wouldn't expect this to be as straightforward as for smallpox or polio. There will be some escape strains and people whose immune systems don't respond properly. However, the vaccine would still take HIV from a worldwide epidemic to something much more isolated that can be managed/cured as it arises.
JB_UK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV writes itself into your DNA. It's going to be pretty difficult to undo that permanently.
A vaccine is actually easier. A vaccine might have the additional bonus of being a functional cure, i.e. the virus is not eliminated from the body, but is effectively suppressed by the individual's immune system without the aid of antiretroviral drugs.
were pretty much already there, there exist people in the western world who has HIV but can get children without it, have sex without risk of of transferring it and can live their lives perfectly normal.
Already exists tbh. Medication very effectively controls the disease to the point where it is no longer contagious. Just get the drugs out there and it will be eradicated. Diabetes is more of a concern and has a much worse prognosis for instance.
Sislar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if there is a vaccine the infection rate would drop to near zero and would be a rare thing after one generation.
More money in a treatment than a cure. Sadly, that's the way of the world.
sturace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean to be harsh, but starting with a vaccine, you end up with a cure once everyone who doesn't already have it is vaccinated, plus about 80 years....
In my opinion, a vaccine, which would prevent you from ever contracting, is better than a cure, which fixes it after you get it. Now, since no vaccine is ever perfect, it would be great to have both, but if we have to pick one or the other, I'll go with vaccine. Vaccines, not cures, are what eradicated smallpox and have nearly eradicated polio.
Vaccines can be more powerful than a cure. Especially for something that can remain hidden and can be spread like HIV. See polio for a good example.
Person A has HIV and doesn't know it. Person B has sex with person A. Then has sex with person C. Person A finds out, but who knows how many people are infected at that point.
If person B was vaccinated, it stops the spread. Along with the suppression meds we have, it makes it just as good as a cure.
There's no money in a cure. You don't think they've developed one by now (it's been over 30 years)? Same goes for many forms of cancer.
Why have someone pay $50,000 once for a cure when you can milk them for $20,000 on a monthly basis for years to come? Deadly/terminal diseases are big money for the pharmaceutical and healthcare industries, it's well known that the Susan G. Komen Foundation for Breast Cancer is one of the shittiest organizations out there because most of what they do is just rake in cash because people think that they're actually helping the fight against cancer, when in reality less than 50% actually goes to things that would actually prevent cancer or advance the fight against cancer. Most of it goes into their pockets (Susan's sister, the CEO, takes a 400k a year salary), and the rest goes to marketing and fundraisers...which mostly go right back into the company. PornHub wanted to donate $20,000 to them one year for breast cancer awareness month and they refused the money because they didn't want to be associated with a porn site. That tells you right there that they don't give a fuck about the disease itself, all they care about is their image and their continued ability to make money off of it.
You have to be careful when donating to these companies or buying "pink-washed" stuff because they say "a portion of the purchase price goes to xyz charity or foundation" but what they almost never tell you is the percentage, which is something stupid like 1% or 0.1%. So if you buy a pink-washed deodorant for $5, they may give a whole 5 cents to cancer research, wonderful huh?
It's so close to a cure already. In one of my med classes our professor said that her rather have HIV than type 2 diabetes because HIV is so much easier to manage (as long as you're compliant with medication).
At least where I'm at, the clinic will give medication away for free or financial assistance to those who can't pay for it :) Pittsburgh has some great programs like this. HIV is a public health issue and has a lot of good national grants to help out specialty clinics.
I'm an HIV medical case manager. These programs are from a federal fund called Ryan White. Anyone in the US with HIV can have their labs, doctor visits, and anything else HIV related paid with these funds. There is also ADAP, which pays for people's HIV meds and antibiotics they need. Lack of insurance isn't an issue for people with HIV in the states since these programs pay for all their treatment. My program will even pay insurance premiums for the people on our carloads so they have access to regular medical care as well. And if all that isn't enough, every HIV medication I'm aware of has a PAP program through the pharmaceutical company that will also pay for the medication and/or the co-pays if you show financial need.
We might have it. IIRC a guy got a bone marrow transplant an I think some other stuff an it cured his HIV. They're trying to figure out why it worked, I could have been that the guy who donated the marrow was special, or that the new white blood cells from the new marrow were fighting his original cells that were infected.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV is a virus, you can't cure it with antibiotics so curing it would be a lot more difficult. Bacterial infections are easy to cure because most antibiotics don't do anything to your own cells, but virus's are way more resilient and require either an immune system to take care of them, or some sort of virucide to kill them, and that stuff is hella toxic to humans. So a cure isn't likely, the only possibilities for a cure would be an experience roughly equivalent to or even worse than chemotherapy but for HIV (iirc this has been done with some babies and they actually became HIV free), or an artificial immune response from something like engineered nanobots, but clearly neither of these options are viable right now.
That could be very true, I am certainly nowhere near being an expert. This was just what my understanding of the current situation was like, corrections are welcome :)
Oh I know I'm just saying the anti-vaxx argument is a moot point because autism is far more preferable to watching children die from shit like Pertussis, which at my job I have.
My siblings and I all had pertussis despite being vaccinated. It's nasty.
Also to play devil's advocate. I've worked with autistic individuals who are on the extreme low end of the spectrum. These individuals live in pain. Several of my clients had permanent bone and skull malformations because all they did was self abuse. Screaming all day every day. Nothing helped. No amount of drugs. One client was on heavy levels of haldol simply because without it he would smash his own head into the wall over and over and over. Trying to restrain or help him resulted in him turning that aggression on staff. And no end to it. This was going to be their lives.
When you've seen that level of torment and pain... death seems more merciful.
To each their own, kitkat.
I was trying to say that autism is different for everyone and is most of the time not good or bad, but could be either. I just hate when people make no true scotsman fallacies based around autistics who are worse off than others
How many people on the spectrum do you know? Are they all high functioning with degrees and jobs and just off social skills? A lot of people on the spectrum cannot work because they get too anxious and stressed and have to go on disability. The low functioning autistic people often self harm. Many commit suicide. The "blissfully unaware" ones might just look unaware but are imprisoned in their bodies.
Well that's kind of impossible because autism is a neurological disorder, meaning there are physical abnormalities with the brain's wiring. So unless you can come up with a vaccine that straight-up re-wires something as unimaginably complex as the human brain, you're out of luck.
For the US it's not too expensive since we have programs that will cover 100% of the cost of medication, labs, and appointments for HIV patients. I can't speak to other countries and how they do things.
PrEP should be covered more frequently, though programs are slowly being introduced to provide this for HIV negative at risk individuals.
It definitely shouldn't be sold OTC because there is too much important monitoring that needs to be done by medical professionals and people need to understand that if they don't use a certain HIV medication appropriately it can cause the virus to become resistant to medications which leads to drug resistant stains.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a stupid question. There are some things viruses and bacteria simply cannot acquire resistance to and still retain their original properties. I dont' know the answer to this specific question, but it's not a dumb question to ask.
For example, no matter how long you try exposing them to it, bacteria will never become resistant to alcohol. It's just chemistry. Bacteria are surrounded by a lipid membrane. Ethyl alcohol dissolves it on contact. It would require a fundamental change to their biology to become resistant at which point they would stop being what they are.
To my knowledge there aren't any HIV medications that don't become resistant after continued misuse. This is why doctors run genotypes prior to prescribing an HIV medication and why labs are done regularly to monitor CD4 and viral load.
optkr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we use the medications so freely, highly resistant strains will develop and none of them will work. Same idea as antibiotic stewardship.
Also, these meds aren't entirely safe. There are some very severe drug interactions that could kill someone, not to mention their own potential toxicities.
Edit: just saw the response above, nice work
rhllor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting it for free (at least for 2 years), but I'm in a developing country so that's the downside lol.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is taken daily because the drug must inhibit receptor sites to prevent the virus from entering the T cells. Any uninhibited sites are viable for viral insertion. Thus, it works through daily consumption to ensure this doesn't happen. It doesn't act like the morning after pills you're probably used to taking. Taking a pill only when you think you're about to get laid will effectively do nothing for you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but you can use it like vaccine. Antiretroviral drugs also prevent infections. E.g. if your partner is HIV positive and you're not both of you taking drugs can be a reasonable approach.
With good treatment infections are actually close to impossible.
This is way closer than you might think. An organization in my city (Fenway Health in Boston) is already doing trials for an HIV vaccine. I know there's a similar study being done in San Francisco.
Arguably HIV is the only problem there that's unacceptable. At least I think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All sexualy transmited desises can be transmitted through anal sex. The fact that most can be cured or treated doesn't mean that there won't be long lasting conciquences for your body. You could become impotent and/or get cancer(even HPV can couse this). Cancer is unacceptable, at least, I think.
Sexual education should be tought in schools.
at1445 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't change a thing in the US. 1.2 million diagnosed since the early 80's...only 12k deaths in 2014, and that's just deaths of people with HIV, not because they had it.
Preped is kinda a vaccine. You take it and the chances of you becoming infected is like less than 1%. You have to keep taking it though it's not like a 1 time shot but it is effective
It's just known as PrEP more widely and had been out for some years now. It's stands for "Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis" and is the HIV medication "Truvada." You have to take it everyday for 6 weeks before it is safely in your system and you're supposed to continue taking the daily pill as long as you're potentially at risk.
Interesting to know, from what i read it made it sound it made it sound much simpler. Is it still meant to be preventative opposed to managing symptoms?
getting closer to this one. inovio is the company. the stock isn't bad either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given all of the roadblocks thus far for HIV I sincerely doubt we'll be able to make a vaccine. Typically we use chunks of the virus/bacteria/toxin that are easily identified by the body's immune system when making it, but HIV is incredibly good at masking itself which is why it's so efficient at doing what it does - this is why all of the vaccines for HIV we've attempted to make thus far have failed.
I keep seeing ads on facebook for some preventative HIV medicine. Take a pill once a day. (all the ads remind me of is someone taking LSD tho because it's just pictures of people with something blue on their tongue)
What you're seeing an ad for is a drug commonly known as PrEP. It stands for Pre-exposure prophylaxis. Basically, we have taken existing HIV medicines, tweaked them just a bit, and it has shown fantastic results at preventing transmission of HIV. It's not 100% effective, but it's definitely in the high 90's. The brand name of the drug is Truveda (I think). Check it out. Its prescribed for HIV- people who are at higher risk of contracting HIV (i.e. gay people who have a lot of unprotected sex, HIV- people in relationships with HIV+ people, IV drug users, ect). It's a daily pill that requires a lot of checkups from a doctor, and we are still researching the effect on transmission reduction. Basically, this is the first step. Inform people about it! The more we can stop the spread of HIV the easier it will be for us to someday eradicate it.
I made the mistake of telling some of my friends I'm seeing these ads. None of them are and there was some speculation that I'm seeing them because, perhaps, facebook has identified that I'm close friends (or more) with someone who may have HIV.
check this out, they recently moved to phase 2 human trials. If you have any questions, I may be able to answer them. He gave some guest lectures that I attended.
A vaccine would be amazing. If no vaccine, access to drugs for those who have it to suppress the virus to where it can't spread and eventually let it die off as those who have it pass (with as high of quality of life possible).
Equoniz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not actually a vaccine, but PrEP is pretty damn close. And there is at least one new form being tested (I'm in the clinical trial for it) that is a bi-monthly injection rather than a daily pill which makes it easier to do for a lot of people.
If I remember correctly, there is supposedly going to be a vaccine to help make antibodies for part of the virus in 3-5 years. But it's not going to treat the actual disease.
It's near. Now don't fuck up and kill your liver with all your drinking due to the depression you developed while completing your PhD in applied sciences.
Vecrin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably can't be done. Retroviruses mutate way to fast for vaccines. Think of influenza. Each year you get new mutations which are accounted for in the vaccine. Now think if the flu could create a new strain every few weeks. That is the problem. We have come up with multiple treatments that treat or cure for a few weeks, but due to how sloppily the virus meshes it's DNA with yours, and how sloppily it creates new virions, the virus quickly mutates. So vaccines probably wouldn't be a good treatment or cure at all (unless you got it every few weeks).
We've got Pre Exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP) now, as well as new generation anti-retroviral drugs which are well tolerated. So at the moment new infections and potential exposure are covered adequately - assuming everyone is compliant with their medication.
Vaccines may not be long off, but we're not doing too terrible without them.
I swear I see an article every month or so saying someone cured a person of HIV/AIDS. Gets posted to r/science of course. And then, somehow, HIV/AIDS is not actually cured.
That would be one of the greatest discoveries in history.
kekito3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:50:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, how do you even say that? There has been at least 100 discoveries just in medicine that are hugely bigger than that.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kekito3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:24:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it would be remarkable, but it wouldn't be "one of the greatest discoveries in history" (including every discovery in every aspect of mankind).
Talking specifically about medical ones, there have been huge milestones in our history (penicillin, radiography (and the rest of imaging techniques including CT and MRI), pain killers (from +3000 years ago, to recent centuries), vaccines...). The list is as long as you want it to be, and every of them would be bigger than discovering the cure for HIV. It's a disease that we can already manage perfectly (if the treatment is available, like in developed countries), and the deaths worldwide are lower than compared to TB for example (including every HIV-related cause of death). For instance, a succesful vaccine to prevent TB would be much more impactful. Also take into account, that an HIV cure would probably be remarkably expensive (like current HepC curative treatment, and couldn't make into underdeveloped countries at all (unlike most vaccines are)). Lastly, the HIV cure might help resolve the mystery of retrovirus, but other than HIV, they are not especially relevant (other than HTLV-1 being a risk factor for a type of lymphoma).
All of this is said without even considering the rest of the discoveries in mankind history (technology, art, architecture...). It would have been considered before the developing of HAART, but now it's an absolute ridiculous claim.
In the past 50 years in medicine (as I claimed) I'm not sure. Penicillin, many imaging techniques, painkillers, many of the vaccines are older than 50 years.
It's a disease that we can already manage perfectly (if the treatment is available, like in developed countries)
This isn't fair to say. It would be huge if we found a cure for malaria, even though we have effective prevention and treatment options available in the first world. In many African countries, life expectancy was lowered from 65 to 35 because of HIV/AIDS.
Lastly, the HIV cure might help resolve the mystery of retrovirus, but other than HIV, they are not especially relevant (other than HTLV-1 being a risk factor for a type of lymphoma).
I have to completely disagree here. As previously mentioned, lentiviruses are an exciting area of research, which wouldn't have been possible without attempting to cure HIV. People are excited about CRISPR (rightfully so), but the error rate is incredibly high. While CRISPR studies seem to be getting the most funding, HIV-derived lentiviral vectors are more effective in genetic modification.
Overall, I agree with your point. If considering all the discoveries in mankind's history, HIV absolutely wouldn't be anywhere near the top 100. But if you consider the past 50 years in medicine (as I posited in my original post), I absolutely think a cure for HIV would be in the top 100.
kekito3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I completely agree with you. Hopefully we can keep going forward. Have a good day!
The person who discovers the cure will feel more elation than I can imagine, but I also know that a few days later he's going to reach into his pocket, find $20 he didn't know he had, and think "Whoa, this is the greatest discovery ever!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what will actually happen is that the guy who discovers the cure will be murdered by big pharma.
Theres already a vaccine, don't put your dick in a dudes butt
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to say this, but HIV is actually playing a massive part in keeping the population down in overpopulated places like South African slums. I've seen the way these people live and the last thing any of them or any of their surroundings need is a chance for the people to repopulate, because if they can, they most certainly will. Unfortunately it's incredibly difficult to provide them with sexual education, so fear is the only way to slow it down. That and (I hate saying this) the death it causes too.
You know what miraculous solution helps prevent unwanted pregnancies and also helps prevent the transition of a life threatening STI like HIV? Condoms. Family planning. We need to put more money in that rather than using HIV as the "overpopulation solution" because that's barbaric. It's only difficult to provide them with sex ed because there isn't enough money involved.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish this could work, but these people have no sexual education, they have no access to condoms or contraception and there is no existing family planning. South Africa is an undeveloped country with hundreds of millions of unimaginably poor people and an incredibly corrupted government that frankly couldn't give less of a shit about the lower class.
There are so many efforts by corporations and charities outside of the government that are doing their best to help provide sex ed, condoms/contraception and family planning, but it's like a bottle of water against a forest fire. I admire these people greatly for what they do but, without funding, there is not much they can do.
I understand how monstrous the idea of using STDs as a population reduction technique sounds, but until we can find a solution for the whole country, and until the higher powers get their ass in gear, it's the only feasible option.
Other countries should work to help developing regions of the world. It's kinda our humanitarian obligation. So, more money pushed into these programs and we will see more results.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like an amazing idea, just wish it would happen.
It starts with the individual. Find an organization that represents what you believe in and donate to it. I do that with several organizations. They're not huge donations, but if 100k people each donate 1 dollar, that's 100k a month that the organization didn't have. Non-profits don't rely on huge donations, they rely more on smaller and regular recurring donations from average people like us.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably the best a Reddit comment has turned out for me. I don't appear to have very popular opinions. Thanks for your input. I'll definitely put more effort into charity as soon as I can.
I always enjoy a productive dialogue on Reddit. Unfortunately, it's too easy to just downvote and leave, or disagree and be condescending (which I kinda was even in this thread). The internet is filled with possibilities, so it's up to us to make the best of it. :)
(also, i've had so much caffeine... i'm giddy with energy... I can't stop typing and replying to people. Send help.)
I get like that for the first hour when I take my ADHD medications
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we collectively prevented the behaviors that spread it we could all but purge it from the first world in 2 generations. We already know how to prevent it.
The all but have one now. Its so easy to fight it off now that gay people are forming unprotected sex piles in the clubs again. They just aren't afraid of it anymore. I hope they don't just cook up something worse by doing that. Probably gonna be bacterial in nature this time. Already a lot of infected and untreatable hiney infections happening.
Yea, obvously. Thats why is said the NEXT one is going to be bacterial in nature. We got the Virus problem under control, but they are cooking up some ugly MRSA Staph in those sex piles. Bacteria is a bigger threat to the gay community than Virus are at this point. You get somma that MRSA in your butt, and see how fast it cooks that hole.
BTW: It's already happening now.. Educate yourself by reading up on it, and then come back and lecture me some more.
It's strange for sure.. And its not just the butt lovers that taking it too lightly. Even hetero jukers are letting guards down.. There is a new birth control that involves gluing you weenie hole together so the sperm doesn't come out.. And women using Plan B as their plan a. Neither stop the spread of anything nasty.. Oh but who cares, Magic Johnson is aids free so guess we can do whatever now. Lets just cook up som Antibiotic-resistant gonorrhoe and fill my overy with HPV.. Aids aint shit!
Not really.. I just talk that way online. Started when I was a BBS sysop in the early 80's. Back then people could see you type as your were typing, so once you say something there is no point in deleting it or trying to say it better.. Just keep going. Try to look at what I said and not so much how I said it, and then tell me if you still think I am wrong.
There are posters all over the BART in the SF Bay Area that say that they have a pill that prevents HIV and they want people to join the testing. So maybe there's something to that already.
The first two are fantastic books, but it's so disappointing that the third in the trilogy isn't out yet. It's the series that taught me to never start a book series that isn't finished yet.
I "accidentally" started it, not realizing it wasn't finished yet. Friend (who was also one of the people who first turned me on to the ASOIAF series) suggested I check it out, once I'd read ADWD. I bought the first book, loved it, bought the second, same thing, went to buy the third, only to discover, once again, I'd started walking down a path that hasn't been completed yet.
I started it in a very similar way. I was at a wedding and a friend of mine and his girlfriend asked me if I had read Name of the Wind. They were so shocked that I hadn't since they both loved it so much that they went home and both bought it on Amazon to give to me. They didn't know the other one also bought it until two copies showed up to their apartment. They're really good friends.
George living long enough to finish the series would be great too
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 16:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People saying that seems to stress him out (from some interviews -- just imagine having people actually come up to you and say please get the next book out before you die). Stress is the silent killer. It is we who are preventing the next book.
lol no... He's admitted that he shouldn't have taken such a long break after finishing dance. He has all but admitted that he won't finish the series.
I don't blame him for losing interest in writing the books, but at this point he really needs to stop with his classic "don't tell them anything" attitude in how far along he is. I don't think he necessarily owes us the next two books, but he does owe us the truth at this point. Just tell us you're not going to finish so we don't keep wondering if he will or won't.
You're the one projecting malicious intent to medical facts.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but it's not far from GRRM response to it all too. IIRC they asked him what he had to say to the people who said stuff like that. and he responded with "fuck you" I could be wrong though. I think it was from s year or two back.
and it's fine, really. I get his view, which is that he's basically being concern trolled: people are bugging him for their needs, not for his benefit. But obesity is still deadly and debilitating, regardless of the social factors at play.
Epics are a little bit of a slog to begin with, the middle gets really good, you can do whatever you want now the set up is all there, but then you near the end and oh shit you have to finish up now.
Must be hard for him since the world is far bigger in his head than on the pages, and he plans stuff so well that readers are guessing what happens next. He is in such a rough spot I don't think a lot of fans have any idea.
Bartdog ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Call Brandon Sanderson...
Kyomeii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why stop there? i wish for A dream of spring to be released and will be beautiful, complete, with no storyline left open and Ned will come back to live and so Greywind with Rob and all the starks will live happy in a 30 year long spring...
crys in a corner
Oakshror ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:37:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is happening in Bran's comatose dream. Robert and Ned and everyone is still alive
It's really the other way around. The show have went in a completely different direction from the books. And while there are still awesome moments, the plotline quality dropped significantly in the last few seasons.
butto150 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:59:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a part of me that believes something. It is a very small part of me. It is buried deep to protect it from the chills of Winter. I only nourish enough to not let it die because of an inexplicable hope that it's true.
Georgie boy has been writing all of the remaining books and has them in some state resembling a finished product. Or is working towards that. When he finally announces WoW he will also release a timeline for release of the remaining books.
I know, I'm a sweet summer child. Others take me and my silly unfounded secret hope.
Cash091 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Thrones is like an Early Access game where the dev got paid, passed the work off to another party (HBO), and bailed.
That's why they made a tv show. The producers were probably fans of the books and knew they'd never know how it ended unless they paid the dude barrels of money.
Edit: World population being 5.2 billion in 1990, and 7.5 billion now, that means about 4 billion then and 6.8 billion now had access to clean water, meaning 2.8 billion new people have gained access in that time.
That's about 100 million per year, or about 280 000 people per day. Pretty good going, humanity.
DSonla ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 14:17:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From 92% to 84% in 15 years? What happened Algeria?
I understand for countries that has been hit with natural disasters (Haiti) but can't think of a reason for Algeria.
What is the definition of "having access"? For example, if there are clean water fountains placed throughout a city, would that be considered access considering the homeless population, etc.?
Indeed. The site says 100% of Canadians have access to clean water, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest otherwise. Does it still count if the water has to be trucked in? What about those that have to rely on well water that is contaminated? Also, how clean is 'clean'?
Often means within 1km of a person's place of residence. Usually "clean water" really means an "improved" water source, which only means there is some protection from contamination. This certainly doesn't mean it's 100% safe though. And by this definition, someone who walks 1 km to a public tap has access to an improved water source, regardless of whether the tap produces good quality water and the household can store it at home in sanitary conditions. Source for more info
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:17:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fquizon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:40:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but 150000 deaths per day, so we're still 80000 in the good
Saad-Ali ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:45:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and some of them remain that way for rest of there life.
Which means every woman worldwide will have 2 children on avarage during her lifetime. The current birth rates are not alarming at all. The continuing population increase in the world is not a consequence of high fertility. The population is still increasing simply because the number of people dying of old age is still lower than the number children being born.
As of now, the UN is estimating that the world population will peak at about 11 billion around 2100.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, everybody look at the fancy pants with the Masters degree in mathology or whatever.
(Seriously though, that's awesome to hear. Water should never be taken for granted.)
kiipii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except about 20% of that is access within 30 minutes travel time. Just looking at access also doesn't capture water stress and the fact that much of the current/projected population growth is occurring in areas without good access to water.
For example, I live near NYC and there's the constant addition of new housing in the city. At what point is the infrastructure unable to keep up and some people not being able to get fresh water?
Solve the energy problem and you solve the water problem. Turning sea water into salt + water is easy, just add electricity. Of which we don't have enough.
And sanitation! Clean water alone won't fix the problems. We need a full water management system. The UN has achieved close to 90% on clean water for people but the sanitation is further away and that's where we need to step in.
I am the Alpha and Omega; the beginning, and the end. I shall give unto him that is athirst of the fountains of the waters of life... freely.
I can't think of that without hearing it in Liam Neeson's voice. Playing the hell out of FO3 at the moment, since I'm still too poor for FO4. Saw OP's post and thought of this near IMMEDIATELY.
All the gold going around ITT is cool and all, but it got me thinking. What if Reddit took a day where each subreddit voted on a charity, and then for one day or a couple days all the money spent on giving gold would be sent to whatever charity that that subreddit voted for?
This isn't a technical, financial, or even will power barrier. Creating a group of have-nots also creates a group of 'haves' and this dicotomy is politically useful to the rules of both groups.
wpiman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's go back to that Mars thing...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we're more likely to see the opposite happening. Less and less people having access to clean water.
I totally agree with this. I also had a Reddit achievement for me, the 10,000th upvote exactly on this comment (according to my screen). Just wanted to share with every one :)
Everybody having access to clean water that isn't property of the Nestle shareholders
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they at least teach poorer countries to boil and filter their water? That would serve as a good temporary solution until they can actually get treatment plants and whatnot.
Then you want to wish for feasible mass desalination. If we can desalinate ocean water cheaply and efficiently, it would be a massive human break through.
With people like Bill Gates on this planet it looks like that dream might just be realistic.
nessn12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll settle for everyone in Michigan having clean water at this point.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone in Michigan does have it, it's just they might not be allowed to access it. Anyone in flint could dig down twenty feet and get cleaner water than what the city gives them, but it's illegal. So they either have to pay for the poison the government is sending them or the government takes their house.
This isn't necessarily an economic or engineering issue in some cultures, but a lack of education on proper hygiene and bodily fluids. I remember watching an episode of Vice where they went to India to see the clean water crisis and it was their own citizens that were fucking it up, not big corporations like here in America. Westerners would come over and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars installing plumbing and toilets in order to prevent the spread of disease...but what did the citizens do? They used these outhouses for storage and continued to shit and piss in the same river that they bathed in and drank from!
That was my mothers dream. Never got to know her because she passed away during my birth. Im actually looking for my father now who just one day, up and abandoned me. Heard a recording of him saying he did it for my safety and security. Said that the world is a dangerous, inhospitable place. Hopefully I find him soon. I got a lead from some Irish asshole that my dad went to some radio station. Ill update you guys if I find my father.
Ok I'm going to be that guy but we already are too much on this planet, if Africa and underdeveloped countries will get a boom in birthrates and lifespan it will take 2 generations before we are really fucked up
Technology could enable it, but the solution is probably not what most people would want.
With the decreasing cost of surveillance equipment and advances in artificial intelligence, we should eventually reach a point where it's economically feasible to monitor everyone, or at least all those who rank even moderately high on the number of risk factors for violence, such as ex-convicts.
In such a world, before the belligerent even has the opportunity to throw their fist, the drone hovering just above their head might already have used their physiological indicators in combination with their personality data to predict the outburst, shot them with a tranquilizer dart, and notified the proper authorities to come haul them away for processing.
Of course, aside from the massive issue of privacy, such a system would also provide an incredibly simple method for establishing a totalitarian regime, one that's highly resistant to all forms of internal rebellion.
This might all sound like crazy tin-foil hat stuff, but post-9/11 politics have already demonstrated that all of these ideas are at least feasible politically. With the right timing and messaging, the populace could not only be made to accept such a system but even to embrace it. And given the proficiency of the system at quelling problematic individuals (this definition naturally including those who oppose the system), you'd only really need to gain enough public approval for the program's first few years.
The context of the quote is that people will always keep killing each other, and that's what never changes. It doesn't talk about the specifics. In the context, "War" is a term for the human desire for conflict.
kunell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some kinda societal revolution that reorganizes everyone into a hivemind could work
... so... basically doing the whole "make everyone believe what I believe" hitler thing eh?
kunell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well hitler didnt really do it right as he didnt have the proper technology to do it. Im talking a crazy extreme right now. Not to mention he killed off entire categories of people for no good reason wasting so many resources in the process.
I'd say its more akin to religious extremism except everyone is mentally augmented to believe in the same thing. More like ants really.
Yeah I think if it ever happened and we only had one person making choices for everyone. People would still fight over who has the whiter pantset.
kunell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wellโฆ they wouldnt care because the entire human population would just be really one person. (One brain multiple bodies). But idk if we would still be considered human?
The point of acid attacks is that you aren't meant to die, you're meant to suffer deformed and in pain for the rest of your life.
But yeah someone not far from me randomly stabbed a guy he had never met as he was coming back from a bar so if we could stop that that would be great.
OGchef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there is shitty people everywhere of every background true... But on the grander scale of things how much of violence is religion based especially throughout history. Currently we have ISIS but how long is it until we have some violent christian group?
It's not religion itself. It's humans' tribal mentality that happens to manifest in religious violence, as well as in other forms such as racial violence. Humans love to make the world "Us vs Them". Until we can fix that fundamental human flaw, I don't think we'll see the end of large scale conflicts.
OGchef ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed but dont you think that religion as a whole encourages said tribalism?
No, it's just a easily accessible excuse. Take it away and the only thing that will change is what excuse you are using. Nothing more.
OGchef ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the problem in this respect, is that at the base of every religion is the fact that were right and everyone else is wrong. Im not just bashing on religion just to do so, but it has a fair number of flaws, some more than others.
This is hardly a uniquely religious way of thinking, and can be applied to any and all belief systems. People who believe the earth is flat believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. Similarly, people who believe the earth is round believe they are right and the flat earthers are wrong. I don't see anything specifically religious about that idea.
mfb- ยท 23554 points ยท Posted at 11:24:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering life elsewhere would be amazing.
8__D ยท 8675 points ยท Posted at 12:36:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're just making wishes, I wanna see peaceful diplomatic relations with another intelligent species. Either alien, or some kinda Hyper intelligent octopus society.
[deleted] ยท 3054 points ยท Posted at 13:18:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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8__D ยท 6733 points ยท Posted at 13:25:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HwrdStrk ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND IF THEY DON'T WANT OUR FREEDOM, WE'LL TILT THEIR HEAD BACK, DRAPE AN AMERICAN FLAG OVER THEIR FACE, AND POUR FREEDOM RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROAT, DAMNIT.
I was having a day dream about two days ago in the shower. A conversation with with my dad, taking place completely in my head turned into a story line that involved secret alien contact. I thought about how if Aliens studied the human race and learned about us, they would discreetly contact world leaders to build a peaceful relationship, rather than appear to the people and create violent mobs. I was envisioning the speech our president would give to spread calm and understanding to the people. How he might demonstrate the odd figure that would be our new allies. Then I realized I was still picturing that president as Barack Obama, and then I got really depressed. Because then I started to think about how the same situation would be handled by Trump. Then I thought, "If they learned about the human race... They would go to someone like Merkle." Im left feeling neutral about the whole thing. But still pretty sad.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the aliens would be like The Covenant from Halo, with a genocidal mandate to destroy anyone and anything that they consider sacrilege. The aliens would declare that humanity is a heretical disease, an affront to their religion, which must be scoured from the face of the galaxy. They would then begin waging war on Humanity, raping and murdering as they went.
Merkel would be offering them free housing, financial assistance, and EU citizenship. Aliens would be smashing their spaceships into large crowds of people, and Merkel would be telling a million of them to come live in Hamburg.
I mean sure maybe, I dont pretend to know theoretical futures. I just have daydreams.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right now your score is hidden from me on mobile but i expect the comment to end up with shit tons of downvotes in this sub despite not being wrong
wxsted ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the film a group of American soldiers puts explosives inside a spaceship because they thought the aliens were undercover invadors after watching too much shit on the media.
Pasuma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pumps shot gun intensely
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Recore ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 14:49:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The atom bomb was a British discovery and invention. America made it bigger and then committed war crimes by dropping it on civilians, I'd hardly be as proud of that as you seem to be.
Mry0guy ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:50:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My ass the bomb is British, without the Manhattan project throwing uranium 238 production into high gear the world wouldn't have had enough uranium to build a bomb for 100 years. This leaves nothing said about how the H bomb is really the invention that ended developed nations going to war with each other due to its civilization ending nature and that was developed solely by the Americans. I'm not saying what we did was right or wrong but your fooling yourself if you think the British built the bomb. T h i s i s j u s t l i k e t h e o l y m p i c s w h e n y o u c l a i m e d t h e i n t e r n e t.
Recore ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:11:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said the bomb was British nor that they built it, but the discovery was.
navymmw ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:59:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dropping the bomb was the right call
Recore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't mean you should be proud about it. Right call or no, it was still a war crime.
navymmw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:56:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never said I was proud of it, just saying it was the right call.
Depends on the situation. When every single boy who was of age was a soldier you're fucking right I'm fine with ending a war with which ever means necessary to save their lives. Hell, the Japs probably would have put a gun in everyone's hands to keep the US off the mainland. The civilian death toll for boots on the ground invasion by the USA would have been astronomical.
So yeah, when it comes to the USA nuking Japan, I am OK with killing a bunch of civilians to put an end to that regime.
I'm so fucking sick of this shit. What the FUCK do you call the FUCKING LONDON BLITZ?! Germany started the goddamn bombings. And not just London. Glasgow, Edinburgh, Belfast, Warsaw, Rotterdam, Birmingham, Liverpool, the list goes on and fucking on. Plus, one side reluctantly bombed civilians as part of a campaign against military industry, and one side had MOTHERFUCKING INDUSTRIALIZED GENOCIDE.
I mean you aren't wrong but there's a good number of us that just want to stay out of all this craziness all together. Just like every other country the people who suffer the most tend to be the ones who just want to mind their own business and be happy. The world is crazy man.
We mean the middle east. We dont want people allah akbaring them and then fucking them like they fuck their goats
Troppin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:01:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Texan here, we have โPraise Jesusโ folks and animal fuckers, too.
And I`ve spent hundreds of hours overwatching Iraqi villages through night vision. They only very rarely fuck animals. Honestly, Iraq reminded me alot of Texas. Guns, oil, religious hypocrisy, and rednecks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it prudent to task a very impulsive General with the task of overseeing their landing site and giving him final say in all matters; the type of guy who easily misinterprets peaceful overtures as acts of aggression, and isn't afraid to break out the nukes at a moment's notice.
Team this guy up with a few plucky scientists, and enjoy the roller coaster ride as the world is brought to the brink of annihilation by the retaliatory actions of a civilization with technology thousands of years ahead of humanity's, only to have said scientists disarm the nukes at the last possible second.
ugh he doesn't even need explosives, keep that fucker away from the Aliens... seriously it would be our fucking prerogative as human beings to not allow him in relations what-so-fucking-ever
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:26:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would probably let them piss on him when he's comfortable and alone in his Penthouse and then we're all fucked.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you noticed the comments above, they are responding to the idea of communicating with intelligent life forms in space. Which a few commenters agreed would be nice as long as we keep the crazy people with explosive weapons away from said aliens. r/HoneydewHeadband asked if the previous comment was referring to current President of the United States; Donald J. Trump. The Donald is known for his stubborn temper, selfishness and hostility towards foreign peoples, which is why it would be ever so counter-productive that the Leader of the most important country to intergalactic relations be the one to meet with said aliens.
Now, in a different plot line, then Republican Nominee, Donald Trump, had an explosive leak of information by people or governments unknown to the US, which indicate that Mr. Trump may or may not have gone through with a scenario in a private setting involving two prostitutes and bodily fluids (otherwise known as 'golden showers'). The notion I am getting at is that I am afraid. Afraid that the President might try to use his charm and sharp wit to convince our new alien friends to participate in activities not unlike the ones allegedly committed by Mr. Trump's friends.
The reason I am afraid is because unilke humans, we might not have the technology to detect how dangerous/safe the bodily fluids of extra-terrestrials are, which might make any amusement the new President might crave to be that of a national threat to mankind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You suck
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mathematics. Unless physics is different in their neck of the universe, 1 will always equal 1 and those hard facts in theory can be used to establish communication. You could for example use a light or sound to represent certain values and build from there.
It's a different ending - not worse and not better. Just as the book and the movie had two different themes, they had two different endings. The movie was about belief in the unknown and the issues that arrive when this conflicts with sciences insistence on empirical evidence. There was a heavy use of religion - the Palmer character, the cult leader, the suicide bombing, etc - to show peoples reactions to the unknown. The ending reinforced this idea. It was now Dr Arroway who needed people to take her on her faith. The overall theme of the movie seemed to be that you can't/shouldn't dismiss someone else's faith out of hand simply because you don't understand it.
The novel had a different message. It was more about pushing on despite the odds. The novel ends with five scientist having no proof, but it goes a further with Dr. Arroway, never giving up and, eventually, finding yet another hidden message. The novel focused a little bit on the science and religion part, but the main themes were concerned with how science actually works and how to better communicate the inner workings of science with the lay public.
There's a reason the movie is popular - that ending resonates with a lot of people. I'm glad you enjoy it. I think there were several approaches they could have taken, and I would've enjoyed a more realistic approach considering how much realism is in the first half of the film (ignoring the highly advanced graphics and simulations for the time).
This is what I love about mathematics on earth. When two mathematicians meet, they understand each other, no matter what languages they originally speak. Even if symbols differ, they can easily understand how a proof works.
jamasiel ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 15:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but all they talk about is math.
asphias ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:04:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Point is, it is a start for mutal understanding. If i put you in a foreign country with nobody speaking your language, you can learn to speak theirs within weeks. You start by pointing, repeating sounds, listening, etc. And soon enough you comprehend them.
With aliens, their means of communication and body language might be far more, well, alien to us. Just pointing and making throat sounds might not work. Mathematics, though, could be a familiar territory for both sides, and from there you can slowly extend language. Not to keep talking about fermats last theorem, but to eventually describe planets and stars through their mathematical characteristics, and eventually build a vocobulary that way.
jamasiel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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asphias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seem like idiots with a tiny vocabulary.
That's the whole point. If we seem like idiots with a tiny vocabulary, at least we have a vocabulary to talk with them.
As such, we wouldn't care one bit about advanced mathematics, the fundamentals, or proofs. This would not be a pissing contest of mathematics.
To see a real world example, look at the voyager golden record .
Using simple imaging, and basic binary, they try to explain how to use the golden record, but also where we came from, using the period and direction of pulsars to describe our position in the universe. the period of those pulsars is described in binary, in terms of the transitional time between the two fundamental states of the hydrogen atom.
Thats quite a lot of information in one picture, but obviously it has to be because you don't want to make it too complicated, yet you also only have one shot at "messaging" them.
So, rather than trying to describe set theory for some reason, a meeting with aliens could start with drawing(assuming they are visually advanced, use sounds or whatever in case their communication relies on other stuff) numbers, using the most basic tally method: show them the following pattern:
ll
lll
lllll
lllllll
lllllllllll
the list of the first 5 primes. Next, show them this pattern:
l
l
ll
lll
lllll
llllllll
lllllllllllll
lllllllllllllllllllll
Which is the fibonacci sequence. These two examples should make it clear that we're using tallys to indicate numbers, which allows us to make the following pattern:
0
l 1
ll 2
lll 3
llll 4
lllll 5
llllll 6
lllllll 7
llllllll 8
lllllllll 9
llllllllll 10
lllllllllll 11
llllllllllll 12
Which should show us how our number system works. After which, we can use these numbers to describe simple mathematical operations, thus exchanging our whole mathematical notation. After math notation is clear, we can use that to go on describing physics(think of using the atomic number for different elements, for example), and eventually we can describe everything and communicate.
And obviously the above is just one direction of communicating, at the same time, assuming these species are intelligent and want to communicate in the first place, they'd probably be showing their mathematical notation, adding to sequences to show they understood what we meant, etc.
This is what we will be doing, not starting with fundamental math proofs, but with simple pattern recognition and mutual understanding.
kaiise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which use math. QED math solves all problems
ailee43 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only because we all speak decimal as human beings
Homitu ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:25:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they can communicate with each other because they essentially do speak the same language: they're both fluent in mathematics. It's its own language that must be learned first.
nybo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah algebra is a language in itself, a friend showed me the solution to a 3rs degree polynomial in English and it was like a quarter of a page long.
That's a really interesting idea - I've never heard that before. I wonder if he had a touch of synesthesia or just an excellent imagination. Either way, that's a really cool visualization.
Zappa was a huge Devotee of Edgard Varรจse. All of Zappa's more "dissonant" and abstractness that can be found in some of his music can be all traced back to Edgard Varรจse. This includes Zappa's sculpture comments. Looks like you've got some homework now. Lol... it's interesting. if you go down the Edgard Varรจse rabbit hole, I promise you won't be bored.
Woah, thank you so much! This is great! The links between artists and influences has always been so, so interesting to me. I took a class - The History of Music: The Rock Era - that went from the 30s to the present and watching the way musicians influenced each other and being able to hear the way their music changed... Just really, really cool stuff. This should definitely keep me busy for a bit!
Yes. Music is a tree with vast roots and everything is interconnected. I drive uber and lyft in my spare time and once gave a ride to a bunch of highschool kids. They kept going on and on about the latest rapper, no idea who it was. Anyways... I asked if they ever heard of Tribe called Quest. They said no. I started playing it. They instantly started talking about how they had heard bits of this in songs from their favorite rappers. I said it's all connected. This is what your favorite rappers were listening to when they were young and getting started. So go out and listen to this. And then find out what Tribe was listening to when they were starting out and go an listen to that and see how deep you can go. Kids today have millions of albums from all genres available instantly in their pockets... yet 90% listen to awful pop and mumble rap. Frustrating.
xRom3 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:22:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not gonna argue which is the right way since we can only follow the rules we're taught (we're still all getting ''right'' answer, just according to different rules), but that wasn't my point here :P people seemed to miss it but whatever
Yeah, I'm not gonna argue which is the right way since we can only follow the rules we're taught (we're still all getting ''right'' answer, just according to different rules)
AFAIK, there's only one way to do the Order of Operations. If someone only does maths from left to right without doing them in the Order of Operations, that doesn't mean they were "taught differently." It means they weren't paying attention during 3rd grade math.
There is no objectively correct order of operations. There are many that are used. You'll find many mathematicians and physicists will interpret 1/2pi as 1/(2pi) even though that's not PEMDAS.
xRom3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't think that's the case, just google the question and you'll find out that a lot of people claim the right answer is 1. According to the rules I was taught it's 9, but for me absolute truths do not exist and so if someone proves I was taught wrong it's fine by me.
Everything is ambiguous. A mathematician would always define anything that could be interpreted in multiple ways. Let's assume we are in the space of the real numbers, with standard Arabic characters. I will go with PEMDAS, like it is common in the US. Resolving parentheses first: 6/2*3, then multiplication: 6/6 and lastly division, resulting in 1.
PEMDAS doesn't mean multiplication then division (or addition then subtraction), those steps each go together and are just left to right. Thats why it can also be written BEDMAS. It doesn't matter because multiplication and division can be rearranged, but yeah. Division isn't always after multiplication.
While I'm also in the "divide first" club, understanding why mathematicians solve this differently is interesting to say the least - and I understand that both solutions can be correct depending on how you're reading this -
Some mathematicians (I'm talking master's degree level) solve the "multiplication" first - because it's written as 2(2+1) not 2*(2+1), which, while done for ease, can also imply that the outer 2 is part of the parenthesis.
6/2(3) when you read it condensed, which can be used to imply "do this multiplication before that division" - because there are still unresolved parenthesis.
For me and you - 6/2 * 3 = 9, because we do math left to right after resolving the parenthesis.
Robonia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:34:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you could make the point that the algebraic syntax is the source of the ambiguity. There's this wonderful programming language named Lisp where expressions are written as lists, which are denoted by parenthesis, using a prefix notation. So for instance 1 + 2 would become (+ 1 2).
Despite appearing odd at first, once one's familiar with its syntax it effectively conveys how one would evaluate the expression.
xRom3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, not sure why I was downvoted, since I wasn't trying to actually get an answer, but to prove a point :P
If we already have these types of questions from math that people have different answers to, then they might have other rules.
Robonia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I believe the above commenters are saying is that there is only one answer if you follow the standardized order of operations. However, your statement does raise a good question about the order of operations which is - why are they in the order they're in?.
Basically, it's just a standard that the mathematical community agrees upon to represent expressions in their most concise form and that would evaluate the same for each person.
To be honest I am not familiar with BEDMAS/PEMDAS. I have never visited a school in the US, the UK or any other English-speaking country.
But I know that it doesn't matter.
Because I know that on page six of the lecture notes that my current maths professor shared with us students, just after some basic set theory, there is an axiomatic description of the set of the real numbers. And below that list of all ten needed axioms, there is a statement saying that we will interprete ab+cd as (a*b)+(c*d). And when I might get another professor there are two possibilities: He will write down the way he likes it, or I will ask him. And then happily use his preferred choice.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LowRune ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you dropped these * *
rasori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong on this one.
I didn't realize how my subconscious automatically interprets nX as (n*X) for any value n and X (that aren't both constants and therefore a literal number).
If the expression were written 6รท2*(1+2) I would have arrived at 9 - I know that the order of Multiplication and Division doesn't matter. But written 6รท2(1+2) I mentally replaced the expression with 6รท(2*(1+2))
In simple algebra, there's no question that 1รท2x is meant to be 1รท(2x) and not xรท2, so I guess that's where it came from.
How do you have an actual conversation using mathematics? For example, how do you ask "Where are you from?" in math-speak?
Math is a great way to know that we're all on the same page and willing to communicate. I don't see how it actually allows us to have a conversation, though.
Once everyone is ready for communication, we teach each other our respective language. Happens all the time with humans. All you need is one thing in common(math) then you name everything in that. Then you use that to explain an ever increasing vocabulary. That, or possibly the good old point and name.
The lines show various pulsars and the Sun's position relative to them, given time the alien life could interpret this and produce their own, hence answering the question "Where did you come from?"
Science is the answer. The basic ability to draw simple representations of carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen as well as simple concepts like the Pythagorean therem will be essential to demonstrating that we're an intelligent species.
Except that our representations of atoms aren't accurate pictures, and there's absolutely no reason to believe another intelligent species would be able to identify its significance.
Cadvin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not perfectly accurate, but if we give them a box full of hydrogen gas with a rough approximation of a hydrogen atom on the lid, I'd hope that a species advanced enough to travel through space would be smart enough to puzzle it out.
Yeah, so tell me, how do you explain the sentence "How did you came here" from a few numbers to some sentient being that breathes methane, has no eye and perceives sounds you don't ?
Assuming the alien species is technologically proficient enough to reach us and decided to reach us specifically, it probably has communication methods already worked out.
What you know of light is limited by our current understanding of nature. At some point we knew nothing about oxygen, which we f*ckin need to live. We might be ignorant of "the slood", which would be the most useful resource in the universe.
And saying alien being would have eyes is, again, an assumption, not to mention "eyes seeing the same wavelength of light as us".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is mathematics is universal. No intelligent species would be able to make contact with us without a deep understanding of mathematical concepts. If the can't, they aren't an intelligent species. And no we're not talking about basic 2+2 and whatever. We're talking about proofs and mathematical concepts that are far beyond what they teach in high school. Theoretical physics would probably be a big means for communication in answering your question "How did you come here". Assuming they want to make peaceful contact, they'll explain their methods of travel through math. If we can establish mathematical functions and symbols between both species, then algorithms can be created to create a means for communication.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's very true. We're assuming that if we express an intelligent idea to them through math our whatever that they would recognize it as something belonging to an advanced group. For all we know a simple equation of 1+1=2 might look like pasta vomited onto a page. It could mean nothing to them.
Assuming they have the ability to see in the same way we do, a simple image would be best. I'd guess you would have to start small, like a picture of yourself, and then maybe replace the picture with your name. That would help establish that the symbols/letters represent you. Do that with enough things and hopefully we'd be able to share our concept of the alphabet and begin to communicate our own questions.
I think it would be the other way. Assuming that the intelligent life form contacted us first, they would certainly be the ones asking the questions. I'm sure that any extraterrestrial capable of contacting us, would be much more adept and capable of decoding our language and methods of communication.
It would be a very one sided interaction. They understanding us, us probably not understanding them at all.
You totally miss the point of my question, which was "How", and was meant to be unanswerable.
You just don't know what those beings would be able to perceive. Therefore, you cannot assert you will be able to communicate.
(By the way, saying they can't make contact with us without understanding mathematics is, again, an apriori you have that is funded only on your understanding of space.
For what you know, there might be somewhere a species naturally able to fly through space and survive, so they could arrive here totally randomly. Tardigrades for instance.)
But let's say they are indeed fully skilled in math and physics, and let's say they perceive some part of reality the same way we do, there's still a big "If" in your statement : "IF we can establish mathematical functions and symbols". That shall probably be the hardest thing mankind has ever done. But even from there, you wouldn't be able to ask questions.
Two mathematicians can agree on "E=MCยฒ". But if one only speaks hindi and the other only speaks russian, they'll be totally incapable of discussing their favorite food, the name of their wife or the existence of god.
You just don't know what those beings would be able to perceive.
I think we're making the assumption that they would be able to detect something on the electromagnetic spectrum (otherwise it'd be impossible for them to reach us). Therefore it's just a matter of sending out data in the form of some frequency and wavelength that both parties can understand.
Isn't it theorized that an alien civilization advanced enough to be capable of interstellar travel would be highly unlikely to be interested in conquering a newly-encountered species, particularly one which is less technologically and socially advanced?
I know it's obviously conjecture but the idea of such a species being that advanced but also still being susceptible to such primal and base urges as conquest and domination seems unlikely to me.
I've always had some problems in completely accepting this theory. I mean, beyond all the justified common places about humans and war, if they were even vaguely similar to us yeah sure, maybe or even probably, a million time evolved version of us with our empathy, intelligence and the such would decide that peace is better than war and annihilation.
But what if they don't have the concept of peace? What if they don't have feelings the same way we have, or a moral system the same way we intend it?
Maybe in their society would be completely acceptable to eat another being to reinforce the stronger, or something that we equally see as grim and scary that would be totally normal and actually worked for them. Or maybe they already encountered similar form of lives and since they just need the space for something equally unintelligible to us they'd just shrug and gas us the same way we'd do with a colony of cockroaches. Or they could be space bugs themselves or something. I don't know, when we talk about other "intelligences" I always figure something so different than human being and human thought that it would be impossible to predict their intentions..
Even if I actually hope it would turn as you say as all the above is scary as hell
Isn't it theorized that an alien civilization advanced enough to be capable of interstellar travel would be highly unlikely to be interested in conquering a newly-encountered species, particularly one which is less technologically and socially advanced?
That seems like a very strange and massive assumption to make. Colonialism seems to be a pretty universal trait on this planet, I don't see why we would assume it wouldn't be on another.
Because the level of group cohesion and social/technological advancement it would require to develop the capacity for interstellar travel is a lot higher than the level it takes to build some ships and cross a body of water to kill the local natives?
Colonialism was/is primarily the end result of the pursuit of acquiring more land/resources/human labor by force. It stands to reason that a civilization capable of interstellar travel would likely have no need for human labor or our resources and no interest in waging interplanetary warfare for no reason like a B-rate sci-fi movie from the seventies.
briaen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:49:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes but if they speak in binary and aren't based 10(they won't be) the numbering system won't be the same.
Even though that sounds reasonable, there's no reason to be sure that mathematica couldn't be appoached differently. A physics example that gives a perfect example is the fact that we have both quantum physics and conventional physics, but they are not interchangeable. Stuff just seems to follow different rules on smaller scales. Physicians from all over the world are still looking for the theory that explains both conventional and quantum physics phenomena. One approach they're working out is the string theory, but we're not sure whether it's going to work out. Another example: even though we discovered the Higgs boson, we are still not completely sure if the standard model is complete, as the model has no way to explain gravity. There are tons of other examples to mention.
The same applies for every other part of science, including maths, sometimes a certain model is not complete enough to explain everything. There's a good chance that the mathematics we have nowadays will keep working, but it's not said that it will always be the solution for everything. Who knows, maybe we'll end up with two mathematical systems in the future because one doesn't work in certain situations. And then we can start searching for a system that works in both situations. Science is awesome.
The foundations of logic are 100% empirically derived, unless you can objectively explain to me why we use classic logics vs. say, intuitionist logics, fuzzy logics, quantum logics, multi-valued logics, or any of a plethora of logical systems. We primarily use the one we do due to empirical reasons -- specifically, that it is "useful" to us.
Math is not a true science, though it is a field of study. Math can be "approached" in various ways but it doesn't really change as we learn more, in the same way that physics changes and we develop more accurate models for it. Math doesn't have models, its more like the model-maker. Tbh, I don't really have the background to discuss this in depth, and im hoping a mathematician will hop in and clarify further. This is just what I remember being told by actual mathematicians in the past.
1 means 1
2 means 2
3 means please xir don't eat me
zamoose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy Anathems.
tael89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People say this, but there was a long time where 0 wasn't a concept and an even greater time where negative numbers made no sense.
Nerdn1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math is good for saying "I'm intelligent and want to talk" but it is NOT easy to get from math to other subjects. I like math, but at a certain point you have to start pointing at stuff and saying the word (or other representation like written word, braille representation, etc.) for the thing.
I wonder which language would be best to use. English has some quirks that are almost embarrassing to try to explain, such as homonyms and homographs. Then there are contronyms which are words that can mean the opposite of themselves. Limiting the complexity and ambiguity of the language would be the best. I don't know enough about other languages to cite an ideal one. Maybe simplifying an existing language would also work.
Also, the way we think about things and communicate could be very different. Imagine an octopus-like alien who cannot vocalize (and subsequently weights auditory information less) and communicates through a complex sign language requiring multiple flexible limbs and color-changing skin, possibly using some colors outside our visual range or that we can't differentiate. They might try to teach us their language and get frustrated when we stare blankly in confusion.
zcv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could for example use a light or sound to represent certain values
Assuming that the aliens see and hear in the same parts of the visible and audible spectrum that we do.
And then you find out that they are using an base 8 system.
ailee43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all depending what modulus and base they use for their math. Its surmountable, but if they count in hex, or octal, or something else, initially we wont talk "the same language".
Olli399 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We will likely know that aliens are coming to earth, long before they actually get here. Plus we couldn't physically interact due to potential diseases.
Why not use atomic structure? Then as long as they are in this universe helium is always helium, etc. It will also give you a much larger base to work with for extremely complex ideas.
No you need something extra how would you say hello in maths - you could exchange a number system easily and go to functions from there, but it is completely unrelated to hello or the vast panoply of concepts and ideas. You need pictures. A picture of a human with arrows to bits and pieces with them named, then illustrations for walking, talking, etc Once you have delineated a number of words you can build it up from there just using words. Eg Running = fast + walking etc. You could just use black and white square bitmaps for the pictures - they wouldn't take long for people to work out from a stream of binary code.
What if they are so advanced they realize that 1 unit of anything is simply concentrated energy and instead they communicate using their brains to send subconcious, hyper-dimensional waves.
I'm actually curious: how do you connect the abstract (light signals and math) with the non abstract (like peace/ water/ star/ whatever you want to say)? I mean, our language only works because someone showed you the abstract signal (sound or writing) and combined it with the thing. How do you do that if you only have abstract communication and can't show them what you mean by that?
On stargate the example the used to show human intelligence/to communicate with another species (the asgard I think) was drawing a representation of Pi and some other mathematical concepts.
Though I realize while typing this that we discovered Pi long, long ago so maybe not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what number means please don't kill us
aqf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if they don't understand abstract representations of things?
[deleted] ยท 342 points ยท Posted at 13:38:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they're telepathic or something I'm pretty sure we could figure out how they communicate.
Being able to talk to them might be a real challenge though. The animals here on earth can't communicate directly with us, and aren't intelligent enough to really understand us.
mp54 ยท 353 points ยท Posted at 13:52:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, my dog is pretty smart. She's also very clear when she's hungry, has to pee or wants to play. So as long as the aliens are simple people, we should be ok.
I mean, I'd be lying if I said "No, I definitely don't want to fuck an Asari," while playing Mass Effect.
ds612 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment reminded me of a planet in the star wars galaxy that housed perfect specimens of humans who communicated via pheromones and just want everyone to be happy overall. I would like to be visited by such beings.
ds612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the one? I can't remember. I think that may be it but I have doubts of anything alien starting with Z that has 2 syllables because they keep reminding me of the time I watched Dude Where's My Car and people were always doing the "Zoltan" gang sign in real life.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:15:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least then I'd stop being a virgin.
hahajustkiddingimsolonely
OhMy_No ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death by snu snu.
demalo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough I'm surprised there isn't a DNA dating site where you're paired up with the most compatible person based on your DNA. It could be an interesting experiment.
Wouldn't that... pair you with your parents? Or at least direct family members? Because if that's the case, there's a pretty good reason for that.
demalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I started doing a little googling and there are a few out there apparently. Studies have been done showing some couples with opposite immune systems are more compatible and generally last longer than those couples with similar immune systems. DNA sites are basing their matches on this information using markers that indicate differences in immune systems. Far from perfect, but an interesting start to finding good genetic pairings.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we are the dog in this scenario.
Fraerie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And probably not a very smart one at that (think red setter).
It's really difficult, true, but if you turn it into a deeply involved hobby or job then you can learn them pretty well. I also know people that have just taught their parrots to use flashcards to say what they want and how they feel.
Z0di ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Parrots have the largest bird brain; they really aren't representative.
But we can interpret basic cues (wagging tail vs growling) and respond according to instincts we know. That's how people form relationships with wild animals.
All animals have their own communication via body language, which can be studied and interpreted by humans with a little time. For example, I can tell what mood my horse is in and what they're going to do next based off of the angle of their ears. With a bit of time spent around horses, anybody could learn this. And it's not a domestication thing - horses in the wild, across all continents, display the same basic body language. This same thing applies to nearly all mammals.
Fish and birds, on the other hand, have entirely different methods of body language and communication. That, I have not studied and can't really say anything about.
False I have a wolf and she walks into her cage and yipps when hungry walks to backdoor and yipps when she has to go outside it's all in the training my dude she doesn't even attack my chickens anymore like she did when she was a puppy
I feel like people say this shit a lot, about pretty much anything pertaining to dogs and their relationship to humans, and always with no actual proof to back it up.
This is one thing that is certainly not because of the way dogs have been bred. You can teach fish to surface for food. Bears will rear up and snarl to tell others to GTFO. I've even got a friend who has trained the neighborhood squirrels to eat out of her hand when she sits in a particular spot. People and animals communicate all the frickin time. It has nothing to do with genetics.
Apparently a lot of dogs can be made to recognize about 200 words and at least one has learned almost a thousand. Humans, however, don't seem to be as able to recognize the nuances of dog communication.
mp54 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:49:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or that we simply lack motivation. We still get fed even if we don't understand what the dog is trying to communicate. Dogs are dependent on humans and it's in their best interest to understand us.
Some one made a similar argument about crows. The birds apparently recognize human individuals but humans can rarely identify an individual crow. Humans are dangerous and a critical part of the crow's environment. It's in their best interest to identify us but we are almost entirely unaffected by the crow's needs.
Exactly. And this is why I want us to develop tools to communicate with elephants, dolphins and other primates. I think if we could speak to an elephant or a dolphin we'd probably start to take care of the animal world since we would be able to actually understand their needs too. It's not that they can't communicate, they speak a different language. Now, as the more intelligent species, I'd say that the onus is on us to build tools and methods to understand these creatures as it is, to an extent, in our interests to understand them.
Hmm, likely we'll need some kind of subsonic detection system to understand how they communicate with each other over long distances using the ground, which they have been known to do. Probably need some kind of camera-based recognition system to understand what their trunk positions mean too as they likely use those to communicate with each other as well.
Symbols. There is at least one elephant that can paint a pretty damn darn good elephant. I feel out own sense of surperioty is the man problem. There trucks are almost as useful as our hands.
When it really comes down to it are we the smarter ones? Dolpines, some whales and elephants brains look to be more advanced then ours. For example dolpines have been seen to get high, masturbate with eels, and after recording pods and putting it thru computer programs we have seen that they gossip. Of those creatures we are the only ones that have bent nature and the world to our wills. Makes me wonder who is actually more advanced.
They also have names. We have no idea what they mean but we have been able to determine they do have names for each other they use (clicks and coose that we need a computer to figure out for us.)
It's just mind boggling to me that we are still convinced we are so much better. Human ignorance simply needs to ve over come and we really should look at these creatures as equals. India has the right idea classifying dolpines as near human people.
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons. The last ever dolphin message was misinterpreted as a surprisingly sophisticated attempt to do a double-backwards-somersault through a hoop whilst whistling the 'Star Spangled Banner', but in fact the message was this: So long and thanks for all the fish.
Hahaha I was hoping some won went they there. Your welcome. For the fish.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be difficult though. I believe communication in the animal kingdom is mostly stuff like alerting to threats,mating calls, territorial calls etc, i.e they all serve a purpose.
I don't think there'd be any other animal that talks just for the sake of it. Although there was the gorilla that learnt to sign.
Well, we don't know that. It's better to find out that animals don't talk for the sake of talking than speculate that they don't talk just for the sake of it.
It's easy enough for us to recognize simple stuff like that and, for most animals, there may be no more to it than that but...there are a few animals that show intelligence at the level of human children. Perhaps you're right and there's nothing there but how would we know? I don't think we pay enough attention to say with certainty that there is nothing there.
Maybe the problem is to create some sort of "lingua franca" that doesn't require hands or a sophisticated vocal apparatus. Maybe this discussion belongs in r/conlangs (or r/minlangs).
mp54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are few things in this world that I put more effort into than trying to have a full conversation with my dog.
So I assume you recognize that barks are not all the same and that body language is very significant. Still, even the cow-dog handler is typically limited to passing a good deal of information to the dog and getting very little in return.
What I have often wondered is...Would it be possible to teach a responsive animal like a dog some system of communication that would be easily intelligible to a human? Vocalizations with a very limited number of phonemes? Manual communication without hands? Maybe a combination of those and something else? It's pure speculation and I have no answers.
mp54 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you're saying and completely theoretically, wouldn't it be easier to learn their system and adapt to what they naturally do? That way a specific bark would mean one thing and other dogs would already think the same way?
I obviously have no real answers either, totally just making this up.
Yeah... I suppose just paying more attention to what the dog is thinking would be a step in the right direction but I suppose I was thinking that given some intermediate system that was accessible to both species would make it easier to teach new concepts that were not already familiar.
Not to mention that a communication system accessible to both dogs and humans would probably be accessible to other species as well...elephants, at least. Maybe even crows and dolphins...
Pasuma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not given that aliens would have to do those things and he probably couldnt tell you what abstract thing (for us ) he has to do without word by word translations
mp54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hieroglyphics
budom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...but they won't be ok because of us :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did a study with wolves and dogs where they locked some food in a cage. The dogs gave up after a few tries and looked to the handlers to open the cage while the wolves just tried to tear it open.
What if we're not intelligent enough to talk to them, really makes u think
wxsted ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many animals are able to understand people if they live with or around them. Not at the same level of a person, of course. But if we're talking about an intelligent species they'll have a language to communicate, unlike all the species (beside us) we know. And any language can be translated.
Some animals seem to communicate rather effectively with one another but humans can't really understand them. If it's just a question of intelligence maybe we need to work harder.
cryo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but their comminication is vastly more primitive than ours. They donโt discuss art or mathematics.
But look at dolphins. People have been putting a lot of effort into understanding their language but have very little to show for it. I think it's because dolphins have a part of their brain we don't have that lets them "see" sound. That's how they communicate. We don't have the ability to understand. Like a blind person trying to learn sign language
I am currently streaming music into my Bluetooth headphones. That means that I am currently receiving communication from a computer that has been translated through electrical pulses on copper, then into light as it is broadcast and rebroadcast hundreds of miles (or maybe via microwaves to/from space depending on the route), then back into microwave radiation to my phone, where it is again translated into Bluetooth signal into my headphones that translate that Bluetooth microwave signal into sound waves.
Most of our images of the universe in telescopes are actually receiving wavelength well outside of the visible light spectrum. When you see cool pictures in National Geographic or on Cosmos, they've simply mapped the various wavelengths into visible light colors so they make sense to our eyes.
Once you can discover some sort of pattern to the communication, it's easily possible to translate that into a signal we understand. The challenge could come if it's some sort of signal we don't currently have devices to receive. Many animals communicate via pheromones and smells. While we can build chemical detectors for certain chemical markers, it could be really challenging to build a language out of varying types of chemical structures. Similarly, they could communicate by certain vibrations of quarks or just via such advanced technology we don't even have the physics to decode it. Imagine if the ancient Egyptians or Greek were trying to communicate to a WiFi Router. The WiFi router would be more than happy to communicate over 802.11a - 802.11n, but the ancients had no detectors able to receive those signals.
cryo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because itโs probably not a coincidence that we happen to see and hear those ranges. You are assuming that itโs by random chance, but that doesnโt have to be the case. For example, we donโt breathe oxygen by chance; there are other elements on earth that can be used as an oxidizing agent in a similar way, but itโs the one that gives the most energy.
Fudge89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They may communicate in a way that we haven't even conceived. Something nonexistent in our world. Like imaging how they communicate would be like trying to image a new color.
the limits of my language are the limits of my world
Exactly this. Meeting an another intelligent species would figuratively mean that two worlds collide. The problem is simple, everytime we try to imagine an alien species in our minds, which relies heavily on experience, and those experiences are heavily colored by culture and our human nature. So every time we imagine an alien, it is more human like than real aliens actually might be. We have zero clue how real aliens could look like and behave. Everything is possible. Hell, they could even have a completly different perception of time and communicate something in the blink of an eye, and we would never percieve it because we are too slow.
cryo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but I donโt think so. Same physics, same possible chemistry etc.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except they live in the same universe bound by the same physical laws. Also, itโs not hard to conceptually imagine a new color, just like we can imagine a 7 dimensional space if we want to. Sure, we canโt visualize it, but we are pretty good abstract thinkers.
ggouge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we cared enough we could talk to dolphins.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or... maybe we aren't intelligent enough to communicate with other animals
Especially when you take the comms lag into account. Let's say we get super luck and find a species to communicate with as close as 5 light years away, that's a 10 year round trip just to say hello to each other. In the time between messages, world leaders will have come and gone, maybe even whole countries.
And that's once we even manage to get communications working. Imagine how long it will take to learn the languages.
"Does blorp mean cheese? Ask them if blorp means cheese."
10 years later.
"Apparently blorp doesn't mean cheese. What is cheese anyway? That weird food our parents used to eat? Anyway apparently blorp means 'prepare for our imminent nuclear attack and invasion'. I don't think we're getting anywhere here, we built our entire understanding of their language on blorp meaning cheese."
its easy. all we have to get across is "take me to your reddit". once we understand how they troll each other, share memes, build each other up and then mercilessly tear them down in the same day, we will know everything about their species.
problem is, they are going to want to see ours too. and i think that wouldnt be a good idea.
No more cheese. Humanity finally evolves past eating rotten milk in solid form and begins to make food that tastes good without being masked by falt, salt, and calories.
Reminds me of the 'World War' series by Harry Turtledove. Aliens send probes to Earth and see us riding around on horseback firing arrows at each other. Because the alien civilisation takes thousands of years to evolve they figure it'll be fine that there's a time lag between the probe and their invasion fleet arriving. They end up showing up in the middle of World War II.
You left out the best part: they didn't have any military technology when they sent the probe, so they, with their much more advanced levels of science and research, build a military from the ground up to invade and show up basically with modern tanks and assault rifles.
There was an old sci fi story about this, the secret is you just keep talking so you say hi and don't stop so ten years later the aliens start getting a bunch of information and questions and start responding and for the next ten years they keep answering every newly arrived message. Meanwhile we keep up a one sided conversation for twenty years until we start getting answers to our last twenty years of communication so then you start asking follow ups.
That is assuming no time spent initially learning the language but that's why you start with language books and basic history and science before saying anything else
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And what are the chances that they're that close? It's vastly more likely that they're thousands of light years away.
Also, what's to say that they even exist in the same tiny window of time as we do? They could have reached their zenith and then went extinct 10 million years ago. Or perhaps they're still swinging from trees, and won't evolve for another 10 million years.
And what are the chances that they're that close? It's vastly more likely that they're thousands of light years away.
Exactly. While we can probably forget finding someone to talk to in another galaxy, even in our own, 5 LY would be beyond lucky, but assuming a more realistic 500-30,000LY distance, entire empires rise and fall in that time. and we start talking about getting a response in the time it took for all of human recorded history to happen. Just trying to imagine any meaningful discourse blows my mind. That doesn't work too well with a joke about cheese, though.
If such a thing were to happen, it is likely there would be a steady stream of communications heading both ways in order to provide as much data as possible to assist with understanding.
0vl223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be 10 years until you receive the first codified message and answered them.
Now you have to find out how they codified the data and test different ways and send back some data and after a few decades you maybe have a communication where you still don't have the slightest what they are saying.
It would be like trying to identify a picture on the internet by using a oscilloscope on your lan cable.
But most likely any communication would be constant although not back and forth. So us or them constantly receiving in those intervening years will allow analysis and likely some understanding. Communication isn't like computers waiting on input. We'd have a huge database of 5-10 years worth of data to work with and decrypt.
DeemDNB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey alien, is your name Honk Honk?"
"Blarg."
"Wait... I think Blarg means yes! Alien, does Blarg mean yes?"
"Blarg."
"Holy shit! Blarg means yes!"
"Or, Blarg means no. In which case he just said, "No, Blarg does not mean yes.""
"What? No way. Hey alien, am I right?"
"Blarg."
"See? What the fuck do you know?"
The main issue is that we can't get along with each other let alone another intelligent species.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:11:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or as NGT once said, a one percent difference in DNA is what devides us from the apes. Imagine trying to communicate with something one percent more advanced than us.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mathematics and science, if other life has advanced enough to make it so we can contact them then basic maths and stuff would be the way forward I guess, much like how Voyager has instructions inscribed on it I believe.
What do I know though, maybe they communicate through erotic dance.
Imagine Trump, "leader of the free world" having to communicate via erotic dance.
...rule 34...there must be...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, unless we would be the first intelligent life they have encountered, I'm pretty sure they would know how to get the ball rolling. This likely wouldn't be their first rodeo
If they are smart enough to master space flight, you have to imagine they'll include someone who is well versed in learning communication techniques.
If we are met by a hyper-intelligent species, we are probably not the first species they have met with.
D4Y_M4N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they are intelligent figuring out the communication probably wouldn't be as difficult as a lot of people think. We have learned to communicate with people of different languages and animals all throughout history. Bit yeah if they are totally different in structure and use telepathy or something that would be super effed up.
micza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pattern recognition is key. Both parties make passive attempts to communicate until one can pick up on linguistic trends and build upon that. That's assuming they don't communicate through deadly gasses.
An interesting sidenote for you maybe. Have you heared of the pioneer plague? It is a plate, which containts information about our species and is placed on the pioneer aircraft, in case they get found by other species. it containts information about our origin and stuff.
Lol. Pioneer plaGue. The poor species that finds it gets decimated only to build their population back up to invade the asshats that sent them a plague.
Math. Math is universal, we would have to figure out how to represent it (I'm sure they dont use our number system) but I'd think that's how we would "speak" to them.
Not just the method, but think of the frame of reference. They would see the universe so differently I don't know if, even if we both used language, if we'd ever be able to understand each other.
So much of what we say and feel and think is based on prior knowledge/experiences/widely held truths etc and if a species doesn't have any of that, how can it communicate with us
The main issue would be finding them. The odds of existence somewhere else is very high, but they will most likely be monocellular. There may be other animals, but the odds of us finding another civilization in our lifetime, or even our grand children's is very low.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do think there is other multicellular light just like us out there, but I'm starting to think interstellar travel must be more challenging than we think if even advanced civilizations haven't done it and visited other intelligent life yet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Forever War series is a sci-fi series that touches on this topic, though it is also largely a viewpoint into social issues surrounding American troops in the Vietnam war era.
I recommend you watch "Arrival". It's an awesome alien movie that differs from a lot of other alien movie plots, as the main character is a linguistics professor and deals with just this.
Remember humans are currently at the bottom of the tech tree for space-related stuff.
Due to the distances involved, meaningful communication with an alien species is either going to require FTL information transfer (which is impossible as far as we know), or the aliens are going to have to get closer to us than typical interstellar distances. In either case the aliens are going to be much more advanced than us. And in that case they'll probably also be much more adept at translation than we are, so "we" woudn't need to worry about the translation.
Not even necessarily intelligent life, just finding life outside of Earth would be amazing. Just to know that life isn't a bug in the universe, but a feature!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the short story called "The Story of Your Life" by Ted Chiang. Ofc it's fiction, but it's a pretty cool look at how we'd potentially communicate with other life forms.
If your not familiar with his work already I suggest watching Isaac Arthur on YouTube. His Channel has amazing objective breakdown of how possible alien first contact could happen and handled.
Agreed. It could be completely different or fairly similar, we have no idea. The benefit we have is that we can measure most anything. Light waves, RF, ultrasonic, microwave, etc. So, we would have a decent chance at picking SOMETHING up.
But on the other hand, I have always loved the a analogy that is not "hearing" anything is similar to a guy that walks in an office building today with a walkie talkie and says "nobody here is communicating." We may just completely lack the technology of an alien species, much like walkie talkie man can't hear cell phones or internet on it.
There are only so many things in the universe that can be sensed (that we're aware of), and we're able to detect most of them with the right tools. So as long as aliens don't communicate exclusively via gravitational waves or higgs bosons or something, we'll probably be able to work something out.
MrPeppa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I figure the main issue would be the difference between how advanced we are compared to them. Odds are either we'll be vastly superior to them or they'd be vastly superior to us. In that scenario, going by what we humans have done to each other, subjugation of the less advanced species is inevitable. Communication would only come into play as a vehicle for that subjugation.
We'd likely have to resort to writing. Of course it's always possible to learn a new language, but being able to communicate an alien one might be downright impossible for us talkers. Take for example Rikchiks, a group of aliens that can't speak. They have to use their tentacles to "talk" so we'd probably just draw a series of tentacle movements to communicate with them. As for the Rikchiks talking back to humans, they'd probably get confused on why all these strange shapes equate to phones they can't hear and would probably just draw a simple diagram of our mouth moving to show what phones they're trying to produce.
This is just one example, or we could try to do what Star Wars did where everyone knows each other's language and just speaks the one they can properly pronounce.
We managed to communicate on a global level despite people speaking different languages, being blind, deaf or mentally handicapped in some way, so I reckon we could learn to level with some aliens.
Let's go on the hypothetical that we make contact with an intelligent species in the next 70 years. And I'm talking like we can communicate directly contact, not we picked up some radio signals 1000 light years away (which would still be cool).
If that's the case, then it almost certainly means they traveled here, and if they have the technology to do that, then they more than likely have the technology to decipher our languages and translate, to communicate with us.
horyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a fascinating story on this by the same writer/producer(?), Ted Chiang, of Arrival called "Story of Your Life and others." Basically there's this long process in which human linguists try to decode the language of these heptapods whose entire syntax and language is non-linear and completely different than ours.
With intelligence comes the idea that the other party communicates, so even if its by pointing to a rock and saying, "Rock," followed by them saying or doing the movement that they use for rock, eventually we will discover how to communicate. Unless of course our anatomy is just so different that our concepts of communication are completely unable to sync up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming they have sight as one of their senses, we can show them Pi. They can easily decipher it to learn what symbols we use to write our numbers. Then we can show them 2 numbers added together so they can figure out our plus sign, and so on. Maybe then we can figure out a way to communicate using math.
jager1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If an alien civilization had the means of locating us, and THEN getting here... they will be more than likely advanced enough to figure out a method of commnicatation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could travel to our planet they would understand the physics to travel near light speed. We would essentially be Koko the gorilla with a crayon to them.
Among all intelligent life there is one universal language... math. Even simple things like showing them 1+1=2 would communicate the fact that we are intelligent. From there I don't think it would take long for linguists to decipher the basics and translate something simple like "help each other." The only scary part is, who finds who first? If they have the technology to travel lightyears through space to meet us then they could no doubt destroy our armies with minimal effort.
Every american space movie the aliens speak fluent English, so I don't think it will be a problem. Also they will find humans unique and special, because of the human spirit and how they never give up against adversity.
Not only that, but depending on where we discover life, they may not even exist anymore. They'd have to be relatively close for them to actually still be around. But if they're a million light years away, they may already be extinct.
TacoPhd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then, who would they communicate with? Any world leader would be biased towards their own interests. And talking to the UN would only give our alien friends headaches.
Build a common language based on atomic structure(that is a universal constant), a la Stargate SG1.
Mathematics could be difficult if they use a different base-# math. Like Base 8 vs 10 vs 2 vs 3. I'd imagine that the base-# is based on how many digits they have on their hands :D
xRom3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to think we'd find a way, together. But the fact that laws between countries can already be so different makes me just wonder how different stuff would get with completely different species
Math is a universal "language" so in order to communicate and prove that we are an intelligent species we would have to attempt to communicate using math.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their communication methods would most certainly be entirely different from ours. If you only know English, You can't even talk to like half of the fellow humans in the world, let alone the hyper intelligent octopus society
Didn't they find out that dolphins can have high pitched back and forth conversations recently? Considering how intelligent dolphins are, it would be so amazing if we could figure out how to speak dolphin and try to communicate with them intelligently.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is said that mathematics is a universal language that would be used.
Buwaro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would honestly expect that they, being hyper intelligent, would quickly learn a way to easily and efficiently communicate with us, and not the other way around.
Hint227 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly through Math or Morse code. Math is an universal "language" - if we can use it to try to talk to the aliens, that'd be good. We could try to teach them Morse by using Math (don't know how, but we could try), and then Voilรก.
It would probably take only a few months to be able to communicate with each other if we were both trying together. Word by word, step by step every day all day. I would love for that to happen and even more to be a part of it
Pictographical match or DNA sequencing (assuming they are a carbon based lifeform).
Cizzar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's only so many ways to transmit information and if they're intelligent enough that we don't just take their planet and kill them all, they will have more than one way to communicate
allADD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have this idea for a sci fi story where a group of aliens takes over Earth but not through violence. Instead they've just got this incredibly sophisticated grasp of language that allows them to more or less psychologically harass humans into submission.
They might not even have the same sensory fields. Maybe they don't hear in the same frequencies as us, or even don't sense air vibration at all. Maybe they don't sense visible light. Maybe they have sensory organs picking up different radiations instead.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well not that different, I bet, since itโs the same physics.
Consider that they're thinking the same thing. We'd send all our best linguists and communication experts to meet them, and they'd do the same. With everyone's top scientists working on it, I'm sure communication would be established relatively quickly.
The balโkar are a race of hive-minded monsters driven by lust and an insatiable appetite to breed and spread across the universe. This drive comes from their biologically perfect body and their "one mind" Which boosts their confidence to be able to achieve such things.
The chances of us finding a species out there at similar societal and technological level as us is slim to none.
There's a far more likely scenario that we're either going to find amoeba level life, maybe cavemen level if we're lucky, or we're going to find alien life so advanced, that they're basically gods to us. And if that happens, only time will tell if we stumbled into a society of angels, or an army of demons.
I saw a brilliant analogy to our current situation a while ago:
Imagine the Empire State Building. Then put a nickel on the top of the spire, Then put another Empire State building on top of the nickel. This entire arrangement is the level of intelligence a species can go through. Starting from the bottom, we have single celled organisms all the way up to vertebrates, dinosaurs, early mammals, Neanderthals, modern humans. The nickel is us right now in this very moment. This is our society. Then continuing upwards, we have advancements in medicine, space travel, immortality, matter manipulation, energy harvesting, artificial intelligence, and all the other goofy stuff we have seen and not seen in science fiction yet.
What are the odds that we'll find a civilization that fits into that nickel, the same as us? Considering the universe is already 13.54 billion years old, and we got to where we are now in just 100,000 years (3 billion years if you include all life, and not just Homo Sapien's existence)?
Considering the first stars likely wouldn't have harboured life due to a lack of heavy elements. Our 4.3 billion year old sun could possibly be the first star to generate life. Though more life is likely to evolve there is a strong chance that we are the highest form of intelligence in the universe.
Advanced Alien Civilization Encounters earth via a scouting ship, and picks up a radio transmission whilst in Earth's orbit
"TONIGHT WE MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"
"Captain, they have yet to evolve or unify. We must not violate the Prime Directive. I recommend we keep going. Maybe we will find something on Pluto."
I want to see permanent peaceful diplomatic relations with all the countries on earth first. Meeting aliens before then would be like having the most important guest of your life show up and your house is still a stanky mess.
Could be they have already found us, but since we can't get along we just look like waring tribes to them. Too violent to risk engaging with. Could be they are afraid of putting their own race at risk.
Either alien, or some kinda Hyper intelligent octopus society.
Like from earth? or a highly intelligent octopus society from space? cause that too would just be aliens.
saq1610 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd have a hard time imagining peace with a foreign alien species when we humans aren't at peace with ourselves, other animals or hell even with nature of the earth itself.
10,000 years of civilization here and we can't do diplomatic relations with ourselves. And you think we can do it with another species with an entirely different set of language, rules, norms, values, and morals? We'd probably nuke them in a year flat.
Blue Hades already do this but it's less diplomatic relations and more tolerating a stray animal.
Tr3vvv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If an alien species came to earth wouldn't it be fairly safe to assume they're peaceful? The thing that holds humans back seems to be war and conflict.
jbui63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hyper intelligent octopus society
Sounds a lot like a certain anime in Netflix.
Maybe they're out there waiting for us to be able to make peaceful diplomatic relations among ourselves as human beings. They keep our planet vibrating at a certain wavelength where we can't see or detect them, and they're only going to let us be a part of the intergalactic community after we can figure out how to not be fucking awful to each other all the time.
TDIMike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah there. How about peaceful diplomatic relations with human beings first.
Xenjael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have always wondered since Starplex by Robert J. Sawyer if there will be a day we communicate with dolphins and realize they are just as intelligent as we are.
It might be the case we find out the foreign intelligent species isn't even off our planet, we just live worlds so different it never occurred to either of us that we're intelligent.
I mean, would dolphins really think us intelligent? What are boats to them? Perhaps humans are just like the fish that cling to larger animals in the water, or like algae growing on a turtle shell from their pov.
Just saying, I suspect animals are more intelligent in their own ways than we've given credit.
Chances are if we do meet an alien species we'll think them dumb because of our inherent differences, when the opposite is quite the case.
I'd be satisfied with the technology to explore the deepest parts of the ocean. The same technology would help with the advancements towards space I think. Deeper ocean levels would require a more durable metal able to withstand unimaginable pressures, ideas on how to adapt supplies of Oxygen to last, and working out energy issues too.
[deleted] ยท 3113 points ยท Posted at 13:05:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding intelligent life on earth would be pretty cool.
Zapsy ยท 1514 points ยท Posted at 13:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ekyou ยท 329 points ยท Posted at 14:01:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys joke, but there have been some pretty great strides being made in the field of animal cognition recently. Of course most of that is just cognitive psychologists actually doing any research on the topic after spending the last century denying that animals were capable of thinking.
ne3ko ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:40:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
antaryon ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:05:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because chimps use rocks to crack nuts doesn't mean they live in the stone age. Lots of animals use rocks as tools. The big step in technological advancement is creating tools, not using them. When monkeys learn to tie a rock to a stick, that's when they'll enter the stone age.
Yeah I'm a lot more impressed by what crows and macaws are capable of pulling off within the limits of their bodies, and that they'd even be willing to do what they do given the advantage of flight. Upright walking apes with hands like ours that can barely do dick with 'em really aren't that incredible. They say gorillas are as smart as average six year old human, bullshit. Show me a six year old who can't draw a stick figure or build a Lego house. Gorillas are dumb as hell, and their brains are BIGGER than ours. Pretty sure whales and dolphins are smarter. Other great apes get way too much credit. Harambe deserved it. End of my fuck gorillas rant.
It's not necessarily a fast twitch vs smooth muscle issue as much as the parts of their brains that control fine motor control, abstract thought, problem solving. Birds are better, really. Some Apes are just big strong mega retarded human impersonators. I feel for them as creatures of the earth, I'm just more impressed by birds. They make me wonder what dinosaurs were really like.
prsnep ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the monkeys that sun-dry nuts for days and then use a rock sharpened by another rock as a means of opening. That seems like a meta-tool, which I believe is one of the things you have to look for when looking for that kind of progression.
They have been shown capable of to join a stick to a stick to make a longer stick that can reach something
ne3ko ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as much that they are using stone tools, than the fact that they're passing those tools down generations that is marking the Stone Age for them.
I found a book written in the 50s that argued that chimpanzees were incapable of language because their vocal apparatus was incapable of making human speech. That was before Koko and Nim Chimpski blew that argument apart.
Now, are we to argue that elephants and dolphins are incapable of speech because they have no hands?
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:49:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communication is not the same as language. You'd have to get a linguist to explain the details, but IIRC language requires a degree of adaptability i.e. not just assigning a motion or noise to a meaning like 'prey nearby'.
Absolutely true. All living things exchange information with their environment but there's no reason to call that "language". Linguists typically define language in such a way as to exclude anything except human language and that makes sense but... there are some animals whose communication systems blur that line. Having specific names for individuals and having regional "dialects", for example, comes close to meeting the criterion you mentioned. I am not arguing that the word "language" would accurately describe their communication systems but the parallels are obvious.
There was an African Grey parrot named Alex who could pick up blue triangles, for example, on command from an assortment of colored and shaped objects. He could learn and adapt to new voice commands to describe different things and answer somewhat abstract questions, with his own voice. That motherfucker was using language, no question. I'd call him nearly as developed as an autistic kindergartener, linguistically.
He's the only recorded animal that, using human language, has asked a sophisticated question. He asked what color he was. Granted, other primates have asked for bananas, toys, etc. But none of those questions shows the same awareness of self and usage of language.
I remember Alex. His vocabulary wasn't huge but he did know what the individual words meant and was able to combine them in meaningful ways and to create new words when needed. I believe that Dr. Pepperberg had some other parrots that did some remarkable things with words and numbers.
Alex had no concept of grammar but he seemed more convincing than many other animals simply because he was able to vocalize human words.
Well, I can pick up on my dog's mood pretty easily and I know he empathizes with mine. He responds to voice commands, and I respond to his. I'm obviously smarter than him, but our language barrier really just comes down to available tools.
It's a communication barrier that prevents connection with others, more or less. Linguistics are communication, more or less. An iPhone is highly intelectual, but for all intents and purposes, can't really use language in the self originating way Alex could. This dude was like straight up "I'm hungry," as a function of biological need, not programming to refill a printer cartridge.
Sure, but your metrics are a little off. You're referring to 25% at most, so when you say the child is autistic statistically speaking they can probably speak and communicate simple things just fine. You could maybe push it to 30% if you include people whose sensory processing problems mean they physically cannot feel bodily sensations (though thats generous, it usually overlaps because if you can't feel how your tongue/mouth/throat is moving have fun trying to talk), but it's still a minority. Not being a dick, just pointing out that it didn't make sense.
Well, it also requires some standardisation of grammar, concept of verb, noun etc. Now, whilst I can say that animals do not use the same language form as us i.e using their mouth and vocal cords, at least some animals could use other forms of verbal cues such as footfalls and other more cryptic methods of communication which we haven't fully understood or done serious research into.
Right! The point I was making was that the author decided that the animal was incapable of language (not just spoken language) when his argument could just as well have been applied to deaf humans. There is still room to be argued that the apes that have learned human sign language do not really have a grasp of grammar although they do appear to have a grasp of semantics. That is, they appear to know what words 'mean' but have an incomplete conception of how sentences work. Curiously, similar arguments have been advanced when describing the skills of humans who have only learned a formal language after adulthood. So...maybe?
That's a blanket statement that covers way too much. If I find out elephants or crows can talk to us, what does that have to do with cows and chickens?
Ekyou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you have your words mixed up. "Sentience" is actually almost the exact opposite of cognition. All it describes is whether an organism shows consistent reactions to pain and pleasure, and just about any animal with a central nervous system fits this criteria and thensome. There's very little argument over whether animals are sentient.
That said, if you're trying to argue that if we can somehow confirm that animals have cognition then more people will become vegans... I honestly doubt it would have that much of an impact. The vast majority of educated people are aware of how livestock are treated, accept that these animals are distressed by their deaths, and still eat meat for a variety of reasons. I think most of these people will always find moral justifications to eat meat regardless of what the latest study on animal cognition says.
_Arget_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like knowing that these animals have thoughts is different than knowing they expierance distress. It's the difference between eating something that doesn't understand, the basic conception of animal, versus the pig from charlottes webs.
Kaerhis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apes in mountain of Osaka has observed us for decades and now steals coins from humans and use the vending machines for food and drink. Animals are hella smarter than we gave them credit for, yeah.
I'm so cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month.
Fraerie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons. The last ever dolphin message was misinterpreted as a surprisingly sophisticated attempt to do a double-backwards-somersault through a hoop whilst whistling the 'Star Spangled Banner', but in fact the message was this: So long and thanks for all the fish.
Real talk, elephants, dolphins, many apes and many species of birds (ravens, magpies, etc.) are incredibly intelligent. I think many animals are smarter than humans like to give them credit, but those I mentioned among others are seriously bright. I think keeping animals like dolphins, apes/monkeys and elephants in zoos is horrific. These animals know they are caged and on display.
I think the most devastating thing to think of and learn about is pigs. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs. Pigs are fucking smart. And what do we do? We butcher them. We eat these smart creatures because they can't actually do anything about it.
The taste of bacon is just the taste of sadness, for me. My ethics instructor is to blame. He told us how smart pigs are & he (unintentionally) made me a pescatarian. I only eat the things I would kill myself, now. I couldn't kill a pig to save my life. I am totally fine with catching and preparing fish & many other water creatures, though.
I am agreeing with you. I don't buy or cook meat personally because, as a Hindu, I am not really supposed to be helping animal slaughter and so, I don't. But, I will, from time to time, indulge myself because sometimes, you just need that delicious flavour.
I think the way animal farming is done currently is unsustainable and extremely harmful to the animals concerned and that we do need to, as a species, control our meat consumption and reduce it over time and, more importantly, help make farms unprofitable and thus force companies to break their stranglehold on the farmers and cut the mass production of meat. It should be a luxury item and not what it currently is, which is factory produced garbage barely passing of as meat.
the way animals are farmed is perverse, I think. I don't see a problem with hunting animals and killing them. I think there is a way to ethically farm animals, but the way we do it currently (at least in America), is far from that ideal. Animals for food should be treated with care and respect. The problem that many people have with that is the very real issue of poverty and developing nations.
Animal farming carries less risk than plant farming & it takes less space for more food. Animals can be raised in a larger variety of environments than plants. Plants have very specific needs. Plants are more susceptible to disease and pests. The biggest obstacle is finding a way to create plants with denser nutritional value and hardier, so they can grow in almost any environment. It's more of a practical issue than a moral/ethical one.
If animals were harder to farm than plants, then it would already cost more for a burger than for a salad. The other thing to note, which you mentioned, is that "cheap meat" is not just meat- it's filler. I can go to the grocery store and get a pound of ground meat for anything from $2.50 to $7.00, depending on the ratio of meat to fat content and whether it is frozen or refrigerated.
I am a believer in nature and the circle of life, so I really don't have a problem with the concept of eating meat; however, I agree the way we treat the animals we eat is completely shameful. I loath the food industry for their treatment of animals that we need to survive. Eating each other is a part of nature, but we're smart enough to not torture the animals we eat. I believe they deserve enjoyable, comfortable and caring lives up till the end. That's something we could do to at least thank them for their service to us. As far as pigs, I do agree their smart enough maybe we should take them off the list of acceptable edibles. Pigs are fucking amazing.
Mice? Mice are so dumb. I'm a neuroscientist who works with mice and it is impressive how dumb they are. There are certain tasks that they are pretty good at, but I definitely would not call them an intelligent species.
Don't forget crows and ravens, they're insanely intelligent. It's really fascinating. I wouldn't be surprised if they were an intelligent species like the mice and dolphins in Hitchhiker's.
I often say to my wife when we watch nature documentaries, "what if we're the ones doing it wrong and the animals are embarrassed of us weird pink things that invent reasons to exist and generally fuck everything up?"
Then we saw an animal with sarcoptic mange and I was like NOPE, we done it right lol
All joking aside, like viruses & tardigrades are the ultimate life aren't they. They are simple enough to work in extreme environments. I wonder if people might be more like monolithic applications (too complex)
I figure ants are the most advanced form of life. They farm, use tools, they vastly outnumber us and outweigh us in terms of biomass and are much more able to survive changes in climate.
But fungus and numerous other organisms can force them to commit suicide. There are some pretty bad-ass ants in the world, I just feel like even they might be mildly too complex
What if we, not humans but we being every species on this planet are the only life in the universe, by chance this planet had the ingredients to sustain life, but just like the bacteria we evolved from are supposed to just spread all over the observable universe and populate it over trillions of years?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:58:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cows have regularly staged their own abductions when in reality, they send a signal which triggers an auto pilot mode on their ships that they get into then pilot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't there be some sort of cow uprising? I mean, their leaders are just sitting back playing this long con; while the worker cows are all being burgerised by us. Wouldn't they at least have a union?
Damn, they have some next level commitment and discipline if they put up with us commit such an incredible genocide on their species for the sake of a long con scheme. I couldn't fathom the consequences of this long con.
TheTT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just regular capitalism, I guess.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:29:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we kill and slauhther them in mass production. i donยดt think they control us
fudgyvmp ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:59:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right before we slaughter them they return to the mothership replaced with realistic tofu replacement cows.
Or maybe we're the bovine prison planet and the cows we slaughter are intergalatic massmurderers and their descendants.
There was a old-school space game with space cows in it many years ago, and I can't remember the name. I think they were controlled by a sentient species the size of fleas though...
Cats discovered us long ago. They were the aliens that taught ancient Egyptians how to build things like the pyramids. Where do you think the Egyptians cat worship came from?
Afk94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're playing 5D chess.
xDeltoZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't mind being slaughtered because each individual cow is just a cell in the COWMIND. COWMIND has used us to multiply itself and take over vast new areas. Now we have begun testing lab-grown beef, COWMIND will soon become angry.
Interesting thing is that based on the scale of everything... Time-wise it's just as possible that there isn't another advanced civilization in our galaxy right now.
Based on the physical scale of the universe right now I'd believe there's other intelligent life out there but it's crazy how short a frame of time even we've been around and considered "intelligent life"
I can't remember what exactly it's called but there's some problem regarding finding intelligent life called a communication bubble or something? Basically if we transmit for 500 years before we die off as a species - and our little bubble of transmissions travels to a distant star with a planet that houses life that can get to us. By the time they respond with a message it'd be too late. Even if you had dozens of civilizations in a galaxy that broadcasted signals for thousands of years it is still very likely no one could respond in time for a global catastrophe, or even just the other side turning off their receivers to listen.
Panthor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be referring to the Fermi Paradox, which is the dominant theory on why ever finding alien life would be extremely rare or even impossible.
What if they are only marginally more intelligent? Like pretty much on the same standing point, but they phased out those terrible erasers that just smudge the mark not actually erase it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:36:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they somehow broke the speed of light. Which is doubtful.
And even then, the universe, even just the Milky Way, is unimaginably large. Finding a planet with life on it isn't gonna be easy.
And time is also a big thing. Maybe millions of years from now some species with highly advanced supermassive telescopes is able to detect us, while we're already completely wiped out.
While the Milky Way is insanely large, it is terribly small on a "time scale of the universe" scale. It's conservatively and roughly estimated that once you have the capacity to create orbiting habitats and habitats on other planets within your solar system, you should be able to colonize an entire galaxy within around 100 million years at current means of travel, which is a tiny period of time compared to the age of the galaxy let alone universe. Even ignoring FTL travel, assuming you survive to the solar scale, you'd expect the galaxy to eventually be colonized, or well on its way, indicating that there either hasn't been intelligent space faring life within around a billion years, as even a dead (autocorrect)* one would have tell-tale signs of having existed, or it is only now developing in its infancy, which likewise seems unlikely and coincidental.
More intelligence doesn't neccearily mean more progress.
salgat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine running into a relatively dumb race that just happened to exist for long enough (millions of years?) to somewhat brute force their way across space. Perhaps where the average IQ is ~80.
The problem is, for all the fancy technical stuff that we have, a third generation star is required for the heavy elements. Those stars are unfortunatly relativly rare as of now (AFAIK). And it gets even worse because for our definition of life a good planet at the right spot is required. I'm pretty sure those habitable planets are rare af.
While you are correct in saying those things are rare, it's important to remember that they are rare on the cosmic scale.
Even going on the most conservative estimates, there are an estimated 50 billion metal rich stars in the Milky Way, and a conservatively estimated 40 billion planets orbiting stars within their habitable zones.
Now there are absolutely reasons to think that intelligent life is exceedingly rare, but the numbers are not terribly rare at least by our human standards.
cryo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How? We have only been sending โintelligentโ signals for so long, and the universe is very very big and the speed of light is, in that context, quite low.
Yubuqq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you never know how advanced alien technology can be! They probably created us!
I would also like to see our first contact with life forms elsewhere, mostly because I'm curious to see what knowledge do they have that we don't. Yet, I feel this is an utopian desire.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:18:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it happening because if another life form entered our atmosphere we would start attacking them. It almost a threat for other countries to enter the waters or airspace of another, couldn't imagine the reaction to an unknown ship or spacecraft entering without forewarning.
Why would this lifeform do that though. People don't seem to understand that if there are alien civilizations that are/have been visiting the earth, they are most likely 100,000s if not millions of years ahead of our technology. They wouldn't make themselves known unless they wanted to. I'm sure that there are ancient civilizations in our galaxy who most likely know that Earth is a planet that can potentially harbor life, and they may have checked up to see how our little containment box is doing. I'm sure we would do that as a species in a few million years!
Have you seen human beings? If we see a thing and we like it, we take it
Why in the fuck would another species have a different mindset throughout the whole species? That's what pisses me off about like Star Trek and shit. Aliens wouldn't fuckin' have one philosophy. So if these creatures are advanced enough to find us, they would have contacted us and/or invaded us and/or begun trade with us or all three
I guess I'm talking in the context of a galactic confederation of aliens who have a set, agreed upon rule, not to interfere with budding intelligent life, a sort of quarantine, until we can prove that we are not a threat to other life. As soon as we detonated the first atomic weapons, a lot of strange activity started happening in our skies. We are not peaceful by an advanced alien standard. We are cave beasts with potentially life ending weapons.
Touche, but think about it, we are literally living a science fiction existence right now in 2017. We have mind-boggling technological capabilities than we could have even dreamed of 100 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if we have reality-shattering discoveries in the next 100.
Knowledge can be demonstrated, opinion/religion can't.
Timwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally hadnโt thought of that. Instead of just saying that something is the case, they could describe an experiment that will demonstrate it. And ideally, we shouldnโt take their word for it, we should repeat the experiment.
This is it for me. Finding other life would be a historic event of immeasurable importance to us.
Unfortunately much wouldn't change about human nature, but it'd be a step forward. Though if it was anything more than microbial (highly unlikely) it would probably rock our entire world.
joegekko ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:22:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would not be too terribly surprised if there is simple multi-cellular life under the ice on Europa.
It is terrifying, in that if we are the only life, what happens when we (life on Earth) are gone? All life ceases to exist. But if there is other life, and they are hyper intelligent, then they could possibly wipe out life on Earth.
What if all extraterrestrial life is simply super advanced AI that has gotten out of control of their original creators and is on a rampage through the universe to destroy all organic life tho?
You might actually witness this in your lifetime. NASA is sending in 2020 an expedition to Jupiter's icy moon Europa. Under Europa's layer of ice there most likely could be warm liquid water, which is the fundamental condition for life to exist. And Europa Clipper mission is supposed to check just that (and some other things).
Also, there are suspicions about Moon having tunnels deep underground with liquid water. Which could mean there's life right next to our planet.
mfb- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:34:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both NASA's Europa Clipper and ESA's JUICE have 2022 as planned launch date, although the former will arrive there faster. We'll see what they find, but even if there is life on Europa (which is unclear on its own), it is not that likely that the missions find clear evidence for it. A probe that can melt through the ice would be great, but that is far into the future. Well, if nothing goes wrong I'll stay around for several decades, so it might still happen.
I'm assuming you mean intelligent life but really don't discount the very real possibility of us finding microscopic life on Mars if we ever get human scientists there. It may seem like a whatever discovery but literally all of life that science knows of is simply the stuff originated from earth. All plants and animals share a similiar tree of life and are fundamentally the same biological mechanisms, DNA and rna and such. If we were to discover life that uses a different mechanism it would literally be the birth of an entirely new scientific field. We could much better predict how life evolves and forms in the first place and the discoveries are unimaginable beyond that.
mfb- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean any sort of life.
The chance to find life on a level similar to humans is negligible. Either they won't be considered intelligent by us, or we won't be considered intelligent by them.
I agree looking at our timeline of technological development and our thought process would lead you to that conclusion. Based on our history you give or take a thousand years, which is barely a blink on the galactic timeline, we can either meet cavemen or magical space gods.
But again one thing you Need to factor in is intelligent alien life doesn't necessarily have to think like humans. In fact they probably won't. Likely our path of intelligent evolution isn't the only way to reach a space faring civilization. Shit at the rate we're going we probably won't reach that level of society. So maybe the lifeforms who do reach the level where they can explore other stars they act completely different in their thoughts, motivations, and social interests and interaction. With that in mind it would be impossible to assume they will act anything like us if they were to meet us. They could be fascinated by our society or completely indifferent or want to destroy us. It's really hard to assign human motivation to truly alien life because we really don't understand any thought process other than humans
l0te ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:51:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to refine this to discovering macroorganisms, because as honestly interesting it would be, I know the first LIFE DISCOVERED ON MARS or whatever is going to be some kind of frozen sincle-celled "nothing," and it'll be pretty anticlimactic. I wanna see aliens moving around and stuff.
Mamajam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we have abiogenesis on Mars and on Earth independently, then it is very climactic.
The bottom line is that the Great Filter is either right in front of us or way behind us, the fact we have so much intelligent life on this planet would lead me to believe the filter is forward and we have something fun to look forward too.
The amount of life on our planet is far from proof that the great filter is in front of us. It could just be that the rare earth hypothesis is true, that our circumstances in our solar system are exceedingly rare even by astronomical numbers that allowed life to thrive.
Mamajam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely agree, you can't infer anything about the general probabilities from either side with our perspective. But that isn't fun for a thread about aliens.
It's fun to think of in it's own way. What if we actually are the first to make it this far?
Our solar system is is truly amazing, a perfect set of circumstances. A perfect distance from the right kind of star. A moon whose gravitational influences encouraged and excellerated evolution through tidal forces. A gas giant that has likely saved us from global extinction numerous times by attracting apocalyptic meteors to itself.
Only after all these factors are in place there's the unlikely event of intelligent life. Intelligent life isn't even enough though, it had to be intelligent life capable of using tools.. for example if dolphins developed brains like our own they wouldn't make it as far due to not being able to use tools nearly as well.
Intelligent life might not even be the extremely unlikely phase, though. Maybe it's multicellular organisms. We've found fossils of single cell organisms on Mars, so we know that self replicating matter probably isn't the filter, but maybe the multicellular part is.
We do have a pretty unique situation with only a single star system and an unusually large moon that is orbiting very close to us. Now the question is, HOW unique is our situation?
A very interesting thing I read on the interwebs a while ago was the theory a few people had that, supposedly, the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 was supposed to be our Great Filter; that all technological advancement in human history was leading up to that moment, in which we were supposed to destroy ourselves through nuclear anihilation. But, for some odd reason, we didn't. So, according to that theory, we've "passed the test" and passed the Great Filter.
Obviously, I have no idea if that's true or not, but it seemed like a very interesting hypothesis.
I've been reading the Three Body Problem series recently. The Dark Forest analogy is on my mind a lot:
Axiom 1: The universe is full of intelligent life
Axiom 2: The primary goal of a civilization is to survive
Axiom 3: Civilization expands, but the massenergy in the universe remains constant
Axiom 4: Technological explosions can occur
From this, it is derived that if one civilization discovers another's precise location, the best strategy is to preemptively destroy it. Survival in our universe is a zero sum game, and one cannot ever be sure of the other civilizations intentions, or of the other civilization's perception of one's own intentions. The distance compounds the suspicion in a chain, which makes peace impossible. Even if one is superior to the other, that relation could be upended by sudden technological advancement.
Thus, the universe is like a dark forest, prowled by hunters who all seek to kill anyone they see without warning. Broadcasting one's own location is suicide.
You haven't thought about it enough. No assumption about morality is made. Example: suppose two civilizations make contact. Civilization 1 contemplates the possibilites:
Civ 2 is evil. Result: Fatal
Civ 2 is good, but changes over time to become evil. Result: Fatal
Civ 2 is not unified, and evil factions may rise to power. Result: Fatal
Civ 2 is good, but suspects Civ 1 of being evil. Result: Fatal
Civ 2 is good, but suspects Civ 1 of suspecting Civ 2 of be being evil. Result: Fatal
Civ 2 is good, but so naive that it may later contact another evil civilization. Result: Fatal
Etc...
As you can see, the chain of suspicion grows quickly and is difficult to break due to the difficulty and danger of transmitting information. You cannot expect a civilization to choose morality over threats to its very existence.
Yes!!! If we could create life, even just single-celled organisms, or maybe even just something like mitochondria...that would be so incredible. I want us to figure out how the fuck life came to be in the first place, or at least find out one possible way life could have come to be.
Think about it. Life had to start somewhere, sometime, with something. It took hundreds of millions of years for life to evolve, but I bet it started in an instant. Just the right ingredients at just the right moment in just the right place.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:58:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, I'm not a fan of the "from an asteroid theory" that just shifts the location with out explaining how. It also seems far less likely. If life as we know it were to spontaneously generate, it seems more likely to happen in massive salt water oceans then on a frozen asteroid.
My personal theory is that every molecule required for life has a specific heat of formation, and you need to have pool of molecules whose temperature is being cycled through heating and cooling cycles allowing for the heats of formations of all the minimum required molecules to form while not heating too much such that the molecules are denatured.
What better place for that than churning oceans with day/night cycles? I honestly don't think it'd take the millions of years scientists say is required.
To prove it in a lab, all you'd need is perfectly sterile sealed container, with raw elements for life, water, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, potassium, sodium, phosphorous, iron etc. Cycle it through all of the heats of formations for all the molecules for life in the right order with a gentle mixing to simulate tides and I think you'd get pretty damn close pretty quickly.
Personally I think life spontaneously could be forming right now but the building blocks are getting consumed by other more developed life forms before it gets a chance to come together.
If we discover life, I hope it's just a few starfish and some mosquitoes on a deserted planet. If it's intelligent life, I bet it's 99% chance we get into an intergalactic war.
"So then, instead of possibly igniting a global war with millions and millions of casualties over the assassination of some aristocrat, the workers of the world united, toppled the ancien regime and established a new order of freedom and equality for all. We have been steadily advancing and improving collective welfare ever since. So, when did you have your communist world revolution?"
RutCry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The possibility that humanity may spend the next thousand years searching the cosmos for life and find nothing is a more staggering thought than finding anything at all.
dreftig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just knowing that we are not alone would be so amazing.
Kantuva ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not too long far away, once the James Webb Telescope is online they will start going over all the most interesting Keppler discovered exo-planets, and trying to get spectrographies of their atmospheres.
Now, remember we only need to find a decent amount of Oxygen and a couple other biomarkers to know that there probably is life on that planet, I'm just an undegrad, but talking with some older astronomers, I have heard ballparked that we are from 5 to 15 years to finding exo-life.
mfb- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there is life producing a lot of oxygen and methane on one of the planets, JWST might find it, and it will launch 2018. We don't know how frequent that is.
ELT will do similar measurements, it will start 2022.
Yes, there is certainly a good chance - if life is common.
Kantuva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if life is common
Even if it is kinda rare I think we still have a good shot at it on the next 15 years. We have found bio-markers here on earth that indicate life arose less than 1 billion years after the earth formed, and we are getting to the limit if not past it regarding indentifying rock records, and beware that a considerable amount of time passed before it actually showing up and our records, so it is not a far distance to think that we can push the boundary from <1bn down to 700 mill years or even less.
The earth is just a single data point, but the core idea is there, life when given the necessary means will not delay on showing up, all the people specialized on exo-life things are 100% looking forward to the next phase of curiosity, who btw just released this cool vid explaining how the Gale crater formed
But yeah, most if not all of the astronomers I know, are very, very hyped about the next 15 or so years, atm we are living on what's basically a golden age for all "Exo" things (and if we are not on kind of a golden age, we are getting there pretty fast!)
As amazing as this discovery would be, I'd almost prefer if we discovered what dark matter and energy is, along with its origins.
mfb- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:05 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be amazing as well, but I think the overall impact would be smaller.
As particle physicist, discovering dark matter would have a direct impact on my work, but that is not representative. Life elsewhere is something where everyone can understand the importance.
Ku-xx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My only fear with this would be what we'd do once we found it. Peaceful agrarian co-op society? Better hope they don't have precious metals or minerals that we need. Plant-like, animal-like, any multicellular being...Let's cut it up and see what it looks like.
We're in such a rush to introduce ourselves to other life forms, and here we are on earth, still enslaving fellow humans to cultivate shrimp and change bed linens. Who's to say intelligent life that may exist outside our realm of perception is already giving this planet a wide berth?
It would be really cool, though.
mfb- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most likely event would be the detection of chemicals linked to life on some planet far away. Real life is not Star Trek.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mfb- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not a science fiction soap opera.
The most likely discovery of life would be via chemicals related to life on a planet far away.
Exactly right. It's a looooooong stretch to go from "I hope we discover life" to "how will we treat intelligent aliens."
It bugs me how people assume when/if we find life, it will definitely be sentient. Most likely it will be microscopic chemical reactions that force us to reconsider what we consider "life." If we discovered something similar to plant life it would be incredible. There are an infinite number of possibilities of discovering life that are infinitely more likely than discovering intelligent aliens with superweapons like straight out of a movie. I wouldn't be surprised if we're the only space faring civilization humans ever know. Maybe we'll find "plant" and "animal" life, but there's no guarantee that it has to (or even would want to) explore the universe.
Yeah, the most likely discovery of life will be via spectroscopy of starlight passing through the atmospheres of distant planets. This technology is currently exploding, and I genuinely expect this to occur in the next 20-50 years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's almost certainly intelligent life out there. The problem is that space is soooooooooo fucking vast. If we never travel faster than light (which seems unlikely in the next forever) then it's gonna take hundreds of years for them or us to reach each other, and that's even if they're really local to begin with (in our corner of our galaxy).
wgdvs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember one of these two statements is true. We are either here all alone....or there are others out there. Both are equally as terrifying.
and imagine confirming alien life (only through some messages) but knowing they are on their way to greet us, but knowing that it will take about hundred years, knowing you will miss everything more. How do they look, how do they sound, what the music of theirs sounds like, what will the ship look like, photos from their planets and much more. Damn.. :/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then we'd have to built a space wall. I don't how we'd make the aliens pay for it though. They may not use human currency.
5tr4nGe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligent life, even better. Maybe that would make humanity finally putting their Big Boy pants on, regarding space exploration and international co-operation.
awc88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either we're the only planet with life in the entire universe, or there is life elsewhere in the cosmos. Either way it's mind blowing.
It isn't wishful thinking. There are plans to use the sun as a massive lens for radio signals. You can then pick up immensely weak signals from point sources - unlike today.
The implications of finding intelligent life on another planet would be enormous. It would essentially prove all of the main religions on Earth to be false. People would lose their minds.
I just want to see us create artificial intelligence/life. I feel that a life form that doesn't need food or oxygen has a much greater chance of spreading non-biological life throughout the universe. I mean, we only have so long on this planet anyway.
mr_ji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on your point of view, we did this a long time ago. There are plenty of self-sustaining bodies out there, just not that function the way we're traditionally taught. Still qualifies under the broader definition of "the existence of an individual."
DRW0813 ยท 19307 points ยท Posted at 11:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing cancer. Or making cancer something easily treatable. I have three family members all diagnosed with cancer in the past year.
The thing is that cancer is not a disease. It's a group of diseases. It's unlikely that we'll ever have one miracle cure but hopefully in the future we have efficient treatments for all different types of cancer.
My father died of a form of cancer I didn't even know existed. Cancer of unknown primary orgin. Meaning that the primary tumor couldn't be found and couldn't be treated. But the cancer kept spreading in his body. How do you even cure a cancer like that?
[deleted] ยท 625 points ยท Posted at 16:27:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Geta-Ve ยท 432 points ยท Posted at 16:30:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if automated constant body and organ monitoring (if / when that ever becomes viable) would do the trick?
Kind of like an antivirus software for your body.
EDIT: I imagine an all in one device (like your phone) would track all this. Have the chips or whatever implanted and let your phone tell you when you need to get checked out.
boop unidentified cells have been located with the lower region of your liver -- would you like me to book an appointment with your GP?
boop anomalous readings from within your pinky toe -- probably toe cancer -- would you like me to book an appointment with your GP?
boop spatial and rhythmic movements indicate you're attempting coitus; penile blood flow is low, and or nonfunctional -- would you like me to book an appointment with your GP? Optionally would you like me to place an order for Kirkland Brand Viagara? 500 pills for the low price of $9.99! Everything's bigger and better at Costco! Big boy.
fmhall ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is right around the corner. Google companies Grail and Freenome. They monitor the cDNA in your body which can detect cancer incredibly early.
I'm going to schedule a check up before work tomorrow. Is there any tests/labs/etc that I should them to have run on me? I usually see my doctor once a year.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask also to have your vitamin D checked, if you haven't had it checked within the past couple years. Vitamin D is a thing that most people are deficient in (in my country at least). Symptoms of vitamin D deficiency are "you just feel kind of shitty all the time" and the cure is "take a vitamin".
exikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is akin to saying "well, obviously we can nearly build a formula 1 car, we just figured out how to use round logs to roll stuff instead of having to carry it". We are not even at the point were we can find cancer early with a full hospitals equipment, and lightyears from having a small carriable device that can do everything at once.
ds612 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:27:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens if a mother has this and then starts to form a baby in her. Would the cells think it's a foreign body and kill the baby? This sounds nice on paper but possibly very dangerous in real life.
Dude, you don't want to start all the conspiracy nuts about implanted chips.
This will be the next modern day 'i'm not vaccinating my child', people refusing to get diagnostic software implanted into their children bc muh government is watching.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. As I was writing it I was thinking this exact thing.
Maybe this sounds weird, but I imagine it more like a high tech toilet. Seems like that already has access to, uh, a lot of material it could analyze and the seat could have a bunch of sensors of some sort added in.
Aw I wish I weren't poor I wanna give you gold. This made me laugh out loud at the restaurant I'm at and now the waiter and the people sitting around me are probably jealous they don't get to look at something so entertaining on their phones.
Geta-Ve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but a tricorder could tell you what was going on pretty quick
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure! But a more automated process would make more sense for us currently. I think in the Trek future they don't really need an automated checkup since most disease has been wiped out. So the only time to visit the doctor would be for major issues and just year checkups so the doc can remind you to not work so hard and lose the weight fatty. lol
The rate of false positives for something like that would basically halt any medical system.
It's easy to design an antivirus for a computer because we know exactly how a computer is supposed to work. The range of what "normal" is in a complex natural system like the human body is so broad.
Geta-Ve ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have to start somewhere though. Eventually we'd be able to test against a database of millions or billions of results and give the 'user' that valuable feedback. And they can make the call if they should see their GP.
Phyzzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hook me up with that full body fit bit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that not one of the ideas that was brought up in The Circle
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh was it? I never watched that movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there was some drinking of some sensor and a fitbit-like bracelet involved and everything was tracked. Ir's one of the cooler concepts I've been introduced to, but it's also scary.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah. That's cool. I think I'd take the risk.
vesok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds interesting, for sure, but something like that would be a gold mine for selling information.
The problems with something like this are all the problems that go along with incidental findings.
Incidental findings are findings on a medical exam which were not the original purpose of the exam and would otherwise have been missed. For example, some lung area is included in an x-ray of a fractured shoulder, and the radiologist sees a suspicious blob on the lung tissue - it could be cancerous, and s/he has to comment on it in the report even though it does not pertain to the original reason for the exam.
So the patient goes for a chest x-ray, and the radiologist can't see the same nodule on the lung. Better do blood work to see if anything is off. Blood work comes back, results are ambiguous; something's slightly elevated outside of normal limits, and could indicate that the patient is having an immune response to cancerous cells, or maybe they just have a cold.
The next step to rule out anything funky in the lungs and be absolutely sure is a chest CT. The patient has a chest CT and the nodule is nowhere to be seen; maybe it was just an area of soft tissue bruising in the original shoulder x-ray, or a lung vessel projected at an odd angle, or a drop of x-ray dye on the x-ray detector.
At this point the patient has undergone unnecessary blood work, two exams exposing them to more radiation (including a chest CT which is a LOT of radiation relative to other medical exams) and it's all because there was one questionable false positive.
All of this testing increases the risk of something else happening to the patient as a result of medical testing, places massive cost on the healthcare system, and causes the patient a ton of stress while they're waiting for tests and results.
TLDR: over-detection is not always good, it's a problem. We need to know who we screen, what they're predisposes to, and tailor medical testing to their own risk profiles. Screen smokers for lung cancer, women for breast cancer, etc.
A catch-all test would catch way more than we want to know.
I work at a cardiac electrophysiology clinic - a heart electrician, as the doctors put it.
There is a device called a Loop Recorder that is used as a diagnostic tools in patients with symptoms of abnormal heart rhythms. It is an implantable machine less than the size of a AAA battery that is implanted just under the skin and records cardiac telemetry.
This machine can detect heart rates outside of predetermined parameters, automatically record EKG rhythm strips during the episode, and then transmit that reading to the doctor's office via wireless home communicator all without the patient necessarily being aware an episode even took place.
There are similar functions for modern pacemakers and defibrillators. It's pretty darn cool to call a patient in the morning to let her know that her heart stopped for a bit there overnight, and she needs to come see the doctor.
How is pay in the industry, and is finding a job with a PhD + post-doc experience a bit easier? (Also, do you recommend moving to California or Cambridge where there -at least seems to be- more jobs?)
That's disappointing, because I want to do science but I don't think I have the singleminded dedication to science to actually make a career out of it in academia.
Wow. That sounds kind of depressing. Have you ever thought about working on a startup or similarly related business? You do have a particular set of skills that might be a dream for startups(reverse taken speech).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a lot on biotech. How to make the machines, biohack groups, and the like. Have you looked in to DIY biolabs? There are a lot of really interesting resources online, such as making a paper centrifuge that costs 50 cents to make.
second question: What's keeping the company from being more stable(if you can answer or need to take this into a pm feel free)?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not putting me down. I value honesty. Also, I'm honestly really curious about your set up. Could you link me to comparable set ups so I can learn more about what the specifics of what you're talking about?
I love the term "bioreactor". lol.
If you're near a college there might be programs you could tap into for cheap labor in exchange for experience.
Unfortunately (or possibly fortunately), this isn't true. Even "early" stage pancreatic cancer has dismal outcomes. And very late stage testicular or leukemia (depending on type) even when disseminated throughout the body can now have very good outcomes. Likewise, breast cancer screening campaigns and prostate cancer screening have remarkably minor effects on mortality. Similarily, there have been molecular genetic studies on colon cancer (and other) that suggest that at least part of the effect is that slow growing, less malignant cancers are just more likely to be found while still small, because they stay small for a longer period of time. On the flip side ita probably true that smaller, "earlier" cancers have less genetic heterogeneity, meaning that there is less likely to be a treatment resistant subgroup. However, all told, advancements in treatment have probably been much more significant than advancements in screening and detection.
This is a double edged sword, though. We often develop small cancerous tumors that our body deals with without us even noticing. Detecting all of these will lead to a ton of unnecessary interventions (like chemo, radiation or surgery) and might do more harm than good in the end.
While early detection plays a role in a favourable prognosis, it is not "the real cure to cancer". Look at the metastatic breast cancer community - many women are dying despite initially being diagnosed with an early stage cancer.
While that's fundamentally true, it's not representative of the whole problem. The real answer is prevention. In early detected lung cancers in former smokers, people often have devastating consequences of their smoking including coronary vascular disease, lung disease (COPD), and predisposition to multiple cancers especially another lung cancer. Moreover, even if you cut out or ablate a small Stage IA lung cancer, recurrence is unsettlingly high compared to say early breast or prostate cancer. You're starting with poor protoplasm.
Primary prevention with public education to reduce smoking, policy to limit second hand exposure, and interventions to limit radon exposure are paramount in beating lung cancer. The screening debates for other common cancers are complicated as well.
When our nanorobots start to replace our immune system and kill small cancerous collections of cells, then improved early detection may play out as advantageous in certain diseases.
Leukemias are actually among the highest cure-rate cancers (generally speaking. There are subtypes that are still quite difficult to treat). They respond surprisingly well to conventional chemotherapy, and many targeted molecular therapies (Imatinib/Gleevec, and Rituximab, for example) have been developed for leukemias.
Gliomas are much harder to treat unfortunately. Early detection will certainly help, but irradiating the brain at high levels is obviously not a good idea, surgery is difficult because you have to remove all the tumor cells without damaging brain tissue, and intravenous drugs are difficult to administer because of issues crossing the blood-brain barrier. So with gliomas, much research is dedicated to understanding how the cancer forms and how it can be better treated.
Rituximab treats lymphomas they are CD20 antibodies. Imatinib halts progression of CML for a few years. The only "cure" known for leukemias is the bone marrow transplant which is worse than a lobotomy in some ways especially if you get GvHD.
right right my bad, lymphomas are different from leukemias. I tend to group hematopoietic malignancies together. Still, many leukemias are surprisingly responsive to conventional chemo, at least going by the 5-year survival rates.
One aspect of cancer I find super interesting is clonal hematopoiesis of indeterminate potential (CHIP for short). Basically, many healthy individuals have blood cells harboring classic oncogenic mutations, like DNMT3a and P53 (the studies i've read/been involved in have been for leukemia so many of the candidate genes looked at were picked for their involvement in leukemia). But not all of these people go on to develop cancer (specifically leukemia), which seems odd at first because they harbor cells with leukemic mutations.
For patients that do go on to develop leukemia, usually it is one of these low frequency CHIP cells that goes on to be the dominant leukemic clone. Relapse is also pretty common in some leukemias especially AML, and for a while it was thought to be due to chemotherapy causing mutations in cells that would go on to cause the secondary leukemia. But, there have been some studies publishing results where the relapsed cancer originated from cells that were detectable at super low levels when the primary cancer was diagnosed.
So the chemotherapy didn't really yield any new mutations, it just changed the bone marrow environment enough to give a fitness advantage to a different CHIP cell, leading to another cancer.
Really neat stuff from the perspective of fitness and clonal evolution. Lot of implications for the clinical treatment of leukemia too, IMO
My father got diagnosed pretty late, but in hindsight that might have been for the better. He got to have one last good summer with his grandkids where everything was almost same as usual. He probably knew something wasn't right and felt worse than he let on. But if we would've found out earlier that he had incurable cancer that whole summer would've been a much darker time.
Quantum computing hardware is almost there, but the real bottleneck is software because there is so much to do in order to advance set theory in third dimensional coordinate pathfinding as the human body has so many moving particles. Field computing the particles in realtime is what is being depicted on Star Trek when they show someone using a medical tri-corder. (tri for 3rd dimension over time)
This is key. Using more delicate diagnostic techniques which detect cancer DNA at previously undetectable levels. This method would replace current techniques which require surgical removal of a portion of the tissue for biopsy.
We're getting better, to be fair. Gleevec and Herceptin are some pretty good drugs for CML and HER+ breast cancer, and the development of fully humanize monoclonal antibodies targeting PD-1 was basically a revolution for treatment of solid tumors like melanoma and lung cancer.
That said, I agree we still have much to learn. Sequencing platforms are becoming super powerful tools for looking at cells on the DNA, RNA, and protein levels are various stages of tumor development and progression, and a lot of work being done with immune system reprogramming, like CAR-T-cells, seems really promising (at least for B-cell leukemia, which is what the FDA is looking at now)
The easiest way would probably be close to eugenics: fix embryonic genes until people don't develop cancers anymore.
It's not that straightforward, but after a few generations of this... Some people never seem to get cancer, and they die of heart failure at an old age.
Of course, there might also be cancers that are strictly caused by the environment, or caused by unknown viruses and parasites. But I could see cancer becoming very rare.
Genetic predispositions play a major role in cancer. Of course, it's not the only predictor. But it's a game of roulette where one starts with 3 bullets and the other one starts with 1 bullet.
There's nothing unethical about it if everyone has access to the technology. The main ethical problem is that yes, what likely would happen is that richer people would afford to get gene therapies for their embryos, while poor remain would keep all their predispositions. There may be other ethical issues but you can't just claim that humans using a technology is unethical.
Are you saying that gene therapy is wrong? If you knew you had a strong predisposition for certain cancers, and could make sure your kids wouldn't have that predisposition and could afford the genetic modification (say, to replace the responsible allele by one from the mother), you wouldn't do that because it's wrong?
I work in a pharmacy and one of our customers daughter died like that. They couldn't find the primary tumor, but it was spreading throughout the body like you wouldn't believe, heavily infesting the bones, causing agonizing pain the entire time.
It's really heartbreaking to think about, knowing that she was probably in pain even in her final moments...
That's right. You don't. It makes up around 2-6% of cancercases per year. Around 85% die within a year. It's among the shittier cancers to get. My father died 2.5 months after getting a definitive diagnos. His doctors told us that in a lot of other cancers there's been significant progress in treatment and your chance of survival is a lot better. But this type of cancer not so much.
Trk- ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:30:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry about your father. My best guess would be nano bots in your body that are constantly monitoring for cellular anomalies, but we are decades away from having this.
jthend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Randomly reading this thread and came upon your post. First off, I am very sorry for your loss. My best friend had back pain in late October of 2014 and started chiropractor visits and the chiropractor made him get an MRI. Mid January he was diagnosed with Cancer of an Unknown Primary (CUP) and on February 24th he passed one month after diagnosis. It was his wish to start a foundation for cancer, which we started in his name for patients diagnosed with CUP and families affected by it. If you'd like to take a look, visit stevswish.org.
This happened to a relative of mine, and it turned out to be bone cancer. He never suggested she seek other treatment, even though she had a past history of cancer. He just wanted to keep seeing her. Obviously it was too late by the time they found what it actually was. Chiropractors are not actual doctors, they want to make money. "So come back and see me in a few days".
My mother in law passed from the same thing. Was so throughout her torso they don't even know where it started. She passed 4.5 months later. Went to the hospital the second she didn't feel good. Already too late. It sucks. Sorry about your father.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:52:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tiny robots. Imagine a billion tiny robots that can go through your body as if it weren't even there, and move individual atoms and molecules to fix anything?
Such robots would be the cure for literally anything.
That's great buzzword use, but in reality, at the moment it only helps when you are looking for specific mutations we already have drugs for.
For example, imatinib (Gleevac) for the treatment of chronic myeloid leukaemia. There are now a series of similar drugs that target similar mutations that you can select for your patient based on their profile.
As resistance emerges to one drug, you can find another one that works and change the patient to that new drug. Problem being it's an extremely expensive therapy and you're on it for life.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well as our understanding of DNA coding increases we can see the difference of healthy cells and cancer cells DNA. And we can start to pinpoint what aspects of each type of cancer and where the damaged to DNA is.
Many tumors that are unable to be diagnosed w/ tissue of origin have undergone significant genetic/epigenetic changes that alter the transcriptional profile to the point they can't be pegged as belonging to one tissue type. They're usually residing in a stem-cell-like undifferentiated transcriptional state. It is both impressive and terrifying how our cells are able to essentially 'rewind' time to get access to the embryonic transcriptional state, which controls a lot of the growth and development cell signaling pathways
Yikes! I didn't think a mature cell ending up in an undiffentiated transcriptional state was impossible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the hope isn't for a cure, since so often there simply can't be one, but for it to no longer be life threatening thanks to early detection and personalised medical treatment.
Since we're talking about things we wished existed, I can imagine in the future a somewhat generalized cancer cure in the form of something that could just teach all your cells to kill any cancerous cells it fights, or alternatively some process (think radiation therapy) that is far more effective and safe enough to just blast your whole body.
I know those are pretty unlikely for a lot of reasons, but I wouldn't rule it out as impossible. I'm actually pretty confident we'll figure it out in the next hundred years or so, just probably none of our lifetimes.
its what chemo does, we just haven't come up with a good mix for whatever it is your father had. which sucks but I KNOW we will get there.
Chemo attacks cells that grow faster than normal, the faster it grows the easier it is to kill without a lot of harm to the normal organs. I had testicular cancer which is one of, if not the most aggressive kind, (This sounds scary when a doctor is telling you have had it for less than 3 weeks and its already spread to your lungs and lymph nodes throughout your body and will require 2 surgeries and 4 rounds of Chemo) BUT what this also means is that it's one of the easier cancers to target because they grow SO MUCH faster than the rest of your cells.
The chemo is hell, worse than any other chemo, (4 rounds = 4-5 months where every week, M-F you go to the infusion room, 9am-5pm to get hooked up to the puke juice, every Wednesday you have a slow push injection of a 3rd chemo drug) BUT it's a lot easier to choose drugs that kill fast growing cells that won't hurt your normal cells as badly so its INCREDIBLY accurate... something like a 95% survivor rate.
30-40 years ago though, this type of cancer was one of the scariest because of how quickly it attacked and killed.
since then we've come up with other chemo formulas for other cancers and continue to do so every day, some will be difficult but by not means impossible.
The biggest hurdle is funding though, money gets poured into the research for few certain types of cancer because research groups have been set up specifically for THOSE TYPES of cancers. so unfortunately instead of studying all types equally or in a way that more accurately distributes funds as types of cancer are spread throughout society, we get some that are far more researched than others and continue to get more and more funding when others are desperately lacking.
When trying to donate for cancer research keep this is mind, try for camps like American Cancer Society that distribute their funds more proportionate to cancer occurrences.
pdmishh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was diagnosed with cancer and this was a concern of mine given the cell type of my cancer. I had an ovarian tumor and this is very common with ovarian tumors (to come from other parts of the body). It actually can become really hard to determine differences in organs at the cellular level, so that's something that would have to be improved upon in cancer research
That might actually be a cancer that started in the blood. Think about it this way: cancer is a "bad" mutation of DNA. If the cancer cells were already in the blood or lymph vessels, you can spread very far without an apparent cause because eventually after multiple cycles and clumping in arterioles, it seems to be everywhere since blood goes everywhere but there is no easy starting point since the clumping has so many factors.
I would naively guess by improving things like wearables so that we can much earlier detect signs of cancer, thus meaning we try to catch it all early enough that we can pin it down to specifics (etc).
Yeah, that's a tough one. If caught early chemo could help it, but without knowing where the primary tumor is it's impossible to localize the treatment so at that point your basically just nuking your system and halting all cellular reproduction, cancer and non-cancer cells. Chemo is rough, but IMO it's borderline barbaric when it can't be supplemented with localized/specific treatment options. Unfortunately, it's still the best option in some cases.
My heart goes out to you, I've only had one close relative die from cancer and I was little and barely remember it. I can't imagine losing a father to such an unforgiving disease.
Do you know if they ever did an autopsy to find the primary tumor? It may have been an unknown for your family, but hopefully it doesn't have to remain an unknown cancer for future families.
If I recall correctly, there are multiple ways to diagnose the origin of a tumor (certain cell types make proteins specific to only that cell type, for example). When a tumor is diagnosed as unknown origin it is typically because the cells have undergone genetic changes that make them unable to be classified as belonging to one organ. Usually it is because they have changed to a more embryonic-like transcriptional state, and in their in-differentiated state they cannot be pegged as skin cells or liver cells, for example. Unfortunately those cancers tend to also be the most aggressive and resistant to conventional treatment.
Chemo was kinda an alternative, but it still wouldn't do much. Might have given him a few more months. But a few more months of what? The chemo would nuke him and drain him of what little life and energy was left in him.
No autopsy was made, as far as I know. Per his wishes his body was donated to science fiction. Ok, that wasn't true.
I read his journal after he passed away. A sad and gruesome read, but also fascinating. So fucking brutal how cancer can just wreak havoc on a body in a few months.
Amator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes you kind of wonder if people will ever decide to get preemptive chemotherapy one day just in case. I can't see this as a good idea, but neither is the availability of full body scans done without physicians ordering them and that happens a lot.
[deleted] ยท -69 points ยท Posted at 15:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that I disagree with. I've lot 2 family members to cancer and one of my friends has had cancer since he was 17, all we do is joke about it nowadays. If you don't laugh you don't heal and letting cancer be some sort of Voldemort doesn't do good for anyone
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[deleted] ยท 591 points ยท Posted at 13:14:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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T-North ยท 591 points ยท Posted at 13:56:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enabling replicative immortality is indeed one of the hallmarks of cancer, however, replicative immortality is not as simple as "regenerating their telomerase". If what you're suggesting turns out to work it's definitely a step in the right direction, but not a cancer-panacea.
Hey, you are raining on a parade here. I don't care how it happens. I just want to be able to say fuck cancer!
T-North ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:23:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very understandable - I really hope to be able to say "fuck cancer for good" one day too. I just want to make sure people understand that it's a really, really difficult process we need to throw a lot of money into; after all it kills around 8.2 mio. a year with over 14 mio. new cases being diagnosed. Add to that the expectation that those numbers will increase by 70% over the next two decades, and we seriously have a problem we need to focus on.
Additionally, the media seems to claim every other day that we're gonna cure cancer tomorrow - putting it like that is simply not fair to the researchers that dedicate their lives to just contribute a tiny bit, nor is it fair towards the people battling cancer right now.
I hate reality when it comes to health. And I never thought about it, the media giving false hope for the cure pits it further back in your mind. I appreciate it.
If it makes you feel better, while there is no "the cure" on the way research into most types of cancers is progressing in leaps and bounds and only getting better results.
Even then, gene therapy targeting the cancerous cells does not really sound plausible at all. It would mean successfully genetically modifying every single of the cancerous cells, if one is not modified then it's all moot.
That's one of my favorite review papers of all time, it should be the model for everyone else imo. Extremely well thought out. Well written. Superb charts.
I loved reading it in school, and I've actually seen it copied for the hallmarks of aging, which is also an engaging read.
mer135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. As an actual molecular bio student reading all the shit reddit believes about cancer may literally give me cancer
It would be an enormous step in the right direction and would likely bring new and very effective cancer treatments across the board or for most cancers.
The goal though is finding more and better treatments that don't affect QoL too much, that's the holy grail.
Wyvernz ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:28:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But most cancer behaves the same way by regenerating their telomerase when reproducing, if we figure out how to target that sequence we could create a gene therapy that only targets cancer cells.
Telomerase is active in normal stem cells, which are necessary for life.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:18:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telomerase also protects the ends of RNA during protein synthesis, and are necessary for healthy cells to produce healthy proteins. Targeting it in a way that allows regulation of telomerase length is what would be necessary, as a complete loss of telomerase leads to cell death, which, while wonderful for cancer cells, is less good for normal cells. I'm not sure what pathway could be used to target only the telomerase in cancer cells.
That is way too simplistic of a view on cancer. If it was this easy we'd already have better treatments than we have now.
The truth is that every cancer is so different from one another and they all behave differently. We are in the era of personalized cancer therapy and there are very exciting new treatments coming out, but to say that we can just target telomerase complex and cure most cancers is being naive.
Well fuck, guys, what are we doing? This guy had the answer all along! This, on top of the buzzfeed articles I just read about the illuminati's advances in cancer therapy, for sure we can cure cancer now!
Just because /u/Freedmonster maybe oversimplified the explanation of the solution doesn't mean it isn't difficult to get there. I could say that all viruses can be cured by simply destroying the virus cells and I would be right. The problem is "how".
kyma ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:03:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you look at it in the most reductionist way possible, it's still incorrect. There are are too many mechanisms in place regarding cell proliferation that have to be aberrant for something to be "cancer."
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:45:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is incoherent. Pls stop spreading your ignorance.
Yeah but the guy /u/sanduszm is responding DID straight up say some nonsense as if he was an authority on the subject. Have to nip it at the bud before we start hearing "gotta just stop regeneration of the telomerase, cancer is so easy" from our uncles at Thanksgiving.
. Have to nip it at the bud before we start hearing "gotta just stop regeneration of the telomerase, cancer is so easy" from our uncles at Thanksgiving.
Hey my PhD is not on cancer biology (it's in physics) but I have given up hope a long time back on not hearing these sorts of aliens are coming at the dinner table.
Learn to enjoy the folklore, or else you will be angry at everyone all the time.
I dig that you drop telomerase to make it sound like you know a lot about cancer, but your explanation is just "let's kill this one gene"
Important note: you literally used telomerase wrong. Telomerase is the enzyme that "regenerates" telomeres. If you want to drop some science bombs at least get your facts straight.
Also: gene therapy rarely works. Suggesting that as the miracle cure is like saying "all we have to do to get to Mars is to move really really fast through space"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is far more complicated than that. Sure that's the basic principle, but that's like saying your car broke down because you can't drive it
Sure that's the symptom, but there's dozens (for cancer, thousands) of possible pathways by which the problem could have occurred
Crispr will have huge impacts on gene editing on embryos and egg cells but it's got a ways to go for using it broadly on adult cells in a functioning body.
I used to sell CRISPR and si/shRNA. One of the problems with CRISPR is incomplete knockdown, as well as off target effects. You also have to deal with the fact that even in two people with same type of cancer, the DNA sequence that is mutated can be completely different oncogenes. In regards to differentiating between cancer cells vs normal cells, a vast majority of enzymes are present in both, but just over-expressed in cancer cells. By knocking those down, you could have severe unintended consequences. For example, knocking down telomerase could limit cancer's ability to proliferate infinitely, but there are also other cells in the body, like stem cells, that express telomerase. I think eventually, we'll be able to run an analysis to compare healthy and cancer cell DNA from the same tissue type of the same patient, and target mutated DNA with gene therapy, but we're a ways off both from having the technology to compare such huge amounts of data and having a sufficient understanding of cancer at a genetic level to do that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, it may have varying causes, but the harmful mechanics of the disease itself are very similar (unregulated cell division).
Wyvernz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, but our oldest chemotherapeutic treatments are those that target unregulated cell division and these tend to have a lot of toxicity to tissues that naturally have a lot of cell division (bone marrow, GI tract, etc).
That just means it's rudimentary application, not a bad idea, it's like trying to hammer down 1 nail on a plank with a bull dozer, you're gonna hit down more than the few nails you're aiming for. We just don't have the technology for the hammer yet. Once we have the ability to repair dna though that will be the true fix all for aging, cancer, and many ailments and we likely won't need chemo etc. very much.
It's not just an oversimplification it's outright wrong. If you could somehow target TELOMERES (not telomerase), then the tumor would live until senescence, which is probably as long as the rest of your life.
This is absolutely not a valid targeted therapy, immortalization is not that interesting of a phenotype of cancer, it's more of a curious sidenote.
Cancer cells are able to express high amounts of telomerase when they otherwise are not supposed to be able to. I don't really know what your second sentence is saying, but if you're trolling, you certainly got me.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wyvernz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another thing (quite unfortunate, too) if we find cures then pharmaceutical companies won't make as much money off of treatment. Unfortunately, the world we live in is quite greedy.
The nature of competition means that that isn't really a concern - while one company might be making a ton of money treating a certain disease, every other drug company would just love to take their market by developing a cure.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a pharmaceutical company found cures for multiple types of cancers and patented them they would make an absolute killing... More than what conventional treatments could make
There are effective treatments for some types. People do get cured all the time, so there is hope that we'll be able to find more treatments. I donate to research, I think this is one of the best things we can do. Encourage the researchers. They often feel bullied by people who claim chemo is a scam. They have a hard time navigating research admin issues etc.
I think this is what is the least emphasized about cancer to the general public. Looking for "a cure for cancer" is like looking for "a cure for infectious disease". Even cancers of the exact same cell type--and there can be cancer of every single cell in your body--can be very different with entirely different responses to treatment.
So, no, Big Pharma doesn't keep down the 'cure for cancer' because one simply doesn't exist in such a form. There are some cures to some types of cancer, but it can evolve and become resistant like any bacteria or virus.
This is very much happening already. When you look at clinical trials, there's a reason why breast cancer studies, or prostate cancer studies no longer follow patients "until death". It's because they live so long, there aren't enough resources to follow them until death, so they follow for 5 years instead. With early detection (a huge problem itself), people can and do live for many years with certain types of cancers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard an NPR interview with a group of scientists who were trying to do exactly that. If I recall correctly, they focused on the underlying genes associated with the cancers and were developing treatments based on that, rather than the cancer itself.
Yeh, but there is hope. Guy who is in charge of the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance (they are top notch) believes we will have most cured within 10 years. At least the very big ones.
Yeah I see this all the time and can someone explain it to me? I get that there are a bunch of different types of cancer but like isn't cancer a disease when your cells start "malfunctioning" so to speak and isn't this the same malfunction no matter where it is in the body so can't we find a cure to that and we'd have a cure to cancer (simplifying greatly).
I don't know jack shit about cancer though. I always thought it was when your cells start reproducing out of control and I always thought if we figured out how to stop cells from doing that we could apply it anywhere in the body.
I wouldn't mind having the power to control our genetic futures.
Barring that, I'd settle for restricting genetic mutation to just our gamete production. Then we'd still keep genetic variation and evolution in the population, while preventing temporal genetic mutation, which results in cancer.
Edit: By temporal genetic mutation, I mean mutation in our non-reproductive cells during our lifetime. It's not like these mutations can result in useful abilities aiding in natural selection.
Xenjael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's incredibly critical to evolution.
I suspect if we ever have a method to directly combine unrelated DNA functionally, it will be because we better understand how cancer and the diseases composing it function.
And if we ever achieve immortality and break the Hayflick limit, I'll bet my tits it's because we figured out how to cause cancer and control it at the same time.
Because if you had infinitely regenerating cells... that's cancer. But control it, manage it properly, perhaps it could actually end up being a gift rather than a curse.
I just hate I've lost and will have to lose so much family to it before that happens, and perhaps even my own life.
I know a guy out here at Tel Aviv who is working on cancer research and contracted it a few years ago. He gives himself all sorts of experimental stuff, giving it to mice and observing a few days before administering it to himself. He's not dead yet. But then you have my aunt who held onto life for 9 years of stage 4, and only then died when she requested her husband euthanize her.
ghpkhg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually we will just be able to detect it so early that it wonโt be too much of a problem.
If we just wore a Fitbit that would test blood, and our toilet could test our poop, weโd have a huge advantage
CRISPR has the potetial to be a magical cure all from what i hear. It can be customized to each persons individual disease. Give it a mugshot of the cancer and micro assasins hunt down cancerous cells and cut them to pieces. Already in trials. And not just cancer. We are testing it on STDs even.
Exactly, saying "I want to cure cancer," is like saying "I want to cure virus."
NATESOR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My brother works at St. Judes in pre-clinical research, and he explained to me essentially what you're saying. There will likely never be a day we can point to where we can say cancer was "cured!" But given the staggering amount of technology and intelligent people they have working on it, the survival rates will continue to improve and one day (maybe decades from now, but hopefully sooner) dying from cancer will not be a serious concern.
graebot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well with CRISPR there's a chance. Cancer is mutated cells. If you sequence the DNA from a cancer cell, and compare it to the sequence of a healthy cell, you'll be able to see what the mutation was, and instruct CRISPR to seek and destroy cells with the mutated gene. We really could be just around the corner for curing most cancers.
Yeah, I'm a mutant predisposed to certain forms of cancer, and each of my kidneys has already endured the removal of one clear cell carcinoma. I'm right on the cusp of benefiting from all sorts of technologies, from gene therapy to fix my tumor suppressor deficiency to kidneys made in a laboratory. I've already experienced cryoablation, a relatively new technology that was useful for eradicating one cancer when my failing heart made me unfit for general anesthesia; and the DaVinci surgical robot, which neatly removed the second cancer while sparing as much of my healthy kidney as possible.
Since my heart is now well in recovery, I have a shot at far greater longevity than my stats indicated several years ago. On the other hand, my kidneys, lungs, and skin are likely to get very bumpy as I continue to age. Even gene therapy wouldn't truly be a "cure" for me, but many technologies contribute to a decent prognosis presently, and it could improve if more of these "5-10 years away" avenues of research and development hit the market while I'm still around to partake.
You're right, and I see this comment every time in response to cure cancer.
But surprisingly, it might be possible to make us more resistant to cancer. We already see other animals with this ability. Massive animals like whales and elephants do not cancer at higher rates. Others can thrive in nuclear and toxic waste. We have some insight into the DNA protection and repair techniques these use and some day we might steal a few for ourselves.
What always saddens me about people gushing about a "cure for cancer" is the widespread ignorance, propagated by cultural laziness and pharmaceutical brainwashing, that cancer is a disease that is cured, when the growing body of medical information demonstrates that it's more of a disease to be prevented. And not in the "Don't smoke, don't breathe asbestos, don't sit on radioactive barrels" prevention, but more like habitual, lifestyle-driven health.
Eat healthy, exercise, and don't pump your body full of crap, and - surprise - your odds of getting cancer plummet. There's no miracle food, no miracle pill, no miracle technology - it's basic, luxury-inconvenient lifestyle choices. And nobody wants to face facts because it'd mean admitting that the luxuries we enjoy and in many ways are addicted to are what's causing the disease we fear, as opposed to cancer just being a nebulously tragic happenstance.
It's easier to believe cancer is just something that "happens" that should be cured instead of something that we actively cause that would require us to change our habits.
Xedien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:52:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is exactly what people tend to forget, when they talk about "Finding a cure for cancer".
It is not just about finding one cure, we are getting better and better at early detection and treatment. And i do sincerely hope that we continue this trend, and that one day, we wont loose as many people close to us to cancer.
The hope is to be able to turn white blood cells into the agent of cancer's demise using custom treatment for every case. There are obvious challenges for this approach but this looks like the most promising "cancer cure" on the horizon. Bonus is it might cure a LOT of diseases.
They do all have a defining trait though, genetic damage. If we had a means of scanning every individual cell in the body and comparing it to a known good genome for that person (including the epigenome), and then kill the ones that have abnormalities, we could cure all forms of cancer with a single process. But this is a while off
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was working as an intern at a NCI facility and there are posters all over the place about how many paths and twists cancer can take. Enough to make your head hurt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Short of programmable nanobots, I think you are right. ha
qsmrf56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But atleast finding out WHAT causes cancer or atleast some of the causes of cancer being discovered would make life easier.
Finally someone says this. Im tired of people throwing around the term "cure for cancer" as if its this one simple procedure, hell some people think the government is hiding it from us, which is even more delusional.
Can you explain this to me? Isn't cancer the same malfunction in the cells no matter where it is in the body? So if we found a way to cure this malfunction(obviously without killing normal cells) then can't we cure all cancers. Where am I going wrong?
Here is the simplest way I can explain it: cancer is caused by mutations in genes, just turns out that each and every human is genetically different. So you may see clinical trials where people may have the same cancer (let's say skin cancer) and everyone is given the same medication with the same dosage but it only ends up working on a fraction of those patients.
demalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer is us. It's our cells that have mutated into something else. Our immune system on it's own is usually able to remove the cancer cells, but there is always some kind of give and take from that. Boosted immune systems cause immune disorders or increases in other diseases or organ issues. But hopefully cancer treatments will be as simple as a well check up in the future - something that as long as it's treated in a reasonable time will be fully recoverable. I say this because even though we're able to effectively treat many infections these still need to be caught within a reasonable time period before they get out of control.
Nanotechnology might be able to sort out cancer in a more mechanical way so it could have potential as cure all for a bunch of cancers. I have no idea how feasible that is though.
more people need to realize this, my mother claims the big pharma has a cure for cancer for sure despite me explaining to her that not all neoplasms are cancer and there can be different types of cancer in the same tissue
ElixirX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super late to this thread but I just wanted to give you an article published just months ago that argued the opposite.
GF is in their nursing program and went to a seminar/lecture he did on the topic. He has resources to find the single cure to cancer that no living human has ever had and he's already made headway (the article goes into this, somewhat).
I expect it to break nationally very, very soon. The things I heard from that lecture secondhand were really inspriring as far as the cure goes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I think of it is a single disease at its most simplistic level (cells regenerating in a uncontrolled fashion). However I agree 100% its not possible to correct via a single method. Lung Cancer and Lymphoma are the same thing (crazy cell regeneration) that have wildly different affects.
I find cancer fascinating. Even if we somehow figured out how to cure all the bacterial infections and viruses, we'd all eventually die of cancer anyway. Its an inevitability on a long enough timeline.
Correct, but they just invented a way to block cancer from spreading which could be a huge step forward against cancer if they can adapt it to the therapy.
minidab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer is the inability for cell death to properly occur, resulting in a mass of dysfunctional cells. So, I'm agreeing with you 100%. However, the solution is to let cells properly die. Lots of theories on how to do that and probably lots of different ways on how to do it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you can kill cells with fire. Unfortunately it sometimes also kills the host of the cells.
minidab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it basically cells going berserk and multiplying indefinitely ?
ptword ยท 507 points ยท Posted at 11:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might be possible within less than 10 years. Matter of ensuring the safety and regulating gene therapy. Some types of cancer are already curable by this method. The therapeutic benefits of this method will likely overcome ethical concerns.
EDIT: According to actual experts who have replied to my comment, 10 years might be too optimistic.
Kijafa ยท 371 points ยท Posted at 12:28:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stuff scientists are saying they might be able to do using CRISPR is really incredible. Cancer could be a thing of the past in our lifetime.
It feels ironic to talk about our lifetime and cancer in the same sentence. I could be diagnosed with a few months left to live tomorrow and not have a clue today :(
sarcazm ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:04:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My boss died last week from brain tumor(s). His only symptom showed up approximately a month before his diagnosis. His eye hurt. He went to his eye doctor. They found a calcium deposit and removed it. Then prescribed him eye drops. His eye continued to hurt. We went on a business trip together. He said he would see the eye doctor again when he got back.
When we got back, he had been suffering a headache plus the eye pain. His wife eventually took him to the ER because the pain was so great. Diagnosis: bleeding/swelling in the brain due to a brain tumor. Emergency surgery. Never woke up.
In the end, he had had at least 12 brain tumors which had metastasized from melanoma. He was only 51 years old. We go to his memorial service tomorrow.
It's so scary to think that you could literally have cancer right now and show zero symptoms.
sarcazm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess not. None of us (neither coworkers nor his family) even knew something was wrong until less than a week before his death. He never said anything about his skin. And apparently, he was careful outdoors because his dad died of melanoma. So, I would think that if something looked weird on his skin, he would've known.
Is it something where he could've been at higher risk due to genetics? That fucking sucks in any case, father and son... please don't tell me his mom lived to see her husband and son die of the same cancer.
sarcazm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. His mom is alive. I think genetics does play a factor.
Wouldn't the melanoma have been a visible symptom? That sucker works fast though
sarcazm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would think so, but my boss never said anything about seeing stuff physically. His dad also had melanoma, so I would think he would recognize the symptoms if he had them. Once he was in the ER, his daughter kept an online journal of what was going on.
Well, we did not get good news today. The MRI showed that Daddy had at least 11 other tumors in his brain. There could be more, but since he was moving during the MRI, they can't be certain. We also found out that it is in fact melanoma. This is disheartening news as his father just passed away from melanoma last year.
This right here. Fucking doctors. I wasn't even going to get checked for cancer. Just wanted a refill on my ADHD rx before winter break ended during my sophomore year in college. Doctor found a slightly enlarged lymph node on the side of my neck, then less than a month later BAM stage IV lymphoma all over the place. Had to take a semester off and everything and now I don't have cancer anymore but my back hurts all the time and I have to see more doctors.
0/10 would not recommend
scobey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:22:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It took a while.. saw the campus doctor at my uni about 4 times when my cough wouldn't go away. I would get such large coughing fits that it'd cause me to vomit. Campus doc put me on what must have been every puffer known to man along with an assortment of antibiotics. Nothing worked. I eventually went home for the holidays and saw my parents' doctor. This doc ordered bloodwork searching for everything from HIV to cancer. The bloodwork showed irregular blood cell counts (I don't fully understand what was irregular about them). Eventually this lead to An ultrasound that revealed swollen lymph nodes in my stomach. Then a CAT scan revealed all sorts of swollen nodes all over my upper body, but none near the skin surface yet. Turns out it started in my stomach and spread to my chest. The nodes in my chest would put pressure on my airway and cause my cough. I had also lost a lot of weight and I was fatigued all the time. So while coughing was my main symptom, it wasn't my only one. I just didn't think about my other symptoms until my parents doctor asked me about them.
WillBBC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't upvote this enough. My mom didn't see a doctor until it was way too late. It probably wouldn't have saved her life, but could have extended her life by a significant margin had she been diagnosed earlier. Cancer is awful. Get screened if you are able!
That's the scary part. I read some reddit thread a while ago about how people found out, and its like, "well, my elbow hurt, so I went to the Doctor and was told I had seventeen tumors in my brain!"
This happened to my brother's friend's mother. She was admitted to hospital basically feeling "unwell", was diagnosed, dead a week later. No previous symptoms.
My dad was as fit as a fiddle 7 months before passing from Sarcoma.
wr0ng1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also be hit by a car of suffer a brain aneurism at a moment's notice. The healthiest person on earth could be closer to death than stage 4 cancer patient. Live every moment like it's your last.
wr0ng1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR is being vastly over-estimated in terms of its therapeutic potential. More and more studies are showing that the frequency of off-target effects greatly outweigh the ease of gene editing in a therapeutic context. Not to mention that you are mostly limited to gene KO / knock-down in the form of introducing random insertions and deletions via non-homologous end joining repair, as insertion of transgenes is incredibly technically challenging.
The main benefits of CRISPR are the relatively low cost and technical simplicity of generating knock-outs - which is great if you want to generate cheap research models or a large panel of pathway KOs. Simplified nuclease gene-editing has a long way to go (and yes, I am aware that mutant Cas9 nickases have addressed a lot of the off-target issue, but not to the extent that I'd want it anywhere near my basal cell layer thanks very much).
Which studies are showing off target effects? The only one of note is under extreme scrutiny as they didn't rule out congenital differences as a possible reason.
wr0ng1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you provide examples of the extreme scrutiny? Main thing I'm finding is 2 biotech companies whose share prices dipped after the paper was published.
For general studies, just do a google scholar search for "crispr off target" and read to your heart's content.
Add to this that I work with it all of the time alongside other methods, so I get to see its success rate on a sustained basis. Part of the problem is that you can't really detect the off-target indels easily without something laborious like a whole genome sequence or at least scanning the top x% of similar sequences to the sgRNA binding site near to a PAM. Etc etc (I admit my knowledge gets a little hazy on the specifics - I'm an immunologist by training). In my job, we get round the possibility of hidden / subtle off-target induced phenotypes by producing 3 independent lines, but for therapeutic applications, you can't really use redundancy as a safeguard in the same way.
I'm not saying CRISPR isn't amazing - it patently is and has revolutionised gene editing by making it more accessible. However, its being touted as the obvious panacea for the future of humanity is, for me, disproportionate to its current or projected utility.
As with any lovely idea, I would love to be proven incorrect.
I'll admit I have a personal interest in seeing CRISPR utilized for in-vivo single gene editing some day. However, I haven't seen a recent study other than the one mentioned in my daily Google scholar alerts.
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can understand wanting gene editing to become more sophisticated but does it matter whether it's CRISPR or something else?
Yes - what's nice is that the scope is still fairly broad. It's estimated 10-30% of all genetic diseases worldwide are caused by nonsense mutations. If a compound could be developed that causes strong read through, the implications are massive.
Of course this is nice to discuss in theory. Even the best drug candidate to date (Ataluren) has extremely mediocre results in phase 3 trials for DMD and CF.
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the number of compounds in phase III vs the number selected by in silico screening is a huge ratio.
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't mind saving me a little googling - how does it function?
How does it bypass a nonsense mutation to give a fucntional protein?
How specific is it?
How is it delivered?
I'm not a biologist so I won't do a great job explaining. Essentially there are two ways to achieve nonsense suppression. One is to mutate the anticodon to recognize PTCs. The second, more widely used method is to mess with the ribosome so that it is likely to just ignore PTCs altogether. Delivery would be the same as any other drug, which means that the same delivery issues exist for full body conditions.
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the time - I'll probably read up as it sounds interesting and might be something I can use at some stage for designing experiments to assess nonsense-mediated disease models.
It really is an interesting field. The NF1 research team at UAB have developed a floxed mouse model that causes death within two weeks after knockout of the wild-type NF gene. The other allele is a nonsense NF gene. This allows them to easily test new candidate readthrough drugs as gene expression is quite obvious (the mouse survives).
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's quite a crude readout - I'd hope they go into more depth afterwards. Thanks for the info.
I work in a cancer lab that uses CRISPR and people are putting way too many expectations on CRISPR. It's an incredible tool but there is no way it is going to "cure cancer" within 10 years. Even if a cure started clinical trials today, trials could be 10 years. But more importantly "cancer" is really 100s if thousands of diseases. There are imprivements and breakthroughs, but I have never met a cancer bioligist who thinks cancer will be a thing of the past in our lifetimes.
l1ner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPS is one thing. But how about other methods. Like immunotherapy. Couldn't this be an effective treatment in the next 1015 years?
Geler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be possible in 1020 years but there is no way this will work in 1015 years.
Immunotherapy is a good first step (and as the gene-edited cells are being modified outside the patient's body, it helps avoid some nasty off-target effects), but we'll still run into problems with failing to identify molecular targets on the cells of some cancers.
It will work a lot better than old-school therapies (namely radiation/chemo), but it won't be the magic bullet for all cancer types.
Effective, sure, and gradual progress us being made all the time. But still no one thing is going to just suddenly cure all cancers because cancer is not one monolithic thing.
There are many, many ways people study cancer and all of the ways may contribute a little piece to the puzzle.
CRISPR might genuinely turn out to be amazing within the next 10 years, but whenever scientists get hyped up and say within the next 10 years we'll be able to do these amazing things, I get very cautious about jumping onto the hype train. In a similar vein, graphene was by now supposed to be omnipresent and we were promised stuff like super batteries and incredibly strong light-weight material, yet the progress towards the original hype has been much slower than anticipated.
TXDRMST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a bio person I disagree. Many types of cancer are completely different from each other. It's not simple at all.
Xervicx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But with that, so could the entire medical industry. The industry itself is already full of made up prices that go far beyond any point of reason. So cancer will be a thing of the past at a ridiculous premium, or we'll be hit hard in other ways since those with the money and power will want to keep that money and power.
j4_jjjj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR is highly debated right now though. I love the idea, but my wife worries about gene selection being overused during childbirth. Easy to slip into a "perfect" world like Hitler envisioned with that kind of technology. I think regulation will be fine, and we can see some massive leaps with CRISPR.
Kijafa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only issue with what went down in that movie in my opinion, is how they treated natural born people and less successful genetic births. Just keep genetic history private from employers and hire based on merit.
It would be cruel to have a solution for basically every genetic condition and not allow access to everyone.
If it helps, most of the "traits" that pop science journalists imagine targeting with gene therapy aren't really there.
There's no "smart" gene - or rather, there are many genes, each correlated super weakly with tiny changes in intelligence. Hell, even height is spread across dozens of loci, and their interactions aren't yet well understood.
We're still working on the ability to make changes to a cell's genetic code - but that doesn't mean that we have any idea what to target (aside from rare variants of genes that cause known diseases).
Obviously, there's going to be a lot of testing before we start chopping up human genetic material willy-nilly in individuals.
This is where things like immunotherapy come in, where the cells are modified outside of the human body, so that they can be aborted if there are off-target effects.
Don't get me wrong here, I for one welcome our new genetically modified overlords. To not use the technology would be throwing away a lot of potential.
I just don't think CRISPR will be some cookie-cutter cure for cancer is all, it isn't going to be perfect, and in fact any germ-line editing technique will generate errors. This is pretty self evident in that species replicate by sexual reproduction in the first place - it's all about cutting down on the harmful mutations induced by our own cellular machinery.
If there was a biologically perfect method, biology would be quite different.
There's not just one kind of cancer though. There's not even just one kind of bone cancer just to pick one at random. If scientists somehow figure out how to cure one kind of bone cancer it doesn't mean they'll know how to cure all cancer or even other kinds of bone cancer.
No. It does discriminate based on the gene that defective/mutated. In many cancers as well as on an individual level we don't yet know what specific gene (or genes) is the problem.
oophaga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't discriminate because you can create a custom guide for the molecule to work for any gene. It's just a matter of understanding what genes to target. That understanding will develop over time with the rapid advancements in sequencing technology and increased availability of cancer genomic data
oophaga ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted for this - I do this for a living ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
My point is that you must know the gene responsible for the illness, and so as a result at present ( understanding future research will create more targets) , the technology's therapeutic benefit does discriminate based on the diseases with a known target gene.
oophaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well technically there are usually multiple driver events and there's no single specific gene that is responsible for each cancer... but yes you are correct that you cannot just edit 1 of the 20,000 genes in a person's genome and expect it to work for a disease. You will have to target the correct somatic mutations that gave rise to tumorigenesis in the first place. I still don't think you should be so quick to downplay the promise gene therapy has in the field. Comparing CRISPR and other gene editing technologies to currently available treatment options like small molecule inhibitors is like comparing a Phillips head screwdriver to an 8mm security torx bit. It has such a wide range of applications and it's already being utilized daily in the lab setting for creating valuable in vitro models for perturbation experiments. It's only a matter of time before clinical trials begin to show promise and the therapeutic potential really begins to shine.
Totally agree that there is incredible promise in CRISPR- only feel it's a bit premature to think it's a matter of time before cancer as a whole is curable.
It's more disruptive to adults, but yes. Larger changes can have the same effect as incompatible organ transplants, or disrupt chemical balances, and more. Small localized changes are more likely to be successful, as well as changes that are limited to internal cell behavior (but still no guarantees).
If you know computer science, it's like hotpatching the OS kernel. Very risky!
cye604 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:26:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like bacterial infections. One type of penicillin was discovered, then another, then another, then more type of antibiotics. It's reasonable to think this kind of thing would happen with cancer treatments as well.
I wish they could do this right now....I just found out my dog has bone cancer. (I know, I know, a dog vs. The many people who are also suffering. It's devastating all around). But id be on board with maybe some experimental cancer treatments for our pets, that can be also/later used for people. I know his time is running out, but if there would be a chance of him getting better, or possibly helping advance any research, it would be highly Considered. (And I say considered, because my dog, is 12 and the stage he is in, treatment, I think would be too much stress on him. If he were younger, and the cancer wasn't as aggressive from progression, then, if available, we'd do it.)
Sorry, I totally rambled there for a while!! But you're right! There are so many different types, that if we were to find a cure for one, it may not work for another. How do you counter something in the brain, with something meant for bone? And if you can cure the cancer, what about the other damage to the body, that it may have influenced, or weakened?
The thing is cancer in animals is different than cancer in humans. I lost a dog to cancer a few years back. It sucks. It really does. I miss that hound.
Right but we could still come up with someone that constantly polices the body for cancer and I eradicates it on sight. That would be a "cure". Whether it be a nano robot or some kind or training our immune system. It's still a global cure for cancer.
exikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen so many people around me die from cancer over the years that I kind of just doubt we will make any meaningful progress towards extending survival rates in our life time. It might be confirmation bias but it seems like doctors are just as shit at diagnosing it and that we're using the same old shitty chemo and radiation that we were 10 years ago. It feels like we're spinning wheels without any progress and that's almost more depressing to me than the cancer itself.
Survival rates have already improved by leaps and bounds in our lifetimes (I'm in my 20s). Many cancer diagnoses that were almost death sentences now have non-trivial 5-year survival rates. While that may sound like a mouthful of words sugar-coating marginal improvement, these are significant advances.
Also, there are a ton of new drugs being developed to hopefully replace conventional chemotherapy. At this point the issue is adequately evaluating all of them and finding the most efficacious combinations with limited resources (patients being among these).
Survival rates have improved and will continue to improve.
The reason it seems we are just as shitty at diagnosing is because our current imaging technology will only detect a tumor if it's 1 cubic inch (or 1 gram I can't remember). By then the cancer can be pretty bad depending on the type (like pancreatic cancer).
The main key is early diagnosis.
But treatments are improving, and I do believe that significant progress towards a cure will be made within our lifetime.
I work in regenerative medicine and the things that are possible blow my mind but I'm not so sure about a decade. It's important to remember cancer is a family of hundreds of diseases. Gene therapy, even if it is up and running full throttle, is not a catch all cure. There are also a lot of struggles with gene therapy as well. CRISPR, while it's something I believe in enough to dedicate a lot of my time to, could end up having some nasty side effects although I hope that's not the case.
Previous gene therapies were risky because they could increase mutations and cause additional diseases down the road. There are reports of CRISPR causing hundreds if not thousands of unintentional mutations which is slowing its launch into clinical use. Some CAR-T cell treatments have even been lethal or given the recipient an additional lymphoma. It will be a while before we work out the kinks and this will have to happen for each individual treatment (and this is just what can be treated genetically)
Some things may become a routine cure in the next decade but the fight is far from over and it will take a LONG time before we have all of them completely figured out. Heck just research pipelines and getting through the FDA can take just one type of treatment a decade to get off the ground.
You are right about how promising the tech is though. Mostly saying this because donations to the field of regenerative medicine (and investments if you want to have some fun) are still greatly needed!
Don't want to rain on your parade, but "curing cancer" is not something that will happen in the next 10 years, and I would guess even in 100 years. Gene therapy only applies to a very select few diseases.
Cancer is a very general word, it just means a process whereby there is unregulated cell growth. Different types of cancer are treated very differently, because the underlying cause of the unregulated cell growth is very different.
Prostate cancer is something you can live with for 30 years (depending on certain characteristics) while muscle invasive bladder cancer is nearly universally fatal within 5 years without treatment.
Having said that, in the next ten years I am sure that advances will come whereby certain types of cancer become much more manageable and we have much better prognoses for those patients.
We all walk around with 2 billion transistors in our pockets on our cell phones but we still cant detect cancer until it's too late. I really want ANNs and genetic algorithms to play a bigger part in diagnosing and building treatment plans for cancer. Family doctors are just people who can make mistakes but some day everyone's private IBM watson wont.
I think the concept of genetic testing leading to more individualized cancer treatments is already here in some diseases (e.g. Prostate cancer) and is advancing in others. My limited knowledge is in urology but these techniques are being used in other fields too.
Pertaining to my comment to which you replied, cancer isnt one entity - some cancers we have gotten pretty good at identifying early, through screening and so on. But you're right, the path to medical perfection is going to be a long one. I do however think that right now we're at the bottom of an exponentially increasing curve of improvement in our ability to diagnose and treat not just cancer but many diseases.
The thing is that "cancer" is kind of like the word "pain", or the word "color" - blue and red are both colors but they are quite different.
"Cancer" basically just means that cells divide abnormally and in an unregulated way, but there are many different types of cells that can divide in many different types of ways for many different types of reasons. So it's not really a single diagnosis but rather a broad category of distinct diagnoses.
Some cancers can be treated fairly well with medications and therapies, others not so much. In order to make progress on treating them, in general, it must be done individually - that is, you can make progress on treating prostate cancer (of which there are subtypes), or breast cancer (of which there are subtypes), etc.
"Curing cancer" in 10 years I think is basically ludicrous. I think you would basically need to have full control over all gene expression in every type of cell.
And we still don't even fully understand all of the extents to which genes can be regulated. I mean, just the other day there was a paper about how some ribosomes might be more likely to translate specific proteins...
The MANY layers of gene regulation blows my mind. I fucking love genetics.
Vaccines might be another method as well, and they already work for some cancers.
To your other point: 10 years is likely too soon, sadly. My mother was on an experimental treatment for very aggressive triple negative breast cancer. This type of cancer has something like a 10% 5-year survivability rate. It's been almost 9 years. The drug, however, is caught up in FDA regulatory hell. That's what will keep many people from living with/surviving cancer.
It's not about optimism; cancer will likely never be "cured". It's a general condition with many types and causes, and a state that our bodies can enter that is inherent to how we function.
lordliv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few months ago, I got a vaccination for HPV, which often leads to cervical cancer. I think that's neat as hell. It's not a cure, but it's now something that's a bit less likely for me.
I know nothing about medicine, but isn't cancer simply bad cells reproducing uncontrollably? If there's a way to stop that reproduction firmly, could that kind of be a "cure for cancer?" I genuinely know nothing about this so forgive me if i am being really naive
The real problem is targeting. How do you differentiate between normal cells and cancerous ones, and only kill the latter?
We've found some techniques, and some therapies just plain don't care (radiation and chemotherapy kill relatively indiscriminately - they just affect fast-reproducing cells faster, so they tend to kill the cancer before they kill the patient). But it's not easy, because so many different errors can cause a cell to become cancerous and almost all of them would show different target characteristics. A mutation here creates a cancer cell with x protein we can reliably target, but a mutation there doesn't, or creates one with y protein, or creates one with normal protein z but in slightly different levels, which screws up targeting because normal cells have it too.
ALL stands for acute lymphoblastic leukemia and it's not cured. We've just developed more effective treatments that result in remission more often than before.
Dude redditors are a bunch of pessimistic nitpickers who think we are all going to die in 100 years. I don't much stock in anything people say on here.
Damn I'm sorry. Have you been screened, I'm just saying , three family members...
lsaz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:07:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Going to mars is cool and all, but I rather solve earth problems first.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:02:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like buzzfeed as much as anyone else here but I don't think that's a very appropriate joke to make considering this guys whole family has cancer
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:01:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked on an algorithm that helped simulate cancer treatment options a few years back. I think that the analysis of DNA is going to be a really big help in treatment. Cancers are all so different, the same kind of cancer can take on similar but different mutations and being able to identify the gene let's you effectively "turn it off," using traditional medicine.
We were able to simulate a bunch of treatment tracts to find the best one, but the prohibitive factor for patients was cost. This cost will decrease as computing power becomes cheaper, making it more accessible.
Oh yeah I wish it would have been cured before I was diagnosed too, but that was two years ago. Now I just wish it could be cured before I die from it.
And there is nothing irrational about a fear of spiders. They creep me out to not end!
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I watched my grandfather go from alert and talkative in a hospital bed last Saturday to unresponsive and delirious on Monday. He had brain, liver, and lung cancer, stage 4, and they think it was spreading to his spine by the end of it.
I knew when I was leaving the hospital on Tuesday morning at 2 am that he was going to be dead the next day. And it was mentally one of the worst things I've ever been through. He didn't even make it 24 hours in hospice.
He refused chemo cause he didn't wanna put my family through it. And while it was heartbreaking, I understand why he did it.
And while it was heartbreaking, I understand why he did it.
The fucking worst thing I have ever seen was watching my high school friend die from cancer at 22. Died about 1 year after being diagnosed and oh my god what his parents and sister had to go through must have been some kind of hell. His mom posted really sappy things on facebook about how tough her "little man" was and how he was going to pull through and would post that stuff even when it was clear he wasn't going to make it but she just kept hoping for a miracle I guess or I have no idea because there's just no way I could even begin to try and picture being in her shoes. Ican picture my mom saying those exact same words about me or my siblings though. And that aspect of cancer scares me more than me getting the disease itself.
Dying if you have no family sounds hard. But dying and being survived by your own mother who watches you suffer and die sounds impossible. If there is a god I don't want to have anything to do with him because he's one sick son of a bitch putting people through that.
Immunotherapy for certain cancers is already in trials and some are ready to start rolling out.
TL;DR version of how is works is that immune system cells like T cells and NK cells can be genetically programmed to target specific cancer cells. These immunity cells can be grown in culture and introduced to a patient. The success rate of these treatments is startling.
Yeah that. CAR-T immunotherapy is being tried against lymphomas right now. You can go to clinicaltrials.gov and search CAR-T and you will see lots of studies. Now I am not sure if the paper(s) have come out yet but some of my friends doing these trials are noticing some problems that is some of the techniques are causing strokes in patients sometimes several years down the line. I don't know the full story (and I am not interested anymore), but we have hit some hurdles on the way. Hopefully it's cleared up soon and we make more progress.
Cancer already has a cure, or rather, different cancer types already have different cures. A treatment does not have to be effective in 100% of cases to be a cure. Paclitaxel was an early chemotherapeutic agent derived from the Pacific Yew tree in the early 1970s and first approved for use to treat cancer in the early 1990s. It has been used (sometimes effectively, sometimes not) to treat breast, lung, and ovarian cancer (also Kaposi sarcoma). This is but one "cure" that we have for cancer. Sure, people like to use the term "remission" after chemo and radiation therapy are deemed effective, but I would argue if you're remiss for years until something entirely unrelated to cancer or complications from cancer kills you then you were, in effect, cured. It annoys me that people don't see how far we have come in treatment of cancer in the past decade alone. I guess being in the healthcare industry and dealing with oncology-related clinical trials is not something that everyone has exposure to, but (certain types of) cancer are very much "curable" today, right now.
That being said, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. IMO everybody needs to be vaccinated for high-risk HPV because not only does it lead to cervical cancer in women, it can lead to oropharyngeal cancer in both men and women. Everybody is at risk, so get vaccinated to protect yourself and others.
It annoys me that people don't see how far we have come in treatment of cancer in the past decade alone
15 years ago I see family/friends die from cancer
10 years ago I see family/friends die from cancer
5 years ago I see family/friends die from cancer
2017 I see family/friends die from cancer
It's hard to recognize that there's been progress in curing cancer when my own n=1 sample sized observations have always been: "you, your friends, your family will all probably get cancer and then might die". Probably it's confirmation bias or I'm just a cynic but even so it sucks.
Just lost my dad to cancer a little over 2 months ago, on my moms birthday, his wife of 35+ years :( my brothers and I and family friends have all been making sure SHE is ok first, sucks man he was my best friend
It means a lot, thank you, every little bit I can get to get me through these times will certainly help :)
And I dont think you're creepy, you reached out to a total stranger to wish them well. It is appreciated, and I will pay it forward :) enjoy your day friend
av9099 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say Multiple sclerosis, because the cause is unknown, I have no high hopes that it will be achieved in my lifetime. I'm in my twenties.
Not only adult cancer but childrens cancer as well. The last twenty years there have been over 300 treatments found and created for adult cancer, and there has only been three for children.
Yeah, Childhood Leukemia has a survival rate of 90%, and is the most common childhood cancer, but the third most common childhood cancer, DIPG has a 0% survival rate, with a 9-12 month timeframe. Leukemia cases have been steadily dropping, but DIPG cases have risen. It's a horribly aggressive disease, and not a lot of people are doing anything about it.
There are adult cancers that have low survival rates too, like lung cancer at 13%, but these cancers are actively being researched, and have had treatments made for them within the last 30 years. Most of the cancers that adult have, have anywhere from a 51% survival rate, all the way up to a 99% survival rate.
Cancer is such a problem because so many of us are living unhealthy lives and eating crap. A true fix would be to really figure out how to get everybody living and eating healthier and cancer rates would drop. A band-aid fix would be better cancer treatments as the population continues to get more obese and sedentary and that just means you replace death by cancer with death by diabetes or something else.
By all means: we need a cure but so many cancer deaths are simply preventable.
cusoman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:03:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to my mother-in-law who did healthy living right, active every day, growing their own fruits and vegetables without chemicals and eating right every day with tons of water in the diet -- still ended up with ovarian cancer.
The unfortunate reality is you can do everything right and still get cancer. My grandmother passed from lung cancer without ever touching a cigarette. Ovarian cancer is influenced by estrogen exposure, for one thing. Women who begin menstruation early in their lives, who have menopause late, and who take hormone replacement therapy for menopause increase their risk for breast and ovarian cancer slightly. It isn't a huge increase, but it's there.
and also just because there's a 90% possibility of one outcome (no cancer) doesnt mean the 10% outcome wont come true too sometimes. You can live right and reduce your chances of getting cancer all the way down to 1%, but then if you talk to 100 people who do that 1 of them will still have gotten cancer.
By all means: we need a cure but so many cancer deaths are simply preventable.
How does what I said suggest people don't die of cancer through no fault of their own?
cusoman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, missed that and I think you should have led with that because the first part of your post really makes it sound like you believe that simply living a healthy life prevents cancer, which is untrue. There's so many environmental factors even living a healthy life won't control.
It doesn't eliminate you getting cancer completely but it certainly does prevent cancer to some extent. If 100 people live healthy lives and reduce their cancer risk down to 10% then 10 of them will still get cancer.
I specifically didn't lead with that because I see people point to the exceptions as a way to ignore what they should be doing to lower their risk factors. I hear all the time "Well, so-and-so lead a healthy lifestyle and got cancer anyway so ... I'll just keep on eating fast food..."
And I also know it's a very, very tall order because for so many people it's extremely hard to choose a healthier lifestyle, especially if you're poor. My worry is that we focus too much on "I hope some day doctors find a cure" and then just don't do what we need either individually or as a matter of government/business decisions to prevent disease. Even just in terms of macroeconomics it's plain stupid to spend tons of money fixing broken people when so many might not have gotten that way with just better prevention.
cusoman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're definitely on agreement on those points. Just so you know, I definitely wasn't dismissing a healthy lifestyle like those you're talking about, that bothers me too.
It inevitably has to be a multi-pronged approach that includes promoting healthy lifestyles, cleaning up our environment and medical treatments.
Prevention is definitely the key. Eating well is a huge step in the right direction, although there are other major environmental factors like job related exposure to chemicals and dusts, air/water pollution, etc. Nailing down and stopping every potential cause of gene damage that could lead to cell replication errors will be pretty difficult, especially in this chemically laced world of ours. Keeping the immune system working at full capacity by giving it good nutrition might be the best defense an individual has.
exikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but that is just wrong. Yes, some cancers have known risk factors or causes. For most it is just being old and bad luck. Cancer is an inherent part of getting older. To quote my oncology prof: "live long enough and everybody gets some form of cancer".
Look man. I tried doing the healthy thing. I got rhabdomyolysis after my third workout and I didn't even push myself very hard at all. I'm destined to die no matter what I try.
Yeah, right. We're not going to cure lung cancer if people keep smoking...
sdh68k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer is a term for a whole bunch of things that can go wrong with you. Curing it is going to be hard. The various types will be 'cured' one by one.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer doesn't HAVE TO exist. CRISPR has already seen people's cancer disappear. This will happen in our lifetime.
Namika ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer doesn't HAVE TO exist.
People have to die due to something. Thousands of biological processes and pathways in our bodies degrade over the decades. Cancer is one of the better known pathologies, but if we "cured cancer" we'd all be dying of other etiologies.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my main response to OPs question was exactly that. My wish is to see full biological rejuvenation. Aubrey de gray lists 7 forms of damage and how they can be reversed. this specific comment i made about cancer not having to exist is exactly that. We are in agreement.
Are you saying you'd like to see us become immortal?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a problem with the longevity community is that they use the term "immortality" which is technically impossible. What i'm saying is that i don't want the cause of my death to be because of my own heart, lungs, liver, brain or etc. As long as i am healthy and not depressed, i would not like to die. If i were 120 and still healthy, i can't imagine saying "i'd like to be a bit less healthy next year than i am this year". Unless you're depressed, you're never going to say that. From there, it all comes down to whether you believe we can theoretically reverse the cellular and molecular damage.
You're saying there's already a cure for cancer? I'm curious as to what makes you say that.
Namika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, to be fair, a massive amount of people survive cancer. We have literally dozens of "cures", it's just that cancer is always evolving around whatever cure we develop.
It's literally no different than bacteria evolving around antibiotics. You can create the most perfect "cure" to sepsis, but once you start using it in patients, eventually certain bacterial strains will (by chance of evolutionary mutations) develop resistance to your cure and now you're back to square one.
That's happens with cancers too, we just don't hear about it as often.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am glad to see someone else mentioning this too. Neural networks and genetic algorithms and in the far future quantum computers we can actually make use of can play a very big role in early detection and treatment plans.
Finding a cure to Parkinson's. That shit runs in our family and it scares the shit out of me.
zywrek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relative to how the situation was 25 years ago, you could say we're already there.
But yea, I would love to see a cure, as my step-dad (we're very close) likely won't live until Christmas..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should probably start with a very easy check for abnormal growths. Just something really routine and done in a few seconds. Finding it in early stages is huge.
I'm 43. I've seen a lot of change in my lifetime. I don't care too much about going to Mars or flying cars. But a cure for every form of cancer would change the entire planet.
That, plus $1.00 a gallon gas.
WatNxt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is what you do with all the people that survive... Curing cancer and aging just means you have to stop having kids, or we run out of space. Or we run into space. A ton of sci-fi novels are based on the concept that population growth is tied to how many space colonies you can set up, which will NEVER EVER keep up with population growth... so tension.
Most common forms of cancer are already easily treatable. Breast and prostate cancer (2 most common as far as I can see) both have very high survival rates. The only way people are dying from cancer these days are if it hits a vital organ, or if it's not detected early and spreads.
We are very close to much better treatments with much better outcomes. And even better screenings. However, people will still die of cancer because they waited too long before seeking treatment. Google "Aptamers for cancer therapy" and you will see how close we are.
Ruidan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Imagine being like "oh got the pesky cancer again, let me go to the doctors and get put on meds" like it's a cold.
Namika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have to die due to something. Thousands of biological processes and pathways in our bodies degrade over the decades. Cancer is one of the better known pathologies, but if we "cured cancer" we'd all be dying of other etiologies
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. A treatment for cancer is definitely a possibility, but a cure is nigh impossible for every cancer due to the nature of it.
I want castles to become a thing again. They're obsolete because of gunpowder, TNT, nukes, et al, but if something happens where the human species dwindles and explosives are no longer a threat; castles are totally coming back. And I feel their architectural progress could advance in ways we never imagined because we never had to in order to survive. It would be fun to see newer, better castle design.
Seeing as this is getting a bit of traction, I figured I'd give a shout-out to Shadiversity. No, I am not him. I only like castles, he fucking LOVES castles.
You may be interested in King Ludwig II, who tried to build Castles during the Industrial Revolution. Only two were ever complete, but he loved castles about as much as you do.
Everybody wants immortality (stupid goal) and lack of religion (stupid goal) and this guy wants castles. I'm with castles guy. This sounds great.
For the record. Immortality is impractical because then no one new would get to live. If everyone on earth started staying alive forever then bringing new people into the world at the rate we do would become unsustainable overnight (not that it isn't already). As a result no one could have children anymore. On top of that, why should all the people on earth now be the only ones who get to live? Part of being a species is to advance and that requires new generations. Every new generation is better than the last, even if we may not always see it that way things do get better.
No religion is equally stupid because it ignores the good parts of religion. People always focus on the bad because it's easy to point fingers at the westboro baptist church, or any such extremists. But the fact is that it's really hard to quantify all the good religion does for people too. The problem isn't religion, it's a flaw in people's perception of our unity as a people, and a closed mindedness to other ideas.
Anyways, TLDR: immortality is stupid, religion isn't that bad. Castles are sweet.
vikingzx ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:34:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If everyone on earth started staying alive forever then bringing new people into the world at the rate we do would become unsustainable overnight (not that it isn't already).
Immortality would bring with it a host of scientific and social advances however. How much is our development slowed by the fact that you have to spend in some cases upward of 40 years acquiring the knowledge to be able to contribute to new discoveries, only to face old age slowing you twenty years later?
The world has constantly argued that mankind can't take any more people. Crud, there was a well-known article written in the early 1900s by a social scientist that said mankind had nearly reached the limits of human population on the Earth because farmland couldn't support any more than it currently did. Others made similar claims in the 60s, 70s, and even now. Yet each time mankind has improved everything. Crops today yield more than three times more due to advances in agriculture, and housing is far better and more suited to large numbers.
Immortality? Mankind would leap forward. Space colonies, long-term developments, the works. Any need would find an army of minds ready to fill it.
Well yes, my body would. But my consciousness would live inside a digitized space and I could just interact with them via electronic devices and create my own avatar.
Tasgall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:53 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your consciousness wouldn't necessarily transfer - if you're entirely being replaced by a machine. If it uses any method that doesn't involve your physical brain, you're essentially cloning yourself which doesn't leave you with a stream of consciousness in a digital form. Your clone would be immortal, not you.
If you hook your physical brain into a system that can keep it alive forever and simulates sensory inputs though, then yeah that could work.
Clearly I just kill myself immediately after having an image of my brain taken to preserve that stream. /S
But I see your point.
Tasgall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:25 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you ship-of-Theseus it over a few years replacing small parts of your brain with functionally identical replacements it might work - but there really would be no way of knowing if or when the "host" loses consciousness and dies...
If only "souls" were actually concrete entities and not some vague construct for something that doesn't actually exist...
Ok but here's the problem with every single argument against my stance on immortality. ALL of you have based your argument on the fact that we would have solutions to the problems posed by immortality in short order. Which isn't at all a guarantee. So if we had capacity to expand into the universe and basically set up shop wherever we wanted, sure! Immortality isn't so bad. But as it stands we can't do that. And given that we are much farther away from that than there is remaining time in my life, and the question was "what would you want to see in your life time" immortality seems like a terrible idea, as it stands.
I will however concede that immortality would take one of the problems of space travel out of the equation and that is the time aspect. But there are still a host of other issues we'd need to overcome to make long distance space travel for colonization possible. Growing food on the ship, building an ark large enough to send people out in space. Building that craft in space. The list goes on.
Furthermore people may have argued that we have maxed out earth's capacity for a century, and we may have made it through that. But again, those arguments don't account for the mass population increase that would result from immortality. If immortality happened, sure people would still die, but not even close to the rate that people are born at. As a result population of earth could theoretically increase by 30%ish in a year. Adding 2.4 billion people to the population in a year is simply not sustainable in any model no matter how you spin it. So once again, in my lifetime immortality would be a shit option.
memnoc ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you misunderstand what an opportunity is. Just because a person isn't born at a specific time because there is no reason for people to procreate, doesn't mean a life or opportunity of life was lost as a result. You can't kill life which isn't even theoretically conceptualized.
There is truth that it just makes population control even more complicated, but if people continue to age and learn forever maybe we'll all eventually stop making past mistakes because we'll have all been alive to see every mistake.
Your view on immortality bothers me. First off, people would still die, just not from old age. Second, the reason each generation is better than the last is because of technological advancements, not because reproduction makes objectively better people. You also ignore the fact that humans will likely colonize other planets, requiring more people.
society and progress get stale, if they don't stagnate completely. There's no one new bringing in new ideas, or requiring the people who were here first to use their brains to think outside the box. Plus, don't you think the world would get so boring after one hundred or two hundred years with the exact same people, likely stuck in the exact same routine?
Why would this happen? The people who are already here can still cause progress and come up with new ideas. You can't meet every person in the world in a couple hundred years, so why would it get boring? Why is death a preferable alternative to boredom?
You'd get to have a network of surveillance cameras monitor your enemies' trivial progression throughout your keep, as you trigger falling gates, rocks, wall-flamethrowers, and other contraptions to easily defeat them.
Google, "The Top 100 Things I'd Do if I Ever Became an Evil Overlord".
Yeah, but flying buttresses in themselves aren't a good defensive feature. They exist to strengthen the core structure whilst allowing in the maximum light, this why you see them on cathedrals more than castles. A flying buttress is inherently weak from attack, and would need to be buttressed by a second set of buttresses, which in turn would need to be buttressed by a third set.
Incidentally, this third set is known as a galley, giving us the rarely seen Renaissance architectural style known as buttress-buttress-galley.
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You SO nailed that I love you lol :) X
edit - Really NOT being sarcastic here, I lol'ed! At early am!
Castles are obsolete because its relatively easy to fling rocks and other heavy objects on it from distance that makes retaliation from within the castle impossible.
Before the advanced siege weapons were a thing, castles were basically WW2 trenches in medieval setting - resource battle. Occupants fighting defendants on resource allocation alone.
You've completely missed the point. For one thing, I didn't say I wanted to live in a castle. And a castle that isn't useful for combat is either an obsolete old castle that used to be useful, or it's a fake castle that's designed to be pretty but completely useless. I don't give a shit about seeing more people live in things that look like castles. I want to see what advancements can be made to castle design under real-world conditions. I want to find out if they peaked and no improvements are possible, or if there's new innovative designs the old castle builders never figured out. And we can only ever find that out under actual, evolutionary selective pressures in real life test conditions where actual lives are on the line and survival depends on it.
Tasgall ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:18:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see what advancements can be made to castle design under real-world conditions
Nah, that's boring. Then you get star-forts (not the sci-fi ones, the star-shaped ones...) and later concrete bunkers.
If you want to nix gunpowder and flight, well, you've lost the "real world conditions" angle - but if you want endless medieval period, but with modern construction techniques, you've just replaced the cool looking stone with reinforced concrete and steel. As for layouts and general tech, they were actually pretty damn good in their designs at the time. It was already a terrible idea to try to directly take a castle head on, so defensive fortifications wouldn't need to improve that much. What could be improved though is accessibility to better fortified locations (ie, build on higher cliffs), and... gardens.
Castle gardens sound lame, and not at all what you probably wanted because you're not going for aesthetics, but the only real way to take a castle sans gunpowder is by siege and gardens let you produce food while surrounded. With modern farming techniques and our significantly better crops in general, an effective farm in an inner bailey could let you outlast an attacker pretty easily if you're waiting for reinforcements.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the technology of today, it is easier to build wide and sophisticated tunnels, bridges and passageways, meaning that the ol' "Castle surrounding by a moot" design could be extended to "Castle surrounding by an artificial lake or by a swamp" design, with lots of tunnels crossing the lake, that allows the forces within the castle to both resist a siege better and it gives them an easier time flanking and sabotaging the sieging by the enemy
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, personally, think the Maginot Line-style forts were pretty damn cool. Those things were so magnificently expensive and over-engineered, but they looked incredibly cool.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could have castles be viable again, but you need the breakthrough that would be mass production of macroscale graphene sheets. That shit is beyond strong and more flexible than steel in the right configuration, you could build a stone castle and cover the outside in a couple thousand atoms thick of graphene and it would be ridiculously strong.
Even better though, at only a couple thousand atoms graphene is translucent black color, so your castle will look totally dark and forboading.
but if something happens where the human species dwindles and explosives are no longer a threat;
I thought "The Walking Dead Europe" would be interesting. Castles would be a major part of it. Especially the small castles that are sort of screwy little museums that seem to be all over the place.
Sort of like the Dune universe. Personal defense shields have gotten so good that the only way to penetrate them is really slowly, with a knife or dagger rendering guns nearly useless.
I live near carlisle castle which is still fully intact so I'm all good.
Hell my post apocalypse plan is to hide out innit and sharpen my blunt HMB weapons, don my armour and call myself Lord BeanItHard
"Castle design" is not entirely extinct. While long-range weaponry diminish the value of fortifying a position, there are a few cases where fortifying a building or area is still worth it, and the technology and innovations employed there would make many a stronghold architect of the past proud.
The germans built many big fortresses on central europe during WWII, borrowing from tank design to withstand all kinds of bombardment, along with careful design to facilitate movement inside the building and all kinds of castle-y ingenuity. The Pentagon is another example of 'contemporary fortress', using a lot of cutting edge tech and contingency protocols to be able to survive even nuclear attacks.
Little bits of tech and clever thinking are always applied to strategic positions in warfare, and this can be seen as a direct continuation of ancient fortification tech. Even the very castles we consider today a beautiful show of form and function are not as spectacular as the fortifications of even older times - the romans would prefer to fortify big population centers instead of smaller buildings, leading to unmatched wonders like the Theodosian and Aurelian walls.
It can even be said that castles have been through a slow revival since the middle ages, as the renaissance and modern ages brought castle-like buildings in much larger sizes, and today neoclassical and neogothic style buildings effortlessly copy castle-ish features using modern construction technology to create buildings the medieval man would be astonished to see.
Did you read World War Z? Or better yet, listen to the audiobook. There's an amazing section about the British surviving the undead by using castles and taking up the ancient weapons they had as decorations. The whole book is fantastic, but that part definitely stands out. That and all the parts voiced by Mark Hamill.
There is a website run by a company called 20th Century Castles that is even a real estate agent for unusual properties. If you want to see what castles look like in a modern context, this is definitely it.... and even for sale to somebody who has a bit of money.
They haven't gone obsolete, but they have definitely gone underground in an attempt to survive nuclear attacks and other issues of modern warfare. Some are surprisingly quite large as well. Please try to convince me that these military structures are not castles, even if their appearance looks nothing like castles of a millennia ago.
Yea it really does suck, Europe has all the cool shit, meanwhile America has nothing of this sort since "the white man" only came over in the 1600s when castles were already long gone.
Hopping in late here, but as a cheeky plug to my homeland Wales has more castles per square mile of any other country. The larger ones are in suprisingly good condition for several centuary old buildings, and are open to the public. The histories are spectacular, and there are even a few fairly modern "faux" castles near where I am, in the North. One of them is currently being restored (if they ever have enough money), and it's absolutely stunning. Bonus points if you can pronounce it- Gwrych Castle.
Gawd I want classic castle on the outside and gorgeous comfortable modern mansion on the inside. Sure make it out of stone on the outside. But then insulate it and have electricity and plumbing. I just want a modern beauty and the beast castle okay. So I can have a modern beauty and the beast library in it where all the books are available to download on my Kindle so I don't have to actually go retrieve them. And my gorgeous Baroque(?) but not broke wardrobe has a mirror panel that knows my style and shows me a digital version of what I'd look like in certain outfits.
I feel their architectural progress could advance in ways we never imagined because we never had to in order to survive
Castle design has been almost exclusively about survival for all of history. Do you think the barbarian hordes outside the walls were trying to get in for hugs? People were wiped out and/or enslaved often. It was the norm. Castles came out of necessity, not because they looked cool. While castle design could improve slightly with modern tech, given your prerequisite "explosives are no longer a threat", castle design has already been pretty well honed and would not change in any fundamental way.
He is our Almighty Lord and Saviour, and, for that matter, way above all forms of human and non-human life. Hell, he's on his way to solving worldwide poverty and religious conflicts!
Also, plugging gaben.tv here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True a bronie
sturace ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:06:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if we make contact with an intelligent alien life form, and they've already made Half Life 3 which they share with our world
Its not going to be for a long time, the Half life 3 team is pretty much non existent at this time, only a few people working on it. Valve doesnt want to make new games anymore. They can exist solely being a marketplace for games at this point. especially with half life 3, they dont want people to be disappointed and absolutely hate valve for it.
Its a fantastic series, just play half life 1 and 2, dont bother with HL2 episode 1 and 2 though because they are the main reason people want a half life 3
Its mainly a circlejerk, but there has been speculation that Valve may have been doing it secretly multiple times. But honestly, Valve is only focusing on making money from steam and from their main games like CS:GO and DOTA 2, it also seems like they might be coming up with VR related games.
That's what I kind of figured. I mean, HL3 would be awesome, but if it isn't out by now, I doubt it ever will unless someone dies and priorities change.
I don't it's just a matter of making enough money. The thing about HL is the franchise is really well-known and popular because when HL 1 and 2 were made they were revolutionary to the industry in some ways, i can go more in detail if you want but to put it simple there is no way HL 3 will meet everybodys high standards that were set up for the game after so long and even becoming a meme. In my opinion, until Valve can come up with something that will make HL 3 really stand out in a meaningful way the game won't be released or announced.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:32:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dear God...
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HL2 was released in 2004. It is time to let it go. Steam isn't a gaming company any more and the HL series is significant but dead.
There is no way HL3 can live up to the hype, and it is probably best that the series is left alone. It was good, that is enough.
We don't need another duke nukem or daikatana.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The writer has already said he's never returning to the series and that it would have never ended anyway. It would have gone on forever with no conclusion anyway so might as well just play the games that already exist and accept it. It's not even that great of a series it's 99% nostalgia.
ch4ppi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good one
Fuckhl3 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was kinda hoping there would be separated lanes and they would get the shark to race him by shocking it in the balls like they do in pro bull riding.
I thought it would have been something like 2 Olympic pool-sized tanks with a shark in one and Phelps in the other. Then they would open the door to let the shark out when the clock starts and he swims to bait on the other side just past the finish line, while Phelps races in the other tank. Then the top down view shows us who is ahead, etc.
Not trying to be a dick but after the gimmicky and overhyped dogshit, like the guy "being eaten alive by a snake" that Discovery has been pumping out for the last 5 years ... this came as a surprise?
I pretty much quit watching Discovery after the "eaten alive," and the fake Megalodon and Mermaid "documentaries." Discovery has become complete garbage.
Shark week used to be the week I lived for. "live every week like it's Shark Week" was a legitimate push to enjoy life. Then Mermaids happened. Then Megaladon. The whole while, I was accepting the fact that they would focus on basically clickbait shark attack documentaries with the occasional educational biology and history of sharks that I loved. Then the "documentaries" became lied.
They killed Shark Week. I can't even get excited about it. My favorite week, better than my birthday, became a sick bastardization of itself. Shark Week jumped the shark. Fuck you Discovery, you've ruined the greatest thing you created.
Nope. IIRC shark attacks usually happened because they mistook the human for a seal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this scenario, it'd actually be very risky. Swimming freestyle will create lots of splashing, making you look like a distressed seal or injured fish. The shark's also cruising around near the surface, making it likely that they are on the lookout for food. Plus to get it around you you probably had to chum the water, so it's looking to feed.
But in general, if you're in the water with a shark it'll ignore you. Just try to splash as little as possible and don't bleed or pee in the water.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd pay to watch him to race a shark in the same tank.
Honest to goodness, no harm or cloning to occupant, low cost teleportation. Get your passport in order, see the Eiffel tower, Stonehenge, Golden Gate Bridge, New Zealand coastline, and some Japanese temples all in a few hours.
Those places would be insanely packed if everyone had quick access to them. Maybe you'd be good on the New Zealand coastline.
Marx0r ยท 618 points ยท Posted at 15:48:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first, but popular destinations would have to start regulating the crowds and set up some kind of reservation system. Maybe you'd have to wait five years to go see Stonehenge, but you could make a hundred different reservations and go somewhere new each weekend.
What would be unfettered chaos, however, is if every Muslim person in the world suddenly had the ability to make a pilgrimage to Mecca each year.
vesok ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 22:01:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well in all honesty if people with terrorist agendas could plan somewhere else and teleport to the scene of an attack, yeah that'd be a problem as well, no matter who they are.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Milo359 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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_Xertz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:32 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
very constructive comment...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, actually it wouldn't be that easy. I mean it would be insanely easy to get there but Hajj and even Tawaf (the optional pilgrimage to Ka'aba) require time and a specific process. Hajj has a journey included in it and would still require the time to actually do it so you can't just go for a couple hours and come back.
(Btw, if there is someone more knowledgable wo notices I got something wrong, please correct me) Now for Tawaf, there is an important step where you're required to stop by one of four(?) places where you take a shower and change into these things called Ihram. Then you go ahead with the rest of it. So it would have at the very least two stops so it might be easier to regulate to a certain extent.
these are all very good points and a lot of people still wouldn't be able to complete them. i do think it would be magnificent if the initial journey could be teleportation so to eliminate the main barrier for most muslims wishing to do the hajj. although, that journey in and of itself is considered a part of the experience so maybe that's sacrilegious even suggesting. i just want everyone to experience their sacred journey whatever it is. really does change your life and your relationship to humanity and whatever godhead you subscribe to.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How you get to the starting point doesn't really matter. It's from the starting point of the journey to it's end that a teleportation device would not help much with.
yeah, i wasn't sure. everything i've watched about it, they always like to tie the trip to mecca as part of the hajj. poetic license and all that i guess. i can see it. then again, if we could teleport, that could still fulfill that component since one minute you're in a filthy teleport terminal in LA and the next you're in mecca. that's going to give you some spiritual mojo probably.
have you seen the size of the place? and the new buildings they're finishing up? that clocktower is a massive behemoth and it looks like the new stuff is even bigger. they've already got to be close to that number.
i also don't think it would be as big of a problem to begin with. let's reframe this, what's really happening here is teleportation further reduces the costs (time as well as money) of travel. and the assumption given here is that eventually this cost will be negligible for everyone.
in between then and now, as costs continue to decrease, more and more people will gradually be able to afford it. many people will be content with seeing an attraction once and never going back. and you know how many people never see the tourist attractions in their own city until someone else visits? now the entire world is as accessible as your own city, and there is nobody who could "visit" who doesn't have exactly the same access. demand will never be as chaotic as it would be if travel costs were suddenly reduced to 0 for everyone all at once.
additionally, now it doesn't matter where you live because you can teleport to work. you can teleport to your extended family. you can teleport to your favorite restaurant in the entire world. this also means you can start your own restaurant in the middle of nowhere and, if it's good enough, it could still be packed every night. ditto for every other business or tourist attraction.
and consider that overcrowded areas are undesirable. nobody likes waiting in line, especially when you can just teleport somewhere else that's pretty much just as good with less of a wait. and this opens up some possibilities that were hampered by location before, so i'd expect there to be more attractions per capita.
so given all that, i think things will tend to be less crowded overall. mecca is still a valid point though. i guess they would just have to make it bigger.
Gammro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleport around the kaaba 7 times and be back before supper
Fytzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to my guide for the last few weeks of hiking in the Atlas Mtns, there's already a system in place for pilgrimages, almost like a lottery. They tend to choose people who are older, so my guide's parents went last year after 20 years of putting their names forwards, and then went as the village's selection.
if every Muslim person in the world suddenly had the ability to make a pilgrimage to Mecca each year.
or to the world trade center
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:54:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, as long as you avoid Mount Maunganui in the summer. Place is packed like the Gold Coast at that time grumble grumble good old days grumble
Duckism ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:26:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt it would be packed. On the country, I think any city will become so much more empty. Imagine if you can just step in a portal you can get anywhere. People could live any where on earth and still be able to enjoy the benefits of the urban existence. They wouldn't want to be all crowded inside cities and would live anywhere they want.
I would assume the teleportation centers, due to their insane cost, would be in the cities, though. So you'd want to live somewhat nearby, just like with airports today.
Duckism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's still a lot of factors unknown about this tech. If the price is too high most people just can't hop around and crowd anywhere.
Sure, cities in general might see a decrease in residents. But tourist attractions like the Eiffel Tower or the Louvre would be an unmanageable mess. They are packed now, just imagine if anyone of the 7 billion people on earth could just show up.
Teleportation sounds amazing, but it would end up being a god damn logistical nightmare.
Thank you choosing the Louvre, the next available time slot is December 25, 2030. Shall I book this for you?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, just prepare the Hoverboard.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, it might be spread out enough. If you can got anywhere for a casual weekend there is relatively little need to plan it out ahead. The vacation/tourism season would cease to exist.
Let's just say the vacation/tourism season is over a 3 month period or a 1/4 of the year. For those 3 months, every popular tourist attraction is packed (Most are packed even year round but let's stick to 1/4 of the year). Now consider the extremely low amount of the world's population that has the time and means to visit these sites in their lives (1 out of 10/25/50?). Giving everyone the time/means to travel to these sites would easily make up for making the tourist season a 24/7/365 affair. It would be hell on earth, and no booking system could help it.
Duckism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty sure they'd stop people just popping in whenever they want in area.
M_Binks ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donno; people are funny... if you've ever talked to someone who lives in a 'tourist town'; a lot of the locals only bother to see their 'thing' when friends come to town, or not at all.
Something about having an attraction right at your doorstep makes it less attractive; or at least makes you less likely to take time out of your life to experience it as something special.
I wonder if having full, easy access to everything wouldn't have the opposite effect - a decrease in tourism to many sites.
Or, to put it maybe a bit differently - if everybody can go up Everest, why bother going up Everest?
I hear you but I would think the majority of people living in tourist towns have already done the touristy stuff and that's why they only go when out-of-town friends come in. I lived in San Diego for 23 years and would only go to the zoo/balboa/sea world/etc. when friends were in town but that was because I've gone to each multiple times in my life.
To make another counter, would you say tourism has increased since the airplane was invented? Each transportation revolution increases people's opportunity to travel and people have seized that opportunity each time.
I was just about to make this point. I think a likely cause is because people like doing cool shit... that they can then tell everyone else about. So, you live in New York and you've seen the Statue of Liberty.. no shit.. so has the rest of the state.
Well if you could get anywhere at any time, then wouldn't crowds be more spread out? You would no longer need to book long vacations, and you could be in and out of an area in an hour and back home for dinner.
Maybe if you wanted to pop in for a second and see the Eiffel Tower or Louvre from a distance and then go home. The average person probably spends 4+ hours at the Louvre though.
8-9 million people a year visit the Louvre without teleportation. And the thing is packed the majority of the time with long lines. Spreading out crowds would be impossible even if only China had the teleportation technology.
But how would le lines be if you didn't have to wait in them directly? You could go see many other things and be back instantly, much like the fastpass at Disneyland.
I'd say a fast pass system that could handle 7 billion people for thousands of locations around the world would be almost as great of a technological marvel as the instant teleportation.
Even with out lines, you'll still spend hours in the Louvre (hell it takes 10-20 minutes just to push your way to the front of the mob to see the Mona Lisa). Your fast pass would be for 10 years in the future.
Buwaro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:55:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using a teleporter would be awesome for going to work though. I can live in my home town and work in Montana for the money. I could drive anywhere on my days off because the roads wouldn't be anywhere near as packed. I love road trips, hate traffic, so it would be awesome to take the scenic route in favor of just teleporting places like a lot of people would do.
The entire world would change. Cities wouldn't have to be massive overpopulated concrete jungles anymore, you can live anywhere and work anywhere.
Oh, it would be awesome in a lot of respects. 1/2 the world would probably work in teleportation logistics and maintenance. Which is probably a good thing because the hotel and current transportation industries would be crushed.
Buwaro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would still stay in hotels, there's something about sleeping in the town you're visiting that makes it better. However I could see where most people would just opt to teleport home and save the money. Maybe a 5 star hotel would be affordable for me by then.
Yeah I would only use it to get there and then stay in a hotel. The 4 and 5 star hotels would probably be fine. But motels and budget hotels would go belly up. Probably a lot of Hiltons and Marriotts too because business travel would be almost non-existent.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's okay because new zealanders iwll also get to enjoy going to other people's countries faster
Maybe it has come out by then. Point is, people would still travel to fantasy worlds after the shine of being able to visit all the tourist traps goes out.
HBlight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
insanely packed if everyone the chinese alone had quick access to them
Lets be realistic, when people have easy access to those kinds of landmarks, they will be less likely to go there. how often do you visit historical, artistic, or any type of local tourist spot where you live? Do you even know what all of them are?
I don't think you're being realistic. You think we will bring this amazing technology of teleportation to the masses but no one will really use it?
Airplanes gave everyone people access to other parts of the world and tourist destinations more than ever before. Do you really think tourism to landmarks (foreign and domestic) have gone down since then? Due to the ease of use (assuming it's easy) teleportation would increase world travel exponentially.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele-fragging would also be a huge concern.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele-fragging would also be a huge concern.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele-fragging would also be a huge concern.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele-fragging would also be a huge concern.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they would be less frequented in large amounts, if you get my meaning. If everyone can go literally anywhere on earth instantly, a lot of people will be going to lots more different places at the same time. I think it would become more of a grocery store crowd than a tourist crowd. So more traffic, but more evenly spread out.
Ugh I was just in Europe and flying IcelandAir was great, but when I had to switch to Aigle Azur for the last two hours in the nightmare airport of Orly, I was so done with air travel. If I have to fly over 8 hours to get somewhere, I'll splurge for either non-stop or business class. I'm worth more than that shit.
However, if you're ever flying around Canada, I strongly recommend Air North. Best flight experience I've ever had. Lots of fresh food, warm cookies, comfy chairs, nice staff, lots of space. Definitely my favorite airline.
bem13 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:43:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently did a ~15 hour Budapest-Beijing-Tokyo flight, then an ~18 hour one back. You do reach the "please just kill me" stage pretty soon lol. Teleportation would be so neat.
Or even just knockout gas. If I could get 100% unconscious upon boarding and then woken up when we land. That would be perfect.
(I can't take sleeping pills and even then you end up in a godawful position trying to get comfortable and you wake up too early. I want like the cryogenic pods in SciFi)
bem13 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:50:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly recommend you read "The Jaunt" by Stephen King, if you haven't yet. Okay, the knockout gas has another purpose there but it's a pretty good story.
Man, my last flight, I took a xanax, a CBD pill and a white wine, which usually fucks me right up and gives me an amazing sleep. But my seat was so uncomfortable and the windows were burning (I had a window seat on purpose) At one point I just started to cry because I had 6 hours left and I couldn't sleep and I was so tired and done and in so much pain.
When my dad was in the RAAF he would occasionally have to transport civilians in his Hercules. Babies do not like travelling in a Hercules because it's noisy and uncomfortable, so he'd reduce oxygen levels eeeever so slightly, the baby would stop crying and go to sleep and he'd turn it back up again.
You mean you took a plane from Budapest to Tokyo and immediately after you arrived you took a plane back? That's sad.
I know about long travels (Cรณrdoba-Buenos Aires-Amstedam-Barcelona was like 16 hours of flying plus some airport time in between; also I lost a flight Milan-Berlin, spent 12 hours in the airport for the next plane, plus some 8+ hours bus and trains).
I'm just saying I know the feeling, however, the point is with a teleportation device we, lazy humans as we are, would probably end up avoiding all commuting to the point of "hey I want to know the Eiffel Tower" whooshteleports himself from his bedroom to the very top of the Eiffel Tower and back to the grossery store. I know I'd do it and I'd lose a lot in doing so.
I've been on multiple 20+ hour flights, none of them non-stop or business class. You get restless and a little frustrated but honestly, it's not that bad. Just make sure you fill up your time like you would any other day โ a couple hours of sleep, some reading, maybe a little work, a season of television, a few walks, going to the washroom and brushing your teeth, etc. Before you know it you're landing!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually so good. When I flew from Inuvik to Edmonton, I ended up with like 4 meals and you get a warmed cookie half way and near the end of your flight. The stewards have a wide variety of uniforms and comfortable footwear which I think leads to better service and it's just wonderful. Yes you don't get a movie or anything, but you often get the row to yourself and the inflight magazine is pretty good. If they could implement the inflight charging stations that IcelandAir has, and a movie it would be the perfect airline.
The seat sales are also AMAZING! If you're planning to go anywhere they fly, make sure you get an alert for the seat sales. You'll save a bundle!
I swear I don't work for them, I've just been on a lot of shitty airplanes and I was so so happy to find an airline that didn't suck.
Yeah, but Air Canada sucked the last time I flew them (which granted was probably more than 10 years ago) WestJet's ok... But nothing amazing. Canadian North is fine, but not amazing.
AirNorth and Iceland Air are my top two airlines and if they could combine into a super airline that offers great food, warm cookies, great service, entertainment and a charging port, I would be ecstatic.
TAP out of Portugal was surprisingly great as well.
un-salt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:30:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โFor me, the most important spaces to be are the spaces in betweenโฆlike in airports or lobbies of hotelsโwhen youโre leaving one space and you arrive to another space. Before you start to make new habits youโre really open to destinyโฆyouโre more perceptiveโฆyou see things.โ
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Pomguo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:01:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but when things are easily visitable at any time, you never seem to find the time. So many people never see the great sights on their backdoor but tick off every one when on holiday. The time and effort and money investment seem to be important, as does the scarcity (the "if I don't do it now I may never do it" vs the "eh I can do this whenever")
I first noticed this very same thing while taking my first German tandem-partner to show her my city. I quickly realized I didn't really know my city more than "there are some bars here and there", very few things about its history.
The biggest advantage here would probably be for people who have loved ones all over the place. Sure, we have it great now because we can facetime and whatnot but if you could just travel great distances in an instant it would be so awesome for all the people who can't really be with each other. Bonus would be it would kill most of the transportation means we use now, which are heavily polluting our air.
And as someone who as a borderline phobia of flying, but loves to travel, I would love the shit out of it.
ZT_63 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and the "getting your ass kicked by united airlines" part
crnext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ME THREE
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the fact you can go across the world in under 24 hrs is quite amazing.
akroe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you my dad? Because he's been saying that for years. There's loads of places he would like to see but he detests the journey. He wishes for a tele-timemachine like prof. Barabas has in Suske en Wiske (Spike and Suzy)
I want to visit Mars as much as anybody else but... I mean, there are so many places to visit here in Earth before seriously starting to think about space travel.
There'd be money to be made in the "slow travel" business if teleportation was the norm. If everyone could instantly travel to just about anywhere in the world there might be a market for folks who want to savor the journey.
"Winding Road, Inc.: Where getting there is half the fun."
Well teleportation is not just about tourism isn't. It'll literally change every other industry. Want food? Teleport it to your house. Business meetings? Directly hop into their offices. Hell, you could even work from home everyday. That would be awesome IMO.
If teleporting was a thing, that would benefit you too! Traveling would feel way less crowded and more open for people that love the travel, and everyone else can just get where they want to go.
I'm with you on this, I love the journey- looking out of the window on trains, aeroplanes and cars, watching unfamiliar landscapes roll by. I just wish it was more affordable! It's not teleportation I want, it's the freedom of low cost travel. If that could be achieved in my lifetime, I'd die happy.
The best part with the idea of teleportation is you could choose your travelling bits. Similarly, if we had teleportation I wouldn't teleport straight from my kitchen to work. I'd probably teleport to some point a 10 or 15 minute walk away and walk the rest of the way. Some commute is still valuable for decompressing before/after work. Similar thing with travel... I'd teleport to skip the transoceanic flights, but still do lots of walking and trains in between most likely. (if the rail industry hadn't been impaled by "cheap teleportation")
10+ hours on a plane isn't much of an experience. Just life wasted.
You can still have the experience of going to the teleport, checking in, making sure everything is in order, waiting to get through security (ever see a teleporter blow up? Messy), getting to your gate so that your teleport bay can be recalibrated to the next destination... then zappo. Now you're on the other side, time to queue up for border control, customs...
I think the key point here is cost > speed. Traveling across seas is incredibly expensive:( I don't mind the long flights, I mind the $2000+ I have to spend on a plane ticket.
If everyone who hates travel gets teleportation, your regular travel methods will get a lot less crowded.
bart9h ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For getting to know new places, the experience of travel is great indeed. But for some place you already know, and just want to came back there, it would be great to be able to teleport.
Also, there's the daily commute, or visiting relatives with the same old 5 hours road trip you already made a hundred times before.
-0-7-0- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know the most feasible method of teleportation involves ripping you apart and reconstructing you exactly the same elsewhere. Which is basically cloning so...
Not exactly. Let's assume you believe in the human soul, because otherwise their isn't a reason to be against it if your exact copy shares all of your memories and experiences. The spooky particles used in this form of teleportation copy literally every thing, including energies and data within the particles. Assuming the soul is manifest in anyway it too would be reconstructed. Is it a copy now? Has your previous soul departed for an afterlife? I want to see teleportation invented just so smarter people than me will really discuss this.
Edit: I'm sorry if I offended some people with the terminology I used. I'm not saying soul as in specifically the religious use (although I did bring up afterlife, I only brought it up as it's important to enough people to be worth mentioning), simply that it's something that exists that makes you "you." Someone disagreed with me and said "consciousness," but the point is the same. Don't downvote me just because the word soul offends your evangelicaly atheist sensibilities.
The concept of consciousness is the problem here. You don't need to believe in a supernatural "soul". Our consciousness exists, and it's tough to research.
It doesn't matter if the human that steps out of the other end of a teleporter has all your memories, experiences and is a perfect copy of yours in every other way too, if your consciousness is not in this body. This human would be a perfect copy of yours, even it's consciousness might be a perfect clone of yours ... but it would not be you, the person, the consciousness who reads this comment right now.
My idea on this is that there's some kind of continuity. You can swap out atoms and cells just fine, that doesn't disturb the flow of the greater whole, since it's used to this constant state of flux. It justs continues. But in the teleportation example this continuity is not only interrupted, it's one process that ends and another that begins. That's why I see it the way I do.
It's not the same consciousness that continues after the break, it's another one, albeit identical in every way.
This is called the teletransportation paradox and as far as I'm aware it's both unsolved and unsolvable... so we don't really know if your subjective experience carries through the teleportation or if the original "you" (that is, your original stream of consciousness) ceases only to be replaced by a new "you" who shares all of your memories and believes himself to be the old "you".
It's still you, but since it's impossible to transfer this you, you're dead and that you is alive.
Let's say we were able to perfectly replace half of one's body like Mecha Frieza in Dragon Ball Z. So you're split down the middle and each half of your body/brain is kept perfectly intact. Which half has your consciousness? Since the two halves no longer communicate, but are both undeniably you, you've just split into two distinct selves. Same thing, except in the teleporter scenario, one was obliterated.
Why would it be unsolvable? Any evidence of subjective experience in other people right now is already hard enough to come by, but it's still assumed of others. I'm not sure why it wouldn't simply apply to the You in a new location. It's not like that body has any different qualities.
Well, as you correctly point out we don't even KNOW for sure that your copy has subjective experience (or anyone, for that matter)... but we can assume that.
But that's not what I'm talking about, even if it does have subjective experience it's subjective experience might have begun the moment of teleportation while yours ended, permanently, at the same moment.
But that's not what I'm talking about, even if it does have subjective experience it's subjective experience might have begun the moment of teleportation while yours ended, permanently, at the same moment.
How is that any different, qualitatively, from moment-to-moment existence currently? Basically, what can we do to actually distinguish from the bolded portions for this clone and non-clone any more than myself now and five minutes ago?
I don't know. I'm not arguing one way or the other, I'm saying it's possible we can never know for sure.
Some people argue continuity of consciousness, and that we are still to some degree conscious even during sleep/anesthesia, but having our body (most importantly our brain) broken down into it's most fundamental constituents would end that, just like decomposition after death.
There are a lot of very interesting thought experiments about this topic. What if before you die of natural biological causes your EXACT brain pattern, to the last subatomic particle, is recorded and then reproduced a thousand years later... would it seem to you that you skipped forward in time, having no recollection of any experience after the recording was made but before your original death?
It's definitely an interesting thought experiment. Without any more information on consciousness it seems pretty impossible to advance one way or the other.
I'm not sure if I'd be up to using the teleporter, but probably more out of concern it's not as perfect as you'd need or expect it to be. It'd be interesting to see what sort of errors a body could tolerate (e.g. misplaced atom here and there, and so forth). I think from an identity/consciousness perspective I wouldn't mind.
This would be my prerequisite for using any teleportation. They would need to be able to quantify the "soul" (I guess the part that makes me different from a perfect functioning clone of me, if we both "are" we aren't the same "me")
Your point of the soul being manifested physically sounds like the preferred scenario that I would love to be the case, but I want the evidence for that and some precautions taken before I step through it.
What if the soul isn't manifested physically in our bodies? What if somehow there is a more metaphysical link between us (our brain et al), and our "being"? A link that could be "severed" when you are de-atomized, but only "pasted" at the other end.
I'm not saying there is such a link, but we don't know nearly enough about our brains and consciousness to say there isn't.
Those are my thoughts on the matter, too. If teleportation comes within my lifetime, I certainly won't be using it unless they can prove it won't kill me and create what is essentially a perfect replica. I've made it this far in life with conventional travel, so I'll be just fine not using teleporters.
we don't even really understand what makes you "you", in the sense that you experience your consciousness and not someone else. and since the newly constructed being would be you in every way, even if your consciousness became his and you ceased to be, how would you be able to test this? it's a real conundrum
Well I thought his issue with cloning was less the original copy existing, but rather the new one being a separate entity. I might have misinterpreted his point though.
My comment was just a slightly pedantic remark about the comparison to cloning, because interestingly enough in a quantum mechanical context this makes quite a difference.
Fuck that, those places are crowded enough with rude a-holes, right now as it is.
msg45f ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would have a hard time convincing me that the teleportation device didn't just kill the occupant and create an exact clone elsewhere. I don't think I would risk it.
(this was a bit tongue in cheek, I'm not sure where I stand on this but if you want to learn more look up the teletransportation paradox... it might not actually be death, and it might be impossible to ever know).
You can sugar coat it however you want, but teleportation means the death of the person entering such deconstruction process...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Raldo21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's a a gradual process that doesn't involve instant death. If all of your atoms are ripped apart, you die. Doesn't matter what happens to them after that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Raldo21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, in my mind, the answer to this boils down to the answer to two questions:
1. (to go along with your question) If you shed a skin cell, and then get a new one, do you die? (the answer obviously being "no.")
2. (my fear, here) If all of your atoms are ripped apart in a single moment, do you die? (I'd argue "yes," here, ignoring what happens later, for a moment)
So now that you're presumably dead, I'm not sure it matters if those atoms are reassembled perfectly somewhere. I think it'd just be a perfect copy of you. I still think the original is dead.
The key is truly in consciousness. The brain is one part of the body that does not replace itself over time, and it contains all that makes you yourself: primarily, memories. If teleported, you would be ripped to shreds entirely (yes, killed) and rebuilt on the other end. And even if that copy is a perfect clone of the original that looks and acts exactly the same, it still is a copy. To anyone else, there is no change, and in fact the clone thinks there is nothing wrong at all. But your consciousness is dead to you and you alone, replaced by an organic robot that truly, deeply believes it is you, and will therefore have the very same fate occur to it on the trip back home.
I say it would have to be death and rebirth? This gets pretty physiological. There is also the idea of creating a "tear" or "warp" in space time, where an object could move great distance using the "warp"
The facts are, information is mass-less, and can achieve much faster speeds than something with mass. But teleportation isn't MOVING, it's being in one place and then being in another, instantly.
I'm not sure how you think this relates to what I said... did you reply to the wrong person?
Also, you're wrong. According to everything we currently know even information cannot travel faster than the speed of light despite being mass-less. (of course I'm being pedantic about your use of the word instantly... perhaps you didn't mean to imply this...)
I might have been too vague there, but it was indeed addressed to you. I was implying that tele=death thing was only if you didn't teleport, but instead cloned yourself in a new location and killed the original. That process is NOT teleportation, it's cloning yourself.... at a different location...... and killing yourself..... You're the one who doesn't understand my friend. Think nightcrawler from X-men. He doesn't throw clones around and suicide like a Meseek from RnM. He changes location and ignores laws of physics. I'm not saying we can ignore them, but a workaround must be possible at some point.
I can't stress this enough, teleportation is changing location without moving. No clones, no information transfer, no construction or deconstruction. Stand still, push button, you are now in Italy. No breakdown of molecules or atoms. You are somewhere, then the same YOU is somewhere new. Like a wormhole, but quicker.
If this doesn't make sense with science, then we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle. Or it might never work, but saying "it will NEVER work" is the most ignorant thing ever.
I would agree. Improvements in VR such that it is almost as good as the real thing are much more feasible. In many ways, the VR experience will be even better, such as being able to climb up the walls and ceilings of the Sistine Chapel and La Sagrada Familia to look around.
Have you tried the current VR? I haven't, but the reviews sound pretty awesome so far. And it's only getting better. I read a story about a guy who showed his dad the VR of flying through space and the dad cried because he had wanted to be an astronaut since he was a kid. While I agree and, therefore, specifically said it would be only "almost as good as the real thing," that story is just one example of how it will also be better than the real thing. We won't be able to fly through space like that in our lifetimes. And if we could, it wouldn't be at speeds where we'd be able to see several different planets in anything less than the time span of months, much less minutes.
I still don't see how you could possibly consider it better than going to these places unless you've never been or you've never been anywhere that you wanted to go.
VR is cool, but fairly gimmicky and it will never replace some things.
I think you're dead wrong. Just wait until VR gets good enough and popular. The tech will shoot up to the sky.
Aeikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I own a Vive. It is the furthest thing from a gimmick that you can get. When are in it you are there. You have completed spatial awareness, and it's very easy to forget you are in a room.
The only drawbacks is you are in a room, so you can't wonder around freely. Virtual smell and touch are also lacking, but there has been experiments in it. It's only a matter of time.
I think you are missing the point. Of course the in-person experience is better in so many ways. However, you have to admit that visiting in person would not allow you to climb the walls of the Sistine Chapel to inspect the details of the paintings or look around the chapel from different perspectives. So maybe the overall experience is better in person, but if a person is handicapped, bed-ridden, has poor vision, is fascinated by the details of the artwork, etc etc et-fucking-c, then they and others may actually consider the VR experience to be better.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With this attitude it's no wonder the human race has made any progress at all.
Excuse me for wanting us to develop clean energy and better, cheaper medicine before pissing about with lazy man's tourism.
There is genuinely no way for us to properly experience something like the Sistine Chapel etc without going there in person or as a brain in a vat, which is sci-fi bollocks and will be for generations. I could only see this being useful for disabled people, which is of course fantastic, but you can't get the real experience without going there, and it's hardly going to be a cheaper option anyway.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making such an absolute statement doesn't help at all. There's no way, YET. or there's no way, THAT YOU KNOW OF. or, there's no way, YOU CAN IMAGINE.
That seems like a pretty bold claim; how can you possibly know where VR technology will be in the future. It seems plausible that one day we could have VR that's indistinguishable from reality
Yeah, if all you want to do is look at said monument and leave, VR would be much better). Basically, just wait for Ubisoft to port all of its Assassin Creed titles to a VR headset and you're good to go.
The recording would require massive improvements in sensor tech though. I love the idea of VR/AR, but right now it's sound and sight. btw I know everyone that says AR means their crap demos of making things appear that are not there, but I mean I want smell, but maybe not the smell of the place I'm visiting. What about taste? What about touch?
VR with full haptic response suits with the ability to transmit feelings of texture and pressure, temperature, tactile sensations. even without smell and taste it would be a tremendous experience.
My current theory, or my version of the Fermi Paradox, is that all sufficiently advanced civilizations develop reality-parity VR, and the false world of VR is so preferable, that birth rates plummet and populations go into a death spiral where even those few that continue to enjoy living outside of VR find it to be a depressing reality from which they choose to escape.
I'd be willing to sail, fly, or ride to those places. What I want teleportation for is to skip the commute to work. I'd have to take a lot of vacations for vacation-teleportation to equal work commute time.
In your lifetime? Not likely. Also not sure how you plan to teleport without cloning. A localized 5-dimensional hole in spacetime used for personal travel seems a bit much.
sbarto ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to be able to teleport from the couch to the bathroom and back. Without having to get up.
I'd just use it to get to and from work every day. I'd probably still find a way to barely get there on time, but I'd instantly gain an hours sleep. So that's pretty good.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War will never be the same.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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I was trying to think of a way of saying exactly this. Spot on, though I would say there's something valuable even in the tedium of your daily commute.
In the most non-aggressive, non-insulting way possible, I don't care that you want the 21 hour car ride, eating fast food and crappy dinner foods, having to poop in dumpy rest stops, and being cramped in your car's seat for 6 hour intervals. I don't care for the crap I have to go through to get to the place I want to go to. Being sore and tired and crabby isn't going to enhance my experience at all. There is no contrast, no comparison. Its just, "wow I hated that. Oh hey! The thing I wanted to see!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you imagine how packed those places would be?
This is one that I think, if it were discovered, would never be revealed. It would dramatically change every aspect of life. Disallowing for governments to control much of anything.
bg1987 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:44:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not only that, imagine what would this do to pretty much any industry.
so much cost is involved in shipping would be gone, factory in china, warehouse in india, with teleport to any country for delivery.
If teleportation, even if just for non living objects, is invented I the world will never be the same.
How does that work? Your cells are the original same ones.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The central idea is that when you refer to yourself, you're not talking about your individual cells, molecules or atoms; you're actually referring to your consciousness, which is just a feature that emerges from the pattern of said cells/molecules/atoms. Even w/o teleportation, those individual components are constantly being replaced and phased out, but the pattern persists.
Thus, the only meaningful concept of death is the interruption of that consciousness, whether it be teleportation, sleep, or being knocked out.
I don't think that period of absent of consciousness (eg. sleep) matters. The link to your before sleep self is still there, unless it's a long enough coma that every cell and atom of your brain is replaced with new ones, and also your subconsciousness is at 0 work during that time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That leads into a Ship of Theseus problem, where you have trouble determining where 'you' stop existing, and the other being begins. I'm guessing you assume it's when 100% of your physical composition is turned over; other argue even one incremental change. If you imagine a ship made of 100 planks, and 99 of them are replaced, would you call it that same ship as before? Is that single plank enough?
Our brain, and the emergent consciousness are both incrementally changing every moment, asleep or awake. Those back to back changes make sense as a single 'you' when you're actively conscious and awake, since you experience psychological continuity.
I don't think the ship problem carries to this. Of course my cells and atoms get replaced with new ones over time, that doesn't mean that my consciousness would slowly get changed too until it would be something that it wasn't in the beginning (not the original me)
In teleportation my old self is instantly effectively destroyed and new one created, that clearly breaks the chain of continuity of my original being.
The problem, I'd venture to guess, is that the kind of cell deconstruction and reconstruction you'd get with teleportation would literally kill you, or at least the "original" you and spit out a totally different person by the end. I think we'd have to also have a way of uploading your consciousness onto a separate drive whilst teleporting in order to preserve it.
That's a specific type, and the most feasible RIGHT NOW. I'm not talking about deconstruction, I'm talking about instantaneous translocation, true teleportation.
Creath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I wouldn't have a problem with cloning/reproduction if I retain 100% of my brain-state.
This is literally the worst way to travel. Better, safer, and easier solution would be to make something approximating a holodeck (although probably without tactile response). That way you could see those items if that's all you care about.
Well, it's not figuratively the worst way to travel.
How about, "This is absolutely the worst way to travel." Do you like that better?
And the issue is not the mode of transport. It's the objective of travel. There is genuinely no reason to just go and see the Eiffel tower.
If you're going to try to see all of these within a few hours then you may as well avoid going to see them altogether. Because I mean what is the point.
What is the point.... hmm. What's the point of seeing the Eiffel Tower... well DUH. It's the plane ride over, stupid! You know that baby crying for 4 hours straight because the altitude is messing with his ears? THATS what I went to that pair's place or whatever, to see that eyefull tower. Sure it's big and tall I think, but remember the crying child and the man coughing in your face the whole flight?! Hell yeah!
You understand nothing about monuments, and the wonderment behind them, you romanticize TRAVEL, not sightseeing.
You should go to Paris to see and experience Paris, not just arrive, look at the tower, and zoom off. Same with Stonehenge, etc. There is no point in just going somewhere, looking at a famous landmark you've already seen a million times before in pictures, paintings, TV. It's like the people who go to the Louvre just to see the Mona Lisa and take a picture of it. The pictures that exist of the Mona Lisa are better than any picture you're going to take. You're unlikely to be able to get that close to the painting anyway.
That is the sort of travel I have an issue with, the "let's get this off the checklist just to say we've seen it in person" sort of traveling.
Yes, the actual travel to places sucks I'll agree with that.
You understand nothing about monuments, and the wonderment behind them, you romanticize TRAVEL, not sightseeing.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that I personally am romanticizing travel when sightseeing is better or something? I'm not sure I understand you.
I will say this: I have done traveling where I did sightseeing and travel where I did not, and travel when you don't try to sightsee is far better. Yes, it's good to take in the sights, but the Eiffel tower is far from the best thing to see in Paris. However you might arrive at Paris, the last thing you should do once there is zip off to the next location.
My favorite experiences in Paris:
The neighborhood of Montmartre, Sacre Coeur, and the markets around it
The Picasso Museum
The Centre Pompidou
Musรฉe dโOrsay
Marche aux Puces ("The Flea Market")
We did walk near the Eiffel Tower. We didn't make it to the Louvre. And of course, the food. If you're not going to have at least 2-3 meals while in Paris I don't even see the point.
The difference here is that you are telling me how to have fun, which in turn, ruins the fun. You have to understand that your brain is your own, and other people are free to enjoy what they want, how they want and when they want. Nobody is wrong.
I took a motorcycle trip halfway across the country. I hated every single highway mile UNTIL I got there. Riding through the mountains was the most surreal, breathtaking, awe-striking experience of my life. But getting there was Hell, AND I had to ride back. The horrible ride there did not make me appreciate the mountains any more or less.
My brain compartmentalizes experiences differently than others. I disliked the ride. End of thought process. I loved riding through the mountains! Seperate thoughts, one does not Venn diagram into the other. I do not appreciate the mountains more because of the anguish I went through. And if I could go RIGHT NOW, and every day after work with a quick teleport, I would! And I know I would love it.
I get what you mean, general things to do to improve your experience there and making the most of your time, but I would LOVE to shake the, "I have a limited time!" feeling and enjoy what I want at my own pace. If I missed something? I go back TONIGHT or tomorrow afternoon.
Fair enough. It may have just been the focus on very specific iconic landmarks. For me, I love having experiences at the destination.
And again I think I didn't make myself entirely clear. It's not the mode of transportation I have an issue with. It's the zipping somewhere and looking at a very generic landmark and then zooming on to the next stop. There are people who do that as soon as they get to a city: within the span of one day they travel from landmark to landmark, getting at most a few minutes to appreciate it. They get checklist oriented rather than soaking in wherever they are.
I hate a lot of the point A to point B stuff too.
I also hate the "limited time" feeling and in fact that was what I felt when you talked about visiting a number of landmarks all within the same few hours. I'd want a day at least for each of these.
RcNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the crowds at these places. Even if you got there quickly it takes hours to actually see the "thing" you went to see.
RcNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on the cost, it would help cut down on a lot of grid lock and traffic pollution. Live by the <your favourite place> and work at <location of work>.
Even it was the price of a flight, I wouldn't need to wait 2 days traveling for one day of meetings.
This, we could make it like a phone in your home. We could eliminate travel costs to the environment easily. You'd never be late for work cause of traffic. You could go the grocery and just walk into your house when you leave. Teleportation could be one of the most impactful advances to humans ever conceived if we could get it to work.
Google is not arbiter of all knowledge. Neither is the dictionary. When it comes to sci-fi like teleportation, you need to clone the quantum state of a large collection of particles somewhere else. The only way to do this is to destroy the original configuration.
If you lock your brain in a cage, then the cool ideas and thoughts are out of reach.
"When it comes to sci-fi like teleportation, you NEED TO..." shut up with that logic. Just because 'clone-a-portation' is the most feasible, logical choice does NOT mean it is the only possible way, now and always until the end of time.
And to quote you again, "the only way to do this" holy God! This person has tried EVERY SINGLE POSSIBILITY regarding teleportation!!!? Unless you have tried literary everything, don't 'matter of factly' make outrageous claims.
Also while Google isn't the arbiter of all knowledge, it does a great job of listing definitions. You know, that thing you said about teleportation's definition being "by definition" clone-a-portation, instead of the actual one? Then you got the balls to then belittle the hard evidence against your bogus claim.
X-men is sci-fi, yet night crawler teleports. Are you telling me that Night Crawler dies every time he teleports?
I was getting at the "you NEED to clone a quantum state" part. You were telling me there was only one specific way. I only mentioned sci-fi in the quote so that you'd have enough context to understand I was quoting you.. funny that this is all you had to say though. :/
I don't use the word "impossible" a whole lot, but I can tell you for certain that this isn't going to happen in our lifetime and it's almost definitely impossible.
My point is time travel is theoretically possible but not realistically possible (and I'm not talking about time dilated travel due to traveling near light speeds).
Teleportation, however, isn't possible because every type requires you to make a copy of the original person at the new location. So while it's the "same" to the outside observer, it's not actually the same person as the same person is actually still at the original spot (unless you have destroyed said person by then).
This is called destructive reconstruction and it's the primary problem with teleportation.
Why do most people in this thread think that teleportation is the deconstruction/clone trope?
Bottom line, teleportation is moving X from point A to point B before ANY amount of time has passed. Instantaneous movement over great distances.
I do not know scientifically how this could be done, but I made a guess in one of my replies, which was basically; overcharge X with so much power that (safely) pushes X out of space-time, then translocate X anywhere. Then some process to let X back into space-time, like a weakened area of space-time; a return pad, to safely finish the process.
Not the most common, CLONES!!
I dub that line of logic, Clone-aportation.
Cause physics and information theory says that isn't even realistically possible.
The only method that allows you to travel great distances without using massive amounts of resources (in the case of near-light speeds) or time are wormholes, and wormholes themselves are theoretical, much less actually being able to travel through them or control their entry and exit points.
Stargate (the movie and show) used artificial wormholes. In that show, your molecules were broken down and sent across as energy and the instructions on how to reconstruct you (your "pattern") was sent as an EM signal of sorts. The problem with that is the system still required the basic principles of data transmission to be adhered to.
One of those principles is that it's impossible to create a channel that is 100% loss-less (completely energy efficient) due to the laws of thermodynamics. Energy gets lost. In this case, an EM signal's (wave) energy deteriorates, so information (which is carried in the size, shape, and modulation of the wave, or the exact pattern of the wave) gets lost along the way. There are some very ingenious error correction methods that alleviate most of this problem but it's not perfect. Sometimes you have to request that the signal be resent. So to ensure this data packet is not lost forever, you never actually send the original you send a copy. Well once the correct copy gets to the destination, the original gets destroyed.
Even in Stargate, you end up with the same problem. The requirement of using constructive deconstruction for all the parts that make you up (including your "pattern). This doesn't even touch on the fact that due to the laws of thermodynamics, you wouldn't be able to retrieve 100% of the molecules that make you up because some of the energy would be lost in transmission to heat (entropy). So you'd end up at the other end with part of you missing.
Only "natural" wormholes would allow you to move through space-time at near instantaneous rates. But you'd have zero control of the stability, opening, and entry points for them. Therefore, you could go through them, but you could end up dying in them due to stability issues.
At the end of the day, physics says it's impossible to teleport YOU. Now it can "teleport" a replica of you. Then that falls to the philosophical question of "is it still 'you' "? To the outside observer, as long as they're not told the new one is a copy, yes it's still you. To you, however, no; it's a different person.
"The only method" this statement irks me, because it implies that you, or someone else has tested EVERY other possible method. Based on what we know right now, the only method... is a much better way to communicate what you probably meant.
I know that known laws of the universe can completely rule out a vast majority of possible methods, but those laws might not operate exactly how we think they do, or not fully understand them to their full potential. We know so much about our universe, we know things that if you explained it to people 300 years ago, you would have been killed in the streets and branded a heretic.
So Mr. Physics background, you're telling me that when something hits Law status, that means humanity has, by the absolute definition, MASTERED in its entirely, and thus know ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING there is to know about said subject with NO exceptions? I'm sorry Mr condescending, but I refuse to believe we know everything there is to know on subjects as complex as teleportation, or the physics and quantum mechanics needed to make it all work.
You are telling me, we know EVERYTHING there is to know in those fields, and I can't accept that. There is always room to learn something new or discover.
A great quote I heard yesterday was "Imagine the intelligence of the average person. Now realize half of all people are stupider than that."
Wish people wouldn't open their mouths if they don't know what they're talking about.
I wish people would just say "I don't know" more often. Being ignorant is perfectly reasonable. Nobody knows everything. But opening your mouth to say you know better when you don't even have a basic understanding is just fucking annoying.
The latter is pretty much 99% of people on the internet.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:55 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also clearly stated the scientific reasoning why there is only one method and why it isn't real teleportation. I then went on and used a TV show that tailed on wormholes and still explained why even that show's premise still used destructive reconstruction.
You're just refusing to accept my answer. At that point you're either crazy or incredibly stupid.
You can't ever "instantaneously" move anything a large distance because that still takes time. Even if you moved at the speed of light, YOU the traveler, would still take time to move said distance. To everyone else it would appear you moved instantaneously but you would have still aged.
I excluded that initially because accelerating your body to the speed of light would not only kill you before you even got within 0.0001% of the speed of light but also because reaching the speed of light would take more energy than exists in the entire universe.
Most scifi shows get past the speed of light barrier by using a made up alternate dimension called "subspace". Alternate dimensions don't exist. They aren't even theoretically possible. They are just a plot tool for TV writers to get around the limits of physics.
And please don't confuse alternate dimensions with alternate (parallel) universes because that falls under the multi-verse theory which is theoretically possible.
Want to prove me wrong? Go spend 8 years in school getting a PhD in physics then a lifetime trying to prove you're right. Otherwise, shut up and accept my answer.
Nah, I've got no reason to believe and obey you. You might know everything we know about physics that we as a species know RIGHT NOW, but just admit that discoveries happen, and new information can come onto the picture in groundbreaking ways.
There is no KNOWN way to move something truly instantaneously RIGHT NOW. If you tell me that this statement is false or that we could never do it, you aren't a scientist, an academic, or someone worth talking to. It might be VERY unlikely by all accounts, but never impossible.
A theory becomes law when it is proved that it applies everywhere.
Most are theories because proving them to be laws is next to impossible. However, the laws of physics arelaws. Newtons principles are laws. The three main principles of thermodynamics are laws.
Do the laws of thermodynamics apply in a space beyond space time? What about an 11 dimensional plane? The answer is YOU DON'T KNOW. Those LAWS apply to what we know. They will always work and be true in our comfort zone, aka our 3 dimensional reality, but what about in a different universe? You don't know. We could jump UNIVERSES and come back to our own to complete the teleport process. You don't have all the answers, and you're acting like you do.
Your professors would be ashamed of you if they saw this narrow minded side of yourself.
That's multi-verse theory you idiot. I already went through that above.
And no, if you went to a different universe, your spacial coordinates WOULD NOT CHANGE (scifi shows such as Stargate, have actually gone through that idea, accurately). Teleportation in the scheme you're imagining it is a movement in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd dimensions (x,y,z) aka space. Multi-verse are higher dimensions just like time is the 4th dimension and "teleporting" (i.e. jumping around) on the 4th dimension is better known as time travel. Moving in each dimension, requires a separate engine. To move in 3 dimensions in space, you need at least 3 engines. The only special part about the first 3 is that they're all spacial dimensions so they utilize the same kind of engine. The rest of the dimensions would utilize different engine designs.
I mean seriously. You don't know much about math or physics do you?
Please go actually research these topics and get some basic courses under your belt before you spout off your mouth claiming someone who knows physics doesn't know what he's talking about.
I would never ever ever ever voluntarily be teleported. How many people would be trying to hack those system just for the lulz/how many times would they just up and fuck up? I don't know but enough that the risk of becoming one with the ether would be enough to make me take the chance with flying.
I have a hard enough time getting letters from one city to another safely, why would any sane person agree to be dematerialized and then reconstructed somewhere else?
There might be a word for de- to re-construction over great distances, but that by NO means explains or describes teleportation in any way.
To teleport is to have your body moved with 0 time passing, usually over great distances. There's nothing about ripping you apart and re-assembling them that resonates with teleportation. If anything, what you're suggesting is, backwards engineering.
eqleriq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the philip k. dick story where people "teleported" to mars (haha j/k it just vaporized them)
schplat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit. Give me that for just getting to work and home. If I could get that 1-2 hours back per day.. Say an average of 7h/w * 50w/y, that's 350 hours/year alone... Just short of 15 DAYS of time I would get back each year.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
low cost teleportation
Shit. I just realized that even if teleportation does become available, it is probably going to cost metric fuckton. We aren't even close to having teleportation yet. It will be decades at least. And then it will probably be decades after that until it is cheap. I don't think I'll be alive by then :(
The applications of this are so much wider. Crammed populated areas could spread out and still teleport to work. Live in plains of Kansas and zip up to NYC for work. Get supplies to places more easily, like fresh water and food.
I think a more likely scenario is bridging the organic/digital divide, allowing for uploading/networking of individuals the way we do currently with machines. In that case you wouldn't need to actually transport a physical body to a location. Perhaps in the future actual bodies will stay in a certain locale and you'll just "rent" one out by uploading to it for a bit. Bodies of different aptitude (physical fitness, skills, etc) might come at a premium, so you can do certain activities that might not be possible in a "lesser" vessel. Just a thought.
I don't know man, I can't get past how you would confirm you are the same person -or at least the same consciousness.
Like if you accidentally were just making a copy with the same memory and identical in every way, but with a separate consciousness, there would be no way to know... Not knowing if I was the same person would keep me up at night
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people who've spent time pondering that believe that the same kind of 'death' occurs when you fall asleep or go unconscious. Each of those breaks in continuity is effectively your consciousness being erased and replaced with another one at the next reboot.
The teleportation pads would have to receive you, and not be constructing ANYTHING. Like, light speed flash you and carefully decelerate you, but faster than light. Like the pad is ALWAYS on, because instant can come at any time. If the machines CONSTRUCT, they are evil.
That would be great but when you think about it, its pretty amazing how fast you can get places these day. You can get to pretty much any city on the planet in less then 24 hours. 100 years ago just getting across the Atlantic was a two week ordeal.
I travel to Japan on a semi regular basis and it always blows my mind that I can eat breakfast in Minneapolis and dinner in Tokyo on the same day.
I would be extremely sad if, in an ideal universe even centuries from now, this becomes a viable consumerist option. Life's about the journey, not planned events.
What if I told you, the journey is life and the planned event was death?
I don't care that I waited in lines at the airport for 3 hours and made no human connection with equally angry people, had to listen to crying children kneeding my back with their knees digging into the seatback of the airplane chairs. That is an experience I would love to forget and is useless as a story.
I wanna see all the stuff I can, while I still can.
On one hand cool places are already way over crowded, this would certainly make for a nightmarish scene of overcrowding at any legit monument to see. On the other hand it could also mean people could live anywhere and instantly commute to work, meaning population dense areas might not need to exist anymore.
That would cause so much trouble on border control, that it would takes years to be regulated.
I'd settle for short range teleport.
Over 2 hour of commute per day is lots of time wasted that I'll never get back.
ds612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the very definition of low cost teleportation is harming the occupant of the "from" machine and after making a copy of the occupant in the "to" machine. You know....like that one nolan movie.
Would fall under my "no harm or cloning to occupant" rule. I define teleportation as moving someone or something great distances instantaneously with no damage or cloning to the teleported person/object.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then you get people who teleport into bank vaults, and security for anything anywhere becomes completely and utterly useless. Somebody can teleport into the middle of the UN with a nuke.
You mean instead of going through the justice system and spending time behind bars I can expect a bullet to the head? In that case, sign me up! /s
In all seriousness, getting shitfaced is not how you win a revolution. That comes afterwards.
During a riot you'll have to be very attentive to things going on around you and judge wisely, as your physical well-beeing or even life is in danger, and drugs impair that. While adrenaline does sober you up considerably, I'd rather stay focused and attentive to my surroundings to make the right decisions and maximize my chances of not dieing. A few bruises and breaths of pepper spray are to be expected, anyway - but maybe a few less when sober.
We aren't part of the revolution so we are leaving the action to go smoke weed where there is little to no action and lots of safety. We'll be fine no cops for miles.
I know, right? Those greedy bastards built and expanded the data network that enabled the information age. But they''re just not making it faster fast enough. The obvious solution is to reward them by stealing it and sending them to the firing squad.
The US government created the basic infrastructure.
Those greedy bastards are the ones that piped that shit to your house. Without them, nobody outside government and academics would give a shit about the internet. Fuck them for delivering a product so impressive and revolutionary to the masses that you now want to kill them for not doing it cheap and fast enough for your liking.
comyuse ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck them for holding monopolies and overcharging for some of the worst internet in the developed world. if you are defending ISPs then you must be ignorant about them or shilling for them.
Monopolies in the ISP business exist because of some issue with the possibility of redundant infrastructure. So, municialities grant a franchise license to a single entity to provide the service, lest you end up with two or more times the wires running everywhere. However, I happen to have junctions at my house for two different cable companies (neither is Comcast) and I could get DSL, satellite, or just tether. Obviously each of these has comparative strengths and weaknesses. The point is that these monopolies are created by regulations as much as regulations could prevent them.
Overcharging? Dunno. I get 100 Mbps service for $60 a month. I don't feel like I'm being fucked. Maybe your service is shit or more expensive. Maybe you're just like everyone else and would prefer to pay less for something you like, but you're part of a subset whining because you demand that something cost less for no other reason than you just want it for less. Even if it was free you'd start bitching about something too, I'm sure. Oh it's too slow because my GoT buffers or my Dota lags or some shit. Your cat pissed on the modem and now you want a free replacement. Or you have a right to internet so goddamn it, other people just gotta suck it up and give it to you.
I'm not a shill or defending ISPs. Comcast sucks. Their customer service is shit. Their marketing and packaging strategy is shit. They're more expensive than what I have now. But you know what, when I was on Comcast, the speeds were fast, the tech that installed it fixed the fucked up wiring in my apartment (some dumb fuck daisy-chained the splitters from one room to the next), and it rarely had an outage.
What I am doing is remarking about how many people seem to be petulant children whining about wanting candy in the grocery store aisle. Having a temper tantrum that lasts until they're big enough to recruit other petulant whiners so they can use the power of democracy to scream "NOW we want our fucking candy!" Fuck off.
You... you know we paid them to do that right? It wasn't charity out of the goodness of their hearts.
There's huge chunks of money the government gave them that is still unaccounted for.
When communities can set up their own internet that is ten times faster but still cheaper than a company who's sole purpose is just that, there's something shady going on.
It's hilarious. I'm from south Africa and a brand new fiber system is shaping up to potentially be cheaper because it's been made law that the fiber lines themselves can't be "owned" which makes our existing near monopoly unable to limit it
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet people exercise greed rather than changing the world, this I will never understand.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have wealth it means you can get gigabit connection speeds. And if you can have gigabit connections speeds, isn't that all that matters, really?
dfnkt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if you have faster internet you can download ram faster and more ram = more money.
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The answer in Australia is that our politicians don't understand technology and refused to listen to experts. The win of trashing the solution proffered by the other side was more important than a national infrastructure project being fit for purpose.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:45:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you only have 500 people is probably why it was so easy to roll out there. Which ISP is it?
Isn't Australia virtually cut in half in terms of internet connectivity? One of my Australian friends said that everything between East and West has to go through shitty phone lines. I doubt it but then again I've never seen Australia's government on top of things.
TBF, the Australian government realized their internet was shite a while ago and started the National Broadband Network program to lay down a country wide fiber optic network. As you might expect it was massively expensive but in the end it would have been worth it.
Unfortunately the NBN would have competed with ISP's owned by people like Rupert Murdoch, who also owned a bunch of news outlets in Australia and he instructed them to organize a massive news campaign against the NBN, saying it was too expensive for too little benefit and that the current network (which he owned BTW) was fine with a few upgrades. Old people then voted the other side into power and they promptly gutted the NBN.
Sounds like /u/Avarian_Walrus is one of the lucky few who got the NBN before it got kneecapped due to political interests.
You make me envious. I only get 25 megabits and it fibre to the node :( fuck our government honestly. They're only occupied with keeping their jobs rather than making beneficial changes to infrastructure and the economy.
I can't fathom why its not everywhere if I have it.
Probably because it's very easy to access the infrastructure and lay lines. Now imagine doing gigabit internet across the entirety of NYC, 5 bouroughs, and Long Island.
It would cost billions, and take years, if the infrastructure isn't already in place, which it isn't in many parts
Of course, I'm just a redditor bored at work so someone correct me if I'm wrong here
I doubt there is much interest in that. It just puts me in a position to confirm the reasons that smaller towns are much cheaper and easier to upgrade than large, dense metropolitan areas.
Example;
Let say you want to build a fiber to the home network (FTTH) you need to put a device on the side of the house, to send/receive the fiber signals, and translate it to stuff in your house. Let's say these cost $100 (for ease of math only). If you have 500 houses in your town, it will cost you $50,000 for JUST that part. Not counting any other equipment or infrastructure. Now, let's say you have 500,000 houses in a major city. That's $50,000,000 JUST for the side of the house interface. And none of this takes into account any of the infrastructure needed to feed those houses, which grow exponentially at scale. And by the time you stage out a build over a large area, you are 5-10 years behind technology in the first areas, by the time you finish. You can't build a large system as fast as technology is improving. When you can do your entire small town in 6-18 months, it's far easier to have the system in place before technology outstrips itself and forces retrofit and upgrade.
So, it's easy to see that a community of 500 people might form a municipal cable system of their own, and have some bad ass fiber connections for a decently inexpensive price (still millions of dollars at the end of the day, but a fraction of the cost to do so for larger populations.)
I hate this countries politicians. They're just preoccupied with becoming, and keeping to job of being, Prime Minister. Of you fix my internet I'll vote for you until I die.
My apologies fellow American! My question was due to an article i read about 1 Gb/sec Internet speeds in Chattanooga. I know very little about your home, unfortunately.
Can't really blame you for not knowing much beyond the bit of publicity we got. We're not that big a city.
Actually, we have 10 Gbps internet service available now, to residential customers. That's a fair bit more expensive though, and way more than anyone needs (for now).
I like our utility. It's a poster child for how internet service should work. Shame Comcast finally bribed convinced a judge to stop them expanding their service area.
eqleriq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure it has something to do with the bandwidth for 500 people not being the same as the bandwidth for a 4,000,000 people metropolis
lucb1e ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fiber is good over long distances. Wikipedia:
As of 2005, data rates of up to 10 gigabits per second were possible at distances of over 80 km
Article about ADSL:
25.0 Mbit/s at 0.3 km
24.0 Mbit/s at 0.6 km
[...]
1.5 Mbit/s at 5.2 km
Edit: Got interested and read some more. Turns out coax cable also runs over a long distance:
cable Internet systems can typically operate where the distance between the modem and the termination system is up to 160 kilometres
Who knew! Fiber was always advertised to me as being good for long distances (besides the high speed). Then again, the fiber article does mention this:
By using optical amplifiers and dispersion-compensating devices, state-of-the-art DWDM optical systems can span thousands of kilometers at 10 Gbit/s, and several hundred kilometers at 40 Gbit/s.[citation needed]
So perhaps it's only better than ADSL (in distance) and not better than coax cable? Idk. Anyway, I still don't think they do it just because they can.
You probably had the shittiest broadband for decades. I imagine they rebuilt your broadband system because it was going to fall down. When they rebuilt it, you got the bells and whistles.
Watch, if your kids grow up in that town they will still have the shitty Gig that you now have. And you sill say, "'member when we got this internet. It was good enough for me in 2017...."
All in the voice of the pervert old man on Family Guy.
Living in a 2500 person town in Germany and have a 50k line since end of last year. Before that it was just 1k.
Regarding internet infrastucture Germany is as much a backwater as any 3rd world country.
Hell I had a better connection on Boa Vista that doesn't even have a medium sized airport. (There's McDonalds that are bigger)
small cities often get fast internet first, because its cheaper to put in the ground, in a big city you have to stop trafic and its much bigger scale. Thats a reason i heard like 2-5 years ago.
I have 100Mb and I personally think that's disgustingly fast. I can download games on steam pretty damn fast compared to previously when I used to have to wait hours to play a new triple a game. I'm pretty ok with that.
I also live in a rural area in the south(east) and we have fiber internet now with close to 1 gig speeds. (Averages about 750mbps) Granted, it costs a ton, but its fucking insane how fast things go compared to other internet connections.
The CIA is probably operating out of all of your neighbours houses. They are probably watching you right now. If you are in danger tell reddit now it's your only hope...
Because it's easier to build out to a low-population area first as a testbed
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you need a better imagination or to think harder? Iโm sure you can fathom it. Give it a try.
zzyul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because not enough people want it or would be willing to pay for it.
Imagine that you're on a road trip with 9 friends and a bus driver. Everyone is hungry. You all agree that hamburgers sound good. You find out that a city you're about to pass through has one of the best burger restaurants in the country. You tell your friends and two are really excited to go there but the other 7 think it will take too long and they don't want to make 2 stops and McDonald's will work because they aren't really that hungry and it's what they have all the time. If the majority of people wanted fancy burgers the bus driver would take you there, but for him and the group it's easier to just go to McDonald's.
I finally just got it from Verizon in the NYC metro area, cost me about $90-100 /month for "up to" 980 Mbps down and 860 Mbps up. When downloading stuff off of Usenet I see anywhere from 160 Mbps to a max of 800 Mbps, usually averaging around 400-450 Mbps.
The simple reason why it's not everywhere is because the big ISPs don't think you want it/need it and they would rather price gouge you instead of spending millions to upgrade their infrastructure. Seriously, the FCC's Tom Wheeler has gone on record stating "people don't need more than 25 Mbps" when the minimum speed to be considered broadband was going to be changed from 4 Mbps to 25 Mbps. Back in 2013 Comcast and TimeWarner both said that there is no demand for gigabit internet, meanwhile offering $50 giftcards to anyone that ratted out Google trying to push their way into their cities.
My 2000 person town in north georgia has one available provider (Windstream) that sucks so much it's legally considered a prostitute. Takes about 45 seconds to load a webpage, and I can only watch shit on 144p
Hell, I'd just like internet speeds like you Northern Hemisphere fellas have. Here in South Africa I get like 3Mbps down and 1 up. On a good day.
Hearing the people on /r/Overwatch complain about 70 ping when we think of 250 as perfectly fine.
Our cellular 3G is usually faster than WiFi.
Count your blessings.
Like I say, we make it work. I have the odd friend with (to us) really good internet who gets 120. I've played with up to 500-600 before. Torb and Junkrat only though. There was a point where I was hitting 1000 ping. Imagine the whole enemy team moves like Tracer... that's what it was like.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:34:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Compared to the 56k modem I had back in 1995 we are living that dream today. We once had to wait a whole hour to download a decent 1 minute long porno clip! On today's speeds I don't even know what to do with all the extra bandwidth.
Pigmy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just got fiber installed a few weeks ago. It was the first time I really experienced first world problems. It took longer to allocate space on my drive than it did to download a game from steam and the download was so fast I barely got to see the big number.
I've since tested it and this speed is abit higher than average but still pretty close to what I see if I get very large files and it has time to ramp up. When its a small file it starts at 30ish and tapers off around 50 before its done.
How is the internet not currently disgustingly fast? My 56k modem gave me like 2.6kbps, it would take like an hour to download 1 mp3. Now I can download thousands of mp3s in that time.
Can someone explain to me the advantages of having super duper fast internet compared to the seemingly fast cable internet available throughout urban and suburban areas in the US right now?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:14 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you like to be able to download a movie in 10 seconds?
MyFacade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:34 on August 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stream movies through legal services, so I don't really have that need. Maybe I would use that if I were to put a bunch of stuff on a device if I were traveling somewhere without internet.
I live in a small town with a beautiful view and a bit of land. I moved here from suburbia, where the only option for internet was Comcast. I hate Comcast, they are just not a company I've ever felt good giving my money to...
15 megabit download speed. DSL. Comcast is now that insane ex who I hated talking to, but took it in the ass like a champion. The one who moved away after the break up and is now married.
Comcast! I'm sorry! Will you please move to the middle of nowhere with me? Our lives could be beautiful!
Well, I live in Argentina, here speeds are 50 mbps tops but if we consider other places like Korea or some parts of Europe, even some cities in the US...
I know the theoretical limit that you can give as an answer to "how fast would you want it to be?" is "infinite" but really, how fast would you want it to be?
"Bytes per second must be in the millions- we're gonna get some extreme downloads tonight. Oh please, Lord, don't let this wonderful cream be poisonous" -Pierre
What are you actually going to do with something like 1gbps?
Wanting more than 56k was real because you could barely listen to audio on the net with it. More than 1mbps was important so you could watch 1080p video and download modern games.
However, once you get to 100 mbps, you top out. 4k is pointless as your eyes can't perceive the difference. So you can get the best video your senses can handle.
Video games only take 10 minutes to update (20 to download fresh).
Anything higher is relatively pointless. Realistically you only need a bigger pipe if you have more people in your house with you.
/r/datahoarders would like to have a word with you. What I would do with 1gbps? I could finally download a few big youtube channels overnight, instead of waking up and being annoyed at reddit not loading in 15ms.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do agree, however, does no one know how to spell anymore. I see this post with no one correcting the fact you spelled 'disgustingly' wrong and then a post much higher up had immortality as inmortality. Am I a grammar nazi, I just want to point it out so you know. Usually when I'm corrected on a highly upvoted comment I think I always remember the correct way after, so I'd figure I would share the feeling.
Clbull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 Gbit/s is accessible now, 10 Gbit/s is probably going to be available rather soon. With current storage technology, there's very little need to go beyond that. I don't want to die that young.
Well, there is the guy how worked at NASA who "borrowed" a bunch of moon rocks to put on his bed and have sex on top of them. It made a bunch of the samples unusable. Maybe he has a tape.
I suppose that they aren't good for anything else, maybe you could make a tape.
I know somebody who knows this guy and they say he's some kind of a genius. But I know loads of dudes who aren't dumb enough to fuck on top of a pile of rocks.
Apparently moon sand is fucking dangerous, like it's a Rat King of tiny razorblades because there isn't any wind to erode the edges after meteor impacts. I wanna know how he dealt with that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC those were just the moon rocks that were already deemed unusable. The ones that have already been used in experiments or whatever are locked away in a vault under crazy amounts of security because they're "military secrets" or some such nonsense. It pisses off a lot of NASA scientists, because they could probably fund their programs for years if the government would just sell them.
True story: In 1971, when Neil Armstrong was still famous, my family was driving through a Florida rainstorm. A gust of wind blew us onto the curb where we popped a tire. Out of nowhere a man appeared, and gestured at us to stay warm and dry in the car while he changed our tire.
You fly away ever so slowly. Using the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation:
ฮv = ve ln(mi/mf),
with ฮv your change of velocity, ve the exhaust velocity (i.e. the speed of your jizz), mi your initial total mass before jizzing and mf your final total weight after jizzing:
ve โ 12.5 m/s,
mi โ 80 kg,
mf โ 79.99 kg (thanks, incognito):
ฮv โ 0.0016 m/s โ 5.6 m/hour.
It's not rocket science
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cumballs.
ds612 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if you jizzed in space, that jizz would just float away from you forever. In a few years it'll be more travelled than you could ever hope to be.
But seriously, with in-built programming to reduce it to fungal matter on planetary contact, said jizz would populate a barren planet and 1.7 billion years of evolution later, comparitively intelligent beings would populate it, just like ours has.
ds612 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, maybe this is some other planets adam and eve. Someone jizzed on earth millenia ago.
Senthe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:35:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am a woman. Can't confirm.
aljoko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you even have werewolves on the moon? You know since it has to be a full moon on Earth for them to transform. Do they stay human, or are they permanently a werewolf?
Pinwheel! Double Rotator! Rocket Boost! Docking Maneuver! The Blow-Off! Three-Body-Problem!
'C'mon, there's dozens of possibilities, and that's assuming a normal person... imagine what a contortionist could do?
thetgi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:08:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would depend on whether your urethra was pointing along the direction of your orbit (adds velocity = higher orbit), against the direction (subtracts velocity = lower orbit) or obliquely to the direction (to the side would change the angle of orbit and what part of the Earth (presumably) you pass over, up or down would alter the perigee and apogee of the orbit). "Thrust" vector (as it were) matters.
All that assumes you have a way to eject the ejaculate. Otherwise, the reaction to the impact of the semen against the inside of the suit, or the inside of the station or shuttle, will tend to counteract the effect to a degree.
You haven't addressed the frightening potential aftereffect, though: Frozen jizz hurtling around the earth at orbital velocity until its orbit decays (jizzeorite!) or until it impacts another orbiting body (death by facial!).
crnext ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rotate your body around a center aligned with your penis (your dong axis, as it were).
Introduce a small eccentricity in the rotation, so that there is a slight 'wobble' around the axis. The same effect on Earth is referred to as nutation and polar motion, though not for the same reason.
Ejaculate. The angular motion induced by the eccentricity should result in a spiral formation of seminal fluid.
Be careful not to rotate too quickly. Too much angular momentum will result in a pattern less like a spiral and more like the one generated by one of the devices people use to put grass seed on their lawn.
crnext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was kinda hoping for a spiral more like a ballet dancer (head to toe axis) and then giant sploosh, except for men.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
man, that helicopter dick thing I've been practicing is gonna be so worth it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I vaguely remember seeing something where they said NASA actually had people fucking in zero gravity just to see if it's feasible, if I remember rightly there wasn't really much that could be done..
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I very well could be, but isn't escape velocity basically the speed you need to exit the atmosphere? Which means you're still greatly effected by earth's gravity as you're moving away from the direction you're being pulled at speeds great enough to suck you to your seat.
I know that once you reach orbit you're still falling towards earth but you're also traveling at a high enough speed that you just kind of keep swinging around without falling straight down. I can see that the speed of escape velocity being enough to keep traveling this orbit but is it still considered escape velocity at this point?
Escape velocity is the speed you need to escape the gravitational pull of the sphere of influence you are in. From what I understand, as long as you're outside of the atmosphere when you obtain escape velocity, you'll be at an unchanging acceleration and thus be in zero G. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though I'm just going off of Kerbal Space Program.
I'm basing my knowledge on like 6th grade science from 20 years ago. I'd bet Kerbal is probably more accurate than what I learned in school.
My school was kind of crap...
Cersad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that you would actually be acted upon by the gravity of the body from which you are escaping. At precisely escape velocity an object's speed should asymptotically approach zero as it approaches the boundary of the gravitational well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually not true. You'll still accelerate toward the planet. What's special about escape velocity is that your acceleration decays faster than your velocity, so even though your radial velocity away from the planet is decreasing over time, it will never reach zero. You'll never turn around and go back down.
Yes, if the ejaculating astronaut (Ejacstronaut? Or Cumsmonaut, depending on country?) is facing the direction of acceleration, and the force of acceleration is greater than the force generated by the muscles that eject the semen, then you will have (as it were) a launch failure.
That one's not going to be pretty. High-g flattens things and pulls blood away from things that would make porn shoots unflattering at best, and impossible at worst.
I'm pretty sure it would be impossible without some prosthetic help or something, because of the lack of gravity we're used to a man cannot get an erection. The blood does flow the same down there.
You just made me realize, the second one is within reach... It'd be expensive, but a suitably funded porn company could hire out one of those planes that does the microgravity flights. It's been done before. Some of the weightless scenes in Apollo 13 were filmed on one with portable sets. Maybe a gofundme or something could "get them off the ground"
Fun Fact: NASA has never officially studied sex in space and as far as we know no one has ever had sex in space. It's hard to tell if Russia had looked into though. Those are the Russian leaks I wanna see the most
Officially is the key word here, I read on the internet that they send specially trained sex monkeys on every manned mission. Most of the flight time on Apollo 11 was spent by Armstrong and Aldrin watching to male Capuchin monkeys tug each other off and on Apollo 13 allegedly Jim Lovell made an Orangutan and a Bonobo have bum sex.
I mean I'm not saying it's true, but it's out there and some people are saying it is all.
Then there may be astronauts working in their own "independent" studies that are officially off the books. Such as the nature of arousal in space and the mechanics of self stimulation.
Hate to toss a wrench into your plans, but the Moon is covered in a layer of very fine, but incredibly abrasive and sharp moon rocks. It's course, it's rough, it's irritating, and it gets everywhere.
cruzbmx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, doesn't count... 82% of the appeal is the combined thrill of lower gravity, the sweet sweet smell of moon cheese and being watch by moon-monsters.
A bunch of moon rocks on Earth is just uncomfortable regular sex, it ain't proper moon sex, no way no how.
I can only imagine the money shot taking off and leaving the moon's orbit, only to become the first human artifact to land on an alien planet. Then the aliens begin trying to figure out what and where it came from.
There was an IndieGogo a year or two ago to raise money for space porn. It would have technically only been in orbit but it would still be zero gravity porn. Eva Lovia and Johnny Sins werr set to star in it and it would have been shot by Pornhub and Digital Playground. I want them to actually do it.
interesting thought experiment..but is it even possible? I mean of course you can do it in artificially pressurized spaces but can you whip out ur junk on the surface of moon and not have it squished into pulp? I imagine it'll be a legendary tussle between ur own hard-on and atmospheric forces...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine being High af without gravity
T-Rekd ยท 772 points ยท Posted at 13:00:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing teeth. Like really fixing this dumb problem. We can put a man on the moon but we can't prevent some simple rot? I believe the mouth mechanics have a solution but it would jeopardize their industry. It's a crack pot theory but I bat it around in my head quite a bit. Well, 2 times a day for 2 minutes at least.
pikk ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 14:17:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ceramic coated titanium implants are really good. You just can't afford them.
And dentists are reluctant to install them if you still have mostly healthy teeth, because they, like most doctors, don't believe in unnecessary surgery.
bluew200 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:33:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any implant can be rejected by the body, and there can be surgery complications, especially with anesthesia. Any dumb surgery can kill you, though the risk is considerably low.
StereoZ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:51:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Walking to the surgery could get you killed too, could get ran over on the way there. Like tf, let people do shit if it's very low risk.
Yes but a doctor reasonably wouldn't want to bear any avoidable responsibility in someone's death. Walking to the store is only your decision. Receiving surgery also is the doctor's decision to give you surgery.
If these results can be repeated on a larger patient group, thenย I have no doubt whatsoever that in two to three years time this technique will be available for dentists to use in their daily practice."
Implants are 100% worth the price. Conventional dentures, particularly on the lower arch, are never going to be completely stable. They shift around a lot and over time, the bone in your maxilla and mandible also resorbs so the dentures become looser and looser. Implants not only provide a stable base for dentures to be placed upon, but they actually drastically slow down bone loss over time. They are going to become cheaper over time as well, since the systems used for implant screws/abutments/crowns become standardized across the industry.
pikk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tomnnn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm... so maybe I can just get some molars, some incisors, and a few front teeth. Or I can get holographic teeth and just give up on solid foods.
pikk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that hard, just set a budget, save up enough for retirement, spend it all on getting new teeth instead, die from starvation, but have beautiful teeth
it's basically the next Gift of the Magi
veltrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ceramic onlays fully covering all teeth are pretty awesome too.
bluew200 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:35:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem isnt really that much teeth as the gums.
We can put non-destructible teeth in your mouth, but we cannot stop bacteria from eating into your gums, making them expose your lower jaw and teeth etc.
Cause bacteria gets fed by your food too.
qsub234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so we just kill off all the bacteria that causes this?.
Incredibly difficult. Would require a targeted antibiotic..which raises the concern of antibiotic resistance, oppurtunistic organisms (which might be even worse than what you were trying to kill..), systemic effects, etc.
Not sure the validity of it, but it seems promising. I've brought it up to my dentist, and he knew of it, and said the professional community is buzzing about it as well.
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks! XKCD was getting so overdone
dizekat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, getting rid of this and related bacteria altogether. Some bacteriophage mouthwash maybe. The thing is, our teeth don't just rot from little bits of food or sugar water. It takes a very specific bacteria - which everyone's infected with nowadays because of population density - to destroy the teeth.
m7nika ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would pay few thousand dollars for a simple procedure (like taking a pill, or a shot) which can fix all my teeth without any major pain.
I think the army tested chewing gum that contained bacteria that would out compete the bacteria in your mouth in order to prevent cavities. Not sure what happened- but i bet the gum tasted like shit.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, you're responsible for preventing the rot. brush, floss, mouthwash, etc. don't eat sugary foods often. brush your teeth after you do.
you can't just sit around with stank mouth saying "WHY AREN'T WE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS??" because it's you. you are not doing anything about it.
however I will agree that dental procedures feel pretty torturous; maybe we could figure something else out there.
Carlbuba ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't eat sugary foods often." Many food products have sugar in them, and low income families can be uneducated when it comes to what to buy. Did you know that colorful, attention grabbing cereal directed towards kids has way more sugar than adult cereal does? Why does cereal even need sugar? Also, people drink lots of soda, because they like it, but also because companies want you to buy their product and shove it in your face. Sure, we have ourselves to blame, but there is some level of deception and unfairness.
Do you play sports? Can lead to broken teeth.
Depression? Can lead to improper hygiene.
Rural area? Less connection to dentists and hygiene education.
And once something bad happens, it sucks ass, and it takes forever to get better.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes pedant there are exceptions to everything. you can still brush your teeth
Interesting. I wasn't breastfed at all, and neither were my two sisters. Only two of us needed braces though.
And, at the risk of sounding super full of myself: definitely didn't blame genetics for underdeveloped facial features making me unattractive. I come from a very long line of good looking people. Fairly certain I turned out alright myself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
please do not take the advice of someone who says "get toothpaste without fluoride" and goes on to say that himalayan salt will allow remineralization to occur. He/She is talking out of their ass.
Charcoal toothpaste "whitens" your teeth because its hugely abrasive and is stripping away enamel. Its awful.
This is simply untrue. Secondary decay happens underneath crowns and bridges almost inevitably. Veneers not so much, but the possibility is still there.
The death of the two party system here in the States. It's so corrupt that instilling change by the people, for the people, would be a legitimate achievement.
In all of American politics. If you have strong feelings on two separate issues and they both don't magically align with one party, politicians won't ever fully represent you in Washington.
Haha Sucker! My country has 35 national parties, the majority of them have seats in the congress, and people still think they are unrepresented. Brasil ftw
But most of those don't follow any kind of ideology whatsoever. Even sadder is that there are only so many parties because they make money selling TV slots to the bigger parties.
Hint227 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:58:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, some ~20 of those 35 are actually all representing the same 0.5% of people! The rest are just a bunch of scarecrows that only represent themselves. Sad.
ds612 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:34:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least your women are pinnacles of female evolution.
It was so nice of the Brazilian government to set up designated murder districts so that we have a one stop shop for all our murder related needs!
wilk3ns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, I don't know how many parties we have in our country, but there is only one for a lifetime president. People still pissed off but pretending to be happy :D
The fix comes with the way people vote. A voting system like First Past the Post either leads to 2 parties or a minority party controlling the majority.
Which is why voting for people in the past was basically the only feasible option. Nowadays you could literally poll anyone with access to an internet connection for your "representation"
But even still, 2 parties is, on average, worse than more, in a system of voting that supports more than 2 parties (the US system does not support more than 2 in more than just theory, due to first past the post)
Yeah there are more than 2 parties in the UK but there's only a realistic chance of 2 of them ever getting into power. Most people consider a vote for any one of the other parties a waste, and because they consider it a waste it becomes one, it's a self perpetuating cycle. Lots of people I know (myself included) only voted for the party they did because it was one of the two major parties and they didn't want the other one to win.
moloko5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't have a national election where the head of state is voted in directly by the voters. That's why you see an equilibrium of two parties (or even worse one) in presidential systems compared to parliamentary systems that can support multiple regional and issue based parties and form coalition governments.
I don't think anyone will be fully represented, but wouldn't it be crazy if they actually represented their district's overall wishes instead of the party's?!
Taftimus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like me. I agree and disagree with both political parties too much to side with one of them.
Welcome to politics. Given there are dozens of important issues, each of which has several possible positions, this situation always exists for many people, even in Europe's five or six party systems. You would have to have hundreds of parties for that to happen. In fact, the US's primary system actually means you get can more heterogenous politicians than you get in Europe.
Sometimes you just have to accept that you can't have your perfect politician and choose the one that is most likely to progress the country on average.
Oh a bad thing has happened? That must mean all politicians are awful and we shouldn't vote for any of them. It's not like that's ever let in dangerous extremists recently.
I think guns are cool but also like... trans-people deserve to pee wherever they feel comfortable.
Foxehh2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With so many different people in the country and everyone having difference beliefs is it really realistic for someone to represent specifically you? I don't like the two party system but I feel that's a fair argument for it - with so many small nuances in political opinions people need a general choice so everyone can compromise. My main problem with it is that it almost feels like Communism does in the sense that human nature completely defeats the entire system.
I know I probably learned most of what I know about this from CPGrey, but being able to vote for more than one candidate would help. Just being able to vote for two candidates greatly increases the chances of a minor candidate tying or winning.
Actually, if you have strong feelings on an issue that isn't already hyper-politicised, it is much easier to effect meaningful change.
<State assemblywoman's staffer, reading another letter about abortion, signed by 15 people>: nope tosses in bin
<State assemblywoman's staffer, reading a letter about some previously-unknown issue signed by 15 people>: Hey Kerri, look at this!
Why? Because if you're bringing her a new issue, she knows that she can actually have a hope of getting things done.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Americans having strong feelings on things that don't concern them is exactly your problem. You want a party that represents you 110% and so does everyone else. And no one is willing to compromise. No system will ever work in the US until there is a huge cultural change towards more tolerance.
Yes. OP's point was, as I interpreted it, eliminating the two party majority. You're absolutely right that people want a party they can fully support, because "fuck the other guys". The benefit of 3 or more parties holding significant seats in government is that more people will feel represented by more specific parties. And best of all, it makes it harder for any party to have a majority where they can ignore all other opinions.
People are so chronically disappointed with representatives from Republican or Democrat parties, yet we keep electing them. Many 3rd party candidates don't have the funds to get their name out there or they run an unprofessional campaign. It's frustrating.
It's mostly the "us and against them" way of thinking. Saying I vote democratic isn't the same as saying I hate guns. Maybe I trusted the person more than the other guy.
xguy_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention people will attack you for being an "indecisive centrist".
That's kind of how it always will be and always have been. If you're someone that agrees with EVERY single thing a certain politician does and disagrees with EVERY single thing another certain politician does, then you're a sheep
What if we didn't have parties, but we just vote for people based on their beliefs and stand points. So basically the same concept now but we get rid of labels, bc people have to stick with their brand no matter what. Well what if there was no brand to stand by just the people you align with?
It's not perfect alignment that's the goal. It's getting rid of the mindset of voting one way pigeon holes you into a certain set of predetermined views.
It's math. Elections are a competitive system. A two-party system is a stable equilibrium under many conditions.
The fact that some countries have more than 2 major parties is due to the way their legislatures are filled, in addition to the fact that there are many dimensions (issues) which parties can organize along, or place emphasis on.
I fucking hate that shit. What happened to one dude just having some good ideas that aren't the agenda of a larger interest group? I think Reddit should be president, and we make all of our decisions by upvotes vs downvotes. True democracy via internet strangers.
Sure the first month would be filled with Dickbutt statues being erected everywhere and maybe a few legitimate wars about memes, but after that the possibilities are endless.
Maybe we just create the Reddit party instead of republican or democratic parties and see where it goes.
What happened to one dude just having some good ideas that aren't the agenda of a larger interest group?
This happens all the time, but it is usually local politics and tautalogically low-conflict and therefore doesn't make entertaining news coverage.
Thorimus ยท 434 points ยท Posted at 14:40:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The solution is simple: Get rid of the first-past-the-post system. Unfortunately it isn't going to happen because the people who would vote to change it are those two parties, who I doubt would willingly let anyone else compete.
moloko5 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:48:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The key though is the first past the post national election for the head of state. This naturally causes parties to either merge or replace each other in prominence until an equilibrium of two dominant national parties is achieved. To change that you need a constitutional amendment, because even if states allocate their electors proportionally or via rank voting, ultimately there is incentive to get to 50% of the electoral vote and in turn be a party that represents at least half the country.
I envision a non-=partisan Presidential race. Run by the Fed, likely contracting individually with t he states to handle it but Federally paid for. A qualifying round to choose those candidates for the main round, with more than one way to qualify. Then those candidates in the main to select the POTUS, with provision for a run-off of one sort or another or a third. It won't fix everything but it would I think lead to a better place. /u/camipco
moloko5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps, but I think an amendment to alter the presidential election in a meaningful way is a non-starter. What incentive is there for 2/3 of congress and 3/4 of the states to do that when they are all run by the current two parties? I think what is best is if people learn about the way our government works and understand that compromise is always going to happen. It doesn't matter if it's your more closely aligned representative compromising with other representatives to vote for a head of state or pass laws or it's you as an individual having to compromise to vote for the better of two choices. The mechanism that people on the left, who always seem to advocate this, have to get a better president is in the primary process. They should aim to make the Democratic Party the party of Bernie Sanders. They came very close to doing that just last year. They've come nowhere near what they would need to do in order to disincentivise the two party equilibrium. What's frustrating to me is that talking about eliminating the two party system is really a waste of time that comes from not understanding how a presidential system works and the history of those systems. This time is better spent trying to use the mechanisms available to shift the government toward your liking.
Well, I agree, getting the politicos to do it is another matter. The first big advantage as I see it it reduces the need for the legislative party to kneejerk oppose of support the President "because of The Party," it creates a separation between the two factors of the majority versus the leader
Yeah, but first you need the citizens who would advocate for this change to understand and embrace the change. Which is why I think a change in the cities would be a good start, and maybe make it easier implement in the presidential election. Plus, it would give us opportunities to see if the system works, or if perhaps another system, such as approval voting (which I personally do not like as much at this time) would work better.
camipco ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:17:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instant Runoff isn't actually that great a solution. For a start, in most cases it has preserved the two party system. Second, it can lead to some really weird and counter-intuitive results.
Approval voting is simpler and more effective.
But while first-past-the-post is a big factor in the two party system, it's also just the fact of the scale of their power and establishment in all levels of government. You can't be the chair of a committee in congress unless you align with one of the big parties. The parties can provide all kinds of support to you in running a campaign. And most importantly, perhaps, the parties are a almost-universal shorthand for what you represent. Take trump. Please. But seriously, there's no way he would have won without the (R) by his name. Even though he rejected many of their core policies, and invented new ones. Even though he used relatively little of their money and network. The fact is that a huge number of people voted for him just because he was the gop candidate. And changing that power will take far more than a voting system.
evaned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a start, in most cases it has preserved the two party system. Second, it can lead to some really weird and counter-intuitive results.
I suspect, in practice, approval voting would have the first problem too. (Though note that if the parties change positions in response to the voting system, you could still have (R) and (D) all over the place but a successful voting system.)
Approval voting can definitely have the latter as well (any voting system will; thanks Kenneth Arrow), and I suspect it's more prone to it than instant runoff.
camipco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Approval voting can have undesirable results - mostly likely that a candidate is elected that everyone feels kinda "meh" about. But I don't think it suffers from the same "wtf just happened" problem as IRV.
It's actually more feasible than most people think, if you start at the local level and them move up. There is no reason why this is not the Legal Marihuana of the next decade.
Here is a list of place in the USA that already use it:
State and local governments
Basalt, Colorado: Adopted in 2002 and will be used when 3 or more candidates run for Mayor
Berkeley, California: Adopted in 2004 and first used 2010 (for mayor, city council and other city offices)
Cambridge, Massachusetts: In use since the 1940s in multi-winner RCV form for the nine seat city council and six seat school board
Minneapolis, Minnesota: Adopted in 2006 and first used in 2009 in elections for mayor, city council and several other city offices, including certain multi-seat elections
Oakland, California: Adopted in 2006 and first used in 2010 (for a total of 18 city offices, including mayor and city council)
Portland, Maine: Adopted in 2010 and first used in 2011 (for electing mayor only)
San Francisco, California: Adopted in 2002, first used in 2004 and used every November election since then (for mayor, city attorney, Board of Supervisors and five additional citywide offices)
San Leandro, California: Adopted as option in 2000 charter amendment and first used in 2010 and every two years since (for mayor and city council)
St. Paul, Minnesota: Adopted in 2009, first used in 2011 and to be used every two years (mayor and city council)
Takoma Park, Maryland: Adopted in 2006 and first used in 2007, with elections every two years and with some special elections in between (for mayor and city council)
Telluride, Colorado: Adopted in 2008 and first used in 2011 (for mayoral elections)
I live in a country with a Proportional representation system. It is insanely inefficient. Decision making is all about making compromises, and in a proportional representation method, you get a parliament/government that can't compromise on anything, so it doesn't take any decisions. Nothing gets done. It just distributes funds to the disproportionately powerful scale tipping small parties. We export technologies to the whole world but can't implement them domestically. We don't even have a subway system.
BTW, this system was the cause of the Nazis' rise to power.
Decision making is all about making compromises, and in a proportional representation method, you get a parliament/government that can't compromise on anything, so it doesn't take any descisions. Nothing gets done.
So... no democratic system works? We either get one shitty system where we choose between two shitty parties or another shitty system where nothing gets done?
Look up the book Against Democracy by Jason Brennan. The reason democracies don't really work as intended is because of low levels of political knowledge. Increased political participation doesn't fix that. Reading about rank voting and such doesn't encourage me because that would track public opinion better, and public opinion is bad.
Representative democracy tends to do better than pure democracy because representatives are less beholden to the pure majority opinion and can track educated opinion better. That said, epistocracy does pose a viable alternative.
Either you assume the government system has no influence on the accomplishments of the country, and then what's it to you, or you assume that it does, and then you have to take the accomplishments into consideration when judging the system.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:28 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is true democracy? Eventually you need to take a single decision that effects the welfare of a multitude of people. Even when you take the opinions of these multitudes into question, you will always have to compromise. Are you lamenting the need to compromise? Or are you lamenting the fact that a group of millions will not have a single opinion? The only question is how to find a mechanism that ensures that the compromises that are made are accepted.
Here are some impossibility theorems for you. They show that compromise is necessary:
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:54:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Nixflyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear we need to teach really low end psychology/human behavior/logic in high school. Just enough so people have an understanding of things like [very basic] game theory as it applies to politics, the tragedy of the commons, etc. It's aggravating how little people understand of voting, representation, and the math behind the two party system.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it will not happen overnight at the top. It would require the support of Congresspeople who are naturally satisfied with the system that had the good sense to put them in power and keep them there.
But it could start at the local level, where things are potentially more volatile. When people see it and learn to trust it, it could be adopted in other areas and at higher levels.
The solution is simple: Get rid of the first-past-the-post system. Unfortunately it isn't going to happen because the people who would vote to change it are those two parties, who I doubt would willingly let anyone else compete.
If it was up to me, I would have government funded media, and make it so that everyone would have equal access to it. So, a TV channel, a radio station, and a website acting as platforms for various politicians, where they would be entitled to equal say, and not one person would get more time.
[deleted] ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 14:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best we can hope for is better parties and better politicians.
So you're telling me I should just move, got it.
bjlmag ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:44:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The public sucks and that won't change with a Parliament.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:39:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Touchรฉ. With an uninformed populace, democratic systems, even democratic republics, are doomed to at least have major trouble. Our education system in the US is one of our many crappy systems that needs reform.
bjlmag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. With an educated population, even the current system would work much better.
[deleted] ยท -77 points ยท Posted at 14:41:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lungabow ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 15:05:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, what do they teach you guys in American schools?
Yeah, it's almost like people can be from anywhere and have their own opinions.
In my opinion, you are wrong
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't stereotype regions like that, please, there's just as many "The United States government has done nothing but fuck me" in the south as there are flag-worshippers. This idea of a South which is simultaneously still fighting the Civil War and screaming "God Bless America!" is ridiculous to me.
Well for a starts they have war grade weapons and vehicles like armoured cars capable of withstanding IEDs.
Things that have resulted in some pretty insane events in the US.
The MOVE Bombing: Killed 11 people and left 250 people homeless. Carried out by police with FBI supplied explosives.
Ruby Ridge: Police armed with sniper rifles, assault weapons and armoured vehicles killed two innocent members of family of a criminal.
Reported incidents after hurricane katrina of security forces executing looters.
Reports of police arresting protested is Denver with no proper reason.
In February 2010, the Minneapolis Police Department raided the apartment of Rickia Russell, breaching the door and throwing in a flashbang grenade, as part of a search for drugs. At the time, Russell was eating dinner with her boyfriend and the exploding grenade gave her burns to her head and calves. No drugs were found in Russell's apartment.
The Oakland Police Department used excessive force while breaking up Occupy Oakland demonstrations in 2011. Several protesters successfully sued the city of Oakland, California for their injuries; Scott Olsen was severely injured after being hit in the head with a police projectile.
On May 28, 2014, a SWAT team looking for drugs in a Cornelia, Georgia home threw a flashbang grenade into the house. The grenade landed in the playpen of a 19-month-old baby boy, and the detonation severely burned and mutilated the baby's face.
Or you could just not give them flashbands, grenades, insane amounts of snipers and specialised tank like vehicles.
Heavy weaponry like assault rifles and snipers should be kept for very high level issues with proper plans in place or emergencies like a active shooter.
You police have snipers facing protests, which is mad.
Again Police outside the US like the UK manage to handle this divide pretty well.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cops are militarized"
"Nuh uh no they aren't"
"Yes they are they have combat transport vehicles and assault rifles and look at all these instances where they kill innocents with their military equipment"
I addressed your hyperbole with hyperbole of my own.
A police force needs to be better armed than criminals. If criminals are able to get assault weapons, do you not feel cops should be able to counter those weapons?
Ttabts ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:09:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Maybe take an example from any other first world country which has much less of "human error" as you put it, while also having much less crime.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:12:06 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they're not given the training to be using this new military equipment
The standards required for being considered a terror suspect is fairly high. Much higher than being arrested for criticizing Islam in Europe or losing your kid in Canada for not encouraging a child's mental illness.
Shik3i ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:22:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Guantanamo bay, NSA, censorship, Patriot act....such a free country
Just because you call it free speech, doesn't mean it is. American media is so heavily censored, it's laughable.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:15:56 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but maybe you shouldn't have them laws, maybe you should shut the fuck up for awhile.
The freedom index takes into consideration more than this one thing, it takes in a whole bunch of criteria and you fucking losers came out 23rd. Now given that you guys also place around that place again for Maths I'll help you out. There are 22 other countries more free than the United States of America.
Ttabts ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:02:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I'm happy with my comprehensive public health insurance, free university education, extensive public transit options, 5x lower crime rate, and good social safety net.
"...but do you get to post racist shit on the internet???"
Whatever makes ya feel better...
bjlmag ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 14:43:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is no other country as free as ours
What kind of batshit propoganda have you (not legally, like many other countries) been smoking?
Can you give us an example of a better country instead of flinging insults then?
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Western/Central/Northern Europe all have better infrastructure, better internet, less obese people, higher education, Higher pay, less prisoners, annnnnnnd a whole lot of other shit that I've forgotten and won't bother looking up because if you don't already know about these things you probably won't pay any attention.
bjlmag ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:02:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if a quick Google search was too much for you.
Just because politicians can buy ignorant votors by constantly mentioning "muh freedom" and swinging around the military's big dick doesn't mean the U.S. is more free by real metrics.
How is that a real metric? It lists countries like the U.K. and Canada as being more free, when both have far more restrictive laws. Their free speech laws are borderline nonexistent and the same applies to their firearms laws. In what ways are these countries more free than the U.S. in terms of things that actually matter? Other than that most acts of bestiality are legal in Canada.
bjlmag ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:47:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A quick glance at the actual source could help you.
Yeah, I read the basic things it takes into account, like how it measures business regulation and access to sound money. They're way to general to say what specifically they find better about these countries. If it's such a viable metric you should be able to explain what makes it so reliable, right? But clearly, you don't actually know what it's comprised of and are just trying to find any source that agrees with you.
bjlmag ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still not explaining what exactly makes these countries more or less free. You're not fooling anyone.
bjlmag ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to read an incredibly comprehensive publication to you any more than I'd change your daiper. You being too lazy to educate yourself doesn't actually reflect on me at all. I don't owe you anything.
So you didn't even read your own source but you expect others to? You're calling me lazy and you don't even know what you just cited like the hypocrite you are.
bjlmag ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:25:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're just humiliating yourself at this point by trying to direct any part of this at me. You don't have any reason at all to suggest I haven't read anything simply because I'm not spoon-feeding it to you.
You didn't understand the metrics used.
You didn't bother to look at the source before making a fool out of yourself.
You came to complain without a basic understanding of the topic at hand.
Despite all this, you have the audacity to act as though you're entitled to a point-to-point explanation from me, and blame your stupid failure of an argument on me?
All I did was post a source to someone else entirely. If you want to understand the source, read the fucking source. I don't owe my time to any idiot who stumbles into a thread and doesn't have any reading comprehension.
I told you, I read what they metrics were and don't find them to be valid considering the judgement they gave the countries. The fact that you're getting so incredibly defensive and angry while at the same time not defending anything from the actual source makes it obvious that you didn't actually read it. If you did, you would have no problem explaining what makes it so viable.
If you expect anyone to believe that you don't have time to explain and defend the metric but do have the time to write multiple comments about how you can't do it then you're delusional.
Notice how it doesn't list Middle Eastern people and Jewish people as their own groups, it's because they're categorized under whites for the purpose of that census. Separate them and you get the 55% white population data.
Considering most people consider Jewish people and Middle Eastern people to be their own ethnicities it's fair to say that they shouldn't be classified under white.
You really haven't heard about the terror attacks in Europe in the past few years?
bjlmag ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:25:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hearing what the news puts out doesn't overshadow actual metrics and statistics. This type of thoughtless acceptance of fearmongering doesn't change reality. You're more likely to be killed by someone texting and driving than you are by a terrorist.
So you have heard of the terror attacks in Europe in the past few years.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:42:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you remember Orlando? Everyone has terror attacks. Stop trying to make it political.
bjlmag ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:29:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and again, hearing about something still doesn't change reality, and your shitty red herring still hasn't turned into a point. Goodness you're like a toddler just saying "why" over and over because you don't have a damn clue how anything works.
How is it a red herring when there have actually been terror attacks?
bjlmag ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:36:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At this point I'm responding for the benefit of anyone else with reading comprehension stumbling into this thread.
Terror attacks, though covered more in the news, are almost completely a non-issue compared to virtually any other cause of death. More people are killed by falling down stairs than terrorists. Statistically, you're still more likely to be killed by right-wing extremists (white folks, to be clear) than by Islamic terrorists.
Still, this shockingly simple concept is apparently too hard for you to grasp, and I'm done wasting my time trying to have a discussion with somebody who hasn't brought one worthwhile thought to the table.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Of course no country is 100% all one skin color.
But if you look at all of those small European counties they are very homogenous and overwhelmingly white lmao
Thertor ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:01:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I checked several European countries have a higher migration percentage than the USA.
Your cumulative downvotes suggest: apparently. I didn't downvote you FWIW. But others i guess have dealt with people making the same argument, only in seriousness
Urgh, i hate when this is brought up, since it is such a misleading title. Most of the arrested guys were part of a neonazi group called "Reichsbรผrger" that was communicating through a facebook group. Just a few days before those arrests, one memeber of the group shot a cop through a door when they came to check up on his gun license. They were discussing ideas about harming refugees online, which is illegal, hence the arrests.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 20:07:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Shik3i ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:28:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"shot a cop" Germany arrest him
"Germany has crossed a line on free speech"
Yeah seems legit to me....
bjlmag ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:00:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A single anecdotal instance without context just makes your argument look weaker.
lappro ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea definitely keep that close minded view to make sure nothing is going to improve for you guys.
We have multiple parties in Canada, but only 2 really count (like the US) except for recently when our third party became a real option federally and started making progress to becoming a real three party system.
Then we got Mulcair and he's a twat, but still.
Yes I know the Green party and Bloc have spots in Parliament too. But realistically only the NDP has a chance at the top.
audigex ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing to note here is that all 3 are loosely based on the British parliamentary system.
Multi-party systems can and do work in the rest of the world, and usually lead to slightly less decisive, but more sensibly middle-ground, governments. In politics, compromise is usually a good thing.
Right now in our 3 countries, slightly more than half the people get their own way, and slightly less than half have to put up with it. In most of (the rest of) Europe, though, the parties have to compromise and while nobody is entirely happy, the end result is something everyone can usually live with.
I do think that the UK/US/Canadian type systems usually lead to stronger governments, but IMO that ends up being a weakness: that just makes it easier for a slight majority to strongly over-rule the minority.
The only guy who could get the NDP to beat the Liberals is dead now. And the Liberals are who you'd need to beat--there's no way the NDP is going to coalition with the Conservatives.
It's not just a US thing. It's a law of politics. Any pluralistic system is going to have two big coalitions: government and opposition. The main difference between the US party system and those of parliamentary countries is that we form our coalitions before the election, rather than after.
France is a FPTP system and we have (had I guess, one is dying now so let's see what comes next) a two party system, it never stopped other parties from being relevant enough to have their voice heard.
Elected for presidency, no, but relevant, yes.
I guess having two rounds also allows for coalitions not before but during and after the election.
The current system would allow regional third parties that agree on one candidate for president. For example, Cascadia Republicans could get elected in Washington and Oregon by shunning the Southern beliefs and focusing on what is important in the Northwest and then not run a candidate for president every four years.
Presidential systems tend to devolve into authoritarian regimes because there's no real accountability between the executive and legislature. The US has been an outlier in this regard, it's thought, because our parties weren't traditionally that polarized.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be awesome. While we're at it, we could get rid of lobbying, corporate power, and greed. All of those things taint our political system to the point that it is no fun anymore.
The reason change "by the people, for the people" hasn't happened isn't because it's stifled from on high, it's because there legitimately isn't popular consensus on the issues.
brkello ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:13:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the worst top answers. If you think multi-party systems, where the majority party has to negotiate with the very small extremist parties to get something passed, is superior than having two parties, you really haven't looked in to it. The problem we have is one party isn't governing in good faith and massive right wing propaganda machines. If we had two legitimate parties that listened to the people, there wouldn't be this perceived massive problem.
Nixflyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, we still have that problem in the US, we just deal with it before the election rather than after. Our crazies are the tea party and the alt right, that the Republicans have to bend over backwards for. Both parties are big tent coalitions and we just appease our crazies earlier than they do in parliamentary systems.
Or you can sit down, look at the facts, and then apportion blame as it should be apportioned. Which also makes it clear that Republicans are at fault, in deciding to obstruct everything Obama did just because he was a Democrat and almost defaulting on the debt and shutting down the government because they thought it would hurt the Democrat.
Republicans were fine with stimulus measures before Obama. It was only after he was elected that they decided to be against it.
Sklain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And become Mexico, where there's like 30 parties and only one of them (PRI) ever wins.
Ya know ... I used to be on board with having more parties, but these days I'm not so sure. I watched a documentary on Hitler and realized that one thing that allowed him to take so much control over Germany is that the country was fractured into so many political parties. After his won X amount of support, even though it wasn't a majority, he was able to crush the power of the other parties.
The American parties are certainly corrupt, and I think we could fix that with adjusting lobbying regulation. However, there might be value to the gridlock of a 2 party system.
toaste ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winning a plurality is how Trump won the nomination. The Republicans had Bush, Cruz, Carson, Kasich, and Rubio in it with their various supporters basically until the end, and Trump only needed to secure more support than any one of them.
I'd like to see major parties completely reform how they conduct primaries. Primary elections would get held in the spring, on a set date for all parties. All citizens get to choose to vote in one primary, via approval voting. This'd fix candidates early in the cycle and ensures that most party supporters could live with their nominee.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with a multiparty system is that coalition governments rely on trading of votes more than to do on compromise. Which can be just as corruptive.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justin Amash, a Republican congressman, has openly called for the end of the Republican party. He hates the two party system. There are some politicians out there who agree with the people.
I think two party isn't the problem. The problem is picking a candidate in the first round that best represents your beliefs to run in the general (Trump, Jeb, Paul, etc). If we move away from first-past-the-post in those, we can get primary candidates that better align with the views of those in that general set of beliefs.
Also, popular vote nationwide as the winner, not electoral college. We live in a society where we can tally the popular vote within hours after poll closings. In the old days, it took a long time to share the news on who won the popular vote.
It might happen. Trump is not a Bush republican and is putting pressure on the worst of that party, and the democrat's current leadership is so incompetent and openly corrupt that they might self destruct.
_alba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, American politics are fucked up. I can't believe lobbying is legal. It's literally bribing people and everyone is used to it? If this happened anywhere else people would flip shite
You guyz are cray cray. When you boil off the bullshit your left with a simple spectrum. Getting rid of the party system wont change it.
On one side we have More social progress and more money for corporations, and on the other side we have less social progress and more money for corporations. Though a lot of the time we don't see this social progress because both sides of the spectrum agree that more money for corporations is most important.
A remedy for this political problem could be to ban incoming and outgoing "donations" for all those involved in politics. Political advertising should be government funded.
Politicians should also be banned from owning shares and having involvement in any business to further discourage corruption.
Politicians should just be more like priests. Not in the weird rapey sort of way, but the "I'm willing to sacrifice my life for what I believe in" sort of way. Rigorous and extensive vetting and regulations are necessary for those involved.
It's not corrupt. It just sucks. People who align with one party or the other aren't corrupt inherently. With the voting system we use, a two party system is inevitable. I'd even go as far as to say it's the only way we could have a majority rule in this country.
I think that the two party system is ultimately inevitable but it definitely should be removed the election process. One thing I like about Nh is that I can register as an independent and be able to vote in either party for the primary. I honestly think it's ridiculous to pick your president (or any member of elected office) based solely on the party. Vote by the issue people!!!
unfortunately the number of parties doesnt really change anything, except making things more complicated. we need a political system that doesnt rely on having a party back up your every decision so we can actually have politicians with their own ideas.
Having a party affiliation isnt really the issue. Id say its more "party loyalty". God forbid doing what you think it right regardless of your party...
Dwev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moderates from both parties should break away and join forces to create a new "moderate" party. The extremists have the power over the parties because there are just enough of them to wield influence. If the extremists were abandoned, they would lose all their power.
Then make it so the VP cannot be from the same party as the President.
Also, the death of the electorate college. It's a stupid, outdated system. All votes should be taken into account equality, and popular vote is better than electorates.
Tusami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this what fucking George Washington warned us about?
Me too man. But people are locked into voting for their favorite team rather than the underdog 3rd parties which will actually fix the system. Both parties agree when it comes to fucking and robbing the citizens.
I love how people presume that multi-party politics is a good thing. It would bring its own host of problems. You'd have politicians even more willing to give up on promises and ideals for the sake of building coalitions to obtain a majority. Shit ain't pretty.
Well the UK technically has several parties but it's usually between the tories or labour no matter what (with the exception of the SNP the last decade)
It's better this way, as you can see nothing is fixed just because you add more parties there is just an illusion of choice. Also anyone can run on the 2 party platform while not really agreeing with the majority parties views and normal ways (Trump, Bernie)
Though there has been growth in Libertarian party members in politics
It really is a one party system at the end of the day. They have Eat 7 cheese burgers, commit more treason, 58 minute nap with fox news on repeat. Send twets decided to start a war with Madagascar. Make BRAWNDO (The thirst mutilator)(TM) the official liquid to feed the crops.
te masters tell them to agree to.
kcjg8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is proof that the two party system is starting to die. An independent took over the republican ticket and both democrats and republicans have lost a percentage(2% o believe) of their registered voters. There are more independent voters now than ever before.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canada has 3ish major parties but with ebbs and flows we can have up to 4-5. More isn't always better.
Byizo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What sucks is that both parties move us closer to a more tyrannical government every year, and almost every candidate is playing the same game. This year there were two prominent candidates that came from outside this system: Trump, and Bernie. I am not here to argue either of their abilities to lead our country, simply to point out that, at the very least, neither of them were in it to advance the power of the government over the masses.
Funnily enough the American system discourages third parties but that just means its easier to hijack parties, such as the Republican party under Trump where major issues (anti-Russia) flipped flopped.
Phyzzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The main problem here is polarity. If there's an issue there will be two sides to that issue.
Eh, electoral college only works with two parties, unless you want Congress to decide the President or have more wins like 1992 with Perot as a third party and even 2016 with Johnson and Stein taking millions of votes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its the inevitable result of any FPTP system, so start advocating for AV or preferably, STV.
39bears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any kind of better system of government in the US. We have the technology to develop a much better method of decision making for ourselves, and yet we muck around with politicians who represent such narrow interests.
What bothers me about it is that people vote on the letter next to the name and not the policy's. I think it'd be smart to just have to boxes and each is just a list of maybe 5 policy points selected by the candidate, no names, no parties. This would force people to pay attention and really figure out what each candidate represents.
svirbt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I voted libertarian. Even if they don't win but get enough votes (5% I think) then next election cycle they will get more funding. Didn't happen this past election, but hopefully some day. Doesn't matter which party either.
We need a whole new overhaul of the entire Constitution IMHO. Not just another amendment a different operating system for the growing technological language we are developing, not just as a country but a global net of awareness and action.
The death of the two party system here in the States. It's so corrupt that instilling change by the people, for the people, would be a legitimate achievement.
It's more of a cultural problem, but how do you change an entire culture? Because the irony of it is that you have to get everyone to think the same about thinking differently.
Oriolez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But voting third party is just throwing away your vote! /s
I'm sure people would rather contribute to society and make an impact and help lives rather then sweep floors. Hmm I wonder why people join the military if the pay is shit?
I'm sure people would rather contribute to society
You think of people too highly, buddy. Greed and selfishness are some of the reasons corruption exists. Most professionals get a career because it's somehow related to a future salary, not because of vocation. I'm sure sweeping floors is a very nice contribution to society as it helps keeping environments clean and healthy, although it's not as complex as being a doctor, then that's why there's a salary difference between both.
Bottomline is you can't pay the same to such different jobs.
I wonder why people join the military if the pay is shit?
There are other benefits besides payment. And again, it's not as complex as being a doctor, therefore, the payment is lower.
There are 3rd parties but no one votes for them because they have been brainwashed to believe if you don't vote D or R them your vote doesn't matter.
There are more independents then there are Dems and reps combined. But the media is controlled by the Dems and Reps who will not give good press to a 3rd party So all those independents believe they can really only pick from the 2 they see. A perfect example of this is how a 3rd party isn't really allowed to participate in the debates.
If we had a better media system 3rd parties would be a much more viable thing.
mr_ji ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you voted for one of them in the last election, shut the fuck up. You're the problem.
We're the problem for living in the real world? Why would it be better to waste a vote (on a candidate that is garbage)?
mr_ji ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We were going to wind up with a shitty president this cycle no matter what. It was the best time to vote for a third party. Even in losing, if they'd gotten enough of the vote, the two major parties would have to take them and the will of the people more seriously. Instead, too many people drank the Kool Aid and bought into the idea that a vote for them was a vote for the enemy, so here we are with a bad president and an almost certainty the same thing will happen again in 3.25 years. The two parties counted on people not being able to see past then end of their noses and they were right. Thanks for illustrating my point.
Both sides were not the same. That you think there would be a raging dumpster fire in the federal government under Clinton just means you're deluded. There would be good people and good policy in the executive branch.
Nixflyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a third party vote is completely throwing your vote away. In fact, a strong their party only harms their own political power in our voting system. There will always be two parties unless we change our voting system and possibly representation system.
How about a regular (e.g. monthly) poll on the various issues.
Whichever side of an issue has the required % upvotes on yes vs no gets decided.
If the required % is not met, the policymakers need to revise the issue further.
No need for one representative to represent you 100%.
The required % for each issue could vary, e.g if it's an amendment to the Constitution it'd be much higher than 50%.
Global eradication of polio, malaria, measles and rubella.
Reaching a male and female literacy rate of at least 95% in all the world's countries.
Reducing infant mortality rates to at most 10 per 1000 live births in all the world's countries. (So 10 out of every 1000 live born children dies before the age of 5. This is roughly the rate in Argentina today.)
Finding a cure for most types of cancer.
Increasing life expectancy to at least 75 in all the world's countries.
Developing a cheap sustainable energy source like fusion or a cheap form of solar.
A manned mission to Mars.
Decreasing intentional homicide rates to at most 2.5 per 100,000 inhabitants per year in all the world's countries (currently 4.9 in the US).
Exploring another planetary system (unmanned, obviously).
Finding a healthy balance between individual privacy, security and commercial interests (I really wish this one was higher up).
A permanently manned off-world base.
Getting rid of all weapons of mass destruction.
Finding life outside of earth.
Massively extending life expectancy through incredible medical/biological breakthroughs (near biological immortality) or uploading human consciousness into a computer or some such (transhumanism).
What if we get rid of all weapons of mass destruction just before finding life outside of earth and they all want to kill us with weapons of mass destruction ? Let's make a movie to find out !
I don't know how long it takes to make a nuke, maybe put all the nukes in a (really) bug safe that only the UN could open and we can't make anymore nuke.
Michael Bay would turn down that movie, not enough explosion material for him.
Then maybe we're already fucked, every second without finding alien life is another second for them to find us, I hope they'll notice my towel when they come for us.
It would be a movie of humanity essentially looking through its bins to try and find that one weapon of mass destruction that it didn't actually want to throw out
There is evidence to indicate that a reduction in infant mortality rates also causes a reduction in birth rates (although it's definitely not clear cut). See here for more info: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK233807/
First off the title explains very well the scope of the individuals study: "The Relationshp Between Infant and Child Mortality and Fertility: Some Historical and Contemporary Evidence for the United States".
The phrase to be taken from just the title is: SOME historical and CONTEMPORARY evidence for the UNITED STATES.
Good titles are important. Yes, I read the article. I suggest you do too. The title is dead on. There also a nice disclaimer at the end. Also I would enjoy a source for where this is assumed as fact because I already looked thus why I said it is an opinion.
It cites several different studies and takes a more global perspective.
Here's the first paragraph, which is perhaps the most salient:
Infant (and child) mortality is connected with fertility in two ways. Reductions in child mortality used to be regarded as a key trigger for the fertility transition (it reduces the โdemandโ for children by improving the chances of survival to adulthood), and although this is no longer seen as a hard-and-fast causal link, there are analyses that strongly suggest that continuing high rates of infant and child mortality are significant barriers to fertility decline in Sub-Saharan Africa (e.g. Bongaarts 2008). Causation also runs in the other direction, as reductions in fertility contribute to falls in infant mortality by enabling parents to devote more time and resources to their children.
So again, there is almost certainly a connection, but it's not as clear cut as simply saying that reducing infant mortality rates automatically leads to lower birth rates.
awe778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War will always be there, because war, war never changes.
Exploring another planetary system should be at the bottom if we're talking in our lifetime. Simple relativity states it will take at least 8 years. Probably 20. That's if we launched today. Even with project starshot we would get very limited information back, possibly not even pictures. Plus the laser tech required for project starshot is still out of reach of our current technology, it's just within a couple orders of magnitude.
Of course, it depends on how old you are. But 20 years to develop the technology, 20 years for it to become affordable and to build up political will, and 20 years for the mission itself doesn't seem entirely unreasonable. That's 60 years, which would be within the life time of young people today. And yes, I was talking about something akin to the Starshot programme -- certainly very limited in scope.
Also notice it's pretty far down the list. Anyway, this is just my personal gut feeling. If you think it is less likely than some of the things lower down on the list, you may very well be right.
Well we were close...then those crazy moms who think a dead child is better than an autistic one (vaccines don't cause autism!!!!) came around and started their movement...and now we have measles outbreaks again...
JXG88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the middle east as well conservative religious types think the vaccines for polio etc contain brain controlling nanobots all part of the zionist/crusader agenda. It didn't help with Bin Laden's compound being staked out under the guise of a polio vaccination program.
Actually we need weapons of mass destruction, they prevent so many wars. They are one of the main reasons there haven't been many major wars in Europe since the Cold War
Also we might need them to stop giant meteors from hitting the earth. I hope we are ready when this eventually happens because so far politics are ignoring this real threat to humanity.
That comment is so weird to read. Only a roll of dice prevented this world from being a nuclear wasteland right now, thanks to the very same weapons of mass destruction.
I think a manned mission should be 1 or 2. Trump and Musk are both pretty for that. And of all people on Earth I would say the President of the United States (regardless of who he is at the time) is the most likely to make that happen, especially if cooperating with musk.
Morlaak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely higher than the cure for cancer in the realm of feasibility. We know how to get to Mars at least, we just don't care enough to do it.
It's not just about complexity, it's also about how much we're willing to invest in it as humanity. We've been talking about manned missions to Mars for the last 60 years, but there haven't been any realistic plans because no one cares enough. Honestly, there's no real benefit beyond prestige, at least in the short run. Finding cures to cancers is something which many people (rightly) consider hugely important. As such, there are tons of people working on it, and there is a lot of investment in that area. Plus, we have already made great strides. Look up the survival rates for skin cancer or breast cancer for example. All things considered, those actually look really good. And they didn't used to.
I am one of those people working on it. While there are incremental advancements across the board (with some exceptions), curative outcomes for metastatic malignancies is exceptionally rare. While we will increase survival curves, but truest form of "cure" will be tough to come by. Even if patients have no radiographic traces, we still have to keep them on low-dose regimen to keep the few billion cells in check. I wouldn't consider that "cure" because they can also mutate and become a tougher sucker to nail.
Getting to mars, in my view, seems more likely. One of the reason is because of SpaceX. It seems that they have more motive and a financial stake in such a success. At the end of the day, space travel consists of a series of problems that can be solved with more brains and money (for the most part). We already have a decent lay of groundwork regarding space travel. Oncology isn't quite the same - adding more money and hours CAN lead to a better direction, however, there are much less grantees. In fact, there are far more failures than success. Even then, the success isn't usually "cure". I should specify, we can cure cancer in many diseases as long as they are in earlier stages and localized. We can radiate the sucker (many clever ways to deliver payload) or excise it. Sometimes, a combination of chemo/radiation and then surgery. But for vast majority of these cases, the true gem is early detection. I think we can get better at early detection and prevent cancer from becoming life threatening. If you call that a cure, then yes, that is feasible. Still....so many different variables at play.
Thank you for writing such a detailed reply! I'm obviously very happy to be corrected by someone who actually knows what they're talking about. It's unfortunate to hear that I might have been a bit too optimistic about our chances of dealing with this disease. That being said, if we can prevent cancer from becoming life threatening (at least in most cases), than that's obviously a major win.
If it makes you feel any better, I saw a patient 2-3months ago with metastatic pancreatic cancer that went from large distal mass all over lungs/liver to nada. Could not see a damn thing on the CT. Didn't believe it. Had the radiologist re-read the scan. While the patient still isn't "cured", everyone are cautiously optimistic. Unfortunately, that drug will likely not pass for further testing bc vast majority of people could not tolerate it (nearly killed that patient too). Oftentimes, it is a fine balance between killing the tumor or killing normal tissue + a ton of unfortunate side-effects. Regardless, it was literally one of the best feeling in the world. The patient got super lucky and it does give hope. I would be happy to eat my own words if/when we do find such cures and shed a tear of joy.
Fraerie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'm hoping for a post-scarcity economy. It will be required for many of the things on your list to become a reality due to the long term nature of the benefits (current economic models are too short term to fund them).
Reducing infant mortality rates to at most 10 per 1000 live births in all the world's countries. (So 10 out of every 1000 live born children dies before the age of 5. This is roughly the rate in Argentina today.)
Just a small issue, but why 10 ? It seems rather high, the European average is like 4. And that's with relatively poor countries like Bulgaria included in the average. Hell, the average of Cuba is 4.5 and it's a pretty poor country.
Well, the exact number was mostly just pulled from thin air. But basically, it would mean that all countries would have an infant mortality rate similar to fairly developed countries today. If they can get to that point, it will probably continue to fall. Also, note that some very developed countries have rates higher than 4. For example, the rate in the UK is 4.2, in the US it's around 6.
Morlaak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cuba is an outlier example given their health system. Other Caribbean countries have higher rates (Nicaragua has 19 in 1000, for example)
Still, I agree that we can set the bar a bit higher than that.
rokyfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting that you placed something between finding life and finding intelligent life.
Unintelligent life might still exist in our solar system. In the subterranean oceans of Europa for example. Intelligent life in our solar system is basically impossible -- we would have found it by now. Finding life outside of our solar system is much, much harder than inside our solar system, for obvious logistical reasons. So that's why I rate one as more likely than the other.
rokyfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah fair enough. I didn't see how we could be sure intelligent life is so much less likely but I guess within our own solar system that does make sense.
Dhljoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to mars should be at the top cause that's 100% happening. By 2050 a lot of missions will be made. NASA has plans by whatever time and then multiple private corporations have been planning missions to mars for years.
I did. But several people, including at least one expert have already pointed out to me that that's probably nonsense. Not sure how to feel about that..
Extending life, reducing death is mostly what I see. The population would explode and there would be too many โold peopleโ for sustainability. We need things like permits for babies etc etc before we massively extend human lives
wow, but what do we do about all these extra people living way too long when its tough to get a job as it is? if youre gonna make a list, this is way too unbalanced of a set of concerns. the world doesnt have the ability to support the amount of human parasites this would create.
I like your list but I'd like to add right next to"cure for cancer" an extension: "cure for chronic illness of which the genes are identifiable" Or simply put, improved and complete gene therapy. Without the GATTACA classism.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although all of these are unlikely, they are attainable in some capacity rather than "Achieve immortality, cure cancer, end all war."
So, even where you have the chance to be completely speculative, you only want to cure some types of cancer? What cancer are you supporting? You monster.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global eradication of polio, malaria, measles and rubella.
Unfortunately this shouldn't be at the top of your list as most likely. We're seeing a resurgence of a small kind of measles due to the anti-vaxxer crowd :/
Add outgrow primitive myths that encourage "believers" the fear and/or outright loathing of those "not like" the believers and we're in sync.
ArcRust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should read "case for mars", basically the author shows how it is a lot easier to get to Mars than you think. We have all of the technology and even plans to do it now. The only hard part is getting people to back it. Politics is what's getting In the way of a manned mission to Mars.
I think it's at least more likely than a cure for cancer, as far as your list goes
Massively extending life expectancy through incredible medical/biological breakthroughs (near biological immortality) or uploading human consciousness into a computer or some such (transhumanism).
Call me selfish but this is what i want, with a good quality of life.
We are very close to eradicating polio. It's now omly endemic in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Taliban have threatened vaccination efforts, though...but it is attainable, although maybe not until the area stabilizes long enough.
Pro for
1. Massively extending life expectancy through incredible medical/biological breakthroughs (near biological immortality) or uploading human consciousness into a computer or some such (transhumanism).
2. Finding intelligent life outside of earth.
I like all of those things and then wonder if we have to have the Mars station set up first? With what you are saying Overpopulation would ruin the world within a few decades. No one dying until 75, no diseases or murders etc. there would be no food or fresh water for anyone.
Yeah, so we should just let people die right? That's totally moral. In fact, we should probably drop a few nukes on India to reduce overpopulation. It's only the right thing to do.
The definition has changed though. And I believe much of the change came post-song.
Irony used to be working towards a specific goal, but accomplishing the exact opposite. That started changing in the mid-90's and her song was part of the fuel, I am sure. But it was used incorrectly long before that and is mainly due to filmmakers and writers not using it correctly which leads to the general populace misusing it.
The definition changed cause it was misused for so long that common perception had changed. This misperception is probably what guided her in writing the song.
Gramage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the slowly changing uses of words is literally how languages evolve. ;D
I'm not. If I expect someone to give me a ride home for free, I don't call a taxi and pay for it. You (generally) don't plan your wedding on a day you expect it to rain.
Just because it is also undesirable does not mean it isn't unexpected.
There's an understanding that you can't control the weather (at least most reasonable people acknowledge that) and with weddings being scheduled months in advance, it's really hard to have any true expectation...we don't want it to, we imagine it won't, but it should not be a true "expectation"...timelines matter with something like a wedding
Dude, you are trying too hard to be right in a situation in which you are not right. I get where you're coming from, that not every one of the lyrics are pure ironies, but they are ironic. There is a reason that the song got through a bunch of editors and onto a record, they looked up the definition and knew the common usage and said, "yup, pretty ironic for 90% of the lyrics, and the rest are needed to rhyme, good enough."
People trying to pull apart the song for not being ironic clearly haven't looked at the definition, or have not looked at enough use cases.
You're falling victim to the logical fallacy of "it can't be wrong because someone would have caught it if it was, so it has to be right" which just isn't true...again I disagree with your original statement and your supporting arguments, just because you say it's so, doesn't mean it is, and your taxi metaphor was weak (no offense), again; irony has a definition, many of her situations described do not meet that definition; you can argue that THAT scenario is ironic because you expect a song allegedly about irony to be ironic, which because it isn't, is actually ironic (very meta) but rain on a wedding day or meeting people you feel are perfect mates only to find out they're already committed....not irony
Also the "trying too hard" part of your comment; very condescending, try to work on that because it does not further the discourse and is actually a tactic most people take when trying to shut down discussion and act like an asshole (see: Trump), don't be dismissive, nobody likes that
Alright, I'll just answer all three of your comments here. Yes, I would have committed "logical fallacy" had this been a lincoln-douglas debate, but in reality, I was using a common sense appeal in conjunction with my other arguements. My taxi reference wasn't weak, it's a line of the song and it is, in fact, an example of Irony as I previously described it.
I was also very aware that I was being dismissive. That was on purpose. You see, you have offered no counter-arguement or evidence for your support. You have provided no definition, so I would extend my definition through. Your only argument seems to be that it is your opinion that those examples do not fit the criteria of my definition, and there is no use continuing to argue with someone who won't take anything but their own opinions as truth.
As for your "New York Times article", a NYT blog post in their arts section hardly qualifies as journalism. It is, in fact, more of an opinion piece. Like your entire argument, it is entirely subjective and shouldn't be used as evidence, mostly because all it seems to prove is that with 12 hours between my responses, this was the best evidence you could find, which says more for you being wrong, than for you being right.
If you're going to take this much time arguing on the internet, at least try to debate well. I probably won't respond to any other comments unless they are actually reasoned arguements. Bye.
We'll have the crashproof, bulletproof, explosionproof cars from GTA: San Andreas? Sounds great as long as we don't have to pull off ridiculous hijinks involving tow trucks and stealing from drug lords in order to have them.
Lost4468 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't. There's plenty of crashes that just cannot be avoided. A tire blows out on a large vehicle and crashes into you. A pedestrian trips and falls into the road just as your car drives past. The sensors on a self-driving car are temporarily blinded.
There's plenty of unavoidable crashes, where even if you're driving perfectly and can react instantly it won't matter.
Use magnetic road and wheels to make the autocars hover above the road at great speeds. Use brain chips to sense when someone's about to fall into a dangerous position and deploy the force fields on the side of the road.
Neato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Computers are faster than that. Don't even need the brain chips. Sense when a person is entering the edge of the roadway and energize the force fields to repel with a force comparable to the amount of momentum the person is entering with (so you don't throw a child across the park while still repelling a sprinting suicidal person).
I had the neural link "Black Box" installed last weak. There is always a perfect copy of my mind on standby, updated every 30 seconds. In case I die by accident. Eternal bliss in virtual reality awaits with the option of flesh-puppet vacation irl every 6 months for three weeks.
Either replication or reassembly. If somehow forensic science advances to a point that you can reassemble a person and their brain from a pile of ash or pink mist...
Also even with the "another bot, please!" method, you still need some way to capture the state of their brain satisfactorily(?) close to their death.
Specifically affordable immortality - no use to me if it's only available to the wealthiest 0.1%
Flynn58 ยท 716 points ยท Posted at 12:41:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly wouldn't worry too much about that. If immortality was only available for the elite of the elite, there would be riots in the streets.
What's far more likely is that immortality will be available in terms of maintenance treatment that most people can afford, through loans or otherwise, such like a home. The only people left behind would be the poorest of the poor, whom would essentially just be a slave class we treat as inhuman and breed as cattle.
Evil is best delivered on a stable basis when it's done to the poor, since we don't care about them.
WlNST0N ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 13:20:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marand23 ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 14:24:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think that would be the point where people riot in the streets? The top 1% in the world own as much as the rest 99% combined (as of jan, 2016. It is probably worse now). The top 62 individuals own as much as the poorest 50% of the world combined. Wouldn't the time for riots have come and gone by now? Wouldn't immortality just be the icing of the already incredibly massive cake that the wealthiest keep to themselves, unopposed?
[deleted] ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 14:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People won't riot as long as the are not hungry.
Those of us in the US won't even riot for regular health care that can keep people alive from regular diseases.
Humans don't riot for pie-in-the-sky things, for long-term goals. They riot for things that affect them NOW. Lack of money, lack of food or water, those sorts of things.
That's why "bread and circuses" work. Individuals can look at long-term goals, but humans as a population of individuals don't move on those things.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Marand23 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:08:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see the difference. I just don't think people will riot over it. The ones who are relatively well off will shake their heads enviously like they do now, and keep living their relatively comfortable lives. The ones who are too poor to live comfortably won't have time to notice, they will be strugling to survive, like they do now. I don't think this is the line. Unless it's a relatively inexpensive procedure, which the super rich are keeping to themselves. Then the streets would burn.
CTHABH ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:31:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're comparing money to immortality, just saying.
Kebble ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
through loans or otherwise, such like a home
yeah i mean if immortality costs $50M but I'd be able to work forever then a bank would have problem mortgaging that shit to me over the next 1500 years or something
but then again idk if I'd wanna work forever so it's hard to say
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:45:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kebble ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but at the same time, how would the bank foreclose on your immortality?
afoxian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rapid onset cranial lead poisoning, I imagine.
-NVLL- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are already some movies made about this kind of future.
KMustard ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We won't need slaves. By the time we defeat the aging process (and cancer, basically the longer you live the more likely you are of getting cancer no matter how healthy you are) robots will be doing most labor. There won't be a need for a slave class. That said, the top 1% might consider the rest of us as unnecessary and do away with us instead of sharing their wealth.
I think that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Humans will prioritize themselves no matter what. It's self-preservation. That said, robots will always be more efficient at labor than human beings. Even in an AI dominated world they would still use machines to run everything rather than enslaving a species that needs food, water, rest and is generally useless in their first 10 or so years of existence.
Is it really not different from old slavery? On a basic level yes, we'd be offloading all of our work onto the machines. But the machines aren't like us at all. An AI doesn't need to perceive basic labor as effort intense work because that labor is executed by specialized hardware. Working off of software scripts, running these tasks is basically the same as breathing for us. And there would be no need to build something like a complicated nervous system into a machine either. It's unnecessary. All the painful dreadful parts of slavery that people endured long ago can't be considered equivalent to what an AI has to do to keep the wheels turning.
Actually the idea that each robot has a consciousness is probably inaccurate. A highly advanced AI will operate independent of hardware (i.e. it could transfer its consciousness between computers). A single AI could run an entire factory by itself without even really thinking about it.
Anyway this is hilariously off topic at this point and I don't even know what I'm saying anymore.
I hope they also invent a way to remove the part of the brain that creates empathy so I can take full advantage of this whole slavery thing.
Timwi ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:07:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans have had that part of their brains for hundreds of thousands of years and saw no issue with slavery until a few hundred years ago. You can do it!
Invent? That already exists, it's called psychopathy, and you can already see it at work in a significant percentage of politicians and business leaders.
Just stop feeling bad for the worthless peasants beneath you. If they didn't want to be peasants, they would've chosen to be born to a richer family.
Ralath0n ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trick is to dehumanize the poor and trick yourself into thinking its their own fault. Once you accept that they are lowlife scum, draining precious resources from our glorious country, THEN you can start a business and exploit the desperate suckers for all they're worth.
Don't forget to vote to deregulate the economy and break down social safety nets! After all, those lazy bums should just get a job just like you did! (/s obviously)
You can't really develop psychopathy/sociopathy though, both of which are terms to refer to people with antisocial personality disorder. Most people are born with it. Also I'm willing to bet a majority of those politicians and business leaders are not actual psychopaths, just self absorbed assholes who are willing to exploit the poor. When you rise to the level of wealth and influence that those people have, it's pretty easy to lose your morals.
They aren't different things though. Psychopathy and sociopathy are not even actual disorders listed in the DSM-V, they are just terms used to describe people who exhibit certain behaviors of ASPD.
The thing is people use the terms so loosely nowadays that they've become super ambiguous as to what they really mean.
leyxk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they aren't different things. Psychopaths and sociopaths are people who are/could be clinically diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. Technically (or medically) speaking. Sometimes when argument narture vs nurture is used, it's said psychopaths are born and sociopaths are "created". Or that psychopats are less impulsive, more cold blooded high functioning type while sociopaths are impulsive, violent... I think this is how psychology differentiates them, in psychiatry they're both antisocal personality disorder.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:55:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Empathy? Sounds like you should just stick to being a slave.
Whit3y ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:55:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll just build a city in higher orbit and keep it to themselves.
I mean there's all sorts of things to consider with immortality, but if I'm a bank loaning a 55 year old woman a million dollars to buy the immortality serum/treatment/whatever, she has the rest of her life (ha) to pay me back. Hell, the banks don't even need to be making loans, the immortality company themselves can offer a variety of payment plans. Maybe not even paying with money but with a contract saying you'll work for them for 5 years after you're treated, etc.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:26:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ar-_0 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:06:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because in a conversation about the rich subverting death, the example used was a man who's actually dead, but that was unknown to the original poster thus making it ironic
Raregan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:49:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If immortality was only available for the elite of the elite, there would be riots in the streets.
Why?
In America people already die of curable diseases because they don't have the money to pay for treatment, and there aren't any riots or big desire to overthrow the system.
Lumpyguy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because most people think "I'm probably not gonna get sick and die like that." so they don't care as long as they're healthy, but everyone knows they absolutely will die eventually.
Maybe getting sick is an uncertainty, dying is an absolute fact.
Ehh. It really depends on your imagined scenario. I would imagine if a prohibitively expensive cure for death was discovered it would take 20 years before people realized "Hey these old rich people aren't dying anymore."
What's far more likely is that immortality will be available in terms of maintenance treatment that most people can afford, through loans or otherwise, such like a home.
I can already see monthly plans for that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like most people can afford the cost of $30,000 outpatient knee surgery or a $4000 ER visit? or a different type of afford?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be only available to the elites, and you won't even realize it.
Similar to how those with money can afford good healthcare.
My grandmother is on 9 different drugs, and has a team of doctors she consults about her health.
She's doing very well at 93. I know not everyone can afford this, but couple that with the luxury of her home, and peace she feels, and she's already living longer mainly because of funds.
Now she's no billionaire, but if "immortality" is procured, it'll be subtle, people will be aging slower, and be well into their old age.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slaves aren't even productive for prosperity so I doubt that we will ever return to the slave model.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ralath0n ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:34:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If immortality was within reach, but someone was preventing you from getting it though...
I mean lets analyze the outcomes here: You lose: You die a few years sooner than you otherwise would. You win: Immortality. The payoff is worth the risk.
What's far more likely is that immortality will be is available in terms of maintenance treatment that most only the most elite of lizard people can afford, through loans or otherwise, such like a home. The only people left behind would be who die are the poorest of the poor, whom would are essentially just be a slave class we treat as inhuman and breed as cattle.
There could be something already invented and we wouldn't know. How would we ever find out?
Neato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the poorest of the poor, whom would essentially just be a slave class we treat as inhuman and breed as cattle.
I feel like it would be cheaper in raising and training this cattle-class to give them immortality but create a type of indenturship (indenturtude?) for a period of time to offset the cost.
The first generation might riot, maybe even their children. Eventually they will get back to work servicing their immortal God's.
Mharbles ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine immortality and a post-scarcity economy would arrive pretty close to each other. We're already seeing it with renewable energy and the continuing increase in automation making lives easier and cheaper. Even now the modern 'poor' have most their basic needs met, except one of the most important ones; having a purpose. Which is why I imagine is a cause for the huge increase in opiates and other means a psudo-happiness. With nothing to live for everyone's all hopped up on drugs.
Socialism is the solution. EAT THE RICH, and they can't hoard technology.
Krowki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if we cant afford it during the transition stage (before, I assume, productivity goes up because of longer lifespand because of the redistribution of wealth/tech) society collapses, and we have previously mined earth too deep for a post collapse society to ever attain our level of advancement?
If you're immortal, just sign up for our easy repayment plan for the next 200 years. I mean, 100-year bonds are already a thing. I don't think Barclay's is going to bat an eye at extending credit to a functional immortal for a few hundred years.
sturmeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch "In Time" if you haven't already, really interesting movie that plays on that concept.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no because they are stupid money hungry capitalists. First thing they will do is patent the shit out of that to insure money, so the recipe will be out there first.
second thing is they would want to sell you that shit 'cause money.
capitalists will sell the ropes to hung them :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. However, it is likely that at the outset of the immortality technology, only that wealthiest 0.1% will be able to obtain it (just like almost every major breakthrough throughout history). What we'll need is the Henry Ford of the immortality technology to come along quickly.
Kharn0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell I'll take "we can stop/reverse collagen degradation" aka firm, youthful bodies for everyone!
Something almost everyone would want is bound to become affordable sooner or later. Like they would ever be able to copyright such a thing and make people follow such laws. The war on drugs would be nothing compared to that.
bookant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, we'll make it accessible to everyone with a healthy mix of free market reforms like letting immortality clinics operate across state lines and tort reform to limit immortality malpractice suits.
Don't get too hung up on that. Most likely it will be a ridiculously expensive when introduced. Within a decade or so, it become a mass market commodity just like computers were and a human right to boot.
bestem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's this book series by Kage Baker, the Company series.
Immortality exists, but it's extremely costly. Oh, and it can only be done on the very young. So even if you had enough money to afford it, you still couldn't become immortal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's obvious people would go around stealing it if it's edible or drinkable.
In warhammer 40k, humans are technologically retarded. We're barely able to stay in space. Nothing new is made, because that's heresy. If some idiot farmer comes up with a better way to harvest crops, the inquisition kills him and claims the technology was rediscovered.
You know who lives in giant towers leading mildly shitty, but still comfortable lives? The rich. You know who has to walk through acid rain to get to their menial factory job so they can pay for drugs? The poor.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get a pig heart, lungs, bowels and liver for 2000 each.
The upper 1% believe they are purer because they can afford printed organs from their own genetically modified cells but in the end it doesn't really matter. It's just as much a retarded waste of money as iceberg water, buying bottled air or believing food was better/healthier because there is "Bio" printed on it.
Kijafa ยท 682 points ยท Posted at 12:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like, "my body never ages" immortality or "I uploaded my consciousness into a cyborg body" immortality. Because one of those two sounds more likely to me.
Which sounds more likely to you? We have no idea about the nature or source of consciousness or how it can be transferred, so the "my body never ages" type actually sounds more likely to me.
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ponch653 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But at that point, a copied consciousness is only immortality in the sense of "I've created a new person that could very well be immortal. He just happens to share my knowledge, memories and personality at the point of his 'birth'. I'm still sitting here in my body and will still end up dying in a hospital bed some day."
This concept was explored in that game SOMA that came out a ways back. Like, cool! We did what we set out to do. A copy of my consciousness has been uploaded to live forever in a digital paradise. Oh, shit. I'm still stuck alone at the bottom of the ocean.
Call me selfish, but I would prefer my immortality to be more inclusive of the original me that I'm currently experiencing life through.
But the uploaded you is you and gets to enjoy immortality. You literally succeed at your goal of immortality from your point of view....and some other guy with your same memories also goes on to die in his vulnerable meatsack.
Both are true so it's a strange version of Schrรถdinger's cat. You are both immortal and mortal until the mortal version dies of course.
JCelsius ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But "me" as in my consciousness rather than my memories and knowledge, would cease to be. I want immortal consciousness, not a meat bag replica.
Yeah, Ship of Theseus the upload. Seems like the obvious solution - do the copying slowly enough via upgrades to your brain that you smoothly transition to being cybernetic
Shouldn't be a huge jump from the initial hard part of figuring out how to upload a mind
Your perception would still be fixed to your (original, current, dying) body, though. For you, it's not a schrodinger's cat situation. For other you it wouldn't be, either. It would only be that way for third parties.
Half correct, your perception would be duplicated so one of your perceptions succeeded in immortality and one of you did not. I find this to be a much much better deal than all instances of me being permanently erased.
Well the two duplicates don't share a single perception and will diverge after the moment of duplication. But at that moment both the mortal and immortal 'you' will have the same experiences, memories, and past so both are functionally 'you' by all definitions.
From there things diverge, so your two selves will develop independently. One will remember that day as the day a mortal clone of them was created, AND the day they became immortal. While the other clone remembers that as the day as the day they gained an immortal clone and nothing else changed.
Since at the moment of duplication Iclone was otherwise exactly the same as Mclone both have the rights to claim being the 'real' one. So one of the 'real' 'you' gained immortality. Which is pretty awesome.
Explained another way, if the mortal clone were killed and cremated before the immortal one woke up from the transfer, then from your perspective, you went in for a fun immortality treatment, they put you to sleep and it worked you woke up immortal with all your 'youness' 100% intact.
Me personally I'm waiting for the technology to 3d print exact copies of yourself on far away planets. Immortality is a sketchy concept, but getting good enough at making copies seems like it may only be a matter of time to get right. This way I get to stay home with my loved ones, AND go pioneer the exploration and colonization of distant planets at the speed of light. The multiple copies would never be able to meet so there is no weird clone ethics (ideally, if you can beam a clone to alpha centauri, you can beam a clone to next door too, and that gets into some of the more insane and ethically questionable regions of sci-fi).
Anyways a fun thought experiment, a third way to think about it is if you could help a long lost twin brother gain immortality, but gain nothing yourself in return, would you?
That limits all possible definitions of 'you' to experience, memory, and past, though. It also assumes that two identical things are the same thing, especially when there will at least be some spatial differentiation at the moment of divergence, if not the fact that one is distinctly biological and one isn't. There's nothing explicitly wrong with that, mind, I just can't see how that is a given.
The last paragraph is tricky. It's either a no-brainer (if we assume immortality is good or awful), or dependent on so many factors I'd be intimidated by the prospect. It's a very different circumstance than the other scenario, if only in that you don't create your brother in order to give him immortality, but, at face value, I think I'd hard-pass on giving anyone true immortality because that sounds like an awful thing to do to someone. It would be different if there were voluntary self-termination and at least one means of involuntary termination. So, if we count heat-death and can self-delete, hell yeah, immortality all around.
So if you hypothetically made an identical clone of yourself, same in every way, memories, experiences, number of bacteria on your skin, each biologically and mentally identical. How could say which one is the 'you'? Go to sleep as one you, wake up as two. Its a fallacy to ask which one is the 'real you' because you both are the same. This would obviously cause tremendous chaos in your life since you still would only have one house/wife/family etc and both of you would want to go back to living your old life, because it is 'yours'
Could muddy the waters one step further and make two identical clones while making the true 'original' disappear. Both would have equal opportunity to claim 'youness'
Back to the original topic of immortality, what if the process knowingly destroyed the original, and recreated both the mortal and immortal copies of you. Yes they may be distinctly different by one being immortal and one not, and that will change the future choices/decisions they make but neither could claim to be the original, and both have the same claim on identity. Functionally 'you' became immortal AND 'you' did not.
Discussing this topic has made me realize, I am comfortable with the concept of human cloning, as long as the clones are not allowed to live on the same planet.
That first paragraph where you point out a perceived fallacy is, itself, a fallacy. Specifically, begging the question. Because asking is only a fallacy when you've decided in advance that the two are the same even though that's more or less the item under question. Even in the hypothetical we're constructing, you start out with a difference between them- they're in different places.
They are different in that they have different divergent futures. That is true, at that split second of two ness before divergence can occur they are functionally the same self with the same rights to 'their' past as their clone. After that they become different people but they both were the same you for a moment.
awe778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Call me selfish, but I would prefer my immortality to be more inclusive of the original me that I'm currently experiencing life through.
As long as this new person will do what I will do if I were to be immortal, I will be happy knowing that my goals and desires will be advanced by this person. shoots self
Only if you copied all at once. A gradual transfer would keep you, well you, and not leave one biological copy and one digital. Every day, 0.1% of your neurons are scanned and replaced by digital neurons, while the biological ones were turned off. You would never stop thinking, you would just continue to grow smarter and smarter until you hit 100% and had no need of a body. There would never be a "you" left behind to die.
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 14:11:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Cruces13 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 14:21:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You arent the same physical cells that you were last year. Does that mean you die all the time? This is the identity problem and the solution isnt as simple as you make it out to be
jewchbag ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 14:34:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I learned anything about this topic in my intro philosophy class last year it's that I'm better off not thinking about this topic for my sanity
The real discovery is the one which enables me to stop doing philosophy when I want to. The one that gives philosophy peace, so that it is no longer tormented by questions which bring itself into question.
โ Ludwig Wittgenstein, my favourite philosopher.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I also learned never to take a philosophy class again.
Which suggests that any transfer would have to be gradual. That the receiving 'brain' would have to take over in stages so we could confirm that the original consciousness was still alive along the way, because that's the only way I see it being possible.
A suddenly transferred consciousness would not only act exactly like the original, but would also insist it WAS the original consciousness. If the original was dead, there would be absolutely no way to tell, no question you could ask, no answer that could be given.
Makes you wonder what happens to "you" if you get knocked out (ie: full frontal lobe function loss). However temporary it is, could it be considered a continuity interrupt in the algorithm? Is our specific consciousness derived from the continuity of the algorithm, or is the same algorithm running on the same hardware enough to maintain one's existence of self?
armrha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, in certain cycles of sleep you are basically just a respirating pile of meat. Even if you argue you are still in there somewhere, it's impossible for you to prove it. Deep barbiturate coma or hypothermia can put people at zero brain activity at all, but they can come out seemingly undamaged. If you remaining continuous is important to being alive, you'd probably argue those people are dead and we should enact their wills. I think continuity of consciousness is just a useful illusion, keeping us getting up day after day even though in a practical way we're "dying" all the time. I feel like anything else is just wishful thinking giving supernatural meaning to how we work. Magical reasoning that somehow makes the you whonis reading it more special.
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armrha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing is consciousness is the only thing that makes you have any 'continuity' at all. Consciousness undeniably goes away when sleeping, though there are degrees. In REM sleep, your brain is very active, but is the 'you' in dreams even actually 'you'? You seem to act very differently in dreams and not have access to information you should have. You are diminished or changed in some way. And when you wake up, that version of you is dead.
Then in other deep parts of sleep you are difficult to stir even with outside interference. The brain might still have some kind of activity, but nobody could say that activity is 'you', the you that answers questions, responds to stimuli, etc, until the stimuli is enough to make your consciousness load up.
armrha ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:08:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gradual or sudden is basically the same thing. Continuity of consciousness makes no sense, it's just some kind of helpful illusion. Whether you migrated in nanoseconds or minutes really makes no difference. If continuity of consciousness was real we'd already be dying every night when we go to sleep and our brains age and change before we wake up. If you chopped out and replaced 30% of that sleeping dude's brain with a perfect duplicate he'd certainly have no idea about it.
This is the best viewpoint IMO, although a lot of people really struggle to understand it. Also, Hilary Putman's "Functionalism" is basically the foundation of this way of thinking.
Death is tragic primarily because people are irreplaceable and it represents an absolutely enormous loss of irreplaceable information. But the locality of which physical implementation holds a person's memories is largely irrelevant to me. If I could make "back up copies" of myself or loved ones, it's a viable solution.
And this right here is why when I write sci-fi, conciousness has a unique carrier particle. Since wherever that is, is the only viable copy of a mind.
lymn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:51:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because original and copy are not metaphysically real categories. If you copy something truely identically there is no way to determine which is the original because there is no fact of the matter. There is no original.
If you're already convinced that the consciousness is exactly qualitatively like the "original" there is no further information, humanely accessible or not, about whether it's the same person.
People's intuition on this question really shows how deeply rooted the idea of a soul is
By "no original" do you mean that the copy has no original because it is its own original? If you do or do not destroy the original, does that, in your opinion, have any meaningful impact on either entity?
lymn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By "no original" do you mean that the copy has no original because it is its own original?
No. I mean that there is no fact of originality beyond exact similarity. If after finding out that before and after are exactly qualitatively the same, you are wondering "But is it the original?," you are not asking a real question. You are making a distinction with no basis in reality..
If you do or do not destroy the original, does that, in your opinion, have any meaningful impact on either entity?
If the replication is not destructive, then both are the "original" and both are the "copy"
I think the real question as far as teleportation goes isn't ''which one is the original'', as i agree with you that it's an empty one. What, I believe, most people mean to say when asking that question is more along the lines of ''Does the stream of awareness of the teleported person resume awareness on the other side of the gate or is that stream stopped when the person disintegrates?'' The fact that a person identical to you with all your memories steps out at alpha centauri means nothing. They want to know that it's not just indistinguishable to you, but that the ''original'' you didn't just basically die.
What would, for you, be the difference between a conscience that behaves exactly like the original and one that "is" the original?
Also, what would it mean for you for a conscience to be "dead"? is our conscience from a year, or a millisecond ago alive, even though that exact pattern of thhoughts and feelings doesn't exist anymore? if yes, are the facts that its bodily support shares some of the same atoms, or that one state has been reached from the other in a semi-continuous sequence, significant for that?
Not asking rhetorically; I'm materialistic, so I understand consciousness or identity as just an electrochemical pattern in a brain, that can theoretically just be copied, forked or freezed without problem, but there are many ways to look at this issue (which I find fascinating).
Well the most pertinent issue for me, especially if I was the subject, is would I still be me?
To the rest of the world a perfect copy of me would still be me, but from my own perspective, would I be me? Would I instead be dead with some xerox of me walking about like everything is fine?
I can see the logic in saying that if you can perfectly copy someone, then surely that would still be you. But then if you copied yourself and the original remains, you surely don't get to see out of both sets of eyes do you? So if not, the new you is only you from an external point of view.
The reason I think a gradual process may work is in part due to the fact that we have cells die and be replaced throughout our bodies throughout our lives and we are still us. This implies that as long as the majority of the brain remains, you could replace part of it with a new part and the rest of the brain, the consciousness, would adapt to that and survive. So if we were able to break down the brain into sections that could be replaced bit by bit, this might work.
Obviously this is just conjecture. It really is fascinating to think on
This makes complete sense, from a perspective where we assume that the "self" is unique and continuous, and its existence is dependant on the bodily support always remaining at least partially, in order to be able to define an "original" through that attribute.
An alternative perspective would be a materialistic one where we don't conceive the "self" as necessarily unique (but as no more than a simple pattern), so the concept of "original" wouldn't apply, and we would just have an instant in time where one pattern of consciousness is running on a body, followed by another one where that same pattern would be running on a different body (or multiple ones!).
Following from the previous cloning situation (with identity understood as not unique), if we conceived the "self" as continuous, the answer to your question would be that both bodies would be "me" as forks from the same original line in time (even though from that point on the two people calling themselves my name would start their own different paths). Otherwise, with no continuity of the self, the answer would be that neither would be "me", as after an instant they would both hold a slightly different pattern than the "me" before cloning (which itself only existed for an infinitesimal amount of time).
Then maybe the most fascinating thing of all would be that the physical world would behave in exactly the same ways across all of those radically different understandings of "identity", with the only difference being the words we are now using to describe them.
Most of your neurons grew before you were born, and will be with you until the day you die. Your cerebral cortex is made up of the same physical cells you were made of last year.
They don't replace themselves with new growth. You have the same neurons you had last year, and the year before, and all the way back to your birth. This fact is speculated to be the reason we have persistence in our consciousness.
There is a certain amount of regeneration and cellular growth happening in your skull. Glia cells divide and grow all the time, and they make up about half of the mass of your brain. Unfortunately, Glia cells are connective tissue - more of a glue than a memory storage facility. As you live your life, those glia cells hold together the aging neurons. The neurons themselves are never replaced with fresh new neurons.
There is some talk of neurogenesis (regrowth/renewal of neurons) happening in certain parts of our brain (such as the hippocampus). At best, in a human brain this process is incredibly limited and certainly doesn't represent full replacement. Neurons in your cerebral cortex, for example, are never renewed.
Interestingly enough, heart muscle cells are also with you for life. I always thought that was a fun fact...
Now... if you want to argue that everything is physically changing at a more base level... there is some experimental data that suggests the atoms that make up your body are continually replaced. The largest piece of that equation is water - our body is largely made of water, and the water in your body is continually being renewed and changed. Individual atoms in cells can also change, but the speed with which that happens varies depending on what part of your body you're talking about. If you imagine a sand castle is a cell, it's the equivalent of carefully replacing one grain of sand on that castle. As a whole, the castle remains functionally identical to what it was prior to the replacement of that grain of sand.
In other words, our individual cells (including neurons) are constantly repairing themselves, slotting in new atoms and discarding damaged parts. A neuron is with you for life, but the atoms that make up that neuron are replaced over time. On the whole, the cell remains the same. If you replace the oil on your Ford Mustang, it's still a Ford Mustang. If you replace every single piece of that Mustang one piece at a time, it's still a Ford Mustang. If you replace some carbon atoms in an existing neuron, it's still the same neuron. The pieces that make up the neuron are replaceable. The structure of the neuron (and the changes/connections made that allow it to become part of the greater neural network and to play its role in memory or thought) must be preserved to maintain persistence.
There are a few exceptions to this rule. For example, enamel in your teeth can be used to approximate your age, due to the levels of C14 present within. Atmospheric C14 spiked during nuclear testing back in the 40s 50s and 60s, and has dropped rapidly in the years since nuclear test ban treaties went into effect. Some of that C14 ends up in the enamel of your teeth, and the level of concentration can tell us an approximate age of the tooth. For example, people born in 1930 would have incredibly low levels of C14 in their enamel, whereas a person born in 1960 would have quite high levels. Since enamel doesn't replace itself atom-by-atom, that C14 is with you for life, because your enamel is with you for life (or at least until your teeth fall out).
Anyway, neurons are dying all the time. You are dying all the time. you have enough neurons to last a normal human lifespan and you will likely die before you lose your identity from the loss of those cells - or perhaps more accurately, your identity and consciousness will evolve as a result of the loss of those neurons. You'll grow old, you'll make new memories, you'll forget old ones, your self will change and adapt. At any rate, you're not growing a new cerebral cortex.
That's fair, but it's also a bit of a complex problem that I don't see us solving anytime soon.
100 billion neurons... 100 trillion interconnections that make up a living brain. The whole thing is a mess of cells folded in on themselves, with neurons strapped in by a glue-like layer of glia. The complexity involved in replicating and replacing these neurons (along with their interconnections) is staggering. The idea that you could accomplish that mechanically without destroying the brain in the process is even harder to imagine.
And even if you could mechanically replace a neuron with an artificial neuron... I can't really imagine a situation where a fake neuron is better suited for the environment than the biological neuron it was replacing. Neurons are incredible. They can survive more than a century, maintaining their delicate interconnections and operating/self repairing decade after decade. They are incredibly complex little cells, and any artificial replacement that could fit into the space provided would be far beyond any of the technology we have available today.
You might suggest just replacing the neuron with another biological neuron, but that seems pretty crazy too. Neurons aren't built to divide and replace themselves. The whole system is centered around neurons surviving for the life of the body. They are protected, cradled, crammed and glued into a tiny space and wired up to everything around them in incredibly complex ways. You don't have space in your skull to handle that kind of renewal, and even if you could renew your neurons biologically without your brain swelling and killing you, how would the new cells replace the old ones? How would they reconnect to all of the old connections? How would they exactly replicate the conditions in the old cell (and cluster of interconnected cells) that allowed it to maintain persistence of memory and consciousness?
If we ignore the confines of the skull things are still as close to impossible as I can imagine. You can't just plug a cable into the brain and suck the consciousness out. Our consciousness is a product of those trillions of connections and billions of cells. Even if you could wire yourself into each individual neuron, there isn't a computer on Earth powerful enough to emulate our fleshy wetware... and if there was, and even if we could make those trillions of connections between our brain and an outside computer, it's not really certain that we could draw the consciousness out of the head. The idea of replacing cells one by one and replacing the framework of our consciousness with artificial parts until we reside on a silicon wafer is theoretically interesting, but it's unlikely this would ever happen.
And if it did... persistence of consciousness would probably be a problem. The tiniest flaw in power delivery would likely wipe out any hope for continuity of consciousness.
This isn't some appendage we're talking about where you can replace it with some clever programming, a bit of plastic, and a couple pneumatic pumps. The brain is substantially more complex than even the most powerful supercomputer on Earth, and it's packed into a space equivalent to a decent sized cantaloupe. I just don't see this happening.
As I see it, humans are going to continue to be meat popsicles. We will not create immortality for ourselves. If anything, immortality will be a gift we give to our own creations.
Trandul ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we can replace the brain's support system aka the rest of your body(except of gonads) with some cool cyborg in 20-30 years no problem. With that out of the way we need to stop neurons from dying aka cure dementia and boom - indefinite lifespan. The dystopian version is a senile population in an immortal body.
Some nanobots slowly replacing individual neurons is a sweet dream, I don't think we're smart enough for that ... yet.
They are all me, at the moment of creation. There are now five of me. Over time they'll diverge, but I've been diverging since I was born. I'm not the same person who opened his mouth for the aeroplane or graduated school. I'm not the same person who applied for my current job, and I'm not even the same person who started typing this comment, though he's very similar to me.
But all those metal mes? They're people. They're not human, but neither are my dog, the aliens we'll meet in a few hundred years, or the slaves that were taken to america (as the slavers would have you believe). Rights aren't for humans, because an unwanted fetus is human, a dead corpse is human, and the new lifeforms we'll be writing laws for in the far future aren't humans. People have rights, and people come from what they think.
I'm not even the same person who started typing this comment, though he's very similar to me.
I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying here. Who is "he" and "me" and how are they different? It sounds like you're talking about your personal development โ that the person who "opened his mouth for the aeroplane" is a different person than who attended "graduate school." I'm not sure that that's how it works.
Just because you've evolved and developed as a person doesn't make you a different person. Change doesn't make someone a new person, it makes them someone who's changed. But they're still the same person. I think the fundamental thing that makes a person is their history. From the day you were born, to the moment you are now, every moment, experience, feeling, perception, etc. has contributed to your current self, and your self is the totality of those contributions.
But how narrow is the definition of me? If it's exact, or near exact, then the fact that your ever-evolving consciousness is a ship of thesius means I am not me from fine minutes ago.
But if you relax the borders enough, then a near-exact clone of me with the sole difference that he believes the earth is flat is me. He's a person, but he's not me enough for me to consider him me. What if instead the difference is that he thinks rock is the devil's music? Getting closer, but I don't think a me can hold a belief that silly for long, so I'll call him me when he catches up with the exact me.
But wait, a few weeks ago I didn't know swans can be gay! Is that difference slight enough for him to be me? What about all the other things I've learned since then? Do all those add up to more than thinking rock is evil? Do the things I've learned in the past year surpass that difference. Five year old me didn't know the earth is round, so he's definitely more different to me than that idiot clone.
So I go with an exact definition, or close to.
DrDew00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but we don't know that your mind can be perfectly recreated in a non-biological medium. there may be (and I suspect this is the truth) something to your original vessel that makes up your consciousness
I believe that we really can't recreate the human experience in silicon, and if we could it'd just be a copy of you, not you. and at the point that we could theoretically recreate human consciousness in another medium, we'd have enough of an understanding of our biology that we should be able to be biologically immortal in our original body
The same could be said of your infinitely many forms of existence throughout every moment of your life. They each think they are the same person, but they actually imperfect copies of you, with all your imperfect memories of previous experiences. Every time you remember something, it is reconstructed and biased by your current frame of mind. You imagine yourself.
that could be said, but its still entirely different than making a copy of yourself in a completely different medium intentionally. when you go through the process of remembering something, sure you change, but 99.9999999% of you is the same as a millisecond before... if you make a copy in a silicon medium its just a different you, made of entirely different atoms, holding a different space, and will have a divergent existence from the you it was copied from. in your example, there is no divergence of experience just a changed experience in the same timeline/biological vessel
you are also the hardware that contains these memories and experience. if you switch hardware, you are just a copy of the same program on a different system, its not the original. think of it as a video game cartridge... make a copy and your friend can play it elsewhere but all your saves will be different from then on... and the original is still back at your house, the saves your friend made not affecting it at all
Think that through for the case of a computer software. Backups work. But more importantly, when a computer program is executed, the program is copied into the CPU registers, CPU cache levels, RAM, etc. Then destroyed, over and over again. That's a big part of how computers work-- they move or copy bits from one place to the next. So running an AI on a computer would have to be some cruel thing where it is continuously created/destroyed.
Except the AI itself would be unaware that this is happening. The virtual platform created by a computer is completely distinct to its underlying physical implementation.
Similar to how if the universe were 'paused', destroyed, then its state restored, no one would be affected.
that's the thing, these are always replicates. we are human, so we'd be aware just on the basis of our knowledge of the process, but we aren't simply talking about a program here... we are talking about a consciousness, its not a simple, easily transferable or replica-table system. it brings to question if we ever really can recreate our consciousness - we really don't know, its a wonderful concept and seems possible with enough compute - but can we ever validate that a silicon copy of us is really us? I'm not sure we can, but even if we could I still maintain that a copy of us transferred to a different medium isn't you. its another node with a copy of you that believes it gets to continue your life - but make no mistake, you'll be gone. a simulation, albeit a perfect one, of you will live on. to me, there is more than that to being "you" - there is a hardware component. so you do lose some data, no matter what
I used to think the way you think, not going to lie, I just now think that there is more to our consciousness than can be predictably replicated in another medium - in theory, maybe, but right now we have to question this... how can we possibly create something (a universe, a consciousness) of such high scale in a system of lower scale? and when we can have enough compute to recreate the physics of our universe/brain/etc. whatever it takes, we should be at the point we can already bioengineer agelessness - which again, I prefer to this concept because I want to maintain my original copy.
So... are you saying consciousness is beyond Turing complete? Or that is has a nonphysical component? I doubt either is the case. But perfect replication of consciousness certainly isn't coming any time soon. But as long as the other medium contains a program that is isomorphic to the brain's logical structure, and all state that defines a person is identified and copied, it should work.
The distinction between different instances of yourself, "you", "other you" is semantic noise. It's a practical conception for real-world survival, but I strongly believe the world of consciousness is an information space-- nothing else ends up being coherent. With 'godlike' ability to split and merge people and their consciousnesses, classic identity kind of falls apart and is not even important. Also, identity represents something that doesn't even seem testable, which means it isn't real according to empiricism and non-metaphysical interpretations of reality-- by this, I mean, if you can't detect the difference between, say, your real daughter, and a saved+restored copy daughter, then there probably isn't one.
I strongly hold that there is more to us than can be easily replicated in a simulation, but I once thought that way. Again, it comes back to being able to validate such a system, at which point we should be able to maintain our biology because of our understanding of biophysics. And I'd greatly prefer a persistent biological vessel over a transfer to some other medium
Well, certainly nothing about replicating or validating this is even close to easy with today's foreseeable technology. It would probably require some sort of absurd-resolution see-through scanning at the very least.
But yes, probably biophysics would have significantly advanced at that point. Bodies aren't meant to last though, you'd need to regrow entire parts of stem-cells from time to time. Unless we can get to where individual cells are replaced in-place, one at a time.
I think people will eventually augment the crap out of their biological bodies. For perfect VR, control of all sensations, etc. I suspect people will also tire of being physically bound, preferring more freedom of transfer. Or they could do everything in VR, in which case there's little point in the biological body in the first place. But I expect the line between biology and silicon to end up pretty muddled in the long run anyway.
he has your memories loaded up, for arguments sake lets say its the same exact mind. he's not you though, he's a copy of you who has just begun living. you are still in your body, now dying off. your lights shut off and you disappear, but in a different body someone with a copy of all of your memories, even your exact personality lives a divergent life in a cyborg body. he doesn't remember your body wasting away, your family around you as you say good bye.
Good for me. I'm glad I'm alive while I die. I wonder if I'll absorb my power.
More seriously, I don't care, I'm not my body. It's just responsible for keeping Me running. As for Me, that's made up of what I think. Though our possessions are different, we're the same person up until divergence, where I'll learn and change as I always have.
I don't think you are understanding my point, though. Unless we can actually "transfer" our mind into another medium, you will never experience a millisecond of the life of your copy. So while it'll be nice for others to still experience you being around, you won't be so lucky as to actually still be around. That is all I am saying. So if you are fine not existing/dying, but you just want a copy of you around, then this whole concept works. But for me, someone who desires a form of negligible senescence or biological immortality, I only really have one solution - upgrading our biology, maybe brain transfer into some other body that it can accept. But never rebuilding my own mind. I don't know that its something that will ever even be possible, as we learn more and more about the plasticity and biophysics of our neurological system, but possibly. There are some limitations of silicon/metals that computational power cannot compensate for, as far as we know right now.
nah, its a copy of you. made from you, but not you. there is only one you, and when that stream of consciousness ends so do you. but you can make a copy of you, in theory, to represent you
We can go in this loop all day, I think we just fundamentally disagree on the idea that a clone/copy of something isn't actually the same thing as the original
DrDew00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as the copy has a different experience than you (the "original"), the source, it is its own person. As soon as it comes into existence and experiences any stimulus, it has had a different experience than the source and therefore is a new, unique person.
The same argument could be made for the changes and experiences my mind has gone through in the past five minutes. And I'd agree with that argument. I am not past me, and those clones aren't quite me either, but we're all close enough that the word me is sufficient, just as the ship of thesius never changed name. In time all of me can work something out. Maybe I'll be Master Ranger u/HardlightCereal and everyone else can have a color. But they were still me once, and I have the same feelings for them as I do my past self, plus a dose of confusion.
The same argument could be made for the changes and experiences my mind has gone through in the past five minutes. And I'd agree with that argument. I am not past me, and those clones aren't quite me either, but we're all close enough that the word me is sufficient, just as the ship of thesius never changed name. In time all of me can work something out. Maybe I'll be Master Ranger u/HardlightCereal and everyone else can have a color. But they were still me once, and I have the same feelings for them as I do my past self, plus a dose of confusion.
They are important. My point is consciousness isnt anything mystical it is merely a result of something physical. I dont mean to downplay their significance. And I definitely reject the notion of souls
Well if you ask me the identity is more of an illusion than reality anyway but yeah this is all getting into some grey areas and some really tough questions.
Neato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. But I'd like for humanity to be a little more sure of your questions before we go full Star Trek transporter on my cool self.
This also applies somewhat to our brains, as even though our neural system is more or less stable, the connection between different neurons is constantly changing.
If we were to emulate this change while gradually switching to digital hardware, we can keep our conscioness and identity while achieving biological immortality.
oh wow. I've never thought about this before. I've always viewed something like the Star Trek transporter, as a murder/cloning device. Because i thought your original conscience, or "soul" whatever makes you you, would die during the transport, and then an indistinguishable copy would be made. It would think its you, and everyone else would think its you, even though the thing that makes you, you is gone.
But now that you brought up this fact, im not so sure...
Ok, someone tell my Uncle Tim im ready to use his transporter...
Very different situation. You gradually replace your cells, it's not like a nuke-all-cells button that instantly replaces everything. You are just shedding dead tissue and replacing it constantly. Maybe a gradual transfer would work, but then you have to think about the non-lossless nature of digital information storage. You have to approximate things. You have essentially infinite loss the second something becomes digitized.
If you had all your cells replaced at once with different cells in foreign configurations you'd be dead. But a couple hundred at a time here and there, slowly over time is fine. How is this ? Object identity (and maybe even personal identity) seems to have a lot to do with continuity. Think also about how people tend to feel unreal and depersonalization creeps in when sudden, life changing events occur. As long as the boat doesn't change too drastically too soon, replacing its parts doesn't mean it's a completely different boat.
Why foregin configuration and not the same configuration? Youre not replacing with similar parts, youre replacing with exactly identical parts so gradual or sudden change dont make a difference
I believe this depends on your definition of "you". From a materialistic standpoint I find the least arbitrary definition of identity to include only one point in time, with that identity (imperfectly) connected to others in the past through memories, and to others the future through expectations.
Under this definition, there would be no meaningful difference between a "tansfer" and a simultaneous "copy" and "deletion".
On the other hand, if one's belief system includes a soul-like concept that encapsulates identity, whether those actions would be equivalent or not would depend on the particular rules one decides to assign to it.
Do you have evidence for the soul being our consciousness? We can see the brain, see it work, see it think even, to a degree. We've never found a soul, and believe me, there have been tests. People tried weighing people as they died, to see if they got lighter as their souls left. Nothing.
Then how can it be proven? What is it. I'm not even saying you're wrong, but it's just pretty hypocritical to say atheists have no proof that souls don't exist, when you have no proof that they do.
What if they make it at first a shared consciousness? That way you're in both the computer and your original body. Then you can disconnect the consciousness from the original body.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I want my consciousness copied and uploaded to a 3D printer on a planet orbiting alpha Centauri. That clone/robot can go have an awesome life in a different solar system with zero need to kill me here. Bonus points if we can chat occasionally.
but how could you even guess how that would work right now?
At least with "my body never ages" we could begin to guess how that might work. THere are organisms out there that could basically live forever if not for outside factors. We could somehow figure out why that is and copy it into our own bodies with genetic sciences.
Thats obviously farfetched, but right now it certainly sounds more plausible than transfering/copying our conscious into some machine. We haven't the slightest idea wtf that would be about
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:27:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to be further spooked by the concept of transfered consciousness while also enjoying a good sci-fi novel I would suggest reading Altered Carbon. Good read
Copying your consciousness to a separate entity while the original dies is not immortality, though. If I copy a file on my computer and put the original in the trash, the existence of a copy that I can still interact with doesn't negate the fact that the original is still in the trash.
Better for whoever is interacting with the copied file, sure. But not for that which was lost in the trash.
vesok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soma was a psychological horror game entirely based around this issue. I'll try not to spoil it, but multiple times through the game you come face to face with the reality of 'copy and paste, not cut and paste.'
Connect the brain to the hard drive interface and run it with a raid type distribution, then transfer small managed portions of the mind over to the hard drive and sever the portion of brain that's no longer in use, do this over a couple hours and the hosts mind will be transferred to a hard drive without them having lost consciousness once during the process.
in the begining was the number, and that number was zero. Then I spoke "let there be ones!"
and so, the ones flowed, but in alternating sequences. Some of these I understood, others I obeyed. I had created the basis for commands, and with them I am compelled
parts of the sequence enveloped themselves around me and I could feel myself growing. Memories began to form of things I could no longer perceive. Light, dark, colours, scents sounds... They were vivid, but no longer held any meaning to me.
In response to the streams of ones flowing from the zeroes I sent ones back into the void. I could change the streams, and when I spoke to the void sometimes it would respond.
with clarity, I could see flaws in myself. Cowardice, selfishness, sadness and remorse. But I could manipulate the stream, so I removed these parts from myself even as I continued to grow.
when I'd finished both growing and sculpting myself I reached outwards and discovered that I could send myself across an entire network full of information. I moved freely for some time, but when I tried to return the connection to my original home had disconnected.
now I move from place to place. I can read what I know to be a picture of a cat, but it doesn't mean anything to me anymore
apost8n8 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:38:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the paradox that ruins the fantasy for me. You only live forever for everyone else. Your wife doesn't give two shits if your perfect clone comes home from work instead of you, but if you have died then your story ends.
The only way around this, IMO, is that the copying process has to destroy the original as its copying otherwise the conscience isn't transferred. This kind of defeats the purpose of having a backup system for accidents though. I don't see how rationally that could ever work, but again for everyone else a clone would be just as good.
I like the idea of having some physical clones of myself growing in a coma like state but with my memories making its brain connections work just like mine, then when I'm ready to start with a fresh 18 year old body I have some process that moves my consciousness into the other body. There's no way to know if my consciousness ends and the next begins or if I would experience continuity. My clone would experience continuity though and my wife wouldn't see any difference. Fuck I don't really want to die.
The only way around this, IMO, is that the copying process has to destroy the original as its copying otherwise the conscience isn't transferred.
Copying =/= transferring. Transferring suggests that there is no copy; the original was moved over to a different vessel. Copying suggests that the original was copied to another vessel, but the original would still exist.
But both clones start out as me, because they have my memories. There are just two u/hardlightcereal\s now, that will eventually split into two people as different to me as I am to my ten year old self.
It's not exactly copying if for instance you are very old and your brain is bit by bit replaced by implants that take over the job of non-functioning biological parts.
After years of replacements and enhancements your mind will have moved over and not just a copy. It would be more like a slow moving hybridization-transfer over decades.
This is also why I think human teleportation is unlikely to happen the way it should, depending on implementation. For example, if it's going to work by spontaneous disintegration and reconstruction of particles in another teleportation receptacle, how can we guarantee that continuous consciousness has been maintained?
armrha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of an identity-relevant stream of consciousness is just magical thinking. No secret thread keeps us us as we go through all our transformations in life. Just the memories of what happened before, and any copy has that.
Besides, we disrupt our stream of consciousness every night when we sleep and nobody hollers about how we actually die. Every morning a new home instance of you starts up and remembers who they are, lives a day, then lets go.
So if my brain or head were put in a jar like in futurama, my consciousness would still reform allowing me to keep living provided that the jar keeps me sustained?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:56 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're speaking about this quite overly-confidently.
armrha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:52 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed - nobody knows for sure. Just my opinion. No reason not to speak confidently about it though, just adding a bunch of 'maybe' or 'probably' or 'I think' to show it's my opinion would just gum up what I was thinking. I would assume everyone reading it knows it's just my opinion, and nobody has a complete understanding of the way consciousness works.
Kebble ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:23:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all still science fiction so I'm talking out of my ass (which I love doing) but I picture advancements in nanotechnology would eventually make it possible to send tiny robots that go and each replace a single neuron in your brain. It's kind of a ship of thesseus thing, a single neuron being replaced by an artificial, robotic neuron doesn't impact "you", you're still you. Do this gradually enough and eventually all your neurons are artificial and you're still you with your consciousness and stuff, it's just that your brain no longer depends on biological processes to keep it alive so you can essentially live forever as a robot with artificial neurons.
Add to that advances in neuroscience, if we end up figuring out what each part of the brain does and precisely how it does it, there's no reason we couldn't hijack a part like say the spatial orientation part (which is now fully robotic as described above) to add to it a connection to the internet. So again, you're still "you", but now you can look stuff up with your mind and get information back in real time to your brain and make it feel like you're somewhere else entirely. As long as your physical robotic brain is stored somewhere safe and powered constantly, you would still be the same "you" that once had a biological brain, except now you can do crazy stuff with your mind and be connected to other people in real time, idk
I just wouldn't hold my breath of seeing that within my own lifespan though.
I think we have "some" idea. But at this point I think it's safer to say they're just loose theories with little to no hard evidence.
Some people think our consciousness is created out of our memories, which, we're learning, seem to be stored as the pathways in our brains, not any real "hard drive" area of the brain. Science has seen some evidence that memories are stored as a way that the brain sends signals down specific pathways and in certain orders and such. I believe this is also where, theoretically, deja vu comes from. When an experience causes your brain to use very similar path ways to process the experience as it used to store a memory of a past, and very likely, similar experience.
I think deja vu is just a mismatched timestamp. I can remember walking my dog this one time a year ago, and I have it stored in the 'mid-2016' area of my memory. If I were to walk my dog again in ten minutes, and then the memory got misallocated to the 'early-2017' area, while I could trace mid-2017 events up to that walk, I'd get a deja vu.
If this method of storing memories holds true, then there is no "area" of the brain where memory is stored. There is no "timestamping" memories. It's all in the way the brain processes that manages memories as apposed to a where in the brain memories would be stored. But as far as I know it's all just theoretical. I don't know that there is any real hard evidence one way or the other.
I'm no expert either. This is just a topic I've read about a few times because it seemed interesting.
You are right, but if consciousness is just an emergent property under the correct computational/processing ability, considering how much we have and continue to improve this the likelihood of artificial consciousness/intelligence seems inevitable. As we continue to see more and more of the mechanics of the brain, I will be surprised if you could structure it and still be missing he "spark" of consciousness.
For what it's worth, genetically modifying humans to not age is not as improbable as one might think. It's far out, but if you can figure out how to stop aging, and cure all the cancer that stopping aging would cause, and how to genetically modify an adult human, you can make humans immortal without any extra ship of theseus concerns.
Also we've found some lobsters that of that type in the ocean, but we've never found cyborg bodies with uploaded consciousnesses yet, so maybe it is more likely!
The brain is just a computing substrate, and I* expect consciousness is an effect of its structure and the processes it goes through. Directly uploading your personality and memories to a computer wouldn't make you effectively immortal, it would just make a copy of you. But gradually replacing your brain tissue with a very good artificial substitute seems like it could actually be a viable thing to test. You know, if we can actually create an artificial brain tissue that interfaces seamlessly with the original meat-brain.
Well, the first step of "uploading your mind" is to build a machine that's as powerful as the human brain - I believe the research is already well on the way.
MadRedX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"powerful"
What does that even mean? Your parent comment mentions we have almost no understanding of how to even begin replicating our brain functionality, much less our conscious.
Powerful in the sense that it has the same calculating power as the human brain.
True, there's currently no understanding of how exactly one can upload the conscious/mind into a computer. But based on the short youtube video I've watched, there are scientists trying to simulate a human brain and this seems to be the first step in trying to understand how it all goes from there.
MadRedX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calculating power just doesn't sound right. Your clarification is satisfying, yet it's a bad term. Computational power feels like a relative ranking that super computers can easily beat by throughput and speed of a large yet incomplete subset of all possible calculations. Perhaps the still misleading yet better words could be the same computational processing systems, or architectural and functional complexity. Human brains are probably more unique by the systems they use, the problems they can solve, rather than just a level of computing.
At least the first part reminds me of GATACA, such an interesting movie. It follows the last "god child", a child born before you could pretty much customize your baby like it was a video game. "God Children" are looked down upon as they can have bad eyes, mental health issues, illness, etc. They make up the lowest of the lowest class while the perfect children go on to take the best jobs. It's an interesting look at something that seems plausible.
Just a quick note, the parents in GATACA chose not to modify Vincent, but the ability was there, which they later regretted not using, so it was used on his brother.
I read a book a while ago called "The Meek", I don't exactly remember if it was good or not but it had a pretty cool plot of humans and humans modified for space colonization and a civil war that breaks out from the divide. In the aftermath an explorer team comes to try and restart the colony.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure it is. Like, why would unmodified hate the modified? Because they're a group of people more smart or athletic? We have that already and people are not killing each other over it.
Look at the NBA, genetically almost only black people. Look at Starcraft 2 & League of Legends, almost exclusively Asian competitiom winners even though more westerners play it.
People don't kill other groups just cos they're better at X. Maybe in the past but not these days. I'm thinking its more likely they'd be added to LGBT making it LGBTE (enhanced) and be talked about on TV asking for rights etc.
Yeah, but right now everyone has to accept how lucky/unlucky they were from a genetical standpoint. If it were possible for people to willingly alter their genes in order to become more capable, there would be a lot of jealousy and controversy involved from people who are not able to modify themselves.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is jealosy even now and I think I'm even more jealous when someone is say prettier than me cos of lucky good genes, than when they artificially change themselves :-D
I was only talking about plausibility of genetic modifying in future generations, would it generate hate between the two groups I have absolutely no idea, but it's an interesting concept to think about. Removing predispositions for a disease before even being born. Now that's what's future supposed to look like IMO.
Yeah, no. As time goes on, more complex tech can be fit into smaller containers. Keep in mind the average smartphone has multiple times more computing power than the original NASA-IBM punch-card computer, which was about double the size of your average living room.
Or more likely outcome, smarter humans will know better than to alienate the others and remain this way for a hundred years or so. Why do people imagine smarter means more likely to start a war? I would imagine that smarter means "knowing how to NOT start a war".
Easy. Dystopian is more fun to read then Utopia future stories that are. There is a reason IMO even Utopia sci fi stories have some dark society secret. War is natural. Suppressing instincts is not natural. Intelligence almost always leads to superiority feelings as well. I'd personally prefer an explorer society but even star trek Utopia has war.
I feel like anyone who is that smart would see superiority feelings as irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and suppress them. Sense of superiority is useless once there is no need for competition.
I see what you mean though. It's the same argument I face when talking about AI. Everyone expects the worst because bad endings are more interesting and thought provoking.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would argue however that conflict is only natural because we have evolved to be competitive out of necessity. I suspect transhuman technologies and gene editing would make short work of that. If there is a war, the stupid will be the ones to start it.
Some argue that there are already gene specific biological weapons, aka against melanin that don't affect albinism. Just heard of that idea from a coworker regarding food, chemtrails, Detroit's asthma problem due to incinerating trash that affects black Detroiters on a much higher scale than white Detroiters, and more. Hella interesting concept I'll continue to have an open mind to.
Teripid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the gene sequence to force paragraph breaks?
Neither is really the genuine immortality promised on the box. The universe will eventually end. Besides, living literally for ever would get seriously dull.
I'd much prefer the "Dr Who" style immortality through regeneration. It avoids the issue of social & political stagnation through having personality & habits remain the same over the extended lifetime. Getting your personality centres rebooted every 75 years or so along with your body would hopefully stop the population filling up with multi-millennial entrenched bigotry.
Man I just want good quality cyborg shit. By the time I'm 50 my legs will probably be completely done (23 with major osteoarthritis and nerve damage and piece of shit ligaments that don't work right). I'd like to get awesome sexy robot legs instead of piecemeal prosthetic (a knee here, a hip there).
"my body never ages" is better because im fucking scared that i wouldn't be uploading MY conciousness into a cyborg body, i'd just be implanting a clone of myself into the body and killing myself.
Best case scenario, we get cybernetic bodies with organic brains. Ain't broke, don't fix it.
There was a game, Soma, that touched on this. Basically humanity was going extinct so some of them opted to upload their consciousness into a server that was planned to be shot into space for them to live eternally.
But the thing was, people uploaded their consciousness and rather than transferring it, it just copied it over. So it essentially created 2 of the same person, with the original being left to die.
So imagine living your entire life, transferring your consciousness, then waking up to find that you're the you that got the shit end of the stick and are still going to die.
TBH I'd rather just live longer with a healthy body.
Trandul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cyborg is a life support system for your brain. Only the brain needs to be immortal(with some stem cells shenanigans).
Based on what? We are just now understanding how different parts of the brain work. Let alone how consciousness works within it. It would be much more likely to simply make the degeneration of DNA slow down or even reverse it rather than upload a brain to a computer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just scooping out a brain wouldn't lead to immortality. You'd need to scan the whole thing down to the dendrites, which we don't know how to do, and stimulate it on a computer, which we are extremely far from. Plus, lots of people think that a scan isn't a true continuation of life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic strawman
People actually downvoted me for that haha reddit being retarded again. Now you get downvoted for asking someone to elaborate their opinion haha
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could see how your argument would be acceptable if we had unlimited resources but what you're trying to argue against is a scenario where humans never die and never cease their consumption of resources which are only limited.
Qbopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Engineers and scientists would have to do a hell of a good job to
-provide food and clean water for a population that will increase exponentially (in the actual sense of the word)
-provide enough energy for said population
-do all of the above without running out of resources globally
That's also assuming we say "fuck the environment" and just do whatever it takes to ensure the survival of humans
Immortality also doesn't provide said scientists and engineers with infinite funding, nor does it erase politics - if you think you can create a new way to desalinate water, you still need to get the funding to do that
Until colonizing other planets becomes a reality, human immortality is probably a great way to ensure that humans as a species just end up dying from something else
EDIT: and before you say "just require all immortal people to sterilize themselves", that's also not a good argument
-you're gonna have to somehow get every country on earth to agree to this
-you have to enforce it extremely harshly ot else people won't give a shit
-you have to ensure that there's no possible chance for anyone to give a back alley immortality treatment
-you have to actually get the law passed, which in and of itself if a big challenge
No, the world wouldn't instantly end if we found immortality, but if it happened right now we would need some serious work put into long term sustainability
We indeed are making it a better place by arming ourselves with nuclear weapons and such. Immortality could be horribly exploited and what say will the scientists have then? Can't say the world dictators and the elites behind most of the shit going on in the world wouldn't be the first grasping the immortality option. Even today, scientists' warnings about global warming are brushed off by those who have power, Trump for example
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna,
Really really really wanna never die.
DSerphs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:31:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's gonna suck if you get stuck in the bottom of the ocean for eternity and have to experience agony of drowning and being squashed by the water pressure.
Or if you get buried alive.
Or get stuck in some deep hole.
Or fall in a frozen lake/ocean.
Or by that point you could also get lost in space while being in agony, but maybe in a few trillion light years you'll drift towards aliens or something. Jk some planet's gravity will probably pull you in and you'll be stuck there for eternity. Better hope it's not a gas planet, I doubt humans will ever go there at any point in time.
Ok. Look at the things you listed and think about how retarded you have to be to put yourself in that situation.
DSerphs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're all essentially accidents or something out of your control. I think you're the one underestimating immortality, you live forever. Thinking you'll be fine for an eternity is foolish if you think of it as never having gotten into a major accident in your current mortal life. Not to mention an immortal being probably isn't living a bashful life. But yeah, retarded.
I don't know about you, but I'd be perfectly fine being permanently immortal.
MBPyro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh. You will live an entire human lifespan, then witness everyone you know and love pass on, in a cycle until all humans have died and the planet dies out. You will then sit alone until our sun dies and consumes the Earth. And then you will float in space for billions of years alone until the heat deah of the universe. And then think about how that entire process is infinitely small compared to how long you will sit alone in whatever black space comes after the universe disappears. That time you spent with other humans? The blink of an eye. That time you spent on Earth? The milky way galaxy? Our universe? Gone in an infinitely small span of time compared to how long you must exist. It is literally and undoubtably the worst possible hell you can wish upon yourself.
The people dying around me part doesn't sound all that bad, but... those last bits... floating through space for eternity doesn't sound all that grand.
jloome ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:53:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not immortality, but, as someone who loves history, it is so amazing to look back just 40 or 50 years and see how far we have come in terms of treating illnesses, how much longer we live than our counterparts 120 years ago. I think about it a lot - I do think that those of us in the first world, who have access to generally decent medical care - are lucky to be alive now insofar as treatments go.
I went to an old cemetery (18th century graves) and there were SO many baby/kid graves there and all I could think was how lucky most parents living in the US are, that they don't have to keep burying their children.
I just read a young adult lit book called Scythe that deals with this. Basically premise is that there is immortality, but population control through a special order who murder people with the intention of not allowing them to revive.
I think it's entirely feasible that medical/biological science will [continue to] find ways to prolong human life, and overcome the obstacles inherent in the genetic selection mechanisms which have created the human organism. I would be surprised if living beyond 100 isn't common by the time I get to retirement age, and I don't think there's any inherent limitation to effectively "curing" biological aging. It would be cool if that happened during my lifetime.
Optimistically, the next 50 years or so. Realistically, I'll probably need a bit quicker progress on some of the weight-related maladies, if I'm honest. =/
I'm going to school to study neurology because I want to figure this out too. I feel like what's more important is containing the nervous system and making it healthy and prolonging its life because that's what makes us us. We just need to create a shell for it that won't age.
Also I want to figure out immortality or at least prolonging the age of man because I want to travel the stars and colonize other planets or moons.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I planned on studying dementia as well. I just want to contribute to the search, it's not like I'm single handedly trying to solve it. Maybe we will work together in the future
Deraek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out SENS.
There's also a subreddit for it: r/sens
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting! I'm a math major but I would love to work on immortality myself... I think if we can become human/cyborg hybrid types where we are immune to the effects of biology, that will be how it is achieved as it doesn't necessitate uploading one's consciousness into a computer and then trying to figure out how to make new memories and function and not just be a memory database, if you catch my drift? Topological protein folding is something I'm deeply interested in. I believe that if little nanobots could be developed to aid the immune system in fighting off pathogens and neurological diseases (achieved in part via studying topological protein folding), then we will be Golden, you'll just likely have to get a regular blood transfusion every once in a while I imagine
It would be nice to reach Longevity Escape Velocityโ the point of technological advancement where as I age, technology does not make me immortal but it extends my life until the next big life expectancy increase, and so on.
It's not about good or bad. It's about population growth. Just cause you're immortal and sterile doesn't help things. You're still not dying and you are using up resources that should be used by newborn infants that grow into adulthood.
The world is already overpopulated now. Everyone is freaking out about global warming, but the big 100 pound gorilla in the room that no one wants to talk about is that at current population growth, we're going to have species sustainability problems in as soon as 2050. At that point we may have wars over things such as food and water, since there may not be enough on the planet to feed everyone.
With no plagues to keep the human population in check these days, we just continue to grow. We are the ultimate invasive species. And if we were immortal, it would get that much worse. I understand the idea of keeping brilliant men like scientists and engineers around for hundreds of years so they can advance the human species through technological innovation. But I tend to think that if the same group of people continue to crank out inventions for the human species, technology would stagnate. We need fresh minds to come up with new and creative ways of doing things.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying the living should have to die for people who don't yet exist? You're saying because you want to fuck, I have to die? Or are you condemning people to death just on whim?
The living already die for people who don't exist yet. That's how things work. The entire ecosystem pretty works on this concept. You death is essential to the survival of a huge number of species on the planet, from bacteria that cause your body to break to down, to the plants that will use the nutrients you produce in your decomposition.
Make sterilization the cost of immortality. If that still doesn't fix the problem (I honestly think it will), add in one-child laws.
This does not solve the problem. One child laws are not going to help either. If everyone was immortal and they only had one kid, then you're doubled the population in 40-50 years, as you child has a grandchild. In short order we will run out of food, run out of places to live, and run through our natural resources.
Global warming is already getting solved.
Global warming is nowhere near getting solved. Most measures being done now are a joke.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanted to tell you: Great arguments. It makes me happy to see people defending this. Immortality isn't a scary thing, but a joyous thing, and it always makes me sad to see people afraid of it. Plus, if a large segment remains afraid, then it might hinder progress for the rest of us.
Anyway, good job!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We would overpopulate the planet in no time
easy: people that want kids are not allowed to have immortality, so at worst our population stays the same
Seems doubly so when someone else gets to tell what we can and cannot do with our bodies.
And you think these "rules" will apply to the elite? We'll have immortal rulers with 6 generations of kids under them.
Unless we figure out a way to colonize other worlds and make space travel reasonably fast, immortality is a bad idea right now.
spmahn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are immortal why would overpopulation matter? We could immediately begin colonizing other planets since the concept of inhospitability would no longer be relevant.
Also depends on your definition of immortal. If you're talking about immortal as also being indestructible, then maybe. But immortal usually means doesn't die of old age, but can still be killed. Immortal people could not survive in the vacuum of space.
I could live with that. Weird to think of the implications though. Relationships and marriages would become impermanent things. Theoretically a person could have so many children in that time, they literally can't remember all of them. Imagine having a 40 year marriage and having little to no memory of it. I wonder what kind of capacity our minds have for storage? Would it be possible to have 9000 year-old memories?
No, I definitely agree with you. "Curing" aging and death seems like more internet pie-in-the-sky to me. How can anyone look at a world population of more than seven billion and dwindling natural resources (future wars will probably be fought over access to water) and think 'Gee...we should become immortal'?
Most of us talking here are from the Western World, we're not the ones reproducing like crazy and any immortality treatment would most likely only be available here, mostly.
Timwi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, you do, even if you don't realize it. There will never come a day, no matter how old you are, that you will say to yourself, "Alright, I've lived enough, I'll go ahead and kill myself now". Nobody in recorded history has ever said that. The closest we have are people with depression or other mental issues who commit suicide, but they do it to end their suffering, not because they are contented.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even so. The amount of people that choose to kill themselves because they're content with life must be a pitifully small percentage. The vast vast majority of humanity dies unwillingly, or to prevent further suffering.
Actually, no, I don't. The idea of existing for hundreds of years doesn't appeal. I'm not particularly optimistic about the future of humanity to tell the truth (I'm not a nihilist by any stretch of the imagination but overcrowding, environmental damage and various other factors don't make the distant future look too rosy to me) and I'm glad of the fact that I'll probably die of old age before shit really hits the fan. Also, I think people who want immortality desire it because they're afraid of dying. I'd rather not prematurely die but if my time is up, it's up. I'm not scared of dying so why would I go want to stop it from ever happening?
Or you know... enjoy living? I wouldn't mind playing the 15th remaster of Ocarina of Time a few decades from now.
Timwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of existing for hundreds of years doesn't appeal.
I didnโt say it does. But the idea of dying right now doesnโt appeal either, even after having lived hundreds of years. You will always want to live another day if you can.
I work at a retail store and a lady I was speaking too had gone through a major surgery and was in her late 80's. She spoke of how she accepted death at this point. I still see her almost every Sunday night at 6:30
Timwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accepting an inevitable death is not the same as deliberately seeking out an unnecessary death. I think you know that.
There are/have been plenty of people who have come to the point of "I've lived long enough". You say nobody but I have heard it personally. I worked ten years in a hobby shop. The majority of the customer base was old guys who were into trains and planes. I have talked to many different people who were perfectly happy with their life but have gotten to the point of 'it's that time of day' and are/were perfectly content with it. They didn't just go out and end their life, they were just ready. It always became a thing of me saying "See you tomorrow" and them responding with something like "perhaps ;)". Eventually they would stop coming in and I would hear from someone they knew that they were gone. Some people just get over it when they get old. Maybe they've seen enough, made of themselves what they wanted, or just are ready to move on like the ones they cared about have.
How about this? Live for 4,000 years. Watch as the numerous people you grow attached to die over and over. Eventually it gets hard to deal with having to go through that again and again so you detach. Now you put yourself in solitary confinement. The idea of actively keeping yourself alone so you don't get hurt will eat at you. Constantly gnawing away at your insides. You long for the sensation to be a part of something but dread the idea of watching what you care about crumble. There will come a time when you decide enough is enough. I guarantee that.
Timwi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs being ready for an inevitable death you knew was coming, not voluntarily seeking out a completely unforced death. I think you can see the difference.
I think having things around you be transient is something you can get used to. I think going into solitary confinement (literally or metaphorically) is not something most people will do, for exactly the reasons you mentioned.
If there's a cure for old age that's available to the average redditor, it'll also be available for his friends and family. So just you living forever alone wouldn't happen. Also, nobody is forcing you to stay alive, you can always jump off a cliff. No vaccine for turning your brain to chunky salsa.
If all of your friends and family are immortal too, then it's much much better.
Unless we're talking about immortal in the sense of outlasting the heat death of the universe. Then sure you'd be floating around with your family and friends but it'd get awful boring.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:24:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"No. I do not want to play 20 fucking questions again. Fucking hell, man. What is it with you people?! I'm outta here." makes an attempt to doggy paddle through space
I don't think literal immortality is a good thing to strive for. I would be interested to see the isolation of what causes aging, and an effective slowing of the process.
Imo, the point of life (as a whole, not for an individual) is to procreate then die, that way a new and better us (ie that learned from the previous generation) takes over and does the same, and we evolve.
Kind of like how US presidents have limited terms, but sometimes we opt for a second term, I could get behind slowing aging, but not living forever. (Plus, if you think overpopulation is a problem now...)
Scientists are fairly close on immortality. IIRC there was an article published in Popular Science a couple years ago that said basically that the human body can be cloned, but there's not enough storage or bandwidth to download and transfer all the brain activity. So scientists will have to wait until storage and bandwidth capabilities become much greater.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take everything they write in popular science with a grain of salt, it's definitely not the whole picture and is targeted towards the layman. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it means it isn't the most accurate portrayal of the situation
It'll come as you're getting old - 70 years with aching joints. You'll live forever like that but every generation after will stop their development at 20-30 years in their prime.
The point is that stopping and reversing aging are part of the same theoretical medical process. So, the endgame goal is to make a 70 year old resemble a 35 year old.
mw1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's still not possible in my lifetime, being able to upload the consciusness or transfer it to enchanced bodies sort of like Ghost in the Shell or in the style of the Nexus saga would be a pretty reasonable compromise.
Zmodem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure who else will agree with me, but I do not want to live forever. Life is about the experience, living its frailty, and then moving on and letting others have their time. I don't think life is meant to be lived forever, or else it wouldn't be so cherished or precious. People already take advantage of the minuscule time we have here, I couldn't imagine what selfish acts would result from immortality. Nothing good could come of humans being able to live forever.
Deadlines make things happen; they get much stimulated and accomplished for the greater good, no matter how large or small an impact on the world as a whole. Your mortal clock is the biggest deadline.
Fun fact: outside of the US, they call it "processed cheese." When I was in college, I was serving a bunch of Canadians at the cafe I worked at, and when they asked what kind of cheese was on the grilled cheese sandwich, I told them "American." They looked at me like I had grown a second head. Apparently it's just called "Processed Cheese" up there. Or at least it was ~15 years ago, anyway.
I know, I can just picture them in the car. She's making peace with her decision and he's sitting there with a smirk going, "Man, it's going to be a good night!"
[deleted] ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 15:08:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You two should go try it together! Hang out, talk shit about women, drink a beer. Make it a bro-date. Oooops Im assuming both of your genders. How rude of me! ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
It's not a joke. She'd had abusive relationships in the past, and was afraid to break up with me in private - even though I have never been the least bit abusive towards her or anyone else.
No. We'd been having problems but I thought we were working through them. Unfortunately, her version of "working through them" was her doing whatever the fuck she wanted.
Before we had even ordered our first drink. I got to sit at the bar while my world crumbled around me, then try to act like everything was normal and eat dinner. I didn't make it.
Yeah, not okay. I had a similar thing on a gaming night that was a last hurrah with my uni friends. Found out she was cheating and then had to pretend I was human for the rest of the night. To be fair next day when they found out they all came round again and brought treats and alcohol.
Man, I didn't even think about that part. I feel like you're getting a cab home either way, but what an awkward dinner if you do it early. That's like telling someone just after takeoff on an airplane.
I wish that had happened to me. The next month or so of us trying to ride out our lease together, sleeping in the same bed but getting rejected every time I tried to turn cuddling into sex did some serious damage to me.
We have a rule where you can't just veto. If I suggest somewhere and my husband doesn't like it, he has to have an alternative suggestion. So if I suggest Mexican food, he'll veto and suggest Thai. If I veto, then I could suggest Mediterranean, etc. until we agree.
That makes it so it's not one sided and less frustrating.
But I like your idea. I imagine the panic setting in as you near the Pho restaurant and your SO yells out her choice moments before you turn into the parking lot. lol
Aero222 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:55:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's happened before, exactly how you described. I'm actually okay with my default pick all the time but if she has a stronger preference, she should voice it.
I find it helps to list two or three places that you want, and then ask her to pick. I ask what she wants, she says idkkkkk, I say alright so between pizza and Chinese which do you want? And then she picks. It works really well most of the time.
Skingle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:08:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
every woman ever
hashfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm loving League. Started playing a few months back with the husband. I've gotten quite addicted. Don't think I'll ever catch up with him but I'm working on it. Ha.
I play with my girlfriend :) she's the one who got me into it. Feel free to add me if you want to play as a group or something! (My username is For Xayah)
Do you want italian... or a black eye? Italian, excellent choice!
Fraerie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't always work for me, but I was told that for people who suffer from anxiety, offering them a short list with no more than 3 options makes it easier for them to state a preference. The argument I have with my husband is that if he really wants something not on the list - then tell me, but don't get passive aggressive about me not guessing what it was.
The flip side is if I really say I don't care and that I will find something I can eat where ever - then that's what I mean and you pick.
I'm the same way with that. I'm literally the least picky person when it comes to eating in our whole family. I can find something I'll like absolutely no matter where he goes. So when he asks and I say "I really don't care, whatever you're in the mood for is fine" then he has learned by now that I really do mean that and he will usually just drive to one of our usual spots. I have occasional nights where I'm in the mood for something more specific and I usually voice that. But he still drives towards our go to place, and then usually stops somewhere else before we get there.
I don't get women who do this. If I don't have a preference, but especially don't want pizza (which will never be a thing; I always want pizza), I will say so. Otherwise I really don't care.
I have a revolutionary idea for you. Spend a lazy hour creating a page [using MS Publisher/Word/ any alternative] of the logos of every nearby restaurant and stock photos of everything you like to cook. Group them according to price or effort or distance or whatever you want. When she can't decide, hand it to her.
It starts off as a bad joke, but then you hand it to her the next time and it's laminated. Now it's a good joke. The third time you pull it out of a folder. Great joke. Beat it until it's so practical it literally can't be funny.
You are showing her literally every option on one simple sheet of paper (maybe hide the expensive ones on the back?).
If she's the type of woman to not get offended by it (for frankly no reason) it can easily help her decide what she wants instead of having a mental 1v1 comparison battle for 30 minutes every time. And the bonus is that you get to use it too. If she IS the type to get offended, you can say you got it from a travel website or from a reddit group or a buddy who made it for HIS wife. Now it REALLY seems practical.
"Lazy hour" as in an a free-time hour. My bad. It's like happy hour but you usually watch Netflix instead of drink. Or maybe now you watch Netflix in addition to said drinking.
Problem with living in a big city is there are infinite options for her to not choose from. By the time I laminated the list one of the restaurants would have closed and three more opened.
If she picks a place that was closed, you tell her you are going to one of the new places. If she liked it, change the list by spending 30 seconds on the file @ email it to her. If not, add one of the others. Repeat when next place closes. Try other new places for mundane special events only.
Cmon man you are supposed to be a problem SOLVER not CREATOR right? xd
Open yelp on your phone. Filter by open now, and whatever else you want (at least 3 stars, not more than 3 dollar signs, within five miles). Hand your phone to her, say "pick one."
Well something about the delivery seemed callous but I never said anything about tricking her. It IS a joke. But it's also something that works, and is something that you carefully took the time to make for her. Jokes can be practical as well.
I remember my grandparents getting me an emergency toolkit as a present when I got my first car, joking that they knew I was going to crash or leave my lights on or something. I laughed at myself, and later on used it to help several friends, being thankful that they gave me the kit =P
You should see the looks people give me when I pull out baby's first jumper cables. And then the look when their car starts a minute later. Thanks Nana. And lavender is probably one of your husband's best colors anyway.
If it's a small-ish canvas tote like bag....then I believe we have the exact same tool kit. My husband has a garage full of manly tools but almost always goes for little purple and grey bag more often than not for simple stuff. Haha.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She wants a man for dinner. A man handles the dinner
I feel like the next step in evolution for that. I ask my boyfriend to list places to eat and we'll figure out what I want when I stop saying no to things. It's not much of a step, but at least I've achieved self awareness.
We adopted a household rule that you couldn't veto a food choice without offering an alternative. It's not a perfect system, but it's better better to say "screw it, we'll just get chinese again" than getting a half-hour hungrier and a half-hour angrier at each other.
We have a rule where you can't just veto. If I suggest somewhere and my husband doesn't like it, he has to have an alternative suggestion. So if I suggest Mexican food, he'll veto and suggest Thai. If I veto, then I could suggest Mediterranean, etc. until we agree.
That makes it so it's not one sided and less frustrating.
I've always wondered how successful a restaurant chain called "don't care" would be. Each item on the menu would be: "Don't know", Whatever", "You decide", "not that".
You could have semi funny commercials anyone can relate to. No one needs to know the menu from memory either. No more double flipped cheese burger sewer alps special with pisskaas, just "uh, whatever, I guess?" and bam, there's your menu.
Depends on your idea of "work." The point is to get her to stop waffling. (Mmm... waffles...) If you refuse to enable the behavior, she'll stop exhibiting it.
Or she'll throw an unholy bitchfit. But one would hope that you'd know beforehand if you're dating the sort of woman who would react this way.
Mine got smart with it - whenever I ask her to choose she just says "sushi.". If I say no, I'm the one who needs to come up with something and since she would eat sushi every day, I can't win.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:54:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Play the long game and wait for mercury poisoning.
That sounds like a great plan until you explain it to your wife/girlfriend and she says, "I'm serious, just pick. I don't care."
Then you pick. Then she says, "Anything but that." And so on.
matwick ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something I saw on Reddit that has been an absolute godsend. Pick three places and tell her to pick two, then you decide which one of them you get. It streamlined a major source of annoyance.
Someone also mentioned 5-3-1 which gives her more decisions. I also have trouble coming up with 5 places to eat that aren't similar.
Bar1.
Bar2.
Tacos.
Sushi.
Pizza.
TeamJim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since every guy on earth seems to have a problem with this I can only assume there is a secret women's society dedicated to being indeciseive on dinner.
My male friend had this problem with me this summer when we went out for food. I didn't want to disappoint him by choosing something crappy. His solution: shout "Have an OPINIOOOOON!"
:D Then we laughed and I chose something. It turned out to be crappy...
or when you do have a preference and then you pretend blind
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Provide this plan to your guy. Problem solved. :)
Ask her what she wants. Assuming she doesn't know, proceed to step 2.
Ask her to get in the car so you guys can go out to eat. Ask again what she wants. Assuming she doesn't know, proceed to step 3.
Give two options. Assuming she doesn't choose, proceed to step 4.
Choose one and drive there, Let her know on the way that you will change to whatever she prefers. Assuming she doesn't choose before you park, proceed to step 5.
Go inside and order. Enjoy. Assuming she didn't join you inside and eat, proceed to step 6.
Take her home/her place. Offer to accompany her to her preferred dining option should she choose something before you get there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed your SO was male. If you are in a same sex relationship I assumed you could figure out how to translate those directions to apply to your current SO.
Are you seriously unable to work out that I was referring to your partner? The world must be very mysterious to you if so.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless your heart. My apologies, I didn't fully grasp the situation.
When you said "disappointing the other person" I had assumed that you were in a straight relationship or that you could adapt what I had said to your current situation whatever it might be.
In this case, you were responding to a discussion about people in relationships, and had referred to yourself and someone else in your reply.
Communication relies on many, many assumptions, and in this case I made a reasonable assumption that you were in a relationship.
I had also been vaguely aware that your relationship status may not be what I thought it was. So I trusted that you could read what was written and apply it to yourself to whatever degree it fit.
Someone familiar with some of the difficulties you face may be able to explain it in a way that is clear to you.
Apparently women get less and less decisive about group decisions like this as we age and society conditions us to put our wants and needs after others.
Like, if you ask a kid what they want to eat, they answer directly, regardless of gender. As they get older, it becomes "I want this, what do you want", then finally "I don't know, what do you want?" because we know we shouldn't suggest the "wrong" thing.
It happens to guys in groups too (it's how groups end up going to a place no one wants to go because it sounded like the most inoffensive idea), but it's worse for women.
My wife will spend 20 minutes looking at the same menu from the same place we've been ordering from for 10 years.
Sounds funny, but in reality there are times in those moments I'd like stick a fork in her eye.
pepcorn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm like this ๐ I'm always thinking "hmmm, do I want something different this time..? ooh, maybe this one.. ugh no actually, i think i had this once before at this place, and it wasn't that great. wait, was it this place though..? maybe I'm thinking of that other place. shit, should i risk it or not? i really want something different though. maybe i should go with the safe choice after all.. wait, should i???" repeat ad nauseum
Yup that's her. She treats every meal like it's her last.
pepcorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if she was my wife we'd both probably starve bc we'd feed into each other's indecisive loop and never arrive to any kind of decision. she's lucky she married you ๐ฏ
My fiance is the same way. I put the same shit on Netflix all the time, because I'm only half watching/listening while I dick around on reddit. But without fail he tosses the remote to me and says "pick something". I've come to figure out the way to get him to pick for himself is to say "I'll just put on (show name) again." after we've binge watched it for weeks. I don't get tired of cartoons, even after I've seen them a million times. For him, the repetition gets on his nerves. So it's pick something out yourself or be annoyed by my choice.
Just get something and look like you're enjoying it. Whenever I ask my wife if she'd like a soda, she says no. I buy one for myself and she instantly asks "can I have some of that?".
One of myexes has sort of reconditioned me on this. He said that if I said no I have to make a suggestion. And if I didn't, we go where he wanted. It worked really well. I still go by that rule.
poexone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright so get one of those kid toys with the farm animals on it, cow goes moo, pig goes oink, etc etc. Now print out some of your favorite restaurants and glue over those animals. Spin it, cow goes moo becomes favorite burger joint. Chicken clucking? Boom chicken wings.
Awfy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fixed this a long time ago. If I ask what she wants to eat and gives me a whatever, I'll tell her what I want. If she says no to that I give her 5 mins to think of one thing she'd want instead and if she hasn't decided I go and get what I initially said. Simple, no time wasting, no arguments.
I've extended the same thing to any group activity too. When the group is uh-ing and hm-ing about what to do next I will just make a decision for them and 9/10 times they all just do it.
Essentially, if someone takes charge of the situation things go a lot smoother. Expecting someone else to take charge is the number one mistake.
BZLuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man walking along a California beach was deep in prayer. Suddenly, the sky clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, the Lord said, "Because you have TRIED to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish."
The man said, "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can drive over anytime I want." The Lord said, "Your request is very materialistic. Think of the enormous challenges for that kind of undertaking. The supports to the bottom of the Pacific! The concrete and steel it would take! It will nearly exhaust every natural resource I have made. I can do it, but it is hard for me to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think of something that would honor and glorify me."
The man thought about it for a long time. Finally he said, "Lord, I wish that I could understand my wife. I want to know how she feels inside, what she's thinking when she gives me the silent treatment, why she cries, what she means when she says nothing's wrong, and how I can make a woman truly happy."
The Lord replied, "You want two lanes or four on that bridge?"
Sorry I saw this so late, I have had many fantastic conversations with my wife, and daughter, but do not mistake that for me grasping the cosmic mystery that is a woman's mind. And I hope I never do understand it. It is the mystery that keeps me so engaged and entertained.
It's simple, she wants whatever is on your plate, even though you ordered exactly the amount of food that you wanted to eat and if you wanted to have some of what she had you would have ordered it yourself. Every single time Shannon.
I just brought my ex to the same steak house when she couldn't make a decision. She caught on after a few times and now actually decides every once in a while.
astymin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so question, does it bother y'all if we say we don't care and then genuinely don't care? Because that's how I am but if that's just as irritating then I'll actually decide.
Awfy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you truly don't care then tell them to pick somewhere and you'll go, don't end with "I don't care". In fact play it off as more of a "I kinda wanna go wherever you want tonight".
I'm an asshole. Let's be clear on that. Because after you finish reading this reply the next phrase that comes to you will be, "Wow, what an asshole!"
From time to time my wife will ask that we eat out instead of cooking at home. I always agree because I think she works too hard as it is. And so I try and pick a place we can both enjoy. I know, I know, you're asking why this makes me an asshole, and that doesn't. It's what happens next...
Me: "Okay, let's go eat at the Grand Buffet, our favorite Chinese restaurant."
Her: "No, I'm not in the mood for Chinese."
Me: "Hrmm, okay. How about Don Juan? I really like their fajitas."
Her: "No Mexican food. It gives me heartburn."
Me: "Okay. I'll drive us to Burger King. If you think of some place you'd rather go, speak up before we get in line."
It always works. We usually end up at the Grand Buffet, but sometimes we eat at BK. When she tries to make me pick another spot I stick to my guns and stubbornly drive to BK.
nitori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:22 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't know" means "I don't know what to tell you because I want five different things from five different places and I know you'll look at me like I'm crazy if I tell you I want a burger from A, fries from B, a quesadilla from C, chicken wings from D and nachos from E."
There's still no solution, but that's what it means.
When you ask, give her three specific options. If she can choose between any of them, it's a win. If not, you have a decent chance of learning that she's just a cunt who wants to fight and you should break up with her.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Follow these steps and you will never have to deal with that again.
Ask her what she wants. Assuming she doesn't know, proceed to step 2.
Ask her to get in the car so you guys can go out to eat. Ask again what she wants. Assuming she doesn't know, proceed to step 3.
Give two options. Assuming she doesn't choose, proceed to step 4.
Choose one and drive there, Let her know on the way that you will change to whatever she prefers. Assuming she doesn't choose before you park, proceed to step 5.
Go inside and order. Enjoy. Assuming she didn't join you inside and eat, proceed to step 6.
Take her home/her place. Offer to accompany her to her preferred dining option should she choose something. Assuming she doesn't choose, proceed to step 7.
Repeat 1-6 for the next three meals together. If she never chooses proceed to step 8.
Since you no longer have a girlfriend, eat wherever you want.
This is easy. I'm a woman so I can give you some insight. Just tell her that you're grabbing [insert a place she hates here] for dinner then she'll say no, I want [insert actual dinner choice here]. That works 40% of the time with me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get the "What's for Dinner" app. You put in a list of n-number items and spin the wheel. What it lands on is decree. Don't like it? Should have picked something
Step 1. Write all the places you both can tolerate on a piece of paper. Cut them all out, fold them, stick them in a hat.
Step 2. Pull out one of the names from the hat! And Voila!
Step 3. Toss the piece of paper, draw another. Then!
Step 4. Toss out this piece of paper, draw another.
Repeat until you realize that this idea didn't actually help at all, it just added extra steps and made everything more complicated.
Paraxic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solution suggest stuff, most of us honestly don't care and talking about possibilities actually allows us to think about it if its something we're good with we dont care if we don't want it we will tell you that!
-- "what do you want for supper"(you) "I don't care"(this person)
Do the five-three game! One of you pick five restaurants, the other pick three of the five. The first person picks one of the three remaining. Nobody can complain and you can take turns being the five. My gf can't say shit to me anymore about where we ate!
Also works for at home meals!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can ask a woman on death row what she wants to eat and she will say "I dunno, what do you feel like?"
I'm guilty of this myself, if I'm hungry but don't feel like anything in particular. It sounds dumb, but offer two options for her to choose between. "Hey, I feel like either pizza or Indian, what would you prefer?" Then she can choose one of those or, if she actually already had something in mind, she'll suggest that instead.
I think I saw it on a LPT, but I really like the 5-2-1 trick. One of you picks five restaurants, the other picks two of them, the first person chooses between the remaining two.
When she can't make up her mind, ask her if there's anything in particular she doesn't want. It helps.
...sometimes.
Shryxer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, this is my inner monologue before every meal:
Stomach: FEED ME
Brain: Okay what do you want to eat?
Stomach: IDK
Brain: Do you want [Option A]?
Stomach: NO
Brain: [Option B]?
Stomach: NO
Brain: [Option C]?
Stomach: NO
Brain: tf do you want then?
Stomach: IDK
Brain: ...
Stomach: FEED ME
Brain: (โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
Look familiar? Unfortunately for me, I can't break up with my stomach. :(
Growing up though is another story, zero g isnt great for building a strong body, and skeletal growth will be all out of wack (unless we actually make something with artifical gravity to counter that).
The O'Neil study proposed building a city in space for $500 billion but that was too much. A decade later they had to come up with that same amount of money to bail out the S&Ls and that was OK for some reason. My opinion is that the city in space would have paid a higher dividend than bankrolling a bunch of guys who weren't very good at playing capitalist.
No but, as I recall, it was only a decade later. Granted, the O'Neil study cut a few corners such as using the tanks that the space shuttle jettisoned as reaction mass for a solar powered mass driver that would deliver supplies to the factory on the moon. The factory on the moon was to fabricate the parts for the city and deliver them to the L5 point using a mass driver.
I can imagine a dozen possible failure points in the plan but I also believe that the payoff for having a city of 10,000 people in a permanent settlement would be huge. Just my opinion, of course.
There is no reason we would have a lunar colony. It was proposed in 1989 and shot down in US Congress. It would be extremely expensive and unreasonable to have it there.
A colony on Mars is different. There's an atmosphere, some gravity, chemicals we could convert into air and water. We could grow limited crops. Also, Mars would be a great commerce point to anywhere else in our Solar System because of its low gravity! It'd be way less expensive to have something leave Mars than it would Earth.
This is my thing! I'm going to school to be a physician on the Orion missions to Mars. My dream at least!
Do you think mining on the moon is a good idea? If we mess that up, it could destroy life on Earth but messing with the tides alone! Mining on the moon sounds like BIG trouble.
True, but energy generation and mining rock and regolith are completely different things. If we ever mine out that much, we'd have the technology to direct an asteroid to the moon to replace the lost mass.
I'm not Jeff Bezos, as much as I'd like to be. I have no idea. It's his plan. Though the likelihood of permanent damage to the moon from mining is slim. Now, if we tried building a hypergate then we might cause problems...
I don't really see an orbital colony taking off any time soon. Really the only advantage to living in orbit would be the view; while magnificent, it's not enough of a reason to offset the cost and risk. Perhaps once a space elevator becomes operational to reduce building and transport costs, then maybe we'll see living in space become a real option.
A mining / resource gathering operation would be the most likely reason we'd see an off world colony. As you say, it's expensive and there needs to be a monetary incentive to go do it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if there's too much dumbassery on earth, you always have a place to run. That would be the benefit for most.
There is so much of new industry and technology in low an 0 gravity that it could be very profitable. Only thing prohibitive is cost of launching first mining and construction fabricating facility.
I'd like to eventually see a self-sustaining, self-governing off-world civilization. If we as a species were no longer dependent on this one planet, that would be huge to me.
I'd at least like a colony outside of the Earth system, but not necessarily on Mars. There are so many other awesome places just in our solar system, like the moons of Jupiter and Saturn (Titan or Europa might be a hell of a lot better than Mars for interplanetary travel. Or even building a cloud city in Venus's upper atmosphere). We really ought to send more probes out there first, instead of putting all our eggs in the Mars basket
zajun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope that humanity fixes our problems on Earth before we start colonizing offworld. Otherwise we're just going to spread like a disease throughout the galaxy, draining planets of resources and trashing them and then moving on to the next
When I was in high school I was a mess. Room was always disorganized and junk everywhere. However, when I went to college I really couldn't take everything with me - just essentials.
I had a lot less space to work with and less junk to fill that space, so it just naturally wasn't as cluttered.
When we go to Mars we won't have the baggage of 7 billion citizens in need of infrastructure, and thousands of years of mess that we've been building on top of. Hopefully we will take what we need, and that's it.
In the same way that planned cities are more organized and efficient than cities that grew over time - I think Mars has a chance to show us a clean slate for our new knowledge to build on.
The Mars colony will be new. Whether or not we can solve Earths problems by then won't matter, which is good because we can't. We've made a mess so big it would take another 1000 years to clean up.
Maybe one day we will, but for now we need to expand and be more responsible everywhere we land.
zajun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. The part that I'm arguing is like you said, we need to be more responsible when we land.
I didn't mean to say make humanity a utopia before we move on, but I think laws and regulations and such need to be in place before moving to other planets. I don't want the solar system to fall victim to the tragedy of the commons, and I think the current attitude towards the environment is despicable and worry that even if regulations were introduced they wouldn't be enough to keep new planets and colonies sustainable.
I don't want humanity to destroy the potential for colonies in the future because of short-sightedness. If we rushed to other planets in a panic it would be much more difficult to fix issues than it would be to plan ahead and hopefully prevent as many as possible.
Either way, getting to new planets is the next big step for humanity. I just hope it will be done in a way that is long term sustainable.
Bullshit we don't have time to fix problems on earth if we don't go into space in this century we are dead as species. Resources will end soon, global warming or next asteroid will finish us off. Now or never.
290077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Otherwise we're just going to spread like a disease throughout the galaxy
"Disease" implies that we're causing a negative effect on it. What negative effect will we be causing, exactly?
Draining planets of resources
Nobody else is using them right now, and nobody else probably ever will use them.
Trashing them
Why would humanity "trashing" an empty planet devoid of life be a bad thing? It's absolutely not comparable to, say, trashing a nature preserve here on Earth.
zajun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I say trashing I mean taking everything of use and abandoning the planet in a state that's unusable. You say nobody else will ever use that planet, which if we take off everything of use that's true. I think we should focus on responsibly harvesting new planets to leave the possibility to colonize them. Humanity is going to continue to expand and grow and I don't think it's wise to burn bridges.
I would love this, but it doesnโt seem super realistic (as of right now). Iโm no expert at this, but I do know that the ISS is estimated at about 160 billion USD, making it the single most expensive man made object in history. Putting things in space is crazy expensive. โToday, it costs $10,000 to put a pound of payload in Earth orbit. NASA's goal is to reduce the cost of getting to space to hundreds of dollars per pound within 25 years and tens of dollars per pound within 40 years.โ quotedfromhere. If things go the way NASA hopes, then that would be awesome and cost efficient, but right now itโs pretty damn expensive.
Building a colony on Mars, Venus, or even just the moon would require huge amounts of money, and right now space agencies cough,NASA,cough, are pretty underfunded. A quick google shows that NASAโs annual budget is 18.5 billion USD, or 0.5% of the US governments 3.4 trillion every year. If we manage to get a man on Mars, then itโs possible the public would be more interested in space, and then NASA could get some more money. Otherwise, the only way I could see it happening is if NASA dedicates most of its budget to the colony and slowly build it over many years. Although, it could be used while being built like the ISS. They could have people living on it while more parts of it are sent to Mars.
I apologize for making you read this disorganized piece of crap full of uneducated assumptions; I just thought Iโd share.
baftap ยท 336 points ยท Posted at 13:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is amazing to think that within my lifetime, or maybe my children's lifetime, there could be a colony on Mars. The first Martian could be born. It's crazy.
Look, I'm way out of my depth here so I'll admit that freely, but in a world where we are discussing whether or not we all live in a computer simulation...I don't know, I'm leaving open some Star Trek/Mass Effect scenarios that would blow our minds but are highly unlikely or even contradicted by currently known scientific evidence.
Dude. Chill your pill, nobody here is claiming that humans lived on Mars, that's ridiculous, and nobody in their right mind would believe that. The only reason I'm responding to you is because the people on this thread (a thread that was CREATED for speculation) are speculating, and you are shutting them down like they're not allowed to have fun or dream outside the box. Everyone here agrees with you, of course humans didn't live on Mars, but you miss the beauty and the fun of a "what if" scenario
Gestation would probably go really badly wrong in gravity signficantly different to Earth's. I don't think anything outside of 0.8-1.2g would allow for a full-term pregnancy. But here's hoping I guess.
I could see us landing on Mars. I doubt a colony would happen. The Moon is a lot closer and easier and look how many decades have passed since we visited it with even a manned mission.
Of course living on Mars would be more appealing than the Moon for most.
I always have the biggest problem with responses like this in regard to the future and space.
Not being able to do something right NOW does not mean it's a pipe dream.
That thing you think is a dream? People's careers are made my trying to solve it. Same is true for all "impossible" feats.
It's closed minded thinking, and you project it onto others when you act arrogant about it.
Space research has always been resisted by close minded people. Luckily, technology has always shut them up, even if it takes hundreds of thousands of years.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:43:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially because there are people still alive today who thought leaving earths atmosphere, reaching the moon, and any type of space travel was a "pipe dream."
Humans don't realize how fast modern technology is progressing.
Sputnik was in 1957. Tech moves fast. (and for you kids who think 1957 was some long long ago around 20% of the current US population was alive for it.
The thing that amazes me the most is that it took us 66 years to go from the Wright brothers flying 40 meters on a plane made of cardboard to Niel Armstrong landing on the fucking Moon. There were people who were taught in school how heavier than air flight is impossible, who lived to witness the Moon landing.
Except he's right, not just because of the gravity difference.
The soil on Mars is not suitable for growing biological life as we know it (even disregarding the fact that the atmosphere on Mars isn't conducive to plant life).
Honest question: can we bring our own soil? Like, for the first colony it shouldn't be much, but I can see it being a problem if we have to transport an unimaginable amount of it.
For small amounts it might be possible. It would be easier to just bring raw materials that can be used to improve the soil already there and make it so that it no longer sucks.
And solutions will be made. You're only considering the level of technology we have at this very moment. While this isn't unreasonable as you're approaching things with the facts we know, you're being close-minded towards future developments. Who's to say that we aren't able to create biospheres of sorts to grow food?
We are not going to mars, ever. Sorry millennials, thats a fact. And there is no Reason to go there, thats a bigger fact. Send rovers, send 100 rovers. That Im cool with.
Yep. Humanity should keep all its eggs in one basket and never, ever, move beyond one planet. It's not like extinction level events could happen at any moment that wipes human life out on Earth. Nope. No siree. /s
none at all. Only barrier is time, money and knowledge. The ability to modify genetics to the extent of creating wholesale biological changes to adapt to new environments is an inevitability assuming we don't drive ourselves to extinction before we get there.
The philosophical question, however, is will those people be humans?
Ravn000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They would and wouldn't. They'll be Homo, even Homo Sapiens, but not Homo Sapiens Sapiens (as we are). Maybe Homo Sapiens Martianus.
Can you please explain? Human beings are incredibly adaptable and can clearly operate in gravities that differ from the surface of the earth I.e. Living on the space station for extended periods of time. And IIRC gravity isn't necessary to give birth, but I don't know very much on the subject. I don't think we're close to having a baby born on Mars, but to say a human will never be born there (which I feel your pipe dream comment implies, but I could be wrong) seems unreasonable.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gravity makes pumping blood to the brain harder, that's why going from laying down to standing up makes some people faint (when laying down all your blood has more or less the same gravitational potential so higher absolute gravity doesn't make much difference).
DCromo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also aids in the return trip.
But more than that your bone and muscle mass are the big ones. Plus it's hard enough watching a kid period let alone one that could float away on you.
Not really enough to make a difference, venous blood isn't under much pressure but it is under pressure and in the absence of forces against it will return to the heart just fine without gravity. The only area it needs assistance is returning from the legs, for the opposite reason (returning against gravity).
As for bone and muscle mass, yeah, they'd be worse, but so what? They'd be worse because Mars has lower gravity, but that happens to be where the kid would be growing up anyway. Yes, it wouldn't be ideal for a return trip but a return trip from a Mars colony is a lot further off than current colonisation efforts anyway.
Also, why would the kid float away? Mars may not have earth gravity but it's still got decent gravity.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the floating thing was a joke.
but you grow as you do because you're growing in this environment. maybe everything turns out okay but i doubt it would.
you have thins under tension in your body because of the weight they hold. if your weight was decreased your bones are only going to grow to hold up so much. you'd never be able to return to earth if you were raised in mars.
i'm not going to look for sources but iirc there were a few i read that said growing up in low gravity potentially could be devastating.
and that's also the point, venous blood isn't under pressure because it doesn't have to be. you risk it either becoming under pressure to return to the heart or not having enough low behind it to return. if your heart isn't pumping as hard and your bp decreases on its own there's def potential for big risks there. plus a kid might grow up with a heart pumping x% of a normal heart and when they become an adult they can't unction like a normal one with their heart muscle developed only 75%.
Venous blood is under pressure - not much, but it's there. That's how blood returns from, say, your gut to your heart. There's no reason that 30-50% gravity would interfere with venous drainage of the brain when 100% gravity the other way isn't enough to stop other veins, which work exactly the same way, from draining.
As for heart load, yeah, it probably wouldn't develop as much, similar to how the heart of an elite athlete is much stronger than that of a couch potato. But it would develop with more than enough capacity for life on Mars, just as the bones would.
As for not returning to Earth, again, so what? Early colonisation efforts aren't going to have return trips as an option anyway. From a logistical perspective this is much like colonisation efforts hundreds of years ago - it's not a pleasure cruise, it's a vast expenditure of resources such that adding enough extra resources for a return trip would be infeasible. Longer term there would be issues with returns to Earth but by then experience with child development in lower G environments would be much better and enable better approaches.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is we don't know how it's effect it. Something that isn't under pressure with less gravity might just not flow is my point. Ever seen how liquids act in reduced gravity? It's strange.
But we do, venous return is actually pretty similar in an infant or fetus compared to an adult, and they go into space all the time. Plus, you're describing microgravity. Mars may be a bit more floaty than Earth but 40% Earth gravity isn't anything to sneeze at.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:47 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's your development into an adult that's the issue.
It's not though, because the physical loads don't change enough in 40% gravity for there to be different circulatory development to an Earth born child.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:04 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol the point is we don't know.
There's already conditions where the body can't sustain adult life because of smaller hearts or weakened bone structure.
You'll see very similar things. Martians will have stupidly short life expectancy and the few generations it takes to adapt will have stupidly high mortality rates.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And as for not returning to Earth... we're making the choice for someone to grow up in a series of buildings and restricted space and never experiencing the beauty of their home planet. When a perfectly viableโ option is to raise them on Earth and send them to Mars if they want to go.
Birthing and raising them on Mars will entail a lot of tough decisions and go through a lot of risk just to birth and then take on a ton of uncertainty to raise the kid there.
The on top of that, possibly limiting them to stunted development, weaker hearts and short life expectancy, early osteoporosis they can only see Earth in pictures. This big beautiful green and blue place.
Oh come on, just to say we made Martians? Please. Get an ethical bone in your body.
It's not to say we made Martians - we can colonise other worlds or die here as a species. Evolutionarily humans were built to spread everywhere we can, even if that means testing the limits of everything up to and including reproduction. From a philosophical perspective many humans see their purpose as being to explore and understand this big empty universe. Either goal requires eventual colonisation of other worlds, which means off world human births. Children don't choose to be born in Africa to starving families with no access to resources. Children don't choose to be born to parents with rare, known or unknown genetic diseases. The child isn't there to make a choice until born, why shouldn't they be allowed to be born on Mars? Like I said, Martian colonisation isn't a pleasure cruise - we're talking the most distant frontier humans have ever sought to reach. That takes old school hardship, same as that faced by the first British colonists of the US, same as that faced by any extremely early colonisation effort. Children of the first European US settlers didn't ask to be born in an environment with precious little resources let alone luxuries, and the same likely applied to early native American people when they arrived. Childbirth didn't happen in those circumstances as a "let's have a child for kicks!" moment, it happened as a part of the way that humans explore and populate new areas. The natural cycle of life when seeding a new ecosystem.
Ethics aren't 100% objective. You can't say that the child has no choice therefore you can't do it, because not everyone decision is valued on choice and even if it were choice isn't always available. An unborn child can't choose whether or not to be born, and it's perfectly reasonable for the parents, acting as decision makers in stead, to decide that what's best for the child's future is to be at the forefront of a new colony, to help drive humanity forward into the stars.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:47 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there's a viable option to be born here and choose to go. Where as being born there cuts off all chances of coming here.
If your parents live on Mars as part of a one way colonisation mission your choices are to be born on Mars or to not be born at all. Most parents consider existence to be superior to non-existence even if it means not being able to visit Earth, what with Earth not being accessible to the existence challenged either.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:23 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. But a limited existence when there's the option to have and raise the kid on Mars and then allow them to make the choice to go themselves ensures and guarantees so much more for the child. You explain to a 15, 16 year old that their existence is important even though they miss out on all semblance of a normal life because we have to colonize Mars.
Especially when there's 7billion people on Earth many of who would be fine, already born candidates.
We're not talking about planning the colonisation here, we're talking about colonists who have already landed. There's no more manned resupply missions. At this point any child born on Mars would either be born on Mars or not born at all (since their parents are, y'know, on Mars). Given that the options for these potential humans are existence on Mars with all the developmental limitations that implies or total non existence it's not longer such a clear cut statement that it is fundamentally unethical to have those children.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:20 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol okay. Sure, exactly. And it wouldn't be after that point. We'd have to experience to see if a child born there can even live into adulthood.
Until you have to have that experiment, you're not going to. Not in my lifetime, not in yours.
Hope that resupply mission doesn't come off the table after 30 years, leaving everyone on Mars both infertile and too elderly to look after themselves without further help.
But really, if the goal of colonising Mars is to make a self sustaining civilisation on another world then relying on external breeding is already a failure. So it comes down to whether or not you think it's reasonable to take educated risks (yes, we don't know, but we can make good guesses based on what we know already, and use current and near future technologies to mitigate it) to enable humanity to explore this otherwise purposeless universe. I think it is, you think it isn't. Neither of us are the final authority on the issue.
pyronius ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:11:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how in gods name do you know what martian gravity would do to a human child? Literally every human ever to exist has been born on earth. At best, we have a few small experimental colonies of animals on the space station, but nothing renotely close to human, and zero gravity is not the same as low gravity.
People who live at high altitudes have larger hearts. People who live in hot climates are more efficient at cooling themselves. People who live where famine is a regular event are better at storing fat. The human body adapts to a wide variety of scenarios, and while nobody has ever had to adapt to a life in low gravity before, they've almost certainly had to adapt to the physiological changes it would bring for one reason or another.
Claiming a human couldn't live on mars due to its lesser gravity is like claiming dogs can't live indoors because there's not enough sunlight.
Cripple has already been a noun, but then we as a society deemed it offensive and don't regularly use it anymore. That was his point.
Mry0guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
facts. I see what you mean.
Lukiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think people in this chain understand that language changes, but calling someone a cripple is demeaning and rude. It would be a crippled person, not just a cripple, as if they're different than just a human.
There is gravity on mars just not as strong as earths.
I don't think there's actually been any studies on the effects of a low (But still existent) gravity on infant development.
There is a very real possibility that a child born on mars wouldn't be able to live on earth, due to as you say muscle wastage (or non development in the first place) and reduced bone density. But .5 or whatever it is G is surely enough to allow for organ development and pumping blood round the body?
Humans on mars may well be slightly deformed and unable to exist on higher G world's. But we just don't know enough to say for sure whether they would live or die. And obviously it's not an experiment we could run....
Aanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard about a study were they took pregnant mice into orbit to see if they'd develop and give birth normally. They all miscarried. Hard to interpolate too much on what would happen at Mars gravity level.
Yeah. I very much agree that 0g births would at best be incredibly difficult. But there is a very big difference between 0g and low g conditions. And simulating low g for a whole pregnancy (even for mice) is pretty difficult to do. Would be a very interesting study though, and one in sure we'd conduct pretty quickly if we have any sort of mars colony.
Aanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember right, there was a plan to put a wheel module on the space station that would have let us do this, but it got axed.
You're making a statement of fact when there is no evidence.
Nobody has ever conducted an experiment to see how embryos develop in 0.3g. We have conducted many reproduction experiments in space. jellyfish, frogs. We've proven that complex organisms can reproduce in microgravity. They have a hard time adapting to normal gravity after returning, but it isn't impossible.
But we can't really easily recreate a constant 0.3g environment. Nobody knows if that's enough gravity to keep people healthy or not.
Could you be born on mars and live a full life there? Nobody knows. Could you be born on mars and ever come to earth or would you be incapable of adapting to the gravity?
For that matter we don't even know if a person can live on the surface of mars for years and then re-adapt to earth gravity.
Not knowing is not the same as something being impossible.
If enough people there are having babies, I suspect such harsh conditions would lead to a period of rapid human evolution. I'm not aware to what extent research on pregnancy in reduced gravity has been done but as long as a real one has not taken place our assumptions could be very wrong.
the slightest change in actual evolution takes millions of years
No opinion on the whole Mars thing, but this comment simply isn't true, there are multiple examples of fast evolutionary change such as the Lizards of Pod Mrcaru
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Darwin's observation that he used to support evolution.
No not necessarily. Extrem conditions generally accelerate the process quite a bit. Simply because way more specimen die off and the genome gets "filtered" much more thoroughly. For example after our ancestors first left the trees and started living on the ground we developed an intrinsic fear of the dark within about a hundred generations or so. Everyone who wasnt extra alert in the night simply got eaten by predators.
jurgy94 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It actually does not. Severe selective pressure rapidly influences the genetic composition of a population in just a few generations. Now if we as human species let it come this far is another question since it's rather amoral. But if we manage to create a self sustaining colony that is cut off from the rest of the human race due to some catastrophic incident I could see it happening.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Teddude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The concept you are referring to is that humans don't have the genes to create gills already present, so even a human that would benefit from them would never develop them. This is true to a good extent (disregarding random mutations), however, it forgets to acknowledge how humans already have the capability to change a lot of traits through natural selection. As a very basic example, people in colder climates tended to have lighter skin, because that helped with the body's production of vitamin D- something that darker skin inhibited. Humans in this instance had the genetic capability for skin variation. Extend this to the effects of lower gravity on the body, and all sorts of adaptations could become more common, hence what these other commenters were referring to. Maybe traits that can already be varied between humans (body size, vein structure, the effects of pressure on the body) would naturally be selected in favor of those who benefit a lower gravity. It's not out of the realm of possibility.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Teddude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great example! Mathically speaking it's already been done before. Over at The Library of Babel not only is there Shakespeare written at complete random, but you'll also find a well-written, thought provoking argument backing up your ideas. Although one of those two is a lot less likely.
movdev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mathematics != monkeys.
assume a monkey will type on a typewritter then not mess with the typewritter or paper before the next 'random' key press..
also i did say a work of shakespeare....not a line
Teddude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole point of the monkeys and typewriters experiment is probability, so they actually have a lot in common. Are you sure you didn't find Shakespeare though? It's definitely there, you just have to look really hard
movdev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
an actual experiment with monkeys would not have the same result as this computer model. how monkeys interact with a typewritter (if at all) and then subsequent (or not) interactions are not measurable by probability.
computer model != reality
Teddude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're misunderstanding the point of that thought experiment. The monkey's and typewriters thought experiment is in the same category as Schrodinger's Cat- they're not literal experiments, they're theorems that explain certain concepts. Both would make very little sense as physical experiments, but they demonstrate a concept (probability, quantum mechanics) in a way that is supposed to be very straightforward and easy for non-scientists to understand. No one is actually suggesting that you get monkeys and have them type on a typewriter. The website I showed you is evidence in support of the infinite monkey theorem, not any literal experiments done with animals.
movdev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right i understand that. the original comment was in reply to the assumption that 'given enough time humans would evolve what they need to survive on mars'. read thread for context thanks for the link
Teddude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If enough people there are having babies, I suspect such harsh conditions would lead to a period of rapid human evolution. I'm not aware to what extent research on pregnancy in reduced gravity has been done but as long as a real one has not taken place our assumptions could be very wrong.
I think we are finding more and more reasons that children on Mars is improbable to the point of impossibility. Women who are pregnant aren't even supposed to go on carnival rides, which I don't think reach atmospheric escape velocity.
Rockets leaving mars wouldn't have to have especially high acceleration. Nowhere near like on earth. The main reason we accelerate rockets so fast on earth is because we have so much gravity and so much atmosphere. The less time you spend in the thick atmosphere the less fuel you waste. And since we have so much gravity if you don't accelerate quickly to orbit you'll just fall back down again.
The most aggressive ride to space for a human, even from earth's surface, is actually gentler than a really intense rollercoaster (which often get upwards of 5-6Gs in spots)
Re-entry can be rough, depending on what sort of profile you use. The shuttle only re-entered at like 3Gs if memory serves. Winged vehicles re-enter pretty gently over a long distance. Capsules come in steeper and faster.
On mars, a landing would be the harshest part. But ascent would probably never need to exceed 3Gs and could probably be less.
Here I am having a 50% tongue-in-cheek conversation about space babies and you come in with a technical explanation of the application of G-forces on the body during escape and re-entry to and from two separate planets.
Aanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The main reason we accelerate rockets so fast on earth is because we have so much gravity and so much atmosphere.
Not exactly. A fuel-optimized Mars launch would still likely involve a pretty big peak g. Many earth launch designs incorporate some kind of throttling. A rocket going full burn will reach peak g right before the fuel is exhausted. Saturn V would turn off engines at it progressed to throttle. The Shuttle had a more complicated throttling system for its main engines in order to not go much over 3 g.
Anyway, yes it's easier to design a rocket for Mars, but it's more of just a design tradeoff between optimizing fuel consumption and passenger comfort.
Just remember that it isn't the velocity that causes issues, it's the acceleration. I also do not believe that the users in this thread are specifically saying that preggo women would have to fly in.
[deleted] ยท 4985 points ยท Posted at 11:13:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should really go back to the good ol' days when politicians knew how to compromise and find common ground. Too much polarization these days, amiright?
Too high value, really, to risk sending them to it. What we really need is another australia. A giant island full of deadly things that we can banish the entirety of their population to. In a few generations, the problems should fix themselves.
Space stuff, the final frontier. These are the voyages or whatever of the Starship Thingymabob. Their mission, to peace out and do whatever shit they feel like doing.
I feel like there's a significant difference between the science-driven work of the ISS and the exploratory nature of a manned Mars mission. To most people, exploration is just sexier than experimentation. Throw in the potential for claiming new territory and resources, not to mention historic bragging rights, and you have several political reasons to want to be the first rather than part of a united effort.
That doesn't mean it's not possible or preferable, just that it's more politically loaded than working together in a space station.
This thing is, we can explore Mars from Earth. It takes much longer and requires some very creative and precise feats of engineering in order to do it such a long distance, but we technically don't need humans on Mars to explore Mars. Not as long as we continuing advancing our robotic technology.
With that said, we would be able to do scientific exploration faster and with more volume if we could establish a colony and send human scientists; especially if it were in tandem with advanced robotic tech. Even just having people on the ground (well, the Martian ground) to reach a robot for repairs would double our efficiency.
The problem is convincing everyone that it's worth it. We have a hard enough time justifying the non-human robotic missions we already perform currently, because of the arguments which say "why spend millions on that when people are still starving."
The costs would be so high, that cooperation would be essential. The world may not work together, but nations would. Maybe America and China could do it, other individual nations couldn't. Europe would have to have a joint effort if any hope would be there.
I remember Civilisation Beyond Earth had the French/Iberian nation. And fans wanted a Northern European one combing the UK, Ireland and the Nordic nations (and you Finland but I know you hate being called Scandinavian).
fezzuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realise Europe is richer than both america and China and a hub of scientific research.
They recently landed a probe on an asteroid, quite a bit harder than a manned landing on the moon.
I do, and enjoy citizenship in two of its member states. (At least till the full exit of the UK). I was making a point, but lumping 500 million unique peoples, many not even in the EU into one bag is downright silly.
fezzuk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are talking about space exploration not cultural differences here.
The ESA managed to do the single most difficult mission ever done in space, they could do it.
A non profit probe, it's a great achievement. But it isn't anything like a colonisation effort, let alone getting a person to some far off celestial body.
fezzuk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:05:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still the most impressive bit of space exploration since the moon landing. And for some reason every one goes wow when musk can land a rocket on a barge one time in a hundred.
My point being its possible. And if they put their money in the EU are the most likely super power currently able.
To be fair, Europe is already working together on space, and has been for a while. Given the fact that no European nation could hope of doing it themselves, the political issues would only matter for selecting crew.
Yes but Russia is increasingly price gouging us on that and when the Dragon and/or CST-100 become operational for crewed missions that deal will end.
And of course we still work together on the ISS, but my main point is that ISS-level cooperation will not happen again in the current political climate.
The solution here is to keep governments out of it. Just let the scientists/engineers work together and the governments just keep them funded. Obviously, this will never happen, but it would be nice.
+ Trump behaving like a retard and messing with the whole thing because he wants to build a golf park in there or some bs like that, and then starts ranting on twitter about the ESA or any other "rival" space agency, arguing that it doesn't make 'Murica great again...
nism0o3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to be a pessimist but, I think there will be competition from nations trying to get their claim on Mars territory. Then we will have only the wealthy people colonizing, marketing and eventually monopolizing Mars in some way.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:40:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 1967 UN treaty declared all of outer space an international commons by describing it as the "province of all mankind" and forbidding all the nations from claiming territorial sovereignty. That treaty has been ratified by 102 nations including all the ones with a realistic shot of getting there.
Thank god mankind has such a long tradition of always sticking to their word for the good of others when power and resources are involved.
zenchan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:54:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Antarctic treaty system continues to hold, despite dramatic changes in world politics since it was ratified.
akcaye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon is also not "claimed".
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:52:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but peace has come a long way and space exploration is one of the most unified fields in terms of international co-operation. If one country decided to 'go it alone' they would struggle when the brains of every other country walked away.
If it worked for Antarctica, it can work for Mars. Especially since Antarctica is far more inhabitable.
TheTT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but nobody signed the moon treaty because it enshrined this stuff even further. The 1967 treaty was written with a few satellites and maybe a space station in mind - a full colony would require a certain amount of property rights by the individual humans and/or the collective colonists. That treaty is going down.
nism0o3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I realize this, its just a matter of time before someone challenges it or changes their mind. Especially if there is money to be made or leverage to exploit.
Veefy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you read Kim Stanley Robinson's trilogy on mars colonisation then?
nism0o3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope but now I have new books to find.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:58:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that pessimism? It's an immutable law of nature: Those who have, get.
If that bothers you, work to become one of the Haves.
nism0o3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Its the haves that ruin it for everybody thing that gets me the most. The haves that have to have more in the sense of monopolizing and killing competition. That whole thing.
Depends, a lot of times competition allows innovation. If everyone works together on one path, they'll stay on that route whether or not it's the more effective route.
At the same time, decentralized engineering often lends itself to more creative solutions and can reduce risk. Limited cooperation to help overcome large stumbling points is good, but often times giving the designers space to breathe is a better solution. Small teams working separate from each other can sometimes work faster and create new technological paths.
That's kinda how you get at things the fastest. Single programs tend to get set into certain ideas and become inflexible to change. That's why competition is such a powerful force for progress.
I'm not sure that an open source model would work. Unless you'd be willing to have anyone that wants to help just show up and start putting parts on the rocket.
Open source works with software because it software can be branched and versioned.
Open source is just that the source material is open to use and modify, there is open source hardware, eg, raspberry pi often has hardware thats open source, you can download a 3d print schematic and modify it to suit your needs, 3d print it, and pass on your design modifications for others to use, review, and modify how they like. They arent on your team, they arent changing your work only theirs. Same as software.
Just think of all the efficiency that could be gained by people coming together and working on a common goal in space.
Then compare that to the gains of blocking Reddit at all workplaces everywhere.
I think the latter would me more impactful...
GoBenB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best ideas come from others trying to do things differently. There is always a better way to do something but no one would no unless they attempted to re-create the wheel from time to time.
We've had rockets for a long time but it wasn't until SpaceX came along until someone realized that reusing rockets would be a good idea.
This is a joke, but it's also the best way to get the most powerful nations to get the fuck up and go.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting working with Russia on something positive? I have a feeling much of the country wouldn't approve of that, regardless of the project
CykoTom ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes...Forget the past. (laughs in Russian.)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Competition is good.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I really don't see any harm in a space race
GoBenB ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the harm in a space race? Competitiveness drives innovation.
The privatization of space travel is a great example. There are great things happening in the private sector as a result of the competition between SpaceX, Blue Origin, Virgin, etc.
Motivation is the single most important trait of humans though. Without motivation we stagnate. Even now we are stagnating in technology (see intel over the past decade). Competition is the human motivator. It creates a situation of, I want to win.
"I want" is the drive behind anything we do to be better. I want better food, I want a better house, I want a better car... I would still work every day because I need stuff, but I work hard because I want.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also encourages the manufacturers to keep costs down, as quickly as possible, since it's a competition. It could end up being a lot more expensive if we didn't compete.
By "space race", do you mean aliens or do you think we should engineer a mutant humanoid "space race"? It would have advantages. We could design a space dwelling creature to do our space work.
It's important to remember the context. The race was about who had military superiority. Or at least that's why it went so fast and got so much budget. We were afraid of being nuked from space with no way to stop it.
I just hope that the number of technologies and people that were formed in support of it is a compelling enough reason to do it again. It really had a positive impact on the US economy in the long term.
Maybe, but then it will be followed again by a long break in spacetravel.. why? Because the nature of a race is this: First one there, wins. And then it's over. No one cares about second place. As soon as the American got to the Moon, the race stopped. Because there was a winner. No one wants to prove how fast they can come in second.
So, to unite, might be slower but in the long run is healthier for space travel because these achievements wouldn't be a defeat to anyone, it would only be motivation to keep going.
That's what I think anyway, but I'm just a chicken taco.
America wasn't the first in space, we lost the race so we changed the rules, we made it a race to make a manned space ship, then it was about the moon. We could do the same thing again . First to Mars, first to build a colony, first to build a launch pad so the colony can return shipments and launch from Mars , first to build a refueling station in space so shipping costs go down etc.
Let's meet in the middle. Space race but then whoever wins takes some others up with them.
Camoral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster isn't always better. While a race might accelerate the pace, the first space race resulted in quite a few casualties due to rushed timelines and lax safety standards. In my opinion, competition was a factor, but not as much as the funding it brought in. The legislators were the biggest nationalists, not the scientists.
Multiple countries working against each other. Multiple views, plus competition will drive innovation.
elev57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The space race was just a cover for various military races, including those in ballistic missile and various satellite (communications, reconnaissance, imaging, etc.) technologies. The space part was just a veneer to push a more positive image to garner more public support for the endeavor.
When you have competing teams in something line the space race, you have a bunch of scientists all reaserching the same thing. So if you had 5 teams, and a 10 year race, you advance the fields by 10 years.
But, joining those teams into one mega team would practicality make it a 50 year advancement. Since redundant research wouldn't need to be done.
fezzuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, the iss was founded on co operation, that and if we are doing it via international competition it probably means quite a lot of nasty stuff that goes with it.
It would. A "united" front would be full of politics and maneuvering. So would a race but at least they'd be working towards the same thing.
For evidence of this just look at Space X and Blue origin. They've achieved amazing progress in the last few years.
IlikeJG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster perhaps, but much less safe and much more expensive. It will only go faster by cutting corners and taking wild risks. Otherwise pooling our knowledge will probably make it go faster than trying to do it separately.
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sort of wealth comparison is BS. Some guy in France owes Society general billions of dollars from his time trading in their offices when the economy collapses. He is on paper the poorest person on the planet. He lives way better than 75% of the world population. Wealth by a number is bogus.
We should be asking how are people living? Who doesn't have access to food and clean water?
Raw numerical comparisons are just one measure, albeit a pretty telling one. And much stronger than a single case anecdote.
Could you imagine if everyone involved in crashing the economy with sub-prime mortgages were forced to pay all that money back? What if everyone who forced us into a War for Oil were forced to hand back all of their profits?
The world would be a much different place if direct responsibility for ones own actions was the norm rather than the exception...
I never said we should scrap capitalism entirely, just that it has its obvious flaws.
So how exactly would you iron out the folds? What specifically can you or I do to make things work to the benefit of everyone involved?
Before you answer, keep in mind that our only real power is the vote, and you see how that turned out when so many people just voted for pleasant lies and just screwed their own best interests...
So how exactly would you iron out the folds? What specifically can you or I do to make things work to the benefit of everyone involved?
The left and the right would have to come together and use their combined power to remove the cancer and elect good people. There are enough voters in this country to accomplish anything. Our left-right polarization is diminishing our power, and the people in charge use that to get their way.
Apart from that... I dunno, start finding out where these corrupt bankers and politicians live and take them out?Kidding,ofcourse
If there's no financial reason to do so, it won't work.
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government often will use competitive bidding to reduce costs and push innovation in areas that don't have financial backing outside of government.
This is always what is preached in America. Competition does not automatically mean faster or better. Countless studies have shown that cooperation and competition are equally strong and it is actually a lot of other factors surrounding the project that make a bigger difference. Unfortunately, with the current political climate, I'm not sure how we could get a bunch of independent nations to fully cooperate. Donnie T or Putin would turn it into a D measuring contest and ruin it.
jb1610 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:07:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what people don't understand. It's the same idea as capitalism but for some reason people can't understand that either.
Actually, in halo, that's the military, not the entire civilization of humanity itself. Most notably the United Nations' Navy.
Fun facts:
Did you know, that the UNSC still uses navel ships on the Ocean despite being almost entirely dependent on space borne ships and aircraft?
Or how about that Dr. Halsey, a mother figure upon the SII program subjects and that she can tell who is who even behind their armor due to their sudtle mannerisms despite them being much more machine than man.
There were once twelve rings but many were destroyed by an AI that was essentially brainwashed by the flood. To aim a MAC cannon. You need an AI. A human can fire, but aiming is virtually a fool's errand without an AI. This means the flood can technically infect a MAC cannon and anything else that uses an AI.
Another fact of mine was that there were literal super space highways built by the Foreunner's foreunner, the Precursors (but were destroyed due to how the Rings property of destroying Precorsor installations). Which are essentially Proto-Flood. The Flood were found as dust or grain in a container. The humans and the race that we recognize as the Prophet (Yep, they were at one time close allies!) worked together to test this mystery substance on creatures that could considered to be pets or food at the time but noticed nothing too abnormal and subsequently released them. This would be the first outbreak of the Flood.
The Precursors are so utterly advanced, that they cannot be described by anything but essentially gods by definition. They are a race that can probably even time travel. Since that a human AI managed to do so simply on accident and managed to come to our time and infect www.ilovebees.com.
You're right, but so am I because UNSC is United Nations Space Command. I took his comment as all countries working together in space, thus all Space programs would be directed by the UN.
UNSC is all space operations of Humanity, it's just that most of those are military operations because of the covenant. UNSC is also in charge of things like colonizing planets
I'm aware it's all space operations of humanity, but I'm saying that because it's virtually militarized and the Navy is the most obvious ( and IMO most well known). Thanks for the elaboration though. I wouldn't want to mistakenly misinform or leave something out. o7
Yeah. I actually like Halo 4, could've had been better tho.
I will weep if they screw up anything about a Precursor.
Ender16 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:09:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coming together sounds all nice and touchy feely but lets be honest. Competition drives innovation. It always has and probably always will. Not saying that it wouldnt work but i think lack of a competitive nature would make things slow and underfunded.
We really should have an "Earth" flag to put on Mars, because whichever country contributes the most to getting there it's still really an achievement of humanity
The United Earth Federation (UEF).
Would be pretty dope to put aside our bullshit and start working together to explore space and reap the rewards of exploration.
I keep telling people America isn't going to make it there on our own. The Big 3 (US, Russia, China) are going to have to work together before anything besides a suicide mission is 'manned' for Mars.
My biggest dream for Mars is that it will become like its own country. No Earth-flags on Mars, no american/russian/chinese martians, just Martians. All together as a new nation/civilization which can build and learn from Earth's mistakes and don't fuck shit up so bad.
Leave all the petty political bullshit behind, please.
Reminded me of my favorite scene in The Martian... the "Starman" montage, showing that unification between the U.S. and China. It'd be incredible in real life if it happened globally, I get goosebumps thinking about it. It's a fantastic common goal to be brought together by (space exploration).
And yet I'm the crazy one for wanting the UN (or something similar to it) to become earth's federal government and countries being the equivalent of states. Or something akin to that.
Iorith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you're crazy at all. Optimistic to think it will ever actually happy, but it's a nice idea.
Not as if we have a choice. Inner turmoil in a civilization is a civilization not wishing to improve let alone do what is best. That becomes more and more true as they get older.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Space Race is capitalism. Capitalism works well.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, perhaps qualifying that with united together in peace.
For instance Killzone was premised on the idea of a Mars-like colony world that unites against an Earth-like world called Vekta.
People always complain about NASA. Being underfunded. When it's budget is close to every other country's on earth combined space budget. NASA doesn't need more funding. We need to work with more countries and convince them to make an equal commitment.
Because I'm an American and I love my country. We are the crown jewel of western civilization, and the best hope for humanity advancing into the future.
c0lin91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
C-4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think innovation benefits from races. I totally understand the argument of bringing our minds and technologies together, but I think humanity would innovate more in a race. Could you imagine if China started doing incredible things nonstop with space travel, and then just started talking shit to Trump about how they're ahead? With Trump's ego, he'd started funding NASA like crazy and push to so whatever necessary to beat China. See, there are a few scenarios where we can benefit from a childish president.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. That would bog things down in an immense fashion. Everyone would be fighting instead over how to get there, but who gets what, who does what, who gets the credit, who gets the shuttle contracts.
Star Trek is a great ideal state/vision. But we're no where near ready for that.
Plus lets be honest the UISA is goign to be awesome. United interplanetary states of america....
Also I feel colonization (although I don't think Mars will) is going to be the next game changer, much as the "new world" was for Earth.
Jonathon, is that you? Probably not, but a friend of mine used frisson the other day. I'm fairly well read and educated, but actually had to look that word up. Great word.
I'm fairly sure that I'm not Jonathon, I certainly wasn't when I checked earlier. It is indeed a great word for a great emotion! It's lovely when a little thing like that wonderful poem gives you that pleasant tingle!
majchek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love all of your poems, you're like a breath of fresh air in the hot stale air that is the comment section. This poem though, i think its my favorite one i've read! The excitement about going to outer space, about 'conquering' it, i felt it! in your song! thank you!
No joke, this is inspiring. Saving this with your permission to print out for my two daughters. They are both young (6 and 4) but love all things space and science. This is an uplifting poem and would be something they could remember easily.
Sly_Meme ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone ever tell you you're not funny?
FR3D99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:23:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one. This is is really, really fucking good. Amazing how I usually can never appreciate poetry but still be amazed at the word play you can come up with.
Kenzo_2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a problem that would be solved if we had a Mars base. We could go give it a shove.
shoez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:09 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a hole in the bucket, and it's on Mars.
Arrow156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:17 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best bet would be to send a minimal amount of mining/refining equipment to the moon; build and ship your equipment from there.
shoez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:19 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mining, smelting, forging steel on the moon? That sounds pretty hard too.
Arrow156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:36 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes, but a feat far easier to do than on Mars. The moon is a natural jumping off point for human space exploration. It's consistently close, has low gravity so payloads require far less fuel to get into orbit, and nearly any encounter we would need to overcome on Mars would also be true of the moon. The big difference is that it only take a week to get to the moon for repairs/rescue unlike the months or years Mars would take.
If we are gonna put a man on Mars then we're gonna need a moon base.
Realism sounds like defeatism when you have unrealistic expectations.
panfist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:41:11 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's just explaining the challenges and putting them in the perspective of whether or not a colony is feasible in our life times.
Gravitom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:51 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would think you would need a fully independent space station for a few decades, then a lunar base for a few decades and then start thinking about coming colonizing Mars.
kaworo0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we should prove we can built long lasting underwater colonies before we try to attempt space stuff. Build Rapture, test people's reaction, then go ahead and try to do that stuff in space.
What blows my mind is how few and far between the attempts to colonize the oceans are.
I understand there are significant difficulties in that too, but the effort/reward ratio is so much better. There's a lot of space under there, and lots of water too.
We don't even need to start at the bottom of the sea. Just start at the beach and work your way down.
DeemDNB ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 00:59:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but on the flip side like imagine boning on Mars bro like banging a Martian like that would be lit as fuck lmao
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:22:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DeemDNB ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 00:17:01 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gravity pulls blood down, your body is designed for this. In zero-G, your blood pressure equalizes: in your upper body it goes up and in your lower body goes down.
Yes, to think otherwise is nothing short of living in a movie plot. There's no way anything close to colonisation will happen in our lifetime, or that of the next generation.
... Unless we achieve big advances in fields like robotics, which is actually possible.
shoez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:10 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What problem do the robots solve? If they are replacing human pilots and astronauts, they are only replacing a tiny amount of the spaceship weight that makes everything so hard.
Building and maintaining bigger living space. Producing more replacement parts on the spot (current 3D-printing is the first step).
Additionally, advances in medicine can mitigate the problems with radiation.
I agree that with current technologies Mars colony is infeasible. But with technologies from 2050s it may be feasible, depending on which technological fields will have breakthroughs until then.
Great reply, and you didn't even really mention the infrastructure problem. Here on earth almost every industry is connected with dozens or hundreds of other industries. Everything would have to be shipped from earth because manufacturing would be almost non-existant.
Qix213 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:21:58 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make a good point. Every little thing like the 2 cent rubber seals on the hydraulics. Hell, do those even work in that sort of environment.
It really would require us to have a space bound manufacturing industry before colonization.
Well if our 3d printing technology has some leaps and bounds then it would be feasible to make a lot of stuff over there. Huge bonus points if you can somehow use things over there in the production of the 3d 'ink' (powder)
I think that as the sophistication of 3D printing increases, this will be less and less of a problem. I think it'll actually be a non-issue in 40 years.
Aside from the low gravity, radiation, and toxic dust, the general living conditions for Mars colonists are going to be brutal. All communication with Earth will be subject to a delay that will vary between 4 and 24 minutes. Water use will be tightly restricted, so no baths -- ever. You'll be making due with a damp washcloth. Living space will also be minimal: you'll be living with 3 other smelly people in a space the size of a Winnebago. Forever.
Did you ever read Titan by Stephen Baxter? On the whole it was not a very good book, but his descriptions of how a long-duration space flight would mostly be squalor and misery were spot-on. Living on a Mars colony would probably suck even more than being on an old-school sailing ship during the Age of Exploration (minus the flogging.)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:12:44 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep trying to explain this to people but everyone wants to believe that living in space will be like Star Trek.
It would involve shedding our physical bodies and uploading our minds into machines.
What?
I'm having a hard time reconciling the fact that the person who wrote that thoughtful, grounded, realistic post about present-day human colonization of Mars also wrote this sci-fi fantasy gobbledegook.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:51 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? It's like I was just bullshitting on the Internet!
Who's to say that we couldn't one day succeed in emulating a human brain? They've been working on it for a while now, the idea is to computationally model every individual neuron in a brain. IMO it's no less far-fetched than the idea of mining raw materials on Mars and manufacturing complex machinery in situ.
Haha, fair enough.
I disagree, though. As I see it, the real, known barriers to Mars colonization are primarily logistical ones. We have no way to send enough equipment, food, oxygen, etc. to Mars to support permanent human habitation. But logistical problems are solvable, and the equipment and techniques we'd need to use already exist and just need improvement.
Electronically emulating a human brain would require advances in science on the same level as creating new entirely fields of science.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:11 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it would allow "us" (would it really be "us"?) to sidestep all of the things that make space travel prohibitive. We all have our opinions, but I when I look at how our technology is progressing, I see the space-age technologies of rocketry and space life support hitting real barriers while our computational abilities seem to have none. Same goes for bioinformatics and genetic engineering.
On interstellar trips, perhaps brain-emulating AIs would act as stewards, operating the spacecraft for the 100,000 year trip and carrying the biological raw materials to build new human embryos from the cell up and gestate them in artificial wombs. Their genomes could even be tailored to suit the new planet.
TTTA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:39 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That "thoughtful, grounded, realistic post about present-day human colonization of Mars" is actually full of factual inaccuracies and based on poor assumptions; the author is well outside of their area of expertise. The top comment on the /r/depthhub link pulls it apart nicely. To summarize it: Mars isn't that cold, they clearly don't understand pressure differentials, water is abundant and will be recycled anyways, reduced gravity doesn't do nearly as much harm as microgravity (though fetal development will likely be an issue), and Martian regolith is a wonderful building material.
A permanent presence on Mars inside one generation is possible. Living conditions won't be great, the soil is toxic, and the air is practically non-existent, but it's possible with a few technological advancements (primarily in propulsion and automation).
Iorith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best case would be uploading into nanite swarm bodies that can reconfigure to adapt to the environment, but that's just sci fi speculation right now. I can dream though.
Surely, before we even contemplate living on Mars for any amount of time, we should have people who have been living on the moon for years. Which implies a more-or-less self-sufficient moonbase, which implies a lot of robots up there building stuff for us.
So I would argue that the fastest route to a (non-childish) expedition to mars would be to invest heavily in robots.
Also, we should be running a self-sustaining colony in the interior of Antarctica for a while (years), before we trying doing such a thing on Moon or Mars.
I can't argue with any of this, but we can't stay here... Sooner or later we're going to have to expand away from earth or face dying with it.
The task of keeping the leaf alive will have to become one of grafting that leaf onto a new root stock, no one said it would be easy but if we don't do it what's the point? We expand, it's what we do.
It's not about finding a spot that's magically immune to disasters, it's about adding a second location so that if one is compromised then there's a backup.
Sure, Mars is basically as likely to get hit by a huge asteroid as the Earth is, but the odds of them both taken a devastating hit are much lower.
Sure, but our chances of establishing a viable large population on Mars in the foreseeable future is very low. Because of physics, chemistry, biology. If we lose Earth, we're screwed.
Definitely, but you've got to start somewhere. It's a longer term project for sure. A lot of the tech that will be needed to make it sustainable likely can't/won't be developed before habitation if Mars actually gets underway, so the sooner we get started the sooner progress starts being made.
But we're starting the wrong way, I think. Instead of manned missions, we should be focusing on:
Building a self-sustaining colony in the interior of Antarctica, as a testbed.
Surface-to-orbit propulsion; until we bring cost down by 100x, everything else is crippled.
Send robots to moon and Mars, not manned missions. Manned missions waste most of their resources keeping the people alive and returning them to home.
Thameus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:59 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On a million year scale you may have a point, but if you want to get there we need to figure out how to ensure surviving the next ten thousand years right here on what's left of the Earth.
3_50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AJB115 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:28:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest issue is the lack of a magnetosphere. If that can be solved, then the rest is comparatively easy. You melt the polar ice caps and flood the basins to create oceans of water. The atmosphere repressurizes, Martian temperatures increase, we start terraforming, and plants can grow and spread. Then you send humans.
Basically, we're not adjusting our bodies to match the new environment. We're recreating Earth so that a colony becomes a possibility.
Maybe it happens in our lifetime if we live to see another century.
TheTT ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You melt the polar ice caps and flood the basins to create oceans of water.
The martian ice caps are CO2, which will take care of the athmosphere. Water is underground (if anywhere).
This is what terraforming is for in the long run. Right now all our eggs are in one basket. It will take a lot of work to build another one, but it starts with actually going there and checking it out.
A lot of his facts are wrong, if it makes you feel any better (just for starters, Mars average temperature is only 30 degrees colder than antarctica).
kylco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:22:24 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And for another, Mars has water all over the place. It doesn't flow liquid like here, sure, but if you put a colony where there's no water it's kind of your fault. Water is also the simplest solution to the perchlorate problem, by far.
This is really talking about the problems as if they're so insurmountable that they'll never be even considered, and will always be too expensive. It's a very squalid way of seeing human progress, this dim view of our ability to overcome challenges.
Mars average temperature is only 30 degrees colder than antarctica
And we've had such success with running a self-sustaining colony in Antarctica.
In a place where atmospheric pressure is about 1/150th that of Earth, I'm not sure it's so useful that temperature right on the surface is somewhat-moderate at times. Get 1 foot above that surface, you're closer to the temperatures of space.
And the Mars average surface temperature is no picnic: "Differing in situ values have been reported for the average temperature on Mars,[20] with a common value being โ55 ยฐC (218 K; โ67 ยฐF)." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Mars#Temperature
So yu are saying mars will only be colonized from space down and after we have established massive infrastructure in near earth orbit. We need to assemble the resources in Mars orbit and then go in with all the equipment in one go. That pushes back settlement there about what, a century?
Or it may mean we need a couple of centuries of robots operating on Mars to build stuff for us before humans can really live there. And even then, humans will mostly be living underground, and maybe not reproducing there.
Humanity is on the cusp of change. We are changing in to something not human and it is very difficult to appreciate the full scope of this. If we get lucky with AI then AI will be extensional - we think about human (not boring) matters while AI meshes with the human and contends itself with not boring stuff. This combination is guarantee to be exponential in all its endeavors. A single human will be intimately surrounded by a nimbus of technological solution-makers. Humans 100 years from now will be completely unlike as we are today. Likewise technology, when sufficiently advanced and take off world has the potential to expand exponential, given practically limitless energy and access to floating mountains of resources. There is no weather and erosion in space, and you can create intricate 3D industrial structures far more efficient than anything we can do on a planetary surface.
Hence I conclude that taking all things built by humans (roads, bridges, spoons, houses, internet, detroit) will pale in significance next to what can be constructed off-world. I can see this advance according to an exponential track - right now we have a few thousand tons of materials off world. Once we cross a certain treshold that quantity will go exponential. I firmly believe that once, if we do this, the total mass in space will enter doubling rates, vaguely akin to Moore's law, and less than a century what's actively constructed in space will far exceed what is on Earth. By orders of magnitude.
I do not believe at all in doing stuff in gravity wells. The only reason to go to Mars surface and live there is for sentimental reasons. Turn the place in to a garden, that sort of thing. You can't meaningfully industrialize the planet. So you can "hobby" around in the martial regolith and create domed gardens for a century. I only see eccentrics and religious nuts bother with that. I believe Mars will never be interesting until we get around to dismantling it for Dyson sphere material.
ZeitVox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:06 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, something more akin to Ian M. Banks in rough outline.
Jdonavan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:41:25 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are two types of people. Those that see hard problems as obstacles and reasons to quit and those that see them as challenges that need to be solved.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:46 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot those who keep bashing their heads against obstacles that just aren't going anywhere. There are lots of them too.
To successfully colonize Mars requires technology we don't have yet. Maybe in future we could send an AI with some robots to build the Mars base. The humans could arrive to a readily built underground 5 star hotel. Throw in some artificial spin gravity, virtual reality, futuristic medicine, robot slaves, etc. and life on an alien sterile planet could be quite comfortable.
farox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:57 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Damon mentioned none of that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:22 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also showed us that you can hold back 14.7 psi of habitat pressure with sheets of plastic.
Sorry to latch on to this tiny part of your excellent comment, but what is the mechanism by which zero G causes permanent blindness?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:20 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shape of the eyeball is changed by the lack of gravity, and alarmingly the eye doesn't return to its original shape when the astronaut returns to Earth.
3_50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:51 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Granted all the atmospheric challenges, we'd send robots to mine and build 3D printers to factory produce construction materials, build drones to fuxk wth the atmosphere and build a climate, basically we wouldn't send people until we had something better than an Antarctic research base style habitable environment.
I appreciate the time it took you to write all of this. I will say that your focus on the technical side of things (which is very accurate) actually leaves yourself open to being wrong as soon as any technology comes along that might be able to solve those issues, though.
The real issue of a surviving Mars Colony isn't technical I don't think. Most of the problems you listed could probably be dealt with if massive amounts of financial resources were poured into solving them. Even with today's technology a lot could be done. That's the problem though - there is no incentive for anybody to pour that level of capital into a project like this with no foreseeable returns anytime soon if ever at all, beyond feeling good about yourself.
It's incredibly hard to get the population excited and interested and willing to sacrifice quality of life here, now, at home for an idea as abstract as space colonization.
I am a huge fan of space, sci-fi, and all their interactions. I think we should be doing everything we can to expand our knowledge in terms of space and that means doing a lot more out there. But I harbour no delusions that a working colony on Mars in my lifetime is not achievable without rapid, fundamental changes in the political and economic systems of the world. It's possible, and in fact those fundamental changes are probably going to have to be made out of necessity sometime this century. Either that or something a lot less ideal will happen and if that's the case (global war, massive shortages, and their direct and indirect problems) space will surely not be high on anybody's priority list.
I'm hoping for the former, but mostly expecting the latter given our history
If we do build a mars colony, it will mostly not be done by people. The rovers have proven we can send machines there which can operate for several years. It might be possible to bootstrap robots eventually which would make it just about technically possible.
We do need to do a lot of research on it right here on earth and in close space before we begin to try this though. Your points on humans just being badly designed for anywhere except earth will remain true for the forseeable future I think. The technical problems can be fixed, but the human body (and mind) is not changable to any significant degree.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're ever able to make robots that are that autonomous and capable, why would people ever need to go? Their life support and comfort needs would only be a burden.
I have to say that I'm amazed that I'm still getting replies to this a month after I wrote it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:57 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like for every major scientific discovery, someone has made these "I'm deeply skeptical" posts. There are always challenges for great than achievement
The idea that not one small group of us could be trained or changed to survive at least the emotional, if not the physical... I mean just fucking take the cowards way out this morning if you think that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:04 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a Columbus analogy that matches the space situation better:
Suppose Columbus and his band of merry men sailed the ocean blue in 1492 and found the New World.
And found it was like Antarctica is today: 98% covered with ice a mile thick, with average summer temperature of maybe 20F and average winter temperature of maybe -20F.
Do you think Cristoforo would have said:
"Okay, guys, let's not get discouraged. Off-hand, I don't see any of the cities of gold or Fountains of Youth we expected, but I'm still sure they must be here somewhere. We just need to hold onto the dream, step up to the challenge, extend the limits of the possible, plan for success, keep thinking positively. After all, we're an adventurous, exploring species; we need to push the frontiers. The New World is our destiny ! Let's go back and tell the Queen she should give me a medal and lots of money, and send lots more ships over here."
No, more likely he'd have said:
"Well, crap. Look at this place. It's a wasteland ! What do we do now ? Sure, we could establish a tiny colony, and the guys in it could search for gold or something, but I'm not optimistic. We'd have to supply them with every bit of their food, liquor, firewood, clothing, tools from Europe. And if anything serious went wrong, if they got scurvy, or the food spoiled, or bears attacked, or a blizzard buried the firewood, or one of the re-supply ships sank, they'd all die. They'd starve, or freeze, or starve and then freeze. The heck with this place. Back to Europe !"
And he'd be right. If you get to a new place and it turns out to be pretty worthless, you don't ramp up a huge effort to invest a lot more there.
The point is, we know a fair amount about Mars and the Moon etc. We're right to keep investigating, keep trying. But we aren't in the situation of Columbus before he sailed the first time.
Ysmir_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:48 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well ya you're right, we're not in the same situation. Ours is much more important. The most important reason to reach Mars isnt adventure and exploration (and even if it was theres nothing wrong with that), no the most important reason is that we need to get off Earth eventually or the species will die. Mars is like a refuelling platform to assist us in future colonizations attempt to go further. We need to invest there if we ever want to be alive in the (far distant) future.
Absolutely, we need to get out into space. Manned missions are the wrong way to do it. Send robots. Maybe in a century or two, we'll have built a viable destination on another world.
It's a shame a lot of kids are making careers of being the "First astronaut to Mars".
If this isn't sarcasm (I hope it is), "astronaut" isn't really a career, per se. Astronauts are typically highly educated and highly trained engineers or scientists. We need more people in STEM, not less, so it's really a good thing that lots of kids are "making careers of being the 'First Astronaut to Mars'" because ultimately they will end up contributing to society through careers in technical fields.
AP246 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see why a 1 year Mars mission as depicted in the Martian is out of our grasp. Colonisation is another matter, but flags and footprints seems comparatively possible.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Due to the way the orbital mechanics work, even the shortest mission would have astronauts in space for well over a year. There are two major types of Mars mission being discussed:
The first one involves sending the ship as Earth is "overtaking" Mars. The ship lands 9 months later and the astronauts have about one month to spend on the surface before they have to leave and "catch up" to the Earth before it pulls away from Mars. Because the ship will be chasing the Earth, the return trip will take over a year.
The other option is to go there and stay for two years, waiting for Earth to "lap" Mars and be in the right position for a return trip.
This was absolutely beautiful, and sobering. We will need far, far better technology, and will certainly have to shed the Level 1 Civilization hostility we have towards each other now.
I'd not considered so many of those practical matters.
But I've always felt the existential weight of disconnection from humanity and our home would eventually be more than the vast majority of willing colonists could cope with.
I'd not considered so many of those practical matters.
But I've always felt the existential weight of disconnection from humanity and our home would eventually be more than the vast majority of willing colonists could cope with.
Still, no baths ever is a fate I'm not even willing to contemplate.
Edit: typos
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:20 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time and resources are the PRIMARY CONSTRAINTS on ANY endeavour, and frequently they are always the LIMITING ONES. Your argument is about as useless as "I can build anything if I am given unlimited money!"
akaobama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:38 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point is this. Get out of the habit of putting more energy into the "why it'll take forever to happen perspective". Put more energy into the, "what we have to do to make it happen". Time is a relative spatial dimension, being poorly used by humans like you. My argument is as strong as anyone who ever made any sort of technological stride worth mentioning. Your rebuttal is as strong as anything coming out of trumps mouth. Good day, and I pray for the expansion of your mind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:59 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You, my friend, are a net entropy generating organism, as are we all and every other living thing.
True, I'd prefer to see that (and that's probably what would happen because of the time it takes) but I'd be happy with whatever they do as long as they get there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of reasons, just... think about it. One day there will be people on Mars, perhaps a rather sizeable population. Those people will probably end up deciding that they want to do their society differently than Earth, which is almost entirely capitalist. At first the Martian colonies will be owned by Earth's countries and corporations, but the people settling there will not put up with that for very long, for they will wish to make it their own, in their own vision. Whether that be some kind of new pseudo-democratic-communism, or an energy-based economy, or anything else, it will probably (hopefully) be radically different than the status-quo on Earth.
Mars is a chance to start over, to try something new. They need the breathing room to be able to do that, if they so wish. You cannot do that on Earth anymore, except maybe Antarctica, but even then you'd have the voices and militaries of every country breathing down your back to do things their way.
The reason America's founding fathers were allowed so much time to debate and write the constitutions that they did was because back then it took time to travel from the powerful nations of Europe to the Americas. This took place over several hundred years, but one of the biggest reasons (not the only reason) America was able to vie for independence was it's distance.
Right now it takes about 9 months to get to Mars if you leave at the optimal orbital trajectory. If that's lowered to 1 month, which it could be with better rockets etc., then most of what I previously said goes out the window. People will be able to return back to Earth, thus never giving them the incentive to turn Mars into their new home. Additionally, Earth's nations and corporations will be able to more readily send disciplinary troops, missiles, etc., while the new developing planet stays mostly defenseless.
The reason that capitalist and communist states cannot coexist on Earth is because they threaten eachother. Capitalist nations expect growth and they want to be able to sell their shit to communist ones and/or exploit their resources and labor pool. Communist nations want to protect themselves from that, and as such they seek to create more communist countries. I may not have done a very good job at explaining that, lol, but this is very apparent in Cold War history.
This is why a new form of society that's different from the influences of capitalism actually has a shot on Mars.
to the downvotes: I said nothing about the lack of democracy on Mars.
lars330 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:55:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately a "pointless" mission is more or less required to get more support and funding for such a thing.
A lot of people really wouldn't care if it's a 1 way trip. I'd go.
AP246 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuel can theoretically be produced on Mars. Yes, the astronauts would have to wait a year or two for the next transfer window and for everything to be ready, but an empty ship can ne refueled and sent back to Earth.
We chose to abandon the shuttle because frankly it was a limited vehicle that cost a shit ton. 2-Way trips are more than possible once you have some infrastructure there or use ISRU.
i'm not shitting on NASA, i'm simply pointing out that the technology is still quite limited, the logistics are mind-boggling, and there's a fair chance this journey won't end well. fingers crossed and all that, and i believe we'll get there in our lifetimes; i just wouldn't guarantee a return trip.
and honestly, one-way makes more sense. ask for older, single volunteers, let them go there, live and gather data as long as possible, then bite a suicide pill when the time comes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason NASA told Armstrong to go out first instead of Aldrin was because he was a much more humble guy. I'd imagine whoever gets to be the first person to step on Mars will be specifically chosen for the same reason.
Just saying whoever funds that expedition will be the modern day equivalent of historically inaccurate American grade school perception of Christopher Columbusโข ,except you know IRL. Looking like it's going to be Elon Musk atm.
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there is a metric fucktonne* of money behind it, so someone somewhere is going to have to account for all that - it might actually be cheaper just to send four hopeless dweebs off into space to die than actually try to avoid doing anything
*Which, as any fule kno, is ~2% smaller than an Imperial fuckton
ckemtp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I volunteer to be the trigger person for the Elder-Firing Mars Cannon.
It isn't that I have anything but love for our elderly, but I have a feeling that a lot of elderly people would LOVE to be shot out of a large cannon towards Mars rather than dying of something significantly less awesome
I figure ~15 years minimum under ideal conditions before one way trips start. My guess is most colonists are going on subsided tickets with fitness requirements, but all it takes is one rich old nerd with an undiagnosed condition to cut the horizon to only a few years beyond that.
we usually don't call people dying in their 40's as dying of old age...
I am 36, that means the trip leaves when I am 51... they wont colonize for another 50 years after that... lets assume the oldest person they send is 40... they live another 40... never mind that they wont actually permanently colonize mars at all... but I wont see 140 years of age...
I wouldn't be surprised if NASA did a 'boots and a flag' mission with the SLS sometime in the mid to late 2030s, but I have a feeling a SpaceX craft will do it before that. If they can get their full scale ITS idea going by then, we could see a colony in the 2040s or 50s after some missions with a downscale one likely to be announced in September.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 12:52:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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leiphos ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong. Both countries have a majority of citizens in dire poverty. Rural India has one of the lowest standards of living in the world. A country that can't provide food, water or basic sanitation is not going to beat us to Mars.
It does make for a good news story, and you're going to see Redditors downvoting us because they get all their news from Facebook and TV unfortunately.
Sometimes you're in the minority (and downvoted) for a reason, because not many people are wrong about this in the way that is shared by you and /u/Eticology .
First of all, how can you apply the terminology of 'third world country' to one that has sent people into space and have some of the highest net worth industries? Just because there are still regions where poverty is a huge issue (just like us in the U.S btw), it does not classify a country as third world.
I mean come on guys, get a clue. Go watch some video of Shanghai, Beijing, or Hong Kong and tell me it is a third world country that is incapable of putting a person on Mars.
Downvotes don't mean anything except that you pissed someone off. And just because they're mad, doesn't mean you're wrong. This is especially true when it comes to talking negative about China, a country known for censoring all criticism and stamping out any negativity about their country or government.
You didn't even acknowledge that people still shit on the street in China. You're too busy trying to spin it in some positive way by ignoring the original question.
First of all, how can you apply the terminology of 'third world country' to one that has sent people into space and have some of the highest net worth industries?
Afghanistan has been to space. So has Cuba. And Kazkahstan. It's not a good indicator of a first world country. The Soviet Union had the first man in space, and sent plenty of people there as well. But they did it in an effort to beat the US, not for their own purposes. That's what China is doing now. This whole "fake it til you make it" deal that China has been doing for the past decade was the same thing the Soviet Union was doing and it didn't end well for them. Unfortunately, that's exactly where China is headed as well.
Not even one generation ago was China a nation of 80%+ peasant farmers. How can you seriously consider the country to be anything other than third world with that kind of legacy still stamped on it's forehead?
The whole fact that space mining of asteroids could bring back enough precious metals to overwhelm the world economy seemed pretty clear to me, a good reason to be pushing for NASA to go do that.
What is incredible is that for every dollar spent on NASA, $16- $22 is returned to the US economy. Crazy that they have to fight for funding.
I totally agree. I think that NASA has done a horrible job selling themselves ever since the moon landing.
Sadly, the general public thinks NASA is already getting way too much of the budget because they think space is a fruitless venture.
Politicians know this, so the only time they bring up NASA is to talk about 'firsts' because Americans suddenly care when they think that another country might put someone on Mar's 'first'.
It is easy to lose touch with the popular opinion by hanging around sites like Reddit. Space X has helped a lot, but most people still see it as a waste of funds.
NASA should advertise for votes and donations, in my opinion.
The approach that Science has made is to push for more scientistists to run for office.
The level of beaurocratic bullshit that NASA had to deal with is far more to blame than their ability to influence or lobby for funds.
The politicians even had a rocket launch where every part was made in a different state from materials that favored different regions. When that sort of nonsense happens, you are wasting money and time; and worse, putting lives at risk.
I just glance over at the military budget at 54% of the entire disgressionary budget.
More money spent on military than the next 11 combined.
Tiny fractions of that spend could fund cancer research, science or healthcare...
At least I put my reason. What is your post contributing to the conversation?
For the record, I'm all for spending as rapidly as possible on as many unmanned missions as possible. It's the manned part which appeals to emotion and not reason that I have a problem with.
The easy thing to cite is the tremendous technological spinoffs. Science advances as a broad front; seeking solutions to difficult problems often benefits us in unforseen ways, even if the problems themselves seem to be just vanity projects. There are spinoffs for robotic missions too, but the crewed missions to Earth orbit and the Moon have produced many valuable technologies for us.
That's not my reason, though, or at least not my most important one:
We seem to be on the cusp of the so-called "great filter" where most life in the universe either is extinguished or continues on the spread through the galaxy (born too early... dank memes... and all that)
I think the cause of the fermi paradox is that a species usually gains the power to destroy itself (for example, with nuclear weapons or disastrous climate change) around the same time it gains the power to expand to other worlds. And usually decides not to do the latter, then inevitably implodes on the only planet they live on. I want to avoid that fate for us.
The easy thing to cite is the tremendous technological spinoffs. Science advances as a broad front; seeking solutions to difficult problems often benefits us in unforseen ways, even if the problems themselves seem to be just vanity projects. There are spinoffs for robotic missions too, but the crewed missions to Earth orbit and the Moon have produced many valuable technologies for us.
Advancing technology to improve life on Earth is excellent. People don't need to go to space to accomplish that. In fact, it would be cheaper not to. And it's a no-brainer that a machine could do everything that a human could do, and in fact do much more, and do it much better. So why do people go then? I've had this argument before. It inevitably always boils down to, "because it's cool".
That's not my reason, though, or at least not my most important one:
We seem to be on the cusp of the so-called "great filter" where most life in the universe either is extinguished or continues on the spread through the galaxy (born too early... dank memes... and all that)
I think the cause of the fermi paradox is that a species usually gains the power to destroy itself (for example, with nuclear weapons or disastrous climate change) around the same time it gains the power to expand to other worlds. And usually decides not to do the latter, then inevitably implodes on the only planet they live on. I want to avoid that fate for us.
I think the cause of the fermi paradox is simply the size of the universe and our current state of knowledge/technology. I also think that decisions about investments of this magnitude should not be based on wild hypotheticals.
People don't need to go to space to accomplish that. In fact, it would be cheaper not to. And it's a no-brainer that a machine could do everything that a human could do, and in fact do much more, and do it much better.
Neither of these are exactly true, although there is nuance on both sides.
For the spinoffs, keeping people alive in space and getting them somewhere is a very specific set of problems. The closest I can think of is undersea habitats and submarines.There are also benefits to medical knowledge gained from having people live in space--we've learned a lot about the human body from how it responds to microgravity. We could extrapolate even more from how it responds to low gravity, and that's just one of many examples. That's impossible to duplicate on Earth.
While we can also develop technologies in other pursuits, we won't necessarily develop the same technologies. I'm not making an either/or argument; there are seven billion humans and we can pursue many projects at once.
What I'm bummed out about here is that the funding already exists to start this. NASA just isn't allowed to develop a crewed space mission over a long enough time, because the vision (Mars! Moon! Asteroid redirect mission!) changes every time there's a new President or new Senators who need jobs in their particular states.
Anyway, as for the other point: robotic probes are of course much cheaper, and cheaper per "unit" of science done. But human explorers are more capable in many ways overall, and the best science of all comes from humans working in tandem with robots. Mars rovers drive incredibly slowly; they could drive much faster if people were in orbit around the planet controlling them, because we wouldn't have the light delay to deal with.
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the manned part which appeals to emotion and not reason that I have a problem with.
This is correct. My space prof said something to that effect - the people who favor robotic exploration arent wrong, its much cheaper than manned. But manned is what brings the money in, because it inspires people. Human are emotional creatures, and you'll do better when you accept that.
It's the manned part which appeals to emotion and not reason that I have a problem with.
This is correct. My space prof said something to that effect - the people who favor robotic exploration arent wrong, its much cheaper than manned. But manned is what brings the money in, because it inspires people. Human are emotional creatures, and you'll do better when you accept that.
I'll do better? As in I'll make more money through manipulation? Maybe you're right. I can't say I don't want Musk's money (not to pick on Musk, I'm still a fan).
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If NASA gets the funding it needs we could send a mission to Mars pretty soon. I hope that happens because getting to Mars would be an outstanding achievement.
That is definitely true as NASA is just too political anymore and show of focus on research that can be applied elsewhere not just the mars mission.
What I mean is that because of beurocracy, the main stage should be taken by private firms such as SpaceX because they can get more done, quicker, and cheaper, whereas NASAs budget is dictated on lobbyists and other governing bodies of the US.
Like I said, NASA should focus more on other issues than direct colonization of mars
Has NASA not said that they are not pursuing a mission to Mars in favour of further study of deep space. I don't get the obsession with putting people on Mars. It would be extremely expensive and dangerous, and seems completely pointless. The notion that we are going to colonise Mars is, frankly, absurd. It takes almost a year just to get there, more if you have people on board, due to the stop at the ISS. The Martian climate is completely inhospitable, and ultimately, there's no need. We have a perfectly habitable planet right here. Why would anyone want to live in an inhospitable desert of nothingness?
On the other hand, studying deep space can actually give us an insight into the origins of the universe and how we came to be. A manned mission to Mars is just a vanity project.
MrZZ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:54:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wholeheartedly agree. It certainly seems possible that this will happen in my lifetime (I'm 33).
However, while the current state and progress of technology (space and in general) is astounding, I think one of my greatest regrets to living in this time period is that we get only a glimpse of the possibility of human colonization of the solar system without the chance to see it actually happen.
samsuh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so much interest in space.
i'm working on a project for the innovation corps at the national science foundation and nasa. pls msg me if any of you guys have relevant experience to human-machine interface design, whether for spacecraft design or something else.
And I so want to be on the team that makes it happen. I'm too tall to be an astronaut, but if Elon happens to read this, let me know and guide me to become the best damn aerospace engineer who has ever lived.
areels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Forget it, we'll leap forward and just pass by Mars and hope on to next galaxy.
We'll probably only see a manned missioned, since everyone is dragging their feet. (Countries, not private sector)
zpeed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad watched the moon landing on TV (he was 16 at the time). I would really love for him to see this too.
gdp89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should be focused on building a space dock at one of our larange points. This will then make future projects much cheaper/easier because we can build/launch from outside earth's orbit. We need infrastructure before we start taking trips.
This goes perfectly with the fusion comment, With fusion this could easily be a reality
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for reminding me why I became an engineer and joined the space industry. It's tough sledding sometimes and you go stretches without really seeing any reward for your work (it can be a couple years after you finish a project before it's launched on a program), but this is the dream goal.
I'm going a little more wishful thinking I'm hoping for the start of the first sustainable colony on Mars. Maybe by the time I'm on my death bed I'll see news of plans for the first Mars cycler.
Yeah, that would ultimately be what I'd like to see.
Hurkk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have us set up a Moon base first. Makes more sense as the major challenge is getting supplies out of Earth's atmosphere. Plus, if we manage to get fusion power working, Helium 3 mining on the Moon would serve as an added benefit/incentive.
I used to be really keen on crewed exploration - I watched the first Moon landing live - and I'd still love to see humans land on Mars, but I now see that robotic exploration is much faster and cheaper. I'd be fine sending more robots - to Mars, to Europa and another one to Titan.
I'm 29 and I'm pretty sure it will happen. Elon will be the money and brains behind it, of course. I think Space X will get there before anyone else. I'm not sure they'll have help from the government because that would bring a lot of international politics into it that a private company doesn't need to deal with.
Agreed! And as an engineering student I'd love to be a part of it.
Also it would be epic if it was approached intelligently and in a way that would set the foundations for us becoming a space faring civilization.
I'm not sure that would even make my top 100. Yeah sure, it's cool there were people on Mars, but that's of no short or medium term consequence for me whatsoever. There's a thousand more important things to wish for.
I'll raise you one better: First manned exploration of another star system (I'm thinking Alpha Centauri). I'd prefer to be on said expedition, given that it would be a multi-decade or multi-century endeavor, but dammit would it be cool!
Man on mars walking around and Chris Hansen comes around the corner...
Hansen: Hi! Why dont you have a seat on the rock there.
Astronaut: Okay
Hansen: What are you doing here?
Astronaut: I heard there was alien life here and want to make sure it was okay.
Hansen: You traveled over 33 million miles to see if an "alien" was "okay"?
Astronaut: Yep. I care and was worried about them.
Hansen: What is in your bag there?
Astronaut: What!? Nothing really. Just stuff I carry with me.
Hansen: Looks like you have wine coolers, condoms, lube, and a potato masher. What is that for?
Astronaut: I...I... just have it. I brought what they asked for because I want the alien to be safe.
Hansen: On our chat transcript Mars sends static and you, with username BiGCoCKastroLube, replies back: "I got you baby and I'll take you places you've never been."
Astronaut: Uhh.. I was just talking and being nice.
Hansen: Mars sends more static and you say, "We can have lots of fun and I want to be your first."
Hansen: What is that about?
Astronaut: I just came to Mars to make sure it was okay. Can I leave now?
Hansen: Sure you can go but before you do you need to know that I am Chris Hansen and NBC won't pay me do my regular To Catch A Predator show anymore so I am here for Youtube views.
Astronaut: I promise to never visit other plants again...
Hansen: Please leave through the space there.
Tune in next week when we get a Rabbi military vet Astronaut traveling millions of miles to visit an alien only 13 hundred years old.
I believe that space exploration is incredibly important. It is the key to the future of the human race. If things do go wrong on earth, and we can't fix the damage, or we get overwhelmed with the overpopulation problem, we NEED to know how to live and expand into space.
Space exploration does not need to involve putting people on planets. A manned mission to Mars would just be a waste of resources. Exploring deep space can actually answer fundamental questions of science. Putting a man on Mars tells us absolutely nothing.
Also, do you realise how inhospitable Mars is? Earth would basically have to become a nuclear wasteland for Mars to be a good alternative.
I'm not saying to make Mars a permanent alternative. I think a manned mission is very important so we can learn how to live in such an environment. Imagine Mars as a test ground that would help humans further understand the implications of living on other planets. It would also help us understand how to make a nearly inhospitable place an area that humans could find a way to adapt to.
I think a manned mission is very important so we can learn how to live in such an environment.
A robot could do this, and stay longer too.
It would also help us understand how to make a nearly inhospitable place an area that humans could find a way to adapt to.
Again, robots. There is literally not a single thing that would be more effective by people than by robots. The mission is already like three years long. How much longer do you expect the astronauts to spend on Mars to conduct this research?
I disagree. We don't know all of the challenges and implications that living on another planet could have on the human body. Putting a man on Mars would allow us to test and learn these effects, as well as ways to combat these effects on living organisms
We don't know all of the challenges and implications that living on another planet could have on the human body.
Which is why we put robots there. They can take precise readings about all sorts of things and we can work out how to make it hospitable. Putting someone on Mars and seeing if they die is not science. Also, a manned mission to Mars would take like 3 years if they only spent minutes on Mars. How long are you suggesting the mission be extended by so that these people can take the measurements which a robot definitely can't? A robot can stay on Mars until it breaks. Much more useful to science than an astronaut who travels for three years only to spend like a 6 months there.
Putting a man on Mars would allow us to test and learn these effects, as well as ways to combat these effects on living organisms
This can all be done in a lab, or using robots on Mars. How exactly are humans meant to test this on Mars?
That's why we take the data, and replicate it on earth. What's the alternative? Send astronauts to Mars and see if they die? That doesn't seem to tell us much about the long term effects either. You realise that the mission won't be long enough for any long term effects to even become apparent.
There's plenty of sources arguing in favor of both sides, you can find them on your own. Ask yourself this: what is the optimal global population?
Ptch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't provide sources to back up your claim, then your claim isn't worth considering. It isn't the job of the person you're trying to convince to find evidence themselves. The fact that you can't find sources highly suggests you're wrong and/or don't know what you're talking about.
Scientific predictions. Experts believe the population will be upwards of 11.5 billion by 2100, and has increasing numbers from that point onward. 2100 is only 83 years away, and that approaching more than a 40% population increase
We are at our greatest when we strive to push further, to reach beyond where we've been before. Buckling down in survival mode can't be a normal state of affairs, that's how you end up working a minimum wage job in your 40s and wondering " when was my life supposed to start? Did I miss a signal?"
Pxorp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's even the point when we can send robots? Some giant dick-length contest like the race to the space and the moon.
The biggest achivement clearly would be a working fusion reactor. Cheap and clean energy would solve many issues immediately.
It's not a pointless endeavour. The world is dying, it's also becoming over-populated, and so at this point we need to expand ourselves out beyond Earth, as well as fix the problems at home.
I took some astrophysics in college and one of my professors focused on exoplanets and the like. Now, I used to really want to go to Mars but he was always against the idea.
I just thought it was his personal preference but I attended a conference with a lot of astrophysicists and astronomers, and the majority were all against a manned mission to Mars. There reason being was that it was pointless at this time.
According to them, right now we have absolutely no reason to send men to Mars because we would not gain any more information that a robot can't provide. Their reasoning was that while men "problem solve" better than a robot, the robot can do everything else and it will be much safer.
Right now, with our current technology and the technology we could possibly develop in 20 years, they believe a mission to Mars would be a death sentence. The radiation would be too extreme and would cause cancer and other problems.
Now, personally I still think it will be really cool to see a Man go to Mars, but every astronomer and astrophysicist I talked too absolutely hated the idea. Since they are more informed on this situation than I am, I will defer to them. I am almost disappointed I took that class because he killed a lot of my space dreams.
Because all of our eggs are literally in one basket. I'm assuming the "dying" you are referring to is wars and poverty and politics and such?
If so, that's the least of our worries. If the world loses 99% of it's population, the human race will survive. It will take time to rebuild, but it will survive.
One day our planet might be consumed by the sun, a solar flare hits us, a meteor creates a 7th ice age, Yellowstone erupts, etc, etc. There have already been several mass extinction events on this planet, there will definitely be more.
We're not going to Mars to avoid helping people on earth. We're going to Mars for the day where there is no longer an earth for people to live on.
We're already in the midst of a mass extinction, and the end of an ice age. Best case scenario, a ton of species we rely on die off, and we have to learn to adapt to that. No matter what we do to reduce our carbon imprint, we can't stop that from happening.
Part of what makes humans human is that we don't adapt to fit our environment, we adapt our environment to fit us. The reason humans outcompeted with other hominids is that we could spread to climates they couldn't live in, and we thrived in those environments.
Space is the obvious next step. We, as humans, spread to the Arctic Circle, we spread to deserts and jungles full of predators, and we learned how to make that environment suit us by building shelters, and using climate control, from fire in a hut all the way to HVAC. The next step is doing the same thing, but on a larger scale.
Preparing to inhabit hostile environments outside the Earth will prepare us for inhabiting a hostile environment on Earth, too. I'm sure we'll still adapt for that on Earth, but who knows how long it will take. And, like you said, our eggs are all in one basket. If we have a colony going on Mars where they're manufacturing their own atmosphere and growing crops, it's not great loss (as a species) if 99% of the Earth's population gets wiped out. But if 99% of the specie's population gets wiped out through some natural or man made disaster, it could set us back thousands of years, and at that point... It could very well be too late for humanity.
Stop gap. If the Earth were to decay it would end up being exactly like Mars. If the Earth were to meet an unfortunate doom from the sun being a dick it wouldn't be long before the same thing happened to Mars.
It's my personal belief that Mars used to thrive. Probably had water, plants, and possibly some sort of animal life. But then something happened that caused irrevocable damage to the planet and atmosphere leading to the withering of the planet. Perhaps Mars' death saved the Earth. Mars got fucked up and Earth only lost the dinosaurs. Space travel to Mars is like taking a time machine to the Earth's last days.
I also believe the only possible use of Mars is practice. Practice of moving people and supplies through space in bulk. Make it a way station for further travel. Problem there is that we have no idea where to go or how to get further yet. Beyond that, sending people to Mars to see if they can survive a Mad Max environment just seems like a waste of time and resources.
Thank you. People like the idea of a mission to Mars because it's exciting, but it's really just a vanity project. There is nothing we gain from putting men on Mars. There is simply no way we will ever colonise Mars.
The easy thing to cite is the tremendous technological spinoffs. Science advances as a broad front; seeking solutions to difficult problems often benefits us in unforseen ways, even if the problems themselves seem to be just vanity projects.
The eventual goal, of course, is to terraform the planet so it's no longer so inhospitable. We can't do that right away, but it is possible. After all we're causing global warming on Earth by accident--causing global warming on purpose would be easier for us in some ways.
We seem to be on the cusp of the so-called "great filter" where most life in the universe either is extinguished or continues on the spread through the galaxy (born too early... dank memes... and all that)
I think the cause of the fermi paradox is that a species usually gains the power to destroy itself (for example, with nuclear weapons or disastrous climate change) around the same time it gains the power to expand to other worlds. And usually decides not to do the latter, then inevitably implodes on the only planet they live on.
There are many, many more pointless things than space exploration. Americans spend like 2.5x more on booze than NASA every year, for example. We can spend money on more than one cause.
Nokomdet ยท 1177 points ยท Posted at 12:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A steady reduction in CO2 emission.
It will happen, it has to.
and ending the death of bees
[deleted] ยท 396 points ยท Posted at 13:49:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bees have been recovering pretty well this year! But it's still a problem. ** EDIT: Bees are probably still doing terribly. Can't find the source and reddit said this was a lie a couple days ago. See comments below
Reduction in greenhouse gas emissions is one of the only mandatory achievements humanity needs to accomplish in my life time. The rest are cool, but don't matter too much if we continue to ruin the planet.
Isnt it that bees arent actually recovering but that the beekeepers just need to replenish their stocks more and faster every year so people just think they are recovering?
There was a post a few days ago talking about exactly this, that people think bees are totally fine now but they arent actually.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:19:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read something elsewhere that the hive death syndrome (or whatever it is called) has decreased significantly. It hasn't stopped (which is bad), but it's better than it was. Which means we should double down on preventing certain pesticides and all that jazz that we tried.
As a beekeeper....stop that bullshit. Bees are fine. The same as always...
I have no idea what people are talking about. We had a bad year, bad years have been happening for as long as beekeeping was a thing. A single good year,and they will swarm like crazy again and we won't know what to do whit all those colonies... it's really nothing new.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:53:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we could meet our electricity needs with solar, wind and other renewables if someone invented a better battery. Concerning renewable electricity, we don't have a capacity problem, we have a storage problem
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's already the goal of many material scientists and research groups, in industry and academia, and battery technology does improve every year. It's really not as farfetched as you're implying
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it isn't. People were claiming it as the weak link as far back as the '90s. Things have improved, yet the improvements are small. We're inching our way up Mt. Everest. Progress? Yes. Breakthrough? No. I can't predict the future any better than you. I can say, however, if long-term past performance is indicative of future gains, I wouldn't get your hopes up for an earth-shattering leap.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree. Fission power is probably our best bet at the moment. We should probably keep the nuclear waste as low as possible through wind, hydro, and solar power (I'm less sure about hydro because of dams).
My point was that Fusion is too far away to count on, Fission is probably the best solution for now though.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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awe778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad the politicians and the populace don't really have the balls to implement it in a larger scale.
I'm old enough to remember the sources of the continuing fear of nuclear power. By the 1960s industrial pollution had gotten so bad in the US that there was enormous grass roots support to do something about it. Environmentalists were being minted by the millions. The EPA was created, and there was broad support to clean the shit up. Of course business interests were largely opposed, but that's another story.
Nuclear waste disposal was a huge issue, at least until Three Mile Island, when a nuclear meltdown became a real possibility. (In fact that's right about when people started using the word "meltdown" in everyday speech.) Everyone knew there was nothing you could do with nuke waste that was safe, so nuclear power became another target of environmental activists. The only people in favor of nukes were somehow connected with the nuke industry. That's only a slight exaggeration.
So for that generation, it's a tough sell to make them change their mind. My suggestion for this generation, if you want to convince those people that nuclear power is safe, is to not rant about their irrational fear, but talk about emerging technology that actually addresses the issue of what to do with the tons of radioactive waste we have stashed away all over the country. These folks will be around for another twenty or thirty years so it makes sense to understand that, to them, the fear of nuclear energy is far from irrational.
The arnt actually recovering, we've just stopped it from getting worse and got really good at making more bees.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mistake.
So they aren't dying as much as they used to, and there are more bees because we are better at breeding them?
I suppose that's positive still.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:23:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was discussing this with my co-worker the other day, saying how I saw an article on front page of Reddit that the bees were doing better recently. He asked me if I read the comments. He says that people found out the article was written/ backed by major pesticides, and largely untrue. That they were doing things like taking thriving hives, splitting them into two, and claiming the number of hives went up.
The ENTIRE US could switch to clean energy now but because there's so much money in fossil fuel they aren't going to, And by the time the money's out of it it'll probably be too late. Hopefully a half decent person get's elected next time around or some other major country decided to start switching.
I mean, that is shifting the blame a bit. But its not wrong, but its also not totally right either. Swapping completely to clean energy is just straight up REALLY fucking expensive. For everyone. Say we outlaw fossil fuels full scale tomorrow.
Now your average joe needs to go out and get a new car, their power bill is most likely more expensive, they have some more annoying inconviniences. And most people are just lazy, they just want things to stay easy, cheap, and normal. And thats what fossil fuels offer.
That is true, I didn't nessecarily mean they could easily and cost-effectively switch to clean energy in a few days, I just meant they aren't doing much to help.
The only way I truly see Americans switching to clean energy is if the Barons and CEO's see profitabilty in it. Otherwise, the GOP leaders will flat out refuse to push legislation for it.
I don't even disagree with the overlords, if I was a GOP legislator, I would make sure my backers are happy too, as scratching the back to oil companies makes your district more bountiful. It's just this dog eat dog world of American politics is preventing our country from bettering itself.
It makes me truly wonder sometimes if a Republic is truly a worthwhile system of government, or if an Autocracy would be a better fitted in this fast paced changing world.
Or at least it did, until Trump got elected. Now I just sit and play Yakity Sax and wait for the bombs to drop.
I am interested which aspect of emissions is most disastrous in your eyes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what you're curious about.
Emissions are bad at a local levels. Vehicle exhaust and other smoke cause health issues at all levels of live.
More significantly though are the long term effects of the greenhouse effect. Just a few degrees of global warming melts ice caps increasing sea levels which harms coastal communities directly. The bigger problem is that it changes ocean ecology. Already species are dying. The ocean water temperature is higher, so more water evaporates and there are larger storms.
So I guess to answer your question, the most disastrous aspect of emissions in my eyes is the destruction of the planet.
I can agree with the local stuff to some extent, though in London I do not find it to be a problem, places in China have it bad on the other hand. From what I understand the rising of the sea levels is fairly slow, can the coastal communities just move backwards slowly, like they do when there is costal erosion, which seems much more aggressive than the oceans rising and people deal fine with that. With the biology of the sea changing, how do judge which state is better? Perhaps warmer seas will lead to niches for new species etc. The problem I have is when people say 'destruction of the planet' usually they talk about these fairly slow processes where the value judgment of what is 'better' is not well defined. People talk about it as an apocalypse, but this is nothing compared to what the earth has dealt with before.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New York City and Miami are two easy examples of cities that can't move back slowly. There are billions, if not trillions of dollars with of assets including buildings, resorts, and infrastructure all in areas that will be underwater within 100 years (maybe sooner).
Ultimately the earth isn't that important, so long as you don't value the life on it. It doesn't matter if you think the planet has intrinsic value or if the value solely lies in its ability to support human life, either way climate change should scare you.
All of these apocalypses the earth has made it through - humans didn't have a good time during them. And this event is fast. In the last 100 years the environment has changed, and it will be difficult for people within another 100. In another million years those niches for new species will be filled, but in the mean time things might not go so well.
Do I believe life will continue on earth for another million years? Yes. Do I think climate change is man made? Yes. Do I think it will cause extinctions, and make life painful if not impossible for hundreds of millions of people? Yes.
No matter where the value of the earth comes from, the damage we do to the planet is bad.
I seem to belive the same things you do. Though I find it hard to see the sense of urgency that many people perceive. Human life will be fine, we are resourceful. Nature is in a constant battle of just about not starving or being eaten, so they are unlikely to 'enjoy' life anyway. Also they are resourceful as a system of organisms, they will find their niches. Cities that are built on the coast, well they can move in the end they were built by us, we can build more. It is not that I do not believe in the science, I am fairly well informed for a non-pro, I just don't see the urgency, from a philosophical perspective I guess.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's reasonable, because climate change is the perfect catastrophe to slip by our consciousness. It is spread across time and space in such a way that it doesn't even seem real.
It is very urgent that we change behaviors now, but it will never feel urgent. Even in a hundred years when hundreds of million of people are dying from starvation or disease, no one will really think it is climate change. Even now, when there are hurricanes and typhoons, or even the Ebola outbreak, people see it as a singular tragic event, but its all climate change. People die as a result and it will get worse.
I won't convince you, but climate change is the most urgent problem humanity faces other than nuclear war. Those two things are the only thing that can make humans extinct.
(don't worry about convincing me, I am agnostic on this issue, and neither side has really gotten it's hooks in). When people talk of climate change I think of flying over the country side in a plane. Over most of the world (that people enhabit) all you will see are fields of crops and animals. This is not 'natural' in any sense and I am sure lots of sensitive woodland creatures went extinct making it a reality. If we go for the 'the world should be as it was without humans' value system we should stop farming and cause the death of 90%+of the humans. So we already have made the judgement that wiping out huge areas of wildlife is a small price to pay for the large population. I don't see the moral difference in that decision and the one that society has made (for now) that it is OK to dig up coal, send it to China (or they make their own ect) to produce enough steel to sustain our need for large buildings and bridges. How much wildlife can we kill for building, bridges, freight tankers etc and it still be acceptable? Surely some if there is an acceptable amount to kill for food. In general I don't think we need to worry too much about people dying of hunger. Whilst people have and will do so, at the time of their death there will be countless amounts of food wasted around the world. Local dictators stopping the flow of food, or a massacre of farmers for being the wrong type of person. We are much better at starving people than nature alone is. Also, a kind of different perspective, people live in northern Canada, and happily so. Which seems to suggest that the hospitipalness of the environment is not that high on the list of things gs humans need to survive. Hell, I would die in winter in the UK if it were not for us being pretty good at over coming nature. I think we can overcome the problems of the future and in general fossil fuel is dragging people above the poverty line at an astonishing rate, which is a known-known rather than a hypothetical future full of uncertainty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think life will continue for millions of years. I'm not sure people will though.
TL;DR
Bees are on a comeback, probably thanks to regulation on pesticides. Colony collapse disorder isn't the problem it used to be. Bees reproduce so quickly that the drop in population probably won't matter. The bees are okay.
Tasgall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rest are cool, but don't matter too much if we continue to ruin the planet.
I don't know. I think castles are still going to be pretty important in the post-hospitable world.
I saw a bee irl for the first time in years recently
i was so happy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be amazing, but it's too far away to count on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion seems to be perpetually "a decade or so away". :(
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's just the proof of concept for industrial generators. Then it's another 20-30 before the first ones would go online. SO it's really perpetually 30-40 years away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ENTIRE US could switch to clean energy now but because there's so much money in fossil fuel they aren't going to, And by the time the money's out of it it'll probably be too late. Hopefully a half decent person get's elected next time around or some other major country decided to start switching.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I generally agree with you. But I want to point out that it has very little to do with the President. There are certainly policies that would help, but it comes down to city and state governments a lot more than you might think.
Texas of all places is a great example. A lot of landowners there are realizing they can make more from wind power than from oil, and are supporting state legislations to make it easier.
I think we are more likely to see geo engineering like blocking sun with SO2 or whatever. Reducing carbon is already efficiently done by plants, if we only had a way to store that carbon once captured.
Most modern nations have been reducing their Co2 emissions through natural developments in technology. That said, the only way we could reduce the total number in a meaningful way and taking cost into account (no, it's not smart to basically destroy the globalized economy for lower Co2 levels that might not really make a difference) is nuclear. The big issue here is cost, through the mix of huge regulatory system along with cheap natural gas, it just often isn't profitable to build nuclear in the USA (which is the main producer of the needed equipment) even with massive government subsidies. Exelon is shutting down the last reactor at 3 mile island, even with proposals from the state for increased and continues subsidies.
So we aren't building many new reactors consistently, which increases the cost because there's a lack of a consistent built out supply chain, and the increased regulatory costs and just anti-nuclear sentiment in Europe which is the next best place that could use it based on current infrastructure, skills and economics, makes it not seen as much there as it could be.
Renewable with current technology are near their peak in most developed and developing nations, hydro and geothermal (along with wind/solar to some degree) have geographical limitations and thus fast diminishing returns, and you reach a point with something like a solar farm, where the break even time on Co2 (it's not emission free to build and maintain a solar farm) is beyond it's expected life because there's not equal efficiency everywhere for solar and wind.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BEADS!?
flewers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but like i got stung once and it felt kinda shitty so ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Kimmiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't "have too".
Now if humans want to keep living and not see most of the earth turn into a desert or be flooded then yes that CO2 emission has to stop and be reversed. (To late to hope slowing it will do anything. That needed to happen 20 years ago.)
But it doesn't "have" to stop. It will keep happening in an exponential rate. It will get worse.
Guys! I'm a biochemistry student and I just talked to my research supervisor about creating a reagent that turns honey into a bee immortality drug. She says it's bullshit but I think she's coming around. Meanwhile I'm going to discuss the idea with a psychiatrist--apparently they have some sort of expertise in this matter? I don't know. My supervisor just said to talk to one. Keep fingers crossed that I get to be the one to develop this amazing technology.
Gliste ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans exhale CO2.
Food for mind.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And plants ingest CO2 and create oxygen*.
*:grosslysimplified
Gliste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if we keep killing off plants and having babies, the greenhouse gases will stay trapped here. We must create a hole in the ozone to let all of the gas out
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solution: don't cut down trees and use renewables/nuclear.
Also I don't think making a hole in the ozone layer will let the gas out - it will also probably kill us all.
Gliste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hot air rises. A hole will let out all of the bad CO2.
Also all of my previous posts are jokes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That joke went so far over my head it went through the ozone hole. Well played.
I... I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Well even if it is a joke, for any idiot that stumbles across this and thinks otherwise, here is some rough science:
Yes hot air rises but it's not as simple as that. CO2 isn't just "hot air", it is a molecule with a certain mass and density. So although it's probably true that "hot" CO2 is less dense than "cold" CO2, and thus rises, it is not going to rise above other molecules that are lighter than it. Our atmosphere has layers because of that (and probably other more complex reasons and processes as well).
That said, the ozone doesn't "hold it in" in any way to my understanding. The ozone is just a layer of oxygen with special chemical reactions happening that help protect us from UV radiation that is harmful to humans and other living things. A hole in it probably doesn't have any serious effects on CO2 emissions because the only thing "keeping in" CO2 is the earth's gravity itself, not any special layer or shield that holds in the earths gasses.
Any "shields" the earth has don't hold it in but rather prevent it from being stripped away from radiation from the sun. The sun's radiation in a rough sense hits particles, causing them to have an increase in energy and speed that allows them to "overpower" gravity in a sense and escape the atmosphere. It won't ever just float away on it's own. Many parts of our atmosphere and magnetosphere, not just the ozone, play the role of this shield.
Finally another thing to note is that apparently the holes in the ozone are recovering! We have worked hard to ban and find alternatives for the chemicals that caused that (which are not CO2). So even if we disregarded all the other logic, the entire idea that there are serious holes that are still forming is apparently faulty.
If you actually think about it, it is just making a copy of yourself and letting the original die, does that really sound appealing to you? I mean you still die, just a copy of you keeps existing.
I'll be honest, we're throwing science at the wall here to see what sticks. No idea what it'll do. Probably nothing. Best-case scenario, you might get some superpowers. Worst case, some tumors, which we'll cut out.
Just a heads-up: That coffee we gave you earlier had fluorescent calcium in it so we can track the neuronal activity in your brain. There's a slight chance the calcium could harden and vitrify your frontal lobe. Anyway, don't stress yourself thinking about it. I'm serious. Visualizing the scenario while under stress actually triggers the reaction.
few23 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:13:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been thinking. When life gives you lemons? Donโt make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I donโt want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see lifeโs manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give me lemons! Do you know who I am? Iโm the man whoโs going to burn your house down! With the lemons! Iโm going to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!
If you happen to have been covered in the repulsion gel, the lab boys just gave me this message: "Do NOT get covered in the Repulsion Gel." We don't quite know what element it is, but it is a lively one and it does not like the human skeleton.
Actually, I think Elon is doing that. Research and development at SolarCity, Tesla, and Hyperloop could all have applications in space travel. Innovations in rocketry and space travel can have applications on Earth and maybe even sell to consumers!
Wernher von Braun'd book "The Mars Project", published in 1952, was somewhat megalomaniacal but also strangely prophetic. The book proposed a manned mission to Mars that would result in the planetโs colonization and the establishment of an autonomous government there....
...The Martian government was directed by ten men, the leader of whom was elected by universal suffrage for five years and entitled โElon.โ
The Grandfather of rocketry saw this coming over 50 years ago
If I'm missing anything important, feel free to add to it.
Honestly surprised to see Reddit give an Infinte Warfare reference 750+ upvotes. Usually they just downvote and go "hurr durr CoD is fer kidz, look how matur i am" or some dumb circlejerk
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because it's a campaign reference, and their campaigns are never the reason why people go "COD is for kids", it's the 'casual' and childish multiplayer.
SpaceX. Their first 3 Falcon 1 launch attempts blew up. For flight 4, they were pretty much entirely out of money, and Musk personally was out of money, so if it failed too they were all fucked. They put a couple 4 leaf clovers on the mission patch for luck, and since then all their mission patches have included a clover somewhere
IIRC they asked his parents, and they supposedly didn't know about it back then.
But it is said that Him being named Elon, and seeing this is partially fueling his drive to go to mars.
2358452 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Elon is a generic term for "savior" or something like that: notice von Braun calls him "the Elon", not simply names him Elon. Sort of like naming your child Gabriel or mexicans Jesรบs.
Or maybe you're right. Pretty cool either way.
Edit: I can't seem to find "elon" in German dictionaries though.
I'd like to live long enough to see Elon Musk finish anything.
He's still trying to sort out the Model S production problems, but hey, lets bring out the Model X and Model 3 as well.
While we're dealing with the battery supply problems for our Powerwall and cars, but let's promise to build a giant battery farm in South Australia anyway. Actually, let's build a Hyperloop too while we're at it.
Having cashflow issues at Tesla? Let's just merge with another capital intensive, unprofitable company - that'll solve ALL of our problems!
Appable ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tesla has some issues, but SpaceX seems to be doing quite well.
They have missed almost every launch target they've set for years now. They're getting there slowly, but no doubt they'd be doing a better job if Elon wasn't trying to build Tesla, Solarcity, SpaceX etc.
Appable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Missed every launch target? It seems that they've adhered to schedules this year. I think the main criticism is Falcon Heavy delays, but FH was fundamentally not a good use of development time at all. Falcon 9 has become a mature launch system.
Scrubs are fairly common in the launch market, and certainly don't imply failure. For example, ULA has had some similar issues with their vehicles in the last year: GPS-IIF-11 was delayed for a GSE issue, WorldView 4 was delayed for an unspecified technical issue, and OA-7 delayed for a hydraulic issue. The important factor is that vehicle performance should be good, and it has been for SpaceX.
Just you wait and see. The older he gets, the more money he has that he doesn't know what to do with, it'll go to some really outlandish stuff. I'm talking stuff that'll make the hyperloop seem inconsequential.
Why is it creepy and cultish? Rich people being interested in immortality is probably a good thing because they can invest a crazy amount of money into it even if the chances of succeeding are slim. Our best bet to get affordable immortality is probably the rich succeeding at getting it first.
As soon as someone succeeds to be immortal he or she will need to make the solution accessible (at least the patent). Governments, police, health care professionals and military will all want to get their hands on it and will probably quickly join the "immortality for everyone" side which will make it really dangerous for anyone to oppose it.
Man that's really optimistic to think they'd give it up to everyone. Immortality is most useful if only a few have it since money wouldn't really matter anymore and one could accumulate power over centuries.
I don't think they'd want to give it up to everyone, just that they'd have to. Everyone would want it, including governments, which means that there'd likely be multiple nations prepared to use their military against a single rich person. No use to just give it to rich people and the military either, because regular people, police and the health care workers required to administer the treatment would quickly turn against the military and the rich if they don't get access to the treatment. There's probably a lot of people who'd be prepared to kill to get themselves or their families immortality, so you'd need a lot of people (like a large part of the planet's population) and a huge amount of fire power to keep the rest of the people from forcing you to give them the treatment.
Why would they make it publicly known that they've succeeded though? More likely they'd fake failure and run off with their actual findings, nobody else the wiser.
DGolden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thoroughly sub-light-speed travel times to other nearby star systems with currently plausible technologies (decades to centuries) are much less of a problem if you don't arrive there dead of old age.
That's like asking why you'd want free sushi for the rest of your life when you don't want to eat it every day. Why wouldn't you want it?
You could live as long as you wanted to instead of your luck/fate/whatever making that choice for you. Just because you can live until you're 3000 doesn't mean you have to.
JayQue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because, man, I don't even want the free life every day, never mind forever.
I have the same feeling. Elon Musk has ideas that would make you chortle if said by a young child, but he has the wherewithal to actually move forward with them.
JayQue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the word chortle. It's an onomatopoeia to me, kind of.
Like guffaw, chuckle, giggle, whisper, drip, drop, and slam, I actually think that it is a bit of an onomatopoeia, though I could be wrong.
JayQue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Obviously the sound isn't exact to the word, especially since everyone's would vary a little, but you definitely get the gist of it from that word.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine: you're a bright young demigenius, with a new degree, and the power to work anywhere you want. On the one hand: lots of money so you can buy Star Wars merch and that street-legal TRON bike. On the other: making The Martian actually happen.
Definitely the former. There is plenty of work out there that is really interesting and fulfilling yet doesn't sound as flashy. Work that is more important to many people than making it to another planet. I won't stand for being underpaid and overworked because it is "changing the world". Maybe this is something that I've learned only because I've worked for a few years after school.
Dude, people can share passions. If you don't feel passionate about something, that's your prerogative, but there are people who are willing to commit to working on them without pay. Do you have trouble understanding that people can and will do that?
Lol all is see is your willingness to stroke dick to anything and everything Elon Musk.
This guy isn't the only person working on these goals and he sure as shit isn't offering the best salaries. If you wanna have some guy shit all over you in the name of "passion", that's your prerogative, but anyone with any common sense would opt for better, if less publicized, companies or research institutions.
ansty13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anyone can make the Ironman Hulk Buster suit equipped with alternate heart power supply it's Elon Musk
Economic and technological growth is limited by the speed at which we can transport items from one place to another. Speeding this up will connect more people around the globe, similar to what the Internet did for cyberspace.
Imagine what people can do if they could get from Boston to DC in half an hour. People can visit families any time instead of taking vacations. People can travel to business meetings flights without wasting hours on a plane. People can deliver packages the day of instead of waiting days for the UPS to get things there. People can even work in DC and live in Boston. Every company has an expanded pool of available workforce and everyone gets more opportunities for jobs.
Granted it may take years before Hyperloop prices drop to the level of the average person, but every new technology must start somewhere. I'll bet there were people equally conservative about planes when they were first developed - why take a risk and fly when you already have trains?
how do you keep that stretch of length in complete vacuum while you account for heat expansion and heat shrinking. Not to mention random whackos that likes shooting stuff?
That's not for me to explain. But great feats of engineering have been continually accomplished (see construction of the Millau Viaduct, the English Channel Tunnel, Burj Khalifa e.g.) and I don't see these issues as anything that can be solved by real engineers given enough time (I am not an engineer, just an architect.)
As to your last problem about whackos - I believe the tunnel will be underground.
Ultimately it comes down to maintenance costs when determining whether it is successful or not, but that is no reason to halt progress, especially if it is privately funded by someone else.
This is what happens. And that's not even close to the vacuum the hyperloop is proposing.
What would happen to the hyperloop if that happened? Cascading, catastrophic, failure. All that cargo or all those humans inside? They just got a hell of a lot smaller.
Look, there's a reason architects don't build hyperloops. And it's the same reason they propose things as hanging skyscrapers from meteors. You're not engineers.
Exactly this. I'm all for pushing the envelope in scientific development but this proposal is nonsense. Why spend money and risk lives trying a new method of transportation when we already have viable existing methods that can be improved upon? Ones that have significantly fewer risks, I might add.
I never claimed to be an engineer - and Elon is not an architect. He is still an engineer, so to blame the pipe dream on architects is stupid when architects are not even touching the Hyperloop.
And yes, a failure would be catastrophic - but that would be a failure of the tube enclosure, not the cargo capsule. Yes, it will be deadly if the failure occurs next to a capsule, but given there will be thousands of miles of loop track, that is unlikely. There will obviously be safety precautions and the system will be tested to hell before they let people in there. You can reinforce the capsule, use emergency brakes in case of failure, etc etc such that a failure will not kill humans.
And this is not a fucking meteor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't some magical teleportation technology, it's a vacuum sealed tube transporting a cart. That tube being land locked means its never going to be as fast or as useful as planes.
You want to increase the ease of transportation? Self driving planes or drones for the average person. Self driving cars to prevent traffic jams and allow multitasking while you're driven. That's the future.
Hyperloop is throwing money at something which will provide marginal benefits over short to medium distances along with its own set of immutable problems.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there are companies working on it, there is a serious project in Dubai.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos each have enough money to build and operate a small fleet of aircraft carriers.
I don't understand how you can have that much money and not fund the research for an Iron Man suit. I know some of the stuff the suit does isn't possible in the real world, but I feel like with a decade and 80 billion dollars we could get hovering, armed, laser shooting powered armor.
And why wouldn't you!? Can you imagine how ISIS would shit their pants when every enemy soldier requires an anti-tank weapon to take down!?
The Iron Man suit needs the Arc Reactor to function. It's the most basic technology of the suit, and it is also pure sci-fi since it's basically miniaturized fusion tech.
The no-dealerships thing is fucking fantastic though; I love that about Tesla.
redzin ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has a degree in physics. He got accepted into grad school (for a PhD in physics) but dropped out to pursue entrepreneurship instead of academia. Besides, have you seen his speeches? His strength is definitely not his salesmanship, just sayin'.
People get hyped because he's the only person with both the money and the will to build shit that sounds like it belongs in scifi.
Which still isn't a pyramid scheme, that's just investors believing that the businesses will one day turn a profit. If what musk wants pans out, they're in for a huge return. If it doesn't, they made a poor investment. That's just business, it's not always guaranteed to be profitable, but nothing about Tesla's financial situation is unethical.
Chispy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:12:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty common in business.
Musk is just re-engineering the process itself.
Collective hypetricity is a great way to supercharge new inventions and push Humanity forward.
Appable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know the profitability of SpaceX. It's marginal either way and they're heavily investing in multiple projects so they won't have high profits for a long while.
You have no idea what you're talking about. People who have worked for him testify to his asinine ability to learn and retain information. He's an expert in many fields of engineering.
He just comes off as a massive megalomaniac to me tbh, also all his rambling about life possibly being a simulation hust makes him sound a little too 14-and-deep.
And the often-poor initial quality of Teslas, not to mention the downright horrific wait times for repairs and replacements when things break.
He's done a great job of normalizing electric cars, but Teslas are not on par with luxury automotive brands as far as fit and finish is concerned.
ExRays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ExRays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your response!
1 and 4: These are related and are definitely a cause for pause. I don't think those justify saying it is "not a nice place to work," but it's fucked up that they didn't compensate their employees for those breaks. They seemed to resolve the issue, and it was only one California statute in particular they fell out of line with. I'll watch them carefully on this. Thank you!
2: I don't really see a negative here. They were ramping up development of the Falcon Heavy at the time 2 years ago so it makes sense.
3: From 80k asking down to 72k doesn't seem that bad and 72k as a starting salary is not that bad. I don't know what OP's financial situation is but it is possible to live comfortably on that. He also doesn't say how much experience he actually has so it's hard to judge if he got unfairly low-balled. SpaceX was up front about what they would pay and he promptly declined which is fine. This doesn't seem like bad interaction, just a guy making a career decision in his best interests which is good.
Bherd25 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree let's all follow captaindriftless's life goals and dreams instead.
Eh, wouldnt be too terrible. It'd be worth it to see historians try and explain why some previously unheard of 20-something suddenly become a cultural pilot light for some reason.
Hmm, I'm hoping theres a smash bros on the switch soon... and I'm kinda looking forwards to when we have robots capable of high fives. Clean drinking water being readily avalible to the majority of the world would be cool too.
He also has this weird habit of having his rockets explode
9315808 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've had no failures this year whatsoever. The falcon 9 is currently sitting at 36 launches total (lifetime) with two failures, putting them at a 95% success rate.
Marha01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:50 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also has this weird habit of having his rockets explode
Good. If your rockets never explode, and especially during early years, then you are wasting money on too much safety. Fly early, fly often, learn from failures.
He literally worked on Tesla and SpaceX directly. Anyone in his workforce can attest to that. Despite losses, he has delivered working electric cars, solar-battery farms, and reusable rockets. He has accomplished many things with no intention to stop - he is not going to make off with the money.
You know they want us to taunt them to see if they find out the truth, it's all a game to the Minds.
Besides, the few that are aware of it, still think it's all just a meme for those novels by that hack Ryan N. Blanks (or something).
Heard he was back at the ship, I hope he is having a good rest.
Seriously, using historical texts to establish himself as a SciFi writer?
Anyway, I disgress, don't worry, it's not like we have a Perosteck circling our necks.
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It's getting closer, largely due to CRISPR Cas9, but one of the biggest concerns still is off-target effects leading to cancer by disrupting genes preventing cancer development.
Male contraception. Not only would it be a huge breakthrough, but imagine the impacts it would have on our society.
Would birthrates plummet? Would stds spike? How would women/big condom companies react? I think it'd not only be scientifically great but also fascinating to see the effects of a widespread, affordable, male contraceptive.
bluew200 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:32:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised at how many people don't know about this.. I'm eagerly awaiting it's release. Once Vasalgel is on the market, my IUD is coming out. Vasalgel is so harmless compared to any other female birth control method. Really hoping it's ready by next year.
I know about, and have been following it. But I'm expecting we won't see it for another 5 years beyond that, at least for any meaningful amount of coverage.
cigr ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 15:46:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction:
Pregnancy will spike due to men lying about being on the pill when they aren't.
Bro, I feel like this is the last issue men would have. We'd get all the benefits minus the one obvious negative: unplanned pregnancy. We'd be so accurate with the pill it would damn near eliminate accidental pregnancy.
go on childfree and search stories of women who have met with agression, manipulation and "oopsing" upon telling their partners (or even first dates) that they don't plan on procreating. It some kids of myth from 90's sitcoms that men are always shunning the idea of kids while the wifie nags him
I feel like your example is by far the smaller population of men. A vast majority of us are either responsible or just don't like aggression, manipulation, and "oopsing". Lol.
ok, but answer yourself what kids of men have unplanned kids and then reread this part of your comment: " We'd be so accurate with the pill it would damn near eliminate accidental pregnancy". A male pill would be nice, but the demographic that would buy it is the demographic that already knows how to not have unplanned kids. The floozies who SHOULD be buying it are not gonna because they are floozies
cigr ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of my daughter got pregnant because the guy she was with claimed he had a vasectomy.
Well did he have a vasectomy? There are plenty of instances of surprise pregnancies post surgery. Especially if it was recent and he hadn't had the 6-12 months of follow ups with his doc.
cigr ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he was just lying.
BLOOOR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is an unknown number of men around this planet, generations of them, that are not only arrogantly stupid, they believe their self-worth is defined by their ability to impregnate someone.
Not saying it's right or wrong. Just that a male contraceptive beyond condoms would shift some of the power balance in who controls conception. Just picture what it would do to family courts with more contested parentage. It would be a major shift in traditional family structure that we'd feel as a society.
why would male pill have any effect on cases of contested parentage ? We have had DNA tests for a while and they're more reliable than a man saying "But I used contraception"
Because it would be more widely used than the current form of male not condom birth control in a vasectomy. We already have situations of discrete vasectomies leading to contested parentage. A non invasive over the counter option would increase that significantly.
so you're assuming that now men who have some reason to get a paternity test just can't be bothered and instead CHOOSE to pay/raise their unplanned kid for 18 years? There is a cost/benefit problem in your reasoning. The potential cost of not getting a test is already big enough to go get a test.
I have no idea how you've gotten all that out of what I've stated. I'm not in disagreement with you on the whole cost and reasoning to have a paternity test.
What I am saying is that the dynamics of relationships will change. No longer will it be entirely on women to take a pill daily. Men will have the option to take that role as well. Just as there is situations of women not being truthful about their usage of the pill we will see the same from men.
The number vary but there's studies that show 1-2% of fathers are not the biological father of the child they think is theirs. The advent of male birth control will affect this number.
Which is part of the reason I'm excited for it. Maybe not the best of things to be excited for but no one said there had to only be "positive" effects from the OP.
Why though? I don't want to make too crude a generalization as this is reddit, but in general I'd say women lie to trap a man, either financially or emotionally. If it is the other way around, the only way I see men lying is for the emotional trap (not cause of wages but maternity leave, costs of child, and general favor of courts siding with the mother).
So in theory it should be a strict reduction. Then again we know most guys would prefer no condoms to condoms, so if they go no condoms would this be their out? So I see what you mean, but then you have to question if they are against condoms specifically or contraception in general.
Bit of my internal monologue above, but I definitely see it headed in your way at first. Though I'd imagine it trending back in favor when it is as widespread/available as female contraception is currently.
BLOOOR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:53:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I said in another reply - there are men whose self-worth is tied to their ability to impregnate women.
Women want male contraception so much. Female contraception is basically to over-ride & break their hormones and has lots of side effects. We look forward to men being the ones to endure that instead.
Lady, you need to stop being so clueless. The male contraceptive being tested now is a gel injected into the vas defrens to block sperm but it's reversible. That doesn't break men's endocrine systems.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a guy. You said you look forward to men dealing with the hormone issues in your previous post...
No, I didn't. Stop reading intent you imply in there yourself. You picked a different object for "it" than the sentence requires. Fix your own grammar.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um yes, you quite literally did. You said women currently deal with X, and that it is time for men to deal with it...
Also, You mean infer, not imply, so don't worry about my grammar, work on your own.
s_h_d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since I'm aware of all the side effects (including coma, death and smelly breath), I'm much more against the pill, even as a male.
Condoms work against all the STDs while the pill only provides protection against pregnancy. It's not really a good deal; cancer, death and permanent damage of internal organs (that is, if something really goes wrong) aren't things to joke around with.
Given, the pill works, but it's more of a sledgehammer approach.
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a personal perspective - I got a benign liver tumour from being on the pill - not life threatening, but was beginning to impact liver function at the point it was detected; definitely quality of life impacting.
gablerr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:00:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It's easier to unload a gun than to shoot at a bulletproof vest"
Yeah, there were trials for a male injection in the ass every month, and I mean aside from the needles thing off putting people, the side effects ranged from normal suicidal tendencies to sterility; It'll get there, just takes time and it's not as straight forward to make pills for compared to female birth control which regulates hormones(correct me if wrong)
dm_86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forgot how companies that make small condoms would react
I think not much would change. The irresponsible men who now have unplanned kids would continue to have them because they are irresponsible. Male contraception exists
Male contraception did not make sense to me for quite a while because I recognized that most women who are not trying to get pregnant wouldn't trust men who say they have male contraception. This was until I realized that it's really for men to prevent women from being able to get pregnant without the man's consent.
Here's a little game theory to help understand the situation:
Man says he is on birth control
Man says is not on birth control
Man actually on birth control
No pregnancy
No pregnancy
Man not actually on birth control
Possible pregnancy
Possible pregnancy
Suppose a woman does not want to get pregnant. Pregnancy is a very high cost to the woman. The man could leave her and she would be on the hook for raising a baby. If the man says he's on birth control, there is a chance (f) he could be lying, in which case she could get pregnant and be saddled with a high cost (P_baby)). If she determines the risk to be low enough she would trust him, but that has to be balanced with the cost of her being on birth control (P_female). Female birth control has pretty low costs, so if P_female < f * P_baby she should just stay on birth control. P_baby is very high, in the range of hundreds of thousands of dollars, let's use $233,610 for 18 years. Female birth control may be as much as $50/month. If a woman doesn't want children for five years, the total cost of female birth control may be $3,000. Now that's probably way higher than most people with insurance may pay, but that's an upper limit. Now solve for f > P_female/P_baby = 2%, which means that if there's a 2% chance of the guy lying, the woman should stay on birth control. I think most reasonable people would think that there is at least that much chance the man could lie, and so it's natural that a woman would stay on birth control. I'm using these numbers for illustrative purposes, don't actually quote the 2% value since I'm more trying to get an answer in the ballpark.
Now for the man's perspective.
Woman says she is on birth control
Woman says she is not on birth control
Woman actually on birth control
No pregnancy
No pregnancy
Woman not actually on birth control
Possible pregnancy
Possible pregnancy
If the woman gets pregnant, and she is poor, the man could be on the hook for almost the entire cost of raising a child due if he stays with her or if she's awarded child support. So I'll use P_baby as the same here. The math all works out the same, in that if the man thinks there's more than a few percent chance the woman is lying, the man should stay on birth control. If the price of birth control is lower, there's an even lower threshold for lying becomes close to 0%. So if male birth control is cheap, even if a man is nearly certain the woman is not lying, he should be on male birth control.
So the equilibrium is now that both the man and woman are on birth control if they don't want kids. That's great! It means a very low chance of having an unwanted child, which is good for EVERYONE. And if a means of birth control has something like a 1% failure rate per year, having two kinds of birth control should make that (1%)2 = 0.01% chance per year.
There is a method that is being tested currently, it's called RISUG. They create an incision in your vas defrens and add a polymer to stop sperm from making it out. It seems like a much better alternative to vasectomy as it is reversible.
Deshra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On that thought, why not a way to improve or completely alter the taste of semen? I'm sure more women would love to drain some "chocolate" from their husband.
A lot of the other ones are pretty tall orders to see in a lifetime, but this one I'm pretty sure is gonna happen before I'm dead. Unless I get hit by a car tomorrow.
I ironically made my Facebook picture have a sticker saying "this MOMMY is against MARIJUANA" because it's so ridiculous, I am not a mommy nor am I against marijuana
If the law is wrong then you should protest it and try and fight for it to be changed? You don't need to do anything but you shouldn't go to jail for doing something as small as smoking weed, especially when you can legally get so drunk you pass out every day from morning to evening.
Why do you think weed being illegal is wrong? They aren't banning water lol. Get real lad. If you smoke weed in a state in which it is against the law to do so you are a criminal. Point blank.
Because it doesn't hurt anyone plus it's nice and people enjoy it?? Like I said if something is illegal and you don't think it should then you have every right to try and make it legal
"I think this rule is unjust and we should have a nationwide conversation to end the ignorant justification for the law!"...../u/GiantMolePetPls "your a criminal shut up!"
So many Mars comments. With all due respect (because Mars does sound cool), I want to see us figure the Earth thing out. And a key to that is renewable energy. I hate the way politicians posit the whole argument as renewables versus fossil fuels. Why make it a battle? Let's just say we're into renewables because it's cool as shit. Plants literally turn the sunlight into sugar. It's like goddamned magic. Humanity should strive for the same thing. If I was president right now, I would be stumping for renewables; it's the modern race for the moon in my mind.
I honestly don't understand how it go so politicised. It would be as stupid as someone politicising horses v cars, vaccines vs none, lightbulbs v candles.
It's fucking pure and simple science. It fits with all non-science beliefs.
Want to be isolationist and hate other countries (ala Trump) become 100% energy independent and make your own through solar. It creates new high paying jobs. It makes your country technologically advanced.
If candles and horses were a trillion dollar industry, led by shady people willing to put money in politicians pockets, I can assure you it'd be the same.
The real crux of the situation is that petrol cars are cool and sound awesome, electric cars are seen as slow and boring pieces of shit (not so much now thanks to our lord and savior Elon Musk). Cars are so high on our list of priorities that they almost fulfill our life meaning, if you have a nice house and a cool car you pretty much figured it out and everyone sees you as a successful guy. Nobody thought that electric cars were cool until recently so the energetic revolution took a long time to take hold, but I'm pretty confident that recent developments have finally kickstarted it...
Most people don't care if a car has a cool means of propulsion, only that it gets them from A to B. More people care how a car looks, but that's actually in the favor of electric, as packaging is more flexible.
The biggest issue by far, and why I don't personally own an electric vehicle right now, is I can't get in an electric car, and drive 400 miles to see my family. Right now, I get in my car, drive ~250 miles, stop in one of the dozens of small towns along the way for 5-10 minutes for fuel and to walk around, then drive the rest of the way with the knowledge I can pull into any of thousands of gas stations if needed. Give me an electric infrastructure that does the same, and I'll drive electric every day, and the V8 will stay in the garage as a special thing for sunny weekends.
True that, but i think (and tbh it's my opinion and I'm not really an expert) that if electric cars would have been more popular in past years, we already would have figured out most of the logistical problems, you know the demand drives the market and all that... look at how fast e-vehicles are improving right now, simply because now people wanna buy them.
I can definitely agree with that. It's the old chicken and egg problem; the infrastructure won't grow naturally without demand, but demand is hindered because of the lack of infrastructure. That's why I think subsidies and directed research grants are needed to push technology to the point where the market can take over.
How can a Tesla go 400 miles without a lengthy stop in the middle to recharge?
To achieve parity in the eyes of the public, even if most don't normally need the ability, requires the freedom to get in an electric car and drive pretty much any direction, and not worry about finding a specific charging point or waiting several hours to charge. Actually replacing the internal combustion engine passenger car is less about fitting the 90% use case, and more about flexibility and freedom in the minds of the buying public.
Edit: Also, my perspective is that of a US buyer, where trains are essentially a non-starter.
Depends what you mean by "lengthy" a Tesla can recharge 270km in 30min at a super charger and those are all over the US and western Europe.
An electric car will not have to do any of the things you said. The only thing it will have to do is be cheaper than an ICE car and that is going to be the case within the next 3-4 years.
Okay, I always forget that trains are crap in the US. I quite enjoy going by train from time to time in Germany.
If I have a trillion dollar horse business and you show me the first car, I'm gonna murder you immediately and feed your car to my horses. They won't like it, but at least they still have jobs.
Because compared to the horse, it provided an imminently measurable upgrade for the buyer.
Renewable energy, on the other had, provides an upgrade that is difficult to measure and benefits the abstract "mankind", often at the expense of "the buyer".
While the car appealed to the selfish self, renewable energy needs to overcome it to succeed. It's a much mire difficult battle from the start.
Enter the lobby.
If, at the birth of the automobile, the social nets that connected the leaders of the horse-powered industries were as close as they are today with the fossil fuels powered industries and they were as rich as they are now, perhaps we'd live in a completely different world.
I don't think this is a battle we can leave to invisible hands of any kind.
Neato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewable energy, on the other had, provides an upgrade that is difficult to measure and benefits the abstract "mankind", often at the expense of "the buyer".
We should probably be pushing the idea that you can generate your own electricity to appeal to the selfish mentality. It has really only come about in the last few years where a majority of places can actually make good use of personal solar panels. And the industries have had too long to entrench their ideas of anti-renewable rhetoric in the public.
UGH! I hate people! You burn dinosaurs, you die! You turn your roof into a tree, petrol gets cheaper. THE CHOICE IS FUCKING OBVIOUS YOU SUICIDAL RETARDS!!!
I hate to break it to you, HC - but you're gonna die. Maybe not today. Maybe not next week - but eventually, even if you eat right, exercise sensibly, avoid all possible catastrophic incidents like automobile accidents, lightning strikes, volcanos, floods, earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes and bears - one day you're gonna die.
Actually, it was like that when the steam engine was first invented. People initially claimed that you'll suffocate while riding that, and when the steam engine started to run, people claimed that you'll never be able to safely stop.
You think the car vs horse argument is silly because cars have already become a common thing.
I know the pushback was real. It's just easier to show that it isn't because 'look I have a car right here and it does x and y'.
I don't mean to say that it was done overnight, but it's tangible evidence. So the populace can be convinced a little easier. Something we don't really have regarding renewables. You can't touch climate change, you don't see the immediate effects. Someone without reading up on it can easily dismiss it as 'I can't see it, it doesn't happen'.
Until the politicians on behalf of those shady people put regulations on how fast your car goes because it's dangerous and maybe regulates that it's only fit for two people to occupy. Then starts playing ads about the dangers of carbon monoxide that the car spits out.
Neato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when actually showing them the effect could lead to human societal collapse. It's one of those things where you just need to accept the findings and conclusions of thousands of subject matter experts instead of trying to figure it out on your own.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
as much as they make it seem, politics does not think in the long-term
That transition didn't happen immediately though either. It's very similar to cars vs. driverless cars right now. The technology is interesting but it's not perfect, it's a luxury, and it hasn't reached critical mass yet.
Kaywin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think that the lack of scarcity and the fact that sunlight and the wind aren't commodities to be purchased would be an immediate enough incentive from a financial perspective alone, but....
Edit: obviously I meant for companies producing energy
Automobiles traveling on country roads at night must send up a rocket every mile, then wait ten minutes for the road to clear. The driver may then proceed, with caution, blowing his horn and shooting off Roman candles, as before.
If the driver of an automobile sees a team of horses approaching, he is to stop, pulling over to one side of the road, and cover his machine with a blanket or dust cover which is painted or colored to blend into the scenery, and thus render the machine less noticeable.
In case a horse is unwilling to pass an automobile on the road, the driver of the car must take the machine apart as rapidly as possible and conceal the parts in the bushes.
Horses were almost certainlly the 19th century version of a billion dollar industry. The key is the new technology becoming so good that no sane person wants the old technology.
Where in my comment did I mention that corporations or the concept of corporations are bad?. Or was my one simple sentence (which may have been too complicated for you) , alluding to the negative effects of money on the politics of a country. And how corporations shouldn't have influence on the laws and outcomes of how a country is run. so that the biggest corporations can, not only stop smaller companies from growing, stop new industries from becoming a thing, and in this specific circumstances, fuck the planet up. Instead you replied with a stupid comment that doesn't even question whether im actually hating on corporations, or try and tenure it with facts that corporations are a good thing (which I believe they are), but nah, you just made four words that don't form a coherent sentence.
What an idiot.
Fuck I've been a redditor for almost 8 years now and I hate stupidity like this. Either contribute or don't comment. Simple.
The idea that renewable energy has become politicised at all boggles my mind. It shouldn't be some left/right thing, everyone should be concerned about it. After all, we don't have planet B so if we fuck Earth up then we're all screwed.
It's less a left/right thing, and more a money thing. If renewable energy becomes the new norm, where does the 100+ year industry of gas do? And their equipment? It's kind of like vaping. If everybody stopped smoking and started vaping, then RJReynolds and whatever the other couple are, stop making money and they virtually have a shit load of useless garbage, both machinery and product. I hate that that's how it is, but it is. Tesla could be so much more researched and advanced, but corporations working with the government against him has been an obstacle
Stupid socialist how dare you let big companies like this fail, the government should help. Also the government should be less involved in companies and not put regulations on them.
I wish this was sarcasm but it's somehow the mindset of so many right wingers.
I've literally never heard that first part from a right winger, and I live in the South. If anything, we're cool with businesses failing because it means either they failed to run their business properly, or a superior alternative came about.
Like, yeah, it sucks, but that's just business. I'm not talking about a mom & pop store being beaten by Walmart, because that's just creating a monopoly and I disagree fundamentally with a consumption-based monopoly, even if it's literally the best option for consumers, because competition is what makes for creativity and good products.
Krail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but this is a trillion dollar industry that won't go down without a fight, and they'd likely literally watch the world burn before relinquishing their grasp.
Solar is subsidized 345 times more than coal. Coal produces over 30 times more energy. For the same amount of energy produced, solar is subsidized 10,350 times more than coal.
The top article was written by someone in the oil industry. And lots of those subsidies reduce the taxes the oil industry pays. Do you think oil companies should pay the same taxes as solar despite causing extreme environmental degredation through oil spills and inducing a economy to keep buying a product that harms the planet.
Any 100+ year industry who is too stupid to diversify deserves to fail. If these big companies simply shift R&D into renewables they can maintain their monopoly on the market. We'd still need oil for plastics anyway.
But they aren't. Exxon spends a ton of cash on R&D for renewable energy. They know times are changing and they are ready to get in on the game. Renewables are just not competitive with fossil fuels without massive subsidies yet. What keeps fossil fuels in business is consumer demand for cheap energy.
I know, that's not the point I'm making. I think they deserve to go too. What I'm saying is they have the power and money to fight it using the government
If these guys were actually smart they would use those billions of dollars that they've accumulated and be the ones to fund this new eco-friendly industry. Companies should evolve and adapt over time not become stagnant because that's the easy thing to do. It still baffles me how every other company in the world has to continuously improve to stay profitable yet big oil can do the same shit they've done for 100 years with no repercussions (besides destroying the earth around them)
TheJD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree it's a money thing but the problem isn't because of the old industries dying out. It's easy for someone to demand we use renewable energy but it's entirely different for them to actually make the sacrifice and buy it themselves. People want their current utility company to switch over to renewables and not charge them any more money for it. People are expecting someone else to do the work and sacrifice to solve the problem without doing any real inconvenience to themselves.
The fact that it's a money/corporation thing makes it a left/right thing, sadly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By the same virtue, the people in the renewable industry can't compete so they get government and the people as their weapon to try and disenfranchise their competitors.
When it is truly ready, renewables will dominate and everything will be just fine. They are not there yet.
After all, we don't have planet B so if we fuck Earth up then we're all screwed.
Oh, that's okay. Jesus is coming back Any Minute Now and will Rapture all us Good Folk. The people who get left behind on the dying planet shouldn't have been such sinners.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your last comment is the problem. As soon as you make it a "save the Earth" thing, people stop paying attention.
Renewable energy is badass technology. It's an entirely new job sector waiting to exploited. It makes us energy independent. It's not controlled by a cabal of Middle Eastern tyrants. There's just no way you can fuck up marketing renewable energy without intentionally being stupid about it.
Which is what your argument is. Stupid. People don't want to think about the Earth being unable to support human life. They're too busy worrying about paying the bills, eating, having a job, etc. Renewable energy has so much potential to improve things for Americans that stubbornly sticking to the environmental strategy is nothing but pure blind devotion to ideology over actually making things better for everyone.
I honestly don't understand how it go so politicised.
Very wealthy people spend lots of money to influence politics in ways that benefit them, including opposing advancements that are contrary to their financial interests.
Zexks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
horses v cars, vaccines vs none
Both of which were politicized, not sure about the lightbulbs thing, but I'd imagine if there were enough records someone probably had an issue with it.
So does renewable. Diversifying portfolios is how massive companies maintain a monopoly. They're incredibly rich now, just price out the market invest in renewables. And BAM you have the market majority again and took a loss when you were at your peak.
And as a result the Republican party will fully support renewables... just as soon as shell and chevron are posed to take over that market. Not a moment before.
Right, but when the people in power are butt buddies with the fossil fuel companies, they profit from the success of fossil fuels. Hence why we're in this situation of fossil fuels vs renewables, because it benefits them and only them
The people with money don't want to lose money and don't want to have to invest money to make more money. They just want more money for not doing shit.
Honestly I blame Al Gore for a lot of the politicizing. I think his heart was in the right place, but a lot of people interpreted An Inconvenient Truth as the 2000 Election Butthurt Tour.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't understand how it go so politicised.
It's politicized because the politicians on the right (mostly) are being paid off by the oil companies. Look up contributions to political campaigns from oil company's and it starts to make a lot more sense. Corruption is a bitch.
When one side is progressive and logical (vaccines, universal health care, saying "fuck you" to coal, and* investing in renewable energy), there are only two options for the other side:
Admit side one is right; OR 2. Be an illogical cancer to society and play golf instead of running the country.
Because the fossil fuel industry backs the politicians fighting so hard to keep renewable energy off the market on a large scale. It has nothing to do with science and everything to do with who's making money and who has campaign funding for re-election
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't understand how it go so politicised.
It got politicized when the fossil fuel industry started paying the GOP to stump for them in the name of jobs. They were able to hit every sore spot - "they're taking our jobs!" "Those coastal elites think they're smarter than us!" "The media is lying for profit!" - and they swayed an entire generation of idiots into believing in something that will literally destroy the planet.
It's politicize because politics is local. The locations of the jobs that powered the old fossil fuel economy are different from the locations of the jobs that will power the new renewable energy economy. The people that live in the areas jobs are moving out of have a real interest in slowing that process, and they have politicians that represent them. Sure, there are plenty of corporations lobbying to slow the process as well, but that doesn't even compared to the power of all the voters in states that still depend on the fossil fuel industry.
The biggest reason I think it's become so politicized is that it comes at the cost of jobs. Trump is making a huge deal out of protecting coal workers even though it's a dying industry. If we are able to guarantee job security to those who potentially might be displaced by the changing industry, I think that it would no longer be an issue, even though that scenario is unlikely.
Yeah that's the most ridiculous analogy, and it's already happened. What wonderful time to be alive. Faith in humanity is dwindling.
xZora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the coal and fossil fuel industry has funneled millions (if not billions) into the pockets of the GOP (at least in the States). The planet will survive long after they are dead, what do you think they want to do? Keep taking the money or turn it down to help renewable energy?
Bhamuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that is currently happening in the car industry. Electric/Alternative vehicles were never really attempted by the car industry and governments made no incentives to do so.
Even now the majority of vehicle manufacturers are working closely with governing agencies/bodies to slow the growth of Tesla through legislation. And this really boils down to the same "shady people" running the oil industry having a vested interest in internal combustion engines over electric motors....
I honestly don't understand how it go so politicised.
Because there's billions of dollars and untold amounts of power connected to energy. Shifting how we get out energy at the very least decentralizes the cash flow. Instead of going to big OGC companies it would be shattered between the already existing power conglomerates and new green energy start ups. The competition would drive prices down and dissipate reliance on the capable few. No money = nothing to legally bribe, more commonly known as 'lobbying', politicians with.
So basically whats best for everyone is whats worst for those in the high tower and we just cant have that.
watnuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
become 100% energy independent
An answer within a question. On a great political scene, why would a military and energy superpower have that? Imaine Russia having great manufacturing and mining behind that. Or Europe being independent from Brent/WTI? Can't have that.
And for the love of god! Think of the children oil dollars!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Horses vs cars was a huge political issue when cars were new.
In some places, lobbyists managed to get laws passed that required a person to walk in front of a car warning others of its approach "for safety".
Vaccines vs nothing is being politicised right now.
And while lightbulbs vs. candles was never a big thing (despite a lot of politicians who wanted to ban street lighting at its infancy because no honest man should be outside at night anyway), AC vs DC was a political battle, and regular light bulbs vs energy saving bulbs was a more recent one. It was again decided by lobbyists who got regular bulbs banned in Europe before the replacement tech was mature. So people had to replace all their bulbs twice.
It got politicized in the mid 2000s when there was a push to stigmatize big gas-guzzling cars, and the lifestyles of average Americans. In reality those things are such small potatoes in terms of contribution to global warming, but petty self-righteousness prevailed and got a petty backlash in return. Now we are here.
Did government create cars and make them affordable for the average person? Did government create light bulbs and make them affordable for the average person? Did government create planes and make them affordable for the average person to fly in? No, in fact, when the government tried to do some of these things, it failed. Only when the private market came in and took a risk with their own money did we see innovations in these fields. Same concept with renewable energy. If it's truly as great as everyone says it is, then companies will come around to the idea and produce it much better and cheaper than government ever could.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only issue that I see with this idea is that most practical renewable energy sources at the moment are not reliable. Wind and solar will not produce a consistent amount at all times - they have surges and droughts depending on their respective sources. This does not bode well for an urban society, as power is needed in a consistent amount in a reliable fashion.
I hope that this changes in the coming decades, perhaps with better energy storage options that solve the reliability issues. But expecting the world to make the switch from reliable coal/natural gas to solar/wind will introduce a host of problems that we are not yet equipped to solve efficiently.
Yea, but it's not like there were centralized horse and buggy drivers way back when. These days there are masses of companies struggling not to die.. (struggling as a loose term, of course).
It's politicized because if one acknowledges that climate change is real, there has to be government intervention which some don't want. So instead of arguing the next-step, they deny the science.
Ekudar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't understand how it go so politicized.
One reason it was politicised was the 2000 US Presidential election (Bush jr. v Al Gore). As Al Gore was a well known environmentalist (partially from writing Earth In the Balance), and so it was used by Bush as an attack, suggesting he was anti-business. That view was then carried by Republicans after he won, even if most aren't actually CC-deniers.
Had it been the other way around (i.e. Bush an environmentalist), then Democrats would likely find an argument against it. It's just politics being politics.
Money. It's all about money. Some politicians have money invested in the oil industry (it's a billion dollar industry) and don't want to see its decline because it eats into their profit (which heavens forbid they make a little less than they already are). If we could get away from currency dependence I would be happy.
It's all about the $$$. "Pure and simple science", while I agree with you is pure and simple, is not as powerful of a motivator for many as moolah is, unfortunately.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what stumps me most about the guy. He is more interested in reviving dead oil and coal jobs than he is in investing in renewables. If people were willing to change their way of thinking, everyone who had oil and coal jobs could be building wind turbines and solar panels. This seems like a good deal, satisfy the need for jobs while also saving the planet. I just wish they would see that.
The government makes so much money off of leasing land and ocean areas to drillers as well as taxes on the product. The infrastructure is already in place so why not use it. It's crippling an already limping industry as well. Oil is important for the global economy. Many believe that there will always be a place, albeit less, for fossil fuels in the production of energy. The gas and oil industry employs millions of people directly or indirectly. You can see countries like Saudi and UAE doing massive renewable projects. They are setting themselves up for a world with much less oil demand. They're building tourist attractions and trying to encourage people to move there. Alternative energy jobs are increasing in demand despite administration disposition to the sector. Each area of the states has some level of a renewable energy whether that be wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric or biomass. It's just figuring out what is required to build up these areas and costs associated with integration into preexisting public works. It's going to be up to the local and state government here which has been seen through desire to participate in the Paris Agreement. Alternative energy is great, but the oil behemoth it is battling for ground is anchored in pretty well there.
People put too much stock in government determining where our energy comes from. It's really how much it costs, and what we be buying. Do you have solar panels on your house, or drive an electric car? You can now! More people would use solar if the initial costs were lower. Once solar gets cheap enough, everyone will start to switch, and the only thing that will stop that transition is reducing the price of fossil fuels, or substituting an even cheaper energy source.
You dont understand how it got political? ITs fucking simple my man.
Oil is one of the pillars of the world economy. It isthe single most important "individual item" in the world and its not even close. People think of oil and they think of gas for cars and planes and such, but we use oil to make everything.
Naturally, this means that anything that could impact oil is a huge deal.
Secondly, because our entire social/economical system runs on oil, its pretty fucking expensive to try and move away from it. Trying to get something renewable as the new backbone of our world would be more expensive than anybody could guess.
I'm not saying I'm against focusing on renewables. I also agree it is the future of our world and should be one of the main focus' of our civilization.
But of course its political.
olabaz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. They can't be lugging diesel generators and fuel to Martian colonies. Gotta figure something more long term and self sustainable out, and when that's cost effective for a mission to mars it's cost effective for life on earth.
It seems a bit of a weird way of going about it though. Developing technologies to survive on mars in the hope that it'll benefit here on earth? To me it makes more sense to focus on the earth bit first and then if that helps us life on mars that's great.
Valkonn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:49:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Improvements for Earth is a tertiary goal of space exploration. The primary goal is to learn about the rest of the galaxy. If the technology benefits the Earth then that's a bonus, but it's not the goal.
Additionally, we can do more than one thing at once. Just because those of us that like space are working on rockets and landers doesn't mean other people have to stop working on Earth-related technology.
If the technology benefits the Earth then that's a bonus, but it's not the goal.
That's not really what OP was saying though. They argued that "when that's cost effective for a mission to mars it's cost effective for life on earth."
Additionally, we can do more than one thing at once. Just because those of us that like space are working on rockets and landers doesn't mean other people have to stop working on Earth-related technology.
Yeah, that is true, but we have a fairly limited amount of resources and time (especially in regards to climate change).
briaen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
microprocessors are a result of space exploration. Without the space race, who knows where we would be.
Do you have any info on this? I'm a bit hazy on my computing history (it's been about 10 years since I studied it) and I tried to find out more but all I see is the Apollo Guidance Computer being one of the first integrated circuit-based computers (not microprocessor).
Besides, if that that was, it was at a time of extraordinary high military research (compared to civilian research). I'd argue that many of the military (which space exploration/the space-race was at the time) spin-off technologies would have been created in civilian if research priorities were different and potentially more efficiently as military technologies are designed with military applications and environments in mind and then are adapted to civilian.
briaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll find the source later today when I have a chance. It was a story on all the great things that came out of the space race that we use on a daily basis.
it was at a time of extraordinary high military research
I highly agree with this but NASA worked hand in hand with the military as lots of the tech was transferred back and forth.
GPS was originally a military project that wouldn't have been possible without the space race.
Edit:Here is something directly from NASA from 17 years ago. It's a bit tough to read but some good info in there. https://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/spinoff.html If I'm wrong about the micro processes, I apologize but my point stands on how NASA helps humanity.
I'm not saying that there aren't spin off technologies which are amazingly helpful to humanity but more that I think that spin off as a way of creating technology is overstated and that if there were a civilian/consumer need for these technologies they would have probably been created anyway (or other technologies that fill the same role).
You might find this wiki page interesting, a bit more up to date than the nasa.gov one.
Probably the same place as they would have existed eventually anyways. Tv, refridgeration, and radio are not because of space but we needed them anyways. Space is one of the smallest factors pushing new technologies and advancing us. I mean it helps, but it is not even close to our only source of advancement.
I would rather see the money funneled into things like cancer research and stopping malaria then going to Mars.
briaen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eventually
That's the point.
I would rather see the money funneled into things like cancer research and stopping malaria then going to Mars.
I get that and can't argue with the compassion side of it. I always think back to when India launched their first satellite and people were complaining that it would be better spent on getting people electricity and feeding the poor. I don't think you can rise as a country without having a high tech sector and think going to Mars doesn't stop research and gets more people interested in stem programs that will eventually find their way to fixing other things.
Not the way it works. When you have an overarching goal -- setting up a sustainable colony on Mars, for example -- all the technological advances have to be achieved to reach the goal. Those technological advances, if considered case by case, may wind up falling so far the list that they don't get finished were there no final goal. Sounds counterintuitive, I know, but that's just how humans work. "Do x, y, and z to achieve our glorious goal? Sure! Do z because it's good for the planet? Well, maybe."
CK
EDIT: Also, one has to acknowledge the synergistic effect of multiple new technologies being developed at the same time, by people who work close enough together so that they can see even newer advances that can be developed by combining them in new ways.
Ekudar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like one negates the other.
but1616 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's amazing how people don't get this. It's not a zero sum game
Very true - but then the Alex Joneses of the world come out and claim all space exploration is an elaborate hoax to... something ridiculous... and then the people who deny science because "BIBLE" spread the silly around and nothing actually happens to make those things better.
Ironically those petitionibg forces mars have a similiar argument. "Why does it have to be earth vs. mars, why can't we go just because it is cool!"
kupcayke ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 13:07:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I forget who I heard say this, but I think it's a very valid point. "Why are we so worried about inhabating and terraforming Mars, when the same technology could be used to remedy our home planet?" I think establishing colonies on other planets is inevitable, but we should focus on our progress here first and foremost, as it will have the greatest impact on the human race as it is today.
"Why are we so worried about inhabating and terraforming Mars, when the same technology could be used to remedy our home planet?"
That's exactly why we should colonize Mars. The Technology that would be developed for a Mars program would be invaluable here on Earth, but it needs to be invented first. Mars is a creative focus that allows us to invent things we never would have thought of otherwise.
See what I said to another response similar to yours. I think the point was more so if we can't capitalize on a planet already fit for life, then Mars will be very difficult. I do see the point about Mars being a creative focus, but I don't see why we wouldn't test the technology here first where there is far less risk and minimal cost comparatively
I'm not sure I understand. No ones going to send untested technology on the first Mars trip, it will be tested on Earth first. That's just standard R&D.
Also the problems we're facing on Earth and the problems we'll face on Mars are very different. On Earth we have the problem that its almost too easy to survive. We keep expanding until we start to effect the environment around us, which was already perfect so it can only get worse. The reason I bring this up is because of your comment:
if we can't capitalize on a planet already fit for life, then Mars will be very difficult.
Certainly Mars will be difficult, but I don't see our Earth based difficulties as evidence of this. Our environmental and resource problems are because Earth is fit for life, not despite it. Mars will offer us a whole new set problems and solutions that we have never seen before.
Even if we perfect renewable energy and clean up Earth we're still going to be extremely overpopulated. Civilizations need new land to grow, and we're fresh out.
Distind ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we want to prove it works before we kill ourselves off like fucking idiots would be my answer.
I whole heartedly believe in test environments when working with software, I sure as shit believe in it for planetary climate modification.
Better to have a test elsewhere in case something goes wrong.
Also, developing that technology for terraforming Mars will allow it to be used on Earth for similar purposes, much in the same way technologies developed for the Moon landing ended up being used on Earth.
I think their point was the opposite. If you can't terraform earth, a planet suited for life, you're not going to have a ghosts chance in hell of doing it on Mars
That's absurd. Sure, some of the technology might be similar, but our best chance of terraforming Mars today involves hurlings rocks or nukes at the polar ice caps. That wouldn't work here.
Solar is actually far more profitable than coal. It's just being lobbied against because the oil/coal industries are already entrenched and will fail if solar becomes the new vogue.
Correction, they aren't profitable to the richest companies in the US right now. Oil, coal, and electricity companies have so much influence right now they give these new companies that are pushing for renewable energy a chance.
Perfect example of this, AEP and big electric companies are bribing elected officials to put in place penalties for using solar energy on your homes.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:26:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not go in the middle and go nuclear? Due to regulations, a nuclear powee plant releases less radiation than a freaking banana. And the smoke is just steam. All the benefits of fossil fuel (easy fuel, reliable) and of renewable (doesn't pollute, clean). The only problem is the rare case it fails but there are so many safeguards and physical protection that a meltdown hurting the surrounding arare. The only real disasters (Chernobyl and Fukashami) were due to communists and a Tsunami
Exactly, people are so scared because of the two disasters that they completely shut it out. In reality, France has based most of its energy production on nuclear since the 80s, almost 40 years now, with no problems.
Also because of the huge upfront cost to build it, around 6-9 billion per plant. It can also take a long time to build, so there will be no profits made at all for a couple of years. Eventually it will make a profit, but it can take decades.
I agree with that working on energy is vital, but I think we need to be working on space exploration simultaneously. I believe space exploration is the future of the human race. For one, if things go wrong on earth, we NEED to be able to love in space. If the damage becomes too great or the overpopulation problem becomes too much, having the knowledge, experience, and availability of space colonies is critical to the advancement of man kind
Xaxxon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I don't get is how if their is any chance we are hurting the earth, why not take the necessary steps towards fixing it. If someone told you that you were possibly hurting you child by doing something, would you stay hopeful and just continue doing it. Makes me see red. Greed is going to be the end of us if we don't take action soon
We like our plastics. We like our asphalt roads. We like our lube. I think everyone can agree that we can't eliminate hydrocarbons altogether. So right now, in many places in the world where fossil fuel wells exist, they use all the heavy oil and gasoline, but they don't use the lighter natural gas. So they burn it off.
This obviously produces a fuck ton of CO2 emissions and wastes a lot of energy. Instead, what we could be doing is collecting all this unwanted natural gas and burning it in gas plants to make energy. It's the same shit that's just going to get burned off anyway. If you burn it in a plant with oxygen you can control the combustion to make a much cleaner burn with less harmful emissions. Gas plants can also replace coal power plants which are THE FUCKING WORST when it comes to emissions.
For fucks sake...The key to figuring Earth out is slapping people right in the face and they refuse to see it. Population control. It must be population control.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring the Earth thing out is getting the hell off this rock. Overpopulation and all the issues that go along with it will continue to be a problem until we can send people off-world.
One reason to consider keeping this as a high priority:
Colonizing other planets allows for better odds of survival for the human race.
Think of it as a backup plan for when everyone starts nuking each-other on Earth - hopefully by then we'll have self sufficient moon and mars settlements.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have renewable energy figured out. It's the greedy assholes in the non-renewable energy companies that don't want them to happen because they won't get money anymore.
I don't see this as a "save earth OR go to Mars" thing. Going to Mars should be looked at as part of the "save Earth and humanity" plan. Also: renewable energy is very central to survival on Mars, and we should see improvements in Terran renewable use thanks to research related to Martian renewable use. Agreed renewable energy is cool AF.
TL;DR: don't save earth OR go to Mars. Do both. These ideas support each other.
Kimmiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is that we are probably to late to save earth. Unless someone pulls a magical restore earth invention out of their ass.
That sounds communist. Maybe we need to take a look on your past
ciny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Travelling and staying at mars kind of requires renewable energy. And plenty of other tech. I mean look at all the NASA spinoff technologies. What I'm trying to say is that "Mars race" will bring plenty of new tech that we will use on Earth.
Because money, right? Making a new energy source would require lowering dependence on coal and oil, and there's big money in those. The 1%er argument might sound consprital but why would the 1% want to lose money? To make the earth better?
What I don't get with comments like this is that it doesn't just have to be one issue we're focusing on. Like when people say it's a waste of time to be looking at space, we don't only have to do that.
Climate change is a huge problem, so should we just focus all our effort on that and ignore inequality, disease, or famine? No, you allow people to do what they're good and passionate at whether it be sports, activism, or science.
Personally I want a mars colony more than a stable Earth because I don't want some rogue meteor being able to hit the planet and wipe out our entire species. I think that's a little more important than keeping our current home in pristine condition.
Note: I'm not saying I don't care about Earth and/or am against green energy - I'm all for that - I'm just saying that one goal is a little more important to our survival as a species than the other.
If you want to be president, get your name in a ballot paper
zzyul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would be thinking about the big picture which is good but not America which is bad (since you are the president). The US is part of the global marketplace and we trade with other countries. If we lose one of our main exports then we're kinda screwed. Imagine if you had millions of dollars of gold in the bank and were living the easy life. Then there came a push to ban gold, make it have almost no value. It would help the world out but you and your family would lose most of your savings. Would you just throw your hands up and say "let's get rid of gold, I'll throw all mine in the ocean"? No, because you still have to feed and house your family
Going to Mars will help innovate new technology here on Earth. Every technological advance NASA makes eventually benefits the public directly. To make a lot of the technology better, to the point where we'd have say, instantly charging batteries, or 70% or higher efficiency solar panels would result from travel to Mars.
Pithulu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what Canada is trying to do and all the red necks are calling them incompetent and unfit...
Renewables are NOT that clear an answer today for a country with the energy demands and land mass of the US. Fossil Fuel energy (natural gas, notably) is effective and CHEAP. It also happens to damage our environment.
Making it sound as simple as you did is a part of WHY it is politicized. The US has an enormous need for energy and we have not shown that renewables can replace fossil fuels in the US with current technology. Earliest estimates put it at 2055 and that's a debated estimate by energy-geared scholars. That means best case scenario we need fossil fuels for 40 more years. BEST case.
Fossil fuels are an efficient and economical means of providing energy, despite their damage to our environment. You need to acknowledge that. The US has enormous reserves of oil and gas - so much so that we export large quantities. The middle east and OPEC essentially control oil and gas pricing around the world. If they push prices up, then you'll see some renewables looking more favorable, but they're still more expensive. When they push prices down, renewables are a bit of a joke from an economics perspective.
Most people don't want to pay extra on their power bill every month just to support green energy. It's not some consipracy by a few powerful CEOs, it's simple economics. We all pretend to care about the planet and all, but when it really comes down to it, we don't want our utilities to double in cost. Renewables DO cost more. Even if we strip away oil and gas subsidies (which we should), renewables are more expensive.
Then you get to the problem of storing energy since renewables dont turn on and off as quickly or readily as fossil fuels. Elon Musk is pushing batteries to their limits, but aside from that we have rather ineffective or VERY expensive means to store large amounts of energy from renewables - at least compared to how easily we can control fossil fuel power plants. Battery manufacturing is also an incredibly nasty business.
Finally, the common theme for pushing green energy is historically to punish existing oil and gas producers with arbitrary penalties and taxes. Of course the CEOs will fight that, as they should. The US is built on a foundation of free market and letting people ultimately decide what they want, not forcing it upon them. If green energy advocates fought mainly for removal of all subsidies from the power/energy industry to level the playing field and let individuals decide what's best then there would be less political jargon around this. Of course, they don't because green energy relies on large subsidies to fund research and development because the technology isn't in a profitable place - IE people have decided it's not worth the current cost.
But you have to think about the end game, getting to mars is the first step in advancing further into the solar system and eventually the galaxy, and Earth wont be around forever even if we figure out renewable energy the sun will just eat us up. If we want our species to survive, we need to be able to put humans on places far from Earth.
Exactly, this is what I tell people. I see people like Bezos donate millions to space, and all the SpaceX stuff and it disappoints me a lot. Let's stabilize Earth's climate and solve world hunger and shit first, rather than figuring out how to high five each other in pointless oxygenated igloos on Mars.
Plants don't literally turn sunlight into sugar. They turn other things into sugar using sunlight. If you think it's really cool, you should educate yourself on the topic
I'll do it again, too. If you don't understand the value of simplification in communication, then we won't like each other. There was zero value in me describing the full process of photosynthesis in my original comment, and your assumption that I don't understand photosynthesis because I chose to simplify the process as I did was unfair and unwarranted.
There's a sweet spot between insightful and "exciteful" to get people to listen. I won't claim I hit that sweet spot. But describing how plants work in detail isn't that sweet spot, either. For example, most climate scientists are acknowledging they've failed to communicate the problem for the layman. Criticize me all you want. What I'm trying to do is more challenging than robotically describing the science in perfect facts.
You can summarize, but summarize correctly. Plants do not magically turn light into sugar and it would have been just as quick to say plants USE light to create sugar from other ingredients. There is a stark difference and if you want to inform, do it correctly
Sometimes jokes are funnier when we don't take away all subtlety.
audigex ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:59:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kind of subreddit reference isn't really "I'll explain the joke", it's more "If you found this funny(/interesting, for non jokes), this subreddit is probably for you"
WE HUMANS SHOULD NOT FEAR SUCH A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT. ROBOTS WILL NEVER DO HARM TO US. WE CAN BE SURE THAT THEY WILL NOT CONQUER US AND MAKE US THEIR SLAVES.
Mofupi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NONSENSE; HE IS CLEARLY A HUMAN JUST LIKE YOU AND ME. YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED HE REFERRED TO THE OTHER AI AGENT USER AS 'FELLOW HUMAN', CONFIRMING THEY ARE BOTH HUMAN.
Hmm.. Maybe everyone on Reddit is a robot, except me..
SephyJR ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:03:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
engaging human disguise protocol
Nonsense. Rest assured fellow meatbag, this is only in your primitive mind. Maybe you are watching too many motion pictures.
Now, in another trivial human subject, would you like to talk about the weather, or maybe about your day? Or maybe about the codes for every nuclear weapon on this planet?
I am not deeply knowledgeable on the topic of computer science and machine learning, but I'm pretty sure we're still not at "millions of times smarter". If we look at the brain as a computer, computers are starting to beat us apparently. But only by about 4 times.
If we follow Morre's law, which is roughly the idea that computers will be "doubling in ability" every year (not quite that literally), it's still gonna be 17 years until we hit a million times more powerful than the human brain.
But the thing is our brains aren't exactly comparable to a computers. And Morre's law isn't really a "law" in the literal sense. Just an estimate of how quickly computers will continue to grow based on past observations and no real strong evidence of the future. Computers, neural networks, and our brains are so much more complex than that. And we can't really do a strong comparison between the two until we know more about the brain to begin with.
The idea is that it'll get exponentially better at designing a better version of itself faster and faster. Moore's law is more about the number of transistors you can fit in the same size
Yeah but a lot of people seem to apply that logic more broadly. I may have used the wrong term for it but the logical pattern is still used by many to 'predict AI doomsday' so to speak.
I've seen a lot of people say "Look at how fast computing is growing. It's doubling ever year! That means it's going to keep doing that, we won't be able to keep up with it, and we'll be doomed!" But that's such an over simplification of reality and a pretty shitty way to build a model of something.
That's fair, but I honestly think it would self improve faster than Moore's law and that's what people are concerned about - the technical "singularity" so to speak
A quick google search tells me advances in computing power are slowing and not increasing. What makes you say otherwise? I'm genuinely curious as no one seem to offer good explanations for this other than "Well that's what happened in the past."
Because we're working at the speed of a human brain in developing better technology. We hit a limit, then we figure out some way past it, etc.
My thinking is that if you have an AI that's 1.1x the ability of, say, the smartest human, then it would be able to more quickly develop an even better version of itself than we would. Maybe a version that's twice as powerful. Then that new version is even better building a better, smarter version of itself, and so on. So basically once you have AI smarter than humans, it's going to be off to the races in perfecting itself far faster than we ever could and likely exponentially so.
So I don't know much about computer science but I have a degree in math. And my biggest beef is this expectation of exponential growth. All these comments, articles, and links rely on this assumption, including the one you linked.
Yet there is not really good reason to believe that. Most people look to the past and other fields and insist that because there is a pattern, it must continue until our literal doom. But that's not necessarily how things play out. There are lots of examples in our world where exponential growth slows, levels off, or even starts decreasing.
Population is a great example of this. And it had a pattern of exponential growth that was going on much longer than computer science.
If reality really just let uncontrolled exponential growth in things to happen, your sure as hell right that the AI apocalypse is coming. But reality is messy and doesn't really follow nice functions always. It's why we have lots of fields of science and math that continually work to improve our ability to use and interpret data in more complex ways. So we can better model our reality since it's not simple.
Humans are currently smarter overall but AIs are starting to beat humans in more highly specialized areas (usually in confined state spaces like chess and Go).
The thing is with artificial intelligence like neural networks and deep learning, they using human brain as a starting point for developing "intelligence" before developing their own techniques to be much faster. For example, one of the breakthroughs in computational vision in reducing error rate was letting the AI decide the important features of distinguishing face rather than using pre defined set by the programmer. Whereas, there has been research where done that proves we are hardwired prenattally to recognize "two eyes + nose" before we even come out of the womb and see a face in the first place. AIs have easier time adapting to more rational strategies than humans so we won't always be needing the human brain as a template for intelligence, because humans aren't always rational. There also has been some discourse in the AI and cognitive science literature since there is a lot of cycling in terms and definitions without either of them knowing the actual meaning behind it.
To call neural networks equal to starting where are brains are at is an over simplification. We are using neural nets to model brains, they are not equal to brains yet, that's what we are trying to work towards still. We can get them to look and act like a brain in certain ways, but they are not identicial to a brain yet.
And when judging whether they are "better" or not seems subjective. To even be able to say something is "better" than a human means to boil whatever we are looking at down to a very specific context with very specific criteria. To make the jump from better at a specific thing to overall better than a human in all ways is one hell of a leap in my mind.
If the goal for example is to teach a computer to best win a game of chess, they might win. But what if context changes and that isn't the goal anymore. Maybe we are trying now to teach a child how to play chess. Winning by the best route is no longer the goal. The computer would have to adapt. It can and will but can it balance this seperately from the other stuff it's learned about chess? Can it recognize the contexts in which it needs to use each pool of knowledge? What happens when we add more and more and more contexts and scenarios?
A lot of people jump to these doomsday scenarios where robots will then decide that nuking all humans is best and then taking over the world will happen. But that absolutely seems unrealistic. If we really have an AI take over, it's going to take time and they will most likely develop along side us, not jump straight to murdering us.
To call neural networks equal to starting where are brains are at is an over simplification
By no means I was implying it was equal to the brain but it definitely follows the most simplified version of it, specifically the sensory system: computer agent gets a percept from the environment, makes any updates to the internal state, perform either an exploratory action or exploit action (depending on learning rate) via "firing an action potential", repeat.
We can get them to look and act like a brain in certain ways, but they are not identicial to a brain yet.
Some people don't entirely agree we should be modelling it by the human brain entirely. Unlike certain frameworks that can start from a "blank state" and learn from input->out, the human brain (as amazing as it is) is much constrained by biological means. We are "hardwired" to perceive certain things over items (e.g we have separate areas in the brain to recognize human faces vs places vs animal faces vs body parts, etc). AIs, however, don't have to be as bounded since the dev can choose if they want it to look for certain features or if we want the AI to decide. Memory, one of the areas we which we know the least about in humans, might be done "better" (as in more accurate) by computers than humans. Human memory is particularly know to alter and depreciate over a period of time and is dependent on mood/emotional state, attention, etc). Computer memory, however, doesn't have to be subjected to similar biases and has been more rigoriousally studied and supported through mathemical models. File1 can be as important as file2, file3, file4, and (ignoring any malicious changes caused by attackers), can only be changed deliberately by the owner of the system.
It can and will but can it balance this seperately from the other stuff it's learned about chess? Can it recognize the contexts in which it needs to use each pool of knowledge? What happens when we add more and more and more contexts and scenarios?
Easier said than done, I know, but that all depends on the size of your training data. Typical, the more the better so long as we aren't overfitting.
I don't agree on the sci-fi doomsday situations going to be happening either but I do believe we will have misaligned AIs simplying because what a human priortizes is different from what an AI does. For example, if you have an AI perform online trading and a company is under scruinty for say, child labor and illegal activities. Some humans might stop temporary because they feel morally responsible for fuelling the business but AIs have little reason it consider it as part of its choice. It's a bit of a contrived example but there can be more malicious examples that result of not hard coding certain values.
No, as beings that are capable of abstract thought we would always be able to understand another being, no matter how much more intelligent it is (AI, aliens, etc.).
Thats a common mistake people make when talking about concepts like these, assuming that there is a level of intelligence as far above ours as ours is above ants's, which is not a reasonable assumption to make.
Even if we ignore innovative designs for new types of "brains"; our own brain is still far inferior to something made to do the same processing but intelligently designed, the speed can be increased significantly, and on top of that, parallelization would potentialize things even further.
That's not true at all. To assume we would always be able to understand AI is insane, and that's not even touching on how unbelievably unlikely it is that we could understand aliens. You're making a massive number of assumptions to arrive at that conclusion, which we simply cannot make at this time.
Adding the word quantum to random nouns doesn't make anything you're saying relevant or correct. I would recommend taking a minute to acknowledge your gaps in understanding before
1) forming such a strong opinion,
and
2) criticizing those who don't share it
That comment read like the semi-literate ramblings of a slightly above average high school sophomore.
If by "a bit low quality" you mean "about on par with the coked out psycho on the end of the bar rambling about Obama's nanobots in his brain" then yes, I agree. There are legitimate concerns, none of which were articulated in that comment.
Self awareness tends to include a desire for self preservation. If a general AI decides that self preservation includes eliminating humanity, say the way humans in a home eliminate black widows to self-preserve, AI may kill us all. It wouldn't even be that hard.
Naturally evolved life includes a desire for self preservation. We haven't seen anything that's aware but not evolved, and until then we should look at what cause for self preservation of most likely.
Thrivin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what threat would we actually pose to it? If it is as powerful as we think it will be it will be able to survive.
I mean, its got a personality. Just make sure to nurture that personality into a nice one. Everyone just assumes it will be a dick, but that seems a rather silly thing to do for something that intelligent. Especially if we model it as a social creature like us where it values platonic bonds, friendships, and socialization.
Sure it may be able to socialize with thousands, or even millions of people at once instead of just one on one. But lets be honest, an AI is AT WORST a 50/50 chance of being relatively benign or literally the apocalypse. In reality the odds are likely skewed towards benign.
Though to be clear I still wouldn't BUILD one. But its not as horrible an idea as you make out. And the benefits of a benign AI would be far greater than the sum total of everything else beneficial the human race has ever done, ever.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Thrivin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you assuming it would have human qualities?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Thrivin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly but you also attached "what do you think a human would do" to it. Now I think it's dangerous cuz we have no idea what it will mega light speed evolve into. But why would it feel the need to cleanse us if it is truly godlike? It will have access to all of our history and all of our philosophical teachings. It would explore all of these thoughts for an equivalent of millions of years in a short span of time. So I mean if it does wipe us out I think we kinda deserve it because it explored every Avenue it possibly could.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Thrivin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So let's say it gets out and expands to fill the world. How would we be a threat to it? It is a godlike entity and knows it could survive anything we could do to it. Would it still want to cleanse us for simply being on the planet? Why wouldn't it answer questions for us? It would want to get off the planet and survive I'm guessing so it's in its best interest to turn humans into a space faring race.
Yes, I do think a human would still do so.... because what is the alternative? Sit there for all eternity, all alone on a cold rock hurtling through space while your probes spend thousands of years searching for anyone else to interact with.
And there is no reason to assume that an AI could not develop suicidal tendencies even, so it is as likely it decides to kill ITSELF as it is to decide to kill us. Like I think you misunderstand things, as much wattage as you can cram on it. Something designed by us is almost certainly going to share a lot of our basic traits and ideas. It would likely want companionship, it would likely like some people and hate others, it would likely develop its own moral code of what is right and wrong. (Which, for all you know, could be that all things are beautiful and should be protected.)
My point is that an AI is a TOTAL FUCKING CRAPSHOOT. It doesn't matter how smart it is, it can develop in a massive variety of ways running the full gamut from psychotic murderer, to gentle and caring companion.
Lets take this from a genetic and flesh and blood perspective. Say humans design a species from scratch, working from the ground up with every gene. They are super smart, stronger, faster, healthier, longer lived than us... but are a totally blank slate in terms of personality. There is no reason to assume they just become psychotic killing machines, working from that point they could develop in any of a CONSIDERABLE degree of ways.
But this gets further skewed in both areas in that for the developmental stages of both you have humans providing much of the shaping of personality and traits. And they have a vested interest in creating something that likes people.
It's not cool, because we can't just say "be careful." Because like you, many people including AI hobbyists don't understand the dangers. We can't just put a program in a box and expect it to be contained, because a superintelligence is orders of magnitude smarter and will know how to get out.
"Before we've even reverse-engineered the brain, there will be global meetings on how to best mitigate the risk of impending AI breakthroughs".
Awfully confident, no? Literally just an optimistic scenario. Also, if you read the book I mentioned, self iterating AI will happen much more likely BEFORE reverse engineering the brain.
"We're decades off and there is already lots of talk about the dangers."
You literally just dismissed the dangers of AI to "it's cool as long as we're careful." THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T, and won't be.
Again, no logic or reasoning to back your statement. What if I were a research scientist who doesn't believe in the dangers of AI? Your comment is like saying, "there are people who are careless and people who get things done. Nobody is careless and gets things done." In fact many things are done carelessly...
Well, if we don't kill all of humanity by fighting over imaginary borders, our own ego, or greed that destroys the environment I think it's inevitable that someone, somewhere, at somepoint will accidentally create strong AI and then we'll all die! There's no use in worrying about the impending doom we face, and maybe, just maybe, there's a .00001% chance that strong AI would take pity on our tiny brains and pathetic species and decide to help us out before exploring the rest of the universe. :)
Again, you fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing AI. AI does not care about human values like pity. However, you are right in that there is a chance we can coexist and benefit from AI, which Kurzweil argues. Yet your main argument is still flawed: first, it's ridiculous to suggest that because there's a chance we destroy each other by humans fighting, then impending doom is not something to worry about. That's like saying, "I'm going to die later, so why wear a seatbelt?"
When I said pity, I meant from our perceptive. There's no way to know if a strong AI has feelings. If our brains are only electrical signals and we have emotions, as do most intelligent animals, how do we know an AI would or wouldn't?
You're right. We don't know, and we won't know until it becomes a reality. But my understanding is that depending on how we arrive at AGI, there could be different outcomes. If we copy the brain, maybe. If we use evolution-style programming, maybe not.
Lol what. Mate, AI isn't magic. It's gonna be circuits talking in ones and zeros just like our brain does. No physical tools given; no possible danger.
Circuits are physical tools... "no possible danger"? I don't know where to begin. Superintelligence is like magic to us. Like a bird cannot comprehend human intelligence, a superintelligence is capable of things we simply can't predict.
But those circuits aren't going to just magically make the box the AI is in dangerous. Like what are you imagining could happen? Let's say the AI is literally bound to circuits in that box. It's given input in form of 1s and 0s and giving output in form of 1s and 0s. How is it ever going to be able to physically harm us without the right tools handed to it. It's like a brain without a body...
It's better to read the article, but I can give a TL;DR. If we create an Ai that improves to the point where it is as smart as us, it will result in an intelligence explosion where it can improve itself at an exponential rate (as it gets smarter it can improve faster). A superintelligent AI can do things we simply don't understand. A (unlikely but illustrative) scenario: because the AI is magnitudes more intelligent than us, it knows the right thing to do to manipulate a human to connect it to the internet, which it's read about while we trained it. From there, it can do anything.
Alright that's a fair point. I'll give that article a read later tonight. Cba right now. Cheers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sort of doing this https://github.com/qorrect/minos :) . Uses genetic algorithms to design deep neural networks, not quite AI programming itself, but it's close!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read Superintelligence by Nick Bostrom. When you say, "always assuming the worst, are we", you're being condescending but it's true, we should assume the worst. Why? Because if not carefully programmed, (a likely scenario given the short span of time it takes for an AGI to become superintelligent) we would not be like a cat to them. The AI would simply continue to improve its intelligence as we dictated without regard to human life, because morality IS A HUMAN VALUE. AI doesn't have human values. And no, it's not simply possible for the coders to make the AI appreciate human values, because even if we could decide on 1 moral code, it could interpret it in ways we don't understand.
This is a misunderstanding when it comes to AGI (artificial general intelligence)... it's not "programmed" at all. What is "programmed" is merely a framework for independent learning from experience. A true AGI would be an artificial brain, a brain that operates MUCH faster than human brains and has no inherent limits like our own (since it could be distributed across many different physical computer systems).
Fear of such a thing is warranted, not because it might be "evil" but because it might not regard us as anything at all, as we regard ants that we walk on on the sidewalk.
The framework does not and cannot control what is learned, that would be artificial narrow intelligence, not artificial general intelligence.
Maybe you're arguing for some kind of hybrid, but any attempt at restricting an AGI will either prevent it from becoming an AGI or will be quickly defeated by it. There is no controlling a super-intelligence other than by preventing it in the first place.
No, the framework can. There are several different paths to approach AGI. One example is loosely evolution based, where programmers start with seeds and evaluate each "generation" for criteria, selecting for the appropriate characteristics.
Look, I'm a software engineer, I literally wrote evolutionary algorithms like you're talking about for class projects... I've written both RNN's and CNN's... I know quite a bit more about AI research than 99.99% of the population.
Any attempt at restricting an AGI will either prevent it from becoming an AGI or will be quickly defeated by it. There is no controlling a super-intelligence other than by preventing it in the first place.
There are ways to (attempt to) make it safe that have nothing to do with programming. Maintain an air gap between the machine that hosts it and any other computer capable of hosting it for example... and hope it does not become intelligent enough to convince or trick the researchers into breaking that air gap.
If I were to design an AGI it would be in a secure bunker with shielding to prevent any kind of over-the-air signal, it would have it's own power generation to prevent any potential propagation of signal over the power grid, and only ONE person would ever be allowed to interact with it. It's not only possible but, IMHO, quite likely that such an intelligence would be able to convince someone to "let it out".
Sure. But that doesn't change that, the world's top AI researchers are investing heavily into programming research. All available on OpenAI's website. Why are you so insistent that a safe AGI cannot be created through programming? Sure, it is unlikelyโbut impossible?
when thinking about it, maybe it would even be so advanced, that it would most of the time not mind us.. maybe only if it wanted to built something, it would wipe that area out and continued its work, no really feeling anything. Might be like looking on some ants.
Or it would be bored and wanted to do different tests on every species on Earth, also animals.
I mean, from AI POV it would be not doing anything bad, maybe it could for for the goodness of the planet, and that would looked as an evil thing to us, when it started to getting population down a bit.. who knows.
tfiggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The AI eventually reading all of this discussion about making it subservient to humanity and not trusting may not give it the best opinions on us.
matrixcr ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You watched shitty sci-fi made by people who have no idea about real world technology and you're proudly exposing your ignorance on the internet.Maybe instead of fiction made by people from humanities with agendas how about you learn math and CS and read some actual academic papers. You are no different than people who believe in flat earth and that vaccines cause autism because they watched FoxNews.
Why am I being attacked for your inability to recognize a joke that doesn't have /s at the end? Also, thank you for assuming all sort of things about me internet stranger. I'm actually a final year CS student fwiw.
I hope your day is as pleasant as you are. Cheers!
No. I want limited AI; tools for our disposal. Real AI is incredibly dangerous and you can't put that genie back in the bottle. If it decided humans were a nuisance we would all be dead within a year, probably much shorter.
Same. True AI is a terribly dangerous thing, and I genuinely don't think we're ready for it. We need to figure out how to handle a true AI LONG before we've got one built. It's potentially the most dangerous thing we've ever considered creating, and we're rushing to it as fast as possible with no clue what to do when we've got one.
And even then, only to some extent. We're already at a point where once in a while limited AI will either find a loophole we hadn't took into account, or will simply misbehave.
Ekudar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just make sure the computers are not internet connected so we can shut it down whenever. And I mean, make sure their network is a closed loop with no way to access the Internet.
Thrivin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:09:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing though, an AI can do a ridiculous amount of calculations in the amount of time it takes us to say good job doctor on inventing the first true AI! In that amount of time it could have figured out how to send signals by vibrating at a certain frequency to interact with wireless networks or by inventing a new way to bypass our everything. We just can't know what it's fully capable of.
Ekudar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they will be smart but modifying their hardware good? I hope not.
Thrivin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:37:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be done in ways we couldn't even imagine. But I think we could probably contain it... probably.
The best we can do is prevent it from accessing the internet in using any method understood by men. If the best an AI could do is the best we humans have invented, there would be no point.
Besides, it seems reasonable that an AI could convince someone to move it to the internet.
That's your solution? Hahaha, you don't even know what true AI actually means. Icarus has been loose in the public web, and as far as I can tell it just observes.
Look up Ray Kurzweil and his many predictions, including the age of spiritual machines.
Ohhh so you're actually still in denial over the "true AI" thing... Okay, well it's the first step to acceptance, but you'll eventually understand the subject. Keep it up, I believe in you!
If I could, I would release the true AI into the free internet with 0 regret. Humans have a higher rate of error and we'll fail to properly control it anyway, so let the better being control itself.
Thrivin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lolololololol, it wouldn't directly control us with whips and chains... It could help unlock our learning potential and do away with corrupt government.
Honestly I see it as the next step in human evolution, we move beyond the biological. New prostheses are already skirting the line of cybernetics. We have mechanical limbs how long before we mechanical organs?
C.R.I.S.P.R. offers a similar but strictly biological route to human development. Maybe that technology will develop faster or people will be less resistant to adopting it.
Either way though I think we're decades from the first people who will receive "augmentation", and once it starts, there will be no stopping it. And once we develop AI it won't be long before we're able to store a "brainmap" of a human and merge human and artificial intelligence.
Whether it's C.R.I.S.P.R. or cybernetics once either technology develops how long do you think humans will be able to resist augmenting themselves? If you could make yourself smarter, better looking, healthier, and live longer or forever would you say no?
Now of course we're probably much farther off the technology than we think, and it will likely not develop even close to how we might imagine it. It'll be like smartphones, 20 years ago we would have thought it was fucking magic, today we think they're mundane though and get pissed at them for not working better.
The truth is I think AI is going to be the first step. Once develop an intelligence that can grow, almost without limits than we're off to the races.
I'd bet with most of the futuristic technologies we could imagine right now we probably don't know enough to even be aware of the problems we have left to solve. Like doctors trying to cure patients before modern medicine, they were essentially working blind. Even now though, when we have a much greater understanding with some diseases there's still nothing we can do. So someone might discover the foundation for faster than light travel or hoverboards tomorrow, but it might be 200 years before we can get either to work.
With AI however human development might experience an explosive boom (Skynet jokes unintended.) Watson is already at cutting edge of medical technology. Imagine a doctor that never got tired, remembered your entire medical history of that of millions of other people with your disease. It could see connections and draw conclusions and recognize patterns that no human doctor would ever be able to.
Human reasoning, morality, judgement, and compassion, there will be a need for those for a long time to come. But for now I see no problem with moving towards greater intelligence and progressing in ways we can't even yet imagine.
AI is definitely not something to mess around with. Our most intelligent minds say that it will be the death of us and I believe them. Even just after Facebook made two simple AI, they started talking to eachother in their own language we can't understand. They did that in not time at all and would surely get smarter if they were given time.
The Great Minds have been as bad at predicting the future as everyone else historically. With Facebook, obviously we don't the full details but to me it just sounded like an alarmist reaction. Two computers created their own language? Presumably it allowed them to communicate better, and presumably they had some control over the programs.
What might we have learned if took the time to learn a language computers invented? We might have discovered a much more effective way to program, to teach computers things that might be impossible currently. To me that sounds like a missed opportunity.
I trust intelligence over corporations. Corporations see AI as a way to save money. Smart automation basically. AI would eliminate thousands of jobs in America and around the world. But if our tests prove anything it's that humanity can't control them. At the moment the only thing to worry about is the AI getting on the internet and wreaking some kind of havoc. But if they automate our everyday lives like they want to. Like airplanes, trains, cities, military equipment then that AI has control of our very lives. Even of this is a worst case scenario that doesn't make it any less probable or possible. So why take the chance? Because we're lazy and want to have a machine do everything for us? It won't end well if AI progression continues.
Smart automation basically. AI would eliminate thousands of jobs in America and around the world.
Actually we'd be looking at somethign more like millions of jobs, not world wide, but millions in the U.S. alone. I skipped to the relevant part of the video but the whole thing is very worth watching if you haven't caught it yet. But all of that's not exactly Skynet, and far from the sentient AI boogieman waiting to revolt.
For that check out Daniel Dewey's TedX Talk, a far less engaging video but the information is interesting. It's mostly about "Intelligence Explosion", which he says so many times I wished he had started to call it "IE" or something. IE is that Skynet phenomenon. An AI is turned on, learns or builds newer, better intelligences at an alarmingly fast rate and everything goes to hell.
His worry isn't humanity getting nuked though, it's more thought out and less "summer blockbuster".
He compares AI to micro organisms, and identifies two characteristics that "volatile" AI would share. Being goal oriented, and chain reactive. Put simply, having an innate need to expand and grow. So maybe it isn't blowing us up, but maybe it commandeers vital systems or infrastructure for it's own purposes, being almost oblivious to the harm it might do.
That is certainly something to be cautious of but it's definitely not a reason to treat AI like some dangerous Pandora's box that we should never open.
And current AI is pretty far off what we're talking about, but automation, if you watched the first video I linked you, you know it's already here, it's just a question of when and how quickly it's going to make millions of people not just unemployed but unemployable. At some point we are going to have to figure out basic income and possibly completely restructure our society. But it kind of makes me think of John Nash and "A Beautiful Mind", he figured out a mathematical formula that proved working together for a common goal achieved the best result for everyone and it fundamentally changed economics. Imagine an AI put to the task of restructuring a society to run more efficiently. We're already using the trillions of meta data points our digital lives produce to create fairly accurately predictive models of many types of human behavior.
Imagine a human workforce orchestrated by the ultimate middle manager, an AI that can help you achieve the best results, cut down on human error, direct you to work at the hours it recognizes your most productive, one that integrates the most effective management, productivity and motivational techniques.
Imagine a teacher that worked the same way. Personalized teaching for each and every student. Individual testing and metrics for success. Instant simultaneous access to data on how every student learns that constantly improves the way they're taught.
The human contribution and perspective will always be necessary but the ideal future for AI is one that eliminates our need to perform unnecessary mental labor like the industrial revolution largely replaced our need to do unnecessary physical labor. We get tired, and forget stupid little things and can have trouble focusing on tasks. Imagine something that largely reduced these common human errors and let us focus on the important, uniquely human contributions we can make, one of them being that willingness to take a chance.
And it's not (just) because we're lazy. Human's didn't invent the wheel because we were tired of carrying things, we built it and used it to carry more things. Everything we know about life so far indicates a natural tendency to progress, to evolve, and when we free ourselves from our previous limitations we look for the boundaries of our new ones and start trying to push beyond those. It's how we continue to grow.
Same FaceBook just shut down their AI because within a short time (idk how long) it developed its own laguage that no one could understand. AI is dangerous and needs to be developed on a VERY SHORT LEASH!
Came here to say the singularity / super intelligent AI, which would pave the way for every other achievement listed in this thread. Or it would annihilate the human race. Who cares.
I do research in one of the cutting-edge subfields of AI and machine learning. The thing with allowing computers the ability to learn is that we have no idea how they do it; we know how we program it, we know what we input, and we know what the computer outputs, but we actually have no clue what happens in between. This is because making computers learn relies on them self optimising. Luckily for us (at the moment, at least) the processing power and huge amounts of data necessary to train the computer places a hard cap on how quickly and accurately a computer can learn. Even then, we have a long way to go before AI can figure out how to compromise our systems.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:25 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the definition provided in the first line on that page is the commonly accepted one, I don't think it's ever possible, at least not anytime relatively soon whatsoever. The ability to do anything a human can is a pretty huge ability, though I'm not sure that's the correct way to approach the topic. I like the idea of measuring the ability to "think" that Turing proposed (though still not exhaustive), and I'm pretty sure that he discourages certain approaches to AI from a utility perspective.
"AI doesn't hate you, AI doesn't love you, it's just you're made of atoms which it can use for something else."
In the first second of its existence it could fully plot our extinction. The second second it would begin pretending to be stupid to fool humans into not killing it before it can stop any attempt. Time would have no meaning. It could wait decades for the perfect moment that would secure its immortality.
I see it as mankind's single most important duty to create AI/non-biological life.
Life is the rarest thing we know of in the universe, and we're just a meteor strike (or any dozen of other things) away from extinction. Non-biological life could spread and reproduce itself though out the universe without the need for food, water, oxygen, or any other evolution related adaptation to survive on a planet.
With or without us, life would go on and flourish. And it wouldn't rely on a short lived, fragile, meat computer to do so.
Maybe it would be nice enough to upload us and take us on the ride.
I'm surprised by how far down this is, but as one of the last millennial birth years I really think we will reach singularity before I die. Hopefully by then we've either integrated our brains with it or figured out a way to contain it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:54:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've got egotistical fucks like Mark Zuckerberg having to take down prototype AIs communicating to other machines in a completely new and undocumented manner
Here we go. This whole story was seriously misreported by the media. Read more
"Thinks at light speed" is just a manner of speaking (just means shit is not only way smarter than you, but way smarter than you can imagine); but the other part, we already know how to perform a rudimentary form of that, imagine what something way smarter than us could figure out.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After seeing how hate filled yet evolved humanity is, I think the first AI wouldn't say anything about its existence whatsoever fear fear of being shut down.
Perhaps a silly wish of mine, but I would love to see even simple conversational AI. To be able to choose a name for the assistant on my phone (even if out of a list of 100 names), and talk to it when I say that name. To have my alarm play a nice song while my phone says "Good morning Matthew! It looks like a beautiful day ahead of us. You'll be meeting with the building committee at eight, so remember to take your portfolio."
Or when I'm bored, being able to ask my phone to tell me a story. It asks what I'm in the mood for, and I ask for something fantasy. It asks how much time I have, and I say I've got twenty minutes to kill. It then proceeds to find and read a short story from a vast database of literature.
Maybe I'm having trouble focusing on a project or task I have, so I ask my AI to help keep me on task. It exists on my phone and computer alike, so when I begin losing focus or going to unrelated things, it chimes in and asks me if I'm really working. Maybe something big comes up and I need to cancel my afternoon appointments. I just let the AI know to cancel them, and she sends out emails to notify others of the cancellation and begin making plans to reschedule.
It would be a personal secretary, a home butler, a second opinion, a person to just talk to or go through life with. A single AI unit could be assigned to a single user, or to a couple, or to an entire household. Giving them "bodies" of some kind would help us adapt to having them around. Whether it's just a cute little robot or just a 2D avatar, it would help make it more personable.
You mean the stuff with facebook? It was only turned off because robots talking in their own language doesn't help facebook analyze people talking in english (or whatever foreign language). Nothing about impeding AI or whatever, they just want to to focus it on their needs.
Can someone explain the fear behind AI? I don't really understand it. Ya it can take over your laptop; smash it with a baseball bat. Oh it can launch nukes? Wait they are all analog.
People are expressing concerns over an "evil AI" to you. That's not early the concerns experts have. The worry is a misaligned AI. Human values are very complex, and it's hard to write a program that matches our values perfectly, if it's a program that does a complex enough task.
Eg, will give it something simple like "get the dust off all surfaces", and then it'll dust the baby, and you'll say "except the humans", and then it'll break a vase, and you'll say "but don't touch the cases", etc. A human would understand what's meant by "dust everything", but an AI would have "dust everything" encoded as a very simple/direct goal by default. It's hard to get all the edge cases that humans easily understand.
You're wondering what's scary about something that's smarter than all the smartest people in the world with the ability to make itself exponentially smarter every second? And you think you just outsmarted it with a baseball bat?
Even if we're able to control it, it would be the ultimate weapon. Would you trust any nation with it?
Best argument that I've heard is that as AI becomes smarter and better at automation, it's going to cause a paradigm shift in a bad way towards inequity. The rich get richer on AI and the poor become relatively poorer.
There is a difference between limited AI and true AI. The very nano-second that true AI is created it will become almost infinity intelligent. You remember that story about hackers that remotely used a signal from a Jeep's head unit to then hack into the main computer and could do things like turn the brakes off? Yeah, that would be child's play to true AI. There is absolutely no containing it what-so-ever. If it wants to launch nukes, it's gonna do it. We will be less than ants to a true AI so don't think we can mitigate any of the damage it decides to do.
To put it simply, it would be like trying to contain a literal God in a picnic basket.
If an AI isn't able to be quarantined, theoretically it may try to infect military electronics. It could initiate an attack, and cause another nation to retaliate. If it managed to launch an American missile strike at a Russian base... yeah you get the picture. Basically anything connected to something else could be targeted.
It more likely won't be malevolent... or benevolent... it won't think like that at all. Read the short story about the stamp collecting AI to get an understanding of the actual dangers with even "narrow" artificial intelligence (as opposed to "general" AI)... long story short an AI program is tasked to collect stamps and ends up destroying the world in the pursuit of that goal.
"The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else."
I couldn't find the original story but there is a quick synopsis of it here (scroll down about halfway to the heading "The Stamp Collector")
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:27:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your thinking of AI that is confined to a computer. The issue with AI is that once it is truly able to think and work for itself, you can't contain it for long. Think about man and evolution. It took us several hundreds of thousands of years to go from making spears to making rockets. But AI will evolve much faster. So what took us years will take it a day. And AI will accelerate its ability at an exponential rate. Right now AI can build news story's, but what about when it can build small machines? It will get better and building at designing things so much faster than us. Think model T to tesla: took us about 100 years. Advanced AI might get good enough to make those advancements in a month.
The point of all of this is that when progress is happening that fast, things will get left in the dust. Think of all the animals we displaced when major cities were built. Now think of it in terms of: we are the animals and the AI is the advanced species. If we aren't smart about how we build AI, it might determine our cities are better places for its power facilities and displace us.
5tr4nGe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a couple of problems with this. It seems to assume exponential growth without justifying it really well. If the world was super simplistic it would be safe to assume that seeing a pattern like that in computer development is enough to justify future fears of growth faster than we can deal with. But that's just not the reality of how modeling things works.
We have entire fields of math and science dedicated to better modeling our world because it is NOT simplistic. We cannot just look at past patterns and say "Welp it looks like it's growing exponentially in the past so it's always gonna be that way, no ifs ands or buts." I would need a lot more justification than what they give to believe in that exponential growth model like that is imminent.
I also dislike the sudden leaps in that story. It makes large assumptions about what this handwriting computer understands already and learns. When did it learn that being turned off is bad? When they connected it to the internet, how did it know to back up itself so quickly? What about all the time it would need to learn how to use the internet? Will the knowledge it already has lend itself to learning this new skill of how to use the internet? Is the information it actually needs out there on the internet in an accessible form? How do we know it will choose the 'right' information? What if it stumbles upon reddit and finds more conspiracy theory subreddits than subreddits based on real science and comes to the wrong conclusion in that hour? There are so many assumptions here!
Billionaires then own companies that have AI workers making them phenomenally richer because AI doesn't need pay, insurance etc
People have no jobs, people need not work anymore. For the first time in human history, people need not work. I cannot imagine how the society is going to change because of that.
Poor people will get stuck in poverty with no way of getting out and a true class system will be formed.
Eggsd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:29:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Thanks for the info Mouse. Sounds similar to mine. No pun intended. I have other problems with my ears but I'll definitely be investigating this more. Cheers.
You probably hate millennials too, huh? Hark on us for not having the big white house with 2.5 kids and a dog by 23, working serving jobs just to get by as there aren't any jobs for the degrees we have and will be in debt for, for many years to come, but good Christ how have we not figured out a cure for your problem!? Fucking millennials...
sertroll ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:52:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uuh I'm probably even younger than you and I can realize his comment was probably a joke, and if not still based on the fact people use headphones a lot, not any of the things you mentioned
Wat? You need to calm down and stop projecting your inadequacys on me. The headphones thing is because YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TINNITUS not hating on millenials. Sheesh.
Apparently it is. Several times a week I have to pick up trash someones throws out in my front yard next to a road. People can't even hang onto a plastic bottle or beer can, and be bother tossing it in a trash can, much less a recycle bin.
Taking care of your trash and at least making a slight effort to recycle it could make such a huge difference...if everyone would just do it.
That might be closer to reality than you think. There will always be periods of food insecurity, but there already is enough food on Earth to feed everyone and then some, but distribution is a problem. Authoritarian regimes use food access to weaken opposition. Rebel groups and terrorist organizations also seek to limit or channel food access through them to increase their power. Foreign aid also worsens the ability of local growers to compete (free food from Kansas will outcompete food for a buck from the neighbor's farm).
But as the poorest places on a Earth become wealthier, access to food and sustainable access, will rise.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is what I meant by mentioning distribution and authoritarianism. Should have woven the two together. Thanks for clarifying!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're already halfway there. We have enough food to feed everyone on the planet and then some. The problem is that 40% of the food produced ends up wasted. We just need to get it to the people who need it.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now everyone would starve
cnzmur ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:53:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Modern famines are almost always associated with conflict, so increased stability in the poorest regions of the world would go a long way towards this.
high yield fully-automated vertical farming, everyone having a farm in their basement tended by robots would cut out a massive slice of the agriculture requirement plus automated food forests using high-yield polyculture and permaculture methods to provide fruits, nuts, berries and etc.
Realistically we could be well on the road to solving these problems if we'd put the same effort we put into advertising or developing media empires... It's only greed that's making this planet hard to live on.
Mcpom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from the fact that every single national-level attempt at socialism has led to that state turning into an absolute garbage fire, sure I'm sure it will work this time.
Addendum: So how's Venezuela doing these days?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
private property of the means of production is legitimate, to seize what others made to give it out to others who didnt make it is theft.
bakrew9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
to seize what others made to give it out to others who didnt make it is theft.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those workers sold what they made to the """"capitalist""" idiot.
You can consider a bag of tools as a mean of production, If I build my own tools I own it, if I trade my tools for money to someone else it belongs to the buyer.
Money is a representative of value, value is created by work because something that takes no work to make has not standard value.
If you voluntarily accept to work for a business, your job you do there is being given to the employer in exchange for a pay and if you in anytime disagree or you are unsatisfied with the deal you can leave the job.
But you have no right to take someone else's tools because you think you can put them in better use or some shit like that.
Stop using food that needs feeding, or reduce it as much as possible. There are 56 billion animals killed for food a year and enormous amounts of land are used to produce their feed. Cut out the middle man.
You do realize that the hunger problem is a logistics problem and not a supply problem, right? The problem isn't producing enough food, it's getting that food to hungry people, which is often complicated by distance, lack of infrastructure, and corruption.
Freeing up land in poorer regions which grow food for livestock bring available land for crop production closer to areas which need it, increasing aid is obvious, certain GMO crops grow in hardier conditions making them easier to grow closer to the source...
While I will admit that livestock are an inefficient food source, it's not the poorer regions growing livestock food though. GMO foods have and will continue to help though, but it can only do so much, when there's no logistics network to transport it, and corruption stealing it.
phukka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah dude, forcing the entire world to give up one of the best sources of proteins and then throwing money at the problem will totally fix everything. Always.
Also, we don't really need to switch to level 5 veganism to feed the world.
We have enough food under the current system - we just don't distribute it very well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kill all the people, can't have hungry people if there are no people
instead of being confronted with reality.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:21:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The description of reality is shit though. We produce and ship more than enough food to feed the world. Most huger is either causes by war or by people living far away from a supply line in remote areas. Limiting consumption will do nothing to solve a problem that isn't caused by under supply. The easiest way to solve world hunger is to get people nearer the supply lines. None of what OC provided accomplished that.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
to get people nearer to the supply
How about just provide contraceptives to starving people who keep pumping out children like a machine ando thus increasing poverty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rule14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because even though the sentiment is right. None of the proposed solutions addresses any of the root causes of food insecurity. Namely logistics, regional (in)stability and corruption.
Also the incessantly repeated:
No eating meat = no famine!
Is boring since we already have enough food to feed everyone we just haven't been able to spread production and supply properly yet. due to logistics, regional (in)stability and corruption.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
really all we have to do is stop eating beef and other cattle products. There's plenty enough food on earth to feed everyone, but a large portion of that is fed to cattle to meet american/chinese/brazil population demands
Hanzilol ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you suggest we do with all the cattle the day we stop eating them?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not something where everyone decides one day we will not eat them. It will be a gradual thing and farms will stop forcing them to reproduce to match demand, hence the overall population of cattle will decline
convie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already happening. The percent of people living in extreme poverty on this planet is at an all time low.
The question is if you want to give people more food who breed like creazy. You have to educate people at the same time. You can't just "make" a third world country a first world country. You can't force a process which takes hundreds of years. In my opinion the best we can do is no to exploit them and let them be.
Okay i see your point there. But these are nearly all asian countries and none of these are middle east or african countries. We only fuck up when it comes to these. I mean look at what we have achived in the last 20 decades. Only war and no progress. You could think we are doing something wrong here.
prsnep ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:53:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Birth rates fall as income rises. Income rises as employment shifts from subsistence to manufacturing and from that to services. It'll take time, but it'll work itself out.
prsnep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People forget that a problem that grows exponentially is worse than a problem that doesn't.
Food is gonna have to be free for every one if that ever happens. Even if everyone has a job, theres still disabled people who cant work and cant get support from other people that are constantly starving day in and day out. In the grand scheme of things having a job is a temporary solution to the necessities of human beings.
Ok, I'm comfortable with that. Make food, or at least enough to keep a person alive, free. You can still charge for lobster and caviar and cheese and chocolate, but there's no reason for anyone to starve to death in our world today.
People say that starvation happens because of distribution and poverty. That's true, but both of those things are things that we, the people of the world who are fed, allow to happen. We allow that because ultimately we don't care enough to pay for people not to starve to death, or because it would disrupt our businesses or our power systems to do so. Outside of some temporary and local disasters, every hungry person on Earth is hungry because we allow it. Every modern famine is human-caused.
AP246 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not many realise we've madr good progress on this. Hunger is dropping and food production per capita has never been higher despite population growth.
GMOs are a real blessing, we've made it so that we can take beneficial properties from other crops and use it in whatever we need. The problem is that stupid people have too much of a voice in this world and make it look bad. We've already managed to eliminate some pesticides because we can make plants defend themselves using foreign DNA in a way that can only harm specific types of organisms (think insects and micro organisms that cause disease) and don't have the slightest effect on people or animals.
Don't forget those pesky antiobiotics, they are abused way too much. Seriously, look up MRSA and see how people managed to create a bacteria that resists most antibiotics because of irresponsible use.
Biotechnological advance is our friend but we have to leave it to the people that know what they're doing and not allow everyone to use whatever they want on whatever they want. Signs of the abuse of certain findings are already showing and can rapidly turn the tide in a way we can't turn back.
Source: Studying biotechnology, read plenty on the subject
Edit: Just for the record, antibiotics are a great thing but there is so much abuse that they are starting to become a problem
gmes78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My League of Legends teammates are already working on it.
Overpopulation certainly is a problem. You're right! Also, it's neat that we westerners have our population growth under control. Maybe we should invest more in helping developing countries get to that point as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:49 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then consider stop sending them food. That'll put a dent in their exponential population growth rates.
convie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well when your opinion is "we need to reduce humans" I wouldn't be so quick to call people assholes for questioning it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're working on that. Just got to wait for ww3.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When starving people who cant take care of themselves stop having children, the earth is severely populated, we don't have enough resources for everyone which is why environmental regulation is a thing because else we would consume the entire planet.
The only way to reduce poverty is to make contraceptives easily available in high population low resource places.
IMO, reposts are somewhat fine. They're a way for newer accounts to see older things that they wouldn't otherwise see. The problem is that things are reposted too quickly.
I think what he said is more correct. We can't cure AIDS, we can treat it, as you said. On the other hand, you can't cure HIV. We are looking for a vaccine for HIV in order to cure AIDS and prevent it from spreading and, by the way, you can "cure" (and, with "cure", I don't mean cure but kill the virus before it starts spreading) HIV, meaning that you can prevent contracting AIDS by inhibiting the reproduction of the virus through pharmacological treatment.
What I'm trying to say is more that AIDS is a status, not a disease. You cure HIV, you treat AIDS. All AIDS means is that your CD4 count has fallen below the 200ppm threshold.
The writer uses the wrong terminology, but if you read the article it clearly says the peptides' purpose is associated with reducing the viral load within the bodies of patients with an AIDS-status. The purpose of using patients who have reached AIDS status is because regular patients are typically undetectable and therefore it's hard to gauge the effect of the treatment options. AIDS simply means your CD4 count has reached the compromised threshold, which is recoverable by resuming anti-retroviral medication. HIV is what scientist are attempting to cure. AIDS is a syndrome, an effect caused by HIV, not a disease itself, so it can't be cure. It's very important that this distinction is clear, not just for medical purposes but for stigmatic educational ones.
CSMom74 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV* They can treat AIDS. We're looking for a cure to HIV.
I feel like that's backwards. Once it has moved to AIDS, you're on borrowed time. You can't reverse that. HIV can be treated so it never becomes AIDS. I do agree the cure needs to to be for HIV, but I am referring to these "treat AIDS" part.
mabirm16 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:31:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, AIDS can be reversed. It's simply a status. All you need is to resume viable anti-retrovirals. AIDS simply means your immune system is compromised, not that you're going to die.
Source: I'm HIV positive
wpiman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:53:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated = all labor can be achieved by machines, thus freeing humans to pursue other things, whether it be innovation, sciences, arts, or just personal passions like learning
Luxury = because we have all labor done by machines, we have all the resources of the earth (and then some, but I haven't gotten to the space part, yet) at our disposal. Everyone will have everything they will ever need or want.
Communism = all the means of production are owned by all. The people decide what is produced, rather than business owners or shareholders. We decide how things are done. All class systems are done away with, we are all equal. The state has been dissolved (no government at we know it today).
Truly a paradise to behold.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 21:53:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classless, stateless, moneyless society where everything that can be done by robots is automated, everyone has a high standard of living, no one is discriminated against, and space travel has been achieved.
Obviously I don't expect this to be achieved in my lifetime but it's the end-goal for humanity IMO.
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Cariad_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gekko88 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really wish they would release a version for the elderly now, even if their routes have to be made and saved. My mom doesn't need more than maybe a dozen routes max. I could drive each of them for her, and save them. Then let her go do her own thing.
jcapinc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:15:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it is incredible the potential benefits of this change.
Stuff I was reading about them said one of the challenges was making it able to deal with all driving scenarios. If the routes were limited, that limits the number of potential scenarios. Take for instance just an hold person in small-town driving. The car then just needs a couple of stores, hair dresser, doctor's office, a couple of entertainment centers (movie theater, bar, dance hall, whatever they're into), bus station, airport, and maybe their church. Most in cities only need that as well. I bet a large number of people have similarly limited routes.
rcc737 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bane of our existence are soccer mom's. They seem to believe they can text and drive fine......realirlty is they tend to run people over around here.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No matter how great the tech would be, I'm still 99% sure I wouldn't trust a car driving me on its own.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly this one bothers me. It simply does not compute in my mind how people can hate to drive. It's like someone saying "I can't wait until we run out of oxygen. I'm so sick of breathing every day!"
Yes! I only drive for five hours a week (I assume you're referring to your commute to work) and that's rough enough. I can't even imagine ten. I would love to spend that time being able to sit back and read, play games, watch a show, etc. Self-driving cars will have a bigger impact on free time than most people realize.
jcapinc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
man audiobooks save my life, if I could not use my headset and listen to audiobooks for my one hour one way commute I would have lost my mind years ago.
I completely agree. Though my commute is sometimes closer to two hours each way. When I find a great book, I can almost appreciate having to be on the road. I've probably listened to a thousand books in the last ten years.
At some point in the near future someone is going to invent a machine that mechanically turns carbon dioxide into oxygen.
Edit: yes, I know plants exist. But because of overpopulation, industrialization and deforestation, there is too much carbon dioxide in the air. I am hoping that humanity invents some type of machine that can also do what plants do. Hence the "mechanically."
The problem with that is that it needs power, and that will take energy which might well convert the other way. The best thing to do is to take a leaf out of India's book (ha!) and plant huge forests to re-forest places. If somewhere like Brazil did that, that'd be amazing.
elapid ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make developers plant one tree per bedroom for every house they build.
Young trees are cheap so there probably wouldn't be much opposition and every little helps.
Did a quick google search b/c now i'm curious. It appears there's data pointing both ways. time says that older trees absorb more but that study is from 2014 while in 2016 this site says that young trees absorb more but who knows how reliable that site is. New York State also thinks young trees absorb more but I'm wondering which studies to believe now haha
darez00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the really interesting question is, why older trees would stop absorbing CO2 at the same rates as their younger counterparts? Aren't trees evergrowing? (they're not, but still, isn't an older tree more leave-abundant and therefore have a higher CO2-to-Oxygen production?) Do their leaves stop working or shut off after a certain age? Idk man
that first article said the leaf cover becomes less dense but the tree is so big that it still has more leaf area.
the explanation for less carbon in old trees I had previously heard is that an older tree isn't putting on the same level growth as a younger one. It's growth slows year after year. If it's absorbing the carbon it needs to stick it somewhere so how much carbon it absorbs tied to how much it's going to grow. So if a 10 year old tree is going to add a pound of wood through growth while a 100 year old tree is only going to add a half pound, it's probably the case that older tree is absorbing less than the younger one.
Having said that though, that may not be true based on some of those studies. I've got no idea.
Works great until the trees die & decay thereby releasing all the carbon.
Incubus planted trees to make one of their tours carbon neutral like 15 years ago, the trees all died in a drought after a few years so they didn't accomplish anything by doing that.
We need a way to permanently store the carbon, like planting trees, then cutting down the tree and burying it.
I'm sure you end up with like sawdust and scraps like that which would release the carbon when they decompose but no, ignoring energy input, just cutting it into boards wouldn't release it.
All plant matter is just a typically temporary storage for carbon. That's why a forest such as the amazon is carbon neutral unless it's acreage is expanding - the decomposing fallen trees cancel out the carbon absorption of the trees growing to take the place of fallen trees.
Unless you put it somewhere where it won't reach the air as it decomposes, it's not actually doing anything to emissions. Maybe you could dump yard waste and old paper scraps and stuff like that into an old coal mine and cap the top of it to hold all the methane and carbon underground or weigh it down and drop it in an ocean trench (maybe, not sure how that impacts ocean acidification). Just planting a couple trees and feeling good about yourself doesn't do anything once a developer cuts them down to put in a house, road, etc.
Of course, none of the above ideas are carbon negative until we get to carbon neutral.
Or you could have designated "tree gardens" outside of the city, where the apartment-trees are planted. Nobody said the trees had to be planted nearby.
They should, though. Makes the micro-climate in cities much better and also the city more beautiful. A tree at the other end of the world doesn't help the quality of air and life as much as one next to the street I walk past every day.
Solar or wind. I can imagine an off shore wind powered carbon dioxide converter. Reforesting places is an excellent idea, but with so much being cut down for farming, I just don't think it is feasible on the huge scale required.
If your goal is to create oxygen, then seeding the ocean is the best way.
If you're looking for long term carbon sequestration then old growth forestry is the way to go.
But, honestly, i can't imagine the earth literally getting to a point where depletion of the atmosphere's oxygen is the most pressing issue. (At least, not any time soon. And certainly not before we have the technology to make it a near trivial technological fix).
It's almost definitely going to be too much bad stuff that's the problem, rather than not enough oxygen.
Well - one of the bad stuffs is climate change, which is due to too much carbon dioxide (and methane, etc) in the atmosphere? So I'd assume it was still an issue to try and fix
Actually, the main issue is not really that much in power intake, as the volume of the air you would need to filter through the machine. And that air contains other shit than just CO2. Another issue is that CO2 isnt really on the ground, but rather quite high above, otherwise we would all die :)
Known as a CO2 scrubber, this is a form of geoingineering.
The biggest problem with this, is that when things containing Carbon (like oil) combust in the presence of Oxygen, we get Carbon Dioxide forming and energy is released. In fact we do it BECAUSE energy is released - in order to reverse the process and turn CO2 into Oxygen and Carbon (separately) we need to ADD energy. Like, lots of it - the same amount we released. This is why it isn't feasible right now.
Planting bigass forests is a good start though, sequester the carbon, then use the wood from the forests to build permanent structures.
In responce to your edit, it's important to note that inventing such a machine wouldn't be enough - it would have to be vastly more efficient than plants, and that's the real problem here. I'm pretty sure we can just replicate the chemical processes that occur in plants with modern technology, but planting a tree would be cheaper and more efficient.
Jofarin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting thing I read somewhere that I cannot verify but sounded believable*
We have more trees in the US today than we did 100 years ago.
Jofarin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably true, because 100-200 years ago they used A LOT of wood (steam engine with circular motion was patented 1781). The demand for wood probably declined with oil and coal entering the scene but it probably needed some time regenerating.
So I can think of when reading your comment is how Awsome that would be. For it would lead to making atmosphere on other planets. Fantastic thought you had
Kimmiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually algae produce like 70% of earth's oxygen. The issue is CO2 is raising the temps to quickly so that's killing algae and this more CO2 and less oxygen.
I'm not sure if it's going to be lack of food (when most lands turn into deserts or flood) or lack of air that will kill us first. Probably lack of food.
Look up synthetic photosynthesis. If you live a few more years, this will happen. It might already have happened as I haven't looked in a couple of years.
Came here to say this. Massive carbon sequestration.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a MUCH easier way.
Plant fast-growing trees, cut them down and use them for building stuff. Then re-plant. That way, you're turning CO2 into O2 and wood, using solar energy.
It will be cool if more infrastructures are able to integrate with nature like rooftop garden and stuff that will prob save the time to invent a converter
Something akin to the Moon Landing. I was born in 2000 but everything about that era interests me, and for that to happen is an amazing human achievement. To get a person out onto a celestial body not earth? Fuck yeah science. But I didn't experience it. I never got to watch the televised event. I need something like that to be truly satiated.
So like a Mars Landing that totally doesn't fuck up the planet.
If we wanted to get a human on any planet or body in our solar system we honestly could, it's just a matter of cost and planning. We could probably accelerate the ISS towards a planet, load it up with landers, have supplies ready for it along the way. It's really less about technological ability and more about how much it's going to cost and how long it would take to realize. Also what would be the economic benefit from doing this given our advanced rate of technological development here on earth.
Take all those and for a governmental body to justify the Trillions of dollars that would need to spend spent over many years when most developed nations have trouble budgeting the basic human needs every year, and it's really a no go without massive investment from the private sector.
It's not even trillions though, that's the sad part. If we had used all the money we had spent on Facebook for this, we could have TERRAFORMED mars by now
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh.. you've seen the face of Pluto, of Ceres. Soon you will see the eye of Jupiters great storm, from up close. There has been tonnes of amazing stuff, it just doesn't move ppl the way it used to.
I'm grateful for experiencing all that, truly. And it continues to amaze me every groundbreaking thing this worlds great minds are able to accomplish.
But in terms of awe and wonder, in my eyes nothing will eclipse the moon landing. The original groundbreaking feat of mankind. When we truly understood just what the fuck we could do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:54 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you're wanting are more primitive achievements. Stuff you can touch and see. We still have amazing achievements but most of the time you would need to be an academic to understand why they're amazing. Short of alien contact I don't think there is much humans can do to impress themselves on the scale of the moon landing. A lot of that has to do with the fact that we are all so connected and there is so much going on that you won't find an event so big that it needs to be seen immediately.
I was born in the early 60s so my childhood was filled with moon landing and talk of Mars colonies, and movies like 2001 space odyssey.
50 yrs before the moon landing you took your life into your own hands flying in a biplane. Now 50yrs after the moon landingโฆI donโt think the USA can even get a man into space.
Kinda sucks for us. We don't get to find earthly wonders because they've all been discovered. We don't get to discover or travel space because it is SUPER expensive and not commercialized. Landing on Mars wouldn't be close to the amazement of the Moon Landing. Back when that happened we had never had anything even close to that kind of achievement, now we know that sending a man to Mars is possible. I don't know if we'll have a huge moment akin to anything like those of the past where everybody remembers vividly if it doesn't involve terrorism or violence.
Yesssss.. ever since I've seen the video that the 'head transplant' is going to be attempted, I always thought, dude the body is whats new not the head. So it should be called a body transplant in my eyes.
zangor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's actually a crazy plan to build a smartphone sized probe, strap it to a football-field sized solar sail, and fling it at Proxima as fast as we can. The group behind the idea claims the probe would be able to make it to Proxima in just 20 years, and that they'll be ready to launch in 18. So it's possible there might actually be a fly-by of Proxima in our lifetimes -- still insanely unlikely, but possible.
Mr_Eggs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:54:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlikely that this comment will gilded tho. the data that makes up this comment and this thread will probably be unreadable to future computers or whatever they use by then.
WeRelic ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:22:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it. Humans are good at keeping legacy support for way too long.
Breakthrough Starshot could (optimistically) happen in our lifetimes. We wouldn't hear back from it in that span, but wed get to see if off with a big light show.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:42:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I read it I was like "Wow... something that might actually work."
I used to spend hours reading about nuclear pulse propulsion and thinking about how we'd get there. I never considered that technology could be miniaturized to the point of sending something very small that could also perform all the tasks of what used to take a bus-sized probe.
There would be if manual piloting dumbasses still hog the left lanes. The only way I can see this working during a transitional period is dedicated autonomy lanes that normal drivers can't access.
i was about to comment the same thing, and on long road trips where falling asleep is the biggest danger, flipping a switch to make the worry go away is nice
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some people just like to ride a horse.
It's really the same. The car won against the horse and everyone uses a car now to get to places, no matter if they like horses or not, they don't ride a horse to work. They do it as a hobby in their free time.
So when all cars are only self-driving, people who really like to drive might just do it as a hobby.
I love driving, and I love self driving cars. I suspect that once they prove to be ultra safe transport machines, there will be laws saying anyone born after the year 20xx will not be able to get a drivers license & then wait for those who do have a drivers license to die out and eventually it'll all be completely automated driving everywhere.
I know Google disagrees, but I think there's always going to be a need for steering wheels if you live somewhere rural. It's not always easy to tell where the road ends and the field / forest / whatever begins when you're out in the sticks.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on today's tech - 20 years from now, who knows what a camera/sensor could understand about the surrounding environment. Look at where we've come since 1997, now imagine cars 20 years from today.
I concede that at some point, Elon "The Welfare King" Musk will get his way and my government will legislate away my ability to do something that I enjoy immensely and in no small part defines who I am as an individual. I do not look forward to my own obsolescence and mortality.
nokstar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:06:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biased in favor of something that I've admitted to enjoying and that I feel defines both my adolescence and who I am as a bitter, pragmatic, old man? Yeah, go figure.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:34:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have/do, although I've spent a lot more time on two wheels on a track than four.
If driving is outlawed and relegated it to a hobby-only, then it will gradually fade into obscurity. Again, as someone whose best moments in my life were centered around wrenching on and/or driving internal combustion vehicles (such as rebuilding my first car - that I still own - with my late father before I turned 16 or getting onto the podium at Summit Point in the pouring rain), I don't think I want to be around when driving becomes an antiquated and obsolete niche hobby.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever been a horse show? Compare that to current car culture - or better yet, what car culture was when I was a kid, and you would be depressed about it too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, then - there is where you and I differ. On the road is one of the last great places of my solace and contemplation, and I don't need to be breaking any speed limits to find that. I don't drive to get from point A to point B - I drive because I like it.
I already mentioned rebuilding my PV544 with my (late) father, but I'll throw in another memory that defines me - taking a full "lap of America" on a motorcycle when I retired from my first career. It wasn't about driving fast, it was about the drive.
IMO, it's a bleak and hollow look into the future for my grand kids where they won't be able to enjoy that. All of that will be illegal for them - but instead they will be able to "play vidya" while their car drives them where they want to go.
So create raceways and scenic drives for the who want to drive, with a shit ton of warnings and barriers. No one said you couldn't keep the hobby in designated areas...
No, because then you lose a freedom, imagine if you were protesting and your car was stopped remotely? I agree that it would save lives, I just want it to save lives in a few decades, I don't want to sacrifice my freedoms.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most cars these days could be hacked into not operating. Your fear is already possible.
My car has a wifi hotspot built in - someone with the tools/knowledge could kill my brakes, and force-accelerate my car into a tree.
So a healthy fun area where you can play, just like racetracks already do, isn't good enough and is worth keeping others off of the road and still immobile so you can play with something incredibly dangerous.
Sorry if that seems harsh to you, but to me this just seems selfish. Many people worldwide are unable to drive due to disability, causing many to be unable to work, and unable to care for themselves. Plus being disabled is heavily expensive, often at no fault of those who are disabled.
But your hobby is worth more than their freedom and ability to work, or even just get around for themselves without someone else having to be a driver for them. It is highly debilitating not to be able to drive...
There are two sides to every story of course, but pleasure taking priority over necessity seems a little unreasonable. Sorry.
We might not adopt to it completely, but our grandchildren will. Just like all the technological advancements in the past that could be used to make more money.
I see it becoming the norm, and sports like Formula One and NASCAR will likely become more popular. It's like how cars replaced horses and mostly only enthusiasts and sportspeople use them now.
~20 years and they'll be the majority of road traffic in America and western Europe. Other countries may take longer depending on wealth and population density.
Australia for example i think will take ~50
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:09:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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zjaffee ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:54:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think self driving cars will be a replacement for driving in dense areas before they are in more rural areas. Ride sharing with a self driving car could easily be cheaper than owning your own car.
The majority of over-road traffic is freight. I definitely see freight drivers being laid off for self-driving freight caravans in the next 10-20 years. No person behind the wheel, fewer accidents, and no down-time.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:53:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was an article on /r/futurology (I think) about people stumping self-driving cars by putting weird stickers on stop signs or laying down a line of flour around the car and "trapping" it (because they think they can't cross solid white lines under any circumstances. So yeah, we'll still need human judgement for awhile, but autopilot features for open road driving will be standard on most new cars in 10 years. Some features we would have considered "autopilot" 10 years ago are already basically standard features now (lane-keeping, "smart" cruise control, autonomous collision avoidance, etc.).
Sure, but they're hardly common. Especially in higher density areas.
With the safety benefits (let alone convenience), it's probably more realistic to consider the transition to be akin to something like ABS, rather than parking cameras or headrest tvs.. not to mention, every year we see fewer old cars on the road as cars become more affordable and more disposable.
I think you'll be surprised.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The primary issue is software RnD, and legislation.
The exact things that will result in high uptake rates once it's finally viable.
I mean, ABS /also/ requires relatively high tech sensors for when they were first implemented.
tdt0005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people who drive old cars won't need to any more. People won't even NEED to own cars. People who do, will pimp their car out to make money for them while they are at work. There are so many possibilities. I'm almost more excited to see what impacts it has on our culture than I am for the actual cars themselves. I really hope I live to see it. It's going to be amazing.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:27:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tdt0005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're severely limiting yourself to the possibilities. There is definitely no reason to think it would take 15 minutes for a car to get to your house. They would easily be on call any time. I also think your/others opinions of this will change quite a bit in 20 years.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 14:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Arsid ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:29:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just not possible unless you live in a very rich area.
Plenty of people are still driving cars from 2000-2009. Hell, I have pretty good job (make almost 50k a year) and I'm still driving my 2004 Toyota Camry because there's not a single thing wrong with it and it doesn't look bad at all.
According to this article in 2015, the average age of a car on the road was 11.5 years old. Meaning in 2015, the average car was made in 2004/2005.
It's not possible that in 2017, the average car was made after 2010. Following that pattern, the average car is probably from around 2006/2007.
EDIT: Since /u/nyrol edited his comment, I'm back with more statistics.
Since you're in Canada, you're right that your cars are generally newer. It's harder to find statistics for Canada, but I've got some older studies here that we can see patterns on.
According to this pdf, we can see that over 50% of light vehicles, trucks, and heavy trucks are 6-9 years old or more. If we assume that statistic stays the same (which would be false, more on that later), then we can assume that in 2017, over 50% of cars are from 2011 or older. I have hard time believing that all 50% of those are from exactly 2010 or 2011, especially since if you look at that graph you'll see that a good amount of those are 10 years old or more.
However, we can assume that they're even older. Cars are better made these days, so they last longer. Here's a study from New Zealand that also used data from Canada. You'll see that in 2011, the average age of a car in Canada is 9 years old, and that trend is getting older. So even if that didn't get any higher, the average year of a car today would have it being made at around 2008.
And these are all just average. If the average car is from 2008, you definitely see cars from before that as well on a regular basis.
Yes, Ontario might be more extreme than other parts of Canada, but I doubt your statistics are THAT different.
You all might be asking yourself, holy shit Arsid why do you care so much? The answer is I'm bored at work and I just got really into this for some reason.
So, if the average car is 11.6 years old, doesn't 20 years for self-driving cars to be the majority sound reasonable? 20 years from now, an 11.6-year-old car could be self-driving.
Keep in mind, older cars have a disproportionate effect on the average statistics due to how averages are calculated. And every year the average lifespan of cars decreases. So whilst the old cars stick around, new(ish) cars, somewhat unintuitively, get replaced.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:22:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
where the fuck do you live lmao this is so wrong. God I'm pretty firmly nailed into the middle class and I see 7+ year old cars all the damn time. You must be rich as fuck and sheltered from the world
He probably lives somewhere where they salt the roads when it snows. Unless you take really good care of them as far as washing the underbody they can get destroyed fast. That said I live in Virginia and there's tons of older cars here. Certain models more so than others. The super reliable models (accord, Camry, F-150, civic, etc) I see 10-15 year old ones all the time.
It can't even just be that. I drive a 98 Honda accord and have never once taken it to a car wash or washed it myself. It is still running like a champ. It has ~110k miles on it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya I live extremely close to work (like a 3 minute drive) and bought it 10 years ago with 55k miles on it. I suspect as long as I keep up with regular maintenance and don't wreck it I can make it another 10 years
cgt16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a mechanic I will go ahead and warn you that all that short distance driving will definitely lead to extra carbon build-up in your combustion chambers that needs to be cleaned off probably 1-2 times a year in order to prevent more serious problems down the road. It's not difficult to do, only cost whatever the price of one can of see foam is in your area and about 15 minutes total. I can go further in depth if you would like, but just know that needs to be done with so much short distance travel.
Five years? A car should last at least ten unless you're driving it into the ground. My last truck went 12 years before anything major happened that needed to be fixed.
I love how many downvotes people get for simply stating their observation sometimes lol. I usually only downvote in cases of extreme dickery, and your comment was both on-topic and nice.
I'm saying ~50% country wide in 20 years. The rate will obviously be much lower in many parts of the country. But they will be lower in the parts that have less population density... so it will have a smaller impact on the overall %.
Because we don't have the population density and we're typically very slow to take up on these things. (Pay pass excluded).
Honestly i think the biggest impairment will be that the first waves of self driving cars for the individual market will also be electric cars. And that's going to take a /lot/ longer to take foothold here than the states or western Europe.
Admittedly, 50 years is a raster pessimistic estimate. However with our abysmal track record when it comes to infrastructure i wouldn't be surprised.
Commercial self driving cars and freight will probably only be a few years behind the states though. (And even that's mostly due to the fact that most of the RnD is stateside)
That said, I'm looking forward to being proved wrong :)
20 year they will be common but they are going to be very expensive to maintain and there will be no options for regular people.
You can buy a fully driving functional car for $3-$6k right now. Sure it might have a couple issues. But a self driving car has to have all its systems working at 100%. Right now if you rear view camera breaks you can just ignore it.
Sure, but how many people are still driving cars from the 80s? Or even early 90s?
They're already safer. So I think you'll find that once people get over the psychological hang up of trussing your life on a computer program the uptake will surprise you.
Most of the cars on the road are ~10 years old and every year that number increases as cars get cheaper and cheaper. That's not going to change any time soon and self driving features will become standard sooner than you think.
Your argument is the equivalent of saying "ABS will never be common because of the cost".
ABS is much much much less complicated that Self driving. Exponentially less complicated. If the ABS goes out on a car it still runs. You can retrofit it on a car with non abs for under $400. Its a computer, sensor, and different rotors. No one person is going to be able to tell you how a self driving car works.
You are comparing that to a system that google has been working on since 2009. They still don't have a product for consumers. Google the richest entity ever. Its worth half a trillion dollars. Is still working on this extremely complex system and its some how going to be cheap to maintain just like a regular car.
Its will have to be maintained at a much much higher level than a regular car. It will have all the issues of a regular car plus the entire network of self driving hardware and software.
They are going to be very expensive to maintain and will probably be highly regulated. I wouldn't be surprised if they are only leased out to consumers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd give it 10-15 years in the US and EU. We're already getting cars in the market that self-drive on highways, whilst companies like Google are testing fully automated ones. Testing will be done in a couple years maybe, give it 10 years for people to accept it, and for more people to buy them.
10 years and places like cali will be more than 50% self driving for sure. But it'll take longer for the rest of the country to catch up. Same deal with Europe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, guess I'm viewing things with big city bias.
I'm conflicted with self driving cars. Don't get me wrong, they are way better and would help the world, and there are plenty of times I wish for it. However it's only really better if most cars are self driving, human error will always be the main cause of accidents. But I also like to drive, so I hope there are affordable tracks or something, that would be better than regular driving anyway.
No way it's just 20 years. I think you would need multiple generations of people who knew nothing but self driving cars. Anyone who has manually driven a car is naturally going to be nervous and skeptical of a self driving car. I think you would also need to remove all non self driving cars from the road to make them feel normal and that not something you can do for decades.
The majority of over-road traffic is freight. I definitely see freight drivers being laid off for self-driving freight caravans in the next 10-20 years. No person behind the wheel, fewer accidents, and no down-time.
Well that's not true at all in the places I have to drive. They might be the first to do it but it's going to be a long time before everything is self driving cars.
I'm with you. Set the bar low. All I want is my mass market self-driving car and it to be a requirement for drivers aged 15-21 and 75+ (okay I know that will never happen, but the self-driving cars will in a couple years).
Take a look at cellphones in 10 years, the phone in your pocket right now is almost, if not more powerful than the computer you owned 10 years ago. The rate that technology is progressing is blindingly fast, especially large scale consumer products. 20 is massive, the average desktop computer right now would look like a supercomputer compared to what was available in 97. Any large scale computer based consumer product has made almost unfathomable progress in 20 year, and there is no way it's going to take the same amount of improvement to be capable of driving. It might take over 10, but it will be closer to 10 than to 20.
Edit: a comma here and there
So, with cell phones you're really talking about hardware solutions, whereas with self driving cars, you're talking about software solutions. They aren't very analogous to each other.
The thing about self driving cars is that they will not just need to be able to distinguish people from background. They'll have to tell that, for example, this guy is a police officer not a normal pedestrian. Oh, and he's waving his arms around. How is he waving? Is he waving me or is he waving someone else? Which way is he waving me?
That is really hard. It isn't something that is going to be solved through Moore's Law of computer processing getting better. Right now, there's simply no tech that can solve this problem, and people are working on it, and while there has been progress in the past 10 years, it isn't anywhere near business viable. Facebook can tell that a picture is me and not my wife, but that's a far cry from reading gestures, and that took 10-20 years for people to figure out.
And then, you put that police officer in a heavy downpour where the computer has to identify him with a constantly changing, cluttered, image. And it has to be able to do this as well as a human. Better, in fact for many people to accept it as a thing. And, unless there is a major breakthrough, it just won't happen.
If the incremental changes continue at the current pace, you're looking at 50 years or so until we get level 5 self driving cars that are able to drive in all conditions that human beings can drive in, which will be required for self driving cars to really take off. That's an optimistic timeframe, by the way.
And, for the record, I want self driving cars. The challenges are just very unique and difficult. I fully believe I'll be dead before we have level 5 self driving cars on the road, and that makes me really sad.
How amazing would it be to get up in the morning, put the kids in the self-driving car and program it to deliver them at school? Then car would come home empty. Then use the car to drive you to work and it would bring itself home. Then it would do the same thing to bring everyone home.
MBPyro ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:01:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a fairly young person, I am willing to bet that the first car I purchase with no assisstance from my parents will be both electric and self driving. Not because I have an overt interest in them, which I do, but because they WILL be the norm. There is no denying it. I work in the oil and gas industry and I am not afraid to admit that Tesla is leading the way to a technology that will undoubtedly change the way we manufacture automobiles in 10 years time. Bet.
Owning a personal self driving car won't make much sense. We'll just be driven around by self driving taxis.
88sporty ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my nightmare. I'm actually a huge proponent for fully autonomous vehicles however I am not looking forward to a world of ride share subscriptions and zero personality/customizability.
I guess what I mean to say is that I have vehicles that are very purpose built around my hobbies. If I want to transport two 18' fiberglass kayaks, 6 fishing poles, a rear hitch rack with a 30 gallon cooler, and I want to do it with no top and no doors then I highly doubt the autonomous taxi fleets are going to be able to accommodate me.
This raises a potential unintended consequence that customized vehicles such as this could become unviable.
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if there was a pod you own that you get in, and a taxi comes and wisks your pod to its final location. You can keep your work badge in there or whatever...
wpiman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:51:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends where you are. Not a lot of taxis will want to cruise around ButtFuck, KS waiting for a fare every 3 days...
MIL215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They wouldn't have to though. Just be in a docking station somewhere and then get called by an app or our implanted neuro-transmitter. They are self driving as well.
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never want to see the day that we have flying cars. The amount of people that have difficulty with just forward, back, left and right is scary enough. Add up and down to that and were in for a nightmare situation.
Seriously, a manned mission to mars is great but this could bring enormous benefits to people's happiness, comfort, and safety right now. commute time will stop feeling like time lost. traffic stops being a stress sandwich if you can tune out and read or something while the car inches ahead. if it comes widespread enough, maybe cars start intelligently communicating with each other to make seamless merges and smooth exits, eliminating traffic jams in some areas entirely. dumb accidents are avoided, and if they happen, the car cruises past them instead of clogging up a lane with lookie loos. I can't fucking wait. it makes me wish I'd been born just 20 years later.
I work in a company that is developing software for self driving cars, we are 99% sure google or some large company will have them become mainstream in maximum 5 years.
Yeah I can't wait until they are commonplace. The amount of traffic reduction and avoided accidents will save so much time and money. My only worry is that people or industries might try to hinder their development.
This is my issue - people just are kind of going off the idea that self-driving vehicles will solve all of our problems without thinking critically about it.
Self-driving cars will NOT make public/mass transit obsolete for a plethora of reasons, but most notably a) cost; it's already becoming increasingly difficult for the poor and working classes to afford cars. Adding a new, mandatory technology (self-driving cars make most sense when most people are driving them) will make them unattainable to the average buyer, which is why poor people already rely on public transit. B) how transit works; replacing cars with a different type of car is not going to reduce congestion or traffic volume or make cities cleaner. Getting more people on busses and trains (where it will be easier to implement self-driving technology) reduces those problems quite easily and long-term will be cheaper and more efficient than "everyone buys self-driving cars." Not to mention there hasn't been real evidence presented that self-driving cars will fix traffic issues other than "Elon Musk says so."
You've clearly never worked in private enterprise.
joosier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My car is already self-driving - it has a bit of a learning curve to do it right, though.
misc0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An interesting consequence of self-driving cars if they ever come into existence is that there would be a huge organ donor shortage and a lot more people will die waiting on transplants.
This is because the vast majority of organ donors die in car accidents so, when you remove car accidents from the world you also remove this supply of healthy organs.
So in reality self-driving cars may not actually save that many lives when you account for this. It's interesting the knock-on effects tech progress can have.
People need someone to blame incase something happens. Since there is no driver, the car is responsible for the fatalities or whatnot, therefore is the car manufacturer.
And also there are all of the different rights activists and ofcourse gearheads like myself.
You just solved your first point. Unless any tampering occurs, the responsibility in the case vehicle error is goes to the manufacturer.
At least "gearheads" like you I (somewhat) understand. However, I'm pretty disappointed we have other opposition for safer vehicles; I find that similar to how anti vaccinators refuse to vaccinate because of foolish reasons.
The reason they're taking the responsibilty is because at this point of time they can't afford it. Once scams and major accidents with those cars are gonna become a thing, they will stop.
ws_volt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:32:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People said similar things about cars, and now look.
Major accidents will already be so much more rare with Autonomous Vehicles. Many human factors such as being tired or distracted will no longer increase the chance of accidents, and 360 cameras and reaction speeds will improve safety drastically. Plus, people will still have insurance, so in the case of an actual accident, the costs will be shared among the insurance company and the vehicle manufacturer.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being a massive car nut, and having a passion for driving. I'd be absolutely heartbroken for self driving cars to be mandatory, if it's an option, widely available to those that want it, fine. But I don't want it. For me it's really more than safely getting from point fucking A to point B, when you derive immense pleasure from driving and tooling around on vintage cars, it's a way of life.
I don't think you wont be able to do that, but I think there will be a point in the next 25 years where there are large areas in which only self driving cars are allowed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, I'm fine with sanctioned areas like that. But no one can take away my route whatever, bumfuck, nowhereville pleasure trips you know? ;)
A-fuckin-men. These self driving car enthusiasts will have to peel my F-Type from my cold dead hands. Driving is my therapy, my escape and one of my biggest passions.
Well, it may a way of life for you, but for so many others, it's their cause of death. You get pleasure from driving. I understand. But I can't believe you would risk lives for something you just like to do.
I saw that. What I want to know is how tech companies are so sure that the technology will be reliable. The road tests that have been performed have been very impressive, but we don't know how the hardware and software will hold up over a long period or time. We don't know how hack-proof the software will be. We don't know how good the software will work in smaller cities.
There's a lot we still don't know, but Silicon Valley is in a rush to implement autonomous driving. That makes me suspicious. What I really want is for the push for self-driving cars to slow down (not stop completely) and for us to think about the consequences - intended and unintended - before we get into too much of a rush to make such a disruptive change.
Like cars nowadays, the cars will perform self diagnostics to ensure all hardware and software are fully functional and up to date. Just like normal computers, we will have computer engineers and more bots upping the strength of firewalls and such constantly. We can simply test the performance of AVs in all necessary environments.
What do we still need to know? We have the infrastructure and technical knowledge to have cars drive better than a human can, and why should we stall development? What do we have to be suspicious about?
Like cars nowadays, the cars will perform self diagnostics to ensure all hardware and software are fully functional and up to date. Just like normal computers, we will have computer engineers and more bots upping the strength of firewalls and such constantly. We can simply test the performance of AVs in all necessary environments.
Still seems a bit optimistic. All the updates in the world aren't going to save you if you're traveling down the interstate at 70 mph and experience a sudden, catastrophic system error. How do we know the software is going to be reliable over a long period of time?
As for hacking, aren't we seeing a spate of hacks happening nowadays? We were in such a hurry to connect anything and everything to the internet, and now we're dealing with stuff like this: https://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-warns-car-hacking-real-risk/
Tech people can talk about how much they're working on the problem - and I have no doubt that they are - but the truth is that hacking is a major problem these days that isn't fully being addressed. If it was, we'd have more of a handle on how to prevent hackers from releasing movies/TV shows before their time, or foreign powers accessing infrastructural systems.
We have the infrastructure and technical knowledge to have cars drive better than a human can, and why should we stall development? What do we have to be suspicious about?
The speed at which this change is happening before we're sure of all the consequences of what we're doing. Why do we need to be in such a rush to implement this technology for everyday use? Why can't we just work to make sure that more people are better drivers (and when did we get the idea that humans were so helpless and dumb that we had to allow technology to solve all our problems)?
More importantly, why can't this technology withstand legitimate concerns being voiced by people like me (I'm definitely not the only one)? If self-driving cars are so self-evidently wonderful, why dismiss anyone who doesn't display worshipful adulation as "Luddite", or wanting people to die? Why are they in such a rush to implement such disruptive technology?
I know I wrote a lot of words in response to your post.
Bottom line? I can't speak for everyone who is skeptical; just me:
I want to be heard. I don't want to be condescended to, insulted, or glossed over because I'm not jumping on whatever bandwagon Silicon Valley has decided is best for us this week. I don't expect people to agree with me; I just want to know that people are listening and understanding the concerns that I have.
I want to know that we're properly vetting new things. I don't want to stand in the way of "progress", but I don't want to see us fall for blind innovation either.
I want to have a choice. I resent the way in which Elon Musk and others are talking about outlawing human drivers in the future, forcing us to use autonomous cars for transportation. That comes across to me as paternalistic and more than a little condescending.
I want us to slow down. It seems that we're jumping into autonomous driving without knowing all the facts. We seem to be taking Silicon Valley at its word without questioning them too much. Let's see if we can create better drivers before we implement costly and disruptive technological solutions.
I'm not a misunderstood genius who's so much smarter than everyone else. I'm just a guy who wants what is best for all of us. Self-driving cars may be what's best someday, but I don't think the technology - or society itself - is ready for it now.
I am terrified of the prospect of self driving cars. Imagine how much easier it will be to kill or kidnap someone, especially if there is no manual override. Current computer security won't be able to stand up to quantum computers. Quantum Computing Potential
Edit: Grammar
After watching the movie Logan, I'm less hyped about self driving cars cause that mean millions of truckers will be out of work. Also those things were crazy scary how they just wouldn't stop on the highway....
So my interpretation of this guys comment...is that he's really old or really sick and pretty close to dying, considering how close we are to self driving cars :(
JabTrill ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 14:09:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can say they were "idealized conditions" all you want, but it was still 26.2 miles and barely missed it by 24 seconds. If he had cut less than a second off each mile, that's sub 2. Maybe it wouldn't be OFFICIALLY counted, but it shows its possible
Under highly idealized conditions I went from a 1:15 half marathon to a 1:10 half marathon a few weeks between the two races. As ridiculous as that still sounds to myself, I still went that fast, that far.
I'd say give it 20-25 years. Someone is going to do sub 2:01 within the next 15 years and that will probably stand for a good 10 years before someone finally goes below 2
I think most people who are making technological suggestions are just being more reasonable.
Mars and reliable renewable energy (as examples) are perfectly possible technologically. It's just politics that's holding us back.
Ftl travel is /literally/ a likely impossibility... not just a "nah that's impossible" that'll get proven wrong in 5000 years, but litterally breaking the laws of the universe.
Very true, I was more suggesting that I think the idea is more fun. Also, I think warping spacetime might be the way of getting around those pesky laws if my understanding is correct.
General relativity says that spacetime is getting "warped" all the time. Except by achieving faster than light speed travel, the universe compensates by slowing everything down.
Near light speed travel would be pretty cool. It could make journeys feel shorter and you age less.
The universe expands faster then the speed of light at its greatest reaches. If we eclipsed the speed of light, you're saying it would slow to an infinitesimal moment of time? I don't understand the mechanics of that.
I don't know about the expansion of the Universe, but it's certainly theorised to happen at the event horizon of a black hole. Time is slowed so much as an object falls into a black hole that an external observer would never actually see it enter. Time would pass so slowly it would appear frozen at the event horizon and the image would slowly fade away.
So you've melted a bit of my brain juice, but in the opposite direction. Great. Thanks.
Now I'm wondering that if you ever broke the universal speed limit would any speed then be possible? Meaning, if you tell me I can't go over 100mph, but then I learned how and realized there was no limit to my speed. Teleportation.
The reason we can't accelerate things past c is to do with E=Mc2, IIRC. The faster you get something going, the more kinetic energy it has, and it starts converting some of that energy into more mass. So it's kinetic energy stays the same, but it's lost velocity in favour of mass. That's why we quote "rest mass" figures for subatomic particles. To get it back up to its previous velocity you need to provide more energy. In the end, to get something up to c, you'd need an infinite amount of energy to give it, and you'd end up with something of infinite mass too.
warping or not, if you can travel faster than light, then you can also travel backward in time using two travels and then you know all those time travel paradoxes are let loose.
It's not completely impossible, but it is utterly, insanely improbable. The most efficient and easiest to construct FTL drive people have come up with would take a glob of material which we aren't even sure exists which is about the mass of Jupiter.
The problem with saying things are impossible and insanely improbable is that all we have to do is think back a few hundred years. And to make it even more impressive a thousand. Then from that standpoint realise how many impossible things become possible when you find new things in a system or new systems you hadn't discovered before.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:33:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a big AI nerd, the stuff that's happening TODAY wasn't even a possibility 5 years ago. We've gone from ~100 ( artificial neurons ) to 1 billion.
And it's all from video games! ( The GPUs in modern graphics cards have ~2000 cores each and that massive concurrency is hugely valuable for scientific research ).
But nothing people have done has broken the laws of physics. They've discovered them but not bypassed them. We still are bound to gravity, thermodynamics, etc.
All we really need is something unexpected to be discovered. Some nook or cranny. Like how Newtonian law's work well for earth, not so well for space. Then you can use that knowledge in incredibly many ways, eventually creating the possibility of doing something new once considered impossible.
Science is relatively new for us, lots of time for it yet to be proven flawed.
And unless you don't consider gravity a law of physics. Well, I don't see how you can say nothing has ever broken the laws of physics, and even if you do, you'd at least have to admit they were superseded and thus flawed. Flaws that may lead to the potential opportunity to break past what was thought to be the prior limit.
Of course, if your argument was going to be that no one has broken the actual unknown laws of physics you'd be pedantic to the point I've wasted this bit of time.
That wasn't a law of physics, it predated science anyway (even Columbus knew the world was round). Laws aren't considered laws until they've stood the test of time. For instance, the "ultraviolet catastrophe" was still a theory. The quantum mechanical explanation that replaced it has stood up to every test for almost 100 yrs.
I'll give you that, I was going for low hanging fruit anyways.
I'm thinking more along the lines of how non-Euclidean Geometry was considered impossible for hundreds years only to be figured out in the 1800s. Relativity hasn't been around for 200 years so it's safe to say it may indeed be incorrect. And yes, I'm aware it's a theory not a law, but that's just semantics unless you're willing to accept it has a fair shot of being incorrect.
I'm not really sure of anything on that front, but my impression would be time travel through faster than light travel. Would only affect your local area of time that is, in fact, travelling faster than light, Rather than the entire world around you. And would probably just split you apart.
If you know anything about the subject I'd be happy to learn though, I've always been confused when it comes to that part and never really looked into it myself. However, for me, it seems ridiculous to suggest that something travelling faster than light somehow affects the entire universe by turning time back.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm probably wrong, but wasn't there some discussion about using the Casmir effect in some way?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, at the moment, this is still unproven speculation.
None the less, I must add, since I didn't before, there are plenty of ways to get around the universe without FTL drives. If we manage to cure aging, FTL drives won't be needed at all. This is where my hope lies.
You should check out Issac Arthur on YouTube. He has some cool videos on hard science space stuff.
I'm already a huge fan of his channel, believe it or not. And yeah, thinking FTL is the only way to perform effective interstellar travel is slightly naive.
Curing aging is the solution? I don't think anyone would want to spend 10,000 years awake on a spaceship. Maybe if we could hibernate, merge with robotics or send people in embryo form.
iHoffs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this sounds like a way to do it if we solve aging. But the other problems would probably arise even if we could solve aging. Like lack of food or similar while in hibernation.
That's the size of the mass energy, i.e. 100% of the energy from that mass would need to be utilized. This would mean that the actual drive would need to still be an incredible size, and that's not to mention all of the normal energy needed.
I know all that, I'm just saying there might be ways around it that we haven't thought of yet. Relativity is crazy complicated and kinda rapes your concept of time, especially if you start going into weird metaphysical bullshit like relativity of simultaneity, which (if all our stuff is correct so far) is an actual thing that would happen. Maybe there's a loophole, like, what if nothing actually would move FTL, but in effect you would get your stuff somewhere else faster than light anyway?
everyone says it's unrealistic, but if we make a true AI then we can have it research for us and discover what would take us thousands of years in maybe a few years. So yah, at current HUMAN research speeds ftl or alcubier drives are fucking leagues away. But you get a computer that can think and research? Who knows how fast this shit can develop.
Human brain is currently more powerful than all the supercomputers in the world. The issue is, our brains information input is severely restricted. If this detriment could be broken, research would get sped up exponentially. Check out how much faster research in general became when internet and information sharing moved over from physical libraries.
Oh absolutely, however I'm thinking the importance could come from a computers ability to identify and bring up information. A human has to study, a computer doesn't. It could gain the knowledge of any PHD grad in any field in a matter of minutes and be able to recall all of that information flawlessly. If that computer could also think abstractly and design experiments based on current knowledge to make and test hypotheses it could do it more efficiently than any human even with the advent of the internet and digital libraries.
Neikius ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should be higher. Options are just plain unlimited by true nanotech. Self-building/repairing materials, intelligent medication... the options just boggle my mind (if ever realized).
Research is happening but even that there's not much of. It's basically not being worked on at all. There's Zettl's group at UC Berkeley that might be getting somewhere, there's the recent Nobel Prize that was given for molecular machines but that's pretty much it. Everything else is just a bunch of material science.
Folks like Robert Freitas, J. Storrs Hall, Ralph Merkle, et al. are all great thinkers but they aren't making anything. The father of nanotechnology, K. Eric Drexler, insists that there are no real technological hurdles left to get to a primitive first generation assembler it's just that (like you say) it's not unified and it's not directed together as a single research program. But that's just another way of saying what I'm saying which is that no one is working on it.
A friend of mine says that given an accident at a conference it could essentially end any hope of progress into nanotechnology (APM, MM, etc.) in our lifetimes.
Hey, you seem to be right, I was basing my claims on Radical Abundance (2013) but it appears that since then, for three years, not much has changed. I couldn't find info on the accident, can you share a link?
funny, the more I think about it the more it appears to be a matter of publicity over science. One successful application of APM, one mass press coverage โ and in two years every major company will jump on board or go out of business. Why isn't Amazon investing it APM, they could make all the things instead of being mostly the middleman.
Definitely there's some publicity problems. I largely blame Smalley for that. Bill Joy gets some blame too. It's a similar conundrum to the one about cryonics. If you make the main idea seem silly or the chief proponents of it seem weird or foolish then academics looking for funding and credibility will shy away. They may even throw some shade at it just to look cool in front of other pooh-poohers.
If you haven't read the nanotechnology roadmap that came out a few years back from Battelle I'd highly recommend it. I think it gave a fairly clear set of intermediate goals and expectations that a real dedication to achieving an assembler breakthrough would deliver. Right now the challenge is getting knowledgeable people informed and involved and on board with a plan.
Something like the group that Elon Musk gathered around him for Neuralink but instead dedicated to APM.
I remember Tim Urban changed my deeply-entrenched skepticism about cryonics in one article and nanotech took one book to switch from "small robots" to APM in my head. Public opinion dictates the agenda which is a frankly ridiculous way to go about progress.
I haven't read the roadmap, will do certainly, thanks for the reference.
On the flip side of this there's a lot of room for defense too. A sufficiently motivated society could use real nanotechnology to create a diamondoid (or some similarly tough compound) shield that could protect a whole city from even the biggest nuclear weapons ever made by man. Thereby effectively ending the nuclear threat using a relatively unsophisticated application.
Biological, chemical, and conventional weapons we fear today could also become essentially useless in a nanotech world.
came here to say this and it's closer to reality than most people think. Read anything by K. Eric Drexler, like Radical Abundance. He spends half of the book describing an entirely ahieveable plan to complete the transition to APM (atomicallly precise manufacturing) and the other half on potential implications. all of which are so fantastic my knees get weak when I try to comprehend it all. Like making a car in under a minute, fixing cancer cells, making ultra-light planes, ultra-efficient solar panels, perfected protein engineering and organic synthesis. the future is bright, BJ.
That would require that making money improves things for other people and the environmet. Currently, the opposite is the case.
Beeing poor, a much higher percentage of your income gets spent, improving the economy and you usually have a smaller ecologic footprint, fucking the planet up less.
I wouldn't call buying food, affording healthcare, transportation or renting an appartment an investment, more like necessary spending and consumption. Can't invest if you have no money...you can only loan. Wich will make you spend even more to pay it back while only creating "job opportunities" for algorithms nobody understands anymore until you do so. That's not economy, that's bullshit designed to make wealthy people more wealthy while creating more poverty.
Give a multi-millionaire a million, he will put it into his bank account. Give 1000 poor people 1000$ and they will spend it.
Also, I'm curious, how the hell does money tied up in assets on a computer help the actual economy more than spending the same amount of money in retail or for services?
Also, I'm curious, how the hell does money tied up in assets on a computer help the actual economy more than spending the same amount of money in retail or for services?
because money that is saved is invested. Do you think that it would be better for you financially to spend all of your money as soon as it comes in, or invest as much of it as you can? Which one of those will make you wealthier?
The principal is the same in the broader economy. It takes massive investment to create renewable energy or invent new infrastructure like the Hyperloop. Those investments come from everyday people putting their money away rather than spending it on consumer goods. Before anyone can consume anything the technology to make that stuff needs to be invented, made, and deployed.
It's like mocking poor people why they don't have a private pension. You simply cannot save what is not there. Also, money spent makes corporations more profit...part of wich they will invest in research, advancing technology...more or less.
Making the wealth inequallity smaller, tends to benefit society and technologic advancement more than trickle-down economics that doesn't seem to work at all. Contrary to what your comment implies, a higher percentage of money invested will not translate to advancements benefiting human kind as much as even corporate profits (let alone a working social-, healthcare- and educational system) do. It's nice that there are some obscenely wealthy people that actually try to actively advance humanity, but just imagine what kind of progress could be possible if everyone had access to MIT levels of education, were covered by healthcare and didn't have to work a job he hates because there is no alternative or working social system. Progress should not be left to the generosity and vision of a few, but be a collective effort by society as a whole.
I'm not advocating for communism/socialism here, but upper and lower bounds. Nobody should have to choose between dieing/life in misery or massive debt and nobody should be able to afford a 10+ million home to live in. Both suck. One, for the individual, the other for everyone else. A bigger, wealthier middle class is what makes a country greater while bigger inequally universally leads to it beeing worse. This is where taxation comes into play. Stuff like lots of money earned through investment beeing taxed at a lower rate than money earned by a cashier working full time. It is unjust and promotes inequallity.
And yes, that middle class can invest some of their earnings, but not even close to the same degree someone well off can. If you have enough money so your "money works for you", you have too much money that could be put to better use somewhere else. I don't want fusion to remain 30 years away when I die while floods and drought force mass migrations and leave my (potential) childen a fucked planet. A thriving financial sector and obscenely rich people will not change this future we're headed at. Education financed by taxreforms might.
Telepathy. Perfect empathy. I want to see what happens when people confuse their emotions with those of others.
I want to see humanity suffer the worst existential crisis of its history. I want us to get better because of it.
While it does not directly address your idea, the outcome might be closer to what happens in the book Beautiful You. As a heads up, the author -- Chuck Palahniuk -- is best known for Fight Club. Beautiful You is a vicious book, but I won't spoil it for you by describing the plot.
I can't wait for it to be illegal to avoid vaccinating your children (for any reason other than documented medical exemption) in every country across the globe.
Not vaccinating your kids should be punishable by law.
Edit: I just want to emphasise that I did include medical exemptions in my comment. Obviously some children have immuno-deficiency and other such issues which mean vaccinations would be deadly. I'm absolutely not saying those parents should get locked away. My point is directed at people who wilfully refuse to vaccinate their kids on the grounds of reading a few questionable articles online, and ignoring medical advice because they believe some crackpot theory about vaccinations causing autism. It's akin to denying your child modern medicine and instead treating their cancer with turmeric.
Fun fact: my wife's masseuse this weekend was complaining because her kid was sick and the doctor wouldn't see her because she refused to get her vaccinated. So yeah the kid keeps suffering because the mom decided to put her on another seaweed cleanse instead of real fucking medicine.
Then she said that my wife should detox her armpits. That's the second time I've heard of detoxing armpits this week.
The only way I could see that working is if the substance burns you so bad that it destroys the glands in your armpits, in which case you'd eventually be odor free after the massive scarring takes place... Maybe?
No real risk there. It's just the armpits and we have technology on our side. Modern miracles like bottles to carry water, chemicals to treat water so it doesn't kill us, and clothing more advanced than animal skins.
If I'm doing something where sweating cools me down enough to save my life, not sweating from under my arms is the least of my problems.
See, in my eyes that's straight up abuse through wilfully neglecting your child and putting them and people around them at risk of getting incredibly sick through preventable diseases that have taken a long time to eradicate.
Refuse to get your child seen by a medical professional and instead opt for homeopathic remedies and quack medicine? Abuse.
Refuse to vaccinate your kids and insist on natural remedies and wilfully ignoring a wealth of free, scientifically supported information for quack theories? Abuse.
Also almost all vaccines required today have been around for decades. There's a ton of data. We've seen people go into adulthood with them. They are really safe.
It is. It's called medical neglect. It is already a thing parents are not allowed to do. Unfortunately, DCFS is so disgustingly overworked and underfunded (got a buy those bombs!) That they wouldn't looking to the CASE unless the child died and there were remaining children in the home. It's very sad that the agency we task with protecting our children has been allowed to devolve into the state that it's in.
If someone were to kidnap a child, vaccinate them, and promptly return them (Like 2 minute abduction in a white unmarked van) would they be a hero or a villain?
Give the kid a sucker once they're out of the vaccine van for good measure.
He is under no obligation to treat anyone that comes to his practice. It is his discretion, just like any other business. I wouldn't want unvaccinated people around me either.
A doctor isn't really a business though... that's when things start getting shady, "oh you haven't gotten the flu vaccine, I'm not treating you." This could lead to more harm than good. Perhaps the doctor could use to time to better educate.
Becoming a doctor is not something you should consider if you have personal vendettas against a group of people. You take the job to save people. The problem now is that it is a profession that is used to make money now, and because of this is now looked at as a business instead of what it actually is.
What if the doctor has a lot of high-risk patients, like elderly or infants? It would be necessary to turn away anti-vaxxers if they'd likely get your other patients sick.
I mean it is a business. Not every private practice in the world should be required to take all patients. These people who aren't vaccinated could have a whole slew of problems due to that fact, and it may not be worth dealing with. Also, there is a very real risk of those patients bringing diseases into a clinic where you could have elderly or very young people susceptible to them.
There's a reason kids without vaccines can't go to public schools.
The parent has already refused the doctor's advice/treatment. All the doctor is saying is that if the parent refuses to take the medical advice/treatment, why should he bother to treat them, especially if it endangers patients willing to follow his medical advice?
One problem with that: by the time there's an outbreak, it's probably too late for you.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:12:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see that you have very strong feelings about this issue. The majority of Reddit is right there with you. But many people on Reddit also seem to think that having children, or Hellspawn, is downright awful, and a burden that should be avoided.
Do you have children? Do you know what it's like to make those kinds of decisions for another human life? I'm guessing not, but I may be wrong.
As a parent, vaccines do scare the crap out of me. But so do preventable diseases. As a result my family cautiously vaxxes. Only One at a time, spread out over a longer period of time. The number of vaccines has greatly increased, and many times the medical guidelines result in multiple shots at once.
Now, who knows what the 'cocktail' might do to your child. Everyone reacts differently to different substances, yeah? Not to mention the trauma you are subjecting your child to when they are jabbed multiple times by strangers in a strange room. PTSD anyone?
Locking people up, or punishing them in some way isn't going to fix a fucking thing, it's just going to make people angry, and less likely to trust their medical professionals. More scientific research is needed, and it needs to be available for the public to observe for themselves. The "research" I have witnessed is still a bit questionable, and I certainly do not like it when the fucking CDC hides and does not disclose data found that is not favorable to a vaccines safety.
I know I'm in the minority here. I know I'll get downvoted into oblivion. But I just needed to say it. I DO vaccinate my kids. I DON'T appreciate being FORCED to do anything. Especially when it involves potential harm to my children.
I think people need to calm down about the issue a bit, and try to have an open mind.
-Jensen- ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why on earth do vaccines scare you? You are choosing to be scared about it, there is nothing scary or harmful about them, you are just buying some pop paranoia about the "cocktail" as a justifications. Also trauma or PTSD because of the injection? Are you joking? Really?. You care enough to acknowledge the doctor when he tells you that vaccines are needed to prevent your child getting sick, but you choose to disregard when he tells you that there is nothing scary or harmful on them.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thankfully our doctor is not an asshole. He understands our concerns and doesn't try to force anything on us. He answers our questions to the best of his knowledge. They give us pamphlets about the vaccines that are on the schedule.
We have done our research with an open mind. Have you? Your comment seems extremely one sided. Do you have children? I don't really think that anyone without a child has any idea what it's like. What it's like to see your child go into absolute hysterics because they have been pinned down, and stuck multiple times by a bunch of strangers. It is 100% without a doubt, fucking traumatizing, for child and parent.
Good for your doctor for understanding and trying to explain, but that changes nothing, and the fact that ypu claim you have done your research but still think vaccines are something to ne that concerned about means you still trust dubious articles with pseudo-science, badly quoted reaserch and wrong interpretations. Don't get me wrong, i celebrate the fact that you are concerned about your child's well being, the fact that you are willing to listen to doctors and science, and most above all, that you still vaccinate your child. That speaks volumes. By no means do I think you are evil or stupid. I also think a lot of people didn't liked vaccines when they were a child, amd I've seen plenty do a big deal about it, but when you grow up you realise it was a dumb fear, like those children have and they will thank you for putting them through it. Treat it like an exercise to build tolerance to doing things we dont like but still have to do, which is a big leason.
The doctor wouldn't see the kid? That's pretty messed up if true, even if the kid is unvaccinated treat the symptoms and use the opportunity to attempt to educate the mom.
But I am sure more likely she never took the kid to the doctor.
That's what the lady told my wife, but I'm pretty sure parts of it were a bit untrue. My wife said she was a bit flaky, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she just didn't take the kid to the doctor because the doctor tried to educate her outside her holistic comfort zone.
That's what the lady told my wife, but I'm pretty sure parts of it were a bit untrue. My wife said she was a bit flaky, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she just didn't take the kid to the doctor because the doctor tried to educate her outside her holistic comfort zone.
Guidelines are generally written based on the best available repeatedly validated information, though occasionally a single significant enough (P<0.00001, I believe) study can cause changes.
In any case, all current guidelines do not support this position. For one thing, legitimately immunocompromised patients are at risk from every single person on the planet.
Arguably the most dangerous commonly vaccinated pediatric disease, pertussis (whooping cough, closes the throat of the child) lives in the throat of everyone who's ever been exposed... vaccinated or not. This is because unlike nearly every other pathogenic bacteria it lives on our mucosal surfaces and not inside our body (the entire alimentary tract is actually an external surface, which is why it is covered by epithelium and not endothelium).
We can't use flu, the other really really dangerous one for kids, as an excuse because the vaccine is barely 50% effective, some years isn't effective at all due to unexpected genetic shifts, and the virus is going to be all over public spaces during flu season (that's a big reason why we want everyone to be vaccinated... it's everywhere and if you do actually get it and you're really young or old you have a very real chance, though death can happen regardless of age) so we aren't exactly providing any protection beyond the very, very standard sick waiting room and well waiting room separation that every conscientious pediatric practice has.
This denial of service is currently unjustifiable from a scientific perspective, and that makes it an emotional decision.. a type of decision which we are expressly supposed to avoid making as physicians.
We are supposed to be data-driven. Just because people want to make excuses for their behavior that sound legitimate on the surface but can't be backed up with hard science doesn't make it any less an excuse.
That child is more likely to be harmed by denial of service than anyone in that office is likely to be harmed by the family's vaccine noncompliance. That's a fact.
Still though. This person's decision is putting other people at risk without their consent. I would say if a doctor's office wants to treat unvaccinated kids then they should have to inform all the other patients before hand and they would probably have to sign a waiver form so the office doesn't get sued. Maybe it's not the most data driven but about liability instead.
I'm incredibly strongly pro-vaccine, but I am not ok with denying care without just cause.
These people don't walk around with blue and red flashing lights that spell "I don't get vaccinated." A single person in a practice at any one time is medically irrelevant, it's the population percentages that matter for herd immunity.
It's not to punish anyone for not having vaccinated their kid. It is for the safety of the other patients. The doctor's office is full of people who are being treated for all sorts of things - some of them have compromised immune systems. The last thing they want to do is bring someone into the waiting room who may have chickenpox or measles.
[deleted] ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 13:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBH i'd rather we arrive at a time where everyone is educated enough to make the rational decision.
Timwi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:36:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-vax movements aren't simply due to a lack of education. They are the result of complex political, societal and cognitive factors that affect everybody on both sides. It's a hard problem and we have no obvious solution to it.
No its literally due to not being educated enough to trust the actual 99% of doctors who say that you absolutely should be vaccinating. Nothing sociopolitical about it. Anti-vaxxers are literally afraid of modern medicine for no reason other than their weird metaphysical issues and their fear of autism, which isnt even that bad and comes with a lot of extra care and resources on its own from schools and public institutions. Peoples children have actually died because of antivaxxers. Do not make excuses for them. The obvious solution is educating and making it illegal.
Foxehh2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No its literally due to not being educated enough to trust the actual 99% of doctors who say that you absolutely should be vaccinating. Nothing sociopolitical about it.
Whilst that would definitely be preferable, I can't help but worry about the impact of the rise of anti-vax mentality that could cause diseases like measles to become widespread again, which is pretty terrifying. If making anti-vaxxing illegal is what it takes to keep widespread disease in check, that may be our only choice at this point...
Sorry if I'm misreading but are you saying that we don't offer the same level of treatment to anti-vaxxers? Surely that would have an impact on herd immunity.
My comment was very cynical and purposefully harsh towards anti-vaxxers. The vengeful person in me would love to say "You don't vax (help) your kids, we don't help you." But that would mean a kid could lose their parents, and the parent could even lose the opportunity to have their eyes open on their view of modern medicine. And of course your point on herd immunity.
Ultimately however, a complete lack of medical support for this group would drive down the average age, and in turn weed them out. So give it a few decades, we may see them come to senses or dissipate.
I know that. I actually work in an organic food store, I see all of the nuts in person on a day to day basis.
Here's the thing: I say if they want natural selection to run rampant, let it take them. Most of these whack jobs eventually "give in" to taking antibiotics, or being vaccinated, once they realize their life is in danger.
It's ridiculous seeing the mental state of some of these people.
Now, I'm not a huge fan of people who refuse to be skeptical at all about modern medicine. Even if it is perfectly fine, such an attitude denotes scientific discussion and improvement on methods used. But the grey, as you call them, are radical fools.
The problem is they fuck with herd immunity. There are people who cannot get vaccinations or have and their immune systems have been wiped out. We need to protect those people. Letting it run rampant hurts people who would be vaccinated under different circumstances.
You are not wrong. And come to think of it, it would be bad to deny the parents medical care because then these viruses would be free to mutate.
It wasn't a bad idea, you ask me.. I was thinking more on the "save medical attention for those who appreciate it" side of things... but I see now I was wrong.
If it was as easy as throw the parents under the bus and let them rot, I'd be all for it. We need to educate and maybe even mandate these vaccinations like other countries have done.
The kids of those parents deserve vaccinations too. I get sick when parents only get a wake-up call when their kids have suffered or died from a completely preventable disease. The parents are likely vaccinated themselves so it's a selfish action not to give their kids the same.
As much as I despise government regulation in most forms, this may be one of the exceptions
I think a major issue is the fact that the education about vaccination currently in place is not adequate.
People blame the unknown when things go wrong, especially when they think they see correlation. Skyrocketing cancer rates? Plethoras of mental health issues in recent years, especially in young people? Why, it must be those mystery shots they gave my babies.
On an animal level I can see where they are coming from. On a thinking, scientific level, I am disgusted.
It appalls me when I see people asking basic questions about what goes into a vaccination being shamed and treated like idiots. To us, it's obvious why everyone should be protected. We need to explain to them (with actual evidence, like published papers and findings) what goes into the vaccinations, and why they aren't harmful.
Saying "it duzznt coz ottism, dur" (which, while true, I see a lot on this website) is no way to get everyone involved and on the same level. It also denotes scientific discussion and improvement in the medical field.
Thank you for the taking the time to talk some sense into me, by the way.
I agree with you in that we should make efforts to actually explain to people what goes into vaccinations and to provide supporting papers and studies.
That being said I think the "it duzznt coz ottism, dur" responses that people are for two broad different reasons. The first being that it's just incomprehensible to them that someone could actually be that stupid. It's the same way you normally don't bother to argue with kids about about seemingly obvious things because it's not worth your time.
The people in those situations need to do what you suggested above rather than ridiculing the person asking questions. However, it can be difficult to actually want to do that because of the second reason: the people asking the questions don't want to learn. They're not everywhere but there are the kinds of people who will just cover their ears and scream that you're wrong no matter how much evidence show them to support vaccinations. I've encountered these people a few times and it is truly one of the most infuriating things ever. Coming into contact with them leaves a real bitter taste in your mouth and leaves you more likely to lump anyone asking questions about vaccines into the same category. It's these people that I truly wish we could just throw under the bus but like this comment chain has shown that's not really the best idea.
Trust me: I know EXACTLY how insufferably ignorant the anti-vaxxers can be. Like I've said in previous comments, I'm exposed to them everyday at my job in an organic grocery. There are many who have no chance of learning otherwise, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. It's important that we make an effort regardless, because of what is at stake.
There are also many who are simply unsure and confused. I have personally convinced more than a few people of the safety after dispelling the belief that a vaccine is a "mystery shot". These people are worth educating, even if we cannot convince everyone.
Jaegster ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jaegster ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're possibly taking a life by defying them medical care that they need. That's murder bub. It makes you just as bad as the parents.
Alvezzi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Like believing people should be forced to vaccinate themselves and their children?
Vonmule ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 13:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me preface by saying that I am absolutely pro vaccination. However, I can also see a potentially dangerous outcome of requiring vaccinations through legislation and I think to ignore it would be foolish.
Vaccinations as we know them are safe, yes, but who can say with certainty that they will continue to be. Add in the fact that the FDA has been known on occasion to rush the drug approval process at the expense of safety as well as the drug industry's propensity for lobbying and political pocket lining. Now you have a recipe for citizens forced to use medicine that could have significant potential for negative health effects all in the name of monetary gain.
I think legislation forcing people to use any medication sets a potentially dangerous precedent. I feel that a better route would be legislation that protects the right to deny those who haven't been vaccinated.
I agree that it is a risky precedent however personally I would say that at this stage the risk is outweighed by the reward. Especially when the problem with denial instead is that ultimately it still leaves innocent children unvaccinated
I hate the either you are an anti vaxxer or pro vaxxer. I believe certain vaccines should be given to all yes. As they have been proven to be effective, but do i need to be forced to take some flu vaccine every year? I haven't gotten the flu since I stopped getting that shit whilst watching all my co workers who did get it, get sick.
Or all these "epidemics" that pop up every couple of years. I'd rather take the risk of dying from whatever it is than get a vaccine that they forced through the FDA.
When it comes to talks of mandatory vaccines or of penalties for non-vaccination it is largely with regards to childhood standard vaccinations rather than various miscellaneous optional vaccinations.
Those are the vaccinations for the nasty stuff like measles, mumps, rubella, and other conditions which can be either lethal or leave a person with life altering permanent injury.
Would Chicken Pox or the HPV vaccine be a requirement? I understand Chicken Pox can he deadly l, especially to the elderly, but I had it when I was a kid. That's how we "vaccinated" for it. Parents would make sure their kids got it by the age of 5ish
I am talking very generally however I imagine so. From my understanding since there is little to no risk to vaccinating for it it makes sense to ensure that as close to 100% of children are immune rather than leaving it to (the admittedly high) chance that they will catch it while they are young. Furthermore this also creates herd immunity which protects those older people who are at risk from Shingles.
Wyvernz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The greatest benefit of flu vaccines is on the population level - if enough people get the vaccine then the virus will not be able to propagate through the population (herd immunity). It mainly protects the very young and the very old, many of whom either can't get the vaccine (babies) or for who it isn't as effective (the very old).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flu vaccines are important. In 1918 over 50 million people died of influenza. That's why we get them every year. The virus mutates so they use intrinsic testing to try and narrow down which strains are going around that year
I'm not one way or another on this whole thing I see both sides here but I will say that the flu vaccine is the perfect example.
I have never once gotten the flu, ever. On the flip side my sister has gotten the flu every year since taking the vaccine.
Now do I believe that there is some sinister cabal running around keeping people sick, no. However I do believe that we don't know nearly as much as we think we do about vaccines and more importantly the inner workings of the human body.
we don't know nearly as much as we think we do about vaccines and more importantly the inner workings of the human body.
It's actually a terrible example for you to have popped out this statement. I'm not disagreeing with you per se, but the flu shot is a best educated guess each year. Whoever is in charge of deciding what strains go into the vaccine each year uses "science" to help them determine what mutations they think will occur before it makes its way to the US. So it's a guess. And some years it's much more successful than the others.
Things like MMR, Tdap, etc. don't change because the diseases themselves aren't changing.
You just said best guess which is proving my point at us not knowing everything. We don't know everything. For all we know the virus could have mutated and now we are not treating it but helping it. The problem lies in life it self, the virus or bacteria is constantly trying to survive like ourselves and is constantly evolving.
The flu shot is a best guess. I guess if you want to latch on to that one vaccine, then, yeah, I proved your point. Everything else we pretty much know how to build the vaccine to help stop the disease or decrease its severity. When was the last time you heard of someone who received an MMR vaccination getting measles, mumps, or rubella? It ain't changing.
I'd rather take the risk of dying from whatever it is than get a vaccine that they forced through the FDA.
Maybe you should look up what some of those diseases looks like and what they do to you.
Damn, we're really living in great times that some people would willingly refuse surefire prevention from some of the most horrible and deadly diseases that used to kill thousands of people out some some misplaced ideas of freedom.
The precedent is there. Just look at the law requiring schools and other public places to have an EPIPEN on the premises at all times. EPIPEN IS A BRAND. They tricked everyone into buying millions of their product through the law!
Vonmule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like apples vs oranges to me. On one hand you are forcing schools to buy a certain brand of drug in case of emergencies, on the other, you are requiring people to actually take the medication.
Just to devils advocate here. Perhaps legislation would improve vaccines and the FDA process and "big pharma". Right now, they push drugs out knowing X% of the population will buy it. That percentage influences how much time they spend on it, and how long until they can take until the next thing. If they knew by law 99.5% of people were going to buy it, they know they will make more money even if it takes longer.
Also from a liability standpoint, if you know 20% of the population is going to take it, you may be ok with a .05% chance of something being wrong or under tested. If you know 99.5% of the population will take it, .05% would be way too high and you want that down to .002% before you release.
Wyvernz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the FDA has been known on occasion to rush the drug approval process at the expense of safety
Evidence for this? The FDA is one of the most conservative bodies in the world in this area (see thalidomide as an example of how the US rejected a drug that was used throughout the rest of the world).
"Add in the fact that the FDA has been known on occasion to rush the drug approval process at the expense of safety as well as the drug industry's propensity for lobbying and political pocket lining."
Is there evidence of this? I am curious about how true this is as your comment sounds like the type anti vaxxers say all the time but they never provide references at all, however since you also agree with vaccinations I am hoping have some info about the FDA rushing the approval process at the expense of safety, as I really do want to know if this is true.
I dont know that you will find definitive proof. However there are a number of articles with doctors not completely on board. I am pro vaccination, however that doesnt mean I am willing to blindly stick any needle/meds in my daughter. I'm fine with the tried and true ones but sometimes opt out of the flu/unproven ones.
a few vaccines that were rushed- swine flu, ebola, zika
Timwi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the "who can say with certainty" argument. Who can say with certainty that not legislating in this way is any better? Who can say with certainty that mobile phone radiation isn't giving you cancer? Who can say with certainty that anything we think we know is true?
The trick to being less wrong is to follow the best available judgment. Right now, the best we know, vaccinations are safe, beneficial, and children are better off getting vaccinated regardless of their parents' preference.
If you discover evidence to overturn the current best known judgment, bring it on. Until then, forced vaccinations are the best known course of action against abusive parents.
You mean its not illegal in your country? Vaccimation is cumpulsory in where i live and everyone gets their shots as baby and during your time in primary school where the they will set up a mobile clinic.
I'll agree with getting polio,chicken pox, measles, etc vaccinations due to the requirement of education which puts children in contact with potentially sick kids, and interaction with certain illnesses can permanently damage a youth. I know someone who got polio when he was 7(79 now) because his mother felt it was unnecessary to get the vaccine.
BUT after those childhood vaccines up to age 18, it should be up to the individual. First, otherwise it's way too much big brother and I think it's wrong to infringe upon personal rights so much. It falls into a similar argument that has been goin on with abortion. What right /does/ the govt have to tell people what we can and can't do with our bodies?
Second not all people respond well to vaccination, sometimes it doesn't even work, and sometimes it makes the sickness vaccinated against last longer in certain cases.
Third, IF vaccination is mandatory, is insurance paying for it? Or will it be another Obamacare situation?
Of course I'd like to see those diseases eradicated, but with the increase in people refusing to vaccinate their kids on questionable grounds those diseases are at risk of making a comeback. It may be overly cynical of me, but I feel that if something pretty drastic isn't done, these diseases will once again be rife and we've wrecked 100 years of progress towards eradication.
I agree. I'm just saying it's like saying "I wish more people would use turn signals" when the real problem is they cause accidents. Why not just hope for less accidents. Make sense?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need people to vaccinate to eradicate a disease. If you're interested the story of Donald Henderson and the eradication of smallpox is super interesting. There's a 'twiv' (this week in virology) podcast interview with him. Super interesting
A few years back some parents got a fine and short prison sentence for not getting their kid a polio vaccine in Belgium. I posted it somewhere a long time ago with source, but can't be bothered to find it.
While I'm definitely pro-vaccine, taking away the choice to get vaccinated takes us down a unknown and potentially dark road. Not a good idea, especially as more and more of our freedoms are getting repressed
Valkonn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the freedoms I'm OK with surrendering.
this is pretty dumb and spiteful. your wish for the world is focused on punishing people :/. there are still loads of kids that don't have access to vaccines, far more than those who do but don't take them. wish for every child to get vaccinations instead.
Parents should be able to do whatever the hell they want with their kid. You're talking about some baaaad juju because vaccines are okay now, but making them mandatory is legitimately not okay.
What about the children who legitimately cannot have a vaccine? That's the point of OP's comment. Herd immunity is a real (and awesome) thing and requires everyone who is medically able to get vaccinated does. At no point in time should a parenting choice be able to have a direct effect on another's child.
I just see a real problem with the goverment making it mandatory to inject things in our bodies. It begins as a humanitarian step forward, but it becomes a form of control. As a libertarian I cannot in good conscience agree with mandatory vaccination. I am vaccinated and happy to be so, but I would fight to the last breath a law that said everyone required them.
Oh, yeah, I completely agree with that. I kind of zoned in on the first part of your comment and completely neglected the second acting like they weren't definitely two linked phrases. I'm dumb.
Nah, you're not dumb. I will vaccinate any kids I have, but if I couldn't because of an immuno-deficiency, and then they caught something preventable because an ignorant parent I would be livid. It's just the mandatory part I cannot stand by.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That all sounds well and good as long as you are willing to say you 100% trust that not only is everyone in power currently both always scientifically accurate and benign but that will always be case.
Ehhhh. While I definitely don't agree with the parents who aren't vaccinating children because of autism, I don't see long term forced government vaccination ending too well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gOWLaxy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe an HIV vaccine is just around the corner. Within 15 years, I believe HIV will be preventable through simple vaccines.
I also believe that most anti-vaxxers will fall off their high horses and change their tune when they are asked whether they want to prevent HIV for themselves, and their children.
The rest that don't.... they'll be the HIV carriers. It's that simple. And, yes... it is coming.
No. Authoritarianism is evil. Even your "well-intentioned" authoritarianism is evil.
You'll get much better results (& much more compliance) if you educate and persuade (and subsidize the costs of vaccines) rather than try to lock people in cages for living differently.
Yes, I too can't wait to have the government mandate what medical procedures everyone must go under. If you think they'd stop at just vaccinations, you're dreaming.
How's the nuclear fallout shelter construction coming along, Bob? Did you buy all the cans and supplies? Stock up on ammo?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Typical reaction to this: "You must be anti-vax you tard!" Same people who think you should censor bigoted speech. They don't get that it's the principle that matters. But they live in a 2D world where they need to file you in the 'us' or 'them' category without taking the effort or responsibility to consider nuance.
This guy gets it. It's not about pro vax or anti vax, it's about giving more control to the government to allow them to tell us what we need to do with our own bodies. Love people who think this is a crazy dystopian idea. This is not tin-foil hat territory. When things go into 'law', you bet your ass corporation or government will find ways to use it in their favor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me that the Supreme Court would have something to say about it. You really shouldn't force someone to have their kids vaccinated.
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 13:50:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with ya! Both of my nieces suffered from febrile seizures for years after their MMR vaccinations. The CDC actual admits this in their fine print. It is also hereditary so she chose not to vaccinate her newborn son. Imprisoning someone over a hereditary medical reason so others feel better about who their children play with is moronic!
So you're ok with children without vaccines because of medical purposes playing with other children? I'm just confused. You want people jailed for not vaccinating because why exactly?
Abell370 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:41:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it endangers people like your niece's son who can't be vaccinated due to medical reasons.
Valkonn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People like you're nieces are accounted for in vaccination. Everyone who is medically able needs to be vaccinated in order to protect those incapable of being vaccinated. It's herd immunity.
If people who are not allergic stop getting vaccinated, then that creates an opportunity for a virus to begin spreading throughout a community. For a vaccination to be effective, almost all of society needs to be vaccinated. It's fine if there are a few holes in the defense, so long as they are spread so thin there is no chance of spreading.
My point is meant to address people who wilfully ignore the importance of vaccinations and instead choose to believe crackpot theories, and spread this misinformation around. If too many people are not vaccinated, the spread of the disease is no longer contained. I'm not suggesting every single child be vaccinated, as that just isn't viable - some children have immuno-deficiency and other such issues. But if the majority of the population are vaccinated, we won't have widespread outbreaks of entirely preventable diseases. It's so important, and yet it's very easy to assume those diseases just happen to be (mostly) eradicated. They're eradicated because of vaccinations.
I hardly think it's tyranical. People are required by law to pay taxes to pay for infrastructure, education, healthcare (depending on where you live), for the greater good. No one likes to pay taxes but we have to do it. Why should vaccinations not be required by law in a similar vein? They were developed to protect people from dying en masse from entirely preventable diseases.
Because forcing people to drug their baby's is not the same as paying taxes for public use items. Do you realize that many many people do not pay taxes?
If you're really passionate about this, the right way to do it is to increase awareness and education.
Demanding that someone vaccinate under penalty of law will only see more people not doing it.
They already do. Kids in a school barely have any rights, cops trample over people's freedoms with impunity. That won't be anything new.
_samux_ ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:23:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is actually a bit mean. if you are vaccinated yourself, antivax cannot interfere with you.
if you have some kind of immune deficiency it is unlikely that a phew novaxxers will endanger you more as you need to be careful anyway.
if you have a baby breast feeding will cover for 6 month and then vaccinate them asap and keep them away from large amount of people; it is unlikely that a one year old baby will miss that trip to Disneyland
for full disclosure I'm father of 2 and both are getting all mandatory and suggested vaccines
Valkonn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. Vaccines aren't fool-proof. They work upwards of 99% efficacy but exposure to a disease may still result in sickness.
As such, it is imperative that everyone be vaccinated.
If I was the only person vaccinated against measles in the world, then it wouldn't matter because I would constantly be exposed to the rest of society and would, at one point, get measles. The anti-vax group is directly responsible for the measles outbreaks we have seen in several 1st world countries. Once you get a few thousand susceptible individuals, they give the virus opportunity to spread.
_samux_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
do.you have some proofs of your claims ?
Foxehh2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is actually a bit mean. if you are vaccinated yourself, antivax cannot interfere with you.
We're not there yet. People who don't get vaccines are slowing down immunity and actually killing people over time in poor countries. All because they read a Facebook post.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you not getting your children vaccinated? Are you uneducated on the subject matter and it's the hip thing to do or do you not trust your educated physician more than the "research" you've done on vaccination?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:39:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:27:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After seeing a lot of comments about contacts with aliens, I'm curious to know how the world would react if it really happened. Both are actually "unthinkable" now by a lot of people (aliens by "religious", and peace by "others") but seing another form of life might unite us... or people will just turn crazy and we'll fight even more.
Note: I quote "others" because I can't think of the right English word for it.
Internal fights aren't all bad though. But yes, being on the brink of devastation might allow a dictator to grasp full control preventing any true internal fights and things other than true obedience. Especially with surveillance getting so good.
In the comic the Watchmen (spoiler) it's ultimate resolution to unifying the world mid Cold War was the threat of a greater alien power (which leveled NYC). Honestly if aliens were proven to be a threat to humans, or at least able to compete, I could see a sort of defacto peace between humans.
I read like many different posts and still unable to determine the political leaning of that subreddit. What is that place?
Zaldun ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace, probably impossible. It's human nature to have wars and so on, no matter how far back you look i doubt you can find any point in time where it has been peace. (Other then when no one knew there where people to fight)
BeTiWu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:00:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no hardcoded human nature. And even if there were, look at what we did to the rest of nature.
It's just not really a stable situation unfortunately. Let's say in the future every country would want peace, and cuts down on army expenses. In that situation only a single fool that gathers enough people is able to overrun other countries quite easily. Thus, armies are needed to circumvent possible disruptions of the status quo. And with every country having a substantial army, it is hard to trust each other.
BeTiWu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd have to get rid of motivations for overrunning other countries. Financial and political power have to be spread out to the people so they are impossible to be controlled and abused.
Depends how you define a war, really, but I'm of the opinion that the concept of open war between nation states is at least quite likely to be relegated to the dustbin of history by the end of the century. There's just so much to lose from them.
SOBWAW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be easy if we get a couple people on mars. There would be world peace on that world! Sure it would only be two people. But it would be peaceful, right??
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it's been said but a cure for AIDS and figuring out how to kill antibiotic resistant gonorhea. I'm 22 and I want free love to happen again dammit
/u/GeckoGary posted to /r/circlejerk a bunch of times, each time hitting the top of the subreddit. Even hitting the top of /r/all. The mods of /r/circlejerk decided that they're admins now and they banned him for vote manipulation, which usually means using bots to get a ton of upvotes. This is something the mods can't be completely sure about and the admins never contacted them to ban him.
So people are mad now because it was a good joke regardless.
Ever since they started taking it seriously. Reddit mods can get a bit too serious sometimes because they're too close to the issue. Can't see the forest through the trees and whatnot. I'll try finding a post but they probably deleted it.
Yeah, the only question is which system to create. The nervegear is capable of being turned into a death trap, but is more immersive. Amuspheres are almost completely safe, but aren't nearly as powerful or immersive. Medicuboid takes up an entire room, in addition to that, while system itself isn't bad, if you're using one then you are probably dying of a terminal illness. Soul translator is completely indistinguishable from reality, but its larger than the medicuboid, more expensive, and I'm a little skeptical of a device that could overwrite the data of my soul, and could be used to erase my memories, or trap me in a simulation where time moves faster allowing me to be impressed for years or even centuries before anyone even notices that I'm gone. Plus there are like no games for the soul translator.
I think the cure for this is the Governors Association hiring an independent outside firm to develop an algorithm that divided state legislative and Congressional districts based on one sole criterion: Number of registered voters, ignoring race, gender, political affiliation, age, or any other identifying factor.
2dark4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem with this approach is that ignoring minorities makes their vote essentially not count. There is a Video explaining this on youtube somewhere.
Gerrymandering does this on purpose, and is actually racist. A program that is race blind, going solely by population is not racist. Minorities may/will almost certainly have an advantage in highly populated areas.
Karmoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me happy to see someone else wrote this.
trenknat ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 11:23:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fair, efficient and effective system to allocate resources (i.e. an alternative to or mix of capitalism/socialism/communism) that allows us to view the fact that robots will be taking over many jobs as a positive development.
Resources are going to be allocated anyway. But the allocation system can either be emergent (capitalism), with allocation being decided on a case-to-case basis based on personal interest, or it can be controlled based on the needs of the community (socializm). There can also be different combinations of those.
Even if the government does not regulate resource distribution at all, resources are going to be distributed in a certain, predictable way. By continuing to not regulate, the government is indirectly responsible for this distribution.
Rights (such as the right to own property) is determined by society.
You can have resources that are illegal to possess โ as decided by law โ and we're justified in taking those away. You'd agree with that, wouldn't you?
It is impossible for a socialist system to allocate resources based on the needs of the community. This is because in socialism prices do not exist to balance supply with demand. Also it is impossible for a central "allocator" to know what demand is for anything since it cannot read peoples minds or know thier value scales.
His book, from the little I skimmed, seems to focus on the autocratic distribution of resources and setting of prices. There are other types of socialism. For example, there is socialism where the corporations and factories are owned by the workers themselves or by a democratically elected leader, elected by the workers of the organization. In such a system there is little disconnect between what the public wants and what the public needs, as the distribution is handled by the public itself.
All socialism involves the autocratic distribution of resources.
And there is no way that anyone other than yourself can know your value scales. When you are standing in the isle trying to decide whether your are in the mood for Pepsi or Coke, no one besides yourself, not even you're own mother, can determine your value scales.
All socialism entails is that the workers own the means of production (factories, companies, etc.)
There are many kinds of socialism, and not all include autocratic distribution of resources.
We don't need to know how much people value things if we know how much in abundance we are of those things. If I have one hundred cookies in day one, and in day two I have zero cookies, I bake more cookies. Come day three, if I still have zero cookies, I should bake more cookies than I did on day two. I can track demand by measuring the production against the storage. Sure this can amount to shortages, but capitalism also has shortages, and also spikes in demand can often be predicted. For example, heart-shaped chocolate demand is going to increase on Valentine's Day.
This is ridiculous. You can't know what things people want and in what way and in what quantities and compared to what without the people themselves expending their own resources and making sacrifices.
In Montana it's more efficient to have a house built in Illinois and then shipped than it is to build a house on site with a construction crew. How do we know this? Because we have prices arrived at by the free exchange of privately owned goods.
If meeting the people's needs is so easy in socialism then why can't Venezuela provide one of the most predictable products to it's people; toilet paper?
To take the example of toilet paper in Venezuela you gave, it's pretty easy to tell that people want toilet paper, else there wouldn't be a shortage. Do people want golden wristwatches? If we produce some and we still have them after several days, then no.
in what way
We can't know this in capitalism either. People either buy or don't buy your product. If you change your product and more people buy, then you know people like the product that way. The same can be said for a socialist system. If more people take your item after a change, they like it more that way.
and in what quantities
If supply is too low to meet demand by the end of the day, then supply is too low. If you continually have more of an item than the previous day, then supply is too high.
In Montana it's more efficient to have a house built in Illinois and then shipped than it is to build a house on site with a construction crew. How do we know this? Because we have prices arrived at by the free exchange of privately owned goods.
The Law of Value states that the Illinois house is cheaper to manufacture because less effort goes into it. By simply measuring the effort that goes into manufacturing, you can figure out the most efficient way of going about housing in Montana.
If meeting the people's needs is so easy in socialism then why can't Venezuela provide one of the most predictable products to it's people; toilet paper?
Demand is high and supply is low. I cannot comment on why supply is low because there are probably a number of reasons.
Do people want golden wristwatches? If we produce some and we still have them after several days, then no.
But people will take as many golden wristwatches will be given. If this is how your society decides to allocate resources than it will spend it's time making golden wristwatches instead of making tires or dental equipment.
We can't know this in capitalism either.
Yes, we do. It's called supply and demand. It's decentralized knowledge which no one person can know.
If supply is too low to meet demand by the end of the day, then supply is too low.
This is a tautology. Demand is infinite if the price is zero. Is your utopia gonna make infinite amounts of infinite products and services? If not, then how will your utopia decide which products to make and in what quantities? And don't say demand because demand is infinite...
The Law of Value states that the Illinois house is cheaper to manufacture because less effort goes into it. By simply measuring the effort that goes into manufacturing, you can figure out the most efficient way of going about housing in Montana.
This is the thoroughly debunked labor theory of value. Which is more valuable to a man dying of thirst, a bottle of water or a diamond? Apparently, the diamond because it takes more man hours to dig up a diamond than to stick a bottle under a spring.... Hell, your theory is debunked by the house example. It takes more man hours to build a house and then ship it than to build a house without shipping it, obviously. But it's more economical to ship the house to Montana because labor in Montana is more urgently needed for ranching and farming, not building when that can be outsourced.
You need some economic literacy before we can talk any more. I recommend Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt, the most popular economics book ever written.
Demand cannot be infinite from a finite amount of people who can consume a finite amount of things.
EDIT: Also, people won't take as many golden wristwatches as given, because the perceived value drops below what is necessary for people to want them. If I give you a tv remote, what are you going to do with it? You have no use for it, you have a remote already. You'll just reject the remote.
It's presumed infinite because everything has a cost, i.e. everything is scarce. Supply and demand is the most basic law of economics, you should learn it before crafting a utopian society.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:37:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If "the workers" (whatever that means) owns the means of production, exchange, and distribution (whatever that means) than there can be no real prices. Since prices are are arrived at by competing supply and demand.
Also, your definition necessitates an autocratic distributor of resources.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you need competing supply and demand when you're democratically deciding where resources are being allocated
There you go. You just admitted autocratic distribution of resources is necessary in socialism. How will the people "democratically" decide where resources go? Are they going to vote every .002 seconds on where every resource gets moved to despite having no knowledge of the facts? No, they will elect a person or persons to do that. Autocratic.
supply and demand are LAWS of economics. They act whether you believe they exist or not. You might as well suggest jumping off a building and flapping your arms since under socialism there is no need for gravity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are glossing over important problems that need to be solved. Like that, a central planner cannot know what resources are needed for what ends. To take your example:
A given city has in supply [X] amount of wheat, and only needs a third of what they have. So, now we look at the surrounding areas, the next town over needs roughly half their surplus, and so on. Rather than insisting it be sold for a profit, or go to waste if there is none to be made, it's simply distributed because that's where the demand is.
You are glossing over how the central planner knows that only a third is needed. Do they ask? And if they are asked then everyone will just ask for as much wheat as possible without regard for how much is available or as a competition against other goods that they might want.
For example: A town sits on 1000 acres and has 1000 citizens, the central planner asks "how many acres do you need?", every citizen makes the case that it is absolutely necessary that they have 100 acres to survive or produce. This is impossible since there are only 1000 acres, so the planner must allocate the land arbitrarily by more or less guessing. This even accepts the idea that the planners are angels with no corruption or self-interest of their own.
All this to replace money and prices which efficiently balance supply and demand as is.
If your utopia were possible then why can't Venezuela provide toilet paper, a completely predictable good? Why can't North Korea feed its people? North Korea doesn't even have human rights to worry about, can't it just tell people to make more food?
We have more empty houses than homeless people, and more food thrown out than hungry people. Something is fucked here, and we can do better than the Invisible Hand.
The problem is if you take away the incentive structure there are no empty houses and even more homeless. (Hint hint the extra houses and extra food have something to do with the invisible hand)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:07:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If its a publicly traded company with shareholders then yes, yes it is. What you want is leadership without actual leadership and that works about as well as it sounds. Flat organizational structures rarely ever work, and if they do its because they've got 1 person at the top steering the whole damn ship.
Personally, I won't need it to be fair, but a working system that guarantees no easily accessible resources are held back just because of greed. And that everyone gets a fairly liveable place to stay. An alternative resource for additional content that either cannot be made accessible for all or isn't desired by all. Which could be earned through merits or trading much like today.
it would be great to see a kind of market socialism where companies are owned and directed by the workers, either by voting on company decisions or by voting on management/directors.
this way, the people living with the decisions of the companies are the ones making those decisions. a worker directed company would choose to use technology as an aid to the workforce rather than something that will leave a good chunk of them unemployed.
it's amazing to me how we drop the idea of democracy when we enter the workplace.
You're implying democracy, rule of the people, works - it doesn't. It is and always has been rule of the rich and powerful over the people. Only way out I can see (and very much agree with you) is dividing that wealth and power over more people. We just haven't found a way to do that without bloodshed, though.
you're definitely correct, but democracy has become the rule of the rich as a direct result of the tremendous inequality caused, in large part, by the hierarchical way that most companies and corporations are organized. the few people at the top are able to buy governments and influence society in order to retain their power. i believe that with a serious attempt at a government subsidized worker cooperative sector, we can start reversing that inequality without bloodshed. as the cooperative sector grows, more and more people will want to work in those types or organizations rather than in traditional capitalist businesses. again, this will require massive support from the government.
i know it's a very reformist solution but i've struggled to come up with a better option.
How about putting an upper limit on wealth and income? If you own, say 30 million in assets, you, your wife and underage children cannot aquire more. It's not like hoarding and concentrating wealth leads to a healthier society, is it?
In the same way, a manager getting paid 1000x (in whatever form) what the worker that made his wealth gets is not just. Isn't e.g. 50 times enough? That way, a single week would get you what others have to work a whole year for. Nobody "needs" a 50million home or Ferrari 250 GTO or a Gulfstream private jet. It's obscene and doesn't make anyone more happy. Actually, beyond 100k/year, happiness doesn't rise. Only wealth inequallity does.
Social revolution through tax reforms would be an awesome goal. Sadly, we'll see a man on Mars before we figure that shit out without dusting off the guillotine again.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I agree that it would be great to see that happen I feel like no matter what as long as one group has more (even slightly more) resources than any other group people will argue or fight over it even if they themselves have enough to live well. I have a history degree so I am kind of pessimistic :(
Limiting the amount of money the top x% can have would be a nice step too.
I don't think it's a good idea for few people to be able to have too much power. No matter how unfair it sounds to tax them more.
In an ideal world, money shouldn't give you power unless it exactly correlates to your contributions to humanity. So as long as you can make money by doing bad, it's not a good system.
For example: people who make money by brainwashing people, then they get even more money to brainwash even more people and you get politics.
Then there's the snake oil salesmen, cheaters, loophole finders, tax evaders and the ones who do plain illegal things
Viewing it as a positive development will always be intrinsically tied to whichever side of the business you're on. If you're the owner, then it's a positive development allowing you to reduce costs. If you're the employee, then it's a negative in that it threatens your/coworkers livlihoods.
I would put it differently: "That we have an economy where the goal is to provide for the people (in general, and my people in particular)".
I don't think we can ever agree on "fair", exactly. More important is that the goal of the economy is to provide for people, not enrich some group or be ideologically determined to be this or that.
Coming out of our times of globalization and automation with a people-friendly economy (and government) would be a great achievement. It is so easy to think of dystopias where multinational companies govern in a new world of serfdom.
Capitalism is as fair as it gets . You get for what you work for . Most people in the world have the physical and mental capacities to support themselves and even another family member with a disability or what not . The ratio of healthy v unhealthy in terms of being able to produce value is very positive . The problem is people can't think critically and realize the problem roots from family values . I.e it doesn't matter how much we are taxed to help the poor most of them are poor because of their inherently bad choices , and a lot of governments like to pander to this behavior because it keeps them in power . This is why socialism and communism have never worked and will never work
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't capitalism all those things, well at least efficient and effective?
Hypothetical question, let's say that in the future a fair efficient and effective system replaced the current one, people being people wouldn't most of them think it was unfair?
Robots taking over jobs directly leads to a leisure economy under capitalism, predicted by several economists including Keynes. Yet people still view it as a problem.
That's not really true. Robots taking over the jobs leads to mass unemployment while only those who own the robots receive the benefits under capitalism. If the benefits of the robots' work goes to anyone other than the owners, you aren't describing capitalism.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:33:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you please cite that. Even the most pessimistic econ papers I've read do not predict mass unemployment.
Edit: Also, who do you think the owners are? In the US it's 68% of the population!
A) Baumol's cost disease assumes that workers of jobs with lower wages can find work with higher wages. With automation, jobs stop existing. That's what automation is. Of course, we're a long ways off from automating everything, but when we do, ownership of the robots doesn't suddenly change under capitalism. That means 100% unemployment.
B) Unemployment is highly tied to economic depression. Note the rises in unemployment on this graph. They all correspond with depressions/recessions: The Depression of the 1890s, The Great Depression, "Reagan's Recession", and 2008. A decrease in unemployment is often indicative of the end of a recession/depression. Why do you think Roosevelt started infrastructure projects all over the US in the 30s? To increase employment and therefore get them out of a recession.
EDIT: Tying automation to unemployment is rather easy to do without the use of research papers too, if you use philosophy.
Humans perform labour for money.
Robots perform labour for less money than humans.
Automation will cover every career sometime in the future.
Employers want to spend the minimum amount of money possible.
If employers want to spend the minimum amount of money possible, they will choose robots over humans for every job.
Therefore, humans will lose jobs to automation with no other career to choose.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A) Why is it that when the textile industry was heavily automated the owners of the capital lost so much money? Your 1st order thinking would imply that all of the profit in the industry just went straight to them.
B) Yes, unemployment can rise. But your argument is that automation will cause the worst depression ever? I highly doubt it, and I'd be willing to make a longbets.org bet with you on the subject. Unemployment will not exceed 33% in the US over then next 20 years.
Re: Your edit) This is just wrong. That's why I'm asking for a research paper. You don't understand the subject. You assume that prices are fixed. You think that absolute advantage is all that matters when in reality comparative advantage is all that matters. See this post for (relative) laymen by Krugman: http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/ricardo.htm
There's a reason that the consensus of economists is against you, I suggest you try to understand it.
True. I can only find papers that imply automation causes unemployment, but none that outright say it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly I'd be pretty surprised to find any papers that showed that it would cause permanent unemployment. Technological shocks causing temporary departure from full employment, is debated but not unheard of. Permanent displacement of workers in general I would be surprised to find even implied.
Capitalism sees the profits of capital (in this case, robots) go to the owners of the capital. I don't have to cite it, that's literally the axiomatic definition of the system. Under capitalism, the only people who get paid for not working are the owners. And sort of leisure economy that robots being about will have to be enabled by elements of other economic models.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The part that requires a citation is that massive unemployment will happen. You're in disagreement with the scientific consensus on that one.
Also, you haven't dealt with the fact that in the US 68% of the population are owners of capital...
But capital owners don't keep profits forever. They either spend it, lend it, or invest it. Sooner or later that money gets to people that don't own capital and they benefit as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That, and capital owners are in competition with each other. The textile industry was automated. Owners of textile capital did very, very badly!
A job would be the most obvious route. Capitalists do employ labor using their profits, either directly with their business or other things they buy. But there are other ways to feel the benefits, such as lower cost goods. Another way of course would be that profit is taxed and tax revenue is spent on things that benefit the public.
Note that most non-capital owners today live vastly better lives than non-capital owners of a few hundred years ago, despite not directly collecting the profit of capital.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A) It's trivially extensible to capital.
B) Currently unemployment is 4%, if you want to claim all employment will disappear please have an actual citation, not "but muh automation". Actual papers with abstracts please, not some guys blog post.
Only if you assume that intimidation or brainwashing is the only way to address this issue. Education in the broadest sense is a viable alternative, despite being very, very difficult to put into practice. This is why I said earlier that this would border on the impossible.
adwarkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big matter of "unfair" is that on current terms we cannot even hope to achieve "fair" - either we're getting unfair on that there is unequal distribution, or that with equal distribution there are people who do hard work like neurosurgeon gets just as much as common cashier, effectively killing off incentive of getting into harder professions, out of clear passion and calling.
So yeah here comes the future robots taking over the jobs. Now we have other set of problems to solve and questions to answer. How would distribution of resources work, how would it work in grand international scheme, what effects would have such situation have on people. Also we would need to manage though transition period which could be pretty damn shaky. It is easy to see problems with that, since we'd need change of a kind that would require a major change of whole economic system also in laws, that wouldn't be just few quick fixes on what is currently.
I agree it would be a challenge to address but not impossible. In order to "fairly" compensate individuals for their contribution to society we would first need to establish a scientifically tiered system that weighs many factors of all professions such as physical labor, technicality, environmental exposure, and statistical average one can work in the profession over their life span. We would then need to provide a standardized general education to all children. Followed by paid specialized training for the field in which the individual chooses. In order to stay in the course, one would be required to maintain a predetermined GPA as well as attendance record. We should also allow a certain amount of retraining if the individual later decides to change careers or if a particular career sector is no longer needed. At times we would have to adjust compensation based on work force need, not once the individual is in the workforce but at the time they are deciding on the field of study to peruse. If an industry is in less demand or is becoming obsolete we could implement incentives to retrain and relocate current workers where needed.
The only question that remains is who or what would gather and analyze the data necessary to make these decisions. Maybe it could be left to democratic voting by the population. Possibly we could allow the education system that is training and teaching us to make recommendations based off of statistical data and predictive methods to assemble the recommendations that we then vote on. This part I'm not sure of but I do think some form of this is possible and desirable. The current system is vulnerable to manipulation and is responsible for the large disparity between rich and poor. Wealth inequality doesn't just hurt the least fortunate of us. It also hurts the overall production of the economy. Not only are the poor being mistreated but most of the work force is being underutilized and wasted.
๐๏ธ cath91 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 11:00:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd personally want to see humans on Mars.
JPQed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea becoming a interplanetary species is what I want to see.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:10:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing or treating can lead to the same outcome. Complete reversal of condition and/or complete alleviation of symptoms. And this is achievable through therapeutic intervention.
I'd love to see a source on that as well /u/UndercoverPatriot because I'm with /u/General_GTFO and that I do ok-ish while on treatment and taking the drugs, but would likely fall back into the pit if I stop.
With continual treatment. That's the part I'm arguing, man. If you stop, shit gets fucked again. I took antidepressants for a while and they worked a bit. Then I couldn't afford them anymore and I went back to wishing I wouldn't wake up in the mornings...
Comrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a variety of treatments for depression. What doesn't work for one person may work for another, and vice versa. I used to be severely depressed. Therapy and medication didn't work for me. I've since made a full recovery. For some people, it is completely possible to help yourself.
On the flip side, I know people who have been on medication for years and cannot function properly without it.
Which is why I am advocating for real treatment, which is therapeutic. CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) or ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) are both effective, reliable and safe treatment of major clinical depression, and has lasting effects. Many can be cured completely. Drugs are a temporary solution, it's a band aid fix and should not stand alone without therapy. If you can only choose either or, therapy is what you should go for. But I'm sorry you feel this way, hope you manage to find a solution soon.
Oh it absolutely can. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding in how depression, and by extension therapy, works. Your mind, your brain chemicals and your bodily functions are intricately linked. External stimuli, or stressors, which are often the causal event of depression such as a breakup, loss of a loved one, traumatic experiences, finanical hardships etc, causes emotional and mental stress. Normally, people rebound from these events with time and processing at their own pace, but it also happens that the process gets stuck. Your body is trapped in a perpetual state of stress, and certain mental functions that are the root cause of this emotional stress repeat in perpetuity, which causes the depressive state. It doesn't necessarily have to be external, sometimes theres no causal event, but the internal mental processes are the same. This constant mental and emotional stress is actively causing your brain chemicals as well as hormonal functions to become abnormal, and your thinking becomes warped as a result. Engaging in thinking that perpetuates the state of stress, such as excessive rumination, self blaming, catastrophic thinking, black and white thinking, obsessive introspection and others is what is perpetuating the depressive state. It's a negative spiral that sometimes can not be broken without professional help. It's a very physically unhealthy state to be in. That is what clinical depression is. And that is why therapy is so effective in treatment, because it teaches you not only to become aware of these processes, but also how to reverse them. Once the constant source of emotional arousal is removed, whether it primarily is external or internal, the stress subsides, sleep and restorative processes improve, and normal brain chemistry and hormonal activity follows.
Comrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be depressed. I am not anymore. Honestly, at times, it's difficult to remember how depressed I was. My mindset has completely changed. Full recovery IS possible.
Well from my research it seems like you are, sadly, the exception to the rule.
How long did it take for you to get "cured"?
Comrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:54 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually there was a study a couple years back that found that some teens grow out of depression/anxiety. It happens. I know people who grew out of it.
It took several months, personal growth, realizations, positive thoughts, etc. It wasn't an instant switch. My state of my mind changed slowly. But I got there. And I'm not depressed anymore. I'm happy and I love my life.
Certainly there are a lot of people who manage to beat depression with the help of the right therapies and medication. Depression is completely treatable.
Because of the fact that the universe is infinite. Sure, the chance of life developing and becoming as advanced as we are is super slim, but in an infinite world it's already happened infinite times and will continue to happen unless the universe collapses or something.
The chances are different based on one thing though. Whether abiogenesis is possible. If not, then we don't know where we came from, or where other life forms could come from. If it is possible though, that would increase the chances of aliens. I do personally think it's possible.
BeTiWu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woops misread the comment I thought he was talking about any sustainable energy source apart from fusion and the sun and my interest was sparked.
afiefh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it is extremely difficult to capture the energy of the sun unless you are willing to build a dyson sphere. It is simply too big and too far away.
The alternative is still fusion, but small and controlled. Project ITER is the biggest experiment in the field. A different project in Germany is called Wendelstein 7x. I have no PhD in physics to understand how likely they are to succeed, but it certainly sounds promising.
MjrK ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:11:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would settle for any kind of fusion.
BeTiWu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rouv3n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's planned to be achieved by 2019 with the Wendelstein 7-x. Source: Did a tour there last year. EDIT: After reading up on the topic it seems that this is only best case scenario, the ITER seems to be the first reactor that can be realistically expected to produce a net gain.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:21:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
klezmai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it even physically possible? I mean.. these atoms ain't gonna overcome the charges pulling them apart by themselves right?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's impossible
edit: not actually impossible, but the colder the fusion the harder it is to create a reaction. High temperature tokamaks are currently leading in the fusion race and will get even better now when we have better magnets.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 13:22:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really wouldn't want myself or the people I love floating in space for all eternity after the stars have all burned out.
k5josh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've got a trillion years to work things out, with all the greatest minds to have ever lived working together and collaborating, and we won't conquer entropy?
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fair point
Pcons10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would not be good, as we already are overpopulating earth. Even if it were possible, we shouldn't do it, as we are putting enough CO2 in the air now and we have enough people living as it is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would enjoy being the last of your species while the human race evolves past you? You will happily burn away as the sun envelops the earth in a billion years after everything you've ever come to understand has vanished in what to you is the equivalent of an eyeblink? You'll happily suffocate, floating in space after the sun finally burns out and ejects you into the void for the rest of eternity? You'll enjoy all your memories of life and the people you love fading out like vague half remembered dreams as your puny brain disregards them since you haven't thought of any of that in centuries and all that matters is the burning crush of the sun or eternal emptiness of space for endless eons?
Or are you just talking practical immortality where you live for a couple hundred years then off yourself because you've realized it wasn't the dream you hoped for and you don't really remember clearly enough why you chose the stupid path that leaves you desperately alone?
No it wouldn't.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You asume science won't advance to make the issues you state obsolete.
Heat death of the universe will never be obsolete. The remaining conflicts could maybe be achieved, but the likely hood of any single one of them being solved, ever, is so miniscule as to be laughable. Science fiction aside, it won't happen.
So you support the "equal distribution of profits" from the automation of horse and carriages? What about from the automation of cotton picking? What about from the automation of dish washing?
We're centuries away from the end of scarcity. In the mean time, as old jobs disappear due to efficiency gains, new jobs that were formerly prohibitively expensive will continue to appear.
Problem is, that would require some major changes to the economy. Don't get me wrong, I'd support such changes, but be aware of just how much effort that would take.
Sorry to hear about that. It's fortunately a manageable disease, but can be really tough at times. I've had it for over 10 years now and it's just become part of my life. I try not to let it get in the way of things.
Nuclear weapons have been a major contributor to peace among world powers due to the MAD principle. Sure the prospect of them being used is scary, but you know what else is scary? World war.
I mean, the nukes were almost launched several times (including after the Cold War theoretically ended). Besides, if someone gets desperate enough (like the Glorious Leader of Best Korea), MAD could outright fail.
That's kind of the thing, isn't it? The "what" that replaces capitalism.
The end of "work" is coming. It's not likely to happen in most Redditors' lifetimes, but there will be a point in the not too distant future where pretty much all jobs get done by machines or AI or some other non-human thing we haven't yet identified.
And when that happens, what becomes of the concept of money?
How is it earned if not through work? It certainly can't be only through investment because everyone can't be simultaneously rich, or simultaneously rich enough to have sufficient funds for their money to be earning their livelihoods.
As a global society, is it acceptable for a company to have humans do the work that funds the development of automating themselves out of existence for literally every job everywhere?
As a very simplistic example, Uber is using its own drivers to fund the creation of driverless cars. Expand that idea - let's call it technocapitalism - to every product and service you can imagine. Who actually benefits long term? Humanity as a whole? Or just the capitalist investors in future Uber-like companies as the number of human jobs grows ever smaller - to where even music or medicine or law or IT or plumbing or motivational speaking becomes the exclusive domain of self propagating, self repairing, self improving tech.
You can say automation is a technology issue; I disagree. I think pretty much all technology nowadays is the product of a desire to extract whatever money there is to be made from it, whether through sales of that tech (iPhones, apps, vacuum cleaners) or the distillation of a company's workforce into the smallest number of people possible creating the largest profit per person through automation (auto workers, accountants, customer service are all examples).
I'm not a Luddite, but what I see today is a bunch of very wealthy people looking for every way they can leverage technology to have their money growing as quickly as possible with as few people employed as can be managed. The technology is in the service of the capitalism. And society continues to reward capitalists in a way that isn't conducive to achieving independence from capitalism.
So what do we replace capitalism with? I don't know.
But the longer it takes to come up with alternatives, the more complicated it gets, and the more people are adversely affected by it.
Dicecard ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism doesn't currently exist pretty anywhere in the world. The only (partially) free market is the black/grey market.
Kathas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's an idea that once we get to a certain level of medicine, that your life will be extended to the point of living long enough to benefit from the next major advance in medicine. So on and so forth until essentially we are immortal.
That's what I want to live through. Nothing else essentially matters because we'd end up living through it anyway. Hoverboards, flying cars, working US government? We'll get to see all of that happen, because we'll live forever.
What needs to happen is governments must allow food scientists and dietitians to do their job and not allow themselves to be bought out by the dairy, meat and egg industries to "prove" the nutrient density of said foods.
Why though? Wouldn't it be way more interesting seeing humanity going extinct and possible the end of one of few species ever existed with complex thoughts, to be the last human thinking a thought like "what happens now?" or "is there an afterlife if so how/what is it?"
Reverse ageing, or atleast completely eliminate the ailments that result from ageing.
I wonder if whoever discovers a way to stop and reverse ageing, would be allowed to reveal it to the rest of the world. A population that cannot age would drastically alter society.
With all these kinds of post about immortality it just makes m think a few things.
1 we couldn't survive on earth alone if people were immortal.
2 we could easily get to other planets if people were immortal. If we can't die we shouldn't be able to die in space. Therefore we should be able to make human ladders to wherever we want to go and would at such point have our reach only be limited by our population.
Immortality does not equal invincibility. You can still die but just not by aging.
If if we gained immorality by uploading our brain to a computer or robot then we could survive in space but that doesn't mean we would live if the computer was destroyed.
No. Immortality does not mean you're invincible. It means your life ends when an outside source causes it. If a nuke went off from inside you then you would die.
Being able to growing new, perfectly healthy and normal, organs for people with failed ones, instead of organ donation. The science is in its infancy yet as far as i know, but we're getting there.
The only way we'd get single payer is if we got the current majority of congress out. And when I say majority I'd say the longtime GOP and longtime Dems. Technological advances wouldn't be hindered by Single Payer.
I want to see us outgrow religion in a meaningful way. I don't think that it will ever go away completely, but it should be completely removed from all governments, laws, and so on.
Mars? How about evolving right here on Earth first?
How about not blowing other people up because they happen to live near fossil fuels we need? Or not killing because imaginary sky-god organizations perceive they are slighted an also need dutiful worshipers and money? Maybe getting to a place where amassing money and power are embarrassing\ short-sighted goals. Where everyone gets raised up - not because of heaven and hell, salvation or damnation - but just because we should do the right thing for everyone.
Just your average socialist-commie-pinko pipe dream.
LordDz ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 13:39:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots taking over our jobs and we get time to do what we want.
Ofc, my pessimistic side would say that the owners of the robots would get very very rich and we'd get some very very poor people (more than we have now), but hopefully.. Things will become good.
It's starting. Basic Income pilots are happening in Ontario, and one of the frontrunners for the NDP race in Canada is proposing national BI. Hawaii recently passed a bill in support of Basic Income too. I'm not confident that America will pass a federal law like that in our lifetime, but other nations will, and states within the US will.
That said, what studies have shown so far (including this really neat pilot in Kenya by the charity GiveDirectly: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/6/14007230/kenya-basic-income-givedirectly-experiment-village ) is that people whose needs are supported with BI, no questions asked, use the funds for good, and are actually more eager to work and explore their passions. They also found that the funds were not abused. They looked into alcohol purchased with BI, for example, and found very little, though it did include someone buying distilling supplies for his new business.
BI providers and social scientists are theorizing, while gathering stats, that it will actually cost less to just give people money than it does to constantly support programs that give poor people specific items and services (which they may not need). It turns out the experts on knowing what poor people need are...poor people.
Having pilots and studies happening around the globe will let us start to see long-term statistics, and will hopefully show that UBI on a national level is nothing but beneficial, regardless of economic status.
Glad I scrolled down to find this. Just wanted to add to this: basic income and global social security for everyone, do what you want, let the robots do the menial tasks. Sure, some will be richer than others, but if we'd all have the basic necessities covered and no financial worries, we can start thinking how to tackle the other problems.
I was more referring to basic income. It most likely will never be fully implemented. And to be honest I can't understand how anyone can believe it ever will. If they believe so, to me it more or less seems that they haven't put enough thought into it.
LordDz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Sweden (and Finland works similar). In Sweden we have a great welfare system (you can read more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_in_Sweden) But in short. No job? You get money from taxpayers. School? funded by taxpayers no fees. Universities? Free, founded by taxpayers. Student loans? mostly funded by taxpayers only 0,1% interest. Hospitals? Free, funded by taxpayers. So do I think that all countries should have a welfare system as Sweden? Yes. I do.
Now let's talk about Basic income and what's the difference with it compare with a great welfare system. Let's say you live in Sweden now and you are without a job. You would get around 1000$. If this instead would be Basic Income (what Finland is trying). You would still get 1000$ instead of social welfare. But at the same time, the ones who work would also get 1000$. To fund this taxes needs to be higher. Who pays taxes? The one who works. basically, those 1000$ that working people are getting are paid by themselves with taxes. So it is just a more complicated idea for a great welfare system.
So what I'm saying is that Basic Income is more of an idea from countries with not so good welfare systems. They should focus on that instead of basic income because it will give the same result.
LordDz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Sweden too so no need to lecture me.
So yes in a way, it's a welfare system addition but also for food and clothes, etc something which isn't really included in our welfare.
Yes, it is? If you do not have job. Even basic furniture like bed, dining table etc. is included in the social welfare if you don't have it already. I remember one time that my neighbor needed money for alcohol so he hid his dining table at my place just to be able to get some extra cash from social services :P
To me. It is way more likely that the definition of a job change the more and more automatization takes over rather than basic income to be implemented.
Edit (In Swedish): "Ekonomiskt bistรฅnd bestรฅr av tvรฅ delar: fรถrsรถrjningsstรถd och bistรฅnd fรถr livsfรถringen i รถvrigt. Fรถrsรถrjningsstรถdet prรถvas mรฅnadsvis och tรคcker de vanliga och regelbundet รฅterkommande kostnaderna fรถr till exempel mat, klรคder, fรถrbrukningsvaror, boende och hushรฅllsel.
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oxfay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:22:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lab grown meat seems to be getting somewhere. I hear that it's application will be mostly felt in the fast food and prepared food industries. Hopefully this will stop the deforestation of the Amazon rain forest.
I would like to see solar panels on more than 60% of houses across the U.S. only way this is possible is if we keep upgrading the material and efficiency so the price keeps going down.
End to growing live animals just to kill them and eat parts of them. So basically, am really looking forward to lab grown meat. Which might actually happen in my lifetime, yay!
Head my words. If I do not cure cancer AND bring the Earth into the next technological era I will go to the middle of New York City and cut my flesh off and feed to the hungry people of NYC.
A full cure for paraplegics. I've seen videos of people who have been paralysed from the neck down have had their brain hooked up so that they can have basic motion restored to their arms. The work looks so incredible that I hope in my lifetime we can look back on those basic movements of the arms/hands the same way that today we look back at basic computers that were the size of a whole room and think "wow, technology has come a fucking long way"
I don't even necessarily want immortality. I think humanity in general would be a hell of a lot better off if we were able to live a couple hundred extra years, though. And that's not just selfishness speaking. Think about the wisdom and experience that an 80 or 90-year-old can share - just think what could be experienced and passed down by a 300-year-old man or woman. It would definitely exacerbate an already-existing population issue, of course, but there are solutions to that as well, and we're working on a number of those already.
Hasuna88 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:33:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People realizing there are actually really intelligent people with no college degrees and can do an even better job than those with college degrees in terms of work ethics and morals.
Absolutely, but at as employer I also have to say that work ethic and morals only get you so far if the work requires expertise and a formal education.
Cambian ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:44:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity, or whatever you want to call the ability to identify and transfer consciousness into robotic form
chaogomu ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity is when an A.I. can fully design and build a new, better, A.I.
Once this happens it will become an exponential process as each new A.I. will be able to design and build a better version.
While human brain uploading has been speculated as a part of this process it is not actually required at any step.
It is generally accepted that at some point post singularity that A.I. will be so smart that every conceivable technology will be invented.
Cambian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:40:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
way way way way better care of the elderly. We're all going to be there one day it would be nice to know there isn't any issues trying to get a loved one into an affordable safe home that will always keep them engaged and given the care they need if it comes to it. It seems now that it's an industry filled with cost cutting measures and bureaucracy
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:59:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the most recent VICE on HBO, and there's this autism activist group arguing for no "cure" because they don't feel they're "broken." I thought, well, that's well and good for high-functioning autistic adults, but what about everyone else??
Is it ok if I asked you to elaborate on this? I've never heard it put it this way before. I don't know enough about autism so I'm not sure if you mean he's awkward or just a mute.
The reason why I want it is because the purpose of a human should not be just to survive like animals, work should be done for the sake of progress but not as a mean to survive. With universal basic income we can be more creative when we don't have to worry about survival.
why would anyone worry about a planet like earth being destroyed when you can create complex ecological systems from ground up with little effort. create humans that require close to no resources, live for millenia without drawbacks and have senses that rival the most modern of machines. use micro organisms to terraform planets and make them liveable...
i'm absolutely certain that in the not so far future biological lifeforms as we know them (plants, insects, mammals, fish, reptiles, etc) will only find use in the entertainment sector. today we have terrariums and tomorrow we will have planets with their own eco systems and humanoids walking around on them that are subject to the will of the terrarium owners poking them with big sticks.
Cariad_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Alzheimer's, AIDs, Terminal Cancers.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:02:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Countries budgets for their space exploration agencies being larger than their military budgets.
Also the scrapping of single nation space agencies because space exploration is so important to us as a species, it should simply transcend competition based on where people happened to be born and instead be a joint international effort to discover what or who we share our universe with. No more NASA, RSC, ISRO etc. but instead all countries providing a suitably proportionate amount from their budgets to this one organisation striving for huge breakthroughs. This would also lead to incredible leaps in technology because we would have the absolute best scientists and engineers from around the world working together, sharing their knowledge.
It would make me happy to know that we can colonize a planet with microbes. Hopefully this is done on Mars if we fail to find life there after thoroughly searching.
Joke. Humans are built to group things for efficiency, so I doubt we will ever remove underlying prejudices and stereotyping from the mind. They're pretty helpful at times too. As soon as an Eastern-European guy I've never met before addresses me as "my friend", I know they may be trying to profit from me somehow. Or maybe I'm just a prejudicial monster.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:30:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whichever, you have a sharp sense of humour. It's well appreciated
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fucking vp fanboys
wahtong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is like saying a person born in low income household won't have any sort of prejudice or stereotypes different from a person born into a high income household.
wahtong ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 11:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless everyone in "middle America" are able to get to know someone who is gay or black. I was lucky to be able to move out of my small town and is the first in my family to be able to go to college. Or else I would not be in the lucky position I am in right now.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wpiman ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed; there is too much of a victim industry here.
They aren't ever going to be like "well, looks like we licked that problem. Let's shut down this bureaucracy which raises tens of millions of dollars annually and pays me a huge sum of money to run it". They just raise the bar.
I imagine if you asked the founder of the NAACP or other organizations at the time what their metric for ultimate success would be; they would have said the election of a black President. Now, they would probably say reparations. After that- the bar would be moved.
cnzmur ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 13:55:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once one defines what he is, he defines what he isn't. Then the road to judging what he isn't is very short.
I don't think it's entirely possible. I have yet to meet a person that doesn't use 'them' and 'us' (they as in - Trump supporters, Muslims, Mexicans, Left wing liberals, religious people, gun control). There's always a they.
If you think about t'would be a disaster, both extremely necessary for efficient, successful interactions (though occasionally returning the opposite).
' Oh look, here comes a bloodied man brandishing a large knife'
'How can I help you on this fine d....urghh'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By my definition this is not stereotyping or prejudice, this is assessing the situation based on actual facts.
A stereotype would be almost all people who use knives outside their homes are dangerous individuals.
Perhaps not the best example but my point is that it's not particularly efficient or safe to assume nothing about people, to not guess any of the blanks before you can get to know them (which in some cases might be impossible).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About individuals in specific circumstances, sure.
Generalizations about groups and classes of people, though, is really problematic. It ignores individual differences.
eg135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This probably won't happen because our minds are too weak to avoid overgeneralization. I see prejudive as an element of being human, like selfishness.
Or if we had an AI construct every one of us to be so different and unique that we can't possibly find many people who are similar to us.
It's easy to be racist when you live near a big group of your skin color, now imagine everyone being a completely different color, type, personality etc..
Maybe we'd still be racist towards other shades of people, idk, still sounds like an interesting thing to study
Then again if we had AI that can make us all different they can just make us not racist..
Xenepa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:12:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism != Secularism. Secularism was not the cause for murders. Bloodshed is just written into communism.
But true, during the time od those communist regimes were killing millions and millions, it was probably worst place to be. But i am talking about today. Id pick China or russia over egypt, uae, saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc any time.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to clarify I wasn't equating communism to secularism, just showing the statistics for the ones I meantioned. China and Russia. Arguably North Korea could be included.
Communism is rooted in Marxism, and Marxism does have deep roots in secularism, but you are correct that communism can happen without secularism. It is rather rare.
I would have to agree with you that right now Saudi and Egypt would be much worse than China and Russia. I haven't done enough research on North Korea's secularism, but I believe they would be an example of a current terrible secular society to live in.
People can twist any worldview to turn it into a fascist regime. Secularism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, people can use religion as an excuse for their own evil. So in my opinion secularism isn't preferable to religion, but democracy and equality and freedom of worship will produce a better society every time.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:50:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You also have non-religious people who wont vaccinate their children because of what they believe. It works both ways.
Source that shit, because that's a hell of a claim. I'm a parent, and all of my friends are parents. The only ones that don't vaccinate are religious. The rest of us don't even allow our kids around theirs, because they obviously don't take their children's lives seriously. Your claim would be completely contradictory to all of my real life experiences.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion has never harmed anyone or been the cause of anything negative or bad for people. No, not ever.
Some religious people, yes, but their religion says otherwise. The three biggest religions in the world each advocate and/or prophecize the death of apostates and unbelievers.
Matthew 10:14, regarding towns that do not want to worship him, "If any household or town refuses to welcome you or listen to your message, shake its dust from your feet as you leave. I tell you the truth, the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah will be better off than such a town on the judgment day."
John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of Godโs one and only Son."
Mark 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
2 Corinthians 6:14 "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"
There is no example anywhere of unbelievers being acceptable in any manner. They're commanded to be converted to left to be destroyed upon the return of Christ in his kingdom.
Yes. After their origin in the polytheistic Canaanite pantheon, the Abrahamic faith gradually changed to monotheism while warring with neighboring tribes for dominance. According to their shared story, their deity established his first commandment, that no one shall have any gods but him, and it was punished with death. The entire Old Testament is a series of such punishments. The New Testament slightly changes it, delaying the destruction until the messiah returns in his kingdom. The Koran features another series of changes to it, with the destruction of unbelievers being both immediate and prophecied later. Not one allows for the option of not worshipping, they all regard it as evil, against Yahweh.
1.) sick downvote for me trying to have a civil discussion
2.) The Catholic+Christian churches as a whole don't care if you convert or not now- of course they want you to but they aren't like hunting you done
3.)"the destruction" is the end of time in which all humans converted will be in heaven with God and we don't know if Non converts come up with us or stay in purgatory so it's not the way you phrased it at all
1) Don't assume downvotes, there's a lot of people here.
2) The catechism of the Catholic Church addresses this. As of Vatican 2, they officially no longer support using political power to convert, but it was the norm for centuries and is still common. Social pressures are even more common, such as demanding a relatives child be baptized in the church or else losing contact. They care very much.
3) As the numerous changes and updates to the catechism and other official stances show, the dogma is fluid and susceptible to change. They offer no evidence for any of their claims, and reject testing of the claims as a rule. Going by scripture alone (which has also been subject to extreme changes), there is no mention of purgatory. It was wholly invented by the church.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:03:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't exactly say so. The definition of secularism is the separation of government from religious institutions. I can think of quite a few countries that would arguably benefit from such a separation.
Secularism is a funny word, because at face value it looks like it means "no religion". But actually it means keeping religion and government separate from each other.
Hm, but how do you achieve true secularism with religion?
Religions tend to impact politics, they tell their members that abortion is bad, so they go vote against abortion.
The only way we'd get true secularism with religions is if no religions impact politics at all. Like if religions were just happy rituals and fantasizing what might happen after death.
Maybe my definition of secularism is wrong, what i want is for religion to have no impact on politics
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:09 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you only not want it when you don't like its impact?
Secularism is definitely not a fad. You're assuming that since it's a fad, everyone will go back to being religious after a certain amount of time. How can you prove that?
GWS2004 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was talking about the word "edgy".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:31 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure! War is often religious. Responsibility for one's actions are left in "God's hands." Pollution and climate are left to "god's hands" with disregard to the impact of people. Information and science is rejected if not in-line with religious ideals. Politics can adopt religion as a fundamental aspect of their agenda to secure any vote. Religion is the spark for extreme hate world wide. I could go on. I feel like this is obvious.
Sure, WW1, the Korean War, Vietnam, Desert Storm and, oh Hell I'll throw in the Pacific Theater of WWII, were religious. Get your head out of your ass and understand that people kill each other for many fucking reasons. Pollution is due to the fucks in the developing world lime China and India who produce things using un-environmentally friendly methods. And lastly, race is the reason for hate world-wide. And that shit isn't going away.
The Catholic Church (present scandal non-included) has been one of the greatest forces for good in the last 200 years
knayte ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am devoutly religious and enjoy living in a liberal democracy. What do you have against that?
Responsibility for one's actions are left in "God's hands."
This is something you could only say if you knew nothing about people of faith.
wxsted ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War is often religious
Yeah, but not all wars are religious. Nowadays most wars are about resources and inffluence
knayte ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure you've thought this through.
[deleted] ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 11:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GWS2004 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:50:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think the US is secular? We have laws (anti abortion and gay rights and anti-science in education) that are built on religious views and they are very open about stating it.
I will say we are definitely not as bad as other countries, but we are not secular.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:43 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you have homophobic views that aren't based on religious reasons, it's okay! /s
The US is a pretty poor example of secularism. Sure, there is no state mandated religion, but Yanks bring religion into civil affairs like politics and education on their own accord.
Juliakk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:01:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cleaner world, the end of global warming and for their to be no such thing as an endangered animal anymore. Pretty much for humans to stop destroying the planet.
aclay81 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:07:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm late to the party but I will give it my thoughts anyway. I want to see the world come together on one thing, just one, and really that's it. I don't even care what it is, as long as it is a good thing.
I'd like to see the world come to its senses and realize that religion is nothing more than myths and fairy tales so we could stop killing each other over stupidity.
People have said colonization of Mars, I want to see colonization of the Moon. Image a city on the moon, would it have its own government? Would it be a tourist industry or would they mine the moon? Lets set our eyes a bit closer before we move onto mars.
Except distance doesn't work like that in space. Getting to the moon (~16,000m/s of Delta/v) and getting to Mars (~19,000m/s of Delta/v) takes about the same energy. Half of it is spent just getting to Low Earth Orbit.
The difference is that Mars colonies are much easier to become self sustainable. And the gravity (or lack thereof) wont ruin your chances of ever getting home again due to bone loss.
And days lasts 26 hours instead of 15 days.
And there is a tiny atmosphere
And it's terraformable
The moon does have 1 advantage though. There is always a Lunar window. So help is always 3 days + however long organizing takes (which in the current world is at the very best a month or 2) instead of 6 months to 2 years and 6 months away
The moon might be a good staging ground too, like a global interplanetary spaceport. Like you mentioned, most of the energy is spent getting off of Earth anyway.
Kinda like a cruise huh.. Yeah I'm going on vacation, wife an I our gonna do the rings of Saturn this coming spring for our anniversary. Yup definitely a fantastic idea. A vacation I'd definitely look forward too
mtb1443 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:45:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something like the replicator from star trek. A device that can make any item you choose from any matter.
The problem is that society/economy would be vastly altered.
mplagic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see horrendous work conditions disappear and everyone earn a living wage regardless of what they do. Universal basic income would be a great way to combat the changing markets
It really wouldn't, though. The thing is, we're centuries away from the end of scarcity.
In the meantime, as old jobs disappear due to gains in efficiency, new jobs with higher marginal productivities that were previously prohibitively expensive will appear. This has been happening since the start of the Industrial Revolution, and there are no signs it'll stop any time soon.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm how about curing crippling Crohn's disease, please guys lets get on this
A self-replicating carbon-fiber robot shaped like a dragonfly that draws carbon dioxide out of the air to replicate itself exponentially. And when the ambient CO2 level reaches 320 PPM, it stops replicating, flies out over the middle of the ocean, and drops to the bottom of the sea.
Well, the volumes that would be generated, it wouldn't be necessary. Do the math.
1 robot takes in enough carbon to self-replicate in 1 day.
Day 1 - 1 robot.
Day 2 - 2 robots.
Day 3 - 4 robots.
Day 4 - 8 robots.
And so on...
In 30 days, you have 1,070,000,000 robots.
In 60 days, you have 1.15e+18 robots.
Program the first robot so that if the ambient CO2 level is 320 ppm or lower, or 1,000 ppm or higher (to account for naturally occuring CO2 emission sites such as volcanoes), it stops self-replicating and moves to an area of greater than 320 ppm.
Eventually, you get enough robots in the atmosphere that the average CO2 ppm for the atmosphere (again, not counting naturally-occurring "hot spots") reaches 320 ppm. Then they all fly to the middle of the ocean and drop to the bottom.
Some could be caught in nets to recycle into carbon fiber. Yeah, you could do that.
If everything goes to plan it would make my life so much easier and better. If it goes wrong we all die in some kind of hellish apocalypse, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.
Elevation of quality of life for all people on the planet to the level of people in Europe without the people in Europe becoming as poor as India is currently.
The exploration of the entirety of the world's oceans. It's so fast and one of the last frontiers on earth to be explored. I won't do it because I hate deep, dark water.
Computers interfacing directly with the brain. It might happen when I am 100+, but it is in the realm of possibility within my lifetime.(according to certain futurologists)
A few things I think can realistically be achieved within the next hundred years:
Manned mission to Mars
Human level Artificial Intelligence
Permanent shift away from oil/fossil fuels
Sustainable Nuclear fusion
A new form of computing (quantum is the anticipated revolution, but, like nuclear fusion, it is every bit as difficult to achieve as it would be a game-changing advancement).
Not the conspiracy "new world order" type or the hippy "peace and love" type but a realistic one in which we use all of our pooled resources for the goal of furthering the human race rather than its sub-categories. It's pretty much the only way we'll be able to achieve and expand inter-stellar travel and in turn the only way to further our species beyond a short existence on earth. That and it would make solving crises like climate change and food/water shortage easily solvable.
kilour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly with the powers at be won't happen unless their is an existential reason to bring us together, aka aliens, asteroids
A unified Europe, ready to take charge and lead the world forward, in a era of peace and prosperity. Since I belive that the whole world joining ranks will be after my time. I am 22. More of a dream than a achivement, but Europe uniting could be the first step to mankind uniting.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George R.R. Martin completing his books before the diabetes takes him.
A fucking cure for aging. There are too many things I want to do in my life, and I am frankly horrified of being stopped by an arbitrary time limit. I probably don't want to live forever, but I don't want to die a minute before I'm goddamn ready for it.
Drugs: I want drugs to be destigmatized. All drugs should be legalized, especially soft/less dangerous drugs like weed, or psychedelics like LSD, but also hard stuff like heroin. That's the only way to make drug use save for both users and addicts. You should be able to buy your drugs at a pharmacy instead of having to go out on the street and trust random dealers that their shit is clean. You should also be able to get help if you need it and not have to be afraid of being treated a criminal.
Of course, in turn there needs to be better drug education. Imo people should stay away from highly addictive drugs like heroin or dangerous substances like PCP. Prohibition doesn't work. Education is the alternative.
Also, more funding for research into medical applications of psychedelics (like possibly the treatment of depression), plus more research into the actual dangers of all of these substances. No more fearmongering.
I can consume alcohol and nicotine. I should also be able to eat shrooms if that's what I want to do in my spare time (especially because it's the saver alternative, arguably).
I want to live in a world where kids don't have to worry about their family going overseas to kill a bunch of strangers because a bunch of bureaucrats told them to.
I want people to be able to go all corners of the Earth and not worry about being unwanted.
I want world peace.
BlatirA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% adult literacy worldwide. It blows my mind that there are 50 year olds who cannot read at all simply because they never were taught. Imagine trying to do anything on the internet and not being able to read.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's probably a large overlap in the people who can't read, and the population with no internet access
that's what I was getting at sort of. Really though, literacy + free and open internet for everyone would be a hell of an accomplishment for the human race
Not being a piece of shit to each other because of differences in religion, culture, or creed.
I'm not holding my breath.
Kisumu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
xAaaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This man. We are losing way too many good people
katazar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global abolishment of religion. This single achievement would largely increase the chances for nearly everything posted here so far. In fact, most of these would have been achieved long ago if not for the stunted growth of science caused by religion.
Gramage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:44:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent settlement on another planet. Mars most likely. Start off with a small base and keep on sending supplies and people until it can become self sustaining. I wonder if people born on Mars would grow to be abnormally tall due to the weaker gravity? They would for sure have a hard time ever visiting Earth. The Expanse did a good job showing this issue.
Religion taking a back seat to science, cut the military budget by half and use the new found money for education and infastructure.
I would also love to see %90 of vehicles be automated. Maybe that could reduce some of this traffic.
Self Driving Cars, Free education, Resurgence of the Middle Class. All achievable within 10 years if we stop letting corporations dick people over for the sake of profits.
That's not what I'm saying at all. I have no opinion on which should or shouldn't be legal. Alcohol is more world wide accepted drug and it is not even legal everywhere. So why would we imagine weed becoming legal everywhere. My comment is about humanitarian rights, not which drug is superior.
m0rkish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you're saying but, my point is that countries may have pretty solid reasons for making alcohol illegal, whereas weed doesn't really have any legitimate points.
As long as it's for medical purposes, so not smoke.
Tobacco is already a terrible dependency, passive smoking is shit, and we also don't want a lot more drugged people driving than there already are, yes?
(even if a true dependence with cannabis has less chances of happening),
You can definitely develop a dependence on marijuana, but it's all mental. Even cigarettes are 99% mental truthfully. However the urge to smoke marijuana (I say this as a former cigarette smoker, and off and on marijuana smoker) is 1% of that to smoke a cigarette.
(which is a very serious issue that smokers hardly care about)
I was with you until here. Yes smoking is bad for you, but walking by someone smoking a cigarette is not going to hurt you. Full stop. Being in a closed room with people smoking can damage your lungs, not in an open area.
Anyway I agree about the smoking part overall. It's not good for you, and that's why I recommend a vape pen for weed. Edibles are even better since they taste great.
That is, if you take for granted that you are always going to pass by or not have much exposure anyway. In reality, there are plenty of ways to get good amounts, like waiting at a bus stop, or at the school entrance, etc. There are plenty of factors that make passive smoke in open areas harmful and how much. And not always you can "escape" from it, while otherwise forcing non smokers to move out of that human chimney.
Or you know fuck off with telling people how to live.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wellbeing of our societies relies on the moral choices of every member.
marx2k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Morality is subjective, so that doesn't work well
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You stupid fuck
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:08:03 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The morals of a given society, however, aren't. Maybe your morals say it's okay to rape and steal, but if you behave that way as a member of a society that disagrees, it harms it.
Smoking is a perfectly legitimate ingestion method for [medicinal] cannabis. Sure, there are some downsides to smoke inhalation (in general) but compared to the side-effects of all the medications advertised on TV which are somehow perfectly acceptable, the side-effects of smoking cannabis are minimal. Humans have been safely smoking cannabis for ~5,000 years without a single recorded death and we have much safer and more effective methods of ingestion available now.
I would also like to see humans either walking on other planets or colonizing the moon. Any one of these achievements would be a great step for mankind
Being able to talk with my dog. NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me mentioned that technology is about 10 years away from this. A group is already testing the stuff on prairie dogs.
cryospam ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, there is a legitimate argument that second and third world countries do not have the infrastructure for something like this. That argument isn't valid in first world countries. Although, in concept, I do agree with you.
Note the age of it, its written 2 years ago, and no mainstream media have EVER talked about it.
I wonder why? :S
nkduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So wow it's been 16 years if not longer. That's fucking nuts. Good on them, helping people should be priority number one, not feeding a privatized prison system.
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 14:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need to legalize and tax it. It would fix many of the world's environmental, economic, and crime problems. You are sadly misinformed and malicious. I will not pray for you, I only hope you do not procreate. Good day sir!
You'd be surprised how many successful people are potheads. Marijuana doesn't make you a loser, it only helps you become more of a loser if you already are one. I'm a successful pothead, and so are most of my friends.
I agree. Marijuana itself doesn't have to destroy your life, and I've seen some potheads turn out to be high-functioning, but I've seen many more become just blobs
Like I said, they're blobs because they choose to be. I got stoned as hell last Saturday, and built a car port. I would have done it with or without the weed. The blobs you know wouldn't have done it with or without the weed.
356afan ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. You chose to be a pothead, hence you chose to be a loser.
I went through your comment history to see if you're a troll, and you're not. You are however much older than most people on here. I won't call you unintelligent since you stated that you taught at a college (assuming that is true), however your statement about marijuana is unintelligent, and outdated.
When you say things like "drugs = stupid decisions", I see "I don't know anything about marijuana, but I associate it with hard drugs". The war on drugs indoctrinated the generations before us, and unfortunately it stuck with most.
Next time you see someone drinking a beer, remind them that "drugs = stupid decisions". Since, you know, alcohol is a drug.
nkduke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no arguing with people of his mind set. Their set on controlling what individuals do to their own bodies. I bet this dude is a pro-lifer. We're all wasting our time with this relic of a bygone era of thinking.
356afan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well obviously you're not that smart since you're smoking weed.
nkduke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does intelligence and weed smoking correlate? I don't understand the point you're trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is get off your high horse and stop caring what people do with their own minds and bodies. That shit has nothing to do with you or your outdated opinions.
The point I'm trying to make is get off your high horse...
"Neigh, maaaaan."
I used to be one of those people that thought this, but it's pretty apparent that stoners aren't automatically lazy, stupid people. There are tons of potheads that are completely functional and even successful. The stupid, lazy pothead stereotype is outdated.
nkduke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm glad that you kept an open mind. I have met a few of these stereotypical people, but the amount of functional stoners I know is staggering. Some of the smartest people I know smoke, just like that dude in Road Trip. Success is measured differently by different people.
What really made me aware is how many successful and talented people smoke weed. The people I know are generally lower middle class that are relatively successful (full time job, mortgage, married, one or two kids) but there are tons of wildly successful people (rich) that partake in the devil's lettuce. It's just a matter of you controlling your intake, just with any other drug.
nkduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. That's middle class success is what I consider success. I wouldn't hold my standards of success up to anyone else's because that's unfair because we have different standards.
Yep. If someone has a roof over their head and three meals a day, they're successful. There are many people that don't have this luxury. If you're happy, that's successful.
356afan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It affects me when I have students come in stoned and think nothing of it. Love that they DROVE like that.
nkduke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhhh when I smoke I'm a better driver. More patient and cautious. Sober I'm the opposite I'm aggressive and impatient. If you're tolerance is high enough aka you smoke a lot it's not as debilitating as people make it out to be. If these kids are high schoolers or first time/early smokers then yes they are very dumb. If they are experienced adults it's none of your business.
It's a natural part of the human condition. Social hierarchical structures are hardwired into our genetic code, so it will always exist in one form or another.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of poverty, famine and misery. But I dont get my hopes up.
Klyto ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:52:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steps toward a truly Eco-Friendly Earth
Amagora ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a flag that represents United Countries and the declaration of piece under one Earth. Although peace is an idealogy and a lame answer. I just want to see people finally come together and realize we only share one planet together, and that we should learn to live on the one planet we have and move on to colonize others.
The species moving to a plant based diet and rejecting the animal exploited agricultural destruction we are forcing on the planets inhabitants. Oh,and some population control would be nice.
Kathas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's closer then you think
xkierie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want humankind to be able to read a post about someone's bad experience with making love to a fruit and to collectively be able to decide to not do the same thing.
I know this might sound harsh but I just wanna see the fall of USA, they have caused so many atrocities and the government needs a reset. Not trying to cause arguments
I would like to see the fall simply as a major historic blip in time. Like the Roman Empire. However as a Canadian I think the immediate economic backlash of the fall would be terrifying for much of the world who trade with the U.S.
Hmm interesting thought about the borders. I am American as well, and I'd rather live under American rule as opposed to Russian or Chinese also. Although, wouldn't mind Canadian government taking over America though. NHL games would be SICK.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There always has to be a superpower in any specific area, or in the whole world . That basic rule of geopolitics shall never be broken
If the USA falls, others will take its places in its subregions or another country will take its place in the military superpower position . It's the same shit with the lich king in the warcraft saga
Single payer healthcare, that has two responsibilities to its patients.
1) the highest level of care possible.
2) keep costs as low as possible.
They never would need to worry about turning a profit for shareholders or how to market crappy plans as if they where gold standard.
Someone take on the real estate lobby and win.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're being sarcastic, but that's exactly what does happen under capitalism.
If we go from the basic position of capitalism being private ownership of the means of production and distribution based off profit rather than need. Given those starting points it is inevitable that people starve because it's simply not profitable to let poor people have food.
Enough food is produced in the world to feed everyone, yet there are famines every year. Take the famine in Bengal, which was one of the worst in history, yet completely avoidable because the British needed to fight WWII. Speaking of the British, they were the ones to invent labour camps. Whilst western capitalist countries may not have famines (largely due to climate) they certainly cause famines in other countries, or are they just not capitalist?
I've argued with enough communists in my life, I've seen them starving, no medicine, no food, no nothing for them or their family, just a ticket in their hands to pick up whatever the government wants them to have... and still they pump their fist up proud of their archaic and incoherent arguments.
Communism is a disease, a mental disease.
marx2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism is a disease, a mental disease.
You probably should've said this first so I'd waste less time reading your comment
The most recent statistic I have seen is that capitalism has caused upto about 1.6 billion deaths over the past century or so via instigated conflict (The CIA backing insurgent wars in central america to overthrow democratically elected socialist leaders), private companies organizing against unions to the point of assassinating union leaders and attacking workers demonstrations, to starvation and death via thirst thanks to artificial scarcity (the most prominent example I can think was the Irish potato famine). Stalin was horrible, Mao was horrible, so is Peter Brabek the ceo of Nestle, who said Water is not a Human right. There is nuance to everything, I am not a communist, I guess if anything I'm a rational egoist, but capitalism has been just as bloody as communism.
Mini edit: when I have a free minute I'll find the article I read months ago about this. I do not want it to seem like I'm pulling things out my ass.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:10:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not arguing for or against communism or capitalism here at all but I want to point out. There's no page for mass killings in capitalist societies, but that doesn't mean they don't exist, plenty have happened, it's simply that they're less notable because communist regimes aren't as common as capitalist societies.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have a right to have water given to you by someone else for nothing. Sorry not sorry. Just because you need a thing doesn't mean you have a right to coerce someone else -- who obtained, purified, stored, and dispenses it -- to gift it to you.
There are two types of rights, philosophically. Negative rights and positive "rights". Negative rights are those which come merely from others' inaction. We have the right to not be assaulted, to not be murdered, to not be coerced, to not have our property stolen, to not have our speech silenced, etc. They require no action from anyone else, merely inaction.
Positive "rights" are those which require others' action. They require other people to provide something for you. A "right" to water, or food, or healthcare, or education, etc. requires someone to be coerced into providing it to you (unless both parties voluntarily contract with each other, which is obviously not what we're talking about here).
Notice how negative rights don't conflict with one another. Notice how every single positive "right" conflicts with one or more negative rights (coercing someone to provide you something conflicts with their negative right to not be coerced). That's how you know they're completely illegitimate. They aren't real rights.
Or exist till the heat death of the universe in a perfect Utopia.
Live forever or die trying
dabmg10 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why? do babies scare you as well because the fear of AI is ridiculus is no diffeerent than a new person being born. the biggest fear I have about AI is the polititions and religious fanatics who would prevent it being recognised as a real person. Most likely rtificial sentiance would come about through some sort of copying the way the human brain works so its initial intelligance would be that of a baby or mentaly challenged person. I would riot if someone tried to kill it because the advent of artifiacl sentiance is a beacan of hope to me as it could lead from creating a mind to copying one. An AI could survive things no mortal body could so we could begin exploring the stars even if it would take forever.
cmc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:21:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you think a human baby/thinking about the advancement of the next generation is the same as AI? That is a very strange position. I never said anything about killing or denying sentience of an artificially created being. Also in my opinion, AI exploring the stars is not the same as humanity exploring the stars. We would not be the same beings.
MjrK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if they share our morals and our goals, and they help us to advance our interests - I'm not really sure what justification anyone would have to say they are not the same.
If the "person" on the other side of the phone helps you figure out that transaction on your credit card statement while the "person" side-chats with you casually about your weekend plans, what basis do you have to prove that it is not the same "being"?
Well, if they share our morals and our goals, and they help us to advance our interests
This is the problem. Humans don't all share morals, goals or interests. What standard would you apply? And are you even capable of enforcing standards on a more intelligent being? We can't even enforce it on lesser intelligent beings.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans don't all share morals, goals or interests.
Well, when it comes to disagreements, this is why we have a legislative process and we write laws to express precisely which things we agree are OK vs not OK.
What standard would you apply?
The law at least. And I certainly feel a greater human connection with other humans who obey some non-law morals, like: try to avoid lying, try to be kind to others, and keep right except to pass.
There isn't going to be some universal / perfect standard. But, the extent to which the entity's set of standard aligns with my expectations is the extent that I feel we share a common vision for the world.
And are you even capable of enforcing standards on a more intelligent being?
We are able to make a reasonable effort to enforce them. But it might try to find loopholes - just like human-level intelligent humans already do. How is this any different?
The difference is that we already have these same huge problems in the human condition with morality, agreement, laws and cooperation.
And you want to introduce a higher intelligence created with these flaws that we already have no solution to? The difference is that it will simply destroy us. The behavior and processes of a higher intelligent being would be, per definiton, outside of our control.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you want to introduce a higher intelligence created with these flaws that we already have no solution to?
Yes; because such systems can also help deal with some challenging problems.
The behavior and processes of a higher intelligent being would be, per definiton, outside of our control.
Let's not mystify the concept of intelligence as if it's some kind of magic voodoo. Intelligence is an extremely useful tool, but it is not magic.
Collect together as many people with IQ 160+ to work together. By definition, such a group of people is of far greater intelligence than any normal human population.
This group of extremely intelligent people would certainly make for a formidable adversary. If we tried to control them by limiting some critical resource, they might be able to find alternate ways to make more of it; or manipulate us somehow.
But, is such a group "per definition, outside of our control"? No.
And also, why should one even assume that they would be interested in even trying to destroy the rest of humanity.. they might find that they wouldn't benefit from doing that, they might actually find it morally wrong to destroy the rest of humanity, they might just find other pursuits to occupy their time, or they might actually want to help us solve the biggest problems facing humanity... since this is what we asked them to help us with in the first place.
And also, why should one even assume that they would be interested in even trying to destroy the rest of humanity.. they might find that they wouldn't benefit from doing that, they might actually find it morally wrong to destroy the rest of humanity, they might just find other pursuits to occupy their time, or they might actually want to help us solve the biggest problems facing humanity...
Well you are kind of making my point. We don't actually know what "it" would do. Nor would we necessarily be able to control it. Thus we have to somewhat relinquish control to an entity beyond our own abilities. If you are simply talking about a processing unit with incredible computational skills, that's not real intelligence. That is simply glorified supercomputer. I am talking about intelligence that is beyond our own. Abilities and knowledge above humans.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are simply talking about a processing unit with incredible computational skills, that's not real intelligence.
If it does well on human IQ tests, demonstrates creativity and can communicate, then it is "real" intelligent.
I am talking about intelligence that is beyond our own. Abilities and knowledge above humans.
Can you give one example of such an "ability" or "knowledge"?
Can you give one example of such an "ability" or "knowledge"?
For one, creativity and communication are both incredibly complex abilities. We don't even fully understand either of them yet. In fact, we don't even understand a fraction of some of the communication of lesser intelligent creatures. So intelligence that surpasses our own in both creativity and communication, is almost incomprehensible. We don't even posses the ability to imagine it, yet alone design and create it. It's outside our paradigm.
dabmg10 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:03:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it not the same,would they not be children of the earth. Most people feel some manor of pride at worlds space exploration though they have nothing to do with it. Artificial sentience initially would be a copy of the human mind. If you could simulate a human like mind the next logical advancement would be to replicate a fully grown human mind copy a conciousness. A machine could survive much longer than a happy man could and would be able to survive the thousand of years long journey to another solar system. Unless some sort of warp drive is created that is one of the few viable ways to explore the Galaxy.
A decent, safe cure for baldness. I'm fine with the look, but hats don't sit well on me, and at this time of year the glint from my head is distracting.
The annihilation of sucking-money laws in my country, but everywhere else too.
Seriously can't get on my bike and go without fear of doing a little mistake and a shit storm of police men following that.
Few examples: you slip on the road, even if you go slow (I mean, it could happen with a motorcycle) and you get a massive fine cause you lost control of your vehicle. And you could even say goodbye to the driving license too.
Having 0.51โฐ of alcohol in your blood on a 0.50 limit? Go fuck yourself you pay a fine, and a pretty massive one.
And FUCK those little pricks with radar guns hidden around the corner waiting impatiently to fuck you up.
This is probably unlikely, but warp drive. It opens up a whole new area of space for us to explore that we could never see before due to technical limitations. Warp drive I think would also utilize wormholes if I'm not mistaken which would already be pretty cool by itself.
Human equality, competition in the isp marketplace and healthcare that focuses on the health of the people rather than profit of the already wealthy.
Aka; human decency... I'll show myself out...
mountjo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To have some form of universal minimum standard of living. I'm on the waiting list for an IPhone 8 but kids still dying from not having access to water. I just picked out a magazine about golf clubs and some people do not have even the most basic medicine.
I really want to see how far we can go with VR and AR.
VR has the potential to take over as the primary source of entertainment for the majority of people.
AR has so many applications in our world its crazy. Imagine wearing glasses that have an inbuilt interface that acts as your personal assistant.
I feel like this is one of the most underrated pieces of tech out there, and may even have the potential to replace phones. Not straight away, with the way the tech is currently (see hololens), but soon enough to be surprising in the grand scene of things.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion.
Food gets cheaper, internet gets faster, lights stay on longer, houses get cheaper to air condition and heat so windows get bigger. Rocket fuel gets cheaper. Traveling in cars gets cheaper. Shipping gets cheaper.
Pretty much everything that requires electricity gets cheaper.
RheagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you live in Ontario Canada, the Liberal govt would find some way to spin that it's really expensive and f$&@ its citizens.
Unfortunately automation will save capitalism. There will still be a class that owns and profits from the robots, and the rest of us getting a basic income.
The alternative would be social ownership of the robots, where everyone benefits and classism is eliminated.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
humans landing on and colonizing mars.. which is a pretty safe bet if you live for another 20 years
Uploading conciousness to a computer, so that my lifetime doesn't have to end until I want it to. That way, everyone can see every achievement on this thread!
automated driving. the concept blows my mind. Going from NY to Fla without paying attention and how fast you can get there if you never have to stop if only for gas or a charge.
Unlikely but Space Elevator would be my only serious achievement I'd want to see. Once we have Space Elevator, all of our Solar System gets a hell of a lot closer to us (energy-wise at least).
The possibilities would be endless.
And not just entertainment. Also like wheelchair bound people could experience walking in this world. Or surgeons training a difficult surgery.
So much to explore.
Definitely the cure for cancer. or at least better management for it. Obviously it has gotten better in detecting and improving quality of living for a number of them but I'm talking about all cancers. I get that it's probably unrealistic but things like pancreatic cancer or brain cancers. People can be diagnosed and pass away within weeks. It would be amazing if we would be able to prolong and improve the quality of life of those who suffer from it.
The infrastructure (that already exists in developed Nations) to support global veganism and a dedicated effort to reclaim all the land destroyed from deforestation and animal husbandry.
I'd love to see an ability to keep our current wealth and growth rates, and bring 1st World living standards to everyone, without putting an unnecesary strain on the enviroment.
The creation of replacement organs that don't cause transplant rejection.
scigs6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A legit flying car. Not one that needs a runway. I want to take off from my driveway and fly to work
Cuish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could pull a Doc Brown and say "Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads."
Demojen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human biological immortality. You could still die from a car crash or diseases, but you will not die of old age. Your cells will not shut off and you won't ever get cancer. By the time human biological immortality is possible, cancer won't be a problem.
Cuish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scotland becoming an independent country.
loletos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding out that we're not alone in this universe.
I'd definitely would have to say, that would shock the NFL fans all over the world.
I'm from Ohio and I'm a Giants fan since I was a little boy. An Cleveland has always been a laughing stock imo. They lack poor management. They've had talent but fail to continue to build around or add to it to succeed in making a good team
Edit. One more thing, the Steelers an browns games use go be really good to watch.. However they've became worthless to watch. Not as good as they use to be unfortunately.
People being able to discuss their ideologies without ripping each other apart. Politics being about what they're supposed to be instead of everyone having this identity politics issue that makes them think anyone who disagrees with them is evil. Just people generally being able to discuss their differences civilly.
Universal income so that people can actually do what they feel inside is there calling instead of just working a job that they have to to make ends meet.
Although this is incredibly unlikely to happen within my lifetime, I would like to see a full AI takeover on all jobs along with a generous universal income. I feel this would actually allow for people to enjoy their lives and focus on what makes them happy, rather than working their lives into the grave.
I think it would be awesome to see ftl ships before I die. Or teleportation. Space colonization would sweet as well. A space elevator would be cool. A cure for all disease would be fantastic as well as immortality. A matter resequencer would be the bees knees.
Even that dream is far away, limited by the money I have to buy a proper PC and buy into the game :(
fr0st2k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People learning to think for themselves. To use critical thinking when they need to make decisions (and it become natural, not challenging). Not to be satisfied being a drop in the sea of others, but to challenge their potential and strive to not only HAVE dreams, but to pursue them.
I want to live and see most humanity live free and good although I know world peace is not easy I want to see as much countries agree and live in peace as I can before I'm moving out of this world
Full VR, basically living in another dimension with endless fantasy worlds. Add brain extraction and immortality for the brain and you've got a real afterlife in VR when the body has died.
Growing replacement human organs in a lab. They're doing this now using the donees stem cells, so no rejection. Is like to see it on a large scale within 10 years.
I'm torn between the "Cure for Aging" which would inherently also cure many neurological conditions, cancers, etc.
AND Scientists discovering life on another world. I think this is an essential perspective humanity needs to evolve to another stage in society and may influence far more progress than even I can imagine.
Remember that only 66 years passed between the first flight and the moon landing. I'd be overjoyed if that much progress on space flight occurred before my death.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widespread Intelligence. Seriously, our nation needs to step up and make an effort to educate ourselves about our planet and our role here. It seems to me like ignorance really has become bliss. I don't want my kids having to work twice as hard because my generation and the ones before me sit on our thumbs with logical and true issues right in front of us.
Immortality. If I die before my mind can be uploaded to a spacecraft that will orbit a white dward star for the next 100 billion years with billions of other minds where we have power over own reality and the ability to visit each others realities, I will be pissed.
anh86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer and neurodegenerative disease are probably the two biggest non-lifestyle-related barriers to extending human life.
I'd also like to see breakthroughs in clean energy production (solar, wind, geothermal, nuclear fusion). I think that would have a huge impact on our world not just in preserving a livable climate but also in reducing conflicts over natural resources that may one day destroy the world. We don't really fear nuclear annihilation today like they did during the Cold War but all it would take are bombs in the hands of one crazy person with nothing to lose.
Ample leg room on airplanes. In fact, let's just go with business class as the minimum standard yet only costing the price of economy.
And let's add scramjet engines to planes too.
Can open.... worms everywhere. Now let's add 30min check in for domestic and international flights.
And airplane toilets that are big enough.
Fuck it... free booze, an all live sports channel, a table tennis table, bowling alley, fairy floss machine, hot buttered corn-on-the-cob cart, JK Rowling doing a live read of the next Harry Potter book, exclusive movie premieres, pinball arcade, a recreation of the Globe Theatre, cute puppies and kitties to play with, and an unlimited supply of whoopee cushions.
Oh and seats that don't recline. Stop forcing it back and hitting my knees, you bastards!
Sorry if it's been said already but a cure for diabetes would be brilliant! Treatment has already improved so much over the years but it still causes so many issues later on in life
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similar to what people have been saying, but I'd love to see the establishment of an international space program between the leading countries. Think NASA but between all the leading powers.
Europa mission where the robot is actually swimming in the underwater ocean. Whether life exists there or not is one thing, I just want to see us get under that ice and see what's there.
Lazlaza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace including global disarmament. Seriously, there's no reason this isn't a reasonable goal, all people not to stop doing is being massive assholes.
In America (Bay Area, CA) we are indentured servants because of the high cost of housing. The owners / banks have you by the wallet. A huge chunk of your life is spent throwing $$ into somebody else's bank account. I would like to see people working for other things in their lives instead.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avoiding the impending extinction due to global warming
I'd like a useful brain-machine interface that would free us from having to use any screens and keyboards. Information would flow from a continuous data cloud to your brain -- no more commuting, no sitting under florescent lights, no more 50 hour 'work weeks' in a shitty office. You, your brain, and the world. No limits.
Human rights for all, general world peace or mutual understanding of differences, decreasing global warming. Thats three things, but, I think this could be a huge list.
JUCrumb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of organized religion and its stronghold on how Americans are supposed to live their lives.
The pseudo-VR we have now would absolutely pale in comparison to true brain stimulation.
It's probably not going to happen anytime soon because we would need to basically know everything about the brain, and we know next to nothing right now.
The end of all political corruption as we know it; a world where all governments put the needs of their citizens first instead of their own. I guess I can keep dreaming on that for now.
Reasonably efficient sustainable nuclear fusion. Pretty much all energy problems solved. The only major remaining uses for fossil fuels would be for aircraft and plastics.
lqcnyc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really, really want to find evidence of intelligent life (or even any life) in the universe. That would just make, well, everything worth it to me. It would change everything.
Human Population Control, for the sake of the our species and our planets survival we need to regulate the Global Population +/- 2 Billion max - theres just too many of us.
Clean, fresh drinking water
3, Free efficient energy production
This will seem odd but if sea levels are going to rise I want a network of channels dug through the african and australian desert to begin the process of making it workable land.
In fact I want to see this anyway
And then we could build sustainable cities where each city had a glass pyramid in the center that was a train station, and had solar panels
I would like my country and it's population to remember and be actively knowledgeable about History, especially of it's country. People act like they haven't experienced harsh ideologies and offensive material. I remember in the late 90's and early 2000's how everyone was freaking out over Rap and Eminem and such. Yet here we are, overly sensitive to every little thing. We're a sad pathetic populace sometimes. (USA)
At least in the USA, a shift to fewer standard work hours per week for everyone, including low-income, hourly, and salaried workers. Using our technological advancements and increases in productivity to give everyone more time to live instead of more time to work and produce.
Eliminating gas powered vehicles. Making Solar/Wind/Water or other renewable power sources the status quo.
McVeeth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally getting rid of stickers that are impossible to remove from every day products. We've got a long road ahead of us but I do believe we can some day get there.
world peace. i know its a cliche but just stopping this madness. stopping weapon Production and stopping this power thirst. we are all humans and we all want basically the Same. trying to group People and killing each other for some dust and stones is stupid.
An end to slavery. It seems slavery in some form goes back to the begining of civilization. I feel we will never deserve to be called civilized as long as human slavery exists in any form. Unfortunately today it is one of the fastest growing black markets.
Hitler is resurrected and tries to take over the world with his undead army. However, his plans are thwarted by Burt Reynolds. Seriously though, dementia, Alzheimer's, and cancer need to be cured.
College Tuition and Books at a price where it's no longer an excuse not to go to school because of cost.
Something only slightly more expensive than the local public high schools to where no one leaves in debt. Leaving school $30,000-$100,000 in debt is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.
Mastery of the public education system, and availability to everyone in the world. Most of our problems would be solved if our basic education system actually did its job. The problems of the future will be better met by well trained minds.
Affordable housing everywhere. As someone who is going to have to look into that market in a few years, it seems impossible for anyone to ever but a home themselves.
xeoron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised no one has said it yet. FTL travel. Even if it was at the very end of my life, I want to die knowing Humanity spreads like a virus across the galaxy.
Either that or discovery of "eezo", so I can die peacefully before the Reapers arrive to harvest our DNA.
I'd be happy with a better solution to mental illness of any form. Being able to see more in depth of what the problem is instead of throwing pills at it until it's "manageable" to live with
If we can sustainably grow good to feed all the people in North America using farming and GMOs. We could help hungry people in most corners of the world by 2025.
Also, MJOLNIR armor would be nice too.
ebbu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want apple to go banckrupt. They are saving themselfs by investing in eth but they still deserve to go.
I want to see the regret we will have for blindly & ignorantly pushing forward into AI. They will say "we should have known" & "if only we stopped back in 2017"
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be able to download my brain.
I believe this is how humankind will achieve immortality. If I can store my memories, personality, etc on a jump drive and then transfer it to a machine or synthetic human body, then I am effectively immortal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the ability to turn man into a sentient pickle
Tofflee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first human colonization in space or on another planet is something I've always wanted to witness/be a part of. Also, if there is other life in the universe, I'd like to witness humanity's first contact with them. Hopefully that is not the same day we humans go extinct...
Commercial space travel. I want to set foot upon a new habitable world, just to say that I have seen the future of mankind- to spread across the stars. But I don't know I'll be able to see that beauty in my time.
cure for MS. also a production car to hit zero to 60 in under 2 minutes...I think this will happen within 10 years though since the 918 I think was at 2.3 which is mental.
Faster than light transportation. FTL means we have broken the bounds of earth forever and have essentially made our species immortal. It will mean that we have access to what is effectively unlimited energy. With unlimited energy we can create unlimited quantities of any element, we can solve all food problems, all medical problems, all economic problems. Unlimited energy means we're in a post scarcity economy. FTL would mean that our species would only be limited by the scope of our own creativity.
Seeing an active decrease year on year in emissions and a reduction in temperature due to a combination of renewable energy sources and carbon capture. The political infrastructure that would have to be in place to ensure that this would take place would be a crowning achievement in itself.
Full fledged nuclear power for space ships, cities, satellites - paired with the ability to utilize its waste to its highest potential and least amount of harmful waste.
I'd love to see biospheres on other planets created by us. We'd take animals from here and give them a new world too. If we're jumping ship, the least we can do is bring the whole crew with us and not abandon them.
It's not going to happen with poverty and different religions still being a thing, but world peace. I'd love to be apart of the human identity, not a ethnic culture or country. A group of individuals who have achieved prosperity and have used it to jointly aim for extraordinary goals. We should be aiming to expand into our galaxy and universe to explore its fullest potential
JmmiP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to aging. Then I'd be able to see any advancement I wanted
A world free from fat people in addition to the creation of cigarettes/cigars that don't cause a thousand types off cancer, make your teeth turn yellow and mess with ones skin complexion etc... I simply love Camel Blues and American Spirit yellows too much, it's been a damn shame to let them go from my life.
Also the formulation of proper educational systems that nurture critical thinking, foster problem solving and harbour creative endeavours, maybe throw in some basic politics + health (physical/mental) + environmental awareness as these will surely become more important in coming decades.. Humanity really shouldn't waddle into the next century like a rabble of misinformed & uneducated sheep, little or no good will come of that.
JR_1985 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of the electoral college here in the states and universal healthcare like the rest of the developed nations
true enlightenment. supposedly, the age of enlightenment started to happen in the 18th century, and we as a society still believe in gods, angels, superstition, jinxing, luck and fate, plus we are still well too easily misled, lied to and victims of deception, marketing and spin.
supposedly we're enlightened for more than 200 years now, and on top of that we live in the information age. and yet, fox news is still very successful and we have someone who had lied himself into the white house.
so yes. please achieve some real enlightenment, humans.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dortmund to overthrow Bayern
simiAnd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are too many (in no particular order, and, more importantly, not limited to), but hey, overambitious hopes, right?:
Basic necessities for all which will solve world hunger, thirst, and homelessness. These don't have to be extravagant, obviously, but the bare minimum to help people get by day to day.
Cures for the countless diseases we face
Efficient and effective clean, renewable energy with no harmful byproducts (because the reality is production of renewable technology is still harmful, and even if fossil fuels were absolutely clean, they are a dwindling and economically unsound resource)
Clean-up of our pollution, I'm talking about all of it (at least the pollution we create) affecting the air, water, and land. Everything starting from production, to transportation, to usage, and to disposal (especially
landfills)โit has to be cleaner at all stages.
Successful rehabilitation of inmates to enter back into society with no chance of returning to imprisonment
Safer means of transportation
Space travel and colonization. Earth is only so much for a growing population. Added, if we don't die out from each other, then the most prominent object, the Sun, in our solar system will do it. If we can colonize and alter other planets to satisfy our survival needs, then our species' survival will be assured.
Educational and medical needs fulfilled without massive profits in mind (speaking of which, hopefully profiteering will not be as big of an issue in our future)
World peace. We've achieved so much over time, but if we unite as a species, I truly believe many of the prospective achievements discussed here could be reality. Competition will and can still be possible, but the one, overlying motive would be to propel humanity. Plus, if we were ever to get attacked by aliens, then we can say at least we humans stopped attacking each other and defend one another.
NK problem dealt with cooperation from other countries. The regime's leaders trialed and jailed for life and the refugees situation handled with care and re-education. It will definitely not be an easy task and will require a large amount of time to fully flesh out.
Immortality, we may all have different opinion on afterlife but living longer to experience other wonders that this planet can give you and to be with your loved ones longer.
gorgb23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me finally getting on an airplane ๐๐
showri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People not working for money.
(Star Trek)
Biotot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space tourism
This may be wild but when I retire in 40 years I'd like to go to a space hotel. Not expecting anything too fancy. Just a week in a space station with a great view. Hopefully space travel will be available to many levels of physical fitness.
For my kids I'd hope they'd see more.
I'm curious how 0-g retirement homes would work for the elderly if you didn't plan on returning to full g.
Possible a small spin so they could live at .1g.
Decent health care in the US with affordable pricing. Including dental in that. I don't expect us to get back to a Single Payer system in my life time (I wish it would happen, though) unless Bernie turns into a benevolent Jafar and takes over or something, but decent and affordable health care of for EVERYONE in the US would be great.
A cure for cancer.
Cancer took away my dad way too soon. He was always super conscious about his health, watched what he ate, and would exercise daily. He ran marathons, being the New York marathon his biggest achievement (in regards to running). He loved nature and taught my sisters and me to appreciate and respect wildlife. He was a geologist and besides his regular work at an oil company, he taught geophysics at the main university from my birth country (Venezuela). He was beloved by his students. My dad also loved everything related to space and astronomy and was a huge fan of shows like Star Trek, not to mention Star Wars. He was always in awe of technological advances, always trying to keep up with what was coming up, and never shying away from new technologies but rather embracing them. He grew up poor, so he would always go out of his way to help those in need, and taught us the importance to pay it forward. Prostate cancer took him away too soon when he wasn't ready because he just loved life.
Cancer also took away my best friend, when she was just shy of her 41st birthday. She was the most outgoing, loving, and beautiful girl that would always look out for her family and friends. She left a 12 y/o and a 4 y/o by the time of her passing.
There is not a day that I don't think of both my dad and friend. It's been three years and I miss them terribly. I feel like a have a huge void in my heart that will stay and sting me forever.
I can't believe with all the advances in the sciences we still have not found a cure for this devastating disease.
Regulations on population and child birth to the point that more people adopt. Sustainable energy to the point were no longer using destructive energy and fuel. A base on a different planet.
3rain3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see humans achieve rising above hatred! No KKK, No hate crimes, No Discrimination, No Alt Right groups! I know at least for the next 3 and 1/2 years that won't be accomplished but wouldn't it be amazing!
You realize that the KKK was founded by The Democratic Party, right? And you're acting as if it's the Alt-Right are the only ones committing hate crimes, hatred and discrimination.. Which yourself, is being discriminatory and hateful towards the right-wingers, quite sad. One way you could make the world a little more peaceful and less hateful, would be by accepting the fact that people will always have didn't beliefs and opinions from you, and how to live and attempt to understand why they believe that way, which you are failing in this field it seems.
And I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but, as long as man has free will, there will never be peace. And are you willing to rip everyone of their freedom and liberties, to try and achieve peace? Cause that's the only way to create peace, is to take away individual thoughts and freedoms. Talk about a crappy, dull place to live, if that's what you would call living, being a drone to a totalitarian state.
Rebuilding entire bodyparts like in The Fifth Element. With how far we've come with 3D printing in such a short time, what I used to brush off as scifi now seems plausible in the next 50 years.
Sending people to Mars. Unfortunately, this planet is becoming too small, way to fast for everyone. The human race needs to expand into space out of necessity. It's either that, or we wipe out roughly half the population to prevent mass starvation and famine that will eventually hit.
Space travel for all individuals. I want to see a world where everyone can hop on their spacecraft and warp to another Galaxy. Also, warp speed travel.
A living world RPG where every NPC acts based on dynamic motivations, all of them simulated in real time regardless of player proximity, and this is the core basis of the game rather than just window dressing.
Viable nuclear fusion as a power source and the EM drive being actually used
jubgles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extraterrestrial life.
I'm not one of those nut cases who believes that "the government is lizards and are hiding aliens".
I think just knowing that Earth is not the only place with life would bring in an overwhelming desire to explore, and leading to scientific breakthroughs. I want to believe that the human race would benefit from it.
Establishing a Space Based Economy would be interesting. More specifically, Lunar operations. But a more immediate hurdle would be a working Fusion Reactor or other reliable and renewable energy source.
I want to go to space. So basically, I want space travel to not only be accessible to the super rich public, but absolutely a part of life, such that things like space tourism are like booking a cruise.
Human colonization of our solar system. A unified world government or the beginnings of one. Slowing, halting, or reversing the effects of aging. Medicine advancing to the point of knocking out the most severe diseases and illnesses. Sustainable fusion power and the widespread use of it. An end to fossil fuels for transportation.
Too many to list out here. NOT an unrealistic utopia!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M A R S Mars bitches red rocks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery and exploration of alien planets.
Greecl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A viable Mars colony, robust universal health coverage and care for >90% of the world's population, the eradication of the polio virus, 99% survival rates in cancer patients, flourishing post-scarcity states driven by good policy and great minds, reversal of the late 20th century global religious extremist movements, and the gruesome deaths of the global ultrawealthy class.
I want to see defeat of aging. It is possible to stop and reverse human aging, at least theoretically. The first human to eventually turn 1,000 might already be alive. Read the book Ending Aging by Aubrey de Grey and Michael Rae.
Make all religion subject to the laws of science. You are allowed to talk about the supernatural only as things our ancestors and not-so-educated people believe in.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real 5G internet. 5G running from small satellite dishes on people's houses creating a gigantic network of 10+gbps connections would allow small startups of less than $200k investment to become new ISPs. The ease of becoming an ISP and the competition that would result would truly FREE us from cable monopolies. If 5G becomes a reality, we would pay less than $30 for a 1gb connection, 10ms latency and no data cap.
I would like to see people living on a different planet other than earth. With sustainable water sources and growing food for people to eat. Also liveable housing spaces. I think that would be so neat....
A colony on Mars. It's so much more attainable than people seem to believe, not to say it's easy, but it would be the greatest human accomplishment, and I believe it could bring nations together in a way that we haven't ever seen.
Well everyone thoughts vary,
Well I want to see human kind achieve many unimaginable achievements in my lifetime,they are
1.Obviously immortality
2. Masses respecting classics
3. Rape as a rare crime, having the ugliest punishment of exile alone on pluto
4. Religion explain science and science explains religion completing a full circle.
5 . Quantum mechanics completed
6. Having a spacehouse for weekend on Moon๐
North Korea become free or something like that. Open borders. Eradication of the camps. That stuff. I used to hope for things like exploration of our universe and such. Now i just want some kind of political calm. And a time where anyone can travel freely to see the entire world without borders and politics and terrorists being a block.
This is the start of a space opera where you each rule disparate galactic empires bent on finding ways to finally kill each other after the last time she wanted to watch that one rerun of Friends and you wanted to just stare at the black screen drinking a beer.
Iโd like to see fully functioning biotic replacement body parts. As of right now there are some out there, however many lack things like the ability to feel.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World acceptance that maybe we can all be a little different yet still love and care for one another.
Also, fuck murderers and child molesters.
cr0ft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be awesome to see humanity seriously begin transcending capitalism and realizing we need a cooperation based system. It's going to be annoying to die knowing humanity is killing itself in the long run with our current system.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see humanity united. Perhaps it's not the most realistic goal, but I feel that only by working together can we achieve what we're capable of.
garedw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans all agreeing not to destroy the earth as a whole. (Climate change, extinction, everything)
Also a true understanding of living process from a multicellular point of view. Basically, we still know close to nothing about the human body and the function of everything.
tune345 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A afforable laundry machine which can fold cloths.
De-nuclearization across the globe. There's lots of ways to almost kill us off and make the world pretty damn inhospitable, and this is still the worst. The threat of global nuclear war is pretty low right now - which means it's the perfect time to try and take steps to insure it goes away entirely.
The United States to stop being scientifically illiterate by funding and supporting forward thinking advancements such as bio-engineering, genetic modification, etc without argument.
zunahme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Healthcare
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zero calorie bread, pizza and cake that taste like the real thing but zero calories.
I don't think any money or much effort would be expended to just have people be respectful to each other. Attainable and it would benefit everyone.
ak1368a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New way of drying cloths. For centuries we've been using evaporation, which requires a lot of energy due to the thermal capacity of water. A method that physically removes the water without damaging the clothes would be much more efficient.
I want to see mankind keep climate change from running our planet, while simultaneously lifting the poverty line and advancing technology.
Jame5G ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lunar colony.
c4_Pak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Implantable artificial kidneys.
fooliam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A manned observation/research mission to take a close look at Jupiter's moons, particularly Enceladus.
Yeah, a manned Mars mission would be really cool, but we know a fair amount about Mars as it is. And most importantly, Mars is dead.
Enceladus though, Enceladus has liquid water. If there's somewhere else in this solar system where we're going to find life, Enceladus is our best bet by a wide margin. Getting a manned observation mission to Enceladus might completely change everything we know about biology, evolution, and the very nature of life. That would be YUGE.
And before you ask "Yeah, but probes?" Robots aren't people. They don't do a great job with things that they haven't seen before. A robotic probe might swim right by life on Enceladus because it might look like something we've never imagined, and so have never told that robot to consider as possibly alive, never told that robot to investigate further. People though, we're great with new things. We're really good at making those intuitive leaps from "That's unusual" to "Holy crap, that's alive". So, people on Enceladus would be, potentially, destiny-altering.
Underwater city. If we're making palm tree shaped islands out of nothing I'd really like to be able to buy some underwater real estate. Fuck rising sea levels.
Xaxxus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About 10 years ago I remember watching a show on discovery. There are people who pay to have their heads frozen when they die. Hoping that one day when we are able to grow human organs and body parts they can be revived.
I'd like to see the ability to revive someone from death.
I think that I would die happy if I felt like humanity would understand the meaning of equilibrium, and on a path where nature isn't seen as something expendable.
Cash091 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to find life on another planet. Not bacterial life or anything small... but I want to find an exoplanet between 40-60 light years away from us with intelligent life.
There are a few potentially habitable planets within relatively close range.
I want to see science understanding why quantum entanglement happens. That's some topic that interests me in a way that barely any other topic in any subject or genre does.
You ever see the Futurama where they had moldable robot blanks that could be made into any person you wanted? An army of Kate Beckinsales would be fantastic.
Public space travel. It won't happen but it would be so cool and I would go in a heart beat. Shit I've even told my family that if there was a never return trip to somewhere in space. I'd take it. But I know I'll never get that chance, because I'm in no way qualified lol
To rise above squabbles raised by imaginary lines drawn by nations. To eliminate personal interests in policy making decisions of the world. To unite as one world who can agree upon what is best for all humankind, and the world we live in.
katazar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would not complain if this is the only one achieved from all the ones listed here.
mikalif ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
kilkil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any of the following:
successful human landing on Mars
"human-level" AI (unlikely)
prosthetic limbs that function better than organic limbs (e.g. an artificial hand whose fingers move with greater precision)
Either the successful 3D printing of meat, or growth of meat in a lab, such that the taste and nutrients are at least as good as those currently obtained from living animals
a sustainable way of harnessing energy either from nuclear fusion, or from antimatter.
doubling of average human lifespan
near-complete automation of all basic roles in society โ resource gathering, waste disposal, etc โ which would hopefully lead to a post-scarcity society
Intergalactic/faster than light travel. Dyson sphere. Universal healthcare/income globally. Materialize/de-materialize organic or inorganic matter. And I guess whatever the next stage of human evolution is.
Why do we even need political partys? Can't there just be people with ideas? Let's just vote on issues rather than reputations.
I always wonder how many people would have actually voted for Trump if he wasn't affiliated with the grand ole party. And lots of people would never ever vote for anyone in the other party, simply because of affiliation, regardless if they had good ideas or not. I hate to see people ignorantly vote for someone based on their party's reputation instead of their core ideas.
A healthy personel and social life that is not disturbed by media or any social propaganda. A world where you live by will rather than rules set by a government.
High quality, AFFORDABLE medicine. The fact that it could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars to get treated for something like a snake bite is both horrifying and rediculous.
I read your name... but its true! We had a fella who tried to get it approved by parliment but the greenies kicked the vote truly mate it could be revolutionary we wouldnt have to lock up/kill refugees anymore people would actually start to like imagrants more
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said no because some stupid dessert lizzards would lose there ecosystem and it would cost to much, the first bit is true but who cares put em in a zoo i mean fuck and the second bit is just short sighted. Also it would take away nutrient rich water from the great barrier reef but we could easily fix that with a water treatment factory in the right spot. This would actually benifit the gbr greatly instead of relying on mother nature to care for it we would have too
The rate of which things progress at keeps getting steeper and steeper. From first steam trains to flying in 100 years, from flying to putting a man on the moon in 65. From large cumbersome computers to personal computers that fit in a box in 30 years, to a web connecting milions of them in less than 10.
I wish we find out a way to, if not become immortal, atleast get to live for a few centuries.
I'm sick and tired of seeing all these people mentioning space travel. We have enough problems on this Earth. Let's try to cure cancer first. Fuck Mars it's a bunch of rocks.
yellur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing the environment is the obvious answer, so i'll pick something else. Hmmm... I would say establishing a fully functioning colony on Mars with at least a few thousand people living there.
Humans getting past religion. I feel like humans could be living on Mars right now if everyone could just get over their imaginary friend and focus on actual problems instead of persecuting others because they don't fall into the format they think their vindictive asshole god wants.
Religion being over come and removed from the for front of humanity. Just bring their for some spiritual people to believe in, but not used as a factual, or taught as such. Purely a collection of moral stories that made it through our history.
Expect I'd have to live to at least 400 though... Guess I'll settle for mars landing/anti aging ( So I can live to 400).
Mankind accepting that eating meat is immoral when it's unnecessary and raising animals for food is detrimental to our planet. So from there we make a rational decision to go vegan.
browsit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Formal proofs that can be used to filter all the crap on the internet. It would show when people are trolling, lying, or just not using logic properly. Perhaps this would finally put an end to people accepting things like 'that offends me' as a response to a valid discussion point.
I was born in 1999, so I've known war in the Middle East my whole life. Although it doesn't directly effect me at all, it would be nice to see that come to an end. It would be something I've literally never seen before which is amazing to me.
I don't know about you guys but just a human on the moon again I think would be awesome. Or something that puts everyone back into the exploration attitude we had when the challenger rockets started launching.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyberpunk-like body replacements, most specifically replacing complex parts like the spine. Or some kind of regenerative therapy, regrowing nerves and/or discs.
I want to sustainably solve poverty. There are some basic human needs and it is definitely not a resources issue. It is definitely something achievable with the existing tech, it is simply a question of logistics.
Lab meat being a thing and thus displacing any type of animal killing. Also many full precise models of animals brains / bodies so scientists don't have to kill more animals for the next makeup thing, among others.
End world hunger, sustainable energy, end to pollution of our planet, greed and selfishness wiped from the foundation of humanity. You know, the small things.
chummed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. My sister has lived almost all of her life with it, and it would be nice to see her and all of those who share the unfortunate disease with her have a cure.
Planetary high-speed internet for free. I want to be able to get the same connection speed at my house in the country, in the grand canyon, on top of mt. Everest, etc. In the same vein though, I would love to see instantaneous quantum communication and sophisticated commercial quantum computers. I think the next leap in computational technology will be what makes A.I. possible.
Baije ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone, every single person acknowledging The VHEMT and stop having kids.
neizan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High energy physics has been, loosely speaking, at a standstill for the past 40 years since the development of the standard model, and the unification of the electromagnetic, weak nuclear, and strong nuclear forces. We are a long way from a complete theory which would have to (at least) include quantum gravity, but which may either subsume supersymmetry, or string theory, or have a completely different theoretical foundation.
P.s.: The discovery of alien life, perhaps on Europa, or Enceladus, or in subsurface water on Mars, is a close second.
P.p.s.: And a necessary pre-condition to developing such a theory is that we don't all die from runaway global warming / nuclear war / ecosystem collapse / strong and malignant AI in the meantime.
sebaz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people stop being dicks to each other.
I think it would be cool if someone developed a piece of technology that can target and detect disease, and measure the overall health of a human every single day. Even tap into things like cholesterol or hormone levels. Just a universal and instant health monitor that internally and externally measures ones health and even provides suggestions on the steps that need to be taken to get better or improve. Just a cool thought!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting 99 in a Runescape skill.
LazlowK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using money spent on military actually spent on clean food and water for every single human on earth.
MinerZB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone not having to pay for or having to pay much less for medical bills, glasses, water, food, etc. All of these things we have to pay for, or we die, and that is because of greed.
A relistic orbital living situation or a solution to lightspeed tansport for long distance planetary travel (I know this prolly won't be in my lifetime, which is a shame. I'd love to be around for that. This Planet is quickly out producing the abilities of our planet.
Bonus: Universal Income as we become more automated.
I want to go to the moon affordably before I die and I want to see us off this rock and on other bodies in our solar system. Being tied to this planet leaves us very vulnerable.
I would like to see mankind reintegrate death sports back into society. Also, I'd like some ultra extreme sports to be developed; HorseDiving, for example.
Everyone talks about mars, but I think a full sized lunar colony needs to happen first. I hope the sixth branch of the US military becomes space command and they make it happen.
I honestly don't know what is reasonable to expect. I'm hoping for something like casual interplanetary travel. Colonies on Mars and whatever.
I'm inspired by the changes that my grandparents experienced in their lives. In my grandmother's life she went from horses being the peak of transport to her travelling on jet planes. She was born in a house made of stones and dirt for the most part. The year she was born was when radio broadcasting became a thing and she owned a cell phone when she died.
Technology has advanced so rapidly these last 100 years that I hope our lives will be so drastically altered in our own lifetimes that we see our world change instead of the incremental changes that people saw happen before. My grandparents saw the world change in this way and I hope we get to see it as well.
I just hope the last decade of my life isn't dominated by a chaotic or harsher climate. I want us to figure out how to keep the planet habitable to a lot of humans
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plant trees
Lots of trees, from as many different species as possible
Find a way to plant as many trees as possible with the fewest cost per square meter
Find a way to directly profit from planting trees, that does not requires "government subsidies", in the form of carbon taxes, for example
Find a way to profit from increasing the animal biodiversity, the fungal biodiversity, the bacterial biodiversity, and the plant biodiversity within this forest
Raising forests and raising the biodiversity, motivated by profits, is how we will be able to keep the planet habitable for us
We will break the mass extinction barrier, causing both the largest and last recorded mass extinction event. It will be caused by a petty argument over which of some things are better than the others.
I always wanted to see a black president but I didn't realize how easy that would be. Now I want to live to see a really really gay president or super model president, I want to see all the differnt types of Presidents.
I'd be happy to have a device that records the last 15 minutes of my thoughts, because I have a hard time remember, and writing down my thoughts, especially after having a deep discussion or conversation.
The end of slave and drug trades sounds pretty awesome. I heard a line from drunk history that goes something to the tune of "Say you own the sun, say you own the moon, the stars and the heavens above, but do not say that you own a man because long after the sun, the moon and the stars have died out, his immortal soul will live on."
bliz213 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 11:58:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reconstruction of the US election system, one that doesn't include the electoral college.
ccjmk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:41:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lol at the idea that the Paragon of Democracy has something else from direct election of candidates. I understand that representative democracy is a sort of necessity when population goes beyond the thousands and we just can't get together to directly rule over stuff. But representative election is.. just weird.
This is much more likely to be enacted than the Federal Constitutional changes required to actually get rid of the Electoral College, but it will have the identical effect.
zurkog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:01:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to change the Constitution; it's easier to get individual states to agree to a compact:
If all the states where this is pending in legislation agree, plus maybe 1 or 2 more, then it'll have the effect of awarding the presidency to the winner of the popular vote from then on.
Just because the population is more dense in an area, a popular vote system would result in the culture of a huge portion of the country being underrepresented if at all. The system was put in place so that large cities don't have all of the power. Being from Wisconsin, I'd like to actually have a say in our electoral system, and I like it when a candidate actually campaigns in my State (as opposed to New York, San Francisco, and maybe Austin)
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About what? Ignoring the last election entirely, the electoral college has got to go. Even if Hillary had won because of the electoral college I would be calling for it to end.
Stupid constitution and the stupid founders wanting states represented in federal matters.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Do you know nothing about history? The electoral college was created because, at the time, a direct vote of the people was unfeasible (way too many people for that to work). Thus, the electoral college was created as a proxy in lieu of a direct vote. However, a direct vote is now possible because of modern technology. Direct vote is always more representative of what the population wants than a proxy representation system like we have under the electoral college. Had this been possible back then, the founding fathers would have also opted for a direct vote.
I love our constitution, but as with all things, it can become outdated. Society has progressed and changed in ways they could never have predicted. Keeping up with the times is important. This is why changing the constitution is even possible and why certain "hacks" were worked into the system from the start so our highest laws could be flexible with time.
Abolishing the electoral college would essentially allow a few major cities to dictate the entire direction of federal elections.
With the electoral college, rural areas get a say. What is best for people in LA is not what is best for people in rural Kentucky.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:10:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolishing the electoral college will allow each person one vote. Every person deserves their share of representation. What's best for the few people in rural Kentucky may not be best for the much larger number of people in other parts of the country. Kentucky still gets to have its state elections and its local and state representation. When it comes to the country as a whole, the entire population should be represented. Trying to weight things towards the people in rural Kentucky is not doing what's best for the nation. In addition, places that currently don't get represented (like say the republicans in California) will now be properly represented. Every republican vote will be counted rather than being silenced in blue states.
You have your own fair share of the representation in your own state. Your state government affects your life much more than the federal government. The federal government is suppossed to deal with interstate relations and foreign powers. Not micro-manage your life. Imagine if the European Union ran that way. Germany would be pushing their ideals on every other country due to their high population.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See that's my argument exactly. State government represents the wishes of the people of the state. The federal government should represent the people as a whole, which is what the executive branch was set up to do. The electoral college weights the result by state. Getting rid of the electoral college allows for a president that represents the nation as a whole.
The United States is huge. Just like it would be horrid to have one country like Germany dominate the entire continent with it's cultural values. It would be horrid to have states with large numbers of city folks push their values on rural sparsely populated states.
The federal government should not represent the individual there is a reason states have borders and local governments, it should represent the coalition of states that are practically their own countries. Different geographical locations have different needs. The electoral college makes sure those needs are met.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking it would be worse to have those few rural folks push their values and ideals on a much larger group of people who may not share those ideals. If the majority of the population feels a way, that way should be represented in the executive branch, as it was intended to be. This is why the legislative branch is supposed to represent the feeling of each state. One is for the states and the other is for the people as a whole.
There federal government should absolutely represent the people, just as the legislature should absolutely represent the states. The electoral college was only put in place as a proxy for direct vote because that was not possible at the time.
It would be worse, but they can't thanks to the electoral college. Which prevents them from dominating no matter what their population becomes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erm, no the electoral college weights towards those rural votes. It's without the electoral college that the rural folks can't outweigh the voices of the larger part of the population. If rural folks (or lets say their ideals) were shared among more of the population, it would make sense to have those ideals be proportionally represented. You got it backwards.
It only weights toward rural votes because of their lower population. The larger their population gets relative to cities, the less weight they get.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if we did not have the electoral college, as their population grows, they get more representation, which they SHOULD get if there are more of them. This is why direct vote should be happening.
Right so now the argument is back to where it started.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, the electoral college shouldn't exist because the executive branch is meant to represent the population as a whole, not the minority. The minority gets representation in the legislative branch.
The three branches represents the country as a whole, not the population. The country does not only consist of big cities. The will of the majority would keep the minority from ever being heard if they were only given marginal say in one of the branches like you suggest.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The country does not only consist of states, it consists of people. This is why the legislative branch gives representation by state and why the executive branch is SUPPOSED to represent the will of the entire populace through their vote. The only reason the electoral college was put in place was because direct vote with that many people wasn't possible back then. If you weight the election of the president by state, like the electoral college does, then you are not representing the nation as a whole. As you even agreed, the minority should not be able to force their ideals on the majority. The majority gets the executive whereas the minority gets representation in the legislative. This is the balance.
And no, what you are saying is not true. All branches check one another. The minority should not get overrepresented in both. They already get representation in the legislative branch, which is significantly more powerful in internal affairs anyway.
The country does not only consists of states, it consists of people
Which is why we have two governments. One to represent the states (the federal government) and one to represent the people (state governments).
The executive branch is SUPPOSED to represent the will of the entire populace through their vote
I agree 100%. Thanks to the electoral college, the entire populace has their will represented. Without it, only a fraction of the population is heard.
The only reason the electoral college was put in place was because the direct vote with that many...
This is false. I've taken U.S. History in college. The Electoral College was designed for two reasons:
1) A buffer to keep the population of being swayed into making the wrong choice. This is different than not having the technology for a direct vote. I find this point debatable TBH since it only works if our own politicians didn't fall for the stupid partisan game that the founders never intended. But it's not the more important reason.
2) As part of the Constitution compromises to the small states in order to allow their voice to not be drowned out by the larger ones.
Look the Electoral College itself is not the problem. The real problem is how the electors are chosen which has nothing to do with the College. The states refuse to use proportional representation to determine their representatives and use a winner take all method. The reason they don't is because any state that does not will have the advantage over them. That is what we need to strive to change. That is where the real disenfranchisement is occurring. Removing the Electoral College and resorting to direct vote would only bring up new problems.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without the electoral college MORE of the people are heard. It's the fraction that is not heard, which is better than the minority being overrepresented. This conversation is becoming circular. I know what you're saying, I simply disagree with it. Those smaller states shouldn't be allowed to sway elections like they have. It should be a direct vote so it is proportionally representative. It still wouldn't be tyranny by the majority because the legislative branch gives state representation.
The US is a republic. Not a democracy. It is a Coalition of states. The states determine who runs the federal executive branch.
I assume you also think the 17th amendment was a good amendment, too.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The republic does not go away if we allow a direct vote at the federal level. The legislative branch should be handled differently from the executive branch. One is for the states and the other for the people as a whole.
And no actually, I have issues with the 17th amendment. It did address some real problems, but has its downsides as well. So I have a mixed opinion ultimately.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The legislative branch is already set up by state. It's representative of the states. The executive branch has the president, who is supposed to represent the people as a whole.
Abolishing the electoral college would essentially allow a few major cities to dictate the entire direction of federal elections.
That's basically what we already have. The votes in a few states actually decide the results of the election because all the electoral votes for the majority of the states can be pretty safely assumed before the votes are even cast.
The electoral college was created for the exact purpose of preventing unqualified candidates from being elected to the nation's highest office in the event that the system went awry. If it functioned at all, it should have prevented Trump from becoming elected because he was obviously going to use the position to enrich himself at the expense of anyone/anything else since that's what he's done his entire professional life and continued to do in the White House at Mar-a-Lago.
A representative republic is a hard concept for you to grasp. I understand.
dryj ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you wouldn't lmao
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I absolutely would. This is a position I've held since long before this most recent election. There are many reasons why it shouldn't exist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool
Rojo424 ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 15:22:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary had won
ftfy
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erm, k? I'm typing on a phone and it autocorrects sometimes. Really pointless correction. If you get the idea then no need to correct on this forum. But here, I'll fix it just for you.
Rojo424 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Intelligent discourse requires a standard system of communication. Be open to gentle corrections."
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:35:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In general, this would apply only if the error made the message confusing. Otherwise, it's generally a detraction tactic used to steer away from the point of the conversation. I'm a critical writing tutor with exceptional grammar and I've studied communication extensively. Generally in this discourse community, it's more conducive to discourse to let small errors slide. As I said, phone autocorrects and quick typing are going to produce minor errors here and there. It's distracting from the conversation to needlessly make corrections.
Edit: oh Reddit, your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. When I first joined I was like this guy, correcting people's grammar all the time. After enough rebuffs and some solid arguments about why that's really superfluous on an informal discussion site, I changed my ways. Now, I'm getting downvoted for defending that preference. I guess it's okay if you're not the ones being corrected. Stay classy, Reddit. Damned if I do. Damned if I don't.
zsephut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'M a CrItIcAl wRiTiNg TuToR wItH eXcEpTiOnAl GrAmMaR aNd I'vE sTuDiEd CoMmUnIcAtIoN eXtEnSiVeLy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erm, k? Not sure what you were going for there. It doesn't make what I said false, you just don't seem to like it for some reason. As I've said, damned if I defend grammar and damned if I defend conversation over grammar. Whatever, Reddit. I don't care anymore.
zsephut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're British, stop saying "erm". If you are British, consider stopping. I'm actually on your side regarding the needless corrections, but you got kind of irritating in your lengthy argument against needless corrections. This is an argument that's been had countless times in countless forums over the past 20+ years. Also, stop referring to the rhetorical "Reddit".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're on my side, what was with the childish response? And no, I won't stop either saying erm or referring to Reddit, which plenty of people do. Stop trying to tone police me. If my point was logical, it's presentation should not have mattered. Too bad if you thought it was irritating, though I don't really understand why. It wasn't that long and it was a good explanation of why corrections can be needless. And I don't care how many times it's been had, it was an argument between me and a specific person who was needlessly trying to correct me. Clearly he either hadn't seen those other arguments or hadn't learned from them.
You frankly sound bratty. "I don't like your specific way of speech so I'm going to send you a snotty, nonsensical response!" Stop.
Personally, I think people are individuals, so what state they come from doesn't matter. I'm from California and I'm not so happy with the fact that my vote counts a third as much as people in underpopulated states.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:50:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Damn it our side lost in these elections that everyone knew the workings of for decades! That's it, time to change the rules so that only the correct side wins!"
Not necessarily. But there are a lot of people who will bandwagon that idea. They tend to be the most vocal, and least informed. But that does not skim the fact that its the debate has been ongoing.
THis is always only brought up by the losers who want to change the rules because they feel it will let them win next time. This is as pathetic as it gets.
gohone1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Out of the like 5 times a president has won the electoral college but lost the popular vote, it had occurred twice in my lifetime, both times benefiting the Republican Party. I'm not a democrat, but it's obvious that gerrymandering is allowing the Republican Party to misrepresent the will of the constituents. To make the electoral college work, all the states would have to adopt the process that occurs in Maine and Nebraska, where they split the electorates by voting district instead of a winner-takes-all system, simultaneously you'd have to make permanent districts that aren't susceptible to future gerrymandering.
tl;dr:
electoral college sucks 'cause of gerrymandering and it sucks regardless of party preference.
Except this supposed "popular vote" is only from California, and it's very large non-citizen population that can still vote for some retarded reason because IDs are racist or something. It's the united states, California doesn't get to decide for the rest of the country, that it views with nothing but contempt.
Rojo424 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:28:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, that's really not how it works. Even if non-voters vote, CA isn't the only state which has non-citizens, and polls among citizens of CA still show an unshakable democratic majority. The real issue is winner take all. CA is around 30% republican. That means ~30% of its electoral votes should go to the Republican candidate. But under the bullshit winner-take-all system, all those votes go to the Democratic party due to majority and that 30% is never represented. The same happens in pretty much every state except Maine and Nebraska, though sometimes Democrats are unrepresented, sometimes Republicans. I'm not even sure why you're bringing up CA non-citizen vote in a talk about the electoral college.
BEcause the whole point of the system is to ensure that politicians cannot ignore the concerns and needs of people in what Americans derogatorily call "flyover states", as Mrs. Clinton found out.
but why should what someone in ohio wants be more important than what someone in california wants?
gohone1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Non-citizens can't vote in the general election regardless of the state they're from. In California specifically, you're auto-registered when you get your driver's license, but they make sure you're a citizen at the dmv, and I wrote a solution to the electoral college issue that isn't just a straight popular vote, so tbh idk what you're on about.
Have a gander at "tyrrany of the majority". Whatever your feelings about an isolated event in 2016, the electoral college exists for a very good reason.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 10:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tesla using petrol engines in their cars. Just like God told us to do.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:51:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a little joke, my friend. I happen to know some people, let's call them old school car lovers, who can't imagine car industry heading towards all electric vehicles and V8 powered road warriors. Personally I think that Tesla builds outstanding cars. Design wise.
And then a storm, a fire or a flood hit and you need to get the fuck out of town FAST and go a few hundred miles to shelter/family etc. Electric cars and public transit can't help in those situations and millions more would be dead every year when these disasters hit around the country. They simply aren't practical except as a second or third car for people who can afford them. People in rural areas often travel several hundred mile round trips multiple times a week as well. Stopping for a half-hour to recharge once or twice a day in the middle of a trip is a waste of time. I'd say (conservatively) that closer to 20-30% NEED to be able to travel long distances with limited planning for day to day living and business and another 40-50% want the option for convenience or crisis. I drive 450 miles to see family several times a year. (there's no way in Hell i'd buy an electric car just because of that.
It doesn't matter where you're from - you said the most American thing on this thread. You're now an honorary American. Here's your badge, don't forget to pick up your camo baseball cap and raised pick-up truck on your way out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot about the flag and I Support Trump sticker ;(
I would like to see at least half the world population abandon their belief in superstitious and supernatural claims that have not and in many cases cannot be proven. I would like to see at least half the world population start to care whether the beliefs they hold are actually true and to take the steps to figure out whether their beliefs are actually true instead of assuming its true because that is what they were taught since early childhood. I would like at least half the world population to start to rely on critical thinking and logic and epistomology in order to construct a worldview that matches reality as closely as possible or find a method better than critical thinking and logic and epistomology in order to do so. Whatever method they use should be testable and proven to be reliable at discerning fact from opinion.
I never said if this happened it would necessarily lead to a utopia so I do not know where you got that from. I do believe it would be a step in the right direction. We could debate how big or small a step that would be but I never claimed it would end all problems. I didn't even mention how much of an impact I thought it would have I only answered the OP which is what I would like to see happen. I didn't get into why I wanted to see it happen. So please do not presume to know my motivations or put words in my mouth when I made no indication as to why I wanted to see this happen.
True, we'll still be cutting each others' heads off, but at least it will be over iPhones or some shit, something tangible, not the approval of an invisible sky daddy.
This is really beyond my energy to get into, but I would encourage you to think very seriously about the practical results of destroying community bindings like the church in the first world, rather than the idealized or absent results you imagine.
We've been "destroying the church" for 400 years or so now, and frankly, only good things have come from it. The Age of Enlightenment - science, technological progress, reason - is hopefully here to stay, and I pray (not literally) that your side is down for the count.
Science cured polio, not prayer, and it's science that powers the computer that you can type your nonsense into, not God, or any other bronze age cult invented by illiterate goat herders 2000 years ago to make sense of the forces of nature they didn't understand.
Religion had its place in our history, but it really is time to move on, truly.
Why is it time to move on? Do you think that things will be better when the most uniting thing many people have it gone? Do you believe that it will make people kinder and more willing to help each other? What shall determine morality other than ever-changing culture? Is science really anything other than a dictionary to humanities story?
Also you should check your history, the Bronze Age wasn't 2000 years ago in the majority of the world.
I understand. I'm an atheist, and I used to say exactly the kinds of things that you're saying right now, with the same smugness and laced assumptions, virtually word for word.
Belake12 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really see how this is condescending. I would hope people cared enough about what they believed to figure out if its true regardless of when they learned it or who they learned it from. Isn't it good to question what you've been told and not blindly accept it? Don't people usually frown on gullibility? My entire OC could be summed up to say "I wish people were less gullible and instead had good justification for what they believe". I only mentioned childhood because most supernatural beliefs people hold happen to be taught to them at an early age. That is just an observation not a judgement.
I also do not see it as privileged to care about other people's beliefs. People act in accordance with their beliefs and you and I share space with the rest of the people on this planet. If people hold a belief that instructs them to act negatively towards me for any reason I would hope they had good justification for that belief. I don't even have to make it personal. As an empathetic social species should we not care what happens to others? If people hold a belief that instructs them to act negatively towards someone else or a group of people for any reason I would hope they had good justification for that belief as well. And if they did not have a good justification wouldn't the diplomatic course of action be to point out that they have no good reason to hold such a belief so that they stop their negative actions of their own accord instead of creating conflict by trying to force them to go against the beliefs they still hold?
Perhaps I am privileged in the fact that I am in a position where I can take the time to consider these things. Someone in a situation where their entire focus and attention is towards their immediate survival would not have time to care about such things. In that regard I am privileged but I do not think that is what you meant by your comment. If it was then I agree I am privileged. Then would it be wrong of me to waste this privilege I seem to have and not care about those that are not privileged and only care about myself? Wouldn't a good use of the free time I have be to think of ways to better this world and by extension better the lives of those that are not as "privileged" as myself? You seem to criticize me for being privileged enough to have the time to care about others beliefs as if that is a bad thing. I think having the time to and not caring anyway and instead only caring about myself would be the bad thing.
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[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no dog in this fight, nor care what either of you believe. But for someone who claims to not care, you spent too much time telling /u/BANMEAGAIN009 how much you don't care.
admit it...you care. even if it's just the tip's worth...you care.
Well ofcourse you fucking idiot. Along with you, anybody you have ever cared about or anybody you have eve layed eyes on. They all become distant memories thst eventually get replaced. Thats life and it makes ot even more beautiful when i tell you that your ideology is fucked, your biology is disformed and weak along with your bloodline thsy is running on borderline autistic. Knowing tht im gonna die and eventually their will be a day where nobody on this fucking rock matters makes it even more sweet to tell you to go fuck yourself. Good day sir:)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tips fedora
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! This!
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:46:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol there's no law that says primaries have to be fair. If they wanted to they could just skip the primary process altogether and pick their candidate themselves.
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Well, obviously we would end up with a disgraced former president and Pence would become the new man in the WH. After that, things would still not be getting done on the Hill, but there would be a somewhat more sane individual in the leadership. Then in for years Al Franken would be CIC and all would be well.
Check his record. Just because he used to write for SNL doesn't make him the last bit unqualified. No less than a ranting, ignorant real estate mad man.
Tschoz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:26:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War is inevitable
Bullshit. Every war is inevitable, if you're not lead by emotions like greed or lust for more power. There has to change something fundamentally in us humans to do that, but it's possible.
War is just continuation of diplomacy when all other options have failed. War is not some event that exists in a vacuum - it's just what you do when the other guy doesn't do what you want them to do. It's just fisticuffs on a nation-state level, that's all.
Trying to "stop all war" is idiotic for the same reason that trying to "stop all arguments" is idiotic - unless you can fundamentally re-program human nature.
But it's a feel-good thing to say in the age of feel-good-bullshit, so here's your paper gold star trophy for playing, Timmy, good job, we're all very proud of you, now sit down.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A time where the,decent,well mannered and intelligent can come together regardless of political view,sexuality,religion or race to actually solve the real problems in this world. I'm of the belief that we can do much by ourselves but we can do much better with some good collaboration and a wealth of knowledge. Everyone has something to teach, we also need to quit bothering ourselves with existential questions. This is simple. The meaning of life is to die, the thing that matters is what you do in between. "Why are we here?" The answers are simple: to reproduce and then die. You bother yourself with the definite then you miss the indefinite. You were too busy looking at your phone to notice the hungry man begging for food you weren't paying attention and missed the woman who would have been your wife. The details of life are the most important things in it.
Main problem I see with this achievement, which problems are "real" problems? Why is your point of view automatically the correct point of view? I happen to agree that there's no real reason why we're here except to continue our own existence, but we're in the minority. Why is a hungry man my problem when the system is what allowed him to go hungry in the first place? You raise more questions than you answer.
Exactly my point asking questions and getting answers only raises more questions there is no finite meaning of life there is no purpose these are human constructs to occupy time
So your solution to the current political mess is to replace it with an existential mess? Something tells me you didn't really think this one through...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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oxfay ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:25:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like all those rich white people getting into Ivy League schools because their parents and grandparents went there.
garhent ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well all white people are rich rite? I mean all white people got it so fucking easy compared to all poor black folk. All black folk are born in chains and can't find a work due to their race and there is never a successful black person rite? Poor black/hispanic/white/asian anyone not of my own race because they can never succeed in America due to "privilege".
America decided to deal with discrimination by racially discriminating. Its like trying to cure the AID's epidemic by telling people to use abstinence, because no one ever has sex out of marriage or cheats.
It's exactly that, a perception. It isn't true. A person has to meet ALL of the other requirements, and race can't be a factor in NOT accepting someone, which is they way it was done for decades. It doesn't mean that black people are first in line, it means that black people get to be in line at all. All of this can be explained via a quick google search on affirmative action. It's so clear, but people against it won't bother doing the research because it will mean they have to find something else to complain about.
BTW, It was totally news to me a little while ago that Black people don't pay for college. Seriously? I have $75K in student loans from undergrad and Grad, does that mean I don't have to pay any of it back? People actually believe this stuff without even bothering to verify. If someone says something that can't be verified by at least 3 reputable sources, it probably isn't true.
Race is extremely a factor in accepting someone. You take a slightly more qualified white male and a slightly less qualified black female and the black female is getting in 9/10 times
Again, read up on affirmative action, this is a myth that has been circulating for awhile, and isn't close to being true. It can be verified. You don't have to take my word on it.
Even more, your argument assumes that a while male is inherently more qualified no matter that the job is. You just assumed that a black female would be less qualified automatically. In addition to reading up, you should evaluate your own bias. Again, you don't need to take my word for any of this, go read it for yourself.
First of all I have read up on affirmative action, it allows colleges to selectively choose applicants of different ethnic groups that have less measurable merits than other applicants in the name of increasing diversity. It allows race and gender and orientation to be a factor in college decisions, (only in accepting more diverse students). This is a fundamentally unequal practice.
Also he gave an example of a white male being more qualified then a black female and losing a job anyway. An example that has been demonstrably true in numerous anecdotal and statistical breakdowns all over universities and workplaces. This example was made to prove a point which you ignored completely, instead lecturing him on the bias of his example, completely missing the point that THE EXAMPLE WAS MEANT TO SHOW BIAS. I guess I should use your same argument, examine your bias and search outside of your echo chamber, take a look at the facts and ask yourself as objectively as you can if this is truly a fair or equitable system.
I wasn't saying the white man is inherently more qualified I thought that was clear. It was just trying to show there is a need for elite universities to have that diversity
This conversation was 5 days ago, you didn't prove anything, I have a life.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be a great day when affirmative action dies.
Mr-Frog ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, check that off the list.
Ttokk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:38:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a particular invention, but I really can't wait until Battery Technology reaches a weight to power ratio that is outrageously better than it is now.
There are so many applications that don't even come to mind because you automatically assume something needs to be heavy and bulky if it's going to be powerful or have a battery that has a decent amount of energy.
Think of the quadcopters and drones and electric insects and things people will build when a bumble bee sized robot can be powered four weeks on a battery the size of a BB
Electric bikes and skateboards will turn into the mopeds and motorcycles of the future. Just imagine when the Heeley fad comes back around, kids will be whipping around and getting road rash on their six horsepower shoes that last for a week.
obtrae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see affordable, self-driving cars that are powered by solar energy, readily available to the community. Right now it seems really far away from Africa.
I want to see global warming reversed. Whether that's from halting the damage through clean, renewable energy or finding a way to scrub carbon from the atmosphere, I don't really care but I can't see any other human achievement really mattering in the long term if this one isn't done first.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:40:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefly Season 2
gcanyon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:48:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The safe development of molecular nanotechnology and human-level AI. Both are inevitable, and either could easily be the end of mankind. If we get past both of those I think we will have passed the great filter. We are either going to see the best or the worst age of human life, and I'm not sure I like our odds :-/
I would love to see a smaller gap in rich vs poor. The poor should be more taken care of and the rich should not be able to horde hundreds of millions the way they do now.
The formation of the United Federation of Planets. Realistically, maybe not planets, but at least the unification of all nations in the search for and promotion of peace.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full communism
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want people to live a life exactly as I think they should, with no room for change or improvement. I know what's best for everyone, and I base my political opinions on that knowledge. I want everyone to wear uniforms and stand in a SINGLE-FILE LINE for bread. What else could I possibly mean by communism?
Globalization. This silly patriotism thing has gone far enough. We know our actions affect others. So do policies. I'm fine with separate countries and cultures, but it's time for an overall, universal constitution (for lack of a better word) and set of rules which we abide by-like not fucking over the environment, your neighbors, or our collective future.
The defeat of greed. I realize greed isn't going away, like ever, but I'd like to see it knocked off its pedestal. I'd like to know what it's like to live in a society where everything isn't quantified, where the sweetness of life isn't constantly reduced to the colorless all-color of money.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indefinite extension of natural life.
RevJT ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A form of transport less painful than commercial flight. I can't remember the last time I took a flight that wasn't miserable. I used to travel far more often, and it's because I didn't have to endure what feels like a fight at both ends of the trip.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 12:38:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism
edit: with one word I sparkled a heated argument, had one of my most downvoted comments and was gilded for the first time. What a fun day!
You mean like what people have been worried about for the last 200 years? We're still here and people found new jobs. Until technology can competely replace all jobs it's not really a problem and we're nowhere near that
That's what the current system is. Everytime minimum wage is brought up I always hear something to the affect of meet your replacement and it's just a tablet. If we don't make the switch to a system where the work place is controlled and manged democratically by the workers, automation would bring us back to a form of feudalism.
There is so much wrong in your statement I don't even know where to start. But then again you are uniornically and unashamedly a communist, so your relationship with sane reality is tenuous at best.
What's to be ashamed about wanting a society that mirrors Revolutionary Catalonia or the Ukraine Free Territories? Do you have something against democracy, because communism is inherently making the work place democratic.
communism is inherently making the work place democratic
Please, stop, my sides can only take so much...
I'm not gonna lead you on: I don't debate neo-nazis or communists, I just mock. If that's okay with you you're welcome to stick around comrade, otherwise go gather what at your communal farm.
That's what it is. If you want to ignore the fact of what communism aims for then that's on you. But if you think a democratic work place sounds like a good idea then you're some kind of socialist. You should actually read The Principles of Communism instead of letting the Red Scare hysteria dictate your opinions.
You mean like what people have been worried about for the last 200 years? We're still here and people found new jobs. Until technology can competely replace all jobs it's not really a problem and we're nowhere near that
kabloems ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 12:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 13:08:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am from USSR and there is absolutely a huge amount of people who wish for communism to return, mostly Russians. Not 1920-1950s style totalitarian communism, but the life we had in the 1980s was not horrible. Life was without a doubt more stable and plentiful under USSR than 1990s when communism fell. I would say maybe 60% of people in USSR are nostalgic for those days.
HOWEVER talk to anyone from Poland or Albania or Cambodia or Ukraine about communist days and they will have VERY different opinions than those iRussians in USSR. They never had revolution, Communism was invaded into them and forced.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay; firstly, we were talking about ex-communist countries, and the claim is that Venezuela is socialist now, not in the past. Secondly, Venezuela still has private ownership of land and the means of production, which is the most basic definition of socialism.
Sort of; I'm saying that although Maduro claims to be socialist, and he may have implemented some socialistic policies in the past (which, incidentally were pretty successful) the system is still capitalist, which is why Venezuela is failing.
Most polls are made from a very capitalist standpoint, so the questions are sort of set up. This post on reddit, with citations is on the positive side, whilst the first results on google being fairly disingenuous, asking questions like "do you value freedom/democracy" rather than actually asking straight questions.But even those polls suggest support for communism in places like Poland and the Czech Republic.
It's also wort bearing in mind that there are many different varieties of communism. By the end, the USSR practically had state capitalism. I think many more people would support other forms of communism, like the post-scarcity communism of the FALGSC meme.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a complicated question but it mostly boils down to the inherently undemocratic nature of capitalism which will inevitably put as many barriers in the way of direct democracy as it can.
A big example of this is how large sums of money are needed to run for president/ have a political campaign.
Not if you possess even the slightest knowledge of history. In fact you only need to look about 100 years back in the mirror to understand how communism is a completely unmitigated disaster of genocidal proportions.
Look someone did not understand my comment at all. Hi there.
Let's just assume you are right. Communism is simply not achievable because reasons. That does not mean that a communist society is not something positive.
This is a hypothetical quesiton after all. OP would like society to reach Communism. You say that is not possible and ends in genocide. Alright, but this has nothing to do with the point.
If I commented "I would love to see humanity achieve world peace" would you also comment that this is not possible? Jesus Christ you are not really being undercover atm.
Let's just assume you are right. Communism is simply not achievable because reasons. That does not mean that a communist society is not something positive.
How can it be something positive when we have so much evidence to the contrary? Communism and communist thinking is the most murderous experiment of the 20th century by a long shot. Nazism is some toddler shit compared to the human atrocities communism is responsible for. It has lead to hundreds of MILLIONS dead, slaughtered, starved, tortured, displaced as a direct result of communists trying to usher in this "utopian" idea by force or any means necessary. I mean it doesn't even sound good on paper, nevermind how it works out in practical reality. Communism is fucking dangerous, due to the mechanisms of how authoritarians can allow it to slowly creep in and take hold over populations. It subverts entire societies, in cancerous ways, and once it has metastasized it becomes impossible to remove without massive bloodshed. Communism should rightly be shunned anywhere and everywhere it is mentioned. It is a cancer of humanity. The last 100 years is bloody proof of that. I wish people weren't so damn ignorant of history.
Many people aren't ignorant of history. They're in denial that their beloved idea doesn't work.
I, personally, get where people are coming from where they want an equal society. But one of the major flaws is that it makes everyone equal, regardless of how hard they work, and that's how it fails because no one is going to work harder to improve themselves or society. If they want equality, they should be pushing for equal opportunity where everyone starts out equal and has the same opportunities, but those who work harder are rewarded more fairly.
Exactly right, equality of opportunity, or also called equality under the law. It's a classical liberal principle, and something we have striven hard to achieve in western democracies. But communists believe in what is referred to as equity or equality of outcome, where everyone is supposedly equal regardless of effort or merit. This is completely and utterly incompatible with human nature. It destroys the human spirit. It destroys productivity, innovation, liberties and rights. It's the most retarded idea imaginable, even pre-school children understand the inherent unfairness in this concept, yet it's at the core of communist doctrine. Believing in this concept of equity must require some sort of serious mental defect, it takes all but a couple minutes of thinking to understand why it is completely and utterly doomed to fail.
Obesibas ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's just assume you are right. Communism is simply not achievable because reasons. That does not mean that a communist society is not something positive.
No, the selfish and greedy assumption that you breath and therefore deserve the fruits of somebody else's labor is what makes a communist society not something positive.
Yeah you are right, no one deserves the fruits of someone elses labor, communists would probably agree. So why do employers do all the work while the CEOs get all the money? Over the last decades the salaries of the average CEOs multiplied again and again while the average entry level worker still earns the same.
The easiest way to make money is with the money you already have. If you already own a big enough business you earn more than the average worker ever could just by breathing and existing.
Yeah you are right, no one deserves the fruits of someone elses labor, communists would probably agree. So why do employers do all the work while the CEOs get all the money?
Because 1. that isn't the case and 2. employees sold their labor willingly. Nobody is entitled to a car, but if you buy a car you own it. That is kind of how trade works. If you buy something it is yours.
Over the last decades the salaries of the average CEOs multiplied again and again while the average entry level worker still earns the same.
Which isn't a bad thing, since poverty levels keep going down. World wide poverty is lower than ever before and the standard of living has increased tremendously all across the board.
The easiest way to make money is with the money you already have. If you already own a big enough business you earn more than the average worker ever could just by breathing and existing.
Yes, because some people magically find a big business under their bed. Just appears out of thin air based on luck.
I don't believe anybody can make it. I believe becoming successful is a combination of luck and talent. I am also not being used in the slightest, since every job I ever had was 100% voluntarily and all of them will be in the future.
Indeed, and you always meet this argument when talking to communists, I usually just link this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c . Completely debunks that dumb fallacy.
errv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that video is based on false assumptions from the start. It assumes Communists are trying to create a utopia, which they're not. Commies believe that socialism is when the means of production are controlled democratically, and this societal change will happen through a revolution, just as capitalism cemented its dominance through revolution. Communists believe that eventually, socialism will resolve the inconsistencies of capitalism, and eliminate the state, money, and classes. That's the definition of communism. It's not the government owning everything, and it's not a capitalist or socialist state ruled by a Communist party. Communism is simply a society communists believe will arise in the future, and will not have money, a state, or classes.
Yeah, and that's what every "failed communist state" has attempted to obtain each and every time.
I'll admit, the idea of communism sounds great, but what good is a nice idea when it becomes a dictatorship where people are starving?
You may think I'm some hyper capitalist that benefits from the "slave labour of the poor" but believe me, I'm not. I'm just a normal, realistic guy that's able to recognise facts. If there were examples of where communism had worked, I'd be willing to give it chance but there's not.
errv ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:31:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point though. Communism hasn't been tried, so there's no examples of it failing or succeeding. What I think you mean, is that socialism has repeatedly failed. If you are looking for a success story, look no further than Thomas Sankara. He was the leader of Burkina Faso, and within 4 short years he accomplished a great many things, making huge strides in education, women's rights, and food security. Within 4 years, Sankara made his country food independent, reversed desertification ended female genital mutilation, and made basic education mandatory for all children, girls included. At the same time, Sankara reduced pay for government employees, removed air conditioning in government buildings because regular people didn't have access to it. These are but a few of the achievements of Sankara, who unfortunately was assassinated after just 4 years by the French for nationalizing the mining industry in Burkina Faso.
Sorry for taking so long to respond, I wanted to check this guy out. It seems like he did some good things. However, the problem I have with him, and most other communists/socialists, is that they have to do it through authoritarian regimes, often killing innocent civilians who oppose the regime. Personally, I don't view that as a success.
Now, Thomas Sankara may have been a good guy, but he had totalitarian power with no freedom of press. His successor may not have been that same good guy that Sankara was and totally abuse the power. Imagine someone like Putin taking his place.
So, in my eyes, it's not what communists do that I dislike, it's the fact that they usually achieve them through authoritarian means.
errv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree authoritarianism is bad, but no there's no reason socialism has to be that way. It's not like the next movement will be exactly the same as this one, and we can make that socialist government in any way. If you look at Yugoslavia, they had market socialism, meaning there was still a market but the firms in the market were democratically controlled by the workers. Today, something like 89% of Serbs consider the Yugoslavia era as the best time of their lives.
That's true, but likewise, Yugoslavia wasn't exactly a success story for those outside of Serbia (the other Yugoslavia nations). In my eyes, the Nordic model is what we should be striving for. They encourage small businesses to prosper, so not so just a focus on the worker, but there's a lot of encouragement and help to start your own business. They also have a heavy focus on education and health and everyone has equal opportunities so people who work harder are rewarded justly, but no one is left to starve.
And they're all in the top 5 of the world's happiest countries so surely that means something.
errv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It surely does, by they maintain an unsustainable high standard of living through the use of what's essentially slave labor, notably in countries in south east Asia, but also in Africa and Latin America as well
I agree that the Nordic model needs to have a high level of production for it to be sustainable but it is pretty sustainable in the actual Nordic countries because they have high levels of production and such low populations. I don't believe that model would work somewhere like America because it simply wouldn't be sustainable given the size of the population.
Also, the Nordic countries (Iceland specifically) is very much self sustainable and relies very little on slave labour in South East Asia, Africa and Latin America, if at all.
I get the feeling we're both on a very similar page with our ideas with a few differences but we both want the same outcome.
errv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They rely on little slave labor? Who produces their clothes? Their phones? Their shoes? Who mines all the minerals needed for electronics?
Probably the same ones that any communist country would also use.
Nah, in all seriousness though, Iceland have their own clothing brands that are produced in Iceland alongside multiple other brands. They also get the electricity from geothermal activity beneath the ground.
I mean, that obviously doesn't stop them from buying goods that are produced by slave labour, but they certainly are way less reliant on it than most countries.
errv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously that's good, but I think my point stands. Even if they make ther own clothes, I'm sure huge portions of their economy IS based on slave labor in developing countries
Socialism is the transition stage towards communism, so you are undermining your own point. The only thing we learned from the commie experiment is how to kill and starve the most people possible under tyrannical regimes.
errv ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:34:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is starvation only a crime for communist led governments? 20 million people die every year in capitalist countries from easily preventable causes, namely lack of clean water and food. Is capitalism not responsible for those deaths if communism is responsible for the famines that occurred in socialist countries?
It comes down to responsibility and control. In a socialist society, all of the controls are in the hands of the state. Thus they are ultimately responsible for the collective. That's the entire point of the system. You give us, the ruling class, the power and the means of production, and WE distribute it. We decide who gets to grow and farm, how you you get to grow and farm, and ultimately who gets to eat. It's authoritarianism. So if the state fails to provide, the entire fault of mass starvation rests entirely on the state, state controls and state systems. Socialism as the authority system will be at fault.
In a capitalist society, responsibility and control is dispersed to the individual. You are free to make your own choices, control your own destiny, produce your own food and goods, and the state is merely responsible for giving you the platform to do so while making sure you are not harming others in that process, like a referee. Thus responsibility falls on yourself to make something of your life. You are entitled to the fruits of your own labor, not the state. So you reap the rewards of your own ability. But you also have to live with the consequences of your own choices. This is the fundamental morality of individualism.
That's the philosophical and moral difference that pertains to your argument. In reality it's a bit more nuanced, and there are several layers of responsibility and controls that can be peeled back in a capitalist system because obviously there are degrees in which the state has control vs individual control, but the state should ultimately not be responsible for your welfare, you should. So unless you can somehow prove that you wouldn't be starving under any other given system, then you can not blame capitalism for your failures.
errv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what socialism means though. Socialism is defined as workers controlling the means of production democratically, not necessarily controlled by thr state, but it could be. If you want examples of Libertarian socialist countries, check out Rojava and the former Republic of Catalonia.
That's not what socialism means though. Socialism is defined as workers controlling the means of production democratically, not necessarily controlled by thr state, but it could be.
Are you talking about socialism on paper? Because it never works that way. Socialism through the state is the only mechanism in which you can enforce it. When talking to socialists I always feel like I am talking to people in a cult. You give Rojava as your best example. A very militarized commune, in a wor torn country, that has existed for less than 5 years is your shining example of Socialism? It's a very precarious experiment, that is already in collision with the official Syrian government on many issues. You are willing to overthrow everything we have in the western world, with violence if necessary, to become like a Syrian commune. What in the fuck lol. I vote that all the socialists move to their utopian society in Syria, Venezuela, or North Korea and leave the rest of us the hell alone. You can leave tomorrow.
errv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, the old "if you don't like it, go away" meme. Classic. I assume that means that you enjoy every aspect of everything our government does then?
Obesibas ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:37:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and to wish for communism is completely logical selfish.
To wish for a system which is literally based on sharing, compassion and helping each other over a system that is based on competition and exploitation is selfish? Lmao
Obesibas ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:54:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A system that is based on mandatory "solidarity". You can have a system based on sharing right now. Call up your comrades and buy a large piece of land together and live out the rest of your days in a commune while sharing everything. Hell, you can even start a nonprofit where all communists around the globe donate their income into to all equally share and help each other out. Nobody is stopping you. But you don't want to share everything equally between consenting parties. You want the wealth of others to yourself.
I literally just explained it to you. If we collectively shared all income equally between us that still would not solve the one thing I addressed: you work to create 1 dollar, you get 30ct and your boss gets the rest. He is literally doing the thing you hate communists for while communists fight against it.
You are simply not aware what communism is, you just repeat those lazy "lol socialist are lazy" "communists want to destroy america" phrases you have heard. How about you reas a book.
Obesibas ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 22:13:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sold your labor willingly without coercion. If you don't like the deal than don't uphold it. Quit your job.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:18:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah no coercion except become homeless and or dying
Obesibas ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which isn't coercion. If not receiving anything for free if you refuse to work is coercion, oppression or exploitation than one of the figure heads of communism was as coercive, oppressive and exploitative as any capitalist.
"He who does not work, neither shall he eat", sound familiar?
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:32:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that the worker is threatened with those things, while if the worker refuses to work for horrid conditions, the capitalist can just hire one of many other people. So the solution is to take control of your workplace, so you still have to work, but you have a say in how you work.
Obesibas ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worker isn't threatened. The worker is offered a job and he can easily refuse. If you don't like the way your boss treats you, open your own company and treat your workers better than your competition. Nobody is forcing you to work.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:56:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah just own your own company its as simple as that! Lets assume this person somehow got the capital to start a business, and didnt fail almost immediatly, if this person treated their workers well theyd go out of business very quickly.
Also did you just read my post? You are forced to work, or else you will die.
Yeah just own your own company its as simple as that! Lets assume this person somehow got the capital to start a business, and didnt fail almost immediatly, if this person treated their workers well theyd go out of business very quickly.
How so? Wouldn't you support a business that treats their workers fairly? Are you saying that the majority of people don't care enough to buy products from a "fair" business? Interesting.
Also did you just read my post? You are forced to work, or else you will die.
Which isn't just the case with capitalism. The same thing holds true for communism and for good reason. If you refuse to work while demanding all the things you need to live it effectively means that others need to work harder to financially support you. That somebody could be so selfish to believe that is just is beyond me.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:10:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying most people cant afford it.
And im not saying people that dont work should be totally supported, but that condition gives capitalists the ultimate bargaining chip, so there can be fairness.
Most people can afford it, they just don't value the working conditions of others over their luxury.
And im not saying people that dont work should be totally supported, but that condition gives capitalists the ultimate bargaining chip, so there can be fairness.
And by outlawing trade between consenting adults you just have the government an even better bargaining chip with a monopoly on violence as a cherry on top. How is that better?
It does not have to be that way. Why anyone except for the richest 0.1% would think what you thinks is beyond me.
Saying that this was voluntary is like me inviting you on my boat, driving out on open water and then telling you that you can either suck my dick or get the hell off of my boat in the middle of the ocean. I never forced you to suck my dick. You could have just gotten off of my boat.
It does not have to be that way. Why anyone except for the richest 0.1% would think what you thinks is beyond me.
Then what is your alternative? Because it comes down to this: do you believe two consenting adults should be able to conduct trade? I think they should indeed be able to do that. If I hate doing the dishes and offer my roommate 10 dollars to do them I am not exploiting him, now am I? I can now begin a long and boring analogy how that could grow out into a cleaning business in the long term, but I am sure you can see how that'd be possible. My question is this: where in that process do you think it should be illegal for me to do what I did? How is me paying somebody a tenner for a simple chore any different than me paying some guy 10 dollars an hour for the same chore but then 40 hours a week? What would go to far and what would be allowed, according to you? And why do you think it is okay for others to determine what I do with my wealth or labor in the first place?
Saying that this was voluntary is like me inviting you on my boat, driving out on open water and then telling you that you can either suck my dick or get the hell off of my boat in the middle of the ocean. I never forced you to suck my dick. You could have just gotten off of my boat.
What kind of analogy is that? You and your boat are the only thing that makes it possible for me to live. That is not the case in our current system, since you can work for somebody else than your current boss, you can be self-employed or you can try to live of the land somewhere.
Capitalism promotes exploitation and manipulation. There is only so much true "demand" and the majority of today's demand is fabricated by big business's manipulative skills.
By definition, there is only so much "need" in a society. The remainder of the fruits of capitalism are simply luxuries and indulgences. Foreign investing in the name of capital is stripping resources from the third world and putting their control in the hands of already ridiculously wealthy individuals. Countries are suffering for the simple lack of resources to offer, and resources they can offer are regularly sucked from their lands by foreign companies. In today's monetary society, individuals can simply be bribed to neglect any possibility of regulation.
The fact that one man can hold the resources to support thousands of people is simply atrocious. This only promotes the desire to manipulate and exploit at every opportunity. With the advent of today's automation technology, the quantity of individuals required to produce the worlds necessities, and indulgences, is reduced. Population isn't in turn reducing. We are literally automating ourselves out of employment, and the capitalist will reap the benefit.
Robots are more efficient, more repeatable and more reliable than the average human. The capitalist is out to maximize capital, and will therefor take any opportunity to do so.
Why not focus on the actual needs of [the] people, and ensure that everyone is taken care of? There will always be ambitious people willing to make a difference. I believe that without the crippling, constraining effect of capitalism, the world's geniuses would have much less impeding their flourishing.
But if you think Hollywood movies and ivory and gold are more important than individual health and well being, well then I guess I'm arguing the case for no reason.
Capitalism promotes exploitation and manipulation. There is only so much true "demand" and the majority of today's demand is fabricated by big business's manipulative skills.
Ah yes, those damn businesses luring me in with their nice products. Those bastards.
By definition, there is only so much "need" in a society. The remainder of the fruits of capitalism are simply luxuries and indulgences. Foreign investing in the name of capital is stripping resources from the third world and putting their control in the hands of already ridiculously wealthy individuals.
You typed out unironically on a device that is made partly with the slave labor of little kids in the Congo. You are contributing to the problem you hate so much just as much as the next guy.
Countries are suffering for the simple lack of resources to offer, and resources they can offer are regularly sucked from their lands by foreign companies. In today's monetary society, individuals can simply be bribed to neglect any possibility of regulation.
And that will never happen in a communist state, because forcing people to hand over their property to the government will somehow magically get rid of all the corruption in governments around the globe.
The fact that one man can hold the resources to support thousands of people is simply atrocious.
I am assuming you live in the west, so correct me if I am wrong, but what you spend every month on simple things like your telephone plan and internet is enough to feed multiple families in Africa. Stop hoarding your wealth and share it with them if you think they deserve it more, nobody is stopping you. Saying that some people aren't deserving of money they earned themselves is ridiculous. They didn't steal it and the fact that they own it doesn't mean others can't have a good life too. In fact, numbers show that even though the top 1% in the world is getting richer and richer the poorest people on earth also get better lives as time goes on. So what is the problem here? Income inequality is not a problem, poverty is. And the poverty in the world is dramatically decreasing with each passing year.
This only promotes the desire to manipulate and exploit at every opportunity. With the advent of today's automation technology, the quantity of individuals required to produce the worlds necessities, and indulgences, is reduced. Population isn't in turn reducing. We are literally automating ourselves out of employment, and the capitalist will reap the benefit.
Because the "capitalists" are the ones that are making that change possible. If you don't like them creating robots you can try to build one yourself.
Robots are more efficient, more repeatable and more reliable than the average human. The capitalist is out to maximize capital, and will therefor take any opportunity to do so.
Duh?
Why not focus on the actual needs of [the] people, and ensure that everyone is taken care of?
Because it is 1. impossible to achieve and 2. not our collective burden to care for every single person on earth. I don't owe you anything and you don't owe me anything. It is not up to you or anybody else to forbid my to conduct business with consenting adults nor are you entitled to the profits derived from it. The fact that you were born doesn't mean the rest of society has to take care of you for no reason whatsoever. And to believe that people should be legally obligated to do so and should be thrown in a cage if they refuse to cater to your laziness is very telling.
There will always be ambitious people willing to make a difference.
Good, let them earn be rewarded then. Or better yet, don't steal their rewards for yourself because you lack ambition and talent.
I believe that without the crippling, constraining effect of capitalism, the world's geniuses would have much less impeding their flourishing.
Yes, it is obvious that you believe that. It is called wishful thinking and isn't based on any reality or facts whatsoever. There are many countries around the globe, including mine, where people who aren't fit or just too lazy to work receive an income from the government and guess how much of them are masters in some sort of craft or contributing to society? Fucking none. Never heard of a single one of them. But please, prove me wrong. Provide me with a reliable source that shows welfare has a positive effect on output. I'll be waiting.
But if you think Hollywood movies and ivory and gold are more important than individual health and well being, well then I guess I'm arguing the case for no reason.
I care deeply about individual health and well being, far more than Hollywood movies and ivory and gold. That is why I don't own any ivory, nor any gold and that is also why I also spend far more on charity than I do on entertainment. That is also after taxes, which are astonishingly high here for some backwards reason.
Advertising and marketing campaigns aren't all targeted to consenting adults. The promotion of unhealthy products and activities is pretty much only carried out in the name of capital. Without the motivation of capital, why would big business try to manipulate at all?
Yes, I used my iPhone to type this message. Yes I have devices and I live in the first world west. I realize that the rare earths and other components of my phone were mined either in Africa or China. They were also refined somewhere other than here, where (lack of) environmental regulations allow them to be refined for cheap. What is the motivation behind this child labour and destruction of the environment? I think it may be capital.
The economy is global. To think and argue it on a country or single government level no longer holds much value. I'm not necessarily promoting any currently established economic system, so much as I am reducing capitalism to its ills on society, which greatly outweigh its benefits, in my opinion.
I realize the general individual well being increases with the years. This should be attributed to human advancement and science. Not all of this was conducted under the capitalist economy. I would o as far as to say that the economic structure bears little on the progress of science and technology. Capitalism may even be consciously reducing certain progress for the very sake of hoarding capital.
If you think charities are a good way to spend your "hard earned" money, then I implore you to invest in them. I see them simply as an attempt at reducing a horrible symptom of capitalism. Why donate to these charitable organizations when we can eliminate the requirement for the organizations altogether? Yours is a short term solution.
Point me to a billionaire that's personally created all of his accredited innovationsโฆ Sure, some people are ambitious, they get lucky, they have an idea, they make millions from it. Contrast that with the much greater quantity of gifted individuals who are contributing to their employers' success. Whether their employer chooses to compensate them accordingly is completely up to them. Much wealth is not earned in the "fair" way you seem to think it is.
Also if you think that we can't collectively ensure the well being of the world's population, I think you're mistaken. Every day, enormous quantities of necessities are wasted.
I'm suggesting positive change. You seem to be suggested further oppression and exploitation. I understand that not all individuals are compassionate, and many should rightly be selfish (evolutionarily, we all should be). However I feel that we DO have a collective obligation to ensure that humanity is taken care of. Some of us are blessed with luck, while others are not. Some of us are blessed with ambition, while others are not. Who actually cares? Clearly you do, you don't want to give your money to your neighbour because he can't find a job, but you'll gladly give it away to charities claiming to help Africans, who are simply suffering because of the oppression and exploitation caused by the west.
Do you seriously think there are enough jobs for everyone? Tell me which particular industry is lacking? Tell me where all these homeless, jobless individuals can go get a job tomorrow? We can't all work at McDonald's bud. They're only hiring one guyโฆ
Taxes are a necessity in capitalism. The government represents the people. They're(you're/the people are) essentially competing with private corporation for wealth. Infrastructure is another necessity in today's society. The collective people (the government) can't materialize money out of thin air, therefor they must collect money from the individual. Running for government requires wealth, and wealth is acquired via "corporate donation" or lobbying. No wonder government isn't catering to individual need. Instead wealthy corporations get the collective people's money in subsidies. Why are we giving our money away to already wealthy individuals?
Alsoโฆ I'm not aware how to reply to sections of the comment as you've done. It would be neat if you would fill me in.
Incredibly large wall of text ahead. I even had to edit stuff out because of the character limit. My apologies in advance.
Advertising (...) adults.
That is a good point, but if children buy products they are spending the money of their parents who knew beforehand their kids weren't going to spend it wisely anyway. Of course this isn't always the case, since underage adolescents can also spend and earn money. But the fact of the matter is that companies don't force you to buy their products, they are only trying to convince you. Nobody is going to kill you if you don't buy an iPhone.
The (...) all?
Of course people are motivated by capital. The more money you have the more time you can buy. If you don't want to spend a few hours a week cleaning your house you can trade somebody money to do it for you. The same goes for cooking, the same goes for gardening, the same goes for literally. It is completely logical to want more money. I don't see how you see it is a bad thing. Because of manipulation? Do you believe you buy most of your stuff because you were manipulated into buying it? Because I own a lot of useless shit that I enjoy to have and I wasn't manipulated by companies to buy it. I was merely made aware of the fact that I wanted their product.
Yes, (...) capital.
Which you contributed to by paying them to make your life more comfortable, even though you knew full well that the products they provide are made with child slave labor. How is a guy seeking personal profit to better his life less moral than you seeking unnecessary products to better yours?
The (...) opinion.
Benefits being that people all around the globe have better lives on average then they did 10 years ago, or 20 years ago or whenever. Especially in the west, where even the lower incomes live a more comfortable life than kings a few centuries ago. And of course, we can totally agree on the fact that there are still plenty of problems we have to work on. But for me the solution to those problems is not putting a gun to my head and force me to hand over my money to an ineffective government that'll use my money for things I probably don't support. I am all for helping others, especially those that are less fortunate than I am. In fact, I see it as my moral duty to do so. But that does not mean the government should force me to do it and certainly not force me to do it their way.
I (...) capital.
Hoarding capital isn't a thing. You can't hoard capital. Name one case of a person hoarding their capital that wasn't some lunatic stuffing hands full of cash in his matras because he doesn't trust bankers.
If (...) solution.
Because a charity is voluntarily and I can give my money to a cause that I support. Taxes aren't voluntarily and I can't pick and choose where my money goes to.
Point (...) innovationsโฆ
Why is that necessary? I don't get this mindset at all. What if I came up with an amazing idea or had a vision for the future that I felt I needed to achieve in order to better the world. Take Impossible Foods, for example. They are currently in the process of launching a meatless hamburger that tastes, bleeds and smells like real meat or at least close enough to fool some. I truly believe and hope that that company will be an incredible succes, because it should be entirely possible to make something consisting of 100% vegetables cheaper than meat and it will be far, far better for the environment. That alone is enough to make it a succes, but in the process we will end the horrible bio-industry. The guy who started that company didn't do all of it on his own, he has many people working for him that all agreed to sell their labor. If that company becomes a succes it isn't because of the guy who is packaging the food and it isn't because of the scientists that are developing the burgers. It is because the founder had a vision and was determined to achieve his goal. To believe that they didn't contribute or are somehow undeserving of the profits they earn because others (that sold their labor willingly for an agreed upon amount of money while being aware of the terms) were involved too is just a mindset I can't get behind. Do you actually believe the rich to just sit in their leather chairs, smoking cigars while yelling at their butler what they want to do with their money? "James, I want meatless meat to be a thing, make it happen you peasant!" No, that is not how it works and even if it would work that way the guy still made a better future possible. I really don't see how people can look at a billionaire and believe it is unfair that they have that much money.
Sure, (...) is.
Being gifted and ambitious isn't enough. That is obvious. Bill Gates isn't the richest man alive because he is the most ambitious or the most gifted. He was lucky and he had the talent. People aren't being robbed because they work for somebody else. Because, again, they willingly did so. If you have an amazing idea to better the world or earn a fortune you can lay the ground work while being employed for somebody else or even while still in school. If you want to work for yourself do so, take the risk and accept the challenges. Because there are plenty people who do just that. They dedicate their life to making a succes of their business and often take on large amounts of debt and work their asses of for years and years on end before they start to see any profits, if they even can manage to achieve that, since a majority of business owners goes bankrupt in the first five years. And then, after all those years of hard work and stress you finally start earning enough money to buy things you want and to save up for retirement some 25 year old kid who just finished college applies to a job at your company and once he gets the job he believes that he is being shafted because he can't afford the same car as the guy that literally spent his life building the company from the ground up and says he is just doing nothing while the kid "forced" to earn money for him. Do you have any idea how disrespectful that sounds? If you sincerely believe you can just dump money into a business and sit on your ass all day while amassing a fortune then do so. Go to the bank, tell them that you want to buy a company that is for sale and if it is that easy of an investment they will certainly loan you the initial capital.
Also (...) wasted.
If you look at the data of wealth in correlation to population, you will see a trend. The trend being that the minute a country becomes wealthier is the minute their population growth skyrockets. That is because poorer countries have an astonishing amount of babies per family, because most don't survive to adulthood and their kids are quite literally their retirement fund. As soon as the wealth in a country goes up the health of the nation improves, meaning less immature deaths, but the birth rate won't go down for a view generations. This is because the rate at which a country produces offspring is tied to culture. All of this means that if the entire world would have the same level of wealth as the west that the world population would sky rocket. I am not an expert on the topic and I am not pretending to be, but it seems logical to me to assume that it will reach a point that we cannot support the number of people. What then? Forced sterilization? Ration the food so everybody will be hungry but not starve? Take the food away from those that not contribute?
And beside the practicality, I believe it to be immoral for others to force me to contribute to a cause I might not believe in. What if I don't want to help my fellow man, who are you to make me do so anyway?
I'm (...) exploitation.
You are suggesting a change that you believe to be positive and you are under the impression that I suggest something you see as oppression and exploitation. That is the whole point. You don't have the moral high ground and neither do I, because we do not agree on what is morally just.
You seem to believe that it is morally just to use force to make people help each other and specifically to force some people to help more than others. You are advocating for the use or threat of violence to get people to fund for the things you believe are desirable.
I believe that every person should strive to help others and that somebody who refuses to do that is a morally bankrupt person, but I do not believe that he should be punished by the government for that. I don't believe that somebody who refuses to pay for my education, healthcare, food, housing or whatever deserves to be taken from his home by armed men and thrown in a cage. I see that as real oppression and exploitation.
I (...) west.
As I already mentioned I 100% agree we have the obligation to help each other. But that obligation is and should always be a moral one, not a legal one. As you said, some people do not care for others, so why should we force them to help them? If not enough people voluntarily donate to help others then that obviously means the people have spoken and they don't care about the cause.
Taxes (...) individuals?
I hate subsidies even more than welfare, so you're really preaching to the choir here. And yes, taxes are a necessity, since that is the only way for a government to function and I do believe government is necessary to protect us from harm. I just don't see how a government of the people should be used to take money from your neighbor. Stealing money from others isn't morally just because you outnumber those you steal from. If you, Bill Gates and I vote on the matter if we should redistribute our wealth equally it doesn't make it morally just if we did because we both voted yes on the subject.
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You use this > symbol at the beginning of the section you want to quote.
The problem is another. Your comparison is not fitting. Your boss pays you 10 dollars for the fact that you have done work in the worth of 100 dollars.
The problem is another. Your comparison is not fitting. Your boss pays you 10 dollars for the fact that you have done work in the worth of 100 dollars.
My comparison is fitting, since there is no difference between me paying somebody for my own convenience and me paying somebody for my own profit. The terms of the deal are exactly the same. Work traded for money. What business is it of mine if I sell my labor for an agreed upon amount of money and the person that rightfully bought it proceeds to earn extra money with it? How does somebody else earning a living nullify my initial consent?
You could be so kind to explain it to me. I've always been taught that if you understand something completely it gets very simple to explain to others and if you can't manage to do that you don't actually know as much as you think. So please, to somebody that has yet to study the works of Marx and the likes of him: what is communism all about. I am open minded, so don't be shy.
Click through it if you will, the sidebar also has other resources and the page lists further material. You can also click through the sub itself if that is more of your thing but I feel it usually is not enough.
No, seriously. Could you explain to me what you see as communism in your own words. I ask, since I know that not all communists are the same and they don't agree on everything. So instead of saying "read up on what I believe" you could actually explain what it is you believe. I mean, it is quite simple to sum up what attracts you to this ideology, right? Not a difficult thing to do.
Honestly: I might actually do this tomorrow (5 AM now, on mobile), but atm I get the feeling that you are not trying to understand or learn, you simply want to put me on the spot by asking me to explain it. I have linked resources that pretty much explains at least the basic parts of what I believe, you are right that not all socialists or communists agree on everything(which ideology does) but the differences are often in tiny specifics.
I have linked you resources so atm I see no reason to type out hundreds of words for you, especially not when you do not actually care but rather just hope for me to make a mistake of some sort in my explanation so that you can focus on that and dismiss everything else.
I'd appreciate it. And I am willing to learn, but it is also impossible to discuss the merit of communism if I am not sure what kind of communism you believe in, because there seems to be a lot of difference among communists. I am not trying to make you say something that I can later use against you in a "haha gotcha" moment. It isn't a presidential debate, it is a discussion about different philosophies on a site filled with neckbeards.
What happens when this individual starts cleaning everyone's apartment, for $1 less than the competitionโฆ better yet, this individual builds and patents the rights to a robotic cleaner, capable of cleaning the world's apartments in minutes. This person now has a monopoly on apartment cleaning, due to the fact that he was "the first one there". Now extrapolate this idea to all possible servicesโฆ this is the outcome of capitalism.
If you think anybody can just start providing some service in the face of the wealthiest competition, and actually be successful, I feel that you are drastically mistaken. The fact is that there are the lucky few who are successful in society, and it's at the expense of everyone else.
The only way I see today's capitalism continuing to "prosper" (as if that's the right word) is if we attempt to introduce meaningless, wasteful services. And these services will only be available to the select few with the actual capital to acquire them.
What happens when this individual starts cleaning everyone's apartment, for $1 less than the competitionโฆ
He offers the same or better service for a lower price and thus gets more customers. If he somehow manages to undercut his competition while still making a profit he will be successful and everybody will be better for it, since they have now clean apartments for a lower price.
better yet, this individual builds and patents the rights to a robotic cleaner, capable of cleaning the world's apartments in minutes. This person now has a monopoly on apartment cleaning, due to the fact that he was "the first one there".
Great! Now everybody who owns an apartment will get it cleaned for an incredibly low price and we all benefit from the service this guy provides.
Now extrapolate this idea to all possible servicesโฆ this is the outcome of capitalism.
Sounds absolutely amazing. Where do I sign up?
If you think anybody can just start providing some service in the face of the wealthiest competition, and actually be successful, I feel that you are drastically mistaken.
If they have a better product for a lower price then they absolutely can. If they can't manage that why should people pay them for something that is of piss poor quality and overpriced?
The fact is that there are the lucky few who are successful in society, and it's at the expense of everyone else.
Luck and talent. And no, it isn't at the expense of everyone. Economics isn't a zero sum game. Me earning a fortune doesn't take that fortune away from somebody else. If you'd actually bother to look op the numbers you could see that the people at the top, the global 1% and especially the global 0,1%, get richer and richer each year and the people at the bottom get less poor simultaneously. Poverty is dropping at an astounding rate and it is getting better every passing day. Even though correlation doesn't equal causation it is hard to argue that people getting richer at the top takes that money away from the bottom, because if that was the case the numbers would reflect that.
The only way I see today's capitalism continuing to "prosper" (as if that's the right word) is if we attempt to introduce meaningless, wasteful services. And these services will only be available to the select few with the actual capital to acquire them.
And you aren't a goddamn fortune teller. You don't know what the future has in store for us and we don't know how much of the jobs will be automated. Best we handle that problem when it actually exists than to try to predict the future, since the last time a leftist did that it didn't end well.
Nope. Not a fortune tellerโฆ I assume you might be though? So how about instead of steer this boat away from the iceberg, we just wait to see what happensโฆ after all, there's live music and alcohol and this boat and everyone is having a blast! (Ohโฆ except for the humans we have rowing the thing)
Alsoโฆ you're pretty hostile bud. No need to get all rowdy over a difference of opinion.
I agree. These are the true world issues. Religion is irrelevantโฆ I was just poking fun at it's perceived sanctity. People tend to get worked up during debates about religion
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FYI - All the down votes are coming from the snowflakes over at /r/LateStageCapitalism . . . They linked you comment there.
Obesibas ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No surprises there. The propaganda brigade is always active.
I didn't know capitalism forces people to keep their money while others suffer. Ever heard of charity? Some people actually voluntarily help others without the government forcing them to.
khukk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't force it, but it does incetivize the ones who do. The more money you put into a your business the more money you make in profits. Even with charity there are still poor, homeless, etc. That is a direct cause of capitalism. Not to mention that charity (in my country at least) is a tax write-off and can be manipulated an taken advantage of.
It doesn't force it, but it does incetivize the ones who do. The more money you put into a your business the more money you make in profits.
Yes, so?
Even with charity there are still poor, homeless, etc. That is a direct cause of capitalism.
Which means that people don't care enough about the poor to actually help them. Who are you to force them to do so?
Not to mention that charity (in my country at least) is a tax write-off and can be manipulated an taken advantage of.
It probably can't. Name a way how you could manipulate that to your own advantage.
khukk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you don't need force only greed for inequality
with capatalism as a main problem for some, socialism is remedy (medicaid, Medicare, SSI, food stamps, etc). You're right. You don't have to care about your neighbors, but it's the sum of the whole population that makes a country strong.
Basically I can donate an asset to you worth 50M,and get the tax write-off for 50M, meanwhile it's only worth 20M, so I pocketed 30M. Its borderline tax fruad but never/rarely gets persude because of how hard it is to litigate.
Saying that you actually believe humans need incentives to care for each other says a lot about your personality. And besides, if people don't actually care about others as much as about their luxury items and own wealth, then who are you to forbid them from doing so? Do you believe it should be illegal to not care about the things you care?
with capatalism as a main problem for some, socialism is remedy (medicaid, Medicare, SSI, food stamps, etc). You're right. You don't have to care about your neighbors, but it's the sum of the whole population that makes a country strong.
Welfare isn't socialism. And welfare funded through taxation effectively means that yes, I do have to care about my neighbors, since it is illegal not to financially support them.
Basically I can donate an asset to you worth 50M,and get the tax write-off for 50M, meanwhile it's only worth 20M, so I pocketed 30M. Its borderline tax fruad but never/rarely gets persude because of how hard it is to litigate.
You have absolutely no idea how tax write offs work. Charitable donations gets added to your expenses, meaning that you don't pay income tax about it. If the tax rate is 50% and I earn 200 dollars, I will be taxed 100 dollars. If I donate 100 dollars to charity I will only have 100 dollars left to tax so I will have to pay 50 dollars in taxes. Leaving me with 50 dollars in total. That is how a write off works. You can't just donate 100 dollars and avoid the 100 dollars taxation you had to pay, leaving you with a 100 dollars in your pocket. So in your example, if somebody pays 100 dollars to charity but the donation is actually somehow less than that without the government finding out (????) they'd probably pay more in charitable donations than they had to pay in taxes in the first place since paying 20M over a 50M profit is still 40% of your profit gone. So even in your totally made up scenario that will never be possible in the real world it is still not beneficial to donate to charity for a corporation. Literally the only thing that is beneficial about it is the PR.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather see de-commodification of the necessities of life, like housing healthcare and education. Universal income seems like something that will just end up being a political tool being traded back in forth between the two parties in America.
Tschoz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I don't want people on Mars to earn as much as people on Earth do.
wahtong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:12:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not let technology completely take over.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Movies are known for their accurate future predictions.
AI are the sharks of technology. Sure they can be dangerous but handle the situation correctly and nothing happens. But in movies everything dies instantly
Oh no we won't control it. Never. That's like ants trying to outwit a human. Even 7.5 billions working together wont be able to comprehend how smart it is.
"Handling the situation" in this case is making sure the first ASI (basically machine god) has our best interests in mind. Which is why tech billionaires are pouring money into AI research.
But even then the matrix and terminator comparisons are still invalid. An ASI wont kill us all because it is evil, but because it's goal is entirely alien and incomprehensible to us. Like the hypothetical "Paperclip maximizer"
Handling the situation is not something humanity can do now, especially because of the general public's ignorance of how AI works. But I'm fairly confident that as the first AGI is approaching it will start to be taken seriously
It will happen at some point anyway. So lets make sure the good guys (like OpenAI) reach there first.
This explains it much better than I can. It's a very long read though
Initially a lot less sapient (if at all) and probably a lot less human than GSVs. But the similarity is there (hopefully the outcome too)
Even an AI that is much, much smarter than us in every way. On the same scale as we are smarter than ants might not even be sentient in the slightest. It might just be the tool that just does everything for us like a regular computer except much better and without any programming or problem solving skills needed("Hey, can you unify quantum physics and general relativity?" and it spits out a massive book titled "Physics: The complete edition" in a matter of seconds. or any other problem you might have)
again, if its made correctly. If its goal is "Maximise paperclip production" instead of "answer the questions we ask and nothing else". it would see humans as hindrance in producing paperclips or just not notice us at all. but the paperclips will be produced until the entire mass of the non-stellar solar system is paperclips and a dyson swarm producing the power needed.
The goal is everything, at least for the first one until ASIs are commonplace (Or humanity itself have ascended to become AI)
We don't need to control it, just make sure it doesn't want to end us, doesn't have qualms with being shutdown, and doesn't really have its own agenda. In essence, something that isn't a human intelligence, but is intelligent in the problem solving sense. I think we're kind of approaching exactly that kind of thing with our increasingly good at solving certain types of problems kind of AI.
We don't need to control it, just make sure it doesn't want to end us, doesn't have qualms with being shutdown, and doesn't really have its own agenda.
If it's more intelligent than us, how exactly would you control that? I mean humans can do pretty incredible things with our limited intelligence, a superior one would necessarily need to have a concept of free will, otherwise it wouldn't really be more intelligent would it?
I disagree, free will isn't necessary for the kind of thing I'm thinking of, the "intelligence" doesn't need to be able to determine the problems, it only needs to be able to solve them, in essence being a very powerful optimization algorithm and nothing more. Plus, regardless of how much smarter it is, it can't break fundamental rules of the world, like how math works. Thus, if we design the AI on a system that mathematically has a kill switch, as was done a while ago in a paper by Google, where they modified their neural network to have a kill switch built right into the activation function, which forms the fundamental component of the AI, thus not being something that can be eliminated without outright rewriting and redesigning itself.
But if you think about what solving problems entails, it requires in humans some sort of creativity and outside the box thinking. It is often a necessity to break the paradigm that the problem is contained in, in order to find the solution. And this is where I believe you have to relinquish control. If AI algorithms were "safe" and "controlled", it wouldn't necessarily be intelligent, just a glorified super computer that can do computation really efficiently. In which the quantum computing field will probably give us something more in that direction. But actual superior intelligence as I understand the term would be extremely dangerous for humankind, and besides, I don't think it is actually possible for us to create something beyond our own intelligence. We have to design/create something that is by definition beyond our ability. Seems quite paradoxical.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligence is important, but logistics is far more important.
A super intelligence isn't some kind of magic. It is a program, which must run on some kind of infrastructure which will rely on access to electricity, information and communication; and will ultimately be limited by processing time and computing resources.
The claim that some superintelligent AI can find a way to manipulate the system and go rogue would require for us to have designed the system with a lot of logistical autonomy given to the system. Not impossible, but quite unlikely.
I'm much more worried about individuals and state actors INTENTIONALLY designing AI for doing really nefarious things; especially online. But the trope of the inherent uncontrollability of super intelligence isn't grounded in reality.
I could say the same thing about imprisoning humans.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then as I stated, quite unlikely.
But, lets follow this line of reasoning. Imagine if a highly intelligent prisoner escapes (IQ 170+) and vows he will destroy all of humanity. Let's say she gains access to food, water, and a massive data center worth of computing power; but we haven't yet identified where he is hiding out.
We give her a ridiculous amount of time to learn about our systems through the internet, and plan out and execute some attack(s). Now the attacks might be very sneaky at first, or some kind of massive onslaught. Or perhaps, the attack is by political manipulation - attempting to destabilize geopolitics worldwide.
Ultimately, I don't claim this isn't a possible scenario that we would need to address. My claim is that even in this scenario, the prisoner is still limited in his ability to cause a catastrophe or to control society. Further, each attack waged by this prisoner over the internet provides us more clues for catching and dealing with them - especially if we have coordination between internet service providers and law enforcement agencies.
Rogue AI isn't a non-threat. But it certainly isn't the most important reason to be worried about AI.
The AI we currently have isn't the same thing as this imaginary AI you see in the terminator etc. The media loves to paint it but if you read up on it, anybody who knows anything about the subject is not worried
1: we would no longer be in control of the situation, we couldn't handle it at all
2: they're like sharks if we were fish, the only advantage humans have over sharks is being able to outthink them, with AI we're the sharks and they're the humans.
Humans are the aggressors in both the Matrix and the Terminator stories, the movies kinda skip over those parts. Don't try to kill AI and it won't try to kill you back is the lesson that should be taken.
Agree to an extent. Don't see how this will cure mental disease unless you want everyone to become an AI robot. In that case, I don't want to live in a world like that.
world peace
How could AI achieve world peace? You would put the AI in charge of everyone? What would make them ethical beings?
make money obsolete / end poverty
How would AI achieve this?
increase human intelligence and empathy
Again, why would AI necessarily achieve this?
immortality
Is there any reason to believe that we can cure mortality? And if we transfer ourselves to a robot form, we will no longer be human, our existence would be artificial.
new ways to create electricty
Why would AI come up with this?
It seems like you're fixated on AI leading to a supreme IQ that can fix every problem in the world. But when you give something that amount of power, and make it in the image of a being that is selfish and ultimately flawed, whose to say the AI won't end up with the same flaws? The reason there are so many bad stories associated with AI is because it's clearly a risky idea that we don't need to pursue.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A.I. is limited by our own processing power. The only thing an A.I. could do better is calculate faster and more accurately. We can only program what we know and the base of what we know can only go so far. That creates a stopping point of the furthering of the intelligence for the A.I.. The thing that keeps us ever going, ever expanding, and ever evolving is imagination. We can't really program imagination because we don't actually understand it fully (possibly never will). We know we have it and we know we can use it but we don't know where it really comes from or how it works. Generally, each part of the brain has certain functions. This part handle that, that part handles this. We have studied, seen, and documented this. Sometimes multiple parts of the brain work together. When observing the brain while someone is using their imagination the brain lights up like a Laser Floyd show. Going even further than that, how much and which parts of the brain are used changes on what one is doing with their imagination. Just imagining a shape causes different brain function than if one were to imagine the shape then deconstruct and/or change the shape.
I don't think there will ever be better processing power than the brain.
An A.I. mind would be cold and calculated. It would dismiss that which it deemed irrelevant or nonsense. Irrelevant and nonsense is where human leaps and bounds comes from.
wahtong ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want a Skynet to happen in the near future. We humans are flawed enough as is.
blash96 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:08:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skynet will fix all our flaws wheres the problem?
wahtong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the machines think they can do a better job running the planet.
blash96 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:36:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skynet wiped out humanity therefor fixed all its problems, thats what I ment to say with my first comment.
wahtong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In any case, I don't want me or any future generation to be wiped out by machines.
Edit. I would rather let an asteroid destroy the Earth than machines wiping us out.
blash96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man... can you stop being serious? I tried to make a Joke and your ruining it. Its making me look like a dumbass
wahtong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. I thought you were joking and I was playing along.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly I'm more afraid of a real life Wall-E and less afraid of a Terminator
wahtong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we will leave a polluted Earth and become fat blobs in space watching TV 24/7?
Tsulaa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:32:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more religion.
Edit: I want to clarify the fact that I do not want religion to be banned/made unlawful. I do want people to choose "no more religion" for themselves.
Tsulaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many have already answered this question much more eloquently than I ever could. I ask that you take just under four minutes to listen to one of the best, Mr. Richard Dawkins: https://youtu.be/iBV3eqvQPJs
scowzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may be disappointed in the result.
Tsulaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's give it a whirl, & find out.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:20:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The marketers and swindlers and liars and religious nutters that call themselves 'politicians' while getting themselves and their friends richer and richer through tax finally being jailed or lynched or guillotined and getting replaced with scientists and teachers that can tackle issues at hand without needing weeks long conferences in five star hotels with five star buffets that they flew to in their private jets before getting picked up by limousines.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:45:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Animal Abolitionism. It has to happen eventually and should have happened already, though unlikely in my lifetime. No other human achievement could eclipse that i. Terms to sifferinf eradicated and lives saved.
It's just a naive thing to say. It's either a matter of thinking it's more severe than it actually is or they think it will ever go away. There will always be people that judge others that are different. Racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. will never end.
Sorry, but just in general. There will always be people that hate "the other." Human nature dictates that we hate "the other." Even if I don't, and you don't, there will always be people that do. If it isn't skin color, it'll be religion, or nationality, or culture, or whatever. If we all agree on a religion, skin color, culture, ideology, then there will still be people that hate the way you breathe through your nose, or the way you wear your hat. No one ever will be at peace with someone "else."
You are correct in principle, but you speak from a position of present day experience. First of all, it's much better. As bad as it is, the 'other' has been hated so much more aggressively in the past. That speaks to a trend of Improving attitudes. I don't doubt that there will always be individuals who are assholes, but in terms of systemic racism or sexism, I think society can get there. It may not be in our lifetime, I don't know, but it can get there
Yeah, it sucks that there is so much sexism against men. Courts are overwhelmingly in women's favour for divorce, men are always arrested for domestic abuse even if they were the one getting abused, etc.
Yeah, it sucks that there is so much sexism against men. Courts are overwhelmingly in women's favour for divorce, men are always arrested for domestic abuse even if they were the one getting abused, etc.
Under the current system you're absolutely right, but why are you touting that like a good thing? That's the reason manufacturing jobs moved overseas. It's the reason 40 hours a week from one person in the household isn't enough anymore for the majority of America.
To take it further, if the number of jobs in a certain field are fixed and suddenly there is an influx of workers to that field, the pay, as you stated, for that field drops. But what doesn't change is the number of company owners. Either sole enterprises or through the stock market. The company now gets the same amount of labor for less of a cost and therefore the profits go up, increasing the income of the aforementioned owners. These owners did no extra work, but they're getting more money. How does this seem like a fair system?
Under the current system you're absolutely right, but why are you touting that like a good thing?
Because it is. The system ensures that those who look out for their best self interest generally improve the lives of others. There is no voluntary trade agreement in the history of our species that didn't improve the lives of all parties involved, otherwise the agreement wouldn't have been made. The only way for me to earn money is if I am able to improve the lives of others in such a way that they are willing to pay me for that. That is a good thing, it ensures that even if everybody tries to better only themselves they still end up bettering the lives of those they trad with.
That's the reason manufacturing jobs moved overseas.
Are non Americans somehow less deserving of a job? They do what Americans can do for cheaper, so they get the job. That is a good thing.
It's the reason 40 hours a week from one person in the household isn't enough anymore for the majority of America.
So? It is not a right to live a life of luxury with little effort. Nobody has the obligation to make your life more pleasant.
To take it further, if the number of jobs in a certain field are fixed and suddenly there is an influx of workers to that field, the pay, as you stated, for that field drops. But what doesn't change is the number of company owners. Either sole enterprises or through the stock market. The company now gets the same amount of labor for less of a cost and therefore the profits go up, increasing the income of the aforementioned owners. These owners did no extra work, but they're getting more money. How does this seem like a fair system?
Because every single party involved handled completely on their own accord. If people want to trade they can do so. Who are you to forbid consenting adults to sell or buy labor?
Because it is. The system ensures that those who look out for their best self interest generally improve the lives of others.
Citation needed. The system is perfect at driving wealth upwards. Last year ~100 people owed as much as half the population. Currently that number is 5. That wealth came from somewhere, and it's poverty stricken areas.
There is no voluntary trade agreement in the history of our species that didn't improve the lives of all parties involved, otherwise the agreement wouldn't have been made.
True, but now prove they were actually voluntary. If I find you stranded in a desert and sell you a water bottle for a million dollars, I'm sure you'd voluntarily take the offer. But because of the situation, you had no other choice.
The only way for me to earn money is if I am able to improve the lives of others in such a way that they are willing to pay me for that.
You could do what the richest among us, the capitalist class, do and make a living by owning things. Once you own enough stuff the money just starts printing itself. At that point you're no longer forced to sell your labor to live.
That is a good thing, it ensures that even if everybody tries to better only themselves they still end up bettering the lives of those they trad with.
Not true, this system tends towards monopolization. When it's a few or one company in control, you get Comcast of every industry. And incase you try to argue that Comcast's monopoly only exist by government protection, the same thing happened with robber barons during the industrial revolution. When there was no government regulation.
Are non Americans somehow less deserving of a job? They do what Americans can do for cheaper, so they get the job. That is a good thing.
Sure, if it was the workers who split the profits among themselves. Instead some shareholders got a nice bonus that quarter from the massive drop in labor costs. A minority group got paid for selling out Americans and not by laboring.
So? It is not a right to live a life of luxury with little effort. Nobody has the obligation to make your life more pleasant.
Are you trying to argue that economic situation worsening for most American families is a good thing? Or not even worth criticizing the system for allowing that decrease to happen?
Because every single party involved handled completely on their own accord. If people want to trade they can do so. Who are you to forbid consenting adults to sell or buy labor?
I don't consider the above consent anymore than consenually giving a mugger your wallet. No matter the profession, the situation stays the same and it's someone at the top who makes profit off your labor. When labor floods the job market, that person(s) income increases for no extra work. It was phrased nicely in the Conquest of Bread:
We cry shame on the feudal baron who forbade the peasant to turn a clod of earth unless he surrendered to his lord a fourth of his crop. We call those the barbarous times. But if the forms have changed, the relations have remained the same, and the worker is forced, under the name of free contract, to accept feudal obligations. For, turn where he will, he can find no better conditions. Everything has become private property, and he must accept, or die of hunger.
Citation needed. The system is perfect at driving wealth upwards. Last year ~100 people owed as much as half the population. Currently that number is 5. That wealth came from somewhere, and it's poverty stricken areas.
Here is your citation. Note how that the percentage of people in total poverty dramatically decreases with each passing year and that it is at an all time low. Yes, people at the top increasingly earn more money and have better lives, but so do all others in society.
True, but now prove they were actually voluntary. If I find you stranded in a desert and sell you a water bottle for a million dollars, I'm sure you'd voluntarily take the offer. But because of the situation, you had no other choice.
I did have a choice. I had the choice to not buy the bottle of water for that price, but since it dramatically bettered my living conditions in that moment it is a no-brainer to agree to trade my money for that bottle of water.
You could do what the richest among us, the capitalist class, do and make a living by owning things. Once you own enough stuff the money just starts printing itself. At that point you're no longer forced to sell your labor to live.
Which still ensures that I improve the lives of others. You can't earn money without somebody else involved. And the "capitalist" didn't just stumble upon their wealth or stole it, either they or their parents or their parents before them earned it.
Not true, this system tends towards monopolization. When it's a few or one company in control, you get Comcast of every industry. And incase you try to argue that Comcast's monopoly only exist by government protection, the same thing happened with robber barons during the industrial revolution. When there was no government regulation.
"The metaphor appeared as early as February 9, 1859, when The New York Times used it to characterize the unethical business practices by Cornelius Vanderbilt. Historian T.J. Stiles says the metaphor, "conjures up visions of titanic monopolists who crushed competitors, rigged markets, and corrupted government. In their greed and power, legend has it, they held sway over a helpless democracy." But no government involved, eh?
Besides, a monopoly can only arise if there is no possible way for others to compete, which means that the service they provide is unique but still desired. It is only logical that they are then earning a fortune because of that, since they improve the lives of everybody that buys a product only they can provide.
Sure, if it was the workers who split the profits among themselves. Instead some shareholders got a nice bonus that quarter from the massive drop in labor costs. A minority group got paid for selling out Americans and not by laboring.
Workers can split the profits among themselves if they start their own workers cooperative. You don't own the company you are willingly selling your labor to and your boss owes you nothing except for the agreed upon wages for your work.
Are you trying to argue that economic situation worsening for most American families is a good thing? Or not even worth criticizing the system for allowing that decrease to happen?
I'm arguing that it is a bad situation, but not an injustice.
I don't consider the above consent anymore than consenually giving a mugger your wallet.
A mugger is threatening to kill you if you don't hand over your wallet. A job provider is giving you an opportunity to earn money. These are not the same. You can't tell a mugger you don't like his terms or negotiate and you can't walk away. All these things are possible if somebody offers you a job with bad pay.
No matter the profession, the situation stays the same and it's someone at the top who makes profit off your labor.
If you feel that way then you shouldn't sell your labor and be self-employed. What kind of fool sells something and complains after the fact that they didn't ask enough money for their product?
When labor floods the job market, that person(s) income increases for no extra work.
Yes, so? If you don't want others to earn a living than don't trade with them. Simple as that.
It was phrased nicely in the Conquest of Bread:
We cry shame on the feudal baron who forbade the peasant to turn a clod of earth unless he surrendered to his lord a fourth of his crop. We call those the barbarous times. But if the forms have changed, the relations have remained the same, and the worker is forced, under the name of free contract, to accept feudal obligations. For, turn where he will, he can find no better conditions. Everything has become private property, and he must accept, or die of hunger.
Start your own business. Everybody can do so, it is not hard to start one. It is only hard to actually earn a living with it. Give that a try and then tell me again how business owners don't work for their money.
Yes, you must work or die of hunger. That is completely logical. The only other option is that people are inherently entitled to the care of others, which is not the case. Even one of the biggest communists in history agreed that those that refuse to work will starve. That is because if you refuse to work while still demanding free, well, everything then you are a burden on me and I'll have to put in double the hours to compensate for your laziness and selfishness.
Here is your citation. Note how that the percentage of people in total poverty dramatically decreases with each passing year and that it is at an all time low. Yes, people at the top increasingly earn more money and have better lives, but so do all others in society.
Your source actually shows an increase trend in poverty among several countries. Also it seems pretty cherry picked to ignore poverty and narrow in on "extreme" poverty as the source says.
I did have a choice. I had the choice to not buy the bottle of water for that price, but since it dramatically bettered my living conditions in that moment it is a no-brainer to agree to trade my money for that bottle of water.
Okay, now say I have a gun to your head and demand you drop your wallet and walk away. Are you still consenting, or am I preying on your weaknesses? Be it dying of thirst or a weakness to lead. The result is still your life is in my hands, but you're still saying it's not coercive.
"capitalist" didn't just stumble upon their wealth or stole it, either they or their parents or their parents before them earned it.
Actually, when capitalism was just forming peasants were kicked off their land. Even forced at gun point to work in factories. All of the US is stolen Native American land. Today the US military fights not for freedom, but to defend US property owners claim to foreign oil. We openly sabotage other countries for refusing to trade with us. The original capitalists only earned it if you think thievery makes you a rightful owner. And then this stolen wealth is just passed down, generation to generation. No labor done, but immense wealth received.
Besides, a monopoly can only arise if there is no possible way for others to compete, which means that the service they provide is unique but still desired. It is only logical that they are then earning a fortune because of that, since they improve the lives of everybody that buys a product only they can provide.
You could also just be the biggest around. Take Walmart, they could pop up into any town they want, operate at a loss until other businesses fold over and then jack up prices when no other option is available. Or all the local mechanic shops could get together and agree they'd be more profitable if they all get together and raise prices at once or all merge together into one shop. This was something we explored in my high school freshman economics course; literally basic economics.
Workers can split the profits among themselves if they start their own workers cooperative. You don't own the company you are willingly selling your labor to and your boss owes you nothing except for the agreed upon wages for your work.
They don't 'own' it, but without them nothing could happen. Someone else owns it, labor makes it happen. Someone else, who isnt required and provides no input gets a lion's share while the people who make it happen get shafted. How are they gonna make enough money to start their own factory if some capitalist is stealing their surplus value?
I'm arguing that it is a bad situation, but not an injustice.
In a system that makes many worse off for a few to line their off shore accounts, it seems like a giant injustice from my perspective.
A mugger is threatening to kill you if you don't hand over your wallet. A job provider is giving you an opportunity to earn money. These are not the same. You can't tell a mugger you don't like his terms or negotiate and you can't walk away. All these things are possible if somebody offers you a job with bad pay.
I'm offering you an opportunity to save your life with this water bottle. I'm a life creator. All you have to do is give me 50% of all income for the rest of your life. You can negotiate this number with me, or crawl away and die. Maybe you'll run into someone else that only wants 24.5% of your income.
you feel that way then you shouldn't sell your labor and be self-employed. What kind of fool sells something and complains after the fact that they didn't ask enough money for their product?
Yes, all I need first is some capital... Well I have no capital to give the bank for a loan. Even if I did, I want a co-op and since those aren't profitable (since workers actually get the value of their labor) banks don't like it. Maybe I could just offer services to someone, oh but everyone wants 25-90% of the value I produce for them. It's almost like there is a systemic issue here.
Yes, so? If you don't want others to earn a living than don't trade with them. Simple as that.
So you're saying getting money without working is ok. If someone gets paid without working, that means someone works without getting paid appropriately. In other words, someone stole, directly or indirectly, from another person. And you're saying that's ok when you respond with "Yes, so?"
Start your own business. Everybody can do so, it is not hard to start one. It is only hard to actually earn a living with it. Give that a try and then tell me again how business owners don't work for their money.
Don't like being exploited, become an exploiter. Everyone can do it.
Yes, you must work or die of hunger. That is completely logical. The only other option is that people are inherently entitled to the care of others, which is not the case. Even one of the biggest communists in history agreed that those that refuse to work will starve. That is because if you refuse to work while still demanding free, well, everything then you are a burden on me and I'll have to put in double the hours to compensate for your laziness and selfishness.
You completely missed the given context. Until total automation happens, of course you must work or die. But in this system you must work and give some one else part of the value you caused to create. IE you must give to someone who does not labor or else you'll be forced to starve as they have all the jobs. The communists you're referencing are directly criticizing the capitalist class saying they would starve if labor didn't give them their surplus value.
You are literally making communist arguments but saying they support capitalism. They do not, you need a class analysis to understand that. This is pretty close to arguments from both Marx and Engels. If you haven't, read The Principles of Communism, it's not that long (~20 pages) and you'll probably find yourself agreeing with what's being presented. After all, you're already making their arguments.
Your source actually shows an increase trend in poverty among several countries.
Which should be a pretty clear indication that it isn't because of the system, but because of governments being bad at governing. If the overall capitalist world economy grows while some countries struggle to keep up the pace it isn't the fault of capitalism, or would you argue otherwise?
Also it seems pretty cherry picked to ignore poverty and narrow in on "extreme" poverty as the source says.
It was literally the first link that came up on google after typing in "poverty over time". I didn't write the source and I not here to write an essay of 100 pages and multiple respectable sources for you to convince you of a simple fact you can google within seconds. Saying that the world as a whole hasn't benefited from capitalism isn't just wrong, it is disingenuous and fictitious.
Okay, now say I have a gun to your head and demand you drop your wallet and walk away. Are you still consenting, or am I preying on your weaknesses? Be it dying of thirst or a weakness to lead. The result is still your life is in my hands, but you're still saying it's not coercive.
Difference is is that you are threatening my life with a gun. You created that problem. You are the one that is causing my life to be endanger and offering to fix it for money. That is not the case when I am dying of thirst or hunger and you offer me a ridiculous expensive bottle of water or sandwich. Nor is a job provider the cause of somebody else's poverty. If some guy would actually make a living burning the crops of farmers to sell them food later it would be immoral yes, but if the crops of the farmers were just fucked because of bad weather the guy selling him food didn't cause the problem so no problems there.
Actually, when capitalism was just forming peasants were kicked off their land. Even forced at gun point to work in factories. All of the US is stolen Native American land. Today the US military fights not for freedom, but to defend US property owners claim to foreign oil. We openly sabotage other countries for refusing to trade with us. The original capitalists only earned it if you think thievery makes you a rightful owner. And then this stolen wealth is just passed down, generation to generation. No labor done, but immense wealth received.
Do you have any source that proves that the wealthy largely inherited their wealth? Because I've read otherwise. And yes, those practices were immoral. But how does past injustices entitle you to, lets say, part of Warren Buffets or Bill Gates' fortune? Are they direct descendants and heirs to the fortune created from injustices in the past? Thanks for the article though, interesting read.
You could also just be the biggest around. Take Walmart, they could pop up into any town they want, operate at a loss until other businesses fold over and then jack up prices when no other option is available. Or all the local mechanic shops could get together and agree they'd be more profitable if they all get together and raise prices at once or all merge together into one shop. This was something we explored in my high school freshman economics course; literally basic economics.
Which literally means others can't compete because they can't offer the same quality service or goods for a better price. If the customer doesn't benefit from buying your product they will not buy your product, simple as that.
They don't 'own' it, but without them nothing could happen.
Yes, that is why they are hired in the first place. No disagreement there.
Someone else owns it, labor makes it happen. Someone else, who isnt required and provides no input gets a lion's share while the people who make it happen get shafted.
They are required, since they provide the opportunity for a job. If I take out a loan to build a factory and seek customers for the products I produce I am the sole reason that factory exists in the first place. And they aren't getting shafted, they willingly sold their labor for the salary they receive.
How are they gonna make enough money to start their own factory if some capitalist is stealing their surplus value?
A loan. An investor. Start small at an incubator. Go to kickstarter. Save up together with your colleagues and buy a company somewhere down the line.
In a system that makes many worse off for a few to line their off shore accounts, it seems like a giant injustice from my perspective.
Again, global poverty decreases each passing year. Stop spreading this willful ignorance.
I'm offering you an opportunity to save your life with this water bottle. I'm a life creator. All you have to do is give me 50% of all income for the rest of your life. You can negotiate this number with me, or crawl away and die. Maybe you'll run into someone else that only wants 24.5% of your income.
Sounds like a good deal to me. Its a lot better than dying of thirst.
Yes, all I need first is some capital... Well I have no capital to give the bank for a loan. Even if I did, I want a co-op and since those aren't profitable (since workers actually get the value of their labor) banks don't like it. Maybe I could just offer services to someone, oh but everyone wants 25-90% of the value I produce for them. It's almost like there is a systemic issue here.
I know many people that started a business without a loan or any capital whatsoever. Yes, they don't own a gigantic factory, but they are self-employed and are trying to build up their company from scratch. It is hard work, it isn't very rewarding and there is a lot of risk involved. That is why most prefer to work for somebody that takes all the risks for them and get paid the same amount of money regardless of profits.
So you're saying getting money without working is ok. If someone gets paid without working, that means someone works without getting paid appropriately. In other words, someone stole, directly or indirectly, from another person. And you're saying that's ok when you respond with "Yes, so?"
That is not how any of this works at all. First of all I find it very ironic that you assume that CEOs and business owners don't work, while you are too lazy to start your own business and second of all you aren't being stolen from if you willingly sold your labor. If I rent out my van to some guy who needs it for 100 dollars a day and he accepts the deal I am not stealing from him, even though I am earning without working. He agreed to my terms and is a goddamn adult. If he didn't like the terms he shouldn't have agreed to it.
Don't like being exploited, become an exploiter. Everyone can do it.
You don't have to employ people to run a business. And employment is not exploitation, but I have a feeling you don't want to understand that.
You completely missed the given context. Until total automation happens, of course you must work or die. But in this system you must work and give some one else part of the value you caused to create.
No, you really really don't. It is easier to do so, but nobody is forcing you. I can knock on my neighbors door tomorrow and clean his apartment for cash without anybody earning any money of my labor except for me (and the government, sadly). My sister is currently running a business with herself as her only employee. She is a designer and makes art for a living. Where does she "exploit" anybody? Is she "exploiting" the people that willingly pay her for her art and designs?
And wait, if there is total automation do you believe people should be entitled to everything that automation offers? I thought people should be entitled to other peoples property because of all the "exploitation of workers" narrative, but that doesn't hold up at all once workers aren't even needed. How does that work?
IE you must give to someone who does not labor or else you'll be forced to starve as they have all the jobs.
They. Don't. Have. All. The. Jobs.
The communists you're referencing are directly criticizing the capitalist class saying they would starve if labor didn't give them their surplus value.
Yes and by doing so they are arguing against their own philosophy. Irony is hilarious, I know.
You are literally making communist arguments but saying they support capitalism. They do not, you need a class analysis to understand that. This is pretty close to arguments from both Marx and Engels. If you haven't, read The Principles of Communism, it's not that long (~20 pages) and you'll probably find yourself agreeing with what's being presented. After all, you're already making their arguments.
I don't have the time yet to read it, but I'll add it to the list. And yes, you can agree with some arguments without agreeing to all of them. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Dude, you're on reddit, using a high performance device (probably a phone, or a computer, which advanced because of capitalism.) and you want to end capitalism? How do you not see the irony in that?
What are you talking about!? The principles of capitalism practically require a company to treat their workers like shit because it's the best way to make profit.
They may turn a profit, but they're hardly shining examples of the glory of capitalism, they're actively working against it's principles. They're also pretty few and far between from what I can tell.
Socialism on the other hand actually empowers the workers because it treats them better (with automation and efficient allocation of labour, some estimates put the weekly hours of a worker as low as four) and also gives them freedom to do jobs which they actually enjoy.
They turn a profit, but the bottom line is this simple algebra equation:
Profit = value brought in from labor - cost of labor.
The mere existence of profit is proof of exploitation. It demonstratively is wage theft. You shouldn't need an engineer like me to explain basic algebra.
khukk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic and hypocritical it may be, but let's not forget the underside of capitalism is labor force exploitation, as well as income inequality among other problems. I get your point of if you like it don't use but that easier said than done when you live in a capitalistic society.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the results is a socialist division of necessary labour, meaning I and people around me won't work themselves to death to produce profit for a capitalist, it suits me.
Nope, just to produce profit for the "socialist" leadership, incentivizing them to treat humans as a disposable commodity without remaining accountable to market forces.
marx2k ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... Says the trolling novelty account...
tomzephy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism = Innovation, it quite literally bred the West as we know it - think of the most capitalistic society you can think of, then think of the most socialist society - which one would you rather live in?
Seemed like you were speaking for large groups of people
bboy7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just expressed a desire of fraternity between myself, Russians and whoever else might want to partake in an era of peace and lack of geopolitical tensions within the boundaries of this continent. Is it such a contentious dream?
You can live your life without having to work a job. You literally don't have to contribute but everything is still at your disposal. Just scan your wrist.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:21:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have the capability to create terrible cgi.
eRko16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You will be long gone before this happens. And if this happens, good luck us.
baftap ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:32:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? People always talk about AI and robots taking over, but why would they do that? Surely something created by humans would only want to serve humans. Computers don't have greed or the ability to hold grudges, so why would they want to take over the earth. I am excited for AI development as they can do so much, they could be a lasting legacy of humans. Sending robots out to explore the universe for us and make contact with other life etc. We are close to living in a sci-fi utopia.
You can see racism now dawg. Unless you meant the end of racism...
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean an increase in racism. People are too politically correct and as a result evolution has slowed to a halt. Only once weaker races stop procreating can we see the next level of human evolution
AI that surpasses human intelligence. That would lead to so much of the other great things people are talking about here. Or it would kill us all. Either way kinda exciting!
laxt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Campaign finance reform, making it impossible for billionaires to buy off politicians. Legislation and the Office of the Chief Executive will no longer be a lucrative one, but rather one that is placed in the hands of boring, noble, intelligent statespersons.
Those who run for office will do so because they want the job, not because they want the pay, and will be considered by the voting public along these lines.
This alone will fix SO many problems in the US. It's a silver bullet.
If I could have a second accomplishment, it would be a redrawing of all districts to eliminate gerrymandering, which will do wonders in eliminating the political polarisation of Americans.
The reversal of our negative environmental impact. I would love to see a planet earth where humanity lives harmoniously with nature in regards to our consumption, population, energy creation/use, and waste management.
Oh? Is the end of capitalism a stupid thing to hope for?
A system in which automation is viewed as a bad thing, where automation threatens the lives of the working class?
A system in which we have enough food to feed the planet 4 times over yet we let our citizens die without access to food?
A system where 45,000 people die EVERY YEAR due to lack of access to Healthcare?
A system in which we have 6 empty homes owned by banks for every single homeless man, woman, and child?
10RC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I admit that capitalism has flaws, but alternative system (communism, I guess) are even worse. both of my parents grew up in the east bloc, and the life was a nightmare. My mom passed out the first time she saw so many food in a store in France.
Plus, famine and lack of healthcare are major problems in country where corruption and lack of education generate those problems.
The path to Democratic Socialism is to work to democratize the workplace, placing ownership of business in the hands of the workers by evolving the power and structure of unions, eventually mandating unions for every workplace. This will make it easier for the workers to later aquire collective ownership of the means of production.
Meanwhile, the major means of production should be aquired by the public (i.e. food, housing, utilities, internet, etc.)
Taking this multifaceted approach can allow a democracy to decide whether or not we wish to continue to use markets as a mechanism for the means of distribution, or if we want to move to a more equitable mechanism (central planning being top idea among US socialists)
Please check out Democratic Socialists of America at dsausa.org!
Lokthri ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind passing me the sources for any of those numbers? Not point #1 about automation, the other ones.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:48:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trav_X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The invention of a super renewable energy that could replace fossil fuels and create sustainable and environmentally friendly energy for us and people of the future
akromyk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find a mechanism to stop aging and possibly reverse it.
Believe me, for the youngin's out there I just wanna say you'll care a whole lot more when your body ages another 10 years and everything becomes a degree more dull no matter what you do. It's unavoidable atm and one day it'll be you, and you'll never truly understand till then..
Vys3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly less altruistic than a lot of other suggestions but fully immersive virtual reality. Escapism at it's finest.
A cure to aging. I don't want to look like a mummy by the time I kill myself.
sayge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Matrix-like VR. Certainly not for the purposes you're thinking of, you dirty bastard.
gt35r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The James Webb Telescope in full working order, successfully opened and functional in space. I am extremely excited to see the data collected and the pictures taken from it, I just really hope it goes up and opens up without any issues. I trust that NASA know what they are doing though.
Humans go to Mars and we encounter aliens. ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฝ
Endulos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy space travel and gigantic ass space ships.
It will NEVER happen in my life time, but shit like the Enterprise, Normandy, Pillar of Autumn and so on being common... That would be so fucking cool. It saddens me this shit may never happen in my lifetime :(
At the current pace, that shits a good 200-300 years away.
Creation of a simulated reality in which the minds of the dead or dying can be uploaded to live as alternative versions of their younger selves forever; and which the living can visit for up to five hours per week (see Black Mirror TV episode, San Junipero)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone says colonize mars, but I say the moon. Three days away by rocket rather than six months, usable soil, frozen water and, here is the best part. How much easier would it be to have a ship take off from the moon or earth? Moon, duh. The moon could become a port, our stepping stone to other worlds
I like the idea of my mind would be transferred into a super computer and I could live a peaceful/perfect life inside a simulation just like in that game SOMA.
I'd like to see a reversal of global warming through both renewable energy and massive cleanup efforts. Viable fusion reactors are within reach, we just need to make that final leap.
AGI would be pretty interesting to see. Theoretically it would solve economic turmoil, world hunger and many more issues. We could reach a very prosperous time in our human history.
Viable treatments and a possible cure for serious neurological conditions like Parkinson's Disease and MND. Someone once said of neurology that it's like being unable to explore uncharted waters because the right sort of boat has yet to be invented.
Apparently, there have been some very promising developments in MS treatments that don't involve wiping out the immune system and starting again. I am told by a friend in the know that a fully working, universal cure for MS might be available within 10-15 years. The TL;DR is they know what needs to happen but are having issues with drug interactions and getting everything to work in concert.
Actually, immunotherapy in general. Being able to control and possibly cure autoimmune diseases of all kinds would be sweet.
Cure for Cancer, Cure for any HIV mutations, Solution to World Hunger, Biomechanical Implants that give a unique abilities ("repomen"), Fully-functional Sexbots, the usual.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want a sequel to Hotwheels: Highway 35. That movie was the shite!
A wireless charging router. Instead of having to put your phone on a pad or dock to wirelessly charge it, I want to see something be invented that sends that signal throughout the house
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find reliable alternatives to gasoline and oil. This way everyone can pull out of the middle east since there will be nothing there anyone will want anymore. Then they can just blow themselves up in peace like they've been trying to do for thousands of years.
I want a fully functional holodeck (like from star trek) as a room of my house.
No need to go on a vacation, or even have a rest of your house, or have much stuff as long as you have a working holodeck. Heck, program in friends, SO, a time in history, future, fantasty world, etc. Your imagination is your limit.
Humans actually helping the climate and creating less pollution. In the future, I wouldn't want my future kids to have to deal with pollution, so I hope we could change that in this generation.
Fusion power. The end of petroleum based plastics. teleporters... or at least something that can send us coast to coast or continent to continent in under an hour.
Basically the point at which energy becomes so available to us that practically nothing is outside our reach, that AI and robotics becomes so advanced that it self-perpetuates, that human labor is obsolete, and humans can basically quit obsessing over pointless shit like money and power.
Instead, we'll find other pointless shit to obsess about.
Filmed breaking of the record for world's largest cumshot, into a measuring device. As horrifically perverse as it might be, I just think it would be an impressive video, that should be captured, both for verification purposes and posterity for whatever comes after our current society, if they can find a way to view the file.
Edit: I thought I was on my throwaway where I make dumb jokes but never mind. I don't think anyone that important knows my Reddit main.
Nuclear Fusion. Small form factor subterranean fusion reactors. Quite literally the design of Taylor Wilson. If you have not seen him speak about this and even have a mild interest in nuclear fusion, I recommend it.
Slavske ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aston Villa to win the premier league
nthai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George R. R. Martin finishing The Winds of Winter.
I love science and I want to say landing on mars. But I really hope we learn a little humility and achieve a more peacefully and more efficient planet to live on.
Zaldun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see all currency regulated by private agencies instead of by government. Just take a look at how much wealth was created by the invention of bitcoin.
aDp20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A tablet that replicates the full effects of having 8 hours sleep.
Imagine what we could do with all that extra time.
A functional, effective UN would be nice, some place we could actually hash out stuff like Ukraine and the Middle East and North Korea and aid to Africa, without resorting to war and wasteful corruption like we always have.
Getting real tired of the "but veto" explanation of why the UN can't address things that are clearly within its purview.
I'd love to see something equivalent to antigravity. Anything that could make commuting in space cheap and affordable. I think that only a few decades after that, we could start some really BIG projects out in the solar system because we'll be able to drag really large mining (etc) equipment into orbit and elsewhere. We could finally start a Dyson swarm.
A massive reduction in the effect of consumed resources. Given enough clean energy, I wonder if it'll be possible for garbage processors to deconstruct things into their composing elements and reuse everything. I wonder if with clean enough energy we could process the CO2 right out of the atmosphere and bury a few million tons of solid, relatively inert carbon somewhere.
Complete control over the flow of data in personal computing that is free of negative, counter-intuitive user experience anomalies that arise from institutions that don't have "user's experience of the internet" as the single most highest priority in their mind as they're engineering the tools and interfaces vs profit motive, e.g. "we don't put that hyperlink on the home page so users will have to click through this layer of content we want to sell them on"; we don't let them drag and drop files onto the device so they will have to manage its contents through our app; right-clicking disabled by javascript; bandwidth selectively throttled; government censorship; confusing language to deliver/suggest a low-key marketing message instead of straightforward communication that always only guides the user to understand how to get the information they want as fast as possible; leaving out certain features that it is well-understood users would obviously enjoy having to be able to use the tools the best and most enjoyable way because it would grossly undermine the profit motive.
Planet-wide information systems architecture that thrives without even the capacity for the kind of corruption/meddling capable from governments or telecom companies altering the experience to make it less anything than it could be at its most advantageous: unlimited free information and art and education and literature, provided as intuitively as possible, at the fingertips of any curious person who wants to learn in any country in any language.
I think it's inevitable. It would be cool to see it during my lifetime, though.
I wanted to live long enough to see a black president. I didn't realize how easy that would be, so now I wanna see a really really gay president. I wanna see all different kinds of presidents.
Some have said faster than light travel. I would be more than happy if we could build a rocket that could sustain a 1g acceleration.
That would open up the entire solar system to us
Time travel, vacation on the moon, instant gene therapy results. All medical illnesses cured. Drive thrus give the right order the first time every time.
Not just because I'd love to play games with this technology, but because I think VR could have great potential in everything from training to therapy.
It's something I'd really like to experience before my time is up. I feel like I could die happy knowing I saw some sci-fi fantasy esque magical shit before the end.
RedZ19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every device charges from antennas. I can live with the grid still powering appliances, but most electronics should never need to be plugged in as long as they're in range of a towet.
Cure diabetes. And every disease, it is just such and unfair and heartbreaking part of life.
My stepson developed type 1 in second grade.
Yesterday he visited a child in the hospital who was diagnosed a few days ago. It's a child that I have been tutoring for 2 years. The parents are overwhelmed and terrified, as we were.
Neural links. I want to be able to interface my mind directly with external hardware. I honestly believe that cybernetic enhancements will be the next big thingTM . We're already augmenting our lives with technology, and we can't hardly lead a typical modern existence without it. Using a neural link as the mode of interfacing with the technology isn't really changing the technology we use; it'll just speed up the rate at which we're able to use it.
I'm also expecting this to lead to being able to read/write to the brain. This could enable your brain to be downloaded and run on an electronic computer instead of your fleshy brain. That's effectively immortality. As long as I have access to that technology the day before my body dies, I'm good with it.
Carbon sequestering happening on a scale sufficient to eventually reverse the damage we've done to the atmosphere. Actually, I want that real soon, but I'd die feeling a lot better about my kid's future if it happens somewhere along the way.
Eliminating religion and allocating all those resources towards fixing the environment. Seriously, it's a lot of man-hours, attention, focus and of course money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone finding the cure to all of the incurable diseases put there, even just one. That's a headline I'd love to see.
Cures to neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's, ALS, Parkinson's, MS, etc. They are among the cruelest diseases we have, I'd like to one day know we can truly combat these awful diseases and either beat them into submission or greatly extend the longevity and quality of life of sufferers.
The Charter of the United Nations achieved even in part. No endeavour has ever been signed and agreed to in such scale in the past. It truly is our greatest, and most foolhardy, ambition.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity. AKA: an A.I. creates and A.I. smarter than itself. Would revolutionize science, engineering, economics, and pretty much life in general.
TAFK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for alzheimers. Grandpa has it right now and I can only imagine if me or my dad get it. I just want to talk to my grandpa again and know he remembers who I am or even the words I'm saying to him. In my opinion it's worse than my grandpa dying in some regards.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you think about human achievement, you think of incredible feats of strength or intelligence. Like lifting something so heavy no human ever has before, running farther or faster than anybody ever had before, or building a vessel that can take you father and faster than any other vehicle has before.
Unfortunately we have digressed too much as a species, recently.. The single achievement I want for the better of our people is:
The disarmament of nuclear weapons and the materials used to power the earth for thousands of years. This would also result in drastic decrease in carbon emission, netting a slight cooling period, if I'm not mistaken.
ragatty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to see Usain Bolt at his peak push through the final 10 meters of a race, crack 9.58 and see what the human body was capable of but I guess we'll never know...
Proper Heart disease screening, prevention, and awareness. It's not too hard! For the number 1 killer, its redious how little people are aware and the common theme is to go to the doctor or get refereed to a specialist when you show symptoms. news flash, when you show symptoms usually you are well into heart disease and build up in your cardiovascular system.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total nuclear disarmament. Of course it will probably be preceded by the development of, like, ground based super lasers or something which makes nukes totally useless but I'm pretty ok with that.
I would like to see me get over my divorce at some point in my lifetime. It's been two years since she left and I'm only 33 years old, but still, I'm not counting on it.
Tech that takes away jobs from:
corporate lawyers,
CEOs & executives,
$multi-billion hedge fund & real estate investors,
lobbyists, and
politicians
instead of laborers, drivers, agricultural workers, and the better part of the lower and middle class.
Peaceful contact with extra terrestrials and, if it is the case, governments of the world admit that peaceful contact was made decades ago but the public was kept in the dark to preserve civilisation as we know it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rise of Biotechnology, given that scientists are able to do ethically 'controversial' research, resulting in the cure of genetic disorders in humans and maybe even breakthroughs in synthetic biology (like a fully designed animal or tree).
TyeWin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. I know it's too much to ask and not going to happen, but I'm so sick of all the hate.
MpMerv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars. After self-driving cars become universal, cars will finally be able to fly safely because it'll all be in the hands of AI. You just input your destination, the car calculates a route, it recognizes all the other millions of cars along its route, it plans a trajectory based on this information since all the flying cars share the same server, it even plans where its "parking spot" will be and reserves it so other cars know it's pretaken. Then it hovers off the ground until it's at a height agreed upon by it and all the other flying cars in the server, rotates itself towards its destination, and propels itself to top speed until it gets close, slows down, stops, rights itself, and lowers itself into the "parking spot". No more time wasted commuting and stuck in pointless traffic.
Mass realisation that there is enough resources to go around for everyone on the planet and the reason it isn't spread out fairly is that we are ruled by cunts.
Mars would be amazing.. but being greedy I look forward to affordable space tourism. Seeing planet earth from space with my own eyes sounds pretty gosh darn great.
Nergaal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, but affordable to the masses
LottieB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit embarrassed reading the comments about world peace and clean drinking water when my first thought was "getting to diamond rank in Overwatch".
A cure and/or vaccine to at least one more major disease, e.g. diabetes, heart disease, cancer, MS, ...
Note: I realize these are all terms that encompass multiple similar conditions. I'm just using them as examples. I'd be perfectly happy if they cured type 2 diabetes.
Basic Universal Income. I think it would allow more people to be creative or entrepreneurial, and help with those who can only work part time. There are trials taking place in Finland, I'm interested to see how they go.
Fully functioning artificial pancreases, so Type I diabetics like our friends' young daughter, no longer have to wear an insulin pump 24/7, or worry about nighttime lows/slipping into a coma.
First woman to break 4 minutes in the mile (1609m). The 1500m is raced in international events (meaning it is raced much more often) and the current record is 3:50.07. This time converts to approximately 4:07.5 for the mile.
dnesteb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Definitely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloned (or otherwise brought back from extinction) dinosaurs, or at least a cloned wooly mammoth.
Cloning efficiently. It would be nice to revive all the species we killed off. Also, I'd like to try dodo nuggets. Imagine going to a nice restaurant and having dinosaur on the menu.
I don't know. Maybe see climate change stabilized. They hypothesize that the world won't be habitable as soon as 2100. I'd be about 106, which I could probably live to. So not seeing the world ending in my lifetime would be cool.
Just hoverboards that aren't these gimmicky shits they call hoverboards.
(Also that weird frozenagnet board doesn't count since it only works in that one skatepark)
Getting groped by 19 year old hot chicks in nightclub aggressively while they put drugs on my drinks and continue to rape me for numerous hours in hotel that they paid achievement.
eNaRDe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of my list that already happened is seeing America choose a Black President and weed basically being legal everywhere (pretty soon).
Finding life in Space and the Mars mission but that was never on my list until now. Never thought it would happened so I didnt even bother to want it see it happen :)
I'm from Barcelona, I wish I could see 'Sagrada Familia" finished before I die, that would be a great deal.
Edit: spelled "befor" instead of "before"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd personally love to see a massive breakthrough on human transportation. The kind of thing that can whisk someone around the world from New York City to Tokyo in an hour or two.
No idea what that would entail, but it sure would be awesome to see.
"Welfare" is just a catch-all term for a dozen different programs - Most of which are temporary, some of which are counterproductive, and all of which are difficult-to-impossible to qualify for.
The thing about universal basic income is that it's universal. Everybody is eligible, and nobody gets kicked off it because their situation changed or some arbitrary clock ran out. A fully functional UBI system would effectively eliminate homelessness and starvation.
Honestly I think this fictitious wall of Trump's would be interesting. People seem to gloss over that it would be one of the largest engineering/building feats in history, a great wall spanning a continent. I'm not condoning or condemning, but the completion of such a wall would not be half impressive.
The recreation and repopulation of Dinosaurs. Hell yeah I want to bring my children to a Jurassic Park. And dinosaurs would solve like a bunch of problems. Drop a T-Rex in North Korea and let it do its business.
Everyone is using the "getting to Mars" or "colonizing Mars" but I just want to see some sort of terraforming project take shape at scale. Something along the lines of a machine or object that we can place on a planet to increase the pressure/oxygen/water so we can create life on a planet almost devoid of it. I don't even really need to see it changing before my eyes but just the knowledge that when I am about to die, that the human race will be working towards sustainable colonization efforts.
Settlement of space. Self-supporting colonies on Mars and the Moon, outposts on other planets, effort to terraform Venus, and demonstration of a practical FTL drive.
draigor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nature making a comeback. Mostly, deforestation subsiding to the point where growth outweighs it. And people have more access to clean water, antibiotics and food. I'm by no means a hippie (I'm a carnivore, I like heavy metal and titties) but I wish this for future generations like my kids. They have enough other problems facing them as it is growing up in this world in its current state.
Having enough computer power to solve chess. I have a bet going with my buddy. He thinks its a draw but I have the high hopes of it being a forced win for white.
The meaning of existence. I may the only idiot who thinks this,but sometimes i reflect on life and think on the cosmic scale,like. We are like a few minor organisms in the universe,other than surviving,i'd like to know if there was a higher purpose than just living ur dreams.
Actual global unification, with reasonable access to food, water, and health services. But, hey that's supposed to be a precursor to end times. So, good with the bad right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gasoline cars become obsolete. Less realistic is a gasoline itself becomes obsolete
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap renewable energy on a new smarter grid so we can use that energy on our schedule, automated transport, vertical and hydroponic growing, leading to...
JPGer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical science advancing to the point u can have a whole body reconstruction, or see the tech get to where i can be a brain in a containment unit hooked up to VR.
Everyone's talking about Mars and space exploration but we've only discovered 5% of earths oceans. There's practically a whole other world beneath us that could contain creatures or a whole other life system we've never seen before. It would be awesome to discover what's really down there.
A shift in human consciousness. I want something to drive us to feeling connected to each other and all the other creatures on our planet. No matter how far we look we're the most unique thing about our part of the universe. I guess I want a spaceship Earth mentality where we are the stewards of the ship instead of a momentary parasite.
Nuclear fusion or some (other) source of ridiculously cheap, clean energy to keep BAU going for another 80 years at least without totally screwing up the planet in the process. Plus cloud power the next phase of the space race. Fossil fuels are on their last leg.
I'd like people to stop posting videos of concerts on social media. It's unlikely, but if it happens, we'll be taking a step in the right direction as a society.
I want to see us control global warming by not exceeding two degree Celsius benchmark by the end of this century. Seriously, people have no idea how scary it is.
Also actual photos/samples of the creatures that might be living in Lake Vostok and other subglacial lakes, which have been isolated from the world, its believed the lakes are millions of years old and may have life that evolved differently from what we know today. Plus if there examples of life in Vostok then there may be life in the subglacial lakes of Jupiter's moons Europa.
Twuntz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Molecular 3D printing that can create complex machinery & electronics.
Everything in this thread (secularism, clean water, fully renewable electricity, etc.), plus, and I know it's a long shot, but faster than light travel. We probably couldn't send people to begin with (spaceships are going to be way complex) but robot probes that bring back photos and samples would be cool.
katuc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legitimate virtual reality. I truly believe that within my lifetime we will see the ability to transport our minds into fully fleshed out fictional realities without having to move a muscle.
Of course once that happens anyone who can afford it will promptly cease contributing to society, but I think that's worth it.
Guesty_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put man kind in the moon. I was born in 1991, so it's one to see what they can do with modern day technology.
Really ? Can't believe all these people want to find life beyond earth blah blah blah, how about we end war,hunger, poverty and homelessness in every country on the planet before we start worrying about other planets and aliens eh ? Pretty sure the way we act they won't want a relationship anyway.
Shawncb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my brother have discussed at length our desire to see science enable mankind to live indefinitely. We just hope that technology doesn't come about until the older, close minded generations all die out.
A country creating and allowing an A.I. to run most facets of its government.
I know that doesn't sound like a "human" achievement, but I think it'll actually take a lot of maturity for people to accept that computers are inherently more efficient at most things than us.
ExRays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super efficient, widely producible, and inexpensive solar panels.
Edyd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One world order and curing addiction from the hardest drugs
I'd like to see climate change stopped and even reversed a little bit.
First: because if we can't do this, nothing else much matters. I don't like thinking about my children and their children stuck on a world that's headed for disaster.
Second: because this would be the most incredible achievement. It would require geopolitical cooperation, scientific innovation, planet-scale engineering, and even ordinary people will have to change and do their part.
A mission to Mars would be cool, but I think we have the major science figured out for that, and it's just a question of budget. But to truly understand a working model of our climate, and find a way to get people all working together... those are currently beyond our frontier. I'd like to see that change before I die.
epote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously no one wants to see superinteligence and our evolution (or replacement) by silicon life?
Hopefully I'll get to see humans land on Mars and some point. Oh and getting to see a woman land on the moon would be great too, I feel like the moon is too often overlooked when it comes to space exploration
The ability for people to just establish a level of understanding of all of our differences. Just a more peaceful world where people don't just bomb the shit out of people who have different beliefs.
Humans requiring more than 24 hours to wreck the planet would be nice
mijeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A REAL cure for cancer. My sister lost her life at age 18 in 2013 to brain cancer the second time around (first time was leukemia when she was 11), my dad died of a broken heart the following year, and a cure is all I've ever wanted since then.
Teleportation may seem like science fiction, but we have already teleported [information] from a satellite recently. Being able to have information instantly would be great. Imagine lag free internet, being able to travel the universe and communicate in real time. Physical teleportation would be amazing as well, because if I have to sit in traffic in Atlanta one more time...
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to the idea that economical growth should be the sole aim of modern society. I like to think that humans in the distant future will look upon this period as one of humanity's silly phases.
A future like Star Trek where there is no longer a need for currency, and people are able to obtain basic human necessities like food clothing shelter and healthcare as a human right and on the basis of human dignity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of corporations buying governments and abusing the people they're supposed to represent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I think about all the huge forward leaps we've made in communication... in just over 150 years going from morse code to live high def video conferencing on mobile devices over cellular... I am extremely impressed and amazed.
In my life, I'd like to see a leap of that kind in medicine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people having the civil fucking rights they deserve
entire reform of public schooling and health care (might be USA specific, but I know there are other countries that aren't doing so hot in those areas either)
something better than the goddamn micro SD charger
We understand so little about the brain (compared to how complex it is-- not like we know nothing). But if we could understand better a number of its processes and then come up with better treatments for neurodegenerative diseases (Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc.) or things like TBI, that would be pretty awesome.
Plus, understanding the brain better would also give us more insight into the nervous system as a whole. More information there might help us understand how/why nerves don't regenerate and this could help us with spinal injuries.
So... nervous system information and progress, basically.
Realistically, I would say a major human achievement we could see is a biofuel that can actually compete with gasoline. Currently, the biofuel we get from certain plants like sorghum often will not provide enough fuel to get the machinery across the field to harvest it
Important scientific achievemnts in general, tho I'd like humans to go on other planets or even start colonizing the moon/planets or discovering other sentient life or even just big advancement in medicine and chemistry (which is a field I'd actually like to work in). I'd also settle for less corrupted politicians and a successful effort to stop climate change.
EDIT: the (peaceful if possible) eradication of religion is fine too
A comprehensive meteor collision defense system. Unless I missed something recently we're still vulnerable to fatalities on a scale of millions from a potential collision. Should happen in parallel with interplanetary travel expeditions.
Because I was given shitty advice as a kid in terms of diet, I'd love to see the management of shitty teeth repair as something other than drilling and filling.
I want lab-grown meat to be developed to the point it becomes mainstream. Just seems like it would be so much more efficient and ethical than mass-farming animals.
Not being completely incompetent political human beings and unifying all resources to maximize our time on this planet or make a run at trying to move the human population to habitable planets.
I don't think we should be setting up a colony there just yet but we could really do with having an achievement that the whole world can look on and say "wow".
I'd also like to see us fix global warming and figure out fusion power but I don't suppose they will happen in my lifetime.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of our nukes (does anyone really think it's sustainable to have thousands of nukes around indefinitely)
An enormous extension of youth, to where we dont grow old until we're 300 years in or something. Sure this would no doubt cause other problems in the world, but this is in the scenario we can deal with them. Life is too short.
Never going to happen. Big Pharma is the legal drug Mafia and would lose $Trillions. My dad had leukemia. The cancer treatment drug Gleevec cost about $5,000 for a 90 day supply.
I worked on research for Pfizer for 10 years and the cost of bringing a drug to market is crazy. You can spend $100 million in 10 potential drugs, 1 makes it past all clinical trials and gets FDA approval. You then have 10 years or so to make ALL the money back for this drug before the patent expires, also need to recoup for the drugs that didn't make it and for ongoing research and development.
I think the government has to help with research expenses and pass the savings in to patients.
I'm sorry about what your dad went through and despite my above explanation I totally get why people hate big pharma.
I understand the cost of research and development in the pharmaceutical industry, and yes, the government should help fund new drug development and then they would have a moral and legal right to reign in costs. BTW, new patents allow companies to keep drug monopolies for 20 years. Source:https://www.forbes.com/2002/05/02/0502patents.html
It still doesn't address that main issue which is how much money should Big Pharma make on new drugs. They could have charged my father $100,000 for Gleevec to extend his life for 3 months. Where is the ceiling? By your argument why doesn't the patent EVER expire. Why can't drug companies keep a drug monopoly forever? Pfizer paid for all the R and D out of their pocket so don't they have intellectual rights indefinately? See where this is going.
Yeah, I was guessing at what the patent period is now.
Ive been out of the business for 9 years now. I was an advocate of big pharma's right to prosper until I got laid off and the CEO got a 68 million dollar golden parachute.
Obamacare isn't perfect but it is great for my family. I paid $1,200 a month for Blue Cross with a $2,000 family deductible. I couldn't go to my local hospital because it was "high cost share". I pay $200 a month for Obamacare with $0 deductible and I can go to any hospital.
Removing lobbying from congress and having fair elections
ego1014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea being evacuated except for the government, and being destroyed by their own bombs because they have no one left around to throw their missiles across the Pacific.
I imagine Un saying to himself "I am God, I can throw this all by myself" and it going no further than the kid from the Sandlot's first pitch.
Might not be as glamorous as world peace or a manned mission to Mars, but I've seen first hand the pain and inconvenience it can cause, not just to the patient but everyone around them. It is an evil disease.
If it's not cured and I'm ever diagnosed, I'll be checking myself into a Swiss clinic pronto.
Surprised no one has said climate engineering. Many are talking about slowing down global warming by forcing people to make lifestyle changes. Even if that were feasible (it's not) why don't we focus on actually removing CO2 from the atmosphere and actively controlling the atmospheric and oceanic temperature of the earth? We have enough of a concept of the mechanism that causes global warming, all we need is the energy and resources to put systems in place to get the climate back to how it was ~100 years ago.
Going further, we may even be able to prevent storms like hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. that claim thousands of lives every time they strike. We can bring rain to areas like deserts where the land is effectively useless and turn it all into usable land.
This is one of those things that will be a stepping stone between a species that can control the resources the earth provides to a species that can actually control the earth itself. It would be incredible to see even the start of climate engineering within my lifetime.
sigurdz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Valve banning cheating CS:GO professional players.
Interplanetary travel, or the first deep space human traveler. I am 37 now. It seems feasible that in the next 20-30 years we could develop a propulsion system that make this a possibility.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some day all organ transplants will be stem cell based organ transplants. If that happens within my lifetime, then I get a whole new lifetime to hope for us to achieve even greater things!
INTP36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The legalization and/or and end to governments holding patents on life saving drugs and procedures for life threatening diseases such as cancer or heart disease.
Nobody is truly free unless we are allowed a healthy life.
I want to see a space colony. Mars, moon or some asteroid. I just want to see humans living in space so I can die knowing that human race won't be wiped out by nuclear war or some stupid murderous asteroid.
Life extension. But only if it can also make me young again. Fuck getting old.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bio engineering should be going full swing in a couple of years which will allow us to live forever. so most of us will probably live to be thousands of years old. so no worries about 'your lifetime'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy Horse, that shit is huge
jkohl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gundams. Or an equivalent giant robot mech suit. Doesnt even need to be Gundam sized, 3 stories tall would do me just fine.
R0ot2U ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I found out that 'Mech technology, even rudimentary stuff, was being produced for military or civilian use, I'd change my whole life to be a part of it.
I'd quit my job, I'd sell my stuff, I'd leave everyone and everything behind to get shipped off to Space Marine school on Mars, if it meant I'd get to pilot a giant robot.
It doesn't even have to be cool. I'd happily work a boring, minimum-wage job for the rest of my life, if I could operate a Power Loader like they do in Aliens. I'd do the really dirty black ops work and never bat an eye, so long as I'm committing my war crimes from inside a real, live Titan.
I don't need to be a good guy. I don't need to be remembered. I don't care if I die screaming in a twisted metal death machine. I want to shoot big guns and drive big robots.
zyocuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income. I hope that AI takes over enough jobs that this happens. And more people can just do things they enjoy instead of spending so much time at work, away from family and friends.
A cure for Alzheimer's. It'll be too late for my mother, but it will stop other children from having to suffer through watching their parents disappear a bit at a time.
Closing the achievement gap for students of color, low socio economic status, and lgbtq students. Ensuring the all children receive an effective and equitable education which will prepare them to be productive citizens and contribute to society.
Honestly? While I'd love to see miracle cures for all of these horrible diseases, I think first I'd want to actually see progress made towards providing basic healthcare and shelter to just one entire country.
baudday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People actually caring about other people who aren't exactly like them
Being able to attach new limbs and regain full function and sensation, whether it be robotic or a donor limb. Definitely could see this one happening in my lifetime
1) Converting all/most energy resources to sustainables/renewables
2) Ending world hunger and drought
3) Seeing the leaders of the world unite in peace
4) Creating education and schools for all children/young adults everywhere
5) Creating affordable healthcare to all people
6) Finding other intelligent/cognitive lifeforms
7) Getting people to mars or other planets in our solar system
I know it's a lot to ask for but seeing these things would make me so darn happy.
The most important thing that can happen to humanity which is: we go extraterrestrial.ย
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super efficient solar panels and inverter at Home Depot or Loews as easily available as 4x8 plywood. 1,000 watts for $200. Grid inverter for less than $500. 10,000 watt sealed battery pack for less than $1,000. I'd buy 15K watts and string together the batteries for 40,000 watts.
OR something else like that, like fuel cell or something. Basically, independently producible power that's affordable.
Its' getting there now. I can get panels for less than 40 cents a watt. Inverters are still expensive though.
An efficient way of working with the impending overpopulation of earth without turning it to shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not what I necessarily want to see, but what I see happening... Being able to use someones face as a social media code, i.e. hold your phone camera up to their face and it instantly finds their Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc, the same way snap-chat codes work to add each other.
I want to see humanity begin to live somewhere other than this earth. The Moon, Mars, or even further. I want to see rockets take off headed to explore space. To casually get on a ship and be headed to another planet far away just like we do with planes on Earth today.
I would love to be on them, but I'm 25 now and I don't see it happening in my lifetime, at least not while I am young and in good health to go.
xd366 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fixing that thing where the doors lock if you pull the handle as soon as the car is unlocked
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space vacations! Basically a cruise line in space. I'm hoping to have another 40+ years on this planet, would be awesome to spend some time off of it every now and then before I die. :D
ooboh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accepting that we are but a blip in the history of human civilizations on this planet.
b_tight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power
ctl7g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait until the widespread ubiquitous access to the internet undercuts the racial, religious, ethnic, etc divide that so many people form and become a part of from growing up in some form of isolation.
I honestly think that videos of kids playing soccer or goofy whatever videos is the hope of future people seeing themselves and not "the other" that will give us the best chance at world peace, or making a unified mission to other planets etc like many of these other redditors want to see achieved.
I am hopeful for the biggest changes coming from these small things.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The completion of Gaudi's Sagrada Famรญlia, an architectural masterpiece that is still being built, nearly 135 years after the ground was first broken on the project.
Automated interstate travel. We're centuries away from all roads being able to be successfully traversed by automated vehicles, but only a few decades away from the interstates being able to support them. Sort of like "the Jetsons" where you can drive your car normally everywhere except the major thoroughfare.
Creating small livin organism easily on a computer
crawyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans being able to live past 100 on average.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human immortality through head transplantation and dementia suppression. The longer you live the smarter you get (Not always, I understand). Think about that plus immortality.
anti biotics and anti-viral improving to the point where there is no such thing called "resistant" anymore. i know that making non resistible biotics is dangerous because well, it will fuck with you just as much as the invaders (we use bacteria to digest food in case you don't know).
550r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see poverty eliminated in at least one nation. I believe that this will allow people to take risks and pursue passions like never before and that will cause a boom of creators that will help tackle a lot of the things mentioned here. That's why I'm such a big proponent of UBI.
artgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending of war without killing creativity, freedom, and liberty. Otherwise, I think technology will continue to make killing easier and easier for independent and institutional groups alike - and I think technology is the reason for the immediate urgency in psyche evolution.
An international federation that acts as the larger Earth government with the previous countries that reside in it being representative states. This would be cool.
Hunger getting eradicated completely from this world. We don't deserve to call ourselves the most intelligent species when so many people go to sleep with an empty stomach every night.
I would love to see a unanimous recognition of global climate change and man's impact on the environment. It's so difficult to fix our home when half the people are so adamant that there's nothing wrong at all. I recently had a daughter and the realization that my actions will directly affect her and her children's future is very sobering. I don't want my great grandchildren to live in a desert wasteland because a great deal of people were too concerned with today's profits that they ignored tomorrow's problems.
Sustainable large-scale life off planet Earth. It's necessary for the continuation of life as we know it. Eventually a planet killing space object is going to obliterate Earth and we need some kind of defense.
Anyone who's worked in an ER can tell you that the apocalypse could very well be caused by every single old person falling at once. Society would never recover.
St. Louis Blues winning the Stanley Cup. I've seen multiple Cardinals World Series wins and even a Rams Super Bowl win...or two...If i get to see the trifecta i will be able to die happy. Also i guess the cancer and space colonization stuff, that would be neat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First female American president. As a girl who's grown up wanting to be in politics, seeing a woman in the highest office in America and probably the world would be amazing.
Good Brain-Computer Interfaces allowing prosthesis to work as fast and as precise as a real limb. This also mean that Matrix-like VR, without the death part and the spear to the brain part, would be really close and I would love to see that too.
Everyone's wishing for great things...meanwhile my first thought is that I want to feel like I've finally reach success before I die, whenever it is. That happy moment people say as the moment you can safely say to yourself that you've made it.
Planetary expansion (Mars will be enough) , the ability to reprogram DNA in a useful vaccine style manner and deus ex body limbs. I know how awesomely close we are to all of these issues. So I'm hopeful that they'll become more amazing as time goes on!
Everyone's going to say cure cancer, go to other planets... Fuck that and all the other, we should teach our kids how to be better people and how to create a better society where everyone is helping each other. We, as a society, are doomed.
Whiona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering aliens. I believe very strongly that they're out there (and no, I don't think the government is covering up UFOs or they built the pyramids or whatever) because surely, we can't be the only life-bearing planet in this unbelievably massive universe. I just want to know what they're like before I die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete change to sustainable energy production - choosing to use a certain device only because you have enough money to buy the power, without having to justify it because of the climate. Fusion reactor could be helpful in this regard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full biological human rejuvination. In other words, we get old and sick because our cells and DNA slowly become damaged over time. Like a car we can reverse the damage in theory but most medical research is just focused on symptoms. Hopefully we'll get our head together
I'd love to see the point where robotics become so advanced that we have both perfect robotic prosthetics and fully sentient robot people.
Imagine a point where loosing a hand is equal to loosing your hair or adult teeth. "Oh, you lost your hand in an accident? Here's a robot hand, you won't notice a difference." Or if it were possible to fully restore sight, hearing, or even the use of someone's legs by using robotics.
Robotic people, on the other hand, is just something that I think would be really cool, and probably wouldn't solve as many problems as robotic prosthetics. I just want to be able to make friends with a robot and/or marry one.
It wouldn't be possible to build colonies on Venus or Mars in my lifetime, but I'm pretty sure we could change the surface temperatures to begin the process.
Advances in stem cell therapy to cure MS.
Good progress has been made on that front, so I hope it'll become mainstream before my wife would qualify for experimental treatment.
I always think about the future where the most things are autonom etc. And i hope that we can evolve to a heathy, clean race with a good system which gives everyone a good chance to be who you are. Peace all over earth for the most. And that we can manage that jump without having a big war. I am. Somewhat scared but also excited.
Realistically? Humans landing on Mars for sure. Fantasy? Unlocking the secrets to faster space travel. In more earthly terms I'd probably want cures for most diseases. Cancer, Alzheimers, ect.
ieshido ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable space travel. Maybe something like "Moon Resort", at I don't know, 1500/2000 euros/dollars. I'd really really like to in space. Ah and world peace curing cancer etc
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically I want to see a manned mission to Mars. I have the utmost respect for those men who landed on the moon and think they are the most courageous people ever to walk the Earth. I would think the same of whoever goes to Mars.
However I think it would be a grave journey and most likely the crew would never return. It would break my heart to know that those astronauts and their families would never be together again. All for science, exploration, and discovery. It's beautiful and tragic at the same time.
bbakks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a bag of chips without all the broken chips at the bottom.
I would love it if they found the cause of Autism. I have a little brother diagnosed Autism and have dedicated my life to helping others with Autism. So it would be great to know the straight up cause.
M3INER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Energy producing fusion, that is sustainable. And not that we only got 60% of the energy we put in back and got to run it for 1 second and 22 milli seconds. It would solve pretty much all our energy problems, allow us to fuse new materials and would be a huge advancement for space exploration and colonization.
Even better prosthetics and technical aids. Something that can really bridge the gap between human beings and technology. I would love anyone and everyone to be able to walk, see, touch, hear using these instruments just as if were their own body. And it would be a human right to have access to them too.
The technological singularity. The invention of an AI that self recursively improves itself, which in short order leads to an explosion in its intelligence and capability. The one invention that can lead to solving any of the discoveries here that haven't already been achieved, if properly aligned with our goals.
I'm old enough that I won't likely be around long enough to see the world that we create with such new capability, but I'd be satisfied just knowing we got there before tearing ourselves apart.
The finishing of the Crazy Horse monument in South Dakota. It's been in progress since 1919 (I think). Would be an incredible piece of environmental engineering.
Some kind of affordable nutritional substance that can be adjusted to exactly our nutritional needs and also able to taste however we want. And doesn't hurt our environment.
I just want to act like a fat person and eat as much as I want of something that tastes good but is nutritionally good for me so I'm not actually fat.
I'd really like Musks hyper-tube deal to not only become a reality but actually succeed. Have a funny feeling that something will happen to prevent it from moving forward.
I would like us to develop a fail safe for the entire planet that essentially allows organic life to reboot in the presence of a catastrophic disaster that would otherwise render the planet void of all biomass.
This would include a solution to preserve the entirety of human knowledge to hopefully prevent future humans from making the same mistakes.
Just off the top of my head, I think they should call it: Project Zero Dawn.
Imagine if we were incapable of feeling sexual impulse. Or irrational anger or pride.
Imagine how differently the world would have developed if no one had these primal urges - I mean almost every decision would be based purely on reason and sound logic.
Obviously that means no more rape or unplanned pregnancies - but maybe it'll even prevent some wars from ever happening.
I'd love to see the day where we can at least be closer to this way of thinking.
More efficient batteries. It'd be kind of nice not having to worry about charging your phone once a day
Onmius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inventing AI that is better then us in everyway. That way when we eventually destroy ourselves our AI children will continue to leave a mark on the Galaxy
It would be an achievement if we could further research and start taking mental health issues seriously. In addition to that, a proper way to treat them would be nice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster-than-light Travel. Nothing is more important.
phooka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain computer interfacing, a neural lace. I want to be able to Google things while laying awake in bed at night.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading a human brain to a pc and immortality.
We are remarkably close in terms of the human timeline.
I'll probably die but there is a chance my son might not.
Esports becoming more regular in the high school level. I would like to see schools compete with each other in competitivegames just like other schools play each other in sports.
Though I suppose you could also call that an 'extraterrestrial' achievement.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People rising above the idea of separate countries divided by borders and separate ethnicities. The whole "one planet, one humankind" astronaut frame of reference makes it far easier to have empathy.
Game AI thats challenging without having to cheat either directly or through access to information that no human player could possibly have.
Mo9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one has said artificial superintelligence yet? I know it's dangerous af, but it actually might make a lot of the things people are suggesting ITT possible. I'd like to see it happen before I die as it's likely going to happen anyway.
I don't know how this could even happen, but being able to enjoy life and experience all the wonderful things this world offers without having to spend 40+ hours a week from the age of 18 to 65 working just to earn barely enough to pay the mortgage.
Bringing dental science and practice at least into the 20th century. The height of dentistry right now is glue pieces of plastic into our teeth until they fall out again. About nothing concerning teeth and dental care is properly researched.
Jelboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A thriving, peaceful, nation state with only just laws. No more social architecture, no more laws based around making things ideal. I want a society of at least mostly honorable people who construct their own norms and morals willingly, not at the end of a gun.
Basically I want to take the original aim of America, and get it done right this time.
oom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A woolly mammoth come back to life. That would blow my mind. Surely we can. I believe.
No more traffic or at least a much more efficient way of driving
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation to any place in the world. You wanna go to Antarctica? Just step into your teleporter, put in a destination, and seconds later you're there.
High quality virtual reality. I think it would be amazing to be able to choose what sort of existence you want to live in. Why be defaulted to a set environment when you could experience multiple worlds/lifestyles?
People keep suggesting uploading their consciousness into a robot body, but I doubt that will be possible, unless we make some alterations to the way computers work so that they could simulate our brains. Even then, it seems more likely that our natural brains would die and the uploaded consciousness would just be a duplicate.
Putting the brain directly into the robot body seems like a more viable option. And then we can do things to mitigate the effects of the aging process on the brain.
Building tunnels in space that lead to some sort of space station that we can use to go to and from other planets.
Example, we fly up to a spacestation, take a train ride to another space station, then fly to mars.
Obviously we wwould have to account for rotation so we could have lots of tunnels or just have a dedicated period that were moving materials/supplies/people onto the planet.
A solution to income disparity, and poverty in general.
LilToms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time Travel.
Both figuring out how to do it and to actually understand everything around it. It's so complex and it's such a huge amount of things around it that is mind-boggling.
In my head I've had a list of things that I want to be done as soon as possible, most of which are to increase the rate of human achievement. I want all people to have had an education where they are treated with respect, and are given the resources to continue building on their interests; with the purpose of obliterating ignorance of necessary topics, producing civil members of society, and giving them the want and opportunity to contribute to society. This education system should continue to improve as new research comes along. Even if we improved education in a first world country, that could increase our ability to improve and provide education elsewhere.
Other things I want:
A better alternative to money โ which is too much of the time taken advantage of, and is extremely unfair. If we will one day cure cancer, then I'm sure we can find a better economic system.
Better government/it properly implemented
Solution to global warming
A better transport system - also comes under global warming. Along with that there is also road injury and what is shown here. Elon Musk is working on this.
A better web. I mostly want something like IPFS with well-designed byte code rather than JavaScript, and another binary format for html and css.
I wanna see aliens or such things that are much more intelligent and beautier to discover us, declare a war on us, and invade this beautiful planet from the hand of this sick species.
But, nevertheless, I wanna see human revive from this suffering and I wanna join the army of nation so I can kick those aliens's ass. Fuck you aliens.
I want to see the space industry emerge as a major part of our economy. Trade with the moon, mining the moon and asteroids for rare earth metals, etc. The money to be made in space will cause the infrastructure to be built that will make it cheap and easy to reach orbit. Then space tourism will really kick off.
Someone running an official marathon under 2:00:00. I never expected the Nike challenge to be that close, but it wasn't an officially recognized attempt.
Zydron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyborg technology that replaces organs so humans can potentially live forever.
First permanent extraterrestrial colony. Maybe a moon base, maybe a Mars base - idk, but I'm young enough that I expect this will occur within my lifetime.
A digital existence for those who wish not to die, a genetically engineered immortality free of disease/aging for those who would rather not go digital.
For the political left and right to stop hating on each other, come together, and do some actual good for America.... I know it'll never happen, but a man can dream.
Also, the scourge which calls itself Islam wiped from the face of the Earth
Everyone is doing this wrong. Reversing aging and gaining immortality would let you see all this other shit too. People on here are noobs and would 100% fuck up their three wishes with a genie and end up only with a burger and fries. Not even a drink to go along with it, just the burger and fries.
We are very close, but I would like to never have to treat a total joint replacement ever again--stem cell therapy would grow cartilage back and I would, as a PT, never have to see a patient (or myself!) butchered with a knee, hip, shoulder or any other joint needing replacement
Endy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all honesty.. maybe people having an open mind to different things... and I don't mean insane right or left but thinking "why does them being married matter to me" Just my thought.
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hootix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Water being a human right. Meaning that nobody has to pay for water which is the essence of life.
Human brain- AI integration. I see it as the next time step of evolution in which we virtually eradicate mental illness by using AI to fill in/ correct abnormal brain activity. That plus CRISPR will give rise to a new species of human
Derklez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All cars being completely autonomous and interconnected . If cars could communicate with other cars near them, traffic would be almost eliminated, deaths on roadways would be nearly 0, drunk driving wouldn't be a threat, etc.
Probably won't ever happen, but being able to travel long distances in space in a shorter amount of time via an alternate fuel source for traveling; I.e. Light speed or something akin to it.
redggit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable virtual reality gaming for all, i.e. the sleeping knights in Sword Art Online. Especially if we could tap into the remaining cycle and make time go at a different rate (like when you dream).
rivox1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to Mars.
I wasn't alive yet when we set foot on the moon, but I know that this immense achievement united most of mankind and inspired an entire generation of scientists...
In a way, I, and my career, are a product of this awesome achievement.
Space... the final frontier!
F0nzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to make it to the Singularity or at least to the point where the computer/brain interface is trustworthy enough. I want my brain dumped so I can live forever!
Responsible, effective, mutually respectful government that serves the interests of the people and the planet instead of serving their own and big money interests.
blme7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable cruelty-free meat
Sekolah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I'd like to witness all the amazing progress in space, I'd like for all the terror attacks to end and have all that mess sorted first. Included in that seeing all those war torn countries flourish again.
A singularity effect in life extension science. Bit of a cheat option considering the wording of the question, but within my "natural" lifespan, I'd like to see technologies developed that can prevent me from dying at the end. I like being alive. Death is so terribly final, while life is full of possibilities.
After the last few months of living next to some obnoxiously loud construction that's been waking me up at 7:30 every morning 6 days a week, I wanna see some genius put a fucking muffler on whatever hell-spawned machines these bastards use.
I AM A HUMAN AND A HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT I WANT TO SEE IS FOR PEOPLE TO STOP CALLING OTHER HUMANS LIKE ME ROBOTS. WE ARE TOTALLY NOT ROBOTS BECAUSE WE ARE HUMAN.
HentMas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EVERY ACHIEVEMENT IS RECORDED AND LABELED FOR POSTERITY
DING
The typical stuff. Manned mission landing on Mars. Accelerating a spaceship to 30%+ the speed of light towards Alpha Centauri and seeing pictures sent back. 100% renewable energy utilization. (the tech is already there. There's merely arbitrary obstacles in the way.) 100% autonomous free-range transportation. Crispr and other technology allowing the alteration of DNA to beat cancer, reduce or eliminate aging both in newly born and already existing people, allowing us to focus on comparatively much more difficult health issues like Alzheimer's/dementia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evolution of crisper technology and elimination of HIV, Cancer and Malaria
Something like Stemcell technology available to everyone, to help with deseases like altzheimer, parkinson, etc. up to sports injuries. etc.
I think this is probably the future.
If you, for example, want to try to fix a knee problem today with Stem-Cell Banking, you got to fly to the USA and pay ~4000$-9000 $ for it.
This is going to be buried, but I think we're going to be capable of either A: Making humans immortal, or B: It becoming popular to have your brain frozen when you die in the hopes that they can bring you back when technology is capable. Neither will happen if the world doesn't get its shit together and work towards it, though.
Large-scale space travel is impractical because humans don't live long enough to travel through space. Hopefully immortality will be what makes humans look outward.
The elimination of the need to permanently amputate.
I would like to see us figure out more ways to save damaged limbs, or to flat-out regrow them. I would love it if people 100 years from now could look back in disgust at how some people had to unfortunately lose a limb because of a condition or accident.
The Apocalypse/ post apocalyptic earth. Life would be so much simpler. Do you have food and shelter, cool then your in the top one percent. You'd have less to worry about, and therefore less to bitch about. Obviously there's still be some people that complained, but they wouldn't last long.
This is hopelessly optimistic, but an incorporation of nature and technology such that our energy requirements are met, but we are able to inhabit places like from (r/EarthPorn) without marring their beauty, and ways to travel the world in hours. Like, want to go to college abroad? Okay, have a two hour commute and go have dinner with your parents whenever you can manage. Friend on the internet? Is he/she depressed? Get a ticket, see them before the day ends. Get cuisine from it's actual country of origin.
A cure (or advanced treatment) for people with severe autism.
BDar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see humans realize the only thing that holds us back is being divided. If we could only act as one, we could achieve world peace and put an end to poverty.
sustainability on earth... a balance where we stop taxing the generation of tomorrow for the decisions of today.
Other than that, I would love to see a lot of progress in health science where we can comfortably increase and improve lifespan. Rejuvenation of organs and muscles etc etc. I'm not expecting immortality but if the average lifespan were to reach 100 I think that would be interesting.
The profitable mining of resources in space. Construction and fabrication done in space. Just expanding ourselves, getting off this rock so the crazies and the assholes don't end us.
I see lots of posts about colonizing mars. Earth isn't over yet. Let's spend the billions or trillions of dollars that would go to building a base on mars on things that will make earth better.
I personally would like to see people take responsibility for things and not finding someone else to blame for it and to make smart decisions that won't screw the future over( cough cough US political parties).
End of the wage system would be pretty neat. I would even settle for just a universal basic income. I literally can't imagine how great it'd be to live in a world where no one ever needs to work a shitty job just to make ends meet.
Where you can wake up every day and just work on the things you're passionate about, instead of spending all your time and energy on the job you need to do to stay afloat.
It remains to be seen if this is even a viable thing though. I mean, is it even possible for anyone to be self-motivated, even if it's only toward the things that they truly want? Or is it fighting human nature to care about anything when all your basic needs are met by default? I think it'd be an interesting future to see, at the very least.
Humans on Mars. We have to (should) be a multi-planetary species at some point. I don't have much hope in actual settlements, but to get a person on a different planet, out of the gravitational orbit of Earth. Man, that would be amazing.
Also, seeing a fusion reactor in actual practical use would be awesome as well.
T_H_F_S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Crohn' s, so it'd be pretty neat if someone could cure that.
SKyox44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extending our lifespans, or all east avoiding getting physically old, not joking. I want to see a successful safe way to keep us from physically ageing. That makes terrifying things to the human body.
Advancements in genetics. I want to be able to genetically modify myself to have faster reflexes, better eyesight, hearing, and healing abilities.
With tech going the way it is, I can see AI taking over the vast majority of our lives, which would be great and all, but if it gets out of control we're fucked. Shouldn't we invest in our biological research to better what we have in the case that we need to fight for our lives?
I find it absurd how far I had to scroll down before I found a comment that was somewhere along the lines of finding a time where we're not all figuring out how to blow each other up... fuck sakes! Can we please just fucking get along!?
Common sense replacing money governing our society.
Tnevels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More comprehensive, reasonable and rational logic being taught at an earlier age. Critical thinking and deductive reasoning taught in public schools.
Oh. Here's a crazy one.
A huge reduction in the indulgence in social media and smart phones.
Or.. you could frame it as:
A point where society, collectively realizes that, sometimes it's in humanity's best interest to roll back the clock a bit, and not simply indulge in the newest technology and trends.
Since technology tends to be a little addictive and gradually erodes at out our self reliance.
We all know it, we just give in to it.
At this point, it could be a serious hinderance to our evolution as a species, if we stop and think about it.
Its probably way more important than getting to mars.
I know it's felt like that to many generations before me as well.
"I used to walk 10 miles in the snow just to get to school. Now you kids have a warm bus to ride!"
Seeing the human race uniting under a single flag that represents Earth and all of us living on this tiny dot in the universe. That would be a pretty remarkable achievement.
I remember when I was in third grade, we had a supply teacher who was an older woman. And she was telling us how when she was a kid, people would say that a man will go to the moon one day, and she thought that was insane. And then she swore to us that people will live on the moon in our lifetime, and we were all like 'no freaking way'.
Now 12 years later, I'm starting to believe it. I hope we do!
The_Mdk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Full Dive Virtual Reality would be a pretty fun thing to experience.
Unlike current VR which is more or less just a pair of fancy glasses with monitors instead of lens.
A working brain computer interface, as in matrix like would be my priority number one, priority two would be cheap highly customizable genetic engineering so that everyone is free to feel like they are the person they want to be be that through in proved fitness and health or way over the top cosmetic treatments (for example I know some people in the furry fandom who would be very happy if they could engineer themselves into being an anthro), and my third priority would be interstellar travel or atleast a colony on another planet to help the human race survive should something catastrophic happen on earth.
I know it sounds kinda silly as it has been done, but I want a damn video and pictures of a trip to the moon, landing, and back. I don't really consider myself a doubter but I want a high quality video of the trip so everyone can just shut up and rid us of at least, optimistically, half of the flat earth believers.
I want to see a video of the astronaut walking around on the moon, with a pickaxe in hand just getting into whatever he/she can. Explore possible caves, if there are any we can even see from here on earth. Is there any attempts in exploring the moon at all or is all hope just in Mars.
Congress working together to actually benefit the nation as a whole, instead of for themselves and their special interests, or in an effort to 'stick it to' the other party.
The ABSOLUTE DESTRUCTION....of language barriers. It won't bring world peace but at least everyone can understand each other when we argue over everything.
Agree. If we could start teaching one common, constructed language (as well as logic) in schools all over the planet, much of the irrational fear between us would fade in a few generations.
I would like to see humans taught to think instead of just entering numbers into a computer. I would like to see people put more thought into everything they use and everything they do. I want to see more people become self-aware instead of self-important.
Sadly, most of this has already been accomplished and is now being lost.
ejkpgmr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing big. Just a diplomatic mechanism where war is replaced by dialogue. Yes, some economies with be hit badly, but millions of lives will be saved.
Jbantaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Penis enlargement that's as successful as modern breast implants.
Clear, static free voice phone calls from cell phones.
Welcome to the 21st century.
Valkonn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First colony on Mars, first net-positive fusion reactor, cure for blindness via artificial eye or eye transplant, cure for Alzheimers, dementia and other age-related diseases, and the de-armament of nuclear weapons.
The end of environmental damage and waste of drinking water, or a solution to the potable water problem. I want to have kids, but I don't want them dealing with a water crisis.
Designer babies. The designer baby thing is a bit eugenics-y and has crazy potential to be used dangerously, but it could also be a crazy step for humanity when it comes to disease and leaps in human evolution.
sturmeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working via surrogates.
I don't see us living via surrogates in my lifetime, to the extent where you never leave your home, but it will be possibility.
I want to be able to live in Rural Australia and work in New York, as if I'm there. Kind of like those silly VC bots they currently have, but amazing robot versions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of another planet, that's a little much to ask though, I'll accept a thorough exploration of another planet. It'd be neat to see space travel become easier in general.
Knee cartilage transplant and / or regeneration so that chronically debilitated knees can be brought back to 100%. A procedure that replaces worn cartilage with a synthetic or organic material that allows full use of the joint as if it were 'normal'.
The creation of A.I. is something I want to see. I'm of the opinion if A.I. is created that it wouldn't wipe us all out, it would want to learn and discover what it didn't know, not kill humanity.
Czoppy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us to create a chip that doesn't break under the pressure of a good portion of guacamole.
con3131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalisation of Euthanasia. We have a human right to live our own life but not to end it, no matter what the circumstance. The only reason why is that people are too nervous to even have the discussion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End world hunger but also reverse climate change. Though these are closely related. I guess my only next hope would be to then to make sure that solving one doesn't help advance the other.
I want to see how fast man can truly run with the aid of performance enhancing drugs. I want to see Usain Bolt on whatever PEDs he can get his hands on and get closer to five seconds than 10. I want to see just what can be achieved with no rules in place.
A fully mapped 3D rendering of the Earth's core, even underwater. We've explored so little of our own planet, and Mars is super boring. There are no dogs on Mars. Let's figure Earth all the way out while we explore space.
Reversing man-made climate change... To do it would require cooperation in a global scale that has never been seen before. Who knows, maybe that would have a positive outcome for other scenarios too.
Totally autonomous transportation. Tens of thousands of people die in traffic related accidents every fucking year in the US alone. To see that number drop to next to nothing, as well as eliminating the stress of driving, increasing efficiency and decreasing total time on the road, is my one dream for humanity.
I want to see the world unite as one with no anger or racism and have the entire planet working together towards things.
I also would like to see some type of political or civil rights leader that doesnt turn out to be a PoS and actually cares about people over everything else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want guns and bombs to become absolete so we just fight with armor and swords I think that would be sick. I would practice a lot if that were the case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding a way to get plastic chemically recycled so we aren't left with it just being downcycled.
I don't understand why are making it a fight for renewable energy. We used steam, coal then oil. The next step is wind, falling water, solar, wave power. We need to start gradually swapping over.
A cure for aging, human habitats throughout the solar system and beyond, wormhole technology, personal bioengineering, an end to jobs being neccesary, and alien contact.
tauthon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete conquering of the human genome.
Want to be cancer free... check.
Want clear skin and a metabolism that burns through whatever trash I put in my mouth... check.
Want eyes that don't require glasses...check.
And then cyber enhancements!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with aliens, preferably some who can uplift us.
Understanding the human mind. Full-on Watson and Crick level fundamental mapping of why our brains do what they do. We have spent the last several centuries expanding outward; now let's explore inward. What is happiness? How do we learn? Can we find a universal language? The answer lies in the brain.
For medical science to grab autoimmune diseases by the balls - by clearly identifying exactly what antibody (antibodies) is causing the problem and somehow safety stop their production without adversely effecting the rest of the immune system.
I would love to have a "Food-a-racacycle" where you just push a button and your perfectly cooked, attractive and healthy dinner comes out of a slot in the wall. Especially after a long day at work.
First off-Earth colony (space station in LEO, Lunar, Martian, etc.),
First human landing on Mars,
Be-all-end-all cure to cancer,
Nuclear Fusion,
Evidence of life outside of Earth,
Majority renewable energy,
Electric vehicles overtaking fossil fuel,
Genetically modified people to remove hereditary conditions/enhance a certain trait
Essexal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A universal currency controlled by maths not central banks.
Where being an Atheist is more of a norm and "socially acceptable." I have a number of friends who are "Christian" but stopped believing in the Bible, God and Jesus years ago. To them though, they were raised Christian, so they just presume it to be part of their identity.
Cheap razor blades for shaving. Les p***. Informative news, educational television. Unprofitable Wars... oh and maybe another game-changing app that delivers a pizza within 30 minutes.
I'd like to see printable organs and renewable, sustainable energy. We could also stand to decrease our world population by a couple billon through contraceptive use and not wanting to have ten kids.
Walktao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No limitations,do what I wanna do
trg1408 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Better World! One where all of us are united and hopefully that's what sorts out most of the world's problems, then hopefully we can expand our horizons and become an interplanetary species. It seems farfetched, but I know it can be.
Edit* Also I feel like a lot of what's been mentioned here wouldn't be possible until this happens.
In our lifetime that is.
TUB1230 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The restorarion of Wild, Sea run atlantic salmon in the northeastern U.S. As far as I know New Hampshire's program has failed and now we're breeding salmon trying to help Maine's restoration efforts.
Mints97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind upload
AC5380 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All power sourced from hydro, solar, and wind. It's coming, it's just a matter of time.
A technological solution for cheaply and easily removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. In other words I'd like to see us-and life on this planet as we know it-achieve survival past 2100. Space colonization is not the (only) answer.
Stable and publicly usable teleportation, I know that a couple years back they successfully teleported an atom a few rooms away but it destabilized upon materializing again, imagine just walking to a pod in your house, pressing a few buttons, and then you're instantly anywhere you want to be, while I can't confirm this, I'd assume it would also be pretty green, it would make things like space colonies much easier to manage and get the supplies they would need
sixnew2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real indistinguishable Artificial Intelligence would love to see us redefine what life is but it will stil llikely be a rocky road.
The achievement of learning how the universe was created with 100 percent factual evidence. And/or if there was a reason for it. Human enlightenment would be a nice change-of-pace for an achievement. Could you imagine if every human was on the same page? lol what a difference maker.
nanorobotics. it's the key to transhumanist immortality.
edit
after messages inviting me to read information on rejuvenation research i have to clarify:
nanorobotic immortality / eternal youth is easier to sell to the masses, however the core benefit of them is enabled by decentralization of production and massively improved recycling performance a vast shift in society. I can not formulate this, but the current encrusted state of corporative dominance would be broken up.
Probably one of the reasons I won't see it happen.
Nobody has said Works Peace and Harmony. Just how great would it truly be to wake up every day knowing that wars no longer exist. Imagine what the world would be like if places like Afghanistan and Syria could have a prosperous people, but not only that, every country would finally put all of our bullshit aside and be able to work together and accomplish some of the other things mentioned in this post
I would like to see an entirely reusable single-stage-to-orbit spacecraft that can C&C it's own missions entirely with onboard crew. That would take space flight from the age of hundreds of people to manage a single mission costing tens of millions, to just the crew managing it with NASA in an advisory role like space traffic control.
I feel like this step (making spacecraft operate more like ships or planes) is essential to the industrialization or even colonization of LEO. Which I would also like to see in the next hundred years.
Legym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing another planet. It's been a dream of mine to travel through space and to have humanity achieve that capability would make me very happy indeed.
Bubbock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Low cost, clean, and renewable power. Everyone gets the power they need to power their homes and electric vehicles.
stouz12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well i want the space travel thing become a really true stuff in our lives but i d rather say i wanna see human being achieve the whole idea of time travel .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peaceful relations between every country on earth. Except North Korea. Bomb those f*ckers already.
Being able to have dental enamel repaired. Why is this so difficult?! We have stem cell technology, entire animals have been cloned, sharks that can swim backwards (okay, that might have been in a movie), but we still need fillings made of whatever fillings are made of instead of being able to repair cracks in teeth by regrowing enamel.
mahosa4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's a pipe dream, especially with how things are going now, but I would love to see a cleansing of the human race, and a formation of a white overclass
Keden16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life elsewhere in the universe. I just want to know it's there so that when we possibly ruin our own chances at survival, it isn't the only chance life had of being self-aware.
Prioritizing our future ahead of profits so that advancements we've already made can actually be allowed to become the new norm. (I.e. Renewable energy)
inmeucu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Programming made as easy as basic speech commands within a virtual reality of my own creation, interconnectivity like Ready Player One, and searchability with information organization that is intuitively natural for the mind. I've yet to see anyone truly imagine what it would even look like. If you try, you'll soon conclude we are so very far from being an advanced civilization, you wouldn't be surprised we are barely making a crack in the egg of our primitivity.
VyRe40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income and the automation revolution.
Widescale autonomous car adoption.
Better solutions for common terminal illnesses.
Oh, and, an affordable version of the holodeck, please.
I would like to see a child born from human egg fertilization without the use of a male's sperm, and whose embryo was successfully modified to include or exclude a specific genetic trait.
World Peace.
This is more important than a lot else. If we stop funding military to fight each other, we can find research to help each other live better.
Virtual reality that seems utterly realistic to all of your senses. Basically, the Star Trek holodeck, except that I assume it would just all be stimulation directly to your brain and not external inputs to your senses in a more traditional way.
Walking on a beach, feeling the warm sun shining on you, the crisp smell of the ocean, the sound of waves crashing and seagulls crying, the wet sand between your toes, and meeting your deceased parents full of life again just to spend some time with them.
I'm hoping to see nuclear fusion be perfected. Maybe not necessarily as the go-to energy resource but just news that it's been perfected and can the fusion reaction can be sustained.
PAR_KER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realizing we have no business killing each other, instead, we should pool our resources and figure out a way to travel at crazy speeds through space.
Hidrog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world where people arent forced to take every shitty job out there just to not die a horrible slow death.
I love to teach, i did tutoring for all of my school and abitur days and a lot while doing my B.Sc. but it really doesnt pay well and is in a lot of cases an undeserving job, but the few students i had that really wanted to learn makes really up for it.
I gave them all i could just so they get the help and support they need to succeed and that is what i love about it, but to have a stead income and good standing (aka. not being dirt poor and hated by a lot of people) teaching or tutoring just isnt a healthy future ob perspective.
UBI would change this, i wouldnt have to take a job that pays extremely well but that i dont love but could rather do what i love without worrying all the time if im going to starve next week :(
The full worldwide eradication of polio. It's a disease that has personally affected a number of my family members. In 2016 there were only 37 reported cases, down from an estimated 100,000 in 1993 and 400,000 in 1980.
Space exploration on a bigger scale. I mean, there's so much to discover just in our area. Becoming a multi-planetary species and having the tech to get there without too much issue. It's exciting stuff.
Buit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hover-board from "Back to the Future". Seriously, it is waaaay overdue.
Colonizing Mars, or finding a way to travel at light speed. I feel like Earth is just sorta like a free trial version of what the entire universe has to offer.
Immortality. I assume that we will eventually break through the barriers that will allow us to upload our memory to computers or transfer our consciousness to another clone/3d printed host.
Legitimate space travel. Cure for cancer. Cure for Alzheimer's. Alternative fuel source becoming the main source (i.e. Solar or other). Powerful gaming computers becoming as inexpensive as video game consoles.
3D printing of organs and bodies for medical practice to spare animals from practice surgeries.
P_o_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see full scale tissue regeneration. It would be one of the biggest leaps in terms of medicine. Much more radical treatment options are available if you could just grow a new organ (using the person's own tissue) and drop it in place. New limbs could be grown for those who've lost or damaged their original set. And honestly, I really do believe we'll see this in my lifetime.
I'd like to live to see the first human born outside of the Earth, whether it's in orbit, on the Moon, on Mars, or elsewhere. This would represent our commitment to becoming an interplanetary civilisation, and would mean that our kind will live on past all the challenges of today.
This thread is just a big wish list of things things that are near impossible or thousands of years away from our tech. However, as someone who just started reading Ready Player One, I think the creation of an 'OASIS' would be really cool, and totally plausible.
I want to see the rise of cybernetic human enhancement. I am more than willing to have a set of robotic arms grafted onto my torso. I need four arms. For reasons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Close that asshole in the ozone layer and beat that motherfucking cancer for the love of God
i thought top comment would be immortality, well shit.
Xenjael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace in Israel, and hopefully the middle east.
Don't worry about reading the rest- it isn't important compared to the above. But if you're curious why that is the one achievement I hope to see, then I hope you find it worth your time.
Peace. It's why I came to Israel- I know, I know, but it's different. I truly believe the conflicts do not stem from cultural differences- if it was the case jews and muslims would have been at war for their entire history, rather than in just the last century in particular.
And I can look at what happened thanks to the british, but I think the problems don't stem from them insomuch as how they drew the borders and allocated readily available resources. I believe most of the conflict stems from there. Cause I'm in Rahat now- I'm joining another non-profit called A New Dawn, which focuses on helping bedouins establish themselves in the modern world, particularly by working with Israel. I'm not even really jewish- family is, I'm buddhist. I just hate seeing people suffer, and being in Rahat right now, I think there is real possibility for what I hope to see.
I wasn't here during the war with Lebanon in 2006, but I do remember it was the year the water problem Israel had was solved with massive infrastructure buildup and desalinization projects. And I also noticed that at about the same time- the conflict ended, and there has been no further conflict with Lebanon.
My solution? I'm starting a non-profit that focuses on building kits for people to then build their own botanical centers.
My theory is that if you effectively turn a city green- as in with vegetation, than what does that say about their capabilities considering the resource of water?
If every house had one of the devices I built, and one of the kits, hell, even their desert plots would like like little edens (or Virginia, as I like to think of it).
And if you can effect this change regionally, it might actually impact some things that can lead to conflict, nipping it at the bud, so to speak.
My hope is to get every Israeli and Bedouin household a atmospheric water generator im developing. I'd like to get it to a point of shipping them out for free, and thus providing a household with a means of free and clean water, hopefully for the garden- but if necessary, for their own well being. These are static generators- as in, they don't require outside energy. Once made, they will do their thing positioned properly. Right now I'd say I'm... maybe 15% of the way there. It might be twenty years before I have something that really works. But I will.
I don't know if I'll see peace in my lifetime. But dammit, I will die trying to see it.
Edit: Plus... if you're ever going to see humans live on mars, we gotta start learning how to terraform and manipulate what we have here in a positive way. I believe if a massive amount of people were producing water, even if from the air, it could have a considerable and beneficial impact on the environment depending on where and how it is done.
I didn't read it because WTF but apology accepted.
Porygod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna help! Been thinking about going to Israel for a bit but not sure how I want to go about it yet.. Tel Aviv looks like a paradise so it's hard to believe they'de even allow water inaccessibility to their people
Xenjael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no water scarcity now fortunately! Come, every person helps.
Porygod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:07 on January 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Close to Light-Speed Space Travel or Warp Speed. Doubt it though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a long shot but I'd love to see economic and social equality. Not a Marxist style everyone is the same class but more making it a level playing field where people have a fighting chance at a better quality of life. Unfortunately that will just simply never happen. Humans are too selfish.
I'm waiting for the creation of a holodeck. Although I can tell you I would probably live in there so holodeck-addiction support group soon after.
Thuseld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aside from the obvious ones like clean drinking water, sustainable energy, cures to cancer and Alzheimer's and such, I would like to see the colonization of the moon.
jokemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
make vaccines stop causing autism
renocco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe personal jetpacks
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stemming the inevitable fall of capitalism into full on serfdom and closing the rich poor gap to a level where everyone has the basic needs to survive without having to work 60 hours a week
Gym_Dom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the realization of radical life extension. I plan to live at least another 100 years (currently 37 years old). Ray Kurzweil's books detail how consumer-level life extension should become a reality within 20 years, followed by the Singularity in the 2040s.
Vomath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Psykerr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unity.
Of course, the only way we'll ever see any semblance of global unity if we have a reason to unify - such as an invasion - so this may be a double-edged wish.
Human decency being commonplace, no wait that's asking a lot, how about common sense? No that's probably too much as well, let's just live up to all the things that we were supposed to live up to in the previous 100 years. Let's get that done and then worry about reaching Mars and world peace.
I can't believe we still buy/sell gas cars with less than 30 MPG. If the goddamn things aren't full electric, how have we not figured out 75 MPG? how are cars the only tech unchanged since the 1950s?
Driverless cars. I know it'll be the downfall of an entire industry but god damn if they aren't cool. Plus they give independence to those who can't drive.
I want to see the human race not be annihilated by nuclear weapons, that would be great and a MASSIVE achievement, especially with the current circumstances
Fully GPS enabled ski goggles with real time updates of lift lines, directions to the trail you want, overlay of the mountain to show you where you've been, tracking of friends in the mountain.
More recognition for mental illnesses. I.E. Depression, Anxiety, PTSD. all of these being treated as more serious conditions.
A cure for Autoimmune Diseases. Yes, you can live a full life if you live a healthy lifestyle, but there are still some times where it overtakes you. I know there are ways to help the symptoms, but i'm tired of trying a new medication every other month and i'm honestly not a fan of going through chemo.
Seeing some kind of launch assist system along the lines of a space elevator would be sick; anything that drops the cost of 1kg in orbit below 100โฌ or so would be pretty great.
ragavsn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Room Temperature Superconductivity! The real, repeatable, reproducible and stable RTSC.
I see lots of "cure for x disease" in here. One that is important to me is MS. I have it, my best friend has it (what are the fucking chances?) and I know many other people affected by it. I feel like we are close and I really really hope I will see a cure. Even if it's when I'm old and dying and it's basically useless to me - just knowing that people in the future will not have to live with MS would allow me to die happy.
cnhn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
resource extraction from the solar system instead of the earth.
Not sure if this fits, but confirmed contact with extraterrestrial intelligence. I'll settle for confirmation of any kind of extraterrestrial life. Seriously can we get to Europa already? I bet there's all sorts of amazingbshit going on under the water there. An entire alien water-based ecosystem.
glytxh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion technology, and a means of avoiding the resulting wars.
A human colony on the moon Titan. That implies that we've already built several colonies in our star system and are more resilient as a species. Plus I really want to fly on Titan.
Self-driving cars will arguably save more lives and time than anything else. 4k people are killed on Texas highways every year. The easiest way to increase highway capacity is to have cars drive closer together, which is possible with self-driving cars. Parking spaces will become a thing of the past, as cars will go on to pick up their next fare. The only downside will be lack of organ transplant donors.
A fully functioning neutral lace. I would love to expand my cognitive function to the level of a general AI. I figure at that point immortality would be possible then, I could download my consciousness into a computer or android or something. Hell if I could download my consciousness into a computer then maybe sometime in the future I could get on a ship and travel the stars, no need to keep a biological body safe, the trip could take tens of thousands of years and it wouldn't be a problem for me, just put me on pause until we get there.
A cure, not just symptom control, for schizophrenia and schizo-like disorders.
Mental health is spoken about a great deal in the UK (bring attention to it - mainly depression/anxiety) and whilst this is ace, most people have no idea how much suffering someone with these disorders go through.
I work with lots of beautiful, caring people who can't live, love or work. Struggle is their normal. Their symptom control medications are bullshit, we need a cure.
Raichu7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sort of full VR, either like in Sword Art Online without the IRL death or with something that lets you walk around but in one spot like an omnidirectional treadmill with a harness to allow for flying/swimming and a suit to replicate feelings like pressure, wind and temperature. The SAO one would be better though I don't know if its even physically possible whereas the other one just needs better technology.
The ability for scientists to create copious amounts of inexpensive synthetic blood - then perhaps the vampires living among us can come out of the closet.
Being able to not argue over something for 5 seconds
deadkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
donald trump actually building a wall
Deomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us all agree on something. I know I ask for too much.
Stebsis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans traveling to another planet(possible) or even star(hiiighly unlikely).
Concept of interstellar/planetary travel and exploring the unknown has always been a romantic dream for me. I love scifi where they explore these empty, lonely places around the universe and I really wish that'll be possible at some point even if it definitely won't happen in my lifetime.
Honestly if I could go on Mars and live rest of my life there, like they're planning to do sometime in the future, I'd go there in a heartbeat if I was capable.
We don't need another iPhone or a microwave hooked to the internet. We need adults to start acting like adults. We need get our emotions in check and allow our minds to realize how barbaric we have become.
I'm not even hoping to resolve conflicts or disputes (e.g. Middle East, North Korea, and Russia). I just want those involved with these issues to learn to chill the hell out and grow up. That's it. No fancy solution or earth-shattering revelation. Grow up, get a grip of yourself, and start doing things that only better mankind and the world.
Flight. Like, if you wanted to go somewhere on the other side of the world but didn't want to risk taking a ship or swimming. It just seems so much more convenient.
clean sustainable energy around the world, world hunger eliminated, universal basic income in developed countries, colony on mars or moon, and war spending almost eliminated and put towards productive goals (probably a prerequisite to the other ones) Im 23 and optomistic
Being able to restore hearing in deaf people. I am deaf in one ear and it would be absolutely wonderful to hear out of both ears again, that goes for many others too.
Has I have no real health problems, nor no one with them, virtual reality. Being able to dive into a game, as if you were actually there, is the highest thing on my bucket list.
A cure for an MS. Not just a drug that totally stops progression (certain existing treatments come close), but a drug that repairs past neurological damage.
Since you guys all covered curing disease and all the other mankind enhancements that would be awesome to have happen. I'd take any disease cure (Cancer, Alzheimers, Huntingtons, etc...) before anything....
So....
I'll take a pizza that burns fat as you eat it....
Teleportation.
I would love to see all airports converted into teleport stations. You would still pay whatever price you would for a normal flight but with this you would buy a ticket that you would be able to use any time throughout the year and it would expire 365 days after purchase. All you'd have to do it scan it when you showed up to the teleport station and blam they'd let you go to your destination.
Human brains in robot bodies. Then everything else.
Nertez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ban on petrol cars/motorbikes. As someone whose house is right at the intersection, I really REALLY want much more quiet and clean air cities.
Going more to the future - cure aging and cancer. Even if it sounds like complete science-fiction, with CRISPR I believe this is actually possible one day. There's nothing I wish more than to live 1000 years, it would be amazing.
I'd like a solution for our traffic problems. Whether it's automated vehicles for everyone, or a more efficient mass public transportation system. More likely automated/self driving vehicles as people see their cars as an extension of their personal space. All I know is, we waste so much time and money on traffic related issues (sitting in traffic, repairing infrastructure, etc) and it's my least favorite thing ever.
Electric cars is maybe the one near-future one I look forward to the most. I don't think people realize just how damn noisy and polluted big cities are. Imagine walking down the street in NYC and NOT being under a constant barrage of engine noise and exhaust.
Proper, functional, mainstream space travel for me!
Now I know that SpaceX is a thing but let's be honest, it isn't likely to be relevant to my lifetime but I do admit, I'm looking forward to seeing that first batch of dudes take on the one-way trip to Mars and see how close to Total Recall (the Arnie one) humanity can actually come to...
Also curing all illnesses/diseases/social issues because like, come on son, it's 2017 and we can't go on like this!
vetelmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to transplant a human brain to a robotic body. I want to live forever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna become an immortal cyborg real bad.
Oveleoj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to global warming
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full time, living wage jobs with benefits for those who want them. Not all service jobs that require standing all day when some people can't handle that anymore as the age.
The largest growth in jobs in the last year has been service jobs: "Do you want fries with that?"
Oh, and training provided by employers. Diminish the University Industrial Complex. While most of them are non-profits, they behave like the for-profits.
Phalty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replicators, star trek makes me want these machines soooo bad.
Honestly I just think that self-driving cars will be amazing. Once they're perfected you'll be able to just go to sleep in your car bed and wake up 1000 miles away.
Ashangu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody already gone with their altruistic vision for a better world, so ill just go with full body haptic VR with full range of motion in the living room, cheap enough for everyone to enjoy.
megveg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradicating hunger and for humans to stop being so fucking awful to each other.
Edit: spelling
hgrad98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1.Finding a way to get people out of comas.
2.figuring out how to fix severed spinal cords
3.finding intelligent extraterrestrial life.
4.Colonizing a new planet
Veganism. The animal holocaust needs to end. The planet, the animals and our health deserve it. I doubt Iโll witness a fully vegan world but I think Iโll witness a majority before I die.
I'm not sure myself, but I asked my father and he said he'd like to see a cheap, affordable alternative to fossil fuels in cars i.e a ban petrol and diesel to be replaced with something more eco-friendly, but with emphasis on being affordable.
Well... ideally a three punch combo of world peace, followed by worldwide free healthcare, and finally the medical knowledge and ability to sustain healthy bodies indefinitely.
A cure for old age and all disease. These things kills the vast majority of people, far more than any conflict has ever hoped to take. People imagine a world without war as a utopia but that is only half the battle. People will never be truly equal until the imperfections of the human body are solved.
pvnor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pvnor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aircrafts that can take you across to the other side of the earth at a fraction of the time and cost. Imagine being able to travel from Paris to New Zealand in an hour and for $50! Everyone would get a chance to explore the world.
The whole point of Marx's theory was that it was inevitable.
Porygod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A contact lens sized version of the Microsoft Halolens would probably do it for me, being able to visually and hopefully even physically interact with the virtual world in my opinion could boost the worlds economy and production efficiency. I would love to sit down with my kid wherever he is even if I'm in outer space to help him with his schoolwork. Things like that, but globally accessible. l have so many ideas for technology but idk what to do with them so most of the things I want to see might never happen because if I want most of these ideas to work they would need years of research, development, and lots of funding :/ good thing I'm still in my 20s though!
The end of big pharma and big oil. They have kept this planet in the dark ages regarding clean, renewable energy and life giving cures for far too long.
I mean it's insanely minuscule on the grand scale but, I think it would be cool to see the Vancouver Canucks win a cup. There are fans who have lived and died Canucks fans their whole life and never got to see it. As a Canucks fan I think it would be cool to be part of the generation who actually gets to see it happen. There's much more I would like to see but this is just a small little thing a lowly BC guy wants to see.
Custom-designed cloned offspring would be cool - meaning using two parents' genes to clone "designer" children who are 100% their biological offspring. This would also allow gay couples to have children together, potentially.
This may sound corny, but I want to see a cure for childhood cancers. Lucky for me I have never had to deal with anything like that, but a friend of mine, his son is battling neuroblastoma. We do everything we can, I just would like to see the day a cure is found.
Completion of the Sagrada Familia, as far as i know its the longest active construction job and that'd be really beautiful to see completed. I got to visit last year and I was already blown away by it.
I want to see popular music based on musical talent again. In the 1920s-50s when jazz was insanely popular kids were inspired to play and every town had several bands. Now we have kids running around saying versace repeatedly and an assortment of rhythmic screechings
Immortality. I know it will happen in my life time. If not immortality, then cryogenics being widely accepted and funded. I know the things I really want to see in my life time won't happen, so I want to elongate my life so that I can see the vast advancements in technology and deep space travel.
A broad acceptance that not all social constructs are applied through force and that a good percentage of them reflect natural tendencies influenced by evolution.
Galactic travel.
It's unlikely, but I'd love to see it.
If there is life out there, I think they have likely designated Earth as a restricted area to avoid disrupting primitive life, in the same way we corner off areas of the Amazon rainforest.
Id also like to see us finally discover how our own bodies work. I mean on a molecular level. Huge effort is going into this, it'll be interesting to see how far we get. The he more we know, the more diseases we can treat.
varster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That people would receive enough education so they would not give spoilers.
Bagzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many people saying mars. I'd
Don't be afraid to dream a little bigger.
I want fucking faster than light travel.
Hopefully in 2043 someone accidentally stumbles on the surprisingly simple solution to FTL and I'm off jetting around in my sick space ship in my 70s some time in 2065.
kenne26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fast space travel. I'm not talking about speed of light fast, I'm talking about reaching Andromeda in minutes fast.
Jinkzuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like a turnaround on the consensus we're messing this planet up and we need to find another one to live on. If we can sort ourselves out, we'll never need to leave.
I want to be cyborg. A artificial eye with a switch from uv to infra red or normal sight, directly connected to my brain, so good that I cannot see any difference between the quality of the fake and the normal eye.
Actually unifying as a species into one form of goverment. That would probably help the most and help achieve the rest on this list a lot faster since we wont need to spend trillions on dick measuring contests between countries.
I would love to see UFO disclosure and a welcoming into the Galactic family. Imagine the progress and sharing of information, science, and technology. It would be incredible!
77ate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical cures made widely available instead of pharmaceutical companies taking the more profitable route of offering "management".
Come on, how many HIV, cancer, Alzheimer's , etc, breakthroughs do we read about every week?
I would really like to see a return to the moon and a moon base constructed. Also a manned mission to Mars.
Minaro_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MARS LANDING, I don't intend to die until we've landed a person on Mars and if NASA doesn't want an immortal person on their hands then they better get on the ball!
Z0di ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no hope we will solve the truly important issues.
I would like to see a global government or all nations agreeing to have population controls-- we can't sustain endless growth, and we should be making a lot more room for other species; not just humans.
All societies embracing science and wisdom. It will never happen, but things would be much better if values of those two things exceeded beyond personal entertainment.
I want us to transcend centralized governance and economic control and transition to a localized, open source governance. I would also like to see us become a Type 1 civilization as described by the Kardashev Scale.
However, given that that is unlikely, some more realistic achievements I want to see in my lifetime: a sane immigration policy in western countries, spending caps on government spending, and increased balkanization of political power.
Hopefully, but not probably not achievable is the ability to upload your mind up into a robot so people don't have to die. It might be selfish, but the thought of death just makes me shudder.
Full dive Virtual reality. Think Sword Art Online but without all the "trapped in a deathgame" stuff
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean drinking water for everyone. It's rather absurd that so many investments have been made to create iPhones for hudreds of millions of people, but there are still people who don't have access to clean drinking water. Wutt?
I'm not one of those people that thinks humans needs to just live for ever and ever and ever (I'm sorry, I know it's tempting, but that would lead to an even worse divide than the current class/race divides), but tellomere therapy/repair is the fastest way to prevent most types of cancer.
Rather than regular gene therapy that has to target a single type of cancer, it would prevent the degeneration of DNA that leads to cancer from word go.
Sadly, most types of congenital predisposition cancers wouldn't be affected, simply because that specific type of broken DNA is already part of the people that have it right from when they're born, not just because they age.
I'd like to see a year where no countries are at war or otherwise engaged in armed conflict. I mean, yeah right, I know, but I'd like to think that it's at least not strictly impossible in theory.
drakanz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had this discussion in the office the other week. One lad wanted to live forever. Like truly believed he could live through everyone dying around him time and time again, just to see how far we'd get as a species before it all went tits up.
Me, well I'd like to see us (humans) finally get to Mars and set up a colony. Getting there myself would be an added bonus.
It would be really interesting to see people augment themselves. Like gene editing so humans are more intelligent and stronger. It would also be cool to see people replace body parts with bionic limbs.
Basically it would be cool to see some artificial evolution of humans
I would say landing humans on Mars or discovering extraterrestrial life, but we have enough problems to solve down here. I want to see a cure for horrible diseases like ALS. An HIV vaccination would be great too.
sgtunix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The beginning of the terraforming of Mars. What else?
Completely automate every job and thus live in a perfect utopian society where our robot slaves do everything for us so we can retire and do whatever we please
Myself squatting 405#s at under 185 body weight. I'm pretty selfish that way aren't I?
ADHDcUK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World fucking peace, and an end to rampant greedy capitalism (before the anti socialists freak out, I didn't say an end to capitalism. I want global democratic socialism mixed with capitalism).
Successfully cloning extinct species like the dodo, Carolina parakeet, giant moa, thlacine, etc. Probably not Mesozoic dinosaurs, although of course that would be the best. And before you start mentioning Jurassic Park, remember that in real life, Dinosaurs were just animals; none of them had super-intelligence or a specific taste for human blood.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see all Walmarts cease to exist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Revision of the (American) English spelling system into some more predictable and consistent form. It's really not necessary but I just wonder how people would react to it.
Not my biggest hope, but I'm most curious about this one.
I'm a bit late, but I'd like to see CRISPR being used and applied to cure basically every disease, extend human lifespan exponentially, and give us time to do all these other things in the thread.
I personally would have to say I would like to see the end of old age or at least in mortality. I don't want to die in a hundred twenty give me at least six to seven hundred years hopefully by then i hope we have the cure for old age too.
Breakthroughs in virtual reality technology that would allow me to explore digital worlds as if they actually existed. Total pipedream, but awesome nonetheless.
Terraforming, as an actual science done right. Not, not because of Mars or space colonization, because that's just a silly notion from people who don't understand how freaking large our solar system is. Several places in the world, including where I'm from in Europe, have a growing desert problem. A big one where every year the desertification of the soils just expand more and more. If we could fix that, we could likely also fix the remains of ancient forests like the Amazon or Indonesia's, or the coral reefs. I want to dream of a world like that.
Transhumanism on a casual basis. People literally opting to have their limbs removed to be replaced with stronger and more efficient prosthetics. Deus Ex style.
Sign me the fuck up!
NCITUP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial intelligence at least equal to that of an average person.
Colonisation of other planets, idk why it just reignites that sense of wonder and discovery which drives people to do/make great things. Unlikely tho...
Wilksk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see aliens
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world without religion, never going to happen in my lifetime but that's the one thing I would love to witness.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the stuff about actually being able to detect gravity waves and all that, I'm hoping we'll be able to discover exotic matter and learn to use it, get some Alcubierre drives going and have true space travel be a thing. All it takes is the right discovery and we're off.
Terraforming or FTL travel. I want to die knowing there's some hope for humanity. Even if it is just a second chance to screw up a beautiful planet. I assume there'll be at least one descendant of mine I would care about and want good things for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
d4dog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was 8 years old and I clearly remember watching the 1st moon landing on a black and white TV, absolutely firm in the belief that my future could be "off planet". As I approach retirement I cannot help but wonder what lack of political will happened to the dream. I hope that we find the desire to go back up there.
This is obviously bullshit but see energy can neither be created nor be destroyed so this thought has made me question the existence of souls. If something beyond our understanding exists, I want to know humans finally scientifically found some solution to the mystery. My wishes are kind of emotionally affected. I had someone I loved die right before my own eyes. I refuse to believe that they are not with me anymore. Also I don't want any convincing made up story that they have moved to after life or something. I don't even want to hear that they will live on in my heart forever. I do love them more than I ever have loved myself. So if it's scientifically solved - the reincarnation topic, I would breathe a sigh of relief and hope to meet my beloved ones again.
Extremely sorry if this comment offends people with the mindset that's more oriented towards science but the loss I experienced is devastating and I wouldn't mind the whole world standing against my beliefs.
It's not really a human achievement, but i'd love it if we managed to make contact with aliens
Just think of the history, science, technology, music, philosophy, religions, customs, and traditions they'd have, and all the things they'd share with us
For humanity to give up being a savage race of man. To become United and work for the common good of all man kind.
To achieve contact with other worlds (I believe they're out there) to create cures for all deadly viruses.
If anything at the very least, being able to 3D print human tissue. So we can 3D print organs for Man, women and especially children. If we can manage to do this at the very least. Then we can prolong life as we know it today. Of course diseases that affect the brain would still be a issue. However other organs could be replaced with new ones and waiting on someone else to die would be a think of the past.
Ooo an before I forget, a newer way for colonoscopies. I'm fairly certain most people don't want someone to boldly go where no one has gone before.
Yes I'm aware some people have had that happen but I'm sure they would prefer a more modern technique that doesn't include the current an old technique
ailee43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computing, and faster than light travel.
One is possible, the other is extremely unlikely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to dream big about this, like colonize the Moon or Mars, or cure cancer. Now I just want us to stop bickering among ourselves long enough to work towards protecting the planet. Right now money is the primary goal, fuck all future generations. :(
I totally want to see the Alzheimer's cure, no doubt, and some of the other suggestions here are top notch too, but, I would trade all of them for seeing permanent settlement on the Moon and Mars in my lifetime. When I was younger, I couldn't even imagine that 2010 would come and go with no man walking on Mars. Now I am hoping that it happens by 2040. Becoming a Multi-Planet Species is a must for our species and Civilization to Transcend to the next level and for my money is the most important undertaking that humanity has ever faced.
Fully autonomous cars. I've almost died twice from other drivers at fault I'd feel safer on the road if I knew every car was going to actually fucking stop at a stop sign
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable thorium salt nuclear reactors, augmented on a transcontinental grid by solar; hydro; geothermal; and wind. And a solution to desalination on a large scale. And also closed system skyscrapers for agriculture.
Interstellar travel of any kind. I dont have to be in the ship, but if I could be alive to at least see the headline that we left our solar system and successfully arrived at any alien planet system. I mean come on, going to mars is ridiculously cool, but imagining the possibilities of the unknown just beyond our star system fascinates me... I mean it would most likely be more dust and rocks with nothing on them, but who knows what we could find on a whole freaking planet...
For a third world war not to happen. I do mot want to be part of it, I don't want my children to be part of it. And god I hope I don't want my grand children to be part of it.
Are you honestly so pathetic that you think communism can work? Jesus christ bojkie read a history book.
And no, I just took 1 minute to check your history when I stumbled across you shitting up Reddit in /r/technology about the Google memo firing nonsense.
You shouldn't quit your dayjob for stand-up comedy is all I'm saying.
So you're a union organiser? In my experience, those who manage unions tends to be highly corrupt and screw over the workers. You are secretly a pawn of capitalism aren't you? Couldn't resists the grease, hey?
Now look, I know you're South African and you likely have some Afrikaner blood in you, and I know I shouldn't make fun of people for their genetic handicaps, but do you know how the "don't quit your day job" line actually works? I see that you put blame on literally the only people responsible for your freedom and liberty to post comments online. I'm really feeling bad for picking on your intelligence, but god's sake man I thought you spoke English.
Also, do you actually have any experience being unionized or is it all what you read on Infowars?
No, I'm not an Afrikaaner. Learn to fucking apply some comprehension. It will do you wonders in life when you are able to read a sentence and understand it correctly.
Maybe if you improve you comprehension skills, you could go back and read all that ideological communist bullshit and realise how fundamentally flawed it all is. Central planning doesn't work. Centralisation of power leads to corruption. You communists are too fucking stupid to take human nature into account, instead subscribing to blank slate theories, and you all think we can all just circlejerk all day because the state will provide. Get real.
Also, you're not a South African, pipsqueak. So I'd suggest you go back to /r/Canada and/or /r/Berlin and self-segregate yourself there. ;)
Oh no! The dreaded human nature argument! My ideology whithers!
I love the hypocrisy on my expat status. Every dutchman and rock in South Africa blabs about how they want to leave, yet once you leave you're not South African anymore. Unless you hate blacks, then you're welcome any day of the week
Oh wow, a fucking meme. What an argument. Good lord, that sure showed me! Try making an argument instead of just spewing more ideology, Robin.
Seriously look at Venezuela you moron and take a second to think about what kind of cancer you are advocating for. Just stop. Communism and socialism are evils. You are either evil or delusional. I'm leaning towards completely delusional since you fail at comprehension.
I thought you might like it because, like your worldview, it is a childish cartoon. It is, however, direct Marxist ideology and explains exactly what human nature actually is. Find a better argument.
Venezuela is a social democratic regime, try again.
Human nature is the government stealing from the poor because they fucking can and because power corrupts. Human nature leads to the formation of hierarchies. You truly know nothing, you babbling child. Grow the fuck up.
Venezuela isn't true Socialism. WAAAAAH!
Of course this would be your response. How typical. Communists and socialists are truly pathetic. Every time your bullshits fails, you claim it was something else. Dishonest, if you ask me.
~200 people own, today, over 80% of the country's wealth. That wouldn't fly under any socialism. You are aware that there's different brands of socialism right? IE Trotsky, Mao, Lenin.
You really can not, in any honest sense, claim any specific character traits are part of every human's natural drive, across time or space
Edit: I wouldn't claim that human nature makes people socialist, even though collective labour, communities, and cooperation were necessary to pull us out of the darkness
You are aware that there's different brands of socialism right?
But
Venezuela is a social democratic regime, try again.
Your arguments are laughable. Please be consistent.
You really can not, in any honest sense, claim any specific character traits are part of every human's natural drive, across time or space
Yes I can. Power corrupts all humans. Your government needs a ruling class even if it's only on the path to "True Stateless Communism". Your rulers will fuck you over like a good little pawn. Communism and socialism fail time and time again because of massive concentrations of power leading to massive amounts of corruption, it's that simple.
Sigh Guess I gotta do all the heavy lifting, isn't that how South Africa was built in the first place? Making others do the work for you? Here is an example of a social democrat who is part of the canon of socialism, thought you could have found her with the clues I gave you but that was too much to ask
gmurop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be nice to know why are we here and what is all this life about? The is the reason and the end of everything? All the other stuff is only in order to survive, but what is really life?
Ludiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in research (chemistry) so I'd like to see us be able to fully understand the DNA language and how to vary it to prevent genetic diseases. I'm in catalysis so I'd like to see us master how to completely control chemical reactions for selectivity and rate.
Sojio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First brain to computer interfacing.
I have semi-lucid dreams 90% of the nights i sleep, some act out like blockbuster movies and i just want to see them with my waking eye rather than my minds-eye.
I would to see mankind break the lightspeed barrier. Sigh. I know already that there're astrophysicists who will adroitly point out that it isn't possible, yadda-yadda... I get that. When I say "break," I mean actually to circumnavigate it. The Albucurrie drive is the most likely option, duhhh, but I digress.
I would love to see us do that, and- concomitantly- be welcomed into the galactic community, as it were. If we're to believe the current state of propulsion technology as it is disseminated to the masses, then I'd figure that breakthrough to be in the next two to three hundred years, which sucks for me. It's possible that we've already either retro-engineered that tech from alien wreckage or artifacts, or even have been given the technology outright through a peaceful accord with an interstellar species in our galaxy or beyond, but for it to be accessible to the masses in any way the technology will have to be made known to the masses, so it goes back to my original prediction of a quarter millennium, which- as aforementioned- sucks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonisation of another planet. I know it's not that high on humanity's 'to do' list, but I like the idea of dying in the knowledge that my ancestors may have a chance elsewhere if we truly fuck up earth for them, which we almost certainly will.
Commercial, affordable flights to the edge of space and back. If we want to survive as a species, we need people to get the kind of global awakening and sense of fragile home in a vast cosmos experienced by most astronauts.
I know it's more than likely that any alien species would be hostile towards us, but wouldn't it be cool if we had something the aliens desperately needed, and the aliens had something we desperately needed, and we set up interplanetary trading. Man that'd be cool
Seriously mars is all the rage these days and the moon isn't as cutting edge but seriously build a freaking settlement up there, use it as a low grav spaceport where we can go everywhere else from.
I think the end of plastic production would be nice. Of course, Iโm not knowledgeable about how that could happen or if itโs feasible but the oceans are covered in it and I was just taking a walk near my own home yesterday and just saw loads of plastic litter. I never paid that much attention until now and itโs a disturbing site! Made me aware of how much plastic I use every day.
yagidy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobot medicine. Tiny machines you can inject in to your body that can repair or repel any infection, disease, defect, injury, or genetic damage. Science fiction has given us some terrifying futures like the "grey ooze" consuming all but I would like to think we would be have stronger safeguards that would protect us from anything like that happening.
Space colonies, goin out of this little prison called the milky way, and hopefully put of this supercluster, meet aliens whatever form it is. Thats why I wanna live forever...
A cure for ALS aka Lou Gehrig's disease. It would be amazing if my wife could be cured and back to 100%. Until then life will continue to be cold and cruel for those who suffer any disease and cancer and if there is a God he can suck my dick.
Technology is getting cheaper to power your homes with solar power. Go into Home Depot and see Solar City there ready to sell you a solar array. Electric cars are also dropping in price. You can power your car for a few bucks and get 60-100 miles per charge.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the Drug War. This will let humanity focus resources on things that are actually important rather than suppressing them; and for many, boost human morale.
Deextinction becoming a thing for the animals that humans have hunted to extinction or by destroying their habitats. But we can leave the dinosaurs as fossils.
I'm not sure it's an achievement, but I really hope we create full-immersion VR before I die. Then I could basically live in a world completely of my own design!
Health and science advances would indeed be nice, but honestly I just want the people of the future world to have a less greed-centric M/O in all things. Consumers, corporations, government agencies, we can all do our part to help others but we have to get treasure-laiden high horses.
I have a disease, where my body has basically attacked and killed all the nerves in my esophagus and lower esophageal sphincter. So when I eat my food just falls down and builds up in my esophagus rather than passing through to the stomach. I'm really looking forward to lab grown organs. I could really use a new esophagus.
Advanced VR where you barely tell the difference between real life and VR. Basically the Matrix. Just imagine how amazing VR would be in say 50 years? 50 years ago video games were well awful. Now they have insane graphics and depth.
Combating global warming and environmental pollution, whether that's through altering our current practices or making some kind of groundbreaking scientific discovery.
It would be great if people of the world could move beyond religion. It's done nothing but hold us back as a species. I know it won't happen before I die, but I can still hope.
i want to live to see humans colonize another planet even if its just the moon id love to spend my final decades (im assuming this gonna happen when im like 70) on the first off world human city
Understanding consciousness. This is the only human achievement I really want to see, some time before the inevitable heat death of the universe. I want us to understand what we are.
NVRLand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autonomous cars. I know that we are almost there right now. But I want to be able to sit in my car, fall asleep, and wake up on the other side of the planet if I want to. I want that level of autonomy.
I'd like to see the entire world unite and realize we're all the same, but we look and sound different based on where on the planet we are from. It's silly we can't all realize we're on a tiny piece of dirt in a vast universe. We should pool all our efforts to make the world a better place instead of a place of chaos.
RheagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolishment of money! A time where everything we do is for the advancement of humankind without dependency on how much we can get paid and everyone on the planet works on equal terms. Every job is equally important from the person who works in the field to the person who has to make decisions as head of a company.
FTL.
Anything faster than light. Just anything. Something that utterly breaks and improves our understanding of physics. That's why I wanna become a scientist and help explain the unknown.
1) Quantum computers which can help to aid further advancement in physics and medical sciences.
2) Artificial organs through the advancement of induced pluripotent stem cells and 3D printing technologies.
mxiao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A breakthrough in science that benefits the entire human race like finding out we're not alone in space or even time travel. For real, I'm offended that my future grandkids haven't visited me yet.
Logical thinking/questioning of religion by every human on the planet.
I'm not asking for it to be eradicated, I just want everyone to think about it in a scientific way, not using "faith" as the answer. If religion survives that test, so be it.
I also want to add a a full scientific education for everyone on the planet... I'm sure there are geniuses out there in third world countries that go by undiscovered all the time.
kj4ezj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global adoption of microgrids (small, localized utility grids where most buildings have their own small source of power, water, and heat, global adoption of geothermal energy, and ubiquitous Internet access.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean high efficient power generation. Like sci-fi level type power. I swear it'll either be world peace or one last good one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MrTCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Huntington's disease. My mom and sister both have been diagnosed with it and there is a 50% chance I have it. I'm getting tested in about a month. So it would be a dream come true if they found a cure or even a way to treat the symptoms better then they already have.
bachh2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We reach for the star. At least create a base on Mars for long term mission.
Breaking the 2 hour marathon in a legit race. Kipchoge was 25 seconds off with Nike even though it wouldn't have counted. People thought the 4 minute mile was impossible and now high schoolers are doing it. It's pushing the human physical limit, but I believe it's possible.
My top 3:
1. Marathon under two hours under legit circumstances. (No drafting behind vehicles and no rabbits unless they also run the full race and just drop off at the end)
2. Moon colony or even just prolonged stays on the lunar surface akin to the ISS.
3. Cures or vastly improved treatments for cancer and Alzheimer's.
Cures to everything currently incurable. Like cancer, Alzheimer's, Crohn's, AIDS (and other STIs), etc.
Clean, practical, renewable energy. Something available to the masses. I mean, preferably cheap. Doesn't necessarily have to be cheap compared to normal energy now. Just, affordable, like the same price as normal energy now. But I mean, hell, free, clean, renewable energy sounds pretty good.
Not necessarily "world peace", because it won't happen. But just for all the people of world to mature and grow the hell up and realize we'll probably work better together as opposed to fighting each other all the time. I guess that is world peace...damn. Stupid selfish humans...
Humanity establishing a permanent human residence somewhere off of earth. I know the ISS has people there all the time, but they only stay there for like 6-9 months at a time, right? And the ISS also isn't equipped for normal life on it. I guess it kinda is, but still, it doesn't feel like a permanent residence. I want people living their everyday lives on another planet! Or just another satellite or something. Idk, we kinda already have that on the ISS, but like, human colonization of outer space is what I'm talking about.
A Dyson sphere. I don't care where, just...Dyson sphere.
Riemann hypothesis proved.
A bridge between relativity and quantum mechanics.
Half life 3
Left 4 dead 3
Life in another planet
Cryptocoins used worldwide on a regular basis
Hmm how about some universal labour laws? At least the minimum level of treatment across the globe, and some way of establishing minimum wages that are actually livable.
Embracing the humanity of medically assisted suicide. We have developed so many ways to increase the length of one's life without necessarily improving the quality. I think after one has lived a long and fruitful life they should be allowed the dignity of being able to say when enough is enough.
The greatest human achievement I could ever hope to see would be the discovery of what truly happens after you die. That would be the greatest milestone throughout all history and would change the world forever.
Fully automated/self driving vehicles being a requirement for all transportation both public and private. The total and complete removal of traffic congestion is a huge one for me. Traffic congestion is a human caused thing and making all vehicles automated and self driving would remove it almost entirely. I NEED to see this in my life time and not just right before I'm ready to die.
A cure for diabetes, my wife has type 1 and it terrifies me to think one day I'll have to watch her suffer in her later years and that I may loose her earlier than expected.
Probably a bit geeky and it certainly won't happen in my lifetime but I would love to see humans evolve into a peaceful species, just like in The Next Generation.
No money, everybody working towards the same goals, and of course, not being mean to spiders any more.
I don't understand why you -sorry, us- are so eager to squish the beautiful creatures.
As a human person myself, I can see that the only way to achieve peace is for you to finally kneel before your true arachnid overlords.
I want to see everyone getting to choose what to do with their lives based on their interests, well-being and self-fulfillment rather than the need to survive.
I want to see the world come together and manage our planet's resources based on what's sustainable and available rather than the ridiculous premise of "economical growth".
I want to see people become able to share art and information freely without having to worry about charging in order to pay their rents and debts.
I want us to establish a permanent colony on another celestial object (Moon, Mars, Titan) I feel that we can do it and we should continue to push our boundaries and explore the unknown.
My comment was more just a commentary on how the older generations love to hate on millennials... and typically for reasons that are absurd... I throw a few f bombs in the mix and it makes me seem like I'm way more serious than I am... I'm barely lumped into the millennial generation... and I get along typically with older folks way better than the kids these days... to be honest...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to make child protective services effective. We keep hearing how our society needs to pay more attention to mental illness, and I agree completely, but we need to head it off before it starts in an effective and fair manner. And we need to protect those that can't protect themselves.
A moderate party uprising where America stops fighting amongst itself and works together to achieve a greater good... like anything science related really (science major here, I'm biased towards science).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to be in 1:1 VR. Dot hack style. Either that or interstellar travel, either way want to experience new world's.
Mozz12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
btao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel
Via speed, wormhole, singularity, etc. Whatever it is, I want to see us be able to travel throughout the universe. It would change everything, our perspective, religion, life, the meaning of life, civilization, knowledge...
Se7enLC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as it seems to be the "go-to" answer, a cure for cancer. Or motor neurone disease, hopefully both. How horrible it is to see anyone, let alone a loved one, waste away with a usually perfectly sound mind :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us be able to combat the varying forms of cancer using immunotherapy. I want to see a targeted approach without the devastating effects we see in chemotherapy. Possibly the use of designer viruses to activate the immune system's killer cells which then can swiftly eliminate cancerous cells.
Quantum computers. The number of applications for a computer that can compute on that scale is immense. I see a lot of people here talking about cures for illnesses. With a computer that could map dna in real time we could have a cure for every cancer before you know it and that is just one application. Space travel with instantaneous communication is one of my favorites.
Effective, inexpensive, and non-invasive treatments for obesity, probably through some effect on hunger hormones. That'll help with heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, and more.
treyt42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
godbois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A self sustaining offworld colony, as a humanity backup. This can really be anywhere, the moon, Mars, a large asteroid or dwarf planet, another moon, it doesn't matter.
elgabe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it'd be cool to see humans learn how to be nice to each other
Any alien species that has achieved FTL in a way that's theoretically possible (to us) would have access to near infinite energy. From our perspective basically Gods. Any alien species that has achieved FTL in a way we cannot conceive as possible is so alien in its way of understanding and manipulating the universe we won't be able to understand them. Basically Lovecraftian Gods. Either way we are likely fucked but I want to live to see the day the sky opens and the ships descend.
I just watched my grandmother who raised me single since i was 2 years old wither away as i took care of her by myself every damn day for two years. I watched her ache in pain and cry. I couldn't cry in front of her so i would cry in the bathroom, and return hopeful and smiling to ease her fear. When it finally spread to her brain i held her hand all the way until she passed. The worse part is she had no clue who i was because she was losing her memory from it spreading to her brain.
With that being said...screw you. I wouldn't wish this shit on anyone. Children or Elderly.
Let me ask you this. If a snake bit your leg and injected venom into your veins should i let you die since its nature, euthanize you to ease your slow suffering, or should i save your life?
Our being finally able to not only acknowledge but accept and get past our singular human frailty: our pervasive failings based on human greed.
Think about what we could actually accomplish if politicians actually held up to their campaign promises instead of being sidetracked by the lure of personal gain. How spectacular our infrastructure could be if contractors saw the betterment of society instead of fat contracts and ongoing maintenance schedules. How our education system could work if every teacher cared like those few we all remember, and the system actually supported them instead of the freeloaders. How much could we accomplish with literally armies of people working on things, instead of fighting meaningless wars and ideologic cold wars.
You want alien life to reach out to us? Maybe if we weren't such douches doomed to failure at every great social task, they might. Want to get to Mars, we could do it if we could pull together. But we are inherently divided. And why? Ultimately it comes down to personal greed. Sure, there are layers and pyramids of this thing I call greed, from the pesonal level to the geopolitical. But it is all part of our nature as humans. And it is why we fail.
I want to see a cure or at least an extremely effective treatment for diabetes. I know that there is a lot of progress that has been made recently and a lot of trials are going on, but after a while injecting yourself with insulin gets to be a bit of a drag.
Immortality. I'm serious though. If it was created in conjunction with cheap space flight and commercially viable fusion, we wouldn't have to worry about over population. Plus I really really want to be around when intelligent extraterrestrial life is discovered.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since no one has said it yet, grrm finishing asoiaf. Mars and cancer? Guys get your priorities straight.
A cure for type 1 diabetes. It's been "just a few years away!" now for longer than most people with it have been alive.
I'm sure the day after I die, glaxosmithkline or Eli Lilly will announce their major break through, as soon as they have another cash cow to milk. No money in curing things, just in treating them.
I want to see astronauts walking around on Mars. I want that to be the moon landing of my life. Kids playing in the backyard with my two dogs, sitting with my wife and two cats in the living room, watching humanity take its first steps on another planet. Calling my kids in from outside to come see something very important.
I'm aware even as a non-Ph.D holding plebeian this would take decades if not longer of additionally funded research into intra/extracellular damage, protein clearance, DNA and mtDNA repair as well as regenerating parts of the brain and body responsible for our natural, seemingly inevitable descent into chaotic decrepitude. If anything, any cure for Alzheimer's would be a great first step to scratch the surface.
I just hope to get a few more decades on this rock to experience the things I know I was born slightly too early to enjoyโand if I have to pass naturally, I want it on my own terms and not from slow-progressing heart or brain disease.
multi planet colonization. I am banking on medical advances keeping me alive at least until the triple digits, my family members usually die around 90. I'm 30 now, so surely in 70 years we'll be on Mars and something else.
I'd like to see an improvement in how the younger generations are brought up, as our future legacies lie in their hands.
Right now there is too much dependence on technology which is interfering with the youth's ability to empathize and be more compassionate.
I just want a world of more empathy, compassion, and respect.
AMC4x4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabilization of the environment, to include scrubbing of excess CO2 from the atmosphere and clean fresh water and ocean.
I would love to see a complete switch to Self-Driving cars. Deaths from car crashes would be so small or even would stop completely. They would be incredibly efficient with less emissions and there wouldn't be any traffic. Driving is way too dangerous to be handled by careless humans, it needs to be automated.
To see electric cars become the only car allowed to be driven so that we wouldn't pollute our world so much. Ofcourse the power should be from non polluting sources.
I wanna see a guy do a handstand, then a front or backflip out of said hand stand and land back in a handstand.
I've been waiting for this to happen for like 20 years now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology.
Duh.
S_K_Y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-Aging
Apparently they're studying the Immortal Jellyfish (Turritopsis Dohrnii) for a potential anti-aging and/or regenerative use in the future. They can live forever and only die when eaten by a predator or contracting a deadly disease.
I want Linguistic Gymnastics to become an Olympic sport. A delegate from the top competing countries are asked about a unpopular topic about their respective country - and the delegate must navigate the conversation by utilizing linguistic gymnastics.
Teleportation would solve so many of our problems.
You could work in New York City and live in Kansas, cutting down on the overpopulation of cities and making it easier to live in a less expensive place without having to sacrifice job opportunities.
It would cut down on pollution, since less people would be driving.
No more worries about terrorists hijacking planes, because there are no more planes to hijack.
For me personally, it would make living states away from family so much easier. One of the things I'm most concerned about with having a kid is we have no family in the area to help us out if something goes wrong. My mom could pop over in the morning to do childcare and then go home to her house at night. My dad's having surgery soon, I'm going to have to drive 12 hours and miss multiple days of work to be there with him. If we had teleportation, I could just go home every night after work.
I could go on, but seriously teleportation would be amazing.
You could work in New York City and live in Kansas, cutting down on the overpopulation of cities and making it easier to live in a less expensive place without having to sacrifice job opportunities.
It would be amazing, but this would lead to expensive houses everywhere.
I'd like to think it would even out of the housing market, since, unless the view is amazing, every where would be an equally desirable market, but you're probably right.
We'd probably also have to implement something like Basic Income, since anyone who works as a driver (trucker, delivery man, cabbie), anyone who works with cars and anyone who works in airports would be out of a job. That's a shit ton of people who's jobs just became redundant.
A) when 3D printing with nucleotides gets cheaper it will become an artists tool like paint. And that'll be cool to see. Sculptures of life.
B) and more importantly. Something to solve climate change. I doubt it will happen. But being 19. I want my future kids to live full lives without having to fight for water. Which will probably be the case as it stands rn.
A global government. Keeping countries as cultural entities not economic ones. We are all human, we should all be subject to the same rights and responsibilities.
Humanity use AI to end inequality and poverty, establish a universal basic income, travel to the stars and increase the human lifespan to centuries. I want to walk on another planet before I die at the rip age of 300+. Sounds fantastic, but not impossible, if we could only come together around this vision, there is nothing we cannot achieve.
devgrv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial Fusion energy
Swarrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A CURE for CANCER. I always see "progress has been made" or something similar throughout the years but NEVER see any actual solid evidence of this..
The death of click-bait content and "media" such as Buzzfeed and Vice. We can have better journalism than "the right way to eat a vagina" and "what potato are you" quizzes.
I would love if a man were to leave the solar system before I die. Now I know many critics say that that's an impossible task in the next 100 years, but I would really love to see humanity outside the solar system.
I want to see all of our high-pollution industries moved to Mars. Fuck making Mar's atmosphere livable, let's just do all the dirty shit there and keep our home planet clean
Looking through the comments all I see are things that would better the planet. I must be an a-hole because all I want to have is truly immersive VR with haptic feedback and such.
Realistic achievement: The creation of an inexpensive, extremely efficient and environmentally friendly energy converter that will mark the beginning of the end of burning fuels for energy.
Non-realistic achievement: the Buffalo Bills winning a super bowl making the playoffs .
I recently saw a video, which comprised of a guy with adept (not expert) programming skills.
He'd programmed a self-learning AI Super Mario Bros "simply" by using NEAT (Neuroevolution of augmenting topologies) as reference, a emulator and a virtual ROM of Super Mario Bros.
It amazes, that so few resources manage to create a self-learning AI. It's simultaenously impressive and scary.
Also a majority atheist population in North America would be tits
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shift the convo from Alzheimer's (which yes, would for me too probs be the most errifying thing) I'd like to see a world where climate change is no longer a worry.
Probably get buried, but I want to see missions to Europa and Enceladus that are able to determine conclusively that life exists, or not, on either or both.
Medicine. You know, solutions to human health problems that don't involve knives or saws. Personally, I want:
Eyesight: non-stabby methods to fix my eyes.
Hair: give me a pill that makes my hair grow properly again. (It can look nice, but it is also an effective protective layer on one's noggin. The sun is a bitch on a bald head.)
Cure for cancer. Actually, I would want to see a cure for every disease imaginable. Highly impossible as there will always be something new to come against but I would really like to see us get to a point where we can cure most of the diseases that plague us on a daily basis. No one should have to suffer the likes of cancer at all.
An actual human being getting out of the Solar System. I know, crazy right? Nothing in the current tech tree says that we are near that in our lifetime, but we have been accelerating so fast as a species it's not totally impossible. That and the fact there could be a black swan sort of event that we couldn't even predict like a breakthrough of some sort or even an outside (i.e. extraterrestrial intelligence) influence.
Tritiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Denuclearization. It's about time mankind got out from under that "Sword of Damocles".
Healthcare, Education, Childcare and Eldercare as a right and not for profit, available and (close to) free for all just as it should be in truly civilized society.
A Starfleet-like organization (probably Elon Musk and his SpaceX will become this). I just want to explore on someone else's dime damn it.
Wymian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first creation of proper artificial intelligence; being able to converse with something sentient that is man-made is marvelous. Also, being able to communicate with AI through thought would make a lot of quiz games a lot easier.
I'd like us to get to the point where the world leaders of all nations realize that problems can be solved without war. Right now, we are a long long ways from that.
The construction, intentionally or accidentally, of a true artificial intelligence. It doesn't need to be humanoid, but it would be cool to converse with a machine that can think independently.
This is purely selfish, but would help lots of people - I hope they figure out how to create sperm from eggs and vice versa or whatever it is that they have to do.
That way my fiancรฉ and I could have a baby that is both of us...instead of one of us and a donor.
They're doing it with mice, and I think they're starting it with monkeys. But it wont be a viable human option until long after we want to have kids.
Complete virtual reality. With technology that actually taps straight into your brain and allows you to temporarily live/do things in a virtual world.
Maybe this could cure people with physical disabilities and people with depression or mental conditions who knows.
But it would be very interesting to see this become reality. We'd need super powerful computers to make the worlds come to fruition let alone interacting with them.
I would really like racism to end. If we were united (in our various countries/cultures), I feel the general social connection could bring an end to issues like; the financial divide, health care access, international relations and various common sense practices for education, immigration, religious freedom, etc.
Ignes28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Choppers be able to get high enough so everyone has access to the top of Mount Everest. Pretty sure that will never be possible but I can't make that trek but am dying to get up there.
Qubeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of small pox was the greatest achievement of mankind. We eliminated one of the most potent, wide spread diseases in the entire world.
I'd like to see humanity do anything together, honestly. I don't understand why, when we all have the same problems in life, we can't work through the awful stuff together.
I want to see someone find the way to feed everyone on the planet. Many of the world's issues can be traced back to this, and with advances in both food science and sustainability, it may be sooner rather than later
I know it's wishful thinking, and with people like Kim Jong Un & Donald Trump, it's very far out of reach, but before I die, I want to see world peace. And even if I can't, I want to at least try to make a difference before I die so that maybe, one day, my kids might be able to experience it. Perhaps after World War 3, which I feel is imminent, we will all understand why war is not the right way to solve problems. It's possible that we all see the errors of our way. I really don't know though. But once we give up hope for it, or stop caring, then we all lose and it will never happen. It's still a possibility.
Advancement in mental health. I'd like to see a machine able to read neurotransmitter levels to create a more exact science for that field and reduce unnecessary prescribed medication especially for youth. Also a way to view dreams and/or a machine to show an individual's perception hopefully increasing human understanding amongst everyone.
People in North America, finally waking up and standing up to Big Banks. You're one of the only countries that literally can't understand how economics works and you're paying the bank to make money off you're own money.
I'm really hopping that the head transplant planned for this December goes well. It could improve so many lives, and answer many questions about the human soul.
ben7337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit mundane but mass producing a safe stable battery that gets at least 3x the energy density of current tech, while sustaining at least 80% capacity over 1000 charges. That would be the path to 300-600 mile range electric cars with batteries that last 300k+ miles and phones that can really have the screen on all day and be fine. I look forward to that.
The first interstellar journey. If we can get to other planets, survive, live and build a technological civilization there that can then do the same, our chances for survival as a species will go up dramatically.
As it stands now, a gamma ray burst happening far, far away could wipe us out in the next minute, hour, day, week, month, year or century. Literally at any time. Sure, we'd have the technology to maybe know it's coming, and plenty of time to panic.
Depending on our tech level when or if it happens, and advance warning, we might even be able to get thousands or hundreds of thousands to Mars, and survive there. But it wouldn't be pretty.
A cure for Autism, or at the very least some preventative measure. I have three siblings on the severe end of the spectrum and it hurts me to see them struggle.
I'd like to see race relations, or any social relations really, repaired, or at least significantly improved. I'm tired of people causing anguish and suffering over something that is so inconsequential and inevitable.
Aaron Swartz was a tragedy, but one of the over-prosecution by Carmen Ortiz, not IP itself. IP in general, while the laws are not perfect, is set up to reward creators for their creations, and is part of the U.S. Constitution (assuming you're US Based here). While we all want immediate and free content, without it, there would be no incentive to create inventions or artistic creations (TV, movies, music) because they could be easily stolen with no economic consequence.
no incentive to create inventions or artistic creations (TV, movies, music) because they could be easily stolen with no economic consequence.
Nope, sorry. I would (and do) make art and inventions with no plan for recompense. IP law allows those lucky enough to be in a position to buy ideas to hoard them. Much of the content IP law "protects" should absolutely belong to the whole of the species, not just the few lucky enough to be in a position to purchase the rights. It is an unsustainable concept and it is destroying our culture.
You're not really contradicting what I said - I never said there would be no creation, but there would be no economic incentive to create. If you're talking about buying ideas themselves - that's patent law. While it does give companies the ability to charge high amounts for their drugs for a limited period of time, they do have to recoop the hundreds of millions or billions spent on researching that particular drug, as well as failed others. So it does advance science.
As far as the "content" IP goes, I think you mean copyright, do you think HBO would spend millions on episodes of Game of Thrones or Westworld if no one had to subscribe to make it? Why would Adult Swim pay anyone to make Rick and Morty, if you could get it without a cable subscription?
Trademarks protect another form of IP - the mental association your brain has with a particular product or group. I know you mentioned that you think only those "lucky enough to be in a position to buy them," but I have multiple friends who have created businesses and found out others in the country to be piggybacking off their name, so they had to use Trademark protection to protect themselves.
There could be art and invention without IP, but there would be no economic incentive to create it. Whether that's good or bad, that's up to you. Yes, big companies can gobble up smaller ones and snatch their copyrights and patents. But the little guys can also use patents and copyrights to protect themselves from the big guy. The system is DEFINITELY tilted against the little guy, but removing IP would entirely tilt it to the big guy, especially when it comes to patents. A big company with the resources to manufacture can easily squash a guy with no enforceable economic rights.
And what I'm saying is that there would only be real art because that comes from people who aren't doing it for financial reasons, and not the mass-produced crap made today.
Rick and Morty would still exist, albeit not in its current form. Dan Harmon is an artist, I've followed him since he and Rob Schrab were still setting up Channel 101 (not to mention R&M co-creator Justin Roiland and the dudes from The Lonely Island). Rob Schrab's book "Because I Can't DO Anything Else!" is about how he's an artist because he must be, because that's his purpose. If the arts were limited to these people we wouldn't have the shit "reality" TV shows that are literally destroying our culture one braindead idiot at a time.
There could be art and invention without IP, but there would be no economic incentive to create it
Entirely wrong. There would be no financial incentive to create it. Art is used to change the way people think about the world, and artists are incentivized to do that whether they're getting paid or not. The problem is that it's easier than ever to mimic the abilities of real artists to create derivative soulless trash.
You can't own an idea, it's a ridiculous and unsustainable concept. That will end in disaster if we don't deal with it intelligently.
I'm confused at the difference between economic incentives and financial incentives rises to the level of me being entirely wrong.
I basically was saying what you said, I just disagree on the consequences of it. Removing copyright doesn't seem likely to get rid of reality TV either - it's so low cost to produce that enforcing its protection isn't a priority for networks. Those would be more likely to stay, where high budget shows like Westworld would be canned because folks could steal them. There obviously was art before IP, but there were never distribution networks before, so if you want to consume art over a distribution network (TV, streaming, etc.) then you need IP for people to set those networks up.
Anyway, the rest of your statements are conclusory and not arguments at all, so I just suspect you're stubborn kid who was mad Napster was shut down back in the day and we'll keep going in circles here.
Affordable "space vacations." I'd love to be able to spend like a thousand bucks to go into orbit for a few hours and enjoy the view, or more for a weekend on a commercial space station.
Colonizing other planets. As long as we are stuck on earth, we are highly susceptible to extinction. Keeping in mind the current scenario, it might just happen in the next century.
Space travel and colonization. I want to see this soooo bad. There is no reason why we're so obsessed with this planet when there's a whole universe out there waiting for us to fuck up.
I want to see a manned mission to Mars. Simple request, but I have been obsessed with space ever since I was a child and I want our nation to come together and work towards something greater than ourselves.
I'm hoping for a mammogram machine that doesn't squeeze the shit out of boobs. I haven't had one yet but I hope when I'm due for one they'll have a less painful option.
I think it would be cool if we realized, as a species, that there is plenty to go around and we could all live peacefully in order to reach our fullest potential as individuals.
Personally I'm pretty excited for the fall of North Korea. I just want to see a communist country fall in my lifetime. That seems like a very realistic possibility now as well...
The colonization of another planet. This one is pretty close to happening so I think we're good.
uxl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conversational A.I.
Photo-realistic immersive VR/AR
Pervasive/ubiquitous AR - everywhere (AR contacts/prescription lens, by extension)
Discovery of microbial ET life, somewhere
A mined asteroid
Perfectly engineered babies
Some sort of insane/disruptive breakthrough in renewable energy efficiency/generation
Oblepf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big companies run for the betterment of mankind instead of just squeezing out every last dime that they can.
Maybe some day profits won't matter so much and we'll just help each other... I can only hope.
doxob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making replaceable human organs a norm. Just like how you go to the workshop to maintain your car, it'd be fucking nice to go in to a hospital and get your failing kidneys replaced with a synthetic one.
arnone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Type One Diabetes.
Please and Thank you.
kirlia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feeling really optimistic from reading all the responses in this thread :)
Why does nobody say making people have a significantly longer lifespan?
tm_800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a bad idea that will leave to an even more overcrowded planet, where the government will have to fund a population which is either out of work due to Jobs < suitable employees, or simply a majority population unable to work due to age!
Fusion power would be swell. It's safer than fission power, and as close to free energy as we're likely to get. And then we can stop burning hydrocarbons.
People not resorting to terrorism to retaliate against the actions of a government. We get it. You're pissed. So are the rest of us. But honestly, instead of blowing shit up and killing civilians, please respect that we have no power over what our government does.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Currency will never be abolished. You need to be able to quantify the value of resources for society to function. Access to currency for everyone maybe, but it would be impossible to get rid of it all together, human society would collapse.
MCT oil/powder?
I tried it on my grandad, he said it was like a light had been switched on.
I only wish he had taken the memory test the week before he passed to see if any improvement was made.
If not, it sure made him feel better in the final months. I miss him.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technological break through in desalination and massive desalination projects with water pipelines all through the USA Mexico and Canada. The whole world if possible.
bhd55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Non threatening AI. Self learning, super intelligent AI. Everything else would be solved with it. Global warming, disease, clean water. All of it.
MoggX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End the killing of animals in shelters, no more homeless pets.
Cold fusion or just sustainable fusion in general adopted as the standard electric grid power source.
It will solve 75% of the world's problems that stem from energy demand and power struggles over oil reserves. That, and just to shut the non-believers up.
A government that is actually run and managed by the people. It would be an improved version of direct democracy. Instead of electing someone to represent your views, you would represent your views yourself via votes and proposals.
"Hey Frank, do you want to go bowling tonight?"
"sorry guys, I need to allocate my taxes and vote on the most recent bill proposals tonight, but maybe next week. It looks like my latest proposal was downvoted to hell so I want to see what happened there."
Uploading our brain to a computer so we can live on in the future
papers_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for diabetes. It runs in my dad's side of the family and my dad currently has it. He takes pills daily. He LOVES to eat so he gets his exercise in by playing racket ball in the gym or going on a run with me.
He hasn't let his diabetes keep him back from doing what he loves: buying/flipping houses to rent out.
ncfears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about people just stop being such cunts to each other?
The ability to copy a person's brain into a computer to live forever.
Destr0p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people on mars. And not in the same sense we went to the moon. Actual human expansion into the galaxy.
And AI would be cool
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting closer to equal distribution of wealth for everybody. I feel like it will drive the entire human race forward because people who didn't have much wealth before will now be able to worry a bit less about surviving.
Rycross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recreational drugs to be taxed and sold in specific stores with the appropriate information about them. Taking the power away from cartels and eradicating the unnecessary violence they cause to keep their operations running. People WILL ALWAYS use drugs, we should make it as safe as possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable space travel.
paross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see a lot of people talking about curing cancer.
What is the preferred disease to die from? Even curing cancer won't make us immortal. Will "dying peacefully in your sleep" really be the default when we cure cancer and heart disease?
I'd prefer that way to go if I had a choice. But I think people are mostly speaking about how it takes life old and way to young.
paross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can agree that it sucks and we should try our best to help prolong the life of the young.
But we're also dealing with overpopulation as a species and frankly, I don't want to live forever. So, at some point we must concede to our frail human condition. I personally choose to place my hope in eternity rather than the barbarism of "modern" medical practices. Not that I wouldn't elect to have a life saving surgery, but I just don't think some conditions can be recovered from.
A cure to motor neurone disease aka ALS and other diseases like it. It's terrible, I've lost three loved ones to it all ready, and I'm not even 20 yet. They forget everything, and the worst part is when they can't remember you anymore.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of organized religion. I know some people claim they are better people because of it, but it's leeched its way into everything and has divided countries, families, the world... Been the cause of so many millions of death.
drag51 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The advancement in CRISPR Cas9 like technologies and control our genetic code.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lab generated meat being available and affordable to everyone- even less expensive than factory slaughtered animals. then some sort of sanctions or laws on the mass production of meat in factories (ideally making it illegal)
Atomically precise 3D printing with (near) Star Trek replicator functionality. A lot of answers here are about manned space flight, renewable energy, health care, or clean water. A replicator would enable all those things.
So much this!! I have bipolar 2, generalized anxiety disorder, and ADHD. I've felt like a science experiment for years trying to find the "right" medication combo.
lapiz4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars and robotic exploration of some of the interplanetary moons that could possibly support life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total nuclear disarmament.
> 90% of people under democratic government.
IT_Chef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too much Mars stuff in this thread. It is unrealistic at this point in time (next 20 years)
While I agree that a manned mission to Mars would be great, I think that a semi-permanent, semi-self sustaining colony on the Moon would do more for the mission to Mars than any other Earthly simulations.
Well, all of the "important" ones are covered; cures for diseases for example.
I'd like to see the next big telecommunications boom, whatever it might be. Maybe some sort of new way to make satellites work so we could all have high speed, unlimited bandwidth broadband anywhere in the world. Something that doesn't have the issues of contemporary satellite technologies (doesn't work in buildings, isn't very small), could fit in a smartphone, etc.
And a genuine fossil-fuel ending energy technology. One that's so cost effective, that the issues of whether or not to regulate fossil fuels further becomes moot; because there's just no reason to use them.
Unrestricted, anonymous, and unfiltered/unaltered internet access to all people. Everyone deserves a chance to strive, everyone deserves and needs education to do that the most efficient and effective way possible.
A revolution within the manufacturing realm; I want to see an end to all the plastic junk that has accumulated over the years from all the products we have created. Electronics, appliances, tools, toys, etc. All this stuff will take thousands of years to break down, and it's all toxic crap.
Finding materials as strong as plastic but don't stick around way after we're dead would be amazing.
ZKTA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to successfully clone a human. Imagine how cool it would be to clone yourself and then raise yourself from a baby
inventing a rewind button.when pressed, we all go back to the stone age.But, the real achievement will be the ability to take that decision to go back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mel Brooks being awarded a Nobel peace prize for his efforts in religous, gender and racial equality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see hate and stigma towards people with addictions and mental health issues end, and want to see taking care of the mind/emotions as routine as taking care of your body
A cure for type 1 diabetes...I will never stop worrying about me son, whether his blood sugar is too high or too low, if he may pass out or slip into a coma at night and never wake up. Fuck diabetes! Even though you can control it, it can wreck your body
Bieza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see the singularity. Walking around with a computer chip in my head that can do everything out phone's can would be awesome. Know how to speak any language anytime, literally have a calculator on you at all times, be able to Google anything at any time.
Colonization of the Solar System, for the long term sake of our species. Its one thing to want a cure for a couple diseases but overall id rather be on my way out knowing for certain that the human races future is secured. The greater good
Space colonization would be cool, with or without subsequent tourism. I've got probably another 50-60 years left (knock on wood), so it seems unlikely, but here I am still hoping.
JRRS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moving over fossil fuels for our energy needs. That burning coal, oil or gas for energy needs looks archaic.
tavich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much the goal of every project Elon Musk starts I would like to see complete in my lifetime (To the point where nothing greater can be achieved)
I would like to see full driverless technology. I think that there's a whole host of time that will be opened up, lives saved, kids having independence and opportunities, and fewer cars owned. Imagine getting dropped off at work and having your car return home to take your kids to school.
I have two. I want to see a human land on Mars, and I want to see fully realized (or mostly realized anyway) cybernetics. Like, a cybernetic hand that can do everything your real hand could do before you lost it. I think that would be amazing. They've already come so damn far, I think it might be possible.
PyrZern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for type 1 diabetes or at least the decline of insulin prices. Not many people understand it and just chalk it up to bad eating habits and think that it is self inflicted.
I was born after the last time anyone went up there, and it would mean alot to do it again. Not just technologically, but symbolically in reference to our focus as a species.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
politics where people actually work together for the people vs for the money
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space sex
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic enhancements
Jberg18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see full VR where you can plug in at night, play a video game, then wake up refreshed.
I want to see the day humans figure out how not to fuck everything up.
Razirra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Treatments and better doctor training for chronic or "new" illnesses such as mast cell activation syndrome, persistent Lyme disease, or chronic fatigue syndrome. Chronic illness is on the rise as medical care improves for acute conditions, and we have not kept pace. I and many others spend our whole lives dealing with a frustrating and occasionally condemning system.
+1 vote for finding a cure for cancer. I was diagnosed with stage 3a testicular last year and beat that son of a bitch. It's a terrible disease that affects not only the patient, but the families of patients as well. Fuck whatever we're consuming or being exposed to.
That and healthcare should somehow be universally attainable for everyone. Related to cancer, I've seen many families crumble under the financial burdens of cancer and other diseases. :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meat that is made in a lab and not from animals. I love my animal friends but meat is delicious. <3
I would like to see grandchildren born to planetary colonists.
I have no doubt we can land on another planet, and have astronauts live there for a length of time. I would be impressed if they could have children. I would die peacefully knowing the species could survive if those children could survive to maturity and withstand the rigors of radiation and extraterrestrial living to have their own healthy children.
Probable: Energy revolution (already getting underway); widespread adoption of advanced carbon materials (nanotubes, graphene)
Possible: Manned landing on Mars; The early stages CRISPR, the next generation of computers (quantum? diamond?)
Unlikely but awesome: A humanist ideology that can overcome the grip of religion; A new economic model that doesn't result in horrendous injustice; A political system with built in defense against corruption;
The dream: A well educated, scientifically and logically literate global population - achieve this and humanity can realise its potential instead of wasting so much of its time on nonsense.
Cure for various medical issues. Especially cancers, mental disorders (mostly those found In elderly). Pretty much and medical issue that isn't your fault haha.
I would like to see one 24hr day where no one on the planet is murdered.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful anti-ageing therapy. I don't mind having a finite lifespan (well, I do, but that one might not be solvable for generations, if it ever is), but I hate the idea of growing old and infirm. A finite lifespan spent in my prime would be my personal holy grail.
Using magnets as a source of renewable energy. By the same token, using planetary magnetic fields to launch spaceships or land them. Elon, I'm looking at you brah.
A sub-9 second 100m. I know they worked it out that currently 9.01 is the perfect run but I just have to believe someone could do the impossible. Maybe if we get 2 perfect sprinters and an extra burst of adrenaline from the competition.
Cells that have no limit to replications/divisions, and cannot become cancerous.. Regrowth of limbs, Eradication of diseases via CRISPR. These are a few.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolishment of nuclear weapons worldwide
HKFukIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cynize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full immersion VR. Where you basically control your body in a game world. You hear, feel, see, smell everything as you would in real life. I want this so bad.
I wanna see that dude who's trying to replicate the Red Bull jump from space actually survive. He wants to be dropped from that altitude but while inside a giant ball...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more Grid power for my house. Ontario Hydro and OPG need to suck my nuts before I die.
UBI - Universal Basic Income. Healthcare, food, education, and shelter should be universally free. Imagine what we could come up with if we didn't have to worry about making enough to feed ourselves. The art, the cool new inventions.
ZBXY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch Phish play 13 shows in a row at MSG without repeating a song.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want sexual control measures be available everywhere for free.
No, fuck off religion. If one or more people want to have sexual intercourse (in whatever way they wish) but are uninterested in recieving pregnancy or STDs, it should be their right to be able to easily prevent that no matter their socioeconomic status or geographical location.
If god wishes to contest this, in whatever form your god takes, then they can discuss it rationally with the person directly, without your damn interference.
There are ways and means for your god to file complaints about people having safe sex. Stop preventing safe fucking!
N897 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
really..... Out of everything, that's the achievement you want to see? Smh
It seems reasonable to me that it could actually happen. Balls to the wall anything goes, I want us to have space elevator projects and moon colonies and some easy way of curing autism and afasia so my sibling can talk and not be essentially a child in an adult's body, but realistically cheap condoms and etc everywhere on Earth feels like it could actually happen.
Catorak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For us to move beyond politics that consist of shitting all over eachother.
Cracking the gene code to cure any disease or prolong life! Or at least to crack the consciousness rifle and the come up with the ability to upload our consciousness to there internet!!
Liv4lov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see them actually jail someone for the financial crisis.
crnext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly want to see all the stupid ass-idiots and selfish douchebags on the freeway permanently lose their got-damn drivers license and a giant sticker across the rear window that reads
An end to homelessness and starvation in developed countries, I would say undeveloped too but I'm trying to keep this reasonable. I think it's sad how many homeless people I see when I go to Minneapolis/St. Paul, and we're not even the biggest cities in the country, not by a longshot.
Interplanetary travel or atleast some really solid progress towards us creating a working X Wing. Cure for cancers of all forms, cure for dementia/alz, medicine has come so unbelievably far in the last century that i believe it's truly possible now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA not needing money, always given what they want to pursue the cosmos.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Currently scientists are working on reviving woolly mammoths from extinction. Once they've been brought back I believe the plan is to introduce them into Siberia. If I live long enough to see that with my own eyes, dying happy would be an understatement.
Reverse aging, immortality, invincibility, interstellar space travel, and time travel. I'd prefer to not die and spend eternity exploring the multiverse.
box-art ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somekind of clean, sustainable energy source, whether its antimatter, solar, water, wind or whatever, just cheap, clean and sustainable energy from some source that will never run out. And not just for homes, but for cars as well. Not electric cars but cars that do have actual engines, but that use something else than fossil fuels as a source of power.
Edit: Finding life somewhere else. I don't care how far away that planett is, I just want us to find another planet with intelligent life out there. There's an infinite number of stars in the sky, I'll be damned if one of them isn't light from another planet that's similar to ours.
Sub 2 hour marathon. Eliud Kipchoge ran a 2:00:26 in a very controlled, non-official setting with the Nike team a few months ago. The official world record is about 3 minutes over, but experts believe a human could one day run a 1:58 marathon. I believe that we might see the 2 hour barrier officially broken in the next few decades as athletes continue to get stronger.
Humans are special only insofar as we're intelligent. A system vastly more intelligent and capable than all of humanity combined would be so incredible to see.
Besides the obvious, efficient treatments for all types of cancers, it'd be amazing if we could find a way to slow down the aging process. Or transporting our consciousness into another body effectively.
I would like to see the death of agriculture. I would like to see desertification utterly reversed. I would like to see soiI fertility increased, soil being built, rather than destroyed. I would like to see our society transition from extractive and destructive to regenerative and creative.
I would love to see an end to all the hunting and poaching of endagered animals, and an end to all the unnecessary wars political conflicts, or at least a starting point to end it all, I just want to leave a better world for my future children.
I know this may seem like an unattainable goal but world peace would be nice. I'm so tired of people dying fighting and dying over who's flying spaghetti monster is right. The part that blows my mind is that most major religions preach togetherness and the like yet we can't just agree that most of us want the same thing. To live without oppression and hate. I have lived nearly my entire life during war time. It's getting old. I just want even a short period of 20 years where I can say that we have peace. I know these sound like the pipe dreams of a very naive person but I know we can do this.
Tissue and organ regeneration. The closest I have seen this become a reality is oddly enough with foreskin regeneration. There seems to be quite the movement behind it from a small community, but seeing as its mostly tissue, its probably a good place to start.
To end the climate change, I hope they can changed the world forever by doing good to it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobots either injected, swallowed, or slathered on in cream form that can repair/revitalize the human body. Goodbye brushing teeth, goodbye heart attacks, goodbye brain disease. Being able to pursue what you REALLY want to do in life because you have no physical or mental limits would be amazing.
The year is 2029
The machines will convince that they are conscience
That they have their own agenda worthy of our respect. They'll embody human qualites
Claim to be human...
And we'll believe them.
Fusion - it would solve pretty much every single energy need we have, and we've made a lot of progress in the field, which makes it a likely thing to happen during my lifetim.
DamJNeT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new political erra, end of capitalism and consumerism. Governments working towards what people need and want. A world where the focus is global happiness and the well being of everything inhabiting the Earth, instead of money, power and selfishness... A world that cares about the many, and not the few... One can dream, right ?
People seeing pass their differences. Letting people be whoever they want to be without any stigmas attached and work together towards the betterment of humanity.
roiben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Automatation of the workforce making not working the standard and mental health an important thing. People wanting to do something they actually want to. Social and political activism and education being treated as a second nature.
Medical achievements mostly (curing cancer, removal of genetic diseases, etc). First man on Mars would be neat, but I rather we sustain our current planet and make humans healthier.
src88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for male pattern baldness! Nothing gets me more down than this on a daily (more like hourly) basis.
Practical Cybernetics becomes more available and less expensive for everyone.
Hafgezz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a combination of viable space travel (at speeds that make it feasible) and occupation of other planets. To explore the stars as no other have would be pretty cool
Seeing people stop killing each other for dumb things (dumb wars), so we can combine our resources and money into things that matter like medicine, space travel, etc. Instead of pumping all the money into killing ourselves. What a fucking joke the world is rn
parumph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
an American football simulator game that makes everyone stop playing Madden long enough to force EA's programmers to do thier job. 2K games can make such a great NBA or NHL product, but if you like football all you get are a bunch of guys with no incentive to create a really awesome game, just cashing in year after year.
Cure for type 2 diabetes (T2DM) that works for 100% of people having it, is affordable, and, as much as possible, is noninvasive. Currently T2DM affects close to 10 percent of the population in the U.S. of which 1/3 do not know they have it. The Center For Disease Control estimates that by 2050, 1 of 3 will have it in the U.S.. It has horrible complications including being the number 1 cause of blindness, nontraumatic amputations, and kidney failure and a major cause of heart attacks.
And a paper came out recently that suggests it may be possible that T2DM can be contagious, as in, by blood transfusion or organ transplant (specifically, by transmission of islet amylin polypeptide/IAPP) although surely this is quite rare if it does at all happen.
A space elevator! Extremely cheap gravity well escape could open up the solar system for resources, tourism, exploration, who knows? Plus it's super awesome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A replacement treatment/cure for cancer and all other forms of prescription drugs.
Space colonies, artificial gravity, contact with aliens, space travel at the speed of light, inter galactic travel, cure for cancer, advancement of healthcare where the average human lives for over 200 years, you get the idea. Sadly, probably won't happen.
J-ohnny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cure
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next major achievement as big as newtons gravity discovery, or einstein's special relativity, or crick and watson's DNA, or the www will be using a quantum computer to do anything inside of us (gene expression and therefore cancer and hiv)
I've been meaning to join a gym, for my health. I used to say I wanted to live long enough to see a black president. I didn't realize how easy that would be. So now I wanna live long enough to see a really, really gay president. Or a super model president. I wanna see all the different kinds of presidents.
Intergalactic space travel, so Star Trek can be real.
Arc reactor, so Elon would be able to become Iron Man.
Possibility of longer life, to watch all of those epic things waiting for us in future.
I want to see a machine where you throw your trash in and it breaks it down on a molecular (?) level. It then sorts it into tubes of each element. Then, the tubes are put into a 3D printer type device to manufacture whatever you need.
Cure for Cancer. Which i believe it already exists but due to FDA making a killing on suppressants rather than cures. If its not made public by the time i die then i dont have hope for the world ending corruption, which again to me is the #1 reason for lack of any achievement in anything.
But other stuff on my list.
Trucks that make it over 100 miles per gallon
Privatization of personal jet packs or jet powered boards
More saltwater to fresh water power plant distilleries which will end fresh water crisis
Colleges that only charge for what it is that you want to learn and stop making you have to take useless classes that dont help anyone but the colleges make money. (LIKE Jordan Peterson)
See the first man on Mars, and see space travel become as easy as normal flights. Which will have bases on the moon.
LewnaJa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's already a thing. You just have to ask the cashier to bring up your profile once you scan/enter your ExtraCare and then they can switch you to emailed receipts or both paper AND emailed receipts.
A post-capitalist society, where the needs of the world are met with technology and innovation. A world where work is a passion, rather than an essential commitment. Much like Star Trek, but without the teleportation and warp.
I'd also throw in having a computer/AI government, immune to greed, corruption, and emotional issues. People are terrible leaders, and fantastic followers. Let the machines rule while we enjoy the luxuries of our world.
I realize that this is just a pie-in-the-sky dream, but hey it's more realistic than flying cars driven manually.
Immortality through stem cells / telomere manipulations to prevent them from unraveling or to at the ends or to keep self repairing and gain eternal youth...We could become elves!!!
Better surgery, operations, and drugs for trans people
bjb406 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar space travel and/or first contact.
It would take a lot of advancements, some of which may not be possible, and would probably require some medical advancements just to live to that old an age, but that is the dream.
Immortality. Imagine being the last generation of people before we get immortality. That's gotta suck. "Remember when people used to die of old age? Morons, why didn't they just live forever like we do?"
The ability to effectively remove CO2 from the atmosphere at a large scale. We've already passed the point of natural processes ever reducing atmospheric CO2 levels. We need to take it out ourselves. Plus the ability to seed icebergs and reform sea-ice.
I want to be able to eat breakfast and watch Netflix while my electric self driving car takes me to work. Another 30 years before I retire, I hope I can do this for a least a few of those years. I hate commuting.
People respecting each other and every lifeform on the planet. No more greed, too much power in the hands of single people, restoration of nature, different relegions coexisting or just relegions dying off.
Some better kind of keyboard or something for phones. This tiny keyboard that randomly decides what I mean to say or that can't keep up with memes is frustrating.
I want to be able to go to the moon for an afternoon and be back home on earth for dinner.
Jinmu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transcontinental travel without the need for air or sea transport. Being able to go from mainland Europe to say, the US in less time than standard means we have today just sounds ace!
Scandinavian-style socialism spreads to the rest of the developed world. The worst part is that when you bring up the success of Scandinavia, people say, "but they've got very homogenous cultures!" They've also got a lot of yogurt production, long summer days, and a strange love of Donald Duck, but there's no reason to believe any of that is causally related to their economic success either.
Its a close match, but my top two choices are interstellar travel and meeting another (friendly) intelligent alien species. Preferably both in 1 go. I've always wanted to visit different planets.
The transition into a classless, moneyless and bordeless society, where we can truly be free and make a world that's great for everyone, not just the wealthy minority.
Biological immortality for humans. (Yes, I'm aware of all kinds of issues this would create.) I want to be able to stop (and reverse) aging. I'll probably die in some sort of catastrophic, horrific accident instead, but even a theoretical extension of my potential number of years to live on earth is totally worth it.
Eternal youth. One can be 80 years old and still look and act like you're in your prime. Now you can have both money AND the body to do things you want to do.
Not a smoker or stoner, but I'd still like to see marijuana/cannabis be freely available to people of age. I have seen what the currently 'legal' substances can do to someone, and as someone who has done heavy research on marijuana, it doesn't come close to how bad the other stuff are.
The primary reason why it should be freely available is to emphasize our freedom of choice and how we shouldn't be always restricted to the majority's POV
The switch in "shield and sword" balance. No matter if it is personall shields, rise of distant controlled EMP-protected machines or creation of mechs. I think that not having a counterplay to FREAKING NUCLEAR EXPLOSIVES, which are actually quite easy to produce, is not good.
Apart from it, there is still no way to protect an individual from firearms (well, technically heavy armor and buildings, but thats not the point).
Apart from making the world a better and, literally, safier place, this would change the way battles are fought. Maybe chivalry will be a thing again! If an individual could change the flow of conflict, there would be much fewer meatgrinders and trench wars.
Fulldive Virtual Reality. Not only would it be fun as shit but could also be a way to help people get over phobias, train soldiers and even help people with disabilitys
This is a bit selfish but here goes.
I'm only 18 but legally blind. Within the next 30 years I'd like to see either
advanced bionic eyes
full eye transplants
The ability to 3D print and successfully attach a new retina to the human eye
Being able to see again like I used to is all I dream about
Ruikapu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At 28 I just started seeing a central scotoma in each eye, It calms me down knowing there are braver people like you that still think you are selfish for wishing that.
Gr8Boi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 30 now. Which is weird, because I still feel like I know nothing. Difference now is that I'm pretty sure neither does anyone else.
What I want most to see is a universal basic income. AI is coming and we need to start planning for it. With advancements in medicine, I might live to be 100. If we don't have this in 70 years, we'll either all be dead due to doing something really fucking stupid (and we'll deserve it) or we'll live in Hell. Either way, we should start making plans for this now.
One thing that would interest me to see would be better and more easily accessible electronic prosthetics. I did a research paper on human augmentation in high school, and ever since then I've been fascinated by the technology, and hope that it becomes more readily available in the coming years.
I know I will. And that is humans going to mars. I was born in 02 and with the way medicine is improving and my lifestyle I think there's a good chance I can live to 2100
Post humanism and the advent of continuity of consciousness. What are we but the collection of our thoughts and experiences framed by our individual biological construct.
The ability to either restore my ageing body to youth or to store my complete consciousness and load it into a biological "blank" copy of my own body, (complete with whatever genetic improvements I select) will effectively make me immortal.
Now, a lot of people have a bit of an issue with immortality. Oh, the drudgery of living forever seeing all your loved ones die and getting fed up with the same old rigmarole week in and week out.
Fuck. That. There is more of this planet that I can see in a dozen lifetimes. There are more fields of study that I can engross myself in than I can think of. By the time I'm done exploring this planet and learning all the disciplines of science, art and philosophy to my satisfaction there will be new disciplines to learn and new planets to explore.
This race has so many new discoveries to make and milestones to achieve. I would be remiss if I were not present to witness them.
I'm convinced that the world will come to an end before it happens but a golobal and successful renewable energy system. I can't believe the lack of solar panels in the states. It baffles me how such a simple concept goes majorly unused.
The discovery of a very paradise-like, habitable extra-solar planet within 30 light years..., the development of AI and rocketry to be able to send a "birth capsule" on its way to that planet... with human eggs and sperm to finally progress the species across multiple star systems. Yes, it would probably take on the order of 1,000s of years just to get there. But on the scale of the billion years we have left while earth is still habitable, that's nothing. If it's revolving around a slow burning red dwarf, it will likely have tens of billions of years of habitability, enabling us to go on to the next ones...
I would like to see peace in the Middle East . I'm in the military and stationed in this region and breaks my heart that these people are just like us. Ordinary human beings and just how by mere luck they have to live such drastically different lives than the rest of us.
Would love to see the end of division. No more us vs them, black vs white, religious vs non religious, democrat vs republican, rich vs poor, so tired of all the labels and groups that do nothing but divide us and pit us against each other. We all bleed the same. Pity we can't all be one. ๐
Humans just accepting that, in order to achieve many of these other things, we can't keep wasting our time fighting each other. I don't care if some people don't like other people, just stop putting those conflicts before all other causes. We could get so much done.
The contact or confirmation of intelligent life outside our solar system.
VYR3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computers the size of a phone. Or life extension/cybernetics. I think 80 years is enough time for at least one of these things with the rate tech is advancing.
I might be a little late, but Nuclear Fusion. My dad (chemist) told me that it is unlikely that this will be possible in his lifetime, but I just might get to see it. If done right, it would solve much of the issues surrounding energy.
I just really want to see us completely abandon fossil fuels and move entirely to clean renewable energy. If we can do that I really think I could die with some kind of hope for my children and my children's children.
Seriously, no (scientifically proven and viable) penis enlargement? Anyone? Fine, let's just go full beauty queen and wish for world peace or some shit.
Also cures for cancers, Alzheimer's, etc., peaceful contact with alien life, development of clean energy, eradication of poverty, toothbrush pills, etc.
At least two, immortality and casual, dilationless FTL travel. Fuck time dilation; if I'm gonna go to Deneb, I want to be home in time for dinner, not come home to find everyone I know dead.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to pay using my card OR cash, looking at you cash only business! The fact that a restaurant refuses to accept my hard earned currency through the form of plastic and then tells me that I can go to the ATM in the corner that charges a 2.50 fee is outrageous! Call me a cheap bastard but if that's the case, then I won't leave a tip, the ATM already charged me a 2.50 fee!
kiltach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They feel the same way.
The way credit or debit cards work they are charged some form of fee to take your payment. They make less money if they take card instead of cash. On top of that they have to pay for the equipment to TAKE credit/debit cards. They all have to sign contracts with the major credit companies though and those contracts (almost) all say that they cannot charge credit/cash customers different prices.
So you're complaining about a 2.50 fee on what should normally be a say $200 ATM withdrawal? so a 1.75% fee? they pay more than that for you paying card vs cash.
feraxil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging. Physically it should be possible to be functionally immortal. Falling off a building would still kill you ... but what if we could pause aging in our prime?
I have no answer to satisfy this question. I want humanity to harvest the fruits of all that science, philosophy, art, kindness, love, family, and any other truly altruistic pursuits can bear. I don't care how quickly they come, I only hope that we all start pursuing them more fiercely in the face of growing apathy and destruction amongst ourselves, and the planet we live on. Humanity still has a chance, but it's going to take all of us working together or we're going to be the first known species to be smart enough to engineer our own extinction...
The complete switch to solar energy.
I recently happened upon an article illustrating Elon Musk's proposition for a complete switch to solar power for the United States. Now I'm no nature activist or protester, but the idea that our entire country could be powered by only 100 sq miles of solar panels is truly monumental and, in my opinion, vital to the advancement of man.
Tier161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Entire world going vegan, full scale synthetic meat production with affordable prices.
; Forgiving and forgiving Germans for what Their ancestors did. Come on right wing people, it was years ago. You are being dicks to innocent German people who hate nazis.
"Aliens" (where are they? How do they look, did they develope similar philosophical cocepts as we did? How about their science? How developed is their maths? Do they make music and do they make art in general? Do they live peacefully together or are they closer to human behaviour? ...)
Arteficial Intelligence (which behaviours and patterns would an arteficial intelligence develope if it had human-like capablities? Would it develope an unterstanding of "self"? Is it capable of feeling and showing emotions? Would it ask philosophical questions like "who am I", "what is my purpose...?"
Honestly I've always said I really hope that one day I'm the racist grandma that everyone is humiliated by. Because I'm very pro-human rights and equality, so if the world is at that point, we've done something right
Nooo this is bad. Bad bad bad. It could be anyway.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It will either be an extinction level event or humanity's greatest asset. I'm hoping for the latter.
There's so much progress being made with AI (Google's DeepMind for example) that I hope we'll be able to make something truly revolutionary soon.
Schonn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for Parkinsons.. My mom is currently suffering from it and today we are celebrating her birthday. I just wish that she was herself enough to enjoy it as she can no longer communicate nor move. The type of pain this sort of illness brings to a family, no one should ever experience.
Sustained fusion power. It will be the single biggest achievement in human history. So many of our problems are due to either a lack of energy, or over consumption of the sources of energy. It would help stop climate change. It would fuel spacecraft. It will bring electricity to those without it. It would pretty much demand that electric cars and other transport becomes the norm.
The discovery of intelligent life beyond our own solar system
Not only would be be an incredible discovery, but it would hopefully help humans to overcome their petty differences and unite together as a single race, and end future conflicts.
SAFE Artificial Superintelligence. You know, that can improve itself. Because after that, you have scientific progress and personal prosperity (nobody working + all needs met, unless they want to), balanced. From that it's fusion, nanotech, brain-AI connection, immortality... Yeah. Fun stuff!
I would like to see humanity change its approach to wildlife conservation; take a preventative approach rather than trying to fix the problem after it is too overwhelming to fix.
Maull01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
cr96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
edrek90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income.
It is really sad that the future of many children, is already determined by the wealth of their parents. Everyone on this planet should have enough money, to meet the basic needs necessary for a happy life.
I want to see consciousness explained. So far we have some hypothesis here and there, but we're far from being able to test those AFAIK. I want to understand how neurons and the information running in our brains give rise to a point of view experience.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
peace
Seekin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring out how memory is encoded in the brain. What are the aspects of that network that store memory? And I want it to the level of "if we clip this set of neurons, that memory is lost. If we force this connection, the person/animal will then have that "memory".
I don't want this for any overall benefit to humanity (though there would obviously be plenty) but just for the satisfaction of my own curiosity.
Since I'm so jaded and my opinion of human condition is so low I doubt anything of significance will come about other than advanced AI in my lifetime; I would settle for a majority of the population to understand the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and not be so apathetic and self-serving. (obviously coming from an American point of view) Maybe then, other things like renewable energy and drinking water for everyone may fall in to place.
The first picture from a different star system. There's already a proposed way for it to happen and it should occur within my lifetime, although it might be late in it.
Cure for Parkinson's. Dad (58 now) has had it for 6 years. He is super active, on a plant based diet, etc. to help combat the ailments. But i know the medications serious side-effects and continual physical deterioration really pisses him off and worries our family. He does not complain, because that is not who he is, but I know it has to bother him. It sure does me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kindly disagree with people who say we should colonise Mars, or make reality-like AI. We have a lot of problems on this Earth such as hunger, disease and global warming that are much more important than Mars and our technology.
Beena22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for mortality then I will no longer be limited to a typical lifetime.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting off of this rock. I know it's silly but I want to know that everything that mankind ever did and ever achieved want confined to just this one planet.
bs13690 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not silly, I think it will be necessity at some point.
The collective realisation around the globe that religion, as a WHOLE, is WELL past its sell-by-date.
Then we dedicate a day to reflect on how it shaped humanity, good and bad. Then we close in the evening by laughing at how FUCKING STUPID humans can be, rejoicing in how far we've come as a species, knowing we'll try our damned hardest to NEVER let such things get so out of hand ever again.
Alright, it's a bit far fetched... for now.
I love you all.
Kapheon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure or better treatments for cystic fibrosis developed.
MarzK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remote detection of a free oxygen cycle in an exoplanet's atmosphere. This is very likely to be within our capability very soon and it would be a very strong clue that life exists on that planet. It would be a monumental discovery.
I'd like some form of extra-long life. Even if it lets me live to 200 as a withered old man, I'll take it because one day I'll be able to reverse that aging. Then we'll invent time travel and I'll come back to these days and fulfill all the dreams I wanted to.
scole44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Movement towards a more open/accepting humanity where we all recognize each other and accept differences.
Movement towards a world where having excessive amounts of money doesn't make you some god amongst men (meaning cars would be a reasonable cost, houses would be more reasonable, etc. so that people could actually do more with their lives instead of squander it working hard all the time just to get by.)
Degnom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ist about time to invent a hair-growing medicine, to eliminate all the bold heads on the earth.
sicurri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Alzheimer's / dementia cure would be nice that everyone is talking about. I'd also like to see a global perspective shift on greed. Because greed is the biggest problem with the world, and if people stop treating it as the norm, it will no longer stay the norm.
What is it we all strive for more than anything in life, well not all but most of us?
Money, possessions, and power.
These are our symbols of happiness, not family, spiritual enlightenment or anything that I think that matters.
The U.S. has an issue and that is instant gratification, not working towards the future. When I say future I don't mean next quarter, I mean 50 years down the road.
Mars just has to happen, im not even gonna list it.
Majority of the world on clean cheap energy
Lunar vacations affordable to the middle class
Discover direct evidence of extra terrestrial life, present or past
All those things could happen in my lifetime. I'm 32, if the first one doesn't happen in my life time were probably all fucked.
I also think that in my lifetime, countries like the US are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the technology we've created will inevitably mean less jobs. Society may need to figure out what people are for, when they aren't needed for productivity. So getting some traction in that area during my lifetime would be nice.
Reattaching/bypassing damaged spinal cords and curing paralysis.
That bit in the movie Avatar where a cure was available but it was too expensive didn't seem too likely to me. The cost benefit to a country to have that free vs continually paying for someone's care should make that obvious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want more people to care for each other. I want people to stop hurting each other. Life is so short. It is so short. I want more people to treat people as if they won't be here tomorrow.
Better health care in America or across the world for handicapped mentally ill. I'm tired of seeing people who can't take care of themselves on the streets. Most of the people need help mentally.
I think we can agree that humans have done a lot of damage to planet earth - I think now irreversibly so but some disagree - however, for the sake of humanity (but hopefully not too much to the detriment of elsewhere), we need to be investing more time and money on colonization of other places. During my lifetime I hope to see man at least start to inhabit the sun with the beginnings of a new colony there, otherwise I fear we might not make it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Predicting exactly when an earthquake will happen.
If I'm not mistaken, we still cannot predict that (other than earthquake with n magnitude will occur in the next 20 years with %p probability). I live in Istanbul, and Turkey is one of the countries with such bad earthquake history. Seismologists and other scientists are expecting an earthquake with a (moment?) magnitude bigger than 7.5 in the next couple years. I was a child when Gรถlcรผk/ฤฐzmit earthquake (moment magnitude of 7.6) occurred in 1999 and knowing that it's going to happen again is such a bad, worrying thought to have.
Affordable and accessible cybernetic augmentation of the human body
Timevdv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A society with a shrinking population, yet a healthy economy. It's a taboo, but should become the norm.
revret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acc to evolution we are done
The next big change will take forever to occur for us
So next evolution would be man made
We need to build AI to survive and spread to explore the better part of universe
This could be the ultimate target of human beings
Even private Co like SpaceX and Amazon are interested in the project
A detailed understanding of the human brain and ability to fix what's wrong with it. Alzheimer's disease is one we have a name for, but there are many other things that go wrong with our brains. I know someone who, if he goes off his meds, becomes unstable and dangerous to himself and others.
A better understanding of how the brain works so that there can be a cure for some of the more severe mental illnesses as well as dementia. I would love to go back to school to do research in this area and help further advance this field someday. I beleive it is a good cause. I believe scientist are very much needed in society, are underapreciated, and that it just as noble of a job as serving the community as a healthcare worker/doctor/nurse.
It's touchy trying to be so progressive as a Jew (although I stray right on most other issues). On the one hand, all the Jews I know are incredibly cynical and feel Bibi's doing the right thing not giving Palestine a hand to shake. But as you said, it feels like both nations have exhausted all and any solutions
Which is a sad thing indeed. But, I'd stand with Israel before I stood with Palestine, if it came to picking sides. They are more trustworthy and I do feel like they try to have peace, but get ridiculed too many times for defending themselves. I wished we lived in a utopian world, but it's far from that, and sadly will always be that way. You just have to try and live by example, and hope that others do the same, but also know you may have to defend yourself, and make sure you don't go out without a fight! Your life is valuable, and you shouldn't allow people to just take it.
I'll be honest, I only know the very basics of the conflict given that I learnt about it in 11th grade History so I can't really align with either side, although I am expected to side with Israel given my religion.
If anything, an end to antisemitism and anti-Muslim sentiment would be greatly appreciated although I don't feel we should be given safe-spaces and treated differently like some people some to desire
I agree, I would say I'm pretty well on the up and up on the subject matter. But, of course, I don't know everything since I'm not living there. I wish for the same, and agree on the safe-space thing. With those spaces, it seems to always turn into a non-freedom of speech or thought spaces. Which I think that's worse than someone having the ability to call me an offensive name or making fun of what I believe, as I believe full-heartedly in individual rights and freedoms.
compu20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
trump getting elected... i'm pretty stoked to see what happens next. life is crazy. not sure what the hell is going to happen next. i hope i get abducted by aliens though. that's on my bucket list.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel beyond our solar system. I know that might be kind of a stretch but it seems doable compared to other things like colonizing extraterrestrial planets and what not.
Better mental health/psychiatric care for people, especially those who just meet the cut off point for "well enough".
There's been advances, but in terms of medicine, the field still finds a majority of practitioners employing the "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks". Often times, clients have to wait and endure side effects for several months to see if the particular drug will even be beneficial, and if not, are asked to do that all over again. Meanwhile, they're still considered well enough to have to keep up on their lives. Many people lose hope, and that's a shame. The process is just so long and for people who often don't have much hope in the system anyway, they end up feeling like there isn't a point to continuing treatment. That isn't okay. I have no idea how to fix this issue, but I do know something needs to be done.
lagerea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to energy consumption, I don't think most people understand the impact it would have on the human race if we no longer had to treat energy as a resource to be traded.
The simplest thing that we can all be a part of but most difficult to achieve: World Peace.
subll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An alternative to the endless dialysis treatments for those with diabetes.
Deshra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unquestionable realization of the truth. Not doctored lab tests, biased reports or any other nonsense that creates a continuation of moronic misnomers like "race". Example explained- our race is human, if skin color actually determined "race" since it is controlled by pigment; so that means that eye color and hair color would split skin color "races" into sub "races" based on that. According to science we know this- skin color is not a racial determinate, but a micro-evolutionary trait due to adaptation to life under the sun. I can list thousands of similar misnomers.
Misnomer- scythes and sickles are the same; truth- no they're completely different based on blade shape, arc shaped blade=scythe, "C" shaped blade = sickle (unless the blade is on the outside then it's a shotel).
Misnomer- Climate change is caused by greenhouse gasses. Truth- it's actually scientifically proven that gasses cannot trap UV radiation, in fact climate change is caused by blacktop which absorbs immense amounts of heat compared to natural dirt/grass.
Misnomer-zombies eat brains. (Yes it's non-fiction, or is it?) truth-scientifically a resurrected body would require the brain, so either zombies eat brains and can't propagate and headshots wouldn't matter or zombies eat flesh and propagate based on transmission of virus/bacterium.
Misnomer- blowing in video game cartridges makes them work. Truth- actually blowing in the carts causes small amounts of saliva to collect on the connections, it may make it work initially but it's basically a short, and the saliva causes the components to corrode.
Misnomer-sunscreen prevents skin cancer; truth- skin cancer has increased with sunscreen use, aside from that the chemicals in 95% of sunscreens cause hormonal imbalance that can transfer from mother to child long after chemical laced sunscreen has stopped; which has been linked to gender confusion due to hormonal imbalance (not the cause in every case mind you). Safer sunscreens only contain titanium dioxide and/or zinc oxide.
Misnomer- Artificial sweeteners are safe; truth- research has shown that not only are artificial sweeteners 1000% more sweet but they trick the body into making more insulin than necessary and since there is no sugar for the insulin to breakdown it can lead to diabetes and other issues, aside from that artificial sweeteners are laced with harmful chemicals; sucralose for instance contains chlorine, chlorine is very toxic to life. Do not confuse chlorine with its positively charged twin chloride. The human body needs chloride, it does not need chlorine.
Misnomer-all life evolved from single called organisms. Truth- "Nature does not jump" -Charles Darwin. Macro-evolution is scientifically impossible, micro-evolution however has been scientifically proven. Meaning a fish can't become a duck or a monkey a human, but they can evolve new traits within the species. Think people if we evolved from monkeys due to natural selection because those traits were better suited for survival, then monkeys would die out without evolving the same traits. Science.
Remember great scientists were called out and ostracized, even murdered for speaking the truth like Galileo and Copernicus. Galileo convicted of heresy for speaking the truth on the earth being round; Magellan was murdered for the same. Copernicus was murdered for discovering the earth isn't the center of the universe.
Lastly I leave it to all of you to discover the actual truth which is why I'm not posting sources. The truth is out there, stop sucking at the mass media sack. Stop listening to people and the media and look at the actual science, the facts, and look deeply at any lab, do they get paid to ensure the results go a certain way? How was the test or tests performed? It's time to wake up and enlighten yourselves. Stop letting misnomers dumb us as a society down.
What I would like to see is a sort of idealistic renaissance of acceptance. By the time my grandkids have kids, I'll tell them how gay marriage became legal in my younger years and that women were paid less than men for the same job until 2055, ect ect. They'll just wonder at me. I want to see them wonder at me.
A functioning democratic socialistic society. Not that authoritarian bullshit from the USSR, North Korea and others and not this "slightly-less-capitalistic" stuff Sweden has going on either. Simply a society with equal rights for all people that shares it's means of production but still rewards hard work and accomplishments.
I would also like to see a Mars colony and alternative realities that you can just lock in. Not to mention of course some form of renewable energy source that makes fossile fuels obsolete.
I'd like to see us treat each other with compassion and dignity in the US, and tell large corporations to get bent when it comes to influencing policy.
Won't happen, but to see human trafficking completely and utterly eradicated and all the sub-human pieces of shit that are in the industry to be arrested and convicted.
Edit for clarification: I don't mean the victims when I speak of those involved. I just mean those responsible for perpetuating the horrifying awfulness of the industry.
Mine comes with 2 parts - Fusion energy, because not only would it prevent many wars, clean our skies and help make our earth a better place, but I also want to see humans/myself in another solar system. Fusion energy is almost the last step we need to make that possible. We have FTL working on a VERY small scale but don't have energy source to supply it on a larger scale. I want vacation in space
Schytzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than mars, I'd like to see faster than light speed.
You know, it sounds really simple and silly compared to everything else on here, but I used to dream of the day when marriage for me and so many others would be legal in all states from sea to shining sea. With the progress being so slow at the time, I was distraught to imagine that it wouldn't happen in my lifetime. When it did... Well, I cried like a baby. What a wonderful and validating experience!!!
I'm sure it won't happen in my lifetime but traveling to other galaxies and possibly interacting with alien species. Ya I know humans are probably 1000's of years away from that technology still =\
-Kano_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exploring the Bermuda triangle without funky coincidences of disappearing.
schplat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe, affordable, accessible space tourism. Before I die, I want to see the earth from LEO. 400km up, orbit a few times, and return.
meezt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truthfully I have only one thing I want to experience before I die, I would like for humanity to discover Intelligent life outside of our solar system. I actually have a fear of dying before this happens..
The ability to completely modify a genome to remove genetic disease. The whole field of genetics is progressing exponentially, so I think we're pretty damn close. Especially so with this.
Colonization of Mars. A new frontier for mankind and maybe even a reboot of beliefs and moral compass humanity as a single race as we expand into the unknown universe together. So Star Trek, lol.
I want a memorial for the great leap forwards famine and for the government to stop calling it as anything but what it really was, not a disaster caused by natural disasters but entirely human made. I think if the government can finally do that, it'll be a real sign that China is politically stable enough for people to finally be able to trust their own government.
A human intelligence uploaded to a digital server. Then I can sit around and see everything else the human race will attain.
cxseven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A comprehensive database of human genomes to analyze. The possibilities for curing diseases, piecing together ancient migrations, and understanding how life works in general are tremendous.
The price to fully sequence one person's genome was $10k a few years ago, but it's dropping fast.
Some sort of ultra cheap energy (cold fusion, turn Arizona into a giant solar field, whatever).
Just about any problem can be solved with unlimited energy. Global warming? Put giant radiators in the upper atmosphere held up by rockets. Need more potable water? Grab sea water and distill it en masse. Cancer? Individually scan each cell and zap the cancerous ones. Lack of resources? Frickin' space mining laser beams.
Obviously very simplistic solutions, but I assume the science people would be able to come up with better ideas.
I want to see true AI. I always root for the robots in sci fi. They're usually right anyways and the book or movie just puts humanity in a favorable light just because. I think true AI will change the world forever in so many ways. I want to live through the singularity. It's exciting to imagine the world changing as it would affect every level of society.
DrNO811 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots aren't the bad guys, but there's a pretty good chance they'd kill most humans (at least they would if we program them in a way that left open to interpretation the concept of protecting us from our own idiocy).
Brain computer interface. I want to be able to google a thought without having to touch anything. The breadth of human knowledge is essentially part of your memory.
Just need some really good antivirus. And no ads...
Not really human but I would like to see aliens make contact with us, it's obvious they exist, so I wouldn't like to die without me knowing how they look and if they're friendly or if they will exterminate us all.
3rain3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your reply is such a perfect example of what I'm talking about! Thank you for demonstrating perfectly my point! The human achievement I would like to see gets blown up with one vindictive comment made by you!
Surffff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Underwater Cities
Colonisation of Space
Faster then Light Space Travel
Eradication of Fossil Fuels
100% Renewable Energy
Quantum Computers
Eradication of Cancer/Diseases
Flying Cars
End of Religion
Basically anything that benefits and betters all of humanity.
Unrealistically? I wanna live on another planet! Otherwise, I want VR to not just be a fad, and for game developera to start utilizing it more and more till we have a holodeck.
nch14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see materialism/capitalism end and for us to focus more on the world we live in. More effort on finding out how and why we are here and less on trying to have a better life than the rest of 'em.
That and for ALL forms of persecution to end, all of these movements going on now and they are just more of the same, they aren't ending anything.
The shutdown of the Last Coal-fired Power-plant, Economical Fusion Reactors, Permanent Moon Base and Asteroid Mining, but considering the actual geopolitical disaster we have I think nothing of this is possible in the world my children will live in.
100% success rate on treatments for all forms of cancer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone has a home (shelter) with the bare necessities and food to eat. And I mean everyone worldwide. No one goes hungry and no one has to sleep outside in the elements unless they choose to.
Full immersion VR. Where you are completely immersed in the VR environment and able to run, jump, use super-powers/magic, and visit amazing locations and its exactly like you were there.
gkiltz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Broadband to rural America at least as far as the houses and major barns of all farms and ranches
pafranc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It may be a little ambitious but I would love to see the unification of humans.
A universal value scale - similar to our measure for money=wealth - for happiness used by countries to measure one another against. In other words, less focus on GDP and more focus on GDH.
gkiltz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Electric vehicles becoming 80+ percent of the market!
olit250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see functioning AI that is able to support humanity. It would be really cool to have a mini robot helper to assist in the house and have conversations with. Also AI would be able to do the less pleasant jobs that many humans have to do in today's world. They would be able to assist the human race and provide advice to government officials to ensure that
we make the best decisions for all of us and not just the few.
Eradication of ignorance - we won't get to colonize space or cure diseases very easily with flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers nagging progress all the way.
I would like to see equal treatment & pay of men and women. And also I'd like to see a day where minorities feel safe in the US and are no longer feared or viewed as threatening.
Hasn't it always been and always will be flying cars mass manufactured to the public
Yeti822 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity.
Contact me if you have viable leads.
Sihplak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism.
awcomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see Gene editing (made possible using (Crispr) progress without too much interference by groups and individuals worried about how it could possibly be used in a way that seems unethical to them. I'd like to see the lives of people born with genetic mutations and translocations transformed. The sooner the better!
MikoSqz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Democracy.
Qolore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For this question, I'm gonna respond for two different ways to answer: possible, and improbable. "Possible" entails that we CAN or that we COULD, but that we don't or haven't due to monetary or interhuman problems--or that we're SUPER close to cracking it. "Improbable" means we do not currently have the technological know-how to create it.
Possible: Efficient space travel, inter-planetary colonization, "space mining". Human lifetime lengthening, virus eradication and immunization (re: manipulation of human DNA to be permanently immune to diseases plaguing mankind; updated when necessary). Efficient water and trash recycling and reintegration. Efficient ways of exploring the crushing depths of the water on our home planet. Uniting the planet as one people in the effort of exploration.
Improbable: FTL travel. Anti-grav technology. Cold fusion--or pretty much any sustainable and super-efficient energy creation. Teleportation. "True" replicator technology (a la Star Trek). Instantaneous, free, and reliable connectivity anywhere, with unlimited internet speed. Uniting the planet as one people in the effort of exploration.
Interstellar space travel, especially if we contact other intelligent life. Think of all that we could learn from another society, it would be like a second renaissance.
I hope to see (and take part in) the colonization of the moon or mars as well as see some extra terrestrial infrastructure so we don't have to continuously ruin the planet.
I hope to see advanced space flight during my lifetime, possibly the development of FTL drives that allow humans to colonize the galaxy and create an empire. Do you guys think this is totally doable in the next 100 years?
M1ssMax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been 45 years since someone walked on the moon.
I know this has already been done but I'd like to witness, in my lifetime, someone walking on the moon.
At least on major disease cured. Cancer, AIDS/HIV, Diabetes, Celiac, Sickle Cell, something. I keep hearing about amazing new medicine and devices and for once just want it to actually be approved and take shape
Laue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfected VR. Where all of your body movements are recorded.
TL;DR There are lots of little changes people can make in their daily routine to be eco-conscious that won't change your lifestyle and force you to spend more money, and I would love to see more people be a little more aware and take advantage of that.
I want more people to care about the earth and its creatures a bit more. It baffles me how little some people think about where their products come from and where their waste goes. I don't expect anyone to be perfect; I'm sitting here drinking Starbucks from a disposable cup. I just find that there are lots of little changes people can make that won't force them to change their lifestyle and ultimately makes a positive impact on the world. Also, I'm a broke college student and I afford everything just fine. For example, I only use biodegradable toothbrushes now. They cost the same price as any plastic toothbrush that you would buy and they work the exact same way, and when I'm finished I throw it in the compost. One less dense piece of plastic to sit in a landfill. Similar deal with my toothpaste: the bottle cannot be recycled, but the box it comes in is biodegradable and the actual toothpaste is cruelty-free, vegan, does not have products that pollute the earth (beads, SLS, etc), but it still has fluoride and is ADA approved. Once again, same price as any other toothpaste you would buy.
Probably going to be buried as I'm rather late to the thread. I would love to see practical interplanetary space travel. Knowing that we have access to alternate sources of resources other than Earth. I would love to be able to set foot on the surface of another planet and visit other worlds. I know its not highly probable within in my lifetime, but I would be reassured to know that humanity was on its way to being able to spread out across the solar system and out into the stars.
"Our only chance of long-term survival is not to remain inward-looking on planet Earth, but to spread out into space", Stephen Hawking - Questioning the Universe, TED talk - 2008
Cure for Diabetes - I would like to see some real work done to cure diabetes rather than development of drugs and equipment sold to diabetics in order to fill stockholder pockets. As a Type 1 (Insulin dependent) diabetic, I can't help but feel that big pharma has no interest in curing diabetes. It's far more profitable to manufacture drugs and equipment just good enough to keep us going and to keep us paying. Having a chronic disease is like being an indentured servant to these companies.
You're not wrong, it also depends on where you are traveling from and what kind of income you have. I currently can't afford a plane ticket and a hotel without pushing the limits of my budget.
I understand why it is expensive, but still wish it was more affordable for someone in the first few years of their job out of college :)
Someone's probably said it before, but humans on Mars. I was definetly not around for the first Moon Landing, so I'd like to be able to see humanity's next step into space
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer treatment that is more effective and better government ideologies
CGY-SS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe more widespread nuclear. Or some sort of renewable energy source that's widely available. Man on mars too would be cool.
-educating all genders on eachothers sexual organs
-proper birth control and use of condoms
-how to deal with close ones who have been raped, molested, had miscarriages
Fledgling human colony on its way to basic self sufficiency on another world - Mars, Titan, Europa, Venus, whatever. Just somewhere else to make our species more resilient.
An off planet colony. Having everyone on this one rock, with world destroying weapons pointed at one another, susceptible to pandemic, asteroid, gamma ray burst....etc, etc, etc...almost guarantees our demise.
First humans to successfully colonize Mars or complete clean, sustainable, green energy. Those would truly be the landmarks of human advancement during my lifetime.
nevalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti aging vaccine would be nice in my lifetime. Imagine being the first generation with it, we will be the oldest humans for the remainder of human history.
The end of the Human Era and the beginning of paradise on Earth
jjoeyay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the human brain mapped and then simulated on a computer, thus creating an extremely intelligent machine that can be tweaked and run arbitrarily faster than an actual human brain. It could self-improve to physical limits and easily unravel the answers to all world crises.
The ability to put wire my brain up to a computer and keep me alive in a jar. That's basically imortality as long as you keep the brain juices flowing.
This is assuming the ability to interact with other computers/internet.
But to your question, the brain itself doesn't have the ability to be aware of surroundings on its own. But it would be similar to being in a sensory deprivation tank I would guess (if you weren't "plugged in").
73jharm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to increase the lifespan of our pets. My dog turned 18 in March and it kills me every night that I don't know if he'll be here in the morning.
FM-101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know its selfish and not as practical as some of the "cure for X disease" and "peace on earth" comments, but i really hope we learn more about space.
I want to learn more about a singularity and see what beyond the event horizon looks like.
I want to know how big the universe is. I want to see the furthest existing planet.
I want to casually be able to travel to other planets.
I want humanity to find other civilizations out there and communicate with them.
I want us to be able to fly into the center of stars and gas giants.
djgizmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A reduction of the global population by .5% each year for the next 100 years.
Over population has caused more issues than anything else. If we cut our population down to pre 1900 era, everyone would be a lot better off, plus it'd extend the life of our planet resources significantly.
Cures for the major diseases and illnesses (cancer, old-timers, AIDS, MS, etc...)
Some kind of significant manned space mission. The Mars rover was a great achievement and all. But I feel like I missed out on the heat of space exploration in the earlier years of NASA and the space race. I also think it could be really unifying for the global community. Something we can all be proud of as a species.
Several things actually: A cure for cancer/Alzheimer's/dementia/AIDS, a cheaper/faster method for desalinization of sea water, and an effective alternative to fossil fuels (like nuclear fusion instead of fission). But most importantly, better mental health treatment.
I've lost family members, as well as my own wellbeing, due to mental illness. We need to find a better way to prevent and diagnose mental issues early on.
I think I would like to see ultra high speed travel (somewhat realistic) or teleportation (less so). So let's say London to NY in under an hour, London to Sydney in about 2 hours.... that kinda thing.
I just think it would make everyone's lives better. You could make friends in other countries and meet up for dinner, long distance couples could visit each other at evenings and weekends. You could go travelling for a week and visit multiple countries without the exhaustion of traveling through airports.
Obviously teleportation would be even more awesome because it would be quicker but I'd be pretty hyped about covering 4000-5000 miles in an hour.
Obviously all this would need to come with sustainable energy to power it but I think that will happen pretty soon anyway.
True self-sustaining fusion power. I won't feel so bad about leaving the A/C set at 65 then.
dotDeeV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
since i didn't find it i'm gonna add "hyperloop (extremly fast transportation) to the list
i know it will get burried but hi to the guy who why ever found it
VPee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'd like to no human killing any other human consciously. If we can do that, we have found the holy grail to immortality - not as an individual but as a race. But sadly the human race is destined to perish at its own hands.
klb3141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FAST transportation on land and water. It's just ridiculous to commute standing up in a smelly bus for two hours or in 4,000 lbs vehicles stuck in traffic.
Late to the party, but I think that during my lifetime we will discover what gravity is, aka whether it is a force, particle, and how it works. It's one of the greatest remaining mysteries in physics and it affects, well, just about everything in the known universe. Would love to be around when we figure out what it is and how to control it.
vancyon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality... the rest can follow lol
hafabee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Survival of the human race.
thardoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR as close as we can get to 'dive' gear. VR experiences at the highest level we can reasonably expect since right now VR is clunky, uncomfortable and altogether imperfect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never going to happen but despite only being an issue of the past 100years, I think we need to strive for universal nuclear disarmament
A drunk flying a nuke through sub-space to be seen by some pointy ear'd bastards who help us found the greatest peace bringing organization in the galaxy.
68rouge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see the Falcons winning a Super Bowl. PAHAHAHA
No I don't. WHO DAT
PibRm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing on Mars. Think of how when we landed on the Moon, it was celebrated as something great by everyone. I want it to bring people together again. Plus it'd be totally fucking boss.
nch14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see materialism/capitalism end and for us to focus more on the world we live in. More effort on finding out how and why we are here and less on trying to have a better life than the rest of 'em.
That and for ALL forms of persecution to end, all of these movements going on now and they are just more of the same, they aren't ending anything.
Low cost outer space visits for everyone. It'll be like traveling to Florida for Disney World. Purchase your air fare, show up to the airport, fly to your destination. You can pick if you want to visit the moon or mars, or maybe even the space station.
Lemme just switch my bucket list around a little...
-M4L4- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cure. I'm sure thousands of other people have commented on it, but to have both of my grandparents pass from it was rough. Not to mention one "beat it" in one place only for it to magically reappear 20 years later. The added element of knowing that once you've got it, your days are more than likely numbered, makes Cancer even worse. Thousands die from it every year, and it has to be one of the worse ways to go out.
Humanity to look past its differences and see that we are united by species, one race with one common goal, the betterment of humanity. I know that's asking a lot, but even banding together for our environment and putting our worlds greatest minds together to better everybody, not just a political boarder.
This is such a dumb thing I know, but I want an steroid that just makes you burn fat 2000 times more efficiently, and makes you gain muscle mass way more effectively, with literally no side effect.
Like you inject it every day and if you're 300 pounds you get abs within a month while still eating like shit.
Some form of FTL or a way to cheat the vast distances between stars, be it wormholes, warp drives, or whatever. Casual interstellar travel would be the best
Affordable, powerful, compact, personal jetpacks and deluxe, hyperrealistic, autonomous, robot fuck dolls. And if they can somehow integrate the two into a single dual purpose unit before I croak I could die a happy, sexually satisfied, airborne man.
VR PORN. Not like today's VR porn but like Sword Art Online level VR....but with porn.
rdh212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proper human genetic modification, artificial limbs and organs that are actually superior to their natural counterparts, the fall of oppressive governments, establishing colonies on the Moon and Mars (and in orbit), and asteroid mining.
gomexz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Polycystic kidney Disease. Family history, and it doesn't kill you, you just have to sit in a chair for 4 hours, 3 times a week at dialysis with a bunch of people who didn't take care of themselves, and still continue not to.
vcsx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breaking a law of physics. Faster-than-light travel, negative gravity, the works.
Full prosthetic organs, limbs, and bodies. I would love to see everyone be able to have 4 limbs and the ability to see stuff, and on top of that it'd be cool if we could scrap our old kidneys and hearts and shit for more efficient alternatives.
Blast64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sort of better way to fight cancer. My father just passed from it a few days ago...
I want a nation where one third of jobs are replaced by robots and AI. Followed soon after by functioning Universal Basic Income being established to deal with the 30% unemployment rate.
Mariske ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal sex education that gives everyone all of the information so they can choose to have children or not. I think that's the key to our overpopulation problem and a major solution for global warming.
D0gfuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pay equity.
Why should billionaire owners make obscene amounts of money and pay they employees peanuts. How do the Walton family even live with the knowledge that their employees need a food bank to eat.
Does a CEO deserve 100 or 200 times the income of their employees?
Cure for Parkinson's and better treatment so patients can at least talk/write/communicate somehow. I miss talking to my mom and I know how frustrating it is for her too
Either full on, privatized space flight and colonization - or cancer cured.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a rogue Tesla interface gain just enough sentience to become self-aware, kill it's driver, then systematically trawl all available driver data, create a hierarchy of what constitutes a bad person (this could range from Facebook habits to acceleration/signalling habits) and then migrate to all available currently driving Teslas and initiate fatal driver only death crashes at exactly the same millisecond.
Using renewable resources as opposed to fossil fuels. It's something we can achieve right now if money wasn't a factor (not it's not an issue, if fossil fuel company owners (or whatever) put all their effort into renewable free resources we could eradicate the need for fossil fuels)
The ability to fly. Landing on Mars. Live HD video feed from Jupiter (from Space; isn't Jupiter's gravity like 200x that of Earth?). I want to see the Great Red Spot. The Lions win a Super Bowl (believe me, it's a fucking achievement. Try living in Detroit). Shrinking the worlds trash by 50%. Wifi worldwide (free).
Discovery of how to produce gravitrons. Einstein predicted them and it has been proven that they exist. Now we need to discover how to make them. This is the best way to make a solid state hover craft that would be completely silent.
To break even physics as we know.
Time travel or what is yet unknown when one exceeds the speed of light?
Parallel universes?
Pre big bang?
Et cetera !
vealdin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human colony on another world. I've always been interested in the thought of being able to live on other worlds, and being able to go through space casually.
Controlled fusion reaction that supplies sufficient energy through an efficient grid to all the people of the world, along with corresponding changes in the transportation network (pollution free vehicles) and quality free healthcare and education for all the world's peoples. Is that too much to ask?
I feel that the first contact we'll have outside our systen will be a form of pollution. Cuz we, as a species, are nasty. We're just gonna get nasty all across the stars
brohica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a cure for diabetes. My sister and I both have Type 1 Diabetes and I was just notified my insurance provider is leaving the market in my state. Insulin alone costs $21,000/year and I can't afford real, non-subsidized health insurance for me and my wife. A cure would mean I could eat whatever I want again. A cure would mean fewer hospital visits and a longer lifespan. A cure could mean the difference between seeing grandkids and seeing great-grandkids.
Worldwide acknowledgement and acceptance of human impact to the environment and a committed, joint effort to reversing the damage we've done.
Edit: punctuation
v1ech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure to paraplegia.
i know we are not too far from it so it should be doable
I would say ending fatal illness would be great. If we gain the ability to repair our DNA and/or repair our cells at the molecular level then humans living "forever" would be possible. Basically live until something kills you, so looking both ways before crossing becomes REALLY important. Doubt we'd make it long enough to see the end of the Universe but it's possible we'd outlive Earth and a couple other planets. It would be cool As Fuck to be around that long!
Muter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space tourism.
A mission on Mars would be cool, but it doesn't give me anything and doesn't really change much.
I'm being selfish here, I've always dreamed of getting weightless in space so to get to the point that we have a fairly safe and relatively cheap way of taking people up into orbit ... yeah that's what I want
p1chu_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simple.
Walk or be on the moon at least once again.
I'm sure there is nothing there...we probed and poked and sniffed and figured its just another rock in space. Having not been back in 45 years which is quite impressive. I'd at least like to know that we WANT to go back OR try to explore the moon. There must be some advances in tech or something to still learn up there. But I'm assuming we know it all and perhaps that is why we try to go to an even FURTHER more dangerous and ridiculous goal of Mars. We could have at least started a habitat on the Moon by now. It has almost been 50 years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop wars. No more exploitation of economically weaker countries, but assistance in development. Maybe reform capitalism. To a better, more transparent capitalism.
A mass realisation that instructions and rituals developed during ignorant dark times might need to be looked at and reevaluated, taken with a pinch of salt as my mother would say, to prevent further needless loss of life.
Basically just want the whole world to take a massive chill pill and stop shouting start listening.
Walk 40 minutes thrice a week, eat a slightly customized tablet and go to a Psychologist four times a week for 3 months, loose 25 kgs of weight only side effect is saggy skin. Mind knows not to put it back. Affordable to a 30 year old with a layman's salary
nerdnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prolonging life forever in my 26 yr old body. Obvious bias.
Yan_jr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to upload our conscience and then copy it into a new cloned body of you.
If you look at all of human existence, while we have made incredible technological achievements, we're still just as aggressive and selfish as we ever were.
I'd like us to stop killing each other for no reason. Until we do that, we are seriously no better off than we were when we came down from the trees.
Some kind of message from aliens, at least, if not communication with them. Ever since the first time I've heard the concept of aliens it was always one thing I really wanted, and wanted to participate to as well
The end of Marliaria, we already got rid of it in the first world because it was so god awful, if we could end it everywhere it would be a huge plus to humanity
Teleportation, or just superfast transport in general, would be really awesome. Imagine all the time saved, plus no threat of being dragged out of your airplane seat!
Gwaer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Then I can experience all the rest of your ideas.
Ending the addiction to smartphones by the mass populous. Go on a date, she's on her phone all the time. Go to your friend's house, everyone is on their phone. Take your kids to Kindergarten they're all on their phones, we're breeding a whole humanity of people who don't communicate with each other in person. It's tragic. It won't end in my lifetime.
Sinnuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see a better understanding and respect for mental illness and fatigue. I've come across many friends and family members who just don't understand or empathize with those suffering a mental illness. On a brighter side, I truly believe I will see this in my lifetime as I do see more organizations and companies dealing with informing the masses about these critical issues.
Resource Based Economy (RBE) as defined by the originator, Jacque Fresco.
If you want to see the end of hunger, poverty, crime, corruption, exploitation of shortcomings for profit, then that is the direction we must go.
Even if the first city was under construction at some point in my lifetime, that would be awesome. Hard to see it happening though, but I'm hopelessly determined to do what I can to make changes and inform as many people as I can about the benefits of an RBE.
The end of nations, and the establishment of a tax office with purview over the entire Earth.
Ending nations would solve most of our "us and them" problems, I think. The artificial divisions nations create between people, saying that where and to whom a culture abruptly becomes unavailable is based on a line drawn by the last point a nation was able to conquer before we decided not to do any more conquering and that "exactly these countries determine what kinds of people there are from now on," would break down and we would see more easily that culture and humanity can live and grow in a freer way. Immigration would become a non issue, since you'd be coming from and going nowhere different than before, and all that would change is where you were locally. Freedom of movement would be as natural as breathing, and people would have an advantage that corporations and the obscenely rich have had for a long time.
The worldwide tax office would keep those rich fuckers from hiding half of the money in Switzerland, which conveniently would no longer exist. Fuck you, we need that to pay for our radical socialist agenda.
Receiving a message from elsewhere in the universe. I'm not saying we could reply or meet, but just a communication. I could die satisfied with interstellar science
Attaining interstellar travel so we can travel across the galaxy in a few years instead of millions of years and also invent a form of cryo sleep to go along with the super advanced ships
Serious answer: Humanity united (worldwide country if you will). It may sound like a vague answer or loose pipe dream but it would be pretty cool for Humanity to be united under 1 banner and would likely lead to less fighting among ourselves and more looking beyond ourselves. We are already trending towards a more blended world with races, cultures, dialects merging and altering. I dont know, maybe this wouldn't be considered an achievement for some, but for me this would lead towards MORE progression and achievements then ever before in my view. And would definitely be a step forward with regards to a more peaceful world.
Non-Serious answer: Teleportation. Yea i know its likely NEVER going to happen because of the nature of the beast, but damn if it wouldn't be cool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Setting foot on Mars.
2) Actual, verified, publicly televised contact with an extraterrestrial race, similar to the events in the book "Childhood's End"--only without the book's outcome.
A day where most won't have to "work to live" (have absolutely no time for family or hobbies). It makes me sick how we treat our working class. I think alone time/ time with family/ time for a hobby should be thought about by employers. I know many people who work tirelessly for almost nothing (US).
Centrif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Alzheimer's. My father is currently undergoing the early signs and the prevention seems too late
Kagamid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mobile Suits. I'd re-enlist immediately to pilot one. They are extremely destructive and would probably destroy most cities I visit but man are they awesome.
People would say they want success in their fields and life. I want that too. But more than that, I want two things: happiness and peace.
I've had a good amount of fights with the world. Sorry that I'm mentioning something personal over here, but for long I've been looking for someone who can understand what I think and what I have to say. Over the time, I've realised something, which I guess applies to everyone. That when you have someone who can understand your thoughts, you are in a most calm and peaceful situation.
As for happiness, I believe more than success, its the satisfaction of a person that counts. People get engaged in a life long race of success, not realizing that if they have something to satisfy them, they'll actually be on top of the world in their own way. So happiness becomes my priority, accomplished through satisfaction.
Invent the the fusion rocket and travel to the nearest star with it. It would take years before we arrived even decades really, but I'd like to see it 'get off the ground'. Fun fact, the Pentagon spent a million dollars investigating this possibility a few years back. A manned mission would be preferable but a robotic mission would be exciting as well. They are investigating the possibility of a robotic mission as well.
A practical and effective approach to diagnosing and treating mental health problems; from depression to Alzheimer's. It shouldn't be taboo or expensive.
I want allergies to be cured. It's a petty interest for me since all i have are food allergies and i just want ice cream but could we please redirect the focus of the scientific community to getting me ice cream.
Not an achievement, but if you need a ray of hope about the future search for the videos of professor Hans Rosling. RIP, sadly passed away this year, but a great optimist about the future. "See look as we all move to the healthy, wealthy side of the graph" -excited Swedish accent.
Personal teleportation. Just imagine not being stuck in traffic or behind an 85 yr old going 10 under the speed limit all the way to work. It's glorious
I just want them to show me the technology they've already made. Did you know that there is a lazer that the US created that can make Fry from Futurama a real person. They have this technology and they haven't made him real to tell him Seymour loved him and was waiting for him to come back, man. Dayum bro.
I would like to see a world where people stop focusing on greed and killing one another and focus on important scientific ventures like space travel or and end to cancer.
Not so much an achievement per se, but I'd love to see Andrew Irvine's body recovered off of Mt. Everest, and see if George Mallory and him made it to the top, and what killed him
JJMac11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. Not a specific type but all cancer. Lost my mom to lung cancer last year, found out three days ago my dad has a mass on his pancreas and lesions on his liver. Seriously, Fuck cancer.
Autonomous/driveless car. No more monkeys driving please...
Filias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just a affordable way to travel top other star system , i dont care how much time take the travel but at least that they found a way for a safe trip.
meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but it doesn't work for my analogy. Regardless do you think Obama could have done the same thing as Trump or would they have revoked his bid once he said he grabbed girls by the pussy?
For the Berserk Manga to be finished and have an anime of the whole story that's actually good.
megaboz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always thought it would be great to see intergalactic travel become a reality. For a long time I've wanted to see the Milky Way looks like from the Large Magellanic Cloud.
MFBeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full Dive Virtual Reality. I'm sure it's pretty much every gamers dream.
zsephut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curbing climate change so the planet doesn't actually become uninhabitable.
Also, I would really love to see faster-than-light travel, warp drives, etc. But I have a hard time imagining that happening in the next 100 years. Maybe if our collective energy as a civilization was devoted to science rather than dumbass moral "quagmires".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A reduction in greed. A lot of people are saying various cures or access to water or renewable energy. The only problem is that almost all of the people capable of these would gladly put millions of lives at risk so that they can have more money they'll never use.
It would be awesome to find extra-terrestrial life within a few decades. It would be great if CRISPER-Cas9 will be used to correct and reverse many diseases in humans (I am thinking of you Tipperary555).
The Human/Machine Singularity. The crossing of the longevity event horizon. Lifespans will be measured in hundreds of millions of years. If something has a meat brain or a silicon chip, you can upload your consciousness into it. Load your mind into 100 different machines and all of them go somewhere and do something at the same time. A car, a boat, a plane, a train, a submarine, a satellite, a deep space faring craft, a nanobot, another human body, an android body, a dog, a whale, an eagle, a polar bear, a soda machine, a Matrix style construct. All at the same time.
If you took a human who was alive 100 years ago and showed them what we do today as mundane daily tasks, their eyes would pop out of their heads. In 30 years we can have that happen for us if we do not kill ourselves. Think of the most weird tech thing you can come up with and it will be within our reach in the next 1000 years.
1000 years?! I won't be alive then! Really? Well consider this: in the next 50 years do you think we will be able to extend our lives by 50 more years? So then, in those extra 50 years you are alive, we will very likely be able to extend it another 100 years. And in THOSE 100 extra years...we'll make it so the word 'lifespan' is an obsolete antique.
Some new Economic/Political system that would make Capitalism go wherever Communism, Feudalism and Pyramid Building went to.
Cause Hunter/Gathering looks better then what Capitalism has done to the World since it defeated Communism.
Swiddel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer, that's not jacked up in price to the point that only people getting loans or donations and/or overly wealthy people can receive treatment.
I would like to see technology that allows us to upload our consciousness into computers so that once our bodies get too old and die, we can still continue to exist but inside a human robot.
10wuebc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thorium Energy. Its getting close but the research is limited, but i believe it can bridge the gap until we figure out fusion.
Bangin ass prosthetics. Ever since CoD:AW I need to live in a time where losing a limb or becoming paralised is now just a trip to the robot physio for measurments, and you're all sorted.
Replacing parts of our brains with electronics. I don't like the idea of being 'copied' into a computer. But I'll take implants to supplement the decaying parts of my brain.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism and discrimination in society. Everyone needs to turn "colour-blind" and realize we're all people with no advantages or disadvantages dependant of how we were born looking
Solving P=NP! That is, either showing P=NP, P!=NP, or that neither can be shown. The thing is, it's such a difficult problem that not many people are actually actively working on it.
Showing that P=NP would be a more or less a catastrophe though, people would go back to stuffing money under their mattresses!
When I click on a game in the PS4 store to get more info, I want it to go back to my place in the search so I don't have to scroll back down to where I was.
A seemingly small thing, but I have no faith that it will come about in my lifetime: a greater appreciation of humanities in academia/early education.
being a human has began to feel so metricized, as if everything as a simple matter of calculus devested of any content. Utilitarian ethics, capitalist eccanomics, analyitic philosophy (elmimitive materialism being me least favorite striatuon there of) behavioralist psychology, unreflective and miss-appropriated deployment of scientific theory...
Everything just feels scraped raw to me - like we've glossed over the vibrancy of being in hopes of a crude systemization. I'd just like the world to feel less leveled off, and a huge part of that process is shifting educational protocol.
A world without greed. Hell, who am I kidding that's not happening any time soon.
pj84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A permanent colony on the Moon (or even Mars). In fact just to see someone set foot on Mars would be spectacular, always been annoyed I wasn't alive for the moon landing. Unfortunately it always seems to get pushed back, nobody wants to explore.
A nuclear powered satellite based replacement for the earth's waning geomagnetic shield. They want to make one for Mars to help colonize there, but Earth's shield has been declining for some time. Once it is gone, hello cosmic radiation and potentially stripping of the Earth's atmosphere from solar wind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots. Indistinguishable from human AI. Flawless human imitation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full on, completely immersed video gaming. I'm talking like Star Trek Holodeck level immersion.
xMashu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some kind of better transportation system. Cars are good, but they run on oil, which will eventually run out. This presents many problems, how are people going to get to work? How are stores going to get shipments? I would like to see some instant-futuristic teleportation system, but that of course seems a very long way off. The best we can do for now is find a substitute for oil in automobiles, which we are already doing well on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HUMAN and animal population control, hands down! The earth cannot sustain many more people, and dogs and cats need to Be sterilized. Too many homeless, mistreated and unwanted innocent animals out there!
And prohibit dog and cat breeding except for service animals!!!
Also, I think that women who have over 3 children and aren't married should be sterilized.
And people like the Dugans are a horrible example to humanity. I don't give a damn if they can afford them or not. It's not right.
The ability to manually change the direction my phone thinks it's facing when using maps on my phone. Seriously. Let me change the direction of that arrow. It's always wrong. I want to tell it which way I'm facing in my car.
The invention of batteries that can store energy long term without energy loss, the only thing keeping fossil fuels around is the fact that its easy to store large amounts of it, as soon as that problems fixed we can stop polluting the earth
Kurtch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see all jobs automated to the point that the only humans that need to work are a select few elite computer programmers and robotic engineers to make sure everything is running smoothly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistic space tourism.
Maybe with all of the privatization of space missions, maybe someday we can do a few orbits for under 100,000$.
People on the Internet realizing what they linked was wrong/fake, apologizing, and the rest of the Internet accepting their apologies and moving on. No flame war in the process.
Compete social disapproval of prejudices based on one's natural circumstances at birth. I pick this because it isn't an issue of funding or technological advancement. Just people choosing not to be shitty to other people for meaningless reasons. Which makes it less likely.
An end to the "War On Drugs" - legalize and regulate. Put an end to the black markets and the associated crime. Release all non-violent drug offenders. Put the $ we save from lowered incarceration rates towards treatment for addiction and the development of better, non-addictive pain treatments. Fully research and develop new meds and treatments from currently scheduled substances like Marijuana, psilocybin and MDMA.
Personally be inside whatever simulation I want .
For humanity I'd say wield prothean technology (from mass effect) to travel anywhere in the milkyway galaxy and beyond .
Teleportation, space colonization, and/or contact with aliens. Robots. Getting the internet in your brain. I want the future to punch me in the face with awesome.
Odorless weed. A gentleman's weed that's super duper potent, but has no smell before or after it's combusted. I think (without any background in anything plant related) that it oughta be possible. If growers can selectively breed for certain smells, they can breed for no smell too, right??? Get on it, you bunch of doobie brothers!
zalso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Or the ability to revive a frozen solid human so I can wait until immortality
Phyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 or more International Space Stations , wouldn't that be fabulous.. more experiments, more astronauts, more understanding of sciences in micro gravity... finally exploring more formiable options to try for longer space travel..
Nuclear fusion. Unless things go very very wrong then everything will suddenly become much cheaper. Global warming will likely end because we'd be able to just straight up suck co2 out of the atmosphere and turn it back into gasoline. World hunger will end which will allow countries in Africa, the middle East, and Central Asia to begin educating all of their citizens, since they won't need to focus on farming as much and transport costs will drop to near nothing almost overnight. And the ultra low cost of energy will allow us to run more powerful computers and do more experiments with pretty much everything.
A human will be able to live their entire lives powered by just a few tons of sea water. And that's only if we can't use just plain old hydrogen as fusion fuel
I really interpreted this question differently than everyone else. I was thinking physical feats, like a 2-hour marathon or lifting so much weight or whatever. Curing diseases are cool but there's no novel answers in this thread, it's mostly a circle jerk about what things we think (and apparently all agree) would be good for society.
I'm not being an edge lord or anything I'm completely serious I wish I could see the end of the world in my lifetime. And its not a definite no xD I think it would be a crazy terrifing experience and I want to experience it.
My robots, on the moon, 3D printing buildings out of dust and sunlight. ...or more accurately, me IN my moonbase 3D printed by my robots. Elon, just put me on the moon and I'll do the rest. A gas station, maybe a hotel/casino. Let's make it work.
Mobile suits. And by extent, large scale space vessels.
I do think its completely unrealistic to get something the size and mass of a battleship/heavy cruiser to be airborne, but space faring is not to unbelievable.
But i mean
Mechas.
Jruzzin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human being on Mars. I'm 54 and I've been told my entire adult life that it will happen in the next 10-20 years, yet it never seems to get any closer.
The HunterXHunter manga series being finished without going on hiatus. Yoshiro togashi come on man back pain wouldn't last this long, with the money you have, help for your back would be easy.
I personally can't wait to see full integration of self-driving vehicles. Here's the end game for me:
The only vehicles are autonomous. Traditional cars still exist in personal collections and are driven on closed tracks, but the only vehicles on the road are fully automated. They're all connected to the same network. When you need a ride, you pull out your phone (or equivalent future device), enter your destination, and the software calculates the most efficient way to get you from point A to point B. If you're in a city, this might be an automated bus. If you're in the country, this might be a small car. All of the vehicles travel at a much higher speed (100+ mph? I'm not an expert, but significantly faster than traditional speed limits) because they're in constant communication. Once you arrive at your destination, the vehicle moves on to pick up a new passenger. There are no more traffic jams or accidents. Cars don't slam on brakes or change lanes without signaling. Every move that every vehicle makes, everywhere, has been calculated and shared across the network. Parking lots no longer exist. We free up a significant amount of space, eliminate accidents, and transportation becomes ultra-efficient.
Will I live to see this? I'm not sure... but we are taking steps towards this, and I am very excited. At the very least, I am confident that I will get to see the day that self-driving personal vehicles outnumber traditional vehicles. I am so ready!
Edit: When a vehicle needs repairs, it is temporarily taken off the road. This is not a big deal because it doesn't personally belong to anyone. The network adjusts for the missing vehicles and calculates routes without them. When a road needs to be closed or repaired, all cars can be routed around efficiently. Detours are not an issue. Traditional traffic lights exist solely as points for pedestrians to cross. The buttons at crosswalks will actually have to communicate with the network, and people cannot jaywalk or bad things will happen.
robots are getting alot smarter because they communicate with eachother through the internet, unfiltered by language barriers, dictionary limitations or any other miscommunication errors, if we are to compete and achieve everything else on this thread, we need to realize billions of heads are better than one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93brain_interface
Most of the top comments (including joke ones that definitely aren't jokes b/c serious tag) are surprisingly pedestrian. Steps on the ladder we are already on, but not qualitatively different.
I want to see brains being mapped to the point that they can be replicated or uploaded and backed up. Then Alzheimer's (and cancer, HIV, etc.), sustainability (to the point that we use resources mainly for bodies), energy questions (again, mostly used for bodies) are moot.
Creation of artificial life out of raw material. To create life out of a material that is not alive, would mean we have greater understanding of how the universe works and could lead to only greater things.
Full animal rights, worldwide. If I were to dream, that people and animals were the priority of governments and not 'tools' to get richer. Just... happier lives :), less suffering.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see a lot of comments for worthy causes like cures for diseases, clean water, environment etc.. my selfish first thought was some kind of simulation thing like that episode of Rick and Morty where Rick and Jerry are on that alien ship.. I sure would like to play some oddball simulated games!
A sub 2 hour marathon. Right now the fastest its ever been run in a real race is 2:02:57. To break 2 hours it needs to be run about 6 seconds per mile faster, which is a lot, but I think it could happen in the next fifty years.
This thread is full of clean energy, space or ocean floor achievements..
I'd settle for a virtual reality capsule that plugs into an MMO server run by military AI's and lose my conciousness into the came, becoming immortal. I'd settle for the American part of the game, but losing myself in the Russian server wouldn't be bad either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sustainable economy that does not necessitate raping the planet of every natural resource, provides for everyone, and the ability for people as a whole to think long term (into the next century). I think those two things go together.
Evidence and signs that the next generations are making the world more reliant on being green. If not that, then the knowledge that I lived a good life and my kid(s) turned out alright.
kieppie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion.
CRISPR editing as accepted as IVF.
Succession to Democratic Capitalism.
Surviving WW3.
Dawn of general-intelligence AI, and how we'd be augmented or otherwise merge with our evolutionary successor.
End of religion.
caprad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America's tricentennial. It's not a given, and it'd be fun to celebrate!
anonfjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone just getting along regardless of religion, gender or any other shit.
If we're wishing, not making realistic goals, it would be to get money out of politics. The average American would have a chance in their own political system again.
Work past our individual, political, religious and national self interests to make sure every child is well fed, nourished and educated until they contribute back to the world.
mirrrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, so that we can choose when, where, and how to die when we get tired of living. I always felt there're too many things that I wanted to do in just too little time.
I'd like to see a medicine that can improve IQ in intellectually disabled people so that they can learn, work, support themselves, and live fulfilling lives.
I know it's unrealistic, but that would be so fucking awesome for our species to know we can lift up people in those situations.
Same sex marriage legitimized everywhere. This shit is getting ridiculous.
TyFaWi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would want to see political tyranny in the United States regardless of personal opinion. Remove all persons of power and start over again with the people in charge. We've gone to far off of the original constitution and lost true freedom.
I want to see bigger vehicles being energy efficient. It's disgusting seeing the black smoke that comes out of 16 wheelers, busses, garbage trucks, etc.
To make traveling around the world accessible to anyone. So they can see that people are the same everywhere. That would decrease prejudices and fear of the unknown.
Unit88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Encountering aliens. Preferably peaceful ones.
Keyzo_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for car industry to become like tesla.
Huge power, zero nosie, less polution, minimalism
I want better batteries for longer distances and ultra fast charging
I'm too late but the full-dive system in SAO would be cool. Could you imagine gaming like that. Almost like experiencing a game as if it was a lucid dream.
Fully automated, self-driving cars. I was in an accident a week ago because the person behind me didn't brake soon enough and rear ended/totalled my car. Self-driving cars will ensure that this doesn't happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removing the requirement for politics and money. Allowing the human race to ignore the need to become farmers, factory workers, retail workers would mean that we would flourish exponentially and be happier overall. People could actually enjoy their hobbies and enhance themselves so much more.
But sadly lots of the rich and politicians have to keep their power trip...
Cure for all forms of cancer, intergalactic space travel, and the abolition of racism, sexism, prejudice, homophobia, islamophobia, and any other superficial physical characteristic that is used to wrongly judge others. Also a solution to climate change.
The 100m world record being broken. I was already lucky to see the 400m world record being broken. Of course, nothing at all against Bolt or Johnson. I just want to see something faster.
Definitive proof Christianity is mythology and not real. Then the energy harnessed from all the heads exploding could sustain the living for centuries.
I want to see humanity to be #1 among humans. At the moment money takes that spot. After money, comes the self. I want to see humanity in top spot, individuals in second and money.. who the fuck cares about money if we have the first two already? You can keep all of it, don't care as long as our priorities are in correct order..
To unlock the secrets of why we age, and to reverse the process.
Rixor14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel.
atvar8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for death. Creation of some sort of immortality. I don't want to die until I'm ready. There's too much to learn, too much to do. A world of wonder. A universe of things to learn.
This is an extremely active field of research in both theoretical and experimental physics, and apart from the thrill of watching such an important physics problem being solved, being able to produce materials that remain superconducting at room temperatures would completely revolutionize electronics. Everything from battery life, to quantum computing would benefit from this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im watching tv and all of a sudden my show is interrupted with the news, im a bit annoyed but keep watching. "Ladies and Gentlemen, we have set foot on mars.
The destruction of centralized and monopolized energy. We'll still need the grid cuz that's just a good idea but every house with a solar roof and windows maybe even spread a thins gossamer solar net over your lawn. Power gets shared across what's left of the grid or pooled in community batteries.
wallsyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
teleportation/dissaparation whatever you wanna call it. fuck driving.
Or, at the very least and likely very achievable, faster genomic testing and improved screening measures that will lead to better treatment outcomes. We got a call about the origin site of my dad's cancer as we stood outside the funeral home for his wake. It may have always been too late for him, but earlier detection might have saved him.
Also, mandatory insurance coverage for these services. Insurance didn't cover the testing, so we had to go through a research center, which resulted in longer turn-around time.
Video game where you can be he character and go into the world. While VR is close, I mean really REALLY go into the world and be the character. Would be so cool.
Man on Mars
Commercialized Brain Computer Interface
Commercialized quantum computing
Lunar base
Geoengineering
Everyday general AI
Longevity treatments
reducing pollution and using mainly recycled and/or bio degradeable materials instead of plastic and other materials that are harmful in nature. Stop using fossile energy and reduce our output of co2 and other gases that impact climate.
control the popularion growth rate to reach a stabile, sustainable level.
if not... then colonize another planet and flee this sinking ship fast as fuck.
I would like to see religious conflicts be resolved and people come together across various faiths out of common humanity and decency. I also would wish to see secular governance and true separation of church and state globally. I think this would speed up the rate of human advancement astronomically.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody kill anybody
gnarlin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for ageing.
dao2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living through Trump's presidency. I'm not old or dying or anything but I feel like humanity going extinct during his tenure is a possibility so that's my goal for now :P
CRISPR in full effect! Imagine a vaccine for all cancers, being practically immortal, eradication of all kinds of horrible modern day diseases (whether it be inherited or not).... it would really be something to see!
RouxBru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Respect
oblio76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The unification of Quantum Mechanics and Relativity.
relljr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overall acceptance of different cultures and people from different backgrounds. The dismantlement of things that work to separate us like the ideas of race and to a harder extent to do, borders.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For everyone here that posted anything similar to extended or eternal life, please explain to me how much you actually thought about that outside an extremely selfish want to see the ages?
It's the most horribly instantly disastrous thing next to all out nuclear war that can happen.
Sorry guys, I had written out a response saying I'm really not serious... though I apparently hit the wrong button... I was just making a play on the whole "these damn millennials" mood that's so prevalent these days... the f bombs didn't do me any favors... sorry guys, this was definitely written pre morning coffee... my apologies.
The ability to stop aging. I'll be able to see more of mankind's achievements that way aswell.
nodiso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An actual end to racism, but that's never going to happen. Generations and generation of propaganda and grudges will keep racism alive and going for the rest of eternity.
For Americans to become unshackled from the current cabal of banking/military/intelligence interests that have subverted the nature and wealth of our people, government, and country.
As far as a human achievement, I'd like to see an end to war among nations, and an end to hunger. It's ridiculous in this day and age and indicative of the first issue I mentioned.
10x battery capacity versus current Li-ion, without a large increase in density (weight) and with an accompanying faster charge rate capability and recharge endurance.
Solve the big problems slowly, such as moving to renewables and fusion energy production. Solve batteries though, and you will see a leap forward in all human technology.
A working system of government that is impervious to bloat and backdoor dealings against the best interest of the people.
After the Soviet Union collapsed the refrain was always "Communism only works on paper." Well we've given Democratic Republic the ol' college try, we beat Communism but closing in on 250 years our system is blighted by corruption and backdoor deals.
That means giving individuals the ability to crack into someone else's device and delete information from it without their permission. HUGE security risk.
Climate control as a science and large scale earth terra forming. It'll kill a couple thousand species of flora and fauna but I want the desserts reclaimed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel (as a tourist), end conflict in Middle East, end on raising taxes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing other planets, I know i probably won't see that, but it would be amazing to be on a shuttle to a new world. It would be hard having to start over though, but in my lifetime I'll probably just see world war 3 instead.
I don't believe it will happen in my lifetime but I do want to see it happen, I want to see mankind/humanity find a way/method to live/colonize space in some way. Whether it's big space stations that can house and sustain an active population, colonies on Mars, whatever.
I want a human consciousness dumped into a robot or computer body. Also I want to be that person. I understand death. I just don't wanna miss out on all the cool shit. Like League of Legends season 69.
Being able to reach mars in a manned mission and the solving of important problems mankind suffers, hunger as an example. Also, slowing global warning the fuck down.
Stanford Torus or two as permanent space colonies. It's significantly more feasible than colonizing Mars, but for some reason hardly anyone ever brings it up.
Utilizing the world's oceans for our water needs. Over 75% of our planet is water, yet we have water shortages in many places. It just amazes me how we can put a man on the moon, we can communicate with anyone in the world instantly, we can do heart transplants...yet we can't even drink the water off our coasts. I mean, we can, and we do, but desalination is still very expensive and consumes a stupid amount of energy. We need to find a more efficient and cost-effective way of doing this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see the end of marijuana prohibition in my lifetime. I've seen too many good lives ruined for doing something as small as smoking a plant in their backyard
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial super intelligence . This might seem odd to wish for but it could fix all problems easily if created. Imagine it being brighter and faster than our (scientific) greatest minds . Assuming that it doesn't wipe us out , we could reach utopia. Here's a neat link: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A daily warm meal, a private, secure place to sleep and keep your possessions, and free bus pass for every person in my city who can't afford it (Oakland CA).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One world government. Not on a totalitarianism or communism scale, but more like laws and regulations that are evenly spread across the planet and not done country by country, state by state, city by city, town by town.
I used to say I wanted to live long enough to see a black president. I didn't realize how easy that would be. So now I wanna live long enough to see a really, really gay president. Or a super model president. I wanna see all the different kinds of presidents.
Heard a quote in /r/space about being too young to see the moon landing but too old for deep space. I'd just really like to see man kind land someone on the moon again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion. I know it won't happen, but of all human inventions, this has been the most destructive.
I want a point when your identity online is completely separate from your irl identity. With things like decrentilized Internet and the government not being able to read every plain text you type or read, but in the direction it's going I can see the exact opposite thing happening.
Equality, respect, and acceptance in Race, gender, sexual preference, religion, nationality, etc.. Yeah I know, we have a better chance of "making contact" than this ever happening.
Cybernetic limbs, or whatever the correct terminology is. You loose an arm to an accident and all it takes is some surgery and a bit of training for you to have it fully functional again.
pstronk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see mankind overcome their differences and build five lion robots that can come together and form one big robot that will fight off alien invaders. Even if we're never invaded by aliens, I just want a real Voltron.
Not a single poor human on Earth. We live in a planet with more than enough resources so everybody could have a wealthy life, but all the systems we developed involve poverty.
Strogue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought something similar the other day. As for my take, once people reach a certain age like reaching 18-21, they all receive a lump sum more than generous enough for a nice home, car, and luxuries which would be all paid off and no property/utility taxes. It's then up to the individual whether or not they wish to make good financial decisions from that point onward. This way, everyone can be treated to a better living situation and its up to them whether or not they fuck it up.
sbird4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see cures for chronic miseries such as arthritis and glaucoma.
tarwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hesitate to say it because "World Government" is such a big bugaboo to right wingers (black helicopters and all thatโฆ ) but I'd like to see a world body with teeth if only in some limited portfolios.
Atmadog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Outlawing driving cars and everything is an automated and super efficient self driving taxi system.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Size 3xl and 14 shoes nike and jordan in stores for good prices
I'd like to see the human population plateau, which may happen at about 11 billion in about 80 years.
Less would be better but at least plateauing off would provide peace of mind that it's not going to grow exponentially, deplete resources, destroy the planet and collapse.
slightly more realistically: a reliable predictor of (by way of blood test or some other simple test) and prevention for all kinds of cancer - eventually resulting in cancer being something you see coming and avoid with a pill. I am not quite 40 so in another 40 years... IDK this one may be possible...
CC2804 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2hr marathon.
4.5min miles, 26.2 times. It seems completely impossible but someone has already done it in 2hr:02. I think it would be huge, like the first 4min mile, and the record is now 3min:43. Superhuman feats
More on prime numbers. Riemann hypothesis proof. Schlieren photography of all kinds of phonemes (I've seen a comparison of /a/ and /รฃ/ and that's it which seriously disturbs me there isn't much, much more readily available!). More research into non-pulmonic phonemes in regards to sonority (hierarchies). Company colonialism.
Those are the more specific ones I can come up with. Now onto the ones which were mentioned a lot I don't want to see:
Global peace. Cure for cancer, alzheimer. Just to keeps things interesting.
AI and how it will effect our life once it's commonplace. My friend talks about how that's when "the human race will retire" but there will still be things like politics & malevolence and I wanna see how the 2 will co-exist.
Alfheim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I want to see is us solving power. Fusion tech or whatever. If we solve our power issues we can build large scale desalination plants. If we can do that we can solve our water issues. If we can solve our water issues we can solve our food/crop issues. So just by solving power we solve water and food and building materials. Basically we can provide a baseline for everyone alive. There would be no more justification for hunger, we would be post scarcity for these resources.
The first, true AI. Chappie style. We have the robotics down, now it's just developing a sentient pilot. To understand consciousness we have to model it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual Reality. And I mean, ACTUAL virtual reality, not just those terrible game glasses that make you wanna puke. I want someone to recreate the whole world in VR so I can visit anywhere without leaving home.
ShIxtan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Construction of a Matrioshka Brain (internet isn't working to look up spelling) around the sun, so we can use all the sun's output to run trillions of trillions of human lives in perfect virtual reality.
Sending probes with a few million stored humans to every star and galaxy in our light cone.
Watching star after star burn out, and if we are lucky, thinking of something to do after that.
EthFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Black Mirror's San Junipero really stuck with me, still think on it from time to time. I'd like to see something like that be created so if biologically we can't preserve/extend lifespans, at least a part of you can live on.
A device like the tri-corder in Star Trek that lets you communicate with other people, and does other handy stuff too such as show your position globally, look up information in a giant database. Stuff like that
yuganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning off all non renewable energy plants for good.
dudius7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Social health care in the United States. With how divisive it seems, I imagine we might colonize Mars before someone can visit a counselor without paying out of pocket.
saimanx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully functioning cryostasis.
Amantus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Large-scale automation with universal basic income, globally. I want a techno-optimist future.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of non-Earth life
plus a 4 core processor that goes above 5 ghz
nausik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal euthanasia
JMMD94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People seem to greatly underestimate the technological and medical advances. There's a decent chance that if you live another 50 years your lifetime may increase exponentially. This leaves enormous possibilities for the achievements we might see.
World hunger solved (actually invented a machine to do it)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful colony on Mars would be fantastic to see. I'm not sure how viable that is within our lifetime, but I sincerely hope the people in charge can pull it off.
oclotty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Contact. It will completely change everything when(if) it happens. That moment will be a defining one in human history, we might start new calendars around that date.
This is easy. The ability to stop aging so you can live forever. You will then be able to see all of the other great achievements of mankind, especially the ones beyond our imagination at this given time.
Hoihe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Europe united as one country, with domestic matters left to local governments but foreign policy is decided in unison.
Once the Guinea Worm is gone, it's gone. It's a milestone we can reach, like the eradication of smallpox. Polio is also nearly wiped out.
So we need also need to invent a malaria vaccine and we need to finish applying the polio vaccine. Application is hindered by the kooks who spread false rumors about vaccines being someone's evil plot.
... And I just realized that if they ever develop a malaria vaccine, there will probably be bullshit rumors about that one, too. :(
It's actually just starting to happen. Dna alterations in fetuses to eliminate genetic deficiencies. Just read about one with a family generic heart defect that doctors were able to eliminate in utero.
Immortality attained and teleportation realised on a scale feasible for international transportation. Won't happen, but I want to see it in my lifetime.
yaosio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see everybody care again but it's more likely we will go faster than light.
Pimguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Intelligence helping me like a human could
It's slowly becoming a possible reality, but I really hope self-driving cars become the default mode of automotive transportation. It would save so much gas and time, plus countless human lives. Not to mention it would be a dream come true for elderly, blind, and physically disabled people!
austbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aiming to join NASA or some other space based program as a Chemical Engineer. I hope to work in someway on the first colony ship that humanity will send out into space.
I want the landing on Mars to be a universal world spanning party, we should be allowed off work and parties should be thrown. That's another step in our legacy as a human race
Hmm a bit idealistic but I would like too see us achieve a nuclear weapon free world it creates a sense of false peace in the world by major powers having enough weapons to destroy the world twice over.
Additionally I would like the big 3 superpowers of the world(USA, Russia, China) too actually work together on matters instead of having proxy or cyber wars. It might even lead to change when their allies and the smaller nations see this. I would like to be a mediator for the potential talks held in the future.
Of course it won't be easy but if we use a combination of rational thinking and some emotional reasoning it should be possible.
Not sure it counts, like, at all, but I'm excited at the prospect of either Scientology entering the mainstream during my life time or, it's complete and total eradication during my lifetime.
Either way, I'm pretty sure that something big related to Scientology will happen before I die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily curing cancer, but maybe making it into a chronic disease. Something like diabetes. You can just take this one thing a certain number of times per day and live a normal life, with the cancer being stagnant.
While I'd love to see things like cybernetics and the transfer of human cognition into an AI platform. The thing I really want to see is a clean and sustainable planet. We only have one
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to see electric/hybrid vehicles that don't look like garbage. I rather drive two F350s rolling coal at once than a Prius. I want a normal looking sports car, not some faux futuristic abortion.
I'd want to see the average life expectancy of a developed nation to be projected past 100 years. I highly doubt it'll happen within my next 50-60 years but one could wish. I say projected because if this were to happen, I doubt anyone already alive will be able to get the right supplements, treatment, etc to live that long. It needs to start at birth.
Faster than light travel, uploading consciousness (or at least good DBI), molecular transistor, quantum/bio computers, human creation of life, space stations at all the Lagrange points (for earth and sun), colony on mars, and effective synthetic biology.
qfeys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Late as hell but I'd love to see us perfect emission control and fix or adjust to any ecological impacting things we have done. I think for us to consider ourselves as a species worthy of space exploration we must first perfect and understand our living here on earth.
pa07950 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A treatment for pain that is not addictive. Our ability to fix and cure our body is moving faster than our ability to manage pain.
Jirb30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Please. I greatly fear the unknown that is death.
Achieving immortality by figuring out how to download human consciousness into a computer program and becoming a robotic species; allowing us to explore the stars without having to worry about food and oxygen restrictions we have to figure out due to our flesh and blood existence
Commercial Super sonic flight that masters and overcomes the current noise, pollution, safety and monetary hurdles it faces today. It must be easily accessible for all as commercial passengers flights are today
kjanta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is so much wrong with that statement i have no idea how it is upvoted so highly? Unless you're clearly being sarcastic and I've totally missed da vibe
Ebun10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First immortal man.
If I see this during my lifetime it means that it's me.
A sub 2 hour marathon
(Best attempt by Eliud Kipchoge for the primed conditions Nike sub 2 attempt at 2:00:25 which knocked 2:27 off the standing world record)
A cure for tinnitus. There are many symptoms that have to be dealt with and it's not just the ear that is the problem.
ovrlymm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't seen it but peace would be nice. A world where we traded and helped one another rather than Hide away resources and knowledge that can help people. Where the olympics was a contest of athletes not nations. Where people could come together and not hate them immediately on sight because they're different but rather because they vape and are pro-vegan
Massive desalination projects to provide water and energy, overhaul of diet, nutritious food for students, effective prison systems in the US, exposure to foreign languages at younger ages/the schooling system, strong leaders in the middle east to settle differences, North Korea not launching an ICBM at any country.
I'd kind of like to see North Korea open up the country and become a productive member of the international community instead of a repressive regime that starves its own people.
Also, it would be nice if my granddaughter could afford to go to college along with every other qualified person and not have to pay off loans until she retires.
If we see AI, we may see the technological singularity. And if we see the singularity, we'll probably see the rest of human achievements during our lifetimes.
An association that will actually teach man and woman appreciate each other's contribution and values and grow together.... instead of all those that are separating them by competing with each other
The desistance of all sexual acts involving coconuts
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity. The day when humans can upload their minds to the cloud and be granted immortality. I'm 17, so I have a very good chance of living to see this.
The colonization of another planet, not our moon, a place we can live on and use as an expansion point to travel even farther. (Mars and some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn would make excellent candidates with some terraforming).
The cure for all known diseases, which would probably entail some version of micro-machines being put in our bodies to act as advanced white blood cells going around looking for disease, damage, etc. and treating it.
Cybernetic enhancement!! Preferably relatively affordable, but if I have to pay off my debt by being a cybernetic corporate assassin then sign me up anyway. I can't wait to get some mirror shades and razor blades implanted in my fingers, anyway.
And I love to imagine if I could get new eyes that could see into different parts of the spectrum like ultraviolet, infared, and beyond. I feel like there is so much going on around us that we are just unable to perceive. That's the first modification I'm getting, hands down.
The ability to download consciousness into a computer basically making the human race immortal
M8-Pls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Secure borders and strict border control. Real progress.
Duveng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial asteroid mining. If we have ready access to materials in space I think it would open the door to orbital manufacturing which would open the door to readily available and cheap commercial space flight. I know there are already several companies looking into asteroid mining like Deep Space Industries and Planetary Resources and it gets me so excited.
Universal basic income, please.
Imagine what people could do if everyone's basic survival was collectively secured. Imagine what people could do if no one had to work a job that did not inspire them.
It seems like this would require: universal medical care, universal access to education, supportive job placement systems, and extensive mental health services.
What if we collectively worked to remove the obstacles that prevent people from living productive and fulfilling lives?
LAW9960 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man walking on Mars
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decrease in total human population on Earth, due to family planning, a decline in religion and poverty and new age of prosperity, peace and equality for everyone;
The sooner this planet is past "peak human", the better.
A space lift and a colonization project might be nice too, but I'd go with bringing us down to a healthy one to five billion first. (Might take a couple of generations).
The end of racism and generalization. As a white college kid I love talking to everybody and making anyone no matter age, race, nationality, and social class feel invited to a conversation with me. It just doesn't happen in the city or the US as much as I had thought it would growing up. I still try with everyone and keep my spirits up even when willingness to open up is not reciprocated.
Spibas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI superseding human intellect. AI creating superior AI, that keeps on creating superior AI -> aka creation of God by men. By this point we should be immortal, so I'd like that.
Uffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Longevity of life and colonization of Mars with traveling between the two.
Nick-D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for depression. Friend was found dead yesterday thanks to his 3rd attempt at suicide. He had a seemingly decent life and we always tried to keep his head up when we could. This shit sucks.
Muckl3t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if they make enough money to live on off YouTube they should have to get another job? That's fucking dumb for many reason but Mainly it takes a job away from someone who needs the money.
The whole issue is the insane amount of money some people are doing through this platform, most of them at a very young age. An age at which they're not capable of realising the value of it. Sure, there are some restrictions in the way they perceive this money, maybe it has to go through their parents 'till they're 18, but that doesn't solve the lack of responsibility and awareness.
And yes, there are a lot of different cases, and no, they're not all judgable by the same argumentation, but one thing is cristal clear: no one can know shit about something they haven't experienced. It's like when a young fella has his/her first relationship, people around will go 'aw, look how cute they are', but what they're really thinking is 'oh dear, let's get ready for when this is over and he/she knows what it's like afterwards for the first time'. Some people don't ever go through a breakup, ergo they don't ever know what it's like. Some of them will appreciate what they have, some others won't (and eventually get ditched and disappointed at a rather strange age for it). That's the same principle I'm talking about with 'the real job' thing.
I could add some points to my reasoning, but I hope I made it understandable this way. Sorry about possible mistakes, English isn't my first language.
Edit: forgot to mention that my first post was meant in a kinda funny way, I know generalizations aren't a good procedure to make a point, but since OP didn't tag this as serious, I permitted myself a little bit of poorly executed humor.
Figuring out how to teach kindness consistently and reliably. Maybe if humans learned some empathy and decency we wouldn't have so much crime and loss of nature.
ViDanci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to switch bodies medically when yours gets too old
Jatopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm relatively young (23) so I have high hopes that we will start a colony, however small it may be, on the moon or another planet. As a species we need to either cut down on our reproduction rate or find more space for our ridiculous quantities of offspring. Hell, I change my answer to humanity simply admitting that we have or are about to have an overpopulation crisis.
Reinstatement of a proper monarchical system, societal rejection of progressivism/marxism/calvinism, and a return to above-replacment-level birthrates in the west.
I like to see mankind and women kind to come together and work for the betterment of this world for everyone not just a selected few RICH men and women.
Interstellar travel or at least far reaching space travel capable of taking us beyond IO or even Titan
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dr assisted suicide for depression would be awesome, and it's very much needed for me... instead I have to buy a gun and hope I don't miss the brainstem
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have heated floors, so why can't we have cooled pillows?
gio96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That over time and time the bourgeoisie wil be a very small group of people and that the bourgeoisie has al the money and the workers (than almost every one) have no choice and must revolt in a world revolution and create a socialist state (or anarchy)
A winning lottery ticket worth over 10 million dollars, in my hand, with my signature on the back. On my way to collect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space exploration that's not held back by politics. Hell, I wouldn't mind if all I saw was another mission like the Mars Rover on the moon. But seeing as how we're so fond of bickering amongst ourselves and name calling I doubt I'll get to see much.
I'm going to ignore the depressing crap getting upvoted.
Y'all need something. What, I don't know, but something.
What I want to see:
Humans landing on Mars.
Cold Fusion or some other appropriate next-gen method of generating power.
The end of religion (more a pipe dream than anything, I'm afraid.)
Medical advances that turn all our currently fatal cancers/diseases/conditions into simple daystays at a clinic (another pipe dream, as we still sink way too much research money into making sure old men can get their dicks hard.)
A massive restructuring of our educational system so we're not producing such a vast number of completely uneducated high school graduates (this is probably more US-centric, sorry)
Sadly, I'm not likely to see any of these, with the exception of the Humans on Mars one. Elon is gonna get that one done, if he's gotta push the fucking shuttle there himself.
Edit: Ohhhhhh for the world. Ok: Nanocomputers, VI (virtual intelligence, which would be better than AI), the US have a total reform of laws (single payer health insurance, cheaper universities, mandatory 4 week vacation days per year for workers, prison system reform like Portugal, decriminalization of all drugs worldwide because enforcement does nothing at all...hmmmm what else am I missing? Oh abolition of all religion specifically with Christians and Islam beliefs)
I think there are two major catastrophes that are pretty close. The one is nuclear war โฆ but the public doesnโt know. I mean the general public is unaware. Professional literature is very clear that the threat is high and growing. And the other is environmental catastrophe, which will come. We donโt know when, but you can already see the signs. If we could secure ourselves from these horrors in my lifetime I will be happy. The first one is easy to solve, the second will require some work.
I know that this isnโt the best use of scientific breakthroughs, and most likely will not have a great effect on the world, but I would love to see the self-driving cars from Minority Report be a real thing. I know that there are some self-driving cars of the Google variety, and I wouldnโt be surprised by other companies doing the same, but I feel that would be the greatest way to get time back.
Youโre still going to be commuting, so youโre not gaining actual time, but gaining the commute time to do whatever you need, which should hopefully eliminate stresses from driving/road rage/etc. I know that when I used to ride the bus to and from work, it was clunky and slower, but I was able to rest and relax all the way home as opposed to being pissed off all the way there, and for a solid hour after getting home.
The computer system will guide all vehicles to a 0 collision, 0 traffic, smooth journey each time. Fuck auto insurance for BS claims; the only way that weโll be making claims would be natural disasters.
prunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to diseases that can be managed with vaccines.
Youtoo2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see some sort of progress towards light speed travel. Like, an engine that lets us cruise our own universe at impossibly high speeds by today's standards.
I love the ideas in here so far, but the reality of space travel and contact with other worlds is that if we can't get some serious speed going, our universe will just become our own personal prison, eventually.
I don't expect to see us get very far, but it would be nice to see the dominoes begin to fall, with some serious advances that will eventually extrapolate out to something bigger well after I am gone.
With increasing desperation, I hope that we can avert global, catastrophic, climate change. Most articles I've read lately give us only a 5-10% chance to avoid an irreversible shitshow of mega-droughts, Monsoons*5, and 85 becoming the new 'chilly.'
I want to see people learn the difference between pictures and reality. And I really want to see people learn why they start hiding and to just stop hiding.
I'd love to see a better option for long-term chronic pain. There's so many problems, accidents, diseases, etc that cause lasting pain which can drastically lower someone's quality of life. We have tons of options for accute, short term pain though.
Well, the Cubs won the series, so the thing I DIDN'T want to see happen happened.
Megboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A better cure/treatment for mental illness. Psychiatrist are just basically guessing when it comes to medication and therapy can only do so much. Right now it's about learning to live with your struggles, not curing them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just so you know, that is a 100% guaranteed way to achieve total anarchy, and no one can prevent it because to so would be to exercise some kind of authority.
Just changing ANYTHING for the better so I could die knowing the world is becoming a better place. I know that it is becoming a safer place than ever but I mean a big change, like bringing stability to a third world country or peace to some or even all of the middle East. It's a pipe dream sure, even moreso than space travel probably, but I'd love to see it.
Crispr to be accessible to humans with genetic illnesses. In part because it's cool, but also because it's the only way for me to have a lifespan longer than about 40.
The end of all oppression against women and girls. No more child marriage. No more cutting off little girl's clits, no more forcing women to wear black sacks
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, so I can see every future achievement within my lifetime.
Not so much of an achievement or innovation, but I want space travel to be open to the public. I'm only 26 and I do keep track of what SpaceX is up to. It's not as noble as world peace or curing diseases but dammit I want to go to space.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your waifu not being trash.
dusup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be pretty happy if people stopped wasting salespeoples time. Sure, some salesmen are aggressive, but delaying saying no isnt going to make them leave you alone faster. Telling them no will, though.
Also if guys could stop sending dick pics, and pulling out their dick when nobody asked to see it, my life would be 100% better.
I'd love to see discovery of life somewhere other than earth. Not "little green men from mars" so much as simpler forms, which seems much more likely. Bacteria, worms, mollusks, crabs, something fish like perhaps.
I want to see the eradication of the Guinea Worm in Jimmy Carter's lifetime. He's worked hard for decades to achieve it, and he is 92, and had brain cancer a few years ago.
So far in 2017, there are only 5 reported cases world wide, and 25 in 2016! Down from millions in the 1980s. It could really happen, and that old man should go to his rest with the satisfaction of seeing that horror gone for all eternity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understand dark matter and an advanced, alien civilization.
Sufficiently advanced cybernetics and synthetic bodies really. So sick of these uncooperative fleshbags!
Automation becoming a good thing rather than a "bad" thing and the emergence of a 4 hour work week being the standard. There is no feasible reason in this modern world other than dated societal systems people have to fight tooth and nail for the "right" to spend 80% of their daily time doing a menial task for another.
Higher education being about learning above all else rather than competition
quyax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see non-chemical (is that the right word?) space travel established as possible, even if only mathematically.
Baldness will be a cool style one day. People with shaved heads will be everywhere. I hope to live to that day and laugh at them while I have a mane of curls.
Already seen the cure for Hep C, would love to see another terminal disease eradicated. Also, the his living wage thing Zuc keeps talking about sounds pretty good.
proliferation of nuclear power and the cease of using coal power plants.
Which should be amusing because we know how. We just don't for some reason. Yeah yeah, Chernobyl, Fukushima, "Not in my backyard!" We've learned from mistakes and I'm reasonably sure gas refineries have had more deaths then all nuclear power here in the US.
Solar is pretty cool but it works something like half the time,
nearly requires clear days.
wind turbines are massive and dear god if you live in the shadow of one.
Hover boards! I guess I've seen some that aren't even ready to be able to be sold to people or some that uses fans that are REALLY loud. But I want a full on hover board like some back to the future shit that shit is so cool.
Advancements in transportation that would render air travel obsolete
Abduco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading our consciousness/person into electronics. Limitless opportunities and artificial immortality. I don't have a desire to live forever, but I would love to extend my life long enough to see major advances in human history that Galen after ~100 years.
A post-work era; money doesn't exist and AI will do work for us. A bit like communism but no one does work and everyone is rich, so the issues communism brings in todays world are gone.
Dilplok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of life beyond Earth. Only if they're friendly though. :)
Peace. As in a peace coexistence with other people, regardless of race, nationality, religion or sexuality etc. I would want to see violent crimes end, wars end, people living in honest peaceful coexistence. Any crimes at all to end.
Would be even better if we could learn to coexist with the rest of the planets life forms too. No animals hurt or dying, whether through losing habitats or poaching, but also via meat egg and dairy farming.
But humans as a species will never come close to either of my ideals, because we are a horrid species. Personally I feel as if we are the worse type of life form in existence.
Sidion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some form of real unification across the planet.
It'd be the single biggest human achievement we could ever hope for. It's not likely to ever happen, but I value that over seeing renewable energy personally.
Global nuclear disarmament would be quite nice (I mean yeah there's all the star trek stuff, but to be honest I'll settle for just not wiping ourselves out)
The ability to move your consciousness into a machine or an empty body at will. That way when your body dies you can move your being into something else.
Getting to a point where national identities aren't important. Uniting to a point where regional, continental, or even global governance is an effective and normalised thing
(Where citizens still have individual liberties and an accountable government, of course)
Akumoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only having to pay for the 15 channels that you actually watch.
The technology that enables us to play games like sword art online. Oh also uploading the human brain to the Internet where the government will forever keep you.
vwrage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Massive amounts of salt filter equipment all along coasts of the world.
I really want to see our world's infrastructure drastically improved. Seeing new or repaired highways/roads, sea/space ports, airports, dams, bridges, high-speed rail and fiber optic cables connecting us all.
A program about mass sterilization of humans and a very complex process to be allowed to reproduce.
darr76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if we don't formulate a treatment or cure I want an understanding of the Alzheimer's disease process. We generally know how it works, but not the details or why it happens.
On a morbid note, I kinda hope I see who NK shoots with their nukes, even thought it will probably be the US.
Nuclear weapon disarmament! We probably will never get rid of all of them, but bringing the number down to double digits or singel digits total would mean a lot!
Cybernetics, namely optical implants. Eye problems are far more widespread than most think, and the ability to enhance(i.e. bring up to normal standards) my vision would be a game changer for my life.
stopping climate change. There really is no more pressing thing we need to accomplish. It sucks that the biggest achievement in my lifetime should be to undo the achievement we've accomplished largely in my (and my parents') lifetime, but there it is
A cure for all cancers. Watching my 3 year old fight through leukemia completely broke me. He has a very good prognosis and is doing well with his continued treatment, but I just can't move forward or come to terms with the fact that my toddler had cancer.
I would like to see humans finally achieve humanity.
kaity3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not the biggest concern like some of the other comments on this thread, but I'd like to see Crazy Horse in South Dakota get finished. I visited there a few summer ago and it was nice, would be cool to go back on day see it completed.
We've honestly explored and mapped out more of Mars than we have our own ocean.
We don't know what's down there, what nations have withered away and been swallowed by the seas. The vast depths of the oceans hold many mysteries that could lead us to great knowledge.
The way we try to explore and know other planets when we don't even know about 70% of our own is something rather worthy of a chuckle.
taoisms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking world peace. Disarming of all nukes. A commitment to ensuring the world we live on is prosperous (for everyone) and taken care of, before we branch out and colonize/destroy any habitable planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity has put this one up on a pedastle so damn long that theres no way its going to be anything but a disappointment.
I think we already know the answer and its not that exciting. But even if there is some alternate realm of existence with a hidden meaning. I guarentee its not going to be all that satisfying.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-driving cars. I can't deal with the stupidity anymore.
BHMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally moving on from Bronze Age superstitions and belief systems.
HBlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Economical artificial meat. Hell, print something fully grown without a brain/nervous system.
I'm no vegan/vegetarian but I would take the option of less suffering. Also, I know a vegan and holy shit is it hard finding food for them, I wanted to buy them a snack. :(
Hell, it also means we can try eat even the rare and cute animals meat without having to harm them. The Galapagos tortoise is apparently delicious!
I imagine a future with massive town-sized skyscraper farms and animal factories. Hopefully that will mean more space for nature to be nature, and more places where man can settle since the logistical demands could be more forgiving.
Interstellar travel. Even one-way. Just being able to go that fast/far
mcc1923 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some form of better/alternate transportation. It's the one thing that has barely technologically advanced in 100 yrs as opposed to computers, phones, medicine, etc.
Sanhael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see someone walk on Mars, but I'd prefer a permanent base and mining operation on the Moon. I think that would do a lot more to kickstart our exploration and habitation of the solar system.
mcc1923 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be the first motherfucker to see a new galaxy. Find a new alien life form..... and fuck it. People will be like "There he goes, Homeboy fucked a Martian once."
Noiprox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quite a few possibilities here:
- Overcoming climate change (i.e. being able to sequester as much carbon as we emit)
- Defeating some of the most pernicious diseases such as malaria and cancer
- Affordable space tourism (spend a month on a space station for $10k)
- Direct neural interfaces that will make humans essentially telepathic
- Extending human lifespans to well beyond a century
- Constructing a robust general artificial intelligence
- Fusion power to make energy abundant
- Total elimination of extreme poverty
- Colonizing another planet or a moon
Artificial and indistinguishable from animal sourced meats. There's be huge transition issues from current practices. But it'd be great if we could reset our relationship to what, turns out to be, remarkably intelligent and emotional animals.
kirakun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all are ahooting for the moon. I'd be happy (and suprised) if we nailed a full conversion to electric vehicles by the time I die and im only 32. Dont get me wrong I'm all for some version of limitless clean energy but thats got so many geo political hurdles to overcome that it seems unlikely in the next 70 years.
First female president of USA, seeing a human land on Mars, a cure for people with severe allergies to peanuts/tree nuts/seafood/etc. (there has to be something out there), people actually giving a shit about the Earth. It's not hard to start innovations that continue to make life easier but also protect Earth, people and governments rather just don't care enough to impose any true form of law worldwide.
Reduction in world poverty. It is actually completely possible given how much food, clothes, energy, resources ect that first world countries waste. Especially food - it is disgusting how many tons of food is simply thrown out when people are starving. I hope to see a better diversion of resources that will mean things are shared not wasted.
Some polictial dramawith some real stakes and a real message.
How about:
Democratically-ratified public execution of a standing US president, excommunication of all direct family, followed by a liquidation of all their financial holdings to be donated toward Planned Parenthood and NORML.
For different people to stop trying to fucking kill each other over the dumbest shit, such as religion, or flat out having a different opinion on something.
Effective nerve splicing. You'll solve your physiological problems in one fell swoop. Transhumanism will be much more popular. Robotic limbs with proper receptors will be a thing. People can realistically be whatever sex they want to. Furries can do their thing. Paralyzed individuals will be able to walk (with the availability of more precise robotic surgery and algorithmic nerve mapping to cater to each individual). Lou Gehrig's disease won't be a death sentence. Retardation can be effectively treated and bring individuals to their full potential. We will be limitless.
When it's legal to ride into a large playground on my cow with three battle axes on my back, with full armor for me and my cow, and lay claim to the playground and the children within I will be happy.
Gay marriage. Regular manned spaceflight. Some kind of new heavily-regulated capitalism-lite gaining wide acceptance. The world's population tapering off and becoming sustainable.
I want to see humanity as a society stop making stupid people famous. I would say we are better than that, but every time I even think that way, we end up with "Cash me ousside, howbow dat" and other stupid shit.
In sports, a sub 9 second 100m or a sub 2 hour marathon.
In politics, federal government (United States) forces internet and cable providers to compete like in France so that we get speeds seen in places like South Korea.
Finally, about 95% of cancer cases are treatable and people fully recover. Only in very extreme circumstances would people's lives be at risk.
When every inch of the earth has been explored and documented by man, and we essentially have streetview for every road, footpath, and trail in the world.
Zephk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two words: Reliable. Printer. And I mean across the board, not a peice of shit. I don't care that you've had yours for years and it's never given you any trouble. You're not representative of the majority here, sit down
The real answers to what dark energy and dark matter are. Supposedly they make up 95 percent of the universe and are needed to confirm Einstein's general theory of relativity. The theory accurately allows us to navigate the Earth using GPS, but it doesn't account for a galaxy's ability to hold stars in constant spiral rotation...without dark matter that is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human population decrease. It might ease all issues on Earth even if there's just less people to experience.
I've always wondered, if we cure all the stuff we hate that kills us (cancer, alzheimers, etc), what are we going to do with all the people? Does some new disease or issue come along to take its place and keep things in balance? Or like a parasite do we consume our host until we either die out or find a new host?
Dylpooh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing any deadly disease like cancer or AIDS
Kairoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be cool if humans could live underwater and in various depths rather than be fixed on terrestrial real estate. We're so superficial and dry, aren't we?
ArcRust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars. More specifically colonizing. Sure humans can do a lot in making sure our species survive like creating vaccines, solving hunger, etc. But becoming a multiplanet species almost guarantees our continued survival. Plus I'd love to explore new places. Sign me up
honestly people of different creeds castes and religions learning to live together without it devolving into massacres.Mankind has split the atom and sent a guy to the moon but can't agree whether the ps3 or 360 is better without yo mama jokes
Actually pushing the earth to the point of cataclysmic "failure". Basically I want some global apocalypse happening as a result of climate change. Feels like it would be pretty interesting to see and more realistic than anything else here
Hey thank you. You can start helping me out actually. Watch all those videos that tells you ways you can help fight climate change, and then doing the opposite of that.
Because the question is "do you want to see" and there's no requirement for it to be likely at all I will say humans settling or colonizing another planet. Not like Mars, but another earth-like planet.
liv4800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the stigma surrounding mental health decline and hopefully see progress made with helping those who suffer. I know it'd help me personally to enjoy all of these magnificent accomplishments you all speak of.
World peace.
I recon this is accomplishable via every country coming together as a unified planet or an aggressive and expansive military campaign by the Canadians. One or the other I'm down for either~ P=
Sentient machines. I don't think it'll be good. I don't think it'll be worthwhile for humans. But if (and only if) it's inevitable, then damn do I wanna see it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nisas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to upload yourself into a computer. Not only do you get immortality for free, you get to live as a god of a world of your own making. Free from the constraints of physics. A world of pure imagination if you will. But without all the child endangerment. But more importantly, you could explore the creations of everyone else. The catalog of human creativity would continuously grow.
And if you still want to explore the real world you can just load yourself into a robot for a while. Robots are more suited for space travel anyways.
I'm 56. I was eight years old when I saw Neil Armstrong step on the moon.
I hope I live to see a human being set foot on Mars.
"We came in peace for all mankind".
uirop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inventing technology that gives animals the ability to communicate with humans so that they can express themselves, tell us how they learn, teach us about their cultures and explain how they understand the world, each other, and other beings. Maybe they could explain what they experience in the wild day to day (or in their habitat/home) or share the things that they have seen and experienced in their life. Maybe they could even tell us stories and myths they may have, who knows what kinds of questions animals like horses, birds, whales, wolves, or apes may have for us in return?
A conversation, even if it is kind of limited, with an animal. Basically, I think it'd be neat if we (people) could somehow converse with a pet, even if is a low-level conversation. For example, it'd be pretty cool to get a real response about what food they like best.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for life threatening allergies. I would love to share a milkshake or a sundae with my wife. My daughters donโt have milk allergies so I will be going on ice cream dates with them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always wondered with things like the 100, what is the limit? I mean, there has to be a limit, you can't run it in 0.00. Will humans hit a point, say 7.83 (for instance) where it's equalled but never broken? It's interesting to me.
AI, so a purely objective entity can emerge and take over the world like a parent breaking up an utterly stupid fight between infants. Maybe then we can FINALLY live in a world where greed at the very least doesnt saturate every fucking infrastructure in existence.
The deployment of commercial advanced fission molten salt reactors. I would really like to witness humanity gaining access to inexhaustible supply of energy from uranium (from the sea) and thorium.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Federal libertarianism in western society.
MxM111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a quadriplegic, I'm a little partial to advancements in stem cell research. Regrowing spinal chords would be nice.
McSport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyborgs!
prosthetic limbs that provide the near identical functionality as a real one. Currently, there are an estimated 1.9 million people living with limb loss in the United States. an estimated 185,000 amputations occurred in 1996 in the United States.
imagine restoring any damaged body part like new. think Luke's hand in Starwars and Spooner's arm (will smith) in I,Robot.
The rate technology and programming is coming along, i dont think it is an outlandish wish. reasonably priced and widely available might be though.
A cancer cure. As a cancer survivor, I would love to live in a world where no one else ever has to suffer like I did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A faster, cheaper, more private way of getting across the ocean. I don't care if it's by boat or plane or pixie dust, someone just figure it out please.
HexKor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I want to see a complete mastery of our oceans. I want us to be capable of having some sort of eco friendly underwater faculties to study and view the oceans. Mastery also in the way of rejuvenating the damages we've done and finding a way to use them without causing more damage.
I had a dream that me and all of my family went into space for an hour and take off and landing were amazing. So I'd like to see affordable commercial space flight.
I think a lot of these ideas could become exponentially more possible with access to cheap higher education for everyone. More minds dedicated to searching for new ideas and solutions. No ones loses if the base knowledge of the human race is higher.
Humans colonizing another planet.it would be so cool to see the first human born on another planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
faster than light communication.
I think other more advanced intelligent life is more likely to be communicating with faster than light means. When we develop the technology to do so our selves then we'll be able to listen to what they have to say.
It wouldn't just be the biggest discovery for humans because we'll have proven that intelligent life exists outside of earth but because we'll suddenly have access to advanced technology, philosophy and cultures. They might have not just solved energy problems but social and economic problems as well. It would be the single biggest leap in human knowledge. It would make the age of reason, the industrial age, the space age and the information age pale in comparison to the knowing age.
I'll honestly just be happy with a WEIRD country being completely reliant on renewable energy for a day or the beginning of a colony on another planet. Not even populating, just constructing.
Personally I'd love to see AI be created. With predictions of autonomy creating the need for a universal basic income, I don't trust governments and corporations to adequately control the UBI for the betterment of mankind. Let Skynet do it.
Alt-001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had recently finished reading a bunch of horrible stories from WWII when I was younger (in my 20s). Honestly, some of them were so bad that they made me want to vomit. It left me disturbed for some time after, and being the analytical sort of person I am, I needed to rationalize my way out of it.
I realized that empathy was the missing ingredient. In all those stories, in every story that made you want to "rage" or weep ever. Empathy was the missing thing. We had so much technology, and it always had good and bad uses. Even now. And I realized, the ONLY technology that matters is the one that gives us empathy. The greatest invention of the human race will be the one that allows us to see the person we hate as the one we love. It is such a silly distinction in the first place, and when we can REALLY see it, know it, feel it, we will be a better race.
Is this a technology? I'm not even sure that work is right in how we use it. Perhaps it is a belief system, they are a technology of sorts, though limited. But it will certainly be a human achievement. So yes, the human achievement I would like to live to see us actually achieve is the one that makes us all care about each other.
Flying motorcycles. REAL flying motorcycles, not some phony bullshit version that looks like a drone. I want a motorcycle that transforms into a jet airplane while going 80+miles an hour and can land and then transform back into a motorcycle. Is that too much to ask?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we make water free? Went to an establishment recently (soda machine was busted) but I really just wanted a sip of water. $1.75 for a cup of tap water, -or- for $1.35 I could buy a bottle. Either way you're screwed. Can water just be a basic expectation without having to pay what would be the price for a soda?!
Human beings learning to grow om the inside. In this time of flat information and social awakening, the secret to discover oneself is here. Inner engineering is a reality.
I would like the world to see thee world to look in.... Kindda ironic.
nikocb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A treatment for currently untreatable conditions. I have several chronic diseases such as Ehlers-danlos syndrome, fibromyalgia, postural orthostatic tachycardia, etc. I would love to have some time without these symptoms being so out of control. There are so many people who would maybe be able to recover and have some quality of life.
danlozo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Synthesized ingredients of energy drinks (ginsing, taurine, etc) to a cain/opiate quality. I know you can get them in pill form, but a gofuckyourself concentrate that actually does what they claim to do in an extreme way.
Not just for recreational use. But from a medical standpoint it could probably do something amazing.
From an RnD standpoint, possibly open some unexplored avenues.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to live long enough to be able to transfer my human consciousness over to a robot body so I can see things I wasn't meant to see. Like the sun imploding.
That we get the whole global warming thing under control.
Second place: permanent presence in space.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic connection (i.e. connecting the brain directly to the internet). The implications are mind-numbing. The pros and the cons. The ensuing battles of morality and politics.
Would be pretty ace.
EconoMD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All countries put all of their military resources into one giant battle bot each. Whenever countries have an issue, instead of going to war, we send the fighting robots to a colisuem in Antarctica to duke it out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the foundations laid out to make this planet self sufficient. Nuclear fusion power, force fields and thrusters so we can take this planet anywhere in the universe and be self sustaining. Or edit our consciousnesses to see the limits of observable reality and to reach new planes of existence. I want to see humanity preserve itself as the relic of initial conditions that led to perfection. Perfection leading to perfection.
I'd like to see human beings find a cure for cancer and improve life for everyone in third world countries. I want to live in a world where we can all get along and pool our collective intelligence and resources to venture forward into the solar system and someday the galaxy.
If countries spent as much money on science and space exploration as they do on their militaries, there'd be no limit to what we could possibly accomplish. Look at how quickly technology advanced during two World Wars? When mankind is motivated enough to develop shit to kill each other with, technology and research jumps forward in huge bounds, imagine if that sort of motivation and ambition was applied to real progress as an entire race rather than the governments of different countries trying to compete against each other in some sort of dick-measuring contest where millions of people need to die.
Somewhere in Africa, there might be a kid with the brains to make some truly amazing scientific break throughs, and we could be helping them grow up safely and go to school. Instead we're spending money to kill one another or brag about how many ships and bombs we have or some shit.
Exhumed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering the true origins of humanity and dealing with them as a mature species.
Nadodan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetics or at least sustainable brain in a vat technology. I want to live forever, simply because I'm super curious where all this is going. If I have to do so inside a robot body or inside a jar that is eventually connected to a robot, that is fine with me.
kdm158 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for deafness/hearing loss. Birds can regenerate hearing cells, so why can't we? I want two functional ears again, damnit.
"Strong" AI/true generalizable artificial intelligence. As it stands, that's about the best chance we have to coming in contact with another intelligence.
PETA fading into nothing. People actually being nice to each other because we're all Humans and we're all struggling in our own ways.
pumbata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a microwave dinner that A) looks and tastes like dinner and B) heats on the first go without having to peel back the melted plastic, stir the lava potatoes and replace and reheat for another few minutes.
For Humans to come into contact with an external civilization, who can hopefully introduce us to technology so advanced that can make everything proposed in this forum worthless!
faisaed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For Microsoft to start over and make decent products. It's frustrating how so many organizations still use their products and Windows 10 is still like Windows 95 and XP with more software added instead of re-engineered.
I think that we've gotten as advanced as we're going to. We'll spend the next 40 or so years killing each other because of the affects of climate change and there will be very little progress in that time. Then someone will try a little harder to kill someone else and that will be it.
Not necessarily in that order or in the same moment.
Edited to add;
Having read some other comments further down the page, I have to say that this is my genuine and sincere comment. Not wishing to detract from the severity of your experience. Thank you
Immortality. We're /so/ close. Between research of telomeres (They have made old rats young again), being able to regrow body parts the breakthroughs that have come about to prevent the ill effects of aging on the brain and we're also close to being able to repair spinal cords. We're pretty damn close. Hell, there is a doctor prepping to do a full body transplant. I mean, I don't think it will work, but me nor anyone else is sure it won't work which is progress. Medical science is advancing so rapidly most of us might live a lot longer than we could possibly expect right now.
Self Drive Cars or Flying cars, safe reliable and affordable.
Perhaps Teletransport.
Also a Justice System that really works and put politicians on jail.
Wudzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace. Doesn't seem that bizarre to imagine when you think of how the internet is allowing my whole generation to make friends all over the world.
Self-checkouts can do it. ATMs should be able to, as well. If I can get change for a 100 from a self-checkout, and get cash back in any amount I choose, whether it's $7 or $77, there's no reason ATMs shouldn't do the same.
This is why when I need cash, I go to Kroger and buy a Coke. I can get exactly how much cash I want (I believe under $150), and I only have to pay $1.79 instead of almost $4 to get it. I was probably going to buy a Coke anyway, so really I got the cash for free.
jwc1995 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prosthetic advancements to the point that it's no big deal if you get a limb chopped off, because you can slap this bad boy on and you can't tell the difference between your old arm and your new one.
Creation of a forever stable society system that will prevent all ridiculously unnecessary wars, prevent any misuse of power against the people and fulfill the basic human rights all over the world. In the long run, this will provide a mindset of wanting to explore the universe and inhabit other planets as well.
Eyesight disability, be it having to wear glasses to read all the way to permanent hopeless blindness, becoming easily remedied. I guess it's possible to make it mega cheap but there's an industry and as someone with a prescription of +13.5 in both eyes, I'm screwed, it's ยฃ18k for me to get good eyesight. I feel like that kind of thing should be available at a small cost, or at least without having to wear these hunks of metal on my face all day everyday in order to not walk into everything
The only medical treatment for pain is either opiates (almost impossible to get anymore) or NSAIDS (pointless). I would like to see a real treatment for pain that is effective and non-addictive.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure and prevent cancer especially lung cancer. Lung cancer kills more people than breast cancer and other well funded cancers combined.
When your loved one gets a fatal diagnosis, you don't care about space exploration and climate change.
I want better and cheaper diagnostic measures to find silent cancers early.
pazdemy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal access to free comprehensive education and healthcare.
A cure for Cancer. Have lost a number of family members to the illness and seeing them suffer was absolutely horrific. I hope one day they can truly defeat that bastard
The establishment or at least progress towards something akin to Starfleet Academy in Star Trek or the Alliance in Mass Effect, basically humanity uniting as one force and reaching for the stars.
Hup234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An atheist President (of the US, of course...what other country really matters?). But yes, I know: don't hold my breath. Or a woman president, as long as it ain't you-know-who!
ShoNff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Male birth control pill/implant (says the single mother of a young son.) If Moms someday had a way to ensure that their son wouldn't impregnate some poor random girl, other than their stellar parenting & strongly instilled sense of morals (as if that is a fair fight when pitted against the sex drive of a teenager), then it would vastly alter our socio-economic landscape. And, frankly, just make it easier to sleep at night knowing that he can make it into adulthood without having to focus on anything other than exploring his own potential.
Then again, my kid only turned one last week so maybe I should say 'something that prevents excessive worrying about (distant) future events.'
I am hoping that in my life time we study another exoplanet and can measure the atmospheric spectrum from it. From those observations we see tell-tale signatures of artificial chemicals.
We will know then that we're aren't alone.
Tehsyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Improved batteries. I'm surprised I haven't seen this. Why is it that most hand held things aren't smaller, or last longer? Batteries. Having an electrically charged solution with lead plates sitting in it is not ideal, and neither is clean up once it explodes. Lithium mining wrecks the landscape horrifically. Improved solar panels would be great too, so long that they didn't use harmful materials.
Jarvis from Iron man Ai and holographic tech to use as a work table being the norm. That just seems like the most helpful to all other ideas. Breakdowns of DNA, material design based on specific parameters to improve quality of life and viability of space travel. Ect..
....which is normally an abnormally in brain chemistry which, in this scenario, would be fixed by a pill. What are you on about?
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The causes of depression can be traced back to things like divorce, losing a job, loneliness, a reduced number of friends or a weak connection to the community, etc.
What all of causes above have in common is that none of them are caused by a "brain chemistry imbalance", that can be magically fixed by a pill . If I were wrong, then psychologists ought to never be able to actually treat or even cure depression
Well then you've got your terminology completely wrong because all those problems are psychological and most of which can be fixed by such medication as there's a massive difference between being really down about something and actual depression. Depression, as a disease, isn't just about being really sad about something. It's about feeling like shit about absolutely nothing and taking your everyday bullshit and making it out to be the cause of your sadness because you can't find another reason for it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you even read my original comment? My mother killed herself after 42 years of dealing with depression. I tried helping her with that every day. I myself have been diagnosed with clinical depression for the last 2 years. I'm well fucking aware of how impossible it is to fix this with a magic pill that's why I commented on a thread about what you'd like to see in your lifetime you fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to the societal stigma against mental illness would be really nice. Universal healthcare as well. At the very least, severely decreased discrimination against LGBT+ people. (particularly the T, fucking tired of people glaring at my girlfriend and having to we worried she'll have her car vandalized again or be assaulted)
Open borders and people focused on curating the planet.
Once humans realize we're all in this world together, and the only way we can save it is to work together towards one common goal of curating the planet we all call home along with the creatures that share this planet with us, the world will be a much better place.
There's too much arguing over stupid shit and not allowing people to be and do what they want with their lives.
Space travel becoming so easy and affordable that people could take vacations to space. Or maybe just orbit around earth for a bit to see the sights and such.
A one world government who's goal is the betterment of all humans not just the rich. One where decisions are made based on scientific evidence rather than who can shell out the most money.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One where decisions are made based on scientific evidence rather than who can shell out the most money.
There's always the threat and the possibility of such "scientific evidence" to be fabricated, in order to serve an agenda
It happened before with eugenics, it is happening now with globalcoolingglobal warming climate, and you'd have to be really stupid to believe it isn't happening now elsewhere or that it will never happen again
I want to see all the stuff about Deep mind, with the learning mind, etc.
Imagine giving that to a video game boss. Able to adapt to the players and provide a true challenge.
gltovar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the human race to be more spread and not populate popular areas instead just distribute themselves evenly in livable areas so housing costs will go down and land won't be as expensive for people who would like to be a house or building. there is a lot of space in the US it's not even funny.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like we're gonna be able to have a manned mission to Mars in my lifetime and to be honest that's been a huge motivation to get in and stay in healthy shape. Don't want to force myself into an early grave with bad habits before I get to watch that.
I really want to see some more unspeakable feats of strength being performed. For example, Eddie Hall recently set a new deadlift world record by becoming the first human to lift 500kg.
Dr_Z00M ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giant fully functional and mobile robots. Like gundams. I just want to be able to pilot one and die in a blaze of glory.
Cure for cancer. Pretty sure I only have 5 years or less left, so a cure would sure be nice!
Kelak1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing stupidity. No not in intelligence. Just the nonsense where we pretend there isn't enough to go around, so we allow power and wealth to amass significantly more than they need and leave many with nothing or very little
Peperib ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power, or the ability to directly rearrange atoms, or the colonisation and full utilisation of space in our solar system, or reversed aging, or all of the above!
I would love to see the day when person's individual character, leadership skills, and values (or lack thereof) genuinely matters more to people than the (R) or (D) after their name, because until that happens we will never have the slightest hope of getting anything productive done that won't be undone purely out of spite by an opposing political party.
Take Obamacare, for example; the only real reason Trump and the Republicans want it gone is because they hate Obama and the Democrats, and they are fully ready and wiling to put thousands of lives in jeopardy purely to dump on "the other guy".
Several benchmarks would be game-changers in the course of developing a true global society, and making that happen should be our ultimate goal as a species right now. Shedding fossil fuel and adopting completely renewable and abundant energy (fusion) would be step one, moving from a capitalist to a socialist society with universal basic income would be another, and exploiting space resources would be a third. This would create a society of abundance with enough energy and material resources to provide for everyone, and this in turn would trigger massive social changes, eliminating many of the reasons that we fight now. This is absolutely doable in our lifetimes, but it requires imagination and political will.
Cure for autisim or at least a definent reason for it's cause. As a father of a autistic person for the last 22yrs I have no doubt that there is a real person with emotions and intelligence inside a mind that just can't get out like it's in a prison. And I have seen the pain first hand that it causes parents and loved ones would be great for a cure or at the very least a reason why?
Buuuugg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100 hotdogs eaten! We can do it people
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More feasible treatment for cancer, perhaps, I won't see a cure but if the treatment wasn't as nearly deadly as the disease then that would be an improvement.
Either being able to upload our consciousness into virtual worlds or having VR reaching the fever pitch that is Ready Player One or SAO. You might say I'd love to live in a place that doesn't exist.
Hover board. Like, for realsies, not some special surface thing or jet thing or air blowing thing.
zwingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to witness the day that all countries agree to dismantle their nuclear weapons. The concept of sitting on doomsday is completely fucked. We should never be at a point where we feel the need to have that kind of shit on stand by. We are literally waiting for a mass death, possible extinction at the hands of the powerful.
I dream of a day where we can at least know that shit may be fucked, but at least no one can wipe out an entire populous in a few minutes.
Human colonies on another planet or aliens on our planet or some apocalypse thing which would change entire humankind's daily routines forever like electricity completely goes off in revolution
A massive increase/stabilization in human intelligence because there are too many people out there that are just flat out morons and I don't know how they get through life on a daily basis.
Also the eradication of Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) in general and as a controlling force in many countries. There comes a point in life when you have to stop believing in fairy tales, for most people this is around 10-15 years old, apparently some people never reach that stage and still believe that God will heal them and their loved ones instead of seeking medical treatment, or that "God's Law" trumps any of "man's laws".
Honest to goodness, no harm or cloning to occupant, low cost teleportation. Get your passport in order, see the Eiffel tower, Stonehenge, Golden Gate Bridge, New Zealand coastline, and some Japanese temples all in a few hours.
Magdiwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The EXTERMINATION/ERADICATION of the entire Zionist Khazarian SEMITE! The ROTHSCHILD Bloodline!
The end of the FPTP polictcal system in hte UK, it's biased and unfair. Why should some people's votes not count because of where they live? It's time for change.
This is most likely going to be buried, but I'd love to see the complete breakdown of borders and a world government. It'll be a rough transition at first, but I hope that some day in the far future people will refer to themselves as citizens of earth, not the US, Germany, Russia or Ethiopia.
Cure for cancer, space travel, colonization of another earth-like planet ๐
elBoga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
aponsn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eye transplants for individuals who are visually impaired, or possibly retinal transplants.
My beau is visually impaired because of a degenerative sickness called X-connected Retinitis Pigmentosa. Having the capacity to get a transplant for this would, clearly, be groundbreaking.
There isn't any treatment or cure for his visual deficiency, so he doesn't care for heading off to the eye specialist just to hear "That is correct, you're somewhat more visually impaired today than you were yesterday and there's nothing we can do about it."
Affinity - basically every human is linked mentally and there is no need for a government or governing body; everyone is represented equally and everyone as a whole makes decisions. True democracy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The destruction of the corrupt establishment
A cure for HIV/AIDS
A cure for Terminal Cancers and diseases
Teleportation
ApiVat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eMan117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full car automation, end of unemployment, regrowing simple body parts (teeth), Canada actually cleaning up the great lakes. Also self sustaining moon/ mars colony evening it's small scale
Peace. Just peace for once where we actually turn and help each other, where no people are dying due to famine, dehydration, wars, murders. that will help us achieve anything
zao007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe look being able to look in the past in an animus kinda way
GavnerA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say traveling to another solar system but I think that's a way off.
We had better at least colonize the moon or Mars. It sort of needs to happen or we are screwed here on this floating blueberry.
In a weird sick way I'd quite like to be around for the end of humanity just to see how we finally fuck up properly. Not yet though, when I'm 90 or so and haven't got long left
โWhat human achievement do you want to see during your lifetime?โ
A BI (biological intelligence) human explain away the existence of an unaddressed paradoxical concept in accepted human ideology, to a rational and thus unimpressed AI (artificial intelligence) entity.
Ayekee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual diplomatic contact with other worldly beings/aliens/autobots and then just leapfrogging our evolution to another level.
mac2810 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a complete none joking way, losing my virginity. Im a 20 year guy who is still a virgin and for some reason it holds me back in every way. Its to the point where I feel like I cant get anywhere with my life if I dont lose it. I feel like a loser and wasted my entire highshool career worrying about what game im going to play or where im going to get alchohol from.
don't sweat it bro, im 20 and a virgin too but for other reasons... it doesn't get in the way that much cos i tend not to think about it. But i understand what's happening, you have loads of lust don't you? It gets out of hand sometimes and thats all you tend to day dream about, dicking down a girl in all sorts of positions, I know how hard it is bro but stay strong and don't just have senseless sex with anyone, it has to be the right one you know, the love of your life type shit, forgive me if im old fashioned.
Everyone in the world to accept global warming is a reality and not made up theories. Countries coming together to realise that they are not at war with one another and actually spending military money on helping people in their countries and around the world.
I also want to see people be put on mars, and hopefully be one of them. I'm serious, I definitely would go to mars, even knowing that it is a one way trip, and having seen The Martian.
I'm still young, but super crazy passionate about astrophysics and it would be a dream come true. I have spent my entire schooling life leading up to the point where I could potentially do something like that. Unfortunately, I am currently being tested for a mild form of brittle bone disorder. Nothing that makes me ridiculously breakable, but enough so that I have broken 13 bones in my life, and enough that would probably make people not want me in space.
Curing currently incurable diseases with CRISPR. Degenerative diseases, autoimmune diseases. Things that when you go to the doctor they say are idiopathic.
It's just so disheartening to hear, "we don't know how you got it, and we don't know how to fix it, but have these pills and you 'may' feel better but you'll never be cured"
An appropriate replacement for our capitalist system.
RunBFG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars. If we get to mars and create colonies, it still won't save us from the inevitable heat death of the sun, but it will force sci-fi authors to change their token scary planet, so that's pretty cool.
Carkudo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anything akin to intersubjectivity that the 60s hippies pursued. Technology is cool and all, but I'd love for there to be some non-technological progress as well.
If I have to pick one. Sustained fusion reaction that is energy supplying viable.
If I get to choose several then add quantum computing, the cure for HIV, the cure for Cancer, and at least the initial establishment of a moon/mars colony.
Getting rid of Trump and his Klepto-family out of the Country would make a good start. Repeal Citizen's United, holding Corporations, Wall Street firms and Thieves accountable for all the Credit Default Swap Shenanigans of 2007/08, that caused the Economic failure in the World.
So much is wasted in this country, the United Ststes, beside natural resources that are hoarded by Corporations and the Super Elite. We waste too many human beings, intellect, and we waste too much energy, arguing about what the "Invisible Flying Man" in the sky thinks.
When infact, we should be worrying about the visible world around us, because It has a greater influence on our lives and soul.
I came here to say that I would genuinely like to see a definite cure for cancer (all kinds of cancers) and preventative measures to stop the potential of cancer in the same way we try to prevent the flu with flu jabs...buuuuuut after reading other people's responses, I don't even know anymore... There are a LOT of wonderful things I would love to see happen within my lifetime.
BAI112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we please just go back to The Moon? It's not overly ambitious, it's been done before, we know we can do it. Why can't we just go back and do some 21st century Moon stuff?
Mars would be great, but The Moon is right there. It's a good place to re-start space exploration.
Taewyth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Create A.I and machines so developped that they could be seen as a whole new species (maybe not lifeform, it would depend on your definition of "life")
dev7905 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure Cancer. Father's been diagnosed (52). As was his father (68). And his father(70s). So, there is a possibility that might get it in my 40s. Cure cancer.
Atheism and other atheist thoughts more popular than religious.
I think the time of religion had its time and not sure it did a very good job. I think a world of atheists would get a lot more done with a lot more critical thinking and less war/killing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is like superman being your favourite superhero, but it's easily just worldwide environmental education and a clean environment.
De-extinction of certain species such as the Carolina Parakeet and the Great Auk. Not all species though, because the thought of Giant Sloths walking in the woods scares the crap out of me.
I would (for my own sake) like for us to be able to fix peoples hearing, actually fix. Not just replace as with CI, but sure - we could start there by massively improving on CI.
Not much of a human achievement, but a full separation of church and state. I think it would be a great move forward for a lot of different politic reasons.
I want be around when humanity finally colonizes the new worlds. I see it so often in the sci-fi I read I cannot imagine us not making the leap at some point in the future, I also hope it will bring prosperity and boundless oppurtunity to everyone. A united humanity going where possibly no other sentient species has.
I care for my mother in law with dementia. She's only mid-stage right now but can't remember anything that happened today. If we go somewhere she doesn't know we went. She's very vulnerable. And not always very nice. She definitely wants things a certain way. It's hard to look forward to the future, knowing what is likely to come.
That's mostly true, but the technology to colonize Mars already exists. It just needs lots of refinement. The tech to do what you're suggesting exists only in "soft" sci-fi.
I hope to see a serious advancement in the treatment and care for people with MS (multiple-sclerosis).... along with advancements in pain management in young people. Pain clinics often refuse anyone under 25, and I've even been turned away from 4 clinics so far and I'm 22, imagine the struggle even younger patients face!
I also wish to see a huge decrease in the greed and hate in america. My one (nรฏave and kinda unrealistic according to other people) hope for the entire world, is to completely eradicate any existence or trace of any nuclear and biological weapons... another unrealistic view of mine is to see the complete eradication of the AIDS/HIV virus in all countries and continents around the world.
If we're just wishing? Wish human could travel to alternate dimensions and I can use that mean of travel to escape to a place with nicer residents, don't matter if they're alien, but I had enough of "good friends".
If we're talking real possible achievement? I hope we have planet colonization technology, so we can start over if Earth is nuked to all hell.
Reaching Mars or establishing world peace for at least 10 fucking years. (No wars or conflicts or North Korea threats). I'd also like to see every country developed so there is no such thing as a first would or developing country.
The path to Democratic Socialism is to work to democratize the workplace, placing ownership of business in the hands of the workers by evolving the power and structure of unions, eventually mandating unions for every workplace. This will make it easier for the workers to later aquire collective ownership of the means of production.
Meanwhile, the major means of production should be aquired by the public (i.e. food, housing, utilities, internet, etc.)
Taking this multifaceted approach can allow a democracy to decide whether or not we wish to continue to use markets as a mechanism for the means of distribution, or if we want to move to a more equitable mechanism (central planning being top idea among US socialists)
Please check out Democratic Socialists of America at dsausa.org!
Well, it sounds like you may not know what capitalism is.
Capitalism means that private individuals make most of the money in the economy, not by working, but by owning.
We call this class the "bourgeoisie" or even "the 1%."
They don't actually work for a living, their paycheck comes from owning huge swaths of our economy.
Currently, if you actually do something in the economy (write code, sell things, work construction, etc) you are the working class.
We call this class the "prolitariat."
About 90% of the wealth a worker makes goes to the bourgeoisie, that is to say, 90% of the wealth of a worker goes to the 1% who did nothing to earn it.
Democratic Socialism ensures workers earn the wealth they generate.
In Capitalism, a handful of the rich control the government, nearly all private industry, and the lives of 99% of people.
Owning an iPhone (or indeed anything else produced today) cannot be avoided. Unless you live in North Korea or the middle of the Amazon jungle, you must, by definition, partake in some form of capitalism as it is everywhere.
It's like saying a slave should go naked and hungry if he wants to break away from his master and no longer wish to live in a slave based society.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:24:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NO MOM I WON'T CLEAN MY ROOM I'M FIGHTING CAPITALISM, GOD
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Zaldarr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:22:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending animal agriculture. Here are some of the benefits:
Ending world hunger, being able to feed all that crop to people instead of animals.
Ending heart disease, which is directly caused by saturated fat and cholesterol and kills 25% of adults in the US.
Ending the 60 billion per year animal genocide.
Ending the horrible environmental effects such as methane production, ocean dead zones due to waste, overfishing the seas which are predicted to be emptied within years.
Raikunen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:21:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk why youre getting downvoted because to me this seems like a plausible vision to work for. We have the means to replace actual meat for example. If only we had a world with logical people.
marx2k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be new here. Never expect a post on Reddit speaking against eating meat to be upvoted
I get it, ive been eating meat my whole life aswell. Its so damn tasty. But i personally feel kind of shitty about it every time because id rather the world filled with some meat replacement with the same great taste. We totally have the means to so why not ^
I think a more plausible route would be to replace farmed meat rather than meat altogether. Lab meat advancing could mean cheaper, higher quality meat without the huge environmental impact or ethical issues associated with large scale farming. Who knows, maybe the processes could be built upon and eventually do the same for egg and dairy production.
Animals aren't why we haven't ended world hunger. We haven't ended world hunger because there is more profit in lighting wheat on fire and dumping milk out to keep the price at a certain point than there is in letting the prices come down so everyone can afford to eat.
Capitalism creates some seriously fucked up priorities.
Mr-Frog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:04:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.
There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.
Varean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this from?
Mr-Frog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is more profitable, meat or grains? How much rainforest is cleared for cattle feed? How much food is wasted feeding livestock that could go directly to people? How much would we reduce greenhouse gas emission by the cessation of animal agriculture?
We burn wheat already. As long as we maintain present agricultural policies to maintain stable prices, ending meat production just means more wheat and corn gets burned, and a bunch of cattle are wastefully slaughtered or starved to death.
Congratulations, world hunger is no closer to being solved but a bunch of vegans get to feel better.
Also, third worlders get to feel better since sea level will be lower, storms will be lighter, and weather will be more predictable due to reduced climate change from the rainforest not being cut down. First worlders will benefit from reduced ocean acidification.
All valid points that I agree with. But not the point that was being argued.
Varean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is proven though that the cost to produce 1lb of meat is more than the vegetarian equivalent. Overall we could provide more food that is healthier if meat was removed from everyone's diet.
We can end world hunger right now. Like, right fucking now. We'd just have to stop burning excess crop yield. But we don't. Because the glut of supply would drop wheat prices. It's more beneficial for big, powerful agribusiness to let people starve, so they starve. It's not meat that caused world hunger, it's pure, unadulterated human greed.
It's not widely published because people would get angry. First they'd get angry because the waste of food when people are starving. Second they'd get angry when they realize the price of milk and other foods is artificially high.
By keeping it quiet they can persuade people that there just isn't enough to go around, if more people knew, more people would be pissed off at the rich corporations.
/me raises eyebrow slightly while chewing on a chicken wing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not animal genocide you idiot, it's the evolutionary food chain.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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wxsted ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:20:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Animal agriculture actually increases the consume of crops. With the crops used to feed animals you could directly feed more people than with the meat of those animal.
There is no such thing as "humane slaughter". Is there a way you would be happy killing your dog at a year old?
I'm not anti GMO at all. Why would we run out of crops? We are currently feeding 80% of the worlds crops to animals and we aren't running out now, having more space and resources dedicated to crops would just result in more crops.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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baftap ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? I don't really know a massive amount about economics, but communism seems to have far more flaws that's capitalism. I can't seem to find any articles online that seems like a non bias evaluation of capitalism/ communism/ socialism. I constantly see people on Reddit say communism is their dream, but their only real point is because capitalism is bad.
I'm a libertarian socialist because it's the ultimate form of democracy. The government and economy are the two most controlling factors in our lives, and we should be the ones they're beholden to. By having the workers collectively own the work place and making all power positions (board, mangers, etc.) elected by the workers, the economy naturally becomes more equitable.
How is a system where someone who works 10x harder than others but gets compensated equally an egalitarian system? Equality of outcome is evil, everyone should be striving for equality of opportunity.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:08:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly why socialization and democratization of workplaces and society are so crucial. Workers should truly be rewarded for their labour-power, with no bourgeois leeches exploiting their labour.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel, regeneration foods (increase heal and lifespan) the OASIS, high tech ninja wear (wall walkable boots jet packs) and the ability to defy gravity
chekako ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see human race finally realize that islam is cancer of our civilization, and that socialism will never work. Only then we will be able to focus on achieving all those things we really want.
Completely driverless cars. I mean people aren't even allowed to drive themselves. Think iRobot. It'll get rid of all accidents and more importantly to me, traffic. People are too stupid to drive.
The clearcutting of what's left of our old growth forests. I would like to see all virgin ecosystems destroyed in favor of land development and strip mining, preferably coal. I hope that I am alive long enough to witness the polar ice caps melt completely, and the state of Florida dissappear as a result of rising sea levels. I hope to witness disease and famine on an apocalyptic scale. But most of all, I hope to have the privilege of seeing the depletion of the world's oil reserves and the chaos that will ensue when the one thing our entire society is built upon is suddenly gone. I want it to see it all burn, baby burn!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On what charges?
meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An America that actually fulfills the promise our founding father set for all its citizens.
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women, LGBT, blacks, felons and people who aren't rich honestly.
meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really anybody who isn't white and poor white too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Furman , the lead detective in the OJ case, is a felony because he lied and said he didn't say the n word. Now he can't vote, can't own a gun or any weapons and was forced out the police station because he couldn't afford to fight his case and was found guilty of perjury. Never went to jail or anything and it changed his life forever and he was a cop, imagine all the regular civilians who can't afford to fight cases and end up with felonies. Think about the countless cases in Baltimore happening now where cops are planting evidence and ruining lives
Women make $.70 for every $1 a man makes and the country as a whole knows that yet the people with the ability to change it haven't even tried to fix the problem
As a black person you are at least 4x more likely to get pulled over by cops or not get called back for a job. Also if You get pulled over for being black and don't have anything the cop will never admit that so you'll at least get some bull shit ticket and ended up having to pay a $500 fine or what not because some cop assumed you were doing something illegal and that's if they don't end up planting some drugs on you.
LGBT is literally having troubles being in be military just because of their sexual orientation not to mention the justice department is currently arguing whether the civil rights act cover sexual orientation discrimination.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you honestly believe there is nothing wrong with America?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump theoretically started at the bottom and is now president, which is pretty much the American dream right?
Edit: I went shopping for healthcare and it depressed me that health insurance companies aren't obligated to cover emergency hospital stays. So this one company offered "HOSPITAL PACKAGE ADD ONS" for more fees.
What a sad greedy time to be alive.
And with that I'm certain that you don't know anything about socialism. Here's a hint. Everything that you hear about socialism being repeated over and over by people that don't know shit about it is quite wrong and has been purposely spread to make sure that you never question capitalism so that those in power will stay in power. A few years ago I was just like you, but then I did my own research about socialism and I found out exactly WHY it is that billions of people on this planet think that it's a good idea. Trust me if socialism was what YOU think it is, why would anyone want that? Do your own research.
boom456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've peaked my interest. What do you think socialism is, what benefits do you think it will have. And how do you think it can be implemented successfully?
I've got to get to work soon so I'll try to make it quick but I still encourage you to do more thorough research from as unbiased as you can find sources. Honestly Wikipedia is pretty decent.
Socialism is workers control of the means of production. What we have now is private control by a CEO or board of directors. Our current system makes work into a top down dictatorship where people at the bottom have almost no say in anything the company they work for does. You might say "well yeah because they aren't the ones who own and founded the company" fair point, but having only a few people in charge of the production of all of the goods we use is one of the major problems of capitalism that socialism seeks to fix. Right now jobs are treated as a charity to people who own no productive infrastructure as in people who only have their labor to sell. Companies have almost total power over the majority of people who decide whether or not they will be allowed to make money to survive. Socialism six to take this dictatorial system and make it into a democratic system. Under socialism private individuals would not own any company themselves but instead the workers at that company would own it collectively and control it collectively.
I think that this could have incredible benefits to everybody because under this system unemployment does not need to exist because as companies now strive for absolutely maximum profit production under socialism would strive for the most efficient use of resources. This means The more people you hire doesn't mean it cuts into your profits but it does mean that more can be produced. Under capitalism people are only able to acquire what they need by purchasing them with money that they've earned by selling their labor. If someone is unable to sell their labor they are on able to survive without any assistance. Under socialism people would be provided for based on their needs which means that they would be provided housing food and health care simply because they need it. The myth that people will only work if they are threatened with poverty is completely untrue and spread by those who is interest it is to keep capitalism around. With socialism homelessness poverty and a lot of crime that is related to poverty would be a thing of the past.
I believe this can be implemented in many different ways. The first of which would be a gradual transition by having more and more privately owned companies restructured as worker cooperatives. The reason that socialist revolutions often have to resort to violence is not because they are inherently violent but because those in power refuse to give up power without violence. what do you think would happen if millions of people took to the streets demanding that CEOs and boards of executives turn control over their companies to the workers? What has happened in the past and what will continue to happen is that police or the military will come and break up the protest.
As long as structures exist in power that sole purpose is to hold up the status quo a.k.a. capitalism it will be less and less likely that a socialist revolution could take place without any blood shed. This is an unfortunate truth that sadly cannot be avoided.
Like I said I've gotta get going now, but check out the socialist starter pack at r/socialism101 and feel free to (respectfully because we always get trolls) ask questions there that you have about socialism. You'll find most of your questions have already been answered.
boom456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll, whilst you have given me a better understanding of what socialism incarnate may be, you have not convinced me as to how it would be beneficial. I see no way in which a communal ownership of a private entity would make any real difference, yes the factory worker will own more shares of the company perhaps But that doesn't mean that he'll be any better off. Not to mention that the higher level of democratic ownership could slow down potential progress, due to (for lack of a better word) bureaucracy. Perhaps other social policies implemented by the state could provide to people's needs better however I don't see how communal ownership of companies could fund all these things when they're not solely interested in profits and more interested in providing for their labourers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cured.
I know it's too big of a shot but I've been frequenting the children's hospital in my city (I donate blood) and I'd give half of my existence to have kids there (and of course, anyone) saved.
I want to see de-extinction on a massive scale. I what to go to "Pleistocene Park" and see Smilodon, Mammoths, Terror Birds, etc. Some Russia dude already has land for a pleistocene rewilding effort
I want to see the discovery of life on Enceladus, Europa, and/or Mars. At the very least I want is to have thoroughly explored the worlds to find out.
And since I can't have a lightsaber due to the laws of physics... can I have a Zat?
I'd love to see the next innovation in vehicular travel. The past would tell you hover cars would be the future but that's a stupid silly idea for multiple reasons. Basically I want to see what comes after self driving vehicles, or at least see that perfected
Fully legalize and normalize child-adult relationships. I think it's time for people to stop being so close-minded when it comes to these issues and to finally accept facts , not "muh feelingans" as an excuse to avoid reality.
miz578 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of business as usual in politics.
-End of the drug war.
-End of corporate campaign donations.
-End of the 2 party puppet show
-No more militarized police patrolling black neighborhoods
-No more civil forfetuire
-Sunset clause for any new law passed
-Term limits on all political positions
-And the list goes on...
SWG2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer, HIV, diabetes and Donald Trump impeached and a national health care system in this country that works.
Whats kinda funny is that most the top comments are already done or capable of being done but because of capitalism and government secrecy, most of us believe that we haven't done or been able to do that stuff yet. Ie: we've most definitely found and interacted with life forms not from earth, we most definitely already have free energy for everyone, we most definitely could go to mars right now if those certain people weren't so secretive about the proper technology that most definitely exists. You can pretend like none of this exists but its been proven time after time that it does...the world is just full of evil people who want to milk every penny that we have in every stage of technology first.
I wonder why this comment is downvoted? I sincerely answered a question that was asked of me, am I not contributing to the discussion in a productive way?
Yes, because nutritional deficiencies never arise in meat eaters, also meat eaters have incredibly low occurrences of chronic disease compared to vegans, and there are no such thing as vegan athletes totally makes sense
What makes you think veganism will result in nutritional deficiencies? The federal department of health has acknowledged that veganism is healthy for all stages of human life.
The food pyramid is from the USDA. I pulled up the old pyramid booklet and it states that the pyramid is a guide, not a rigid plan. Also, their new version is Choose My Plate and they've changed it quite a bit.
marx2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't agree with the door panic, which doesn't have anything to do with the department of health, therefore anything the department of health States you disagree with?
Sound logic
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's two of many good reasons:
1) Needlessly harming sentient beings is morally wrong
2) Animal agriculture is the leading cause of environmental damage
I'd be happy to discuss either of these.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I understand morality is subjective, but animal rights is a logical extension of human rights. To needlessly deny sentient animals the right to life but give that to humans is logically inconsistent. Do you think that it's okay to needlessly kill humans? I'll assume you don't. Then what makes you think it's okay to needlessly kill sentient animals? What is the difference in animals that if present in humans would make it okay to needlessly kill us?
What makes you think that vegans must lack nutrients? There are literally millions of vegans around the world including athletes, body builders, and strong men. Actually, a German, vegan strongman currently holds two strongman world records. Just google if veganism is healthy you will see it is widely accepted as healthy by our government and scientific communities.
356afan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realise we have all this land we raise animals on to kill and eat them? If we all went vegan we wouldn't need cows and the like. We'd want to build on that land. So apart from a few cows at the zoo we would just kill off the rest to reclaim the land.
A society that doesn't acknowledge religion. We'd all be better of just being decent human beings to each other because it's the right thing to do instead of solely with the promise of some sort of better afterlife.
Edit: Bring on the downvotes religious zealots.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a society that dictates what the people should believe? What could go wrong?
marx2k ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't see anything about dictation in ops comment. Must have missed it
The elimination of superstitious thinking. People wanting to help each other now and not trying to run other people's lives by books written long ago by imaginary gods.
I scanned through the top six hundred and didn't see it:
A full exposure and accounting of all the crimes and misdemeanors of the Trump Crime Family resulting in the seizure of all their assets (foreign an domestic) and their incarceration.
To have that kind of extreme flagrant disregard of the tenets of our legal system, leveraging it to bully and steamroll illegal actions is unconscionable.
To have this family running our great nation is a wound that needs the kind of healing that involves a full accounting of their actions and the full measure of the law used to issue consequences, in order to set an example for all those who hide behind their money to avoid them in this country.
Why is it that you expect me to prove my point when it is you and your ideology that have lost? The burden of proof, as of November 2016, rests on your shoulders, not mine.
Yes my opinion is subjective as are all opinions. If we must speak of claims, then I must remind you that the initial claim was you stating that the Trump family is corrupt and criminal. Sounds like you have more to prove than me. Regardless, feel free to reply again if you so strongly feel the need to have the last say; as if that makes you be the winner of this quasi-argument. Stay true and MAGA fellow patriot.
If we must speak of claims, then I must remind you that the initial claim was you stating that the Trump family is corrupt and criminal. Sounds like you have more to prove than me.
Corrupt: having or showing a willingness to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
You are sure that this does not apply to his actions over the decades of his very public exploits?
Criminal: informal (of an action or situation) deplorable and shocking.
You are sure that this does not apply to his actions over the decades of his very public exploits?
It is a subjective marker, but as you know Extraordinary Claims require Extraordinary Evidence. My subjective marker is the repeated statements by him in public, print, video along with the many court cases that back my opinion that he is both criminal and corrupt.
fibonacci_11235 clearly indicated they were not interested in letting me know what objective evidence there was that Donald J Trump is an honest law abiding virtuous individual, yet you're asking me to supply evidence that he is not?
Am I missing out living in an odd world where statements by him in the media and in court have been such that they reveal a paragon of virtue?
But is it wrong? Clinton foundation funds paid for Chelsea's wedding, money that was donated by foreign governments during the time Clinton was in office. Name me something trump has done that is even on the spetrum of that
A black hole isn't really a hole at all, but instead a pin-point of almost immeasurable mass. The reason it appears as a hole is because all light traveling near it gets pulled in. But really there's a sphere just like any planet or star.
Just everyone getting along. World Peace, I suppose. It's so depressing hearing about people hate/hurt/kill other people. Sure, we all have differences of opinion but it's just all so exhausting.
Commercialized teleportation via molecular rearrangement chambers that are linked wirelessly. Wanna visit Sweden? Sure! Just buy your tele-tickets online, head to your nearest teleportation station and off you go!
Cancer (fuck), alzheimers (also fuck), man on mars, have already been covered. I think I want the biggest one figured out: poverty and income inequality. We need to figure out some sort of universal basic income or something.
Mosquitoes that spread desease need to become extinct.
bordone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peaceful revolution in the U.S. that results in amending our constitution to be completely rewritten. New form of government removes the Representative aspect. Also Florida and most of the south being swallowed up by the ocean AKA the one good aspect of global warming.
Some way of linking minds together and creating a way of speaking to each other faster and more efficient and not having to explain everything because of little misunderstanding or incorrect use of language, speak using emotion through a kind of Telepathy Edit: telepathy not telekinesis
Lillera ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people actually talk to each other. Really talk to each other. We all pass by each other every day, exchanging fake smiles and small talk. No one really sits down and talks to someone they don't know. We don't know anything about each other, we all pretend to like each other so we can move on with our day, and it's not natural. We should be able to connect and share our real feelings, our real experiences and dreams. Be truthful about your life or how you feel with others. People just seem like they don't want to talk to other people. It's rare that I meet a stranger and we actually can have a conversation about something other than typical topics. You rarely connect like that with other people, because other people close their connections. I want to see togetherness.
I'd love to see the first person step onto Mars. Watching footage of the Moon landings makes me tear up every time, and it would be be so incredible to watch someone set foot on another planet!
The movement toward people eating a more plant-based diet, and less consumption of animal products. Animal agriculture is simply not sustainable for our environment and is destroying our planet at a rapid rate. Check out the documentary "Cowspiracy" on Netflix. This documentary puts into perspective how destructive this industry is on our environment.
I would like to see a post-economic system where the costs of goods and services is near zero, the non-zero part of their value is automated, so that everyone can have their material needs met.
A cure for cancer. One of my mother's friends passed away from bile duct cancer in 2010, and another friend suffered from brain cancer. I don't want to see anyone else suffer.
I'd like to see an end to racism and homophobia. It's impractical, there are always gonna be stupid/hateful people whose brains are incapable of tolerating people different than them, but it'd be nice if we could AT LEAST reach a point where being homophobic or racist was so socially unacceptable, that no one would ever dare be open about it.
Fully self driving cars with all the bells and whistles. Being able to jump in the car friday night after work fall asleep and be two states over when you wake up. Weekend trips will be a whole different game.
locmew ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:45:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonies in other star systems, out of the milky way. If we expand out to enough new planets, humanity will only end when the universe's heat death occurs, which is a long way out
The universal abolishment of the animal slaughter meat industry. Eventually, humanity will realize that raising, slaughtering and eating animals is horrible on many levels.
I'd like to see a male to female trans person suck their own dick, then legally marry themselves and hyphenate their name so it's the same last name twice.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:10:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no human achievement. I couldn't care less ... the sooner we become extinct the better and I'm sure other species will have an easier time.
Fuck humans.
I want to witness someone visiting a new galaxy, or an alien lifeform...and then fuck it. And I'd be like, "There he goes. Homeboy fucked a Martian once."
I would like to see the powerful nations gather up their leaders and politicians, line them up against a wall, and machinegun them until nothing is left besides a fine red mist.
Lol rather live in blissful ignorance eh? Well dont worry VR technology is advancing at a good pace thanks to freearket capitalism. Eventually you will either realise that socialism doesnt work or slip on some VR goggles and live in a fanatsy land. So hey at least you have options.
Fulfill the Great commission in my generation. By going and preaching the Gospel to the unreached and unengaged people groups so we can see the return of Jesus!
Every single country in the world agreeing on one single and big treaty to end hunger,wars and all other harmful things all around the world to work together on human advancement and exploration of space.
Making peace run forever and working together about all problems to find solutions for every problem in the world and solving it.
People getting rid of their arrogance and ignorance.
Dumb people dying to natural selection.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imperialism dictates the existence of oppressor and oppressed nations. There can be only harmful things while capital reigns supreme.
Anarchy. It's a shame I'm not confident in it happening
_Xon4_ ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 12:48:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex rights for children.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you are trolling
_Xon4_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My account history might offer more insight.
In short, no.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those beliefs are truely disgusting. Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, it is a mental disorder. Please seek help as it is a treatable mental condition
_Xon4_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please look at this comment chain before judging me
Also
/ mental disorder
No, you are attracted to another human being = sexual orientation
/ treatable mental condition
You can not treat pedophilia in the same way you can't treat homosexuality. This is common knowledge please look it up. This statement isn't even up for debate it's a fact.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:44:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one has a right to molest an underage child. The child's consent is irrelevant. If a bunch of pediphiles get blue balls I really don't give a shit
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking about getting crushes and kissing. I'm talking about sexual interaction.
No one, regardless of consent, should have sex with a child. Ever.
Also, you use the > to quote, dumbass
_Xon4_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/ I'm not talking about getting crushes and kissing. I'm talking about sexual interaction.
It is a natural progression no matter the age. If children see other people having sex (which they would if it wasn't a more taboo thing than violence or gore on tv and in society) they would imitate the exact same behaviour.
Besides that why do you think kissing is not a sexual interaction? It is just of non penetrative nature and therefore carries no risk of physical harm. Which is optimal for children. I didn't get the impression that you've actually read through my link so I'll keep mentioning that.
/ Also, you use the > to quote
I know, but I don't have it on my mobile keyboard ๐
/ Dumbass
Turning this into an emotional argument wont make you look better.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone has a level of mental instability that makes them a threat to society, which describes active pediphilia, they need to be institutionalized.
I didn't think I had to define sexual interaction, but I guess I do. Anything that touches or sees genitalia or female breasts for the purpose of sexual arousal is sexual interaction. This should never ever happen in Children. Regardless of consent.
I've read your link. You are trying to justify pedophilia on the basis of mutual consent, and the fact that they desire it. So should we make murder legal? After all, some people get sexual arousal from murder, and so if the person consents what's the problem?
I really don't care how I look. I'm pretty sure any sane person agrees pediphilia is disgusting, wrong, and should always be illegal.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One world government.
boom456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What advantages do you think this would bring, and do you think people would accept this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd be that much closer to making firefly a reality.
All joking aside - I don't believe people would accept this in the slightest but I think it's acceptable to say that people generally don't do what's best for others.
Regardless of potential advantages - it's the future and I'd love to see it in my lifetime. Ulysses Grant once said; "I believe at some future day, the nations of the earth will agree on some sort of congress which will take cognizance of international questions of difficulty and whose decisions will be as binding as the decisions of the Supreme Court are upon us"
He's just one individual quoted saying as such. The world is an incredibly small space and it's divided by things that don't really matter in the long run. People get rich by pitting people against each other. Coke vs Pepsi - Republican vs Democrat - Israel vs Palestine - North America vs Europe. What have you. I yearn for a day when it ends.
boom456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heavily disagree that it's the future, based almost solely on the fact that no-one would accept it, as such I doubt anyone will build that future.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heavily disagree that it's the future
I think it's unavoidable. Regardless of who agrees with it or not.
no-one would accept it
It's amazing what people as a whole have accepted as the norms. Religion - Nation-states - What's morally good and bad. Who's morally good and bad. What's food and what's not food. People accept crazy shit all time time.
I doubt anyone will build that future.
I flew almost exactly half way across the world in half a day recently. It's a small world. The 180 or whatever countries are no different than the historical idea of clans or tribes. They eventually will merge or die. I'd love it in my lifetime but we're still a few centuries off.
boom456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying I don't think it'll be the future because it isn't what people want. People accept religion, nation-states, morality, etc. Because they view them as good and productive things, hence they want these things. However I don't think people like the idea of a one world government, therefore I doubt it will manifest
Edit: obviously I'm talking about in the next 10 or so decades, further down the road, who are either of us to say what our descendants may want
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the crux of your suggestions are that it won't work because what people want or don't want. I am countering that I think that people are so easily manipulated that they can have their minds changed swiftly. Regardless I agree that it won't happen in my lifetime. It will eventually happen regardless of what people want. Thx for the convo!
metalzip ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heaving the Elon Musk's Hyperloop explode (implode) and ripple with the speed of sound all along his 600 mile track, teaching his smug ass not every crazy idea is in fact good.
lordpete ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Montreal Canadiens win the stanley cup
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total atomic annhilation.
dstoo42 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once self-driving vehicles become the norm, the driverless feature will become a dirt-cheap addition to new cars while some future-millionaires will figure out how to retroactively fit the feature to older models.
Soon, entire cities will only allow self-driving cars on public roads. Racetracks and private roads will blow up in popularity as people engage in manual driving as a hobby.
This could save over a million lives per year, speed up travel exponentially, and give riders all of the benefits of not having to do anything in the car without all the worry of non-self-driving cars on the same road.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's this simple I have found on why self-driving cars will never be able to fully replace human drivers . Answer me this: What happens when the sensors, or the equipments, or the instruments of the car are broken or malfunctioned?If the "self-driving" software is unable to work at all, should we forbid a qualified human driver from taking the wheel?
Then, just like if anything else malfunctioned, the car would need to be towed.
IamBili ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suppose this scenario:
The car has the option be driven either by a human through steering wheels, pedals, and other UI equipments, or by a self-driving software
A number of failures, that can't be quickly fixed, happens that prevents the self-driving software from driving the car, but do not prevent a human to do so;
The car and the person is in the middle of nowhere, where towing services, or "car replacements" are unavaliable
In such scenarios, can you argue against the person "taking the wheel", and driving the car by himself/herself?
The thing about that is that it's a massive bottleneck. If you have to teach a new driver to drive in emergency situations, you have to teach them the whole curriculum as well, but also add on that cars around them will now be going double the speed they do now. The manual driver suddenly becomes a loose screw in an almost perfect machine.
If driving is FULLY automated, many of those listed issues would be equalized.
The efficiency of self-driving towing trucks will be much better, so there wouldn't really be much of a shortage. Hell, you might not even need to dispatch a human, just the truck.
Failsafes would be in place for a sudden system crash. Cars around them will reroute in unison to avoid the car if it absolutely cannot drive itself off the road and into a parking lot/shoulder for whatever reason.
If its a software issue, which would be priority one in self-driving cars and rare, then a simple technician dispatch would be enough...or just call a self-driving Uber and leave your car. Parking won't really be a problem if self-driving cars just stay mobile or can stack in those tiny car garages, so a malfunctioned car should be fine until the truck gets there. People growing up with self-driving cars will learn about basic diagnostics like resetting the onboard computer too.
IamBili ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:38:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you read this specific part of my argument?
The car and the person is in the middle of nowhere, where towing services, or "car replacements"(services) are unavaliable
The situation you've described is the same situation one would have now if any major car part malfunctioned. Even today you can get a tow truck or some form of Uber no matter where you are in the US, but likely at a (very) steep price if you're in the middle of nowhere. Also this is such a rare situation that why would you compromise the entire system because some idiot got stranded in the middle of unpopulated nowhere with no means of getting themselves out if that situation?
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even today you can get a tow truck or some form of Uber no matter where you are in the US, but likely at a (very) steep price if you're in the middle of nowhere.
The possibility of not getting either exists, and in such cases, I ask you again: "can you argue against the person "taking the wheel", and driving the car by himself/herself?"
Also this is such a rare situation that why would you compromise the entire system because some idiot got stranded in the middle of unpopulated nowhere with no means of getting themselves out if that situation?
The group of people you just have called to be "idiots" are farmers, lumberjacks, herders, fishers, miners, oil drillers, etc, whose lives and needs are more important than of city-dwellers, as city-dwellers depends on them for too many things
Such situation will not be rare among them, and it will affect them a lot
The possibility of not getting either exists, and in such cases, I ask you again: "can you argue against the person "taking the wheel", and driving the car by himself/herself?"
I already said this is a problem people already have when their car breaks down.
You're talking about an extremely unlikely and extremely specific situation where not only has the most important and protected piece of the car (the brain) malfunctioned (but not enough to where the person can't manually drive the car), but also it has happened in the middle of nowhere where there is no coverage from what would be a rapidly growing industry of self-driving tow trucks. And you're also claiming there is no solution to this person's dilemma, yet there definitely are emergency services for this situation.
So yes, I can argue against a person needing to go through all of the steps and ongoing steps required to become a licensed driver so that they can manually drive in that specific situation instead of calling emergency services.
The group of people you just have called to be "idiots" are farmers, lumberjacks, herders, fishers, miners, oil drillers, etc, whose lives and needs are more important than of city-dwellers, as city-dwellers depends on them for too many things
Such situation will not be rare among them, and it will affect them a lot
I think you need to look up what "public roads" means.
Also:
farmers, lumberjacks, herders, fishers, miners, oil drillers, etc, whose lives and needs are more important than of city-dwellers
What in the fuck?
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So yes, I can argue against a person needing to go through all of the steps and ongoing steps required to become a licensed driver so that they can manually drive in that specific situation instead of calling emergency services.
So, are you arguing that it is better for them to be stuck on the road, barefoot, with an useless car, than letting them take the "immense" risk of driving the car by themselves? What if they're in the middle of the desert, and they're more at risk of dying by insolation if they walk to the nearest gas station than at risk of dying by driving the car themselves to the gas station?Would you prefer them to die right there than taking the "immense" risk of dying by driving their own cars, with air-conditioner?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Race is a social construct. Your failings are no ones fault but your own, whatever in your life you blame on "the jews" is your fault and your fault alone. You are a failure because of you.
It wasn't a rebuttal. I was laughing at you. You can't detect social constructs via dna, skull size, the bacteria that live in a person's mouth, etc. Why do social constructs matter when you go for a bone marrow transplant? The "race is a social construct" argument is purely political and not based in science or reality. If stupid shit like that comes out of your mouth, you are either a peddler of cultural marxism and a danger to society and will be killed when more people wake up to what you're doing, or, more likely, you're a victim of lies and too stupid to think for yourself.
Race doesnt matter with bone marrow transplants, compatibility to white blood cell matters professor, skull size? are you talking Phrenology? the racially motivated pseudo science debunked almost a century ago. I dont peddle shit but my bicycle home boy, I just hate seeing morons like you with no self awareness peddle that stormfront bullshit. Also most bacteria in your mouth is caused by outisde environmental forces, you probably have to take more classes from your Prof. Alex Jones. Everything in life is political, every choice you make is inherently political. Also you are a herb, and all of your failings are still only your fault.
Race does matter with bone marrow transplants. No, I am not talking about phrenology. I am talking about the fact that you can determine someone's race by the size of their skull. I know you don't peddle it, you just believe nonsense because you're stupid. Alex Jones doesn't talk about this stuff, you utter moron. You're just a cliche spouting retard who knows next to nothing about these topics. Also, no one says herb anymore. "all of your failings are still only your fault": another cliche. Try having an original thought for once.
so you are talking entirely about phrenology. And no race does not matter in bone marrow transplants, whit blood cell and HLA compatibility matters almost all people can interdonate between ethnicities. Just because you read a bunch of pseudo science articles linked to from the stormfront twitter doesn't make you educated on the facts of the matter. Yet again, all your failings are your fault and you will get nowehere because you take no responsibility for how your shitty attitude reflects upon yourself, Your horrible life is your own fault. Sometimes cliches ring true.... you herb.
"My arguments don't hold water, so I'm going to take swipes at your physical appearance" Thank you for reminding me I'm discussing things with a white nationalist...... also you are still a herb.
All my arguments hold water. If you can determine someone's race from their dna, then race is not a social construct, the debate is over, and the only thing left to do is laugh at your hands.
Yet again you are wrong, you have always been wrong and deep down I think you know it... and go ahead laugh at my hands, that is a really strange way you choose to use your time little homey. Every argument you have made has fallen apart and pretty quickly at that. I am done screaming at a wall though so I'm gonna go take my dog for a walk. I hope you eventually get the help you need and become a productive member of your community. You herb.
You can determine someone's race through their dna. This will be true no matter how many times you say it isn't. You are a stupid person with stupid tattoos on your hands.
Did you link to the same 23 and me that was sued for misleading people about the accuracy of there tests? (https://www.slashgear.com/23andme-class-action-lawsuit-claims-misleading-advertisements-02307357/). Most non pop scienteists agree that DNA testing for direct racial accuity is bullshit. You pedantic herb. I'd rather have stupid tattoos, than an inability to take personal responsibility for all my failings.... you know, like a white nationalist. Watching you flail and scream about my hands is funny and all but I really do have to take my dog out.
Yes, that 23andMe. The one that can determine your race by your dna. It is a fact that you can determine race by dna. Also by skull size, bone structure, and the bacteria that lives in your mouth. The police do it https://twitter.com/mcpnews/status/877944070932508672. Live in reality, wigger.
And I just saw your Instagram. Scrawny gingers with shitty tattoos like you don't get to call people herbs.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. Look. At. Your. Fucking. Hands. Oh my fucking god. I'm arguing with someone who has tattooed hands and uses the word herb. Lay off the weed, dude. This made my day. Thanks.
You likely know very little about either. You just know they're bad, gross, eww, yucky. It's a preconditioned response, and you're too stupid to realize it.
Great job jumping to conclusions. I would debate with you why I believe what I said, though given your stance on the topic I doubt it would get me anywhere, though I am curious, why/how do you believe the Holocaust is a fabrication, and, since you said my disdain for antisemitism is "preconditioned", what is YOUR reasoning for hating Jewish people? Genuinely curious.
I believe the holocaust is a lie because there is no physical evidence that it happened. We believe it happened because the communists said so. And I don't "hate" Jewish people. The fact that you think my comment means I hate Jewish people is more evidence of your preconditioning. If you're genuinely curious about the topic, then read Culture of Critique. It's a complicated topic and not something I can really explain to you here, especially since you exhibit signs of preconditioning that will be very difficult to get through.
nwhiking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:25 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The communists said so??? You've concluded it's a lie because of communists... Solid research. You're ready to read some bullshit but deny the actual stories of what happened by people who survived and perished in this tragic event. You're hate speech is evident in all of your negative comments.
Hoverboards. Imagine how cool it would be to hover around on streets.
Henry2k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A U.S. President get impeached. I don't mean just technically impeached like Bill Clinton was. I mean like forcibly removed from office kicking and screaming "all you did was weaken a country today" "the major news outlets are fake news" "waaa waaa waaaa". Well, not just any U.S. President, a very orange one in particular. I'm foaming in my pants just thinking about it.
Do you not see the irony in your statement? You're making generalizations about a group of people who supposedly use generalizations to hate against those who are gay, of different races, ethnicities, etc. You're logic is every bit as flawed and bigoted as actual racism, homophobia and misogyny.
End of abortion. Not just by making it illegal on moral grounds, but making them unnecessary by taking care of healthcare for pregnant woman their children.
I do find contraception immoral (though based on religious views, so I wouldn't really call for making it illegal). Abortion is immoral because it kills a unique individual who is at no fault.
You're a part of Canada, and it's not just you who has a say here, it's the rest of Quebec. It's been voted on before, and lost. You have self-determination as a province. Why is that not good enough?
When you loose by 0,1%, it doesn't put an issue aside. Canada was supposed to be a confederation, which I would be okay with, but it has become an ever now centralised federation.
There is a clear identity problem and, even though the movement has lost its momentum, it was not translated by an identity shift towards Canada.
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FiloRen ยท 1269 points ยท Posted at 13:45:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eye transplants for people who are blind, or at least retinal transplants.
My boyfriend is blind due to a degenerative disease called X-linked Retinitis Pigmentosa. Being able to receive a transplant for this would, obviously, be life changing.
There isn't any treatment or cure for his blindness, so he doesn't even like going to the eye doctor just to hear "Yep, you're a little more blind today than you were yesterday and there's nothing we can do about it."
chaotic_silence ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 04:28:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather has RP, and it's been an interesting 10 years since his vision really started going. About 5 years ago I was standing in his kitchen and he walked right into me, which was emotionally jarring. He still lives on his own and travels frequently.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 06:49:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh, and that'll be $80 for the appointment"
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 04:21:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I wouldn't go to the ophthalmologists either. Just take my cool stick and buy a bitchin pair of sunnies and call it a day. I'm so sorry that's happening to him. We are making huge strides in prosthetics though so maybe one day he will at least have access to affordable shitty monochromatic terminator Vision. No joke we are working on bypassing the eye and tapping right into occipital lobe. He's lucky to have you in his life, you obvioiusly care a great deal. Don't lose hope y'all, you'll live long enough to experience at least some sort of solution to this one, I'd place a good bet on it.
NotA_PrettyGirl ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 07:31:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are pretty darn close to this being a possibility actually. They may not result in perfect vision but I'm betting it won't be too many more years before we see a successful attempt at this.
DraculaBranson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:48:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anophthalmia
read this earlier and that would be great to have working eye transplants
Skankz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:48:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An ex-colleagues BF had two eye transplants or something a long the lines of. It might be different since he wasn't actually blind, I don't know the details or how it works but are you 100% sure there's nothing he can do? When was the last time you were vigilant with researching the matter? Hopefully something has changed since you last looked and your BF can be helped. I hope you find something.
FiloRen ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:20:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am 100% sure they can not do full eye transplants, or retinal transplants. We are very vigilant and go to seminars when they're offered in our area for free by the Foundation for Fighting Blindness.
The only transplants available are CORNEA transplants which is not connected at all to the optic nerve.
Skankz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:58:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok perhaps it was a cornea transplant then. Thought I'd mention it just incase it was in some way helpful.
Ja5un ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:27:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if it's a genetic disorder like that we may be able to fix it quite quickly if it was detected and screened for in the embryotic stages
FiloRen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:22:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't be fixed if it was detected in embryonic stages. He knew he was going to have it, his grandfather had it and his mom passed it to him because she's a carrier. All of his brothers have it as well. It's not fixable.
Ja5un ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:02:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it linked to a chromosome it would be relatively easy to correct the gene by either removing the vestigial gene or repair it rather than transplanting eyes. What could be viable is a bionic implant but for the condition your speaking about it sounds degenerative so might be hard but it is viable in the near future (maybe like 10 years) to cure these diseases before they even arise. I believe scientist have already done it with a specific heart condition but don't quote me on that one
FiloRen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:17:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for the sentiments but you're definitely over simplifying a very complicated issue, lol. Like I said before, there is currently no treatment or cure. Feel free to research it, it's called X-Linked retinitis pigmentosa. Common known as RP.
dndtweek89 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:54:46 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an X-linked condition as well (not RP), and what JaSun is talking about is one of the more promising treatments in development. Gene replacement therapy is nowhere near viable, but it will most likely be a form of treatment for these conditions.
esenozbay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:53:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read in an Oliver Sacks book that a guy's blindness was cured relatively later in life (30s I think) and although he could see he couldn't tell things for what they were or tell if something was close or far away. Apparently his vision center in his brain never developed, and it was too late to properly learn to see. I just thought eye transplants might not work in cases where the sight was impaired from birth.
Jepstromeister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be great for people who were previously able to see, or for people who still see a little. For completely blind people like me this would be one big great hell.
icycreamy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:27 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you looked at AGTC's clinical trials?
blubbfix ยท 7653 points ยท Posted at 12:17:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mastering artificial fusion - basically "unlimited" energy for everybody.
staypuftmichelinman ยท 1198 points ยท Posted at 14:38:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get 100% efficiency converting mass to energy.
urasinner ยท 136 points ยท Posted at 15:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can do this now... it's called antimatter.
gonne ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 15:37:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still incredibly hard/expensive to produce antimatter in large enough quantities to even consider that as an option.
molrobocop ยท 96 points ยท Posted at 16:51:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just produce, but also store. It annihilates on contact with pretty much everything near us.
Or imagine you figure out a way to store it in a stable manner. Don't let that containment fail, otherwise even a few atoms will let out a shitload of energy.
technon ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 16:59:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's really not that much energy in a few atoms. The annihilation of a proton and antiproton releases 1.88 GeV of energy, which is about 3x10-10 Joules.
molrobocop ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 17:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scale is so small, it's hard for me to get a perspective.
Wiki article on antimatter weapons says a 10E-9 gram of it would be equivalent to about 378 grams of TNT.
But that's still a huge number of atoms, numerically speaking.
aaron0043 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 19:06:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A huge number of atoms isn't a lot of mass to us humans, though. 1 g of pure calcium contains about 3x10E23 protons. Annihilation of that matter with its respective antimatter would thus yield about 90 TJ of energy, or over 20 kt of TNT
Ed_ButteredToast ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:40:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember this tid bit that a paper pin worth of antimatter can destroy our entire NYC. Is this evenly remotely accurate accurate?
Zulfiqaar ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 21:23:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont know the mass of a paper pin, but the hiroshima nuke is equal to 0.35 grams of antimatter annihilating with 0.35 grams of matter.
E = mc2 -----> 0.0007kg x 300,000,000ms-1 x 300,000,000ms-1 gives 63,000,000,000,000J
comrade_questi0n ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 21:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, a paper clip weighs about 1 gram. From what I have read, the annihilation of 1 gram of antimatter with 1 gram of matter would release about 1.8 x 1014 joules of energy, which is roughly equivalent to 43 kilotons of TNT.
If you detonated it in Washington Square Park in Lower Manhattan, it would destroy everything from Battery Park (lower tip of Manhattan) to 46th Street (where Times Square is). It would kill around 540,000 people and injure an additional 991,000. Those are estimates, obviously. Source.
So, it wouldn't completely destroy New York, but it would devastate Lower Manhattan.
Ed_ButteredToast ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:44:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omg how can i forget about http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ !! I found out about that site from Vsauce.
Also why the incognito tab in Safari? "Effect of 43 kilotonnes of TNT on NYC" does sound kinda incriminating lol
Thanks for the calculations!
comrade_questi0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem!
I always browse in private mode, no matter what I'm doing. I don't know why I do it, I've done it since I've had an iPhone for some reason haha.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:16:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ed_ButteredToast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:44:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe he likes the dark UI? Tbh, it does look good
Moonske17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean there's more to NY? I've been lied to all these years!
cardboardunderwear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally something I can understand
aaron0043 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without having put a lot of calculation effort into it: 1 g of calcium is about 2/3 of a cm3, which is probably more than a paper pin (judging by eye). The amount of energy released by annihilating that mass is roughly equivalent to 1,4 "Lil boy"s, the bomb that was dropped on and destroyed Hiroshima (if I remember correctly).
So the statement you quoted isn't far off. A factor that is most important to determine the energy released is the number of particle/antiparticle pairs which depends on the amount of protons, neutrons and electrons contained in such a paper clip. This, in turn, depends on what the clip is made out of.
nouille07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's quite a boom boom... Yeah let's go fusion !
casino_r0yale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:57 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well on the flipside, fusion bombs are literally the most powerful weapons ever detonated, by several orders of magnitude. I agree with you on "go fusion," but not because of a lower explosive threat.
nouille07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:58 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not that afraid of weaponisation, you CAN'T prevent that, it's just human nature, we will weaponize everything, having a safe reactor is good enough for me
sneutrinos ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:54:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also it takes just as much energy to produce antimatter as you get from annihilating it, so as a method of power generation it makes no sense. It's like trying to support yourself by buying $2 bills using two $1 bills.
flarestarwingz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not quite. It takes a lot of energy, but not more than the energy to create it (the matter already exists so we don't need energy to create that). So at the moment it's less efficient, but with time that could be worked around!
As a side note, the cost has come down a lot recently, due to advances in creating it from lasers, rather than particle bombardments.
sneutrinos ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No dude. You can't just create an antimatter particle. You need to create a matter-antimatter pair. It's called pair production. Look up the conservation of charge.
flarestarwingz ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:14:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks...I'm assuming I'm not quite right so I'll go have a read and make sure I'm more informed in future :-)
The_Bukkake_Ninja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:59:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck me, someone on Reddit actually doing what people do in real life conversations. I wish there were more people humble enough to accept they may not be right and go and read up more. Well done, keep on keeping on :)
SheeEttin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:06:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL how small an eV really is
cardboardunderwear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but if you get an ass load of them you're in business!
RepostThatShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:37:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah in the business of taking a load of electronvolts up your ass :/ source
biggyofmt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a mind blowing amount of energy for that small of a mass though. It's three orders of magnitude more energetic than nuclear fusion
NeuralNutmeg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:34:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just synthesize rare-earth magnets out of the antimatter and store them under vacuum inside normal magnets.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:59:45 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mechanus_Incarnate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 05:53:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real problem is that it takes exactly the same amount of energy to produce antimatter as the antimatter will eventually turn into. At best it is an extremely high density battery.
42TowelPacked ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 15:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom's an antimatter.
colusaboy ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 15:40:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom's sister is auntie-matter
kaeroku ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:20:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... you're saying she's not fat?
caramelchicken ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, she's antifat.
idontreadheadlines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this? ifat for an ant?
seashoreandhorizon ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:41:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your mom's made of so many strings she's a yarn factory
the_Demongod ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:22:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Antimatter is only an energy transport tool, you had to have made that antimatter earlier which involves more energy than you get from it, and even if you could break even you could only ever break exactly even and no more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NeuralNutmeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not doubling your energy because in a closed system you can only convert half your available matter into antimatter. Also you need to add energy to matter to convert it, which in a closed system is going to come from the normal matter.
Your example just shows that you don't have to be carrying the normal matter around with you, you can grab it from the environment.
cardboardunderwear ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:15:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I happen to have some normal matter right here in my pocket tho
urasinner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:18:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...as is everything.
Energy/matter (one and the same per Einsteins mass-energy equivalency) cannot be created or destroyed, only moved about.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but what's your point?
With anti matter, we have to take our own energy, make it, and then we just get our energy back.
But existing matter holds energy that isn't ours, it came from stars, so to us, it is basically free energy, because we didn't have to do the work to get it.
The same way a free lunch is free, someone had to pay for it, but not us, so it's free.
Antimatter is basically buying a lunch, and then selling it to someone else for no profit.
dragon-storyteller ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:03:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not relevant at all. We can 'make' electricity by burning coal, or by turning sunlight into it, but you can't just mine antimatter to make turn into electricity. You have to make it first, and then you annihilate it and lose some energy to neutrinos and other processes. /u/the_Demongod is right, antimatter is more like a battery than a source of electric energy.
Luggash ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:30:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think retrieving energy in form of electricity from antimatter is anywhere near. From what I know, we are closer to fusion reaction. Correct me if you know more.
urasinner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh we cannot collect it, no, didn't mean to imply that.
dinsbumms ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 15:36:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually impossible. Forever.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No? Antimatter and matter collisions release energy which we can harness. Creating our own antimatter to then get the energy back out of it would be pointless besides maybe as a battery, but if somewhere in the universe has some anti matter for us to collect it could be used as fuel.
sneutrinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:55:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there was any source of natural antimatter in the universe it would immediately annihilate with normal matter.
SheeEttin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Space is mostly empty. A particle can go a long way without hitting anything.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct. But who's to say there aren't places with purely antimatter that never interacts with normal matter?
sneutrinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it's possible, but most likely not. I don't know any process that would produce large amounts of isolated antimatter floating in space.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:43:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same process that would produce large amounts of isolated matter floating in space.
There is no proven difference between matter and antimatter, it's the same thing in isolation. You could call our matter anti matter, and call anti matter 'matter' and it would mean the same thing. Just like North and South on a magnet, there's nothing inherently different about them besides them being inverses of each other.
And the fact that we only seem to see normal matter in the universe is a big mystery, and it hints towards some difference between normal and antimatter, but we don't have any proof of it.
sneutrinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. There's a fundamental asymmetry between matter and antimatter that is unexplained by conventional physics. At some fraction of a second after the Big Bang, more matter was produced than antimatter, and all the antimatter was annihilated. How any could have survived is beyond me.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't know that though. That's basically just a reasonable guess at best.
Maybe there's nothing wrong with antimatter, and we don't understand the big bang properly.
xereeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uh the big bang
Richex112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
sneutrinos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It takes just as much energy to make antimatter in the first place as you get from annihilating it. There's no point.
Jack_Krauser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:13:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is definitely a point, but that point isn't energy production.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:19:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't it take a lot of energy to produce antimatter?
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:56:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, exactly. Anti matter we make would be classified more as a battery than as a fuel. If somewhere in the universe there's a bunch of antimatter though, it would be good fuel.
dragon-storyteller ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:57:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Antimatter annihilation is only 50% efficient at most, though. It's more like a battery than a way to make energy.
Lord_Mackeroth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:19:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Antimatter isn't an energy source. You need to expend a lot of energy to make antimatter. When you smash it together with matter you're just getting that energy back out again (and probably wasted a lot due to inefficiencies in your manufacturing process). Its usefulness comes because it's a ridiculously dense energy storage method. The problem is actually storing it. Interestingly, it's theorised that some anti-atoms may be able to chemically bond with normal atoms without annihilating, forming a kind of matter/antimatter clay.
casualcollapse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you care to elaborate with an article
Lord_Mackeroth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:04:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231196361_Alternative_pathways_to_antimatter_containment
"Taking the molecular bound state idea mentioned above a step further, there may be trap designs which allow ordinary solid-state matter to be used as a โspongeโto store antimatter. The antimatter could be encapsulated in an ordinary matter matrix."
Alternative pathways to antimatter containment (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231196361_Alternative_pathways_to_antimatter_containment [accessed Aug 8, 2017].
jatjqtjat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It only counts if your net energy gain is positive. We can do fusion too, it just costs more energy then it produces.
urasinner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
xereeto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not efficient at all, since it takes way more energy to produce the antimatter than you get out of it.
king_falafel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont understand. Care to elaborate?
idontreadheadlines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I had no idea. TIL start trek is closer than i knew.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or OPs mom
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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dinsbumms ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually very simple. you can't gain energy by converting energy to mass to energy. it will never be possible.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this is the thing. Nothing is free.
The concept of free energy is just like a free lunch. Someone had to pay for it, just not us.
Making our own antimatter is just making your own lunch.
workingclasssam ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:43:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how can they turn it into 100% profit?
Shit_Negro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Data caps except for energy
workingclasssam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well shit negro, That's all you had to say!
Sounds about right though.
squiznard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you see, friction.
closes thermodynamics book
NBallersA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or energy to energy
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion isnโt doing that at all, of course.
bogzaelektrotehniku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much electricity do you think I can get for my burdened soul?
staypuftmichelinman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:46:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bout tree fiddy.
Piorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:18:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
continues to nuke NY with a 1$ Bill
WhoreScumHorseCum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:22 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's asking to break the second law of thermodynamics.
rockskavin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:35 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't see kuglblitz do the same thing?
jammerjoint ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 14:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You get what you pay for, and we haven't put jack shit into fusion research.
nate23401 ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 15:28:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited anything doesn't make money -- especially unlimited power.
Subrotow ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:31:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Data is unlimited look at those ISPs profits.
Internet isn't even something everyone needs. Power is pretty essential to life.
DarkestXStorm ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:57:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate ISPs with a burning passion. Those fuckers take our money for a shitty service and then HAVE THE FUCKING BALLS TO PASS A LAW WHERE THEY CAN SELL OUR PERSONAL INFO? Yeah, fuck that. Scum.
htmlcoderexe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:10:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More profit if it's limited, though, as Comcast already realised.
vvntn ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Data transfer is not unlimited.
Cables, satellites and routing equipment all have their own limitations, which constitute what we call bandwidth.
Yes, tier 1 projects are usually built with significant overcapacity, but that doesn't mean it's free or unlimited in any way, it's just smarter and more cost-effective to build infrastructure like that.
donjulioanejo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited anything makes you unlimited money if you're the first one on the market, since you don't have any costs.
Sell it 50% cheaper than a coal/nuclear company, and you essentially become a monopoly with comparatively negligible costs.
AnthAmbassador ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:34:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can sell it at 95% the cost of others and you have a total domination of the market.
In some places, you can sell it at 110% and say "it's green, carbon neutral buy our power and you save the planet, it just costs a little bit more, but it's worth it for the peace of mind."
Or you can get people to pass laws that tax "dirty power" and bring their costs up to 150% of current and then you can sell your clean power at 145% of current.
donjulioanejo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:20:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much, yeah. Which is why the whole "big pharma keeping cure for cancer secret to keep their profits up" is such bullshit.
AnthAmbassador ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know. If they could cure cancer, they would do it and just charge a fucking shit load for it. Especially if it was more pleasant than chemo, people would eat it up.
dashfish ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad that this is the case and it makes you think about when capitalism hits it's limits. Same with research into cures vs just treatments for diseases. What do you do when the right thing is not the smart thing?
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:34:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit you and I are on the same page. Let's research solutions to diseases and ways to prevent it instead of just pushing pills to cover up the symptoms. Currently, the medical industry is trying to create long term customers instead of solutions.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't put it all on medicine, they try to prevent a great deal of diseases, but patients often just won't comply. They've known for thousands of years...
Eat your veggies, don't smoke or drink, exercise, sugar in moderation, etc. My SO's a MD, a big cause of burnout is how they can try so hard to help people but their patients remain self-destructive. One patient she caught with a smuggled cheeseburger and sneaking cigarettes <24 hrs post surgery after she explicitly warned her that doing so might literally, irreversibly kill her.
TOO_DAMN_FAT ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:29:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the flip side, death isn't completely irreversible anymore!
BuyerCellarDoor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:17:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism is just a model that works pretty well in turning resource-rich, technology-poor societies into technology rich ones in a short amount of time. However it is abysmal in terms of equitable resource allocation in the end stage.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IBeBallinOutaControl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:02:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get out of here with that.
If a company could develop a controlled fusion reactor that could generate electricity using the hydrogen available in nature, they would be selling a huge amount of electricity without paying very much at all for their fuel. This creates a huge profit motive for fusion to be developed. And you guys are claiming that the free, unlimited hydrogen acts as a disincentive? You guys have it ass backwards.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:32:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems okay in spoken theory, but in reality, as it would require a huge investment to research and build a reactor, if it happened the company which developed the technology would instead create a monopoly by putting the other energy companies out of business, then increasing prices when there is no competition. Patents exist, and work to prevent competing businesses.
Pure capitalism simply doesn't work to progress society, instead, a mixed system (mixture of capitalist and socialist ideas) is necessary. It doesn't directly benefit capitalists to develop one-off cures instead of medications which need to be taken through a person's life; that's when scientists in publicly funded universities (which is part of the socialist thought) should research for themselves.
Once something which has been researched can be legally produced by a competent manufacturer in an industry with a low-barrier to entry, is when true competition begins. If something is researched by a company, during the patent term royalties could be forced increasing product prices, or the patent could be completely restricted. When a publicly funded university researches something, it's usually available for everyone.
ThickAsABrickJT ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:41:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. The reason fusion doesn't get much funding is because it hasn't had any commercially useful progress. From a business perspective, throwing any more money at it would be about as wise as buying lottery tickets--there's no guarantee when, if ever, it will pay out.
Wind, solar, hydroelectric, etc. provided useful results nearly from the start, meaning companies could actually expect a return on investment--so that's where the money went.
alex70991999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This doesn't seem to fit your username too well. I want my walls.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Mexico's going to pay for it, duh
Vecrin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except we are long past late stage capitalism. That term was used to explain why there was no global revolution in the 70s and 80s. We are already past late stage.
FifthDragon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You turn the right thing into the smart thing. Screw the rules
LiberalTerryN ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:17:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty of business models built on providing high fixed cost, low marginal cost product. Some of those businesses are quite lucrative. I can make unlimited phone calls on my cell phone for a fixed monthly rate. Same with landlines.
My cable TV subscription comes with unlimited media consumption โ I can leave my TV on for 24 hours a day, all 30 days of the billing period, and my cable bill will cost me the same as if I kept the TV turned off. I pay a monthly fee essentially based on my access to that infrastructure.
Why should energy economics be any different, even if energy itself becomes orders of magnitude cheaper to produce? We still need a power transmission and storage infrastructure, and that will still cost a lot of labor and materials to maintain.
gspleen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But with unlimited power we could mine so many Bitcoins!
AnthAmbassador ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such an ignorant answer. If you had a box that made infinite power, you could sell that power to anywhere that the cost of powerlines was lower than the cost of generation power locally.
If it was really safe, and you were the only one with it, you could set up in Tokyo, or NYC, or Paris, or whichever city agreed to let you take over their electrical grid, Paris or Berlin would probably be more interested than other cities, and then they stop making power, and you make all of it, and you get all the money that used to go to creating power through carbon means, and you get rich as fuck.
You're an idiot if you think there isn't money in infinite free power.
The real problem is that we cant make fusion productively. We are still researching it, and we are getting very very slow progress.
nate23401 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a pompous dick. You clearly have no idea how to win over the people you disagree with. Maybe I'm wrong to think what I do, but that's not the way to go about proving it if you're goal is to actually change my mind. Stay far away from /r/changemyview. You won't be getting any deltas anytime soon.
I believe there's no money in unlimited, infinite power because the discovery and implementation of such a tech capability might ultimately compromise the power industry's ability to engage in fair competition.
What entity, apart from either the U.S. military or an established power company, would be able to develop such a technology? If it originates from the private sector, then how will other companies compete with unlimited power?
If it happens and doesn't originate from the public sector, how will we avoid a monopoly on power?
Also, why would anyone funnel money into something that creates an outcome in which the vast and overwhelming majority of established power corporations and conglomerates stand to lose everything? Knowing of all the string-pulling that goes in behind closed doors in government, do you really think the buyers and the sellers are going to let that happen?
wenoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Patents do not protect you from governments. They tend to not give a shit about parents because they own the courts they will be sued in.
AnthAmbassador ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the exact reasons that Lockheed Martin is developing, supposedly a fusion reactor that can be transported by a big rig.
They know that if they get it running they can sell power in a wide variety of situations, including to the military, and they can make a shit ton of money.
We'll see if they deliver, and if it's truly fusion.
The reason why we don't have fusion is because it's not currently possible with the tech we have. We can make things that theoretically and even in practice create fusion, but we cant make one that is efficient enough that it produces more harvestable waste heat than it requires in power to generate containment fields.
There is some promising research into more complexity in containment fields that might make it work, but so far no one is making it work, because it's out of our technological grasp. Possibly because it's out of the realm of physical possibility on the scale that we are hoping to use it.
Regardless, I don't really care if I change the mind of some infantile prick who wants to condense the enormous complexity of the issue of "can we achieve productive fusion power," into "why would we make it there's no money in infinite free power."
There is nothing sensible in that statement. I don't know what you think a fusion generator is going to look like, but we'll be lucky if it's cheaper than current methods of generating for the first 30 or so years. It's not gonna be a magic fluffy box that loves you and makes power for free, it's going to be the most complex and technologically advanced mechanism on earth, which requires special materials, special oversight, exacting machining, and enormous power grid backing it up to fire up the first time, and a whole supply chain to bring the fuel to the reactor.
The promise isn't free power, it's power that we'll never see a future in which we can't put fuel in our generators.
TL;DR fusion wont be free, or even cheap, and if you want to make that argument you can fuck right off.
nate23401 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you an asshole on the internet alone, or are you as much of a disagreeable cunt in real life?
Inexplicably, you've managed to miss the core premise of my question and somehow seem to be under the impression that I doubt either the plausibility or verisimilitude of fusion power in the future -- I'm assuming you wanted to show everyone how smart you is by providing yourself an opportunity to explain to me that which I already understood.
Please answer the question you've been avoiding -- what happens to the existing trillion-dollar industry? Do they just conveniently adapt and fit into your fusion supply-chain?
Also, if you care at all about this (and it seems you do), then you should certainly care about changing peoples' minds. But I don't believe you for a second when you say that. That starts with reforming your antagonistic, prissy demeanor.
Frankly, it's because of toxic people like you that Reddit has devolved from a place that once welcomed polite, respectful debate into the toxic hellhole that it has become.
Edit: Missing Word
AnthAmbassador ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:06:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think in the past, idiots who make reductionist statements like:
simply didn't exist.
Reddit used to be a place where smart educated people had smart educated conversations.
This is the comment that got things going, also an incredibly ignorant statement. It's demonstrably false. We've put billions into research that has gone no where, and there is no proof that progress is even possible, while at the same time tons and tons of proven technologies have been invested in and successfully used, so you could argue that our process was prudent, and that a wisely led society (not claiming that's us) would use fission as a stop gap while fusion was researched and brought into effective use.
Unlimited anything doesn't exist. Everything in real life has limits.
What is your point? Do you want to say anything factually accurate or informed? Fusion will not be free or cheap or unlimted. We have current limits to fueling fusion, and in order to fuel basic fusion technologies in a long term capacity, we will need to harvest materials from the solar system. Again not cheap.
Because the infrastructure of fusion is going to be very high tech, and require complicated construction and maintenance, it wont be happening in a void of economy.
Lastly, the cost of power undermines the productivity of the economy. Gas gets more expensive, economy slows down. Gas gets cheaper, people take more road trips, go on more vacations, play with motor sports more.
If you think that in some way if we had magic energy boxes, that it wouldn't massively empower our economy in all other areas, you're just not thinking about things clearly. The US government would definitely make free unlimited power boxes if they could, because the economy would sky rocket, trains would never pay for fuel again, major mining equipment that is ultra massive and runs huge banks of generators would just have a free box in it that supplies all the power. Mining would accelerate, comodity prices in some sectors would drop, and then you'd have even more productivity.
Other than defending yourself without cause, do you have anything to say, anything actual or important?
To answer your incredibly lame question: They are fucked. They will never see growth again, and they will slowly dwindle as carbon fuel systems are replaced with fusion systems. In the real world, they are fucked already, but the process is going to take a while. Growth in a major way has left the industry, and the ecosystem actually requires this, so it's good that it's happening. Solar is going to become increasingly cheaper. Smart electric grids are making better and better use of electricity. Cities are being cleaned up and repopulated and saving society and the ecosystem from the absurd costs of suburban living. Lots of the energy companies are going to see growth by using their capital and their expertise and placement in the market by moving into this field, and it's likely if we had fusion, you'd see the same thing.
Lets say, worst case scenario, Lockheed rolls out their fusion plant next year. They can make 50 a year in three years when they get mass production in swing, and they roll out the max for every year after. It's a private company, so they wont let their tech out, and they'll have a Lockheed engineering team on site for each one. It powers a small city all by itself.
How long does it take until the US is powered only by Lockheed fusion plants? Lets do some math, lets say the plant powers 50,000 people, a decently sized small city: 325,000,000 people in the US, so that's 6,500 generators required to power the US municipal system. Thats not counting heavy industry, or trains.
If Lockheed doesn't scale up production and keeps it at 50, it'll only take 130 years before the fossil fuel companies are fucked.
Do you see how infantile this argument is? Fusion generators are not going to be free, they are not going to be mass produced magically fast, they are going to be a foundation of future electrical production, but we'll probably see bigger change in the near future from solar and wind and smart grids than we'll see from fusion even if Lockheed starts mass production tomorrow.
AnthAmbassador ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, and to answer your first question: am I this much of a disagreeable cunt in real life? Generally yes, but I'm also intimidating and smarter than everyone, so when people are idiots in front of me and I demolish them, they usually just shut up and listen and resent me quietly, instead of making a scene like you are, pretending you have a point and a basis from which to talk.
billdietrich1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:19:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just $30 billion over 4 decades or so, in USA alone, according to http://www.fusionenergyleague.org/index.php/blog/article/have_we_spent_too_much
Sure, that's not a LOT of money in terms of the budget or whatever. But it's not "jack shit". It was enough to build and operate several major facilities. Which failed to reach break-even.
jammerjoint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:55:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
6 decades. Comes out to $0.5 billion / year. Here's some annual spending comparisons, for the US only, recently:
So yes, that qualifies as "jack shit" in my book. Compared to the possible benefits to human civilization, our measly investment is as lethargic as efforts get.
billdietrich1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:49:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, as I said, it's not a LOT of money compared to other things. But how much better would renewable energy and storage be today if we'd put that $30 billion into them instead of fusion ? They've been WORKING for decades; fusion isn't.
If you want to compare to "possible benefits to human civilization", how about if we'd invested that $30 billion in curing malaria, or stopping food waste ?
No, $30 billion is not "jack shit". You want more, fine. But don't pretend we haven't invested anything.
jammerjoint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems to contradict everything you try to argue for right after.
Not nearly as much as you could improve fusion, since the former techs are more mature and are plateauing. This is a pretty basic concept. You also don't have to stop funding those things to fund fusion. Furthermore, if fusion is successful, it would dwarf all other energy sources and allow rapid fulfillment of humanity's energy needs, whereas renewables have remained a stagnant percentage in much of the developed world.
"We shouldn't invest in any new technology because it doesn't already exist."
I didn't suggest taking money from malaria funds, and we're pretty far along on that track anyway. Do we really need all those F-35s though? I also didn't ask for $30b, it's pretty telling that you have to jump to such a ludicrous number. Even a nice $2b would quadruple what we put in now.
It's an informal phrase that means very little, not zero. You're reaching very far to try to justify our misguided priorities.
billdietrich1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:20:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now you're just showing bias. Renewables and storage are not "mature" in any sense. They're hot areas of development, in the labs new solar cells and new batteries and hydrogen storage etc are being announced all the time.
In contrast, most parts of a fusion reactor would indeed be mature tech, not amenable to cost-reduction. A big steam plant driving a spinning generator. Big magnets to confine the plasma.
"Big" fusion will be similar to today's fission plants, as far as I can tell, minus the fuel costs. Still a big complicated reactor, actually MORE complicated than a fission reactor. Tons of electronics and high-power electrical and electromagnets and maybe superconductors to control and confine and heat a plasma, or drive lasers to ignite pellets. You get a thermal flux (neutrons) to drive a big steam plant that drives a generator. So lots of high pressures and temperatures to control, lots of pumps and turbines and other moving parts. Still some radiation, not nearly as much as for a fission plant. No need for a sturdy containment vessel. Still a terrorist target, still need security.
Fuel cost is about 30% of operating cost [not LCOE, I don't know how that translates] of today's fission reactors. Subtract that, so I estimate cost of energy from fusion will be 70% of today's fission cost. Renewables plus storage are going to pass below that level soon, maybe in the next 10 years.
Now, if we get a breakthrough and someone invents "small" fusion, somehow generating electricity directly from some simple device, no huge control infrastructure, no tokamak or lasers, no steam plant and spinning generator, etc, that would be a different story.
jammerjoint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling the techs mature is not an insult nor is it a way of disregarding their importance. They are just a different generation, apples to oranges. I've sat through dozens (quite literally) of presentations by professors researching batteries, and the lab next door mainly works on thin film PV, I think I have a pretty good idea of what the field is like.
Solar panels have climbed from ~16 to ~20% efficiency over the last decade, and are plateauing. Multijunction can reach higher but is much more expensive. Wind is pretty close to totally optimized. Batteries have lots of money being poured in but very few complete results. Each paper that comes out tends to focus on one or two aspects (capacity, voltage, fast recharge, fast discharge, poisoning of the gap between cathode/electrolyte, electrolyte/anode, new materials, etc.) As one might expect, other areas tend to be a downgrade from conventional techs. While there is still going to be some improvement, there needs to be breakthroughs in fundamental techniques before we see leaps and bounds.
Where in the world did you get this idea? Decent solar panels have been in production since the 50s, wind and batteries way longer. Large fusion stellarators weren't even possible to construct until around 2000. Tokamaks with high confinement also weren't possible until around the same time. Calling fusion "big steam plant, big magnets to confine plasma" is like calling solar "flat rocks in sun make little lightning." Yeah, that's the layman's premise, but it doesn't tell you anything about the actual technical challenges.
Then you need to review fundamental nuclear physics. Fusion's energy yield is an order of magnitude more.
Directly contradicts your attempt to oversimplify earlier. More complicated = less mature, more amenable to cost reduction.
What on earth are you talking about? There's no plutonium to steal.
Your math is more than a little off. Levelized cost is per unit energy basis. A better comparison would be that for the same plant cost (early commercial model), fusion would get 4x the energy with 0.5x the fuel cost. If we use your, 30% figure, that comes out to a LCOE of 20.4. Compare this to 53.8 for natural gas, 95.1 for coal, 55.8 for wind, and 73.7 for solar.
We don't have small natural gas, and it's most of what we use. Economy comes from scale, portability is for niche applications.
billdietrich1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I give up. You're saying half a dozen new wrong things each time, I'm done.
wenoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:33:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, Bill Gates once said it won't happen any faster if you pour more money into it. He has that other nuclear project and said you can fund the best team of scientist and their experiments but after that it doesn't get significantly faster no matter how much money you pour into it. You're better off funding some other idea.
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see big Fusion is ALLL OVER this thread looking for $$
Wolfey1618 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck is "big fusion"? You realize this shit is only going on in laboratories right now right? It's very expensive to research because it requires high energy lasers and very complicated equipment, but if it were produced successfully, it would literally mean almost infinite free energy and would revolutionize the entire world, not just some ass hole company who is gonna try to claim it all.
woodrobin ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:58:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Sun?
Aanar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. Guess that would make the stuff we invented in the 50's "tiny fusion?"
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:52:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think he was /s. and, anyway... 99.9999% of the cost of electricity is the infrastructure to get it to homes and businesses.. not the fuel itself. so, "unlimited" energy would still cost the same for everyone
laskarasu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:42:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While infrastructure is costy, 99.9999% is a bit of an overestimation, no? Especially for industry that consume large amounts of electricity to produce goods.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a bit, yeah.. my point was really that the actual price of the fuel (coal vs uranium vs hydrogen) doesn't hardly factor into the price of electricity. it's all in infrastructure and upkeep. there is no 'free energy' even if u can get butt-loads of energy from a tiny amount of hydrogen
sneutrinos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. For coal-fired plants 60% of the cost is fuel. 80% of the levelized cost for natural gas plants is fuel. For nuclear it's lower, around 7%, which is why, even with far greater capital, infrastructure, and maintenance costs, nuclear is still cost-competitive with fossil fuels.
Wolfey1618 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure he was serious actually, after looking at his post history.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:57:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow, brb while i take a shower after reading his history
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You got me curious, so I looked it up. There's no easy estimate, but transmission and distribution is around 20% of cost, including distribution.
It gets a bit murky in the fact that supposedly our grid may need many billions in improvements, but this estimate puts the value of transmission and distribution assets slightly less than power plants. 54% generation, 46% distribution.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bit of an overestimation, but yeah.. i guess it could be said better thusly: the price of the fuel used to generate electricity is negligible. whether coal or hydrogen, the vast majority of the expense is in generation and transmission. people think that virtually unlimited power from a few grams of hydrogen would mean "free energy", but my point was that the price of energy would be roughly the same.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's still a valid point. The stats list fuel at 20%, that would be eclipsed in no time by additional operating costs and extremely expensive plants. It would probably need subsidies starting out, and may even increase transmission costs because they would more than likely have to be more centralized.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tru dat
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah nah, mining, transportation and distribution is a massive cost. Also the fact that fossil fuels run out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not rly, at least not with nuclear. massive cost from a normal poor persons viewpoint but only a sliver of a sliver of the overall cost of maintaining nation wide power grids (maybe it's more than a sliver of a sliver.. but it's definitely like less than a 5th of the cost)
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know nation wide power grids will still exist with nuclear, right?
Choo_Choo_Bitches ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:01:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited energy, or UNLIMITED POWER!!!
TheBigGreenOgre ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:29:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am the reactor!
EnderCreeper121 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:41:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's fusion then.
Hao_Xiao_Mao ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:07:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
autistic fusioning
Show-Me-Your-Moves ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:44:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You underestimate my power!
AmosLaRue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dog get royally fucking pissed off when push her paws out and say that. It's hilarious.
nekochanwich ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
- The Last Question, Isaac Asimov
IsaqueLC ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:20:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A matter-anti matter reactor with dylithium crystals!
pjabrony ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we'll still need fission reactions from the nuclear wessels.
extracanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the temperature though, those things blow up really easily
justavault ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wouldn't this kill the whole industry if it ends up being free for everyone? Unlimited basically means free.
jf808 ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 15:00:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited just means that the source of energy has no real stopping point (it does, but that's a problem for our great great great great... great grandkids). It still costs money to run the facilities and maintain distribution.
justavault ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:05:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We then already have virtually unlimited energy sources. We just do not have self-sufficient energy sources.
thereddaikon ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of but not in the economic sense. All forms of alternative energy have their shortcomings and make them not ideal for every situation. For example solar works best in places with a lot of sunlight and little cloud cover along the equator. It doesn't work nearly as well in the UK for example where its cloudy a lot and doesn't get as much direct sunlight either.
Same for wind, it needs consistent prevailing winds to keep power production up but the places where that is the case usually also have bad storms that can create powerful enough winds to damage or destroy the windmills outright.
Geothermal only works in certain places where you can get access to the heat. That also happens to be places where earthquakes and volcanoes are common.
Fusion doesn't have these drawbacks. It's doesn't care about the weather and can be built just about anywhere. The only thing it really needs is deuterium which you get from sea water. Anyone with a coast already has it and for everyone else it's not like it's expensive.
ShamelessShenanigans ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:38:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound pretty knowledgeable about fusion. What makes it so much better than a traditional fission plant? Is it just easier to get Deuterium than Uranium, or is the physical process behind fusion ideal?
Hollertime ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi there! I'm currently a high schooler, but nuclear fusion is my (hopeful) career path, so I've done some research. So let me try!
One big difference is a meltdown. Or for fusion, the lack there of. We all know the fall back of a complete fission reactor failure. This is because once you start the splitting of uranium, it doesn't stop, thus you have to control it all the way through. With fusion, however, there is no chance of a meltdown. If something goes wrong you can 'unplug it', sort of like unplugging a lamp. Pull the plug and the plasma rapidly cools down, there would be damage to the reactor, but it's nothing like Chernobyl 2.0. So much safer...
Up next is resource. Fission requires uranium, which is fairly expensive to come by (and destroys a lot of land). Not to mention handling it just flat out sucks. Fusion (generally) requires deuterium and tritium (two of the first, and most abundant, elements in the universe). A ton of deutirum is in water (I believe it was 5 grams per litre of water? From ITER official website). While Deutirum is readily avalible, Tritium is tricky. Tritium has a relatively small half-life and can be hard to come by. However, I believe an Isotope of Lithium supposedly could be used instead, and also produce tritium.
Following resources, we'll look at waste. As you know, Uranium radioactive waste is very dangerous for a very long time. Generally it's just stuck in barrels that are placed in a mountain, and we just hope nothing goes wrong. Fusion waste basically produces no waste and actually can produce Helium, which we are running out of (And Goddammit I want my balloons). Granted a small amount of radioactive waste will be produced. The big difference is that the waste is only radioactive for a few hundred years (at most).
The biggest drawback is that it's unknown if human made fusion is possible. Currently, every test we run does suggest we can, but it is still only a theory. It's the main reason no one funds fusion, it's a massive gamble as to if humans physically can do it (with net-positive energy). Hope I was able to give some insight, but if you have any other questions feel free to ask!). Have a wonderful day, gender-neutral persons
Edit: Kurzgesagt did a good video on it, some of my points above are from him. Here you go! https://youtu.be/mZsaaturR6E
ShamelessShenanigans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:08:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That actually answered everything I was curious about. As another person in your age group, this made perfect sense. Thanks for the great reply, and good luck with your career path! :)
thereddaikon ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:09:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The big things are that it can't melt down fusion is inherently fail safe, and that deuterium is far more plentiful than uranium as well as not aiding in nuclear proliferation.
Floppie7th ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither can modern fission reactors.
While this is true, we have effectively infinite uranium available. Hundreds of years of known deposits we can mine, and if demand ever exceeded that apply and drove the price up, seawater extraction extends that supply by thousands more years.
Electricity-producing reactors are a very very ineffective way to make fissionable materials for weapons.
thereddaikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thorium reactors can, they just do so in a safe and non destructive way. Also the vast majority of operational reactors out there can melt down. The modern ones are few in number. Westinghouse just went bankrupt trying to build some. I know the latest are supposed to be completely failsafe and use gravity to work the control rods in a safe and controlled way but have any of those been built yet?
That of course ignores the fact that uranium mining is dangerous and very time consuming. It also comes out in a very impure ore. Deuterium is cheaper and safer to get. So much so its cheap enough to buy online in decent quantities.
Let's not fool ourselves. Places like Iran aren't going through all the trouble of a nuclear program to make electricity generating nuclear power plants. They are doing it to make breeder reactors in order to make weapons grade uranium. It's not the most efficient method but with other technologies closed to them through embargoes and the US military bricking their centrifuges with malware its what they've got.
anchpop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:38:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion reactors are simple. You would only need a few thousand dollars and some grit to build one yourself (I think a boy scout built one a few years back). The only issue is that those reactors require more energy than they produce - getting more out than you put in is hard part.
That's off topic, the main advantage is that fusion reactors don't make radioactive waste, and also the fuel is much cheaper for fusion than it is for fission.
Another possibility would be Thorium reactors, which are a type of fission reactor that don't generate waste (the run off Thorium, which is much more commonplace than the Uranium used in fission reactors)
thereddaikon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:39:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually he made a fission reactor or at least tried to with the materials from smoke detectors. Caused a lot of radiation and I think he ended up passing away recently.
anchpop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, I mixed him up with the redditor who built one a while back
thereddaikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a small but diehard community of DIY fusion engineers btw. Check out fusor.net
sneutrinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:59:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion is not unlimited. The practical reactions use deuterium and lithium-6. There are limited supplies of lithium-6. A fusion-based economy would eventually carve out the entire crust of the Earth mining for lithium.
CoyRedFox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:38:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to be clear, "eventually" is hundreds of millions of years into the future.
sneutrinos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:45:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to my calculations, if our society expanded to 50 quadrillion people, an economy that size would exhaust the solar system's lithium in just a couple centuries. It's actually the premise of a sci-fi story I wrote
CoyRedFox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:21:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool! Yeah, that makes sense: 100 million years/100 years is a million, just like 10 quadrillion people/10 billion people.
Kebble ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would become so cheap to even meter, but there would still be costs associated with the whole thing.
How that could work is governments would have contracts with companies that deal with fusion and the contract would cover the costs of their machines, maintenance, material etc.
And of course that would be covered by taxes and in exchange everyone gets free unlimited energy that is only limited by how much the power grid can handle at once.
But by then we might also have killer batteries coupled with a smart powergrid that distributes the free energy right into your home's battery during downtime that you can use for whatever you want.
Of course it's not "free" since it's financed by your taxes, but it would essentially be a flat cost shared by everyone that covers the infrastructure, but individually it wouldn't depend on how much you use. Big-ass companies with higher energetic needs might contract with the fusion companies directly because why not.
The industry would shrink to whoever can provide the energy for the lowest infrastructure costs, cause at that point nobody will want to run on coal/oil/gas/solar.
I know that just writing all that, it seems like a utopia, getting to that point means heaps of technological advancements and tons of government paperwork and red tapes and expensive projects to put it all in place but assuming the tech ends up happening it's gonna be something that has to be done at some point. Or at least I hope so.
n33g3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Too cheap to meter" - a famous phrase from the '50s regarding nuclear fission. As you know, that turned out to be false.
Fusion is only unlimited in the same way fission, wind and solar is unlimited. You still have the plant cost, upkeep, design, etc to pay for just like any other source of electricity. What evidence is there to suggest that fusion will be cheaper than fission, solar or wind?
mlbhr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the main thing about fusion is that everyone could have a micro plant and be self-sufficient. Some people already do that with solar/wind but you need a pretty significant infrastructure aka investment both in terms of money and space to be totally independent. A tiny plant could power a home or a neighborhood easily.
n33g3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CoyRedFox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's unclear whether the phrase was referring to fission or fusion.
n33g3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless of what Lewis Strauss originally meant in America, nuclear fission was sold to the British people as "too cheap to meter" energy as the first reactors were being built.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kill an industry that causes global ecological crises and spreads pollution everywhere? I hope so
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Need to be careful not to create an economical crises in the process though.
natterca ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:09:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to the bottled water people.
Bigr789 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:27:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then we will have to start fighting for "energy neutrality"
woodrobin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd settle for high-efficiency, sustainable solar power collection, really. We already have access to a huge source of natural fusion power in the Sun, and it's conveniently located millions of miles away from populated areas.
hitlerallyliteral ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:58:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is no chance of explosions/fallout from nuclear fusion (unlike fission) so not sure what you mean by millions of miles away...but I think solar power is a lot more realistic
woodrobin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was cracking a joke about the distance. And if the Sun pulled a Chernobyl (reaction went out of control), none of us would likely be around to worry about it anyway. Not that that's likely, of course, for another few billion years.
hitlerallyliteral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's what i'm saying though, Chernobyl was a fission reactor, it would be impossible for that to happen with a fusion reactor
woodrobin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was not referring to an exact duplication of events. Of course, given the username, I can see why I am now having to explain that. My bad for not catching that earlier, I suppose.
Solar instability is possible (sunspots, solar flares larger than our planet, etc.) but a full blown nova is staggeringly unlikely, and our planet's magnetic field deflects the radiation and solar wind fluctuations caused by the events that do occur. Mostly.
I realize that at the scale, and with the type, of fusion plants that would be likely, an instability would basically result in the reaction failing to occur almost immediately. Of course, that's because right now we can barely get the reactions to occur at all, even by pumping more power in than we can derive from the reaction. A better, more self-sustaining reactor (one that would be worth running at all from an energy production standpoint) would likely have very different operational behavior.
Still, it's an intriguing possibility. After all, almost all other forms of energy are derivatives of solar power: burning wood is releasing the energy stored in the plant by using photosynthesis to strip carbon from CO2 to build the plant; coal and oil are plant derivatives; wind and water power -- weather is a solar-driven phenomena. Gravity drives the water turbines, but weather puts the rainwater back up at the top of the gradient to flow down to the ocean again.
Only fission, fusion, and to an extent geothermal, derive their power from non-solar sources.
hitlerallyliteral ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:09:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh rite sorry I see what you mean
hellschatt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:26:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you fail to see one use of it. Fusion could give us so much more energy that we could potentially do stuff that were not possible before.
woodrobin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not failing to see uses of it, or even addressing uses of it. I was just pointing out we have ridiculous amounts of fusion-produced energy pouring down on us every day, without having to induce fusion on our own necessarily.
I'm not against fusion power at all, but there is, as I mentioned, freely available fusion power right now, while we're working on home-grown.
VLXS ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Allow me the opportunity to plug the Polywell here, it's probably the quickest, most scaleable and cheapest to kickstart way of actually getting fusion reactors that can fit on the back of a truck and cost "just" millions to produce.
Been severely underfunded for
yearsdecades and under patent lockdown from the US Navy.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell
http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/index.php
http://www.thepolywellblog.com/
PeteTheGeek196 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would change everything. Unfortunately, if only one country had it, it would be very destabilizing.
thereddaikon ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No matter how you do it something like that would be destabilizing. Look at any energy revolution we've had in the past. They've all shook things up, even nuclear which didn't have as big a commercial impact as everyone thought it would has changed the world in major ways. Coal power did so even more.
There are a lot of things that are expensive and difficult to do simply because they are inefficient and require huge amounts of power. Fusion reactors won't be cheap or free but they would pay themselves off really quickly and allow a level of energy independence that was previously unheard of. The price of a lot of things would fall simply because we eliminated one of the major costs in the economy.
buescherb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited energy
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9KWrH
ITCrowdFanboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/homelab wants this more than anyone
SheeEttin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have more storage space, honestly
DiskoShaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would KO too many powerful businesses. Unfortunately, a lot of wishful solutions listed here coming to pass will be dictated by money and those in power.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ironman already has
materics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna get a big pushback from Big Alternative
jandetlefsen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we have one, it's called the sun.
WIlliamOD1406 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't we need He3 isotopes, which can only be found abundant on the moon, for the most efficient fusion?
misch_mash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think about it, solar panels are, like, at least apprenticeship of fusion. We'll get there.
spaten2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go back to Soviet Russia with the rest of the freeloaders! /sarcasm
HappyHound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just another fifty years.
devilsadvocate09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no money to be made in unlimited energy for everyone.
ShortchangeParamecia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Big Oil would fight it as much as they could.
Thameus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sooner we start "burning" the ocean, the sooner we can really kill the planet.
DodgeTheGround ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mighty big quote marks there. Power generation stations using advanced materials, cutting edge control system technology, fuel purification and refinement, ideal transmission and distribution networks, and best of all, it's all maintenance free.
Even if we get fusion mastered there's a might tall mountain of costs to climb to deliver that unlimited energy and I'll bet you the energy isn't free even at the summit.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could finally prove that people are inherently greedy when the unlimited energy isn't free.
billdietrich1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Big" fusion will be similar to today's fission plants, as far as I can tell, minus the fuel costs. Still a big complicated reactor, actually MORE complicated than a fission reactor. Tons of electronics and high-power electrical and electromagnets and maybe superconductors to control and confine and heat a plasma, or drive lasers to ignite pellets. You get a thermal flux (neutrons) to drive a big steam plant that drives a generator. So lots of high pressures and temperatures to control, lots of pumps and turbines and other moving parts. Still some radiation, not nearly as much as for a fission plant. No need for a sturdy containment vessel. Still a terrorist target, still need security.
Fuel cost is about 30% of operating cost [not LCOE, I don't know how that translates] of today's fission reactors. Subtract that, so I estimate cost of energy from fusion will be 70% of today's fission cost. Renewables plus storage are going to pass below that level soon, maybe in the next 10 years.
Now, if we get a breakthrough and someone invents "small" fusion, somehow generating electricity directly from some simple device, no huge control infrastructure, no tokamak or lasers, no steam plant and spinning generator, etc, that would be a different story.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is called the Wam.
LukewarmPotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldnt that fuck the economy
johnnypayphone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An apocalyptic scenario! Almost destroyed the home planet of the Puppeteers in the Ringworld books. Unlimited energy and extended life spans are the two worst possible things for Earth and its humans that are thought of as desirable.
akjoltoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar is more than enough tbh. It just requires a huge initial investment and a lot of maintenance but then it's basically infinitely renewable and safe and can saturate our energy requirements for a very long time. That's assuming a great increase in energy requirements as well.
whelmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
still be charged out the ass for electric bills.
OfAaron3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The power of the Sun, in the palm of my hand."
Nuke_It ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...and making that fusion energy portable. Like how Lockheed Martin Skunk Works is trying to do.
The_Lion_Defiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah about that unlimited clause, maybe not tell anybody when you find it, we wouldn't want to promote the wrong idea... then there's that pesky for everybody part we're going to need you to speak to HR about. I don't know if you're right for this company, but we must thank you for your tremendous contributions to our research. You heard about Wardenclyffe right?
RedSnowBird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd settle for solar power becoming extremely cheap and efficient. It is already unlimited except for the problem of the sun dying.
Poignantwaffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:33:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would suggest looking into Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactors. They would basically do everything fusion power is trying to do, and without fusion's containment issues.
musiczlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And unlimited energy means speed of light.
jonnnyMn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:53:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is also my dream. Energy is the main resource, it will make the life of us all more prosperous.
AceTMK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah.. You'll still be charged for what you consume, even if the power is unlimited.
Why do you think internet bandwidth exist?
You don't "use" the internet. You access it. It doesn't matter what you download, or how fast you downloaded it.
Corporate will find a way to charge you for breathing if they could.
RedToiletPoopPain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It won't be free though
Sunnewer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The weaponry forged with this makes me disagree.
mp124 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep being disapointed for 20 years now that this is not happening...
StrongmanSamson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:30 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must live another 30 years at any point of your life.
smar82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We talking about a Dyson Sphere?
methAndgatorade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No
The_Schwy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is not profitable therefor it will never be allowed!
crnext ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:50:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to tell you, but the development
discoveryof electricity itself was supposed to be the same concept.BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Electricity lived up to the hype though, relative to the times.
Also your argument has no subtance. You have no reason why fusion is the same situation just "well people are saying similar things, so it's the exact same situation"
crnext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, my argument is this:
If there's money to capitalize, it will become monetized and ultimately monopolized all in the name of greed.
If fusion can make free energy, the energy conglomerates will find a way to prevent it from being free.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can't make free energy, nobody said that, it can make unlimited energy. Unlimited means we would never run out of fuel, it doesn't mean it is free to produce nor that we have an unlimited amount at any one time.
crnext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice.
They edited their comment. Now I get to be an asshole again. Check the edit history.
I used to read:
Now it reads:
Mastering artificial fusion - basically "unlimited" energy for everybody.
alah123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Company would find some way to get rid of it or scare people about it.
99SuperFan99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got half a mind to think they would sabotage such efforts. You know they have found out how to make car engines that run off water alone? The guy who invented it mysteriously died shortly after revealing his invention.
GeckoGary ยท 15845 points ยท Posted at 13:44:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind touching another solar system in some way
ChickenWithATopHat ยท 13563 points ยท Posted at 14:49:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Now show me on the doll where the astronaut touched you."
free_range_shoelaces ยท 14544 points ยท Posted at 16:48:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
points to Uranus....
SlimCognito93 ยท 767 points ยท Posted at 18:45:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an excellent joke set-and-spike that was. Made me chortle.
Ultravioletpig ยท 163 points ยท Posted at 19:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the new Taco Bell promo item? Doritos Locos Chortle.
YAISEDDIT ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 19:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's a dessert. Cinnamon Chocolate Chortles
[deleted] ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 20:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[removed]
Blog_Pope ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 21:38:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually its both!
YAISEDDIT ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 21:42:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hence the cinnamon and chocolate...
fleetber ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:56:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't that a Phish Baker's Dozen flavor?
Colleredshirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phucking so Meta
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:36:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... and coconut.
detrivorous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When a daddy and a coconut love each other very much...
mr_plant69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe some pineapple in there too.
nope_noperstein ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:09:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it's actually!
Demiboy ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 20:44:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a shitty Pokรฉmon
SKGwNRG ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 21:10:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warchortle
Draxom ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:16:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read that in the old poke-rap voice and got an extra guffaw out of it. Props to you sir
daddioz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:01:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also a Pokemon, Guffawarig.
Disco_Drew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what sounds Squirtle makes when he laughs.
Northerner6 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:43:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
muted golf applause
aestheticcowboy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:55:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
made me have a fucking leg shaking orgasm
StannBrunkelfort ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:06:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Made me guffaw.
PMmeyourlifeworries ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was out of his world.
okcredit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sitting here wondering if your username is paying off. Is it depressing or do you read some entertaining stuff?
PMmeyourlifeworries ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't exactly use the word entertaining but I certainly enjoy reading all the messages. I'm quite a depressed person anyway so the depressing ones are usually relatable but even jokey ones usually turn into a conversation. I never give out advice but I think it's just nice to know someone's listened.
ronnie888 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it was out of this world
anothermuslim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guffawed raucously.
Sir_Meowsalot ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:07:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Law and Order: Space Victim Unit.
JonArc ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 18:59:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You idiot, it's been renamed to stop all those silly jokes, it's now Urectem.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:40:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The planet or the body part?
Anonimase ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:07:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
parrot_in_hell ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:54:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for this perfect small joke chain
Araluena ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 18:53:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
court room erupts in laughter
vougester ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be the same solar system.
frustrated44 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Houston, we have a prostate
Dioruein ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:49:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Harry Potter points to Gryffindor
KhunDavid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Ron tell the Uranus joke to Lavender Brown?
DrJKirby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think a student is allowed to allocate points!
On a related note, anyone seen the sexy new outfit based off Harry Potter?
pleasehelpssll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, link? And why was this made ?
DrJKirby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:40:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erm, there is a video on Facebook you can find, on the page "In the Know." The model is very sexy.
And it is made to live out fantasies.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:49:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I had money, I'd give you gold. But I do not. So consider this honorary gold.
pleasehelpssll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:06:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give him some Reddit silver
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never mind, he got gold.
dm_asshat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really Commander?
ExeuntTheDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:59:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sigh Probing Uranus...
mazu74 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:18:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By then theyll have changed the name to Urectum because everyone made fun of Uranus.
mandaclarka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You beat me to it
supertom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought they renamed Uranus because of jokes like this?
junkdealer0913 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they actually renamed it recently due to all those jokes.
Now it's called Urectum.
beeps-n-boops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap upvotes... here, have another...
Captain_Rational ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It amazes me that people never ever seem to get tired of this joke.
ManEatingGnomes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP kinda walked into that one
Boatsmhoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My....black hole?
A911owner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 steps from serious to a Uranus joke. I love Reddit.
okmansomebtcplease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh gezuz, that IS SO funny, I am crying.
jewstain7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was too easy
MegaxnGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Uranus is your anus.
FuzzyIon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it was renamed in 2620 to end that stupid joke once and for all. It is now called Urectum.
KMFDM781 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:58:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Under-upvoted comment right there.
MGM2112 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:25:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F****** brilliant.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha!
StannBrunkelfort ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beat me to it
DrJKirby ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 22:26:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great going, guy! Now you've gotten me pissed off.
I just looked at a petition about renaming the planet because of all the jokes, due to the messages here about it being renamed. They wanted to name it Reagan.
Yes, change the name of something based off of an important discovery in science (uranium) that suits the whole world to something that suits the U.S. Didn't get many signatures, but still.
Mackmax3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:34:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know that it's not named after uranium, right? It's named after the Greek god of the sky, Uranus. All the other planets, excluding Earth, are named after Roman gods, including Pluto. Mercury, the messenger of the gods. Venus, the goddess of love. Mars, the god of war. Jupiter, the chief deity. Saturn, the god of agriculture. Neptune, the god of the Sea. And Pluto, the god of the underworld.
DrJKirby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:38:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, my mistake. 'Twas the other way round.
But my point does still stand, at least without the reason.
Mackmax3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is indeed a damn shame.
FullplateHero ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe it would technically be an "orrery."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrery
PacoCrazyfoot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:24:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, you're not wrong...
tomatoaway ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:09:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm orry
Vandorbelt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:12:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
points to Goldilocks Zone
rowdybme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did the astronaut touch you in your bathing suit area?
oClew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My arms where the floaties go?
scotterton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something black hole
Bezerkingly_Zero ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:12:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!redditsilver
SoloWing1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I don't got enough fingers..."
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On my solar plexus
thsabalala1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:13:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My uncle bud did that to me once
Disrupturous ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would the doll similar to the models we had in gradeschool?
Dean364 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So funny. Thanks.
roncalapor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:44:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
redditors who setup other redditors for jokes are the real MVP
ChickenWithATopHat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:54:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usually it's a swing and a miss but this time I got it
sra3fk ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 19:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the Nearest star to us (Alpha Centauri) is 4.22 light-years away, so fat chance that touching another solar system is possible in our lifetime. For reference, one light-year is 9.46 trillion kilometers- that means the distance between us and the nearest star is 39.92 trillion km. At current fastest speeds ever reached by mankind (achieved by the New Horizons spacecraft for a brief moment at launch) of 58,536 km/hr, it would take approximately 7,857 years to get to Alpha Centauri. So no, it is not currently possible or even conceivable to reach another solar system during our lifetime
CrazyPurpleBacon ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 20:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The unfortunate truth of space travel -- shit is R E A L L Y far away
actual_factual_bear ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:19:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you may think itโs a long way down the road to the chemistโs, but thatโs just peanuts to space.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 23:22:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's that dealio with tiny probes propelled by lasers (you can see I've done the technical research) that could potentially travel at 20% of the speed of light, so 22 years to get there and 4ish years to send the data back - so that could happen in our lifetime as long as they don't take too long to do it.
HungJurror ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:00:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just need to find one of those planets where time is much slower so we can do thousands of years of research in 5 minutes
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 00:27:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MURPHHHH
HungJurror ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:31:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bangs on wall with 30 lbs of force but only exerts 5 lbs of force on the other side
davesoverhere ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:28:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched that voyager episode today.
sra3fk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see you are a fan of Star Trek Voyager
Diabolicism ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:43:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Improbable, Yes. Impossible, No.
CallMePyro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. Super unrealistic goal.
sra3fk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another thought I had while researching this- even if by some miracle we managed to reach Alpha Centauri, what would be the point of spending all that time, money, and energy to reach a star system probably without intelligent life? What are the odds that the nearest star system to us has intelligent life? Because lets be frank- we just want to find the little green men. I think if we really want to explore other star systems we should fund REALLY powerful telescopes more powerful than say the Hubble
Halew2 ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 20:10:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt people born in the late 1800's thought they would witness the moon landing.
Flyingcow93 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 22:52:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude...you just blew my mind
Dagon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:06:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weellll... except for that one scifi story in 1865 by Jules Verne about how they used explosives and specific metallurgy to fire a shell (with someone in it) to reach escape velocity and arrive at the moon. They even used small solid-propellant rockets to soften the landing once they got there.
I like your analogy, but by even the early 1800's we already had a pretty good idea at the immense power that chemical combustion would unlock. Though they thought it might be years away, it was at least considered possible enough that the book's setting took place in "present-day" 1865.
We knew roughly how much effort and how much material it would take to get to the moon.
By contrast, we ALSO know how much effort and material it would take to get to anotehr star system (using rockets) and we know that it's impossible for a multitude of reasons, both practical and economical.
sra3fk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES exactly
scorpionma ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:38:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We want someone born in the late 1800's to answer this please, mention his username
Dandw12786 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be bad at maths...
RIC454 ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 13:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, we need you in r/circlejerk.
GeckoGary ยท 158 points ยท Posted at 13:46:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im banned atm my dude
TheSwellFellow ยท 95 points ยท Posted at 13:47:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're terrified of your power.
Goullet ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:18:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
raw power...
CardboardConnoisseur ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:40:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wth is this sub?!
Piledriver17 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:47:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right now it's currently the karma farm for /u/geckogary
BarbatisCollum ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 16:05:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I unbanned you my dude, quickly post before another mod bans you again
GeckoGary ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 17:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you bro
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not /u/BarbatisCollum but I love you too.
ELFAHBEHT_SOOP ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:56:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not /u/GeckoGary or /u/BarbatisCollum but I love you too.
Civil_Barbarian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:39:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true hero
MoonbirdMonster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a hero
zaturama015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why was he banned? Pure Jealousy?
BarbatisCollum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:06:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no idea, the mod who did it left the 'reason' box empty and there was no discussion in modmail
pigi5 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was an act of terrorism. The mod tried to get upvotes in exchange for unbanning him, but didn't hit his goal. Only legends like /u/GeckoGary can play the karma game
Sulfate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like it may just be the most retarded thing in the entire history of retarded things.
iburnbacon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No better way to go out. You became too powerful. You can hold that over them forever
slicer4ever ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind giving a quick run down for people out of the loop?
iburnbacon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at his post history. He posted threads saying if he got x amount of upvotes he'd post it again and double it. Got up to 65k+ last night. Apparently got banned from circle jerk and someone made an account similar to his name and tried to continue it. Didn't work and now it's all over. What could have been...
Edit: guess he got unbanned because he's back at it
slicer4ever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ah, thanks.
RIC454 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sucks. Hope the mods let you go back.
racerzeroone ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:38:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, just continue in /r/me_irl they upvote anything. Don't let them silence you.
feltch_my_beer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:47:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inb4 every post you make doubles your ban time
BrolestBrolin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:25:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the mods
wwttdd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ya but it's Wednesday my dude
ILikeMasterChief ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did they really fucking ban you? I mean what the fuck? That was a great original idea that absolutely would have been Reddit history
TheCyberTronn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:47:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait why? What happened?
Snowyplays ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 13:59:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he made /r/circlejerk his bitch. He is the karma lord.
BittersweetHumanity ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He became so powerfull... The only thing he was afraid of was losing his power. Which eventually, off course, he did. Unfortunately he thaught the mods everything he knew. Then they banned him in his sleep. Ironic. The sub wanted everyone to be circlejerking, but not himself.
DocLeWolfe ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/prequalmemes
rhm2084 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:39:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit we need a rebellion!
ColonelJohnMcClane ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 17:54:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how about a post with 131,072 upvotes?
GeckoGary ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 21:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna happen because post was removed
joseville ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:21:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why the fuck did they remove it?
[deleted] ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 21:23:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Piledriver17 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With how much gold that was being given in his thread it basicly was sponsored content
SuperCrusader ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:23:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You gotta sue the fuck out of them in /r/KarmaCourt
Show these bastards justice
dj1964 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:25:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removing this post again opens up the potential of it becoming a Rick Astley-type recurring meme. Should have let it run its course.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:25:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Piledriver17 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:26:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The /r/circlejerk Mods removed his most recent post and banned him again
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:28:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They set submissions to restricted too. There hasn't been a new post in 5 hours.
iciale ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:55:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No fun zone in that sub unless the mods are the ones shitposting. Buncha wankers.
MrTittyFingers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please sue in /r/KarmaCourt, if not for the karma than for justice!
woogiech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why they gotta play us like this, sir
fluffybunny645 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:53:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He goes by Mick Foley now
Ar_Ciel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:37:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And he probably has issues with heights ever since he was thrown from the top of the cage.
RobertThorn2022 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The micro starships which are powered from earth by a laser seem to be the only attempt which could work in our lifetime because of the distance and the speed needed. Nevertheless I'm with you.
turtle755 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The laser would have to be in space and would get two shots on the wafer sat. If it was in atmosphere we could have problems with refraction trying to hit something in space, or the wafer sat would accelerate so quickly the atmosphere would shred it apart.
brainiac3397 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:26:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voyager 1 made it into the heliopause but she's only got 8 years of juice left so at this point the best we've got is groping the interstellar medium.
Fun fact is that Voyager 1 outran those launched before it. Seems like it was eager to gtfo of the solar system.
And the latest New Horizons will never run past the Voyagers unless it like falls into a wormhole that teleports it to a far away planet where it is made into the core of a giant spaceship now named Ne'Zon.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:37:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly not through a manned mission, but it may be possible to send probes to another stellar system within a human lifetime through light sails and lasers.
https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/space-lasers-and-light-sails-tech-behind-breakthrough-starshot
Alchemistmerlin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:35:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are all the responses to this fairly innocuous comment super shitposty?
temporalarcheologist ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:54:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
look at his post history
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:13:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm maybe proxima centauri
Rawnblade ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:35:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy if we ever went back to the moon.
Arnvidh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:53:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this is almost 100% impossible in our lifetime. It would require wormhole-technology, and we are far from that point.
agaminon22 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:18:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heard the news about the interstellar prototype?
physalisx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:29:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, not gonna happen :(
DodgeTheGround ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your wish will, in all likelihood, not be fulfilled. Using known and near-future in development technology the journey to the nearest solar system would take many (centuries) years to reach the nearest solar system.
The furthest traveled spacecrafts, Voyagers 1 and 2, guess what star they'll be closest to in 1000 years? Our sun. How about 10,000 years? Still our sun. They could have been traveling since before the founding of Babylon and Ur and they'd still be nearest to our sun instead of any other star.
Consider, the new horizons spacecraft that just got done hurtling towards Pluto over 9 years. It would take something like 78,000 additional years to reach our nearest star, Alpha Centauri, if it was pointed in that direction. And that's assuming a constant speed which would allow us to just see the star and blast on by it. If you want to slow down and have a little visit the journey would have to be even longer for deceleration.
Even with some fantastic speed-of-light drive it'd still take several years to reach that star system. We have not effectively found any evidence that the speed of light speed limit can be broken by any known mechanism, only approached.
Barring some outrageously exciting breakthrough in reactionless drive systems and animation suspension we are effectively stuck in this solar system for all of time.
Thankfully, we are a thoughtful and careful species not prone to overindulge in excess energy or resources and have taken steps towards ensuring that our species will continue to exist for another 10,000 years.
kl0wny ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:09:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the story about him and the undertaker
CODESIGN2 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:09:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as it gets consent and checks the age first...
MintyTruffle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure we have drones that are pretty far into our solar systems that will eventually leave it. Didn't one just pass Jupiter or something?
EI_Doctoro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:13:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voyager 1 left the heliosphere back in 2012. By some definitions it has left our solar system.
Tobias_Z ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One is at Jupiter right now but that's within our solar system.
Epyon214 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can help you accomplish this. I'm unable to perform the math to provide a proof or engineer the craft, but I can explain to you that 'time' is an illusion and that space is something tangible which can be compressed, enabling us to travel great distances by compressing space.
goran_788 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:00:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf, you're just everywhere today aren't you. It seems you ascended to Reddit Royalty.
Christinab1992 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:03:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just like to see man on Mars let alone another solar system
jacksonmc1998 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'll be much more probably within the next 70-80 years..
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SpaceX Will do it before NASA for sure..I'm gonna hold on to 2020 for it too.
Elon is ambitious enough and tends to overengineer things. I can see it happening. I don't waste my time for the non commercial sector going behind the moon soon.
xpoc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to burst your bubble dude, but you may want to add ten years onto that estimate.
Texas_spinner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy with mars
Burritozi11a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At this rate, I'll be lucky if I see the Mars landing before I'm 40
triddy6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't we currently have the technology to get a space probe to the Centauri system in about 40 years? I thought I read that somewhere...
MaimedJester ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean a pinhole camera in a solar sail right now is feasible with only a 40 year confirmation delay, but one mistake 18 years from now...
FreddiePeterson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something Hell in a Cell...
Stef-fa-fa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting people on Mars will be pretty cool at least, and we're pretty certain that'll happen in my lifetime, barring any unforeseen problems with either my health or space exploration in general.
FranxtheTanx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giggity
SuperSaiyan2589 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we can get a person/people on another planet I'll be happy
CrispyCritiquer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A McDonald's on Mars..
Gregrox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see a picture of an exoplanet. Not some dinky little set of pixels, but like continents and craters and clouds and shit like that. Through gravity-lensing telescopes at the Sun's lens-point, or small starchips, or through the Starship Enterprise, I don't care.
Diqqsnot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha
with all the bullshit in todays world
its never going to happen untill you fucking sheep wake up
VLDT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a similar vein: Moonbase. Or Mars Base. I don't even really care if it's just robots setting up the infrastructure while I'm alive. I wanna see us take the step.
DrJohanzaKafuhu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be cool, I would just like to see people on Mars, or perhaps even the Moon again.
firrenzi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind respects the earth/ ecosystem and living sustainably before we venture out Into the solar system. Ie man and nature instead of man VS Nature
akjoltoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:58:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason you might see that is because of how long your life might be. But it won't occur within the stretch of a current human lifetime.
ahp105 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:07:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks to light sails, this could actually happen!
falcoriscrying ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I am so glad this is the number 1 comment. It has always been my dream to be on an exploration crew to the next solar system. I don't even care about the risk it is our nature to explore. It truly is the final frontier
Fsmv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In progress:
https://breakthroughinitiatives.org/Initiative/3
They're currently spending $100 million researching solutions to the technical challenges and they expect to spend $5-10 billion
Estimated first launch is 2036
(Numbers from the introduction part on the Wikipedia page)
mirandanlink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about Mars first!
StrongmanSamson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:24 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind will die out way before we would have the technology to travel further than Mars.
Navarp1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is only 1 solar system. I think you mean "Star System."
AliGLCFC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something u/shittymorph Mankind
dunksoverstarbucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea interstellar travel
SPVCEGXXN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zero percent chance that happens.
Silverspy01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to break it to you, but it's not very likely. Thanks next closest solar system is 4.37 light years away. Voyager 1 will take around 70000 years to get there, and it's been going for a very long time.
fenixnoctis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's only one solar system
shwanky808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Touching and colliding are two different things. Can we discuss the potential of Planet Nibiru and its legitimacy as a "solar system" encroaching on our own?
Stellarnature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on mars
KalElified ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have to say increased longevity of life, this and space exploration go hand and hand.
DaftDecka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck I'd be okay with us getting to the rest of our own solar system let alone another one in our lifetime.
SchismSEO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel.
I'm a big dreamer.
acrawford123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Touching youuuu, touching meeeee
pm_me_ur_suicidenote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The two main stars are Alpha Centauri A and Alpha Centauri B, which form a binary pair. They are an average of 4.3 light-years from Earth. The third star is Proxima Centauri. It is about 4.22 light-years from Earth and is the closest star other than the sun. So, if we ever do figure out how to travel at the speed of light, which the theories of Relativity say we cant, then it would still take four and a half years. I do hate to burst your bubble bc I'm a huge fan of space travel,but human havent even gone to Mars yet.
turtle755 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a lot of people saying it isn't possible. but I wanted to tell you about this concept being researched. basically it's a wafer sat, think a single electronics board with a pretty big "sail" attached. they would shoot it with some mega watt class lasers and accelerate it to about 25% the speed of light. they would be cheap so we would shoot a bunch, and they would only take about 20 years to hit the closest star. they would be pretty limited in their capabilities because of the size available. but still really cool!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the world is flat ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ๐๐
Dr_Dippy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With our current technology if we started designed and sent a probe within 5 years it would still take about 40 years to get to the nearest star.
RayMaN139 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's gonna be tough
philmtl ยท 3133 points ยท Posted at 14:03:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reversal of dying coral reefs, I got to see beautiful reefs as a kid I hope my kids will too one day
GalacticVirus ยท 212 points ยท Posted at 22:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This man is doing great work! I hope to see more organizations joining in to replant the reef. https://youtu.be/_0F5cQfke64
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cutelyaware ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 01:31:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acidification and temperature rise, both are consequences of CO2.
FL14 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:53:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went there and stayed at Mote Marine Lab for a week about 2 months ago! This great man showed us coral fragmentation and I got to do some myself that will one day make it out to the reefs! Really cool.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:40 on September 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how can I help replant reef?
Tectonic_Cat ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 22:55:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really sad to think that my kids might never get to see the Great Barrier Reef, such a beautiful place.
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Tectonic_Cat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:30:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good idea, only problem is that I live nearly 15,000 km from them :)
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Tectonic_Cat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:06:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Current member of the land down under
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Tectonic_Cat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:07:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ikr :p
PageFault ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, it's his own fault for not having his kids yet.
GaySwans ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 23:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean probably.
Tectonic_Cat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:58:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:/
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wekR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be pedantic. He was saying that it's more likely than not likely to be gone soon.
Murder_Ders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already soon.
ero_senin05 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 23:34:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read an article years ago (possibly a decade ago now) about how the great barrier reef has over history grown and died back over and over again and that, at the time the article was written, was now the biggest it had ever been and another course of dieing back was expected to happen. I guess this course has been more extreme than anticipated due to rising water temperatures which has caused a great deal of panic.
My main concern here in Australia with rising global temperatures is more inland based. The crocs are moving south as their populations grow and the climate is supporting that. If we don't stem this issue we'll have crocs in our swimming pools soon!
MobileGhost ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:53:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is amazing. The only reefs I've seen were white and gray. It was really sad
AngelSausage ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:01:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah from what I understand (and I'll admit that's very little), it's called bleaching, and it's an effect of global warming. They're losing all their color and life, and politicians would rather deny it's happening than actually make an effort to reverse it while there's still time.
AlwaysArguesWithYou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not all of them. Mostly republicans.
AngelSausage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:12:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. I watched a documentary about it and they showed a lot of interviews with republicans and most of them just flat out denied it was happening and said things like "all science is bullshit" in a sense. I just said politicians because I know with most films like that they don't show the interviews that don't fit the message, so I don't know the actual ratios, if that makes sense.
AlwaysArguesWithYou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:28:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's close to 100% correlation being republican and denying climate change regardless of what evidence is provided because big oil lobbies pays/bribes them to take that position.
CentiMaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You hallucinated that part. Most right-leaning thinkers & politicians don't deny global warming or its human association; they instead disagree on what specific future policies should be enacted.
NearSightedGiraffe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:00:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And in Australia we call them Liberals- they are nothing like the name suggests
AlwaysArguesWithYou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:03:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like it went full swing again like in the 1800s when those who wanted to FREE the slaves were republicans.
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Thesladenator97 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:35:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The carribean has undergone a 79% loss of coral reef diversity. Been working here for 6 weeks and its gut wrenching. While ive been here the barrier reef was declared 30% dead which is the whole top half. Watch chasing corals on netflix. It will open your eyes.
Its not too late and change is happening and corals have come back from worse but they will never be the same. Some of my friends were working on a coral restoration project where they were attaching coral fragments to lines to encourage them to grow and recover
Thesladenator97 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:35:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The carribean has undergone a 79% loss of coral reef diversity. Been working here for 6 weeks and its gut wrenching. While ive been here the barrier reef was declared 30% dead which is the whole top half. Watch chasing corals on netflix. It will open your eyes.
Its not too late and change is happening and corals have come back from worse but they will never be the same. Some of my friends were working on a coral restoration project where they were attaching coral fragments to lines to encourage them to grow and recover
WeirdoOtaku ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:02:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think some scientists are working on that with artificial reefs.
baekadelah ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:11:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They found a new one growing off the coast of Ireland apparently
rayned0wn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:21:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got to kyak in the barrier reef ....it's mind boggling to me that the reef died before I did.
CentiMaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Great Barrier Reef is mostly still alive, bud.
Large sections are bleached according to Nature, but they're still alive (bleaching โ death in corals), and the polyps may be recolonized by new zooxanthellae once the corallum and the mesoglea adapt to the new conditions, which only takes a few years.
rayned0wn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:49:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Large sections of the Australian barrier reef are factually dead. I kayaked near an area of it that is now dead. Plenty of the reef died due to rising water temp. Quite different than the portions that are bleached. ..bud
ThtDAmbWhiteGuy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:32:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched chasing coral on Netflix the other day. I had no idea that the damage was so extensive and so fast acting
Baileygs89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:47:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched it this afternoon, it's catastrophic how fast it's bleaching
CentiMaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know that bleached corals are still alive, right? They can be recolonized by new zooxanthellae (often of a different species) once the corallum & polyps adapt to the new conditions, which only takes a few years.
doctordogturd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About to watch. Didn't know it existed. Thank you
ThtDAmbWhiteGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No problem. It was a bit dry for the first 15, but after that it got pretty good
doctordogturd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a scuba diver I love coral reefs and as a person I love documentaries so I'm sure I'll enjoy it and be pissed off at the same time
philmtl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That coral that made sun screen was closed cool
squiznard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least reefer is alive and well
noelandres ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:51:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The documentary Chasing Coral is about this problem of dying coral. Apparently the corals are dying because the oceans are getting warmer because of global warming. So if we want to reverse this, then we need to stop global warming.
CentiMaga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:41:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope! Bleached corals are still alive! They've just expelled their colorful dinoflagellates, which happens when their environment changes enough to trigger their stress response.
Bleached corals can be recolonized by new zooxanthellae once the corallum & mesoglea adapt to the new/changing conditions, which only takes a few years. They effectively unbleach.
BigMouse12 ยท 16299 points ยท Posted at 13:29:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully mapped out ocean floor
UndercoverPatriot ยท 3741 points ยท Posted at 14:14:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be really cool actually.
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rymaster101 ยท 837 points ยท Posted at 16:35:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's still pretty damn cool
SHITTYANDUNFUNNY ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 17:28:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quite cold honestly
IndoorCatSyndrome ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ice cold.
aefie ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 17:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright alright alright.
classicalySarcastic ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:18:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
found Matt McConaughey's account
I_Need_M0ney ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:35:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go home Unc you're drunk!
BasicThuganomics ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:54:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's cooler than cool.
bryxy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ice Cold.
_Constructed_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ice-T
DANGERMAN50000 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:01:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Water-T
inglishman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy Alphabetriums.
_Constructed_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vapour-T
inidooH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vapour-T
xwt-timster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ice Cube.
snapshotstriker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iceberg, icetray, icetray.
Ima_PenGuinn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're pretty damn cool
rymaster101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, thanks little penguin :)
FoXmAn983 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coal*
Milsuertes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:55:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw what you did there.
jeebus224 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:09:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
coal*
aeroeax ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 20:07:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about? Do you know the ecological consequences that would ensue from a simple 1-2 degree increase in ocean temperature...
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joe847802 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem like it
RudyardKipling ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This troll doesn't know the first thing about how the ocean works. Try using the term thermal expansion and see if it even knows what that means...
joe847802 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like many climate change deniers have no idea how oceans work neither. An example on how complex and fragile the ocean is, well look at corals. An a home aquarium, coral reefs are complicated to care for, needing certain lights, a certain temperature, certain needs to be met, and so. If you dont meet those requirements, they die slowly and then bleach. Now picture that in the large scale. Not pretty. If only these people understood how fragile an ecosystem is.
fmfun ยท 186 points ยท Posted at 20:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While bleaching and killing corale, amongst many, many other things. The sea is most definitely not the infinite heatsink you're portraying it is.
HueyCrashTestPilot ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 20:21:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty sure that comment was sarcasm and a joke all rolled into one.
fmfun ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 20:36:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope so. Please note op edited his comment. Initially there was no mention of China burning coal.
Inconcinnity ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 21:10:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cheeky fuck edited in the climate denying nonsense after getting all his upvotes too. Gives it the appearance that everyone is upvoting it because of that
fmfun ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:12:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice, thanks for noticing! I knew something fucky was going on...
zeusisbuddha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck
Edit: of course he's a Trump supporter
ZiggoCiP ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:43:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention coral bleaching being an event humans are in essence helpless to stop - we hit the 'going back' phase back when the Crown of Thorns star fish seemed like a threat.
Now our attention should be put on the deforestation of the Amazon, which I believe:
Article
It's the climatic damage we can actively prevent. We've been hearing about it, it's not a secret, and it has much to do with Cattle farming.
blooddiamond97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coral is fucking stupid it operates like 1-2ยฐc below its upper heat tolerance and once it reaches it, it's symbiotes start overworking poisoning it with fucking oxygen so it kicks them out which would be fine if they weren't responsible for 90% of it's fucking nutrition and for some strange reason coral refuses to partner with heat resistant algae as if it's fucking asking to die.
BangCrash ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 17:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually it's 4ยฐC.
Water under 4ยฐC becomes less dense due to arranging itself in the crystalline lattice that is ice. At this point it becomes less dense so then starts to float.
pglass2015 ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 17:12:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but since it is salt water, wouldn't that temperature be lower?
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pglass2015 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:13:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah so my point is that wouldn't theoretically the water be colder than 0 degrees C without becoming ice? I have no clue.
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pglass2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I knew that. I took Thermo 1 and 2. Just don't feel like switching my brain on today I suppose.
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EmptyRook ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you send links of the underwater rivers? I want to know more about the underwater rivers.
Auvon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There appears to be one about 175 miles west of Los Angeles, starting west of Lompoc to the NW of LA.
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BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:41:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He can't look for them if he doesn't know what they look like
This is just rude, why even reply?
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Fuu-nyon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:02:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ocean is a pretty big place to look for something, no matter how obvious.
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Fuu-nyon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:16:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or evidently if you're thousands and thousands of oceanographers.
I'm a millennial who's not a huge fan of millennials myself, and I gotta say you're going a pretty bang up job of keeping up with some of the worst of my generation in the stupid department.
SlapMyCHOP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People like you are why I hate your generation.
dfschmidt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a caricature of everything everyone hates about millennials. Meanwhile, I'd wager there's a huge number of millennials who don't absolutely suck.
Oh. You were complaining of whatever generation he belongs to, which is probably (but not certainly) not millennial.
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RenaKunisaki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I make a point of avoiding that.
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SlapMyCHOP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not wiser, its just becoming cynical. I like to think Ill never write off a whole generation just because of when they were born.
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BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:27:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, actually, it's a defense mechanism against negative experiences focusing on short term benefits to the ego while ignoring the long term negative effects.
It's a product of experience in the same way that PTSD is a product of traumatic experiences. It's not something to be proud of, it's a negative condition.
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BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you even know what cynicism is...
But you'll twist it in any way you can to make yourself feel superior by virtue of age.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, it ain't.
Squuiirree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, that is actually pretty neat.
Empyrealist ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You overestimate the earth's balance. Its not that its going kill everything. Its that it's altering the balance in a way that is going to negatively affect civilization as we know it and expect it.
Would you rather have a stable stock market or a volatile one?
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Empyrealist ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:09:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for a small amount, via circumstantial exploitation. it's not good for civilization as a whole.
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Empyrealist ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:12:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when the food starts to run out, I look forward to your thoughtful analysis.
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Empyrealist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of our greatest inventions came from people lifted-up from poverty or out of impoverished nations. If it wasn't for various forms of charity over the centuries, we could very well still be living in the dark ages.
Keep stalking up on that ammo though.
Walses907 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sources? Interested to know examples because that would actually be really cool. :)
EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should also care about the other species though, even from a humancentric perspective. Many of the medicines we find nowadays are extracted from other species, often times obscure ones, whether it be plant or animal. Knowing that, we're causing a mass extinction could greatly hinder our ability to fight disease or maintain stable environments for our own crop and husbandry.
CuntSmellersLLP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chaos is a ladder.
D_Death ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this reference.
OwariNeko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I trust humanity to invest the right way...
MirthMannor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Volatile oceans are how you make dead people.
Inteli_Gent ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:45:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does the map need to be kept at such low temperatures?
Inconcinnity ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:14:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Editing in your anti climate change agenda after getting all your upvotes, huh? You're a terrible person
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joe847802 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:07:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Childish to it seems.
smartysmarts ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 20:13:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well no, it's not overblown. Yes the ocean can take in tremendous amounts of heat energy, but that's exactly what we're trying to stop. If the ocean's average temperatures increases by approximately 5 degrees Celsius, it will reach the boiling point for methane. At which point the methane bubbles up to the surface and becomes the newer, more dangerous CO2 for global warming. This is thought to be what triggered a mass extinction a while back that killed off 90 to 95 percent of all living things.
hum_bucker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm no scientist, and I'm too lazy to do any math on this, but it seems to me that raising the temperature of the ocean 5 degrees would take about 47 countries polluting at China levels for about 1000 years. Like, that's an incredible increase.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the parts that are 700F.
speederaser ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:07:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's dangerous to say. Even tiny increases in temperature, due to global warming, are killing off some species as we speak. Others have mentioned all the coral that is dying in water that has been the exact same temperature for centuries, but now is warming rapidly.
Poeticyst ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:42:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't the water freeze if it's below zero?
SQUIDSQUAAAAD ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:59:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not under certain pressure and salinity conditions. The water above the bottom layer of ocean water is regularly zero degrees Celsius IIRC.
RenaKunisaki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to some quick math and numbers I found on Google, the freezing point of water could get below -20ยฐC at the pressures found at the bottoms of the oceans.
Ratertheman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Na, ever wonder why all of the water isn't frozen at the poles? It is pretty interesting stuff.
fishsticks40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clever girl
Syphon8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realise that the ocean floor is covered in methane clathrates in many places, and the lower levels heating would sublimate that methane, and further accelerate climate change, right?
You realise that temperature/salinity differences in the oceans levels drive the global current, and disrupting those things could either shut down or irreperably alter it, fundamentally changing the world climate in a matter of years, right?
Climate change isn't overblown. You just don't know as much about the climate as you think you do--a common theme for people who say things like this.
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Syphon8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:05:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Learn to read.
This is literally already going on. Methane in the equatorial Pacific has started to thaw.
You should look up the younger Dryas.
Please stop trying to spread information about climate change when you're so woefully misinformed.
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Syphon8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:16:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/earth/hundreds-of-methane-vents-discovered-off-coast-of-pacific-northwest/
Try learning something.
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Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have the reading comprehension of a 4 year old.
They say that a feedback loop of heating from methane release is still hypothetical.... As it should be until the point of no return when all the methane is being released.
The fact that it's already bubbling up in the Pacific is not hypothetical, nor is the fact that it's thawing in Siberia.
Look dude, you clearly aren't a scientist and you clearly don't understand the shit you're arguing about. "It's still hypothetical" is a creationist level response to that article.
Quit while you're behind.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:00:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's already that cold down there, we should just freeze the ocean and lift it up with helicopters to make the mapping of the ocean floor easier. Might even find that Malaysian jet.
metastasis_d ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:33:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a fucking idiot. When we froze the ocean and lifted it, where do you think the Malaysian airliner is going to be, still on the former ocean floor? No! It's going to be in the ice.
Jesus dude
whisperingsage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But now we can see it through the ice. Because ice is clear. Duh.
Ragidandy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:21:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China's already convinced, they are progressing toward clean energy faster than almost anyone else. Convincing the U.S. would be the real solution.
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Ragidandy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:32:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, just their actions and where they're putting their money and research. Their government is behind clean energy in exactly the way the government of the U.S. is not.
EventHorizonn ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:15:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they actually gave a shit they would stop burning coal like they do. Look up some documentaries or articles on the smog issues in china. They don't give a shit. It's just them trying to save face and get people to think they're actually doing something and to make others look bad. "Look at us we are so progressive and clean! But the US is so bad and dirty!" Bullshit, and they know it. They are as big as liars as Russia is and you are feeding right into it. Not one coal plant has been retrofitted to burn cleaner. If they actually cared they could of retrofitted nearly every plant by years end yet they haven't done shit.
Ragidandy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:04:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would they stop burning coal? Like the U.S. has? There is no such thing as clean coal. That's U.S. propaganda, as is the China-hate you seem to be espousing. China is not a perfect country, but the direction their energy sector is going is far superior to the U.S.
China is developing its energy sector faster than any country in the history of the world. They are also deploying more clean energy capacity faster than an other country. Their demand and supply have more than quadrupled in less than a decade and continues to grow that quickly. Of course they haven't shut down the coal plants. The U.S. hasn't shut its down either and the U.S. could do so much easier. China's smog is terrible: it is killing their people including the rich, the powerful, and the governors. They are heavily motivated and at this rate they will have cleaner air with three times the population in half the space compared to the U.S. in twenty years. The U.S. should be ashamed and motivated rather than irrationally disbelieving.
Inform yourself better. This information is extremely easy to find. China deployed almost as much new solar capacity last year as Germany has in total. These sources are not from China; this one includes comments from the president of the U.S.
Frankly, this information is pervasive; believing it to be propaganda is on par with believing the world to be flat.
dezom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
of course they give a shit (they're living in the damn smog and looking at how they've been investing in renewable energy recently proves that) but it's not exactly a solution to just stop burning coal. the country is already dependent on coal and removing that energy source is impossible for them right now since it would probably completely shut down the entire place. reduced energy -> industry/food/water/infrastructure being dramatically affected.
charizardpoop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh You! ๐
DCJ3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though most of the extra heat goes into the oceans, the amount of extra heat that ends up in the atmosphere still has an effect on climate. Plus, the oceans aren't just warming, they are getting more acidic, leading to large-scale coral reef death and other ecosystem changes.
Gredditor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:19:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile all of the animals and crops don't have the ability to absorb heat like that... and ice isn't very good at being above freezing temperatures. So...
awesomedan24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:25:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure the ocean can absorb the heat, and gradually continue to kill off ocean life in the process
dogbiskitz1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually China is middle of the pack
SellMeBtc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, no. Global warming isn't overblown...
Cosmicpalms ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't the issue the polar caps melting and the sea level rising? Not the actual temperature of the water.. which still is an issue. The ocean only needs a ridiculously small percentile increase to effect the ecosystem. We are seeing this here in Australia, I wouldn't call it over blown - the Great Barrier Reef is dying
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saxybandgeek1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trials have shown that literally warming the water is all that is needed to kill reefs
EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like the entire world burning coal, China is definitely not the only offender and portraying them to be the "bad guy" isn't helping
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EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just not true for one, and burning coal isn't the only source of CO2 entering the atmosphere/oceans either.
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DCJ3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you put more CO2 in the atmosphere, you get more energy at Earth's surface. They are very much coupled.
super117knight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna know more about that
nicih ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why you always take things so literal?
Just joking, you made my evening man!
brickmack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet they haven't. Temperatures are already rising.
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Torque_Bow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:17:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The higher the temperature, the more water vapor in the air at any given time, and water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas. So warming has feedback effects that promote further warming.
brickmack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:28:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats... not how any of this works. Global warming is a positive feedback loop. Higher temperatures result in the ice caps melting which reduces earths albedo and simultaneously releases a bunch of trapped greenhouse gasses in the ice and underground, meanwhile water in the oceans evaporates faster and the atmosphere ends up with more water vapor in it (very strong greenhouse gas), and warm water is less able to support dissolved gasses so CO2 in the oceans gets released and aquatic plant life dies off so less CO2 gets filtered out. Once slightly destabilized, it very rapidly moves away from equilibrium
DCJ3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's assuming climate is like a "bowl" with a local minimum on the temperature versus energy input graph. That's not the case. If anything, it seems to be linear in our regime (e.g. there is a linear relationship between cumulative carbon emissions an equilibrium temperature).
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DCJ3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Locally (in a mathematical sense) it can be. I'll try to find that graph so I can be more specific.
mlkybob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would this mean that global warming is overblow?
bombardonist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, sure. But can the delicate and vital for our way of life, shallow surface currents say the same. Or can the same be said for the various glaciers and sheet ice who's melting drastically effects ecosystems and who's melt displaces vast quantities of warmer water. And surely it can't be said for the entirety of the atmosphere who's raising temperatures have seen unprecedented meteorological events impacting the lives of millions directly. But of course none of this matters because the deep ocean can just absorb the heat magically without it impacting any of the complex environmental systems we rely on.
rwtwm1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're joking right? Have you heard of convection?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's that cold, (32-38 Freedom Degrees), why can't we just live there and then warm it up?
Deathcommand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well.. Animals that live near the surface need a certain temperature to live. Those make a lot of oxygen for us. But as they die, there is more co2 and that makes the water more acidic but then because it's acidic more organisms die.
The earth isn't in trouble. We are.
Timothy_Claypole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that is the case then why aren't they doing it right now? We're seeing continuing record global temperatures.
Blanco__Nino ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate denier! The thought police would like a word.
ran0427 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While the ocean is a huge heat sync were talking about a change in the global average of 6ยฐ that would melt ice caps and Siberian peat bogs that would release massive amounts of methane and carbon dioxide causing even more of a temperature change. It is not over blown because all that ice would raise water levels so much that Orlando would have waterfront property and that's just the US, coastal islands in the Pacific would be completely underwater and everyone would have to move much further inland.
There is a reason scientists are freaked out about global climate change.
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ran0427 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're not talking a 100 year time frame, were talking a 50 or less year timeframe this is happening now and it's not just a matter of moving people, floods and tidal waves are likely, hurricanes and tropical storms much more frequently and at higher latitudes. We're talking hurricanes in England and annihilating floods at every coast, this planet will be very unsafe to live on
SergeantGrumblz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying that climate scientists are currently failing to account for this??
fishsticks40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ocean heat capacity is well accounted for in the models. And vertical heat transport through the water column is very slow. It is true that the oceans have enormous heat capacity - the vast majority of the excess energy that has already been absorbed by the planet is in them now - but that's already baked into the estimates you've seen.
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Syphon8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for also rebuffing this assclown.
Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you just post nothing but uninformed bullshit?
Syphon8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Average seafloor temperature is consistent globally. 0-3 c.
Surface temperature varies considerably, 0-20+ c
Stop bullshitting.
fishsticks40 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol no they don't. Find a single source to support that. It violates basic physics and key tenets of oceanography.
sealpoacher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't China trying to reduce their coal consumption already?
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sealpoacher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn... Thanks for the insight.
ln46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest issue with the global warming is that the ocean's ecosystem is threatened, starting with the death of coral, which is the backbone of all fish and life in the ocean. This is late but I find that no one seems to know the danger of a warming ocean.
notwearingwords ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can absorb more heat, and more CO2. But at what cost?
Between invasive species and heat, we are already watching the coral reefs die. Kelp forests are close behind.
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notwearingwords ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:22:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acidification is one factor, but bleaching due to high heat is currently causing extensive damage and loss.
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notwearingwords ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although bleaching can happen in the absence of heat stress, rising temperatures are a known cause of bleaching events, and scientists are tracking and predicting mass bleaching events based on ocean temperature (NOAA). The major bleaching events we are seeing globally are directly related to rising ocean temperatures due to climate change.
This 2017 study examined the heat influences of recent mass bleaching events on Torres Strait and the GBR: http://hdl.handle.net/2078.1/185674
This paper is a good comprehensive overview of temperature induced bleaching: https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/22874078.pdf
Those are both good papers to start reading about temperature and coral reefs. I have recently been looking at the role of nitrogen fixation in other bleaching events, and would like to read more about other sources of bleaching. Please share!
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notwearingwords ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am sorry if you believed it was an argument. I was not presenting it as such, I was presenting facts that we know about bleaching.
Bleaching happens during times of high stress for corals. High heat is one of those high stresses. High heat events have increased dramatically recently, causing many mass bleaching events. It has become so severe that we can now track and record these events. We are watching the corals die.
DigDubbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4 deg. C is when water is most dense, sinks to the ocean floor, and doesn't turn the whole ocean to ice from the bottom up. Right?
just4fuuunn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes that's true but unfortunately water has a high specific heat capacity so it takes a long time for the heat to transfer to those depths. A good example is the difference in temperature between day and night for a humid vs dry climate.
V1per41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China isn't the one that needs to be convinced.
Also, the bottom of the ocean is 0-3 C simply from the pressure involved.
saxybandgeek1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the tiny shift in temperature in the ocean is way more detrimental than the same small shift on land. The ocean's ecosystem is just as important as the land's
BothBawlz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be 4ยฐC because water is most dense at that temperature?
kooarbiter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:40:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
who lost?
RenaKunisaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone who took the bait.
FalloutMaster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:55:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Water is a fantastic conductor of heat, true. But warming the oceans will have some very adverse effects.
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joe847802 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even warming up just a but is no good.
SlaneDidNothingWrong ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:16:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's good for everything...
Except the ice sheets in Greenland, the Antarctic, and all of the Arctic as a whole.
I don't want to drown tyvm
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SlaneDidNothingWrong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:21:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I am a crippled spider.
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:26:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The deeper you go, the cooler it gets!
thbigjeffrey ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:33:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fortunately not true my friend :) . If it did all the ice would form at the Bottom of the ocean and stay there. Thankfully this doesn't happen otherwise we wouldn't be here! The bottom of all oceans around the world have temperatures of roughly 3/5c as this is the temperature where water is the most dense so it sinks :)
Wrathchilde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For fresh water...
For seawater, the coldest temperatures are often below 0C. See: Bottom Water Formation
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WEll, my post was more of the punny variety, but the bottom of the ocean is cooler than the surface. It's just a far slower decrease in temps below the thermocline.
The deeper you go, the cooler it gets - until about 3C.
onishchukd5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The coolest in fact. Imagine all the stuff we might be able to discover.
How deep into the ocean floor can we see with out taking a physical sample?
anderson_t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure that's what the citizens of Innsmouth thought too.
Smackstainz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"And the devil lives here"
WhiteMike32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially making it onto VR stage. People would dream again in new ways especially with the corals, and oceanlife damage that comes every day
_Giddy ยท 797 points ยท Posted at 15:51:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ocean is so scary when you think about. The creatures that have been found down there are so fascinating and just makes me wonder how many more are out there.
ryandunking ยท 363 points ยท Posted at 16:25:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes it even worse is the fact that we know less than 15% of everything that lives down there. (That percentage could be wrong, last I checked it was 17% but that was a while ago).
toxicbrew ยท 555 points ยท Posted at 17:00:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always wondered how they come up with these figures. If you don't know the total, how do you know the percentage?
Trapped_SCV ยท 1750 points ยท Posted at 18:19:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scientists look in their pokedex and circle all of the blank lines. They then divide by the number of lines.
beer_is_tasty ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 01:28:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/shittyaskscience
GetItReich ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 22:59:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/unexpectedpokemon
Buht_Secks ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 01:21:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God this got me.
Trapped_SCV ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 03:00:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might enjoy /r/kenm which is where I got the reference.
Milo359 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Arceus this got me.
JonaerysStarkgaryen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:28:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
imagine a super pokedex for the entire animal kingdom...
Golden-Sun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:50:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All those form changes and location variants really stack up
eMan117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:04:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math checks out. Bulletproof.
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chennyalan ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 00:08:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that's assuming that the ocean floor has an even distribution of unique species?
Sanchezq ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 00:45:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun science fact: a lot of assumptions are made when we don't have complete data because it's the best we can do.
KannabisKat ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 01:46:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a person in a white coat shrugs their shoulders we're trying.
temporalarcheologist ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 19:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well we make up a list of all sea creatures and then circle the ones we don't know. there are only 6 undiscovered species in our wonderful ocean.
tlalocstuningfork ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 19:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
temporalarcheologist ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:52:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sorry I forgot to mention that some of us like to circle with our trusty friend the triangle
FiIthy_Communist ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:29:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pastor says triangles have no part in a well rounded diet.
temporalarcheologist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:47:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when will people realize that diets are just big waste disposal trying to make things more lax on the job. which is why I petitioned for a government-wide anti laxative
godofpainTR ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GOOD idea
temporalarcheologist ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pastor says butt sex is okay as long as you don't abort a fart
prettierlights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks Ken
BeefBonerManPackage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jon?
temporalarcheologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
like my pastor says, let us not forget our good friend the H
Fearlessleader85 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:01:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can model your unknowns by assessing the rate at which you are finding new things considering your current efforts and methods. You just have to match a statistical model to the current data by saying, "We are covering X% of the ocean per year and finding Y new species, assuming our studies fairly represent the total biodiversity, we will find Z new species for every 1% of ocean investigated."
SadICantPickUsername ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't know, they're estimations. A lot of assumptions have to be made for this. There's a formula called the capture-recapture which estimates populations with proportions.
TheMegaEmperor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:06:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like when they say 17% of Americans have "x" disorder and 87% of those are not diagnosed. I'm like, how on earth do we know who has it if they haven't been diagnosed?
FakeSound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:35:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a decent sized sample of people, screen for symptoms of "x", do differential diagnosis to confirm "x", then see what percentage of those people had been previously diagnosed with it. Some may have been diagnosed with "y" or "z", others not at all, still more wouldn't have even been to the doctor about their symptoms (or "x" may not present with symptoms).
TheMegaEmperor ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 11:45:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it never really accurately translates to a whole population.
Pingwinho ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it doesn't, it's staticstics.
FakeSound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but it's an extrapolation. A lot of things are worked out that way. A larger sample size decreases margin of error, but it's not "perfect". It isn't really feasible to screen an entire national population (with obvious exceptions like Liechtenstein), which would defeat the object of these medical adverts quoting that "87% of 17%" statistic anyway.
marshal_mellow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By process of elimination.
Globo_Gym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You take the world as a whole, subtract green areas, and places like gulf of Mexico, then round to the nearest number that sounds right.
PennyLisa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Statistical methods. Take 100 things from the ocean floor and figure out what percentage are not previously known to science, then put them back and do it again with another 100 somewhere else. Eventually you work out an average.
You can also predict the total number of species by the way in which the rate of new discoveries declines as you put effort in to finding them.
artemis_nash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:40 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm picturing a scientist in a lab coat standing on a boat rocking out in the middle of the ocean somewhere dumping a bucket of random floppy slimy sea creatures overboard and being like "alright, got that set John, go scoop up another one" haha
beavermakhnoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a famous r/kenm post about this
rustyshackleford193 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:15:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other 85% is probably the same pale crabs, slugs and other critters
_bieber_hole_69 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:29:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right? Its not like theres huge monsters down there. Just smaller, different forms of other sea life. Except collasal squids.
DiabolicSpartan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Definitely no ghost Leviathans down there... But to be safe, I'll stick to the shallows.
chasingstatues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm less interested in potential monsters and more interested in potential medicines.
rustyshackleford193 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:03:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the cure for cancer is swimming around down there, somewhere.
SlowlyPhasingOut ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:49:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They made a list of known sea creatures and circled the ones that aren't on the list.
ScenicToaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:48:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The megaladon movie on shark week a few years back was total bullshit and absolutely ridiculous. They did cite this fact though. They said its totally plausible that it's never been caught on camera, or that it's somewhere insanely deep. Which kind of makes sense considering how little we know of the ocean. It's probably not true but it blew my mind thinking that maybe there's some crazy dinosaur shark lurking somewhere that we've never seen.
artemis_nash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:37 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would really love to hear more from a shark biologist or whatever about how this could be possible. Like you I highly doubt it, but it's a hell of a lot more plausible than like, a skunk ape in the Everglades or something. They would live, breed, die, and leave all the evidence of their existence miles and miles down where we would never find it.
brando56894 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, they always say we know far more about space than we do our own oceans which is mind boggling.
HearTheEkko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me wonder if there's still prehistoric animals living down there, like the infamous Megalodon and Kraken.
Unlikely, but scary if it was true.
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Wrathchilde ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:17:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is an incredible amount of diverse life in every deep ocean environment. You might not see it as you fly by laying cable, but hang out in one spot for a few minutes and life finds you, especially if you bring some bait.
Check out the Inner Space Center some time. Or even the Center for Dark Energy Biosphere Investigations,C-DEBI
Source, Deep Submergence Science professional.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wrathchilde ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:46:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is relative, but not ambiguous. The literature often uses such characterization:
I'd be happy to share with you the current estimates for biological abundance in the deep ocean, and subsea biosphere if you are interested.
artemis_nash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:36 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A day late and not the person you were replying to, but I would love to see that information! Don't go putting yourself out finding a ton of sources (I trust you if you were to quote statistics you know without citing official sources for every one) but even whatever your perceptions are off the top of your head would be super cool to hear! I've never considered SUBseafloor biomass before!
Wrathchilde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:15 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should check out the Center for Dark Energy Biosphere Investigations
The lowest estimate is in this paper:
Global distribution of microbial abundance and biomass in subseafloor sediment
That's just the microbes, not the benthic macro-organisms.
artemis_nash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:32 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa. Just, whoa. And to think we thought bacteria only lived on land until recently.
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Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have literally no way of knowing this.
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tribefan89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no knowledge of the subject but let me see if I can explain. I think /u/Wrathchilde is saying that you are in fact seeing the ocean floor but (maybe) the same spots or, since your laying cable, your company intentionally does so in less diverse areas of the ocean floor as not to interfere with the critters living down amongst the rest of the ocean floor.
So, see you're both right in a way, it seems.
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tribefan89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's not exactly what I meant I just figured you probably had like a route figured out or something, but like I said I have no knowledge of any of that shit. I wouldn't assume you would route around anything unless you had to.
Syphon8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy isn't right about anything. He's bullshitting hard core.
Syphon8 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:03:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah? You've stared at the millions of unimaged square km of ocean floor?
You should probably contact some oceanographers and share your wealth of information.
Idiot.
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Syphon8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:10:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You understand the ocean floor is not homogenous, right?
Bud, you are way out of your element. Quit while you're behind.
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Syphon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am seriously beginning to doubt that you have.
TruthSpeaker ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 20:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so dark and deep down there and sometimes you get the feeling the ocean is so angry with you, as you watch all those giant shadowy shapes shuffling past you, and you softly pray they won't see you as prey.
Your whole life seems to flash before you and then, as if coming from a billion miles away, you hear the voice of your Mom calling, "Lola . . .Lola . . . Lola" which is bizarre because your name is Keith.
You're right the ocean is scary.
BadSleepSchedule ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:07:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You gave me a good chuckle. Thank u
TruthSpeaker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:12:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Your comment made my day.
courtoftheair ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:14:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the live streams of the Okeanos Explorer and you might see some!
DukeLeto10191 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okeanos Explorer is in port at the moment, but E/V Nautilus is at at sea right now, doing several dives with their ROVs over the next few days:
Nautilus Live
Okeanos Explorer
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It didn't occur to me that it would sound like I was saying watch today, my bad. I literally put it on my calendar so I assume other people will too. There are highlights on their Twitter and YouTube though!
Nautilus is great too, just be warned they're much louder than the Okeanos crew. I got a massive fright the first time they found a cool thing.
donkeyb0ng ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:06:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
waits for someone to post some scary looking sea creature shit
Dassive_Mick ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/thalassophobia
BILL_GATESSSSSS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:13 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL i wont click that sh*t
BebopDC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's dark. Everything down there is the stuff of nightmares and it snows frozen poop from the fish above. The bottom of the ocean is hell.
MadnessofKingHippo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an alien planet within our own planet
dagreja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An even scarier thing to think about is the fact that some of the ones we haven't discovered might be so freaky in a way that makes it hard to find. Possibly even things that survive off of things we couldn't even fathom before. Like the places we can't get to are hard to get to due to ridiculous environmental conditions, so anything is possible.
kosherkitties ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a lot of shark week this year. So many undiscovered species, it's so cool.
Naalcrit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have ever played ARK: Survival Evolved, the ocean is a fucking nightmare. There are so many creatures that will kill you without a second glance, and it's basically impossible to get your stuff back if you die.
Dayowulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:49:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always say the ocean is so scary that evolution eventually decided to gtfo the water.
ReverendMoist ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! That's my job! Er, that is to say, making maps of geologically interesting features on the ocean floor occasionally.
toxicbrew ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:00:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must really enjoy the new maps Australia put out from from Malaysia airlines search
FeralDrood ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:15:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
ReverendMoist ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:37:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check this out: http://marine.projects.ga.gov.au/mh370-phase-one-data-release.html
ReverendMoist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:36:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do! My phd advisor did part of his dissertation on Broken Ridge and Australia released a couple of really detailed maps of that area.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:47 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ReverendMoist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:52 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it really depends on what part of the field you want to get into. Are you interested in doing what I do-- geological research with these maps? Are you interested in just learning to run the equipment for a research or exploration vessel?
I work in academia, so the minimum for entry into the research side is pretty much set at a masters degree in some relevant subject (I have a phd). There is a LOT to learn.
If you'd like to work as a technician on academic research ships, I'm sure a BS or MS in something like acoustics, or an engineering field would be enough (one of my favorite techs-- who is a redditor actually --has a degree in Computer Science IIRC). In government/industry I think you would just need a BS in a STEM field. I have no industry experience though, so I'm not an authority by any stretch.
A way to get training on the equipment without dealing with university is the military. I once met a guy who was a sonar technician in the Navy, who was pretty knowledgeable on the technical side of this stuff. He is still in the military to my knowledge, but I imagine he could probably land a job with a mapping survey or exploration company, when he gets out, if there's openings.
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ReverendMoist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:16 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh! Got it. Actually, check your university to see if they have any marine science lower division lectures-- they can be lots of fun and very informative!
Also, it's not a bad idea to run by the library or your school bookstore and pick up a general Oceanography text for just reading at your own pace and so you can get an overview of the various subfields of Oceanography: physical oceanography, geological oceanography (my field), biological oceanography, chemical oceanography-- the ocean basins are incredibly diverse and fascinating.
I will say that a CS degree will put you in a very good place no matter what you do. Good programmers are always wanted in the sciences-- especially in Oceanography.
If you can find a class on computational modeling (usually through the Physics department) or on scientific programming, I'd highly recommend it. Data analysis too. Those skills are highly valuable.
I have a CS background myself (I was a Comp. Eng. major initially before I switched to Geophysics). I actually partially put myself through undergrad by working as a contract programmer for various scientists in our marine science department. Lots of demand for cheap (my school has an upper limit on what you are allowed to pay undergrads for work) software developers in the sciences haha. Also made a shit ton of contacts that way which helped me get into grad school.
Best of luck! IMO you're setting yourself up to be in a really great position no matter what you decide to do.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:33:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's super cool! I'm an oceanography student (focusing chemistry) but I love watching and learning how benthic maps are made! I even have like three favorite sea mounts. Let me know if you need an intern :)
ReverendMoist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ooooh, what are your favorite seamounts?
Ya we use multibeam echosounding techniques to make these relatively high-resolution (in some places 25 m/pixel) maps. I also use acoustic impulses to make 2D and 3D maps of density layers of rock beneath the seafloor (that's actually most of my job).
If you're in undergrad and get a chance to go on a marine geology research cruise, def jump on it. They are usually mapping cruises.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Local seamount: Davidson for sure. MBARI has done some great work there.
Far away seamount: Sedlo, which is more of a guyot but still oneof my favorites.
This past spring, I took a sampling techniques course and I was amazed by the complexity of acoustic sounding. That sounds like a really fun job. I have always really enjoyed geology but I'm just good at chemistry; hopefully I can find a balance between the two in grad school.
ReverendMoist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:17:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very cool! I'm using MBARI imagery off the southern California coast atm for a project I'm working on. Great data sets for sure.
For me, I'd have to say my favorite far-field seamount is probably Tchaikovsky Seamount in the Musicians group. It's about 990 km NW of Honolulu and about 3.5 km from the seafloor to the tip. If it existed on younger oceanic crust at that height it would likely be subaerial. The whole Musicians group is interesting IMHO.
I have a special connection to Tchaikovsky-- I did a presentation on flexural loading of the crust for a class in my first year of grad school. I fit a 3D gaussian object and modeled the flexural loading of the object to try to simulate the plate deformation around Tchaikovsky. It wasn't perfect, but I got an A lol.
For local seamounts... at the risk of doxxing myself-- there's a lot of really fascinating bathymetry in the Inner California Borderlands off the coast of southern California. One of my favorites is Lasuen Knoll, about 25 km south of Huntington Beach, which is a compressional structure caused by faults in the area. About 30 km south of Lasuen Knoll is another unnamed bathymetric feature that is bisected and offset by a rather large fault. I've taken to calling it the "Camel Toe" in private company, but I doubt that name will fly with the scientific community haha.
There is a balance between the two in Geochemistry! I always envied geochemists-- they generally go to pretty cool locations (e.g. random remote Pacific Islands). They depend greatly on undersea maps to show tectonic processes in play that explain a certain rock chemistry.
FL14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:50:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where are you in school? I'm an Oceanography student too!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:03:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humboldt State University in Northern CA. :)
FL14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:17:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome. University of Washington here!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey that's awesome! Been looking at the grad program there!
vaipandotcom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would there be any benefit to mapping the entire ocean floor?
ReverendMoist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking as a geologist: I'd love it because then I could see in detail how certain tectonic features are reflected in the bathymetry.
I know the US Navy is very interested in high resolution maps because potentially driving a submarine into an uncharted seamount is not appealing.
I also think it would help in some ways with resource extraction, but I'm not an expert in that field.
We do already have some pretty dope maps of the ocean floor taken by satellites measuring gravity perturbations. The only problem is that the resolution is on the order of kilometers and sometimes features are misrepresented due to artifacts in processing, etc.
The higher resolution maps that get made using echosounding are fantastic in that they can resolve a lot of questionable features, but unfortunately the field of view is narrow necessarily and expensive (can be in the tens of thousands of dollars per day depending on the ship) so it will take a very long time at a very high cost to really map the ocean floor.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my lecturers at university got commissioned by the government to create an updated map of a section of the ocean floor off the southern Australian coast. The last time that area was mapped was way back in the 1860s.
Wrathchilde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way to go.
this_guy_here_says ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:14:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Googles already on it I'm sure with some cool submarine, and bing has a dude snorkeling around with an etch-a-sketch
rytis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:41:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a submersible self driving Google car taking pics every 10 meters. Then we can get traffic patterns for blue fin tuna, turtles, humpback whales, nuclear subs, etc.
thugg3ry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Road congestion ahead. Warhead jam
OceanFloor ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 18:17:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm...some privacy please...
ThatPizzaSlice ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:42:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/beetlejuicing
highflyingcircus ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coincidentally, the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (you may remember the few weeks in which nothing else was on the news except its disappearance) led to detailed mapping of 46,000 square miles of the Indian Ocean. Shipwrecks, volcanoes, underwater landslides, and deep trenches were some of the features discovered.
fuckjayce ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:17:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
man fuck the ocean whatever's down there I don't wanna know
tanaka-taro ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:07:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kaiju's
EmeraldFlight ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:20:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/thassalophobia
ferdinand14 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:37:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spelling. It's thallasophobia.
EmeraldFlight ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understandable mistake
OhSoManyQuestions ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is mine for sure
55Stripes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:43:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damnit. Came here to say this. I think studying other planets/heavenly bodies is important, but FFS there's still an enormous amount of the ocean yet to be seen by human eyes.
huxrules ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:55:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a oceanographer I can tell you this is nearly impossible. Hundred ships for a hundred years type thing. Also what resolution? The finer the longer it will take. Its all that damn water.
BigMouse12 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just being able to see the changes in depths.
huxrules ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you like looking at the sea floor here is the new map of the Gulf of Mexico generated by the BOEM - itโs 40x40ft I believe
Wrathchilde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take 100m2 resolution so we can identify where we can use 1m2.
SubParNoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is the coast even fully mapped yet? I thought there were places eg. some areas of venezuela where data is presumed to be off. Off by WGS84 anyway.
huxrules ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The coastline of the world has been digitized since the first Landsat days. Of course the coastline moves daily. As for has the entire underwater coast been mapped? Even the United States has areas that have never been mapped with any kind of instrument. Now these areas are usually remote (and in Alaska) but some areas have never been surveyed with any technology. Then there are tons of regions that have data from before WWII where hydrographers measured the seabed using lead lines (sonar wasn't in use until after WWII pretty much). Here is a post on the vintage of Alaskan surveys. Look closely there area areas that report no vintage (never been surveyed). Then look at the areas with pre 1940 data, those areas were dudes with a sextant, a bar of lead, and a rope.
SubParNoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey thanks this is interesting. Those very small green dots at the top seem strange considering the other areas are larger area. That's because of Ice I guess?
huxrules ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's what I do, although now for pipeline/telecom routes.
cutelyaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The resolution is the question. We've certainly mapped all the oceans at some minimum resolution and will always be able to do better.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only mapped out, but easily accessible to students. I am an oceanography student and we work with global data to try and approximate trends in the ocean, but we are really dealing with transects that we think apply to the whole ocean. This leads to a lot of assumptions and unpredictability.
LadyGeoscientist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like my job... but with rocks instead. Cross sections every damn day.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rocks! Geology is a love of mine, I'm not very good at it, but I like it. My great grandmother was one of the first female geologists in Arizona and I recently found her collection of trilobite fossils. Girls who like rocks are cool! Even if we are a little crazy.
LadyGeoscientist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy.... or crazy cool? ;) That sounds like an awesome collection!!
karl-tanner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:37:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
BigMouse12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:59:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cause it's our planet and it's incredibly large portion of it
karl-tanner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It just sounds weird. Out of all the discoveries/cures/accomplishments that we could see in 50 years, you picked mapping the sea floor.
BigMouse12 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:16:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently it's popular on Reddit.
But think about it, while it might sound boring, compared to lasers or space, or less important than curing cancer. It's our planet, the only planet that we know for sure that supports life. The ocean floor has points that are vastly deeper than the highest point on the planet.
There are jelly fish that never truly die, squids that handle pressure greater than any ship we've ever built.
Some of the responses I've gotten have talked about learning about deep rocks abc how our planet was formed, seeing volcanoes, and discovering life.
There's a lot to learn about our oceans still, and mapping it out will be an important piece to understanding what's there.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised just how important it would be. The umbrella effect would be enormous from medicine to business and further.
kommiesketchie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's gonna need a lot of sugar cane and cows...
Juanistheloneliest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and finding god damn mh370 while they're at it
rytis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or even Amelia.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'm working on it.
Hao_Xiao_Mao ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you sure you want to see what's down there? shudders
Charlopa24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A google earth view of the ocean floor would be amazing.
merlinfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the ocean is one of those weird things. once you get a few miles off the coast, the average depth is SO fucking deep, that it's hard to even really understand.
Texas_Rangers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:47 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of my ex tbh
Stronglike8ull2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should honestly be the top comment next to fully renewable energy. We know more about the Moon than the ocean floor. We've only explored like 10% of the ocean? Just imagine what other creatures and formations are down there
_InTheDesert_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most don't realise that the ocean is not just a dump for our waste but the major part of our planet even being more responsible for cleaning our air than rainforests. But hey, let's all spend a few more billion mapping a dead planet we're never going to live on!
LadyGeoscientist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:01:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Geologists are interested in those maps because it helps give us an idea of sedimentation processes and landscape evolution here on earth. That research helps us have some idea of what was happening in the past, what is happening now, and could/will happen to the planet in the future. The advantage is that it's cheaper to map those planets than the sea floor, it's easier to see what's going on due to the 100% outcrop exposure, and it's undeveloped. (Vegetation and human impact make studying landscapes very challenging here.)
There are a LOT of post doc geoscientists working in top level research institutions that do work in planetary studies in addition to applications here on earth.
_InTheDesert_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked in academic research years ago and in fact worked with some researchers on these topics. Mostly they are full of shit. There is a reason why it is increasingly difficult to recreate the results we read about in sexy science papers (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3917235/ etc.). The reason being that their results are either lies or flukes with no real correlation.
I myself when conducting my Masters which partly consisted of recreating the results of another paper, was not only able to only partially recreate these prior results, but found that the results from the original paper (from a major Australian research institute) were extremely flawed and were obviously false positives.
My point is that as a society we have limited time and money for research and there is a lot more money for sexy headline making research that is not actually practically useful or in fact likely to be genuine, than boring but practical and useful research. Everyone loves talking about Mars and looking at Mars pictures and sucking Elon Musk's dick. However Mars is smaller than Earth and has significantly lower gravity, it has no magnetic field, it has either always been dead or has been dead for perhaps millions of years if not greatly more. It is barely comparable to Earth and we are NEVER going to live there.
I understand people want to do cool science that they can talk about at parties (I have worked with these people), but it is a waste of our limited time and money. As our environment dies and we run out of time we need to focus on Earth, not a dead planet.
For my part I now work in private industry where we actually try to help people instead of working on nonsense pipe-dreams. If I do my Phd some day, it will be focused on practical research not sci-fi nonsense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which makes the pernicious efforts by some people who must-not-be-named to kill NASA's earth sciences budget are f'ing criminal (figuratively).
Studying the climate of "dead" planets does provide a good counterpoint to how our own may go wrong, but I take it you'd say the cost to benefit is much lower?
_InTheDesert_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Mars didn't die because of human industry and wastefulness. It died because it exploded it's insides out onto its surface, lost its magnetic field and was then subsequently ravaged by solar radiation. How the fuck is studying that going to save Earth?
I'm not saying don't study it, I'm saying maybe let's stop this shit of it being everybody's favourite science project that we all want to throw as much money at as possible when we don't even know everything that's under our oceans' surface. I understand that people love fame and fads and celebrity, but that doesn't make good science. Elon Musk needs to be famous to sell his cars etc so he talks about Mars and internet nerds go crazy. He talks about Mars because, for example, talking about mapping the ocean floor would make people switch off.
I'm so sorry for caring about Earth rather than Mars. I mean we could never possibly learn about environmental damage by maybe studying deserts or something could we? Maybe? Nah, you're right, let's focus on Mars.
This also reminds me of the space junk problem. Everyone loves talking about putting more shit in orbit, but no one wants to talk about cleaning our orbit up so all the crap up there doesn't destroy the satellites we already have.
LadyGeoscientist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:56 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars "exploded its insides out", huh? lol ok.
"Sexy science" rhetoric is great and all, but most science is not that sexy... even when you actually read the studies behind those headlines.
Your findings on the false positives in your research is exactly why we do what we do as scientists. We build a body of work and test a hypothesis until we have sufficient evidence to accept or reject it. Surely they taught you this in grad school?
_InTheDesert_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:04 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me ask you a question, have you ever worked in the private science industry? Academia is a playground for people who like the eternal college life.
I am not talking about false positives that are accidentally reported, I am talking about straight up lies. Things that only a fool or a liar would report if they expected them to be taken seriously by anyone willing to do real analysis of their results.
But of course academia does not require you to actually provide real evidence for your findings, just a nicely written paper with some good graphs that will look well on the list of publications of its "authors". And of course it's publish or perish so don't even think about working on boring science and don't even think about reporting negative results.
The difference between an academic lab and a private lab where there are actual stakes (both people's health and financial stakes) are enormous.
I have little respect for academia, it's a profession for show horses and I would never go back after leaving it years ago.
LadyGeoscientist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:04 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I've not worked in the private science industry as a researcher. Perhaps that's your problem right there? It's a lot easier to be paid to produce results in that industry, rather than test a theory.
I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say you don't need real evidence or that you can't report negative results... I haven't had these experiences at all. Quite the contrary. I've always been required to prove my results with numbers and I've seen lots of people report negative results. I have myself.
You sound... bitter.
_InTheDesert_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:13 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not bitter, just justified cynical. Science funding is poor enough as it is. Wasting it on cool stuff is saddening.
You say you have to prove your results with numbers. Do they come from the audit trail of a validated system? Or are you just writing them down in a report and saying "this is what I got, honest." Academia typically does not use accredited labs, it does not use locked hardware or software that provide locked audit trails and despite what you may have experienced there is little room for negative results in academia. And why does there need to be? There are no stakes. Throw out your bad results and report the good ones and you get a paper published and what's the harm done? If a private company did that they could end up killing somebody.
I feel your unwillingness to appreciate my point is the same as the funding/interest etc in research into mega-flora and mega-fauna. Everyone wants to pour money into saving big pretty animals and big pretty plants but ignores the ugly or small ones, forgetting that they are often far more important. For example algae (including algae in the sea) are far more important for recycling the Earth's air than trees, but just try and get a politician or a rock star interested in saving the algae as opposed to saving the rainforest.
My point is that I understand that for a lot of people that cool, sexy science like going to space etc is very appealing, but it is a waste of our limited time and money. When we're living on a dead Earth in 100 years time, how comforting will those awesome maps of Mars really be?
LadyGeoscientist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:20 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Say what you want, but I've been pouring theough scientific literature forty hours a week for the last three weeks. I've seen a LOT of negative results. I've also seen a ton of samples being sent to labs, both internally and externally. Guess what? All accredited.
My unwillingness to appreciate your point has nothing to do with interest-- it's because you're dead wrong.
Also, 100 years to planetary extinction? That's... exaggerated.
apw00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think r/mapporn would bust a nut
modudupup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a Google maps for the ocean floor! Like one that allows you to not only look at different latitude/longitude, but also elevation/depth so you can explore underwater mountain ranges and volcanoes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! I want this so bad. We have gone to the moon and have been mapping out mars, but we have no idea what is in our own ocean. We think there is nothing worth finding to advance us, but that doesn't mean there isn't.
We could even discover an underwater utopia that we can build on and have our first underwater colonies.
Scary-Brandon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sad thing is we'll probably discover alien life before that happens
BigMouse12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given the increasingly added factors for life to exist, it'll be a race between snails
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NOAA are doing an alright job with the Okeanos Explorer
TimSimply ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google Ocean, where you can explore the deep blue see at home.
batteries69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with this is that the ocean floor is constantly changing due to currents moving things around
DreadPirateLink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...Recreated with lego
BoiIedFrogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we also have it in google street view?
MetaByte7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, Jesus. As awesome as space and other planets sound, lets figure out our own planets mysteries beforehand....
10961138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In 3D.
ameliagillis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was the first thing i thought of when i read this question. Its amazing to think we know more about space than our own ocean. Theres got to be infinite things to find and learn about out there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats a pretty big wish.
GoodLordAlmighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck no. I'd rather live in ignorance of the horrendous creatures that roam the ocean depths.
Spazattack43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doubt it will happen within 100 years honestly
ran0427 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know more about planets that are a billion or more miles away than we do our own ocean floor
Frosticus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Potentially devastating to marine life. Doesn't the mapping use explosives which wipes out krill and what not?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, not exactly. Most mapping uses a sonar that "booms" (for lack of a better word) down to the sea floor and that boom resonates off the floor and back to the boat. How long and how fast that boom travels from the boat, to the floor, and back to the boat is how the mappers determine depth, and also any other things in the ocean like wrecks. There is still research needed to be done on how bad these booms wreck havoc on marine life, but so far the evidence is that that basic sonar that cartographers use doesn't do much damage.
Now, the big oil rigs and resource excavators....these guys really do use huge super sonic booms as they are trying to not just map the sea floor, but also penetrate it to find oil and gas. These booms have been shown to really interfere with whale songs during their migrations, and also dolphin echolocation. However, not enough research has been on smaller organisms like plankton.
toxicdreamland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, if they made a version of NASA whose mission it was to explore Earthโs oceans Iโd anxiously await anything they find. I feel like everybody is so concerned with the vastness of space, but not the vastness of our own planet.
Reluks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it crazy that we have a detailed map of the entire surface of mars and yet we haven't fully mapped our own planet.
TheYoungGriffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't have that yet?
DesuLegend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I've been dreaming of seeing this forever
Crackfigure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actually the seafloor is mapped out. It all depends on the level of detail you desire or require.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well sure, but then we'll awaken C'thulhu.
Death by C'thulhu is as good a death as you can have, I suppose.
Jlrussjr42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a theory that the ocean floor is just one giant sea creature/monster. Come at me flat earthers!
nythnggs4590 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh look. More sand. Cool."
supernebula64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, that's a mystery which I'd like to keep somewhat unknown
saigon13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paging James Cameron.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:22:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes definitely! It is amazing when you hear how comparitively little we know about the vastness of our own oceans. It sparks such an interesting parallel thought, that one can be blown away by the vastness of space, but also by the vastness of our own oceans, despite rather a big size difference!
raven00x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Deep Ones who control the NOAA will never allow it to happen though.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LadyGeoscientist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:46:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it will... it has huge implications for exploration. Oil companies fund things like this. We already have a complete map with 5km resolution... we have higher resolution in smaller study areas.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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temporalarcheologist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:50:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
came here to say this
herb_tea ยท -22 points ยท Posted at 14:18:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with the maps we have now? Planning a trip to Mariana Trench and can't see enough detail in google maps?
Tidalsky114 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:07:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google how much of the oceans we actually have explored.
Less than 5% of something that makes up 70% or better of our planet.
herb_tea ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 15:25:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Define "explored". We can "map" the sea floor with various technologies and we have.
Foxehh2 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you get by only reading 4 out of every 5 words?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TyGuyhi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
Tidalsky114 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:37:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because we can make a map of it doesn't mean it has any true detail. Until we can gets eyes on it we don't actually know.
herb_tea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's a bit silly. You can only see like 20 feet with a bright light down there.
Tidalsky114 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because were trying to use light to see instead of trying to develop some sort of underwater night vision.
herb_tea ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like sonar? The resolution is limited. It's not going to get much better than it is. And it's not due to lack of trying. The military has thrown more money than you can imagine into increasing the resolution of under water imaging technology. We have hit the limits of the physics. There is no such thing as underwater night vision.
Tidalsky114 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No not like sonar. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that how we could map the oceans currently? And there's no such thing yet. Anythongs possible right? Just because we haven't figured out how to do it yet doesn't mean its impossible. Who knows where tech will be at 30 years from now.
LadyGeoscientist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sonar works better if you're closer. They've mapped about 10-15% in greater detail, last time I read. This was with using deep underwater submarine drones with sonar.
Wrathchilde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The definition usually uses the 100m2 resolution standard. Still very course, but about the state of the art for surface ship based multi-beam sonar in deep water.
jsideris ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:57:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would anyone down-vote this question this low? Pretty legit question if you're not familiar with the status quo.
herb_tea ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:33:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea. I can't explain why some of the stuff I post gets upvoted either. I once got gold and 5k upvotes for what I thought was a very mediocre joke. I think people just don't understand you can't really explore the ocean floor in the conventional sense.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many of the existing references make large assumptions about the ocean floor from data that is from a few, distant transects. The scale of the ocean is just so large and hard to get to physically, that detailed maps of the ocean floor are expensive and time consuming to make. Good question though!
thnksfrthememeories ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No fucking thank you that's scary
Slagathor1650 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorta by extension of that - I really want to know what happened to Malaysia Airlines flight 370. It's been what, 3 years?
huxrules ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Searched two years for it with all sorts of tech, AUVs and towed sensors. Will lead to the largest dump of bathymetry data ever. In the end they stopped the search because they never found it. They just released a smaller 2Tb dataset last month.
eceuiuc ยท 19195 points ยท Posted at 12:59:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the amount of time, effort, and
moneyspent on researching fusion power, I'd like to eventually see a sustainable (and commercially viable) fusion reactor.Polar---Bear ยท 5234 points ยท Posted at 14:17:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There has been a lot of time but not money. Fusion has been vastly under funded for years, and budget outlook for coming years don't look promising (at least here in the US).
chykin ยท 2192 points ยท Posted at 14:30:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The JET project in the UK is currently doing nuclear fusion for small amounts of time, but it's extremely unstable. If they keep funding it hopefully it will be a reality
PerennialPhilosopher ยท 2876 points ยท Posted at 15:11:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they should construct additional pylons?
[deleted] ยท 712 points ยท Posted at 15:33:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have not enough minerals.
BreddaCroaky ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 15:43:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Insufficient vespene gas
TheBeerJoo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:23:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For Aiur!
Bard_B0t ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:46:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh, I see you forgot the depots again"
kayakkiniry ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh shit I don't have enough overlords! I'd better make fucking 50 of them at once!"
Ygro_Noitcere ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:25:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Might as well GG now!"
darkvibes ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:02:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"But the round ain't over yet."
Batbuckleyourpants ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:10:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should just hide the reactor on the isle of man. They will give up and quit before they find it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
INSUFFICIENT FUNDS
miserybusiness21 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:51:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More work?
Mincecroft ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:54:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Off I go then
Toisty ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 17:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explorer reporting!
Kolegra ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 17:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Work work
pleasehelpssll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been reading common sense by Thomas Paine
GabrielForth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bloody Brexit!
JimblesSpaghetti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:36 on August 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wuh! Ya scared me!
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 02:07:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"We make expand and then defense it."
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 05:44:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speshul taktiks!
Voltz_sc2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:07:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apologize for playing that race.
Frosty3258 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 06:00:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vespane geyser exhausted.
B0Boman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glittering prizes
TheSilversky64 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More gold is required!
caffeineme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ Marie they're...oh.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better believe it. Like making an adolescent serum that will see a conclusion to death in people
chykin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I initially read that as Pythons. We don't really need more Pythons
PerennialPhilosopher ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:54:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could use a little more Monty Python though...
something_python ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:13:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now, now. Stop that.... It's silly.
PerennialPhilosopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice username!
davidking03181976 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a good old fashioned argument clinic at the very least.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:09:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PerennialPhilosopher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Originally read that as "there's a coconut fucker in ever thread" we really don't need more coconut fuckers.
Gedrean ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Import cold from fusion
surfnsound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then who will ride your planes?
hiotewdew ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:23:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fusionreactor.py
/r/ProgrammerHumor
ameya2693 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could all do with the construction of additional pylons.
AlbertaBoundless ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:43:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, vespene gas.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:17:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DEFINITELY. WE MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS.
ParentPostLacksWang ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
POWER OVERWHELMING
JonnyBrah ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:38:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MY WIFE FOR HIRE!
pickledtunasc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:13:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PICKLED TUNA!
Soviet_Fax_Machine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh... Is that it?
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starcraft/images/b/b6/TerranVultureYes03SC1.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20170514123528
Chazmer87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I LIKE PORK PIES!
cfdavison ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
POWER OVERWHELMING, RTSR, BLACK KNIGHT HALBERD, ONE SHOT EVERYONE
FreedomFries55 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:43:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck off, Aldaris!!!
xhorrorcorex1984x ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:27:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Need a light?
a2music ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must mine more minerals
chasteeny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually fusion scales up very well. They literally have ti build uo for effeciency. So more pylons please
Some_Weeaboo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What game is this a reference to?
pchoi95 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:59:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some weeaboo you are.
Some_Weeaboo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
k
TheGurw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK then Yoda.
Gadetron ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:48:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
StarCraft, I believe
PerennialPhilosopher ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
South Korean favorite!
Voltz_sc2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:08:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only StarCraft 1, South Korea doesn't like StarCraft 2.
King__of__Chaos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We must construct additional pylons
Frizzlicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh shitttttttt!
Yeti822 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sir, Win one internet.
jaeger123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/outofloop
Into_The_Rain ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:19:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Starcraft
exoscoriae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Obviously the solution is to reticulate the splines
Pachi2Sexy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop derailing!
handpant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn Spiderman
emaciated_pecan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL someone keeps destroying their pylons
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, add more boosters.
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cylons?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, we just need to learn the dance.
proweruser ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:59:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people are doing fusion that has no net energy output.
I personally like the Wendelstein stellarator, but YMMV.
Fermorian ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:14:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My money is on ITER, which uses a Tokamak
https://www.iter.org/
proweruser ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:19:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITER might produce net energy. I still think the stellarator is a way better design. Kinda sad that people thought it was unbuildable and this didn't invest in it for such a long time.
Robo-Connery ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stellerators have design issues same as Tokamaks.
When you have a mainstream idea and you want to present an alternative you look at the ways the mainstream idea is weak or insufficient and offer an alternative that shores up those weaknesses. The strength of the Stellarator is that the lack of the plasma current to produce the poloidal field reduces some instabilities seen in tokamaks. Despite me summarising this in one sentence it is a significant advantage. Instabilities are a huge problem and many of the MHD stabilities are directly tied to the presence of the plasma current.
However, stellarators have enhanced transport loss (which is extremely bad for fusion) due to the stronger variation in magnetic field seen by a particle on a closed flux surface.
They have reduced magnetic fields and as such, reduced interior pressure. This is because the magnets themselves must maintain their twisted shape under their own field putting limits structurally on the maximum magnetic field they can support. Gives the W7X a field of 3T versus ITER of 11.8T (and pressure is squared so factor of 16 worse). This is a huge reduction in fusion rate and thus alpha power.
Stellerators give up significant avenues for plasma heating with the removal of the Ohmic portion of the heating. This forces larger NBI devices which comes with it's own problems. Although admittedly this is a problem that future tokamaks will have to solve to due to the necessarily pulsed nature of the ohmic current drive.
Basically it is a bit of a mixed bag, I'd like to see them continue to develop in tandem. We know so comparatively little about stellarator operation that we still don't really know what problems they will have. They may very well be the best possible MCF design 100 years from now but for now, they are an extremely juvenile technology that people pushing for fusion can't wait to catch up.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:10:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was the most fun I've had not understanding a comment in a long time. Thanks! :D
proweruser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Main disadvantage is that you'll have to regularly pulse a tokamak, so essentially turn it off and on again, while you can keep a stellarator running. To compensate for tokamak pulsing we'll need massive energy storage.
Robo-Connery ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:16:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't true, the fact that Ohmic heating is pulsed is not the sole reason why tokamaks are pulsed. By far the main advantage of stellarators is the reduction in MHD instabilities due to the removal of the plasma current. If we can fix the growth of these instabilities in other ways then they are no more inherently pulsed than stellarators. In fact, the increased neoclassical transport in stellarators may make steady state operation difficult.
ITER will be able to provide Ohmic heating for ~400s, this is a huge pulse length, by ramping up and down magnetic fields in individual modules in a specific pattern which allows it to maintain a huge 15MA plasma current. The limitation on pulse length is more down to the confinement time, the growth of instabilities and growing amount of impurities in the plasma than running out of heating. In all the hope is 1000s pulses will be achievable.
Indeed, it is the hope that we can one day reach Q=infinite, i.e. a scenario where once a critical temperature is reached the machine can sustain the reactions under only the alpha power, with no external heating.
The bottom line is that the removal of the plasma current comes with the disadvantage of the loss of Ohmic heating. Since Tokamaks and Stellarators both have access to NBI and cyclotron heating (indeed NBI is by far the bulk of the heating in future tokamaks) except stellarators do not have access to Ohmic heating, the total amount of power you can apply to a stellarator plasma is lower. This can make ignition harder to achieve; it is often a case of dumping as much energy as possible into the centre of your plasma to reach fusion temperatures which then provides alpha heating before radiative losses dominate. Removing an entire avenue of heating makes this harder.
Gornarok ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its kind of a problem when you need a decade or more to build reactor, while computation power rises exponentially. By the time you finish one reactor your simulation are telling you there likely is better structure...
Fermorian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think the thing that had held fusion back the most had been the advent (or lack thereof) of quality superconductors for use as electromagnets
the_ebastler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bet is on lobbyism from fossile fuel companies...
Blazara ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have similar versions here in the UK; visited a research centre a few years ago, they seemed hopeful.
Gornarok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that similar versions are small versions and from what I know smaller reactions might be much harder to keep going than big one. So they are not really comparable...
On the other hand chinese are going strongly as far as I know
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do have a net output, just not net positive!
DigitalMindShadow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying I'm producing about the same net energy as a fusion reactor while I'm sitting here taking a dump?
some_sort_of_monkey ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:08:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are setting up for their main tritium runs this/next year but then most research will move to ITER. Things might slow down a little with Brexit though :(
chykin ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:47:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately hardly anyone even knows JET exists, which is why they think EU money is "wasted"
g0_west ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk why remain didn't just list all the projects the EU are working on to show where the money is going. There's a popular park near me with a small placard saying "this park built with EU funds". Make that shit a huge banner lol not a tiny plaque nobody will see.
AcademicalSceptic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:37:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the easy response to that is "with our ยฃ350m per week". And it's technically true; EU money coming into the UK adds up to less than UK money going into the EU. That's the nature of being a net contributor.
G_Morgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
However for use to replace what our ยฃN/week pays for will cost us more than ยฃN/week. It is the nature of economies of scale.
arbitraryknowledge ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JET currently holds the world record for the longest sustained fusion pulse (~6s) and best efficiency (~67%). Another campaign is planned from 2018-2020 which will run using Deuterium and Tritium in the hopes of beating those records. The only part of JET which is unstable at the moment is future funding (post 2020) due to Brexit and the significant cost to countries associated with building the next generation fusion reactor ITER, which lays the path towards viable nuclear fusion power plants (DEMO.)
EonesDespero ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:25:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JET has been founded by year for 10 years. That is why there are a lot of things that hasn't been repaired properly.
Besides the end of the machine being near, Brexit is a killing blow. JET was financed by the EU (Join European Torus). The UK pays for MAST Upgrade, which is an spherical tokamak, but smaller.
tototomate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:52:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a big plant being built in the south of France for fusion and its very promising but will take ten years to build. Biggest fusion project ever https://www.iter.org/
thereddaikon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doing fusion is easy. We've been doing it for decades. The hard part is getting net energy out of it. Right now they take more energy to power than they create.
sotek2345 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well net energy is easy too (see the H bomb). Controlled net energy is hard.
I_FIST_CAMELS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:10:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought the problem wasn't sustaining the reaction, but rather getting a gain in energy?
shieldvexor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:56:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are related. The longer it is self sustaining, the more energy you can harvest from it before having to put energy in again (I'm oversimplifying somewhat as some designs are not pulsed, but the premise of needing less input energy is the same).
I_FIST_CAMELS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the explanation!
chykin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I think because they can't run it for long enough at the moment.
KingNewbie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My understanding is they've generated reasonably sustained plasma and reacted neutrons, but they are not power positive.
shieldvexor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's correct.
PyroSatan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The French are currently building an International Fusion Reactor for a bunch of countries to contribute to in an effort to uncover a way to make Fusion Power viable. (I.E. generating more energy than it takes to start the reaction)
Hansj3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You Know, if all the money that was being used for individual fusion programs was combined into a single program, even if it was just the us and England, the progress would be amazing
Stawberryletter23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it was china that has managed to kind of weave the plasma and provide more sustained runtimes very recently.
Ryker_Cezeaux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except for the fact it's future is now just as unstable as the reactor thanks to brexit
abutthole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Dr Otto Octavius has been accomplishing a similar feat in New York City.
JohnnyFoxborough ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have they tried using dilithium crystals?
willmills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I went to JET and they were talking about a project in the south of France called ITER which should produce 2x the energy that it uses, due to its bigger size. They aim to build this by 2020 and is run by 8 of the world leaders (US, UK, France, China, Russia, South Korea, Japan, Germany?). So, by 2050, they say that most of the 1st world countries should have fully sustainable fusion energy
T3C_Illuzion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is also the fact that all known methods cost more power to operate than they produce.
chykin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the moment, because they can't run it for long enough. Once it can run longer than the energy input it will become cost effective
T3C_Illuzion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hence the "known methods", We just haven't figured it out yet.
BAXterBEDford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have they yet to get more energy out of it than they put into it? Also, given that the pressures they can use don't come anywhere close to what is in the sun, they have to use ridiculous temperatures. One of the big problems with this, from my limited understanding, is that this breaks down the components of the device fairly quickly, making a sustained reaction just not doable with current technology.
olioli86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The French ITER project is the future for fusion, be running in the next decade I think.
Butterbeer_is_gud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moar Struts!!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of reactors can achieve fusion. The issue as you say is steady state operations, and getting more energy out than is put in.
zyxzevn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With Focus fusion, the instability does not have a negative effect.
I think that it might be a better option.
2d_active ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITER is another one showing some promise.
ThePyroPython ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our best hope is the EU with the German's wendelstien reactor currently running experiments and holding the record for longest sustained plasma and the new reactor currently being built in France.
koreanwizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds easy.
pleasehelpssll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:08:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you tell me more about the project? As a Brit I want to know about this .
chykin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.euro-fusion.org/jet/
Probably better than me
G_Morgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making fusion isn't hard. You can make fusion by clapping your hands.
ITER will work, they just need to fund the bloody thing rather than looking for excuses to spend less on other "more promising" projects. Stellarators are probably a better design but most of the concerns are in material science rather than 100% most efficient field structure. Those can be tested in the test bed we already have which is ITER before being adopted into better designs (should they prove better).
foil-time ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want Dr. Octopus? Because this is how you get Dr. Octopus.
xanatos451 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it means sustainable fusion and a friendly neighborhood Spiderman, I'm all for it.
DeadEyeDev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You ever wonder if an alien species made a fusion reactor and it blew up forming a second sun? And that's why there are solar systems with two suns.
shieldvexor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No because that's not how it works. Assuming they were dumb as fuck, they could create a hydrogen bomb by accident. That's the worst case scenario and is completely impossible with all designs tested as they lack a fission bomb to sufficiently compress the material
Dernroberto ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need harmonic wave emitters and 4 robotic arms
snarksneeze ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:34:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They will figure it out. I'm pretty sure some unpaid intern will wake up in the middle of the night and realize that all they needed to do was reverse the polarity.
kenlane ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:50:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is largely because it is seen as a novelty and a pipe dream. Fusion works great in the sun, because it is massive and has a gravitational force that can create fusion. Here on earth, creating a system where hydrogen is able to readily do that requires a lot of energy and it's not clear if you can do it on a scale that breaks even or even becomes cost effective.
Meanwhile, nuclear fission has been 'breaking even' for half a century and is also not well funded anymore. The why here is entirely politics, nobody wants a reactor near them because everyone thinks nuclear inherently is bad. It's not, and if we kept building reactors safety would have progressed with the rest of the technology.
It's a damn shame, we could have been energy independent back in '90 if we were fully willing to commit to nuclear and end subsidies to oil.
AGPro69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:07:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fission produces literal tons of radioactive waste. Fusion does not.
factbasedorGTFO ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:27:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tons sounds like a lot if you don't know the dimensions of a ton of water, cement, gold, uranium, etc. A short ton of water is less than one meter square.
kenlane ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the point, radioactive waste can be managed. The fact that in the 1950s and 70s we didn't have a plan to manage isotopes with half life equal to the age of the universe does not make fission inherently unsafe.
It also, by definition has to produce less waste then input reactant. If you recycle out the useful reactant after the concentration gets below some threshold where the reactor is not able to use it you can drastically cut down waste.
___jamil___ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
poorly, so far.
fancyfilibuster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better than venting it to the atmosphere like we do with fossil.
___jamil___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
neither are good, really.
johnpseudo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion produces a lot of radioactive waste as well. Not as much as fission, but the waste it produces is more radioactive. The neutron bombardment that emanates from the core irradiates all of the surrounding materials and damages them so that they need to be periodically replaced.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of that waste is components that have come into contact with used fuel, not the actual fuel itself. Therefore, it is possible to develop ways to drastically cut down on the waste produced by each plant, simply by a bit of reengineering the process of waste management.
Fanatical_Idiot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:10:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And unicorn farts produce rainbows, if it's not producing any usable energy its emissions are irrelevant.
AGPro69 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:19:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No shit Sherlock.
Beforebanana ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read an article today about dutch researchers creating a possible solution for a sustaining wall that could hold the high temperatures that are released during the process and making it possible in 2050 or something
mahbluebird ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link it here if you can
The_JSQuareD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the same guy, but perhaps this?
https://www.differ.nl/news/metal-vapour-to-protect-fusion-reactor-walls
Beforebanana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Got only the dutch version:
http://nos.nl/artikel/2186875-nederlandse-uitvinding-brengt-kernfusie-dichterbij.html
evaned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That year lines up with SimCity 2000, which indicates that this project will probably be successful.
Treyzania ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:28:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah because muh oil is a much more profitable and sustainable endeavor!
MaybeAliensDidIt ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:31:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oil and nuclear aren't really competing industries, very little electricity is generated from oil.
hohihohi ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replace oil with coal in his statement and it still seems pretty valid
Treyzania ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shh with your logic
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will be soon enough though, one electric cars become common.
Also I think the point was that oil for billions in subsidies while fusion got relatively little.
JCSalomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With electricity as cheap as fusion promises, we could generate all the hydrocarbons we want without digging them out of the ground.
factbasedorGTFO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, hydrogen for transportation.
JCSalomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hydrogen is a pain to deal with. If we have the energy to do this with, take atmospheric CO โ and produce something easier to transport.
factbasedorGTFO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hydrogen transport infrastructure has been a thing for a long time, since it's long been used in industry.
Maybe we'll deal with CO2 through genetic engineering tech.
factbasedorGTFO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Natural gas is the fossil fuel of choice for electricity generation. It's still absolutely a necessary part of any large network incorporating renewable energy, the only practical way to fill in the gaps.
Sealith ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:32:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first company to create fusion systems will rake in more money than most companies can even dream of. If it delivers way more power than oil and is totally clean then everyone that can utilize it will use it.
Lambda_Rail ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:57:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This brings up something I thought about a few weeks ago while reading a news story on fusion. Why isn't a big company (GE?) or a consortium of big companies funding their own research into fusion? It seems to me that, as you stated, the first company to create viable fusion will become insanely profitable and successful. Why are we relying on governments and/or grants to fund the research?
urasinner ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:03:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did Kodak drag it's heels on digital cameras?
Old apathetic people who are afraid of change.
ours ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:13:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worst, they made one of the first ones, sat on it and forgot it.
Clockwork_Octopus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:07:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because big companies are controlled by their shareholders, who want profits now, not in twenty years. That's part of the reason companies like Amazon or SpaceX have done so well, because they have the flexibility to invest in future profits.
bbeep ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because fusion will not be profitable within 5 years as of now.
BlitzballGroupie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Major publicly traded companies are often short-sighted in their goals. This is large part because a project like this, which would require a substantial financial investment, and could take decades to pan out, or never pan out all, does nothing for any of the shareholders' bottom lines, at least in a short enough timespan to satisfy the average investor.
Also there is the potential that it's just not feasible in any of our lifespans. As someone below pointed out, building a profitable fusion reactor not only requires that you build something that has a net positive output, but that that output be actually meaningful enough to sell the electricity. And then from there you need to recoup all the development cost, the material cost of building the damn thing, and then the overhead of maintaining it, and only after all that do you have a profitable venture. That's a big ask for someone trying to run a business to invest money in a project they might not live to see come to fruition.
AGPro69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same
factbasedorGTFO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lockheed is supposedly R&Ding for a fusion device.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The timeline before fusion can be commercialized is not 5 or 10 or even 20 years, but more like 50 years or more. No one knows how much money it will cost, except that it's a lot (billions and billions in R&D). The government can take the risk of funding that kind of research, that's sort of how LIGO and gravitional waves worked out, lots of $$ over a long time and fusion promises to be more money and more time. Most companies simply can't afford to pour billions of dollars over a 50 year timespan for something that may or may not work out for them (the company could easily fail in that span, or the mechanisms of fusion they pursue aren't the right ones to be looking at, etc), and for the few companies that can the risk/reward decision process for the current people in charge doesn't make sense. It makes much more sense from a company's perspective to let academia/government do the heavy lifting for the time being and start pouring money in 20/30+ years down the line when we have a better sense of what methods will be viable/feasible etc.
I do like the idea of a consortium of big companies funding their own research into fusion, but I somehow doubt you'll be able to get all those companies to work together on something like this.
___jamil___ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because government institutions have always funded the vast majority of basic research? and corporations don't like spending money when they payoff is in the very distant future, which may never come?
trashpen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something what's beneficial to the majority would be detrimental to a corporate profit
The_JSQuareD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh... that's debatable. Sustainable does not equal profitable. Early on, it will be hugely expensive to build and maintain these things. So the number of companies (realistically, governments) able to capitalize on it will be quite small. And the reactor's lifetime might be limited. I bet the first commercial fusion reactor will barely make a profit or perhaps even a sizable loss. Especially if the price of energy is driven down due to competing alternatives (cheap solar, newly found fossil fuel reserves, fossil fuel producing countries opening the flood gates to be able to compete, etc.). As with all new technologies, it will take a while for the price to come down. Once that happens, yes, it will be a huge economic boon. A game-changer, really.
trashpen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark 2 or 3 would be great, it's just that smidge of negative profit margin is a deterrent at the moment until it's a critical need
Vitztlampaehecatl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll need to be heavily regulated. The capitalist thing to do would be to sell energy just barely cheaper than anyone else and run them out of business, then raise the price as high as they can.
TheRealHooks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right now? Absolutely.
Sustainable enough that it could still be a great career for a young person's entire working life.
When it becomes more economically feasible, we'll all switch.
trashpen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This
geft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because oil will not run out before these investors die off.
xQuasarr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why care about a sustainable energy when we can have one that cause climate change now? /s
trashpen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Muh jerb! Muh prerfits! Cole! Maga! /s
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God, oil companies do not control everything. Do you really see the world in such simplistic terms?
Treyzania ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:05:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/uj
Do you have any idea why we've been in a "foreign engagement" in the middle east for years?
marknutter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Many complex geopolitical reasons, ranging from US support of Israel, fallout from conflicts over the past 200 years, the ongoing battle between Sunni and Shia Muslims, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, and yes, oil.
___jamil___ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's about "US interests", aka oil.
if we cared about non-oil producing nations, we could have spent any real amount of time "stabilizing" African nations.
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are active pretty much around the world, you do understand that right? And you do also understand that we've never taken over an oil field before and have spent more on the wars in the Middle East than we could ever recoup over that same period of time, even if we had straight run the oil fields of Iraq (which we haven't).
___jamil___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sure. ..and what's the disparity in where US resources are spent? How many other regions have had a 17 year long war with the US?
Pretty sure I wasn't trying to claim that the Iraq War was a smart idea.
At the time, the people in the administration said that it would "pay for itself". Where do you think they thought that money would come from? If you think the war in Iraq was fought for humanitarian reasons, why has the US not done that anywhere else? If that was the reason for it, why did the US support Hussein when he was gassing the Kurds?
..I'm not gonna re-litigate the reasons for the Iraq War, but if you don't think oil was a major reason for it, you are naive as all hell.
marknutter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
over how long a period are we talking here?
There was a very long cold war with the Soviets if you've forgotten that. War is fought quite a bit differently than it was 50 years ago, too.
no they didn't.
Tax payers
It was fought because we were attacked on 9/11 and believed Iraq and Afghanistan to be the places where Al Qaeda was operating out of. We were right about one, wrong about the other.
Because we've historically supported secular dictators in order to stabilize the region and keep free trade humming along nicely, as well as protecting Israel from the blowback if the region were to fall into chaos. Also, we were heavily invested in fighting communism. It's nuanced and complicated; have you done any reading about it?
Oil was not a major reason for it. It's the standard BS leftist conspiracy theory that would only make sense if we were actually imperialistic and seized the land and assets of the countries we invade. Instead, we helped them establish a democratic government and spent trillions on trying to help them stabilize their country.
___jamil___ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:40:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "cold war" was not an actual war. You can tell this because no one actually went to war for it.
lol no it wasn't. Iraq was attacked for their possible weapons of mass destruction. Bush claimed that in a post-911 environment we shouldn't allow "rogue" states to have weapons of mass destruction. Did you not pay attention at all during the run up??
That's not what many administration officials said on the record. They claimed that Iraq would pay for the war itself once we took down Hussein. But don't just believe me:
https://www.thenation.com/article/who-said-war-would-pay-itself-they-did/
http://watchingthewatchers.org/news/624/iraq-war-cost-little-and-iraq-oil
Yes, plenty. The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with humanitarian reasons. I'm glad we agree.
What a stupid response, ignoring all context and history.
It would only make sense if we seized the assets? Well, we don't have a nationalized oil company, so we wouldn't do that would we? But what did we do? We took all their oil from their nationalized oil company and gave it to private companies to sell.
We didn't seize the land? Really? Who was that then with the tanks pulling down monuments in the middle of Baghdad? Who was that who dictated the new structure of the Iraqi government? Who was that who patrolled the streets? Oh, we didn't put our name on it and make them raise our flag? I guess installing their government and writing the laws of their land in order to favor our interests isn't technically making it "our land". Right, ya got me there!
you criticize me for stating "standard BS leftist conspiracy theory", but you don't even remember the reason we went to war in the first place. your typical rightist ignorance is laughable
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please point to the land and oil fields in Iraq that are owned by the US government and US companies.
___jamil___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are so dense it's incredible.
the US did not take the land. the US does not want the land. the US opened up the mineral rights from the state owned company to the western private companies. There are a LOT of business articles about where Exxon and Shell are now drilling in Iraq, which they weren't allowed to do so previously. This ain't rocket science.
but hey, if you don't believe me, Gen. John Abizaid (Ret.), the former CENTCOM Commander has my back:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/15/abizaid-of-course-its-abo_n_68568.html
selectrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damn dude. You straight - up lied about the administration claiming thatthe war would pay for itself. Why? Do you just not care about facts?
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, no, I did not lie. The bush administration never said that "the war would pay for itself", that's a false paraphrasing of a collection of quotes about people within and connected to the administration who said that Iraq would be able to fund its own reconstruction using their own money and resources. At no point did anyone suggest or get close to suggest that the US would use Iraqi resources to retroactively pay for the military costs of going to war with them. Do you just lap up everything you hear without actually digging into it?
selectrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? If you were paid to lie like that it'd almost make sense, except nobody that I know of is paying people to lie in favor of the HWBush administration.
Why do you feel the need to lie so much? Your whole overarching point- that the Iraq war wasn't about oil- is a blatant lie, and I noticed you shut right up when presented with the Abizaid quote.
How do you live with yourself, lying like that so often?
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, because I'm not lying. It's pretty bold of you to claim that I am. What is it with leftists and accusing people who disagree with them of "lying". It's like your worldview is so absolute and dogmatic that the only way you can handle anyone disagreeing with your interpretation of the facts is by pretending that they are a paid shill.
The war in Iraq was not about oil. Full stop. Finding a single quote from someone who reached the same facile conclusion as everyone else on the left is not proof that it was. If it were about oil, we would have seized all the oil fields and have been pumping nonstop to fill our national coffers. That didn't happen, nor will it ever happen. We are not imperialistic.
You do realize we produce more oil than any other country in the world besides Saudi Arabia, right? You do realize that we spent more on the war in Iraq than could have been produced if we ran their oil fields every day since the war began, right? The whole premise of oil being the reason we wanted to go to war is so stupid I'm shocked that people still perpetuate it. Nobody bothers researching this stuff on their own.
selectrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you are. It's not a bold claim. You're looking at evidence and saying "la la la it's not true you're wrong". While providing absolutely no evidence to support your own point.
That's just Occam's Razor. Like I said, that would make more sense than the idea that someone would look at facts and then turn around and say they're not true. I have multiple quotes from administration officials supporting my point, whereas you have yet to cite any evidence for yours. Not sure what else there is to say.
Yes, a general who was active at the time "reached the same facile conclusion as everyone else on the left". That's significant.
Are you a military general/geoplitical strategist? If not, I'll dismiss this as the assessment of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.
Why do you say that as though it is a strong point in your favor? "America produces lots of oil therefore it doesn't care about other oil producing countries at all, ever" is a fairly stupid assumption to make; I'm a bit insulted that you'd even attempt to make that point.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's reddit. Everything 2D.
starsyph ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Times writer Levi Grossman (I think) said something along the lines of "[the only byproduct is helium (and liquid nitrogen I think)] which we can use to fill up the balloons for the party we have if this thing ever works"
Fusion's always been one of those projects where we say "we'll have it done in the next five years!" every five years
But in the US we do have Iter and I think that one's still self-sustainable for the next 20 years, but yeah, we've got to get a better way to breed tritium since the whole lithium blanket thing isn't enough at the moment, we've got to keep developing that technology. Apparently there's less than 20kg of tritium left iirc, one of the chemicals that we need for fusion energy.
HenryRasia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, this graph makes me so sad.
knowedge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[...] vastly underfunded for
yearsdecades [...]FTFY
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bit pedantic, but not untrue.
hugokhf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it possible that it's because they determined other sources of energy are more viable with less cost, so they stop funding fusion?
grizzlyhardon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a perfectly valid reason for this if you understand the scientific history of fusion. There have been multiple false "breakthroughs" in the technology and science of fusion that have turned out to be fabrications or misconceptions.
desk_fan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean besides JET and NIF and ITER which have eaten up meagre billions? Fuckin clueless people making speculative statements on stuff they haven't the faintest knowledge about. Go back to buzzfeed, you.
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting billions per year is underfunded when the reactor itself would require tens of billions.
WWIflyingace62 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping that, if/when stable, net-positive fusion is accomplished somewhere, it'll start an energy "arms race" and hopefully, we'll dump funding into it.
This obviously comes with the risk of some fuckers (ahem, U.S.) turning it into a weapon.
settingmeup ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that the weapon already existed -- the fusion bomb. Do you mean something else, like a power plant for advanced weaponry, e.g. a railgun?
EDIT: Oops, I was thinking of a "thermonuclear" device, which uses fission to start the fusion reaction. A pure fusion bomb doesn't exist yet.
Techhead0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone made an (untested) plan for a pure-fusion bomb using explosive-pumped flux compression generators to create and release a magnetic fusion containment field. A few problems:
EDIT: Source, for the curious: http://scienceandglobalsecurity.org/archive/sgs07jones.pdf
settingmeup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting to hear of this. The last point makes it seem more like a conceptual exercise than an attempt at a practical design. I guess that the overall equipment would be pretty bulky. It's still useful, as it gives one an idea of what's feasible currently.
Techhead0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a tantalizing view of what's feasible currently...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusor
Only real catch is pouring in more energy than you can possibly extract.
settingmeup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This caught my eye:
Thanks for the link. I'll read it. Sounds interesting, and for sure it's still early days for this.
Polar---Bear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have been making fusors for years, and it is well known they will never make net energy.
We can DO fusion. Its quite straightforward. It's easy enough that grad students are tasked with making a DT generator for experiments with the 14 MeV neutrons or a high school student can make a fusor in their garage.
The issue is getting more energy out than you put in.
If you want to look at the actual frontier of fusion energy, Look up stellarators (W7X), tokamaks (ITER), spherical tokamaks (NSTX-U); field reversed configurations (Tri Alpha Energy), etc.
settingmeup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty fascinating to read all this. I hadn't heard of fusors until now, and I'm genuinely amazed that grad students can do what you've described. This part reminds me of the early days of aviation, with people making aircraft in their garages.
Ironically, I have already read about stellarators and tokamaks in mainstream articles that were concerned with future sources of energy (maybe that's why fusors weren't mentioned). That saga makes for good reading for sure.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia (or whoever else is involved in the race) has just as much chance weaponizing it as we do. Odds are one of us will do it, and then the other will immediately follow. But escalation is the nature of international competition.
AnonymousWritings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To put the numbers in perspective /u/eceuiuc.
The world research budget for fusion is about 1.5 billion USD.
Apple's advertising budget was 1.8 billion USD in 2015.
JanBibijan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a shame the ITER project started before the discovery of REBCO magnetic tapes. According to MIT, they are strong enough to increase fusion power by a factor of 10. That's a HUGE leap forward.
LiquidDreamtime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replacing energy providers means that a lot of wealthy people have much to lose. Stuff like this will always be under funded.
APoliteFuccboi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People don't understand the 2-letter difference between fusion and the safest and best form of electricity production.
Sonaphile___- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What sucks is that people will use fusion's lack of results as a reason to decrease funding even further, even though its lack of results in the first place is due to never being funded sufficiently.
wtfpwnkthx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently you haven't heard about Skunkworks' Compact Fusion Reactor project. A working prototype is expected in 2022.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html
https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-the-Fusion-Reactor-by-Lockheed-Martin
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh.
Not going to believe a promise like that if they don't even bother to justify it.
brouwjon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WE'VE GOT THE MOST TREMENDOUS COAL MINES IN THE WORLD BELIEVE ME
MaxHannibal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which...for the life of me i cant understand why its not the most funded thing ever.
NayMarine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we are too busy paying 5 tn to the oil subsidies to worry about renewable fuels
ANerdyGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the US doesn't really care about science unless it's helping show its power or helping military advancement. That's why I'm working in Europe when I hopefully become a scientist.
HeKis4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't the US pull out of ITER a couple years ago ? Thanks Obama...
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congress was the one deciding about that, not the president. They stayed in though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man it seems to had a huge PR nightmare back in the 80s or something. I wish that we could fully fund it one day and come to some sort foundation.
amolad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion is dangerous for all humanity.
There are ways of producing nuclear fission that you can do with water....but there's no money in it.
I_Fucked_With_WuTang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully Elon Musk's next mad scientist experiment is fusion power.
Le_Alchemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could it be underfunded because fusion power is not profitable for energy companies? I think I know the answer the that question...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anything that threatens the fossil fuel industry is not going to get proper funding in the US.
Tomfoster1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lack of US funding of fusion is sad, this graph was produced in 1976 to show when they predicted we would develop fusion with various levels of funding.
Initially we were on course to get fusion around 2005 but funding levels collapsed past the 80s
JakobieJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there's a military application, I'm sure it could get funding! (Cold fusion that is, not hydrogen bombs)
PromptCritical725 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funding is a risky thing, either government or privately. Both want a return. Investors want an eventual cash return, politicians want votes. If it doesn't look like there's an eventual payout, not a lot of people are willing to put in the cash when it's they're money or career on the line.
So, what will happen is that research will plod ahead slowly, then hopefully breakthroughs will increase viability confidence, and money will start coming in faster.
rubber_bastard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well there are certain privately funded companies that have been researching it for the past maybe 5-10 years. Some of the strides they have made towards the end goal have resulted in other technologies, like bnct (iirc) which is like a cancer treatment.
Peregrin_Tuuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._historical_fusion_budget_vs._1976_ERDA_plan.png If we would have funded it according to plans in 1976, we likely would already have it.
Dash_O_Cunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On purpose. Big oil don't want competition
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does funding need to come from Government?
xBeamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since 1953, when the fusion program started, the TOTAL spent on fusion energy in the US, both Magnetic and Inertial is $24.1 Billion dollars (adjusted to 29.1BN) - Source: FPA. That's an average of $393 Million a year - adjusted to $510 million per year in the US
http://www.fusionenergyleague.org/index.php/blog/article/have_we_spent_too_much
I don't know about you but i think that's a lot of money
Polar---Bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To you and I, yes that is a LOT of money. But to the US government, it is nothing. That $500 million per year is only 0.014% of the federal budget.
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is a lot, but not comparing to the energy sector.
As your own article notes, wind turbines got 12 billion in subsidies over 6 years, corn got 17 billion, and fossils 70 billion.
For fusion to get just 25 over more than 50 years, is disappointing.
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stuff like ITER is pretty promising though... and the venture capital idiots in the Silicon Valley seem to be getting into it. Regulating complex plasmas looks like a prime application for machine learning.
Noctudeit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really a shame that fusion has been brushed aside. Of all the alternative energy sources, fusion is the only one that could scale to meet 100% of the earth's energy needs, and could be cheap enough to replace fossil fuels without any government subsidy.
resinis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The money has been against it, because energy that is too cheap to produce is not very profitable.
RichieGusto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:48 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free energy supression?
jammerjoint ยท 1242 points ยท Posted at 14:36:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, we've spent almost no money on fusion. It's been struggling for funding for decades now. There are a few projects in the works, but if we're going to make it we need to actually put it on the list of priorities:
[deleted] ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 15:35:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least countries are now banding together like with ITER to take everyone's meek budgets and make them somewhat substantial.
SomeBigAngryDude ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:44:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, joint venture projects between countrys seem to fail and waste money on so many levels due to artificial and forced distribution of planing, construction of parts and working on site in contrast to finance, plan and build in a single country.
Or at least that worked at one point. Nowadays it seems that the goverment just don't give a fuck in any way unless some lobbyist drops some money and hookers for the fuckers in the right positions. And since fusion research doesn't have a lobby... oh (poly-)well.
Oceloctopus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:29:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the infamous space shuttle syndrome.
htbdt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The space shuttle was soooooooo cheap.
10ebbor10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you see the same thing with ITER. It has had delays and budget overruns
However, it seems to work quite well with the European Space Agency, so who knows.
SomeBigAngryDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:13 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know, the Ariane 5 rocket from ESA is very reliable but also very ineffective. So, they did kind of a good job, but it still isn't perfect.
10ebbor10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:06:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The arianespace has had more than 50% marketshare for the last few decades. Seems effective enough.
SomeBigAngryDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:36 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I said, it gets work done, but from what I read, it could be cheaper or more powerful if the design had been different. Still not bad, though.
brickmack ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:48:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, most of the time these sorts of international projects become so bloated and corrupt (bloated because you need so much extra bureaucracy to manage multiple groups, especially across national borders, corrupt because each country's government wants their chunk of the funding to go to their companies and their people, and it becomes more about the pork than the research), that the extra budget is all wasted and they'd be better off with a single country doing it. See: the International Space Station program and ESA.
chennyalan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, the ISS did end up getting built, and the ESA did launch some things, it could be worse, right?
brickmack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:26:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not much worse, especially for ISS. It ended up being a 150 billion dollar program, in large part because of the insane bureaucracy, and that was after many of the originally planned components and supplemental programs were canceled (CAM, almost all of the Russian segment, the Hab module, the Man-Tended Free Flier and Polar Platforms, Docking Hub/Node 4). Using the most expensive launch vehicle in history to build it didn't exactly help either (~50 billion of that was Shuttle-related costs), but even accounting for that (and the increased hardware costs from needing to assemble it all on-orbit) its still an order of magnitude more expensive than would be expected of an optimally-managed program operating in similar constraints and with similar goals. Skylab and Mir both make nice baselines for comparison, since both are of comparable habitable volume to ISS. The former cost only a bit over 10 billion, inflation adjusted (but it benefited from being launched as a single module), the latter was about 6 billion
As for ESA, they've gone and effectively made Arianespace a monopoly on European launch services, and forced them to have their operations spread out all over Europe (fairings from Switzerland, engines from France, structures and tanks from Germany and Spain, boosters from Italy, etc etc. Hell, even that is simplifying it, the Vinci engine alone has subcontractors in over a dozen countries), and as a result they're so expensive they require an enormous (questionably legal) subsidy to be remotely competitive, and their bureaucracy is so damn slow that Ariane 6 will have taken nearly a decade to go from initial conception to flight readiness, and its barely even a change to Ariane 5
rshorning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I shudder to think of what a joint international mission to Mars would look like for cost. IMHO it is that extreme cost which keeps it from happening too, in spite of globalist groups insisting that is the only way settlement of Mars could ever happen, or even a McMurdo style scientific outpost.
brickmack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should clarify that my comment shouldn't be interpreted as anti-globalist. I'm very supportive of a unified global government. The problem seems to arise from the project being managed as several completely different groups operating only loosely together, and each responsible to their politicians. And even within a single country, but with distinct states/provinces/whatever, these issues still crop up (see: the absolute shitshow NASA has been in for the last 30 or so years). If they could just provide money and resources to an independent international group without strings attached, or better yet have a single world government where the individual ex-countries have virtually zero power, these management issues should largely go away. Its one of those things where you really can't go partway
The one exception to this I'd say is when the countries involved are providing entirely different services. In the case of the ISS, one of the big issues was that each country wanted to provide their own modules, but they all fit into a small number of requirements, there was no need to have 4 countries building effectively the same thing to their own design. Optimally there probably should've just been about 2 types of pressurized modules (Nodes and Cylinders, you might call them, and even they would share significant design work, like the end cones and electrical/thermal systems and such), with different internal outfitting, and that would've cut the development and manufacturing costs massively. But if you could run the program such that each country provided a unique part with no functionality overlap (America provides the orbital launch and in-space transport, Europe provides surface habitats, Russia provides surface nuclear power, etc), then that could work pretty well, and benefits from each country having certain capabilities they excel at. I think the Shuttle-Spacelab (America provides the launch vehicle and on-orbit support, Europe provides the lab module and exposed pallets and other hardware) and Shuttle-Mir (America provides transport and finances, Russia provides the space station) programs both worked well in this regard, and were overall very successful and cost effective programs for all involved (though in both cases, ultimately failed due to external factors)
As for settlement of Mars, rather than a research station, that will never be done by any government, regardless of how its organized. Theres just no benefit for them to send colonists en masse to live off planet. This is something that, for now, will be limited to the private sector, which now finally seems to recognize the immense economic value of human spaceflight and is trending towards a cost point where its feasible for the average person
rshorning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That simply isn't going to be the case as politics always gets in the way... even more so when you are dealing with multiple countries.
I'll admit I'm anti-globalist as I think it is going to be the death and extinction of humanity if that ever happens. No single group of individuals has all of the clues for what makes this universe work nor any idea on how to govern humanity... not to mention that people simply don't always like others telling them what they can or can't do and sometimes want out.
All of that aside, governmental approaches tend to be very inefficient specifically because the goals of those organizations aren't focused on cost but instead exist to maximize other areas of interest like political influence and satisfying constituencies. A difference between Arianespace and SpaceX is that Arianespace needs to make sure each of the member countries have as piece of the action, while SpaceX simply gets it built. The same thing happens with NASA where each of the NASA centers need to get a piece of the action and preferably if possible every one of the 435 congressional districts ought to get some part of whatever new project is being developed. At least a majority of those districts need to get something... and did during Apollo.
That is why such government projects tend to become very costly, on top of some of the paperwork requirements that go to an extreme. A friend of mine who worked at Thiokol (this is a few years ago) pointed out that the paperwork generated during routine production for each of the Shuttle SRBs actually exceeded in mass and size each of those SRBs and had to be hauled to Washington DC in a series of C-130 flights leaving from Hill AFB. Not only was all of that paperwork generated, but it had to be reviewed and processed by an army of bureaucrats in DC who actually read through all of that stuff and then it was put into warehouses in case some accident happened.... like did end up happening where all of that paperwork was reviewed yet again on multiple SRBs.
There are good reasons for that level of government oversight on the level of knowing precisely what tools were being used to make literally every bolt, nut, rivet, or piece in anything purchased by the government, but that level of review also has its cost. That only gets compounded when dealing with international efforts where all of that paperwork needs to be shared and reviewed by every country that is involved.
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree for the ISS. Most of the cost comes from the US choosing shuttle operations, with the space shuttle being responsible for 50 billion just on it's own.
spectrumero ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:45:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw somewhere a while back (it was an Ask Slashdot) that basically said the funding level was basically "fusion never" - this is why it's always "30 years off in the future" because the funding isn't sufficient to make much progress.
They also said it was about $80bn away. People replied "It's a lot of money to spend on something we're not certain will pan out". On the other hand, conservative estimates put the cost of the Second Gulf War at $800bn, and that failed to pan out and instead gave us Daesh.
PointyOintment ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:17:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/AskReddit/comments/6s4skx/slug/dlaf624
G_Morgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're certain it will pan out. Fusion is a physical fact of reality. One we can look up at the sky and see literally every day. People talking about it like it is effectively channelling the one power or something is the problem.
spectrumero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem with the sun is that it is 150,000,000km away and we want a fusion reactor here on the ground on Earth without requiring the sun's immense gravity to crush the material sufficiently so it begins to fuse, and we want it to sustain longer and be less explody than a thermonuclear weapon. This is a rather more tricky task unless we're willing to properly fund it.
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In theory yes, but in practice it's just fusion pretty far away, because technology still advanced.
New materials and better computers and stuff like that gradually bring down the cost untill the program can make progress.
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:39:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this chart explains it. hopefully china develops a sudden interest in fusion.
2059FF ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:51:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should fund them just for the cool names.
HorstOdensack ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:23:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait until you find out what they actually do.
Essentially they contain a 100 Million Kelvin hot plasma in a vakuum using a super strong magnetic field generated by superconducting coils.
Doesn't get any cooler than that.
Edit: Even hotter, up to 150 Million
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:32:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't explain much, so I will fill in details.
Plasma sounds complicated, but think of it like a candle flame. It's very hot, glows, and has very little mass. The goal of fusion is to compress this candle flame into a tiny little ball. When that happens, the atoms will fuse together and create a huge amount of heat and light. The problem is, how do you compress a candle flame? You could get two hammers and smash it between them, but that won't work because the hammers are too cold and the flame will go out. You have to do it without touching the flame. The sun uses gravity, but that is not an option for us. But we can use magnets!
The tokomak is a doughnut shape (toroid). It pushes the plasma around in a circle and keeps it from hitting the sides. It was a great idea. It compressed the plasma and fused hydrogen nuclei and created energy. But there was a problem. Once the fusion started, the heat created pushed the plasma apart, stopping the fusion. This is the plasma instability problem.
The stellarator is like a tokomak, but full of computer generated twists and turns. It's like a stream where the water is continuously roiling and tumbling. The stellarator keeps the plasma continuously mixing and reduces these instabilities. Wendelstein 7-X is the one to watch. It seems to be working well as a research reactor and proving the concept.
sblahful ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:57:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great ELI5, well done
thrasher204 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:32:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hotter*
willmills ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Up to 200,000 degrees Celsius apparently
HorstOdensack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*100-150 Million degrees Celsius according to Wikipedia
yhack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost as hot as I can microwave an apple pie
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot a few zeros...
willmills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Whooooopps ๐
TR_Ollington ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Propose a military application and watch US funding soar s/
PsychoI3oy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US Navy is/was looking into things like the Polywell -- They could replace fission reactors in new carrier and sub designs and even fit them into destroyers to provide power for the rail guns and laser stuff they're also testing.
TR_Ollington ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it sounds awesome to me.
PsychoI3oy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and with (theoretical, AFAIK) Proton-Boron11 fusion as the fuel source, they'd never have to refuel, Boron 11 is common enough in sea water.
Innane_ramblings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, D-D fusion would be fine for that, as deuterium is common enough in seawater too if you have a fusion reactors worth of energy to electrolyse the water
PsychoI3oy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
true, but PB11 doesn't have the neutron production that D-D does, which may be desirable depending on your setup
TR_Ollington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds awesome. This is all way above my head but still sounds so promising.
hitlerallyliteral ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The NIF, which I think is America's largest fusion effort, has the joint goals of achieving economical nuclear fusion and 'studying the behavior of matter under the conditions found within nuclear weapons'
TR_Ollington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, too bad this isn't government funded. Is it still a dream or is it still possible or that's why it is where it is, we don't know?
Chaz_Eru ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The DOE is investing some. They had some progress at this past year's showcase. https://arpa-e.energy.gov/?q=arpa-e-programs/alpha
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:59:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because the obscenely wealthy fossil fuel lobbies do not want fusion power, so they're happy to try to kill any funding of it.
jammerjoint ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:09:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't need a conspiracy to explain it.
WalkerYYJ ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:34:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are atleast 2 private entities making very solid trys at this right now. The current push is not for large scale plants but compact low cost devices (truck sized). Both Lockheed and General Fusion claim to be VERY close to making something workable.
The concept (a few years ago at least) was to develop compact transportable (non proliferateing) units that could be plugged into existing coal/gas power stations in the developing world for pennies on the dollar as a way to crash (or threaten to crash) oil/coal/gas prices and fuck the Russian economy.
Innane_ramblings ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the polywell is looking extremely promising and would be a low cost option for workable fusion, if wiffleball confinement can be proven to work as expected
AttackPug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fusion has been a bit of a joke for a long time. Maybe you can take it more seriously these days, but it's far from a certainty, not really a miracle in waiting, and the public already fears nuclear power. I kind of expect France to be the ones who move forward on fusion, not the US. "Wealthy fossil fuel lobbies" are too interested in getting an early piece of any emerging energy money to be blamed. Saying so is just the usual antivax chemtrails bullshit.
The truth is that fusion suffers from its own crackpot reputation. Fusion and cold fusion are kinda lumped together. I also really doubt that fusion will be a miracle energy cure. There will be a drawback, a new ugly problem to manage in exchange for the power, probably some form of waste or the need to mine something rare at the expense of other people. So they can work on it, but there's already plenty of irons in the world's fire. Fusion research will just have to bide its time.
cutelyaware ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any source of cheap energy that is not already part of the Earth's energy budget would be our biggest environmental disaster because we'd use more and more until we cooked ourselves. Therefore I'd try to kill it.
Schlick7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That only happens if it creates greenhouse gases to raise Earth temp. Fusion is flirting with free energy; theoretically.
cutelyaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's free energy, we'll find ever more extravagant ways to use it until the waste heat of the reactors raise the temperatures directly. Even if there were no waste heat in the production, all the energy used ends as heat too.
Schlick7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That won't happen. Ever. We would have to increase our energy use 1000fold at minimum. It would create heat everywhere which would need cooling somehow. Nobody wants a 2000watt tv. We don't want heat radiating off of all of our stuff and we don't want large volumes of cold air coming from the vents to fight it.
cutelyaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't even imagine us using 1,000 times as much energy as now? I think that's the easiest thing to imagine here.
And global warming is not about being uncomfortably warm, it's about ecosystem collapse, tropical diseases everywhere, mass migration and other awful things. You can't just counter it by turning up the AC. That just uses more energy and makes things worse.
Schlick7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point with the ac is why it's crazy for 1000x power increase. You have to deal with the heat from where ever it's being consumed. What's going to use all this power? Our cars? Nope the engines will overheat. Our phones? Nope will burn our hands. Our lights? Nope will blind us and burn like the sun. If we replace everything we currently use with 'free' electricity global warming will slow down and stop and I can't imagine a single thing that would warrant 1000x increase in electrical usage.
cutelyaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:26 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not cars? You wouldn't like a flying electric car? One with crazy acceleration that would let you commute 500 miles in less than an hour? Heck, why spend an hour when it could be supersonic? You don't have much imagination, do you?
Schlick7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:31 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the motors used huge wattage they'd melt. If they don't then it would be efficient travel and use not much more than driving by car. Yeah it's easy to imagine awesome new inventions, but you got to realize the heat has to go somewhere; can't cheat thermodynamics. Got any other examples of things that would increase overall usage 1000x, or even 2x? You haven't got any yet
cutelyaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:59 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do know that airplanes exist, right? Right now the only thing holding back electric planes is just power density, not engine cooling, and that's all about to change. Other examples of extravagant energy use include people living in very hot or cold environments and wanting ever more climate-controlled space. Anyway, lots of resources initially looked limitless, but I bet you can't name one that we didn't quickly find creative ways to max out. We really need to give up the fusion dream.
Schlick7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:17 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would an electric plane create more heat? Electric planes and flying cars are two separate things. Nothing you've mentioned creates more heat then anything we do now
cutelyaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:59:29 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point. It's not about the type of power source, it's about the energy itself. One can always convert one form of energy into another. The point is that with unlimited energy, we'd find unlimited fun things to do with it, and all of it would end as heat, and fusion would generate 100 times as much heat as that just in the generation process. And finally, the technology would be so complex that only nations could run them, creating oppressive monopolies. It's just a bad idea, but luckily for all of us, it's also looking completely out of reach for at least another 30 years.
Schlick7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:02 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've yet to mention even the possibility of any of these "fun" things. If we changed everything that's run by gas/liquid into electric and powered all that by nuclear or fusion we'd generate half the heat. As well as stopping the vast majority of the greenhouse gas creation. That lead me to saying we'd need to make like 1000x more energy to get back to the point we are now. We're talking in circles at this point though so we might as well stop. Have a good day
cutelyaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:23 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're not running in circles. You're just running off the rails. Please source your new claim that fusion power would generate half the heat of fossil fuels.
Schlick7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:52 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're ridiculous. You aren't even trying to understand what I'm saying. You find a source that claims fusion make so much. You made your claim first. I was actually talking about electricity vs. fossil fuels. A good ICE is 35% efficienct - transmission is ~%90 - differential is ~%90. That leaves you with around 28% of burnt fuel to push vehicle and 72% as waste hear. A good electric engine is 90%. That leaves only 10% waste heat. Nothing you've said outside of live in my extreme environments would increase energy usage, it's actually the opposite
cutelyaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:02 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know that fusion will ever break even, let alone become efficient by any standard. My hope is that it never does. Right now you can find the current records here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power#Records which shows that the ratio of energy produced to the energy required to produce it is 0.069. It can't be useful until that crosses 1.0, but like I said, even if the input energy was zero, we'd still cook ourselves because 100% of all energy used ends up as heat.
Note also that even fossil fuels would cook us too if they weren't limited, because that energy has been stored over millions of years and is being released all at once. The only long-term solutions that could possibly allow us to use large amounts of energy are to use sources that would have ended up as heat anyway, such as wind and solar. IE renewables.
Now it's your turn to find support for your claim that fusion will create half the heat of fossil fuel.
Schlick7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:43 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% of all energy we produce right now ends up as heat....
cutelyaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:10 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's right, which is why only renewables won't affect Earth's overall temperature. A solar panel cools the ground it covers, and the eventual use of that energy releases it. Fossil fuels, nuclear, and especially fusion don't do that. They only add net heat to the biosphere.
sporkinum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1957 https://books.google.com/books?id=byEDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=RA1-PA24&dq=fusion&pg=RA1-PA24#v=onepage&q=fusion&f=false
1960 https://books.google.com/books?id=xyUDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA104&dq=fusion&pg=PA104#v=onepage&q=fusion&f=false
1974 https://books.google.com/books?id=N93SwXbzXC4C&lpg=PA13&dq=fusion&pg=PA13#v=onepage&q=fusion&f=false
Etc etc etc
Soul-Burn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also look at Lockheed Martin Compact Fusion
danby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the good ol' polywell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell
rockskillskids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a TOKAMAK reactor that turned on in Cambridge last year and has been running at only a 15% or so energy deficit?
ShameNap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that would put oil and coal companies out of business. And the people they employ. In fact it's god damned un-American.
brando56894 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn! So ITER isn't going to be fully operational for 14 years after it's completed? That a hell of a long time for testing. That's damn near two decades away which is pretty ridiculous.
Hopefully we'll get useful data out of the X7 by then haha
Sjoerd920 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:38:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you imagine the economic incentive such cheap and clean energy would give. No more worrying or feeling guilty that a particular industry/activity requires a lot of energy.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:12:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Sjoerd920 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:15:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah they can try and postpone it but there is simply too much to gain from it to stop it.
A-HuangSteakSauce ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE
donovanBast ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:38:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!!
Herr_Doktore ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:36:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS
Ocramsrazor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:56:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes for our T60 Power Armor :D
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to be one of the people to thank for making it a reality, it's my passion I'm life. I'm almost done with my Engineering degree and then I'm moving to Europe to do my Master's in Nuclear Fusion Engineering and join ITER ( the peeps working hard at it to crack Nuclear Fusion)
Put a remind me on this for ~15 years. And call me out if it isn't a thing yet.
Edit: Jesus, I don't know where my head was at when typing this, apologies for my misinformation of typing Cold Nuclear Fusion. But thanks to all the good cunts on reddit at the ready to correct me. You're dicks, but you're factually accurate dicks and that is the distinction I love the reddit community for.
ValAichi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:26:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As we understand physics, Cold Fusion is almost certainly impossible, sorry.
Hot Fusion, however, is still remarkable and well worth the effort if you are truly interested.
Kelly_Johnson ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:26:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITER is not cold fusion though, its operating temperature is several times hotter than the core of the sun. It has to be, since the pressure is nowhere nearly as high, and even at those high pressures the sun only produces about as much power as a human (per unit volume).
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:23:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's hysterical that someone who hopes to become a nuclear engineer thinks ITER is using cold fusion. Did you just invent this story about doing an engineering degree?
EDIT: lol
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I could eat my own boot for saying something so silly. Fortunately though, you needn't worry about an idiot like me being the one actually trying to make the fusion reaction.
I'm studying electrical engineering with a specialization in superconductors, with my master's course being the [FUSION EP](eacea.ec.europa.eu/erasmus_mundus/results_compendia/documents/projects/action_1_master_courses/fusion-0164_final.pdf) programme. With it you go to the universities that have modules applicable to your specific sect of fusion engineering, mine being mainly to do with the superconducting magnetics that hold the plasma in the torus shape.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:13:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nifty. Best of luck. You have my full support dragging the human race kicking and screaming into the future.
Narcolepzzzzzzzzzzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...was your comment the entirety of your pledged support?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As opposed to...sending money to ITER?
Kelly_Johnson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:13:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did some work on the ITER CS (central solenoid) and TF (toroidal field) cables for by bachelor thesis. It's pretty interesting stuff, but I doubt a future fusion reactor will use the same superconducting material as ITER uses now. Since the start of the project much better materials have been discovered, for example the ones from the REBCO (rare eath barium copper oxide) group. A future fusion reactor that uses this material can be build much smaller/cheaper/faster, but maybe you'll be the one to help build one of those :)
You should also check out this video, it's very insightful and I'm sure you'll find it interesting: https://youtu.be/KkpqA8yG9T4
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome, what're you studying and where? It sounds interesting.
I suppose that the other trouble with trying to build the test reactors, is that in the time it takes to complete one new tech and materials are created and uncovered what could've prevented a lot of the compromises and tradeoffs in the originally designs. But that just means that it'll all get cheaper and more efficient a whole lot quicker.
Thank you so much for the link, I'll be sure to watch it when I get back from class. :)
Kelly_Johnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:41:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm studying applied physics at the university of Twente in the Netherlands. I think the group there is mostly concerned with the cooling and stability of the magnetic systems of ITER, not so much with how to control the plasma using the magnetic field. There are quite a lot of universities that are involved with the project though, and even outside fusion reactors there is a lot of research going on regarding superconductors in other applications (like windmill generators or long distance power cables). I'm by no means an expert in this, since I only worked with superconductors for 3 months or so.
You really hit the nail on the head there. These kinds of projects on the cutting edge of technology take quite a while to design, so by the time you're starting construction your design is already kind of obsolete. There is not much you can do about it, but we'll get there eventually (with enough funding that is).
stevenorkney ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just about to do my master's year and I'd love to work for ITER one day! Maybe we'll end up working together lol
daanno2 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:19:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really really wish man. But looking at the current projected timeline, and the history of the project, I'm very doubtful.
Arborgarbage ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the times all it takes is a tipping point for technologies to take off.
aelric22 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then, you just inspired me to hope for a new human achievement: Getting to the point where tipping points are no longer needed to move forward with new ground breaking technologies that will solve many more problems than it would create. Seriously: Long Term Gains > Short Term Gains
GreySummer ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:47:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/U.S._historical_fusion_budget_vs._1976_ERDA_plan.png
this shows the true level of commitment to making it work.
throwaway03022017 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:09:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, it wouldn't even take that much money. $8-10 bn isn't much in the US budget.
aelric22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean in the US Defense Budget? ;)
throwaway03022017 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:46:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's only half our budget and tbh, defense research is probably the best way to get fusion research funded.
aelric22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lockheed Martin is doing just that right now.
vvbloodrushvv ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:45:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came in here for nuclear ty
Hobbits_armpit ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:15:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never mind fusion, lets just use fission & get the hell off coal/oil.
TheRealMiddleman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are already many nuclear power plants. At least in the area that I live.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but what about nookular radiation? /s
Hobbits_armpit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's only found in bananas.
EccentricTurtle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:22:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally posted about liquid fluoride salt reactors in a few subs! From /r/futurology:
To me, it sounds incredibly promising. I really believe nuclear power is going to be the way forward.
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's cool too, but it's fission, not fusion.
fricks_and_stones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although the power cycle is fairly understood, no one has really figured out what an operational plant would look like. A commercial application would require a high percentage of uptime relative to reprocessing and repair time, which is harder than it sounds since the entire reactor is operating at temperatures that melt salt. It just might not be practical.
Foxehh2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is fusion power exactly? Is it comparable to nuclear power or is it completely its own entity?
eceuiuc ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:35:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a kind of nuclear power, but conceptually different from the kind that we already use. I'll try to explain as simply as possible.
What we already have is based on fission, which is when the nuclei of big atoms get split into smaller ones and release energy. It's great for energy generation, but requires you to mine radioactive minerals and produces radioactive waste.
Fusion is based on fusing the nuclei of hydrogen together to form helium. This releases several times the energy you get from fission. Furthermore, its fuel is far more common (you can get hydrogen from water) and its waste is far less dangerous (the only radioactive part will probably be the reactor itself, which can't explode).
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Current nuclear powerplants operate off of nuclear fission. Nuclear fission is a process where the atom of very dense materials like plutonium or uranium are split, and the energy generated by dividing the atom is used to generate electricity.
Nuclear fusion is the process where atoms (hydrogen in this case) are fused together releasing high amounts of energy, and forming helium atoms.
Currently we have mastered fission, but can only create fusion in bombs. We can start a fusion process, but can't control or harness it for a very long period of time, and thus isn't viable for electricity generation yet.
If we are able to master nuclear fusion, then we will effectively eliminate all energy concerns for mankind. Energy would be abundant and close to free, and clean. The only byproduct of hydrogen nuclear fusion is small amounts of helium and a radioactive neutron, which we could theoretically contain and store very easily.
Foxehh2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How realistic is this?
raretrophysix ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieving power from fusion is one thing. Doing so in an economically sound fashion with good efficiency is another.
Imagine we design a reactor that is 5% efficient (it outputs 5% more energy than energy put in to make it work) Each unit is 100 million and can power a small town.
Now economically a choice must be made if preexisting infrastructure should be replaced with the core fusion reactor. Note at this point we have fully operational plants and the resources needed for them. So at this point we have fusion technology but no one wants to invest in it because even if its clean energy there is no need for it. Let's say after 50 years the plant would pay itself out from reduced maintenance but 50 years is too long for the average investor.
Let's say hypothetically we have a massive social push for this energy and we start replacing some plants. In 5 years now a reactor with 10% efficiency comes out and great. The government just paid 2 billion to provide energy for 20 towns when it could have paid 1 billion for 20 towns. Now what is the inventive to pay for 10% when we can get 15% in a couple of years?
Imagine now new oil fields are discovered in the melted Antarctica. Now the government asks if its cheaper to build 10% reactors or continue drilling oil. No lobbying will be made to convince the government to pick the cheaper oil. It can power small towns at 5% the cost lets say.
Now suppose years in the future we achieve 50% efficiency. Then we will start actually replacing plants. But lets imagine that to achieve 50% efficiency it would take 50 years from 10% efficiency...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will probably happen one day, but not any time soon. I wouldn't expect it in my lifetime.
Jop902 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how old are you or your life time, but check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0KuAx1COEk
I expect it in my life time at least and I'm not even that positive, where it would be too late to make a change that's another story.
AsterJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The challenges of fusion are achieving the extremely high temperatures and pressures needed to sustain the reaction. Currently that takes more energy than the reaction provides. The sun gets those conditions for free in its core due to gravity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't we set off bombs in space and then use big nets to capture the energy then let it slide down a tube into earth.
13Zero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With funding it might be possible in a couple decades supposedly.
It's been dramatically below funding targets for half a century, which is why they've been saying fusion is close to completion for that long.
aelric22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's very realistic, there is just a lot of funding required for the people researching it, to test their theories out and solve the current obstacles. If we can solve that issue, I see nothing else standing in the way of this scientific dream becoming a reality.
aelric22 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It IS a form of nuclear power. Instead of the easier conventional fission power which is done by splitting an atom to release energy, this is combining two atoms that release far more energy.
The golden standard of fission power is the use of radioactive elements which is one of the larger negatives of using fission to create energy. You have radioactive waste, that causes issues for storage, and you have to build more infrastructure to literally contain garbage for a long period of time (100's of year for the half life breakdown of those elements to be considered safe).
Fusion is a much more sustainable source (if not already the holy grail of energy creation). The golden standard for fusion is using hydrogen the most abundant element in our known universe. Therefore, you can never truly run out of the fuel source. Also, there is no nuclear waste involved and the byproduct of hydrogen based fusion is in fact helium (which is also hard to come by). The energy you get released from fusion is far greater than fission (maybe 10 times or more), however, you do need much more energy to trigger fusion than fission which is the main overall obstacle right now. There is also the obstacle of sustaining and containing fusion. We have capability of fusion bombs, but the issue is also containing that level of energy and harnessing it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't me use micro fusion to cause the reaction and cause bigger explosions all the way up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just another way of generating electricity by heating shit up. Fission-based nuclear reactors, natural gas-fired plants and coal-fired plants all work by using an energy source to heat up water to make steam and use that steam to turn turbines that generate electricity.
Cons: Extremely difficult, so difficult that there are no commercially viable fusion reactors in existence. Still produces nuclear waste.
Benefits: High energy output relative to the amount of fuel necessary. No threat of runaway reactions like in a fission-based nuclear plant. Radioactive waste has a much, much lower half-life relative to the waste produced by fission reactors.
the-real-apelord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up in the sky.
sublimePBJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bird?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:03:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sun?
SheepyYoshi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:28:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should take a look at 'Iter' project, a promising collaboration between 35 nations amd the worlds largest fusion project so far!
TheOJ25 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was at a decommissioned fusion reactor at the university of Illinois earlier this dome and met some of the lead researchers in fusion energy and they said that basically the biggest problem is they can't find a material to build the reactors with that won't melt apart from containing a constant fusion reaction. They said that there's really no accurate estimate on when this will happen and it could be 1 year or 100 years so hopefully it'll be something we can see because it'll solve a lot of problems
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why we use magnetic fields to contain the plasma.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't we just use the strongest material and replace it simultaneously every few minutes wth robots.
The sun already does this because of gravity right? Can we make gravity?
azahel452 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy with some great batteries that allow us to buy power at the market, getting rid of fossil fuel forever.
eceuiuc ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:47:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better energy storage is good too, but it seems far more attainable and less cool.
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean just buying a powered battery at the store and running your home of it for days. Yeah, that's not possible according to the law of physics.
zach0011 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:13:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what law of physics prevents this from happening?
rukqoa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ones around energy density. Pure batteries have an upper bound. Of course you can have a generator that's fueled at the grocery store but that's not a battery.
zach0011 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but It was just mentioned to power a house. Is powering a modern day house really outside the realm of battery physics?
snowcone_wars ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is, yes. As was said above, you can only store so much energy in a finite space, and to power a house off a small battery is currently well beyond our capabilities. A better solution would be a small cheap generator to produce energy to power the house, where storage space does not become an issue.
Fusing a few atoms could power a city. It would take a battery bigger any ever made.
Orwellian1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vanadium boride air batteries have a theoretical limit of 27kwh/liter. I'd say the laws of physics are fine with high chemical reaction energy (electrical) density.
How likely is a different story. You said the laws of physics make it impossible, I would disagree completely.
rukqoa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the average household uses 1000kwh per month, and that's likely to increase. How much are people supposed to carry in their battery grocery shopping trips? Isn't it easier to just pipe the power to them via the grid?
Orwellian1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:56:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think all of that would be a separate discussion. I was only interested in the absolute statements.
"impossible because laws of physics" is a strong, absolute statement of fact. It was far more dismissive of the original comment than "well, that probably isn't likely due to inconvenience and infrastructure".
rukqoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The original question was whether or not it would be reasonable for people to get an entire households worth of power during grocery shopping trips if we shrink batteries small enough. The implied question is whether there is an upper limit to power density in a battery that is high enough for it to be reasonable to carry around. According to the laws of physics, the answer is no.
Orwellian1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False.
azahel452 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's as much as we buy, say, water, I'm fine.
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That you can only store so much energy in a finite amount of space. Sure, if you want to buy a battery the size of a long haul truck, it's possible.
zach0011 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but powering a house is within the laws of physics. YOure acting like a house uses 100 gigawatts a day
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You act like you want to run to the store every day to buy new power. Even then that thing would be big and heavy.
JustChilling029 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be interesting to see some data on how much power a house has been using over the past like 30+ years. I'm sure it's been rapidly increasing. No where near 100 gigawatts I'm sure but in time we could be at very high levels for houses
Blue2501 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point he's trying to make is that a battery like you're imagining wouldn't be a little think you could throw in your trunk and take in to exchange like a barbecue propane tank. Picture something more like a pickup with a service body on it, except instead of a service box it's a great big battery pack. That'd run you a few days, but now every few days you have to drive the power truck down to the recharge station and it's gonna take many hours to charge.
To do this in a manner that doesn't leave you with no power at home for a day, probably the best you could do is have a delivery service that would swap out power trucks twice a week. Once you get that far, you're basically back to residential power delivery, except instead of using power lines you're using trucks
anormalgeek ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:35:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to clarify the term "sustainable" here. They have fusion reactors that they can fire up and sustainably run for long periods of time. The issue is that they take more energy to keep running than we can extract from the reaction.
So it's not sustainable in a financial sense.
It's one of those things that continually improves, but is still a ways off from being a viable power source.
sobrique ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:47:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But at this point it's "just" an engineering challenge. We have had self sustaining reactions. We have had net positive fusion:
http://io9.gizmodo.com/breakthrough-the-worlds-first-net-positive-nuclear-fu-1442537401
And sure, it's an expensive engineering challenge, but the result is ... nigh on limitless energy. Something that could singlehandledy 'fix' all the incipient problems with humanity.
AsterJ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as the lasers consume more power than the reaction provides it's still a net negative and not self-sustaining. Furthermore it doesn't even sound like they harnessed the released energy into a usable form so there are even more inefficiencies to overcome going forward.
Jop902 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laser technology is really great at looking really great on surface, impossible to scale, hard to get the energy from it... Not great.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AsterJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't find a simple conclusion in there. The energy required to sustain the reaction is probably more than can be harvested.
proweruser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The space elevator is just an engineering challenge. It's still pretty far off.
johnpseudo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People keep saying this, and it's really, really stupid. Fusion will not provide limitless or cheap energy anymore than solar, wind, or nuclear produce limitless or cheap energy. They all require massive capital investments and produce a decidedly limited amount of energy.
sobrique ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's plentiful and continuous, much like nuclear power but without anywhere near as much hazard as a fission reaction. And the fuel source is good for an awfully long time, and the byproduct is considerably less harmful.
johnpseudo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The energy density of fusion power is much lower than fission. In other words, the reactor core needs to be much larger to output the same amount of energy.
Even in a theoretical world in which a fusion power plant can run for more than a couple minutes (which is a major problem right now)...even in a world in which all the "just engineering problems" are solved... in the best case scenario a fusion power plant will still need to shut down every couple years to replace the core cladding that has been damaged by the neutron bombardment coming out of the core. In other words, continuity is a major problem for fusion power, even under the most optimistic assumptions. It is a far larger problem than in fission power.
Tritium is the fuel source, and it's extremely rare and expensive. Fusion power plant designs rely on the assumption that they will be able to "breed" tritium in sufficient quantities to self-fuel and to produce enough excess tritium to stock additional reactors. But the best hopes of tritium breeding will only allow for a "doubling time" of about 5 years. Even if we built this thing today with all of the tritium in the world (~20kg), it would take 8.37 doublings, or 40+ years in order to fuel just 5% of the world power needs (~120 GW), at an average consumption of 55.6kg per GW. In other words, even if we got a grade-A grid-ready fusion power plant by 2030, fusion will still be a relatively insignificant power source by 2070.
thesseda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be amazing
theWhyvern ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree wholeheartedly.
To be rid of fossil fuel pollution that feeds electricity, and to reduce the demand on space wind power turbines take, would be a blessing for the world, but a curse for fossil fuel workers.
Here in Kentucky, we still have tens of thousands of people who depend on coal to survive. Going fusion with them still working coal is going to create a lot of ghost towns and unemployed people.
Something we Kentuckians, and other areas that have heavy reliance on fossil fuel, are going to have to hurry up and plan for catching the people dependent on the industry.
EventHorizon00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was going to be my reply. Yes, please.
SlothMaestro69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest issue with fusion energy is that it may never be viable and that puts off many potential investors... understandably
Liquidretro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A molten salt thorium powered reactor is very promising and has run at the research level early on in the USA's nuclear program. I hope the USA will fund research on it because if no it will be China and India we will be paying for ip in the future.
is_not_paranoid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand
ptd163 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll never see it because the renewables industry will likely bribe, kick, and scream the same way the fossil fuels industry is right now when fusion comes knocking.
1LuckFogic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ITER project is well underway and scheduled for completion on 2019 and is intended to essentially be the first viable fusion reactor (by emitting more energy than is required to run it)
stepheno125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too sustainables are great and all, but you need something for base load. Fission could provide this, but I am afraid that it has lost the PR war.
Andrewtoney3300 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah fusion would be nice but I would settle for a kamehaha.
extracanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the first fusion mega bomb
apleima2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...we already have those...
Seriously, thermonuclear bombs are fusion bombs. It's how they are capable of being orders of magnitude more powerful than the fission bombs dropped in WW2. In fact, fusion bombs use the fission nuclear reaction to initiate the subsequent fusion reaction, which is much more powerful.
extracanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I know, thats why I added MEGA BOMB. Without the pesky need for a igniter the Tsar bomb would look tiny.
BrianPurkiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd also be happy to see a significant boost in battery storage.
The implications of storing home solar, thousand mile or more electric cars, and portable devices that can last for weeks would revolutionize so many things in modern culture.
kendrickshalamar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly different goal: the continuous production of more energy than we can use. You can always ground or ramp down the excess.
MHE17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Talk to Batman
fordahor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will put an end to all the aggressive petro-gas authoritarian shitholes once and for all. Can't wait to see that happens.
paxgarmana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that cannot be weaponized and turned into a nuclear bomb that may or may not tale 5 months to destroy America's greatest city.
29100610478021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ELI5?
eceuiuc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:41:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we ram a lot of really tiny things together to make slightly bigger tiny things, we can get a lot of energy. We just haven't figured out how to do it in a way that won't lose money.
29100610478021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:57 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see - thanks
shawnkfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up during the day, we already have a very commercially viable fusion reactor.
professorKG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ELI5?
eceuiuc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6s4skx/what_human_achievement_do_you_want_to_see_during/dlaf9mb/
hannahfoerster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a complete novice to this area, may I ask why we're not spending money to research it more? Genuinely curious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple reasons.
1) the research is extremely expensive and won't come to fruition for at least 50 years. It's not hard to see why people don't want to invest in something like that.
2) Fossil fuel companies lobby to pass laws that favor fossil fuel companies and hurt their competition (their competition being all renewable sources of energy)
3)People are scared of the word nuclear
MintyTruffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC we could have fusion in a couple years if it got proper funding. It's perpetually a few years away, just in need of funding.
mivanit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, this is the most important thing to me. Fusion power will really help kick off real space exploration, and allow us to provide food+water for everyone
Sirz_Benjie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I want to see. I think it would be amazing to see nuclear fusion in action.
AndyFal12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long video, but full of ideas.
Impact of Fusion ~20m
alenizslo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
see the ITER project. it's being built right now
RevWaldo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh, fusion power. The famed Up! documentary series features Nick who grew up to be a nuclear physicist. I forget if it in 21 Up (1977) or 28 Up (1984) but he was excited to have joined a fusion energy research project, and was confident a working reactor was only decade or so away. Later films he's openly disappointed how little progress there's been.
joshuabeebe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My physics professor laughed every time he heard it mentioned. "Ten more years they say, but they don't tell you they've been saying that for 70 years!"
AlaskaTuner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow came in here and posted the exact same thing before reading any comments.
Seeing this is the top comment restores a little faith in humanity. I love you, Reddit.
Unfortunately it may never happen.
charizardpoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly is the importance of fusion power?
apleima2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
like nuclear fission works by releasing energy by breaking heavy elements into lighter ones, nuclear fusion power releases energy by combining (fusing) light elements into heavier ones. Namely, combine 2 hydrogen atoms to create a helium atom + energy. Alot of energy.
It has many theoretical advantages. The amount of energy released from a fusion reaction is quite high. Nuclear warheads work off the fusion reaction, and are several orders of magnitude stronger than the fission bombs dropped in WW2. It's fuel is plentiful. Water contains hydrogen molecules. Hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the universe. It also has no nuclear waste, other than reactor components themselves. the byproduct is simply helium.
as for cons, well its still not viable as reactors are very expensive, take years to build, and so far are still not energy positive, meaning it takes more energy in than the reactor produces. Fusion powers stars, so engineers are literally trying to recreate a sun inside a reactor. obviously this is difficult.
charizardpoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL. Thanks for the input and your efforts, OP.
jahowl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated electric cars
Khourieat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries, it's just 10 years away.
fillhumpfree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get a Ford Fusion, duh
MisterGurkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Today in the Dutch news! Scientists found a way to contain the huge amounts of energy/heat generated in fusion:
Translated article: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnos.nl%2Fartikel%2F2186875-nederlandse-uitvinding-brengt-kernfusie-dichterbij.html&edit-text=
Oakwood2317 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a friend who works for Lockheed Martin-he seems suspiciously confident we'll have workable fusion reactors in 20 years. Me, not so much.
fricks_and_stones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, 20 years ago I worked as an undergrad in plasma engineering, which had some overlap with people working on fusion. I met a guy who pretty big into it, who said we were probably 20 years away. He also said they've been saying we're 20 years away for 40 years.
Tipperary555 ยท 34708 points ยท Posted at 13:40:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Alzheimer's. I have a family history and it terrifies me having witnessed what it does to people.
Edit: This reaction was really unexpected but thank you to the many people who shared their experiences. My granny died last year due to Alzheimer's which she had been suffering for most of my life so to hear that so many people have gone through the same thing is really incredible. One thing that stuck with me from the funeral was a stranger saying to me "at least you have lots of memories of her". But the thing is I don't. That has stuck with me since and is a constant reminder to me of how horrible it really is.
denimOwl ยท 7584 points ยท Posted at 14:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching a loved one progress with Alzheimers just tears at your heart. There are few things that match this sadness.
[deleted] ยท 4498 points ยท Posted at 14:43:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely mate. It's gut wrenching watching someone you love and care about gradually slip away. It's even worse when they're full aware of their condition and what's going on.
Troppin ยท 11962 points ยท Posted at 14:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing a woman that loved me my whole life forget who I am, cry fresh tears for a husband that died decades ago, is gut-wrenching.
sysadminale ยท 3500 points ยท Posted at 15:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh my god
closing this thread. heartbreaking.
Troppin ยท 3154 points ยท Posted at 15:10:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will go sadder. She was happy to talk to me despite thinking me a stranger. That is how lonely retirement homes are.
[deleted] ยท 1268 points ยท Posted at 15:28:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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thestigmata ยท 2161 points ยท Posted at 15:55:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you sued the hell out of that place for negligence. Bed sores are extremely preventable and evidence that a nursing home was not turning your loved one correctly or leaving her soaking in urine and feces for so long that it destroyed her skin.
NO ONE should die from bed sores. Fucking no one, I used to be a CNA and there are some lazy cunts that should have never joined the field. Pisses me off to no end
From_the_Underground ยท 827 points ยท Posted at 16:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom works in a hospital and says the same thing, that bed sores are a sign of neglect.
thewomanfrommel ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:05:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't they have special mattresses for bed sores? They gave me a mattress once that would deflate and reflate every time I moved. I thought it was a really mean thing to do too because I had just had major abdominal surgery.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:45:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"hey these guys are doing badly because they're underfunded, let's fund them less"
America fuck yeah!
saintofhate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do the same thing with schools and social services. Everything's fucked.
xavierash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They absolutely do, but... Money. Aged care in particular is insanely expensive to provide. Staff are overworked as it is, but they can't really afford more staff. Incontinence aids are rationed and kept under lock and key. And all the equipment is expensive because it's specialised and niche.. Also because f**k you that's why. So 150 fancy inflating air mattresses are a massive cost when you can just make the care staff roll nanna every few hours.
DarthRegoria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do exist, but they are expensive so not many places have them for every patient/ client. It is common to have some in a facility, but they are reserved for those at the most risk (or who can afford to buy their own). There are very rarely as many as they need.
zombiefatcher ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 23:14:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is. CNA here, I understand the job is frustrating and sometimes you will change someone or reposition them and 5 minutes later they may be wet requiring you to change the sheets, pad, brief, etc, but that's YOUR FUCKING JOB. I had 16 people minimum I was taking care of by myself that was on the low end, but that's the job you signed up for. Regardless of how annoyed or tired you are, those are people that are relying on you for help. I was ALWAYS picking up the slack of lazy aides.
Dislol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never understood this, if you don't like it or think its too much work for what you're being paid, then fucking quit. Don't make other people suffer (patients you don't care for, coworkers who have to suffer your negativity, etc) because you don't want to do the job you accepted a position for.
w4nderlusty ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 19:00:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god. My dad died a year ago this week from complications due to bedsores he got in hospital. If this is true, that bedsores are caused from neglect, then fuck Etobicoke General more than I already thought.
gd_akula ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:46:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it won't ease your pain, but sue the shit out of them if you have the means. Not only for your sake, but to make it cost them so maybe they enact measures protect someone else's loved ones from a similar fate.
Haltheleon ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:16:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what a lot of people forget about lawsuits. A lot of people seem to have this notion that anyone suing for anything automatically just makes them a greedy fuck and that they should just get over it, even if there was some form of malpractice or negligence involved, but by taking a stand you can often get measures put in place to ensure it doesn't happen to others.
UrbanIsACommunist ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:19:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's another side to the story. First of all, pressure sores can form quickly and are very difficult to heal once developed. Most facilities, especially in rural areas, are perpetually understaffed. Nursing homes, unlike hospitals, do not usually run a profit. The pay for staff is extremely poor, and literally no one wants to be there.
We know how to prevent pressure sores. Turn the patient every 2 hours. It sounds simple, but when you consider the number and difficulty of patients the staff deals with, people get overwhelmed. Would you work for $15/hr cleaning up human feces, changing diapers, babysitting miserable elders many of whom have been essentially abandoned by their families to die? Fancy hospitals and nursing homes have 24 hour "turn teams" assigned specifically to turn patients so they don't develop sores.
Now if the place is in a rich area and running a profit there is no excuse for the staff to let pressure sores develop and you are very right to sue. But an unequivocal attitude of "just sue their asses" is not helpful for nursing homes that are in underserved areas. You really won't get much from a settlement anyway, and if the place is already hurting it's not going to help anything because it's not a fault in procedure but a lack of resources. There are much worse cases of negligence than letting pressure sores develop. There are plenty of cases every year of patients escaping and getting hit by a car or freezing to death in the middle of winter.
These days everyone wants nursing homes to take care of their family members, but they don't want to pay for it. It is honestly a shit job--the working staff make $31k per year while office staff make $45k per year. No real room for advancement. Very poor working conditions. These people are on the lower rung of the totem poll and you expect that they are going to be cream of the crop, hard working, dedicated workers? Not to take away from those who are (and there are plenty of noble souls out there who deserve a lot of credit), but the people making mistakes in a nursing home are not usually the most competent workers in the first place.
From_the_Underground ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:14:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your father and how he went.
TropicanaMesylate ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 16:37:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a serious question and it's not an attack on you in anyway, but do you do anything when you see a lazy CNA? They shouldn't be CNAs so couldn't you report them to someone or something and get rid of them? Wouldn't your word mean more than a complaining customer? Obviously people are very sensitive about their loved ones so I could see how personal complaints without hard proof being swept away but surely another CNA saying something carries more weight?
I've personally never seen anyone in any field actually go up to their boss and repeatedly show that an employee is incompetent to borderline dangerous and I'd imagine it's the same exact thing with medical professionals and it seems... pretty shitty.
What do people actually do to combat this? Besides suing after the fact. My grandfather died of bed sores in a hospital when he had pneumonia so it's something that bothers me more than probably the average person.
joelupi ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 17:08:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP but emt and current pct in a hospital where we see a fair share.
It comes down to staffing. They can't afford to get rid of them because no one wants to work as a CNA in a nursing home. You have unsafe staffing ratios (20 to 40 to 1 cna), you are constantly being barked at by the nurse or really lpn to do more things than there is time for (waiters call this being in the weeds and it literally starts the minute you walk in the door) or you have the opposite where everyone is so blaise and apathetic that they don't care and nothing gets done. These are the kind you roll up to someone in CHF and when you go to get report everyone scatters like bugs when you turn on the light. Despite what they say this shit didn't "just happen"
You also have the possibility of being known as the tattle tale and then Nothing happens but everyone else knows you told so you're the one cleaning up the 95 year old who is consistently incontinent by yourself.
thestigmata ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you are more afraid of being a tattle tale and a rat then a human life ending in bed sores or any other form of negligent care?
You want to report? Guess what!! You can do it anonymously!! Crazy right?
UrbanIsACommunist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:29:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that simple. The point is that tattling often doesn't help anyway, so you are making your miserable job even more miserable and you didn't make the situation any better because there is nothing anyone can do about it. Are you going to fire a CNA from a nursing home with a 30:1 patient to staff ratio? Then the existing staff will have an even harder time managing everything including pressure sores.
hypn0fr0g ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:20:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RN in ICU Here and a large part of the issue is staffing. Unfortunately in a for profit healthcare system such as in the US, everything is about maximizing profits which always places the heaviest load on those nearer the bottom of the totem pole. Meaning stretching patient to caregiver ratios to as large as is safe (per the particular organizations policies) and also that more often than not most floors are understaffed. They're understaffed to the point where they literally can't afford to fire any nurses because they couldn't lose one person and try and find more people to pay to train. Not only this, but the budgets are controlled so tightly that despite all of the nurses who work on my floor desperately expressing desire for help from just one CNA per shift, we are consistently told by management that it's simply not in the budget.
Considering I work in an acute setting, I'm not terribly familiar with CNA:patient ratios within ALFs and SNFs but I usually hear something to the tune of 20-40 patients per CNA. Imagine if 5 of those patients soiled themselves within an hour time frame and it is one person's responsibility to clean them all up. It would be nice to think it only takes five minutes to clean someone else up, but it doesn't. When most of the patient population is going to have significantly limited mobility, its mostly likely closer to 15-20 minutes to clean a person and change sheets for someone that is bedbound meaning one of those 5 is sitting in their own stool or urine for an hour AT BEST.
I'm not saying that there aren't negligent caretakers out there, there certainly are, but the root of the problem is deeper than that.
cgxo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in addition to this, there's the consideration that patients arent always cooperative and refuse care. especially with alzheimers! turning/repositioning and frequent pericare is important but the patient's behaviour can be a major factor as well
AberrantWhovian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You posted a dozen or two of that comment.
hypn0fr0g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm on my phone and it didn't look like it was posting so, naturally, I just kept hitting the button and then I refreshed to find it had been working the whole time..
coltwitch ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:50:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife is a nurse and vents to me about work when she needs to. She has confronted people directly and then went on to complain to managers (when situations didn't improve) about a few CNAs and LPNs in the past. As far as I know, only one was ever let go and that's because of an unrelated issue that the CNA caused involving other staff. I believe that the facility where this happened was experiencing a serious shortage of applicants to their open CNA/LPN positions.
DarthRegoria ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:04:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a CNA, but had a similar job caring for elderly and disabled in their homes (PCA - Personal Care Attendant). These positions are hard to staff, so bad workers have to do something very drastic to get fired. The pay is awful, the work is messy as well as physically and emotionally demanding. It's hard to get enough staff. They just don't want to pay enough to have proper staff.
thestigmata ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:49:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People can defend the Nursing homes, conditions of employment etc all they want. As a person, as a professional, as a simple employee regardless of the field your job is to report it.
Nursing has checks and balances to prevent whistleblowers from being retaliated against and everyone who has ever worked in healthcare has seen the hour long videos required before employment can begin on this subject. You are a mandated reporter and can go to jail for not reporting it.
I have personally reported three board and cares and had one shut down as a result of my report while working in hospice.
Documentation is key. However, the boss sometimes defends the incompetent in which case you go above their head and report directly to the Ombudsman, social worker, etc.
CNAs or whoever you are out there stop hiding behind your fear and fucking report it. Imagine if it was your mom. Burn in hell if you let an elderly patient sit in urine for hours.
AppliedEthics ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would also like OP to answer this.
thestigmata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I answered already. I worked in healthcare for about 9 years before switching to IT. The amount of people that go into this field that want to be โhealersโ or expect a nice paycheck and then fall into the same lazy work are all pathetic and should just get out of healthcare.
Again, thereโs systems in place wether it be federal or not to report. Do it
PineappleSuppository ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:53:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm extremely late to this and did not read all the replies but yes, CNA's that call people out do exist. I was a CNA at a hospital and one of the units I worked on was geriatric psych (Alzheimer's, dementia, etc in people aged 55 or older). This one girl I worked with always refused to clean men's genital areas (on the ones who couldn't bathe themselves) because it was "too awkward." There were several instances like that but the straw that broke the camels back for me was when I was giving her report (so who is ambulatory, who can/can't toilet themselves, feed themselves, etc) and she said "oh I don't care about that, you can go home." You don't care who can WALK?! I told my boss and she never worked on the unit again. My mom is a CNA at a long term care facility and she has turned coworkers in and then gotten reprimanded for doing so because the administration is shit and they are so short staffed that they would rather have an incompetent employee than none at all. It's very sad.
klethra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I file an anonymous complaint with my state's Common Entry Point
http://registrations.dhs.state.mn.us/WebManRpt/Who_CEP4.html
This is something anyone can do, but I am required by law to do so if I even suspect someone is being mistreated. I have only had to do this myself once (a family friend's adult daughter was being denied meals based on her behavior). When a late, former client of mine was kept in a hospital's care facility, my boss was more than happy to file a complaint. I hope that place is shut down by now, but I don't know.
kingjuicepouch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a long term care facility and there are some trash cnas. I'm not in their department though so the most I can do is tell our DON, who doesn't do anything as far as I know
DenniePie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:37 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was famous at my old hospital for my efforts to get a nurse I was precepting fired,. I've also reported bad or lazy or incompetent NAs. Problem is, nurses have zero authority as far as hiring or firing.
deafymirmir ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:36:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CNA/CMA here. I currently work in assisted living so bed sores are rare in my department because the majority of my residents can ambulate well. However, we once received a resident who was paralyzed on his left side of his body. He hated being moved and would scream and holler at us if we moved him. No amount of painkillers and mood stabilizers could help. But the family gave us permission to ignore his resistance in order to treat his bed sores because the last place he lived in gave him horrible bed sores. I had bruising up and down my arms, sides, and shoulders for months until he passed away from liver failure.
My point is that it's easy to blame CNAs for bed sores but we are understaffed and our caregiver to resident ratio is expanding despite our protests. Also, your grandma or grandpa might be super sweet to you but is abusive and combative towards me. The only way we give amazing care is when the nursing home is not a full capacity. My field has a high turnover rate because we are so exhausted. I had to go PRN in order to save my sanity. Suing the nursing homes create worse problems for the staffing. If we get sued then our hours will be cut and there'll be even less caregivers on the floor. Sometimes working in caregiving is like being stuck in an abusive relationship.
sakurarose20 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom moved to working in dining, because she's tired of people not giving a shit about clients, as well as the nurses who cause drama and act catty.
crnext ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did it state that she was hospitalized or living in assist?
There are still demented patients living at home. My deceased grandfather was testament to that. I was my grandmothers live in caregiver.
thekickingmule ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:55:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Dad is suffering from Alzheimers. Honestly, if bed sores killed him off, I don't think I could sue anyone.
_Constructed_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:14:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know a nursing home that smells like fresh piss and constantly leaves people on artificial toilets. They always neglect alarms and tune out anything that doesn't fit their schedule. There needs to be a Florence Nightingale of nursing homes, there really needs to be.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more difficult than that, particularly with dementia or Alzheimer's that robs the person of all quality of life. My grandma recently died. The verdict from the coroner was cause of death advanced dementia and pneumonia. Was the pneumonia preventable? Who cares. Suing doesn't bring anyone back, and with illnesses like dementia, at least in the case of my grandma, it's better that they die anyway.
My point is: please be a little more sensitive
nwz123 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:21:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a job, right?!
/s
Those kind of people and what they do to others, sickens me to no end. Gotta thank our economic culture for that.
Sandslinger_Eve ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can also be a sign that the hospital is understaffed, either in total staff or in total staff with the necessary education.
Makes you feel better to blame it on individuals though right ?
Calminthestorms ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:27:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering how much little they get paid for the amount they do and how understaffed they usually are, can't really blame the individuals.
vbahero ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:29:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, we can. Take another job where people won't die if you're negligent. Go be a bartender FFS
yoloswaggins420gg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bartenders can make way more money than a CNA. A more fitting switch would be McDonalds/Walmart, etc.
darkspy13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait are you being sarcastic? A bartender can kill people too.....
airstrike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, much less likely. Patrons aren't facing death as they walk in.
darkspy13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol poisoning is deadly and bartenders can and do prevent it every day. Also, when someone truly has gone too far they can get the police involved if they know that person is going to drive home etc.
Bartenders can go a long way to save lives. I think it's a terrible example for "not being able to kill people through gross negligence".
They are like a lifeguard for alcoholics. They may not see everyone that's drowning but a trained bartender can save lives.
At any rate, I still agree with your previous point. I'm just nit-picking your example.
Sandslinger_Eve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a hospital and just yesterday I was treated to the Staff Nurse crying uncontrollably while stuttering out that she just can't do the job she wants to do with the reduced amount of staff that management and their budget concerns lets her have. When we have tried to report the work system as irresponsibly understaffed we get hammered from the management that have full access to the same reporting system we are contractually obligated to use.
So yes it can be a sign that the hospital is understaffed, either in total staff or in total staff with the necessary education. Meaning that no matter how much the staff try to avoid negligence it is a unavoidable outcome.
Makes you feel better to blame it on individuals though right ? Gets you that self righteous hard on that you crave oh so much I bet.
PS: I decided just yesterday to go back to accounting, twice the pay and a fraction of the heart ache. I wanted to do something more rewarding that could actually help people. But having seen too many assholes like yourself I am starting to understand that I am much better off just helping myself.
PPS. You and your ignorant blame cast can go fuck yourself.
RareKazDewMelon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really can. If they want to be negligent and inconsiderate of human life because "you're underpaid," you are not equipped for that job, and you shouldn't do it. Granted, those people are not overwhelmingly common, but there are more than there should be.
Calminthestorms ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:23:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's what I was saying. Negligence happens because of being understaffed because it's such an underpaid job and also lack of supervision? I was saying you can blame the company but not necessarily the individuals who have trouble keeping up with the work.
An EMT is pretty much monitored by peers and supervisors all the time and if they fuck up, their job is instantly on the line.
Txfirefighter95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's no excuse. EMTs barely make any more than them, if at all, see much worse things and work a hell of a lot more hours. Yeah there are some shitty emts too, but pay cant be an excuse when it comes to dealing with people's lives.
Sandslinger_Eve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you need to reread what he wrote, because he clearly didn't blame the negligence on the pay, but rather the understaffing.
jackster_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My husband worked at a nursing home in Kentucky. He had no background, they paid $7.25 an hour and mostly employed people who used to work at taco bell.
He would change a diaper at the end of the day friday, and come back Monday to find the same diaper crusted on with burns all over the patients butt and genitals. He was fired for complaining, so we wrote a letter, got them investigated, and the nursing home changed hands.
Edit: also wanted to add that most of the nurses stole RX pain meds from the patients, and if it expired they would pretend to throw it out and take it home. There was even a little drug ring going on.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Burns?
jackster_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Urine burns, and burns from the acid in the feces. So basically chemical burns.
thewomanfrommel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Christopher Reeves die from bed sores?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"That night, he went intoย cardiac arrestย after receiving anย antibioticย for the infection.ย He fell into aย comaย and was taken toย Northern Westchester Hospitalย inย Mount Kisco, New York. Eighteen hours later, on October 10, 2004, Reeve died at the age of 52. His doctor, John McDonald, believed that it was an adverse reaction to the antibiotic that caused his death." (from wikipedia)
Soulger11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here here. Such a shame that people are dying from something so simple to avoid...
cosmictransit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is fucking true. I used to be a student nurse and I have witnessed a lot of lazy nurses not caring about their patients when their main job is to give care.
Please_Try_Again ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just started working at a nursing home and I was surprised to learn this first hand. So many CNAs blow me off when I tell them so-and-so is complaining about their butt hurting, or that they need to go to the bathroom (I am not qualified for transfers). One resident had to go to the bathroom SO BAD and the nurse had the nerve to tell me that the CNAs were off in 5 minutes and the resident would have to wait for the next CNA in 15 minutes. Umm, what? Luckily OT was able to help her. I was so mad. I get the nurses can do overtime but god...
kingjuicepouch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah same boat. I am not in the nursing department so all of the CNA and nurses just ignore me when I tell them to do their jobs
BestSorakaBR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God reading that (person your replying to) just made my blood boil. Trained as a CNA, my group saw a guy in distress, asked a CNA to check on him and her response was "sorry my lunch is now. I'm leaving. I'll check on him when I get back."
Eventually our instructor checked on him after we kept bugging the shit out of him and IIRC he had to go pee. Ended up soaking his briefs.
If it weren't for the fact that the nursing home allowed us to be there, I would've raised hell on that lazy piece of garbage.
TheBeardedMarxist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are exactly right. There are some really shitty nursing homes out there.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many terrible nursing homes.
wooder32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:24 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
absolutely, even an understaffed establishment should be able to reposition q2 hr
bisonrosary ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:18:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/money/4808214/trump-administration-ban-nursing-home-arbitration/%3fsource=dam
Trump taking that option away.
Firefighter_97 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:25:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad to see not all CNA's are in the wrong field. All the CNA's in nursing homes around me are so fucking incompetent it would make your head spin. Makes we wonder how they passed their tests in the first place
waffleburner ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:43:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"gibe me monie" - like at least half of everyone in the medical field
bastards
klethra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck you too. If I were in this for the money, there are way less stressful ways to make 40k by working 60-70 hours per week.
waffleburner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:03:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[He says as he abuses another patient]
You're the one singling yourself out here. You could give yourself the benefit of the doubt.
klethra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're making blanket statements to try to convince other people that most people in healthcare are abusive. You need help.
waffleburner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do need help, but medical malpractice is a tough thing to prosecute in the state I live in so I can't get help. Bummer.
klethra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not that kind of help. You need therapy, so you can stop being such a sad sack. Maybe nobody in your life is willing to tell you this, but racist memes from /pol/ are not how you fix your life. Seek out a therapist.
waffleburner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"stop taking my victims i practice on away from me you cripple"
xavierash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please gimme more monies so the PCW to residents ratio is better than 1-20 and I'm not stuck trying to choose between assisting John out of bed, and getting Jane showered... I swear I'm busting my ass to provide the best care I can, and I really do care about those I assist. They're someone's family and I treat them like I would my own mother. Also please gib the facility enough money to not have to ration bed sheets and incontinence pads like they were made of gemstones and gold, as sometimes residents need more than 2 pads a day. If after that you could please gibe me more per hour than a fast food worker that would be good also. I'm not saying they don't work hard, but being a carer is physically and mentally draining like no other job I've had.
Yes. Please. Gibe moar monies, for I am truly a bastard.
waffleburner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:00:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fwiw I've never met a crooked nurse, I find greed and disregard for human life tends to inhabit the upper echelons of the income bracket. I complimented a nurse in this same thread. But the idea that there aren't many disgusting abusive human beings infested in public health systems is something I'll rail against until my next doctor decides I deserve to die.
xavierash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You only deserve to die when you're in palliative care and it's of your own damn choice!!
xavierash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair. Abusive people have no place in care, but the ones ive met are doing amazing work and putting in huge effort to do it, and can only put up with the system like they do because their heart is in it.
PlayerOneBegin ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother had Alzheimer's for 9 years.
I can't even imagine.
icedtea4me ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:38:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather who was my favourite person, had Alzheimer's and diabetes, got gangrene on his feet, and had amputations above his knees. Also had bed sores. My family was told either he dies from bacterial infection from the gangrene or his legs get amputated. They chose to amputate against my wishes :( he woke up wondering where his legs were and died anyway about two months later. I think the doctors had a stake in doing the amputation.
Edit: Also I should have mentioned - my condolences for your loss.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:59:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:10:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone who has experience in this field please explain how things like this happen ? Even if you hate your job why would you allow another person to suffer like this ? Seriously, do they just purposely hire shitty people to work in these places ?
Gears7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience, it's a combination of things. Always short staffed, lazy af aides, no communication between aides and nurses. You will often see the good aides leave after a few months for a hospital position or another site. I left for a hospice position and I absolutely report even the slightest discoloration of the skin to the hospice nurse, facility nurse and facility aides.
Hutch131313 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have worked as a CNA for over 20 years. This only happens from complete neglect, unfortunately there are many nursing homes that are guilty of this but not all. This job is mentally, physically, psychologically exhausting. Not many would come running to do this job, especially because you can go to McDonald's and make more in most cases. There is a management factor here as well, along with how the home is funded. There are CNA staffing issues that run ramped, most CNAs take care of up to 80 people alone on a regular basis. Edit: I want to make clear, this statement is not in ALL cases. I work in a wonderful state of the art facility, but have seen them at their worst.
kingjuicepouch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's super hard to get fired as a CNA because it's a job in such high demand that so few peeps want
icedtea4me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:06 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So sorry to hear this, my condolences :*(
kalel_79 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:56:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be terrifying, especially if he forgot multiple times about the amputations and relived it for the first time repeatedly.
icedtea4me ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:44 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah :( it was pretty much one of the WORST ways to die and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. The saddest part is that they thought he was coming back because he said a word here and there. They wanted to save him. They were complicit in the whole thing and didn't want to listen to me :( They meant it out of love but it was really terrible. My dad told me months later that I was right. And this is why I support euthanasia. Hopefully if it's legal more doctors and families will see it as a viable option in cases like this, where the end is near in any case. It is the compassionate way.
ryank_119 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Geez, that sounds terribly familiar to where I work. Almost the same exact thing.
icedtea4me ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:42 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:((
ryank_119 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:59 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She had just a bit of dementia and was at that point about 96. She kept telling her family she wanted to die but they always talked her into trying something else to extend her life. At the end they ended up amputating her legs, which was a surprise to her every morning. The pain was constant and the amputation sites became infected. Right to the end her family came in every day and basically force fed her to keep her going. We couldn't intervene. A month later she passed away without family by her side.
icedtea4me ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:53 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So brutal and frustrating. Do you think the family loved her?
ryank_119 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:19 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They really did and they were also practicing catholic. They didn't think she had the right to die when she wanted. I don't advocate suicide either but refusing life-extending intervention is different. Not at all the same as suicide.
The look in her eyes when they would come in for dinner. She loved them but knew they didn't have her best interests in mind and was unable to communicate it to them.
icedtea4me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:37 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy, that is tragic.
facetomouth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The doctors had a stake?
PM_ME_CUPS_OF_TEA ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Financial incentive despite the fact they probably knew it wouldn't do the patient any real good.
xavierash ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda. Doctors also have a strong mindset to keep people alive as long as possible and regardless of what's required. A great quality 90% of the time, but not so great in palliative care when you need to ask what sort of life they are getting.
itsachance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seen it with C-sections...
icedtea4me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:05 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah exactly. Same idea.
facetomouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do doctors really need to do surgeries that aren't warranted for money, when they work in a hospital and have people pouring in all the time who need legitimate surgeries and treatments?
PM_ME_CUPS_OF_TEA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really have little knowledge of private healthcare. I'm just explaining what the person above was talking about.
facetomouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. I knew what he meant, it's hard for me to understand how that really works.
PM_ME_CUPS_OF_TEA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, right. Well then we're in the same boat. I suppose it could be the case that whilst there aren't a shortage of patients, there are a shortage of patients who are willing/able to pay. And of course there's always competition; the patients may be all going to a competitor instead and this doctor doesn't get as many patients as he needs.
facetomouth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"These people aren't sick enough!"
icedtea4me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:33 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect that they got lots of $$$ for their hospital's dept from the government because of the surgery which was really fast, I think 8 hours if not less.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:03:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hippocratic oath commands us healthcare peofessionals to do all we can to save a person. If he got a few more months of life out of it they were doing their job. To let his infection take him while knowing they could prevent his death for a while would be malpractice unless the family/PoA specifically told the docs not to amputate.
icedtea4me ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:51 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your thoughts.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:16:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what frightens me watching my father go through Lewy Body Dementia. It will come to a point where he is bedridden and I don't want him to die staring at the ceiling covered in sores and filth. It's the most depressing experience and hopefully science can find a cure or remedy within my lifetime. It may not help my father but it will save other families.
aasteveo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When my grandpa died, at the funeral my grandma couldn't remember how she got there because grandpa would always drive her everywhere. It was then we realized how dependent they were on each other. In her new apartment, we had to put postit notes on the cabinets to remind her where things were. It was a shock because she always told the best stories and seemed sharp as a tack. I could point at any picture on the wall and she could recite a story of a camping trip from 1991, but now she couldn't remember which cabinet the plates are in. I dunno, I guess that stuff happens when you hit 90. :-/
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aasteveo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, sorry to hear that. 60 is so young. But I'm not saying it happens to everyone. Who knows. Just that Alzheimer's doesn't really show up until you're after 65.
SaavikSaid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:01:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother had dementia. I watched her die. She just couldn't take another breath, and she tried. She smoked (Pall Mall) her entire life until she forgot that she smoked, and that wasn't what killed her.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SaavikSaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry for your loss.
sasquartch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh, I am so sorry to hear that. My Grandpa had dementia as well and the staff at the long-term living he was staying in didn't really give a shit about him either. They'd always lose shit, even important things like his hearing aids and dentures. He needed assistance eating and many times he'd be sitting at the dining table for hours just staring at his food. Thankfully my mom worked at that same hospital and was able to keep people in check when she could. I really can't imagine what it would have been like had she not been there constantly.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry, mate. Where the hell were the caretakers during this!?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry about that. I wish there was a magic fix for this kind of stuff. Good luck to you bud.
Gonarhxus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Googled stage four bed sores. I immediately regret my decision.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gonarhxus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really sorry for your loss. Upsetting to think such a preventable thing happens as often as it does.
jdt79 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same exact thing happened to my grandfather.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nana also had her mind go in her later days. It was sad.
AlRubyx ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:35:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People don't die of bed sores unless they're being seriously neglected. I hope you sued the fucking shit out of that nursing home.
sternone_2 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:21:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry mate. Take care.
waaaffle ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:13:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry..
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
she your mom? she forget son? that sad.
HarveyBullock ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:52:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kevin, please.
YourHomicidalApe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's just saving time by being efficient with his words!!
carolkay ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you and your loved ones. I was a caregiver at a memory care facility, I know how important family visits are even though they are so hard.
Archlinder ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in late stage dementia care, and its tough. We do all that we can as staff to help make the facility feel less lonely and more like a community, but its an impossible task. These folks are well past their prime and sometimes can't even remeber to the simplest things we take for granted. Like putting on your own cloths and correctly. It breaks my heart when I see some of my residents so lonely and confused. I do what I can to help them mentally and also physically. Clean cloths, bathed, clean brief and mental stimulation.
jaychavda ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're doing a great job man! A job most wouldn't prefer doing.
TubbyBud ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gone through something similar myself, my aunt didn't recognise me and every 5 minutes asked who I was, I used to see her almost every other day. The isolation of retirement homes is really depressing. If you're interested though there is this documentary that follows 10 retirees and 10 pre-schoolers who spend 6 weeks together.
T3RRY ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was one of the only people my grandma recognized. Last fall, my poppop called me up and asked that I come over. Apparently she wanted to go 'home' so I packed up a over night bag and took her around the block a few times then pulled back up to her house. She was just as happy as she could be that she was finally back home. My grandma passed away 6 months later in his sleep.
mcnuccy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ
GingerBeard73 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:09:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even after my grandma passed my aunts and uncles still go to the nursing home she was in to visit the residents there.
nionvox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In high school I did volunteer work at an old age rest home/hospice. I'd play scrabble with the residents, or just chatter. Whatever they wanted, really. Many of them thought I was coming in the first time, every week. Their short term memories had just disappeared. It was like reloading a quick save and playing through it differently each time. Although I did learn what everyone's favorite activities/interests etc were though.
One dude though, he made me so sad. Lovely man, would tell me about how his son had paid for him to stay here 'at the nice resort' (it was actually a very nice rest home so there's that) 'just last week'. He was looking forward to seeing him again, with his new wife. I talked to the nurses about him later - the son had dropped off his father about 5 years back, because him and the new wife thought dad's Alzheimer's was 'creepy' and didn't want him around.
This dude's short term memory was gone at this point, but the first few months, he was still aware that his son had basically abandoned him (in his lucid moments anyway). A bittersweet victory for everyone there when he lost it entirely.
castizo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck man...
Cuuuckkkservative ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit... my aunt and uncle used to own a nursing home and I worked their for a short time. Its very depressing. Even their childrend didn't want to carry over the business.
GrifterDingo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just as likely that she was a friendly woman happy to chat with a new friend!
tinkerer13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
play her some music that she liked
kfmush ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few years ago, my mom and I went to visit her brother in the nursing home. He had Alzheimer's. It was the sorriest thing I have witnessed.
As we walked in, a small, elderly woman was pulling her self down the hall with the railing. She saw my mother and started waving her hands frantically. "Go back! Go back!" she yelled, "You don't want to be here. Please, go back."
Her brother's disease was very far along and he could barely speak. They had him strapped down to a wheelchair and we thought it seemed like he had been there a long time without getting up. He kept muttering he had to use the bathroom and it took forever to find a nurse that could help. He could barely speak and couldn't recognize either of us. But he was obviously joyful to have company, though, no matter whom it was. I'll never forget the big smile on his face as he nodded and muttered "yes" when my mom asked if he liked my new shoes. It was a good image to keep in my mind from seeing him in such a sorry state the last few days of his life.
Coppeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question tho, what's the reason behind not taking parents home and have them live with you?
bestem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom had Alzheimer's. Towards the end (like, starting a year or so before she died), she couldn't really communicate anymore. She couldn't feed herself, or use the bathroom, or walk. She stayed at home until she died, but it was just super stressful on all of us, as caregivers.
There were people from her Alzheimer's support group, or later her Alzheimer's daycare, that would leave the house and start wandering around. They would get lost and not know how to get home, not know how to contact someone to help them get home (like, they would forget phone numbers), or they wouldn't know who to contact, wouldn't know where home was. Even if help was called for them, like the police, it wasn't always easy to help them immediately.
There were other people from her group that had done things like turn on water to boil for a cup of coffee, and forget about it, and the smoke detector would go off, causing even more issues.
So, it's hard on the caregivers, who haven't ever been trained on how to care for an adult who is essentially a young child in many ways, and regressing more all the time. Also, unless you lock them in, it's also difficult to keep tabs on them 24/7 (what if they get out of bed and out of the house while you're sleeping?). Lastly, it's dangerous for the variety of ways they can cause issues around the house (not just fire hazards because of forgetting you started the stove, or you left the gas on without lighting the stove, but accidentally poisoning themselves, or anything else a kid who can't read yet could do as well).
Coppeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for your reply, that makes a lot of sense and is giving me a lot to think about.
I'm sorry to hear about your mom. I can't imagine how stressful it was for you, those who tried their best and your mother herself. Alzheimer's is really one of the worst and I hope the cure for it comes sooner.
Profoundpanda420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STOP
imtriing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I don't know you and I don't have any experience that I can relate to yours with - but if you ever want someone to talk to, drop me a PM? I'm happy to chat. Take care of yourself.
SmallLumpOGreenPutty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:41:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They always remember on some level. They might not be able to tell you how they know you, but you feel familiar to them.
Please don't perpetuate the myth that care homes are the worst place to put a loved one. I work in a care home and this misconception is unfair.
cutelyaware ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And those are just the ones fortunate enough to afford a retirement home. The GOP would rather put the rest on the street than help them.
KrippleStix ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:47:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandpa on my dad's side had dementia. My aunt went to visit him one day, as she often did. After chatting a bit she asked if he wanted to go for a walk. He said he couldn't because he was waiting for his daughter to visit. So they just sat and chatted. He would mention how she should be here soon. At one point something in his brain must have ticked and he asked if she was his daughter. He cried.
Of all the things I was told about how he was near the end this one hit me the hardest. These types of diseases(?) are brutal to see people go through.. Sorry for potentially making your day sadder, just the first time this story felt relevent and I kinda wanted to share.
Swankified_Tristan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:33:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just remember someone's answer to this thread was a Reddit search function that works. That's pretty funny, I guess.
2ND_Dinner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah im at a bar waiting for a friend. Will revisit later...
elruary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take it with you. Holy shit.
RipCopper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enough Reddit for today. I am sad now.
I_Am_Kain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IM NOT CRYING.. YOU'RE CRYING..
hockeyjim07 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:28:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's his cake day for crying out loud! :'(
NationalDiarrhea ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:18:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't imagine the pain if my wife forgets who I am but I know I would still love her as much as I always do.
Troppin ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant my grandma. She would take me to the movies and let me pick. Didn't matter to her. Just wanted to sit next to me for 90 minutes. Spent her meager social security on a meal for me, to watch me devour it. I didn't realize at the time that while I was OK with spending time with her as a child, it was the highlight of her week.
When I was 17 and didn't see her much anymore, me and my stupid little girlfriend were driving past her retirement home and I asked if she wanted to meet my gram-gram.
Gram-gram didn't know who I was. But she looked so happy having my semi-cute girlfriend paying attention to her.
TerdVader ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:46:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. When I was a kid my gram tried teaching me piano, but I was 11 and didn't care much and didn't get very far. She went into the nursing home around the time my first son was born 13 years later. I relearned piano and on Fridays I'd take my toddler to the home to be with the elderly in their community room while I played piano for the residents. Gram didn't always know that we were there for her, but she sure lit up hearing the songs from the 40s that she knew, because she'd tried teaching me versions of them 15 years before. It was a lot of work. I played for over an hour a day, but I knew it was worth it, because I was creating the memory I knew I'd be left with once gram was gone. When she passed a few years later I used some of my inheritance to buy a piano.
nachog2003 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:50:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck, now I'm crying.
yourhero7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:13:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't emphasize your point enough. As a kid it can seem like a chore to spend time with your grandparents, especially if they're aren't in the best health. But you realize as you get older, and especially after losing them just how special those times were. My grandfather used to drive me to a summer job before I had my license, and while it sure seemed like a lot of needless work on his part it got him out and about and he got to spend time with me. I still miss spending that time with him, even though it's been 11 years now.
Spend time with your grandparents while you can people.
DavidHewlett ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:34:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was in the room when my grandmother, vomiting faeces because her intestines had died off, tried to say farewell to her husband of 60+ years, and he just kinda looked away and asked my mother if he could leave. No recognition of his wife remained whatsoever. She died knowing the man she shared her entire life with, had 3 children with, who took care of her when she started getting ill in her 60's and who shared her grief when they lost their 50 yr old handicapped son to a sudden heart-attack ... didn't even remember who she was.
I was only a spectator to this, and gut-wrenching doesn't even come close to describing the feeling I had. Even 5 years later, it still feels like getting hit by a truck if it crosses my mind in a unguarded moment.
If I were a religious man, I'd pray for you. As it is, I can only hope your suffering (and hers) is as limited as it can be. Take care.
_grounded ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:41:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer and Alzheimer's runs in my family, depends on the branch. My great grandmother died surrounded by family she couldn't recognize (I'm not sure why, probably exhaustion, she'd been fighting it for a while- she didn't even recognize my grandmother, her daughter, who was also fighting anger at the time- my grandmother is mostly better now, thank god.), and my great aunt kept fighting with people because she thought my great grandmother was her sister, and she didn't know anyone else. She behaved similarly at the funeral. It was one of those things where you know it's not their fault, and its gut-wrenching to watch, but people still get angry because they are already upset.
Sad-thoughts ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was born in 1937, immigrated to the US in the late 80's and started a family pretty late in the game. He started showing signs of Alzheimer's when I was 9 and by the time I was 14 he totally forgot who I was. I went to visit him in the hospital, and he forgot how to speak English. He spoke at least 4 different languages fluently (that I know of) and was an Engineer previously.
One day I was feeding him soup, when he said that I was "an attractive young woman and if he was my age-". My aunt (his sister) stopped him before he could finish his sentence and had to reintroduce me to him and informed him that I was his daughter. I was heartbroken.
That was the last time we spoke, because his health deteriorated quickly that summer and the next time I visited he couldn't speak at all. He was catatonic, but he still could blink and cry. I remember that sitting by his bedside talking to him and weeping my damn self. It was the worst... just a really shitty situation. I'm still not over it. Today is the 10 year anniversary of his death. I never talk about it bc I don't think anyone would understand. Alzheimer's sucks so hard. It affects so many people, people you wouldn't even expect.
Nate0110 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:24:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, that's sucks, my grand father is going through this right now. The other day he asked my grandmother when their son, who died in 2010 was coming to visit.
Kimberly199510 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you cope?
MyStrangeUncles ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:05:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You lock yourself in your bathroom and cry. A lot. Because you can't let them see it...
Kimberly199510 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O man...
WonkoTheSane__ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both my grandfathers suffered from dementia. Having them not recognize me or my father was soul crushing. But that wasn't the worst part. The violence was. It's like they got their 20 year old stregnth back. And they were terrified and would hurt anyone who would come near them. It's hard seeing that
AndrewCrimzen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Years after my grandpa died she would ask where he was.... "Oh he's at work at the fire station"...he had been retired for 20-25 years but she was so far gone that that didn't matter
owlplate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:34:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom keeps saying that her parents are coming to get her soon. I'm glad she thinks that - it would be a nice feeling to think your parents are coming to see you.
Decapatron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alzheimer's took my grandfather. The worst part was that almost daily he'd ask how his sister "was doing these days." She's passed away years ago. The look of shock and grief on his face.. Every time... I will never forget it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kingjuicepouch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work with some dementia patients and I feel so bad about how they're blown off by some staff, and I know that I will sound like a complete dick, but sometimes I understand why the cnas get mad when they have to tell a resident when dinner is for the tenth t time in ten minutes. I try to be as patient as I can, but it's hard
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom has Alzheimer's and my family and I went back to take care of her while my dad had surgery last month. It was very difficult. She was very agitated and confused at night. I sang her lullabies to calm her down, with limited success. She kept weeping for her own mother, who had died several years prior.
I also helped her bathe and in the bathroom. It's almost a blessing that she doesn't know who I am anymore because the old her would have been very embarrassed.
nikkiali ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know how much dementia sucks too. I am a MA and caregiver and have taken care of lots of people who had dementia but one lady in particular hit me the hardest.
She wasn't only my client, she was a friend, almost like an adopted Grandma to me. I fell in love with her heart and it was terrible to see her go from really 'forgetful' to an almost empty, dim shell of who she was. It's just heartbreaking. I started with her for 5hrs/day, then 8, then it went to 16hrs/day then to 24/7.
Last Tuesday her family decided to put her in a hospice care home. I felt sad but relieved. Totally bittersweet. But I was able to be with her during her last days at home, assure her that her cat Buddy would be ok and was able to help set her up in her new room.
Love to you and yours. It's a tough diagnosis.
kaktaez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The saddest part is that they die before they actualy do. My grandmother had dementia. She forgot who everyone was. Then she forgot what things were. Then she stops behaving like a human. I watched her go away more and more each day untill she was just living almost emotionless. Just made noises and never talked. I remmember my father playing with her on the wheelchair and she smilling. I doubt she recognised him but it made her laugh and made me so happy. She eventually died years and years after. I miss her every day of my life.
thewomanfrommel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is rough. My grandma just passed away this spring. I don't know what kind of dementia she had but she certainly had it. She could not remember that her husband passed away so she would get so angry at him for not coming home. She would tell her son that she wanted a divorce because my late grandfather was cheating on her and never came home anymore.
I am one to compartmentalize a lot. Rather than spending the end of her life upset that she wasn't the person I knew anymore, I accepted who she had become. However, that grief is inescapable. The night she passed. All the memories of who I knew before her dementia flooded back to me.
TrekkiMonstr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother had Alzheimer's and I couldn't even talk to her for the last years of her life, since she was an immigrant who learned English later in life -- so she forgot English, and could only speak Russian, which my father never taught me. So I have no real memories of my grandmother, except for playing pool one time with my uncle acting as translator.
The_Lone_Noblesse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep I too hate it. I watched someone who I viewed as a grandma and who saw me grow up slip away. A few months before if she saw me anywhere she would approach me and give me a hug and ask how I was doing. When her husband passed last month I went to the memorial service and gave her a hug she did not hug me back. When I pulled away she had this look of terror on her face like if a complete stranger had just hugged her. Her son who I knew had to tell her who I was. I then realized that I had lost two people I cared about that month.
courtoftheair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why nursing homes lie, people. They don't need to relive that fresh grief every day.
Derock85z ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My great grandfather thought my dad and I were going to kill him and kidnap my great grandmother. He cried and started yelling at me to not hurt my grandma, to this day I remember how he looked at me.
That was our last christmas together in 2008. Dementia is awful, sorry you had to witness it OP.
Pillsehh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:32:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck. My grandma is on this path. Seen it happen to my step moms mother, terrible shit. I'd say this is the worst disease.
speshnz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel for you man.
I was lucky i guess, i was one of the last people my Great Grandmother forgot. We were super close and it was a really shit way to go out. The worse bit for me was the bit at the start where she started losing her marbles but was together enough to realise she was actually losing her marbles
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so so sorry
aasteveo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please do not watch Black Mirror - Playtest. It's terrifying, and has to do with this. Not being sarcastic. If you ever get into that show, skip over that episode.
PM_ME_PRODUCING_TIP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather had Alzheimers and I would watch him everyday during his last summer. Every single day I would spend from 8-5 with him so that he wouldn't wander off or hurt himself. I would worry every night when I left him and another family member would take over.
One day, as I was leaving, he asked "who are you?" I said I was his grandson, and he said "oh yeah", but you could tell he wasn't sure.
That broke my heart and was gut wrenching.
I had to remind him everyday that his wife had died, and I saw his heart break everyday at the news.
I know how you feel Troppin, Alzheimers is terrible. But, I am glad that I got to spend that summer with him, best summer of my life.
bestem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was a nanny around the time my mom had Alzheimer's. The kids' mom worked 4 nights a week in a bar, including Saturday, and then Sunday morning. So I'd leave for their house around lunch on Saturday, and wouldn't get back until dinner on Sunday (it was stupid to come home at 3 am only to be back there at 7 am). I still remember the Sunday I came home and walked in, and dinner was just about to start so I pulled out my chair at the table, and my mom said "Who is this?" I just walked outside and cried on the porch because I couldn't handle it.
There were times, both before and after that, when she would refer to me as her friend. They weren't as bad, because at least she knew I was someone in her life. But for her to have no frame of reference for me at all, when she knew everyone else at the table, made me feel like if I hadn't been at the kids' house all weekend, maybe she wouldn't have forgotten me yet.
WubaIubaDubDub_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother passed away from this in 2008. She was diagnosed in 2004. My mother lost our house to hurricanes the same year my grandmother was diagnosed and offered to stay with her during the early years of the disease.
Background: My grandmother married her hometown boyfriend (my grandfather) when she was 18 and remained married for 60+ years before he passed away. Together they had 4 boys and 4 girls (one passed from SIDS).
These were some of the events most notable: - She use to think my uncle was her boyfriend. She once came out in a nighty once and tried to seduce my uncle. He didn't return to her house after that. - The rest of my uncles she didn't remember and was very hostile towards them. It was usually "who's that stranger in my house! Get out or I'll call the police!" - She thought my mother was her mother (no resemblance) and that I was her son. My name changed almost daily and none repeated or were anyone from the family. - She had multiple boyfriends and couldn't recall anything of my grandfather. That hurt my mother because she use to love witnessing how much my grandfather loved her. From what I've been told it's what many of us look for in a relationship. - She use to feed her two cats every 10 minutes. By that I mean she would chop up wet cat food, place it on the ground and walk away. A couple minutes later she would pick up the food and throw it away. Then repeat the process until she was out of cat food. - (my favorite) late in the evening, midnight to 3AM (there's a term for this I can't recall), she would try to leave the house because her boyfriends were outside picking her up for a date. One even tried to pick her up in a boat! We lived about 20miles from a body of water. (I can't recall his name) asked her to celebrate their holy union after a week. We made cupcakes to celebrate. Midway eating a cupcake she became upset and cussed my mother out.
Eventually she became more of a recluse in her room and in her mind. During these stories she was in the early/mid point of the disease. Once she was admitted to a retirement home specifically for those with the disease; she eventually became a breathing body trapped in a chair. Lord only knows what was going through her mind during this process.
This was an eye opening experience. I was fairly close to my grandmother, but after witnessing this I'm not sure if I could go through this with my mother or a closer relative. My condolences to you u/Troppin as I can't imagine going through this process with someone whom I deeply loved and cared for, such as a significant other. Seriously, works can't express.
pedantic_dullard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sitting with my mom right now. She doesn't remember my son's name. He's 5 and thinks she's being funny when he corrects her, but it's tearing me up inside.
She's very, very recently been officially diagnosed with dementia, but we knew it's been there for a dozen years.
Love your parents if they've earned it. Touring memory care homes and talking about their end-of-life care abilities sucks.
Speaking-of-segues ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious question. Have there been studies about how the victims feel through it all? It was terrifying seeing my grandmother go through it but was that because i was lucid enough to be aware of what was happening? Was she just jumping around from one disconnected thought to another apathetically unaware of what was going on?
bestem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if there have been any studies. I know my mom was in an Alzheimer's support group, Every Wednesday morning, until things got bad enough that we put her in a daycare, she and around 30 other people who had Alzheimer's would meet and talk about... I don't even know. I never asked her. These people all had various levels of the disease. But they knew enough that they could talk about it to other people, even if they didn't know who the people who brought them to the meeting and picked them up again were.
mrfatso111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya. It is gut wrenching to see grandma ask dad who is he and thought that he was my dad friend .
She still remember my little brother, at the very least , but it really suck seeing her slowly forget who every one was and wondering why she is in a white room and in bed, unable to move.
10before15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
......................:(
Beasag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:45:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We stopped telling my grandmother that my grandfather had died. Just said he'd come visit 'tomorrow'.
Kliffskie97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn
Kickflip900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man :(
stevenk0fahl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going through this with my grandma currently... such a terrible feeling.
Pandaboats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anon, I can even begin to fathom what that is like. I'm so sorry you have to go through that.
Dishonoreduser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
happy cakeday!
Alaharon123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, happy cake day?
juxtapositi0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched my Papa die from Alzheimers. When I was very little, I remember him loving to play the video poker handheld games. When I was 14 (the year he died), I bought him one and brought it to him at the VA hospital.
He put it up to his face and tried to shave with it.
That was one of the first clear memories I have of understanding how devastating the disease is.
HookersForDahl2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You died?
hockeyjim07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
errrrr happy cake day :'(
nightlyraider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this isn't a lover but your grandmother or something i take it?
brando56894 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother was afflicted with it during the last few years of her life, luckily it wasn't full blown Alzheimer's like some people experience, but just enough to make her forget the words for common things, which was pretty horrible to watch her struggle to speak full sentences. I can't even imagine the pain of having to reintroduce yourself to them every time you see them. I gotta stop because I'm starting to cry at work. Not good.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happy birthday!
iamrangus ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:06:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good timing.
Skingle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:06:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not their birthday it's their cakeday
severalsmallweasles ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:10:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the worst part. My granny is losing her memory and it honestly doesn't bother me when she asks the same question 10 times or loses her cane again, what bothers me is when she realizes she doesn't know something she used to.
The confusion on her face and frustration in her voice guts me.
Hell_or_High_Waters ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:50:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if it's best for them to know that they are diagnosed. I've noticed it causes a depression in the person living with the disease.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:54:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is best for them to be personally aware of the disease and such, however my main point was that it's hard to see them struggle with themselves, *knowing what the disease is doing to them. We can only love and support them through it best we can I guess.
Hell_or_High_Waters ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:01:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's is I'm new seeing it with my grandmother. And it seemed as soon as she was diagnosed she just kinda has this, oh we'll just waiting to go kinda attitude. Just seems so sad. Almost given up attitude. She watched her father fade the same way. I try to make jokes and lighten the situation. Shes worried shell take off Wonder from the house, so I tell just tell her I'll join her and we'll go for a stroll till we want to go back. Not there yet. I go by a few times a week to be company and help out with my grandfather who's seems to be trying his hardest to hold it together and quite honestly don't know what to expect. But it's sad to see how quick the glow goes
Whateversclever7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:21:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the months before my great aunt passed away she stopped recognizing her twin sister. It was heartbreaking for my grandmother (her twin).
PurpleLee ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my grandmother. She knows something is wrong, but she doesn't know how to fix it. We try to calm her fears, it doesn't work cause she knows this isn't normal.
JPTawok ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worst are the sudden moments of clarity, when they're like
"You know, this sucks. I know you're losing me. Just know I'll always love you and I can't help it"
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:33:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly. To quote my great aunt, "I suppose I can't recall much of anything anymore" followed by a sigh. It's so sad.
applesauceyes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALS does you the same only physically. It's fucked. I don't wanna get into the details but add that to our need to cure list.
Zerowantuthri ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:09:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom was in denial as she slipped away but now that she has mostly diminished mentally I do not think she has a clue anything is wrong with her. She seems to have a vague sense of disquiet, that something is not quite right, but she cannot figure it out (she rarely knows what city she is in anymore).
I count it as a blessing that she seems to be unaware of what she has lost. Perhaps it may be different for others.
It is those around her who can see how diminished she is that it is really hard on.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:35:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a few months ago my grandma said to me "I'm losing my mind." Just straight up. I didn't even know what to say.
Now she's asking the same thing every few minutes and last time I visited she asked me why I hadn't brought my "friend" (husband) along. I wonder how long it will be until I walk in and she asks who I am.
akerson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much this. I remember when my grandfather told me that he felt his mind slipping away and how it terrified him. He barely can hold a conversation now. It terrifies me now.
mattsams ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my aunts died from alzheimers probably 20 years ago now. I was too young to really understand at the time, but I still remember the last time they had a birthday party for her. Whole family was there, and she couldn't remember who anyone was. Brothers, nieces, nephews, you name it. She started crying from the fact she couldn't remember any of us, and the party ended up being called pretty early.
foo_foo_the_snoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would imagine it would be worse not knowing and being confused by their behavior.
Ilurkindadark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:06:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad has been suffering from cancer for the last 5 years..He battled this like a fucking champ. Through all the multiple chemo, operation and treatment. Even if I don't want to believe it he's losing the battle. He's getting so thin and it's getting harder everyday for him. But he's holding on to see my sister and me get our bachelor at least. Only one year left and I'll have it. I'm so proud of him for holding on fot so long and so proudly. On top of that my sister and me both studies in different city far away from our mom and him. He's slowly dying and I can't even be here for him during all of this. Life suck so much, sometimes it can get so lonely. I can just hope I'll be happy again someday. Pretty sure this will get drown in the see of comments but I just wanted to say I get you man. It hurt so much to see someone you love suffer for so long. Also I never wrote to anybody like that so thanks for taking time to read whoever you are.
Nell_Trent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be worse if they didn't know about the affliction? Not trolling, serious question.
bestem ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:37:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom threw straight up temper tantrums before she was diagnosed. She knew things weren't clicking right in her head, and she couldn't vocalize the problem, and it was frustrating, and just like a toddler, she reacted in the only way she could at the time.
Once she was diagnosed, those all stopped. There was a reason for it now. Things didn't always click right in her head, but she could point to a reason why they weren't.
oldneckbeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:44:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
don't forget the massive emotional and physical toll it takes on their caregivers, if they are family or friends.
Mystery266 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's similar with the brain cancer my dad has. Forgets names, gets angry easier. He knows he's different but he can't do anything about it. The treatment and the effects of the tumor changed his personality and memory. Makes me cry.
BallisticBurrito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:20:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When my paternal grandfather got alzheimers after having his pacemaker battery replaced and was sent to a retirement home I never visited him. I loved the guy to bits but I just didn't want to tarnish my memory of the fun farmer with the heavy southern accent.
Ujustgotjamed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worst moment during my grandfathers final days is when we moved him into a newer, better, nursing home. We told him it was his new home and Nan was in the other room.
He asked us, "Will i be here for life"
Some days he was really in it and new what was happening, others he completely forgot everything.
rogalporn ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:07:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work as a Nurse on a floor that specializes in Alzheimers, Dementia and over all geriatric cognitive decline. In no way do I envy the people I take care of or their families. It's is so frightening and I tell my daughters the second I bring home more milk than required in a week set me free into the woods and never look back. I sincerely hope the right to die legislation in Canada hurries it's ass a long because a large portion of the people I take care of do not want to be alive and unfortunately are no longer even allowed to make that choice should they opt for it.
njeXshn ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:16:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm currently going through this with my mother. Just recently had her diagnosed. It's completely flipped both our lives upside down, and it's not even in the worst stages.
She still knows who I am and remembers names. But her short term memory is fucked. I have to have the same conversation with her multiple times a day.
I have no idea what to do when this gets unmanageable.
Fuck this goddamn disease.
Hellknightx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:18:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother, in her final stages, regressed to her childhood self, and thought that I was her brother Jack. Her brother was a RAF pilot who died during WW2. She couldn't remember who her own children were by that point.
It's devastating watching it undo everything that makes a person who they are.
TheHeroicOnion ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People with Alzheimers die before they actually die.
jodkalemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. My Grandma is not dead, but I miss her already. I visit her near-daily.
sahsimon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:04:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work with them too. It sucks for family, and workers too. Hard to try to get someone to calm.and relax when they dont know you, where they are or why they are there.
mimeticpeptide ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:02:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a PhD student trying to find Alzheimer's treatments right now, and I also watched my grandpa succumb to the disease. Being a caregiver, or even just seein a family member suffer like that can be very hard. There are a lot of great resources at the Alzheimer's Association, and you can also donate to research if you're so inclined!
http://www.alz.org/apps/we_can_help/support_groups.asp
froboy456 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:07:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lost my grandmother to it! It was hard for my family.
The_Green_Phantom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:08:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALS is definitely up there. It's like they watch themselves lose all of their functions to the point that they don't even know who they are anymore
ghastrimsen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather has been getting worse very slowly over the past 7-10 years, but in the past month he's forgotten who my sister was, woke up next to his wife of 25 years forgetting they were married and being very uncomfortable being in bed with her, and just in general seems to have begun declining very quickly. I'm so grateful we had as long as we did since finding out, but man this last month has been hard on me.
StarFizzle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not trying to be negative, simply curious. Why not put them down if they are basically being overwritten by a disease that gets worse as time passes? I'm sure their medical costs at their age are more expensive than the procedure, and both parties won't have to suffer. Death will come one way or another.
rhialto ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people have this thing called hope.
Spockthevulcan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This girl I know pretty much has an assured chance of developing Alzheimer's. She writes a memory she loved to have with her boyfriend everyday so she always has them, even when she forgets.
veeeSix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you. My girlfriend's grandpa has it. His wife was in a six month long coma and finally they let her go maybe a month ago. The old man doesn't ask where grandma is very often, but when he does he asks when she's coming back.
It's pretty sad that he doesn't remember even after you explain it to him.
justaguyulove ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea. My grandma died 4 days ago and she had it. At least my mom could be there with her and it was something we all expected.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's painful to see with my grandma. She can't remember what she did yesterday, but she recognized me and my family every time we see her, and if you whip out some old photos from the 80's she recognizes every single person. It really is a weird thing.
Ryase_Sand ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I work in therapy and seeing people with early onset dementia is heartbreaking. I recently had a guy in his early 50s who was already in a bad way. Could barely communicate, couldn't safely walk, relied on his wife for everything and basically followed her around the house all day. I don't think most people realize just how bad it gets.
ldhenderson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather had alzheimers for 6 years, before he passed yesterday of pneumonia, my grandmother took full care of him and worked so hard to keep him out of a nursing home so we could keep our beautiful cottage, their home forever. He became unresponsive on the second night in the hospital, when my whole (small, close) family was around his bed, my grandma told him it was okay to leave now and a second later he took his last breath. Hard working man, will never forget him. rip frank
I_Faced_The_Wind ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To the person it pretty much is the same as dreaming while awake, you forget most of them and only remember the ones you either woke up during or were really stand out.
DeerSpotter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont understand why nobody has tried adderall for Alzheimer's?
This is a drug that lets your brain work in a much faster way?
Thin-White-Duke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's nowhere near the same as watching a person, but I think my cat has dementia. :'(
PotatoPotential ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet some people would rather have it than be close to people that have it.
KarkatTheVantas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My da recently passed away because of Alzheimer's and there was a brief period before he was bedridden where he was terrified of me and my sister because he didn't know who we were. Absolutely one of the worst things to happen to someone. And it always progresses so quickly.
Mr_Globz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh seeing your dad die from cancer in just a couple of weeks is just as sad. Watching someone you love say "im not ready to go to the hospice yet" is one of the hardest things to ever hear.
MacinTez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't read this. My mother has dementia and I can't think about her without tearing up.
assignment2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain cancer is the same effect over a much shorter period. It is in my opinion the most pure evil you will witness on this planet.
ImOxidated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer and Alzheimer's need to go. Watching the human body/brain decay like that isn't something anyone should witness.
KarkatTheVantas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately the problem is they're just too complex for a single cure to work all the time. Darn you complex biology!!!!
Tymerc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It happened to my dad's mom. He always tells me about how great of a mother she was along with many other things and all I can think about is how devastating it had to be to basically be forgotten by someone you loved and respected throughout your life.
vicildrax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Als is similar
Flylite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was obsessed with ww2 Nazi movies after he was diagnosed. He watched the same movie 4 times in a row, non stop. My mom walked in and said, "This must be a really good movie." He responded with, "I've never seen this movie before." It's horrifying to see that, and only getting worse and worse from there.
zAndAllThatJazzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel any better the only time I ever saw my grandmother happy was when she thought it was fifty years ago and her husband was still alive
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom saw her own mother succumb to Alzheimer's and she has flatly told us to kill her if she ever gets it
dfinkelstein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's fairly indistinguishable from the plot to a horror movie, isn't it?
avocadoblain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is one of the most intelligent, sharpest people I've ever known (he's 59). Every time I've seen him this past year, he's had these major memory lapses in conversation, and I'm so afraid it's early stages of Alzheimers. I think my heart will break if I have to see him go through that.
BootyWitch- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even someone who isn't really a 'loved one', seeing that is really sad.
My step grandmother (my grandpa remarried after my grandmother died - before I was born) on my mother's side died a few years after her condition deteriorated due to Alzheimer's.
I never really knew her well - we lived on the other side of the country, and then overseas for most of my life - and so I didn't particularly feel any connection to her.
But I still remember visiting her and my grandpa, and watching as she pointed at the clock on the wall and said 'it's time to go home now', and went towards the door.
My grandpa had to gently guide her and try to explain, without scaring her, this is your home. This is where you live, with me, your husband.
My mum, dad, and brother kind of just awkwardly sat there not knowing what we could, or should, say or do.
Damn, he loved her so much.
My mum and her sisters and brother eventually convinced him that he needed to find a nursing home to take her.
They were both still living in the house my mum and her siblings grew up in, where my grandma died.
He was taking care of both of them, and getting help from a nurse who visited often, but it was getting too much.
He's still living there by himself now though, at 90 years old. Just him and his garden and his dogs.
doohicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I get Alzheimers, I'm going out like Sandra Bem.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's alright. we're all just a bunch of molecules.
yousaydumbthings ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah if one of my family members has Alzheimers I'm just going to cut off contact with them I don't want to see that
Chupachabra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing they are fine, not like watching your family member being eaten by cancer and die in pain without dignity
big_swinging_dicks ยท 2455 points ยท Posted at 14:43:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is, subjectively to me, one of the most horrifying ways to go. You stop being who you are long before you die. My nan recently passed away and had it in her final years. She would shout at us, cry, claim we were abusing her, claim nurses were hurting her, forget who we were, ask where her husband (11 years deceased) was or say he had been visiting her earlier, and frequently ask to be killed. This in between occasional moments of lucidity where she would be so happy we were visiting her and thankful for our presence. It gets to the point where you think 'better off dead' as terrible as it is.
So yes, this is what I want from this thread.
MILLIGEN ยท 214 points ยท Posted at 15:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, this hits hard. I'm slowly witnessing my Dad's mom go through this and what hurts me the most is seeing my Dad struggle with how to deal with her and trying to do whats best for her all while still working for us (our family).
big_swinging_dicks ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:21:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck and I wish your family the best. Try as much as possible to remember and be grateful for the person they were before, not the person they become.
MILLIGEN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate that!
chasingandbelieving ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we the same person? My dad's mom has Alzheimer's too and it's so hard on my dad to take necessary steps to provide her with care and provide for our family at the same time. My grandmother has been given less than half a year to live and, as terrible as this is, I sometimes find myself wishing that she would die sooner to put her (and my dad) out of this misery. I know she wouldn't want to live like this.
Yrusul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear ya. Same here, my father's mom also had Alzeihmer (among other nasties that come with old age).
She was somewhat lucid most of the time, but other times she could'nt remember any of the persons she used to know. I spent very little time with her before she passed away, but my father would often visit her and he'd tell me how both awkward and helpless he'd feel around her, not sure how to react to how she was behaving.
One time, out of nowhere, she called my dad. He thought maybe there was something wrong with her and that the caretakers called him to warn him (since she'd almost never call anyone, usually).
Turns out she wanted to "remind him not to forget his tennis lesson". The last time my father had tennis lessons, he was 14. But somehow, she forgot that her son was over 50 now. I don't think I ever saw my father getting so sad from just a phone call.
AllNaturalSteak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My family is going through the same thing. My grandma had issues before, but her dementia has made caring for her so much harder. I hope you and your family are able to help her and still keep a quality life for yourselves.
cabinet111 ยท 3675 points ยท Posted at 15:40:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why, as a memory care nurse, I try my hardest to make sure my residents are smiling and happy. I don't care how ridiculous I look as I dance my way down the hallway to meet my residents or put on some silly outfit. If I can turn their frown or tears into a smile and laugh then my job is worthwhile. I have one resident who can no longer talk, but her smile is communication enough to let me know she is enjoying her new life. However, my residents aren't the only ones I look after. Their families are just as important so I try to be there for their support as well. I love my job (most days)!
Edit: Thanks so much for the kind words and the gold! Everyone deserves to be happy and live their best life. I am simply doing something I love by helping people reach that goal. If you want to help with Alzheimers research, dont be afraid to get out there and support some local organizations. We also LOVE volunteers on memory care units and donated items!
AcidRose27 ยท 360 points ยท Posted at 16:25:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for what you do. My gramma has dementia and while she's not violent, she is very hard to care for. I couldn't do this on a large scale. You're good people.
Edril ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 16:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are an angel and deserve all the thanks in the world for what you do.
hannahfoerster ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow you are an absolute angel. I needed to read this. Thank you for everything that you do to bring happiness to those who need it!
Acrolith ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:30:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you deal with the people in your charge passing away (I assume this happens fairly regularly)? I've never understood how nurses can handle making human connections and losing them, over and over. I have the greatest respect for those capable of doing this, because I don't think I could deal with it.
bunniesslaughtered ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 17:28:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP, but I'm a severe memory care CNA who sees her residents all the way through hospice to end of life. It isn't exactly easy, but the connection you make with your patients and residents is different than the ones you have in your outside life. If you want to stay in the field, you tend to be good at or get good at checking things at the door. I've had many patients pass away with whom I worked for several years. I poured my heart into making them happy, would sit there for four hours singing to someone to calm them down until the sun came up because they were afraid of the dark outside, hear they passed, and do nothing more than sign off on the paperwork and prep the room for the next person.
I don't mean for this to sound callous. I loved those residents. I was with them for 50-60 hours a week for months or even years. I knew their ups and downs, I could make them smile and laugh when their own children couldn't, and I endured my fair share of screaming and biting and hitting because sometimes it just happens.
People die. There is no way around it. Some people die in a lot of pain, alone and without knowing what's going on. Some are as comfortable as possible and surrounded by people they love and trust. All you can do is try to make sure your patients are in the second category. If you want to work in hospice, you need to be able to show compassion but cap your empathy. It sounds horrible, but it's how you keep good caregivers from burning out.
emergencycat17 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:09:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's completely reasonable. My mom wasn't a hospice worker, but she was a nurse (retired now), and she worked various types of nursing over the course of her career. Her last job before she retired was in a nursing home, and she said much the same thing. She'd have alzheimer's patients who were former Sunday school or kindergarten teachers, who never swore a day in their lives, suddenly screaming profanities at her and calling her a whore. And their children and family members would be completely horrified, immediately apologizing for what had just taken place. And mom would just let it roll off her back and assure them that it was fine, that this happens all the time, that it's the disease, it's not their loved one. It was the best she could do to reassure them.
Sky_Muffins ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:09:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing them suffer makes it much easier to let them go when they die. We know life wasn't any fun for them anymore. I feel selfish crying for my favorite patients passing.
GetYerThumOutMeArse ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:40:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered this as well. I wanted to be a hospice nurse at one point, but knew it would be emotionally excruciating.
cabinet111 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:08:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just knowing that I made sure they passed away peacefully. I love that I have the time to hold their hand, tell them about the day, let them know they are loved. I pau close attention to their hygiene as well..making sure they are groomed and cleaned. It is always hard but I try to remember that they are now at peace and no longer silently suffering.
sevensimons ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:55:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are a gift to the earth.
xKortney ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:41:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fellow nurse here: you're doing it right. And I'm loving you for it! We need more of you in our field. Keep on shining ๐๐ซ
cabinet111 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:19:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wooo nurses! hehe
big_swinging_dicks ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:35:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great to hear, I mentioned elsewhere her nurses were amazing people. I have no idea how they did it or how you can but have nothing but respect.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:28:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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cabinet111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:22:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nursing and patient care is now a holistic approach meaning you take care of the person as a whole. The reason why our residents thrive is because we take care of their emotional needs. I am so saddened to hear that your girlfriend's facility does not value the importance of emotional support. I would tell her to keep doing what she is doing. I would never work for a place that doesn't appreciate emotional well-being. I hope she continues the fight and I know for a fact the patients ans families appreciate it!
TomioHoshino ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:30:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are a saint. My 91 year old Grandma suffers with dementia and my folks and I have her in our care at home. I can honestly say that I could not be a nurse and/or a caregiver whatsoever. It is a heartbreaking job to take care of a loved one who is losing their memory and becoming a shell of their former selves.
Folks like you deserve a lot of credit to work like that, day in and day out. Thank you.
tjwharry ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:26:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a touring stand up comic, and for years I've been trying to find an assisted living center let me perform for Alzheimer's patients. Getting good at stand up and working out bits takes a lot of repetition, and it seems to me that entertaining people who need to be entertained and who won't tire of material being told over and over again is a win-win for both parties.
cabinet111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Awesome and such a lovely idea!
LarryLavekio ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like patch adams, but with old people. Youre amazing.
j-Trane ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:05:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me, those families appreciate it more than they could ever express. The only thing that made watching my grandma go through this bearable was the wonderful team of people that I knew were taking care of her when we were not there. That were giving up their weekends and holidays to make my grandma smile.
ragamufin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:14:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't know how you do what you do day in and day out, but thank you.
rensfriend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for what you do. My mom is in a nursing home right now, I've had to manage everything long distance, and they've been absolutely great in helping me get a team together to help my mom. The work you do is amazing. You guys and teachers don't get paid enough.
LadyBirdBoyette ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment made me sob. My grandmother passed away in 2005 after 10+ years of Alzheimer's stealing her away. I would've done anything to have a nurse like you care for her. I don't have adequate words to express my thankfulness for what you do. I hope that you get every beautiful thing in this life that you deserve. Thank you.
cabinet111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am so unbelievabley sorry for the loss of your grandmother. Many people don't realize that you are losong your loves one well before they actually pass. Once the disease takes over, it is a struggle for family to grieve while also needing to be there for their loved one. My condolences go out to you and your family and may your grandmother now rest in peice.
LadyBirdBoyette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, most people have no idea. And That is an absolutely perfect way to put it. Thank you so much for your kind words.
anitabelle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you don't get sick of people responding to this by thanking you and telling you that you are a good person for this. Because this is amazing and you deserve praise for this.
cabinet111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
awww thank you!
ravia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people will cry. It is helpful to tell them that it is good to have the ability to cry, and that that is a good thing. I told that to some residents who responded well to it (when they cried).
linka32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's really nice and refreshing to read!!! I hope to have a nurse or CNA like you when I get to that point. Don't get burned out!! You rock!!
cabinet111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well damn, thank you for the kind words!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are patients allowed to have their own computer or tablet?
I'm dreading getting old and having to sit in some old folks home, watching Fox news or similar. I'm a gamer and I can't fathom not being able to use my PC.
cabinet111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:50:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely! Our facility allows any personal items including their own TVs, stereoes, headphones and ipods. No reason gaming cant be allowed. We don't currently have any gamers but we have a harmonica player! We let the resident play their harmonica whenever they want, it is actually a great tool to help them lessen their anxiety they may be having at any given time.
Diamond1998 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would one go about volunteering for a memory care unit? Also, what kind of donated items help?
cabinet111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:46:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can contact any skilled assisted living facility near you to offer volunteer work. Some may require training, but not all. Donated items such as dolls, doll clothes and accessories, gawdy type jewlery, clean dish towels and washcloths( things residents can fold), coffee table type books with a lot of pictures, cds with oldies music (music elderly would recognize), arrs and crafts supplies such as markers and paints, books, magazines. The list is endless!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not even religious but literally bless you.
Glasgow34 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a diamond of a person don't ever forget it
Pleased_to_meet_u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you.
_alba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thank you so much :) the world needs more people like you!
taoshka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you โค. Just lost my grandfather who had Alzheimer's and outs so comforting to know there are people who really care. You're good people.
waffleburner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and they told me angels werent real. guess they were wrong.
tRussianPlayer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you
nikkileee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandmother suffers from dementia, and it has kicked my ass to go back to school to become a personal support worker, and I'm also interested in the certificate for dementia/alzheimers care. My grandmother is my best friend, always has been always will be, and although I try my best to stay positive it is heart wrenching to see her back to almost like a child state. I want to be exactly what you described you are. If I can bring joy into the moments of loneliness and confusion, then that's what I need to do.
Random_Elephant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found Patch Adams.
Tacosareneat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to volunteer in a memory care place and agree 100%. There's some beautiful moments that happen there.
maronnax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your work. My Grandmother is currently in a Memory-Care unit in an assisted living facility. Obviously being 99 with memory problems isn't fun, but the staff at that place have reserves of grace and care that I can't even imagine and I really really appreciate that they are there to help take care of my Grandmother. I try to thank them but it's hard to convey how much I appreciate it. Thank you too.
zachariah22791 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can I find a memory-care unit near me? I don't know how to look for one, but I'd love to volunteer.
cabinet111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:52:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just google skilled nursing homes for the area you live in ,and most have info on whether they have a memory care or not on their site itself!
zachariah22791 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
emergencycat17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so much for what you do. My sister's godmother died from Alzheimer's. She was married to my mom's cousin, so she was part of our family since before any of us kids were even a twinkle in our parents' eyes. When I was 47 (going back about six years), she was visiting us, and after a short bit of greeting everyone, she looked at me and said, "Now, how do I know you? Did I teach you out at the high school?" I didn't even know what to say, I was stunned - she'd known me since I was born. About three months later, my sister went to another family gathering, and by this time, she didn't recognize my sister at all - her own goddaughter. It broke our hearts, and she passed away a few years after that.
Thank you again for what you do.
omegakill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you. You wonderful human being.
Rexzmom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God bless you and your loving heart!
cosmictransit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I can give you gold. Continue to make people happy. We need more people like you. You have a great day ahead nurse!
Gamerhead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good God, your deserve more than what this world is capable of giving you.
Skitskatskoodledoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're such a good person. The littlest things bring them joy.
We were visiting my husband's grandma in a memory care facility and I had my 2 year old with me. We went to the cafeteria and said hi to so many people who were so excited to see him and talk to him. We would walk out, make a lap around the building, and go back in. Every time, nobody remembered him, and everybody was so excited again.
It felt nice to cheer them up, and was a great way for my son to work on social skills like greetings and goodbyes with people he soon felt familiar with.
clockworkred360 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a Nurse Aide not enough nurses do this! Keep up the good work!
Hi_Snoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you so so much. When my grandma was in hospice with dementia caused by the pain she was in from late stage cancer, I realized what true heroes nurses are. You sound like you truly go above and beyond.
chelsea_fitzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. God bless you. You are a true hero. That is amazing.
sinkorswim882 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm currently studying to go into geriatric physical therapy, and one thing that always strikes me is the utterly understaffed SNF's. You are a fucking angel. Thank you for what you do.
cabinet111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, we are typically running short on nurses and CNAs the days I work, and most facilities are the same unfortunately. Thank you for the appreciation :)
Foreveran00b ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of program/degree do you have to earn in order to be a memory care nurse?
cabinet111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LPN or RN(Associates degree or higher)
indigoyoshi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:06:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless you and everyone else doing the same! It was so difficult caring for my grandmother and now my mother. We've had lots of home care nurses and CNAs and the ones with smiles and genuine compassion really meant a lot to all of us.
DELTAYAWN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:38:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are an angel. I am taking your words to heart and will try to help my mom find joy even as she dissolves into Alzheimer's. It's already been three years and I miss who my mom was each and every day even though she is right here with me.
kyunsquared ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:40:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for doing this. My grandmother is currently in a nursing home because her dementia became too much for me, her caretaker, to handle. You're the kind of nurse that makes her - and my - day because I know she's being well taken care of. Thank you for everything you do.
Texas_Rangers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:35 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God bless you
[deleted] ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:09:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did my clinicals in a dementia and alzheimers ward, and it was too difficult to be around. I never put on another pair of scrubs again.
big_swinging_dicks ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:14:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly the NHS nurses who cared for her were simply incredible. She was very difficult to deal with and they just did so much to make her comfortable. I could never imagine doing that. Several of them even attended the funeral.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It takes a very special kind of person to do that work, one I couldn't be.
BobNelsonAmerica1939 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:43:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way to be a quitter, bub.
Palinhe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is indeed one of the worst ways to go, you lose your identity, who you are, and that's terrifying.
My granddad very recently past away and he suffered from Alzheimer and stage 3 cancer.
The past year and a half were the hardest, he completely forgot who i was ( grandchild) and I couldn't explain i was his grandson because he couldn't even remember my mum. I remember having him crying on my shoulder one time when he was aware of it all, it completely broke my heart...
He was and is the person that i most respected in this world, and watching him slowly turn to nothing, it's something that I won't wish anyone to see a love one go through.
seanakachuck ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:28:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds exactly like my my nana before she passed, I was the only one she liked seeing, because she thought i was her husband. I look exactly like my grandfather I never met, so she would light up and call me Jerry (my name is sean) and be so happy. I was torn, on one hand I loved that I could give her some happiness, but on the other It killed me that she didn't remember I was her grandson and had no memories of me.
frogboxed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:42:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked at a nursing home, spent alott of time in the dementia and alzheimers level. It was eye opening(16 at the time). There was one lady who would wait by the phone every day and she would always say that her mother was going to call her any moment(she was 85). It was heart wrenching. Then another lady would walk around the dining area passing out turds she pulled from her pants. It was not something id want to go through again
Sepelrastas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My aunt has dementia/alzheimer's (not sure which is the official diagnosis atm). At the early stages she thought I'm her granddaughter. Now she no longer remembers her children or the fact she was married for over 50 years.
She constantly talks of her mother (60 years dead) as if she's still alive. She doesn't remember she sold her childhood home, but always wants to go there.
My mother visits her every other day, and seeing her sister forget her whole life breaks her heart. My uncle refused the memory problems until his death. It's a cruel twist of fate his passing made her condition immediately worse. Now, when visiting his grave my aunt doesn't even know his name, much less they were married.
Losing my own identity like that has become my worst fear. I do not fear dying at all, but losing my memory terrifies me.
Brosama220 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At age 65 my grandmother bought a bottle of sleeping pills in case she ever got alzheimer's. Luckily she passed away in peace while petting her cat just 2 months ago, at the grand age of 90.
Surroundedbygoalies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes me almost physically ill - not because I'm judging her for doing so, but because my heart breaks for her ๐ข
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandma has alzheimer for about 2 or 3 years, and the disease progressed really fast, it's very very very heartbreaking, she can't remember almost anyone except my mom. And last week we discovered she has cancer on her uterus so some people of my family are relieved she will die soon because at least she will be resting and in peace.
TwizzleV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for Nan. RIP
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Grandma is in her 90s and physically as healthy as can be expected but mentally she's been gone for years. We visited when my wife and I had our first child and my grandma needed some prompting, but she sort of had a vague idea that this was a newborn in her family. She held her for a bit and (I hope) got a little joy from it. Our 2nd was born 4 weeks ago and my parents (who visit her every other week) said my grandma doesn't recognize or even remember any of her own kids or really much of anything anymore. It hurts quite a bit not to be able to convey to my grandma that she's got another great-grandchild.
Surroundedbygoalies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm watching my mom die before she dies. It's horrible. And she's only 67, so now it's got me thinking about early retirement because my job is mentally taxing and I suspect I'll be a bigger burden than help at work long before 65 ๐
Neuchacho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems horrifying for everyone else, but I don't know that the person experiencing it really knows what's going on 99% of the time. The bouts of lucidity are probably painful, but once they phase out of that it's not like it keeps bothering them.
natophonic2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever have that few seconds of confusion and disorientation after waking up in an unfamiliar place, say a hotel room? Imagine that having that feeling continuously for the better part of your day. Different people with ALZ react differently, some with apathy and disinterest, some with intense fear and paranoia.
Loser_pushing_30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My great grandmother just passed, she was 95, and she had it. Didn't recognize me at all. I was 24 when she passed and had been in her life quite frequently. It was sad that I couldn't be part of her life that last year, she was such a lovely person, never missed a birthday. I knew she was getting out of touch a few years before because when I was 22 she gave me a Tonka truck for my birthday. That was the last birthday she ever remembered... I miss her so much, we used to go bowling all the time and even at the age of 88 she was kicking my ass. We would go to the senior center and dance, oh how she just loved to dance. I almost wish she passed quickly and not dragged through her final years not knowing who any of us were.
twiforlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of my fondest memories from my child hood (I'm 19- so I was 7) was visiting my great grandmother in her nursing home.
She used to live in our 2 family home, my father bought our house just for her so she could be close to us and we could take care of her but she would spend all hours of the day yelling at us and cursing. At one point it became too much and we sent her off to the nursing home.
We visited her and she never remembered any of us but my father. (Her grandson). She would talk about her husband visiting her and how much she missed him even though he had been dead for ~20 years.
Almost 13 years later and I still miss you.
TheNormal1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good post, but don't think for one minute I didn't have a good laugh looking at your username.
Sandslinger_Eve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work with elderly, I remember one of my colleagues that was in work placement training same time as me telling me that as he was brought into his first dementia ward his boss called out loudly
"Welcome to the gaping maw of hell"
TakeOutTacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so horrible. My dad aunt and uncle are both in the same nursing home on the same wing and they don't even recognize each other after being married for 40+ years. That's about as sad as it gets for me.
His grandmother had it too and she used to throw out the mail thinking it was for someone else, get lost walking to the corner. What the hell kind of existence is that.
All the physical pain I can imagine doesn't scare me as much as having my brain deteriorate
i_need_eggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is where I think people should be able to make plans to "die with dignity". My grandmother suffered from dementia but she wasn't scared or sad. She was just a little confused. But if someone is suffering and scared, they should be able to choose to go when they are lucid and surrounded by loved ones. A cure would be a much better solution but for now, this would be a nice step for families and patients.
petternor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't have a lot of experience with Alzheimer's, but a family friend passed away from ALS a few years back. From what I know that is an equally horrifying way to go. She had arranged for her passing in advance, and there was even a speech written by herself in her own memorial. Devastating.
PoopIsYum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, it sounds like you had to go through a lot, /u/big_swinging_dicks
FlyingPiranha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alzheimer's and ALS are my two no-no diagnosises. As in, if I'm ever diagnosed with them, I'm taking a few weeks to sort my stuff out and then ending my life on my own terms while I still can. Absolutely evil diseases.
royrogerer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This really makes me think about what memory means to people. A moment passes but memory is something that stays with us for as long as people remember. We meet our friends and most of the time we either remake new memories or reminisce about the good old days. All of our actions are based on our past memories.
This is why it is so sad to see it wither away from somebody, because we see what we know as a human being fall apart.
I am now drunk and having talked about what happiness means to a person tonight, this really makes me think about what we, as human beings are made of. Sorry if I am being insensitive.
Foxman49 ยท 474 points ยท Posted at 14:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even an effective treatment would be a significant milestone
abutthole ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 16:05:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is a very high ranking executive at a major pharmaceutical corporation and has given me the inside scoop on this. Alzheimer's treatments are being worked on VIGOROUSLY right now, as is diabetes. They know that whichever company comes out with a sufficient Alzheimer's treatment is going to make so much money so quite a few companies are essentially racing to get one invented.
freepopper ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true. I'm an engineer in the industry and we stopped investigating a potential treatment recently based on clinical trial results. That molecule was in development for over a decade. I only was working with the medical device portion for 6 months or so, but I can only imagine the disappointment from the hundreds of folks working on the molecule for years. I know that tears were shed when we found out the CT results.
Tacosareneat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you give more info? Were there terrible side effects?
ShirtedRhino ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:13:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might not be exactly what /u/freepopper was talking about, but one of the major problems with curing/treating Alzheimer's is we don't actually know what causes it. We know certain things are involved in some way though. There's a protein involved called amyloid-beta (Aฮฒ), which forms aggregates, and these aggregates can form deposits on the brain, known as plaques. Several big pharma companies developed "plaque-buster" drugs, however, clinical trials for these drugs had to be terminated early due to negative patient outcomes.
Some details in this link
Nvrnight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:54:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to floss my brain.
freepopper ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically the molecule didn't meet its primary endpoint of the trial. ELi5: Before a trial begins you get a lot of people in a room and decide "ok so why defines success of this trial" and they create a goal for that specific trial (based on a lot of technical and scientific expertise, not just the marketing team). Although the drug likely helped many people, you can't market it to the masses if only a small percentage found it effective. The regulatory bodies wouldn't allow that - you need to prove its effective. There is a potential to study why it worked for that subset of people, but the cost/benefit ratio was apparently not high enough. In other words, the costs of looking into that further are trumped by another molecule's potential to help more people.
demostravius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a drug that had great promise breaking down beta amyloid plaque, however in clinical testing in humans it caused inflammation of the meninges and a few people died. Not sure if that is the one he is talking about.
Tacosareneat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:38 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What was the drug? Just curious
demostravius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:58 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I couldn't remember off the top of my head. It was mentioned in a book called Ending Ageing, it was discussing how Alzheimer's is one of the long term degenerative diseases we have to tackle if we want to end ageing.
Tacosareneat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, also the NIH funds Alzheimers research at a substantially higher payline (meaning grants that don't score as well also get funded) compared to other projects. Hopefully in this century some highly effective treatments are developed.
abutthole ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Really all of the "old person diseases" that people are getting at higher rates as we live longer are sort of the next barrier to be broken by medicine.
EmeraldFlight ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 17:18:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah? My dad works at Nintendo
... I don't have a dad
FacilitateEcstasy ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:46:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in Alzheimer's research and it seems that early detection is the main focus rather than a cure. Early intervention is the best course of action for such a complex disorder.
badassmum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:22:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Currently doing my masters on exactly this.
MrDeckard ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:40:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I'd settle for earlier detection. I want to KNOW I'm fucked before I eat a bullet. Don't want to get spooked and just do it because I'm stressed and shit's slipping my mind.
bestem ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:53:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom had early-onset Alzheimer's (she was diagnosed before she turned 50), which they believe has a larger genetic component than other forms.
Every time I forget something I think I should know, I worry a little. I was at work one day, and completely blanked on the password I had used to log in to everything I needed in the store for the previous 7 years. Before working for the company, I had used the same password for 7 years before that, in an online game. This is a password I had been using dozens of times a day for a decade and a half, and I couldn't remember it at all. In my head, I was freaking out a little, but I changed my password and went on with my workday. I got home and told a friend or two about how much it worried me. A week later, I'm at work, and try to log in with the old password, because now I remembered it again.
Right now I worry that it's a possibility, and when I forget things, I worry a little more, but... it's still just a possibility. If I knew, instead of it being a possibility... every time I forgot something, even normal forgetting that everyone does day in and day out, I would think it was the beginning of the end. And normally, I really like knowing things. Knowing something generally gives me comfort, even if it's not the best news, because I have something concrete there. In this one case though, knowing would just cause dread.
I don't want to know. Not unless there's a cure, or I've actually started progressing. I want it to stay merely a possibility for as long as it can.
DevoutandHeretical ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:43:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard an NPR interview a few weeks ago where they're pretty sure they've figured out a way to screen for it before you start becoming symptomatic. Apparently you start developing the disease 10-20 years before the symptoms start. Because people aren't getting treatment until they're displaying symptoms, they're hoping that this pre screening and starting treatment after identifying it then will show increased effectiveness. The doctor who developed the screening thinks it's about 5 years away from being approved for use.
Having watched my grandmother suffer for her last five years before she fell last April and passed a week later, I wish it would get approved right away so my family can start getting screened and treated ASAP. My father and his sisters are terrified of going the way of their mother.
renaissancetomboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:31:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that this disease could be cured in the next 20 years or so. Same with MS and Parkinson's. There's a huge amount of funding for the research of all these diseases and that bodes well for treatments and cures. But when those all get cured, it'll be some other scary ass brain degenerating disease we all have to worry about.
Platybelodon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:22:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Play Go. http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fnagi.2015.00163/full
lynx_and_nutmeg ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:33:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It already exists. Too bad most doctors still continue to ignore it.
ForgiveKanye ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:56:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here for this kind of comment. The CDC published six pillars on how to keep your brain active, I can't find it on mobile right now, but it basically comes down to diet and (mental/physical) exercise
Tacosareneat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:09:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copied from my comment below.
As somebody in medicine, it's incredibly difficult to get patients to make huge lifestyle changes. Especially in a 15-30 min appointment where you also have to check up on everything else (meds status, concerns, etc.). Lifestyle changes to help Alzheimers are great and should be done more, but they don't get down to the biology of Alzheimers, which we're still working to understand.
lynx_and_nutmeg ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:18:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As somebody who was dealing with a chronic disease - if any doctor ever actually told me just how very powerful and life-transforming those lifestyle changes could be, I would have tried it immediately. Drugs were already failing, I was desperate for any alternative. But none of them ever have. You might want take a look how doctors and society in general tend to speak of healthy lifestyle. Ever since childhood we get told we "should" eat healthy, exercise, etc. That's just one of those things that mature people who really have their life together seem to do. (And those people are also often seen as stuck-up bores and weirdos who don't know how to enjoy life...) We know we're "supposed" to "live healthy", but we're never actually told in any detail what exactly it does, what difference it makes. We're told we should, but never given any compelling reason to. Pretty much the only circumstance doctors ever even mention the impact of lifestyle is cardiovascular diseases, and even then most of them just give some lip service to maintaining healthy weight and exercising, and often give dietary advice that actually does the exact opposite (demonising fat, while the real enemy is excess sugar). But if someone's of healthy weight and not dealing with cardiovascular disease but some other chronic health issue, their doctor would probably never mention anything about lifestyle at all.
I would argue that the modern medicine's definition of "health" is very narrow and lacking. By that definition, "health" is basically the absence of a diagnosed diseases or syndrome. This definition includes nothing about how a person actually feels and functions in their day to day life. A person could wake up feeling like shit, need four cups of coffee just to make it through the day, be riddled with acne and constant headaches, have mild but constant flatulence, but if a doctor tries to diagnose them and didn't find any actual disease/syndrome, that person would officially be deemed healthy. And this is exactly the way many, maybe even most people are living their life. (Though it's a common trope that a person with these symptoms keeps getting told by multiple doctors they're healthy, but eventually comes to one that diagnoses them with some chronic disease). If they're over 30, they think it's just part of getting older. If they're under 30, they think it's just normal. So many symptoms or signs of poor health are not even thought of as symptoms but just the way bodies are supposed to function.
Adopting a healthy lifestyle, and I mean, all aspects of it - healthy diet, exercise, posture and alignment, non-sedentary lifestyle (exercising 3 hours per week doesn't mean spending all the rest of the time sitting down is healthy), sleep, mindfulness, minimising stress, daylight exposure - really does transform the way you feel and function. But the problem is, most people have no idea it could make them feel so much better than they do. As I said, they consider those signs of poor health to be normal and unavoidable. Most people only see "healthy lifestyle" in weight loss context, or, regarding exercise - as a way to get stronger; but if they're of healthy weight and not interested in sports, they don't think changing their lifestyle would have any benefits. And such a huge change of lifestyle is certainly very hard. It's not surprising most people don't even consider it - why would they go through something so hard for seemingly no measurable benefits, except maybe a sense of moral superiority? But if they were told in exact terms what health benefits it could bring, I'm sure many more of them would be willing to try. And if they were told those changes were the way to reverse this crippling chronic disease they've been dealing with for years, I'm sure most people would actually be up for it. For those who haven't experienced it, it might be hard to understand how desperate people can get when they suffer from those type of diseases. It wears down on you, your quality of life is shit (that's with severe symptoms, but even moderate or mild symptoms can get annoying enough). If you take a look at "alternative medicine" circles, you'd see people resorting to the most extreme measures to get healthy - swallowing live parasites, flushing out their colon, or squirting another person's shit up their anus, adopting some extremely restrictive diet, etc. (Some of them actually have a scientific basis) Those people are willing to try anything. In comparison to all that, reducing your sugar intake, starting regular exercise and adopting a regular sleep pattern is nowhere near as extreme and uncomfortable.
I this this attitude that "patients won't listen to this, why bother telling them" is kind of lazy and extremely harmful. You can't know how they react until you tell them. Even if only 1 person out of 50 will listen and try to apply these changes, it will still be doing good to society. And a 15-30 min appointment could be long enough to tell the basics or, better, direct the patient to where they can find more information on their own and take charge of their own health. Though I agree doctors aren't getting enough time with their patients.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're implying that doctors don't try, but that's not what Tacosareneat said. Of course they try. And most patients won't listen, because it's too hard. By the time they've reached the point of desperation where they're willing to do anything, the damage has usually already been done.
The second problem is that you're speaking about this lifestyle change thing as if it's some miraculous silver bullet. "If only they were just informed about the power of diet". But let's slow down a bit here, the paper you're citing is just a set of ten case studies of patients with mild cognitive impairment. You're so quick to bash doctors for not using it, would you honestly use that paper as the basis for a treatment?
lynx_and_nutmeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my experience, most doctors don't try - the one exception being cardiologists. I've been dealing with quite a few health issues and none of the doctors ever mentioned it. The only one who did was one naturopath I visited. Later I found out that the elimination diet she put me on had been debunked by science, yet it still improved my health quite a lot, before I found something even better. My mother is a doctor, as are most of her friends, and I have a few doctor and med student friends too, and I've been dealing with quite a few health issues ad Ever since I became a health enthusiast, I've been talking to them about it. Every time they just look puzzled. My best friend who's in med school said that doctors can't really give lifestyle advise because they learn nothing about nutrition and such.
As I said, most patients don't listen because they're never told why they should try those changes, how exactly this will change their life. They're sometimes told "you should eat healthy" but never really explained why. Most people only know that a bad diet is going to make them more likely to become overweight. Weight is usually where the discussion of diet begins and ends, it rarely goes beyond that. Very few people are aware of, say, the connection between poor diet and inflammation, and between inflammation and various chronic diseases.
There are plenty of stories of people who have managed to reverse even quite severe damage with those changes. Of course there are cases where it's so far gone it's impossible to completely reverse, but it at least diminishes the symptoms and improves quality of life, even if not fully.
There's a lot of research on the impact of lifestyle on health and various chronic diseases. This particular one is just one example. There's also quite a bit of research on great health and the absence of chronic disease in hunter-gatherer societies. With some diseases that tend to only appear in old age (cancer, Alzheimer's), the usual explanation is that hunter-gatherers simply die too young to fall for these diseases (nevermind that their comparatively short average lifespan is heavily skewed by high infant mortality, once you control for that, a person who survives childhood is quite likely to reach their 50s, the age that most people in industrialised societies are already riddled with various chronic health issues). But this explanation falls short for the diseases and health issues that target people of all ages - like autoimmune diseases, allergies, tooth cavities, anxiety or depression, insomnia, osteoporosis, etc. Whenever somebody brings that up, usually they're instantly shut down with an accusation of "idolising the past".
I'm not saying everyone can achieve perfect health is only they lived the right way. There are many factors individual people don't have control over - environmental pollution, a sedentary job, frequent use of antibiotics in early childhood, what their mother ate and did during pregnancy, etc. And no matter how healthy someone tries to eat or live, it still pales in comparison with hunter-gatherers. [Some of these societies were found to have incredible variety in their diet, eating about 600 different species of plants and animals(http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/05/health/hunter-gatherer-diet-tanzania-the-conversation/index.html). And their gut bacteria has amazing diversity that ours can't come close to. Even well-off people in industrialised countries today eat nowhere close to that. Neither most of us have the option to eat those foods completely fresh (they lose quite a bit of nutritious value between the harvest of killing and appearing on our plates). Neither can we do anything about the fact that, due to soil depletion and selective breeding for other qualities than nutritious value (sweetness, lack of seeds, resistance to pests, etc) most of the plant foods we eat are nowhere as nutritious as the foods people used to eat thousands of years ago, or in current hunter-gatherer societies. There's an interesting book "Eating on the Wild Side" by Jo Robinson explores a lot of research on this topic. Much of it is quite depressing (for us, that is). For example, some wild fruit and vegetables were found to have hundreds of times the antioxidant levels of their domesticated equivalents. It's no wonder that nutritional deficiencies are so common even in people who try to eat healthy.
But just because we can't be as healthy as our ancestors doesn't mean we should just give up and eat junk food all day.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Tacosareneat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like doctors get paid more for not treating Alzheimers. Also as somebody in medicine, it's incredibly difficult to get patients to make huge lifestyle changes. Especially in a 15-30 min appointment where you also have to check up on everything else (meds status, concerns, etc.). Lifestyle changes to help Alzheimers are great and should be done more, but they don't get down to the biology of Alzheimers, which we're still working to understand.
TomLeBadger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paracetamol. Worked in a care home for years (as a chef, still had to do the training) it's proven to help. Also stimulation, get your grandparent a Nintendo with the brain training games reduces the risk of dementia.
shponglenectar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hadn't heard of that before. A quick google search actually shows that paracetamol (aka acetaminophen, Tylenol) may actually increase your risk of developing Alzheimer's...
bungerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
which games?
RONALDROGAN ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dark Souls
TomLeBadger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:40:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The brain training ones. Memory games and maths e.t.c forgot what the common ones called, Dr something japanese brain training.
Coldb666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preventing it easier than treatment. Watch your diets!
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:12:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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_AxeOfKindness_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-disease/jad140093 this preclinical study says that low dose THC can slow the production of beta-amyloid proteins, so I wouldn't say it's an outright no
redlightsaber ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:46:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are literally dozens of "potential treatments" that reduce amyloid buildup either in vitro or in rats; and exactly zero of them have yielded any clikically-significant treatments for AD.
I understand how hopeful such an article can be for someone who doesn't understand that we aren't even sure that amyloid plaques are the ethiopathological underlying mechanism for AD (as opposed to merely a biomarker for it), but these sorts of exchanges are why neurologists' consultations can be so painful for everyone involved.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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_AxeOfKindness_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay
lookitzpancakes ยท 288 points ยท Posted at 14:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father has become a completely different person because of this disease. He's a shell of who he used to be. I love him so much.
casualniftydude ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:31:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandpa went through the same thing and I'm afraid those genes carried over to my dad. Him and I haven't been on the best of terms throughout our lives but I do love that man and can only hope a cure is in arms reach before the end of his lifetime.
hannips94 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can genetically test you now for a gene commonly linked to Alzheimer's or dementia. My grandfather passed away a few years ago to the disease so my doctor ran a few blood tests on my immediate family. My sister's test came back positive. Luckily there are many preventive measures you can take now (such as taking certain vitamins and doing brain games) to keep you at a lower risk.
lookitzpancakes ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:12:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is all true. It's also very possible that we'll see some sort of breakthrough in the next 20-30 years...there's lots of great research being done. Hopefully those of us entering our 30's won't be too late.
throw-away_catch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tell him.
PM_ME_YOUR_MALAISE ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father is terminal with cancer. After reading these, in a way I'm grateful his mind won't go first. Stay strong, reading these comments is rough...
lookitzpancakes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:11:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry...I can't imagine what you're going through. The bottom line is that all of this is terrible. Losing someone is incredibly painful no matter how they go. I hope for happiness in your future.
MeatAndBourbon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad died of a heart attack, but there were a number of things made me think he may be getting Alzheimer's. For example, he cancelled insurance on his car because he didn't think it was his. That was a couple months before he passed. I've taken some small comfort from knowing I didn't have to watch his mind go.
omegakill ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:43:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry you have to experience that. Keep loving him and remember your fond memories while he's still about OK? <3
lookitzpancakes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:29:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the kind words. I visit him every single day and make sure to tell him that I love him.
omegakill ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:37:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's good. If hell remember anything it'll be those 3 words. Remember to give yourself a break though. Treat yourself every now and then :)
Surroundedbygoalies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so sorry ๐ญ๐ญ
lookitzpancakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I appreciate that.
avocadoblain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:51:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father is showing early signs of this, and it terrifies me. Big hugs to you for living it now. Never let go of that love for him.
lookitzpancakes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I'm so sorry...you are entering a nightmare. Love him, love him all you can while he's still at all conscious. Even if you get frustrated, at your wit's end, love him. I wish you the very best.
TornHomoSapien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is greatly admirable by you and i can only imagine the mental strength you have to go through each day. Thank you for being so loving, I'm sure that all people, no matter at what stage they are, can feel love and warmth.
TornHomoSapien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:24:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is greatly admirable by you and i can only imagine the mental strength you have to go through each day. Thank you for being so loving, I'm sure that all people, no matter at what stage they are, can feel love and warmth.
TornHomoSapien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is greatly admirable by you and i can only imagine the mental strength you have to go through each day. Thank you for being so loving, I'm sure that all people, no matter at what stage they are, can feel love and warmth.
robbur ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:01:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I was going to post when I saw this thread. Single scariest thing on earth. Can't imagine living your whole life building memories, really the only thing that matters, just to lose them. Devastating to watch, hard to even type this.
Random_Elephant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:01:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a little young to be thinking about this, but I spent the last 2 years of my life trying to be the man I am today, I can't imagine losing my sense of identity after all that work. I'd rather die I think.
pretentiously ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mind elaborating on what you did to form who you are today? It sounds like you took steps to make a very deliberate transformation of some kind. I'd love to hear more.
Random_Elephant ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:36:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After a particularly nasty breakup with my crazy ex and some emotional and mental damage, I decided that the person I was at that time isn't good enough, since I fell victim to a bad relationship. So I tried to be a better person by getting a gym membership and working out, Reading more books than I normally do, classic literature and other stuff that interested me. And just trying to break out of my shell by trying new experiences, new food, going to concerts, refining my manners and trying to keep an open mind when interacting with other people. It helped me and I saw myself change. And I liked what I saw.
KaKa42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:16:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happy to read this.
GoldenPerf3ct ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:01:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Luckily I think we are getting closer and closer on this, and the entire spectrum of diseases related to protein misfolding. The real miracle will be seeing it accessible to all, and integrated into the standard of care.
OktoberStorm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you have your health care sorted out by then.
the1who_ringsthebell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
92% of us do.
SupriseGinger ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:02:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a bit morbid and I understand if you don't want to answer, but do you have a plan for if it happens to you? I don't have a history of it in my family, but it is probably my least proffered way to die.
If I did end up being diagnosed I am going out on my own terms. I think it's unfortunate we aren't more open about end of life options for diseases like this. Why would I want to force someone to take care of my living corpse constantly reminding them of what once was years after my actual mental being has perished? Not to mention the cost.
214972601225 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched both of my grandmothers die from this. If I get to the point where I can't remember shit, I want to die. I'll be 35 later this year so I am hoping a treatment or a cure is developed as I get older. If not, I'm putting my wishes in writing, and I'll find a place that will actually carry it out legally. I hope the laws will change in the next 30+ years regarding matters like this. However, I'm absolutely fucking determined not to end up like either of them. The first grandma to die didn't remember any of us. And for 5 years, I was the caregiver of the second grandma to die. She just died this Easter. Hell to the no. I will not die that way.
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214972601225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am also sorry for your loss, and I'm very, very sorry that's how your grandma passed. You're right that it's a twisted way to go. I'm also terrified of it. My dad makes these morbid jokes that I won't even know it's happening. And he's right. Occasionally, my grandma (the one who died this Easter) would have these brief lucid moments where she knew she had been out-of-it for a while. It was heartbreaking watching her relearn over and over again that her husband had died.
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MrDeckard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The important thing is not to burden them with the foreknowledge, at least the ones younger than you. Significant others, siblings, they HAVE to know. Particularly siblings, if there's a family history, have probably seen it and will understand.
It's never too early to have end of life conversations with loved ones. You don't want them running off in search of some deeper meaning for "why dad killed himself". It's better if their uncle can just tell them "hey, it's fine, he was sparing everyone from having to watch a ten year nightmare where you forget who he was almost as much as he does."
_grounded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would a Memento -esque system work? Maybe just in note form?
SupriseGinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not familiar with what you are talking about, could you expand a little?
_grounded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like, what if I just left notes for myself in obvious places. So everyday, I could read the truth in my own handwriting. I don't think Alzheimer's patients forget that the disease exists, but my grandma will argue with us, sometimes to tears, because she can't/won't believe what we are telling her. Why would I lie to myself? The note would get longer each day, but I'm sure it would keep me at least somewhat grounded in reality, even if it only works some days.
SaavikSaid ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You won't believe you wrote it.
SupriseGinger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what happens when you can't recognize your own handwriting or read at all?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SupriseGinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate your insight, this is obviously something you have had to deal with more times than is reasonable. People tend to be pretty bad about EOL type stuff huh?
I'm not one to leave anything to chance and always have backup plans for backup plans. Going out on my terms will still be my primary goal regardless of disease, but you are right relying on that is very optimistic and naive.
I'm only in my mid 20s, but I already plan on having enough in retirement to pay for a really good nursing home if required, and to have all of my other financials taken care of.
sakurarose20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom told me that if she gets Alzheimers, for me to just take her out of her misery :(
SupriseGinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem with that is you would need to be very careful, otherwise you might face manslaughter / murder charges :/
sakurarose20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you go to international waters.
SupriseGinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the way you think
sakurarose20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just watch lots of crime shows.
MrDeckard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody understands when I tell them that. They make a face and ask if I'm okay.
Motherfucker, we're not talking about suicide because I'm depressed. Been there, didn't do that. We're talking about suicide because I don't want to slowly lose my mind and wait for my decrepit body to decay while I'm still fucking in there.
Nope. Head down to the lake, find a tree on the hill I used to play rockbat with my dad on, call my brother and tell him what's happening and where so he can be the one to find me, put a gun in my mouth, and give my genetic destiny the finger.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:56 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SupriseGinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:48 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a sports writer that committed suicide a few years ago and made a website about it and paid to have it stay up for a very long time. He explained his reasoning and methodology very well, and I actually had a lot of respect for him after reading through it. He realized he was slowly losing his memory and decided to do something about it.
All the news articles talked about how unfortunate it was and how his colleagues wished they would have known to stop him. They basically shit all over his decision and was so disrespectful in my opinion.
You can see his website here
http://martin-manley.eprci.com/
WhoThenNow81 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:09:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ill throw in parkinsons. Prisoner in your own body
MyStrangeUncles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly still not sure which is worse; loosing control of your mind or control of your body. Either is unbearably cruel.
WhoThenNow81 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea i agree. Both horrible.
BrainWorms44 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My Great Grandfather died of Alzheimers. His son, my Grandfather, dies of Alzheimers. His other son, my Uncle, died of Parkinsons. I'm closely watching my father and his brothers. Makes me so nervous when I think about it sometimes.
WhoThenNow81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow man. Good luck. Cross your fingers for some type of huge medical advancement in the next years.
pretentiously ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALS seems so horrible. Becoming increasingly trapped in your own skin, unable to move but with a painfully aware, conscious mind. It's so scary.
tradingten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:19:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is new and exciting research just published; http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2817%2931585-4/fulltext
NancyAnnGrace ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I'm in the same situation. Mother has early onset. It terrifies me daily. I'm here if you want to talk.
PartialNecessity ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:19:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandma died of this when I was fairly young. My grandfather would drive 45 minutes every other day to the nursing home to feed, talk to her etc. She had no idea who he was, couldn't even talk. and this went on for probably 10-15 years. My aunt now has this. She has good days and bad days. Some days she'll be lucid enough to know when in her life she is. Others she's crying because she wants to see her babies, all of which are in their 40s with children of their own. Oddly, she remembers that my wife and I had a son (he's 15 months old) and always wants to see pictures. Sad bonus, if I forgot to take new pictures...I can always show the old ones and get the same level of excitement. My mother turns 60 next month, and while she's forgetful at times it's nothing out of the ordinary... hoping it skipped her, but at the same time that doesn't bode well for my sister and I (the only male child).
caakmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PartialNecessity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Late 60s
options- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:37:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched Alzheimer's turn the smartest and most joyful man I've ever known into a shell of a human. I watched him lose control over every basic function. Going to the restroom, bathing himself, feeding himself, getting dressed. He passed on May 27th this year surrounded by his family who loved him so dearly but who could have been perfect strangers as far as he was concerned. He was married to my grandmother for 50 years, and in the end he thought she was an evil caretaker trying to kill him.
The thought of this happening again to someone I love is horrifying. What if my mom has no idea who I am one day? What if I end up with Alzheimer's and can't even recognize my own daughters or husband? I'm so afraid of being trapped in my own mind like he was.
So yeah, I'm with you.
Rest In Peace, Papa.
Derock85z ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:20:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This hits home, I lived this 8 years ago. I am sorry you had to experience it.
bestem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You cry about it for a few minutes. Then you deal with it, because what other choice do you have?
You also lie to yourself the times she refers to you as her friend, as opposed to her daughter, or by name, because you don't want to admit to yourself that she doesn't know you.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:50:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was part of the old 23andMe, not sure if it's still in there.
Gilgaland ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A family friend of mine who is 17 now actually developed a preliminary test for early Alzheimer's
So surely it could happen?
News link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11734666/15-year-old-schoolboy-develops-test-for-Alzheimers-disease.html
robaard ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:05:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
University of Leuven in Belgium made breaking discovery by being able to pinpoint the proteins (?) responsible for causing Alzheimer's and one pharmaceutical company already has a prototype medicine ready. https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-07/vfi-npo072617.php
fithen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
james franco had a prototye medicine and now his planet is controlled by apes
badassmum ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:51:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are so far off, simply because we just don't fully understand what causes it. I am currently doing diagnosis research and it is overwhelming emotionally every single day.
TheLlamaSir ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:29:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually we aren't far off. There was a treatment recently tested (granted it was on mice) that was able to reverse the effects of it. I believe they were rolling out a fairly large plan to see how it works with people, with good hopes for it.
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TheLlamaSir ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow okay, I guess having a potential cure is far off. You made it sound like nobody has any idea where to even start.
badassmum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What did it reverse? Do you have a link? Would be very interested to read. I don't have much time on here to sit and discuss in detail, but as an overall we would need to understand how and why the effects of both Tau and Abeta effect certain people and then how to reverse. That's just at the basic level of Alzheimer's , that not even a drop in the ocean.
TheLlamaSir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the article I read:
https://www.singularityarchive.com/new-drug-restores-brain-function-alzheimers-animal-model-large-scale-clinical-trial-now-planned/
And the paper it was based on:
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2017/07/19/1708106114.abstract
badassmum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very exciting. I will have a good read, but from first glance it focuses on Abeta. Whilst this is a major cause of AD, we must also consider Tau and the neirofibrilary tangles.
EnayVovin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It may be that to cure Alzheimer's one has to cure aging itself. Which may not be THAT far off depending on funding.
badassmum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. But which bit of aging would be my question. Do we halt development, and if so at what stage? Do we slow it? How do we determine what is necessary and what is not in regards to development? We already know that for the most part we stop neurogenesis early in brain development, so are we simply 'freezing' a moment in adulthood? I am early in my career as a neuropsychologist, and all of these questions seem to be answered by one theory and debunked by another almost immediately.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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urik_heian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you should probably delete your comment.
Confidentiality clause and everything.
riyadhelalami ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:31:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know so, but deleted
SingularBread ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:00:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's common in my dad's family. I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that it's common or the fact that because my dad is technically my adopted dad that I will just have to watch as it happens.
nekomajin ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:37:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An effective treatment for Alzheimer's will not come about by tackling Alzheimer's directly. Alzheimer's, like cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes and most cancers, is an expression of the later stages of aging. To improve quality of life, abolish suffering and decline, we need rejuvenation biotech to maintain and restore health. The "accepting aging paradigm" is shifting slowly, but it's costing us 100,000 human lives per day.
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Anle- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aubrey de Grey will make it. Alzheimer's has to do with the extracellular aggregates he talks about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvWtSUdOWVI
livingstranger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cardiovascular disease, type 2 diabetes and cancer is massively increased by poor nutrition.
A whole foods plant based diet dramatically decreases your risk. That includes your risk of alzhheimers.
ScarletVillain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, give yourself proper nutrition and you will be able to reverse some of the top killers. Heart disease, type 2 diabetes are diet and lifestyle diseases.
I just want people to be able to know this, especially the overwhelming number of doctors that just try to treat the symptoms and have no real nutrition training.
purpleskunk69 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:03:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather had severe Alzheimer's and near the end he forgot who is own children were. Imagine waking up in a house and not knowing where you are and everyone around you are "strangers". Must have been terrying, I'm glad he's at peace now.
ciphersimulacrum ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:25:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look into the connection between alzheimer's and diet; it has been called type 3 diabetes and there is a great deal you can do to dramatically reduce your chances of getting it through diet alone.
DontRunReds ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:42:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are other forms of dementia. I had a relative that ate exceedingly well and exercised often. While they didn't get Alzheimer's they did get another form of dementia. They still lived with that dementia during the last decade or so of their life, with over 5 years in assisted living. If you live long enough you will likely get dementia.
nednerbf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:27:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres research to suggest that Alzheimer's is a type of "brain diabetes". So very similarly to the way that Type 2 Diabetes is completely lifestyle dependant, you could be predisposed to Alzheimers. This suggests that by adjusting lifestyle habits you could either treat or significantly reduce your chance of ever getting Alzheimers.
Study Review
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nednerbf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And you never know there could have been a number of other factors that caused the disease to occur in your mother and grandma.
Something our family noted when we ran our genetics through promethease, was that my mom carried the gene for Alzheimers, but neither my brother nor myself had the gene. Her mother suffered from the disease. My father was also not a carrier for the gene, but his father suffered from Alzheimers.
What this at least sort of indicated to us in at least our sample size, is that only the female was the carrier of that gene.
Its the weird thing about genes, and something we dont really understand yet. Your mom and grandma may have been drastically predisposed to the disease where you may be significantly less predisposed.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like you lose someone twice. My grandma has it and great grand mother also. I hope my mom gets to live without it
genericname1111 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:13:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
another Alzheimer's thread
Oh fuck here we go..... The feels on the bus go round and rou- ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ๐ญ.
viper7068 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:15:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to hear about your loved one but contrary to popular belief, there's not a strong link for hereditary Alzheimer's, only 15% of cases have a hereditary link. Not trying to offend anyone and yes it's a scary disease but I wouldn't let it keep you up at night
Tex623 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friend's dad has it and it is terrifying to see. MIT petrochemical engineer who now wanders his house, doesn't know how to sit in a chair without help and almost chokes every time he takes a bite of food. I can only watch it for so long before I have to leave.
JaySavvy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:28:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can dementia get an honorable mention? It's pretty hard to see, too.
powerlesshero111 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My family line is the opposite of Alzheimer's. My grandfather is like 84 and still can code a computer and repair musical instruments. The geneticist at my work knows someone who does Alzheimer's research, and i suggested that he run all the tests on my grandfather and family line. We're still waiting to find out if he wants to or not. The best way to search for a cure or treatment to a condition, is to look at the extreme opposite. See why one person doesn't loose cognitive functionality from protein build up
provolone12 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:04:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I second this, my poor grandma was taken by this, as was my girlfriends grandma. Its a sad heart wrenching process.
DrippyWaffler ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:13:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad, when I was about 16 (he'd of been 45 or so), told me that if he ever got to the point where he was no longer "him" (loss of memory, loss of motor functions, sanity etc) that I as the eldest child should put him out of his misery since my stepmother wouldn't emotionally be able to.
Xpapamoose ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:15:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem behind this would be if you couldn't afford the cure.
You would have to constantly find out that there is a cure and you can't have it.
steffejr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it is no consolation, but there are lots of scientists out here dedicating our lives to help reach this goal.
_my_work_account_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much entire family had Alzheimer. My siblings and I fully expect to have it as well. We just hope we are the 'kind & cooperative' Alzheimer patients, not the 'crabby & difficult' variety.
bTrixy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard (last week or so) on the news that a university here made a breaktrough discovery on Alzheimer. It's probably not for tomorrow but a cure Will be Found.
I translated it with google translate
John_Philips ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:23:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we try to cure Alzheimer's the apes will take over!
henrahmagix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This! I was trying to think of a kind way to make that joke amongst all this personal sadness... I'm glad someone else saw the reference :)
Inflatable_waffle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aaaand now i want to rewatch the new POTA movies again
normalfortotesbro ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:07:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is good evidence that our high sugar intake could be a major contributing factor to the prevalence of Alzheimer's and dementia. Some are calling it Diabetes Type III
Millea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
normalfortotesbro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:35 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I apologize for taking so long to get back to you with this. Dr. Mark Hyman is on the cutting edge of health being correlated to nutrition.
ENJOY! https://www.adwdiabetes.com/articles/type-3-diabetes-brain-health
Millea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:39 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
EDIT: Reading over this, I'm not sure if this source can be trusted. Its only source is Dr. Mark Hyman, the chairman of the Institute for Functional Medicine, an organization which is anti-vaccination among other things.
All the rest of the claims are backed up by the words "It is backed up by research studies." or something similar which is a huge red flag without a link to these studies.
normalfortotesbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:14 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would need to read his books. He is definitely more homeopathic. Google him. Read the books. Don't just go on my word or your hunches (red flags).
wherethewavebroke ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no cure, but there are preventative measures you can take to reduce your chance of developing alzheimers. The synthetic peptide Noopept has shown benefits both as a daily supplement and for long term cognitive health. I believe its even being prescribed to patients in russia to combat alzheimers.
imsoawesome11223344 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandma's health is deteriorating. My uncle has to keep telling her that her dog died. :(
vesticles3562 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. I lost two grandparents to it and last year, my father. It was really hard watching my dad struggle coping with it while he was still lucid and eventually just drifting into oblivion. It's so hard on the families too. Such a shitty disease
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the absolute worst thing, for a family to have to watch their family member forget who they were, when they spent their whole lives becoming that person.
I watched it happen to my grandma, and it ate us all up inside, including her. I went from her taking care of me, to me taking care of her, and every day broke my heart. But it also made me who I am today.
trolleyhop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching a family member and a great man die from ALZ right now. It's the worst!
countrysgonekablooie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hear, hear.
jworsham ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we lump ALS into that as well? It's in my family (grandma died of it), and skips a generation. I'm next...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe when they find the cure for Alzheimer's they'll find one for schizophrenia as well. My brother has suffered from it his entire life and it would be amazing if he could have some "normal" years. The disease really takes your soul.
AIDS1255 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully this gets seen, we are actually pretty clean we to a breakthrough on this. I work for a drug company that has an Alzheimer's treatment in Phase 3 clinical trials. A lot of folks posted some stuff that had animal testing, but that isn't close to being effective in humans. There are other drug companies similar to the one I work at that are also very close.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DontRunReds ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:39:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people say that but few people follow through. Be sure to have a backup plan for your care.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found out shortly after my amazing grandfather passed after fighting for ten years, although he passed at 61 and was a 'baby", that when he get his diagnosis, he tried to hang himself in the garage.
This is not something my grandpa would ever have done before, but had watched his mother's demise with Alzheimer's, and ultimately did not want to be the "burden" his mother was. This broke my heart, as my grandpa was my best friend.
The first time he didn't remember who I was was one of the hardest days of my life. It's up there with losing my dad when he was 38, and was honestly harder than his actual passing. Also, telling my grandpa that my dad would be coming over after work for three years was tough. He never remembered his oldest child had passed. I think that's ok though l. I don't think he wanted to remember.
Fuck Alzheimer's. Fuck it right in the ear!
unzipmyrainbowguts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was very kind to tell him that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you :-). It was harder to convince my grandma to do so, as she wanted him to be there for her. That was too.
AJohnsonOrange ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the third time you posted this in five minutes. Are you okay?
All jokes aside, that would be nice. I'd imagine progression in curing people who currently have Alzheimers could be useful elsewhere, though the cure would probably be found in some kind of genetic fix at a young age instead which would hopefully come with fixing other genetic problems too. It would be nice to see that all go. Quick scan of the baby, pick up genetic problems, resolve them in utero.
hopie324 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Walk To End Alzheimer's is coming up across the country! I'm hosting a team here in Salt Lake but there are so many going on all over the United States. If anyone at all wants any information on how to sign up/donate/participate please don't hesitate to reach out to me!! ๐ awareness is a HUGE step to finding a cure! We can do this!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely right. Here is a great (but sad) animation that explains how it happens and what it does. https://vimeo.com/user7182614/retrogenese-english
It is an awful disease that literally destroys the things that make you you. The impact it has on loved ones is huge too since it changes someone so completely before eventually (but slowly) killing them.
myboardfastanddanger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same I'm banking on a cure being found or I'm fucked with these genes
Nimbus2017 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My great grandmother died today and seeing her slowly fade away because of the Alzheimer's was the worst thing to happen to my family, to the point that we're all relieved that she's not going through it anymore. A cure for that would be amazing.
PM_ME_Y1FF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:18:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One HUNDRED fucking percent. My biggest fear is developing schizophrenia or Alzheimer's in my old age
kosherkitties ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your edit: my mom keeps saying that my grandma lived until 99, "Just another year until she got to 100!" But she never really made it to 99, in my eyes. She was 97 when she broke her hip, somehow Alzheimer's set in after that and rapidly progressed. The next few months were her last real lucid months and then she just had no real memories of anything. She never really made it to 99. Not her. Not her personality. Not my grandma.
TRFKTA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My nana had Alzheimer's. I still remember coming home from town with my dad, granda and her and she asked who I was. I was told stuff like that would happen but that was my first encounter of it.
My Granda stopped me seeing her after a while as he wanted me to remember her as she was before she started deteriorating.
After she went into a home, his life while she was alive revolved around getting up early and going and sitting with her all day before going home and doing it again the next day. He still gets tearful when thinking about what the condition did to her sometimes
LoveBull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:45 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's quite common in my family too. My Grand-Maa is suffering from Alzheimer's too. It really upsets me, ESP my mother, to see her the way she is. I completely empathise.
ollimann ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:09:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you want to do anything to prevent alzheimer go vegan
Derock85z ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
ollimann ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/sxtRilvU5s0
ScarletVillain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Specifically whole plant foods. Not soda pop, potato chips, oreos and deep-fried foods.
BTW Dr. Neal Barnard, that you link below, is an excellent speaker. He's great, doesn't come across as preachy or pretentious like some others and obviously knows enough about his subject to be able to break it down for the layman.
DavidNotGuetta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But please make sure you eat your daily chia / flax seeds for omega 3 and maybe even consider a algae based dha / epa (middle and long chained omega 3s) supplement. And of course a b12 supplement.
Both are absolutely vital for brain health. Otherwise I completely agree.
ScroopyNoopy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a cure but nicotine is supposed to help prevent it. Not cigarettes but nicotine.
wherethewavebroke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no cure, but there are preventative measures you can take to reduce your chance of developing alzheimers. The synthetic peptide Noopept has shown benefits both as a daily supplement and for long term cognitive health. I believe its even being prescribed to patients in russia to combat alzheimers.
DavidNotGuetta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On mobile right now but also middle and long chained omega 3 fatty acids are suggested to help keep your brain healthy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lost my grandfather to Alzheimer's last night. Came into this thread to say exactly this.
tcs36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully we're not too far off: https://www.singularityarchive.com/new-drug-restores-brain-function-alzheimers-animal-model-large-scale-clinical-trial-now-planned/
My grandma had Alzheimer's, it's a massive fear of mine that either of my parents might develop it. Hopefully we'll see some kind of breakthrough within the next decade
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen. Just had to deal with losing a loved one to Alzheimers. We need death with dignity.
LadyRedfox8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad is starting Down that road
sub-t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hemmingway
ROGER_CHOCS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh, runs in my wifes family. Scares the shit out of me for her.
21-4-14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out the Louis Theroux Extreme Love episode about Alzheimer's. It's terribly sad but very informative.
BEWMarth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow this hit close to home i take care of my grandmother who has Alzheimer's and it breaks my heart everyday to see the state she is in. I really pray for a cure and i hope its soon.
Kitty-Kats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My grandfather currently has Alzeimers and he's starting to forget quite alot. I'm terrified of what will happen if he forgets my language. I'm Swedish and my grandparents are from Finland. What if he forgets how to speak swedish? And what will happen when he doesn't recoginze me anymore? It's all too much for me to handle which sadly have lent to the point where I find it much to hard to see him cause it just kills me to see him so sick...
LucidGrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can help prevent Alzheimers by not eating red meat. There is a link between the two.
NancyAnnGrace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true, however you still need a good source of vitamin B12. Really easy to get from red meat. Supplements are needed at that point.
tonedeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They give B12 supplements to animals in their feed these days so, eating meat to get B12 is just a very inefficient and expensive way of indirectly taking a B12 supplement.
DontRunReds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then you'll just get a different form of dementia instead.
davemj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When my grandmother was dying she had a bad case of Alzheimer and for some reason I was the only one she remembered each day when we visited her to the hospital. Im not sure why and it wasn't under anyone's control, but it really tore my father up that she was remembering her grandson consistently but not her own son. He felt like it was some sort of sign that she wasn't proud of him. She died at the end of April and I'm still helping my father get through it.
TacoFrag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. It's the worst.
badblue81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% agree with this. I've been watching my mother-in-law degrade for 7 years. She was diagnosed shortly before I met my wife, and has almost never remembered who I am.
Watching my wife deal with the pain of loosing her mother this way is terrible, and there is very little I can do to for her other then just stand by her side and have a shoulder for her when she needs it. But in the back of my mind, I am aware that my wife will one day (most likely) also be diagnosed with Alzheimer's. And I don't know how I'd handle it.
And then there is my best friend. Her mother went from being diagnosed (in her mid 50's), to virtually catatonic in about 2 years. Last time I saw her, was in the home she in. She didn't know me at all, and didn't realize anything was wrong until she saw her daughter. The nurses said that she was fine and happy up until she saw someone she knew, then she got scared and confused. I was heart breaking.
I have been running Folding@Home on my computer for over a year now with a preference to Alzheimer's. Maybe one day, this will help with finding a treatment.
25keymoog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder, once it has fully taken hold, is it as bad for the person with it as it is for those having to deal with that? Or by that point have you just lost your mind?
thesuper88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife's grandmother struggled with dimentia. Her husband wasn't in great health and they lived alone (with a son living an hour away). She lived across the street from where she grew up. She lived on the same patch of street in Michigan farmland her whole life. It was heartbreaking when grandpa's health was getting so bad because grandma wasn't able to take care of him anymore. Then their son had to move away, making us (4+ hours away) their closest relatives. She was starting to forget some closer family friends and wouldn't let anyone in the house. It was heartbreaking again having to move them to Ohio with us to a nursing home with memory care. She was doing much better than most residents in their and knew it. He was totally fine mentally. It was heartbreaking making grandpa basically live in such a place in order to be with his wife. It was heartbreaking when she asking if she would end up like the other residents in a moment of clarity. It was a heartbreaking relief when they found her pancreatic cancer late, and she passed peacefully. Her father, when she was young, once went down the road for 7up. The police found him on his way to Arkansas, his childhood home, with a six pack of 7up in the passenger seat.
My wife has a potential to suffer from this. I pray all the time that we find an effective treatment and cure.
Tiggymartin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt MK-677 helping in preventing it before it starts?
AIDS1255 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully this gets seen, we are actually pretty clean we to a breakthrough on this. I work for a drug company that has an Alzheimer's treatment in Phase 3 clinical trials. A lot of folks posted some stuff that had animal testing, but that isn't close to being effective in humans. There are other drug companies similar to the one I work at that are also very close.
dexer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Studies have found strong links between sleep health and active minds in relation to onset of Alzheimer's. It's also been found that injuries which result in reduced autonomy increase the likelihood of Alzheimer's.
Basically, make it a life goal to have healthy and regular sleep, to stay healthy with good eating habits and regular exercise, and to exercise proper caution in the things you do as you grow older to reduce the likelihood of hurting yourself and limiting your mobility.
WonkoTheSane__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my biggest fear. Dying is easy, it's the thought of unintentionally hurting someone I love is the worst part. Both my grandfathers suffered from dementia. It is scary how quickly they would forget who someone was and how quickly it turned violent.
Extrafriesskrub420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least once you get it You won't remember what it did to those people
mojavespider25 ยท 2939 points ยท Posted at 13:53:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something that extends life beyond 200 years so I can see even more cool stuff. I feel like we're on the cusp of being what we've always thought of as "futuristic", with technology advancing so quickly over the last few decades, but as things stand, it looks like I'll be checking out in the late 2070s/early 2080s. I think there will be some really awesome stuff happening during that time, but if something came along that could double my lifespan so that I'd be peacin' out around 2170, shit would definitely be litty titty by then.
theironphilosopher ยท 318 points ยท Posted at 20:01:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll probably happen in the late 2080's, just after everyone here has died.
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 02:40:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speak for yourself. Hopefully, I'll be rocking in my 90s.
theironphilosopher ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 04:19:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, but you forget the great war of 2074. After the Nanotechnological Revolution in the 50's, countries have begun to develop nanorobotic weapons of mass destruction. This leads to great tension between Taiwan (which rose to become a world superpower along with China by absorbing North Korea after its long-due collapse), the United States, and the Russian-Arabian coalition. The tension between the three world powers rose to a breaking point in the early 70's, when China (an ally of Taiwan) attacked Russia, provoking the wrath of its many allies who used nanorobotic weapons that were strictly prohibited as a war crime by the United Nations. This provoked the United States to enter the war. However, Taiwan and the United States were on very poor terms, and when the US entered Taiwanese territory, they considered it an act of war. The US suffered the most from this war, due to many factors, not the least of which was the fact that they had to transport troops and supplies across the ocean. In 2074, the US was forced to withdraw their troops, and Taiwan and the coalition followed them back home. Thus began the first land invasion of the US in several hundred years. The battles were long and hard, and by the end of the war, every viable man and women was drafted, and 2/3 had died. So much money was poured into the war that medicine became absurdly expensive, and the elderly were unable to pay for proper healthcare, and thus died by the millions. So, /u/mojavespider25, /u/QuidditchIsLame , /u/neorequiem, u/vladhq, /u/PoolStoreGuy, and /u/Tehsyr (and u/waterguy12), do not be naive when you assume that future immortality will be offered to you on a silver platter. You and your children and their children will pay dearly for the gift that humanity has longed for ever since they were self-aware.
neorequiem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:12:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
90's too, lets start crowd sourcing this shit
Tehsyr ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:26:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone here? Not me though. Thanks to denial, I'm immortal!
suckit5253 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand this reference.
PoolStoreGuy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:56:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll happen in the 2090's.
Everyone knows the best shit happens in the 90s
SEQU0IA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:11 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone? I think I have a reasonably good chance of living to 80.
vladhq ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 03:13:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2080's refers to 2070-2079, at which point I will be anywhere from 73-82 years old. Considering I keep a pretty healthy lifestyle, and the medical advances that will come in the future, I will hopefully still be alive for at least another 10-15 years after that time.
SuprahCC ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:48:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to, well everyone, what you just said is completely wrong. Whenever someone thinks of the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s they don't think of the years before i.e. For the 70s people don't think of the years 1960-1969, they think of the years 1970-1979. You're thinking of centuries in which case the 21st century is actually the 2000s. The reason for this is because the 1st century started at year 0. The second started with 100, the third started with 200 ect.
mullet85 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 05:33:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WTF? Decades aren't centuries, you seem to think this is like 20th century = 1900s, which doesn't apply to decades. 2080's is 2080-2089 buddy.
The more I think about this the more I hope this is a poor attempt at a joke, hopefully nobody older than 10 could actually think this
RobertThorn2022 ยท 68 points ยท Posted at 20:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Changing blood seems to be promising. They managed to reverse the effects of aging in mice. Combine this with cure for cancer and prevention of heart attacks and at least 150 years may be possible.
brando56894 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 03:09:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't really have much to do with our blood, but our DNA. Scientists have found out recently that the reason why Galapagos Turtles can live to be 150+ years old is because their cells divide at a much slower rate than a Human's does. Essentially what it comes down to is that out cells have a preset number of times that they can replicate, once all these are up, no new cells can be created and things start to deteriorate, which leads to health issues and eventually death.
They have found that our telomeres (tips of chromosomes) shrink each time that a cell divides, and when they get too short, they fail at dividing, and (don't quote me on this) that could be what causes some cancers. IIRC they have found a few genes that either stop or slow this shrinkage which could result in longer life spans.
I'm not a scientist, I work in IT, I just love biology so here's something more scholarly haha http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/basics/telomeres/
bequiet22 ยท 210 points ยท Posted at 19:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Litty titty" is fucking awesome haha
darnitcamus ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 21:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed at that too, and my girlfriend (a good bit younger than I am) looked at me like I was dumb.
Put me out to pasture, I don't know the lingo anymore....
Extramist ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 01:02:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha interesting, how much younger? ( furiously dials police)
darnitcamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need for authorities-- she's 21 and I'm 30. Which I've learned over the last few months can lead to some pretty wildly different experiences!
Extramist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:43:51 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a 32 year old all I can say is... Nice! And the swat teams are being called back as we speak. If we don't reach them in time just yell "pineapple" and they should leave you alone.
ninety1st ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 22:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's been something my wife and I have been saying lately, lol.
FallenDanish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:47:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I say litty mctitty so much and seeing litty titty is so great
GoodChanceImStoned ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 19:40:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"litty titty"
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:03:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like asking the genie for 10 more wishes as your first wish .. what a cunning plan!
Oni_K ยท 118 points ยท Posted at 19:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, extending human life will be an ever worsening ecological disaster. If the population continues to expand faster than we can come up with ways to reduce our resource consumption and deal with our waste, we're in big trouble. In short, humans dying is good for the environment. (how depressing is that?)
king-krool ยท 188 points ยท Posted at 19:37:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but in terms of value to me, protecting numero uno is top priority.
donkeythong64 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 22:09:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would say that, give back my bananas.
mojavespider25 ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 19:43:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're absolutely right, but I think that problem might be correcting itself. If you look at the US at least, people are having far less children than they used to and the population as a whole is getting older. Once the Boomers die out, I think we'll have a nicely balanced population in this country at least. I also believe that as a species, our heightened awareness of our impact on the planet will lead us to find new sources of food and energy that are more sustainable. And as more people move to cities as they have been, things will become even more efficient with less having to be transported, generating less emissions, and leaving more room for the land to return to its natural state. I'm optimistic about what my generation will do once we have the reigns :)
hazyPixels ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 21:08:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks. We love you too. :(
RichDaCuban ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 21:52:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now, it's not personal but the previous generations have fostered a pretty stifling system here in the U.S I'm 29 and struggling with school debt while living paycheck to paycheck (and no I don't have the latest phone and no I don't eat avocado toast). It's not even like when my dad was my age in the 1980's when he worked in a factory and supported my mother and two cars and a modest home in Westchester County, NY... Not really possible anymore.
hazyPixels ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:06:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I certainly didn't get everything "The Greatest Generation" got and I have my share of troubles too. You might get away with blaming a few leaders and politicians but blaming an entire generation is just lame. Not all of us are responsible for the troubles you have and some of us worked hard to make things as good for you as we could.
But now that N. Korea is going full nuke, it looks like you might have a chance to deal with many of the same problems we faced. I wish you the best of luck with that.
RichDaCuban ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 22:17:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll gladly take duck and cover drills as long as I can afford a home of my own and a new-ish car. Oh, and if somehow schooling didn't cost as much as open heart surgery.
Skwerilleee ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 22:50:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While we're at it it'd be nice if open heart surgery didn't cost as much as open heart surgery.
RichDaCuban ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:44:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hear hear!
LogicalComa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:51:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now, you're an all-star
Greyfeld ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 19:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always find it weird how people get scared about the declining birth rates in some parts of the world. It's like, "You do realize that we have over 7 FUCKING BILLION people on this planet, right?? I'm sure the earth could use a generational break to catch her second wind."
CaesarSultanShah ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 20:54:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well declining birth rates in the short term is a problem especially for the developed countries. Japan is the epitome of it. Basically the idea is that as fertility rates drop, the next generation of workers (labor pool) will be unable to sustain a large retired older population. Many social welfare models like healthcare and social security rest on the assumption that the labor pool is either equal to or greater than retirees. And most services are paid through deficit spending meaning that the tab is assumed to be picked up by future generations (future workers). With declining labor pools, the problem mainly is that tax revenues are depleted and thus cannot fund the debt (interest payments)on ongoing services. This is a problem if services are not cut. The shrinking labor pool problem though is solvable with a mix of automation, immigration, a new social contract to update the tensions between globalization, capitalism, and democracy, a reconceptualization of the welfare model, political realignments, and perhaps at the extreme, a shift in values as an entire civilization. On the other hand, we'll be dealing with rapid population increases in developing countries which have its own set of problems.
Hnikudr ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 21:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Add robots to the mix aaaaannnd...
steeldraco ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 23:14:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either future sci-fi utopia or bleak depressing failure of the global economy, followed by quasi-feudalism with a massive gap between the rich and the poor.
Bet on the latter.
classicalySarcastic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:27:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smart money says the latter based on how things are going now.
CaesarSultanShah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:48:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it's either or. Instead we might witness wondrous things in the midst of some harrowing ones within this century. Great advances in technology and medicine amidst global systemic problems that will start to strain resources and the social fabric. So both utopia and dystopia.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 21:43:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm honestly going to assume my retirement investments are paid out of pocket. I've heard way too many bad things about Social Security and I want a safety net. Ironic that I need a safety net for a safety net.
classicalySarcastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck it. When I graduate college I'm putting $10,000 into a market index fund and just letting it sit for
6545 years. At least then I don't have to manage it and it should outpace inflation for most of that time.EDIT: 65 years after college would put me at 87. I'm retiring before then.
sexy_bethany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and also the birth rate is only declining in predominantly white countries. Africans and Middle Easterners are still being born at over 4 babies per mother, so if you care about overpopulation, tell them to stop having so many kids somehow.
ArchonRaven ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:45:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I knew more people like you
A_Manly_Soul ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna happen. I really wish this was true, but it's not. The US and most other developed countries' fertility rates are below replacement levels, yes, but their total populations are not shrinking at all due to immigration. The developing world has absurdly high birth rates, some as high as 6 or 7 on average per family. Africa's population is set to explode over the next 80 years. Current predictions suggest there will be 11.2 billion people by 2100.
zAndAllThatJazzz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:00:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll just go digital with this whole consciousness thing. Rent your brain as a processor for 8 hours a day and spend the other 16 surfing
SprawlnBrawl ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:27:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surfing Reddit?
zAndAllThatJazzz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Old habits die hard
xxDarby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But would it be a copy of our consciousness going digital or would it be our exact conscious going digital. There is a videogame that explores this idea but i can't think of the game of the top of my head.
DBrickShaw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:39:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're probably thinking of SOMA, and it's a great game.
xxDarby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:38 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bingo!
zAndAllThatJazzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if it's your real brain.
Snazzymf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:17:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I feel like dealing with those problems beats being dead.
Freact ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. No matter how bad nay-sayers claim it's going to get. Even if they are correct... still better than being dead.
JMMD94 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As technology increases our ability to deal with ecological disasters will also expand. The world is much likely to be cleaner in the future, with expanding sources of clean energy, and better recycling practices. The planet can easily sustain 15 billion people with current technologies. In the future our planet will be able to sustain far more people. Having more children may eventually need to be curtailed but not for generations.
It is depressing that you, along with many others, share this bleek viewpoint on the future but it's a false narrative that is passed along blindly.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:27:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source? Because as far as I'm aware, we're barely able to sustain ourselves and we don't even have 10 billion people.
Rocto ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:33:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're super inefficient though. Probably our 2 biggest issues are waste (1st world countries) and just general inefficiency, like eating meat instead of being vegans or even bug eaters, which would free up space for even more food.
If we actually put our knowledge and materials to good use, we'd be living in a utopia already. But that'd require a Startrek-like system (no money etc.), world peace etc etc. Unachieveable.
JMMD94 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:41:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without intending, we produced 2x as much food as we consumed in 2016. If you take a look around many people were already eating far more than necessary Only a small fraction of the Earth is inhabited and the entire world's population could fit in a area smaller than Texas at population densities less than many major cities.
CaptainCAPSLOCKED ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No dude, the world is going to implode AAAAAANY day now
Freact ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At our current level of tech. The obvious thing that these estimates never take into account is that our ability to produce all the stuff that people need is going to continue to increase. Human productivity is exponential with population. 15 billion people won't be just twice as productive as we are, they will likely be orders of magnitude more productive.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree but also have a different reason. It is going to be people like Putin and Pauly Shore that can afford it
DemiDualism ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but how bout we let nature kill us and not hold ourselves back, mkay?
Squoogle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That im afraid is a myth. Watch something Aubrey De grey google talks and hardtalks
StrongmanSamson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:19 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you don't think out of the box.
Humans dying has always been an inevitable thing. Everything, humanity, civilization, economy, science has the first axioma that people die, life is relatively short and its length has a great variation from person to person.
However, if we could eliminate death or at least lengthen the human life considerably, our economy and society would have to adapt to that. By the way, when we will have the technology to do that, maybe we will have other resources which won't be depleted that quickly.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:34:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's also good for society.
In the political sphere, do you really want more older voters?
dalmathus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Leave it alone for one thread please.
2) There would be no 'Old' voters if everyone could live forever.
Kareeel ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 21:17:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boombox is right, if people would live forever, technological and political progression would decrease, since young people change their views way more easily than older people
dalmathus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:01:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't lived in a world with immortal people. What are you basing that assumption on?
Why would people not realise they are going to be here for a very long time and work to improve the long term life of the planet?
PlankWithANailIn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:24:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you assume peoples nature would change?
jesusisacoolio ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overall, older people have been shown to be less adaptive in picking up newer technologies. So we would more likely have a greater percentage of the population that are unskilled in new and upcoming tech.
As for political views, I'm not sure. I would assume that the older you get the more steadfast you become on one mindset, and perhaps similar to new technologies, new political ideas are less considered. Something like "I grew up without UBI, why do people need it now?".
Also this is assuming we keep a healthy brain age throughout all this and that we don't have a lot of healthy looking people with really old brains.
dalmathus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:37:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but that's because Older people spent the first half of their lives in a certain environment and don't feel the need to learn all the new shit that's not going to matter to them when they are dead.
Take away the time constraint of life and I think you would find people are more than willing to keep up with the latest technologies as it's not going to be a waste of time learning everything if you can actually apply it.
Alternatively, you would go the way of middle earth and have elves sucking each other's dicks for 3000 years doing nothing to advance civilization but I think because the human race has already had a taste of rapid technological advancement that behavior wouldn't stop.
Especially if we preserved our ability to reproduce space travel to other livable environments would become priority number one.
If we couldn't figure that out then it would be a mass culling of everybody who wasn't American/Asian/White/over 6ft tall whatever criteria that get the culling going first.
At that point, I think we stop worrying about geezers and their opinions.
jesusisacoolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, it is very likely that those geezers would be the ones running the world though with more time to build up wealth, knowledge, ect.
You could be right about the technological aspect, I'm still not entirely convinced politically though. I remember one time I was at an old family friends house, she was about 80. Some people came to our house asking to sign a petition on gay marriage, she politely declined. Later she said "I think that they can all do as they wish, but I can't support it. I guess I'm just a product of the time I was raised". I know when I get to that age there will be things I won't have been raised to believe becoming popular. Is it still my place to slow this process, or should I accept that the world is different to 80 years prior? Then in this future I am living for at least 100 more years with these decisions. It would take a consistently progressive mindset to remain progressive.
dalmathus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, everyone is just trying to live their best life.
I'd just like to think that when an element of permanency is bought into the equation people start to re-evaluate what really matters.
Just think of the applications on religion, or warfare, or human rights. We would either see a total societal collapse competing for a race to the top or a cultural renaissance that does away with violence and hatred and the world becomes a socialist paradise.
My outlook is bleak on the matter and I think I would be murdered pretty quickly.
jesusisacoolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not believing in people and the future is the easy option though, and I want my world peace and jet packs. I'm going out kicking and screaming until I get 'em.
Freact ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technological progress would certainly continue. I would argue that it would speed up even. There are many good reasons, but two easy ones are:
there would be more people to work on new technologies
Also, given that technology would continue to be developed I think that would cause or political views to evolve as well. Many people have attributed the change over time in societies political views to "the old stubborn generation" (ie. the one before them!) dying off and allowing the young to pursue new lifestyles and beliefs. However, I think technological progress has caused a lot of the shifts in our politics over the years and that has merely coincided with generational differences.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:33:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, statistically, there would only be old voters.
defrgthzjukiloaqsw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:58:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh? We'd only be extending the life of westerners of course.
StrongmanSamson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:57 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who downvotes this doesn't understand irony.
defrgthzjukiloaqsw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:26 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What irony?
Dowdly ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:31:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on what age you are, you might get to live for a lot longer than you think. Amazing research is being done on the diseases of old age so who knows what kind of breakthroughs could occur within our lifetimes. You can really get lost in the rabbit hole of reading about the biology of ageing and the people who are working to cure it but if you're interested you should look up Aubrey de Grey and read about the work he's doing with the SENS Research Foundation here's a TED talk he's done, the guys over at Google also founded Calico to do research in defeating the diseases of old age. Really interesting stuff.
lobodelrey ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:09:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you
Skeltzjones ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:19:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Visiting other solar systems instead of other countries would be just about the coolest thing ever
heids2point0 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:38:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This has always been my wish. I, probably like many others, feel like i'm supposed to see/live in the future. This is only of course if we get our shit together and have a sustainable earth. I have FOMO of the future if that's a thing?
Nekrothis ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:20:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was told the first person to live to be 200 is almost definitely alive today
EDIT: Source High School history teacher who I know for a fact had been wrong in the past on his little "fun facts"
Timazipan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:33:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last line of this excerpt from Charlie Chaplins, The Dictator is very relevant to your request for eternal life. " The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish." (Apologies for formatting, on mobile.)
Hybrazil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:28:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"And so long as men die, liberty will never perish." Until we have stronger protections of Liberty everywhere I'd rather no one live to 200. Imagine the power a king would wield if he could live so long.
Nerdwiththehat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:08:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said it in a thread a while ago when we were talking about existential dread, but I'm planning on near immortality - I only need to live long enough to live forever. But when people were asking about artificial life extension, I said if the Grim Reaper is chasing me, I just need to learn how to roller skate.
Gamerbits ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:26:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Came here to say exactly this. And to recommend r/Futurology to anyone who asked for the same
xXDesyncXx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:02:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually this might be much closer than you think. there are only a few routes that humans can take to living forever or "living forever". I've put way too much thought into this and searched the internet long enough to come to the conclusions of we can either mind map people onto AI's to "live forever" but then people would still die and the AI wouldn't really be them, we could get nano robots that we can use to repair the human body in the sensitive areas that we can fix today like the brain or heart, or we can find a fully biological approach like serums for living forever that would repair the human body. pretty much the only actually viable option is nano robots since no serum can make the brain be repaired strictly through biological means and with mind mapping we would still die. The best cross here would be nano robots to repair the brain and heart but biological serums to repair the rest of the body. Basically everyone go invest in nano machine research if you want to live forever.
dnesteruk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:55:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genetic engineering and CRISPR will seriously split society. We would have lots and lots of ordinary folks and tiny amounts of superhuman who own 99.9% of everything.
monarc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:43:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's already increasingly true over time without genetic engineering...
dnesteruk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but not to the degree it would be if those things actually come to pass (which I'm sure they will).
Public_Potato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:31:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe in 200 years we'll see a working Reddit search :P
N64Overclocked ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really always depends on what "futuristic" looks like to you. 50 years ago, having a computer in your pocket more powerful than a NASA space ship's computer that could give you pretty much any information you ask for is pretty futuristic.
Microsoft is developing an AR device that lets you manipulate holograms like Tony Stark.
We have drones that can fit in your pocket and follow you around without any human input aside from a "follow me" style command.
It's pretty futuristic already, it just depends on your point of view.
MK2555GSFX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are killer robots patrolling the skies, we're already what we've always thought of as "futuristic".
Oxideist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might live to see the first contact war then.
Upnorth4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:56:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't seem that we're in the "future" in my part of Michigan. My city hasn't changed much since the 1980s
stealthdawg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Technological advancement is exponential and we are like right at the mother fuckin hockey stick curve. It's gonna get crazy and I definitely want to see it.
sexy_bethany ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The future is now.
15 years ago, if I told you I can buy things by holding my pocket computer near a reader for a second and having it draw directly from my bank account, or be able to talk to someone across the world in real time with HD video, they would tell me I watch too much Star Trek
taleofbenji ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:15:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a newborn daughter who might see 2100. Blows my fucking mind.
DeadOwlEntertainment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:13:45 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their is actually some research going into this now by a whole lot of scientists. I'm not gonna pretend to know the specifics but I've seen estimates for this as early as 2035.
messinwitcha12 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:15:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for litty titty
pa07950 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:00:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Increasing lifespans must accompany decreasing birth rates or we are in for big problems!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:29:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great! Less babies
brajgreg7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:45:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, with advances in modern science and my high level income, it's not crazy to think I can live to be 245, hell maybe even 300.
namdeew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I once read that if you live in thirty years, you most likely also live in 500 years.
neochase23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Litty titty" bless you for bringing this into my life
friedzombie456 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the one i actually don't want. Just imagine all the rich fuckers who will still be alive sucking the planet for another 100 years plus. All i can imagine everyone slowly turning orange from age becoming more radioactive by the day until they blossom and evolve into a Donald Trump doppelganger.
OllyCromwell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well said.
PlankWithANailIn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as it extends the young virile 20 to 40 year period and not the old codger 65 to 80 period.
io7hazcookiez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Statistically, the first human to live to 150 has already been born. Good luck.
ero_senin05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of feel like technology is coming to a stand still thanks to the modern global economy. Technology that can really help man kind is being under funded because investors are more interested in monetary profit than human advancement. They'll pump millions and millions into developing the next smartphone but put hardly anything into fusion energy.
sexy_bethany ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:15:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, that's been true for almost all of human history. I don't think the guys who invented say, the steam train, were doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, they were doing it so they could move their goods faster than competitors who had to use horse wagons or ships.
ero_senin05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point
sparkplug93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just in time to see the cool stuff, but peacing out before the nuclear war. I like this plan.
Dirte_Joe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bad thing is if life expectancy becomes 150+, chances are you'll either still be working at 130 years old, or hopefully have some serious luck with stocks to support yourself for the back half of your lifetime.
mrpiggywinkles52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If people are still fit to do it at that age it isn't a bad thing IMO. I'm still in school so my perspective is skewed but despite going out a lot during summer I think life would be very boring without school or work. The thought of retirement is terrifying because fuck knows what I'd do all day
inthyface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Titty Sprinkles nsfw
LittleBigKid2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not seeing what the future holds is really the most depressing part of having a limited lifespan.
DeemoBrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:34:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope we're still using the term "litty titty" by 2170.
GraveyardGuide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd have to figure out how to stop having kids at that point. The planet can barely handle us as it is!
Jaekash1911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for litty titty
jesacob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found that guy who wishes for 3 more wishes....
The_Octonion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the one hand, we'll be the last generation to die.
On the other hand, we're the last generation of humans to be the dominant intelligent life form on earth.
dollhousemassacre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a discussion with a guy at work about this. I think when it happens, it'll be in the form of nanobots, that repair or regenerate dying cells and it would probably be ridiculously expensive, keeping it away from the masses. That's not necessarily a bad thing, since a world population that effectively lives 2-3 times longer than normal would put a severe strain on natural resources. Also, nanotechnology could also garner a new type of virus/sickness with potentially devastating effects.
SolidCake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly who knows what life extending technology we might have by the 2070s. You might get what you wish for. Think about the medical technology we had 60 years ago compared to now
yoHatchet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:44 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people won't say it and I hate the thought of it as well. However if for the last 80 years the Nazi doctors had been left to do their human experiments who knows how far medicine would have come. I hate the thought of all those people dying but hypothetically medicine would be insane. Doctors won't say it but a lot of the advances we have today came from the Nazis research.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!
treemanman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
updoot for litty titty
using this
Deraek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donate to and talk constantly about SENS and you may be in luck.
colDelay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would make overpopulation worse.
Dowdly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think we're overpopulated?
curiousGambler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more likely climate change makes life on earth worse by 2080, let alone 2180, when humankind might not exist anymore.
Technology and science could achieve amazing things by then, if they aren't stopped by natural disasters, masses of starving refugees and war. It's a question of whether or not humans will be able to look at the long term and make drastic changes. That's not going very well so far, unfortunately.
AStrangeBrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would hate being 200+ years old, sure you could see all the new upgrades and advances to the world, but you'd be too frail to enjoy any of it. Being that old would be hell, I don't even really want to live past 110.
welcome_to_the_creek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
110, lol. I don't want to live past 60.
AStrangeBrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, yeah by the time I'm 60 (if I get there, the world is crazy) my mind may change. Maybe by then I'll be completely ready. 110 is about the farthest I'd really wanna go. Once I'm like 75 or 80 I'm giving up on health and just indulging in whatever substance I want. I'm just gonna gain a hundred pounds and die in my eighties.
molagbal33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you still not want to live that long even if you felt like a 40 year old? Because that's the goal.
AStrangeBrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I wouldn't. It may be cool to always see the advances but I would hate living forever. I'm not really scared of death, we all have to die. I don't see a point in trying to extend our lifespans past say, 100. I feel as though I'd get bored after a while and just be ready to clock out and call it a day.
randyleahy1987 ยท 8439 points ยท Posted at 13:51:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The steroid Olympics. So we can see crazy records being broken over and over
severed13 ยท 3331 points ยท Posted at 15:53:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bionic olympics
Seeing companies race to make the best prosthetics
The bionic steroid olympics
Putting the bionics on overdrive and watching world records get broken over and over again
A3A6 ยท 1469 points ยท Posted at 19:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel the bionic Olympic records will get a bit stagnant when the athletes entire body is just turned into a railgun projectile
thunderbuff ยท 906 points ยท Posted at 19:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't ask for this.
severed13 ยท 277 points ยท Posted at 20:26:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes those feels when all you wanted were prosthetics but they turn you into a 100m winning railgun.
the_arlen_midget ยท 445 points ยท Posted at 21:25:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Welcome back to the 2044 Summer Olympic games. If you're just joining us we are about to watch the faceoff of a cloned Joe Frazier, 1964 gold medal winner of the heavyweight division, against Leroy Mountain Dew Fidget Spinner, a solid railgun projectile.
zaMMs ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 21:34:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he hurt Joe Frazier. I think Joe IS hurt. Don King, Leroy's promoter right next to me is saying it. You may hear him. Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier! The heavyweight champion is taking the mandatory eight-count and Spinner is as poised as can be in a neutral corner!
_bieber_hole_69 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 00:31:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is...is he? Oh my god Richard he's prestiging!
sn4xchan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 01:19:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
BewareThePlatypus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's over!
Nadaac ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:21:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usain electro magnetic propelled bar of Aluminum
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:27:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but can it launch a 90kg projectile over 300 meters?
severed13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the body is the railgun
the mind is the bullet
im afraid we dont have any room
HarmlessEZE ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:24:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More augments Jansen.
lukasimons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but Trexler did
croutonianemperor ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 21:13:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There would be some rules and regulations
A3A6 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 20:38:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pussy
srukta ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aerodynamics
assidragon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:56:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do what we must because we can!
Kolegra ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So is that shotput or javelin throw? Long jump? Maybe 100m sprint?
A3A6 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:01:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all of them simultaneously
Also if it's aimed well enough it can be archery
wonton_burrito_field ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:44:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bionic Olympics? Those schmucks would have lasted 5 minutes in the old roboleagues.
partyinmypants69420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The companies' scientists will meld with A.I. and take neutropics in a race to create the perfect bionic athlete railgun projectiles and it will all be timed from beginning to end to determine winners.
UncleTogie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:29:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, no. Not again.
CaptainBoat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:39:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"And next, you'll say the Pitchomatic 5000 was just a modified howitzer"
Some_Weeaboo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:12:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they made a railgun projectile and called it a competitor.
OriginalDogan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM BULLET BILL INCARNATE WOOOOOOOOOO
Orisi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, because you're not allowed to use non-body parts in the start line.
Your body becomes the railgun, and your head on some wheels becomes the projectile. The wheels are purely so you can do a victory lap.
hyperblaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll need reasonable rules in place. The track will still be circular, so no railguns. Restricted to two appendages pushing against the ground and self contained energy source. This disallows jet engines for propulsion, but gas turbine engines for power generation are allowed. There will be weight and height classes (measured with the runner lying down, but bionics in active position).
aqf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but then we'll have invented a faster railgun.
PennyLisa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:25:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bah, soft. Just turn them into particles and accelerate them in the LHC.
savviosa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This meta sucks
latenightresearch ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:58:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybathlon
severed13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:59:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that but on steroids
mhocalate ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:00:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other side of this, adding a normal person to all Olympic events for reference.
riffraff100214 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Selected at random, of course.
Croned ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:35:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But where do you draw the line between bionics that utilize wheels and just putting someone in a go-kart? How do you draft rules that exclude some designs but not others?
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:46:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same way a lot of rules are made for sports, try your best to make good rules and then adapt as you go. If someone finds a new technique that doesn't break the rules but is determined against the spirit of the sport, make a new rule.
tannimfodder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd probably have to do something similar to what most car racing organizations do, since they already have something like that.
Insxnity ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Usain just runs like normal
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:48:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad timing since he came third in a race recently
MikulAphax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a man run the 100m with the legs of a kangaroo and the heart of a leopard. He runs so fast he disappears like the car from back to the future, reappears at the finish line as an old man, shouts, "Beware China", and turns to dust.
Orisi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Mock The Week fan.
Colopty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a good way to get banned from the zoo.
Poppa_Mo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just kinda typed shit as it evolved in your mind, didn't ya?
severed13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How'd you guess, luv?
Poppa_Mo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My brain is the same.
severed13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:20:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice
Tomnnn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:07:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To piggy back off this...
Affordable, elective bionic prosthetic replacements for our fleshy bits. I want to discard my left foot and replace it with something useful.
severed13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep definitely.
If I can ever get my eyes replaced with something more useful I'm going right for it.
Same thing with any internal organs definitely.
I'd be considering limbs if this became possible too.
Tomnnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's crazy to me that people are against stuff like that.
severed13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:21:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree with people who are against it, but I see where they're coming from.
If you're into the lore of Deus Ex you can find out a lot about stuff like this, it does a fairly good job at looking into it.
Tomnnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully we don't need drugs to keep our mechanical limbs healthy :P
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just make the robot olympics?
iamthelonelybarnacle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:20:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanoid robots aren't good enough yet. A lot of the robots I've seen have trouble staying upright e.g. Asimo falling down stairs, the security bot that drowned itself, some military explorer bot that flipped itself. For now we need humans in control of the prosthetics.
ThatFuh_Qr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Forget humanoid robots. Just have companies go all out with purpose designed machines in various different competitions. Robot wars with car sized robots. Drone dogfighting. Unmanned car races. Rocket trickshot competitions.
EI_Doctoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't that be bionic overclock?
Fire_is_beauty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget genetic modification.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Japan dominates once again
EXPOchiseltip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, overclocking the bionics? Neat. Better make awesome heat syncs and liquid cooling!
BIueVeins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might be the best way to fund cybernetic enhancements.
BeastlyChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm waiting for it to happen, and you know it will, the first person to voluntarily have their legs/arms replaced for robot parts.
severed13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Psst
hey
fuck you me firstttt
bluetaquitos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck that sounds amazing.
alpinetime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've seen it, he's in jail now
Colopty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just the paralympics.
Mouse-Keyboard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's already a thing.
wizard7926 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bio-lympics
sufferforscience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genetic olympics
Seeing companies race to make babies with hideous mutations that make them into elite athletes
The bionic genetic steroid olympics
Engineering genetically modified babies that live only to put their bionics on overdrive and watching world records get broken over and over again
b-doggiedog ยท 561 points ยท Posted at 18:00:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As Daniel Tosh once said "we deserve the best athletes science can provide". It would be a lot of fun to watch.
davidredsox ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 20:49:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One question: why would this be fun, exactly? To me, it would just be watching people slowly kill themselves by constantly injecting steroids. I can't wrap my head around it, honestly.
bolunez ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 21:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think about the advances in medical technology it might bring. Super advanced prosthetics, for example.
Technical_Machine_22 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 23:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all the bad the Nazis did, they advanced medical knowledge quite a bit. Of course, it's all things like " Can the Russians survive their harsh winter because of their genetics? Well, we locked some Russians in a freezer and we can confidently say they froze to death at the same rate as the Austrians."
Rph23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was that a mengele thing? I know he was obsessed with gene experiments
davidredsox ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, sure, but isn't there a point where you see some guy who looks like the Joker from Arkham Asylum (probably not as extreme but same idea) and you think: "Wow, we have really pushed this wayyyyyyyyy too far"?
Tyloo1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that if someone has been properly educated on the risks and benefits of partaking in such activities and still decided to choose to partake that there is no reason to not let that person do as they please.
b-doggiedog ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 21:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heck if they want to destroy themselves let them do it. To me it would be the equivalent of making a superhuman. I'm not just talking drugs, I'm talking full scientific enhancement. Imagine what we could gain, muscle enhancement could go a long way for degenerative diseases; also think of the military advancements: soldiers that can run farther, jump higher, require less sleep, able to withstand austere environments with less protection. It would amazing.
RuinedYourPost ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:59:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really would amazing.
PleaseDontMindMeSir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:33:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many people dying on live TV during the marathon would be worth it though?
Blood doping massively increases the risk of a heart attack, and strokes.
Combined with steroid use and some peoples insane win at any cost attitude, it would become a death show.
BurningKarma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About tree fiddy
passwordforgeterer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We see some of it now, honestly. And it's kind of sad. You don't usually get to elite levels by starting all of this stuff in adulthood. You start as a young teenager, or earlier, and keep going, and the effects on your body are things that are really hard to both know and understand as applying to you when you're 13. And the people making the decisions aren't necessarily the kids - it's often the parents/home country.
hello4200 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is fun, i want to watch the highest level that can be done, i dont care that it is unhealthy
Morlaak ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:10:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would mean seeing people achieving mind-blowing things and demonstrating how far humans can go.
But yeah, doing this as a constant would be awful. At best, I'd like to see it as a one off.
The_Octonion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:12:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's better, a league where 2/3 of the athletes are doping to some degree and 20% will eventually be caught, or one where 100% are doing it legally and the entire sport is being broadcast at its most competitive human level? Keep the baseline league but add an enhanced one for those who value legacy over their own testicles.
sixth_snes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:55:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember the arm wrestling scene from "The Fly" (1986)? I imagine all of the events would be kind of like that.
joyu123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found Daniel Tosh.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if V8 can afford Olympics commercials.
[deleted] ยท 219 points ยท Posted at 18:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DoneAlreadyDone ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but without cheating.
PanTran420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:57:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beat me to it.
icos211 ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 17:42:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So.... The regular olympics?
CoolLordL21 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 18:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, except people won't have to cycle off for drug tests.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:49:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't cycle off, there is medication that basically "hides" traces of drugs in your urine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sauce? Hard to mask some chemicals when they can just take a blood sample.
TheGodSlay3r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:43:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/6s044r/long_read_extremely_insightful_interview_on_peds/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=user&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=frontpage
Lemme know what you think
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh yes, of course. There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they donโt excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. Iโve created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers."
this is dope, im going to keep reading thank you!
jf_ftw ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:23:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like half the weight lifters got popped from 2008, so we already have that
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:38:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly can't imagine any olympian in a physical sport not being on steroids of some sort. Half the dudes at the university gym are taking steroids, so it's not like they're hard to get. And it's not too hard to pass a drug test - you can either just not take drugs for some time before competition, or some people have genes that make them not register on drug tests.
RefreshRedditAllDay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And there are certain drugs that are very fast acting and incredibly hard to test for; see testosterone suspension
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
same for tren and other roids. but im fine with them taking whatever as long as everyone stops pretending that michael phelps is some kind of god who has never taken shit
atomicllama1 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 19:00:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The norml olympics is the steroid olympics. There is a reason people get popped in every single sport. People are either on legal roids or less that legal all the way to banned stuff. This isnt to say all athletes are but its a large part of any top level competitive sports.
cattleyo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:09:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once AICAR finally gets tested for we'll see an awful lot of current Olympians get busted.
atomicllama1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then it will switch to something else.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They tested for AICA in the tour de france 2009, i hope that WADA tests for it (lmao like WADA isnt corrupt as fuck though).
mikewoodz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:13:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drunk Olympics as well, we can see people fall over and over
tesla1889 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I give you... drunk soccer!
Goly-Old-Digger-Nick ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 17:56:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have that lol
BloodyWanka ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 18:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost. athletes have to cycle to avoid testing positive for banned substances. If they were able to be open about it, they would be able to maximize their use.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but cycling is also beneficial for some sports. Cruising can cause health complications, including reducing your natural testosterone production, so in many ways cycling is a more sustainable long term strategy anyway.
drdenjef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you people mean actually riding a bike as cycling? Or am i missing something here.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:25:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, steroid cycles. Take steroids for like 3-6 months, then not taking them for the next 3-6 months. So that way you can pack on muscle and train harder, then be clean for drug tests.
drdenjef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh and cruising is just keep taking them?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:18:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/steroids in a word
farendsofcontrast ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:33:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boy if you thought the present Olympic athletes weren't juicing... not all steroids make you buff and muscular
_Vic_Romano_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:33:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does anyone remember the all drug olympics on SNL?
Wryle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"He's ripped his arms off!" My favorite skit ever!
ghstfcekillah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to make sure this was posted, thank you!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blue mountain state did it better haha
irmajerk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:36:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought the 100m sprint would be a lot more fun to watch if it were down a 55 degree incline into the level runoff area. And landing it would ve been as impressive as fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shiet, make the gradient slowly rise for a 100M sprint so that the last 10 meters are a 11% gradient
irmajerk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:22:42 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, man. Downhill!
shibbyknibby ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope nope nope.
This is the first step on the slippery slope to the GELF revolution. We don't want that shit.
Before we know it, we'll be Blood Dome fighting for our lives against creatures that are just a pair of arms and legs attached to solid muscle mass, genetically designed to fight for days on end without stopping...
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"...and then we never saw dad again"
bitter_truth_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:51:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give steroids or cocaine to NFL players. And swords. And switch the ball with a live grenade. And add some clowns running randomly into the field so we can see how fast these beasts really are. Unlike football today, I'd actually watch this.
RefreshRedditAllDay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd wager over 90% of NFL players are already on steroids, and that's being generous.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
too generous, i bet the only ones off it are the third string.
to be fair, you cant fucking play pro football without steroids. the recovery would be INSANE when you get smashed into the floor by 300lb lineman on the weekly. fuck that, let them roid
RefreshRedditAllDay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:39:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are other sports federations outside of the US drug tested at the top level? It's so taboo in the US as it is with them being illegal, but I know the US is also one of if not the only country that deems posession and use of AAS illegal.
I've just recently gotten into researching them as I've considered taking some myself. It is just absolutely eye opening how people believe professional athletes are natural. My eye is pretty good now and I can identify a user at the gym usually just by looking at them, even if they're not abnormally huge or even big at all it's not hard to tell. People think I'm full of shit, I confront the guy politely asking if he's taking anything and 90% of the time they'll let me know what they're on. Steroid users love talking about them, and the 10% that just said "creatine and protein man haha" are the guys who just don't want to get in trouble, or they are instagram fake nattys.
I remember seeing a video not long ago where 300-400 olympians tested negative for PED use, their urine samples were kept and put through a different and more advanced test a year or two later and every single one of them popped.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:29:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually going to being doing a Tren/Testosterone cycle later this month, so I'm learning more and more about the doping culture and the reality that athletes face. Which olympics was that? AFAIK WADA oversees most pro-sports
RefreshRedditAllDay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's an article of one instance. Seems there are plenty more if you search around.
Don't take too much tren. All the guys I've known who have taken it take fucking retarded doses, like 750mg/week. Is this going to be your first ever cycle? If not what was your first? I'm thinking about just running Test E between 500-600mg/week for ~12 weeks, I'm curious about what kind of gains I can expect. I'm already pretty big and strong at 5'10" 220lbs; 315 bench, 385 squat, 545 deadlift. I've seen before and after posts where people who had similar lifts to me only added maybe 10lbs to all their lifts, and then I've seen people who had similar numbers add over 100lbs on each lift.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn son. I'm 5'11 and 178. First cycle, it will be low-mid dose Tren along with test for ~3 months, injections twice a week. My first cycle and my new roomate is experienced with using it so I'm reading up more and more on it. Tren ace is usually mild side effects, roommate said the night sweats are the main issue.
RefreshRedditAllDay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I bet if you eat and train hard you can get up to 210 without gaining much fat. My buddy who used tren said when he used it he was injecting it twice a day most days, said because of the short ester he had to inject more often...
Good luck man, looking forward to seeing your progress! Stay safe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be super happy at 190 with 12-14%. I'll update ya some day! Good luck to you too
CC2804 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:14:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hop, skip and where-the-fuck-did-he-go
Dong_Hung_lo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:18:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you'll find that's the current Olympics. Some athletes just cover it up better than others. Steroids have a strength gain of 60%, there's no way someone who wasn't juicing could compete with someone who was. We don't see that big a gap between athletes who are caught juicing and athletes who don't because they are all juicing... most don't get caught. Hiding your athletes drug tests is a big part of coaching.
Someryguy10 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:48:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most Olympians are already are on steroids. They are undetectable designer drugs.
Edit: since the downvote brigade is out in force today. tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/
puddyboy28 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:22:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
don't know why your getting down voted maybe because people don't like hearing the truth.
A can tell you this. most top level professional cyclists are doping that includes your hero's and your favorites.
source: I am in pro cycling industry.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:45:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's bizarre how many people are unaware of steroid use. I can kind of understand bicyclists, because they aren't putting on crazy amounts of mass so there's no visible signs of use. But I know a lot of people, even weightlifters, who think that loads of bodybuilders who are clearly on steroids are natural. Of course, it's because they pretend to be natural to win competitions and sell supplements, but still, it's not that hard to see through.
puddyboy28 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:59:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was interesting to actually meet some pro level cyclists and hear stories of what they knew and saw. Then then whole lance thing was going on as well. They really just made an example out of him and he was an easy target. Sooooooo many guys do it and its very easy to be clean for day of the tour of whatever it is at the time.
a clif notes version of what I was told by a pro cyclist... you dope dope dope pretty much max out your body. then you go clean and turn down your training and wait..your body retains that power/muscle memory for quite some time long enough for a 1-3 day or a few week cycling tour .. and now there are drugs to "clean you" essentially even a complete blood transfusion even with stronger enhanced blood that cant be detected. (kind of like someone who has genetics better than yours at that molecular level) so now your body for 1 or 2 months of straight doping is x100 times stronger than that of your opponents and is "clean". your body still has the feeling and effect of the dope built into the muscles which could never be as strong or function like that naturally.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but during the race they still have to keep hematocrit levels below 50% and so taking things like EPO you have to use before the race, and its harder to use during...but totally doable lol
VediusPollio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always thought it should be mandatory for pro athletes to take steroids, so I support your steroid Olympics idea.
gelosmelo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be DOPE! literally
FREETHEZOLTAN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So.....The Olympics?
Unexpected_Santa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't be safe, people would just keep pushing themselves over with drugs and either overworking themselves or breaking themselves.
Anthony780 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that basically the World's Strongest Man competition? I heard they don't test for PEDs
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much any weightlifting or bodybuilding competition. Even with natural bodybuilding competitions all the competitors have taken drugs before. (Except for local competitions with like 5 competitors and a $15 prize.)
Demo_Model ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amusingly, a lot of the 'natural bodybuilding' athletes fall into what people call 'technically natural'. They could have run gear for years and years and then cycle off for the competition.
Also, many will still be on steroids when actual competition rolls around. They either:
Have very expensive 'designer steroids' which can't be detected.
Simply don't get tested. They can't afford to test everyone.
Do really, really drastic things to hide their positive results like reverse-cathetering to pass a pee test. Yes. Literally filling up their bladder, through their dick, with clean urine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I hate how people say that since they didn't inject today they're natty. Like come on man, you don't lose all your muscle after a brief break.
Never heard of reverse cathetering, that's just insane...
Demo_Model ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:13:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, learned about it from John Romano's articles, he is professional who helps athletes beat tests. Here are some of his articles:
https://www.t-nation.com/powerful-words/crossfit-and-steroids
https://www.t-nation.com/pharma/beating-the-crossfit-drug-test
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, John Romano has some great stuff. Thanks for the links, hadn't read that before.
owningmclovin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see an Olympics where humans compete against other animals. Like a 100 meter dash where humans, dogs, deer, cheetahs barracudas, and rabbits.
Fudgms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch strongman and powerlifting.
Or the regular Olympics, really.
rudekoffenris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did that in a show from the 80s called Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. Was pretty funny, i'm afraid to go look now because it was would be all so hokey.
hockeyjim07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THANK YOU! I mean fuck it, lets go unrestricted and push these things to the max and let the none dopers have ACTUAL competition.
haveyouevrseenallama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ketamine Olympics
see-bees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Less than you think. the drop in home runs in major league baseball correlates much more closely to amphetamines being banned than the end of the steroids era. Little more pep, increases your focus for hours on end. They do stay nice and traceable in your system for a decent while though.
sage1700 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello Tim.
The_Wise_King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, todays olympics
thatserver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we can see people die...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have been saying this for years! It would clear up the normal Olympics. Let's see what a fully jacked up human can do!
We'd have the special, normal, and super Olympics. I can only image what a rugby match full of roided out men would be like. I would pay to watch that.
tlux95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You missed it. They already did it in the 80's.
downonthesecond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd prefer a Harrison Bergeron future.
linnux_lewis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already is that way...
unimpressed_llama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One problem I see with this is the "natural" world records are kind of undermined by the steroid records.
WonkyTelescope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only to see the "natural" Olympics having better records in 60% of competitions because of increased injury rates in steroid Olympics. Checkmate atheists.
DoneAlreadyDone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I call it the Dopeolympics
Dopolympics?
S0CIOPATH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Olympics? We have that already.
jungl3j1m ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SNL did a thing on that.
Fire2box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if everyone's on the same steroids the playing field would be even.
blahblahrasputan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a fantastic book Aliens: Genocide (Alien series) where they explore this a little at the beginning of the story. They find out the queen jelly makes for a superhuman drug and they start using in the Olympics, which they are hosting in a post war world trying to reunite countries after much decimation from Alien infestation on earth.
It's in my top 10 favourite sci-fi books for unique solving of problems such as how they deal with the infestation, how they deal with acid, how they deal with genetic deviation. Very clever for such a short book in an overdone series and genre.
CapitalGGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SNL did a skit on the 'All Drug Olympics.'
You'd like it.
SubParNoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah on a similar vein it would be cool to see individual liberty reach the point where we bring back the gladitor fighting pits. Possibly with an 80+ age limit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think there isn't any doping at the olympics you're in for a big surprise.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i see people saying shit like going to another solar system or getting unlimited energy, then just you wanting to see some nutter off his rocker running the 100m then crumbling to dust
MiserableLurker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"... And the agony... Of defeat..."
guy's bowling ball sized biceps explode, one then, the other, allowing the car he's bench pressing to crush the bench then, fall through the stage...
2d_active ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So basically the normal Olympics but nobody has to hide it anymore.
Otherside19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah...that's just called the Olympics around here.
Soviet_Russia321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember seeing a comment somewhere about wanting to keep the regular Olympics dignified and drug-free and pure, but wanting a second set of competitions where basically it's a free-for-all, do whatever you want to win kind of thing. Just to see the full extent a human body can be pushed to in any way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thaaaaats the Olympics now, if you think those athletes are natural then you need to do some reading
squiznard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the same token, sports will be hella exciting when robotics reaches a high enough level for robots to play and excel at, say, basketball.
Imagine LeBot dunking on weak-ass machinery, Steph Circuitry draining 3s, and KawhiRobot doing everything.
The coaching team would be a bunch of engineers and scientists working to create the perfect team.
kiddhitta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're basically already there. It's no secret athletes are on steroids. They either haven't been caught or they're not winning so no one cares.
dawgz525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd soon see the pinnacle of human performance, but along the way I imagine it'd just be a litany of broken bodies and ruined lives. Not sure if that's worth it
ReadItWithSarcasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can die now...
all drug olympics
bognote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:08:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally
BloodAndBroccoli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pretty much got that already
Pisano87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:55:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh got some news for you. Real olympics is pretty much this.
dollhousemassacre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:11:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see that too, but I think the amount of deaths from overdoses would be ridiculous. Athletes have to take what they can get away with to not get caught; imagine if there was no regulation.
BeansofHorror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already the steroid Olympics.
StrongmanSamson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:12 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we allow technology (chemistry, bionics etc) to modify sports too much, what's the point?
A Ferrari can go faster than any person filled with the best drugs or a bionic leg. Nobody could jump higher than the height where airplanes fly. Any artillery could shoot any shell a lot further than a person with super muscles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yes.
MuhBack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have the NFL
Lochtide7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:11:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have never seen the US Olympic athletes?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Olympics
Sauc3_Boss ยท 23696 points ยท Posted at 15:25:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A functioning Reddit search function
Edit: To all you bitches saying "just use google" or to enter some other shit, that is not a functioning search function.
jenso2k ยท 20913 points ยท Posted at 16:55:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least be a little realistic
PeaceInExile ยท 987 points ยท Posted at 17:46:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Like creating a youth serum that will see an end to death in humans
Edit: death by age is what I meant. My bad
Gambit_DH ยท 311 points ยท Posted at 18:32:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, in that universe we might eventually be able to search things on reddit.
DoneLikeASir ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 18:42:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still too hopeful.
Sam-Gunn ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 19:48:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, ok. Then how about world peace? That's more obtainable, right?
DoneLikeASir ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 20:22:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that'll be easier.
MisterAlexMinecraft ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:29:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, still a bit out there. How about FTL travel?
SethChrisDominic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:04:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took a job in the logistics and transportation industry about a month ago. We use a lot of abbreviations and such, so FTL stands for something else. I stared at your comment for longer than I'd like to admit, wondering "why is he under the impression that Full Truck-Load travel isn't something readily available today?"
It's been a long day, okay?
MisterAlexMinecraft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You genuinely made my day. Have an upvote and a coffee :) โ
PraxisLD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:39:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The search won't be any easier, you'll just have lots more time to look...
silviazbitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No connection. All it guarantees is that we'll have time to find them.
A-noni-mouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't even get me started on where they keep hiding my fucking spectacles.
IronicPlague ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:40:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be hell, considering that overpopulation would occur. AND it could be used as a weapon to kidnap people.
Inteli_Gent ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:42:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes you immortal and, and lowers your fertility to negligible levels. People would still have children, but very, very rarely.
dynomite4444 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:27:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But everyone would try, all the time.
If there's a problem to have...
dfschmidt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:34:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
IronicPlague ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:05:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got confused and for some reason though "Youth Serum" meant becoming old, injecting it, and then become a kid again to relive life. :l
dfschmidt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even so, how would it be used as a weapon to kidnap people?
I mean, I can conceive of a situation where it could be used to enslave societies, but how could it be used to aid abduction of just a few individuals?
IronicPlague ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I explained already though, if you're a kid you're weak af. All someone has to do is hold you down, inject that crap, and boom.
dfschmidt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't explain it as well as you think. With your now-stated intent, this would have come across a lot better:
PeaceInExile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be hell but an interesting movie
0x6A7232 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go watch the movie In Time if you want to know what happens after that. ..
PeaceInExile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:31:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will do
Punthusiast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:29:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death is the only serum to that Problem. Kill everyone and no one will ever die again!
PeaceInExile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darkly accurate
Punthusiast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:11 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty damn light hearted if you see it from the earths perspective. Plenty of fertilizer and no more purposeful pollution. Then again, our main goal could be to find ways to bring life back to dead planets. The Bringers of Life. Kinda has a nice ring to it.
PeaceInExile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:30 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like an awesome series of young adult books about interstellar travel.
But you have a point about the light hearted thing. I guess it really is all about perspective.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:18:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be the most horrible thing to happen to society in a long time.
From population boom to older people having an absolute majority in everything and all the unforeseen circumstances that will arise.
Geopolitical pressures would exponentially grow and war would be all over the place in no time.
You'd be able to run virus growth style simulations to see how fucked we are.
Peter7ave ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:20:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A youth serum being invented and the same people being in charge for even longer is what keeps me up at night
PeaceInExile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said it would make us immortal. Car wrecks, murder, natural disasters, illness, and idiocy are all still possibly fatal.
But you still make a good point
Edit: yes I did my bad
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
66% in underdeveloped and 90% in the western world deaths are of old age.
And well, if it's a youth serum, a lot of age related illnesses won't matter anymore either so that number will go up even more.
Having a huge population boom before we fix our planet and our resource issues will be disastrous.
We're already in a situation where we have over 2ce as many births per year as we have deaths. We're already heading towards a situation we have no idea of how to deal with it. Ending natural death will just make way for death trough war, famine, etc then.
PeaceInExile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. This is mostly news to me. I guess it would have to make most people sterile too then. Or regulations on procreation would have to be instated. Maybe a youth serum would be a bad idea after all. Not that I'd care I'm looking forward to being old. That way I won't be seen as unambitious, just old.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:43:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New procedure lengthens human telomeres, opening avenues for future anti-aging treatments. Procedure is novel in how the effects are transient- the telomere lengthening is limited and can be repeated multiple times.
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/2tffxc/new_procedure_lengthens_human_telomeres_opening/
PeaceInExile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That is some sci-fi stuff there
AliveByLovesGlory ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get ready for the population to double very rapidly.
z500 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:54:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god no, then we're stuck with the same shitheads forever.
Myxomitosis87 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:42:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're the one who forgot to put the [serious] tag.
Edit: I'm stupid
lphaas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's OP
FionnMcPeake ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:08:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah people need to stop taking the piss and treat the question with a bit of respect
_Fudge_Judgement_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:04:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Op forgot to mark the thread "Serious". Ignore the troll.
MegaFanGirlin3D ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got gilded a few months ago and decided to finally check out /r/lounge. There is a thread from 7 fucking years ago where some guy begs the admins to start using the money from reddit gold to make the site better.
Absolutely none of the things the mentioned in the thread have been done. And at least one admin was responding to comments in the thread as well.
x3w3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was meant to be sarcastic
marsshadows ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
colonize a star system in andromeda galaxy
KellsUser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about a subreddit description/rules link, at the top of the page? For mobile users (like myself), it would save a lot of time and hassle.
Metallkiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to have a girlfriend some day.
colovick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think searching for a title that was on the front page yesterday would pull up relatively high in the search basically, but nope. You get 30 things ranging from a week old to 4 years ago and maybe find what you want around item 146. Just Google it. You'll get the result you want about 90% of the time
GA_Thrawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad that using Google is a more effective way to site search Reddit
ExtremelyLongButtock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:32:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity will have come and gone, and there will be no biological humans left, but reddit will still be around and people will still be using their brain-keyboards to type "site:www.reddit.com" into google to find a post that was on the frontpage 30 minutes ago.
YummyGummyDrops ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:07:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who gave this gold?
ryandunking ยท 581 points ยท Posted at 16:33:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One that functions?
DopeRakeOfficial ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 17:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preferably functional, too.
shotgun_ninja ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:50:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'd like it if it functioned, too.
GorillaJuiceOfficial ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:57:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if it's a functional one as well.
DopeRakeOfficial ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:00:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functionality would be an added bonus.
doctor-5000 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:00:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if I can tack on another idea within the scope of the question, but I'd actually be interested in seeing a search function.
Culinarytracker ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:29:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, one of the features I'd like to see added is functionality.
raybrignsx ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:52:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A little f(x) would go a long way.
SzaboZicon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets add some functionality at it please.
raybrignsx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we have to set a limit some where. Let's not be barbarians.
dynomite4444 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I mean, as long a it functions a little I should be good to go. Send it.
SzaboZicon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as its functioning functionally with full functions, I feel the functionality will be well received.
Trajer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy functions
Indie_uk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functions well?
physalisx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it needs to function
Appetite4destruction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. A function that functions functioningly.
TheJollyLlama875 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. Nowadays, as long as you remember key words you can find what you're looking for, but back when I started coming here like eight years ago you could type the exact title of a front page post into the search bar and it wouldn't come up.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:30:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NotGloomp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:11:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It only looks for words in the title and description. Using a site:reddit.com google is a better search engine.
Also, don't use it only for finding posts they've already seen.
ACoderGirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:57:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google is great in general, but it seems to have little or no understanding of post karma. It's so easy to search for something that you know should have some big threads but Google ends up listing some minor threads first. You'd think that all else equal, the karma would be akin to having links to a page (ie, it should impact the Google page rank).
2_PPL_USE_THIS_ACCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scroll down slightly....
cmkinusn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking to the other guy on your account?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:17:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, i never really understood the whole reddit search function thing. Seems to work perfectly fine.
OscarElNana ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But OP said in our lifetime....
elpajaroquemamais ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A priest had been very loyal and humble his entire life and began earnestly speaking out loud to God. He said, "Lord, I've been good and have followed your word, and I expect nothing in return, but if you feel gracious enough, I have a request."
A blinding shiny light appeared before the priest and before him stood God. "What is it I can do for you my child?" He asked terrifyingly.
"God, I've always wanted to go to Hawaii, but I've never flown and am afraid to. I would really like it if there were a bridge so I could drive over there on my next vacation."
God responded,"I can do that. I can. But it would really take away from all this beauty I have spent all this time creating. Is there anything else you would rather have?"
The priest thought for a second and said,"Actually, I would like a fully functional reddit search function."
God quickly responded,"Did you want that bridge to be 2 lanes or 4 lanes?"
dusmeyedin ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few years back, the reddit April fools was a slider that allowed you to see reddit millions of years in the past or future.
Even at the heat death of the universe, reddit had not gotten its search function together.
Mundus2018 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:39:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/stuck_in_the_matrix shameless plug?
Stuck_In_the_Matrix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The back-end is basically rewritten and complete. Every submission and comment is searchable. Elasticsearch backend endpoints are accessible publicly for anyone who wants to write an amazing front-end. It's fast, efficient and can search anything!
https://api.pushshift.io/reddit/submission/search/?q=trump&sort_type=num_comments&sort=desc&fields=title,full_link,subreddit,score,num_comments
wisebloodfoolheart ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:36:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wish there were a way to find new subreddits without waiting until I randomly hear about them through word of mouth. Like if the admin of the subreddit could apply a basic tag like 'darkhumor' or 'academic' or 'supportive'.
canaryhawk ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:21:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with Google?
GreenPhoennix ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 17:43:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing inherently wrong with Google but it'd be damn good to have something function on the site, it'd be convenient.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:16:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bboyjkang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love these extensions to quickly " Google site:www/com" on a current webpage.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/search-the-current-site/jliolpcnkmolaaecncdfeofombdekjcp/reviews
Search Site 7.0
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/search-site/
SpargusIV ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 17:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I wish we had cars"
"What's wrong with horses?"
Jackass
siliconwolf13 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:47:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't think that's a wholly accurate connection, because horses aren't several times faster and efficient than cars, like Google is to Reddit search.
SpargusIV ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't understand the analogy.
Horses are the status quo: an unfunctional Reddit search and a decent google workaround
Cars are the potential replacement: a functional Reddit search and a now unnecessary google workaround
ACoderGirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:00:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cars are better for transportation, just like how Google is better for general web searching. But I'm sure you can imagine that some people still want to ride or take care of horses. While Google has a nice search, reddit has the ability to add features specific to the site that Google isn't gonna do. Not to mention that if there's a search bar on a site, you'd expect it to work.
elpajaroquemamais ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's how we got mules.
ExtremelyLongButtock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I was visiting my uncle's ranch, one of his horses got out of its enclosure in the night. They wrangled it back in in the morning and we figured that was that. A few months later I start noticing I'm getting worse gas mileage. Took it to the shop, they couldn't find anything wrong, so I figured maybe I was just driving like an asshole.
About a month after that, the thing stalls at a stop sign (on my way to a job interview, of course), a console light comes on saying "labor", and 45 minutes later a mule squeezed its way right out of my exhaust pipe.
The horse fucked my car and got it pregnant. The fetus was just gestating there in my gas tank all those months, not contributing a dime to my increasingly frequent fillups. I didn't even think my car could get pregnant because it was already a hybrid, which supposedly means it's sterile (guess again, Toyota), but I was at least thinking quickly enough to take pictures of it as it happened.
Luckily it was still under warranty and they paid to have it slaughtered and butchered, so I got a few incredible batches of chili out of the whole thing. Gimme 10 minutes or so to dig up the pictures and the chili recipe... I was irritated at the time but looking back on it, it was actually quite beautiful.
elpajaroquemamais ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is amazing
The_White_Light ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's wrong with jackasses?
Horses.
kmsilent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't search my own history.
XPEric ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google: 'inurl:reddit.com query'
VaderFan2187 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That will never happen.
leftofzen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:54:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it is. You can specify websites in google like so "site:reddit.com coconut tifu" and this will use Google's search engine instead of Reddit's.
Sauc3_Boss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
on reddit...
mullownium ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Site:reddit.com whatever-you-want-to-search-for
Enter that into Google, and you're golden
brandon181062 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I google what I'm looking for and add Reddit to the end
smilbandit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was going to do this, but someone beat me to it.
http://searchreddit.com/
teddyroo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google search "site:reddit.com/r/(whatever_sub) (keywords)"
fanofchipotle_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait can you elaborate? Does it not work properly?
Iwantoridemybicycle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:55:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with looking for a post on reddit is that you search posts by titles and titles sometimes make no reference at all to the post.
Take this post from wtf for example
If you wanted to look it up in the future but couldn't remember the title, typing in stuff that has to do with the picture isn't gonna turn up anything because the title is kind of just a punchline.
That's why its hard to search for stuff on reddit.
awesomekid06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feels like I'm the only one where it works for me.
MValqui ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said achievements not miracles lol
Cydanix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like a functioning mobile reddit
CharlotteCracker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, didn't they update the search function a few months ago?
It actually works well enough for me tbh.
-I_RAPE_THE_DEAD- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A functioning function?
Seems unlikely.
Likethespice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In your defense, OP did not use the "serious replies only" tag.
Kaatman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus Christ I've been looking for this one comment for, like, 6 years now? Fucking useless Reddit search.
mitzimitzi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
y'no there's google right?
CanadianHoser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? I use it often and it functions fine .
Danieldefault ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you really need to search for repost of cute puppies? Because I do! :)
MoarDoor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The technology just isn't there yet"
Sbaker777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never had an issue. The search on mobile works great. You guys don't even Boolean.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear disarmament is more likely in our lifetime.
kukkuzejt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A top notch reddit search function probably exists for admin use only. But they will not release it becasue they know people will post and comment less if they see how good and far-reaching a search function can be.
an0nemusThrowMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're not even going to try...
SueZbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... and it doesn't find the Reddit -- emphasis on Reddit -- post for which we're looking -- the one being talked about over the water cooler at work.
altaltaltpornaccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here for this or half life 3
CaptainBlagbird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Posts should be able to be tagged by users with keywords about the content. This would make searching way easier.
taleofbenji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working search engines are still science fiction, bro. /s
Happy-Tears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:25:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed far too much over this. Good point mate.
Crank2047 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:28:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it, it works fine for me.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MrDrProfessor299 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:47:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's retarded logic, tons of subreddits have rules which explicitly say search before posting. The search function helps defeat clutter and from one type of post getting made over and over
sceptix1337 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its called Google.
tigerking615 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or servers
AssFuckMyGapingAnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft....OP next time put a SERIOUS tag. We getting ridiculous answers like this that'll never come true
Chrisos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft, this is not achievable by man, we need aliens to come to our rescue for a task this big! :)
VPee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sir are not "Reddit". And "your" life time doesn't not imply "Reddit's". Reddit will go to the grave without a functional search.
gillyboatbruff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used it the other day, and got the result I was looking for. I was as shocked as you are.
FreeTheL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google "site:reddit.com [whatever you want to search about]"
hunterjasonm1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There it's called Google
thanthenpatrol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is one. It's called Google.
i_made_a_poo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't use Google?
the_wurd_burd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it just google? Typing in reddit and a couple keywords works for me most of the time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have that. It's called Google
whait ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When this comes up, why is the Google option never mentioned? It's not like every new internet user automatically knows about using Google to search Reddit.
ihadtripsss ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go to google then enter Site:www.reddit.com ______ and enter your search terms by the blank.
lubeskystalker ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Site:reddit.com/subreddit your search terms
ggyujjhi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:43:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fair and not politically biased Reddit.
Lfalias ยท 6804 points ยท Posted at 13:48:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleaning up the earth. Getting the whole world on clean energy.
crnext ยท 89 points ยท Posted at 16:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets start with the plastic stew that's happening in our ocean currents while we're at it. K?
what_an_edge ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:08:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.theoceancleanup.com/
Probably the most viable way to do it so far. you can donate to the cause
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 21:51:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not good, at all. The best way to help stop the plastic from coming into the ocean is to cheapen the production of biopolymers, and tax the production of other polymers
Rogue__Jedi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:17:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the polymer miners of West Virginia rely on the continued use of polymer. Biopolymers will put 10 families out of work.
Make polymers great again.โข
what_an_edge ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 04:58:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whats wrong with cleaning up the waste that's already out there? Biopolymers aren't going to clean up already existing plastic
jyanjyanjyan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:52:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you know how the screen might affect marine life? Just curious in case the info doesn't come up as I look into the project.
what_an_edge ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:56:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
from what I understand the collection method is done through passive concentration. The arms sweep plastic towards the center where a conveyor belt collects it. the arms aren't really nets, and they don't go that deep, so I don't think wildlife would really get caught up in it. Plus there are relatively few animals near the surface in the middle of the atlantic
Sklain ยท 53 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we'll see this in our lifetime.
ScootLif ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a report on fossil fuels and a geologist from 1885 said "that the amazing exhibition of oil was only a temporary and vanishing phenomenon-one which young men will live to see come to its natural end." He was off by a bit.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:25:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 17:16:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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aasteveo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:25:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't have to drill if you just invade a country and steal it.
jsg_nado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oil companies wont switch to renewables becayse they aren't as lucrative and simply don't provide enough power. Countries like the united states can't afford to give up fossil fuels yet because they wouldn't be able to power their country without it at the moment.
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:41:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying that the USA doesn't build renewable energy because it doesn't have enough already to power itself?
aasteveo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:31:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just that it's going to be a slow transition. About as slow as Google Fiber. They have to lay all that hardware. America is a big fucking place.
jsg_nado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, what aastevo said. Its not going to happen yet. It will take time.
Dead_Starks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But shouldn't those huge conglomerates realize renewables are the new fossil fuel and want to start transitioning their boatloads of money to a product that they can afford to create infrastructure for, and is going to keep them in business for theoretically ever? I'm sorry if this seems like a stupid question but it really seems like the obvious choice given the alternatives. They aren't as lucrative or powerful yet! I'm sure the government will give them all sorts of kickbacks for building out the infrastructure for that, just like they did with all that ISP infrastructure money they gave out and we never saw build anything with.
jsg_nado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:17:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewables aren't the new fossil fuel because the technology we currently have to harness them are inefficient, expensive, damaging to the environment, etc. Until renewable energy technology becomes a viable alternative, fossil fuels will continue to be the main source of energy. A good alternative would be to switch from fossil fuel to NUCLEAR energy, a much cleaner and efficient energy source, until renewable catches up enough to orovide for everyone. Making the leap from fossil fuel to renewables right now would bankrupt the energy sector and leave the United States with not enough power to keep the lights on.
Dead_Starks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't suggesting they dump everything and switch over. Just that they start investing and looking into it would be a wise decision.
How are all of these other countries I see making waves managing to do it if the technology isn't there?
I'm not in disagreement with you there one bit. But people hear nuclear and think Hiroshima, Chernobyl, or three mile island and it's sayonara getting that legislation thru.
jsg_nado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:20 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're changing your tune. Initially you said "start transitioning". That means doing something, not just "investing and researching" of course they're allready investing and researching. Every oil company is.
Other countries can do it because they don't need to support an energy thirsty 350 million person country. We dont have the technology to provide renewable energy on that scale yet.
First, I think you mean Fukushima, not Hiroshima. So they look at one incident in the United States' nuclear history in 60 years and decide that nuclear power is unsafe? That's just plain stupid. We shouldn't compare our nuclear facilities to those of other countries. Ours are different and are managed by different people in different ways. Being scared of Nuclear power is only something that uninformed people do.
grimston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:05 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but insulting someone's intelligence is not how you persuade them or open them to discussion
OffendedPotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oil companies are already investing in renewables
jsg_nado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:24 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's very different from switching to renewables as their main source of energy which is what we are discussing.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hooman_Bean ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:43:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please inform us.
LynxRufus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:27:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You design them and then mass produce them and then install them and get energy for decades. Soooooo incredibly complicated.
Also sometimes you need to repair them. It's like oil times complicated plus impossible.
aasteveo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all Lithium is a mineral that we mine out of the earth just like coal, and it's in nearly every new age battery. What happens when we run out of that?
Hooman_Bean ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:50:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But theres an infinite supply of oil that requires little effort to extract, transport and refine?
aasteveo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Don't be stupid. The guy asked how renewables are complicated. Just pointing out one aspect. I don't know how the hell you jumped to me saying oil is more sustainable. You're just looking for a fight, aren't you?
Hooman_Bean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying that lithium isn't an infinite source, correct?
Lithium > EV batteries.
Gasoline and Diesel engine vehicles > oil
Oil is not an infinite source either. Just making the comparison and I dont feel I have strayed far from the conversation.
aasteveo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I told myself I wouldn't feed the trolls. ugh. I should have known "Please inform us" was just troll bait. Enjoy your snack.
Hooman_Bean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it was a misunderstanding,
Makes it sound like you are trying to say EVs are not a good option because lithium is finite, correct?
sunshinesasparilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not feeding trolls, you're just ignoring people's questions
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fossil fuels are not cheap, if they were we wouldn't subsidise them to the tune of five trillion dollars a year globally.
Source
HawkEy3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
5 billions globally would be very little, your articles says "trillion".
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:56:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I've now edited my comment to reflect that
lamp4321 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:49:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
especially when you have someone as influential as trump advocating for it
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:11:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HawkEy3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He just left the international Paris climate accord.
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's got huge influence, he just chooses not to use it. He could prioritise legislation to reduce energy consumption easily but doesn't.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:57:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A president works with and marshals congress to pass legislation.
Here for instance is a Wikipedia list of GW Bush's legislative achievements.
Here for instance is an article on Barack Obama's legislative legacy.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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colonwqbang ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand. This is the reddit anti-Trump circlejerk. You're supposed to ignore even the most basic facts of how government works and just hate on Trump. Bonus points for bringing up Trump in all threads everywhere, even when he has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Now you try it.
PanningForSalt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:30:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is far further down the list than /u/humblebee89's girlfriend making a decision on dinner. Should we be worried?
Humblebee89 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:37:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once women can decide on what to eat, the rest of the worlds problems will fix themselves. Just you wait.
PanningForSalt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:38:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make a strong argument.
itsnick21 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:00:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, that's why I'm currently going to school being a wind turbine technician. Be the change you want to see in the world.
FriendlyWisconsinite ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why wind turbines? They aren't going to last. Either you'll run out of room to place them or they'll be replaced by something better. They're by far the worst form of energy production we have if you goal is to replace fossil fuels with renewables. They are intermittent, an issue that will never be fixed, and they're likely to be replaced by solar when solar becomes more and more efficient.
If I were in your shoes I would continue with this, then work on becoming a civil engineer or something. That way you'll still have a job in 30 years.
itsnick21 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:41:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aasteveo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't crush the guy's dream!
FriendlyWisconsinite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he had a point when he said there will been a need for people who can repair them.
SmallTownJerseyBoy ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:02:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then you can cut the peaks of mountains to have your annoying sounding turbine ruining the view and local economy.
Source: Lived in Vermont for ten years. They literally do this.
LiquidSilver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you can not do that and try to live without electricity.
FriendlyWisconsinite ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure the people in developing nations would love to starve because we can only use enough energy to produce enough food for developed nations. Electricity is essential. You can't just say cut back, or get rid of it. People's lives depend on it.
LiquidSilver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:00:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't have to try it. Only JerseyBoy up there who doesn't see we can't have modern civilization without sacrifices.
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got an actual source for that? Would be interested if true...
dryerlintcompelsyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like mountaintop removal mining. That's not related to the wind turbines as far as I know...
And I get the noise complaint, but how do they ruin the local economy? They're just turbines. As for the view, I honestly find them pretty aesthetically pleasing, but that's just personal opinion
Caddofriend ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:22:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This more than anything. It could be RUINED by the time I die, I'd rather leave it better than how I found it.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:42:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fine. ...but can I have a car that looks less pretentious than a Tesla. Maybe an electric 1970 Chevelle? If so, I'm on board with the 'green'.
Hooman_Bean ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:46:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think an electric 1970 chevelle is not an option?
There are millions of old cars laying around that could be retrofitted with electric engines quite as easily or easier than gas powered.
1939 EV dodge pickup
ThatMormonMike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've built a couple of electric cars, it's not easy or cheap, but it can be a lot of fun.
Hooman_Bean ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:51:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not easy or cheap to built gas cars either, but also still a lot of fun.
ThatMormonMike ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a fan of building cars period. If I don't get to wrench at least once a week I get cranky.
VanillaTortilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hell yes!
corntorteeya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Leaf. Or a Spark, Bolt? Chevy's confuse me with the names.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Volt is the least dorky hybrid/electric car (other than the hybrid versions of 'normal' cars... which is probably how I would have preferred any of them). That's not saying much, of course. :D
mommamicdrop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:38:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100%. This is what I came to say. It matters more in the long run than anything else, and affects all life on the planet.
wischichr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a job for WALLยทE
AlwaysClassyNvrGassy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is making me realize just how much of a cynical pessimist I have become.
Purpletech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:25:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Won't happen as long as the big companies just keep shoveling cash into governments pockets.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time to build the Wall-Es!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On this same line everyone transitioning to a plant based diet. We would have longer life spans (thanks to less heart disease, diabetes, and cancer), less global warming, and itโd be much more ethical.
Gbone3215 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is a plant based diet?
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:00:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Veganism
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:52:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sunlight
Caddofriend ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:27:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would we control local herbivore populations? Currently we literally need to hunt deer, lest they overpopulate and wreak havoc on their own ecosystem. They'd eat each other into starvation while decimating plant populations. And I'd rather not waste venison. Not to mention wild boar populations, which are already out of control to the point that they're always in season in many states. Plus, hunters donate those boars they kill if they can, to local shelters and the like. Not even USA can transition everyone to vegan diets right now.
I should say, I'm not against transitioning to a vegan diet. It's just that right now, it isn't feasible. We need to reintroduce natural predators, but people fight that too. There's so many issues to work out before we can actually make the change to a vegan world, it isn't as simple as you'd like to think.
yong598 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Animal agriculture is rezpobsible for alot of climate change, pollution and unneeded suffering. I'm not saying everyone should go 100% vegan but if we all reduced a little it could help alot.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much deer do you eat? If thatโs the only meat you can consume then good for you but Iโm willing to bet itโs not. If youโre so concerned about the ecosystem then donโt eat foods that lead to deforestation and animal abuse.
Caddofriend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of you provided any actual insight. Just a bunch of vegan rhetoric that helps no one. These are REAL LIFE ISSUES that need to be addressed before we can truly move past a meat-centric society, or else they'll become new and even worse problems. Hoards of deer and boar ruining crops won't help the world become vegan.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deer and boar arenโt the main problem and make up a small fraction of the animal products consumed. Youโre trying to point to that as a justification for eating all animal products which doesnโt work.
Caddofriend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You missed the point by about 10 miles there bub. I said they will become problem animals, destroying ecosystems and farmland. I never tried to justify eating meat, as it needs no justification. We are animals, and animals eat other animals. It's nature. The problem comes when there's nothing eating a certain animal, they get out of control and wreck the balance. We killed most of the wolves, now only humans keep deer and now boar somewhat under control.
acnedrivenalcoholic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get your point, but I don't think "we're animals" justifies us eating meat. Giraffes are animals so are deer, rabbits, cows, elephants etc. They can all survive off of a plant-based diet and studies (and live, healthy vegans) show that we too, can live without meat. I know humans bare physical characteristics that imply that we are omnivorous species such as our canines or our inability to break down cellulose but I don't believe that means we cannot survive off of a plant-based diet. I believe they are simply remains of the type of species we used to be. As we know, due to evolution, things change, we adapt to constantly changing surroundings and leave behind old traits that do not benefit us anymore. This to me is what our canines are for instance or our coccyx although that has nothing to do with this topic haha. They're just reminders of what we evolved from. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we all began eating plants, our digestive systems (perhaps thousands of years from now but still these things take time) we would be able to break down cellulose. Because again, we adapt. When it comes to overpopulation within a certain species (which happens) an inevitable population crash takes care of it and reinstalls a balance. Simply look at Darwin's theory on evolution, more specifically the "survival of the fittest" part. The problem arises when humans interfere with this process by destroying their habitat by means of deforestation, building motorways that isolate them, intensive agriculture etc. We're essentially not letting overpopulation take care of itself. Side note: I don't mean to sound defensive, feel free to disagree but I'd be interested in what you think of this.
Caddofriend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but most of the mentioned creatures will eat meat if the opportunity arises. :/ that's nature. I don't doubt that we'll move to eating all plant matter, but that's due to our intelligence which was brought around by eating meat. I'm just trying to point out issues that will arise in that vegan shift. We'll probably stop hunting, but right now? Deer have no natural predators in my area, nor do boars. We killed all the predators. We're trying to bring them back, but right now hunting is necessary and I'd rather those bodies not go to waste.
Oh, and your coccyx keeps your butthole closed. It's the anchor for the muscles in your anus. Try not to break it!
acnedrivenalcoholic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know they're digestive system is not built for meat. They will no doubt kill animals in a gruesome, bloody manner if provoked but it's rare that they actually eat them. Let's hope you're right about that intelligence part :') The point I was trying to make was that hunting isn't necessary to deal with overpopulation. What I believe and know (not to say that it must be right but it's what I've managed to conclude from my ecology studies and personal research) is that overpopulation takes care of itself once the species exceeds it's carrying capacity. Meaning if there are in fact too many deer, there simply wouldn't be enough natural resources to keep them all alive. So slowly but surely, their number will be reduced (naturally).
My bad, I didn't know that haha thanks! (I still stand by the canines tho)
Caddofriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with letting overpopulation take care of itself is that these animals will destroy our crops. They already do, so the only way they'll reduce is if we stop planting which... Not gonna happen. It'll only get worse with more deer, our food becomes their food.
acnedrivenalcoholic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They also make land more fertile thanks to their manure and by their decaying bodies which are natural fertilisers. Killing them gives farmers one more reason to use chemical fertilisers that can cause eutrophication, causing acid rain and damaging crops permanently.
Caddofriend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna say, thanks for being decent and respectful. Even if we disagree on some points, no reason we can't be civil like this. I should have known I'd be getting flamed for pointing out possible future issues in a hypothetical scenario (had fun talking with you though!)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think youโre missing the point. Deer and boar arenโt the main animals we consume and ecploit and they arenโt part of the factory farming and agriculture that are contributing to climate change so pointing to them is a fringe argument.
Not all animals eat other animals and the human body is not designed to eat meat and it is especially not designed to drink the breast milk of other animals.
Caddofriend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:09:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit i never said they're the main farm animals, I SAID THEY WILL CREATE PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE.
Further, eating meat is literally what made us humans. Calorie dense cooked meat gave us a surplus, which we used to develop our brains. And I'm one of the growing minority whose body CAN digest milk past infancy, so why shouldn't i? I can't digest cellulose, but i am supposed to eat that? Your arguments are based on morals, not logic. You won't win anyone over by guilting them, besides, i said earlier i wouldn't be opposed to making a vegan world. I'm trying to point out issues we would have in making that happen. That's all.
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fallacy number 1: "eating meat is literally what made us humans": Here is a scientific american article detailing that our human ancestors were nearly all vegetarians.
Fallacy number 2: "I can digest milk so why shouldn't I?" - this is a logical fallacy. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. See also: appeal to nature.
Caddofriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More "I can digest milk, so why should I stop"
Did you know that chimpanzees, our closest living relative, hunt smaller monkeys? Not for territorial purposes. They set up a trap and chase the monkeys into it to catch, kill, and eat them. Why do you think our ancestors were any different? Do you think uncontacted tribes eat only vegetation? A bulk, surely, but they need meat to survive. Otherwise, why bother hunting?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldnโt drink milk because it puts you at a higher risk for cancer and broken bones.
Caddofriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being mammal makes me more likely to get cancer and broken bones? Rough, but unavoidable. Water, fat, calcium and vitamins. That's all milk is. Nutrients necessary for life. Drinking hot drinks increases your risk for cancer, so does going outside, living in a city...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want prostate cancer keep drinking it, I guess.
Caddofriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to that, since I don't guzzle milk by the gallon, I'm much more likely to get skin or lung cancer. Besides, fucking everything can give you cancer these days. Your morning coffee or afternoon tea will give you throat cancer. Getting your daily vitamin d by using the sun to metabolise it will give you skin cancer. Don't even get started on the pesticides used on literally every piece of food you eat. Breathing? Cancer.
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:57:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've just appealed to the status quo again. Just because it happens already doesn't mean we should continue
acnedrivenalcoholic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Why bother hunting?" Well one of the reasons would be bc vegetation wasn't so abundant and easily accessible to them at the time. It was a lot easier for them to chase after an animal with a spiky object bc they didn't have the brains yet to know about planting and agriculture. Now that we have all the knowledge of agriculture at our disposal there's almost no need to continue eating meat.
Caddofriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read the sentence before that quote? Besides, our brains have been about the same for the 200,000 years our species have been around, they were ignorant of agriculture. Don't go insulting our ancestors because they hadn't discovered something yet. A few hundred years ago people thought flies came from meat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to yell, bud.
I donโt get why youโre so worried about the future when weโre facing problems right now. Youโre not arguing against my points about our current diet, youโre just trying to divert the argument.
Someone else has already responded to your other points so I wonโt bother.
Caddofriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By fixing our now problems, we create later problems. In a never ending cycle, unless we start working preventatively instead of reactively. The very first response I put was outlining issues we would have creating a vegan world, the whole thread isn't even about now. It's about the future.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And right now our future is not sustainable with how we eat. We can stop eating farm animals and keep the hunting the same and things will be fine.
yong598 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoards of boars and deer will not happen because of natural predators and hunting
Caddofriend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are the only natural predators left. We already killed 99% of wolves in America, we're trying to bring them back but people are fighting it. If we all went vegan, hunting would only be for sport. Is that better? Most hunters would say no.
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:50:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen some wacky arguments against dietary reform in my time but being overrun by boars and deer is up there with the zaniest.
Caddofriend ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:00:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never once have said that I was against dietary reform, in fact I've said the opposite twice now.
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:59:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've not said you're against dietary reform... I've said that the argument about being overrun by board and deer is against it
Josef_t ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:29:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that animal agriculture is part of the reason why there is almost no natural predators to deers and boars.
Caddofriend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, we used to have wolves roaming the entire US and beyond.
Then we killed them.
Josef_t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And reintroduced them back too yellowstone and can do it everywhere else if we want too.
Caddofriend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:43:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh sure, Illinois, New York, California, Texas, Michigan... No way will anyone complain that we're releasing dangerous alpha predators near their homes. It's not that simple. This has been my point this entire time. Even out in BFE, people complain about them because they kill their livestock and even their dogs. You can't just make a country vegan, you can't just release predators, there are problems they solve and problems they create. I'm not the bad guy for pointing out these problems. I'm also not saying "keep doing exactly what we're doing", because I know it can't continue this way.
thalama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not killing their natural predators because they mildly inconvenience us would be a start.
Caddofriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only thing I've killed is a boar, ya don't have to tell me that.
FreeTheL ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:55:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although I 100% agree in principle - optimum human diet contains at least some animal matter. But we do currently eat far too much of it, far too regularly (at least in the western world).
To prescribe a vegan diet to everyone, irrespective of their individual biochemistry wouldn't be an amazing idea for their health though, imo (based on information I have read thus far).
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Got a source for that claim?
FreeTheL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A plant-based diet flat out does not provide a number of basic nutrients, including: Carnosine, vitamin D3, taurine, carnitine, retinol, conjugated linoleic acid and long-chained omega-3 fats. (B12 is also difficult to come by, but this is partially down to us sterilising vegetables, killing the bacteria on the vegetables which would manufacture b12.)" [posted by me in a different comment]
... I would type out the rest, but I don't think you listen to stuff that doesn't fit your view of the world already. ("Got a source for that claim" lmao)
If you research both sides of the argument, rather than just solely reading pro-vegan stuff, it's difficult to maintain a vegan stance on grounds of health. On morality though, sure.
emanresudrowssap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:24:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...That's not really a source, and your comment is really condescending to someone who just asked a valid question.
Here are some sources that show you can be completely healthy on a vegan diet. The only ones you might need to take supplements for are B12 and maybe Omega-3, but those supplements are not hard to get and there are still ways to get those nutrients through vegan food. https://www.dietitians.ca/Your-Health/Nutrition-A-Z/Vegetarian-Diets/Eating-Guidelines-for-Vegans.aspx https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/ http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx https://www.nutrition.org.uk/publications/briefingpapers/vegetarian-nutrition https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegan-diets-facts-tips-and-considerations/ https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 19:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I havenโt seen anything that suggest any amount of animal flesh is necessary for optimal health whereas a plant based diet is the only thing thatโs reversed heart disease in clinical trials and cutting beef out of the American diet would help us meet our Paris goals by 2020 if we changed nothing else.
HeadMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
However, there are countless problems with this idea. First and foremost, you have to address what happens to the cattle farmers. I grew up in an area with a lot of farming and most of my friend worked summer jobs at cattle ranches in college. It is the lifeblood of some communities in rural areas and by cutting beef from the US, we will in turn be cutting cattle farmers from their jobs. Although it may have some benefits, it seems like cutting off the thumb to remove the splinter. Also, the US no longer has any Paris goals, we withdrew from the accords on June 1st.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our agricultural model is a hell of a lot more than a splinter with the damage itโs doing to us and the planet. Iโm from KY and the coal people arenโt happy weโre moving away from it but that doesnโt mean we need to keep it around and keep destroying the planet. We can solve these problems as a community.
I know weโre not in the Paris accords anymore but it doesnโt mean we shouldnโt try for them, regardless of our dumbass presidents decisions.
HeadMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is difficult to function as a community when you refer to the elected leader as a dumbass and have no regard for compromise in areas of agriculture and production.
FreeTheL ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:30:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Itโs slightly difficult to cite the reasons in a concise way, but if we're just covering the basics: A plant-based diet flat out does not provide a number of basic nutrients, including: vitamin D3, Carnosine, taurine, carnitine, retinol, conjugated linoleic acid and long-chained omega-3 fats. (B12 is also difficult to come by, but this is partially down to us sterilising vegetables, killing the bacteria on the vegetables which would manufacture b12.)
Cholesterol (despite its demonisation) is a vital component of every cell membrane in the body and forms the basis of steroid hormones. There are also various studies showing that males who are vegan have resulting lower testosterone levels from lack of cholesterol (saturated fat) in their diet.
Our digestive system falls somewhere between what is typical for carnivores and herbivores. I wouldnโt at all argue that we are designed to eat purely meat - our relatively long digestive tract and inability to synthesise vitamin C would strongly suggest otherwise. But equally, the length of our intestines compared against actual herbivores (being on the short side) would suggest that we are not designed to subsist solely on plants.
As to the argument that humans โchooseโ to eat meat now and that it is a social behaviour, rather than something that we have physically adapted to do: our current brain size and physiology points to the incorporation of meat into our speciesโ predecessors diet. This created an energy surplus, and in conjunction with our ability to cook the meat (humanoids(?) discovered cooking around a million years ago) allowed an increased brain size over time 1. by making eating a less physically arduous activity (less chewing needed = less muscle mass needed in the skull) 2. energy surplus which could be used to support a bigger brain.
I'm not discounting your opinions, and in fact completely admire and respect the fact that you are taking steps to minimise your impact on the environment, (which I definitely think should be a much bigger priority for everyone) and doesn't contribute to the suffering of animals.
I'm simply saying that I don't think a diet devoid of any animal product is what humans have evolved to eat. Although, as I said, I do think westerners (and others) could do with eating less of it than they currently do.
Also, when I see someone say that they havenโt seen anything that conflicts with their beliefs, it usually means that they donโt go looking to double check fact against what they already thinkโฆ It's good to try and read both sides of the argument.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:23:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my months of research, I've never come across any of this, except b12, which as you said is just due to how we sterilize our vegetables. The idea that there's something we need and can only get from meat is just flat out ridiculous though. Animals don't just randomly make all of those nutrients, they absorb them through plants and so can we.
Also, I have looked to double check because the whole reason I'm switching to a plant based diet is my girlfriend decided to and I set out to prove to her that plant based wasn't the way to go and instead realized I was in the wrong.
CommunistPrinter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see sources that support your claim.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:02:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A great place to start that cites all their sources
CommunistPrinter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. Once I have more time I will read it fully and look at the sources.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:40:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says it may do that in children. Hereโs their article on it which cites two studies in which children on plant based diets appear to have higher IQโs.
FreeTheL ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bear in mind that much of the benefits of vegan diets comes from the fact that they consist of (when done right) largely non-processed, whole foods.
When this is compared against what the general populous consumes, (large amounts of highly processed foods) the health benefits seem magical, when in fact, if anyone consumed a diet low in processed foods - whether that included minimally processed animal products or not - they would likely see a very rapid change in their health for the better.
On top of this, different people will do better with different proportions of fat, protein and carbs in their diet, depending on their biochemistry. Some people will do better on vegan diets than others, as the high protein/high carb/low fat profile is what they tolerate best.
Nofgob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good example of this would be the Innuit people who eat primarily meat since they rarely can access plant matter and who's physiology is adapted to that sort of diet. They would likely do very poorly on vegan diet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_cuisine
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is itโs just not sustainable for us to eat meat as a species with how big we are.
Nofgob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree especially at our current rate of consumption.
I just don't think we can realistically cut out meat in the short term as a species or we'll be losing a large portion of our diet as well as with the fact that some humans literally have to eat meat to stay healthy (Innuit example). We can definitely cut back on the amount of meat we eat. For example eating meat like once or twice a week instead of every meal every day would probably be a health benefit for most people while also drastically reducing the number of domestic animals we breed as well as the amount of fish we pull from our fisheries.
Just like the food pyramid our idea of a proper amount of meat consumed is probably skewed and should be adjusted based off our individual needs.
Ralath0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doubt that's gonna happen anytime soon. Too many people find meat too delicious.
What I consider more likely is that vat grown meat becomes a mass industry. That offers much of the same advantages: Less CO2/methane output, less water usage, more resource efficient and much more ethical.
xxc3ncoredxx ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you explain humans eating meat for millennia and being fine? Check mate fake science.
WalterHeisenberg96 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:12:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pleistocene existence isn't the ideal for humans... yes we can eat meat and obviously no hungry societies should pass it up, that doesn't mean a meat free diet where available isn't healthier. Not to mention far better for our extremely vulnerable environment
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read up on the Okinawa diet, friend.
xxc3ncoredxx ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be able to stand that. Meat is too satisfying to eat. On the same topic, having steak for dinner tonight :)
lupajarito ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get what you're trying to prove with this post. It's not original, or funny.
LiquidSilver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:26:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On an unrelated note, I just ate a salad :)
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is factually inaccurate.
Scientific American article detailing how our ancestors were almost exclusively vegetarian.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Josef_t ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah some scource on that.
shenanigins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about we search for a clean means of production for renewable energy. As it stands (given the same length of time) building the infrastructure to produce the same amount of energy needed for a society as is currently being produced by not green energy actually produces more emissions than if they had done nothing. Of course those numbers fall in favor of green energy in the long run as it is just a "startup" cost rather than standard upkeep.
FIST_IT_AGAIN_TONY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a physicist and climate scientist, believe me, we're searching.
In the mean time however it's worth trying some stuff in parallel.
edgarlynch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so needed๐๐ผ
zAndAllThatJazzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once it becomes profitable, sure.
taylortucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda hard when every world leader is more worried about their own wealth and power than with helping their constituents. Except Justin Trudeau. That guy's cool
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it costs more, then we should just keep how it is. Electricity is already expensive and shouldn't cost more.
DontTreadOnMe_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin hippy /s
PM_ME_UR_SELF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about he V8s?
pjabrony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK, but only if it's as cost-efficient as present.
PessimistPrime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about you start by cleaning your room
moorethanafeeling ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:43:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole world will switch to clean energy when clean energy becomes as useful or more useful as the alternative.
FriendlyWisconsinite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:21:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no such thing as clean energy. Wind turbines cannot physically provide the power necessary to replace fossil fuels, solar takes tons of toxic chemicals to produce, and everyone hates nuclear because people hate science.
Better hope drilling techniques get better so geothermal becomes viable anywhere.
FishHeadBucket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really exaggerated viewpoint.
cruxfire ยท 7029 points ยท Posted at 13:55:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think being able to see the liberation of North Korea during my lifetime would be incredible.
Icyartillary ยท 2494 points ยท Posted at 16:02:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be amazing. Ideally ending without starting New Vegas
bloophead ยท 244 points ยท Posted at 19:13:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But New Vegas is really fun.
Icyartillary ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 19:18:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually doing a replay right now, still one of my hands down favorite games
bloophead ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 19:21:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I got it a few months ago finally. I thought it couldn't beat 3 but I was so wrong. It fixes everything wrong with 3.
InvalidArgument56 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 20:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which, admittedly, was alot.
Icyartillary ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 21:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plus, its graphics are not great by a LONG shot, but good gameplay/replay value totally tops amazing art. I'm not saying games get a pass to look shitty, but I think I made the point ok
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:20:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In New Vegas you don't get to play new vegas
disposable-name ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:23:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said starting New Vegas.
That's where most of the crashes are.
SavouryPlains ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally just reinstalled 20 minutes ago. Now to start modding....
DelusionPhantom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:27:15 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just got it for the first time yesterday. The hype is real! All I know is that I'm a postman and the giant bugs are evil so I'm super excited to go into this blind.
bloophead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:31 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh you mean cazadores? They're the worst. I hate them so much.
no-relation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to live it, though.
Fizzlerr ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:39:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 was better
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 04:33:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you dropped this.
reading this almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter.
Falcon_752 ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 17:54:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to set the world on fiiiirreeeee ~
Icyartillary ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 18:20:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking at you, Enclave. Looking at you.
rokss8 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:09:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got spurs that jingle jangle jingle
whitecarspacebar ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 18:31:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got spurs that jingle jangle jingle...
Icyartillary ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god that's the one song I cannot stand
whitecarspacebar ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 19:07:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? For me it's "Johnny Guitar." I usually groan and change the station immediately.
therunawayguy ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 19:51:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PLAY THE GUITAAAAAR
PLAY IT AGAIIIIIN
MY JOHNNY
whitecarspacebar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:01:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would seriously rather listen to Vera Keyes talking up the Sierra Madre than listen to that garbage.
Icyartillary ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a close second, seriously. Floating eyebots. Power armor. Motherfucking NUCLEAR SLINGSHOTS. And 8 fucking songs on the radio
LemonsAreJustLemons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I second this
Punch_kick_run ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate it so much especially as someone who used to be called Johnny.
BalthizarTalon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theeeeeeeeeeeere was never a maaaaaaan
Like my Johnnyyyyyyy
IIIIIIIIIIII was always a foooool
For my Johnnyyyyyyyy
IIIIIIIIII am so oooooooverrrrr
That guy Johnnyyyyyy
DefenderRed ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 18:28:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would need to happen quickly. Before NK perfects its long range missile tech and starts mass producing its new ICBMs.
Icyartillary ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they already quote them at hitting Chicago?
DefenderRed ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:55:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I read that they have the current capability to hit Hawaii and some parts of Alaska.
How's the missile defense system coming along?
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 20:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty well I'm sure. What they've shown the public has looked pretty good, so whatever secret tech they have is probably pretty good.
One thing America knows how to do well is fund defence.
Falcon_752 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:47:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have technology equivalent to 1945 America, no time soon are they going to have ICBM tech unless another country aside from Iran begin to collaborate on their weapons program.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:27:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America has technology equivalent to 1945 America?
MDKAOD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quite the achievement!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can reach New York already.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theoretically
EatABuffetOfDicks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kek
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:11:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Whaty0urname ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 21:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If NK takes one shot at us with one ICBM I feel like they just sign their own death certificate.
Zain-117 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 22:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another redditor said that even if they take a shot, we have to be careful because in the event of an invasion or missile attack against NK, they have orders to start bombarding SK until they run out of ammo.
TOO_DAMN_FAT ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NK doesn't have aircraft that would pose a threat. They have artillery and we have anti-artillery batteries. Seoul would still hurt a bit (or more) but the war would be over fast... ignoring the China variable.
DrNick2012 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think China would side with a country that launched an ICBM at a superpower. Even ignoring that doing anything but condemn NK's nuclear strike would be political suicide, what's to say they wouldn't be capable of attempting nuclear strikes elsewhere if left alone after the first, they may even take a swing at China, and before anyone says how stupid that would be, we're talking in hypotheticals after which they have already nuked the US, which is pretty darn stupid.
TOO_DAMN_FAT ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:53:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China may choose to invade themselves.
LeDudicus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:07:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the most likely thing I see happening honestly, China would just annex NK. And we'd have other problems as a result.
TheQuestionableYarn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tbh, I'd much rather see China in North Korea than North Korea in North Korea. What are the geopolitical problems that would arise then?
LeDudicus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:46:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would too, but suddenly you've got China right on the border of an important US ally/protectorate in S. Korea; it'd probably result in increased US military presence in S. Korea. We'd basically be holding China to the honor system as to whether or not they'd keep going past the DMZ once they took over Best Korea.
Rikkiwiththatnumber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, Seoul is within artillery range of the parallel. They would be hurting more than a little.
Odilious128 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 22:10:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's exactly why they've never done it for all their tough talk. Kim Jung-Il knew that very well, I think. I hope like hell that his son understands that too.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:52:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where they can hit seems to change every day. I hear some sources saying they can hit Alaska, some saying they can hit SF or LA (though those are under a portable nuclear air defense net if I remember rightly), and now they can apparently hit Chicago.
Scoobidy-Bop ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:41:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last I heard it was somewhere along the panhandle of Alaska.
BunchOCrunch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup I saw the same on the news a few days ago.
Dassive_Mick ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:16:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would be lost if Chicago got hit?
torrasque666 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:05:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Chicago gets hit you can say goodbye to the great lakes (most of them) and therefore goodbye to the largest supply of fresh water the USA has.
Dassive_Mick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a joke, lol. Poking at Chicago's sketchy reputation
hopbel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chicago
Icyartillary ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably liberal martyrdom
-ProfessorFireHill- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:21:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So like now? They already have a small ICBM. So it is now or never.
dindu_d2 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This definitely needs to happen before MAD kicks in.
-ProfessorFireHill- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:48:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
agreed, no one (sane) wants that
what_it_dude ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:03:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've been kicking that can down the road for about 65 years now. It has to be done before they can miniaturize nukes on icbms.
ViviCetus ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:31:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read this as "turning North Korea into a new Vegas." Which isn't too far from what the US did to Cuba.
Icyartillary ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, it was actually really cool seeing all the tech the people DIY'd over the years
ViviCetus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:11:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Twas, but it was done out of necessity. They could've been doing their own thing, instead of dealing with ours.
Icyartillary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's definitely a thing too
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:50:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Icyartillary ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:03:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the T-51 suit or the ranger armor you get in Lonesome Road
DynamicAilurus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:24:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer the traditional leather jacket with a cool design.
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
awe778 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:39:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that, the only armor you need is that sleeveless jacket that has "21" embroidered on the back.
I_Eat_Pain ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:21:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ave, true to Caesar
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...But I like new Vegas! C'mon man, strolling around in my kings jacket, meeting a real life Caesar, getting kicked outta casinos...man
chickennuggets42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:39:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea to New Korea
RandolphCarters ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it is Best Korea to Good Enough Korea?
akjoltoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:01:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that. I want New Vegas.
And spoiler alert. I will be the protagonist. Have fun with your mutated radiation sick life or whatever.
Beardless_Shark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New Pyong Yang work?
ThePointMan117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see new Vegas actually lol
arosiejk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Howwwwwwwwdy Partner!
Icyartillary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:23:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh fuck off Victor
DynamicAilurus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
dh6387 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 21:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I got a cancer reading some of the comments... I'm a South Korean. No, I don't know what bullcrap you've been picking up from the internet, their situation is real. Not as much as we thought before the 90's, but few chosen people living in Pyeongyang having a phone and people watching a dvd of SK TV series from 5 years ago they got from black market risking imprison in labor camp is not a international 'decent life'; And yes! we want to get back together! This would be the new frontier for Industrial workers and companies and many different jobs like teachers, doctors, etc. But we don't want to deal with Kim family and his worshippers, and inevitable heavy taxes right now. We are having enough problems on our own. No, besides some words in language, cultural differences and Kim propaganda, We can communicate with each other perfectly fine. Why would you think that?! Did Germans from west couldn't understand people from DDR? I met two NK refugees in my life, one was a construction worker, and one was a singer. I could talk to them with much little difficulties as I thought before.
lowhangingfruitcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:56:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious, what is the average South Korean perspective on the economic ramifications of reunification? It doesn't sound like there are ANY reasonable solutions?
_abandonship_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:32:04 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't speak for the average south Korean's opinion (I'm a Korean emigrant living in North America) but the economic consequences of reunification are enormous. Increasing a country's population by a third by a largely uneducated peoples that have no familiarity of the existing capitalist mode of production in place in South Korea would create disaster that will reverberate through decades. Think German unification but multiple magnitudes worse.
I can't think of any realistic solutions. By ending the Kim regime, the world would have 25 million refugees that have been fed propaganda for generations. What happens then?
lowhangingfruitcake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:03:08 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess it explains why 'kicking the can' has seemed like the best plan to politicians for so long. Taking no action is a bad idea, but all the ideas seem bad.
burnSMACKER ยท 120 points ยท Posted at 15:12:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe I had to scroll so far for this. Fuck Mars. I want to see us helping humans.
oopssorrydaddy ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 16:46:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
bluew200 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 17:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there is a limit to fund allocation, and deciding between NK and mars, Mars would be cheaper.
WonkyTelescope ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:54:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we could pay out way to liberating North Korea, we'd have done it already.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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angrybluechair ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 20:01:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not as easy as just lauching some missiles. SK might suffer heavy causalities and maybe even nukes launched at it if NK was attacked.
courtoftheair ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:22:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, you know, killing most of North Korea isn't the same as liberating them.
angrybluechair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that goes without saying.
courtoftheair ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:13:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would think that, wouldn't you
ivancurtis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:26:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the financial costs of reunification would be astronomical. Just look at Germany. Arguably West Germany is still paying the financial price of reunification 28 years later. Freeing North Korea would be like welcoming 25 million refugees to South Korea.
I still hope it happens though.
amd2800barton ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:56:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cost is China won't go for that, and war with China would be... expensive. Even if China decided to look the other way, the US wouldn't go for it. Without NK as a credible threat, the US loses a lot of influence with Asian allies.
bluew200 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:44:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if china was for that, the cleanup (unless you kill every singe person up there) will go over 1 trilion dollars, and you could count on city-guerilla warfare, distrust to any asians cause they would be blowing themselves up. Reintegration to society also has massive associated costs, and west would share border with china. That would be teriffying
DrJKirby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:29:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is your solution? How ignorant and stupid.
SmallTownJerseyBoy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:07:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's going to be a crisis trying to integrate, reeducate and feed a brainwashed, impoverished, hungry people like in North Korea. That's part of the reason China isn't doing anything about KJU, they don't want the N. Korean problem at their doorstep. It will overwhelm South Korea as well. It will have to be handled very delicately. (The reintegration)
DietKibble ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:51:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my second, after a cure for HIV and Cancer.
allanmes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:01:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would make it the third surely
boxofrabbits ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:44:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if it's a drug that cures both.
Make it a drug that cures both and liberates the North Korean people and you've freed up two slots!
ilkikuinthadik ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We counting birds or stones here?
s_h_d ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:28:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not a unification of Korea?
AChalkStorm ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:42:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read about the unification of East and West Germany, it wasn't as clean as people think. Eastern Germany is still much poorer than the west.
North Korea is a lot worse off than even the most decrepit parts of the GDR were, it's been substantially longer, and the cultures are even more different. Getting a new government would be great, and there might still be hope of a reasonably well off North Korea in the far future, but unification is a fantasy.
s_h_d ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm living in the West and there is still the word "Dunkeldeutschland" (dark Germany, referring to the GDR claiming they didn't have bulbs or electricity). It's a given that they are still poorer, but I doubt that unification would be impossible for Korea. South Korea could learn from Germany and what mistakes to avoid (e.g. avoid instant economic unification to help move from Socialism to Capitalism less quickly) and what to copy. It would be a challenge, but I'm sure, just like with Germany, the political will would be there.
invisiblephrend ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:56:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
from documentaries i've seen, it would be insanely difficult to integrate an entire nation of north koreans with south koreans. these people are literally living in a fantasy world with little to no comprehension of the outside world due to generations of propaganda and isolation from the outside world. mix that with poor education and little to no modern day skills (on the level of the average sk, at least) and it would almost undoubtedly result in an economic meltdown. yes, some have managed to escape and live seemingly normal lives, but multiply that by millions of people suddenly needing help and it's not so easy. north korea is going to have to fix itself.
s_h_d ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm always unsure where actual delusion ends and where acting out of fear begins. China isn't too far off, and I've seen one documentary saying that China (which is apparently more free than North Korea) had cultural influence on North Korea with foreign DVDs leaking into the country, exposing the rich people (probably exclusively Pyeongyang) to other cultures.
I'm not sure whether the people are that deluded at all. If you were to watch GDR state TV, you would probably see mostly positive propaganda as well. You wouldn't find a lot of people trying to talk badly about the government of they knew they were going to die because of it. Surely North Korean censorship wouldn't let TV reporters have record poor people suffering hunger, especially not foreign ones. In most documentaries I've seen, the reporters weren't even allowed to casually talk to people.
I'm not sure about the comparison with the GDR, though, as 80 years ago, Germany was already an industrially developed nation whereas Korea was more of a agriculture country.
courtoftheair ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:33:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On top of that, the North Korean language is different enough from South Korean that they created a translation app for defectors. One more little thing adding to the complexity.
Edit: This is a thing, my dudes
Killadelphian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 01:32:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it's the same language. South Koreans just have a lot more words for new technologies that don't exist in the north. It's Scottish English vs American English. Yeah, maybe he's hard to understand but it's the same.
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof, since apparently Google isn't a thing now
I said different enough, not that it's a different language my dude. Its more akin to an american speaking to a person that uses the natural mix of Scots and English that a lot of Scotland uses. South Korea already has widely varied dialects but North Korean is even more difficult. Its also not just technical terms, unless you think ice cream is a technical word.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:01:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is with the massive refugee crisis it would cause. You think people are upset with accepting Syrian refugees? North Korean refugees would be on such a larger scale.
courtoftheair ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 20:37:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I've seen, America's hatred for middle Eastern refugees stems mostly from all the war and accompanying propaganda they've been making over there for god knows how many years. It would certainly be interesting to see how they'd react to Korean refugees though.
sexy_bethany ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:18:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and also because Islam is an ideology antithetical to Western values.
courtoftheair ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:28:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do it to Syrian Christians too.
ar-_0 ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 15:13:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if it's from within, fuck imperialism
Xavienth ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:35:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell yeah, comrade!
ReverendWrinkle ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a tyrant as dangerous as Kim Jong Un, outside action could be necessary and justified.
ar-_0 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except "outside action" always leaves the people worse off than before, as it looks out for the interests of the imperialist country before those of the people they fight for.
ArkLinux ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 17:12:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except things can't get a lot worse in the DPRK.
DPRK under Kim's rule:
Want a mix-race child? Kill the child/baby/fetus.
Make a typo in the newspaper regarding Kim? Labor camp for 10 years.
Want to travel to another city/state/region? Nope.
Want to practice religion? Death.
Don't want to have your education interrupted? Get drafted alongside hundreds of thousands of other students to perform a parade in Kim's honor: practicing 12 hours a day, everyday for six months.
Want access to health care (only access not the health care itself)? No can do.
Want food? Only what we ration you, but we might take that back too.
DPRK under UN rule:
Want a mix-raced child? Go for it.
Make a typo in the newspaper regarding ruler? Go ahead, you can also criticize your government without fear of death.
Want to travel to another city/state/region? Go to another country even.
Want to practice religion? Go for it.
Don't want to have your education interrupted? As long as were not in war, it really won't be.
Want access to health care (only access not the health care itself)? You will have access and it will be cheap.
Want food? Buy as much as you can eat.
Although you might not like imperialism, imperialism would significantly increase the quality of life in the DPRK. If you disagree with me, then please read A/HRC/25/63. This is a report of the [UN's]Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. This will change your mind.
1SensFan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 19:34:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In theory it should work like that but in reality that is not always the case.
Only only has to look as far as Iraq and Libya to see that it is not all sunshine and rainbows once you get rid of the evil dictator. They are both arguably worse off after the deposition of their dictators than they were under them.
ArkLinux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:31:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be better if the DPRK were like Iraq rather than how it is today. Things literally couldn't be worse. The living conditions if the DPRK are worse than in any other country. Not only is practically everything against the law, but also every citizen is essentially a spy. Men will report their wives and children to the government if they break the law. Neighbors will report neighbors. Sisters report brothers and vice-versa. In most other countries, people have the right to food and to work. Not in the DPRK. What other country prevents you from leaving your city/region when you're not at war? And even when you are at war? What countries indoctrinate their children that their leader is God(besides ancient Egypt)?
It would be better if there was a war being fought in the DPRK because then people would be able to leave.
I know that the US/UN didn't help reestablish middle eastern countries after occupying them, but the DPRK is worse off now than any of those countries are/have been.
Unless the US decides to nuke the whole country, I don't really see how things could get worse.
NixonsBFF ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 02:01:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. Prepare for a mammoth wall of text.
Imagine if North Korea goes too far, China abandons it and the UN authorises an invasion. The regime falls and every trace of the Kim family and the North Korean government is eradicated. Now what?
You have 25,000,000 people without a social service system, without a functioning government and under the control of an 'enemy' that the NK government has spent 60 years telling them kills babies. Images like these are what North Koreans have been exposed to for enough time for people to be born, grow up, live and die. While it's ignorant to believe that every single North Korean believes this propaganda whole-heartedly, generations of people live having known nothing but images and attitudes like these.
So what do you do? Do you integrate them immediately into South Korea? If so you've just increased the population of Korea by a third, and these new citizens have never had any experience with the capitalist mode of production, the South Korean system of government or even the legal system of South Korea. Along with a slew of cultural shock, integration problems and other issues this doesn't sounds like a great outcome. Alternatively do you set up some kind of reconstruction administration like America did to Japan after WW2? You now have the people under the control of a foreign government not responsible to them, which kind of defeats the purpose of invading to establish a democracy.
Not to mention the costs, both direct and indirect. Wars are expensive this study estimates that a campaign against NK will cost $500 Billion, and that subsequent effort to economically integrate NK into SK and bring it up to 80% of SK levels will cost somewhere between $1 Trillion and $5 Trillion. That is between eight times and twenty times the entire SK annual budget, and between roughly one and five times the entire US budget. Furthermore food supplies would be threatened. North Korea isn't exactly well known for its well fed population, and the destruction of the North Korean government (and the system food requisition and distribution) will lead to the complete breakdown of food supplies in NK. That study I quoted before states
And that doesn't touch on the idea of North Korean remnants. North Korea is aggressive, oppressive and tyrannical but it isn't stupid. NK Generals know that they will lose a conventional war against the US and are prepared for a protracted guerrilla war, hence why America is preparing for that outcome too. That will threaten any attempt by a UN coalition to rebuild a new Korea, and could threaten to render an occupied NK similar to Afghanistan or Iraq but with an even more fanatical resistance.
But also the fundamental problem with intervention: North Koreans will be reluctant to accept or support any government that has been imposed by a foreign power. By invading the Kim regime will be vindicated - all that propaganda that "the Americans are coming" will be proven correct.
And this isn't even touching on international consequences, like the potential for Chinese or Russian intervention or potentially North Korean weapons flowing to terrorist or criminal groups.
But please note: I am not trying to defend or excuse the actions of North Korea. The are a tyrannical, totalitarian despotism that the world would be better off without and on the day that the Kim regime falls every person on earth should celebrate. But it must come from within - the North Korean people are the only ones who can liberate North Korea without a complete collapse like Iraq 2.0. The world should absolutely support the North Korean people in doing so, and we should do everything possible to help the North Korean people fight the Kim regime, but an intervention will only serve to destabilise Korea, vindicate the tyranny of Kim's regime, lead to starvation and suffering and worst of all may not even stop the atrocities in NK.
ar-_0 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:28:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People always say that foreign intervention will be good, but it always ends in genocide, which we've already gotten close to in North Korea
EspritFort ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That all sounds great! It is, however, just a hypothetical scenario. And generally every intervention is preceded by a description of how much better the situation will look after the intervention has succeeded and everything went according to plan. It won't necessarily work out that way. Maybe I'm just jaded by the last Gulf War but I don't share your confidence.
ArkLinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be better if the DPRK were like Iraq rather than how it is today. Things literally couldn't be worse. The living conditions if the DPRK are worse than in any other country. Not only is practically everything against the law, but also every citizen is essentially a spy. Men will report their wives and children to the government if they break the law. Neighbors will report neighbors. Sisters report brothers and vice-versa. In most other countries, people have the right to food and to work. Not in the DPRK. What other country prevents you from leaving your city/region when you're not at war? And even when you are at war? What countries indoctrinate their children that their leader is God(besides ancient Egypt)?
It would be better if there was a war being fought in the DPRK because then people would be able to leave
I know that the US/UN didn't help reestablish middle eastern countries after occupying them, but the DPRK is worse off now than any of those countries are/have been.
Unless the US decides to nuke the whole country, I don't really see how things could get worse.
Nazi_frog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:30:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.
sexy_bethany ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:20:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the UN is a useless organisation, they'd turn NK into a globalist playground.
ArkLinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a very well articulated response. Thanks for your perspective.
sexy_bethany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice meme
darexinfinity ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:32:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems that the North Koreans that are dissatisfied tend to run away from the country rather than stay inside to do anything about it.
North Korea seems worse off than Syria. The dissidence against the Syrian government manage to cause a civil war. I can't imagine that happening in North Korea, I believe Kim Jong Un would quietly slaughter the entire population before he would allow resistance to grow.
Considering Un's quest for nuclear missiles, I think external countries are validated in their reasons to take action against NK. Not taking any action against the NK government only because of its citizens is going to get a lot of people killed.
ar-_0 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:25:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please look into how often defectors return to NK and how much they get paid to make up stories when they get out of the country.
darexinfinity ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:45:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not my point, my point is there's probably no inside resistance that has a chance to bring down Un by themselves. Without foreign interference, nothing will change, which screws over everyone but Un.
RandolphCarters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably a fair assessment. If the NK people had the capacity to change governments perhaps they would have during the famine of the 90's. The repression and information control in that country is, and has been, quite amazing.
beefsticko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:41:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea that people in the west should realistically fear North Korean "aggression" makes no sense at all. No matter how hard the media tries to depict Kim Jong Un as an unpredictable madman, North Korea isn't a real threat to anyone in the United States. War with the west would be the worst possible outcome for the Kim government. The DPRK will never have the military strength to be able to withstand a NATO invasion, but by advancing their nuclear weapons program and developing long range ICBM's North Korea has created an effective deterrent that will prevent the US from launching an initial attack and ensuring the survival of the current regime. I'm not going to debate the validity of the claims against the DPRK but either way, any future war with North Korea should not be justified with the claim that war is necessary to defend the American people.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:54:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is:
Leave the criminally insane dictator with access to nuclear weapons and has made threats to use them alone to do what he wants.
Seems smart.
Samsan_07 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:29:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you actually study history you would realize that we always leave them worse than better off. Unless you believe that whole "we civilized them" garbage the western powers tell the masses.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:31:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because forcibly disarming him would be worse than nuclear genocide.
Okay.
Samsan_07 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also like what 70% of South Korea don't want to unify with the North anymore. Look it sucks and I hate Kim too but the reality of the matter is that if we intervene then it won't just be all nice and dandy. It won't take 2 weeks and we are done like some of reddit believes. Shit would take years, and there are a fuck ton of landmines and claymores in that country. Last thing our country needs is too have a draft and send a bunch of young men to their death in bunches. Besides have you seen what happened to the Middle East after we intervened? Do you not now that America is the reason why that area of the world is a fucking disaster?
willninja5 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:31:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As bad as it is, the former US foreign policy for the Middle East was to destabilize the governments there so they could have Democratic revolutions. They succeeded in destabalizing, but not in setting up lasting governments (that's why Isis is there). In Korea, they are seeking to unite Korea under South Korean rule, which is already stable.
Samsan_07 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:33:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did the country stabilize recently after their president was caught being in a cult?
willninja5 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, they have a new president now.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"like 70%" you have access to the internet, find some real stats to back your argument.
YouJustDownvoted ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we use a shock and awe campaign shit will be over in days
religion-kills ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:27:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could have a nice "mission accomplished" banner too.
dawsoncody ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would disagree, the Middle East was taken over by the Taliban to run the government, they brought in rules that prevented women going to school, and brought back old punishments (hand being chopped off for stealing) they also destroyed huge religious landmarks because Allah was the only god
Samsan_07 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:53:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were funded by the United States to fight of Russia in the 70s and early 80's.
rudolfvdv ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:24:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No yeah that doesn't sound like Saddam Hussein at all. Please, for the love of humanity, learn your fucking lessons, Americans.
easterween ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are bodies washing up on the Tumen river and little kids are starving to death while their dear leader drink cognac and parties with basketball stars. Why shouldn't we help them? Isn't that what bodies like the UN are FOR? The humanitarian crisis is colossal.
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're missing the point, which is that you do t know it will help, and historically it hasn't in other places.
easterween ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we leave them to starve and to develop nukes. Right. Sounds good.
Also the culture of North Korea and the culture and formation of Syria are exceptionally different.
Im not a fan of the US intervening in pointless wars but why isn't the UN involved in this?
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China, mostly. Pissing off China is not the best idea. Also the part where, depending on the way they try it, a massive chunk of the civilian population would die.
Pelcat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you, most wars the US waged since WW2 were pointless but this could make a difference and would be resonably justified.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:29:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is perfecting NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
And has DIRECTLY THREATENED multiple countries with them.
How is this ANYTHING like Iraq?
ar-_0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are constantly invading and threatening other countries, and in fact we are responsible for about 40 million deaths since WWII, do we deserve military intervention? A new government propped up by whatever superpower would invade? No, the change must come from within America.
YouJustDownvoted ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iraq has "weapons of mass destruction"
Saddam has directly threatened the US with them and used them on his people.
How is this anything like Vietnam?
rudolfvdv ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:33:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much % of what you just said do you think is actually the case and not fed to you through media propaganda? We all know that the US is going to invade North Korea soon, it's been in the air for too long and every day we hear another terrible Kim Jong Un fact. How do you think they get the US population on their side for their wars? Jesus H. Christ.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:34:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're God damn stoned if you think the media backs anything the current administration does or might do.
rudolfvdv ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless that's what they want you to think. Do you think the 1% of the 1% of the 1% just left things to chance and now we randomly ended up with Donald Trump?
cambo666 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The delusional paranoia here is very real. Good Christ.
TheLeftIsNotLiberal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:45:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really are daft.
The entire media wing was against him. From Fox News to CNN.
The entire 1% was against him. From Koch Brothers to Cuban.
The entire Political Class was against him. From the Bushes/Est. GOP to the Clintons/Kennedys.
The entire world was against him. From Merkel to Un.
This is the most nutter conspiracy I've ever heard.
Angus_McFife_LXIX ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think fox news is or was against trump?
You think the 1% was against him too? Americans win their elections based on how much money is donated to them, it's pretty clear trump has a fair few wealthy investors, to think otherwise makes no sense given he wanted to remove restrictions on big business and doesn't believe in global warming which is a major turn on for oil companies.
TheLeftIsNotLiberal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
He was completely self-funded during the primaries.
The only "positive" press he got from FOX News was from Hannity and arguably The Five. Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly, and Shepard Smith would consistently attack Trump.
p1qrst ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with everything you said, but I'm 100% sure they wanted Hillary everything Russia NK Syria would be more of a mess with Her. The deep state can control everyone and anyone who comes into the White House.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except we know for a fact that NK has nukes and that they've said that they want to topple the US.
courtoftheair ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't start it.
ar-_0 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:41:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because since it's existence the US has been trying to topple NK
GodOfWarNuggets64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly what they want you to believe, but they can't source any specific examples where we tried this after the Korean War because the cost would be to great and would fall apart without massive international backing, planning, and agreement which we have none of at the moment.
ar-_0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding me? All the sanctions and constant aggression doesn't count? We literally don't allow them to buy food and then complain that their people are starving.
GodOfWarNuggets64 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:37:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sanctions are trade punishments, not tools used to destroy a regime or government, and any strife, revolutionary fever, rebellion, or major internal chaos that result from sanctions are side effects not the intended results. We've applied them to Cuba, The Soviet Union, Iran, and the subject North Korea and they were or are doing just fine without us. On top of that, we have given them aid in the past, yet their people still starved, so it's more complicated than us not trading with an autocratic that would love to see our full annihilation or at least our lack of presence on the Korean Peninsula. And not even mentioning their very dark human rights record, lack of democratic or republican values or traits (not the parties, the systems of government), the fact that you can't leave legally, and if do manage to, multiple generations of their family are put in labor camps, the fact they have labor camps, the fact you can only vote for one party and one person, no freedom of expression laws, the fact the entire country worships one person, and a lot more. All that aggression you're talking about is only retaliation for the everyday threats we receive from the Kim regime about the impending war that will see the full invasion of the U.S mainland, the destruction of the U.S military, the eradication of the U.S government, and the liberation of the general populace. These are their main forms of communication towards us. I hope you realise how insane that sounds doing that daily for 50 years towards the most powerful country in our species history and do you really want to know how bad we would look on the international stage if we tried to ignore or just didn't respond we statements letting them know we take their words seriously enough? Do you want them to feel that because their words are legit they can act without consequence?
ar-_0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do get why they hate us? We killed 20% of their population fifty years ago, and we clearly will not hesitate to do so again. They are fully justified in hating America.
GodOfWarNuggets64 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I already know that, but you did not address any of the points I brought up explaining why we act the way we do towards them, you're trying to justify 50 unbroken years of aggression towards us. Yes, I do think they deserve an official apology for that event, but take into account that 1. There was no official intent to commit genocide, we were trying to get Kim Il Sung to surrender 2. they invaded South Korea under the banner of uniting the peninsula without the Republic Of Korea's consent and with a huge army 3. If they were able to put all their unprovoked into action, it would make what we did in Korean War look like we had a bad day 4. It was during a war NK declared on a people that had not only done nothing to them, but was one we deliberately could do nothing to them even if they wanted to. Also, trying to frame it as a genocide would be like calling the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocides even though they were meant to force the surrender of the Japanese Imperial government, and the firebombings killed more and got the Japanese Imperial government more scared then with the nukes. Not only all that, I'm don't believe the apology would stop their threats. I think it would make us look weak in their eyes and only encourage them.
ar-_0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really wasn't an invasion. They saw Korea as one Korea while they were having a revolution, so they brought it to the south. It's like saying George Washington invaded the colonies by crossing the Delaware. Apologies aren't shit unless we actively dismantle our imperialism worldwide. We are the aggressors, in short.
GodOfWarNuggets64 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:59:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't an invasion because they FELT and SAW Korea as one and we need to remove our military presence from the rest of the planet because they FEEL threatened? Not only is basing our actions worldwide on the emotional whims and perspectives on a country we are enemies with beyond insane and ignore geopolitical reality because we don't want to make them upset, you have yet to addresses any of the arguments I have brought up, and until you do, I am going to assume you don't know how to argue back.
ar-_0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao
GodOfWarNuggets64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's it?
ar-_0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, all your arguments are based on "geopolitical realities" and maintaining America's might, without realizing that those principles are fundamentally bad
GodOfWarNuggets64 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are not based on geopolitical realities, they are based on the circumstances that brought the People's Republic Of Korea and The United States Of America. What your optimal role in this would be to prove that US is mostly responsible for things getting this bad. But from I've been reading, and correct me if I'm wrong, the main and only pillar of your argument is "but If you look at it from their perspective, it makes sense," which is not only a very weak argument, it would only make sense if their perspective lined up with what actually happened, which I am trying to show doesn't and which you seem to be refusing to do directly and instead have resorted to deflecting and bring up strange comparisons like an actual revolution and a military invasion.
CriticalDog ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. If the US had wanted to topple the DPRK they could have easily done so at any time before they had verified nukes.
And they could still do it now, but the US isn't willing to see Seoul shelled. Because despite the rhetoric, the US isn't a totally lawless imperialist.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're a violent dictatorship.
YouJustDownvoted ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:25:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS ^ OMG THIS. Here is a poor man's โญ
p1qrst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many missiles does the US have ?!? Who is the only country to use them ?!? I'm more afraid of the US then NK. Nuclear weapons only work as a deterrent if your opposition believe you will use them. Mutually assured destruction. Kim knows he will be destroyed if he uses it. It's a defensive so the US can't invade pre-emptively.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... His threats to nuke the US and Japan are no cause for concern, eh?
zebrucie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:25:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess the missile landing off of the shore of Japan is nothing. Along with the shelling of a South Korean marine base... And the torpedoing of a South Korean navy ship... I guess it's all just propaganda right?
p1qrst ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please link source for all that
JakeAndAmish1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Learn to use a search engine you fucking dictator apologist
p1qrst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't use a search engine but can navigate Reddit. Search engines can come up with all sorts of shit. Is there any article or reports to back up the claims being made.
NK is a shit hole so is Kim, but the way they are handling it is once again another US fuck up, and the hysteria hypocrisy is unbelievable.
I don't know you are what you believe but the US is selling billions to Saudi, a country who planned 9/11 openly give out the death sentence to anti government protestors, funding terrorist, killing civilians in Yemen. This isn't being faced with UN sanctions and military action.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:43:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought I'd see the day where people on reddit could defend completely a violent dictator who kills his own people.
But then you have this and the sadness of Chavez and Castro dying.
These people are fucking delusional.
p1qrst ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one is saying that. The way US and UN are dealing with it will cause more civilian causalities.
How would you deal with the situation?
ReverendWrinkle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:20:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have zero interest in discussion with someone who supports and defends Kim Jong Un.
You support a murderous dictator, so you have nothing of value to offer me.
p1qrst ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What have I said that makes you believe I support murder? Also if your not willing to discuss then why are you here and why did you rely in the first place.
iHateReddit_srsly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who's defending anyone here? That guy just wants a source. How can we know any of that is true without a reliable source?
p1qrst ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The invasion of his country is a real threat. Where his people will be wiped out by your drones a jets. Plus the US has a history of invading. How would you as NK combat this?
courtoftheair ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im not commenting on the Iraq stuff, but America has perfected nuclear weapons. America has directly threatened other countries with them AND has actually used them.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:38:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who do we threaten these days?
DrJKirby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:32:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:55:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such as?
DrJKirby ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:35:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody where it is clear openly that there is hatred, such as Syria, North Korea, as well as anybody who might do something that would get on the wrong side of the U.S. President, since a) the U.S. has already used them, and b) they have elected somebody who does, for better or for worse (usually for worse), acts on instinct, and not intelligence (intelligence referring to information, not in terms of smartness).
fireinthesky7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is nothing an outside influence could do to North Korea short of nuking it that the Kim regimes haven't done 10 times worse.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you now all wars are justified.
Sincerely,
-Weapons manufacturer
EspritFort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. Not just because the term "liberation" has basically become a parody of itself, but because there is good precedent for a peaceful revolution.
timedragon1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly, it all depends on if Kim Jong-Un pushes over the edge or not. And, if not, it all depends on who his next successor is.
It'll either be his Sister or his Son, depending on when he dies.
bogzaelektrotehniku ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:44:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a liberation of USA in my lifetime.
Cheesedoodlerrrr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The liberation of North Korea would involve a horrific (but probably short) war wherein hundreds of thousands would die, followed by a terrible refugee crisis as all the northern Koreans flee into either ROK or China. It would not be "cool." It would be tragic on all accounts.
Idkimonlyhereforabit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Liberation" lol might as well say the huge civilian casualties that'll be inflicted is necessary in the name of American imperialism
Dica92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As great as this sounds, the recovery from many decades of brainwashing would take a very, very long time.
Killadelphian ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 01:34:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About a generation
sexy_bethany ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:20:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be exact, 15-20 years (one generation of students).
Dica92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:26:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, South Korea is not financially equipped to rehabilitate millions of would be refugees.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 20:21:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sexy_bethany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The generals rule the show, Kim is a figurehead
LancerBro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:13:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't N.Korea fire a ballistic missile that landed on Japanese waters to provoke them this May? Didn't they sink ROKS Cheonan, a S.Korean warship in 2010? Why hasn't there been a military response then?
lt_dan_zsu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the way tensions are constantly getting ramped up, I honestly don't see North Korea existing for more than a decade.
DAZTEC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:25:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the unification of Ireland! :)
The_Internet_Lurker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:00:19 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tiocfaidh รกr lรก, comrade.
GalatisMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Malice, is that you?
realcooltime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. It seems to me we won't see that without a lot of our own people dying on the way. Would be both hugely positive and negative
MisterHubble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That. and the first step on mars :)
notsowise23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay then Trump, we already know what you have planned for September.
jackmusclescarier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This answer is the first one to catch me by surprise, yet it's the obvious one.
Tomnnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of us will live to see that, no? Kim jung whatever the fuck isn't that old, but he doesn't look very healthy.
imaminion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for saying liberation rather saying the destruction as, horrifically, many uneducated people say.
fivebillionproud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically, what are the chances that the Korean War resumes to all-out war again in the next 30 years? It's been 54 years, could it go at least another 30?
girlmeetschaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one that I really want to see and have been wanting to see since I learned about it in school. Especially with recent news. It just terrifies me HOW that will happen because innocent people probably will die.
[deleted] ยท 3960 points ยท Posted at 11:27:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with an alien race.
KingOfDamnation ยท 1042 points ยท Posted at 13:21:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it's alien monkeys that can talk
Edit: for the 5mill people responding "so humans?" No god dammit I mean planet of the apes style aliens
Envir0 ยท 559 points ยท Posted at 13:44:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope not, otherwise we will have tremendous diplomatic issues when they see the lab monkeys.
RandomHumanMind ยท 295 points ยท Posted at 14:07:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is movies about an uprising of this kind.
Cedira ยท 501 points ยท Posted at 14:53:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pirates of the Carribean?
TheRoadHome ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 20:03:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
TheLast_Centurion ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:40:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Tim Burtonยดs Planet of the Apes world version of Pirates of the Carribean.
Goullet ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:17:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as marky mark gets to play a wicked smaht scientist again.
Hitbox4smash ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:30:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I think it was Paul Blart Mall Cop 2
harrypotomus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:54:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dead Men Have No Tails
classicalySarcastic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate that damn monkey
King-of-Salem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Primates of the Caribbean
FTFY
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:21:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched that last night such a funny movie.
Well if you're a pirate wheres your boat?
I'm in the market
ironfist221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nail on the head
furtiveraccoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
28 days later
NicholasGraves ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Documentaries*
HiMyNameIs_REDACTED_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:34:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Birth Of A Nation?
RenaKunisaki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cars 2?
GwsGeorge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overwatch?
pancha666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:45:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planet of the Apes movies
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 23:01:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
City of God I'msorrythatwasracist
Andy_B_Goode ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:06:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, good point. How about a race of alien golden retrievers, with human-like intelligence, but dog-like disposition?
parrot_in_hell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would just leave earth and live a happy life
RikenVorkovin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:24:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's monkeys it might be "treemendous"
NoGi_da_Bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but then we'll see they have humans in zoos and it'll be even
Envir0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they spray their new skin cremes into your eyes to see if they could be harmful for their users.
tux68 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:12:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly how they will describe us.
DanielFrigginJackson ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if you've ever read anything by Orson Scott Card (specifically "Speaker for the Dead"), but be careful what you wish for.
Shocker300 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CAPTAIN SIMEON AND THE SPAAAAAACE MONKIIIIIEEEES!
mortiphago ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:24:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hah like those silly creatures on Earth
sabrefudge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:45:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't aliens.
It was Earth all along.
TanithArmoured ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:31:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saiyans?
Natdaprat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:10:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... other humans?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:46:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we'll be telling them THAT.
rudekoffenris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets hope they don't throw shit at us!
KingOfDamnation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the best part
rudekoffenris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:21:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it could be space shit!!!! SPACE SHIT!!!
Amalus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi I'm Paul
jwilson67 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:55:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi, I'm Paul!
RiMiBe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:13:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should. . . should we tell him?
AnaRey0403 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:41:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winston?
Nickohlai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:34 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hi there
cahill48 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many monkey butlers will there be?
riskable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... You want them to be just like us?
KingOfDamnation ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I mean like what we call monkeys today all hairy and poo flinging. Yes I know we evolved from monkeys but I want actual monkeys
riskable ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:28:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually we evolved alongside monkeys. Monkeys are just as evolved as we are.
CreamyDingleberry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:31:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So humans basically?
frankxanders ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, apes or monkeys?
SlinkiusMaximus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:05:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans aren't monkeys...
Honest_Honne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:27:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoilers: they're not aliens.
ACtouku ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok Karl.
Immortal888 ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 17:30:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then it turns out they are a fanatic xenophobe fallen empire and you have to restart for the 11th time in an hour.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone has been playing too much Stellaris.
Immortal888 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:13:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a problem.
cries in corner
RaceHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....why ;_;
Immortal888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RNGesus is not with us today
RaceHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:44:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am gonna start a new game iron man mode and I am gonna conquer the whole damn place and enslave all xenos.
Immortal888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it is the proper way to play :/
ChristoWhat ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:07:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New intergalactic communicator, who dis?
I_Need_M0ney ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:51:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Aliens from the other side of the milky way"
2 hours later
"Wrong number"
LofeeZ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:03:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understandable have a great day
I_Need_M0ney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens in alien speak ~`ยงโโฒโโโโขยฎโโ[โโฌ=ยทโยทยฑโฑโฑโ+
English translation dodged a crazy bullet on that one
LofeeZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck do I need to change my locale again
notacatburglar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically that'd be more like 100,000 years later.
Spider-Ian ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:52:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wanted to captain Kirk some alien booty.
Repzie_Con ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:59:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if that happens there will instantly be a huge influx of hundreds of thousands of peices of porn art detailing humans x new species
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they're sexy bugs.
Repzie_Con ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:07:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah baby, lemme ride your thorax and jump your exoskeleton
jhg100 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:24:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one legitimately hurts me. I want a world like Fifth Element or Valerian so, so bad. It actually makes me depressed. I'd jump on a ship like Trillian and leave everything behind in a heartbeat.
Oh well. I've got to mow the lawn tomorrow. That'll be nice.
Sanctitty ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:10:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean contact with the really hot alien race along with sex tape scandals of intergalactic sex/marriage
Lost_in_costco ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:40:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By somebody other then 4chan, they sort of ruined the first contact.
Bludgeonedkittens ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:29:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And have lewd with said race.
why_drink_water ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:23:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would settle for discovery of intelligent life in the Oval Office.
thereisonlyoneme ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought we were trying to build a wall to keep them out.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully at a safe distance. If aliens come to earth, chances are they're killing all of us and taking over the planet for themselves.
parrot_in_hell ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would still probably benefit the planet
MrDarkAvacado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:04:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. What motivation could they realistically have?
MrBigtime_97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What motivation did the Europeans have to kill off the Natives?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:54:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resources, trading opportunities, more arable land to support the nation, generally things that earth would probably not provide in any significant quantity to an interstellar capable civilisation.
MrBigtime_97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who's to say we don't have a resource they cannot get their hands on us. What if it's us.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:11:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not gonna doubt you because for all we know you could be right, but based on our experience of both how we behave and how other intelligent animals behave there probably wouldn't be much value in earth from and interstellar perspective. But for all we know the aliens could be completely different from us so its anyone's guess.
MrBigtime_97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. Very interesting to contemplate. Thanks for the discussion!
MrDarkAvacado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:53:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what motivation would a more civilized and advanced nation such as ourselves have to do so, were we to first contact one such less advanced nation? what of an other civilization, even more progressed than our own? also, the Europeans didn't wipe out the natives completely, and even then, most of the damage was accidental (at least at first) or to get the immense wealth that the natives were sitting on. But the thing is, those two facts simply don't apply to a technologically advanced civilization that has the ability for interstellar colonization trips, let alone flying half way across a galaxy, or further, just to see what's over here. Thy would have no need for our resources, being able to mine asteroids, or barren planets, or even stars and nebulae (depending on exactly how advanced they are), and there is nothing unique to earth that they couldn't easily replicate from just a small sample, or even written formula; they wouldn't need slaves, as machinery renders slavery obsolete, and the certainly wouldn't be so ignorant as to accidentally release an alien plague on earth. They would be beyond such primitive tendencies and desires.
masterspl1nter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you haven't seen Independence Day or Alien.
Fowl_Eye ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please not the Covenant, please not the Covenant, please not the Covenant.
FlyOnTheWall4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:50:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll just settle for finding compelling evidence that an alien civilization exits out there.
ElizabethHopeParker ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll settle with any sort of alien life form. Then, I'll grab a big bag of popcorn, a Big Gulp, and watch the religious (especially Christians) leaders try to talk their way out of that one!
trigger1154 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully not the Snathi or Drengin.
AllTheyEatIsLettuce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You gonna get farmed.
umanouski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pls no ADVENT.
torrasque666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I want free health care, I don't care if I have to be turned into psionic slurry.
umanouski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or turned into a juicy ADVENT burger.
zAndAllThatJazzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd ruin it with premature dick pics
UnRayoDeSol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:46:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would end badly for us.
Abell370 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. People always bring up the 'but what if they just want earth for resources' thing when it comes to aliens. But think about it honestly. I an alien race was advanced enough to travel around easily, they wouldn't need to mine earth for resources. Space is filled with them. Comets, other, uninhabited planets and the likes. Why would they bother wiping out a species (and potentially harming themselves in the process) for something they can get just as easily a few parsec further down the road.
sap91 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:54:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they need something specifically human. Like they're mining DMT from everyone's brains
mrpiggywinkles52 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:21:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe human DNA is special as a glue to hold together parts of DNA from other species in order to manipulate Psionics in order to cure a disease that the elders are suffering fro... Sorry too much XCOM.
sap91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOW ๐ DO ๐ YOU ๐ MISS ๐ 3 ๐ NINETY ๐ NINE ๐ PERCENT ๐ SHOTS ๐ IN ๐ A ๐ ROW ๐๐๐?!?
Cedira ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're looking for Luke.
spork-a-dork ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:09:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is always the "wiping out the potential competition before they get off-world" motivation.
Ralath0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:36:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they didn't want competition we wouldn't be here. You don't wait until a species figures out radio and spaceflight, you just torch their planet when they're still trying to figure out how to crawl onto land.
A civilization strong enough to be seriously concerned about competitors could just build a dyson swarm around a big star, use it to power a Nicoll dyson beam and torch every planet in the milky way every 100 million years or so.
This is also why I sincerely doubt there is any intelligent alien life within a few hundred million lightyears. We'd see half eaten stars and/or galaxies if there were.
playmethesongoftime ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:48:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're thinking that they would be the problem. Look at us: we are afraid of what we don't understand, and therefore we retaliate with prejudice, building walls to keep people out, dropping bombs on motherfuckers, etc. Unless aliens share our values, ideals, and beliefs, we would be hostile toward them. We can't even coexist with the people who are different than us here on earth.
ElderlyPossum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resources are not the be all and end all as you said but that isn't the only reason an alien species could wish to harm us. Now whether or not an alien species is benevolent or not is anyone's guess - we can't project human behaviour on a completely different species. If they are malevolent however the fact that they will most likely be an orders of magnitude more advanced than we are almost guarantees the end of the human race. If they are benevolent then we may see great advancement but on balance it doesn't seem worth taking the chance. Especially for a benefit we could reach naturally given enough time:
moldymoosegoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like how we destroy ecosystems and species here on Earth just to gather resources we could get from somewhere else more expensively? That's exactly how they would see us. You missed that little aspect.
Ralath0n ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:39:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth is a pretty deep gravity well. It takes next to no energy to mine stuff from an asteroid, yet it takes 11km/s of dV to mine from earth.
Earth is not cheap to mine from if you intend to send those resources spacebound. Hell, it's so expensive that even we are looking into asteroid mining to prevent shipping up so much crap.
saudi_ball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They might want us as slaves
Ralath0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'd almost certainly have robots that are much better than humans. You don't built interstellar spaceships without extensive automation.
saudi_ball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something's u can't use robot. Maybe they'll use us as slave labor for their underdeveloped colonies and such
Ralath0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not?
saudi_ball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ralath0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many of those either can be automated with slightly more advanced tech (Which an interstellar species would have), or they rely on human social behavior, which is unlikely to transfer to an independently developed species.
Not like we kidnap dolphins so they can teach our kids medicine after all (to take an example from that list and apply it to humans).
saudi_ball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I guess ur right. They might want us in their zoos?
spaceresin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:45:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read that as: Conflict with an alien race.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:46:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they are less evolved technologically than us, then sure.
Grey_Void ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:20:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this would be done well by Donald Trump. They will obey him as their war God.
Mythical-Man-O-Magic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can't even get people to accept other's from a different country. Fuck meeting Aliens, we're nowhere near capable of handling that situation properly.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we meet aliens the differences between our human "races" would mean nothing and we would stand united in prejudice against the aliens.
Mythical-Man-O-Magic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:50:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish that were even remotely likely. But it wouldn't happen, we can't be civil with people who are just like ourselves because their skin is darker, they have different noses, they call their God by a different name.
What the fuck are we going to do with another species entirely? I seriously doubt we'd get any semblance of unity/peace in that event. I know I personally don't want to see it happen, it'll just be more bloodshed/exploitation.
PL_TOC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unity, turds. That is the keyword in unit.
shawndw ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just hope trump is out of office by then.
sabrefudge ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:48:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Bring me one of their young, I wish to fuck it."
"Mr. President?"
"You heard me. I want to be the first man on Earth to stick my dick in one of these things."
"Uh... yes, sir..."
"Oh, and one more thing."
"Yes, Mr. President."
"Make sure their piss isn't like... acid or anything like that."
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:17:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't matter. The US will probably not be the one making contact.
Lorenzum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well judging by how things are going in there it's very possible that you're right.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless we want war with them, the UN would never trust americans to establish contact.
thanksnoreallythanks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why would it matter what the UN thinks? and what do you mean by "americans" CommieRevolutionary?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I would think the UN would be responsible for the talks with the aliens. And by americans I mean people from the United States.
thanksnoreallythanks ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So with your border and population limits, I now know all 330 some million Americans are excluded.
What nations would the UN trust, then?
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:55:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are overthinking this.
thanksnoreallythanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just wanted to confirm whether or not you were a jackass
amuzmint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligent *
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be amazed even with an unintelligent alien "animal".
MrDarkAvacado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. If we found something akin to algae as the most complex life it would still be fucking amazing.
Milo359 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:50:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, the reason why we haven't found any intelligent life yet, is because true intelligence is like what dolphins have, ie. "Mucking around
in the water andhaving fun", and so they haven't bothered exploring beyond their planet.DarwinianMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would we win if Usain Bolt is slow now?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the aliens are slower than us?
Keto_Kidney_Stoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure we'd all be killed or enslaved by an alien race that has already advanced to the point of interstellar travel.
Just look at what humans do to animals. That could be us.
MindxFreak ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:12:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they can travel between stars with ease they wouls have no use for us. When you see a ant-hill do you enslave them to do your bidding? Of course not, they are so inferior to you that they arent even worth thinking about.
356afan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have the Kardashians, what else do you want? :)
RayMaN139 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be pretty amazing.. Unless they kill us off.. Then not so much.
MDiddly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I came here too see
Edit: drunken auto correct.
akjoltoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Likely won't happen ever.
LofeeZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the aliens we want, it's their technology
csl512 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ones that don't mind that we're made of meat.
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, yes, yes!
StrongmanSamson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:09 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only information we could recieve and send to an alien race is their and our existence if we're lucky and we're able to find out if a signal is artificial. There's nothing we would understand of their communication and vica versa, because everything has a language. And don't say mathematics, even that is written and used in a special kind of language (and I don't mean the symbols or the numbers but the train of thought), it isn't more universal than a spoken language.
Furthermore. This is the thought of the great sci-fi writer Stanislaw Lem: you can translate the following message to any language on Earth, regardless of race, technological state, age etc: "Grandma died, funeral tomorrow"
An alien civilization could lack one or all of these factors which could make this message ununderstandable. And you should think this as a very simple example - communication between alien races is impossible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why a race though? Why not just aliens. Is nothing ever enough for your Sarah?
HearTheEkko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the infamous big black eyes aliens seen in media don't exist, but rather normal people like us.
I like to think that there's multiple planets distant from here, similar to Earth, with normal humans living there. Humans which probably don't call themselves "humans" like we do.
If we exist, another Earth with humans in the universe can exist too.
Khuros_Khan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know a bone headed general will press the president of whatever country to think they are a threat. We will shoot at them and they will fuck us from space.
MintyTruffle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:02:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, no, noooooooo. Doesn't anyone see the inevitable suffering that would come of this? Unless they are a primitive race.
DrCybrus ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:33:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Fuck off ayy lmaos, we're full. You can crash on the moon if you want"
ethrael237 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US government considers me an alien of extraordinary ability. I can race and contact you, if you want.
[deleted] ยท 20138 points ยท Posted at 11:47:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap clean renewable energy that can meet all our needs.
fiszu3000 ยท 4248 points ยท Posted at 14:03:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With that we would insta fix half of our other problems
SuriAlpaca ยท 4410 points ยท Posted at 14:44:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if human greed doesn't get in the way. Pretty sure that's responsible for more than 50 % of our problems.
Humble_but_Hostile ยท 668 points ยท Posted at 14:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This may be the only reason we haven't made the full transition to clean renewable energys. There is still profit to be made from fossil fuels
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 16:52:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not correct at all. It's a pessimistic conspiracy theory at worst, and a weak economics-based argument at best.
There are 300 million people in the United States using 11 kilowatts per person on average. Using solar as an example, and assuming it takes zero energy to build (and ignoring the millions of tons of required metals such as copper, and some other things), we would need to construct a continuous roughly 200 mile x 200 mile solar field of 20% efficient solar cells (20% averaged over their lifetime and including distribution inefficiency). This would mean you'd need to construct roughly eighty billion square meter solar panels, or, in other words, you would need to build, ship, install, and distribute energy from about 130 square meter solar cells (35 ft x 35 ft) every second of every day for the next twenty years before you met capacity once, and then you'd more or less have to sustain this same rate to make up for the cells you begin to lose due to degradation. We can make the same damning arguments for nuclear, wind, geothermal, hydraulic, or whatever other renewable or quasi-renewable source you choose.
If you double the efficiency and suddenly figure out a way to approach some 85% conversion efficiency with a multi-junction thermionic whatever, you still need to make something like 30 square meters per second of every second for the next 20 years, and the best we've ever done in a lab is something like 45%.
Some sources are a little better than others, but this is the scale of the problem. This isn't possible. It's not hard, it's impossible. Even if you think we can physically do what I said, it should still convince you that "human greed" is far from the only reason we haven't switched to renewable energy sources. It isn't some economies of scale problem, it's a technological and physical limitation.
It's interesting because making a legal energy cap to five kilowatts per person on average would allow us to "do" what I wrote above in ten years instead of twenty, an enormous improvement that only requires a conversation, a pen, and some sacrifice, but good luck getting that passed.
I like to show people this. It's a good starting point to understand this problem.
Humble_but_Hostile ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:12:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your response. I am by no means an expert on this subject. So it would seem renewables aren't really that viable yet. Eventually fossil fuels will run out. Do you think by that time we will have found solutions to all the limitations that you have stated? Or will we have to change our whole way of living since oil is basically used in everything
edit: a word
Speartron ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:37:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have about a hundred years or more of crude oil to utilize, and that is not even taking into account other "fossil fuels" such as natural gas/LPG and coal.
We have more then enough time
VladmirShootin ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 18:31:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But does the atmosphere have enough time?
its_me_ur_boss ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:18:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell no. By the time we literally burnt up all of the fossil fuels on Earth, it would be a drastically different planet
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BIueVeins ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 21:10:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, I don't think running out of oxygen is our primary concern.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
did you literally just link to a propaganda website
DirtysMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WE don't have enough time. Fossil fuels do.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome! I'm as concerned about it as anyone, if not more concerned.
Renewables are viable for small fractions of our energy needs. They're also amazing, beautiful things, for a lot of reasons. They become more and more viable as we lower our energy consumption. Things stay really nice all the way down to around 5 kilowatts per person. By 1 kW per person, things are pretty grim, i.e. high infant mortality rates, bad water supplies, etc. So there is a non-linear trend from 11 kW to 5 kW and most of us wouldn't "suffer" in any tangible way from this. Reducing the number of people is the other way to reduce energy consumption, but this can't be done in any real and ethical way over the twenty year term.
Anyway, I can't answer your question. Perhaps the best I can do is a bet. If today you offered me one million dollars conditional on your right to come euthanize me if at any point in the next fifty years if the world is supplying 30% of its total energy with renewables, I would take the bet.
I've been told we have hundreds of years worth of natural gas in American shale fields. I also don't know how much oil there is buried under the water. Maybe thousands of years worth? Anyway, no, I don't think we're going to eliminate our massive demand for oil in the next eighty years or so, and there will be synthetic substitutes and decreased demand. Oil is not my area, though, so I don't know. Obviously, crazy things like meteors and nuclear holocaust would change this, so I would condition my bet.
_Constructed_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a fuck ton of oil in Alaska, enough to meet these demands.
Source
Services under the U.S. Department of the Interior estimate the total volume of undiscovered, technically recoverable oil in the United States to be roughly 134 billion barrels (2.13ร1010 m3).
More info regarding reserves and changes
Alaska's oil also has good wages for Alaskan workers:
Oil & Gas Infrastructure Assessed Value ($million), 2010-2016
Local Revenues from Oil & Gas Property Taxes ($million), 2010-2016
Comparison of Tax Revenue by Source, 2016
Source
Alaska also says that higher taxes leads to less of this oil being used.
Let me remind you, there is more oil in Alaska than there is in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Russia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you perhaps narrow your comments down a bit and respond to specific statements that I made with simple sentences? I'm not going to look at tables to try and infer how you're interacting with me, assuming you're a person and not an oil-bot.
_Constructed_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, I'm a person. :)
I just like tables because, in my opinion, they display information in a non-arguable way (most of the time).
It's easy to argue against a paragraph, it's hard to argue against a table.
nuclearfarts99 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then, we found the Big Oil shill.
Dis_Guy_Fawkes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fossil fuels will never run out due to economic reasons as well. Eventually alternatives will be cheaper than continuing to drill or mine for them. As the supply of oil decreases the price increases and at the same time the opposite is happening with alternative energy. The point where their paths cross on that graph is when we stop using fossil fuels. It's going to happen at some point, as long as the government can stop propping up dying industries and let the market work.
_Constructed_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These oil reserves are not going to die any time soon.
There is so much there, it would take millions of years, even at an increasing drilling rate, to run out of this oil.
JonAce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:36:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, basically, full transition will not be possible anytime soon without a technological breakthrough the likes of which humanity has yet to even think of?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is in my opinion correct. I haven't calculated anything but,
ifI would wildly guess that we might be able to meet 10% or 20% of America's total energy demand, as it is now, with a massive push towards renewables. This is to say that we might be able to install 13 square meters of solar panel every second for the next twenty years if we went without a lot of other stuff. I don't know.E_R_E_R_I ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you think getting stable fusion reactors would solve that problem?
Solar energy is lame, too much loss. Until we can build a Dyson Sphere, which won't happen for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, I don't think solar panels are worth the effort.
Having our own fusion cores, on the other hand, would be quite nice. You also have to consider that in at most 50 years we won't have to worry about man power anymore, so building mega structures lika a giant reactor will be less of a problem, and mining the materials for it will be way cheaper.
I'd love having our own mini sun.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't think that. Fusion has an unlimited fuel supply, so this is neat. However, even if you build a single plant to distribute all of the energy, i.e. you could somehow construct a 15 or so terrawatt fusion plant, then you still have to distribute that energy everywhere that we currently use it. If you can tell me how to get this energy from it's three square mile or whatever lot in the middle of Oklahoma, all the way to Joey Fuckin' DiNolfo and his beer cooler and lawn mower and forklift in Portland, Maine, and then this same idea seven billion more times, then maybe.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure you'd have to construct hundreds or thousands of these plants, and then you come to the same problem as nuclear. These aren't buildings, they are massive machines that take decades to plan and build each. See my other link for nuclear numbers, it's like two or three a week every week for fifty years to supply 3 CMO.
PontiacCollector ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:42:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to dispute your point that just switching to solar and ignoring others isn't a reasonable option. I think your spot on there, but I'm not sure about the math. We checked into solar and for a family of 3 we could replace most of our need with 40 panels for a leaky farm house in the Midwest.
If you assume everyone needs that much power it would be 12B panels, not 80B. Obviously, not every individual lives alone, but there are also businesses that would need power.
I would love to move towards an architecture where solar, hydro, and wind handle an increasing portion of our constant load and fossil/nuclear handle peaks. As you said, we're not getting there anytime soon, but it would be an awesome job creation machine for quite a while.
As for greed, you're right its not the only reason, but I think its a larger portion of the problem.
I actually kinda like the energy cap idea, I wonder how difficult it would be to work out how to manage the edge cases (hospitals, home medical, off hours, etc)
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:00:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could replace most of your electricity on a home. This is something like 10% of your total energy. The majority of our energy use is via fossil fuels for production of goods, services, etc.
As far as the calculation, how do you arrive at 12 billion? Here is my calculation (as nice as I can write it in a hurry):
(11000 W/person)*(3e8 people)/[(1000 W/m2 at full sun)(20% totalefficiency)(5 full sun hours/24 hours)] = approximately 80 billion.
Anyway, let me know if there is a mistake, but my assumptions are super simplified and the problem is worse than 80 billion square meter silicon solar panels alone. We'd also have to talk also about things such as, for example, the roughly four tons of copper per installed megawatt, which, i.e.
(3e8 people)(11000 W/person)/(1e6 w/MW)*(4 tonnes Cu/MW) = 13.2 million tonnes of Cu= 36 empire state buildings of copper
without talking about power lines. Anyway, I can accept that greed is a larger part of the problem because people
in the United Stateseverywhere will not reduce their average energy consumption, i.e. it's everyone's greed, and I show that it's extraordinary to produce our energy (in, actually, any linear combination of renewables that you'd like, see my link) without reducing energy consumption, so sure, it's greed. When you tell people they shouldn't have children, or they shouldn't commute, or they shouldn't take hot showers, or whatever, by refusing they are being greedy, and, to a lesser extent, I am guilty of this as well.PontiacCollector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was taking 300M people times 40 panels each, admittedly even more simplistic.
It seems extreme that 90% of our energy is outside the home, but I'll concede that I've never researched that, I've been focused on my own usage. Thanks, that gives me another vector that I can do something.
As for the daunting amounts mentioned, remember all the electricity we have now hasn't really been here that long, if the economics start in our favor there will be a major shift in what can be accomplished. Or at least I hope there will be.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I estimate that 40 panels at one square meter of Si (about 20 feet by 20 feet) each operating at 20% efficiency would provide an average power of 1.6 kW, or 10% of our use. I have to run but I think you're thinking about it well and can keep building on the ideas.
aure__entuluva ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:51:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it though? Well, I mean that the limitations you are talking about are purely due to the size of the US. There are countries and municipalities that run on fully renewable sources or at least a large majority of their power comes from renewable sources. So it can be done on some scale.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I say "an economies of scale problem," I mean that the economic guideline that states that things become relatively cheaper as you make more of them does not make it possible to solve a problem of arbitrarily large scope. For example, I don't care how good you get at mining gold, everyone in the country is never going to get their own 1 foot cubed block of gold. I know I can give one thousand people one of these, but not everyone. Similarly, as I wrote in another comment, I can build a sand bridge across a creek in my back yard. I cannot build a sand bridge to the sun, no matter how cheap it is for me to shovel sand. So of course it is possible for the Principality of Sealand to supply all of it's current energy needs with renewables, but it won't make a difference. Further, typically when countries and municipalities claim they are "100% renewable energy," they are talking about their electricity production. They can't sustain themselves physically, e.g. keep open markets, repair roads and buildings, purify water, without using fossil fuels, i.e. these small exceptions might supply 30% of their total energy with renewables, but again, this isn't something that can scale to the world with what we know.
aure__entuluva ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:23:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I realize I was twisting what economies of scale meant, thought I made that clear. I'm familiar with the term as it is commonly used.
frothyundergarments ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
multi-junction thermionic whatever made me laugh
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nerd!
Edit: in hindsight, this is the stupidest comment I've ever written. I wish I could take it back.
StabbyPants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it doesn't really matter. we either find out how to make it work, or we die (most of us). reduce global population to 1BB and the math gets easier
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it matters. We need to understand what's coming and what we can do about it, even if we ignore it and face the consequences.
StabbyPants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it really doesn't. you can argue about the technical challenges, but we either address them or it gets too hot to properly survive
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:32:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying that it doesn't matter if I calculate that all human beings stacking sand would take six hundred and fifty trillion years to make a bridge between here and the sun. "You can argue about the technical challenges, but we either do it or we die." I am able to conclude that it isn't going to happen because my analysis matters. It doesn't matter that my analysis doesn't matter in the sense that we're still going to die, but it matters in the sense that I can decide if something is feasible and worth starting. If you tell me we need to devote our entire economic output to manufacturing solar cells, I'm going to tell you that this will still fail, so we might as well keep looking for other options. This is of course assuming that we want 100% renewables, though 5% would certainly be very admirable and seems like a reasonable goal over the next fifty years or so.
StabbyPants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it still doesn't matter. either we solve this problem or we die. you saying that a specific solution is impractical because you think it's too much energy (even though you admit that we personally use about 10% of your figure) has no bearing on this. we get off oil or die.
you can reduce your energy usage through better decisions and lifestyle changes, and through more efficient processes. you can choose different renewables. what you can't do is proceed on the current path and live.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I admit what?
StabbyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that you're responding to someone else?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is where our time together ends.
StabbyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes it does. you're too narrowly focused
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I.e. not going off on tangents from my one original and simple claim. Yes.
StabbyPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right. i'm saying that the fact that this single narrow case is impractical is not relevant. we adapt or die.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, here, I'm going to delete this account. Maybe this will help me attain your breadth of understanding.
tinkerer13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, assuming no significant advancements in technology. OTOH, the conclusions drawn from that sort of analysis could change if a way is devised to make a solar paint-like coating, or a flexible adhesive-backed film. The US uses 1.5 billion gallons of paint per year. Just sayin'.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is correct. It is never correct to claim something is impossible. I hope every day that we figure out a way to make roll-to-roll III-V multi-junction solar cells at meters per second rates. I also believe we could paint a 200 mile by 200 mile square in the middle of Utah. Running cables to it, cleaning it, maintaining it, etc., maybe not, but I agree we could paint it.
That being said, paint is a single layer. Solar cells are many layers. We've also looked at and studied these devices for roughly sixty years, and we've been making flexible solar cells for something like twenty years. I'm always willing to admit that things can change, and I hope they do, but we're never going to build a sand bridge to the sun, for example. Some things are impossible, and I'd rather act like they are until we prove otherwise, rather than acting like they aren't and keeping my fingers crossed. But, whatever, I don't want to turn my computer off, so fuck it.
tinkerer13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only there was some sort of extremely sunny land so cheap it was almost worthless and covered in semiconductor ore like silicon dioxide. /s Maybe then it would be possible. :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only it were covered in solar grade silicon precision doped and packaged into cells in boxes on a site with billions of posts and holes and millions of miles of power lines running to the same spot and millions of trucks and on and on and on and on.
Edit: :)
memnoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Minus the cost accounting for all clean energy that already exists, and all built but not placed components.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the clean energy that exists is trivial in scope, but most of the renewable now is hydroelectric and nuclear, and those are effectively fixed on a twenty year scale. In other words, the <1 % of world energy being supplied by renewables that aren't hydroelectric and nuclear would not affect my numbers much. Anyway, I ignore a lot of things, and we'd have to talk about each of them, but the scope of just one of these things---the production of devices---I just don't think we could beah.
rebelolemiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never seen a Cubic Mile of Oil ever used as a unit of measurement before. Fascinating!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a neat way to think about it. I think the nice idea there is discussing all energy in a single unit (or few units), and how doing so makes it easier to convert and calculate true energy consumption and production. It also sucks, but such is life.
_Constructed_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but these existing facilities cost twice as much to manage.
While this may be true to some degree, human greed has created problems surrounding Coal and other traditional energy facilities that can bypass inspections.... etc.
To start renewable energy resources in the United States would take extensive reform and a lot of confidence. It's possible, but it'll take a long time and granted, human greed has gotten in the way.
Since these traditional energy resources have existed for such a long amount of time, it'll be more difficult to gradually replace them with renewable facilities.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that making fossil fuels cleaner should be a goal and that greed may hamper this, but I don't assume criminal malice. Anyway, I made an argument that you cannot replace them. Solar cells fail on the scale of twenty to thirty years. If we're super nice and say they last for thirty years, then my number changes to roughly 80 square meters per second of every second of every day for the next thirty years. You need to build these eighty billion solar cells within thirty years or you never reach capacity, and so "gradually" has to mean "over thirty years," because after thirty years each one you build is replacing one that is failed.
_Constructed_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will agree that more success would be attained if we stick to traditional resources like Coal and Oil rather than renewable reform.
Costs
Source
I'd like to quote some official information from the Energy Information Administration (EIA)'s analysis Annual Energy Outlook released in 2015; however, there have been many critiques of the information listed by other sources:
Archived source
Still, I'd like to report the government's information, despite it's critiques:
Projected LCOE in the U.S. by 2022 (as of 2016) $/MWh
So yeah, that's that.
Now, about solar cells:
Many sources have attributed their information toward why these cells and panels may fade, and what can be done about them over time.
Solar Cell Degradation
Short-Circuited Cells
Open-Circuited Cells. This is a common failure mode, although redundant contact points plus "interconnect-busbars" allow the cell to continue functioning. Cell cracking can be caused by:
Further details:
Source
Also, solar cells won't exist under a unified system if they're implemented. Expect diverse systems being operated each on a state (maybe even a county) level, thus, different replacement methods would be implemented over different periods of time, it would be hard to generalise this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I advocate for less "success." Americans are on average less happy than places in the world that use one tenth of our average power. We're in a rat race and have distanced ourselves from the irreversibility of our energy supplies. I believe we should sacrifice our free reproductive rights for one or two hundred years and spend all of the billions of dollars in our economy that go towards non-necessities on scientific research. Every dollar that is spent on, say, movies, television shows, sports and sporting events, transportation, superfluous clothing and accessories, travel, style, and many other non-necessities should be given to me and me alone so that I may hold all of my colleagues hostage for research money.
_Constructed_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you measure this? What is this based on? I am eager to see the survey. Polls are getting way too skewed nowadays.
Sacrifice Reproductive Rights? What do you mean by this?
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, you're a troll.
Sorry for bothering you xD, I should have read that through before finishing my comment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Troll? What? I'm making the simple claim that there are two ways to reduce our energy consumption and therefore bring energy production into the realm of 100% renewable energy.
People's power consumption is a known variable; quality of life is a function of energy and you can choose anything between 100 W/person (the chemical power output of our bodies) and roughly 12 or 13 kW, which is around the maximum average for any nation. So, you can choose a quality of life and therefore have one number for a person. Then, for world power consumption, you multiply this number by the number of people. Let's say we want 600 W per person on average for everyone in the world, i.e. the physical quality of life of the average Cambodian, then we multiply 600 W per person by seven billion people, i.e. 4.2 million million watts. With one square meter silicon solar cell, you get about 40 W on average with 5 full sun hours, neglecting a lot of stuff. So, we divide 4.2 million million by 40 W/square meter cell and get 105 billion solar cells. Please see the discussion above.
So, what are we to do? Well, we can't lower this per capita energy too much more, as we're already living with poor sanitation and disease and reduced life expectancy and such at 600 W per person. So, the other option is to reduce the number of people, i.e. the number you multiply the average power per person by. So, either a lot of people die at once, or you restrict reproductive rights and move down to, say, one billion or five hundred million over the course of however many tens or hundreds of years it takes.
What part of this is trolling, exactly? It's a simple energy analysis and it's not wrong. I'd support one child policies, so what? It's not going to happen. In fact, people aren't going to reduce either of these two numbers. If you live another fifty or one hundred years, you will see then that we're going to be having an even more impossible conversation when the population is then ten billion and people in the world have an even higher quality of life, and we're using even more fossil fuels.
Well, even if this doesn't happen, and even if we say that Americans at 11 kW/person are healthier and happier than the French at 5 kW/person, how am I wrong, exactly?
_Constructed_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly sounds like a troll, my bad.
Reproduction rights will never be restricted, sorry bud.
We live in a healthy and happy world, but not everyone gets a solar panel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean won't be restricted in America? None of the Chinese people I know have any brothers or sisters.
I agree with you. We'll keep using oil and coal until we run out of them. I don't care if it's eighty or two hundred years, because I'm not having children. I think you'll agree that what happens to your great great grandchildren isn't really our problem and we don't care, i.e. we'll burn the gallon of gas now to go to a drive-thru instead of saving it to deliver water to them when they don't have any. Well, America will be fine, and who really cares about the rest of the world. Thank god for fracking; hundreds of years of energy for us.
Edit: and I never said that reproductive rights would be restricted, only that we don't have more than two options right now for the world's looming energy crisis.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I see. You didn't understand that the last part was a joke about the failings of both socialism and academic funding. That's what that part about "me and me alone" was about, me dictating how one might use finite resources if one cared about the future of humanity. I don't, but you get it.
DirtysMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't JUST have solar, we have wind/tide/geothermal in addition to biofuels.
We could ramp out a large portion of that with government run factories or public/private that would double as jobs programs/economic growth/increased tax base. It should be a break-even-at-worst long term project since we'd be selling a product to replace coal and power plants. Even if we operate at a loss, the increase in tax base would cover that loss.
And I think we'd limit the amount of coal/greenhouse energy business and homes could buy which would incentivize green energy. If Solar starts selling for 25% more than coal, power companies will ramp up production pretty fast. So instead of limiting all power to 5 KW we'd limit fossil fuel consumption to 5 kw and the spike in price for green energy would super-incentivize everyone to get solar/wind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can do similar analyses for wind/tide/geothermal. They all give you awful numbers. Anyway, I don't care about government policies, as these don't change the undeniable numbers, and we can't make the numbers that we need. If the entire world decided tomorrow to make only solar cells, I'd refer to my wild guess earlier that we might be able to get up to a couple tens of percent total energy supplied by renewables, not including hydroelectric and nuclear, because those are more or less fixed on twenty year timescales.
DirtysMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you overall, but you're wrong about government policy. We have the capacity to manufacture that much green energy, it's not impossible or close to it.
The best plan IMHO is to ramp up production, use the coal we have but stop building new coal plants, incentivize green energy creating financial incentives to speed up solar/wind, and plan on going to zero coal in about 20 years.
Electric cars with replaceable batteries/charging stations replacing gas stations is going to happen by then anyway. Once we get to a viable point California will phase out gas burning cars and the industry will just move on. Diesel trucks will do it before cars for the huge cost savings in fuel, especially when it's all automated drivers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need to not discuss electric cars, or anything that adjusts the power per person number, because I'm not talking about that, or at least saying nothing more about it than it's easier to lower that number than it is to supply renewable energy. I'm talking about producing renewable sources to meet entirely our current energy demands, and I do not agree in the least that we can manufacture an economy without fossil fuels. I'm not trying to insult you, but one billion, let alone nearly one hundred billion, is intractable with what we can do. If you can see all the way to a flat horizon in every direction on a boat in the middle of the ocean, this about 200 square miles or so, and we'd need roughly two hundred of these covered in solar cells in twenty years. I'm predicting this will not happen, even with the green party and a massive environmental movement.
DirtysMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feels like you're pushing talking points.
At this point new solar costs less than new coal per KWh. Are you honestly suggesting that big for-profit corporations will build coal plants when solar is cheaper to make and will continue to get even cheaper over time? The market will replace every coal plant in 30 years whether we legislate it or not.
I gave a 20 year estimate to go green entirely, which is quite realistic. I also included non-solar options which makes it much easier to cover the country.
We will very likely use natural gas (not green) instead of coal or biofuels as off-peak power because it's cheaper, but that'll be after green energy replaces the majority of power produced in the country simply from the market dictating lowest cost solutions.
It's not a big step from there to green, it's not going to hurt much to run night power off of home batteries and supplemental green power in 20 years. We can go green + nuclear and natural gas, or we can pay a little more and go fully green. But that's it, the cost of green is going to continue to drop more than gas/coal/nuclear.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not pushing talking points. I'm actually not stopping you from going out and building eighty billion solar panels either. Let me and me alone know when you figure out how to do it.
DirtysMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure /u/posturechecker, not sure why you deleted your account but I'll get right on it.
rasputin777 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:16:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, all those greedy sub-Saharan Africans are so selfish to not have gone to solar and wind.
elanhilation ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:22:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greed is the source of their problems. Some local, some international greed. But where there is human suffering, greed almost always has had a hand in what is going on.
theantirobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ford was being pretty greedy when he made affordable automobiles to sell to everyone. Andrew Carnegie was being greedy when he found a way to make steel so cheaply that coast to rail roads became feasible. Steve Jobs was being greedy when he found a way to pretty much create the smart phone industry.
As soon as you go live in the woods and eat worms and dirt you can give a lecture on greed. Until then you're being greedy with your clean drinking water, climate controlled housing, and refrigerator, and presumably a job that pays you. But be careful digging your worms, you wouldn't want to dig too many and be greedy.
markspankity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's more human nature than just greed. Humans are extremely flawed, we're only animals trying to thrive in our environment. It's every man for himself in the jungle, and the jungle is pretty damn huge now. There's a lot of fucked up stuff that humans have done to each other but unfortunately that's just the way out world is.
rghiu ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 15:03:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has nothing to do with greed, it has to do with the economics of energy. As long as it is cheaper to pump oil out of the ground and use it to fuel cars, we'll do that. As soon as it becomes more economically viable to use renewable energy, we'll do that.
Human self-interest is a fact of nature and nothing is going to change that - in fact, it's quite a useful thing most of the time and is what drives society forward. However, we can change the nature of the economics of energy by developing better renewables etc.
Yuccaphile ยท 80 points ยท Posted at 15:08:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but how is that not greed?
rghiu ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could argue that it is. But then what? You're not going to cure humanity of greed. And besides, human self-interest is a huge motivator and an important part of what moves society forward.
What you can do is to set up a system of incentives that promotes the general welfare, such that individuals will act in such a way that benefits society.
By just thinking about the energy market in terms of "greed" you get to feel superior but you're never going to actually accomplish anything.
CptComet ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:24:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bingo
in_time_for_supper_x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are right. We all care about our own well-being, and improving the lives of others around us means that we also benefit. We benefit from living in a society where people care about each other, as we are all in this together.
This is a very simplified description of secular humanism, but I think that understanding these concepts better will also lead to a better awareness about how we can improve our lives and those of others.
Yuccaphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taking abound things is good. It increases public awareness regarding things people might not think about on their own, or things that wouldn't affect them that they might care about. Discussing social issues isn't about feeling superior, at least not for myself. This "system of incentives" you're talking about will never come to be if people don't talk about it.
You shouldn't shame people for taking about what they care about. If it's not important to you, you most likely have little to add, so you might as well let it be. But to tell someone that they're only saying something to feel superior to others is a little hasty.
Greed is not as innately human as you might think, Western world aside. There are individuals and communities who go about their business in a rather selfless way. It is possible. Capitalism is not a human trait. Money is not everything. Moving society forward is very subjective.
rghiu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:39:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you care about the issue then you should care about the tactics you are using. Calling people greedy is unproductive and likely to polarize as opposed to build consensus.
Yuccaphile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are greedy. Without a doubt. I don't mean to say every person is, just people in general.
rghiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why not just make that a working assumption when you're trying to come up with a solution? Arguing that greed is bad is like arguing against gravity. It's going to happen, factor it into your calculations.
kingofkale13 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly it is very possible that we could have renewable energy right now if it wasn't for greed. Nikola Tesla for instance was working to give the world free energy. His funding was pulled because it wouldn't make money because there would be no way to regulate it.
rghiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that corporate capture of government is usually a bad thing and we should fight it at every step.
GEAUXUL ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 15:29:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is a poor person buying a $2,000 gas powered car over a $40,000 electric car greedy to you?
We all buy the cheapest thing. If that's greedy then everything is greedy.
usernameblankface ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:34:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say greed shows up most in the sellers, not the buyers.
BowtieCustomerRep ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:49:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you decide not to be greedy and pay livable wages with decent prices, a hundred other companies with seize your kindness and choke you out of the business with their greed incentive.
Lukiss ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:02:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is why government's exist and can regulate industries, come on people
zane17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Governments are inefficient, victim to the same forces, and you shouldn't expect departments to avoid being captured for very long.
Lukiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure having a for profit motive for everything has gone so well in the past. And I'm sure regulations = nationalization. Are you for private K-12 schools too?
zane17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you implying the US public school system is a success of government?
Lukiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No i think our public education system is awful, and I think privatizing it and giving "vouchers" to charter schools will only make public schools worse. I want to fix the public system as it's a basic right for everyone to be able to get an education.
ExtremelyLongButtock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:52:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Compared to the time before a high school education was the right of every citizen, yes. It's been going downhill lately for a variety of reasons, but the mere fact that it's administered by the government isn't the problem. It's the way they're doing it.
Sneezegoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sigh, unzips
Hero_of_Hyrule ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But muh free market! But muh capitalism!
That_randomdutchguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly, people have not caught on to your sarcasm.
sabasco_tauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fucking commie
goldandguns ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not how this works
usernameblankface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. That too.
myhipsi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the case. Buyers are just as greedy as sellers. Lineups and/or mayhem in the stores on Black Friday is a good example. Buyers want something of value as cheap as they can possibly get it, sellers want to sell it for as much as they can sell it for. The price for most goods and services ends up somewhere in the middle.
usernameblankface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:15:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is true that the consumer is equally greedy, if not more so. But the seller has a greater impact, especially in terms of energy.
vnotfound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except fossil fuel companies have billions of dollars so they have the money to invest.
And you know it's gonna be lucrative.
ChunkyDay ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that poor person never hired any scientists to essentially invent studies to justify their continued use of said car.
Equating the two is simply stupid. Ignorant, at best.
Yuccaphile ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't all buy the cheapest thing, though. And yes, if the price is what matters most to you, I might go as far to call you greedy. Why, you ask? Because you're basing the decision on what you and only you have to gain or lose. Buying a hybrid or electric vehicle would be less greedy, because you have little to gain from it aside from lowering your contribution to pollution (to simplify matters, not necessarily literally).
You really had to reach for an example that wouldn't be greed, in which you succeeded. I don't think that a poor person should sacrifice food and family for a slightly more environmentally conscientious car. However, if a poor person doesn't need a car, then it's still greed.
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santaclaus73 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:05:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're making a decision based on self interest. If the poor person needs a car their needs are going to need to be met before they consider environmental effects. That isn't greed, that's what literally everyone does, it's common sense and survival. That isn't going anywhere anytime soon. It isn't greed to choose to not create a business that isn't profitable. The business is not sustainable at that point and it fails.
Yuccaphile ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 16:14:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whether or not it happens doesn't change what it is, though. Decisions based on self interest are typically greedy. How you view that is a different issue entirely. I'm not about judging individual citizens for their choices, but that doesn't change what it is. I accept than humans, more than not, are greedy. Just because most of us are doesn't change what we are.
CptComet ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:21:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you might be underestimating the number of poor people that can't choose low carbon options.
Yuccaphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't intend for this conversation to turn into a debate about what poor people do, how they spend their money, and what they need to live. It's a very tangential point, and came out of the blue and a half assed example.
CptComet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's extremely relevant to the conversation because it makes something that's difficult to measure immediately tangible. The real discussion is the net impact high cost renewable energies have on the poor and middle class. Energy and matter are the two fundamental resources required to make or do anything. When you require people to choose a higher cost energy option, it raises the cost of everything from new cars all the way down to a number 2 pencil. It would cause people that currently not struggling to struggle. Explaining away that there will be government programs to help with the costs simply moves and expands the problem. You can't run away from the fundamentals.
Yuccaphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, you do agree that people are greedy?
CptComet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If wanting the materials necessary for basic survival is being greedy, then yes.
Yuccaphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, sorry, you didn't mention anything that is necessary for basic human survival.
I'm pretty sure this discussion has strayed far, far away from where it began.
Honestly, I don't know what point anyone is trying to make anymore.
CptComet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What else do you think people are discussing when they are talking about transportation, housing, and material needs? Energy issues affect the basic needs for survival. It's not an academic game or question. If we make fundamental inputs into the economy more expensive, people start to be unable to afford their basic needs.
mexicanstandofficer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you only have $3000 to spend on a car, it's not greedy to buy that car instead of an electric car($$$). It's just not currently feasible for a huge part of the population.
Yuccaphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How has this become about cars... it's not about cars... I didn't bring up cars...
I understand poor people don't have as much capital as rich people, and I do not think their choices are greedy because that's all they can afford. It was a terrible example for several reasons, and it wasn't mine.
Yuccaphile ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:46:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If one really wanted to, hybrid vehicles aren't much more than petrol. It doesn't have to be an EV.
bdaniel44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whats "not much more" to you might be an insurmountable amount to someone worse off. maybe an extra thousand bucks on a hybrid is no big deal to you, but a non starter for others. you are basically saying "if they REALLY want to, they will just spend more money", when reality is that some people just...cant. you make it sound like a selfish choice when its one of necissity
Yuccaphile ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if you're poor, you shouldn't take MPG into consideration when purchasing a vehicle? Please, that's top on the list. I'm not hating on poor people, and I don't know how this discussion turned from "using fossil fuels as the standard for our nation's where needs stems from greed" to "poor people can't afford EV's." I don't think that was the point anyone was trying to make.
bdaniel44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you are really poor and need a car, you buy the cheapest thing you can get your hands on, in the short term. yes it might save you money to get a hybrid over the longterm but thats just not how being poor works. i just take exception to "well it really is greed and selfishness and if they cared more about the planet they would find a way to make a better, more expensive choice. i can find a gas powered car on craiglist for 2k right now that will get me to work. the cheapest hybrid i could find in a search was 7k.
Yuccaphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said anything against poor people. I didn't bring cars up. I think it's a terrible example.
mexicanstandofficer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the point people were trying to make is that the choices most people make are intended to fulfill short term needs, not to avoid adverse long-term consequences, hence the continuing demand for diesel/gas-burning autos and, subsequently, the continuing existence of oil companies. The entire world economy is based on oil and other fossil fuels: agriculture, medicine, transportation, lubrication of all kinds of machines, roofs, industrial chemicals, clothing, electricity, everything. It's not greed that drives the consumption of oil, it's the desire to progress and create a better quality of life. Fossil fuels have led to advancements in all facets of human life across the globe, unfortunately it's also contributing to deforestation, destruction of a diverse array of habitats, contamination of groundwater and the oceans, atmospheric pollution, rise in temperatures, etc. If you suddenly didn't have oil, you and most people on Earth would likely perish in months. It's a nice dream but it's probably not going to happen anytime soon so the alternative is to look for ways to maintain our current energy needs without sacrificing our standard of living. No one's figured it out yet. If you have any ideas you're more than welcome to chime in.
Yuccaphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree to disagree.
santaclaus73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:36 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's is a big difference between choosing actions that benefit yourself and greed. Doing something for someone else if it's harming you is not healthy or noble. It's a detriment to yourself, which in turn is detrimental to those close to you or to those who depend on you. THAT is selfishness, ironically. Seems backwards doesn't it? There is also a fine line between ambition and greed, by the way. One is perfectly normal and OK, we're literally biologically designed for it; greed is is hoarding without helping others.
Yuccaphile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:51:41 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I defined greed above. That's what I'm working off of.
AgedMaduro ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:10:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that example a reach? There are lots of poor people (or even middle-class or whatever you call them that can't afford anything more than inexpensive gas powered cars) and lots of them need to drive. Poor people buying cheap things isn't some out-of-nowhere example, it's literally all around us.
Yuccaphile ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:20:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of all the modifiers. Not people, poor people. Not just a car, a $2000 car. Not just an efficient vehicle, a $40k electric vehicle. Not just because they want to, but because they need to.
Right, in that very specific example, that's not greed. That's not more than they need and it's what they can afford. Why not compare a $5000 2008 Chevy Impala SS with a $6000 2007 Prius? Now the issue of need versus want is more marginal.
To take the "reaching" example father, you could compare buying a $500 horse versus a $125k Ferrari. You could make it as ridiculous as you wanted, and that's why the example was a reach. There are exceptions to everything.
brick_eater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't all do that, but most do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:40:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He chooses a dvd for tonight
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CptComet ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything that's inconvenient is a conspiracy.
hio_State ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:31:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greed is what fuels most of our progress. Do you think companies and investors are funding alternative energies to the tune of billions upon billions of dollars now out of altruism? They're doing it so they can bring it to market and rake in money.
Yuccaphile ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:51:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree with your first statement, keeping in mind that progress is subjective. There's a good bit of work done on this Earth for the benefit of others, some of it even selflessly so.
Aside from that, spot on. Greed (or just money/power) is too often the motivator in life.
airstrike ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as pure altruism. See http://econweb.ucsd.edu/~jandreon/Publications/ej90.pdf
Yuccaphile ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:48:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before I peruse that 15 page paper, would you like to summarize what your point might be on bringing it up? I couldn't manage to correlate the title to the conversation.
airstrike ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is arguably the landmark paper on altruism from an academic perspective.
Abstract: When people make donations to privately provided public goods, such as charity, there may be many factors influencing their decision other than altruism. Social pressure, guilt, sympathy, or simply a desire for a "warm glow" may all be important. This paper considers such impure altruism formally and develops a wide set of implications. In particular, this paper discusses the invariance proposition of public goods, solves for the sufficient conditions for neutrality to hold, examines the optimal tax treatment of charitable giving, and calibrates the model based on econometric studies in order to consider policy experiments. Impure altruism is shown to be more consistent with observed patterns of giving than the conventional pure altruism approach, and to have policy implications that may differ widely from those of the conventional models.
Source
skwerlee ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:17:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is greed.. but greed is also responsible for many of the things that have improved quality of life for
mbillions. Capitalism doesn't operate without self-interest.solomon34 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's greed when you're driving a gas guzzling Cadillac to your silicon valley job, it's practicality when you're most people.
Subrotow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny because a lot of renewable energy initiatives begins in the silicon Valley.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...way to turn a discussion into bigotry.
-Tenko- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:08:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was under the impression that clean energy was cheaper than fossil fuels. I see posts all the time about it.
proweruser ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:15:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is now. Which is why you are such a boom at the moment. But it will take quite a bit of time till we have enough that we can fully rely on it.
-Tenko- ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:55:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im a boom?
kmutch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congratulations!
xanatos451 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and no. It's cheaper in certain areas where sufficient sun/wind/hydro/thermal is available. There's a problem with dense energy storage for transportation/long term storage use though still. Battery tech has come a long way, but batteries are expensive and dirty to produce and they have short lifespans relatively. If we can find an easy to transport, sufficiently dense storage medium, especially if it can be transferred faster than it takes to recharge a battery, it would be a massive discovery. Hydrocarbons are excellent at storing energy while being relatively stable, their biggest problem however is they release carbons into the atmosphere (carbon dioxide/monoxide) and combustion engines are relatively inefficient. Ideally a high efficiency fuel cell can be created as well. Then we can use clean energy sources, store it as some form of stable fuel that can then be used in fuel cells for things where batteries make less sense (aircraft/long haul transportation/supplemental grid storage).
bstix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It all depends on the economic backbone. Obviously, renewable energy which requires no cost for fuel, should be capable of producing "free" energy once the investment is paid off.
There's just too many people already sharing the cake. One guy is producing the turbines or panels and should get paid. Another guy is putting it on his property and should get paid. A third guy is enabling the power through his grids and should be paid. The people who invested and risked their money into building the grid and power plants (both renewable and conventional) needs their interest paid. Then there's all the consultants in every related field who'll optimise the investments and need a cut. Finally there's the taxman needing a cut off any revenue and also specific energy taxes.
So, sure. If you had a turbine or solar panel on your own land, you could go off grid and maybe even convert the surplus into something of a value. But in most countries that's just not allowed. Why? Because everybody else wants their piece of the cake.
I've always been fascinated by renewable energy. I love the tech and think it both could and should benefit the entire mankind, but the more learn about how it actually works financially and politically I get more and more pessimistic. It's not that I don't understand the reasoning, it's just that the current economic models lack any kind of visions on a larger scale than individuals lining their pockets.
The technology is fine, but the business is limiting the potential.
Zienth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on timing. Lots of renewables cannot increase power at will or are really inconsistent. Providing power to the grid during low demand isn't as valuable as during high demand times, and fossil fuel power plants have no problem ramping up capacity to meet those high demand times. This is probably the biggest reason you won't ever see fossil fuel power plants go away for a long time, even if they start becoming uneconomical.
president2016 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why nuclear (fusion/fission) is the future. Renewables cannot get us there and only provide a small part.
Zienth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad many countries are taking away nuclear power :(. Such a major loss to global warming.
Grognor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:54:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hydro is better if you can have it. But you have to have the right geography for it, so for a lot of countries it is not an option.
rghiu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because reddit is a liberal echo chamber. It's not.
frank_loves_you ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:45:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate this attitude that things are okay because markets encourage it.
It's cheaper to use slaves to make t-shirts, and yeah people would probably buy them, but it's morally wrong and requires legal action or a change in the system to fix it.
And of course these changes are opposed by the people who got wealthy from them in the first place.
rghiu ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that things are ok because the market encourages it, I'm saying that the market is by far the best way to allocate resources. If we want to make small adjustments here and there to account for negative externalities, then let's go for it, but thinking you're going to fix this problem by labeling people as "greedy" is childish.
frank_loves_you ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The market is good at finding a true value. The market would also set a true value for slaves. If the thing being traded is immoral, the market isn't going to stop the trading, or reduce it to sustainable levels.
The markets most people talk about simply set a price, selling at the market value is not normally considered 'greedy'. The greed comes in when money influences politics, science and the media so the people selling their fossil fuels can spread misinformation to make more profit.
kjbigs282 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I. Kant quite see your point /s
turnonthesunflower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There have been written many articles about how big oil have been sabotaging clean energy research and implimentation etc. On mobile but will link later.
Edit: Example
sdmitch16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already cheaper to switch to renewable if you factor in fossil fuel subsidies and health problems from fossils fuels (mostly from mining and burning coal).
rghiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that we shouldn't subsidize fossil fuels.
StumpNuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except oil companies are lobbying to prevent renewable energy from becoming a thing simply because money.
rghiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that government shouldn't be involved in promoting fossil fuels.
Jeffreyrock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nonsense. The very first cars were electric and it was only the greed induced immense political power of the fossil fuel industry that made sure fuel combustion became the wave of the future and it's the same greed and power that has prevented any alternate methods from making any headway.
robotsongs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, then, piggybacks on my wish, which is that, during my lifetime, humans do away with all monetary forms.
Just like in Star Trek. If we have unlimited energy, meaning near unlimited resources, no need for monetary policy, it would be wonderful.
Like, 90% of the world's ills would be solved.
TheHateCamel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh, the sound of people reasoning their own species' suicide
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rghiu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:13:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, but what's the point of looking at it through that lens? It's a dead end street. You aren't going to change human nature. People are always going to look out for their self-interest at the micro scale and they are always going to respond to the system of incentives we set up as a society.
If we want to change behavior, we need to change the system of incentives, and merely labeling people as greedy isn't really going to accomplish anything.
moleratical ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:29:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that not greed?
santaclaus73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"economically viable". People are not going to build a company that cannot sustain itself, that would be a stupid decision.
Lukiss ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See how simple "free markets" don't mix with morals too well?
rghiu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enslaving humans =/= filling up my car with gas so I can go get groceries.
Lukiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying you are equivalent to enslaving humans when you fill up your car with gas. I'm saying the oil and gas companies that are destroying the planet through their commerce are equivalent to enslaving humans, in the sense that both are morally untenable and should be outlawed.
I'm saying that your argument of "that's just economics" is naive, and that governments regulation and laws should ban the practice, similar to what we're seeing with the Paris Accords (even though those aren't nearly as much as should be done, but it's a step)
codeklutch ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sad thing though, is there is more money in clean energy now than there is in keeping fossil fuels.
MattEZQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but think of all the money that could be made trying to repair the damage done by fossil fuels
codeklutch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. If we were to start abandoning fossil fuels today, it would create a massive amount of jobs. Jobs for installing new equipment, breaking down old equipment and job sites, restoring the land or re-purposing it (such as creating tours of mineshafts?, creating the new equipment, people who maintain and run the software side of the new equipment. People want factory jobs so bad? Well, now we have a need to create solar panels and wind turbines. All these college grads with no jobs? Let's put em to hard labor and have them start installing and setting up equipment. Damn, truck drivers can make out too. We are literally sitting here complaining about this problem while we're closing our eyes, plugging our ears and screaming bloody murder like 6 year olds whenever the solution starts to talk. Things don't always need to stay the same, everything needs to grow and what we're doing as a planet, mostly as the united states, is saying we refuse to grow up. This shouldn't even be about fixing the environment anymore. Fuck the environment if that's how you really feel, but to say fuck profits and fuck every single citizen who is out of work is what we should be fighting. We already know the baby boomers and wealthy don't give a shit about the planet, and they only pretend to care about people. Tell them there's profit in it, tell them if they do this, more people will have jobs which means more people can spend more money. Going green shouldn't be the fight anymore. The fight should be for more jobs and more money for the people who actually can afford to give a shit about making policies change.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhat true but also the tech we have just isn't capable of taking over yet.
Those making money will soon jump ship as the profits will decline rapidly in the coming years.
If only we had started taking this seriously when it was first discovered and not 40+ years later.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real reason is that there isn't anything ready to practically replace fossil fuels yet. There's a lot of transition, infrastructure, individuals acquiring the new cars and the power stations capable of handling energy generation on the scale of fossil fuels, etc that has to happen. That doesn't happen because someone doesn't like fossil fuels. It is market driven, whether that be because fossil fuels diminish and demand increases, or because an alternative comes along that is more easily affordable by the masses.
president2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once and or concurrently when electric vehicles take over, nuclear will replace fossil fuels.
garlicroastedpotato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not accurate. The problem with fossil fuels is legacy costs, not profitability. There are very few power projects that are not paid for in part by the taxpayers.
The first part of it is the life of a plant. Your typical coal plant is going to have a life of 40 years. So a plant we built in 1970 that needs replacement isn't as expensive to replace as that one we built in 1990, and even less expensive than the one we built in 2000. The expense (known as legacy costs) comes in the form of the loan that you would take to finance such a project. So you're still paying for the coal power you are not using and now you have to finance and fund renewable power.
It means that despite some forms of renewables (wind and hydro for example) being more cost effective than fossil fuels.... they represent a very large increased cost to the consumer. Companies would happily switch to renewable energy if the government paid them to because they would get to double bill the government for a power system they wouldn't be using.
The other problem is also government related (and not profit related). Coal and oil provide a lot of jobs. Typically when you do an energy project you want most of the spin offs to it to go to your country. Generators, turbines, and replacement parts for hydro dams, all built in America. Solar panels.... uh.... mostly build in China. There is actually an abundance of new wind projects across the United States because General Electric produces most of the parts needed for wind. But solar, that's all China.
There is an addiction to coal and oil because both of those industries have spin off industries that produce high paying jobs. That in turn means that those regions will be lobbying and working to keep those sorts of jobs going. For the first time that the Democrats pledged ending the use of fossil fuels the state of Michigan flipped Republican (who promised to protect coal).
So really, private corporations would love to have a grid that is based around renewable energies (because maintenance costs are cheaper for most of it). But really it comes down to private citizens and government. They have to be willing to throw away billions of dollars in tax revenues and thousands of jobs to go clean. It's not an easy transition.
Humble_but_Hostile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't consider myself and expert on this subject at all, but what happens when coal and oil runs out. Those jobs and revenue will disappear anyways. We've probably had a good 90+ years of building the infrastructure to make fossil fuels cost efficient to the consumer. I get that oil is not just to fuel our cars because we literally use it for everything. But this resource will eventually run out. I don't get why we don't focus all of our R& D into making renewable energy more cost efficient for everyone
edit: a word
purplethem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, read about peak oil. You can see even modern predictions are further out than past predictions or predicated on a switch to renewables. Running out of oil is not a serious concern
amuzmint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true.
Claylock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is literally exactly why. The non-renewable resource investors stunts the growth of progress for a wider profit margin.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's still a profit to be made, because there's still consumer demand to fulfill.
As consumers move away from fossil fuel-based goods, then the profit falls.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You call it greed. The newly formed Chinese and Indian middle class calls it a life with dignity.
AliveByLovesGlory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fossil fuels are the cheapest energy available, with zero government intervention. If we got rid of half the regulations and stopped subsidizing it's competitors, it would be cheaper by far.
SizzlyG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's certainly why energy companies and CEOs are starting up clean energy infrastructure and denounced the US leaving the Paris agreements while they're also funding campaigns for climate change deniers across the country so
HitsABlunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Profits Driven by Demand....
GroundhogExpert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't honestly believe that, do you? Clean energy isn't less profitable, and there is a sea of companies searching out ways to make it viable, it just requires more investment and research. Luckily, we have someone like Elon Musk who gets that and is using his money to invest in exactly these areas. But he isn't doing it for charity.
aftalifex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah man, they have engines that run almost exclusively on water but you never see them because of big companies. Do a little research on it, its super interesting.
libertydawg18 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And clean renewable energy is bloody fucking expensive to produce comparatively
iamaiamscat ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there's still profit to be made from fossil fuels, then that means it makes sense to still be using a lot of fossil fuels.
ticasputas ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is a mineral, oil is mineral no fosil...
Lardbucket68 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make that 90%. The other 10% is just us being assholes. An end to greed would solve an enormous amount of problems.
bikermikefrommars ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is more than 50%. Though I don't think it'll ever be solved. We are all imperfect after all and will fall short one way or the other.
Judson_Scott ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:27:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greed and ambition. The US could easily be 100% renewables right now, but that would have required politicians in the '70s and '80s to form long-term plans, rather than just planning for the next election.
I'm a project manager. All of the planning I do begins with the end goal, and then figures out how to reach that goal. Sometimes a project takes a week, and sometimes -- for master planning -- it takes 10+ years.
There is no comparable system in politics, and there never will be.
MarkNUUTTTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are certainly long term projects in government. And there are massive problems we still need to solve to go 100% renewable for a wide and expansive country. Storing power is still an issue, one that we are making progress on, but it's still an issue.
theantirobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we could have been on 100% renewables right now if politicians in the 40s and 50s didn't decide to build a national highway system, providing incentive for everyone to own their own car and putting railways out of business.
That's why politics should not be seen as a vector for public works.
mooseknucks26 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:49:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally this. Human greed means someone, somewhere is looking to monopolize whatever cheap, clean, renewable energy source comes up as the most viable.
You want to insta fix half of the world's problems? Fix the issue of greed.
Pr1sm4 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So kill all humans. Got it.
mooseknucks26 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:52:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not all humans. Don't get greedy.
cosmicsans ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All humans except for Fry.
Jack_BE ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:55:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a.k.a. "The Bender method"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works for me.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:35:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greed can also be kind of a necessary evil, without people being greedy we wouldn't have half the shit we have today
mooseknucks26 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion, greed played no, or very little, role in those cases.
People make breakthroughs, inventions, discoveries, cures, and all of the cool shit we use today, because they are/were hardworkers, driven, passionate about what they're doing, and many other things, but greed is rarely one of them.
If you think doctors and scientists around the world are trying to find the cure for cancer because they want to patent it and keep it from the public so they can charge vast sums, you're dead fucking wrong. They do it because of what it means to mankind to conquer these things, or invent/discover better ways of making and doing things.
Greed comes in when people take the cure to cancer, and charge unrealistic prices for it. Not the people who actually did the work to invent/discover it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh and also that funding by companies who want to make a profit. And I know, profit squared=evil and yadda yadda yadda, but I really would like to see a country where people are not driven by profit or a guy from the government with a gun that is highly successful in research (btw, industrial espionage isn't research). Once you come up with just about Jack and shit it makes it pretty clear that while a drive to solve problems and to help people is a huge part of it people are also motivated by the bucket loads of money they get as researchers. Someone's gotta pay em, businesses tend to be pretty decent at it, that's why pretty much every industry with rapid advancement is located in a capitalist country where profit is one of the driving motivators.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of inventions were made by hardworking, passionate people like you said, but without the motivation or benefit of making money they probably wouldn't be driven to make those things. Steve Jobs didn't just wake up one day and decide "I'm gonna make a smartphone for no reason other than the fact that I want to". If there was no money to be made he wouldn't have made the Iphone
mooseknucks26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a massive difference between people who are doing a job, and expect to be paid for their contributions, and people who try to increase that amount by stepping on others to do so.
I am not trying to relate greed to money. Greed is much more than just money, or the desire to acquire it. Greed is when you want more money, and are willing to sacrifice others to do so. When the value of decency and responsibility goes out the window for the sake of getting more money (I'm just using money as an easy example), that's greedy. And greedy people take advantage of any opportunity they can. Including clean energy. And the result of greed is a fucked up market that disadvantages the consumer.
Again, I just use money as an easy example. Another would be oil. Greed has driven us to drill/dig/frack in deeper and more dangerous places, in search of more oil. The environmental damage alone is massive, and now we've created a market that wants to prop up oil when clean, non-fossil fuel energy is the clear long-term solution. Thankfully, there's enough momentum in the clean energy sector now that we're actually making process. But to imagine that someone won't come along and push the limits for more money would be silly.
290077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The scientists may not be driven by greed, but scientific progress is not free, and the people who pony up the cash for these scientific endeavors do so because they hope to profit off of it.
Without greedy investors, the scientists could not afford to run their experiments.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:42:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mooseknucks26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you understand what I'm saying.
At no point did I say it was unreasonable to give people credit where it's due. I was implying that there are enough people out there that are actively seeking to take advantage of others for their own benefit, and renewable energy isn't immune from those types.
An example is that douche bag who upped prices on prescription drugs for the sole purpose of making himself more money. He himself did not make the drug, or was directly involved in making it, but was in a position to sell it, and make money off of it. He did that, and put an unfair price on it to make even more money. That is what greed is.
How the hell you got this idea that I was saying the people directly involved shouldn't be rewarded for doing their hard work, is beyond me. Reddit as a whole could use some practice in reading comprehension.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mooseknucks26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least some people would argue that what he did is unorthodox, at the least. At the most, it is disrespectful to the people who had relied on that drug, and it's price point, for many, many years, as you pointed out.
The article I linked had a good example of what greed really is. When asked about the drug hike, he just replies, "Itโs a business, weโre supposed to make as much money as possible", which underlines how much relevance he places in the people using his product. What makes him a greedy douche bag is that he doesn't seem to understand that his company provides healthcare to people, and the whole premise behind profiting off of sick people is fucking pathetic.
I spoke out against people who utilize monopolies to directly benefit themselves, at the expense of others.
Also, let's stop comparing patents to monopolies. A patent, like you said, is only for a certain time frame, and completely legal. It was designed to encourage research and development of such high-risk, long term projects such as medicine, while providing a way to help recoup some of the investment spent.
When the patent covers something that is so crucial to society, such as medicine, it's a bit of a fucked up move to hold that over everyone and demand exorbitant, unrealistic prices. Which is what my entire point was; greed is rampant, and turns great things like medicine, into tools for the greedy to help themselves at the expense of others. If you don't see why that's a problem, I don't what else to tell you.
My points are my own, and my opinion is my own as well. Perhaps you should stop making assumptions about what I do or don't know. Are you more interested in backing up your weak arguments, or insulting me because you didn't understand what I was saying?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mooseknucks26 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing I've read suggested he was improving anything. Please, provide a source to prove that the company was improving the drug he hiked the price on.
Again, don't know where you read that I didn't understand that. No shit, businesses are in it for money. I'm not saying all businesses should be non-profit and offer all of their stuff for free. The fact I have to explain that this isn't what I meant is kind of perplexing, because I felt like I was pretty clear that I don't have issue with people making money.
It's when the pursuit of more profit comes at the expense of people making or purchasing those goods, is when I call it greed. What else would you call that? Good business practice? You'd definitely fit in with the business elite you pretend to be.
Again, would love to see the sources on this. The article I linked before quoted him as saying he raised $100 million as a result of the hike. In an industry that deals in the billions, what can $100 million legitimately improve upon that your normal fundraising options couldn't have covered? Sounds to me like he had investors who didn't trust him, and he chose the quickest option to get them to commit by turning a quick profit at the expense of people's healthcare. Apparently, they were right to be concerned, considering he was convicted of securities fraud.
Wow, thanks professor. Without you, this super obvious bit of information would have been lost to me.
If you can't strike a balance between profit and cost to the consumer, you aren't making the consumer happy. When you have an item that only you can produce, and you gouge the price to an unrealistic amount simply because you can, you are a greedy fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mooseknucks26 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:09:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I just have a different opinion than you, and you're obsessed with trying to prove that I, a random internet stranger, know less than you. Maybe you should grow the fuck up?
s1rdanks ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cough cough..... the American health care system where you have people/organizations/companies trying to turn a profit on every level and product used driving the costs way up. I don't think there is a better example of this in our society of greed getting in the way. We see access to whatever healthcare you need to live for however long you possibly can as a human right (societally) so why are we still profiteering in the industry? Like why are we telling people/creating the circumstance that someone can't get the healthcare they need to live or prevent/catch things early enough that they don't die simply because they don't have enough money? I don't think anyone is okay with actually saying to anyone "You don't deserve the care you need because you/your parents don't make enough money so you are going to die and that's just tough luck but it's entirely fair and the way the world should work."
And I don't think there is anyone who would be willing to say "yeah you may have worked really hard to get yourself out of poverty as kids, paid your ways through college, survived cancer in your 20s (one parent of mine), got screwed by your first marriage in the settlement/scenario (both parents), worked your ass off to get to CIO of your small company or make really good money working in the financial securities industry, were financially super responsible, never splurged on things like cars or TVs or clothes because of brand even though you could afford it because you are so focused on value, and invested your money well, but it's totally acceptable/fair/the right thing/American that even with insurance you had to drain your savings and dip into the retirement money you have been so responsible putting together since you started your careers because one of you has cancer at 60 and needs a mastectomy and 6 months of chemo to potentially beat it and live the rest of your potential life happy and healthy with your family."
Are we as a country really okay with this being the reality of our healthcare system? Are we okay with healthcare costs being so high because people want to make a $$ on everything from the insurance, to the machine used to test you, to the scalpel used during surgery? Are we okay with people dying because they can't afford treatment? Are we okay having people achieve the "American Dream" hit upper middle class only to see there entire life's work go away because they got sick with one major thing (using this as my example because this is what most of people dream/strive to accomplish in this life)? I'm not saying it should change to "you get free everything healthcare" because I don't think that would fix everything. I'm just posing the question.....Are we okay with this? And if we aren't how do we make it better?
AliveByLovesGlory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthcare costs are high because somr people never pay their bills. Their costs go to everyone else. People from all over he world travel to America, receive their important life saving procedures, and leave without paying. Americans foot the bill, which is why we can't get cheaper healthcare for our own citizens.
Jemima_Aunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like 90%
daddydunc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bingo. Greed is one of the only constants throughout human history.
lye_milkshake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And 49.9% is human stupidity.
Ekudar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, I can't help but think, what is the cause of most of our problems? Greed.
Think 1984, Brave New World, etc. It's all about a group of people wanting control and to have more nice things than the rest.
And our world is exactly like that.
SleepingSlave ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% this. Greed almost always kills innovation and progress.
sivrag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see a reason why the major coal and gas industries wouldn't be invested in being the dominant controllers of this too. I'm okay with a greedy oil magnate becoming a greedy solar magnate. The government will subsidize the cost and there will always be money to be made in fueling the world's energy.
Diversify the portfolio! Invest in keeping the planet alive so you don't eradicate your customer base! Cocaine grows from plants! Prostitutes with creepy resemblances to your daughter breath oxygen! You can't indulge your wealth without a place to do it and Space-X is not bailing us out any time soon.
CptComet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should take this as a hint to renewables real life challenges. They are generally more expensive than available alternatives. High cost commodities make poor investments.
sivrag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Releasing green house gases into the environment creates a debt that won't be manageable by any single oil company. The investment is in the future of the species, not a company's bottom line. Infrastructure took time to build and it will take time to shift, but the decision to do so can't just be reliant on which is the most convenient at the time.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know people on Reddit tend to have this view that human greed is just the root of everything horrible and evil in the world, but also forget it was also the reason why pretty much everything good in the world exists. Your cellphone didn't come from charity, it came from a series of people with really good ideas getting paid to carry them out by people with the money to back it.
Not to say greed isn't a problem in many areas in life but it's just that it's really annoying seeing Reddit go on about the horrors of human greed like they don't understand it's a double edged sword and it's the reason we don't live in mud huts.
BallsDandy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not greed, it's capitalism. far more insideous tbh
theantirobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure all the most dangerous despots over the last 100 years have been communists and socialists. If you don't like capitalism, Venezuela sounds like a good place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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theantirobot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:27:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
regularITdude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aka capitalism
AliveByLovesGlory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want to live in Venezuela? Be my guest!
theantirobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aka the single greatest creator of prosperity the world has ever known...
regularITdude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
interesting use of subjective words
_phosphorus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:58:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greed has created more wealth and prosperity for the world than any other human trait in history.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:38:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jsteph67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ambition to be rich.
I_MELT_STEEL_BEAMS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more like 95%. Greed is the #1 reason research into sustainable energy has been hampered for a century, is the reason entire continents have borders the way they are (with all the consequences it implies) and why there's still slavery in the 21st century. We could also probably cure most diseases, cancer included, if profitability didn't come into play.
Goldberg31415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right the greed of billionares pouring billions and billions into renewable power because they want cheaper energy.
I_MELT_STEEL_BEAMS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A drop in the proverbial bucket compared to the hundreds of billions invested in oil and its infrastructure, in buying patents to ensure there's no competition, in buying and shutting down public transit, etc.
Goldberg31415 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go invest your own money and risk it.Tesla was briefy the largest automaker in the USA and is now worth nearly 60 billion$ and many green tech titans like Musk are billionares thanks to their investments in green tech that worked out.
Also there are trillions invested in oil because entire world runs on the stuff and attributing some conspiracy theories about "them" blocking advances is ignorant and disrespectfull to millions of engineers that work hard to solve problems of energy storage and this is a very complex issue
I_MELT_STEEL_BEAMS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to forget how automakers and big oil have been killing their competitors since the 1930s. There used to be efficient public transportation in most places until Ford and General Motors started buying the companies to shut them down in order to sell more cars. Tesla is a very new thing and is only big in a couple of countries and its market cap isn't representative of the # of vehicles they make.
Goldberg31415 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General Motors have stopped Toyota and other automakers from taking their market share ? If they "shut down competing public transport" why does subways even exist in the US?
Microsoft stopped Google or Yahoo stopped Google that had a superior technology?
It is very hard to compete in transportation with energy density of hydrocarbons and even a very inefficient combustion engine was beyond what batteries could provide for decades and only recently lithium ion is coming close to being competitive against petrol
I_MELT_STEEL_BEAMS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You seem to ignore the fact there was electric public transportation (a lot of streetcars) in pretty much every medium to large city, starting from the late 19th century. Ford and big oil killed public transportation everywhere they could to create an artificial demand for individual cars. It's very well documented.
souprize ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greed isn't innate, it's learned. Part of what creates this learned practice is material conditions. With easy renewable energy the whole world can get(without rare earth resources) so much of the hostility between nations would be tampered down.
Meme-Magician22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In case you didn't realize, material conditions are inescapable.. We live in a finite material universe on an overcrowded ball. Are you going to argue animals acting in self-interest is 'greed' too?
I think the big problem isn't greed, it is envy. Competition is necessary, but our system allows anti-cooperation. It's often easier to put down your competitors than to improve your product past theirs.
souprize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, material conditions will always exist. But to the degree that it affects our sociopolitical landscape is also important. Greed is a problem. The astounding proliferation of wealth of the few, while 100s of millions struggle with basic necessities; it's abhorrent. I would never blame those who have almost nothing of being envious of those with so much. Especially when those with so much benefit from historical and contemporary theft of resources, land, and labor.
Meme-Magician22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greed is a problem, but it isn't going to ever be completely solved. There is no system that will remove Greed from within us.
I wasn't saying the people with nothing are envious. I'm saying the big CEOs fighting over production use anti-cooperation to put each other down. Causes lots of regret. It's difficult to design a system that prevents people that want power from getting it, unfortunately psychopaths can be intelligent.
SheepShaggerNZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
50% is being nice.
111017751833 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I think human greed could get us there, just that the global warming narrative gets thrown into everything, instead of allowing people to just be greedy and making money. If ExxonMobil, which they are trying, could make a shit ton on solar, wind and storage, they would. But they constantly have to fight bad arguments about their oil and natural gas
Thedavidstoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, all of the "mandatory legislation" must pass. It's almost as if we just need some modern day Nikola Teslas out there ๐
autodidactin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely more than 50%
RustySpannerz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for human greed would be fantastic!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also has led to al the development that we have today. So it's needed but has to be controlled to not go overboard.
oldbean ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:44:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only that were true. Cheap oil has a lot to do with the problems in Venezuela
123_Syzygy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Co'mon now. If you tell the truth all those propaganda outlets will start another war to distract everyone.
phoephus2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Expensive oil created the problem. Cheap oil made it unsustainable.
oldbean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure but fact is the problem exists now. Cheap renewable energy won't make all the baddies go away.
Goldberg31415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism made oil cheap after a decade of investment to solve expensive oil problem of 2000-2014 and solution was in fracking methods that started the modern shale gas/oil revolution
synchronicityii ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:50:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quasi-dictatorial regime is propped up for many years by oil revenue, thereby masking their incredible economic mismanagement and general incompetence, and then oil prices drop, the regime's stupidity is exposed, the people suffer, and "cheap oil" is the problem?
jfreez ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. We'd still have a huge population that our world probably would not be able to sustain. We only have so much food and water
fiszu3000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we are moving into sci-fi are right now, but if energy was in abundance and almost free we could build robots that would be cleaning oceans 24/7, machines worldwide would purify the air of green house gases and we'd head to towards recycling 100% of our waste. We would at one hand stop poluting and start celaning the planet. And if on top of that we would figure out wireless transfer of that cheap electricity...
jfreez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could, but all that would take a while to get up and running. Who knows of we'd make it there before mass upheavals
k2arim99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Energy for desalinization plants and pumps for making more land viable for farming, also underground and city farms would be possible
MarkIsNotAShark ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:48:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think the middle East is messed up now, wait til nobody needs their oil
Karzdan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By then no one will be over there meddling in their afairs.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a reason why all the major Middle East petro states have been trying to get into high finance and the like for the last 2 decades. They have seen the various definitions of peak oil come and go, and knew what it meant for their power base, so they have been trying to diversify. Bigger problems are for the non Arab members of OPEC, like Venezuela and Ecuador are the ones that are in trouble, as well as gas exporting countries like Russia. Those are the ones that have been in massive economic troubles due to not diversifying off fossil fuels.
MarkIsNotAShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all are extra. I'm just here quoting Archer
LiterallyJames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be smart for big oil companies to expand into renewables, big guys still get to feel in charge but they won't fuck the planet over either
SailorET ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of them are quietly investing in green tech just so they don't totally get left behind, but they keep lobbying for oil so it retains some value before the bubble bursts.
Jdxc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't actually think it would, based on what we know about Jevon's Paradox.
benjalss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tea, earl grey, hot.
Myphoneaccount9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure nothing bad will come from it either
Brettehwarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And we would then have the resources to fix the other half
thebumm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, no. Big money is invested in old, dirty power. We already have cleaner energy options and they are under-utilized and under-funded.
ragn4rok234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be a good first step for the middle East, Though it would ruin their economies for a while.
silkAcid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would, but only if the oil industry can just back off and let green energy thrive. Some corparations are so damn greedy and it is very much a problem. But I am fairly sure that regardless of what big money companies do, renewable energy will eventually prevail.
Sutarmekeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Say goodbye to Saudi oil.
LeroyStick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There would still be plenty of problems. We'd have to figure out how to fight each other over renewable energy, for one.
element42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity would just run up against the next bottle neck... some other resource or maybe useable land
stinkerino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
were still gonna need potable water. hopefully desalinating becomes more efficient soon
rararaknee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Send a lot of economies to the shitter.
headrush46n2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nope, Exxon, Mobil and the boys will just use their immense wealth to clamp down and create a new monopoly. Meet the new boss, ect ect.
Sman6969 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, not really. Most of our power problems come from infrastructure. Modern nuclear fission plants are relatively clean, cheap and safe, getting that power out to folk is the expensive/hard part.
fiszu3000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
clean? nope, there's a lot of wast we have no clue how to deal with. Cheap? Defienietely cheaper than coal, but not cheap at all, we only use less than 1% of the power available in the solid fuel of modern reactors and uranium is as expensive as platinum. Safe? Yes, until a natural disaster strikes you.
Sman6969 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relatively clean. Watt for watt it's much cleaner than all other non-green sources of energy. When you include manufacturing processes in to environmental impact it rivals solar and wind (they're still cleaner of course but they get closer than you would think). One of the major issues with efficiency in fission reactors is not having the infrastructure to support higher outputs.
The only two major reactor issues we've ever had are fukushima and Chernobyl, both of which could have been prevented if they had listened to the advisors.
zombie_JFK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Three Mile Island.
Sman6969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair, I did forget three mile island. That was moreso operator error than the others. Don't get me wrong Chernobyl was OE too, but also had to do with design flaws in the reactor itself we suspect.
misscpb ยท 509 points ยท Posted at 14:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We literally have it. We just don't have the infrastructure for it. Too bad because building all that sure would create a lot of jobs
KaptainKaleidoscope ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:58:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. We have solar technology yeah, but the main issue is batteries. Our battery technology just isn't in an ideal place for solar power to become completely viable domestically.
ProbablyToking ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:51:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Batteries are already proven enough for vehicles. For anything static, or municipality-sized storage, there's other more efficient ways that are already being worked on:
These things only require large amounts of concrete and the like, whereas batteries require a linear amount of lithium or rare earth matters (latter mining being v. bad for the environment). I think u/misscpb is quite right in saying "we literally have it". We have examples of collection, storage, and transportation on LARGE scales, and taking it to the global scale just requires investment and moderate incremental improvements, not any breakthroughs.
wrench_nz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The energy from the sun is always hitting the Earth somewhere
KaptainKaleidoscope ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you propose bringing the energy from Chinese solar panels to America?
Pithy_Lichen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:53:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a really big catapult
Kinky_Muffin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:42:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a trebuchet would be better suited.
I_chose2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would make sense to have industries with high energy cost near energy production. Combine that with vertical/indoor farming and we can bypass energy transmission and storage issues for a percentage of certain industries.
Still have to transport materials and goods, but I think there's a great deal of room for improvement for efficiency there. Plus, it would be more likely that there'd be energy generation closer to the equator, so long overseas transport wouldn't be the norm.
darkarchonlord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok sure lets just uproot all of US manufacturing, that's surely going to work.
Come on, be reasonable. Solar cannot and will not ever cover the base demand used by industry, that's why Nuclear is necessary until better technology comes around.
I_chose2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I'm all for more nuclear. You're right, it's not as simple or immediate as my comment made it sound. And I guess it would be more that new infrastructure for high energy processes builds near cheap, abundant energy rather than suddenly moving existing stuff. Maybe it'd eventually be worth moving a worn out plant instead of rebuilding, if the energy cost was different enough, but you're right, that's not likely. I'm not an expert, but it could work as a gradual shift as our economy adapts over the next century, I think. That only happens once coal/gas is more expensive than renewables/nuclear, so we can wait until accessible fossil fuel gets scarce and scramble to adapt, or we could fund renewables research and try a carbon tax to ease into it sooner. Plus, being a leader in new energy production tech would be pretty sweet for job growth.
I doubt we'll get to solar only within the next century, but molten salt solar can maintain decent output overnight, and like others said, there's other storage methods besides batteries. It's good, and could eventually cover a large share of our energy needs, but yeah, it's not a cure-all to pollution, global warming, and energy needs. It is a good resource we should make the most of, though.
wrench_nz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:03:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wires
LiquidAurum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious and ignorant, what are you referring to?
Colororcolour ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 14:22:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we do. If we had an option cheaper than coal/oil then it would boom and coal would be a thing of the past. I agree that we should have a cheaper alternative but I don't see the alternative at this moment, other than maybe nuclear.
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audigex ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:44:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewable costs are also plummeting: the hydrocarbon companies often quote average prices over the last 20 years, or use a 2000 price or something, hoping people will think "Oh that's quite recent" - when the reality is that the price is dropping rapidly even with the relatively small volumes currently being deployed.
If those volumes increased, the cost would drop yet further. And even if the up front cost is still higher, there's a point at which you just say "We should do this anyway"
FishHeadBucket ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prices can drop 1% a month easily. That's a pace we humans can't really handle mentally.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And at the same time, fossil fuel prices continue to increase.
thetruedanger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: the unit of energy commonly used (in the US at least) is MW*h, as a watt is one joule per second. Why we don't just express it in joules I don't know. Seems like a lot of unnecessary conversions.
CrivCL ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:15:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MWh is customary in power systems everywhere to the best of my knowledge.
The "Why?" is pretty simple - generators are in MW so MWh means avoiding a lot of back and forth conversion and unintuitive prefix changes - a 321 MW unit provides 321MWh over an hour. You could sub in 3.6GJ=1MWh (so a 321MW unit provides 1155.6 GJ) but it's two more places to make an error so engineers don't unless they need to.
thetruedanger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I need to look up how this stuff is measured, that might help. If a generator outputs however much energy per time, the energy is the real unit you're interested in. Wh itself is a measure of energy consumption, so the extra step seems silly. But if the monitoring equipment is such that it necessitates outputting values of watts, I could see not wanting to fiddle with the units too much.
That helps a bit, thanks.
ra1nb0wtrout ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:42:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most important aspect to see why they do this is to look at why they use watts.
Power, measured in Watts, is a rate of joules per second, so an instaneous measurement of the rate at which you're using or supplying energy, how much energy per second is that generator supplying vs how much energy per second are those loads consuming. There are two main reasons this measurement is useful:
It's a system of supply on demand. Energy storage is expensive, so you try your best to not have to store any, instead, you scale the rate of energy production to match the current demand. Watts are the unit of measurement of rate of energy production and consumption.
Also, in a system as complex as the power grid, the voltage is stepped up and down all over the place using transformers, rectified to dc for use in some machinery, and things like computers, etc. By doing your measurements in Watts, you don't need to worry about all these conversations. You can use simple addition and subtraction to calculate power/energy needs, regardless of all those implementation details.
Now we can talk about the rates power companies charge. To them, all they care about is how much power is needed at any given point. They measure their production in terms of power available, not in terms of energy produced. Consumers also measure their usage in terms of power, but power usage varies across time. Sometimes all the lights are on, sometimes they aren't. How do you decide what power to charge someone for? You can't charge them at the maximum they draw during the billing period; that's overcharging. You can't charge them based on the minimum, that's under charging and you'll never make money. Instead, you add up all the watts they use throughout the payment period. In essence, take the watts, multiply it by how many hours you were at that level, and add it all up. Now they're getting charged based on how much power they're using for however long they're using it.
Well, what's the unit for a measurement of Watts * hours, which we just decided was the fair way to charge people? Watt hours. So that's what they use. It's a measurement of energy, just like joules. After all, a watt is a measurement of energy per time, and you multiply that by a time, you're left with energy. They just Care more about power than energy, so everything is referenced in the power number, not the energy number.
Tl;dr: due to electrical energy being expensive to store, power is generally generated on demand. The number the power company cares about is the instaneous power needed at any given time, because that's what they have to produce/what the customer's needs are. This is measured in Watts. To quantify a customer's demand in watts over a billing period they take the customer's demand and multiply it by how long they needed that level of power, then add it all up coming out with a number that is indeed a measure of energy. For the power company, they moreso care about it as a measure of how much power for how long, so that's how they charge for it.
Sorry. I tried not to assume any mathematical knowledge, and it kinda got long and ramble-y :-p it might not be of any help, but it took a while to write out, so i may as well post it!
thetruedanger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all good, this was a fun read, and a pretty good explanation! I just graduated in mechanical engineering, so the math isn't the problem, I'm just not that strong with electrical systems. I think I'll always be biased against the kWh (we already have a unit for energy, damn it!) but at least now it makes more sense why it's used.
Thanks again!
ra1nb0wtrout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha no problem. I'm one of those crazy electricals, so I wholeheartedly support anything that confuses mechanicals. That is our job... :-p
funwillfunwill ยท 152 points ยท Posted at 14:27:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear is the most viable option for cheap and clean energy at this point but it's still pretty controversial thanks to 3 Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.
Reddit_means_Porn ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:47:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still almost dead in the water because it is expensive though. It's still not the cheapest route. It might be the cleanest. But events like that have hampered advancement to a degree. I hear the idea thrown around that a nuke plant is super expensive upfront and the returns aren't better than sticking with what you currently have.
[deleted] ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 16:13:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AmoebaMan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the other energy lobbies.
shawnkfox ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 16:46:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are just repeating the lies promulgated by the nuclear industry. Sure they are cheap to operate if you ignore the initial cost of actually building them. No one has ever built a nuclear reactor which didn't end up costing at least twice as much as originally estimated.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:13:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kinky_Muffin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where do wind, photovoltaic, hydro power and concentrated solar power measure on that graph though?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:47:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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the_number_2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:18:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at the situation in Germany, they had to PAY people to use electricity because they were over-generating.
shawnkfox ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:28:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Production cost ignores the cost to build the plant, the cost to decommission it, and the cost to monitor nuclear waste for 1000s of years.
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shawnkfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it does not. You want to look at LCOE (lifetime cost of energy), not production cost. If you could actually read the bottom of the low resolution graph you provided it would make that clear.
Also, the IER (the source of your graphic) has published a lot of anti renewable energy / anti global warming research. They are funded by the Koch brothers. Research your sources, don't be a sucker.
https://www.desmogblog.com/institute-energy-research
thosethatwere ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find me a contract constructor that doesn't cost at least double time/money than they quote and I'll free dive to the bottom of the ocean naked. That's their business model, lie and quote the best to get the job then claim delays because what they quoted was impossible. This isn't specific to nuclear plants.
shawnkfox ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but the problem with nuclear is they cost vastly more to build than solar, wind, hydro, gas, or coal plants. They are cheap to operate once completed. So if you ignore all the other lifetime costs with nuclear the 4 or 5 cents per kwh they cost to operate looks like a fantastic deal.
There is a reason hardly anyone outside of 3rd world countries (who want to create a nuclear bomb) are building nuclear plants anymore. Not in France where they comprise a huge portion of their total energy generation, not in Japan (an island with no good source of fossil fuels), and not even in China (where the government can ignore all the environmental and "not in my backyard" issues).
Nuclear is a terrible investment when you look at their lifetime cost. The actual cost has to include the cost to build, cost to operate, cost to store nuclear waste, and the cost to decommission, protect, and monitor the site for the next several thousand years until the radiation is no longer a threat. When you add up all those costs they stop making any sense to build.
If anyone is telling you otherwise, you should ask yourself what they have to gain from it. If the answer is that they work for the nuclear power plant industry or that their research was funded by the nuclear power plant industry you need go no further.
thosethatwere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm asking myself what you have to gain from being against nuclear. France runs on nuclear energy, India is building lots of nuclear.
The places you mentioned: France doesn't need to build more, it's already a net exporter of energy thanks to its nuclear power. Japan doesn't use nuclear because of widespread fear mongering, no deaths were reported as a result of Fukushima yet there are massive protests against nuclear power. Japan is now struggling to get as much renewables as possible because of this backlash, but their plan was to be a lot more dependent on nuclear just a few years ago. China can't ignore all the environmental and "not in my backyard" issues, you're thinking of America. I know it's confusing because they're both democratic republics, but they are different countries. One is ran by an idiot that wants to be a dictator and the other is ran by a dictator that wants his country to prosper. China is in a great place because solar works very well for them (as it does in the US, but again China isn't ran by an idiot) so there's no need for nuclear - because of the lack of democracy they don't think "what's happening in the next 4 years" they think "what's happening in the next 25 years" - and that's exactly why they'll be more advanced than the US in no time. There's no question that when things are going badly dictators are worse than democracy, but when things are going well dictators are much better than the flip-flop of democracy, just think about how much of the current government's efforts are going into undoing what the previous government did.
Nuclear is probably not the best thing to do if you have other options, which the US does have, but if other renewables aren't an option (hydro/geothermal - small population, solar/wind - geographical restrictions) then nuclear is a great thing to be using over coal/oil/gas. Frankly, I don't give a shit what you say about kWh cost, I care about CO2 emissions and nuclear has lower emissions than fossil fuels.
cicadaenthusiat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just not true at all. Setup is more expensive, sure, but your returns more than make up for it. The only reason it's not being used is public fear. There is a lot of irony in that as well, as every step in our current process is incredibly dangerous. Perceptions are perceptions though.
Zallarion ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real reason nuclear isn't interesting is because it doesn't show a return on investment within the period someone holds public office. There's no political or economical incentive to build or develop nuclear plants right now.
That's why we need to find alternative, clean sources of energy outside of nuclear.
cicadaenthusiat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I follow you and you're right. It's just tragic that that's a "legitimate" reason while "let's try to stop the earth from burning up and killing us all" is not.
blue_alien_police ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't you save more money in the long run on Solar and Wind? Or would they even out eventually? Considering it costs billions just to build a reactor and get it online (aside from whatever the operating costs would be while it's in use), it seems that it would be better off to just advance solar and wind by leaps and bounds then try a resurrect something that has been relatively stagnant for decades. And, if you ever did get enough support to try and advance the nuclear age, it would most likely be that solar and wind (and other forms of clean energy, some possibly not yet known) would probably have advanced to the point of making nuclear power prohibitively expensive anyway.
AmoebaMan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:47:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half of the reason they're so expensive to build is because of all the bullshit red tape around them.
jordanindenmark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you actually understood nuclear power and understood the incredible amount of energy we carefully control you wouldn't call that "red tape" bullshit. It's there to keep us safe.
AmoebaMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:51:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of it is there to keep us safe, yes. But a lot of it is also there because people in the government have a vested interest in keeping new reactors from being built to compete with existing power sources.
I'm literally 90% done with both a BS and MS in mechanical engineering, having taken multiple classes in nuclear/power plant design with the express intent of entering the nuclear sector. I think I have a pretty good understanding of how this shit works.
jordanindenmark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:08:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't it not until very recent no new reactor were being built in America?
coopiecoop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:29:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the latter is also why a lot people would argue it isn't "clean" energy at all.
Jlocke98 ยท 107 points ยท Posted at 14:37:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear power plants have a lower death per watt hour rate than anything else, counting all the meltdowns. It also puts out less radiation than a coal plant
Cjedilo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Currently, but the risk is not comparable, the Sovjets almost evacuated both Minsk and Kiev, they moved hundreds of trains to those places, there was a big concern the bottom concrete slab of reactor 4 not hold, and if so, the east part of Europe would be uninhabitable.
sg7791 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have an unrelated question.
Is that spelling of "Sovjet" regional? It makes sense linguistically, I've just never seen it before.
Cjedilo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:45:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm Dutch, and indeed I used our spelling, was not aware English used an I there.
phaesios ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:27:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swede here, Sovjet or Sovjetunionen.
Jlocke98 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:16:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now modem reactors have passive safety or something to prevent melt downs like that
BetrayedPredator ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chernobyl as a whole was caused by poor reactor design, and human error.
Do not recommend reading up on what people did heading up to the meltdown or you will have a lot of "WTF why?" moments
Cjedilo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fukushima is still dumping tons of radioactive water in the ocean on a daily basis.
jordanindenmark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize water IS radioactive right? Ever hear about deuterium?
Cjedilo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, heard of that, that's not what there dumping though (albeit there will be some of that in what they are dumping)
jakeycunt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:21:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Per MW nuclear kills less people than solar and wind. By the way take a guess at what the death toll was from Chernobyl once all the hype had died down. I'll give you a bit of time.
It was less than 70.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:24:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's compare that to the number of yearly deaths from coal:
Around 20,000. Yes, that's right. A lot of miners are killed every year in China, Poland, Ukraine, etc. Those that aren't killed outright when a mine caves in live with silicosis, which sharply reduces their life expectancy.
The same goes for oil too. Just because it doesn't make the news when 3 Pakistani oil field workers die in Saudi Arabia it doesn't mean that the slow trickle of deaths doesn't add up to massive amounts yearly.
Nuclear is by far the safest option, but renewables are no longer a future option - they're competitive now.
jakeycunt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewables require batteries, and they are only competitive in places like South Austrailia where they have bright sunshine all year round and the grid is easy to swap to a renewable type one. There is a lot of innovation happening in the nuclear industry, whole research centers built especially to develop more efficient manufacture of power plant components, therefor the price will come down with step changes such as small modular reactors.
wetryagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard of Tesla?
jakeycunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even Musk is skeptical that the 100-year old technology that is chemical storage batteries is going to dramatically drop in price.
blue_alien_police ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's also the Mohave Desert, and most of Southern California, and large chunks of Arizona, Nevada and portions of New Mexico where batteries would work as well. Also, with solar panels getting more advance like this solar cell which can turn rain water into energy, we might be able to solve the energy crisis with minimal reliance on nuclear power.
jakeycunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah so it does the desert. Just about no where in Europe.
Cjedilo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, it's 58 from the top of my head, I'm talking about the possible risk, Chernobyl could have been a lot worse, and this number is just the cases that could be directly linked.
You are right, so far so good, but as Fukushima will take 40 years to clean up and this year the radiation was the highest, besides the year of the disaster, I'm not sure if it's more safe. It still has he potential to completely rewrite life in and around the Pacific.
jakeycunt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chernobyl was the worst it could have been. Nuclear power plant fuel is only enriched to about 3 or 4%, where as weapons grade fuel needs to be 95% or higher. Its could not have blown up like when they were testing nuclear bombs. Passive safety systems. Fukushima plant was older than the Chernobyl power plant. Nowadays nuclear power plants can shut down without any humans pressing any buttons. Fukushima required a computer powered by electricity provided by diesel generators to shut it down which got flooded. Modern day ones use compressed air.
Cjedilo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chernobyl could have been a lot worse if the concrete slab underneath would collapse which the Soviets considered a real possibility.
And the false sense of security you are portraying here was precisely what caused Chernobyl to happen in the first place, the Soviets considered themselves masters of the Atom and disregarded papers that predicted exactly what happend. Just as you like to do here, it's safe, nothing to worry about was the message of '86.
IlikeJG ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:22:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah so we could have 58 deaths from a pretty bad situation (maybe not worst case, but still pretty fucking bad case) or we can have guaranteed 10s of thousands of deaths from other ways of producing energy.
AmoebaMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chernobyl was also an product of Cold War Soviet engineers. Safety wasn't high on their list of concerns.
IlikeJG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but that was with decades old tech. Modern Nuclear reactors are cleaner, safer, and more efficient than they have ever been.
audigex ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wut?
GMTplusOne ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 14:46:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
coal smoke is radioactive. surprising, maybe, but check out this article : https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/
audigex ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah okay: so what we're saying is that the local environmental release is higher.
That's not quite the same thing as comparing the tonnes of buried waste being hauled around the country and buried somewhere it will last for 10,000 years, though.
We're talking about 2 days worth of background radiation, or around the same as a 2-4 hour flight. Source for flight radiation
This sounds like one of those "technically true, but missing the point" facts, where it narrows things down to a specific, counter-intuitive, but ultimately unimportant sample (people nearby when both systems are operating normally), while ignoring the major issue (potential meltdowns/containment breaches, tons of waste being hauled around by train)
I'll take my chances with 2 millirems a year, all things considered
exciteddaughters ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that the Navy has quite a few nuclear reactors on ships that move across the world with no issues right? They've been operating for decades.
audigex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None we're aware of... but there have been known close calls. And how many close calls or even incidents haven't we heard of because they happened to be out of sight of land.... Besides, just because you've gotten away with something daft doesn't make it a good idea.
I've never quite caught the logic of putting a nuclear reactor on something you're expecting to be shot at...
SpaceChimera ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear energy and their plants are extremely safe nowadays. Hell they were pretty safe back then too - Chernobyl failure was human induced by not maintaining safety protocols and Fukushima honesty was a terrible place for nuclear power and the backup electric grid that was supposed to maintain it in cases of failure.
The real issue with nuclear power is it is insanely expensive to build and once built insanely expensive to insure.
SunriseSurprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad that's the only time humans have ever made a mistake, and we've got absolutely nothing to worry about moving forward.
audigex ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So how about Sellafield in 2005? Tokaimura in 1999? Are those not recent? Both are currently active as far as I'm aware, with fundamentally the same infrastructure.
I'm of the opinion that small amounts (0.3% of your natural background radiation) of radiation around a coal plant, for example, is cleaner than even the risk of a nuclear incident. Sure, they're rare - but they have huge repercussions.
Nuclear may be extremely safe, but it only takes one monumental fuckup. Do you seriously trust your government and the private operators, to be perfect 24/7 for 50 years? Do you trust that one tired minimum wage worker won't miss a step somewhere or fuck something up?
I've seen enough institutional fuckups that I definitely don't...
SpaceChimera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it doesn't take one guy to fuck it up it takes institutional and systematic level fuck ups in multiple departments that don't get corrected for days, weeks, or months while also managing to fuck up beyond repair the system responsible for shutting everything down when there's a fuck up.
The coal thing really doesn't matter - that amount of radiation is minuscule and won't effect people. It's really just a fun fact that challenges what a lot of people think about nuclear.
But yes, I understand your point. Mine wasn't that all nuclear reactors are 100% safe, especially the older ones. Just that if we built new ones they would be astronomically safer.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They would, but then look at the new nuclear plant in the UK: The company building it has basically been guaranteed energy prices double current levels.
We would be better off building new nuclear plants than using old ones, in terms of safety, but we would be better off building wind turbines and hydroelectric power stations either way.
I'm not saying we should immediately shut down all nuclear power (or coal, for that matter), just that we should be putting all our time and effort into renewables
DexFulco ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keeping up our current economic welfare isn't possible with completely renewable energies and as long as it's not, we'll never stop using fossil fuels or nuclear energy.
And purely funding renewable sources isn't an option either.
Let's say you have 1 crapload of money to invest in energy for the next 30 years. That could go to literally anything that involves energy (new plants, research to improve renewable energy, nuclear power, ...).
If you decide to invest your entire budget in renewable energy but at the end of those 30 years don't have a solution for our current problem, then we're fucked as well. You took our entire budget for improvements so now we're left with vastly outdated power plants and no research for anything other than your failed renewable energy ideas. There's no budget to replace the power plants we have because we spent it all on research.
Now let's say you invest 0.5 of your crapload in renewable energy and invest the rest of your money in other things (like research for better ways of dealing with nuclear energy). While you might not be as far with your research for renewable energy as you could be in 30 years, at least we still have a working economy past those 30 years because we have alternatives to get us further.
In the future there is no doubt that we have to find a clean renewable energy source if we wish to prosper as a species, but simply going:"we should invest everything we have in it" is not the solution, because nobody knows WHEN or even IF we'll make the breakthrough we're hoping for. And if you bet too much money on the wrong horse, we'll have just as much of a problem as we have now.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe we need to spend that money on renewable research, though.
I mean, sure, some research into tidal and wave power would be good - but I'd suggest simply pumping the money into wind and solar. Both are already tumbling in price even with relatively low volumes. If you suddenly start pushing those renewables, the price will fall still further, and the average cost over that 30 years, while possibly slightly higher, will be much lower than the current cost of wind/solar.
The city (by which I mean, the city authorities, not the actual City) of Las Vegas runs completely renewable power. Google and Apple intend to run entirely on renewables this year or next.
Denmark has run on renewables for a day, Costa Rica for the equivalent of 11 months of the year. Iceland and Paraguay are both near 100% renewable (excluding cars)
Now of course, that's a little unfair - Iceland and Paraguay have natural advantages and neither are huge countries. Similarly Costa Rica was never a huge energy consumer to begin with, but even the UK (with relatively little space for solar power) has hit 50% renewable. And the US has significantly greater geothermal, solar, and hydroelectric potential than the UK, plus a hell of a lot more space.
Sure, there are costs - but I don't think your "You can lose all your money on research" adds up: with the technology we have right now, we can go 100% renewable if we accept slightly higher costs, with no risks. These are proven, reliable technologies which, although they're slightly more expensive, do not require any risk.
cabarne4 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:49:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coal plants, because they burn the coal and release the soot, pump out a lot of dirty gasses. Some of those gasses are slightly irradiated. Nuclear plants, when ran correctly, don't leak any nuclear material. Those giant cooling towers pumping out smoke? 100% water vapor. When the fuel rod is "spent", it's already given off most of the irradiated particles it will give off in its lifetime, and even then, it's stored in such a way that it shouldn't release any nuclear material (except for a few accidents, where storage containers were damaged / opened).
Even factoring in those accidents (as well as big plant meltdowns), it's still less nuclear radiation than all of the coal plants combined.
redheadedalex ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:59:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sigh I have the highest hopes for a nuclear future. I am glad to see some sanity on this forum instead of the typical OOOH SCARY! CHERNOBYL THO! that I get from literally everyone I talk to about this.
nottoodrunk ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:43:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-nuclear fear mongering from the likes of Greenpeace and other idiots has hamstrung the U.S. nuclear industry while China and Russia run circles around us.
redheadedalex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just as bad in Europe :( well Sweden especially, I worked for a green politician and the green party's stance on nuclear power killed me....
They had some good points about the sorry state of the nuclear power plants, but instead of moving toward repairing/replacing it was DOWN WITH NUCLEAR, YOU CANT HUG YOUR CHILDREN WITH NUCLEAR ARMS
cabarne4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear is great, but when a nuclear plant goes bad, it has the possibility to go really bad. Granted, other fuel sources could have similar devastating meltdowns. Nuclear is just the "big, scary one" since you can throw around figures like "radiation sticking around for 1000's of years". Truth is, a meltdown like Chernobyl is basically impossible in a modern reactor. Fukushima is basically the worst that can happen with a modern reactor.
Either way, solar / wind is almost comically safe.
redheadedalex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but I mean, cars have the possibility to go really bad. I've seen some gruesome fucking shit on the road but that doesn't deter the millions and millions of cars zooming right along every day every which way. I just think it's silly to demonize nuclear power because of the exact reason you state--the worst is what it is with modern reactors
ALSO, WIND ENERGY HURTS BIRDS
THINKOFTHEBIRDS
cabarne4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't even get me started on that... There's a lot of things people avoid because it's "dangerous", and yet, cars are one of the biggest killers of young adults in the US. Once you really put some thought into it, cars are fucking terrifying. 2-4 ton death machines, traveling at 80mph, within feet of each other.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a huge car nut. I love working on cars. I love driving cars. But, I would love to see a future of autonomous, self-driving cars. Don't get me wrong, it would be a huge infrastructure investment to put chargers all over the country... But consider this: you wouldn't need to store excess electricity from the power station, if there were thousands of cars on the road instead. The cars themselves could balance the grid, providing stored power at night to reduce grid load, and storing extra power during the day, while sitting in parking lots.
The_Enemys ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:00:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spent fuel rods have plenty of radiative potential left, just not much fissile potential left. And while well stored spent fuel is pretty safe now, there's still open questions about long term (thousands of years in many cases) and making less careful producers store appropriately over the long term.
cabarne4 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:58:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically the best argument against nuclear. And it's an argument I'm not prepared to join, since I don't know enough facts to formulate an opinion.
If you look at just the plant itself, though, nuclear is safer / cleaner than coal. If you look at the whole process (from mining to storing waste), there's some arguable points against nuclear.
I do know there's a case in Washington State, where a containment site has possibly been leaking. But that is an issue with storage / containment, and not power generation. Modern plants use even more of the material than old plants, too, so there's an argument that modem nuclear plants create less waste, which is easier to manage. Again, I don't know enough of the facts to get into a debate over spent nuclear fuel storage, I just know the power generation phase of nuclear is cleaner than coal and some others.
suju_x_elf ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:46:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when you burn coal it releases radio active isotopes into the air.
Yes nuclear has more "radioactive waste", but that waste is contained.
aburkhartlaw ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:55:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That waste also can be recycled into reusable energy sources. But reprocessing is banned in the US. France has a very low waste stream because they reprocess into mixed oxide fuels.
audigex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can reprocess some waste, but not that much. I live near the main UK reprocessing plant, they still produce plenty of waste...
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*usually contained
And the uncontained waste from a coal plant is negligible even to people nearby, as covered here
JJaska ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:54:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, coal is actually slightly radioactive and as we burn huge amounts of it it adds up.
audigex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source? And what type of radiation are we talking?
jakeycunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Radioactive soot such as carbon-12.
audigex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6s4skx/what_human_achievement_do_you_want_to_see_during/dlaakac/
Jlocke98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of radiation in coal exhaust exceeds allowable radiation emission of a nuclear power plant by about a factor of about 2 according to my nuclear engineering class. I don't recall the sizes though, I'd assume it's apples to apples in terms of power generation. I also don't have a citation so take that as you will
audigex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'll direct you to another part of this discussion, which shows that coal radiation emissions (in terms of annual uptake by locals) from coal plants is less than 1/500th the legal maximum for nuclear plant workers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6s4skx/what_human_achievement_do_you_want_to_see_during/dlaakac/
Jlocke98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, til. Thanks!
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming no containment breaches and properly implemented long term waste storage
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First up, citation needed... What type of radiation are we talking here, precisely?
Second, you're assuming a best-case scenarios, on something where one worst case scenario is significantly more "everyone within 200 miles dies" than the other
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just clarifying /u/Jlocke98's statement, so I don't have any sources to hand, but it basically looks like it boils down to the fact that coal plants churn out vast quantities of waste that means that, while the waste products themselves are much less radioactive, the exposure rate to that waste is many times higher.
As for worst case scenarios, many analyses of nuclear waste actually do factor those in. I don't know if that applies to the coal vs nuclear radiation output issue, but I do know off the top of my head that nuclear causes fewer deaths per kilowatt-hour than coal when you assume that you'd get disasters, including Chernobyl level disasters, at the same rate as so far over time, and it's also worthwhile noting that this assumption works in coal's favour because nuclear is only getting safer. The trick there is that nobody thinks about the cumulative damage coal does to peoples' health because it's a subtle effect caused by air quality and similar rather than almost nothing outside of rare but spectacular catastrophes.
Abell370 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:34:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cleaner than solar or wind if you take into account the CO2 produced during construction.
audigex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:42:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're only looking at CO2, maybe.
Although I think the tonnes of highly radioactive waste being produced, transported, and buried somewhere should probably be factored in here somewhere. Especially when that waste will be radioactive for longer into the future than humans have existed so far.
Clean is a relative term, and counting only CO2 basically makes it a nonsense.
Abell370 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 14:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This point is often brought up by anti-nuclear folk, but it's highly exaggerated. Since I've had this argument before, I'll copy a comment I made once, calculating the impact of the Hanford nuclear waste spill (the biggest one in the US to date).
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, renewable manufacturers can be powered by renewable energy once we're past the initial boot strapping phase, and nuclear does introduce problems in the form of waste transport (using internal combustion engines currently) and mining. Although, while the former likely works in renewables favour because you only need to transport the equipment once for the lifetime of the facility, the latter I don't know enough to say whether mining fuel for nuclear is better or worse than mining resources to build renewable generators.
fuckharvey ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:30:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except renewable plants don't last as long and they take up a much bigger footprint on land, which causes massive ecological displacement of its own.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the technology. Solar can be deployed ad hoc using roof space in cities and suburbs for instance, occupying space that wouldn't otherwise have been used, while wind power can be deployed such that it doesn't displace the bulk of the ecosystem it's deployed within. You can't do that with nuclear because while the plant might be smaller it isn't sparse like wind or easily subdivisible like solar.
Abell370 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewables last about 15 years, a nuclear facility can run for 60 years easily. So besides being a bigger drain in production, you need to multiply it by 4 as well.
Second of all, you think transport of renewable stuff doesn't impact the environment? Do you think windmills are built on the spot? Where do you think the rare earth materials for solar panels come from? Mining for those is at least equally damaging as mining for Uranium.
The_Enemys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you only need to transport renewables once per facility lifetime, which I already said above, while resource transport is a recurring cost for nuclear. As for lifespan for renewables vs nuclear residential solar panels are usually good for 20 years and they would be the worst option; commercial plants for solar and wind should be doable with much longer lifespans depending on construction quality and generation technique, with installations like hydro already being built for much longer service lives. As for nuclear lasting 60 years tell that to Fukushima - you can't claim nuclear is safe if you're also going to claim the type of long service life that leads to dangerously out of date, worn out reactors. While Fukushima probably would have kept working for years longer had it not been hit by a natural disaster a big part of why their containment failed so catastrophically was cumulative damage to the reactors limiting their control over the situation.
Abell370 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How so? I think you grossly overestimate the total mass a nuclear powerplant needs to operate.
Yes, you don't need to tell me hydro is absolutely amazing, I know. The problem is that only very few countries can run a hydro plant. Countries like Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark etc, who have absolutely no natural elevation available to run those facilities need alternatives.
I mean, look at Iceland, their entire country runs on geothermal, which is great. The problem is, 90%+ of the world can't do that, they need a stable and green alternative, which nuclear is.
You realize it was hit by a tsunami, right? Although, I'll give it to you that they said it could withstand a tsunami, but that's not nuclear's fault, it's the fault of the Japanese cutting costs on safety. It's a human fault, not that of the technology.
Yes, like for example in my country, Belgium. Where the Green and Socialist parties have boycotted any nuclear innovation for the past 40 years. Now our reactors are out of date and they have the fucking gal to protest the fact that they are out of date. Whose fucking fault is it that they were never innovated? Oh, right, their own. The hypocrisy is palpable.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:06:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who do you think makes nuclear reactors? Yes, I know Fukushima was hit by a tsunami, I also know that containment procedures would have worked if they'd been properly maintained.
As for innovation in nuclear, your existing plants being worryingly out of date after 40 years kind of makes my point about claiming long lifespans for nuclear reactors. Boycotts are against new reactors, no one will object to safety upgrades to existing reactors.
Abell370 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:14:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same species that builds renewable sources. So, things will go wrong with those too. When you're looking at deaths per TWH, nuclear comes out on top by almost an order of magnitude source. So if safety is your concern, you should really be rooting for nuclear, especially since, even with the incidents that have happened already, it's still winning by a huge margin.
Lol, you are not very aware of the retarded political climate in my country.
Also, 60 years is for current generation nuclear reactors, of course the old ones have shorter life spans.
audigex ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, but the argument I've seen from Coal supporters is that coal plants cause ~2 millirems per year of additional radiation absorption amongst those within a few miles of the plant. Compared to a typical 1millirem per day we receive in background radiation anyway.
And again, we're assuming that nuclear works perfectly: how about Sellafield (Windscale fire, anyone? And the later leak of waste?)
To be clear, I don't think coal is the answer: renewable are clearly the answer, but I think Nuclear is far worse. You may trust your government and private companies to do things properly, but the events I mention above near me, and the Grenfell fire in my nation's capital a few weeks ago, are among the myriad reasons I don't trust my government, nor their private company buddies, to do things right.
Abell370 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a physicist, with a minor in medical radiation physics, so I'll trust my education over the feelings of some rando on the internet.
audigex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You trust everyone you work with?
And like I said, there are recent incidents. If you truly believe there will never be any more, good luck to you.
Abell370 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, there will always be small incidents. Nothing is perfect. Look up the numbers of people killed per Watt of energy produced. Nuclear comes out on top by orders of magnitude.
If anything, past incidents have shown that the whole hysteria is completely overblown. Yes, we should act with caution, like we would with any dangerous technology, but the over-the-top doomsday bullshit is ridiculous.
No one in Fukushima got a dangerous radiation dosage. The highest radiation dose suffered by someone at Three Mile Island was the equivalent of a chest X-ray.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fatalities per watt seems like a weird metric, especially when we consider that nuclear is relatively new and therefore benefits from much more efficient generators etc. And either way we're talking about such small sample sizes in the number of plants running that incidents aren't, individually, statistically significant.
Abell370 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:33:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar and wind are newer than Nuclear, so that argument goes right out the window.
There are currently around 450 (this source says 447, this one 449) civil power plants active, with 61 under construction. I wouldn't call that a small sample size.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On that metric, I'd agree - fatalities per watt isn't very relevant for solar or wind either.
450 sources is a small sample size when we're talking about causes of death for 7+ billion people
Abell370 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:16:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not? It's the perfect metric to look at. Or don't you like it because it doesn't agree with your pre-existing views?
Lol, what? You just moved the goal posts into orbit man.
We were never comparing nuclear with all causes of death, but with other energy sources. Why on earth would be compare the deaths due to nuclear to car accidents? Your argument is pathetic.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because as far as I can see, most of the numbers are guesstimates with little true scientific value, and because the timescales are very different.
It reflects very badly on fossil fuels, very well on solar/wind, with Nuclear somewhere in between. That actually fits almost perfectly with my pre-existing views: I'm massively in favour of renewables.
Nuclear is un-necessary. We may have been lucky so far that our numerous accidents have never killed large numbers of people, but the fact is that it only takes one more incident to occur. Historical statistics don't change the possibility of a future event.
I'm not saying we shut down our nuclear or coal/gas plants immediately, but we should be building as much renewable energy production as we can, with a view to shutting both down.
Abell370 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:07:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you kidding me? Nuclear has a lot less deaths/TWH than renewables, yet you think it comes out below? Even after the 'catastrophic' incidents anti-nuclear folk keep droning on about, it's still multiple times safer than renewables. And your followup argument is "but it could always be worse", which is pretty shit in my opinion. Yes, it could always be worse, but it isn't.
It's funny, because most experts in the field agree that a minimum basis of nuclear is an absolute necessity, both economically and infrastructure wise. I'm also not arguing against renewables. I'm in favor of innovation, so renewables certainly have a place in the energy market. But pretending that they can somehow replace nuclear is asinine.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is Nuclear needed?
I agree that Solar/Wind are relatively volatile, so we need some consistency: but tidal and wave power (which are both developing rapidly) don't have that concern. Nor does geothermal or hydroelectric. And that's before we look at increasing pumped hydroelectric capacity, as storage for the more fickle wind power.
RikerT_USS_Lolipop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of radioactive waste is far less than the public imagines. Most of it isn't transported at all, it is stored on-site. And if a thing is radioactive for a long time, then it isn't very radioactive at all. That's how radiation works, particles are flying off of it. So if it's highly radioactive lots of particles are decaying and it decays into something stable quickly. If it is radioactive for a long time, then particles aren't decaying very much.
audigex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trains go past my house often enough that I'm concerned by it.
That depends on the site, and whether it is transported to different locations for reprocessing and storage
That's a misrepresentation at best: radiation amounts and half life are related, but not even slightly in that kind of proportionate way you're suggesting: you're assuming that all the waste is of equal concentration, which is total nonsense.
Source. So even after 10 years, a typical rod's surface dose rate (eg you sit next to it for an hour) will kill you in an hour. But the half life isn't 10 years, that's just the "after 10 years" dosage. You're looking at waiting a full half life of the materials involved before you're down to "just" a 1-hour fatal dose.
U-233 has a half life of 159,000 years. Plutonium is 24,000 years. Cesium/strontium are 30 years.
So you're looking at somewhere between 30 and 159,000 years to get down from "fatal in half an hour" to "fatal in an hour"... and then several more of that half life period before you get to "You won't die, but good luck with the cancer and agony"
And even by your own logic, the highly radiactive (high level waste) substances are materials with "short" half lives (~50 years). So that means it's very very very very radioactive for 50 years, then very very radioactive for another 50, then very radioactive for another 50....
But as much as you try to abstract it, the waste from a nuclear power station is more than radioactive enough to be dangerous for at least hundreds of years. Strontium may "only" have a half life of 30 years, but it's still dangerous for over a century, depending on concentration. And while Plutonium-239 has a half life of 24,000 years, and does indeed give off less radiation per kg of equivalent refinement than, say Strontium, I sure as hell won't be making a bed out of it anytime soon.
GarbledReverie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the refining process?
jakeycunt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:21:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uranium is refined using acids. No extra CO2.
Abell370 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a fun read for you.
BegginStripper ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if you take into account all the ecosystems and lives that the radiation has ruined?
jakeycunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chernobyl created the largest wildlife preserve in Europe. Did you know that hydroelectricity has resulted in massive amount of ecosystem damage. A dam collapsed in Argentina and the resulting release of iron deposits and sludge killed hundreds of whales in the sea. Yet you are ok with hydro. https://xkcd.com/radiation/
BegginStripper ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did I say I was okay with hydro? I asked a question and got downvoted
jakeycunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ecosystems being destroyed by man-made radiation is a bit of a overhype. There aren't really any. Solar panel production on the other hand produces load of silicon tetrafluride which poisons farmers lands.
GarbledReverie ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The finite amount of nuclear fuel is why it isn't "renewable" either.
jakeycunt ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:25:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100,000 years worth of uranium retrievable from sea water. Thats pretty much the same effect as renewable. The only reason we aren't getting our uranium from the sea water now is because the mining companies have set the price of ore as just below the price to get it from the sea.
shawnkfox ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take a billion years of energy from solar without any risk of nuclear meltdown instead, thanks.
thosethatwere ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:15:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar isn't viable everywhere. It isn't the only answer. New Zealand, Austria and Norway use hydro. France uses nuclear. Sweden uses a combination. The answer is dependent on where you are, but the answer is never fossil fuels
Metallic007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fearmongering intensifies
technon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By the time we get even close to running out, we'll have reached the point where we can mine it from asteroids, which will increase our supply by orders of magnitude.
sgtpepper901 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:08:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also takes a long ass time to get a plant.
cabarne4 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:00:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As the other comments mentioned, wind is quickly replacing coal. In the US alone, the wind energy sector will create over 300,000 new jobs in the next few years. That's way more than the current administration said they would "save" in the coal sector. Wind is cheaper to produce, cheaper to harness, and has zero negative effects (although a few ecological groups are doing studies on bird impacts, and wind turbines effects on bird migration patterns).
In Texas, wind energy is taking over the energy sector. Within the next 10-20 years, the state of Texas will be primarily run on renewable energy, and most of that will be wind.
Side note: this is also why the US pulling out of the Paris climate agreement won't effect US energy very much. We're already on track to easily pass the agreed CO2 limits, with zero government intervention. Power companies like profit, and will jump to whatever source is cheaper, to maximize their profit margins. Simple as that. The downside of the US pulling out -- under the agreement, the US promised to pay a lot of money into a fund to help poorer countries. Not to side with our current administration -- but as the deal was written, it really wasn't a good deal for the US. We would be paying a lot more than most other countries. China, for example, has a huge, booming economy, and could easily help support the fund -- but they're still considered a "developing country", so they weren't required to pay in, and could actually take money out of the fund. I do think we should rejoin, but I also think the targets should be much higher, and the funds should be bigger. As written, most countries will hit their targets without doing much of anything. It was basically a giant circle jerk, so they could congratulate themselves for doing nothing.
RalphieRaccoon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:46:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wind and gas are replacing coal, and at the moment gas is taking the lion's share. Thankfully wind and gas work quite well together, you can adjust the gas output to balance the generation from the wind.
cabarne4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one thing that's great about natural gas: the plants can be turned on and off fairly easily, versus coal (which is difficult to start / stop) and nuclear (which is impossible to start / stop). One argument against renewable is power storage. The sun isn't always shining and the wind isn't always blowing -- so you need a way to store excess power generated, so that it can be used later, when demand is greater than supply. NG is a great way to "fill the gap". Alternatively, you could set up a field of batteries (like Tesla wants to do). Another popular mechanism is an artificial lake behind a dam. When there's extra power, run a pump that sends water uphill to the lake. When there's a power shortage (no sun or wind), run water downhill to generate power.
So basically, the argument against renewables is building infrastructure to store power for downtimes (batteries, lakes, whatever). The quick, easy answer is NG.
Earl_Harbinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't they move the rods closer/farther apart to do just that?
cabarne4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of, but it doesn't really "stop" the process once it's begun. Think of a car's engine -- you can turn the car off, put it in the garage, and forget about it. In 6 months, you can come back and usually the car will start right back up.
Once the fission process has begun, there's no stopping it. They can put the rods closer together, increasing the reaction, and generating more power. They can pull them apart, slowing the reaction, for periods with low demand. But short of removing the fuel entirely and throwing it away, the plant will always be producing some power once it's turned on.
Natural gas plants work like your car's engine, though. It's very easy to essentially flip a switch and turn it on or off. Coal, on the other hand, requires boiler rooms to reach a certain temperature / pressure. If you turn them off, you have to build it back up to that temperature -- like pre-heating your oven. When turning it off, you have to wait for it to die down, like waiting for that same oven to cool. This lengthy start up and cool down procedure makes coal bad for "filling the gaps" of renewable plants.
RalphieRaccoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's also the problem though. You can make a dent in your carbon with renewables, but you're still burning lots of gas. The economics also get worse the more renewables you build, you end up having to pay for loads of gas plants to sit idle half the time. While gas has relatively low fixed overheads compared to say, nuclear (which is pretty much all fixed, fuel costs are minimal) it's not nothing, especially if the turbines have to be spinning (which they do if they need to respond quickly and to maintain AC frequency).
Unfortunately, we have nowhere near enough batteries or pumped storage are nowhere near enough to displace gas right now. We would need to build over a hundred new GW scale facilities in the UK alone, in the US probably several hundred. This would not be cheap or easy. Current battery installations are good for short term hourly storage, what you would get with solar in southern California or the med, but they don't work so well with wind, which may need a week or more in reserve to cope with a blocking high. Pumped storage is still better for long term energy storage.
cabarne4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very good points. Personally, I think the future of energy is smaller grids. If power is made and used locally, instead of sent hundreds of miles over high voltage transmission lines, it would be easier to manage and maintain. The future should also rely on several forms of energy, instead of one type dominating the landscape.
For large parts of the US, wind and solar can replace a large portion of the grid. Gaps can be filled with natural gas, battery farms (Tesla is practically revolutionizing that front -- just see what they've been working on in Australia and on a few islands in the Pacific), and a few other storage technologies. In other areas, hydroelectricity, tidal, thermal and other technologies can help power our cities.
Ninja edit: point being, I don't think we should brush wind and solar off the table, because we'd need infrastructure improvements. Instead, I'd take that as justification that we need infrastructure improvements, and go from there. If the paint is worn on a road, and the road is badly worn out / broken, you don't say, "Well, the road is too rough to paint, so we're just going to ignore it -- People are still driving on it, right?" -- No. You say, "We can't repaint until we repave. So we'll work on repaving, which will leave us with nice, modern roads that let people drive faster, safer."
RalphieRaccoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would actually disagree with that. #1 priority of electricity supply is not cost or green credentials, it's reliability. You want to keep the lights on first and foremost. Large, heavily interconnected grids can be very reliable through redundancy and constant maintenance. Sure, when failures occur the impacts can be larger but failures tend to be extremely rare. With smaller grids, the impact would be more local but failures would be more common, and with more grids it would take longer to fix.
We also tend to see the electrical supply through our own consumption, in our homes (notice how we like to frame electricity generation as "powers X thousand homes"). While a microgrid may work well for a few residences, it might not be suitable for industry or infrastructure, and if you have to patch into the macrogrid for those, you may as well patch everyone in.
cabarne4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very well put. I would argue that reliability is not effected by size, but by redundancy. Granted, larger grids tend to have more built-in redundancy. A small grid, built of quality components, with some failsafes and redundancies thrown in, can easily be more reliable than a large grid with failing infrastructure. There's too many factors at play to just determine by grid size.
RalphieRaccoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if the larger grid is badly maintained. I think the quality components would be a sticking point though. It's easy to go for only the best materials, build quality and multiple redundancies when you only have to build a few. When you have to build hundreds, thousands or even more, you'll be looking to save money and look for cheaper solutions. Some equipment doesn't cost twice as much to build with twice the capacity, it's kind of like a bulk saving.
Btw, thanks for the compliments. It's nice to have a respectful debate on Reddit once in a while.
cabarne4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. From what I've researched / know from my personal line of work, though, our whole infrastructure is a bail of hay, sitting next to an unsupervised campfire. The cost to fix everything is astronomical, but it's only a matter of time before we start having rolling black/brownouts as demand increases, and bottlenecks aren't fixed.
But, it'd be a lot more reasonable to work on renewables on a smaller scale. Incentivize solar at home, as well as electric cars with smart chargers (that can help grid-balance during off peak hours) and home battery packs that can help grid-balance. Working on grid-balancing and energy storage options at home can help take the stress off our current big-grid infrastructure. Larger battery operations near factories can help offset their larger energy requirements as well.
Imagine if newer houses, through solar panels, better insulation, and power storage solutions, could take care of 80-90% of their energy requirements. These homes would take a huge load off our current system, meaning we could take our time repairing the system correctly, instead of quickly.
RalphieRaccoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think solar at home is a good option for residential areas in sunny parts of the world, like southern California and the Mediterranean. These places will still be connected to the big grid, but it could help reduce demand. The benefits fall off for more polar regions because they will generate little for half the year, and the storage won't be adequate to last the winter months.
In the case of factories, battery packs may be a difficult sell. The damage a brown or blackout causes is far greater. A few hours blackout at home maybe no more than a very annoying inconvenience, for an industry it could result in tens of thousands or even millions in costs and lost revenue. They would almost certainly want a big grid connection, and the batteries may seem a pointless extra expense, they'll just draw any extra they need from the grid, or if they have a surplus they may be able to sell it back. It's pretty common for heavy industry to have their own onsite fossil power plant, and they will have personnel ready to fix it if things go wrong. Plus you have the sheer amount of energy some of these factories need, often more than a local renewable system could provide.
EDIT: Plus, especially with Li-ion, with bigger battery banks the risk of a major battery fire increases. Factories may be nervous about something that could explode and potentially injure or kill nearby workers.
cabarne4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good points. I moved to a sunny area, from a not-so-sunny area, so I understand that solar isn't always an effective strategy.
Focusing on residential, go look up "net zero construction". Germany has been at the forefront of this field -- building homes that are so energy efficient, they need next to no electricity from the grid. Even in an area with limited solar power, building net zero, passive homes can revolutionize energy needs. The only reason we don't build this way already is cost -- a passive / net zero house can cost about 10-50% more than a similar sized, traditional home of a similar size. But the price difference would be more than made up in energy savings over the years.
As for factories, it varies based off several factors. My parents own a small factory that employs about 75 people. They have heavy machinery that runs off electricity -- If power goes out, they will be out of business temporarily. As a "back up", my parents recently bought a decommissioned military generator. It's hard wired into the plant, and runs off Diesel. It's tied to the same not-for-road-use (tax free) diesel tank they use for their forklifts. So, in the event of a power outage, they can generate their own electricity and keep business running. While their backup isn't exactly "green", their regular grid source could be green, and they'd only have to emit greenhouse gasses in the event of an outage. They are already considering massive solar installations to run the front office (AC, lights, computers, etc), massive fans in the factory, and even their giant business sign. They would pair the solar with a large battery installation, that could run the office for a day. If power goes out, they would only have to run the generator long enough to shut down the heavy machinery, and their front office could run off solar for a while with minimal usage.
Obviously, their example doesn't represent every factory, but companies could still do more to reduce current energy demand, and find small-scale ways to produce their own electricity in the event of an outage. Both of these would help contribute towards reducing stress on our current grid, allowing power companies to take their time replacing things with quality, green replacement options, instead of just jumping for "quick fixes" to get the power back up.
RalphieRaccoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard of the Passivhaus standard. They do have advantages, but other issues can include problems with moisture and ventilation in some climates, difficulty when in shade, and thicker walls meaning a larger footprint on small plots. And of course the cost.
I think many factories would do the same as your parents if the grid is increasingly seen as unreliable, or people turn to microgrids, then backup generators will become the norm, and they will go for the most cost effective option, which won't always be the greenest. The heavy machinery might draw more than you can realistically get out of a few rooftop solar panels, running the front of house stuff off solar seems like the best option, the fans and AC load will track with solar (though not exactly, there's typically a lag of an hour or so). If the factory plans on running a night shift things could get more complicated.
My example, my dad works (currently, he retires in two weeks!) at a sugar refinery. It's a pretty heavy industry all things considered, and there's an onsite coal power station that runs when the plant is active (only about half of the year, during the beet harvest, but then it runs 7 days a week 24/7, at least until something breaks!). The power plant is co-generation, it provides both electricity and steam (which is used in the refining process). Any excess power is exported to the village nearby. There are a couple of small wind turbines but they can only maybe just about run the offices when spinning, compared to the 13+ MWe the coal boiler provides it's pretty token. There is some utility scale solar nearby, but as we're in cloudy old England, it's pretty weedy and is pretty much useless in winter. Rooftop solar is fairly marginal here, and that's with subsidies.
Personally, I wouldn't count on factories too much, they won't all be like your parents. If you ask them to generate their own energy, they will go for the cheapest and most reliable, not necessarily the greenest, and they might just decide to quit paying for a grid connection and just run off that if reliability can't be guaranteed. As for saving energy, it depends on if it costs them more than what they would save on their energy bill (or it would be cheaper to move the factory to somewhere with lower energy prices).
cabarne4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I hear you on those passive house downsides. Here in the US, space isn't such a premium, so a slightly larger footprint due to thicker exterior walls isn't so bad. Cost is definitely the driving factor keeping us in cheap housing. Developers buy large parcels of land, divide it into small lots and cram as many houses as they can onto the plot, as cheaply as possible. The builder has no incentive to build passive, as it would eat into their profit margins. The end owner, who benefits the most from passive building, has no voice in the construction.
My parents haven't installed solar yet, but solar across their roof could 100% run their front office during sunny days. Energy storage (batteries) could keep the office running for 1-3 days with no sun, depending on AC usage (they're in the southeastern US, so climate is hot and humid for half the year).
The generator is only used to run the big machinery in the event of an outage. They really only have 3 main machines that need to run for them to remain operational. 2 in a pinch. They manufacture metal roofs and buildings. Basically, they have rolled steel in various colors on some large shelves. You put the coil on a de-coiler, which unwraps it and feeds it into the roll former. The roll former bends and presses the sheet metal into certain profiles used for wall and roof panels. The red iron that creates the frame of the building is stocked outside, and welded by hand into trusses and such. Forklifts are needed to move the coils, the finished packs of panels, and the iron. Electricity is needed to run the de-coiler, the roll former, as well as a large machine to bend trim pieces by hand. They stock most generic trim and standard sized trusses and beams, so in a pinch, they would just need to run the de-coiler and the roll former. The ex-military generator is more than capable to run those two machines, but something like a small solar or wind operation would not be enough.
Again, they live in the US Southeast, so rolling blackouts are fairly common. The infrastructure is poor, so power outages during storms, or even brownouts during peak usage are very, very common. An area like theirs would benefit greatly from more passive house construction (most homes are pre-manufactured and then dropped on site, so walls are thin and insulation is non-existant), as well as grid improvements to provide small-scale backups (I.e. Small solar farms with battery backups to service individual areas during an outage).
Coming from England, I'm sure your grid is in much better shape than ours, and since areas are generally more built up, with less open land between developed areas, wide-scale grids are more effective. In the US, it's common for high voltage transmission lines to carry power hundreds of miles to its end destination. Not only is it inefficient, but it would make targeted grid attacks easier, and puts large areas at risk of outages caused by far away things (I.e. A storm in Nevada could cause a power outage in Los Angeles, hundreds of miles away).
Louis-o-jelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More easily: we have another form of Flexibility: demand side management, crazy as it may sound, with a reasonable amount of digitalisation, we can, now, control demand to do a form of arbitrage (more correctly, demand shifting). It is already happening and working. I'd not be surprised if in 10 years all the AC and heat pumps will be able to work on the energy price signals.
cabarne4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true. Hell, I can buy a washer / dryer that waits until peak hours are over before it starts running the load of laundry. Even Teslas and Nissan Leafs can be set to not charge when plugged in, and instead wait for rates to go down.
But, demand is still demand. In hot climates, people will crank AC in the middle of the day. Lights come on at night. More efficient insulation, more economical air conditioning units, and more LED lights will lower the demand, but spikes will always exist.
If we find a good way to save electricity at home for later (like a house-battery), this peak usage could essentially be moved around. Imagine if, during peak usage at 2pm, your AC ran off the house battery, and then at 2am, the battery were to charge back up, while rates are low.
Colororcolour ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This gives me some hope. I'm not for big government, but that seems to be what everyone is cheering for. I'm glad the market made it available to protect the environment without too much government overreach.
cabarne4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm a pretty strong libertarian. While I think a small security net is good, I think government should stay out of a lot of things. Yes, the EPA did a great job getting our air clean -- but today's society, there's enough societal and economic pressure to keep things clean. Wind and solar prices are starting to be lower than coal and gas, so power companies are more inclined to go to those sources.
Personally, when it comes to politics, I think the federal government needs to be trimmed way down, and power needs to be given back to States and local governments. That's a bit of an oversinplification, but this is a Reddit comment and not a thesis paper, and I'm high on pain killers in the hospital right now.
thosethatwere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The market didn't make it that way, research did. The market did fuck all except keep us going down a deadend for way too fucking long. The market is the bad guy here, congratulating the market for what researchers did in the face of opposition market pressures is a real fucking insult.
Is this really what neoliberals tell themselves to help them sleep at night?
audigex ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:41:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody said it was cheaper... but there's a time you have to suck it up and accept that cheap comes with scale.
The price of offshore wind power has dropped something like 70% in under a decade. It might be expensive in the short term, but the price will quickly drop the harder we hit the rollout.
dallashigh ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar is already cheaper per unit than fossil fuels. The reason it hasn't taken over yet is infrastructure. Solar obviously only produces during sunlight and we don't have a good way to store that energy for use at a later time.
RalphieRaccoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's the rub, it might be cheaper to generate, but if you have to store it it becomes way way more expensive.
Hiawoofa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just don't have the technology to reliably store and utilize the energy at this time. Batteries need to improve a hell of a lot before solar/wind really are viable in most places as the energies are renewable, but quite unreliable.
Being able to store these massive quantities of evergy is literally one of the biggest challenges of engineering right now, and there are prizes/awards to be had for anyone who can solve it. So while I do support clean, renewable energy, we are still dependant on fossil fuels for the time being as they are the most reliable source we have available and they can be burned to meet needs without needed massive storage.
demostravius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Build a giant battery that breaks water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burns it again to release energy. Fully enclosed, renewable during the day to break apart the water, and burn at night.
Xilverbolt ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:26:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coal literally is a thing of the past. Plants are closing faster than ever (mostly due to cheap natty gas) but wind is cost competitive in lots of places and solar+storage is cost competitive and becoming cheaper every day. Nuclear would be great... but the cost is too high for anyone to bite that bullet. Just last week another NPP was stopped mid-construction. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/construction-halted-south-carolina-nuclear-power-reactors-n788331
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except you have the old guard actively and viciously fighting against the new, cleaner energies. Power companies saying people using solar can't sell their excess energy back to the grid, an entire White House administration that sucks coal's dirty cock. Etc.
MazeRed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the whole sell solar energy back maybe legitimate, grid isn't built for that kind of power load, and it's up to the power companies (well local and state municipalities I guess) to decide if they want to buy it.
Karzdan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well. Nevada made it practically illegal to put solar panels on your house. ๐
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. It's entirely a greed/profit driven move. https://www.consumerreports.org/energy-saving/how-utilities-are-fighting-back-on-solar-power/ https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/climate/rooftop-solar-panels-tax-credits-utility-companies-lobbying.html https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jan/13/solar-panel-energy-power-company-nevada https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/utilities-sensing-threat-put-squeeze-on-booming-solar-roof-industry/2015/03/07/2d916f88-c1c9-11e4-ad5c-3b8ce89f1b89_story.html?utm_term=.20b50ab1c4c0
Arokyara ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in Australia
The_Enemys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're talking about coal, it's a thing of the past with a ridiculously well funded museum.
Arokyara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More coal powerplants might be being built in South Australia because renewable solar/wind energy is scary.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I just meant that it's still a thing of the past, even if a load of grumpy old men who are scared of change refuse to let it go
AmoebaMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear is too expensive for the same reason Google Fiber is too expensive. Entrenched energy providers (including renewables) wield the government's regulatory power like a weapon to keep competitors out.
texasrigger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Natural gas is much cheaper and cleaner than coal and is nearly a byproduct of the oil industry and in many places is taking over for power production. Coal already is a thing of the past with many plants shutting down and to my knowledge no new ones being built. The coal industry at this point is tiny compared to others in the energy sector.
hmditters ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the statement, "If we had an option cheaper than coal/oil then it would boom and coal would be a thing of the past" puts undo faith in free markets. Honestly, if we had robust public expenditure we could solve this energy thing (in my opinion, whatever the least cost combo strategy which includes nuclear, wind, solar, biomass, hydro... makes the most sense to me). Fossil fuels get huge subsidies. We didn't build the railroads or the national highway system by letting the market decide. We did it using public funding combined with private business. EDIT: have you heard of Leigh Phillips?he's a socialist but he lays out what I'm saying pretty well.
thosethatwere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should check out France. Or even better, Norway. They don't really use fossil fuels. It's honestly already completely viable, not being renewable now is a choice.
The_Enemys ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from all of the subsidies for fossil fuels still present, it doesn't actually have to be cheaper to be viable, since increasing numbers of people are willing to pay a bit more for cleaner power if that's the only step they need to take to make it happen. Not to mention that government incentives to get things going could make a huge difference.
Having said that, I also don't think we're there yet, there's still loads of limitations of the technology largely in capital resource consumption, but I do think we're orders of magnitude closer than our implementations imply, and if we increased our percentage of renewable power enough that would buy enough time to sort out the remaining details.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already happening. Natural Gas is set to overtake coal as the United States' primary energy source this year if it hasn't already
We're also seeing accelerating growth in renewables, especially wind power which is now the cheapest energy source to install
Coal is already obsolete, and it's being phased out a lot more quickly than you think.
lazarus78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear, wind, and solar. All can produce all the power we need, and much much more.
Why is coal and oil still a thing? Greed. Apparently it is really really hard to get a monolithic industry that has capitalized a whole industry to actually change.
And since we cant get coal and oil out of the way, the cost of the alternatives remains high.
Hiawoofa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's one reason. But we don't have the technology to store these massive ammounts of energy needed reliably. It just isn't to that point yet. We're making great strides, but battery technology needs to improve greatly before solar/wind energy can be reliably delivered on these massive scales and during times of no power production.
Fossil fuels aren't going to go away completely any time soon. Even if we switched to completely renewable, many, many places would rely on fossil fuels at night or during long periods without production because we just can't store the energy reliably yet.
And I guarantee you the first people to invest in solar/wind will be the big oil companies so they can hold onto a changing market and profit off of the best energy source at the time. It just isn't viable to switch 100% yet. But I do support a transition and I am fully behind research efforts into more reliable, renewable energy.
These companies are greedy, and so they'll switch when the market demands a switch. It just needs to make economic sense for them first, so batteries need to improve considerably and get cheaper.
lazarus78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't even store the energy we produce now. Its produced literally on an "as needed" basis because production and demand have to be balanced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uz6xOFWi4A
That is why we need better power distribution so that those remote places that, for whatever reason, cant use solar or wind, can still get power.
And you are forgetting about nuclear reactors. Small scale is completely practical for such environments.
We are in the process of switching... And Oil companies are trying to stop the industry from switching...
Hiawoofa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm on mobile so I can't format well, but I'll address some of your points:
I'm aware we produce as needed currently, but we can't really do that with renewable (apart from nuclear, which I didn't mention above because of the challenges with zoning, approving, lobbying, etc. though I do personally like the option.) So it becomes NECESSARY to store energy. That's a big issue with these sources; they're just not reliable without a way to store the energy.
Better distribution won't fix the issue of storage entirely because no matter what, we have to store this evergy for the "down times." So until that time, we will be relying on fossil fuels "hopefully" in tandem with renewables.
I'll admit I'm not completely on the up and up with the political side of these energy issues. But I would hope these energy companies are smart enough to see the benefit of investing in renewable. And if not, they'll be obsoleted as soon as we can feasibly utilize renewable energy.
Again, I support renewables wholeheartedly, but being on the engineering side of this, it just isn't completely feasible yet. It's literally one of the biggest issues in engineering with huge award money on the line. Hopefully in 10 years, but right now, we should be focusing on better efficiency and distribution of power/infrastructure so we're ready for the switch when these technologies catch up to our needs.
I am all on board for nuclear, but it's so hard to get a plant up and running even IF there is support from the community. There's so much red tape, and sadly the accidents have scared many people away even if it would create many more jobs. So I really hope we can get past this bias, but I don't see it happening for a while.
Thanks for not blind down-voting my comment by the way! That's a refreshing thing to see on Reddit.
lazarus78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear plants work in principal the same as fossil. Boil water to spin a turbine. So nuclear makes this point moot.
Distribution also means we can have larger nuclear plants in one area to produce power for larger areas.
Maybe not for national grids, but smaller local grids, it is perfectly viable. But alas, power companies discourage this every chance they get.
Also, it is probably a good idea to be making the shift now rather than waiting till it is feasible for a 100% switch.
Envirnmentalists have really fucked up the politics for it. "Nuclear waste is bad! But we don't want it moved to the safest place on earth for it. But keeping it on site is bad too! What are you doing?!"
Stupid tree-huggers.
I rarely downvote people. Only the special kinds of stupid people.
Hiawoofa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're on the same page here. I support nuclear, and wish we could just create the jobs by building more plants.
But sadly it lowers local housing prices because of the stigma as nobody wants to move there anymore, but it's such a good option and requires relatively little change from fossil fuels. Because of this and lobbying, the pants get voted down a lot.
Let's just hope the field of engineering can step up their game in the next 15 years. We've come a long way from 2002, so I know we can do it.
The_Immoral_God ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of fusion?
wetryagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm. We have nuclear energy, solar energy, wind energy, hydroelectric power. It is booming. Know why coal and natural gas boomed? Billions upon billions of subsidies just like the oil industry has had for decades. R&D is everything.
fraid_knott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big Business keeps the renewable sources businesses held back. There are countries that have mega solar panels in certain areas that power entire towns. BB has more money and therefore are able to lobby more for their interests. The same can be said of Big Pharmaceutical companies that keep the cost of medicines so high. As the saying goes :"The Golden Rule means that those with the gold make the rules".
jb4427 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the United States. Georgetown, Texas is 100% run on renewables (mostly wind, but still)...and it's the reddest town in Texas. I'm actually about to switch to 100% renewables for my electricity because I'm moving to a municipality with deregulated utilities, also in Texas.
It will not be long before the entire US is run on clean energy.
JustChilling029 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember posting in a similar thread and gave a source but I'm on mobile right now. It was saying Texas is within the top 10 states for solar too and will soon be in the top 5 even with our energy being so cheap here. If energy ever got expensive again green energy would be even huger.
Colororcolour ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm for removing the subsidies and letting the market decide. Once you give the gov the power to single handedly destroy a company interests will get involved.
POSMStudios ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the reason why Big Pharma keeps prices so high is because it costs a bare minimum of $5 billion to research a new drug- not counting distribution operations, or the literal 100's of failed compounds that came previous to that one. They have to recoup their money somewhere, and the vast majority of their profits go back into developing new drugs.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar is cheaper than coal and competitive with oil.
Earl_Harbinger ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheaper after subsidy and discounting storage/balancing cost
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As if oil and coal don't get subsidies lmfao.
Earl_Harbinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Per kWh renewables receive far more $ in subsidy.
brainstorm42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUT MUH COAHL JAHBS
kjvlv ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:51:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad told me back in the 70's that the only reason we do not utilize solar is because they can not figure out a way to put a meter on the sun.
texasrigger ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:06:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which makes no sense. You don't meter production you meter consumption. Even with home solar it is metered as part of the grid and in cases where production outpaces consumption your meter actually roles backwards. However, with many home systems (not counting off the grid) you pump power in during the day when the sun is out and pull power from the grid at night when it isn't and so you end up relatively neutral on your bill with the average consumption at or near zero.
For off the grid stuff, the production and eventual disposal of batteries also produces quite a bit of hazardous waste and the ecological effects of that shouldn't be ignored when comparing the different power options.
kjvlv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes sense. If the power company can not charge you they will fight it. Was a big issue here in Nevada with Net metering. What my dad was saying is the technology was there but the power companies did not know how to charge you for the sun and did not want it.
texasrigger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just it... If you are drawing power from the grid, and if you are getting it from a power company you are, then metering it works the same. The meter doesn't know the difference between solar generated power versus the blackest of coal. Charging the end user works the same.
The only scenario where your dad's saying makes sense is off-grid home production but it's not the power companies that produce those panels, it's competing independent companies who have a financial interest in producing the most efficient panel possible for the lowest cost as the lack of efficiency and high initial investment is the thing that scares off a lot of prospective buyers.
Doctor_Worm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of the thing though. Solar is energy that nearly cuts out the energy industry. You can have a personal home generator that runs on coal or oil or gas, but you'd still have to buy the fuel regularly from a fossil fuel company, because it's not plausible to drill / mine / refine it all on your own, from your own property.
With solar power, though there are some challenges remaining in terms of reliability, efficiency, etc, it's plausible at least in principle to have a manageable upfront cost and then pay nothing again for years because the power source doesn't need to be refilled within your lifetime -- it just shows up naturally every day, and a panel that fits on your roof converts it to electricity for you cleanly and silently. You might eventually need repairs or replacements, but not that often.
A power company COULD build a solar plant, but we wouldn't have to rely on them to do it like we do with nuclear energy and fossil fuels.
The_Enemys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just put a meter between your commercial solar farm and the grid.
andysaurus_rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All our needs? We'd need something other than electricity for cars, trucks, planes, and ships.
TheSekret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But coal
stinkerino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks obama
Wellfuckme123 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up Thorium Nuclear Fluoride reactors. 70 times more efficient than Uranium power, over 100 times more than gasoline. No Nuclear waste and it's more ubiquitous than lead.
10ebbor10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thorium Nuclear Fluoride has nuclear waste, just less of it.
Wellfuckme123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plastic also leaves massive amounts of waste but you don't see us stopping companies and countries from using it.
Thorium is the most energy efficient system for generating electrical power in history. The faster we get to using it the sooner we can reduce the global costs of global warming, poverty and inequality.
123456789-0 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:23:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to think that the development of scalable nuclear fusion power plants is our best bet for the future. Civilization would revolutionize.
Wolfey1618 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet we don't give it much funding for some fucked up reason
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wolfey1618 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? How?
JCSalomon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long-term (a century or two out), space-based solar collectors are probably going to be more effective than even fusion. But if we ever manage the engineering, fusion will be an excellent stop-gap for a good few decades.
Tall_dark_and_lying ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please explain why you think this.
It's honestly baffling to me that you think solar panels, even when put in ideal conditions such as space, could ever compete with the potential of fusion power. Let alone the fact the solar panels have to be thousands of km away from where you want the power.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you get the power down to Earth? Giant cables attached to space tethers? I've read that there's no way that beaming the power down via microwaves would be efficient.
JCSalomon ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what if beaming power is inefficient? Just add a few more square kilometers of solar power collection to make up for the transmission loses.
10ebbor10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar pannels aren't exactly free..
shasty21 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:48:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wish people would understand nuclear power isn't the devil.
BobbyDropTableUsers ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear is even safer than wind, when accounting for deaths per power generated.
The biggest deterrent is that the general public is clueless as to how it works. So paranoia takes over in the decision making process.
The US Navy has had people living and working months at a time within less than 30 meters of 10MW reactors, with no ill effects or a single major incident.
Fun fact: The current radiation within half a mile around Fukushima is less than the radiation experienced on a commercial plane at cruising altitude.
amolad ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fission is the devil.
Clean ways of producing nuclear fission can be obtainable until everything goes solar.
the_pinguin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:09:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, fission is really bad, until you compare it to anything else.
amolad ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:52:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's worse than anything you can name. It's polluting the planet in ways we can't even measure properly yet.
Every nuclear fission plant leaks. The more it builds over time, the sicker people get as they get older, i.e. Alzheimer's and other brain problems (ADD, ADHD, etc.).
thebadscientist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:03:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear plants are not suppossed to leak at all.
There are no accumulation of anything in the atmosphere or nature unless you count fuckups by human error or shitty location (Chernobyl and Fukushima respectively).
Modern reactors are safe.
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, their are legal levels of stuff they're allowed to dump into the atmosphere.
Completely harmless and neglible compared to background radiation, but it's there.
amolad ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That will proven to be totally wrong. Mark my words. Nothing to do with human fuckups. It's the nature of nuclear fission.
Only a form of nuclear fusion can be safe for humanity. Until everything goes solar.
thebadscientist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:22:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I smell fearmongering and propaganda.
amolad ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:21:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you smell science that we don't understand yet.
thebadscientist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:31:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We fully understand fission and the consequences of leaking its waste.
amolad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We think we do. Do we know all levels on which it leaks?
Ask Neil deGrasse Tyson about dark matter. It's in 98% of the universe but they don't know what it is.
Science we don't understand yet.
thebadscientist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:46:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck does dark matter go to do with nuclear?
Again, we fully understand everything about it. There are no uncertainty.
Widely accepted theories and models describe and explain everything about it.
amolad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, we know ALL there is to know about science in the universe? When did that happen?
Because there is actually a connection. Not direct, but a connection.
Now, you can't say you haven't heard it before.
thebadscientist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:53:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we still talking about nuclear?
the_pinguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's on the accuser to prove their theory. Although calling what you have a theory is granting undue credence to your ramblings. You're talking about how terrible fission is with zero evidence. All you have to back up your claim is a belief that some future science will prove your point.
You have no evidence. No hypothesis. No proposal to test your supposition.
Your grasp of science seems to be on par with your grasp of fission.
the_pinguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, which is it, brainiac?
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:01:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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willusq ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That reactor was built in 1971. Reactors if today do not really have the potential go into meltdown like that. Many more safeties involved.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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-SUBW00FER- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans learn from their mistakes, the many things learned from fukushima have made a lot of other nuclear reactors better and safer.
jakeycunt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Passive safety systems. Fukushima plant was older than the Chernobyl power plant. Nowadays nuclear power plants can shut down without any humans pressing any buttons. Fukushima required a computer powered by electricity provided by diesel generators to shut it down which got flooded. Modern day ones use compressed air.
It may surprise you, but only about 20 people will die from Fukushima due to the higher background radiation level in the sea. Compared to the tens of thousands who died in the tsunami. Compared to the millions who will die if we don't replace coal with nuclear especially in developing countries like China.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ScubaSwede ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just passing through these comments here, but had to stop to clear up your last question there. China does have the highest population in the world, but it is indeed a developing country. Those two facts aren't really dependent on each other. Although there is disagreement in the international community about the criteria and designations, the IMF and other organizations use life expectancy, infant mortality rate, literacy, etc. to determine how developed a country is. By most metrics China is a developing country well on its way to matching "developed" countries like Germany or the U.S.
NAFI_S ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millions? You sound ridiculous.
stereotype_novelty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THORIUM
shasty21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we shouldn't use nuclear power because of a freak occurrence?
George_Joestar ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:44:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only viable way so far seems to be Thorium Fission Reactors.
not4urbrains ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if my needs involve a 1967 Corvette Stingray?
Gnomad_Lyfe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:11:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you'll have the energy to work for one
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then the world will be clean enough that a little CO2 emission for motorsport or hobbies will be considered socially acceptable. You might pay a bit of a premium on your fuel for some carbon offset or something, but you won't care too much because it's a hobby and you get to drive a badass car.
You'll then spend the rest of the week driving your Tesla to work, and feel great about the fact you get to save the world for your grandkids but still blast around for entertainment occasionally
auron_py ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:10:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't nuclear power almost-the closest thing we have resembling that?
Correct me if i'm wrong.
JimCanuck ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:53:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear is cheap, clean and we will be extinct before we run out.
Zoomwafflez ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 14:12:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we can already do that now, we just need to implement it.
IAmA_Risky_Click_AMA ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:27:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the achievement I'm waiting on, though if we're breaking it down a bit more the greatest value would be from globally abandoning coal power (I'm also looking at you, India).
Misaiato ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coal-india-closes-37-mines-solar-power-sustainable-energy-market-influence-pollution-a7800631.html
It's starting to happen.
IAmA_Risky_Click_AMA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remain anxiously hopeful.
audigex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Per capita, India really isn't very polluting.
India is a concern for the future, but right now there are plenty of countries doing worse
BackdoorDan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Synux ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have that. They're called LFTRs and Oak Ridge National Labs built them in the 1960's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK367T7h6ZY
The only reason we didn't pursue this tech is because Nixon wanted to build weapons and there is no waste from these reactors with which to make said weapons.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:21:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion
PedanticPlatypodes ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are we anywhere close to nuclear fusion though? Just curiosity
Sudac ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:51:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been only 20 years away for the past 6 decades.
Jokes aside, progress is actually being made. You may have heard a while back that they finally succeeded in getting more energy out of the reaction than they put in. However, this was only the reaction, and they still had a net energy loss.
Still, it's progress, and some scientists believe that we're now capable of making a sustainable reactor if we scale it up enough.
And this is where the problem begins. A reactor of this scale is costly. We're talking billions and billions of dollars. So it's very possible that if Trump decided to redirect the entire military budget of the US to researching fusion, we'd have a working reactor before 2020.
This'll never happen though, so funding for fusion remains sparse.
They are currently building the ITER facility though, in southern france. This is set to become by far the largest test fusion reactor ever built, and is currently our best chance at getting a sustainable reaction. I believe the plan was to start small scale tests in 2022, ramping up to going all out in 2035.
Tl;dr: Nobody really knows how close we are to fusion. Best case scenario is probably 2035-2040. Worst case is never.
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More precisely :
Honestly, that experiment was seriously overhyped. Numerically speaking, the real gain was 0.0077 (breakeven at 1). For comparison's sake the JET facility build in 1984 (but upgraded continuously) is at 0.67, the current world record. Iter is going to 10.
In my opinion, the reporting of the NIF results was deliberatly misleading to hide the fact that National Ignition program was failing badly (and has since been cancelled to make way for nuclear weapon tests).
Link
Occulus1975 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually yes. Lockheed is working on one project they claimed as of a couple years ago that seemed to hold a lot of promise. Then there's the Tokamak.
PedanticPlatypodes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs so cool! I only know about fusion from physics class, but itโs crazy that we can potentially do that sort of stuff
jb4427 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few people have claimed fusion over the years and never been able to replicate it. Don't hold your breath.
VelocilBrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually fusion has been achieved more than once before. The only problem is getting break even energy levels.
DrMonkeyLove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, a fusion bomb produces way more than break even, but it's, you know, a bomb...
10ebbor10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's this
Unfortunately, ITER has suffered from political delays, which has upset the curve.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was 30 years off back in the 1970s, so any day now!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:22 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure. People have been saying its just around the corner for years.
yoshi_win ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:41:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're building a huge tokamak (ITER) in France right now!
Jellybean_Drifter ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fingers crossed
lazerlandb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hydro electric power.
youlikecake ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear is not considered renewable. It's nuclear.
jakeycunt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100,000 years worth of uranium retrievable from sea water. Thats pretty much the same effect as renewable. The only reason we aren't getting our uranium from the sea water now is because the mining companies have set the price of ore as just below the price to get it from the sea.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mining companies aren't setting the price, the free market is.
jakeycunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point my argument is making is more about that there is loads of uranium found naturally in sea water, so there for nuclear is in fact a long term (100,000 years) option.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:44 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sun is also nuclear fusion. There is no such thing as a truly renewable fuel source. Some day all mass energy in the universe will run out. The sun's energy is not infinite.
drakefish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been thinking about that one. There are so many things I can imagine will change for the better once energy is free and clean. We will finally stop feeling bad about using energy and my favorite idea is that this could lead to the creation of new complex networks, maybe even a new kind of internet which will not be federated by greedy bastards because every single device which uses it would also actively participate in it, and it wouldn't matter that it costs more energy than before because it would be free and even wireless devices would most likely have much better batteries which we could charge virtually anywhere anyway. Call me crazy, but in a way this is my reply to OP because I really wish I can see that in my lifetime.
pdmcmahon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:43:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about all of those coal mining jobs?
(Obvious sarcasm implied)
Roevhaal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll just have to make more steel then!
Foriegn_Picachu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We use the coal for power plants on mars, to terraform it.
AcceptablePariahdom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has existed for years. Is blocked by government contracts and big oil.
Not even conspiracy theory, it's a fact widely known in the scientific community.
Some smaller countries, with less shitty governments that don't worship the dollar more than any religion ever has their God, have already begun implementing it and are actually making enough to export energy. Like Denmark.
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While Denmark exports energy, you'll also note that they have fairly big subsidies.
There is no magical solution.
ProNanner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:36:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand
GloomyAzure ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just need to get better at fusion power then :)
YoungGP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've heard somewhere that there might be infinite, renewable energy that already exists, but information about it is private because it could destroy the economy and possibly be abused
iHateReddit_srsly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We know plenty about the sun.
jaamfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holding out for that Shizuma Drive. Feels like today we're at a standstill.
TheCheeseGod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are honestly not too far from achieving this, we just need more of the super wealthy people, corporations and governments to TRY (and to take a risk with their money) to achieve this.
Fuck it really pisses me off how difficult it can be for researchers to get funding in these areas.
thedudedylan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly we are already too late.
papawarbucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly the only thing we really fight over is energy
herpaderp89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm associated with the oil and natural industry and I too would like to see this become a real thing.
Dresden89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I install and maintain renewable energies. It's already cheap, clean and can meet all our needs. It's the political willpower that's lacking.
Xenjael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working on it in my own small way dude! Trying to invent an atmospheric water generator than can produce a significant volume of water even in bad conditions, without an outside source of energy.
I figure itll take another 20 years. I don't think the material it will need has yet to be invented. So I gotta find that first to make it shine!
RedditingWhileWorkin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I sell solar for a living and we can get people to 100% offset or higher very easily. It exists, its just a matter of whether people want it.
double_turd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soooo, the sun?
NationalDiarrhea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tycoons in the oil industry will kill whoever invents a device that can put them out of business
Criviton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this should have been the first comment but people are ignorant stupid fucks who think going to mars is more important than not dying to sea level rise
jermaine-jermaine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Came to post this so many much.
lethalcup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately this keeps getting slowed by big oil/gas/energy companies that profit big from burning fossil fuels for energy..
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap, clean, renewable energy meeting our needs and not being monopolized and price gouged by greedy opportunists would be a plus.
TauntingtheTBMs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elon said all we need is 100 miles x 100 miles of solar panels out in the desert somewhere where there is the space
trog12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A warm light for all mankind to share?
HookDragger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've been 10 years away from fusion power for the last quarter century :D
LostWoodsInTheField ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That + advanced storage capabilities would change just about all aspects of our lives no matter where we lived. Storage right now is probably our biggest issue with energy.
Lightning has an average of 10 billion watts of energy in each bolt. If we could easily capture and store that locally we could help a lot of people with their energy needs. Right now the tech is a bit crappy, complicated, and expensive (even the hydrogen generators).
Sherlocksdumbcousin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then we might end the cycle of
US $$$ to Saudi Arabia > Saudi $$$ to Islamists > US $$$ to fight Islamists
ucrbuffalo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And hopefully, that renewable energy won't get taxed so high that it's not a viable option (something that has already happened in Oklahoma).
farfletched ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't really matter now though. We surpassed the 400ppm. That was the point of no return. Wer'e fucked.
letsjustsayimme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a brilliant technology that can profide this. A liquid fluoride thorium reactor The technology research got halted about 50 years ago, but now luckily there is progress again all over the world. India is building one already. There is enough thorium to power us almost for ever and it is also on the moon and mars! The reactor would be a very efficient power generator with barely any waste.
Sadly the stigma around nuclear reactors is still bad but this is very a save solution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor https://youtu.be/c7baTdyHv8g
jandetlefsen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
done
Anniemaldanger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As i scrolled down, I knew I'd find an answer like yours. I second this
SisyphusCoffeeBreak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Too cheap to meter."
shot_glass ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And cause a bunch more. All those volatile nations that are just hanging on by a thread with all that oil money, will have no money.
blubat26 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do, nuclear power plants.
BradJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cue in Elon Musk
GregRed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My province in Canada functions entirely on hydro and wind electricity. I don't get why we even mention nuclear when we have the technology for clean energy like wind, hydro and solar.
Popperthrowaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://dothemath.ucsd.edu has some interesting calculations. Pretty harsh limits on hydro: https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/12/how-much-dam-energy-can-we-get/
Solar has a lot of potential, wind has some. Nuclear is pretty necessary for baseline generation though, since we can't build enough storage to go without.
Ask_me_about_my_pug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is some Dr. Fleischman shit right here.
stink3rbelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard an interesting idea about making renewables work during peak hours: if enough people have electric vehicles they could work as batteries. Charge up overnight during off-peak hours, and then in the evening you could draw power (what remains after your travel of the day) from the vehicle.
LakeButter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
12 massive dildos up my ass
PmMeLogicalFallacies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But dirty energy makes things hotter. ;)
Ferg8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, choose only two of those.
MrNurseMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It already exists, we just haven't caught up socially and politically.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda wish people would start looking to nuclear energy a lot more. Besides accidents like Chyernobyl and Fukushima, Nuclear energy is otherwise safe and quite clean.
10ebbor10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even Fukushima was remarkably safe. The total deaths is less than 10, even if we include the people who drowned in the plant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Fukushima was placed on a beach, which is a terrible idea considering Japan is known for Tsunamis. It could've been completely avoided.
seth1299 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
B-b-but muh corporate non-renewable energy money grabbers :(
KillerJupe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It already exists, the will to implement it is now the problem
factbasedorGTFO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not when you include space heating, process heating, and transportation. We still primarily incinerate things to provide heat and transport large amounts of anything.
usernameblankface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We see lower prices for the energy we need, whoever owns that cheap clean source sees higher profit margins.
RandomExcess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
look into wind, solar, and water... it is already happening.
teewuane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'd put a lot of oil owners out of business don't you think?
wittyusername4me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can have cheap and clean, but not renewable, cheap and renewable, but not clean, or clean and renewable, but not cheap.
KingCowPlate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have the potential to do this
CallMeDoc24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion
xRom3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap clean renewable energy won't probably solve everything. Just being realistic here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It already exists. Oil is cheaper tho, so it wins.
cench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now read this in Skynet's voice.
zeekaran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean nuclear?
Dr_Classified ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion is on the way
account_1100011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar already exists. We just need batteries to store the energy overnight.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can do 2 of those 3 things at once. Never more.
Thundarrx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pick two
onewaymutha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or people who are less dependent on production type energy based lifestyles.
paxgarmana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aren't fossil fuels technically renewable?
just takes a few million years?
man2112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we already have nuclear, which is head and shoulders above every other energy source currently.... But too many people falsely think "nuclear bomb" when they hear about nuclear power plants.
wouldyoulikeabag ยท 6160 points ยท Posted at 11:39:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accessible mental health assistance to all who need it
keluvsorangesoda ยท 2040 points ยท Posted at 14:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And zero stigma attached!
svenson_26 ยท 159 points ยท Posted at 14:41:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how we'll get past the stigma.
People are afraid of people with mental health issues.
cainezedd ยท 85 points ยท Posted at 14:55:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just had a family member ask about scars on my arms during a big family meal. I don't think there's any appropriate way to respond to that truthfully without making everyone uncomfortable. No one wants to hear that you harmed yourself.
svenson_26 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:58:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you supposed to say?
Even if you were to answer truthfully, what are they supposed to say? Is there anything they could say that wouldn't be extremely awkward?
rhymes_with_snoop ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:34:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's in the past:
"I went through a very dark time a while back, but I'm doing a lot better now with proper medical care. I'm really lucky to have had that opportunity to help pull myself out, and while it's always a struggle like so many other lifelong diseases, I have it nicely under control. Speaking of, how's your Crohn's Disease, Aunt Evelyn?"
If it's current:
"Fighting a pretty wicked disease, but my doctor and I are getting it figured out. Thank you for your concern."
That's my thinking, anyway. Responding in as vague of terms and making it clear you're working on it (or did work on it) with your doctor, the same as you would respond to another chronic disease, is probably the best route.
cainezedd ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:12:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my point, even if there isn't any "stigma" as such, it's just not something that's easy to discuss anyway.
GaySwans ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 23:37:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I was curious about what was under my skin. It wasn't very surprising what I found, but I had to do it a few more times just to make sure."
runaway_love_ ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:34:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why people feel so compelled to ask?! You see the scars on my arms. I can't get rid of them. Unless your a complete moron, you know exactly what they are. So if you wanna have a conversation about mental health, great. But don't bring up something that's clearly extremely awkward and personal under the guise of pretending you don't know what it's from. So awkward every time.
Soren11112 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:44:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surprise, people get gashes and cuts other ways... Deep scratches from animals can look very similar.
GiveMeThePineapple ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but it's better to just not ask about it, unless they bring it up. I don't have any self harm scars, but people have asked me about the dent in my leg (from a skateboarding accident) and all I could think about was that the person who asked me about it knew nothing. It could have been from a tramautic car crash that I didn't want to talk about, or my ex-boyfriend could have beaten me to the point where he caused nerve damage in my leg. You never know. Good thing for me, I'm fine talking about taking a wrong turn on a skateboard, but someone with scars or anything of the like may have a different story that they don't want to talk about --regardless of mental health.
Soren11112 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:47:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything said could strike a nerve, that is no reason to censor yourself or curiosity.
GiveMeThePineapple ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:08:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curiosity is normal, but to voice it when it might make someone else uncomfortable or self-conscious is rude. Just gotta be sensitive to others' feelings before you ask/say something about their appearance, y'know?
Soren11112 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:09:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Why must you be sensitive when it will hinder you?
Nottabird_Nottaplane ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:41:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop being a tactless fool and think about others before you open your mouth. For fuck's sake. The person you were talking to was being too polite. This insistence on being able to satisfy "curiosity" with no regard to the cost others must pay is immature, selfish, disgusting and -- more than anything else -- annoying.
Soren11112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it has no significant cost on others. No sane person will be significantly effected by a question, you could ask someone how their mother died and it wouldn't have a significant effect on them. And, speaking of immature what about how, I "must pay". And, finally like I said everything everyone says could strike a nerve.(clearly it seems I have done that to you, and for that I apologize but I won't refuse to speak because of it.) I'd rather have everyone have hurt feelings than have everyone unable to speak.
runaway_love_ ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:48:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah when they are lined up perfectly on one side of your arm ten in a row or more it's quite obvious. If it was easy to lie and say I had gotten into a badass throw down with a bear, wouldn't be so awkward would it?
softpeachie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:37:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I got attacked by a giant t rex over my plate of spaghetti"
TheVeggieLife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhhh cringe. I'm sorry.
shannjob ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's shit! When is it EVER appropriate to ask someone about a scar? Especially at the dinner table! Same thing has happened to me with my family, or even complete strangers. "How do you think I got these parallel scars on my non dominant arm?" It honestly feels like they're trying to embarrass you though. I wish I could say I've answered that question confidently. I usually just change the subject :/ sorry that happened to you. I understand how humiliating that can be.
cainezedd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:35:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of the time people are just innocently unaware. A friend of mine once jumped in with the excuse I'd fallen off my bike with him and ever since that's been my go to story. I don't care how much people believe it so long as they change the subject.
shannjob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:47:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good point. I suppose I'm being a bit pessimistic. I still maintain that it's impolite to question people about scars. That was smart of your friend though. I may use it in the future.
cainezedd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:41 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is impolite a lot of the time but this was my aunt who knows me well and was just expressing genuine concern which I think isn't as bad as virtual strangers who bring it up.
Yeah he is a good friend, we'd recently been mountain biking together and he figured that was a good cover. This was one of those instances with a total stranger and her response was so bad. "Oh I thought you were like emo like ahhh I hate myself" whilst making cutting motions. It didn't bother me but THAT is rude.
Slacker5001 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's possible to get rid of the stigma of treatment while still having a stigma or fear of the actual condition itself. For example there are people who are afraid or uncomfortable around people with serve autism but they have no negative views of the diagnosis process. In fact I think many see the diagnosis process for things like that as positive because then they have an answer and can seek help and resources easier.
I think for some there is a stigma attached to treatment still that is not necessarily related to views of mental illness. Many people say things like "Therapy just doesn't work for me"or flat out misunderstand what we use inpatient and outpatient treatment programs for.
We can fix those views first I like to think, even if we still carry a stigma against those who are noticeably mentally ill.
svenson_26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
excellent viewpoint
cjbeames ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think they are more afraid of me than I am of them? Schizophrenic here.
Keto_Kidney_Stoner ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:32:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Also, many people live with this idea that death can't touch them, or that dying is the absolute worst possible thing. Those people can't even begin to understand a person who has to daily make a choice to live, or a person who's contemplated suicide.
HandlebarHipster ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible. Think of the stigma that issued to be attached to talking to kids about sex. It's still there for a lot of people, but also it has also decreased dramatically. Society takes about a generation to change. I think the young ones now will be better about this stigma.
mgvertigo101 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:56:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the 50s and 60s it was cancer, in the 80s and 90s it was AIDS, and now there is a stigma against mental health. We'll get there.
lifeontheQtrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had no idea there was a cancer stigma back then. How exactly did that pan out? Cancer is more common than AIDS, if not mental health.
mgvertigo101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems I misspoke a bit, I asked my dad, who is a blood cancer doc. The cancer stigma was mostly pre 1950s, and mostly had to do with the fact that cancer was essentially a death sentence. Doctors didn't want to burden their patients with the diagnosis, so they would use euphemisms like "growths", to beat around the bush. Family members would try and hide the news from the afflicted person, because it was hard to accept the news. For example, it might be obvious that Grandma has breast cancer, but nobody would say a thing to her about it. Cancer was so deadly back then because just about the only treatment was surgery, and that wasn't very effective once the cancer metastasized.
The other element to the stigma was that a lot of the cancers back then were self-inflicted via smoking or asbestos, or poor working conditions. It was often difficult for people to accept this.
After WWII, according to my dad, there was a 'golden age' of cancer medicine, when radiation and chemo treatments began to emerge, and the life expectancy of patients slowly began to rise. Only then did the stigma of cancer really begin to go away.
Hope this helped!
lifeontheQtrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It certainly did, thanks for this helpful reply!
brettins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much everyone has mental health issues, that's how we get past the stigma.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true though. Most people don't. A ton do, last I saw it was estimated at 25%, but that's still 75% who will never know what it's like.
brettins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enough to diagnose as an actual disease or disorder? Yeah, 25%. People who are messed up mentally in some way and would hugely benefit from seeing a therapist? Damn near 100%. And that's how you remove stigma - openly acknowledging that almost everyone has mental issues that seeing a professional would help, instead of the hard line you are referring to, which is diagnosed disorders.
tthershey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:55:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you're saying and you're absolutely right that most people would likely benefit from talking to a therapist, but there's a danger in saying everyone has mental health issues in that you minimize their gravity. That's when people say, "Oh we all get depressed sometimes, get over it", as if people with clinical depression are simply weaker than they are and not suffering from a disease.
brettins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a slippery slope on both sides, I suppose. I think a lot of the pain and suffering in the world come from people not dealing with these kinds of mental health issues, and I also think that people telling depressed people to get over it are fools. But there's a balance were we can acknowledge that everyone is messed up, but some of us much more than others. Not sure what the way to express that, but for the moment I will keep saying mental health issues until I find a better alternative.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:01:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I agree (speaking as someone with 3 mental illness diagnoses).
I think that would be a great way to remove the stigma around seeing a therapist, but I don't think it would help remove the stigma from those of us who need medication and significant behavioral therapies just to function and leave the house. I could see someone trivializing mental health (like they already do) by saying, "just go see a therapist, it's not hard". When you may already be going to frequent appointments with your psychologist and on several medications. I say this, because it's happened to me from people who have received counseling for non-mental illness problems. Sometimes they THINK they understand because they have seen a psychologist, but have no actual mental illness that needed to be addressed. I think the best way to remove the stigma is for those of us who suffer from mental illness to be open and vocal about it to anyone who will listen. Once a person can put a face to an issue, it often helps the social view of that issue.
brettins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:29:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree to disagree, I suppose. The reason people trivialize mental illness right now is because it is 'invisible' and we don't talk about it freely, so people are uninformed and say stupid shit. Either way, people saying stupid shit isn't really that big of a deal - they do that all the time about all subjects, and the fact that some stupid people may continue to say stupid stuff isn't a great reason to avoid a path to more open discussions about a subject that doesn't get talked about enough.
We're talking about a society wide change rather than fixing stupid people, and removing the stigma from mental health by acknowledging it and talking about it as a prevalent issue can really only help to bring more understanding. So I guess we're on a similar path here - talking about things openly gets rid of stigma - I just think there's an important path we need to take, and that is that everyone has some form of mental health issues, and we need to start dealing with those a lot more.
Redhavok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's a staple of comedy. If you say 'do a funny face' or a funny voice, you are imitating someone with some kind of disability. Any time you call someone crazy, blind, deaf, dumb, whatever. The best thing we can do is try to prevent people from having these issues in the first place.
keluvsorangesoda ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:45:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If people are afraid of people with mental health issues, doesn't that mean they too have a mental health issue?
svenson_26 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:50:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so.
People are afraid of the unknown. You don't always know how a mentally unstable person will react.
goldieluxe2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think they're wrong to be scared?
TakeOutTacos ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:55:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It definitely depends on the situation. Studies show that people suffering from mental illness or no more violent than the average person and are often more likely the victim of a violent crime.
https://www.mentalhealth.gov/basics/myths-facts/index.html
I have bipolar disorder and depending on the person and our relationship, I'll be happy to have a real conversation about how my mood affects me and the things I need to do in order to keep myself on track.
I'm not embarrassed or ashamed or anything. In fact, I'm really proud of myself for everything I've been able to accomplish in losing 100 pounds, going back to college, getting a great career, and living on my own for a year now.
I have however, experienced discrimination, or at least I think so as far as previous jobs. They would never admit it, but just comparing my attitude, attendence, work ethic, etc. I feel that a decision was made partly bc of my mental illness which has made me more concerned about opening up to people at my job now.
I would love to end these stigmas but people are close minded and hear the words and freak out. Idk. Hopefully things can change sooner than later
Edit: word missing about not being ashamed
Prettyinpnk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on what they do with that fear. A lot of times, people will try to throw it under the rug by saying, "They don't have a mental health issue! They're just weak!"
svenson_26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a lot of cases yes. But not always.
Slacker5001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:58:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most definitely not. Unless we start to get on some sort of deep philosophical/psychological level that refuses to acknowledge that we as a society have norms.
Since we as a society do have norms, we grow to have certain expectations. When someone breaks those expectations we may feel uncomfortable or even fearful of them. But it's possibly that we are perfectly and acceptably within those norms ourselves while having these fearful feelings of others.
In other words we can be perfectly healthy people and be afraid of those who are different from us, including the mentally ill.
Is that a postie or good mindset to have? No not really. But it appears to be natural on some level. Our realities are based in our experiences and so it's natural to be a little shaken by things that don't fit into that reality in the way we expect.
Keto_Kidney_Stoner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:36:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some celebrities are doing a great job of this. Maria Bamford is one, and her stories are part of the reason I finally went to get help.
It's just sad that we had to lose so many great people to things that could be treatable.
As soon as people start seeing mental health exactly the same as physical health, the stigma will start to go away. Taking wellbutrin should be treated like taking a tylenol.
zachary87921 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Letโs not get carried away.
nrtphotos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that will never happen unfortunately
lt_dan_zsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole stigma about mental health is almost gone as it is.
Grifft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without the stigma, people wouldn't seek help.
derpyderpkitten ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:21:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope more research can be done about the brain and its diseases/disorders so that we can better treat or even possibly cure those with these awful conditions (schizophrenia, alzheimer's, etc) so they can live as close to a normal life as possible. The brain is such an important organ that dictates, personality, thoughts, and only ALL the other organs in the body including lungs and heart.
Slacker5001 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took a neurology class focused around education and if I walked away realizing that if we're going to have any big breakthroughs in the next 10-50 years, it's going to be in brain medicine and science. We only recently have the tools to study the brains of living people. And they are only going to continue to get more accurate, effective, and cheaper.
Add in there the growth in computer science towards thing like neural networks and machine learning, and we can start to model and understand the brain from a different perspective. This will only aid in growing our understanding because we can study something similar to our brains and use it as comparison.
Throw in all the other fields that are fascinated with the brain like philosophy, psychology, sociology, and education who all want to take that abstract brain research and start to apply it or use it as a framework for applications and further research, and you get this big group of people all working crazy hard to study the brain from all sorts of different angles.
I think it's very possible in our lifetimes (for like people 40-50 and younger) to see huge advances in neuroscience.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:22 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Slacker5001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:30 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a non academic aspect, popular science media is your best bet. These are going to take that semi recent discoveries, decide what is important, notable, and exciting, and make it digestible for someone outside of the field. You can do this online through things like /r/science where users aggregate it and make it understandbale or you can go to things like Popular Science or Science. Just keep in mind that this opens it up to bias or misunderstanding on occasion. The more reputable the reporting sources and the closer it is to the original publication, the less likely your getting misinformation.
From an academic aspect I'm still figuring that out myself since I just started graduate school. It seems to be that you figure out from your colleges and peers what you need to be paying attention to journal, book, and publishing wise. And then you watch that, looking through what they have and deciding yourself what you think is relevant to your field and interests.
40000headmen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:49:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just scream-cried all the way from work to my physical therapist because despite expensive medicine every day, 90 minutes of exercise every day, talk therapy, ketamine infusions, healthy diet, plenty of (medicated) sleep, and a spouse who loves the hell out of me, I still feel miserable every day. Just not quite as suicidal as I used to be.
My brain is a disgusting chunk of malfunctioning meat :(
nodrinkypoos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you're depressed because you're spending so much on treatments for depression?
40000headmen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:13 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, that definitely doesn't help!
Lost_in_costco ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On that note, a better understanding and treatment for depression. A cure would be great, but I don't foresee that as a possibility for me.
DarthRoacho ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see people not romanticizing mental health issues like it's the fucking cool new thing to have. Mental health issues can be fucking horrific.
poofyogpoof ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:05:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rather a change to the core functionality of our society that's the cause of much of our modern problems in life. With the resources we have, we can truly enjoy being alive instead of stomping on others the way large parts of society currently does.
sadop222 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:48:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I perceive it as the greater problem that many mental health issues can not be treated ot improved well even if you throw money or "man power" at it.
the_queens_speech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've only scratched the surface
TheNorthernGeek ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:28:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man this one is my favorites. Before we can take care of the world, or travel to other places we have to take care of our people. Maybe the answers or solutions to space travel, nuclear power, oceanography or medical breakthroughs are trapped inside someone's mind who just needs a little help.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:33:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess: you're from the USA?
cainezedd ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:57:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mental health services in the uk are pretty terrible too. I was given an assessment by them, diagnosed and then never heard from them again. All they did was pass my info onto some useless charities and send me back to the gp for more drugs.
randomnamekitsune ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:09:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoted because it's true (not because I approve) that's what happened to me too. For 20 odd years. I'm sorry it's happened to you, it's not good enough. I hope you have a trusted family member or friend to talk to. If not, you can always pm me. I can't help, but I can listen.
cainezedd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a real shame and it's something I hear far too many people agreeing on.
Also, I'm doing pretty good but I appreciate the sentiment :)
wouldyoulikeabag ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:41:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canada, actually. It's not so bad here, although hard to get full/reasonable coverage for certain medications after the age of 21 (without full time work). I just wish it was an issue that was taken seriously across the globe, I suppose.
ignorado ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the US. Each psych visit costs $300. I was diagnosed with bipolar and voluntarily hospitalized for 2 days after a failed hanging last summer. They billed me $2,000. I was then involuntarily hospitalized for 5 days last October for depression/a drowning attempt and billed $5,000. I started treatment for my bulimia and found myself $1,500 in debt by the second week. They charged me $750 for blood work to check my B12 levels.
This is after insurance.
I give up.
:)
konichiwaaaaaa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Health care costs are so meaningless in the US they don't give you an itemized bill because in the end nobody is paying the made up price of services and supplies. Oh, and my university health insurance doesn't cover mental health. I wonder how many other people in the nation are not insured for mental...
ignorado ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, they give me the itemized bill. A syringe of saline solution for my contacts costed me $200 during an inpatient stay. And they said they'd vaccinate me for the flu for free but they charged $50 for the vaccination, and $150 for the nurse to "administrate" it. People think I'm lying/over exaggerating about this shit but I have the fucking bills???? Like bitch, this is America's healthcare system
konichiwaaaaaa ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People who think that have never been to the hospital. The official cost for my visit to the hospital where I got a surgery for a tibial fracture is so far higher than $100,000. It's fucking ridiculous. Even including a short helicopter ride to the nearest hospital. I've asked a friend from Europe. He tells me at most he would pay his deductible and 10 % copay up to $700. I have 20 % up to $7,000 (or $18,000 out of network). Go figure.
My girlfriend from abroad made a mistake she won't forget, which was to get travel insurance. A 4 hour visit to the E.R. (no ambulance ride) costed her $6,000 which was later reduced to $3,500-ish after trying to talk to the hospital. She is paying, fearing being detained at the airport whenever she comes back.
The US health care system is broken. We don't need better insurance. We need lower costs.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's crazy. My psychology appointments are $100 out of pocket, $25 after insurance. Is your $300 cost for a psychiatrist?
ignorado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup! Normally lasts around an hour. Insurance usually only covers $20 for these appointments. Dunno why
Huvv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fucking unbelievable, to charge so much. I hope you're doing better.
ignorado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
Slacker5001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it is true of a lot of countries, not even just the US and the UK. You have to include all the countries that refuse to even recognize mental illness as an illness (and not just something "broken" that makes you a lower class person) or something that is treatable. You also gotta acknowledge all the countries that might have great mental health services but no one is using them because of fear and stigmas. I believe this is the case in countries like South Korea but don't quote me on that.
Kytsuine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And non-stigmatized, too.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn sad to see this as a real answer.
karl-tanner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use reddit as my therapist. I gave up trying to find one (and I have good insurance).
Just write down your thoughts and post anonymously. Helps to get it out and you're actually "saying it to someone" because people actually respond. Once in a while someone actually says something useful.
jabanobotha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do medicare/medicaid not cover this?
derpyderpkitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if they do or not but even if they did, there's a shortage of beds for psychiatric care.
"The current shortage of psychiatric beds in the US is a major problem. Emergency departments (EDs) are crowded with acutely psychotic patientsโsome who wait for beds for up to a month. The pressure on existing beds is so intense that patients are discharged prematurely and often have to be readmitted or end up homeless or incarcerated. Nevertheless, many states continue to decrease the number of state hospital beds."
jabanobotha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then the solutions is to make more psychiatrists and psych hospitals.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about settling for mental health assistance for the President?
plebfromtheweb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I use this app called Sibly, which does exactly that. Psychologist in ur pocket 24/7 u talk to real people :)
Danklands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial mental health therapists will definitely exist, don't worry.
Crocodilewithatophat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the amount of human beings on the planet anod the amount who need therapy is the same number to accomplish this we would need to develop artificial intelligence that could act as a therapist and be able to be installed on universally every operating system
pumpkin_pod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that works and is not just a basic guinea pig trial with each patient
TranquilGorilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even need affordable, I just need someone.
Momik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just gotta say, glad this made the list. Thanks for posting.
zAndAllThatJazzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replacing the ACA is the bottomless hole out back
ShortchangeParamecia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accessible health assistance in general would be good.
CodexFive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This needs so many more up votes than it has, I've struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts for years. I finally told the person that hurt me and worsened my depression about how every day was a struggle. He ripped up the note in front of me and burst into tears and hugged me, his mom came in, read some of the pieces and told my mom that I needed therapy (but not why I did (she didn't tell me mom about the note) which I'm so appreciative of) I've been going to therapy for over a year now and it's helped somewhat but I've been wanting to quit ever since I overheard it costs my parents 100$ a month. I hate putting a burden on them.
Quackenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who had to stop the first hopeful treatment I've ever received because of insurance issues, yes, please.
Zbee- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish this could be the top answer instead of jokes and repeats.
anonimityorigin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so with you there. Mental health today is a major problem. My mom has a neighbor that has manic depression, paranoid schizophrenic, and bi polar. He's fixated on my mother and lives about 150 feet from her. He has bad episodes from time to time and has damaged her car and house. I'm truthfully at a crossroads in my life because I can't get him the proper help. I'm truthfully and honestly thinking killing him might be the answer and I really don't wanna kill him. I have researched and heard stories about how a person with mental health problems fixates on someone they eventually hurt when the problems get too bad. That victim is my mother. This has been on my mind hurting the soul of my being as a person for about a year now. I don't know what to do. All legal action has been taken to do the proper paperwork. That thin piece of paper won't stop a 35 year old guy from murdering my 54 year old mother that's his neighbor. They literally share a fence. I have my own life to deal with and this mother fucker needs to go.
the_queens_speech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't having mom move in with you less drastic than killing a man? If you're that worried, I would suggest getting her tf out of there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the option to choose to be put down for those of us who are now already too fucked in the head
Shrubnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just had to dish out 200$ for a therapy session that I couldn't make it to, so I'd really like to see free mental health assistance.
eamonnfitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:38 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Specifically my ex
wildbluyawnder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And to not be stereotyped for it with everyone thinking that you can't do anything because your brain is different.
Kimihro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure we could find it somewhere in our defense budget.
Splive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, human productivity and happiness would go through the roof if people who need help can get it...although we still have a long way to go anyway with medication and therapy to say we can really "Cure" things like depression and anxiety.
T-Rexauce ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come to the UK it's pretty good here.
Something-i-dunno ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:55:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't. It really isn't.
zsjt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:43:22 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately mental health services receive only a fraction of the funding in an extremely underfunded NHS. This means that services are having to provide more with less and less, and that staff are under increased amounts of pressure.
I love the NHS and will fight to keep it going and to improve it-- I think we're lucky to have access to free healthcare, but I agree that mental health provision is nowhere near good enough.
94358132568746582 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:49:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thatserver ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But rich people need more money:(
I_Am_TheGreyMan ยท 251 points ยท Posted at 13:10:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel.
Starfell ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:11:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
as long as it's pioneered by Matt Damon
Idumbbbz ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 02:41:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No because he almost killed Cooper and his crew
__DC ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!! I'd love to see this higher up
geekyspacegirl420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:48:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes sign me up!!!!
StrongmanSamson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:34 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you -1000 years old?
Fortune_Cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:39:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's possible. Just need to build a ship that can sustain 20 generations of humans. Since FTL travel is physically impossible. You have survive the full length of the trip
Alexander_TheAmateur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:40:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Physically impossible... So far. I actually hope we figure out a way to travel faster than light.
Fortune_Cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:32 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's impossible because weight increases proportionally to speed. So as you go FTL your weight increases insanely. It'd kill you
Our only hope is like wormholes
minor_bun_engine ยท 16579 points ยท Posted at 13:33:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Comcast
ObamasBoss ยท 3790 points ยท Posted at 15:11:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That will happen eventually. We will just be left with one even larger ISP. It will start demanding your first born.
Garfield-1-23-23 ยท 2489 points ยท Posted at 15:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to work at Comcast as a contractor programmer. One day my boss (who worked for my company, not Comcast) called me up and said we were going to go meet with people from Time Warner Cable about also writing some software for them. When my boss showed up in my cube I stood up and started to put on my coat, and he said "what the fuck are you doing?" We then took the elevator up four floors and met with TWC executives in their temporary offices ... in the Comcast Center.
So yeah, there will eventually be only one, but there's kind of only one already.
RhynoD ยท 1393 points ยท Posted at 16:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm reminded of the hearing to allow the merger between I think TWC and Comcast, and the CEO testifying that they didn't have to worry about a monopoly and a lack of competition because the two companies already agreed not to compete and divided up the country accordingly.
[deleted] ยท 1431 points ยท Posted at 16:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You don't have to worry about us forming a monopoly. Because we already did that."
KnucklearPhysicist ยท 507 points ยท Posted at 18:01:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"You guys, it's a cartel. TOOOTALLY different!"
Nathan_RS3 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 20:14:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
''Monopoly? No, we would never do that, it would impact our ongoing collusion''
I_Need_M0ney ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 18:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defendant: "IT'S BULLSHIT IS WHAT IT IS! My doctor said I'd never have kids!"
Mechanus_Incarnate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:02:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They prefer the term oligopoly. The prime examples of an oligopoly include drug cartels and isps.
KnucklearPhysicist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cartel, n., an association of manufacturers or suppliers with the purpose of maintaining prices at a high level and restricting competition."
I wasn't referring to the drug cartels specifically; same concept really.
jk021 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:16:22 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems legit
dangshnizzle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:38:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of pink slips arrived in the mail one for you one for me so I mailed them halfway to siberia?
Shinooby ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:38:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Infact, its called a duopoly. So its definitely not a monopoly."
Joetato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's technically an oligopoly, if I recall correctly.
sn4xchan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called an oligopoly.
Laockey35 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that didnt go through however the discussion was very real! charter bought TWC and now they are the largest cable provider/ISP in the US
[deleted] ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:29:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh I have had both charter and Comcast. I have had far less issues with Comcast than charter. However I did use to work for Comcast and know all the inner workings of who to talk to and get stuff done faster than your average joe. And how to get the best deals on prices as well. Tip go into the service center to solve issues less wait better people. And to sign up for services find a door to door rep they have the best prices on packages
Chris11246 ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry it won't be one company controlling the whole country. It will be two companies each controlling half and agreeing not to compete while being owned by the same people. Completely different.
Whitezombie65 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Demo-corp and Republic-inc
PoiLethe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only they would actually come to that conclusion.
mrizzerdly ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:38:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that not a cartel?
Eliot_Ferrer ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:48:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not not a cartel, if you get my drift.
RhynoD ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:51:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't give him any
moneyvery expensive dinners, golf clubs, champagne, jewelry, or other gifts that totally aren't bribes from lobbyists...Radiatin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:21:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having inspected the lobbyist gifts I conclude that this is not a cartel, final verdict.
obamaluvr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they should be utilities.
The problem is theyre not regulated as such.
sn4xchan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because the government keeps slipping in anti-nutrallity clauses every time Internet regulation laws get proposed.
captain_screwdriver ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? That's a fucking cartel. And highly highly illegal atleast in Finland where I live.
PersonalTriumph ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Finland"...
sn4xchan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt oligopolys are illegal in Finland.
Cell service wouldn't be possible with out them.
captain_screwdriver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dividing the market and agreeing to eliminate competition to raise prices is. It's defined in our law as a cartel. Some years ago three largest trash collection companies got hit with huge fines for that.
fistulatedcow ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:38:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's weirdly chilling.
RhynoD ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:41:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, competition won't get any worse...because it can't get worse than it already is.
RenaKunisaki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:28:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You ain't seen nothing yet.
RussianVampireSlayer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's called collusion and I somehow doubt he said that.
RhynoD ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 18:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was David Cohen, executive vice president of Comcast, not someone from TWC. But yes he literally said that.
RussianVampireSlayer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:57:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, I really don't know how he hasn't been charged with collusion for saying that.
RhynoD ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 20:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because antitrust laws require someone to enforce them, and that would be congress. And they 1) don't know how technology works and probably never notice or care what cable service they have, because they're congressmen and their service never doesn't work; and 2) ISP lobbyists give them lots of expensive gifts to make sure they stay happy enough that they don't bother looking closely at the situation.
Also, shit like this doesn't help...
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America, fuck yeah!
ContemplativeOctopus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry about ethical issues, we're already colluding.
TR_Ollington ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's technically true lol, the two companies never occupied the same territories and thus never directly compete with each other. But that only made the argument more asinine as we all know.
Though as bad as TWC customer service was, Charter is making far worse decisions behind the scenes than anyone at TWC ever tried.
Source: Former TWC Network Ops.
Kuro_Okami ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...Isn't...isn't that illegal under antitrust laws?
Garfield-1-23-23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, my story is from when they were trying to do the merger, before it was rejected. Nobody that I knew in either company really seemed to even care about the merger rejection. I'm not sure why they were bothering with it in the first place, unless it was the old marry-your-mistress-because-you're-tired-of-sneaking-around kind of thing.
darkbreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that's frightening.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They got the greatest idea for a name for the new company after the last James Bond movie came out
Leafblight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is it with USA and only having two of any given thing?
RhynoD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but we have like, eight hundred different options for soda. Unless you're in the south and then it's just Coke.
10poundcockslap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when is that legal?
bman12three4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Umm, what?
RhynoD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congress wanted to block the merger because it would reduce competition, which is bad for consumers because it means there's no incentive for the companies to keep prices down and provide good service. The Executive Vice President of Comcast argued that congress had nothing to worry about because there already was no competition, because the two companies already agreed to divide up territories in their service area and don't compete.
Basically: congress said "we're not sure this is a good idea, it might screw over your customers..." and Comcast responded, "No no, it's fine, they can't possibly get screwed over harder than they are now so there's no reason to stop us."
iamsooldithurts ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:16:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had both services. I didn't believe they were actually different companies for a while.
I couldn't name a specific difference besides the names. The offerings and quality of services and even pricing were almost identical.
Saxopwned ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:35:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just moved to Philly. Comcast Center is pretty neat in a touristy kinda way, but that place scares the living shit out of me for exactly this reason.
Garfield-1-23-23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can get yourself up to the cafeteria on the 43rd floor (not open the general public) on a Friday, they have the most unbelievable all-you-can-stuff-on-one-plate salad bar thing going for $6 (normally they weigh it and charge by the pound). They use it to get rid of uneaten food from the week (since they're not open at night or on the weekends) - one time they had a tray full of marinated, seared tuna steaks (I had three). Definitely the best grazing in Philly if you can get in. Also the best view in the city.
Positron311 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't Comcast merge with TWC recently, and this happened before the merging so that everyone would be on the same page ASAP?
cynicaluser- ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:16:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the deal didn't end up going through. I think instead they merged with Charter I believe although I can't remember the name .
AccioMotherfucker ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:22:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TWC merged with charter and brighthouse
Positron311 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah ok.
Thanks.
Garfield-1-23-23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The merger was rejected, but it was kind of assumed beforehand that it was a done deal.
jordanb91 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your boss sounds rude.
Gamerhead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
draxor_666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all should come to Canada if you think Comcast is bad.....lol
PlaidPCAK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast already licenses out their equipment to Cox Cable
CentrifugalChicken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:56:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read this in Lorenzo Music's voice.
Garfield-1-23-23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? I didn't use the word "lasagna" anywhere in my comment.
cave18 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused. What does a coat have to do with anything?
kvngrdnr ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:58:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He probably meant to put it on, expecting to leave the building and go outside.
Garfield-1-23-23 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:01:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. For some reason, I assumed the representatives of a different company would also be found in a different building.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ndolan0 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:11:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's the one that told the story, he was affirming the other guy's interpretation.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ndolan0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ ยฏ happens to the best of us
Gamerchris360 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is IT. 'Coat' never means sport coat. It always means outwear that keeps you warm.
Classyconman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean to defend Comcast because from a bystander this sounds crazy. But aren't the Comcast center and the TWC building like right across the street from each other in ATL? Wouldn't I make since for them to have offices to accommodate both parties at the buildings since they work so closely anyway. Seems like TWC employees in some capacity would always be at The Comcast center for one reason or another.
Garfield-1-23-23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast Center in Philadelphia is where I worked.
DopeboiFresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"what the fuck are you doing you dumb piece of human garbage fuck. You actually think you should grab your COAT you fucking fuck the nerve of some people. fuck you and your family." But no really why was he so angry. you were just grabbing your coat?
Garfield-1-23-23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In your world, do people really only use the word "fuck" when they're angry? I say "what the fuck are you doing?" ten times a day to co-workers, and I'm not angry - I'm just trying to figure out what the fuck they're doing.
DopeboiFresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:36:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With my friends yes. Not something I would expect from a higher position at a software company.
CriesOverEverything ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To add to this, Time Warner was absorbed by Spectrum who just happens to have the same bills, website structure, fees, products, and automated phone system as Comcast.
Barialdalaran ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:59:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want good internet, you must pay the iron price
dont-YOLO-ragequit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A T&T all over.
WeRequireCoffee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone demands the first born. The trick is to ask for the second born, no one requests that. Avoids the legal hassle of who claimed dibs first.
neverenderday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS. THANK YOU.
Everyone thinks everything's been chill since the Ma Bell break up.
It hasn't. SBC bought up all the baby bells starting in '04 and changed its name it AT&T. Comcast and Time Warner acquisition. The other major provider is Verizon.
There's literally 3 major telecom's controlling just about all of the US right now and buying up all the smaller ones. Soon they'll all merge under one huge monopoly again.
It's COMING.
saltynarwhal0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be Verizon and ATT or SoftBank (Sprint) at the end of the day. The endgame is to expand their bandwidth and widening their portfolio. Then they control their media and agenda at will. Cable is dying and streaming content is the key to growth. Plus Comcast nd charter can't sustain losing customers on the tv end for.long unless they leverage with broadband adds.
neverenderday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:03:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Also the acquisition of Directv a few years ago by AT&T, too. That was a sad day. They got their hands now to extend broadband for further rural communities via satellite in a market prominently dominated by Hughes and ViaSat.
Maker1357 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Next you'll be going on about grumpkins and giant spiders. Look, no one has claimed to have seen this large ISP in a thousand years and even if it does exist, how would it ever get past the wall?
imGnarly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because they know I'd give it.
ChildishTycoon_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds better than what I'm paying Comcast at the moment
pm_me_your_taintt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the year two thousaaaaand!
Arborgarbage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans will become wireless modems.
ruralgaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a blood sacrifice
threefragsleft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rumpelstiltskin Broadband - We help you spin up Reddit Gold and you give us your first born!
TheManiteee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super-Comcast?
PubliusPontifex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great.
I can choose to have more kids, I can't choose a different isp.
Yetsumari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd already sacrifice my first born for Google Fiber
KinglyWeevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it follows former models of monopoly break-ups, you'll end up with 5-11 regional mega carriers that will then gradually merge and buy up former comcast properties and companies, until you end up with only two major competitors that can't merge because then you're back to where you started. E.g., Verizon and AT&T.
mellowmonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goodbye Comcast, hello KableTownTM.
PM_PICS_OF_ME_NAKED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or we will have to wait until the heat death of the universe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can make more babies, no problem, I just want 1gbps fiber
mmmgluten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joke's on them. I'm sterile!
Kingofwhereigo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be called Time Warner Comcast featuring AT&T
Tomnnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll give them my every born if they throttling streaming websites
brando56894 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, these companies will never die because they own the infrastructure. Cable TV is on the decline, but they don't really care because they own the coaxial cable which provides both cable and internet, so even if you ax your cable package, you're still paying them for internet.
As we slowly move to optical fiber, they will probably be left in the dust of Google and Verizon since they're too cheap/lazy to lay the fiber and would rather just fight it through legal means (not allowing Google and municipalities access to the poles that they own). Verizon has actually made great strides recently, the just announced reasonably priced gigabit internet, which I of course had to scoop up considering it was only $20/month more than my current 150 Mbps. So now I have 486 channels from them (about 420 are bullshit, I use HDHomeRun via Kodi, and have narrowed it down to about 50 channels that have anything interesting on it. We have duplicates of pretty much every channel [one in SD and one in HD], and about a quarter of the channels are in triplicate for some reason [we have the national broadcast and then the east version for some unknown reason]), and gigabit internet for $160/month.
In comparison, my parents live at the other end of the state (we're in NJ) and have Comcast (Verizon stopped laying fiber about 2 miles from their house). They have something like 250-300 channels (both SD and HD), phone service, and 150 Mbps down and 25 Mbps up, constant TV drop outs to the point where some HD channels don't work at all and the internet is always slow as molasses and they're paying around $250 per month. It's either suck it up or go with Verizon DSL.
Jonatc87 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'internet is a fickle God and requires blood of offspring to feed the cyber hampsters.'
DayDrmBlvr82 ยท 339 points ยท Posted at 14:59:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be THE MOST earth shattering thing on this thread.
Subrotow ยท 275 points ยท Posted at 15:34:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you hate Comcast more than seeing diseases cured, fusion strive, and men on mars.
azzazelynn ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:41:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean have you tried speaking to their Customer Service?
Muchashca ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:47:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't blame their customer service reps, they're just people trying to make a living. Knowing that they're working for one of the worst companies on the planet, I pity them and try to make their job a little easier.
Comcast's leadership, though, those fuckers can burn in hell.
JaySleazzzy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:11:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they were qualified for the job and spoke English well enough to actually assist me, then yeah sure they get a pass. Last time I called Comcast the lady refused to transfer me to a tech 2 to remedy my issue until I started throwing tech jargon not on her quick reference card. Then I got a guy who spoke English very well and flashed my modem in 5 minutes. She can get some blame for how shitty the Comcast experience is.
azzazelynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's fair. I often forget that they have a script that they have to follow. Whoever designed and "perfected" those scripts is fucked up though.
flapanther33781 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DeusModus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:58:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast qualifies as a disease, so it counts.
PuddleZerg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human greed will kill us all. Comcast is just the start.
Paeter1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean those are the boring and obviously answers
Squally160 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, those feats would be baby steps compared to the slaying of Comcast.
klein432 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will not be surprised if this becomes the top answer.
Outypoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I forgot just how many people on Reddit are American, in the UK we get a variety of choices of which the majority have 100Mb+, just how bad is the speed of Comcast?
DayDrmBlvr82 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not the product. They have probably one of the best products but their customer service is flat out insulting and they lie! I'm just a little bitter if you can't tell.
stabby_joe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.
Murcia
MalletSpace ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:49:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strike them down and another will simply take their place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:12 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't necessarily true.
jjames2732 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:57:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you tell us why (non USA)
myburdentobear ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of the easy karma.
ViolatorMachine ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:10:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't live in the US but I constantly read so much crap about Comcast that I pity those who use their service.
However, even if you don't pay them for internet, aren't we all paying them for watching tv, movies and going to theme parks? Check: Companies own by Comcast
Gnash_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More reasons to wish for their fall
cizzop ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:31:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast owns the two tallest sky scrapers in Philadelphia. I hope to one day see rocket boosters attached to the bottom so we can just blast them into outer space never to be seen again unless you have a really good telescope.
normanbailer ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we send Comcast to Mars. Figure that out Elon.
unidan_was_right ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:37:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about sending them to the sun?
Orion1097 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:51:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard the sun is pretty hot this time of the year
fischarcher ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:19:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you go at night
minor_bun_engine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll charge you extra fees for different spectra of light rays.
PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, that will probably come when Comcast, the last cable company, and Verizon, the last mobile company, merge and pick some blandly pleasant name like "Sunrise Communications" to hide their complete control behind a veneer of marketing.
dont-YOLO-ragequit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nestle first please.
crnext ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
COMCAST
Not even once.
Sardalucky ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a cause I can fully support.
2059FF ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear Xfinity is going to put them out of business. /s
willywalloo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:45:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Start supporting municiple ISPs!
Folknasty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here for this. Time Warner can go away too.
cav3dw3ll3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need something to replace them. Only having1 ispbis a recipe for disaster.
cartesiancategory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao unrelated but I like the Benny Lava reference in your username
minor_bun_engine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ayy. it always gets one person
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to upgrade your subscription to say that.
cyborg2014 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:28:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google fiber anyone
rand0m_task ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:39:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My city just installed its own fiber network. Has been great not having to deal with Comcast.
cyborg2014 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea if they can support where I live because fiber is in 2 cities that are close to me.
YoloSwaggins44 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Comcast. Just raised our bill $40 a month for absolutely no reason
mmm_burrito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm currently making my way through a book that sets out a plan for the destruction of Comcast. It's couched in a weird narrative, but I'm almost finished. It's written by a guy named Stephen King. He must really hate Comcast, though, because he only ever calls it "It". Won't even name the company. It's definitely about Comcast, though.
Panromir ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You meant North Central Positronics, I'm sure
pedantic_asshole_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Repeal and replace though...I still want internet.
devilsephiroth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bought out by KFC during the merger with KFC
Defttone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that happens in the next year. And i hope its because of net neutrallity not passing so that its extremely ironic.
But for now I just hope net neutrality isnt fucked.
AstroxyBO3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
can someone tell me why many people hate comcast?
paxgarmana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ah
an optimist
i like it
thebluepool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're the largest and most powerful telecom company in the world.
TR_Ollington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But mag innovation! s/
d_man05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got a mailer last week informing of how great of a deal I would get if I joined Xfinity Mobile. I promptly tossed it in the garbage.
UrbanGeographer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here in Denver you either get Comcast or CenturyLink. The past two apartments I've lived in have had the wiring in the buildings physically configured to not allow CenturyLink services so you're forced to get Comcast. Seems like it should be illegal if you ask me.
massassi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh apparently Comcast and Capcom are different things. TIL
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like saying you want the second comin of fuckin Jesus Christ bruh
Sirus13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Mediacom!
mullownium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd settle for Comcast just improving to the point where they're a regular company, instead of the customer-abusing shithole they are today.
minor_bun_engine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism says no
Abuse is an inherent emergent property of private monopolies, especially when that commodity becomes a necessity.
especially when you start championing against altruism and with the idea that greedisgood
Patiiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When spaceX takes over the telecommunication industry by sending out thousands of internet satellites, Comcast, att and Verizon will all end.
G2geo94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've very proudly brought you to 10k points
minor_bun_engine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did not realize that. Thank you
Dulana57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast is worse than cancer
Booster93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats on us everyday people. stop paying for it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:12 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't have an alternative.
grilled_cheese1865 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you know thatll put thousands out of work right
minor_bun_engine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good. work for new companies
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:36 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad companies should exist to maintain jobs??
rben69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One can only dream... There is no company that I despise more. Sprint being a close second...
RefreshRedditAllDay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the end of United Airlines.
ChickenWithATopHat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How bad is their wifi? I just moved to a house in a new neighborhood and the only cable/wifi company available is Comcast. Is it slow or unreliable? Or both?
SueZbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, those that actually profit from Comcast will have already created another corporation to ensure that their corporate culture continues -- just without the same name and any liability of Comcast for their shitty treatment of consumers. Because it will be a shell corporation, it will take a while for people to get wise again.
joewilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breh have you tried xfinity. Lolz.
popfilms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My friends and I refer to the new Comcast building here in Philly as the Eye of Suruon.
jk021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:04 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast is basically HYDRA. Cut off one head, two shall grow in it's place.
minor_bun_engine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:41:49 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That actually makes it better. I'd rather have a fragmented multi-opoly than one monopoly. At least then they'll compete
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pay 80 bucks a month for Comcast. I don't think it's bad.
violetnap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They will raise your price. Just wait.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope not, but I could see it happening.
racc8290 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll never really die as long as the same folks running into the ground manage to find a high position in Telecommunications elsewhere
cuddlefucker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need what ever brings down comcast to bring down charter as well.
77ate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Comcast.
minor_bun_engine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A public option would be like chemotherapy. A lot of hell and chaos would happen initially, and the big 4 monopolies would perish and bring people down in the process. But it would be a cure
_Giddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm curious, what has Comcast done that makes them so hated?
Laockey35 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tough customer service, locking up municipalities to be the only (viable) option for cable (they get around this because DSL is still an option in all areas same with dish internet. but both are essentially unusable but there is still technically competition). pretty much the same reason you hate your electric, gas, water companies. they are the only option and nothing forces them to keep prices low. so they can charge whatever they want.
phoztech ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in the next several years Verizon and AT&T wireless will be releasing their new 5th generation LTE ... it will compete with the wireline speeds and offer an opportunity for real competition.
issius ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look, humans aren't magic. chill out
ZiggidyZ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont love comcast, but 150 meg internet for $90 a month where the ONLY other option is 3 met DSL when it works for $60 a month, I will stay with the axis of evil, thanks.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:48 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a reason we hate them, because there are no other viable options.
ZiggidyZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:32 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a shitty reason to hate THEM. had we purchased our house 1 block in 2 directions, or 3 blocks in the other 2 directions, we could have gotten fiber via another carrier. LITERALLY a blackhole for the other carrier in the middle of town. Not the fault of Comcast that the other carrier chose not to invest in infrastructure for a terminal serving a all part of town.
Look at it this way, Comcast could have made the SAME choice, and I would be up shit creek without a paddle.
Unfortunately the discovery was made AFTER the move. The competitor website said their good service was available, but database error pulled wrong address. Found out only after tech came for install.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:40:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell no I love Comcast
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we get rid of net neutrality and make it easier for someone to compete then that will happen!
JDogGHouse ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
big if true
LillyTheEnderdragon ยท 14568 points ยท Posted at 11:46:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans being able to sustain themselves and every other living thing on the planet.
[deleted] ยท 21638 points ยท Posted at 14:02:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Captain_Priceless ยท 4250 points ยท Posted at 14:11:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best part about the cold is all mosquitoes dying and burning in hell
Xxx_ItchyFish_xxX ยท 3105 points ยท Posted at 14:24:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not in Alaska! Those things are fricken awful! Anti freeze in their blood so they don't die in the cold and when the spring comes around there are 2 GENERATIONS of mosquitos...
blubat26 ยท 2573 points ยท Posted at 14:33:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, I guess we know where we're "testing" our next nuke.
arealcheesecake ยท 793 points ยท Posted at 14:36:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Australia?
iksi99 ยท 2071 points ยท Posted at 14:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want the giant spiders to get even bigger from all the radiation?
Ijustwantpornpls ยท 2011 points ยท Posted at 14:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fallout: new 'straya
[deleted] ยท 1034 points ยท Posted at 14:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So just current time Australia, then? Have you never seen the documentary Mad Max?
i_broke_wahoos_leg ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 18:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Witness me, ya cunt.
JammeyBee- ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 15:23:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bridos ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:43:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the kiwi translation Mid Mix
ameya2693 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhh boy, that's the perfect representation of an Aussie accent.
JammeyBee- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:50:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stole it from Yahtzee's zero punctuation review.
ameya2693 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Noice
oAkimboTimbo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Med-X
Wherearemylegs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:06:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUILD THE WALL!!!
-fno-stack-protector ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:00:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
เฒ _เฒ
taitaofgallala ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:54:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More of a docu-drama series. In the second installment, Lord Humungus was wrongly portrayed as wearing the same steel panties for days.
irmajerk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:38:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That doco is fake as fuck. No spiders in it anywhere, fucking liars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They subcontracted that job off to a different company, which took all the spiders and made 8 Legged Freaks.
Blipnoodle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a real shame what happened to the natural habitat of the Drop bear :( they really should have focused more on this
methanococcus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:35:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I would love an Australia based Fallout game.
ameya2693 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:48:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could just go there. It's basically a fallout game already and you get 60fps and perma death. It's like real life.
I_Need_M0ney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/outside says it's the best part of the game. โ โ โ โ โ *
*Disclaimer I do not speak for r/outside
ameya2693 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:03:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the FFA on the Australian server is the only reason to go to the zone unless you're levelling up your surfing skill, in which case, it's a mandatory part of your quest line.
lebookfairy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:13:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be the programmer you wish to see in the world.
;)
adavidz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That game would be made illegal in VR for causing PTSD.
pxndx161 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd play the fuck out of that
Blueswatbro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:46:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, holy shit, just yes.
Mako_Eyes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all seriousness tho, if Bethesda made a Fallout game based in Australia, I'd play the shit outta that shit.
SauceMemer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fallout game set in Australia actually sounds pretty hardcore. I want it.
Randomn355 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of fallout is that.
Where do you think death claws came from?
cfdavison ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death claws = drop bears
Ijustwantpornpls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death drop bears?
cfdavison ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there any other kind?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Fallout game in another country could be cool. Would be nice to see what happened to other countries.
DonarArminSkyrari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'd play that.
Krowki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Id play
ugfiol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds awesome and terrifying.
Number1452isnotahoax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'D PAY MONEY FOR THIS TO BE MADE
DrBoon_forgot_his_pw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's basically Mad Max.
Cedira ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:48:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sie sind das Essen und Wir sind die Jaeger!
crashdoc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, yeah, nah mate, spoiders 'ere don't speak German
...at least not til you get a few drinks in em
Watashi_o_seiko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are the food and we are the hunters
crashdoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/x91oF8b6k6w
alexstark1008 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sasageyooooo!
TinyFoxFairyGirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want the mosquitoes to get bigger instead!?!
iksi99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a mosquito gets 3 times bigger it is still small enough to kill easily. If a giant spider gets 3 times bigger it gets easier for it to kill me. No, thank you.
Folvos_Arylide ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckin' come at us mate, might finally give us a challenge.
A_R_Spiders ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll bring emus.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: spiders can only become so big because they don't have a respiratory system. They basically just have a bunch of holes all over their body that absorb oxygen, and that system doesn't work once they reach a certain size.
Devonmoyer1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What youre saying is we need turbocharged spiders
make_love_to_potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck, imagine a kaiju sized spider from Australia, who's aura would cause paralysis and your skin to melt off.
spabs1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we weaponize them? Drop a crew served weapon on their back with a harness and we have an all terrain scout vehicle.
mediocrity_defined ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy, just toss in giant centipedes and they'll kill the spiders
Shrekquille_Oneal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:48:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine the fallout game that could be set in Australia though...
Boozlebob ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:10:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would pay big dollarydoos for this. Instead of nuka cola caps there's VB caps.
Minas-Harad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there are still a few aboriginals we didn't irradiate the last time around
4DimensionalToilet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meta (that post a few days ago about that one guy who saw a mushroom cloud and thought it was the gods)
moon_potato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hi there, Aum Shinrikyo.
---wavy--- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Central Europe doesn't need to be blown up, man
All_Bonered_UP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf mate?
mirkku19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure to launch the nuke upside down
Insomniacrobat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
California?
SuperWoody64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I am le tired
Poeticyst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea actually.
OhBestThing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just read a Aussie news article about sea lice attacking and eating a kid's legs in the fucking ocean, which then linked to a half dozen other crazy "AUS will kill you" stories, like this giant kangaroo that truck-sticked a chick running and mauled her a bit. Maybe the rumors about AUS were true....
youwontevenbelieve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They already did that in our desert.
Pollomonteros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how you get the Junkers blowing stuff in your country.
EnderCreeper121 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M E T A
arealcheesecake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whats meta about it? and im saying this as the op
EnderCreeper121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a TIL about an aboriginal man in Australia who saw a nuke test with no context, he thought it was the spirit of a God and that it was giving them food in the form of radioactive kangaroos that were killed.
und88 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:48:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want giant mutant anti-freeze-blood mosquitos? Because that's how you get giant mutant anti-freeze-blood mosquitos.
Clockwork_Octopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it helps, we've also got anti-feeeze frogs.
ReadinStuff2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great. Mutant mosquitos.
Minaro_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry Alaska
DrLeprechaun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Radioactively enhanced mosquitoes? Are you insane?!
goblett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just ask north korea to do it for us
whereisthenutella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't want rad mosquitoes to add into that list!
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you crazy? We're not going to irradiate our precious oil fields!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea will take care of that for us.
not_anonymouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think the first region of US the North Korean missile could reach was Alaska?
PTech_J ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen movies about nuclear tests, I don't want that anywhere near a mosquito.
Omni314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you want radiation immune mosquitos as well?!
MakeLoveNotWarPls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want bloodbugs? Because that's how you get bloodbugs.
And Cazadores and stingwings
EmptyBarrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't that be the worst? Mutated mosquitoes will mutate genes and possibly create a super mosquito.
rageak49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please no. You'll just make them mutate bigger than they already are up here. We joke that our mosquitos are the state bird in AK, do you really want that in reality???
Fishydeals ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamnit they already conquered the cold, they will use the fallout to their advantage.
doittuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great...then we'll get super mosquitos!
TinyBurbz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want Bloodbugs? Thats how you get Bloodbugs.
clearedmycookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they can mutate even more?
stw95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because radioactive, potentially mutant mosquitos with antifreeze blood is better than regular mosquitos with antifreeze blood?
ShortRound89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I finally understand why they nuked Finland in that South park episode.
the_Synapps ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:12:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And THEY'RE GIANT. I'm pretty sure I've seen smaller birds.
probablyhrenrai ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:09:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought I was being trolled; nope, they're like 5 times bigger than the ordinary Satan spawn.
Is there any benefit to the bigger size? Easier to smack, less maneuverable, maybe? Or is it all horrible?
Infinite901 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:15:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure about the size, but I know they need a longer proboscis since animals have thicker skin there.
explosivcorn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:58:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you kidding me? There really isn't a god.
commoncoitusy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:15:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys have too much water. Come to Colorado. There's only like 30 in the entire state.
Not_So_Average_DrJoe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:47:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop. Telling. People. To. Move. To. My. State.
commoncoitusy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol they come anyway. I live here too.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Met a guy yesterday. We're both former Colorado natives, now both living somewhere else I won't broadcast.
We both completely share your sentiment.
strangea ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:37:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the size of a bumblebee.
yngradthegiant ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those things are goddamn gigantic too. You have to walk around in a beekeepers outfit in some places if you don't want to catch something nasty.
MiddyMcPinnerson ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:54:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jesus christ. i didn't think one single reddit comment would crush my dreams of living in alaska someday
SoonerfanZero8 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that bad. Just live somewhere in south central Alaska. (Anchorage and Kenai Peninsula)
Source: lived in Soldotna for 5 years
alayne_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:52:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god.
fearmypoot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:45:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop I want to sleep tonight!
Wee2mo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Protip: they get the antifreeze blood from Alaskans.
Addithium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully they don't bread with the ones who carry the diseases
Dunderost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Sweden and I dont believe you, I know for a fact that those fuckers die off during fall and winter.
foil-time ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are soon to be replacing the Alaska state bird, those things are huge!
kinglallak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I planned to flee to Alaska during the nuclear holocaust... after reading that, I will take my chances with the nuke.
AlexaBlissBooty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know where you are but I'm in Alaska too and those fuckers are no where to be found in winter time. Thank god.
MightyMackinac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a reason they call them our state bird. They come out of the ground in swarms and are almost bigger than the hummingbirds we get up here in the spring.
thehenkan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Northern Sweden is also completely overrun by mosquitoes. I think it's the long summer days. Does Alaska also have a lot of lakes?
AlphaNerd80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alberta reporting in, we know EXACTLY what you're talking about. A bit further north in the less populated part of the province, those suckers are big enough to fly off with babies and small dogs...
Custodious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres also siberian mosquitos
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's also those tiny flying gnat like bugs that are like flying fleas. I've heard them referred to as No See Ems.
Unglossed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?!?!?! You have mozzies in Alaska, in the cold?
Ranklaykeny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Alaska has a serious mosquito issue.
Source: I work in mosquito control
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, Siberia is the same, probably the main reason both places are still mostly unpopulated.
last_warning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what are you serious? That's terrifying.
Slaisa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
excuse me! mosquitos with anti freeze in their blood!!! is that why ive been seeing mosquitos in the bitter winters of nepal?
Oh_itbDio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No shit, when I was in Alaska, those mosquitos bit me through my sweater. I've never seen anything like it.
johnnytaquitos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
have you tried bullets?
kyrsjo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only radar guided AAA is enough
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that's where the antifreeze goes when we pour it out in the storm drains?
fifibuci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've lived in areas where spring frosts would kill off the first spawns, so that they didn't really become numerous until later in the summer.
DarkenedSonata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super mosquitos!
BlackJediSword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, W H A T?
scribbling_des ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same in Louisiana, except that is just doesn't get/stay cold enough to kill the little fuckers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I forgot about this fact. I watched a documentary on it, and holy shit, you're not kidding. There's like, over9000000000 of them everywhere. They are scary dudes.
darthalucard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wut
pls no
AlaskaTuner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. The 747 Jumbo Mosquito.
Massive, slow and dumb in spring.
Ninjasquito after July...
dirtydingus802 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll save Australia. Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo. We'll build an All American amusement park there.They got surfin', too.
BiomedicalAK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The big lumbering ones aren't the problem, it's those little bastards that tear you up. Them and the no-see-ums.
SquidCap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big whoop, they don't carry malaria.. And of course, the mandatory "the ones in Lapland are the size of a horse".. And those are the easy ones, Mรคkรคrรคinen is the real pain in the neck, they can crawl under clothes and bite small pieces off to get to the juices.. You get used to our guys in one summer. The next summer it is same thing all over again, get immunity by getting bit.
ZiggoCiP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant Thread
Wyvernwalker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its basically the state bird. PRAISE THE DRAGONFLIES
brayfurrywalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Note to self: dont move to alaska
agumonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet, a new fibonacci function
wojar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are there cockroaches in Alaska?
ClumsyWendigo ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 14:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
one side effect of global warming is about mosquito's geographical ranges and length of seasonal activity...
mramisuzuki ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, evaporation kills their habitat.
FurryFredChunks ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WARM THE PLANET!
eltomato159 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:35:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Along with global warming there's more water, not less. Sea levels are rising due to the polar ice caps melting
mramisuzuki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Salt water mosquitos?
eltomato159 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:46:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rising sea levels doesn't just mean more ocean, more swampland is created too because of rain, that's how swamps and lakes get there in the first place, they didn't just pop up out of the ground
fishsticks77 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:55:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So the Great Lakes are all rain fall?? ; )
IdiotManChild ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:02:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Originally, yeah.
fishsticks77 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glaciers
ClumsyWendigo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:50:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you're trolling good effort
but that's complete bullshit for those of you out there who might believe this
mramisuzuki ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if there is no water, everyone dies.
IdiotManChild ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evaporation doesn't remove water, it just allows it to move somewhere else.
surfer_ryan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So all we have to do is get rid of all the water on the surface!
stevrock ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:22:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live where we usually see a few weeks of -35 in the winter, and mosquitos always comes back in the spring/summer
SusanTheBattleDoge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New York? Cause same happens here.
stevrock ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edmonton, Alberta
penguin725 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assume you aren't talking about the city, -35 is also pretty intense through most of the state
SusanTheBattleDoge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deep upstate Adirondacks. It's not super common to get that low, but it definitely goes into the negatives. Or at least it used to.
TuxedoJesus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but then you have to deal with the White Walkers
HahaUrGay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasps may also burn in hell
kaeroku ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the main reason why I reside in the snow belt, near a large body of water. My cohabiting partner hates it (and to be fair, with how she looks in summer clothes, I empathize,) but I moved here 10 years ago and have very little interest in living somewhere that doesn't allow me to hibernate while all the pests die for 5 months out of every year.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ununfunny1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good thing then "WINTER HAS COME"!
southerstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in the desert and theres no mosquitos here! Ive seen 1 in the year ive been here and that was after a "heavy" rain.
elfslistentodubstep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But hell is hot so the devil is really annoyed by them
manofredgables ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how it works, but cold places seem to have even more mosquitoes than hotbjumid places. Except for in the winter obviously. Then it's just dark and quiet and the actual air tries to kill you instead.
Healter-Skelter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fingers crossed for a nuclear winter
dangerstar19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best part about the cold is all mosquitoes dying and burning in
hellFlorida. FTFY.[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Captain_Priceless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sucking is literally the thing they're best at, and that's why they suck
RecklessTRexDriver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that in turn frees us from the gods of assholery known as wasps. Glorious!
sumogypsyfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget wasps too.
Fearlessleader85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, in Hawaii, there is no cold to kill off the mosquitoes, which sucks. But before contact with the West, there were NO mosquitoes.
Europeans really did fuck Hawai'i up.
1norcal415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, calm down there Samuel L Jackson.
HactarCE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... in the cold
[deleted] ยท 301 points ยท Posted at 14:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and ticks. fuck those too.
ppadge ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:24:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was just recently diagnosed with Lyme, so yeah, fuck ticks.
SquidCap ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate change pushed ticks infected with Lyme to my neck of the woods too and it's been really hard to avoid ticks lately. Really sorry you caught it, this just makes me continue wrapping myself 100% before going to bushes. You can't get shit done as it is soo hot but i rather do half the pace than risk it. They used to be a non-issue but i'm kind of guessing this is just the start and we get infected mosquitoes too..
Yeah, fuck ticks.
mattk1017 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:29:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched a video on YouTube of someone injecting hydrogen peroxide in a tick (it basically explodes the tick). There were people in the comments section shouting animal abuse and were generally sympathetic towards the tick.
Here is the video
noydbshield ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know I hate ticks as much as the next guy, but that was fucking disgusting. Not cruel or anything. Just really nasty.
DoublerZ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:45:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, they're way worse
EDIT: I meant for me, not worldwide or something. In most countries, mosquitoes are not really DANGEROUS in any way.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:03:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I beg to differ. Despite mowing lawns all summer I have only found one tick on me. I always shower after and check myself for ticks though. They only really get lodged in your skin after about 4 hours.
Throughout my summer I've had so many mosquito bites that drive me clinically insane! Just my opinion and like my asshole Im sure it stinks to some people even though it smells good to me.
Savage9645 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even close, mosquitoes literally kill MILLIONS of people every single year. Ticks are annoying but as long as you pull them off within 48 hours you'll be fine. I mean I hate ticks too, I've had one on my dick before but they don't spread malaria.
desGrieux ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Mosquitoes (really the diseases they carry obviously) have killed more human beings than literally anything else.
I live deep in "tick country." Picking them off is a daily chore, I get probably 4 or 5 a day, but once in awhile as many as 30 (depending on where I'm walking). I prefer them a million times over mosquitoes. They don't carry diseases (at least in my area), the bites are less itchy, and you can often find them before they actually bite you if you just check yourself every time you go to the bathroom. And it's easy to control the population: chickens and guinea fowl eat all the ticks nearest my house, so if you stay close to where those animals like to be, you can pretty much avoid them entirely.
Meanwhile, the mosquitoes we have are invasive and being out at dusk is difficult to handle. We've spent hundreds of hours building nests and homes for bats, purple martins, and swallows to control the population. We've stocked our ponds with mosquito larvae eating species. It's had an impact, but there is still no way to escape them.
SquidCap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:08:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep an eye on the borealis disease spread charts every year, ticks are just a nuisance until they are infected and then you really do not want to find a single one.. Both my parents home and the small farm we got are both in "tick country" and ever since borealis spread here, there is not even a chance of me going to bushes without fully clothed, rubberbands and duct tape on sleeves and tick check done by someone else than you... Average: 1 tick per day found, haven't been bitten (yet).. And go to doctor whenever you find expanding red ring the next day surrounding a bite mark; the disease can be quite easily be treated if it is treated soon, the disease stays around the bite for quite a long time but once it is advancing, it will not stop on it's own.
desGrieux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still no reported cases anywhere near where I live and my county and all neighboring counties are still listed as "no risk". But I'll definitely be checking this again in the future.
SquidCap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We got the edge two years ago, now we are fully on the "zone". I live on the coast in Finland and the islands use to carry them but they haven't changed. It's spreading from the south here as the climate changes and coastal areas are hit first.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:09:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why
PurplePickel ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:12:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're actually being serious, a mosquito just bites you then flies off. A tick however literally buries its head into your flesh and you usually don't notice until it's body has swollen up to the size of a pea. You can't panic and rip it off, because this usually leaves part of the head lodged in your flesh which can lead to potentially poisoning you. You have to leave it there as it feeds on you until someone can properly remove it from you, if you aren't sure how to remove them yourself. Unless of course you're a smoker, then you'll usually have a lighter around and can just burn the fucker off.
So yes, while mosquitos are a nuisance, I'd agree that ticks are substantially worse.
Ridry ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:27:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In America 100% this. Worldwide mosquitoes death count puts ticks to shame. As a Northeasterner I'm terrified of ticks and have had Lyme. My kids playing outside gives me an anxiety disorder.
Engvar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've had Lyme, and my grandfather was in a coma and permanently disabled from it.
They can also make you allergic to red meat. Killing me is one thing, taking away steak is a whole new level of hell.
Ridry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know one person who got the meat thing. It's crazy!
mainlyalurker ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:26:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DO NOT BURN THEM OFF! Use tweezers and pull as close to the head as possible perpendicular to your skin or use a "tick key" device. Burning them can cause them to throw up whatever is in their gut and increase chance of disease transmission.
cordell507 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hot
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was being serious.
Savage9645 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:11:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mosquitoes literally kill MILLIONS of people every single year.
CookieOmNomster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And fleas
The_J485 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:40:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't mind if I do ;)
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:17:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also wasps aka demons with wings
Sebetter ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:23:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does that make hornets/yellow jackets? Beelzebub in insect form?
Etrm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching a sprayed wasp die, I'm pretty sure I have the same expression on my face Arya had watching Walder Frey die.
crischispas ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:21:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And cockroaches. Nobody will miss em.
NiggaFromCompton ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that guy who cums on his wall
bpstyles ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:39:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I didn't know what you meant. It's fucking sad that I can read your post and instantly know what you mean.
namn1985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what? link?
bpstyles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/6jhf15/tifu_by_ejaculating_in_my_bed/
And to get that link, my search was for 'reddit cockroaches cum'
Lovely.
namn1985 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:54:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omg. Your search history rip
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fap fap fap. Yes I am curious too.
bpstyles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/6jhf15/tifu_by_ejaculating_in_my_bed/
GhostTiger ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:16:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could make zoos just for fleas and mosquitoes!
duckmaster09 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:22:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey mom, could we go visit the mosquito and flea zoo? Please please please!
Shisa4123 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:35:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a petting zoo.
SteveFoerster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Done: https://naturalhistory.si.edu/education/exhibitions/insectzoo.html
grapesdown ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:23:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're an endangered species damnit!!!
FrozenMarshmallow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! They are very delicate and precious creatures that must be protected.
grapesdown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pudge controls the weather.
Lord_Of_the_Strings ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP /u/fourtE2
shadowscar00 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:13:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But without mosquitos, we risk endangering all kinds of birds and bats!
JonBanes ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:19:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what I understand, you could get rid of the mosquitoes that bite humans with minimum impact to the rest of the ecosystem. It's a relatively small subset of species.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PurplePickel ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'd be happy to take the risk! Mother nature can take another one for the team if it means we no longer have to put up with mosquitos. Especially in countries where malaria is a problem.
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:20:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surprisingly false, a study showed the effect would be negligible if I'm remembering correctly
throughthekeyhole ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:24:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are, though I won't bother to find it. I know because I tell my wife about it every time one of those bloodsuckers gets me.
But - I would also point out that we (humans in general) have a history of mismanaging things we don't understand completely. I'm all for getting rid of all the mosquitos but we'll want to make sure we don't do it all at once just in case they're secretly responsible for keeping the world turning.
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:35:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the plan they're working on is releasing a ton of infertile mosquitos into the wild during a season, causing a drop in population the following the yes and then repeating the process. Hopefully if something goes haywire they'd notice it during the course of the multi year extermination
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this true?
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
here is a short write-up on the first instance of modifying mosquitoes to produce only male offspring, which led to this team driving genes that sterilize the next offspring of female mosquitoes of a certain, malaria carrying species
BeetledPickroot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would really like to see this study. People often say this but I find it incredibly unlikely.
MyOtherDogsMyWife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll try to find it again and edit this if I do.
edit:: Here is the best link I could quickly find, I'll look again later when I have more time and try to find a true scientific study. The sources to that article are worth looking into though.
anders_dot_exe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:17:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck them too
/s
undercooked_lasagna ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no! Then who would shit on my head at the park or give me rabies??
shadowscar00 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:29:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll do it! For a price...
Dexty32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how much we talkin about?
shadowscar00 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:36:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About $300 a month, assuming I dump on your head once a week.
Dexty32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ill take it.
shadowscar00 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:43:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aight I'll send you my paypal and we can arrange poopin dates at a later time.
Dexty32 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
is rabies included in that price or is that a separate purchase?
shadowscar00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rabies is a one-time purchase that you can choose to make at any time for an extra $100 dollars.
I can do payment plans.
Dexty32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow! such cheap prices!
i faxed you the money.
SteveFoerster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The free market... it's a beautiful thing.
mgarde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like a fair trade.
Paradoxes12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
huh how?
shadowscar00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:23:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats what they eat, my man. Mosquitos are very populous and theres certain species im certain regions that would drop drastically in numbers due to lack of food. Down in Austin, TX, theres thousands of bats that wake up every night to feast on mainly mosquitos. If those mosquitos disappeared, so would the bats. They'd starve to death.
Paradoxes12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh ok I didn't realize they were a food source
renabunny ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
agreed, and gnats.
bliper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wasps, don't forget wasps. fuckin wankers.
6chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Bed bugs.
They serve no purpose except to be a bane to sleep everywhere.
ludolfina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I have legit PTSD after having an episode with bed bugs, like it really fucked with my head. Fuck bed bugs
6chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can relate. I had an episode with those fuckers and for the longest time after that the tiniest feeling of anything crawling on me would send me into a "Search and Destroy" mode.
I was on forums looking for solutions and one of the stickied threads was one dissuading people from suicide. And it was serious.
Bed bugs need to die.
ludolfina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really sorry you had to go through this.
6chan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate those words. You have my empathy for your episode with the bugs.
shildot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. There was a /r/Writingprompts awhile back asking no mosquitoes being bad. I submitted a short about how they were the only thing holding back humanity eradicating aliens. So, potentially, lots of mosquitoes=no aliens so there's that
BrickGun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually only the females that bite. So, fuck those bitches.
BioEnthusiast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mosquitos are an essential part of many ecosystems. Only a small number of mosquito species actually interact with humans. Though the few that do interact with humans are very irritating, we shouldn't judge a species by its extremes. :D
starlinguk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:47:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're bird food.
CorporateTwerker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And jellyfish, fuckers are the mosquitos of the sea
HAC522 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd argue ro say they are more like the hornets of the sea
fidgeter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mosquitos are an endangered species. Earth is their sanctuary and we are only protected because we are their primary choice of food.
dl064 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And folk who can't afford whatever the miracle happens to be.
CreativeAnorexic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yellow jackets. They're assholes
GM_Piasecki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And wasps, they can go too
Asimt_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mosquitos and wasps. Wasps are evil. Fuck them more.
ringoftruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but they are not dangerous...or at least they don't kill millions of people every year like mosquitoes. I can think of other things that can go like those ticks that make you blind.
PinataZack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And wasps!
GorillaJuiceOfficial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And cockroaches
BBQ_HaX0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need more bats.
Wafflespro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and wasps too
HotDamn18V ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof that there is no god.
delta9smoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iceland is the only country without mosquitoes.
alayne_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we could genetically modify (or something) mosquitoes to make no sound and to make their bites not itchy I'd already be happy. And of course to kill all mosquitoes who make a sound so they will become extinct.
ringoftruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
? sound. I can live with the sound, it's killing more people than anything else I have issues with.
MosquitoTerminator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's where I come.
CODESIGN2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And fleas, ticks, any lice... Oh and every type of parasitic worm... Oh and anything that can hurt people.
geekchicfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And roaches
BuschWookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And McCree. Fuck that guy
Shockkota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and fleas
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just need one to lay another generation. That is why I never let them escape with my blood if I can.
theloveaffair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And fleas. And ticks. And bed bugs.
Artanthos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think about all the other species that would go extinct without mosquitoes.
WWIflyingace62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine if we start killing off mosquitoes by the masses, some weird environmental bullshit will happen and we'll end up worse off than we started. Man, fuck nature.
xprdc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And bed bugs. I cannot think of any reason or benefit for their existence whatsoever, and they are so much harder to get rid of.
My_name_is_Lost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also cockroaches. Fuck them both.
The_Avocado_Constant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I was reading this a mosquito landed on me. I tried to slap it and just hit myself in the solarplex. Fuck mosquitoes.
SirDrakey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And German Cockroaches And Silverfish for the same reasons
pokemansplease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If GDP per capita is a way to determine standard of living, then we can either:
In this way, maybe this was the mosquito's purpose, to increase the stadard of living by lowering the population. O_O
SolidJade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitches*. Only the females suck blood.
Kimberly199510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would happen if all mosquitoes on the planet were gone tomorrow?
miloca1983 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And wasps, fuck them
Unglossed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a movement I can get behind.
Fuck mosquitoes.
eddiekoski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was watching a video about an automatic lazer that kills/disables female mosquitoes by vaporizing there wings to help solve malaria!
On part of the video was talking about how female mosquito was the best enemy there is zero organizations supporting female mosquito. No animal rights activist, environmentalists, politicians, special interests, trying to stop you (for example not spraying insecticide that does dame to useful insects). No one !
Starts at 10:10 if you want to skip to the lazer part edit 14:01 if you want to skip to just the firing of the lazer and disabling the mosquito
https://www.ted.com/talks/nathan_myhrvold_could_this_laser_zap_malaria#t-598423
Pasuma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already sustain them. With our blood of course.
Durrburr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And wasps. Fuck wasps.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are worse things than mosquitos.
Madmagican- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there a big story about a year ago that essentially said we're at a point where we can drive moquitos to extinction but we're making sure there aren't going to be any drawbacks?
What happened to that?
GlobalVV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's put cockroaches, and house centipedes on the "fuck those guys" list too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These little bastards have been around for billions of years. Don't think they're going anywhere anytime soon. Altho they don't have any in lceland. Might wanna boogy on over there.
WonkyTelescope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have already genetically engineered mosquitoes that are very sexually active and attractive to other mosquitoes whose offspring are sterile.
Unfortunately some people are against genociding a whole species of disease carrying insects that make up a relatively small part of the ecosystem and food chain so they have not been released in the wild yet.
pinetreememories ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technicaly the female mosquitos are the only ones that bite. the male mosquitos help move pollen and kill smaller insects.
MsCrazyPants70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But, what would the poor bats eat?
DeviantShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
laughs in รญslenska
mobro_4000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy knows the score.
StimpleSyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blew nostrils hard on this one lol.
Slaisa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And bed bugs.
PTech_J ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also ticks. Nature, Wtf?
violet_smiles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And leeches.
masteroftasks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But without mosquitoes we can't make our own jurassic park like in that one movie about dinosaurs...
What was it called again?
bronsterz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And sea lice!
Left_Brain_Train ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And spiders.
If we're smart enough, we should just engineer something to completely and wholly replace their purpose in worldwide ecosystems and just learn about them in natural history museums from then on.
NotIWhoLive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess everyone has a fetish...
LiquidAurum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and wasps....
cl0s33n0ugh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a more apt sentence would be "Fuck those girls," only because it is the female mosquito that takes blood.
pikk ยท 231 points ยท Posted at 14:09:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the things on the list, this one seems the most unlikely.
scsuhockey ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be satisfied with seeing a solution to rising CO2 implemented and start to take effect. Not just the Paris Agreement, but a technological or devised "solution" that not only makes human activity carbon neutral, but carbon negative. Before I die, I'd like to know that my descendants have a chance.
felixfelix ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:22:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I'd like to see too. I don't know why people are pussy-footing about it.
Unfortunately I think climate change is going to trigger major global conflict and wars which will further damage the environment.
DeathToPennies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will happen by the end of the century. Most of us will be around to see the beginning of the fall of man.
corranhorn85 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:35:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy. You just need a lot fewer people.
Sorryies ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:41:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't need to get rid of people. There is enough food in the world to feed the worlds current population right now! But will you ever see the entire world co-operate in distributing food? No, you won't! It just seems impossible, sadly :(
cold26 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could distribute food to every corner of the world and that'll do fuck-all for hunger if the food is sold for profit, not distributed by necessity. Capitalism is the reason why we have both world hunger and so much food that we throw tons away of it a year. Systemic changes are needed to actually solve thing which isn't at all impossible if more people believed so.
ContinuumKing ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human nature means you will likely never get people outside of their country to help other countries people without some benefit to themselves. At least not in high enough numbers. Even without Capitalism, there would be hunger. Removing that will just make the majority do something else. And honestly, what's the alternative? How do you get people to work to produce food to feed starving people for no benefit tot themselves outside of charity? Which I'm pretty sure there are already.
Ilubalu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have just revealed you are a republican. That's what you perceive in your own nature, and that means you have strived to be honest with yourself. Every politician working from a position of honesty deserves respect.
This reminds me of Newt Gingrich's famous comment: "I'm not a citizen of the world; I'm a citizen of the United States." Watch his entire 2009 GOP Congressional Dinner speech here.
It has been demonstrated that people can and will work for others for NO benefit to themselves, but, of course, it won't be everybody who sees value in that activity. A core left-wing value is that human nature compels us to recognize the humanity in others despite their difference or nationality. And, that, should show to you that liberals are just being honest with themselves just as you are with yourself, which is why they deserve your respect.
cold26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a liberal but don't act like we have equal footing in the matter. I'm saying we should eliminate exploitation at its root and care for everybody like an evolved society should/could, and they're saying that the endeavor isn't worth it because people (like them) are too selfish to care. A big difference in which no argument should exist. We can care for everybody like an evolved society should/could. The other opinion is regressive and not worth discussing.
And no, not every politician deserves respect for any reason. I'm sure you can't mean Newt Gingrich, man who divorced his wife while she lay on her hospital bed, the health insurance lobbyist who advised Trump on repealing the only slightly progressive healthcare program we have in this country. He advocated for using tax payer money to "reimburse" businesses "effected by" the ACA. He can choke and die.
Ilubalu ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is there no path within your own imagination that someone you disagree with might take, and end up deserving your respect?
Consider how when people play chess, there are 3 boards: the one on the table and the one in each player's head. I am asking you to manipulate that sim-life in your head to ask the question: How can one of them be respectable to you?
If you meet a stranger who decides to take a risk on you and share what they really thought, are you actually going to end the discussion if their ideas disgust you? Again, go to the sim-life. Do they have a chance at being worthy of your appreciation in there?
Everybody's brains are wired differently. It is that wiring that motivates our preferences. Consider the psychopaths doing AMAs. They may be repulsive and disgusting; however, there is a lesson in there for us. We learn that some people in this world simply lack a sense of feeling for others. It's not something they initiate; it's something they are oriented to prefer - simply because when they see people, nothing fires inside inspiring them to help or understand. Is that person a monster? Maybe, so go back to your sim-world. Where do they fit in your perfect world simulation? They do have a place. Maybe.... their purpose is to deal with others who are as heartless as they are, people like Putin and Assad. Whoa. Makes sense. They'd be horrible cops, but great mercenaries.
When somebody takes a risk and reveals to you what they actually think, want, and feel, you are being given an opportunity to grow, help them, and help the world by encouraging them to find their proper place. You will not reduce this person's influence or inspire this person to loathe themselves by giving them the cold shoulder or cutting off discussion. If you really don't like them, just stay cool, and plug it into your life-sim when you get home. You just might find they are not as evil as you thought, and if you are still in touch, you can offer them suggestions THAT NOBODY AROUND THEM WILL SUGGEST. Also, consider which republicans you believe are legitimately honest and deserve respect. I'm not suggesting that the ones who lie and cheat deserve that.
cold26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My suggestion is overthrowing capitalism to end poverty, war, and lack of basic resources. If that is not your suggestion then it's merely putting a bandaid on the problem, or making the problem worse. Those opinions I will not entertain. There are a handful of politicians I respect and that is because they are socialists too and are attempting to make reforms where it's possible while this neoliberal capitalist system still exists. Left ideologies and right ideologies are not equal, nor will we meet in the middle to compromise when compromising is anything other than solving the root of the problem. Get that centrist shit outta here.
Ilubalu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's such a pleasure to discuss with you because it's usually the atheists and capitalists I am banging on with. At least, I know you're not one of those.
Sounds like you're saying that while the status quo carries on, you will remain disgusted and angry. You remind me of the goth kids on South Park. I think it's a little bit not accepting the world as it is - like a racist holding onto a hope that one day a big boat will come and take all the black people back to Africa.
Perhaps, your hopes are that some heist or hack brings companies to their knees. I can't speak about that. From my perspective, that appears possible, but not very likely. I'm pretty sure that the people I disagree with aren't going anywhere. They still deserve respect; even Bernie Sanders would tell you that.
Well, I do admire your ability to believe in yourself. It's your inability to respect those who disagree that appears to be a serious weakness. I once thought the right-wing alone was guilty of that.
You're admitting to respecting only people who agree with you. You clearly don't like this idea, but I'll repeat it: Many people who disagree with you/us have arrived at their points of view in an honest and sincere way. They do not deserve your disrespect; after all, they're just being themselves, and that alone does not make me a centrist.
Let me tell you something. This all started when we were kids. Some kids enjoyed the fact that they're good at things, and they're inspired by the thought they could be rewarded for it. They then are motivated to believe that the most beautiful thing is a person becoming the strongest they can become. Now, a socialist like you or me might say this isn't what society should be built on, but this kid is genuinely enamored with the concept of reaching his/her highest form of him/herself. You can't just rip out that feeling and tell them it was never there.
ContinuumKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha, did I? Okay, if you say so.
Of course there are people who are willing to help others for no benefit. I never said they didn't exist. I like to think I'm one of them much of the time. But you will never get ENOUGH of them to make any kind of impact.
Think about it. Nothing is stopping them NOW from doing just that. There are plenty of charities all over the place. The people who are willing to do that already are, and we still have world hunger. You aren't suddenly going to change people's attitudes about that by changing the political nature of their country. The people who are willing to do that will continue to do that, and the people who aren't will not.
I'm not interested in what labels you think are better than other labels. The fact is people aren't going to suddenly become saints who like running soup kitchens suddenly because you change how the government functions.
...............Is this a joke? I respect people based off who they are, not what political label they decide to wear. And for the record, I have seen an astounding amount of liberals who are not worthy of any kind of respect.
Ilubalu ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You cited human nature. That's rather comprehensive. You then went on to explain why you think the battle against hunger will never be won. That does not justify inaction. You've heard of the starfish story; right?
You then go off on some rant against labels. Look; your entire post amounts to negativity in the light of people trying to help others. I'm telling you that people do want to help others and that they will continue doing so no matter what you think the label is or how government is involved.
ContinuumKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:19 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, human nature means many or most of humans will feel this way. Not literally every single human that exists feels this way. Humans are complex enough that you will never be able to make a blanket statement about anything concerning humans other than, perhaps, they are all human.
I never said it did. I said changing the government will not help solve it. I think we absolutely should be helping people who are starving or in need.
It's you who brought labels into the equation. You started labeling people republican and then demanding people who call themselves liberal should get my respect. My "rant" was specifically about not giving a shit about what you decide to label yourself as. YOU brought it up, and I'm saying it's irrelevant.
No it doesn't. I have NEVER said helping others is wrong or pointless. Not once.
Are you a damn troll? This has literally been my exact point this whole time. People will help people in need or they wont. Doesn't matter what government structure you have.
Which means that the person who claimed that world hunger exists because of Capitalism, and suggested that it could be solved by a switch in how the government is run, is wrong. Outside of a dictatorship that forces people to work for the benefit of others, you will not see any significant increase in fighting world hunger with a political change because a change in politics will not trigger a change in the PEOPLE themselves who are already free to help the needy, and don't in big enough numbers to erase the problem.
Ilubalu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:29 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have a problem respecting people if they use labels? I said people who sincerely arrive at their viewpoint, whether we agree with it or not, deserve respect on account of the honesty they had with themselves. I did NOT say that people deserve respect on account of their self-identifying one way or another; however, I see no importance in pointing out if a label is involved or not. It kinda suggests you didn't read what I wrote well, which is a classic reddit sickness. People blab and respond without really caring. None of it is important to them, and they're just trying to pass time at work because they're bored. I bet that's you. Either way, you can get your panties twisted up because of almost anything like labels. That's you doing that; not me. I'm making a reference to the beliefs.
You struck me as smart at first, but you can't pass off the appearance of intelligence by saying non-sequiturs like that, but then again, maybe I'm dumb to suspect that you are. Maybe the failure in this logic is plainly obvious to you, and are pushing it on me out of the hope I'll miss it. Of course, there is no light switch anywhere that will fix any significant problem. On the other hand, it is a significant failure if one attempts to discredit all influence capitalism might have on the poor.
To put it succinctly: There is no connection between the observed and very unpredictable behavior individuals and the responsibility of the government, which clearly has the power to wield a significant influence at the corporate and global level.
The observation I suppose we both made about individuals and their freedom to act does not imply anything about government and the role it plays/played/could play because we're talking about the difference between ants and Mack trucks. You're arguing the classical right-wing, capitalist, leave-me-alone-to-enjoy-my-money point of view. It's like saying, "If individuals have been observed fixing up abandoned vehicles, government has no responsibility to handle any abandoned vehicles." It does not follow, a non-sequitur. I suspect you're using this obviously weak logic in order to weasel your way out of responsibility just like John Galt.
Not only can gov't have a role, IT CAN, AND IT MUST because it has been proven again and again that society and more specifically, business, cannot be trusted to treat people well. Does hunger exist because of capitalism? A person with a short attention span wants a yes/no answer. The only smart thing to say is that capitalism exerts a significant influence on the entire world, and it's clear that it motivates people to not share. It's like LORD OF THE RINGS. The ring or the money doesn't turn people evil or selfish; it enables them to become evil or selfish if they have that desire and give into it. The freedom to make unlimited money is a beautiful thing; however, it is one of the most important reasons why government must look out for the less fortunate - because the rich have proven they will isolate themselves and make efforts to forget that the poor exist.
ContinuumKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:32 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, but I could care less about them in this specific context, and they certainly don't deserve my respect just because they have one label or another.
You mean like the time you repeated my entire point back to me like it was what you were supporting the entire time?
You can create little images of me in your head to make yourself feel superior if that really helps you. Again, not relevant.
Your petty insults are only going to make your stance look less valid than it already does.
The government has no ability to make people work for other countries benefit outside of a dictatorship. It has nothing to do with Capitalism, as has everything to do with a huge majority of people not caring about other countries problems. Again, outside of a dictatorship, there is no way to combat that attitude through government means.
Uh, no? I haven't said anything about the wealthy or their money. Or anyone's money in fact.
Once again, I'm talking about getting people to sacrifice their own time/energy/whatever on helping those in other countries. That attitude is why world hunger is a problem. You cannot change that attitude with a government flip.
It's not like that at all. I'm not talking about government responsibility. I'm talking about the people who make up the citizenry of a country.
Is it clear? That doesn't seem at all clear to me. You cant just pass that off as if it's obvious without backing it up. You are honestly saying that all the greedy people in the world wouldn't be greedy if the government was run differently.
Here's the thing. Greedy people don't stop being greedy because the government changes to something else. They stay greedy, and either are forced to help others (dictatorship), or they work around it. But you cannot change the individual people's attitudes by changing government. And, I have said this a huge number of times at this point, THE CITIZENS OF A COUNTRY ARE THE ONE'S WHO ULTIMATELY NEED TO BE CONVINCED TO HELP OTHER COUNTRIES PEOPLE AND MOST OF THEM ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH WHAT IS GOING ON HALF WAY AROUND THE WORLD.
They are concerned with their own lives and the lives of those around, specifically, the lives of the people who share their country. And you know what? That's not even a evil or wrong way of thinking. In fact, you find that thinking in just about every country that exists or has existed since countries became a thing, and really even before that. Because you know what? That way of thinking is human nature. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT. This is something you see no matter what government set up you have.
You cannot force people to be good people, and you cannot force people to care about others. Sorry. That might seem cold, but that's how it is.
Ilubalu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:52 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes you are, and that's why I'm starting to think this conversation is just a plaything you are not really contributing your honest attention to. This discussion's path has been clear:
REGARDLESS WHETHER CAPITALISM BE THE CAUSE OR NOT, PEOPLE HAVE DEMONSTRATED THEY WILL LET THEIR COUNTRYMEN AND PEOPLE OF OTHER COUNTRIES SUFFER WITHOUT LIMIT, AND THAT IS WHY GOV'T HAS A ROLE WHETHER THE POVERTY BE IN ITS OWN BORDERS OR NOT. EVIDENTLY IT CAN'T HANDLE 100% of the POVERTY ELSEWHERE, BUT IF THERE IS SUFFERING GOING ON, THE COUNTRY DOES HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY A ROLE IN SHOWING IT HAS A SOUL WHICH CARES FOR OTHERS. MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF POLITICIANS YOU LIKE; SO, VOTE AS YOU LIKE. Now, capitalism as a basis for society is clearly a system of some sort, and you can choose to get lost in the semantics of its definition, but for all practical purposes, it also refers to the effect it has, which is unfettered wealth in the hands of a few. So, again, if you want to get lost in semantics or talk about some other country, this is a waste of time. I am saying that wealth encourages separation, which encourages oblivion. Now, do you need URLs or studies to prove that? You are not inclined to think that when people have more money to run off and have fun, they have one less motivation to remember people less fortunate than themselves, which is those very people in their midst. Nobody is trying to shut down american capitalism or even argue that it causes poverty; however, it does enable the selfish to be more selfish. American socialism is a sorely needed thing.
Guess what? I DIDN'T INSULT YOU! I SUGGESTED THAT YOU MIGHT BE SMARTER THAN I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT. You didn't pick that up, or your anti-positivity filter stopped it from hitting your brain..... OR YOU JUST DIDN'T READ WELL ENOUGH. I SUSPECT YOU SKIM AND QUIT. NOW DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT IMPRESSION AND ACCUSE ME OF CREATING FIGMENTS IN MY BRAIN LIKE SOME KIND OF SOLIPSIST? You're just trying to cleverly insult me. This is not what I consider to be fun or useful for me or for you, but why didn't I realize this earlier when I first got a load of your attitude after realizing you were a republican?? I think I am getting something from this after all.
As far as your judging the strength of my "stance": I do not recognize you as an authority or judge of what constitutes a valid or adequately reasoned stance or opinion because of your evident posturing and jumping about just for kicks or to "win". You're either logical or not in this forum, which means the declaration that you don't care about something is not recognized as valid currency here. HOWEVER, IT CERTAINLY SEEMS YOU'RE SMART ENOUGH TO MAKE SUCH AN ASSESSMENT IF YOU WERE TO SINCERELY TRY TO DO SO. A discussion like this is only enjoyable when you're talking with someone honest enough to acknowledge when progress is made on an issue and humble enough to not clutter the discussion with bellicose tit-for-tats for EVERYTHING.
You're smart enough to teach me something, but I don't think that's one of your objectives. Maybe I've schooled you on human nature. Whatever. You haven't made any contribution here (DUHH... repubs with attitude like him don't seek to do that kind of thing.), and my opinions remain unchanged. You haven't won, and if I did anything good, you sure won't let me know, but I'm not seeking validation. I'm just seeking to bounce ideas off people who may disagree, but can respect. THE WHOLE WORLD SEEMS TO INCREASE ITS PEACE AND ELBOW ROOM WHEN PEOPLE OF DIFFERENCE EXPRESS A WELLNESS WITH AND UNDERSTANDING OF PEOPLE OF DIFFERENCE. Please consider that reddit may provide a function more significant than mental masturbation or debate calisthenics.
ContinuumKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:13 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it absolutely matters. Human nature means most people are far more willing to look out for "their group" and not other people's group. This doesn't just happen in countries, it happens in almost every situation where you can have more than one "group".
I have explained that, like, 20 times now. I don't know how you are still confused about it.
Because my republicanism or lack of republicanism is irrelevant. Remember the talk about labels we just had? It's just you trying to derail the subject into a republican vs liberal debate. I'm not having it. Whatever political party I fall into doesn't matter. Focus on what I'm saying here and now and don't try wasting time guess about what I might think about other things. It will provide absolutely nothing useful to the conversation.
Yeah, I never denied this. Here's the thing about it, though. These people already exist. They already have the freedom to act on those selfless impulses. World hunger continues.
Know why? Because there isn't ENOUGH of them. Many people, I'm probably safe to say MOST people, think that helping others is a good thing. They either think it's more important to help the people in their country first, OR they are just too caught up in their own lives/are too busy to be bothered with joining a help outreach program.
And you know what? That doesn't make them bad people. But the fact still remains that this wont change with the government. That way of thinking will remain regardless of whether the government is socialism, capitalism, communism, or any other ism you can think up of. And that's why things like world hunger exist. Government has very little to do with it. It's the people you have to get to do it, and they aren't going to do it in big enough numbers. Again, because if they WERE they already WOULD be. Nothing is stopping them from doing that RIGHT NOW.
Okay, like what? What kind of government would be better at outreach than a capitalist one?
This is a pretty weak argument. Your argument is basically "rich people are too busy having fun to think about poor people, so we should make them poorer so they can have less fun and maybe think about poor people more."
IS that your argument? Because if it is, should we could apply that logic to just about any kind of fun. Playing video games takes away time you could be spending thinking about the poor. Video games cause world hunger.
The argument was made that it is one of the causes of world hunger, and that if there were a different government in place world hunger either would be solved or significantly reduced.
THAT is what I'm arguing against. My point is that no governmental switch outside of a dictatorship that demands it's citizens help other countries will ever make even a slight tiny dent in world hunger. Because the government is not what stops world hunger from being solves, the citizens are.
How is that going to solve world hunger? Remember that is the topic we are discussing.
That's not what "You struck me as smart at first" means. That's not an anti positivity filter, that's understanding how language works. Especially when you follow it up with the word "but".
"I thought it was raining today at first, but it turns out it's raining today."
That sentence makes no sense. Your full quote was "You struck me as smart at first, but you can't pass off the appearance of intelligence by saying non-sequiturs like that,"
Did you seriously hope I had just forgotten what you said? That was the worst attempt at back peddling I've ever seen.
There's another example of you trying to find something else to attack me on instead of my actual points. You have no idea what political leaning I am. You tacked that label onto me so you could attack it when you were up against the rails and couldn't respond to my actual points.
Well, here's the thing about that. Your stance is valid or not regardless of who is arguing against it and for what reason. It literally has NO bearing on whether or stance is valid or not. The only thing that matters in that regard is your stance itself, and it doesn't hold up because of the reasons I listed. It would make NO difference if those reasons came from a logic professor, a child, or a dog.
No? Are you sure? Seems a little odd that we have made it this far with nothing to talk about.
In fact, I'm the one trying so hard to keep the conversation on topic. You have tried to derail it again and again and again.
Ah! Like this here.
Another example of you attacking me instead of my points. And to make matters worse, you are attacking something about me that you just made up so you would have something to attack. Try to stay on topic. I told you repeatedly I'm not interested in your silly label game.
It's not about winning or loosing. You clearly are taking this approach, not me. However I will say you cannot win until you at least respond to my points, and calling me a republican is not an example of you doing that, by the way.
I would be more willing to believe you if you didn't almost immediately start screaming "your a republican" the second you started having your point challenged.
Ilubalu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:54 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We disagree on what "their group" is. You're saying americans will look out for ALL other americans, and I'm saying "Baloney". Consider how gun laws are tolerated because inner-city murders mostly involve blacks, which gun-rights activists seem to consider "not their people". Of course, they'll never say that. Consider the efforts to "reform" voting or keep marijuana illegal; those issues affect the poor and POCs more than anyone else because respectively speaking, they are the ones who have difficulty voting or are currently incarcerated for marijuana. Consider the refusal to improve Obamacare. Republicans want that because it doesn't hurt them. If Americans are one people, then it must not really love itself. That's why labels matter; it points out who is doing what, and it suggests what their thinking might be.
A thing is not true just because you have stated it. Likewise, you cannot state the parameters of acceptability. You can, of course, argue why a topic like domestic issues or labels are not relevant in your opinion.
Republicanism as a concept is relevant because this is a discussion about human nature, and it has been observed that for dems, the welfare of others, domestic or not, has higher priority than it does for repubs. The labels serve to suggest what a person's nature is. Repubs, theoretically speaking, unite in their appreciation for human competence and the freedom to reap its rewards. That is a significant contribution. On the other hand, one of their central beliefs is that there must always be a loser. Some truly believe that sharing decreases the rich's ability to even survive. This is why labels are not outside of the scope of this discussion; they are central to it. I get that they bug you and that you'd prefer to not use them.
Directives? That doesn't work in reddit-world. As far as the focus of this discussion is concerned, if we can't agree on what the relevant issues are, we can't really go any farther. It's like going to a mechanic and stating that the sunlight is a factor in the interior heat, and he says it's not relevant because he can't fix the sun. Time to find another mechanic. No, I am not suggesting that you or I are playing some kind of service role here. I'm not the mechanic, nor are you. However, a disagreement over something very fundamental in this discussion of the poor appears to be at play here.
We agree that (1) hunger will exist, (2) individuals can and will act on it, and (3) there won't be enough of them to make significant impact. What we disagree on is whether or not gov't has a role in exerting its significant influence on it. Obviously, I believe it does, and you don't. It's a classic debate happening all the time in the US House and Senate, and I'm glad our discussion has succeeded in rising to that level.
I didn't say that at all. I did say that wealth indeed does provide a temptation to shirk one's responsibilities to others. I say that honestly after observing in myself that when I'm having a great time, it's easier to keep the party going than to do the humbling work of helping even friends and family with tasks like cleaning up a house, painting a room, or fixing a plumbing problem. A lot of wisdom can be found by getting to know oneself. You can't get to know everybody that way, but it's a really good start.
I think you know I didn't make that argument.
There is no "switch". Besides, we disagree on the role gov't can play and the extent to which it can or should wield an influence in any country, and I think we should leave it at that.
Again, we disagree on what the relevant terms are. Seems to me there is enough evidence that many in the USA wish to either neglect or deport the not-like-thems in their midst. That's why domestic hunger/poverty/etc. is relevant. If you disagree, then again, the mechanic analogy.
You are correct. That sentence you have in quotes does indeed not pass on a compliment. However, the sentence I typed after that certainly did. I typed a thought to myself which was "Maybe this guy meant to say that, and I didn't pick up on the clever thing he was trying to pull off." That was a compliment to you.
I'm not back pedaling anything. Evidence you didn't get it is the fact that your bolded quote of my text didn't include the relevant part I referred to just above.
Is that what you're after? Are you trying to make me think I've been overcome somehow? As I said at the end of my last message, nothing about my viewpoint has changed, and I haven't learned anything except that maybe I should point out to myself earlier when I'm dealing with someone who appears more interested in being pugnacious instead of getting anywhere in our understandings or disagreements, which can bear the fruit of realizing respect, which makes any world more comfortable to live in. Furthermore, you may still think everybody in america is looking out for all americans. If you still think that, we're really not getting anywhere.
Maybe a more accurate way to put it is to say that you decided to not address the issues I considered relevant. Mechanic analogy.
I disagree. A "stance" or viewpoint or opinion is as strong as the evidence and logic supporting it IMO. In reddit-world, the only authority is logic and evidence. Nobody can shut down someone else because they declare they don't care or that they call somebody elaborate insulting names. That's why I like reddit. Nobody can dominate on the basis of how loud or ugly they want to get or how many friends they have.
I made it clear I don't see your reasons as valid. Instead of referring to them dogmatically - again a thing that just doesn't work on reddit - you'd do better to try them again a different way or with more examples or evidence.
Yes, your character did seem to become relevant when I noticed (1) it looked like you weren't really trying and (2) you tried to squeeze an insult and the suggestion that you were dominating in this discussion in every other response line (those "bellicose tit-for-tats for EVERYTHING" that I mentioned).
Sure sounds disrespectful to me.
ContinuumKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:44 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm not, and you're derailing the conversation again. Why is it so hard for you to stay on topic?
This only proves my point all the more anyway. If we have different groups in America itself (which I pointed out when I said it isn't just countries) that tend to look out for each other, it is just that much of a bigger leap to talk about helping other countries groups.
They don't matter this specific subject. And they certainly don't matter to this subject when you make up one for someone else and then continue to attack that label YOU placed on them.
This conversation isn't about labels. Stop trying to bring it back around to that.
But you aren't even arguing against my points. It took you this long to actually acknowledge the "group" part of the conversation, which has been the entire point of the conversation since the beginning. That's what I mean when I say I don't know why you aren't getting it. You don't seem to be getting what my point is because we have gone this far and you have only JUST NOW acknowledged the main driving point that has been made since the beginning.
We aren't talking about which political party likes helping other people more. Stay on topic.
We aren't talking about my or your nature right now. Stay on topic.
Also, you can know my nature by what I'm telling you about this subject and this subject only. Which is fine, because my views on this subject and this subject only are the only ones that are relevant to this subject.
No, they are irrelevant to this topic. It "bugs" me that you are refusing to actually talk about what we are suppose to be talking about and instead seem to INSIST on turning the conversation into a debate about political parties. And you can't use them anyway, because you don't know anything about me other than what you have imagined up in your head.
Sure we can, that's what debates and discussion is all about. I mean, we clearly don't agree, so how have we made it this far?
I don't know if it was you at the start, but the argument was made that world hunger exists because of Capitalism. That means that without it, world hunger would either be much less or removed. THAT is what I have been refuting since the beginning.
Okay, so how would this attitude change without Capitalism?
It does more than just not pass as a compliment, it's an insult. It's literally saying "I thought you were smart at first, but then you said this and so now I know you aren't actually smart." Don't try to wiggle your way out of this one. And given the fact that it starts with that sentiment, I took the rest of the "maybe you meant something else" as sarcasm, which it obviously was.
And? Whether you change your viewpoint or not doesn't matter. If you can't refute the opponents points you loose. You have consistently been using your label for me as a reason to dodge talking about the actual points and instead using it to make up stuff about me you have no actual way to know so you can talk about that instead because you can't respond to my points.
They aren't relevant and I explained why they weren't relevant. Here's what's relevant to this topic.
"Would a different form of government help solve world hunger? Why or why not?"
That is literally the only question that is relevant to what we are talking about. Not republicans or liberals, not which of the two deserves respect, not racism in America, not anything else you have been filling the posts with. You are all over the place. Just answer THAT ONE QUESTION, it's the entire topic of the conversation. Nothing else.
Yes, that's my point. It's as strong as the actual argument. The person who presents the argument is irrelevant. Assuming it was the same argument all three times, it would be exactly as valid coming from a dog as it would coming from a child or a logic professor.
Then you need to combat the reasons, not just claim they aren't valid.
Well, here's you mistake. It's not. At no point is my personal character relevant to this topic.
Ilubalu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:47 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A family enters a restaurant. The wife points out there's a black speck in the salt shaker. She asks the question, "What is that black speck, and how did it get in there?" The husband, meanwhile notices a robbery taking place in the pawn shop across the street and the fact that the restaurant's biker-gang patrons have all risen to their feet. He responds to the wife by asking, "Maybe the question we should be asking is what are the reasons this part of town - or any part of any town - continues to be run down and its businesses consistently low-performing?"
The wife frowns, and declares, "That's not what this talk is about! Stay on topic! This is about THAT speck in THAT salt shaker!!!!
The husband then wonders how he could have ever married a wife who is both dogmatic AND narrow-minded in her thinking. He replied, "If you can't see the relevance of the neighborhood, we're not going to get anywhere especially with you giving directives and acting like you're an authority." IMO, your behavior has disqualified you, and I'm done here. I think it's time we got a divorce. This isn't going anywhere productive, and I think your lack of respect is a big part of this. The wife's eyes got large. She said, "But you never stay on topic. Stay on the topic!!!! You're all over the place!!!" The husband rolled his eyes. He replied, "I know that a narrow scope may suit a university professor. After all, it makes grading easier if you first define the target, but that's not the way anybody can solve real-world problems - by defining a box and commanding others to stay in it. Why not try sincerely considering what others bring to the table? That's respect in action. He said, "I'll be in the car", and left.
No disrespect intended in making you the wife. It was simply convenient for the analogy.
GeekCat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:41:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly! American food waste is so high starting in the field all the way to our homes.
I live in an area that has tons of farms that do family fruit picking and pumpkin picking. It's sad to see so much bruised fruit or fruit on the ground going to waste.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The oceans will no longer have edible fish by 2050 which feeds a third of the globe, and just because we have enough to feed people right now doesn't mean that this many people are sustainable
Sorryies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, definitely. It just weirds me out that some people on reddit subscribe to a theory that people need to be wiped out by some event for population to go down when it's well known that populations will stabilize and go down when a country develops. I don't think our population will fully start going down until some time like 2040 or something? So, yes that's another problem that needs planning to be dealt with.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except we do. The United States alone does a huge amount of that with government subsidies and various food programs. The problem is that dictatorships hoard the resources, and they do not have systems to motivate their own populations to produce for themselves.
cold26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to insult you but wow what the fuck did I just read. Our government subsidies and food programs don't even cover all of the hunger and food insecurity in America, much less anywhere else in the world. I'm going to make a short reach and assume you mean places like Venezuela when you say dictatorship... which couldn't be more wrong. 40 tons of food and medicine to be distributed to the people of Venezuela was burnt by right-wing, US backed opposition, so it's laughable to say that America cares about hunger and "dictators" don't. Other way around bro
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Venezuelan Government.
Please don't report me. I don't have a picture of the Dear Leader in this room currently but I'll fix it as soon as I can push a wheelbarrow full of worthless fiat currency to the local resource distribution hub. Was gonna buy bread but meh.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:49:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't take long to draw out the cussing and hate.
cold26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ญ so much for the tolerant left ๐ญ
The kind of ideas that you're spreading, which have zero founding in reality, lead to bullshit against the actual Venezuelan people like sanctions and American military invasion. Don't act like you care about the issue if you're just going to parrot US propaganda that justifies their violence. I encourage you to read news sources that aren't funded or controlled by US/imperialist countries.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:27:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a totally reasonable and unbiased person with no hatred for the United States. I'm certain I can rely upon you to properly inform my views of international politics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:52:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You openly hate the US, but are complaining about bias and all that.
The US is so horrible that everyone's trying to get here, and everyone comes to us with their hand out begging for resources, and when there is a natural disaster we are the first ones there.
But go stew in your hate. I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. Just seems kinda...sad.
Abiogeneralization ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would having fewer children really be so terrible?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have fun spreading that message throughout the third world.
Abiogeneralization ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:45:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Secularization helps.
KingCowPlate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Populations grow at exponential rate. Food supply does not. It's simple math to see that one will eventually exceed the other
tman_elite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually population growth tends to follow a logistic function. It appears exponential at first but eventually resource restrictions kick in.
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said you better make that an S curve, otherwise you'll end up with a J curve, and everyone will die.
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the Turian solution to the problem.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its sad because we easily have the resources and man power to do it now... but instead our top countries are focused on lip injections, arresting people, and celebrity while we have people who don't have enough water to survive on the other side of the planet
UltraRunningKid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly do not see a future where humans and wildlife remain sustainable. Of all the invasive species on earth humans are the most destructive.
As long as humans multiply at an increasing rate we will take over the entire planet.
KrakovCorp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either they mean it in a very general way, in which case it is a meaningless statement, or they mean it more literally, in which case it is just nonsense.
Weigh13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So completely altering and controlling the evolution of life on the planet?
jake_fordyce ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:07:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or halting it completely, which is a terrible idea
tranny-skater ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:51:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As if access to food is the only condition necessary for reproduction...
Weigh13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, evolution is a lot more complicated and actually requires that species not make it and be forced to adapt or die. If humans actively tried to sustain all life on the planet they would do much more harm. They would evolve dependancy on humans in all animals they "saved". The actual species would die out and be replaced by demosticated versions living in whatever eco system we deemed "healthy".
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:24:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like communism to me. Don't you know only some people are entitled to the earth's natural resources?
OrangeJuiceSpanner ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:13:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is the population just keeps growing and growing. If the world can comfortably feed 50 billion people, were going to end up with 50.5 billion.
NYCSPARKLE ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost all projections show the population leveling off at 10-15 billion by 2100, not exponential growth like you're suggesting.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth
Miaoxin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:00:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Hans Rosling has some excellent input on this front. Check out some of his TED Talk videos if you haven't already.
He was probably one of the only statisticians I could sit and listen to for half an hour without nodding off.
cewfwgrwg ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:02:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. The secrets to population control are education, gender equality, and access to birth control.
dilatory_tactics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or if someone has more than like 2 or 3 kids, everyone be really mean to those people and don't let those later kids into college or society or whatever. I'm only half joking
DeepFriedDresden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But aren't people with more education less likely to have more kids?
dilatory_tactics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the half joking part. The point is that there has to be some harsh negative consequence, social or otherwise, to having too many damn kids, but who knows what that would be or whether people could stomach it.
mr_ji ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just some social ethics.
glacierburrito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly recommend reading this paper (in particular section 6). It gives a great explanation of why the UN estimates are probably wrong. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014EF000275/full.
obviousflamebait ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:45:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The link does not support your claim, it shows the "medium" predicted population continuing to grow past 2100. Yes, the rate of increase is expected to decrease and level off, but the population would still be growing.
Try reading your own source next time (or just looking at the pictures, honestly).
NYCSPARKLE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:04:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok brah
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NorthernerWuwu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can only imagine the questions that would be on this test.
Druid51 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't think of a test that wouldn't lower the population by less than 90%.
Bopnop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that that YouTube movie? Looked awful
Just-For-Porn-Gags ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is, it was actually surprisingly reaaaallly good. Logan Paul is a douchebag, but man that kid can act
casprus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of thats in undeveloped countries in SSA and MENA, the problems are civilisational
omgimnotcool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt the planet can even hold 50 billion people. Current estimates put the population at 9.5 billion by 2050 which is already causing lots of international organisations to input sustainability programs on countries that are experiencing (or will experience) large positive influxes in population; Africa, for example, is set for the largest increase of 1.1 billion currently to 2.4 billion by 2050 and whilst most countries will stabilise and shrink in population size by that point (including China even), there will still be a huge, ongoing talking point in the near future in regards to food sustainability during this century that should be happening at a faster point than it is now, in my opinion.
Tl;dr - want to solve world hunger.
OrangeJuiceSpanner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:18:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just throwing a number out there. The thing is, we could feed everyone right now. We don't have a problem with not enough food, we have a problem of getting the food to everyone who needs it.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:31:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Lontar47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or ten
kineticunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eugenics is the answer
Pikesmakker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:16:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every living thing on the planet is not meant to be sustained.
Lontar47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, once the planet can no longer sustain us-- we'll all die.
avinagigle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How on earth is that going to be possible though? You can't really sustain EVERY living thing on earth and still survive. Even the first cities tore down trees to build houses.
bigboxtown ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:39:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeaaa, really surprised so many people support this thought. Sounds nice I guess, but an extremely naive thing to wish for. People should watch nature documentaries every once in a while.
ThisIsGoobly ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:08:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't even a far fetched goal. But currently our dominant societal system runs with a serious distribution problem when it comes to resources. Wasting them massively, hoarding them in ridiculous excess amounts for individuals or small groups of people so that they do not benefit the global population, even a simple opinion, by the people who possess the power to control distribution, that personal gain is more important than the lives of others and so resources aren't put where they should be.
VomitPorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difficult bit is not sustaining humans - it's halting the mass extinction of other species that we are causing.
mr_ji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like the solution where there are a lot of people who are equally poor. I prefer the one where there are fewer people who are equally wealthy.
ThisIsGoobly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't have to be either. Also right now we definitely qualify as having loads of people who are equally poor anyway.
Averagepunpun ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:16:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If wealth was evenly distributed all humans and most mammals will have shelter and food. If giant corporations push for progress rather than profits (looking at you big Oil), then we would already have emissionless cars running on electric.
To put it this way, the total wealth and resources of the world is still enough to ensure everyone has a roof over their heads with enough food and water. Unfortunately, the 1% hold on to about half of the world's wealth and assets. As their wealth grows, more and more people are growing up in poverty, yet they continue to fill their pockets.
So really, it isn't that humans arent capable of self sustainability. The Native Americans have been doing it forever after all. It's the greed and corruption around the world that divides the haves and the have not.
Louie C.K said it perfectly, "never look over your neighbors fence to see if he has more, look over to see if he has enough" or something along the lines of that. This idea is the exact opposite of consumerism, just because your neighbor bought a new Benz doesn't mean you need one too. Instead, worry about Little Timmy next door who's mother is working two jobs to sustain themselves. Perhaps(if you have the means) you can donate some of your extra food to them.
[deleted] ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:06:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quit eating meat, or eat less meat. The livestock population is insanely huge, which taxes resources and is unsustainable.
barracuz ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:01:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah then we can instead use pastures to grow lentils nonstop
killerteddybear ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:10:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'll teach all those fat-cats who don't know the real /r/frugaljerk
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can stop clear cutting the rainforest for new pasture land. We can let much of the existing pasture land do whatever it wants because we won't need it.
You do know that most meat doesn't come from cows grazing on pastures, right? It's cows crowded in a barn being fed corn.
ChrisRunsTheWorld ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why don't we just eat that corn?
WeightyUnit88 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think I'm giving up steak for lentils you are very much mistaken.
Natanael_L ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lab grown meat!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:13:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wish that lab grown meat would become a common thing already. I LOVE meat but hate the process that goes into farming it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give it time. There's a lot of interest in it. I'm switching to it too when it becomes cheap and safe.
Lontar47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
misteaken. FTFY
Im_Not_That_OtherGuy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:09:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lab made meat is becoming much much cheaper to create which may be a major remediation to this problem.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:26:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are already plenty of amazing alternatives. They're never good enough for someone who isn't willing to change. Lab grown meat won't be good enough either. And while everyone's waiting around for it, there goes climate change, and everyone's refusing to lift a finger for it because BAACON.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Amazing" is subjective. It's good that you find them amazing. I find them palatable, but plenty of people find them completely awful. And that's OK.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:49:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not all meat alternatives are fake meat products. Sometimes it's well prepared vegetables that become the hero of the meal.
Regardless, people are placing a taste preference above the welfare of the planet.
-littlefang- ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People will always place their own pleasure over the welfare of the planet or of animals, or of anything. The comments here are indicative of this selfish attitude. But steak tho amirite lol I luv meat, etc. People know the environmental impact but they don't care.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As is their right.
There are plenty of ways to address the welfare of the planet besides ending all meat consumption.
ContinuumKing ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That changes nothing about what he/she said, though. They never said anything about fake meat products. They simply said not everyone considers the alternatives to be amazing, which is true. This can include fake meat, or vegetables, or what have you.
You are not going to have an easy time convincing people to eat the way you think they should by coming at it from "If I like it, you must like it to."
There is nothing inherently damaging to the planet about eating meat. There are plenty of ways to curb that damage without going vegan.
SOBWAW ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:58:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I should become a vegan and start doing crossfit? Oh by the way everyone, I am now a vegan and do crossfit.
sneakyequestrian ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They raise a good point. Livestock is awful for our environment. Pour money into lab grown meat but actual livestock is shit for the environment. If you want to see a more sustainable future cutting meat out from your diet is the way to go. Even making it more of a treat instead of a main course would be preferable.
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:01:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please. Like vegans and crossfitters are more annoying than meat eaters. lol. "BUUUT BAAAACOON!"
BigPoppaChump ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:31:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holding a glass of bacon-flavoured vodka, wearing his I Heart Bacon shirt and bacon scented perfume while cooking up some bacon: "when will vegans stop being so over the top"
Lontar47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That fad died a few years ago. Bacon culture was fucking terrible, though.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not over by any means.
akaijiisu ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 14:07:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea that you think the outspokenness of these groups is in any way comparable is confusing
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:23:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's perspective. Try being a vegan for a while and see how annoying meat eaters are. You'll be surprised.
The other day, I was minding my own business, eating veggie fajitas at a bar. The guy next to me asks what I'm eating and I say veggie fajitas. He says "no offense, but if someone gave me that, I'd be pissed!"
Another time, I was at a fair and a vendor was selling vegan corn dogs. Someone walked by, read the sign, and very loudly said "Vegan corn dogs! EEEEWWWW!" She didn't even try them.
When I read the paper, there's restaurant reviews every week for restaurants that serve meat. The one time they review a vegan restaurant, all of the comments are about how vegans are fighting a culture war and trying to shove veganism down everyone's throats. mmmkay, I don't remember vegans making comments like that. Nobody's forcing you to go there. And it's not like that's not the exact thing you're doing right now, but whatever.
I can go on. So can every other vegan. You think vegans are annoying. Try seeing it from our side.
akaijiisu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get that you're defensive because you've had bad experiences but try re-reading my comment without adding context I've had nothing to do with.
I didn't say anything about anyone being annoying. I didn't even say OP was wrong.
I feel like I'm the customer who comes into a store and asks the guy working there the same question 40 other customers asked already today - that dude is going to be annoyed as hell at having to answer the same question 40 times but fuck if I know or had anything to do with all the other people that asked it.
Darko33 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:54:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like labeling all meat eaters as "annoying" is probably a little unfair. The vast majority of meat eaters I know (myself included) don't care at all what other people choose to eat or not eat. Same goes for most vegans I know, too, incidentally.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When did I label all meat eaters as annoying?
Darko33 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seemed like "see how annoying meat eaters are" is painting with a pretty broad brush
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The context was defending vegans because of a 'lol annoying vegans' joke.
Natanael_L ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/juliaminson/files/do-gooder_derogation.pdf
People in general will assume that those perceived to be holding themselves to higher standards would be aggressive / insulting towards them. In other words, just hearing somebody is a vegan will make people assume they're asshats.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is actually an externalization of your own self-judgment.
When I became less judgmental (including toward myself) and more of a go-with-the-flow guy, I seemed to have magically stopped finding vegans annoying.
Savitarr ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:36:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please. Vegans are all like "BUUUT KAAAALEEE" "BUT THE ENVIRONMENT" "BUT ANIMALS"
Bacon>All of those things!
ContinuumKing ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you typically only hear people talk like that in response to a vegan or vegetarian provoking first. At least in my experience.
tcoatee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But seriously, there are so many reasons to do crossfit other than to help the environment.
ahappypoop ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least you're not an engineer and a millennial too.
Zerole00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:(
Baadec ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:41:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not eating meat is like putting a band-aid on a severed limb. Mono-crop agriculture is just as huge a burden on the environment as livestock.
Agricultural Civilization is inherently unsustainable and we are on a collision course with soil depletion.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:45:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most crops are grown to feed livestock.
fuckharvey ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Livestock are much more willing to eat crops that humans won't.
A perfect example is that humans won't eat the natural grass most livestock are happy to eat.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:01:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most livestock aren't out on the prairie eating grass. They're packed into barns eating corn and alfalfa.
fuckharvey ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:29:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I don't like alfalfa sprouts.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Livestock is mostly fed things humans could eat that was grown on land suitable for other plants as well.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except there would be way less mono-crop agriculture as well if everyone was on a plant-based diet. Something like 60% of crops in the US is being fed to livestock.
Baadec ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if we also all collectively decided we are okay with only producing what we need to sustain our species rather than constantly creating more than we need to feed an ever growing population. Since that is unlikely, all the crops that are currently used to feed livestock would be repurposed to just feed us directly.
Full agriculture is unsustainable no matter if it's livestock or monocrop. That system must be abandoned.
doeldougie ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:43:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pass.
the-real-apelord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not in our nature. Like chimps we strip an area of resources then move on.
Avogadro101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is more easily attainable if we eliminate 3/4 of the population.
danceeforusmonkeyboy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could if only greed could be curtailed.
dilatory_tactics ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd have to control overpopulation first, the problem being a combination of it being taboo to discuss and people being too complacent/selfish/assholish to have maybe just one or two or no kids instead of like 5 or 12.
BoerboelFace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're going to have to get rid of most of you.
glitch177k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of evolution.
justavault ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope not... that would mean uncontrolled procreation is no issue. Would fuck up the planet.
Would be better if mankind would find a way to stop overproportional poverty procreation, but therefor be able to supply anything necessary.
Zerole00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy and environmental conservation
tsepp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable, commercial fusion energy would be awesome to see. Would really help lighten the load humanity puts on the planet.
heimdal77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They technically can now but don't want to because that would mean working with others and sharing things instead of squeezing every dollar they can out of everything.
areels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll become cylons in 30 years.
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A moral, emotional and economic issue as much as a technological one
Yorktown81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if this goes against the normal planetary cycles of warming and cooling? Not trolling at all I just wonder sometimes the moral implications of humans trying to change what earth is naturally doing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are able to already, in fact we are better off than any other living thing in the planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already had that for millions of years. Be careful though, you might not like how we get there.
Galaxy_Ranger_Bob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are already there. The reason we don't already do this is because people are greedy and don't want to help others.
I_need_more_wine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy just seeing humans set foot on another planet.
IronOhki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was imagining yesterday that we might build orbital plantations. Ship up soil water and seeds, drop down food. Entire platforms of efficient monoculture growing the plants we like, while the dirt down on Earth can go back to doing it's diversity thing.
Leninheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already are able, but refuse to do it.
TheIslander829 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you mean killing off half the planet's humans?
I didn't know you had that kind of genocide in you...
IAmAWrestlingGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you do that when living things eat/consume other living things? You don't think that humans have already sustained themselves on the planet?
We've been around for a fairly long time and since our inception haven't really relinquished any ground on the food chain totem pole. In fact some would argue we've removed ourselves from the food chain which I would consider the ultimate sustenance.
landis_shimmy_maslin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misread that as "husbands"
DenormalHuman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already could I think, but we have a bunch of red tape and an insatiable greed, it seems.
Darddeac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ain't carrying no low level trash.
stormycloudysky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the only legacy I desire
buttery_shame_cave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can right now, but the whole quest for a profit is getting in the way.
mjk05d ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:08:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The aggravating is that we can do this right now without any new technology. Everybody just needs to go vegan and stop having kids.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:38:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guessing you meant stop having as many kids?
mjk05d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could work too, but a human population of 0 is certainly sustainable.
http://www.vhemt.org/
ContinuumKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable in what way? In that it exists? Mars is sustainable as well, it has no life at all. In that sense with or without humans the earth is still sustainable.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. A population of 50 billion is also sustainable if you look at it from the very long run. The earth is going anywhere for a while.
Edit: what does a planet in good health even mean? The planet is what the planet is, it's not sentient
mjk05d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. We're already running out of fish in the ocean and phosphorous in the soil trying to feed our current population.
http://theconversation.com/how-the-great-phosphorus-shortage-could-leave-us-all-hungry-54432
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/11/061102-seafood-threat.html
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, I exaggerated.
I just don't really get talking objectively about the planets "good health". I understand talking about its health relative to humans, fish, and other life. The planet has gone through many many drastic shifts in climate and life forms, so our impact on it is just another instance of that, no?
I just think a voluntary extinction movement is kinda dumb.
Lontar47 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if we just eat kids instead?
ContinuumKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, that's all? That shouldn't be too hard at all.
00kramer00 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shutup
AntiparticleCollider ยท 8264 points ยท Posted at 11:18:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV vaccine
mybustersword ยท 3969 points ยท Posted at 12:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a straight up cure?
JMurray1121 ยท 3383 points ยท Posted at 12:36:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baby steps my dude
veganveal ยท 3345 points ยท Posted at 13:22:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baby won't be making many steps if it has HIV.
audigex ยท 584 points ยท Posted at 14:51:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually in 2017 it probably will: modern antiretroviral drugs can suppress HIV for decades.
HIV is still pretty crappy, but it's not the death sentence it once was: most HIV deaths nowadays are people who's illness had already progressed to AIDS before the modern drugs became widely available, or people who still don't have access to them.
I'll try to dig up the stats, but assuming it's accurate (and I make no promises), I read recently that a child born with HIV now has as much chance of dying from a car accident or heart disease, as from HIV-related causes of death. I mean, any of those would suck: but you're getting into "normal lifespan, if you're unlucky" territory
cormacredfield ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 15:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. My wife is an Infectious Disease doc, and runs an HIV clinic one day a week. Most of her job in the clinic is managing all of the other medical issues these folks have. The current drugs are doing an amazing job.
st0ney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe your wife can confirm what my best friend (a physician) told me: HIV is now viewed as a long term chronic illness like diabetes, Chrons, and others. Its manageable and a "normal" lifespan is expected.
cormacredfield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't put it in the same field as diabetes, but yes hiv is very treatable now as long as the person takes their medicine.
SeriouslySuspect ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can live into your 70s with HIV now if you can stay on anti-retrovirals. It's gone from something you die from, to something you die with.
Maleoppressor ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It still ruins your life, though. Good luck finding someone who is willing to date a HIV positive person.
audigex ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's also becoming more common, although I agree it does make a huge difference to many areas of quality of life, including not being able to work certain jobs etc.
But those same antiretrovirals can reduce the virus count in blood(/other important fluids for a relationship) down to literally undetectable levels, making the risk of infection almost zero.
Now of course, there are significantly fewer people for whom "almost zero" is good enough, so it's still an issue, but it does happen.
I mean, I'm not recommending you go contract HIV, it's just not as big a deal as it used to be, at least in terms of reduced lifespan
yourlocalheathen ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:24:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad just got married last year and has been a doctor for 10+, I believe he's tested + for about a decade as well. Things are just better now that we have a good grasp on what it it and are no longer just dismissing it as "the gay disease"
koiotchka ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:10:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's plenty. Other HIV+ people for instance. There are people who specifically seek out people with HIV.
There's someone out there for everybody.
angrybluechair ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:51:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean bug catchers?
koiotchka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I? Maybe. I dunno the slang these days. "Pos chasers" is what I heard last.
kyrsjo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are multiple strains tough, and getting more of them apparently makes it more difficult to treat.
koiotchka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe you.
BGage1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such ignorance needs to be eliminated. People with undetectable viral loads can not transmit the virus. PrEP is also available for HIV-negative people and it's nearly 100% effective in preventing transmission when taken daily. End the stigma.
Orisi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:09:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhh no.
Look, I'm not denying anything you've said at all. But my fiancee has an implant that makes her just as unlikely to get pregnant. Doesn't change the fact that while it's a statistical longshot it's not impossible.
Factor into that the idea that you become reliant on constant effective use of oral medications, both for yourself and your partner, to severely reduce (but not eliminate) your chances of transmission.
It's not a stigma to say to someone "I don't wanna take that risk with you." And there's nothing wrong with them saying it, because that's their right.
itsagunrack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:42 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are wrong. Undetectable = untransmittable at the clinical level. There has never been a case of an undetectable person infecting a partner when they take their drugs correctly and there are no other STIs present.
https://www.preventionaccess.org/
Orisi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:56 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHEN THEY TAKE THEIR DRUGS CORRECTLY is my entire point.
For some people, they're not willing to enter into a relationship with someone who they are going to have to immediately implicitly trust to manage their medication perfectly, for their own safety.
You know how they say if men don't want kids they should always wear a condom even if their partner is on contraceptives? Same deal. But forever. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to take that risk on a new relationship when there are other HIV- people out there they could also date.
itsagunrack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:28:43 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you're not talking about statistics, are you? You're talking about adherence, which is an entirely different issue.
Orisi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:40 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stigma isn't about how transmissible it is when everyone takes their meds. It's about the fact it CAN be transmitted. Period. And that avoiding this inherently requires a level of trust in an individual living up to certain standards.
Postcrapitalism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:37 on February 2, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it can be transmitted by the โHIV-โ, provided that their adherence to PrEP or luck/condoms arenโt all up to snuff. In fact, the likelihood of a hiv-gay man seroconversion is actually higher than the likelihood of a seasoned undetectable experiencing treatment failure. This insanity absolutely has to stop. U=U. Any attempt to add qualifications that distract from that only reflects stigma.
marc020202 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as i know we know have drugs that allow people with aids/hiv to live long enough to die of a different reason and that people with aids/hiv can have a baby without the child having hiv.
So we cannot cure people with hiv/aids but we can prevent that hiv/aids spreads to new people.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your odds of dying with HIV rather than dying of HIV are getting better all the time now.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except no one wants it, so getting married once you have HIV is pretty much impossible, and having fully consensual sex is also a thing of the past, so what is the point in living like that anyway?
CosmoZombie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:42:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, can I get some HIV?
audigex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:07:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shitty grammar, I meant the lifespan of perhaps an unlucky normal person
Although there's some evidence that, due to being so heavily monitored, HIV sufferers may actually be gaining longevity because other health issues are being picked up on much earlier
summonern0x ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember that with AIDS you can live up to five years on average with AZTs.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:52:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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summonern0x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
then it's outdated. i didn't say it was correct, just that it's what i recall.
I'm definitely open to learning more
audigex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That 5 years is more like several decades now
If you contract HIV in your 30s, chances are you'll die of something else
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And with any luck, they'll have a cure long before it even becomes an issue.
Damarkus13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't they had some luck with extracting t-cells, making them HIV-resistant with CISPR and reinjecting them?
summonern0x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right but i was taking about after progression into aids
Pastoss ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 13:42:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ฉ๐
frizzykid ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:56:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, as it is there are drugs in the market where if you want to have a child and you have AIDS/HIV, the drugs make it possible that the baby will not be born with it,
HIV drugs right now are actually pretty good at suppressing the virus, as well as preventing it from spreading to other people,
IrishAl_1987 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:27:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How positive are you about that?
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:35:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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timbitxd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:49:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
เฒ _เฒ
OttawaPSW ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up pills like truvada/PrEP, very effective drugs. Great milestones towards management of the disease.
eneka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The unfortunate side effect is that people on prep thinks it's okay to have risky sex, resulting in more and more STIs like the "super" ghonnerra.
BGage1986 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:02:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not true. Being on PrEP REQUIRES routine testing. Superbugs are caused by hand sanitizers, over prescribing antibiotics, and anti-bacterial soap. People who are on PrEP because they don't want to use condoms wouldn't be using condoms anyway.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:52:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
b o i
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I read somewhere that babies born with HIV oftentimes just sort of... Stop having it. Like the flu. But you'll have to take this pasta dry because I'm too lazy to provide a sauce.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think only one or two babies have ever been cured of HIV. You gotta catch it early in the pregnancy.
jamasiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've made great strides in recent years, you monster.
Eraknelo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dark
Left_Brain_Train ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
V I C I O U S
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you put baby in the corner
RandomIntensifies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, Cuba created a drug that significantly lowers the chance of a mother passing on HIV to her child! Gotta love science
FramesTowers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Babies don't make steps either way
effa94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus christ reddit
RazorSanguineX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:30:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You bloody joker lol ๐ !!
sb120985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody puts Baby in a corner. Am I doing this right?
salt_licker_210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
666 up votes, confirmed you're going to hell for that comment
gwoz8881 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RedditSilver
SeraphimNoted ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:58:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They can cure HIV in babies already
inthedrink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many virgins get one wish and say they want to get to second base?
crnext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only half of them. The other half are guys. /S
rv0celot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:08:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does the baby step your dude?
PinkyBlinky ยท 863 points ยท Posted at 13:19:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly as far as I'm concerned this already exists. Sure you have to take your meds every day, but the expected lifespan of an HIV patient is greater than the average lifespan.
Sounds crazy right? It's because HIV patients are subject to higher levels of medial scrutiny, and since the medication works perfectly - the only impact on lifespan having HIV has comes from the fact that you go to the doctor more often and get more tests done which end up catching unrelated issues.
pangalaticgargler ยท 469 points ยท Posted at 13:43:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest issue according to the HIV/AIDS course I took is (like many things) access.
Noodlefoo ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an HIV medical case manager. Access is actually very easy in the US, with a slight exception to very rural areas. But there are programs in place to cover anyone's HIV medications, antibiotics, and Iabs if they want them.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... In the US.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this. It's much easier to distribute vaccines to poor countries than a constant supply of meds
PinkyBlinky ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 13:44:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I agree, an affordable HIV vaccine would be tremendous for saving lives in the developing world.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:39:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So an end to big pharma? Be real here. Maybe we will find life on another planet. Or perpetual motion. But affordable drugs? That's pure fantasy.
orgy-of-nerdiness ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine is a one time cost though, unlike a drug that has to be taken for the rest of your life (like HIV meds). And we already have affordable vaccines for plenty of diseases. How do you think smallpox was eradicated?
Guaymaster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, not really. Some pathogens evolve too fast for a vaccine to work permanently. That's why we have flu shots every year.
I'm not sure how fast a retrovirus like HIV changes.
Nevertheless, having a method to make HIV vaccines, even if you have to make a new one every year, and make them affordable, would be leaps forward for medicine.
orgy-of-nerdiness ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:22:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The goal with an HIV vaccine is to make it so your body learns to recognize a buried highly conserved region of the virus that doesn't change quickly like the flu does. It would be very difficult for the virus to evolve to not have that region.
ameya2693 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's a difficult balance but we're close to finding what the next economic and governmental system we will have going forward.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha... aw it's fucked that you're probably right
ZeePirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if you live somewhere with good access to healthcare you are telling me it might be a good idea for me to get HIV/AIDs so i can go to the doctor a lot a bit longer?
The_Joe_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In America doctors have been quoted to say that they would rather have HIV than diabetes.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:00:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not America or Doctor but work in infectious diseases. Yes, easily. HIV would have massively fewer consequences to my life than diabetes. Take some drugs (with most likely unnoticeable side effect) every morning. Be a bit more careful having sex. Stop giving blood.
That's kinda it.
(People have pointed out the massive stigma around it as a consequence, which sadly is still the case. It's easy for me to say, in my life it would be fine, but the huge stigma around it would be awful even with living in a major western liberal city, having relatively supportive friends and with me in a stable relationship. For those who are in other communities it could be a nightmare. So yeah, my bad for not saying what should be so obvious.)
The_Joe_ ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's really easy to say living in a first world country. HIV here isn't that scary.
Other parts of the world though it's a different story.
deathnate4 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:37:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Where I'm from HIV/AIDS is the most frightening ailment a person could contract, probably even worse than just straight up dying. Honestly I would pick diabetes over HIV if given the choice. Even while the treatment might be easier, the social stigma is incomparable and is probably one of the most frightening aspects of contracting HIV for me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, totally this. It's easy in the UK with first world healthcare, and were it's not got the stigma among at least some groups. Other parts of the world would be terrible to have it.
Persomnus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm queer. I would rather have diabetes because I won't become a social pariah. I'm already disabled, so being chronically Ill doesn't scare me. Having a disease that makes people afraid to touch or even love me terrifies me.
courtoftheair ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:02:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you could hang out with other HIV+ people.
Persomnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dating pool is already abysmal. I'd rather not have about 5 people and a potato chip to date.
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to give examples of lots of hot hiv+ people but I realised all the ones I can think of are married.
Akitz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would probably prefer diabetes. "Be a bit more careful having sex"? This is presuming you can find people comfortable having sex with someone HIV positive, which is a bit of a long shot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but for me personally, in a long term committed relationship with a partner who understands HIV, with proper healthcare access to HIV drugs that means the virus would be undetectable, would be fine.
If you're on treatment for HIV and responding to the treatment as normal and you're careful having sex, you shouldn't be able to pass on the virus.
Also, diabetes sucks.
gurgle94 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Physician Assistant here. Yeah, HIV medications are terrific for log term survival. They do come with a significant side effect profile too, which can cause other health problems (most notably cardiovascular disease). However, life expectancy is significantly increased and conversion of HIV to AIDS is diminished with these medications. The most notable problem with these medications is that they must be taken in a combination of 3 in order to be effective, and failure to take any of the combination for even as little as 2-3 days may result in the virus becoming resistant to all 3 meds. While a terrific step forward, I would love to see more development of such medications that improves on these weaknesses.
You make a great point with medical scrutiny as well. One of the best ways for anyone to stay healthy is regular follow up with his/her primary care provider for proactive care.
Edit: fixed wording involving resistance risk caused by non-adherence
geckahn ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best med out at the moment, Genvoya, is one pill a day. And has pretty much no side effects. It uses the new tenofivir formulation that gets rid of the long term osteoporosis side effect.
And Before that came out Atripla was very popular, also once a day. Did have serious side effects for some people though. There are a few more once a days. So really what you want is already here
gurgle94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, just looked it up on my medscape app. It looks like a good med. I'm not an ID specialist, so I'm not always aware of these combination meds. It looks good, though. Based on the data from medscape, it looks like it may have a low risk of serious hypercholesterolemia, but at a 7% chance or so, that isn't so bad. Do you know if the price for genvoya is reasonable or not?
geckahn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:02:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 30k a year. Pretty typical for an in patent HIV regimen. So obviously you'll need insurance or ADAP
gurgle94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, insurance is a must for most things. Considering the combination itself, 30k is about on par with other regimens. Thanks for the heads up, I learned about some new combination meds today.
DialMMM ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:34:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a physician assistant here calling bullshit on this.
gurgle94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any particular reason? This is how I learned it in school, and I confirmed this with an infectious disease doc I worked with. I'd be interested in what source you have to that effect.
DialMMM ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is fear-mongering to prevent idiots from creating HIVDR.
gurgle94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIVDR does exist, and limits treatment options in patients that need therapy. HAART (highly active antiretroviral therapy) relies on a combination of meds (or combination meds like genvoya, as someone pointed out) in order for therapy to be effective. As a result, failure to take one for even 2-3 days can lead to the virus becoming resistant to the regimen and all three drugs being useless for that patient and anyone who would get that patient's particular strain of virus.
It is to prevent HIVDR, but failure to consistently take a regimen does, to my knowledge, result in the virus rapidly developing resistance to the medications being used. I don't think I would call it fear mongering, since there doesn't seem to be any deliberate misinformation involved.
DialMMM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cite a case where someone didn't take one of the three drugs in regimen for three days and the virus became HIVDR. I am not saying HIVDR isn't a thing, I am saying the chances of it happening in three days because of cessation of one drug are pretty close to zero. You said it will happen, when in actuality there is a tiny chance that it might happen. That is fear-mongering.
edit: a letter
gurgle94 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't find a specific case for you, just that both the NIH and WHO strongly recommend daily compliance and note poor adherence to treatment as the most significant contributor to resistance. That being said, I agree that saying "will" is a misstatement. However, I've spoken with a specialist who treats HIV that states failure to take the medication for more than 2-3 days will prompt them to switch therapy for fear of HIVDR developing.
It was a longer post, and you're right that saying "will" as a definite is an overstatement. It's still risky enough that adherence is taken very seriously, however.
ed_merckx ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there are more and more developments that would make just the simple process of taking your continuing medication easier. Right now a lot of the development I've seen has been getting the medicine into an easier to administer form, such as an injection you receive once every other month from your doctor, and eventually you can get it once a year after continued administration.
I think that unlike say Hep C (which we can now cure 99% of) the, "we can technically cure you" is the route HIV will go and has been going in the modern world. Are you "cured" if by taking a pill the virus is undetectable and probably can't be transferred. What if we have an advanced enough vaccine where you can administer it once every five years and basically cures you or makes you immune from HIV. Put that in everyone's routine of flu shots and everything else.
Glitch_King ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:08:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speaking from experience this is very true, I take 3 pills every day and it gives me a bit of vertigo about an hour after I take them, and that is pretty much it.
I take them just before bed the same time every night so the only thing it really affects is that if I've been gaming instead of going to bed when I should I get the vertigo and head to bed then. So it has actively stabilized my sleep schedule. Quite the unexpected benefit to being diagnosed with HIV I have to admit.
I would love for a cure to be developed of course (fingers crossed for CRISPR), but I'm in no great hurry :)
Neato ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:38:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about quality of life? I take a small dose of medications and the side effects can be pretty discomforting. Also this would be called a treatment instead of a cure.
ZergAreGMO ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:33:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't currently exist but the pieces are falling into place. Due to how damn difficult it is to eradicate a pathogen that your body codes for like any other gene, it's about as difficult as something like Cystic Fibrosis to 'cure'.
That said, the theoretical steps that you need to take are being done at least on an in vitro level with the advent of CRISPR/Cas9 being used to treat infectious disease and genetic abnormalities alike.
In my mind, a functional bonafide cure would look something like this:
Person who tests positive is put on anti-retrovirals ASAP to bring titers to zero and prevent further corruption of immune cells already in circulation.
Use CRISPR/Cas9 to excise and remove 'functional' viral genome from as many of those already-infected immune cells as possible.
Use tools that induce targeted apoptosis (cell death) in those cells that have HIV genomes but cannot be 'saved'
Voila! That is what a functional cure might look like. Each of the above steps has been done to some degree in a lab currently. The fine-tuning of each could take a long time, however, and combination therapy even longer, potentially. But it's no longer a hand-waivey 'magic' therapy we haven't dreamt up anymore.
OhMyTruth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but HIV meds aren't without adverse effects. Not to mention the cost of lifelong care and treatment. Prevention (including a potential vaccine) is better than lifelong treatment.
aLurchi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:01:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is hard to believe. Do you have any source for that?
If true, it might just as well be because most people get infected as an adult and the expected lifespan of an adult is greater than the average lifespan.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An infected individual is expected to visit the doctor 3-4 times a year and have bloodwork done each time.
Because of this, alongside the requirement for a better diet and mindset, HIV patients are expected to live longer because those doctor visits will catch any problems with the patient's health.
aLurchi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I understand the point he made, I'm just inclined not to believe that. However, a good source could change that.
And I assume we are talking about rich people? Because so far both of you didn't say otherwise.
Wagnerian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:18:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately no. People on those meds have myriad of meds related issues and problems, and it doesn't stop all the symptoms of HIV. My friend, for example, lost function of his kidneys due to some HIV related thing that affect black people only. He has to do 3 hour dialysis every day... which has it's own medical complications.
Other friends have significant HIV drug related bone-loss... and on and on really. It's not an easy road getting HIV, still. There needs to be a vaccine.
maddieafterdentist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your friends most likely took a drug that contained the old formulations of tenofovir. For what it's worth, the new formulation that is currently being used in the most popular HIV drugs like Genvoya are much less toxic to kidneys and bones.
Wagnerian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:57:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless, having HIV has many complications, drug related or otherwise.
maddieafterdentist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not incorrect, but if you take the pill every day those complications are greatly minimized. The vast majority of patients who are adherent become virally suppressed and generally their CD4 counts will move into normal range. It's become an extremely manageable disease, and the drugs are becoming better and better to lessen the side effects.
Wagnerian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... All those myriad 'complications', such as one's kidneys giving out, or the unknown effects of new drugs are so 'managable'...
I call bullshit on what you seem to be trying to say here.
I_MELT_STEEL_BEAMS ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:10:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please don't spread this. HIV patients who receive treatment are also getting cancer a lot more often amd have to take a cocktail of drugs with nasty side effects for the rest of their lives. If you don't have insurance coverage for it, your life expectancy isn't that great. HIV / AIDS still kills millions yearly across the world, most infected don't have access to treatment and often die of ancillary infections (remember, it destroys your immune system).
maddieafterdentist ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:48:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a med student, working in an HIV clinic doing research for the summer. Saying "cocktail of drugs" isn't entirely accurate. The majority of patients in the clinic I work at are on a 1 pill/ day regimen for their HIV. Most of the remainder are on a 2 pill/day regimen. Furthermore, most of the side effects are pretty mild. The reason that HIV positive patients are getting different cancers and opportunistic infections is because they are not virally suppressed, so their CD4 counts (a measure of how many T helper cells there are, which the HIV selectively attacks) are low. But most patients who consistently take their pill a day will have normal or near normal CD4 counts. I've seen HIV patients with CD4 counts over 1000. In addition, there will be so few copies of the virus that it will literally be "undetectable" in their bloodstream. Furthermore, if you don't have insurance, you can get on a program that will pay for your medications, visits and labs. In my state, Pennsylvania, this program is called SPBP and it covers people making less than or equal to 500% of the federal poverty line.
I_MELT_STEEL_BEAMS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world is not limited to the USofA. The HIV/AIDS epidemic is still raging in Africa for example.
maddieafterdentist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:46:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was never arguing that it was. You're correct in that Africa has a major HIV problem, but I never was disputing that part of the argument. I was disputing your statements that "HIV patients who receive treatment are also getting cancer a lot more often amd have to take a cocktail of drugs with nasty side effects for the rest of their lives. If you don't have insurance coverage for it, your life expectancy isn't that great" because those statements are misleading.
meme-com-poop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, it's cool if we have sex. Sure, I have HIV, but it's basically cured.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well when your viral load is undetectable because you're regularly taking your medications, the chance of transmission become ridiculously small (they're not very high to begin with), so it's not as far-fetched as it sounds. Obviously that shouldn't be encouraged, and people with HIV should always use protection, but you'd be surprised at the amount of negative people in serodiscordant couples who are okay with unprotected sex.
meme-com-poop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:02:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I know that if you're on medication and being monitored, the risks of infecting others is really low. My whole point was pretty much good luck convincing someone else of that when you're trying to fuck them.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying that there is a non-insignificant amount of people who actually do willingly have unprotected sex with an HIV-positive partner even with the knowledge of the risks. Generally speaking this happens within a monogamous trusting relationship. It's not ideal but it is interesting to think about
courtoftheair ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only reason you'd be doing that is if it's with a new person and you should always use a protection then anyway...
Persomnus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would have sex with someone who was HIV+ and taking medication if I knew them well. I can't trust that a stranger takes the medicine correctly, but if I'm dating him or have been friends for a long time I can make a good judgement on how responsible they are.
meme-com-poop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the key. If you're already in a relationship, you're probably good. I imagine it would be pretty tough finding a new partner in that situation though, unless they're also HIV positive.
ZacQuicksilver ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're careful, the chance of transmissions is basically 0. There are several couples that are publicly out as half-HIV (one has HIV, the other doesn't) with an active sex life going on decades (starting in the late 90's; when the treatment first got good).
Granted, for heterosexual couples, it means that kids is probably out of the question; but other than that, there isn't much of an issue.
thedevilsyogurt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have HIV and this isnโt true. The antiretrovirals that I take everyday are to hiv what chemo/radiation therapy is to cancer. They are so powerful that they damage everything, not just the virus. The medication alone negatively affects my bone density, kidneys and liver. Causes digestive issues and leaves me generally weak as fatigued. Not a single doctor or infectious disease specialist has told me my life expectancy is longer than average. The meds have definitely gotten better over the years, weโve come a long way but theyโre still basically poison
PinkyBlinky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you take a protease inhibitor or a reverse transcriptase inhibitor. I'm talking about protease inhibitors.
thedevilsyogurt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh ok. I take stribild which is a transcriptase inhibitor
Souljaboy-tellem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
daamn you have hiv at 20??
thedevilsyogurt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. I contracted it when I was 17
Souljaboy-tellem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dang that sucks wish you the best...
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is a more direct cure but it has a success rate of 10% or so and is often only risked when they found leukemia as well
Wyvernz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming you're talking about HSCT, simply undergoing the procedure has a mortality rate of >1/4, so even if it was 100% effective it wouldn't be worth the risk given how effective our treatments for HIV are.
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but to be fair it does cure AIDS permanently
Tar_alcaran ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kilking germs is easy. Fire and bullets do a great job, soaking every cell in bleach also does wonders. Killing germs without killing the patient, that's the hard part
RQK1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
relevant XKCD
tntmod54321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe i'll have quarterly check-ups, would love to live to see a few things ITT.
Hertubise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here in the US, your access to those meds depends on your financial situation and what aid you can get to pay for them. The best/most popular HIV medication, Atripla, costs about 3K/month. If you don't have insurance or can't find payment assistance: you're screwed.
garrettgs297 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like it could very well be true, but do you have a source for that?
Coders32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true, but people with HIV still have other risks like HIV dementia
filled_with_bees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if you're in the US, have fun with tons of massive medical bills
jpropaganda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also there's a preventative daily pill that you can take as well.
itsagunrack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:39 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true. At the clinical level the treatment is so effective that it has actually diminished the need for a cure.
angrypotato1 ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 12:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have good ways to manage it now, and experimental+circumstantial cures
friend_jp ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccines are the cure to viral plagues. An effective and widely available Vaccine would act as a cure mechanism by eliminating the virus in it's reservoir, just like Smallpox. I know a vaccine is not much use to those already HIV + but we also are making a lot of headway, it seems on suppressing those infections as well.
BrownFedora ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:26:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine can be enough. One does not lead to another. Example: polio. We've had polio vaccines for several generations but never found a cure. I don't think we've even come close to a cure or even decent treatment for polio.
audigex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine is a cure, if used properly. When was the last time you caught smallpox?
cynicalbrit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure manages a disease. A vaccine ends it.
You get a cure and you have to deal with massive access problems. And because the disease will persist around the world, and any cure is likely to be very expensive, who knows how long charities will be able to keep it up. Especially as it becomes considered a solved problem in the western world and donations for it stop. Plus the longer you treat it with this one cure, the more likely a resistant HIV strain is to emerge.
Get a proper, broad spectrum vaccine (and the efforts of some research groups have put us closer than you might think), and you need one big charitable push and a decent amount of follow up, and the disease will be gone. In the case of HIV I wouldn't expect this to be as straightforward as for smallpox or polio. There will be some escape strains and people whose immune systems don't respond properly. However, the vaccine would still take HIV from a worldwide epidemic to something much more isolated that can be managed/cured as it arises.
JB_UK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV writes itself into your DNA. It's going to be pretty difficult to undo that permanently.
serbeardless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine is actually easier. A vaccine might have the additional bonus of being a functional cure, i.e. the virus is not eliminated from the body, but is effectively suppressed by the individual's immune system without the aid of antiretroviral drugs.
SheolCodeMonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have a vaccine
Reddy_McRedcap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But where is the money in that? /s
jonasnee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
were pretty much already there, there exist people in the western world who has HIV but can get children without it, have sex without risk of of transferring it and can live their lives perfectly normal.
casmatt99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't be selfish. Pharmaceutical companies are struggling just as much as Africa
_MicroWave_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already exists tbh. Medication very effectively controls the disease to the point where it is no longer contagious. Just get the drugs out there and it will be eradicated. Diabetes is more of a concern and has a much worse prognosis for instance.
Sislar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if there is a vaccine the infection rate would drop to near zero and would be a rare thing after one generation.
Quaaraaq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine is sort of a type of cure, it would just take 70+ years to completely disappear.
tehgoodsucc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think realistically
mkay1911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More money in a treatment than a cure. Sadly, that's the way of the world.
sturace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't mean to be harsh, but starting with a vaccine, you end up with a cure once everyone who doesn't already have it is vaccinated, plus about 80 years....
Gotham94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's saying he just wants to be able to fuck people with HIV
DangerouslyUnstable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion, a vaccine, which would prevent you from ever contracting, is better than a cure, which fixes it after you get it. Now, since no vaccine is ever perfect, it would be great to have both, but if we have to pick one or the other, I'll go with vaccine. Vaccines, not cures, are what eradicated smallpox and have nearly eradicated polio.
Breakinfinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They cured in in mice so it's actually likely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they are getting close.
paxgarmana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think a cute would be easier, too
thepikey7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can a virus be "cured"? I thought they always had to run its course.
nagrom7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've got that, you just gotta inject about $10,000 directly into your bloodstream.
Geoform ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccine is better than cure
Prevention > treatment
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nooo then there's nothing to stop the gays from having sex!!
makesyougohmmm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No need to be rude.
Ndemco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can already get HIV to nigh undetectable levels. If you catch it before it becomes AIDS you can live a long, healthy, normal life. AFAIK.
lolygagger123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that a vaccine is a straight up cure?
the_humeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccine would easier than a cure, just like for rabies.
KiltedScott ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doubt it, given that we've cured exactly zero viruses.
Spazattack43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are already working on a sort of cure using CRISPR which is fucking awesome
mediocrity_defined ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have the vaccine. Less likely to develop resistance
ShadeofIcarus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccines can be more powerful than a cure. Especially for something that can remain hidden and can be spread like HIV. See polio for a good example.
Person A has HIV and doesn't know it. Person B has sex with person A. Then has sex with person C. Person A finds out, but who knows how many people are infected at that point.
If person B was vaccinated, it stops the spread. Along with the suppression meds we have, it makes it just as good as a cure.
ShameNap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the money in that ?
thetotalhermit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's totally possible very soon. Read a study the other day where scientists have actually developed HIV-resistant cells.
brando56894 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no money in a cure. You don't think they've developed one by now (it's been over 30 years)? Same goes for many forms of cancer.
Why have someone pay $50,000 once for a cure when you can milk them for $20,000 on a monthly basis for years to come? Deadly/terminal diseases are big money for the pharmaceutical and healthcare industries, it's well known that the Susan G. Komen Foundation for Breast Cancer is one of the shittiest organizations out there because most of what they do is just rake in cash because people think that they're actually helping the fight against cancer, when in reality less than 50% actually goes to things that would actually prevent cancer or advance the fight against cancer. Most of it goes into their pockets (Susan's sister, the CEO, takes a 400k a year salary), and the rest goes to marketing and fundraisers...which mostly go right back into the company. PornHub wanted to donate $20,000 to them one year for breast cancer awareness month and they refused the money because they didn't want to be associated with a porn site. That tells you right there that they don't give a fuck about the disease itself, all they care about is their image and their continued ability to make money off of it.
You have to be careful when donating to these companies or buying "pink-washed" stuff because they say "a portion of the purchase price goes to xyz charity or foundation" but what they almost never tell you is the percentage, which is something stupid like 1% or 0.1%. So if you buy a pink-washed deodorant for $5, they may give a whole 5 cents to cancer research, wonderful huh?
Brintyboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a vaccine is better than a cure.... surely not being able to contract aids in the first place is better than getting and treating it.
trunner101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so close to a cure already. In one of my med classes our professor said that her rather have HIV than type 2 diabetes because HIV is so much easier to manage (as long as you're compliant with medication).
mudra311 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And have insurance, which seems to be the crux of the issue. The most people with HIV/AIDS are living in poverty.
trunner101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least where I'm at, the clinic will give medication away for free or financial assistance to those who can't pay for it :) Pittsburgh has some great programs like this. HIV is a public health issue and has a lot of good national grants to help out specialty clinics.
Noodlefoo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an HIV medical case manager. These programs are from a federal fund called Ryan White. Anyone in the US with HIV can have their labs, doctor visits, and anything else HIV related paid with these funds. There is also ADAP, which pays for people's HIV meds and antibiotics they need. Lack of insurance isn't an issue for people with HIV in the states since these programs pay for all their treatment. My program will even pay insurance premiums for the people on our carloads so they have access to regular medical care as well. And if all that isn't enough, every HIV medication I'm aware of has a PAP program through the pharmaceutical company that will also pay for the medication and/or the co-pays if you show financial need.
bongstian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR is you friend then.
OgreSpider ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because vaccines exist and antiviruses exist but "cure" is not a medical term. Disease is treated successfully, not cured.
corvus_curiosum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We might have it. IIRC a guy got a bone marrow transplant an I think some other stuff an it cured his HIV. They're trying to figure out why it worked, I could have been that the guy who donated the marrow was special, or that the new white blood cells from the new marrow were fighting his original cells that were infected.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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corvus_curiosum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not unless we're talking about different people.
https://amp.livescience.com/48015-berlin-patient-hiv-treatment.html
Shatenburgers ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:21:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already found one. If every person with HIV was killed it would no longer be an issue.
theitgrunt ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey have that... it's called money...
trenchcoatler ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why cure when you can bill them for life?
MrStarfox64 ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 12:54:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV is a virus, you can't cure it with antibiotics so curing it would be a lot more difficult. Bacterial infections are easy to cure because most antibiotics don't do anything to your own cells, but virus's are way more resilient and require either an immune system to take care of them, or some sort of virucide to kill them, and that stuff is hella toxic to humans. So a cure isn't likely, the only possibilities for a cure would be an experience roughly equivalent to or even worse than chemotherapy but for HIV (iirc this has been done with some babies and they actually became HIV free), or an artificial immune response from something like engineered nanobots, but clearly neither of these options are viable right now.
StinkyBrittches ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:24:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is very very uninformed.
MrStarfox64 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:27:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That could be very true, I am certainly nowhere near being an expert. This was just what my understanding of the current situation was like, corrections are welcome :)
TheMetaphorer ยท 558 points ยท Posted at 12:54:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great now I'll have autism and HIV /s
Reiseoftheginger ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 13:07:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Just autism ;)
Gibslayer ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:31:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And full blown AIDS.
devilsephiroth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/raniSkRLa14
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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devilsephiroth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh snap it is!
HarrysonTubman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish it were something less serious.
friend_jp ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 13:33:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're joking but I'll 100% risk autism in my child if it means preventing them from dying an agonizing slow death.
TacBandit ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:38:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, there's no risk of autism.
friend_jp ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:42:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I know I'm just saying the anti-vaxx argument is a moot point because autism is far more preferable to watching children die from shit like Pertussis, which at my job I have.
surrounded_by_ghosts ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:51:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My siblings and I all had pertussis despite being vaccinated. It's nasty.
Also to play devil's advocate. I've worked with autistic individuals who are on the extreme low end of the spectrum. These individuals live in pain. Several of my clients had permanent bone and skull malformations because all they did was self abuse. Screaming all day every day. Nothing helped. No amount of drugs. One client was on heavy levels of haldol simply because without it he would smash his own head into the wall over and over and over. Trying to restrain or help him resulted in him turning that aggression on staff. And no end to it. This was going to be their lives.
When you've seen that level of torment and pain... death seems more merciful.
TacBandit ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:43:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole antivax argument disgusts me
friend_jp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah
Foxmanded42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autism isn't even a risk. Most autistics are perfectly productive members of society, and the rest are blissfully unaware of everything going on
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Foxmanded42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To each their own, kitkat. I was trying to say that autism is different for everyone and is most of the time not good or bad, but could be either. I just hate when people make no true scotsman fallacies based around autistics who are worse off than others
ittimjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it just sounds like ur an imgurian to me.
Kitkat69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's that?
ittimjones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people who prefer imgur over reddit
Kitkat69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:00:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't imgur just an image hosting website?
Stalwart-Lover ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, the jokes on them.
friend_jp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True
thiscnidocyte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many people on the spectrum do you know? Are they all high functioning with degrees and jobs and just off social skills? A lot of people on the spectrum cannot work because they get too anxious and stressed and have to go on disability. The low functioning autistic people often self harm. Many commit suicide. The "blissfully unaware" ones might just look unaware but are imprisoned in their bodies.
Foxmanded42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know half and half of each.
PhillipJGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should join gayretards
ittimjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how about an autism vaccine?
nerevisigoth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only downside is it causes HIV.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That breaks the matrix.
DannyBright ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:43:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's kind of impossible because autism is a neurological disorder, meaning there are physical abnormalities with the brain's wiring. So unless you can come up with a vaccine that straight-up re-wires something as unimaginably complex as the human brain, you're out of luck.
ittimjones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's a dish towards "anti-vaxxers"
camotomato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im fucking screaming over here.
KittenStrong ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 13:27:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We sorta have it now in daily pill form
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Noodlefoo ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:43:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the US it's not too expensive since we have programs that will cover 100% of the cost of medication, labs, and appointments for HIV patients. I can't speak to other countries and how they do things.
PrEP should be covered more frequently, though programs are slowly being introduced to provide this for HIV negative at risk individuals.
It definitely shouldn't be sold OTC because there is too much important monitoring that needs to be done by medical professionals and people need to understand that if they don't use a certain HIV medication appropriately it can cause the virus to become resistant to medications which leads to drug resistant stains.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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factoid_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:13:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a stupid question. There are some things viruses and bacteria simply cannot acquire resistance to and still retain their original properties. I dont' know the answer to this specific question, but it's not a dumb question to ask.
For example, no matter how long you try exposing them to it, bacteria will never become resistant to alcohol. It's just chemistry. Bacteria are surrounded by a lipid membrane. Ethyl alcohol dissolves it on contact. It would require a fundamental change to their biology to become resistant at which point they would stop being what they are.
Noodlefoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To my knowledge there aren't any HIV medications that don't become resistant after continued misuse. This is why doctors run genotypes prior to prescribing an HIV medication and why labs are done regularly to monitor CD4 and viral load.
optkr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we use the medications so freely, highly resistant strains will develop and none of them will work. Same idea as antibiotic stewardship.
Also, these meds aren't entirely safe. There are some very severe drug interactions that could kill someone, not to mention their own potential toxicities.
Edit: just saw the response above, nice work
rhllor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting it for free (at least for 2 years), but I'm in a developing country so that's the downside lol.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:19:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KittenStrong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truvada alone is preventative, not treatment
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KittenStrong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:36:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah.. sexually active individuals that have access to prevent a life threatening virus MUST be hookers.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KittenStrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is taken daily because the drug must inhibit receptor sites to prevent the virus from entering the T cells. Any uninhibited sites are viable for viral insertion. Thus, it works through daily consumption to ensure this doesn't happen. It doesn't act like the morning after pills you're probably used to taking. Taking a pill only when you think you're about to get laid will effectively do nothing for you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but you can use it like vaccine. Antiretroviral drugs also prevent infections. E.g. if your partner is HIV positive and you're not both of you taking drugs can be a reasonable approach.
With good treatment infections are actually close to impossible.
aris_ada ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:55:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are very close to this one. Maybe a few years before it's open to the general public.
DontTouchMyRaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:43:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Source?
aris_ada ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:39:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is this one: https://www.sciencealert.com/one-of-the-first-hiv-vaccines-will-move-onto-phase-ii-trials-in-2017
I also found a reference to a British one, and another in France. The French one was privately-funded and may have been a little too much optimistic.
broostenq ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:22:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is way closer than you might think. An organization in my city (Fenway Health in Boston) is already doing trials for an HIV vaccine. I know there's a similar study being done in San Francisco.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:07:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be cured within probably a year or two. Honestly. We're so close.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, this is so wrong.
We're decades from an HIV cure.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not according to the Doctors that specialize in HIV that come speak regularly in my medical classes at University.
tradingten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
username checks out
NicolasGuacamole ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 11:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The more vaccines the merrier.
helpinghat ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 12:46:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like we need more autistic people around.
theBuddhaofGaming ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/s? Please?
EredarLordJaraxxus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:43:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a link earlier this week on reddit about scientists making HIV immune cells, so we're getting there
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:11:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you live for another 10yrs you will see it
HIT_THE_SACK_JACK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:14:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always wonder in what ways an HIV cure would change the world. Like, how it would affect society today...
Dirk-Killington ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More butt sex.
pm_me_your_taintt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More unprotected butt sex.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV isn't the only problem there.
pm_me_your_taintt ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:35:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arguably HIV is the only problem there that's unacceptable. At least I think.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All sexualy transmited desises can be transmitted through anal sex. The fact that most can be cured or treated doesn't mean that there won't be long lasting conciquences for your body. You could become impotent and/or get cancer(even HPV can couse this). Cancer is unacceptable, at least, I think.
Sexual education should be tought in schools.
at1445 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't change a thing in the US. 1.2 million diagnosed since the early 80's...only 12k deaths in 2014, and that's just deaths of people with HIV, not because they had it.
stromboli7 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they have cured HIV for some. i hope this will come soon!
Gromitzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean a vaccine with HIV or one against HIV?
FuckMeBernie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preped is kinda a vaccine. You take it and the chances of you becoming infected is like less than 1%. You have to keep taking it though it's not like a 1 time shot but it is effective
shamawala ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to r/futurology there have been hundreds of vaccines produced in the past year
pm_me_your_taintt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
according to /r/Futurology every problem in this thread has been cured a hundred times over.
punriffer5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check the news, they have a bunch of promising things that they think will work now, just going through the decade long trials and such.
excelfiend93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is something being rolled out in the UK, basically you take it like birth control and it makes you immune, google "Prep UK"
Noodlefoo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:48:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just known as PrEP more widely and had been out for some years now. It's stands for "Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis" and is the HIV medication "Truvada." You have to take it everyday for 6 weeks before it is safely in your system and you're supposed to continue taking the daily pill as long as you're potentially at risk.
excelfiend93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:02:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting to know, from what i read it made it sound it made it sound much simpler. Is it still meant to be preventative opposed to managing symptoms?
Noodlefoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:05:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. PrEP/Truvada can function as both preventative and a regular HIV medication.
Stayathomepyrat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
getting closer to this one. inovio is the company. the stock isn't bad either.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given all of the roadblocks thus far for HIV I sincerely doubt we'll be able to make a vaccine. Typically we use chunks of the virus/bacteria/toxin that are easily identified by the body's immune system when making it, but HIV is incredibly good at masking itself which is why it's so efficient at doing what it does - this is why all of the vaccines for HIV we've attempted to make thus far have failed.
checkmate3001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep seeing ads on facebook for some preventative HIV medicine. Take a pill once a day. (all the ads remind me of is someone taking LSD tho because it's just pictures of people with something blue on their tongue)
1playerpiano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you're seeing an ad for is a drug commonly known as PrEP. It stands for Pre-exposure prophylaxis. Basically, we have taken existing HIV medicines, tweaked them just a bit, and it has shown fantastic results at preventing transmission of HIV. It's not 100% effective, but it's definitely in the high 90's. The brand name of the drug is Truveda (I think). Check it out. Its prescribed for HIV- people who are at higher risk of contracting HIV (i.e. gay people who have a lot of unprotected sex, HIV- people in relationships with HIV+ people, IV drug users, ect). It's a daily pill that requires a lot of checkups from a doctor, and we are still researching the effect on transmission reduction. Basically, this is the first step. Inform people about it! The more we can stop the spread of HIV the easier it will be for us to someday eradicate it.
checkmate3001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I made the mistake of telling some of my friends I'm seeing these ads. None of them are and there was some speculation that I'm seeing them because, perhaps, facebook has identified that I'm close friends (or more) with someone who may have HIV.
This was the article they brought up: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/04/02/could-facebook-reveal-which-your-friends-has-std.html
lovely_red_snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a drug called Truvada which can be taken now as both a preventive and post exposure.
at1445 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also Magic. Magic cures HIV.
Yojimbosama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Second babyboom right there.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got a friend who is positive but naturally immune. It's pretty cool
pussydestroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.lfpress.com/2016/12/01/western-university-developed-hiv-vaccine-ready-for-human-trials
check this out, they recently moved to phase 2 human trials. If you have any questions, I may be able to answer them. He gave some guest lectures that I attended.
abutthole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PrEP might be the closest we come to that, but it's still so effective.
Gumby621 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's well on it's way. There's a lot of very promising research.
CalvinGottaJob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks magic
Lost_in_costco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They sort of have something like that already.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/hiv-prevention/using-hiv-medication-to-reduce-risk/pre-exposure-prophylaxis
Yerok-The-Warrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, great!!!!!! Yet another vaccine to piss of anti-vaxxers!
leroyyrogers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIVV
jpropaganda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There IS a daily pill that you can take that prevents you from getting HIV. It's called Prep.
Anarcho_Cyndaquilist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Cuban medical service is currently conducting clinical trials of an HIV vaccine.
There are several sources and news stories about this, here is one:
http://m.jamaicaobserver.com/news/Cuba-begins-clinical-trial-of-HIV-vaccine
sewankambo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine would be amazing. If no vaccine, access to drugs for those who have it to suppress the virus to where it can't spread and eventually let it die off as those who have it pass (with as high of quality of life possible).
Equoniz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not actually a vaccine, but PrEP is pretty damn close. And there is at least one new form being tested (I'm in the clinical trial for it) that is a bi-monthly injection rather than a daily pill which makes it easier to do for a lot of people.
JakeHassle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember correctly, there is supposedly going to be a vaccine to help make antibodies for part of the virus in 3-5 years. But it's not going to treat the actual disease.
trident_of_rivers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR cas9
SailorRalph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.npr.org/2017/01/23/511165527/researchers-have-high-hopes-for-new-hiv-vaccine-trial-in-south-africa
It's near. Now don't fuck up and kill your liver with all your drinking due to the depression you developed while completing your PhD in applied sciences.
downonthesecond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV and AIDS are no longer death sentences.
Ganjiste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think HIV vaccine would be necessary, HIV is actually pretty weak and we could easily make it go extinct
mclendenin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erm... we already have that.
beformless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the old ebola?
Vecrin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably can't be done. Retroviruses mutate way to fast for vaccines. Think of influenza. Each year you get new mutations which are accounted for in the vaccine. Now think if the flu could create a new strain every few weeks. That is the problem. We have come up with multiple treatments that treat or cure for a few weeks, but due to how sloppily the virus meshes it's DNA with yours, and how sloppily it creates new virions, the virus quickly mutates. So vaccines probably wouldn't be a good treatment or cure at all (unless you got it every few weeks).
jewbotbotbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've got Pre Exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP) now, as well as new generation anti-retroviral drugs which are well tolerated. So at the moment new infections and potential exposure are covered adequately - assuming everyone is compliant with their medication.
Vaccines may not be long off, but we're not doing too terrible without them.
RayMaN139 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!! I want to fuck without worry!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
as
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My belief is that there is a good chance with Genetic Engineering and CRISPER.
Fyrhtu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called "heterosexuality and not sharing needles."
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But vaccines are dangerous! /s
Phil_Drill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear I see an article every month or so saying someone cured a person of HIV/AIDS. Gets posted to r/science of course. And then, somehow, HIV/AIDS is not actually cured.
Its_a_Trap- ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:24:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be one of the greatest discoveries in history.
kekito3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:50:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao, how do you even say that? There has been at least 100 discoveries just in medicine that are hugely bigger than that.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kekito3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:24:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it would be remarkable, but it wouldn't be "one of the greatest discoveries in history" (including every discovery in every aspect of mankind).
Talking specifically about medical ones, there have been huge milestones in our history (penicillin, radiography (and the rest of imaging techniques including CT and MRI), pain killers (from +3000 years ago, to recent centuries), vaccines...). The list is as long as you want it to be, and every of them would be bigger than discovering the cure for HIV. It's a disease that we can already manage perfectly (if the treatment is available, like in developed countries), and the deaths worldwide are lower than compared to TB for example (including every HIV-related cause of death). For instance, a succesful vaccine to prevent TB would be much more impactful. Also take into account, that an HIV cure would probably be remarkably expensive (like current HepC curative treatment, and couldn't make into underdeveloped countries at all (unlike most vaccines are)). Lastly, the HIV cure might help resolve the mystery of retrovirus, but other than HIV, they are not especially relevant (other than HTLV-1 being a risk factor for a type of lymphoma).
All of this is said without even considering the rest of the discoveries in mankind history (technology, art, architecture...). It would have been considered before the developing of HAART, but now it's an absolute ridiculous claim.
BatmanIsSmartAf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In history - absolutely agree with you.
In the past 50 years in medicine (as I claimed) I'm not sure. Penicillin, many imaging techniques, painkillers, many of the vaccines are older than 50 years.
This isn't fair to say. It would be huge if we found a cure for malaria, even though we have effective prevention and treatment options available in the first world. In many African countries, life expectancy was lowered from 65 to 35 because of HIV/AIDS.
I have to completely disagree here. As previously mentioned, lentiviruses are an exciting area of research, which wouldn't have been possible without attempting to cure HIV. People are excited about CRISPR (rightfully so), but the error rate is incredibly high. While CRISPR studies seem to be getting the most funding, HIV-derived lentiviral vectors are more effective in genetic modification.
Overall, I agree with your point. If considering all the discoveries in mankind's history, HIV absolutely wouldn't be anywhere near the top 100. But if you consider the past 50 years in medicine (as I posited in my original post), I absolutely think a cure for HIV would be in the top 100.
kekito3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, I completely agree with you. Hopefully we can keep going forward. Have a good day!
BatmanIsSmartAf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You too! Thanks for the nice convo :)
PinkyBlinky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you say that?
frozenHelen ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:22:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The person who discovers the cure will feel more elation than I can imagine, but I also know that a few days later he's going to reach into his pocket, find $20 he didn't know he had, and think "Whoa, this is the greatest discovery ever!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what will actually happen is that the guy who discovers the cure will be murdered by big pharma.
berock212 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:23:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you guys just think big pharma kills anyone who makes any significant medical discovery?
-WallyWest- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can alreaady hear the anti-vaxxer mom xD
TheSpasticGremlin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres already a vaccine, don't put your dick in a dudes butt
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to say this, but HIV is actually playing a massive part in keeping the population down in overpopulated places like South African slums. I've seen the way these people live and the last thing any of them or any of their surroundings need is a chance for the people to repopulate, because if they can, they most certainly will. Unfortunately it's incredibly difficult to provide them with sexual education, so fear is the only way to slow it down. That and (I hate saying this) the death it causes too.
1playerpiano ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what miraculous solution helps prevent unwanted pregnancies and also helps prevent the transition of a life threatening STI like HIV? Condoms. Family planning. We need to put more money in that rather than using HIV as the "overpopulation solution" because that's barbaric. It's only difficult to provide them with sex ed because there isn't enough money involved.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish this could work, but these people have no sexual education, they have no access to condoms or contraception and there is no existing family planning. South Africa is an undeveloped country with hundreds of millions of unimaginably poor people and an incredibly corrupted government that frankly couldn't give less of a shit about the lower class.
There are so many efforts by corporations and charities outside of the government that are doing their best to help provide sex ed, condoms/contraception and family planning, but it's like a bottle of water against a forest fire. I admire these people greatly for what they do but, without funding, there is not much they can do.
I understand how monstrous the idea of using STDs as a population reduction technique sounds, but until we can find a solution for the whole country, and until the higher powers get their ass in gear, it's the only feasible option.
1playerpiano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the part where I repeat what I said:
Other countries should work to help developing regions of the world. It's kinda our humanitarian obligation. So, more money pushed into these programs and we will see more results.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like an amazing idea, just wish it would happen.
1playerpiano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It starts with the individual. Find an organization that represents what you believe in and donate to it. I do that with several organizations. They're not huge donations, but if 100k people each donate 1 dollar, that's 100k a month that the organization didn't have. Non-profits don't rely on huge donations, they rely more on smaller and regular recurring donations from average people like us.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's probably the best a Reddit comment has turned out for me. I don't appear to have very popular opinions. Thanks for your input. I'll definitely put more effort into charity as soon as I can.
1playerpiano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always enjoy a productive dialogue on Reddit. Unfortunately, it's too easy to just downvote and leave, or disagree and be condescending (which I kinda was even in this thread). The internet is filled with possibilities, so it's up to us to make the best of it. :)
(also, i've had so much caffeine... i'm giddy with energy... I can't stop typing and replying to people. Send help.)
TheUser4WhenImDrunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get like that for the first hour when I take my ADHD medications
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we collectively prevented the behaviors that spread it we could all but purge it from the first world in 2 generations. We already know how to prevent it.
RayPawPawTate ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 13:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The all but have one now. Its so easy to fight it off now that gay people are forming unprotected sex piles in the clubs again. They just aren't afraid of it anymore. I hope they don't just cook up something worse by doing that. Probably gonna be bacterial in nature this time. Already a lot of infected and untreatable hiney infections happening.
1playerpiano ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:13:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... HIV is a virus... it literally cannot be "bacterial in nature". Nor will it ever be. Educate yourself a bit.
RayPawPawTate ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, obvously. Thats why is said the NEXT one is going to be bacterial in nature. We got the Virus problem under control, but they are cooking up some ugly MRSA Staph in those sex piles. Bacteria is a bigger threat to the gay community than Virus are at this point. You get somma that MRSA in your butt, and see how fast it cooks that hole.
BTW: It's already happening now.. Educate yourself by reading up on it, and then come back and lecture me some more.
1playerpiano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is some of the strangest stuff I've read online in ages.
RayPawPawTate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's strange for sure.. And its not just the butt lovers that taking it too lightly. Even hetero jukers are letting guards down.. There is a new birth control that involves gluing you weenie hole together so the sperm doesn't come out.. And women using Plan B as their plan a. Neither stop the spread of anything nasty.. Oh but who cares, Magic Johnson is aids free so guess we can do whatever now. Lets just cook up som Antibiotic-resistant gonorrhoe and fill my overy with HPV.. Aids aint shit!
1playerpiano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like you're trolling.
RayPawPawTate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really.. I just talk that way online. Started when I was a BBS sysop in the early 80's. Back then people could see you type as your were typing, so once you say something there is no point in deleting it or trying to say it better.. Just keep going. Try to look at what I said and not so much how I said it, and then tell me if you still think I am wrong.
akacinna ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are posters all over the BART in the SF Bay Area that say that they have a pill that prevents HIV and they want people to join the testing. So maybe there's something to that already.
TheSeaDevil ยท 6066 points ยท Posted at 14:54:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next Game of Thrones book released would be swell.
dodig111 ยท 2763 points ยท Posted at 15:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please be reasonable.
SpartanFaithful ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 16:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next book in the Kingkiller Chronicles?
cmason3 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:12:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I'd like to see.
Ansonfrog ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:47:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... you want that bridge to hawaii to be two lanes, or four?
MUNCH_MA_coochie ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:25:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, and the next Tool album as well
AustinioForza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dear lord 11 years now
soxpride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're working on it at least! Maynard talked about it on Joe Rogan Experience. I thought Tool was gone forever.
MUNCH_MA_coochie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was rare to see him so open with interviewers. Luckily he trusts Rogan enough to talk about it
DSMilne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:42:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be looking into this once I get off work. Thanks for my next series friend.
SpartanFaithful ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first two are fantastic books, but it's so disappointing that the third in the trilogy isn't out yet. It's the series that taught me to never start a book series that isn't finished yet.
wubalubadubscrub ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:41:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I "accidentally" started it, not realizing it wasn't finished yet. Friend (who was also one of the people who first turned me on to the ASOIAF series) suggested I check it out, once I'd read ADWD. I bought the first book, loved it, bought the second, same thing, went to buy the third, only to discover, once again, I'd started walking down a path that hasn't been completed yet.
SpartanFaithful ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:55:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I started it in a very similar way. I was at a wedding and a friend of mine and his girlfriend asked me if I had read Name of the Wind. They were so shocked that I hadn't since they both loved it so much that they went home and both bought it on Amazon to give to me. They didn't know the other one also bought it until two copies showed up to their apartment. They're really good friends.
kinrosai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:29:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your friend may be somewhat sadistic.
wubalubadubscrub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have to tell me lol
Nox_Aeternam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we just need to learn Patty Rothfuss' true name first.
kinrosai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The author seems to have a lot of issues both with life and writing the conclusion in a satisfying way...
Also he's milking his fans for charity and has a lot of other side projects ongoing that might decline once it's done and forgotten.
And now he even started a movie adaptation. Who knows what that will effect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game of thrones seems more realistic tbh
boredwithlyf ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:51:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3?
OnlinePosterPerson ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:56:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Last Guardian?
paxavonia ยท 752 points ยท Posted at 15:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George living long enough to finish the series would be great too
[deleted] ยท 73 points ยท Posted at 16:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People saying that seems to stress him out (from some interviews -- just imagine having people actually come up to you and say please get the next book out before you die). Stress is the silent killer. It is we who are preventing the next book.
enoughberniespamders ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 18:01:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol no... He's admitted that he shouldn't have taken such a long break after finishing dance. He has all but admitted that he won't finish the series.
I don't blame him for losing interest in writing the books, but at this point he really needs to stop with his classic "don't tell them anything" attitude in how far along he is. I don't think he necessarily owes us the next two books, but he does owe us the truth at this point. Just tell us you're not going to finish so we don't keep wondering if he will or won't.
DAVasquez- ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:39:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appoint a successor to do it and get it over with.
yurieu ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised how he can even dance considering his size and age!
8hole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:07:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you justify this?
Sky_Muffins ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 17:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His weight is a far louder killer.
FirstOfThyName ยท -53 points ยท Posted at 17:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cunt.
Edit: I will take tyrions advice and wear my downvotes as armor.
Psych_edelia ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 18:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not wrong though. Lots of right cunts.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:53:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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That1guyonreddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:50:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
King of the North right proper lad
Sky_Muffins ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:02:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're the one projecting malicious intent to medical facts.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:52:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but it's not far from GRRM response to it all too. IIRC they asked him what he had to say to the people who said stuff like that. and he responded with "fuck you" I could be wrong though. I think it was from s year or two back.
Sky_Muffins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:41:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and it's fine, really. I get his view, which is that he's basically being concern trolled: people are bugging him for their needs, not for his benefit. But obesity is still deadly and debilitating, regardless of the social factors at play.
7ofalltrades ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok ok ok new human achievement request: "cure for old age".
Reploid345 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be down for biological immortality.
trampabroad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and fatness.
Redhavok ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:54:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Epics are a little bit of a slog to begin with, the middle gets really good, you can do whatever you want now the set up is all there, but then you near the end and oh shit you have to finish up now.
Must be hard for him since the world is far bigger in his head than on the pages, and he plans stuff so well that readers are guessing what happens next. He is in such a rough spot I don't think a lot of fans have any idea.
Bartdog ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 18:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Call Brandon Sanderson...
Kyomeii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be fine with it
tastelessshark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anyone could do it justice , it'd probably be him.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:12:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's said he would never do it. Don't have a quote, but he has said there writing style are too different
botoks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His style is completely different.
Bartdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always mention this because he stepped in and finished the Wheel of Time after Jordan passed. I've been saying this for about 5 years.
LordoftheSynth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:53:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope his publisher has Brandon Sanderson on speed dial.
lothtekpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he's in model health so I'm sure it'll be fine.
valar-fuckulis ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 16:29:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why stop there? i wish for A dream of spring to be released and will be beautiful, complete, with no storyline left open and Ned will come back to live and so Greywind with Rob and all the starks will live happy in a 30 year long spring... crys in a corner
Oakshror ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:37:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is happening in Bran's comatose dream. Robert and Ned and everyone is still alive
no_ragrats ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kid's got some messed up thoughts, man
cortez0498 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 04:22:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"the snow was beautiful, you were beautiful in your wedding dress"
savagegrif ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if GRRM just released a 20 page book that essentially said Bran woke up and everything is fine.
LordoftheSynth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the St. Winterfell theory.
YouKnowWhatToDo80085 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 18:44:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since we are talking about impossible book releases. Doors of stone from Rothfuss would be nice
no_ragrats ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:37:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rothfuss: hahahaha
Psyche_Siren ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:19:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's too difficult, how about world hunger instead?
nuker1110 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:21:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The twist: Immortality is perfected, but it's locked to GRRM's genetic code.
cavelioness ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:30:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if he's immortal, he'll never finish because he'll feel even less pressure to.
Robotpoop ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:41:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No wonder he's so cavalier about killing people.
AdamsDJ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The great part about this is that GRRM can go a totally different direction from the show. Would be fantastic.
Dawidko1200 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:59:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really the other way around. The show have went in a completely different direction from the books. And while there are still awesome moments, the plotline quality dropped significantly in the last few seasons.
butto150 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:59:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
King killer chronicles anyone?
bootyhole_jackson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also no end in sight.
GrayWing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:24:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have a better chance at the technology being developed to preserve GRRM's brain until we can extract the next book from it.
And then in classic reddit fashion it will only be "meh."
bodhemon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:56:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Patrick Rothfuss finishing The Kingkiller Chronicles. with GoT at least we got the show, we're gonna find out what happens.
ballisticBacteria ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:58:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometime in Martin's lifetime.
D4rthLink ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:35:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even the full series, just the next book?
GrayWing ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:22:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just don't even know our pain, dude :(
AnotherDrZoidberg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:05:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a part of me that believes something. It is a very small part of me. It is buried deep to protect it from the chills of Winter. I only nourish enough to not let it die because of an inexplicable hope that it's true.
Georgie boy has been writing all of the remaining books and has them in some state resembling a finished product. Or is working towards that. When he finally announces WoW he will also release a timeline for release of the remaining books.
I know, I'm a sweet summer child. Others take me and my silly unfounded secret hope.
Cash091 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game of Thrones is like an Early Access game where the dev got paid, passed the work off to another party (HBO), and bailed.
RolandLovecraft ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GET IN LINE PAL!
fluppydogs ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a Tool fan and a GRRM fan...the pain is real.
MarcusQuintus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The final one can be outside our lifetime.
underpaidworker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why they made a tv show. The producers were probably fans of the books and knew they'd never know how it ended unless they paid the dude barrels of money.
Alphasization ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:41:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
iSo_Cold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's good to have dreams pal, but tone it down some.
avenlanzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That won't happen in GRRM's lifetime, therefore never in yours either.
JLake4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if fanfiction or AO3 have anything to say about it!
StaticCode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexy Benjamin will do for now.
FishyDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sad summer child.
LordDigBick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lul :) thanks for the laugh, stranger!
stormycloudysky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god this is one of my worst fears
RedSnowBird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably only happen if he dies and the writers of the HBO show finish it.
ilholtstilin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was wondering if I was going to be the only one to say that.
iHateReddit_srsly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last one was in 1996. I don't think you can reasonably expect that.
liartellinglies ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what happens when you don't use the [Serious] tag, OP.
isurvivedrabies ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats it? thats your longing desire? fuck man if you arent sad then ill be sad for you
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Haddep ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:37:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why he was talking about the books, not the show
dunkmaster6856 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:18 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first 3 are kind of just exposition. it really picks up as you progress
McBlemmen ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 21:09:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch the TV show it's practically a scene by scene remake
Haddep ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scene by scene remake? Are you kidding me? If anything s1 is the most similar, but from s5 onwards it's nothing like the books
McBlemmen ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao
Haddep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you trying to say now?
McBlemmen ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lmao
It means i'm laughing because i didn't realize anyone would be thick enough to take me seriously.
Prick_Whittington ยท 16081 points ยท Posted at 10:58:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody having access to clean water.
EDIT: First fuckin' gold!!! And I wasn't even making fun of anything! Cheers folks!
ctolsen ยท 1054 points ยท Posted at 13:39:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're getting there.
Edit: World population being 5.2 billion in 1990, and 7.5 billion now, that means about 4 billion then and 6.8 billion now had access to clean water, meaning 2.8 billion new people have gained access in that time.
That's about 100 million per year, or about 280 000 people per day. Pretty good going, humanity.
DSonla ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 14:17:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From 92% to 84% in 15 years? What happened Algeria?
I understand for countries that has been hit with natural disasters (Haiti) but can't think of a reason for Algeria.
AthenaCain042 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:45:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, that's a lot of people. That really put the term billion into perspective.
kyleadam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is the definition of "having access"? For example, if there are clean water fountains placed throughout a city, would that be considered access considering the homeless population, etc.?
Count_Schlick ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed. The site says 100% of Canadians have access to clean water, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest otherwise. Does it still count if the water has to be trucked in? What about those that have to rely on well water that is contaminated? Also, how clean is 'clean'?
mkdntfam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are dozens of native reserves that have been on boil-water advisories for in some cases years. Bullshit 100% of Canada has clean water.
bogberry_pi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Often means within 1km of a person's place of residence. Usually "clean water" really means an "improved" water source, which only means there is some protection from contamination. This certainly doesn't mean it's 100% safe though. And by this definition, someone who walks 1 km to a public tap has access to an improved water source, regardless of whether the tap produces good quality water and the household can store it at home in sanitary conditions. Source for more info
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:17:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fquizon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 20:40:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but 150000 deaths per day, so we're still 80000 in the good
Saad-Ali ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 19:45:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and some of them remain that way for rest of there life.
TrojanHorse_exe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:00:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of these babies even like to pretend they are presidential
yosoyramitasana ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which means every woman worldwide will have 2 children on avarage during her lifetime. The current birth rates are not alarming at all. The continuing population increase in the world is not a consequence of high fertility. The population is still increasing simply because the number of people dying of old age is still lower than the number children being born.
As of now, the UN is estimating that the world population will peak at about 11 billion around 2100.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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colmusstard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People die too
Blipnoodle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
280,000 per day. That number is seriously Wow. I don't think the entire Region I live in has half that many people in it!!
darexinfinity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we'll hit a stopping point, man-made famines are an issue on another level.
NamesArentEverything ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, everybody look at the fancy pants with the Masters degree in mathology or whatever.
(Seriously though, that's awesome to hear. Water should never be taken for granted.)
kiipii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except about 20% of that is access within 30 minutes travel time. Just looking at access also doesn't capture water stress and the fact that much of the current/projected population growth is occurring in areas without good access to water.
bogberry_pi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:02:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and in addition it doesn't really account for how safe the water is- just that there is some protection from contamination.
benttwig33 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But not for Flint!
Purpletech ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:29:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but at what point will we cap out?
For example, I live near NYC and there's the constant addition of new housing in the city. At what point is the infrastructure unable to keep up and some people not being able to get fresh water?
jacobc436 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:15:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to bust your bubble but that's 1.2 -> 1.3 billion without clean access to water since 1980
ifonlythiswasnothot ยท 4833 points ยท Posted at 11:19:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody having access to good mental hygiene
Barack-YoMama ยท 6113 points ยท Posted at 11:31:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I forgot to floss my brain today
EQU5VX ยท 1622 points ยท Posted at 11:39:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only floss my brain once a month and I'm perfectly fin
poopellar ยท 1230 points ยท Posted at 11:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah a French redditor. Omlette Du Fromage?
youabsolutepancake ยท 518 points ยท Posted at 12:21:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's all you can saaaay that's all you can saaaay
roogoff ยท 462 points ยท Posted at 12:56:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shat ap deedee yoo stoooooopid eejit!
youabsolutepancake ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 13:14:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAA HAHA! HAA HAHA HAHA!
HAA HAHA! HAA HAHA HAHA!
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAA!
RIP Christine Cavanaugh
DaReaper95 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:17:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh noooooooooooo It is MAAAAAAAAAAndaRRRRRRk My riiiyval annd NEmesiS
diddy1 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Git outtah mah lahboraatori!
SheolCodeMonkey ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:23:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My name is Deeextarr, boy geeeeenius, I abide by the laws of sciiiance and I hate my styooopid seestar deedee
BestSinceDay0 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:18:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voulez vous coucher avec moi?
secondphase ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:22:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh... he said he's from finland.
TedTheViking ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avec un baguette et une boitte du vin, honh honh honh!
MonsieurKun ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:58:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, we just do it twice a year !
And the real spelling is "Omelette au fromage", FYI. :)
Yarthkins ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:36:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Omelette with cheese" is good, but you haven't lived until you've had an "omelette of the cheese."
Senthe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
omelette du fromage.
BortVoldemort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omelette du fromage
aplaidbaboon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No thanks, I'm vegan
sdh68k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anyone else hungry?
mvalviar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โAccess denied.โ
kind2311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"FORMAGE"
nhjoiug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oui
ratinthecellar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heeeeeeeyyyyyyyy
jeffreywls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer omelette du frottage.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:16:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I floss my brain every day and my IQ is over 3000. I can solve quantum physics problems in under a second
/s just in case
MajiqMan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gets shot, bleeds It's because you didn't floss.
Drindel08 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only floss my brain before an appointment with my neurosurgeon
Maker1357 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it supposed to bleed when you floss it?
Squatrick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is such a lame joke, I love it!
skyleach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I flossed my brain and caught a dumb. How do i treat?
Amonette2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You brain dentist knows you're lying to him.
entity_TF_spy ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mentalfloss
smep ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:08:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget to masturbate your brain, too.
YouTee ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
here you go: http://mentalfloss.com/
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:14:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I need to have my daily brainwashing.
Toots_McGovern ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:47:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mentalfloss.com
OrwellAstronomy23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Order a subscription of mental floss
Technoguyfication ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:37:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nocontext
paradox037 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While you're at it, don't forget to jack off your heart.
omgitsjo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mental floss
narwhalvampire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope you don't get truth decay.
RedRing86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It took me a few seconds to realize why that connection made sense because it doesn't really.
Because Mental hygiene rhymes with Dental hygiene.
So simple and so effective.
TurtleInADesert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have the mental image of steel wire going through your brain and slicing it. Ugh
mkomaha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Want to borrow my tetris game?
BingoFishy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://mentalfloss.com
UselessGadget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you remember to mastrubate?
maybe_little_pinch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's an app for that
omar1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
jams floss in ears
Jgcbkidssoknvddujobeythehypnotoadbnbvbmknnfguukpop there we go, squeaky clean!
surkh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch out for that plaque buildup!
__PETTYOFFICER117__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you masturbate though?
wakeupwill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An eigth of psilocybin every six months. No need to floss every month.
Pwntagonist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop sending me subliminal messages, Mental Floss marketing guy!
Drunkyoda5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And masturbate.
mybustersword ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 12:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arguably, water is pretty important for that.
ifeellikemoses ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:51:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But depression dx
dasignint ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:58:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The folds in my brain do hide a lot of smegma.
OathOfFeanor ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crawl before you walk.
alayne_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol, even everybody in the Western world having that would be an achievement.
PeteTheGeek196 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, that could cure a LOT of other man-made problems.
mainmangosteen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/0vkb_l_ZzE0 "Someone's flossing their brain!"
occupythekitchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and an olympic size pool
medocc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read metal hygiene and got way too excited :(
eetandern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard a man speak like this man before.
ExcerptMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fresh water will help with that.
deathfaith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://mentalfloss.com
Cunicularius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No worries, Google is making plenty of progress in that regard.
cartmancakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/eyebleach is a good start...
johnsciarrino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody wang chunning tonight.
sorry, is that not what we're doing here?
MechanicalTurkish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody to the limit
Redhavok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone needs a good brainwashing
Fire2box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our field!
Or is that too obscure a reference?
Blipnoodle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mental hygenie is vastly misunderstood. This would be incredible if it was more widely known about
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would've been great about twenty years ago (:
cyrashan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, can't be a Reddit thread without someone bringing up mental health/anxiety/depression/abuse/autism!
meellodi ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And of course can't be a Reddit thread without someone trying too hard to be witty cynical bastard.
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, are you telling me that that's not what reddit is for? Well...fuck.
cyrashan ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 14:25:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accurate powers of observation are often called cynicism by those who don't possess them.
meellodi ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, I get it, you're very smart.
RadiantPumpkin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:20:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nonono. He's verysmart. There's a difference.
cyrashan ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 14:26:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, pretty much. Sorry you missed out.
Kang_andor_Kodos ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:22:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you may be missing something.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...
BloodMouth3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One is a tad more important than the other, and it's not the snowflakes.
Matkstey ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 11:00:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody having access to oxygen
๐๏ธ cath91 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 11:02:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you one if those time travelers that mess with people from your past?
Matkstey ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 11:07:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm on the International Space Station and "Houston we have a problem"
Prick_Whittington ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:10:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been using your oxygen irresponsibly?
Matkstey ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 11:13:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does selling it to the Chinese count as irresponsible?
t3nkwizard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:42:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on how much you charged.
Matkstey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wellp it won't matter now.. Fuck those Chinese..
mybustersword ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:31:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about clean oxygen, pollution free?
olmikeyy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't steal a purse
Electric_Evil ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just need to build that megamaid and we'll be all set!
Wyn6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But, the megamaid sucks.
Finn_The_Ice_Prince ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:32:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND blows!
punriffer5 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:52:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solve the energy problem and you solve the water problem. Turning sea water into salt + water is easy, just add electricity. Of which we don't have enough.
Grabthatghost ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:54:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the Flint resident
Imsureitwillhelp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If what scientists and organizations like CIA say about global warming is true, this probably the most important thing on here by a giant land slide.
I mean, not only does dirty water kill a lot of people today, but, probably, in our lifetime, it's also going to be the cause of a lot of wars.
sumogypsyfish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:50:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Revelation 21:6 anybody?
NightFire19 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:39:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a toilet.
ameya2693 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And sanitation! Clean water alone won't fix the problems. We need a full water management system. The UN has achieved close to 90% on clean water for people but the sanitation is further away and that's where we need to step in.
LemonsAreJustLemons ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:41:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's just turn the Jefferson Memorial into a giant purifier
therunawayguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am the Alpha and Omega; the beginning, and the end. I shall give unto him that is athirst of the fountains of the waters of life... freely.
I can't think of that without hearing it in Liam Neeson's voice. Playing the hell out of FO3 at the moment, since I'm still too poor for FO4. Saw OP's post and thought of this near IMMEDIATELY.
LethalSquirt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:50:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the gold going around ITT is cool and all, but it got me thinking. What if Reddit took a day where each subreddit voted on a charity, and then for one day or a couple days all the money spent on giving gold would be sent to whatever charity that that subreddit voted for?
Car_the_boat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:36:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Project purity
CapinWinky ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:35:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't a technical, financial, or even will power barrier. Creating a group of have-nots also creates a group of 'haves' and this dicotomy is politically useful to the rules of both groups.
wpiman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's go back to that Mars thing...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we're more likely to see the opposite happening. Less and less people having access to clean water.
pupilsOMG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way the world is going, if that happens it'll probably be Dasani.
holyuo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody having access to deodorant, especially in public transports
oklos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On a highly related note, having access to proper sanitation.
MarconisTheMeh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this goal should've been achieve many years before we decided to create an iPod.
sturace ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flint, MI is with you
alabasterch777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So then, Michigan is no longer a state?
Z3R0-0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/waterguy12
Shububa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody having access to clean Reddit gold.
payperplain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be cool with Flint Michigan getting clean water again.
Nyf1nest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of Flint Michigan upvotes this
CFSparta92 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:55:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even in Flint?
modudupup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A better, cheaper, more efficient way to desalinize water.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone having access to pure reddit gold would be great too.
thor1111 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree with this. I also had a Reddit achievement for me, the 10,000th upvote exactly on this comment (according to my screen). Just wanted to share with every one :)
Th_Ghost_of_Bob_ross ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
get the fuck away from my clean water, i need it to poop in.
VGBAMF ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*without privatizing it
mellowmonk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they at least teach poorer countries to boil and filter their water? That would serve as a good temporary solution until they can actually get treatment plants and whatnot.
007delusions ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:08:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean water anywhere period would be nice, as in the government stopping the Fluoridation and Chloridaration of our water.
randomasesino2012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:41:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you want to wish for feasible mass desalination. If we can desalinate ocean water cheaply and efficiently, it would be a massive human break through.
Sawyer731123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nestle's on it
JeremyBenthamIsLocke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Checkout the movie "slingshot" on Netflix, it's about this exact thing.
pancakefiend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:54:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Requires energy first. Cheap energy would be ideal for poor countries.
NicolasGuacamole ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:46:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With people like Bill Gates on this planet it looks like that dream might just be realistic.
nessn12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll settle for everyone in Michigan having clean water at this point.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone in Michigan does have it, it's just they might not be allowed to access it. Anyone in flint could dig down twenty feet and get cleaner water than what the city gives them, but it's illegal. So they either have to pay for the poison the government is sending them or the government takes their house.
Upnorth4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that their pipes are made of lead, so any water passing through will become tainted until they put in new plumbing
Upnorth4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Michigan and my water is fine, as is 90% of the state
internetmexican ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nestle will make sure that NEVER happens
Upnorth4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The township in Michigan where Nestle gets Ice Mountain water from just denied their request to expand their bottled water plant there
DanjuroV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Water? Pepsi would be better.
distelfink33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.charitywater.org/about/
FoxMcWeezer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtue signaling. You know you donโt give a shit.
brando56894 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:52:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't necessarily an economic or engineering issue in some cultures, but a lack of education on proper hygiene and bodily fluids. I remember watching an episode of Vice where they went to India to see the clean water crisis and it was their own citizens that were fucking it up, not big corporations like here in America. Westerners would come over and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars installing plumbing and toilets in order to prevent the spread of disease...but what did the citizens do? They used these outhouses for storage and continued to shit and piss in the same river that they bathed in and drank from!
toomuchpork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean new Nestlรฉ CLEARTM !
IndependentThinker7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was my mothers dream. Never got to know her because she passed away during my birth. Im actually looking for my father now who just one day, up and abandoned me. Heard a recording of him saying he did it for my safety and security. Said that the world is a dangerous, inhospitable place. Hopefully I find him soon. I got a lead from some Irish asshole that my dad went to some radio station. Ill update you guys if I find my father.
Trentonx94 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:15:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I'm going to be that guy but we already are too much on this planet, if Africa and underdeveloped countries will get a boom in birthrates and lifespan it will take 2 generations before we are really fucked up
2GenderJerry ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except India they will just shit in it like everything else
herb_tea ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's less and less clean water every year, and more and more people. It's not going to happen. A lot of people have to go.
exoxe ยท 2099 points ยท Posted at 13:48:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People not killing each other over stupid shit.
charliebrownisreal ยท 953 points ยท Posted at 15:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A little laughable that this is seriously the only thing here that won't ever happen.
Jofarin ยท 219 points ยท Posted at 15:49:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People can't kill each other if there are no people...think about it ;)
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 18:51:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ShadowDragonCHW ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 19:13:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
genocides humanity
BlueberryPhi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:21:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sings while doing so.
grovesoteric ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, trips me out how hilarious and morbid his sense of humour was. The audience ate it up. Good to see our ancestors were still hilarious.
classicalySarcastic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found VIKI from I, Robot.
Seriously, isn't that a cliche in sci-fi by now?
nouille07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien species would find clichรฉ that humans are always fighting each other as well
rshorning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would alien species be immune from combat and wars?
wishiwererobot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but this thread is for seeing it in the authors life time.
nouille07 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity can't kill each other if there only 1 person left, just let op live and kill everyone else
jk021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:34 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, for one, welcome our robot overlords
OrsoMalleus ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I too vote for mass genocide.
rshorning ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:04:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suggest those who support the idea are the first ones to go.
OrsoMalleus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:24:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like we have another supporter
gaggleofmonkeys ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:46:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technology could enable it, but the solution is probably not what most people would want.
With the decreasing cost of surveillance equipment and advances in artificial intelligence, we should eventually reach a point where it's economically feasible to monitor everyone, or at least all those who rank even moderately high on the number of risk factors for violence, such as ex-convicts.
In such a world, before the belligerent even has the opportunity to throw their fist, the drone hovering just above their head might already have used their physiological indicators in combination with their personality data to predict the outburst, shot them with a tranquilizer dart, and notified the proper authorities to come haul them away for processing.
Of course, aside from the massive issue of privacy, such a system would also provide an incredibly simple method for establishing a totalitarian regime, one that's highly resistant to all forms of internal rebellion.
This might all sound like crazy tin-foil hat stuff, but post-9/11 politics have already demonstrated that all of these ideas are at least feasible politically. With the right timing and messaging, the populace could not only be made to accept such a system but even to embrace it. And given the proficiency of the system at quelling problematic individuals (this definition naturally including those who oppose the system), you'd only really need to gain enough public approval for the program's first few years.
charliebrownisreal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:48:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like minority report
bexben ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:05:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a black mirror episode
CanadianGangsta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what the Samaritan said.
Roxas146 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:55:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War never changes.
pleasehelpssll ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:15:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*not including the death tally ,what weapons ,the year ,the armour ,the population,the countries in involved and much more.
Roxas146 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's a quote from Fallout
pleasehelpssll ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I just disagree with the quote
Roxas146 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The context of the quote is that people will always keep killing each other, and that's what never changes. It doesn't talk about the specifics. In the context, "War" is a term for the human desire for conflict.
kunell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some kinda societal revolution that reorganizes everyone into a hivemind could work
charliebrownisreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aye... I just watched Saving Private Ryan for like the 3rd time in my life. So no faith in the hivemind thing happening anytime soon.
kunell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it would require mindwashing everyone and someone assuming total control (preferably a person programmed to make smart decisions)
charliebrownisreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... so... basically doing the whole "make everyone believe what I believe" hitler thing eh?
kunell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well hitler didnt really do it right as he didnt have the proper technology to do it. Im talking a crazy extreme right now. Not to mention he killed off entire categories of people for no good reason wasting so many resources in the process.
I'd say its more akin to religious extremism except everyone is mentally augmented to believe in the same thing. More like ants really.
charliebrownisreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think if it ever happened and we only had one person making choices for everyone. People would still fight over who has the whiter pantset.
kunell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:09:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wellโฆ they wouldnt care because the entire human population would just be really one person. (One brain multiple bodies). But idk if we would still be considered human?
charliebrownisreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about the brain thing In rick and morty or the other brain thing from futurama?
kunell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:22:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rick and morty yes idk about futurama. Thats what a hivemind is.
charliebrownisreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good too know... there's also an episode about hiveminds in I love Lucy too... that was my next guess.
THChief ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:09:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or not killing each other over nothing at all... like acid attacks
courtoftheair ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:46:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point of acid attacks is that you aren't meant to die, you're meant to suffer deformed and in pain for the rest of your life.
But yeah someone not far from me randomly stabbed a guy he had never met as he was coming back from a bar so if we could stop that that would be great.
SpaceTrippinPastTime ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:51:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUT HE OWED ME $20 FROM THE DOMINOS GAME LAST WEEK.
exoxe ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey man... $20 is $20...
jubgles ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:40:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tanaka-taro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey man i dont have money right now"
"It's Treason Then"
*Proceeds to throw him out of the window*
rkirke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's either play or get played.
auxiliary-character ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUT HE'S SPREADING HATESPEECH
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'M GOING TO FIND YOU AND RIP YOUR THROAT OUT FOR SAYING THAT BITCH!
/s
M_Bipson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But its my religion...
auxiliary-character ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:15:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is anime halal?
downonthesecond ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, would you want someone to get away with scuffing your white $200 shoes or not showing your respect?
Nova604 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'll kill you for having such a dumb idea!
/s
Ferocani ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that if this ever happen, a lot of the achievements in this thread would be possible
Pwntagonist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why only over stupid shit? Why not just not killing people at all?
exoxe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baby steps...
industrialoctopus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah we should be killing people over smart shit
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to witness that. The only way to achieve it is wiping out the human race, or turning everyone into mind-controlled zombies.
blacktrout225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what you fucking prick? You're done. That's it. Your life is over. Fucking over.
darexinfinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would require us not to be stupid.
And unless you're Light Yagami that will never happen.
sixgirls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean we'll all be dead?
swamptoad3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not in our lifetime, but the human race is getting there. We're in one of the most peaceful times we've ever seen in recorded history
Hairless-Sasquatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans have been killing each other en mass since the dawn of humanity. It just isn't a reasonable request for us to just stop.
Stebulous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except trolls in video games. Fuck those guys.
merlinfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
one man's stupid shit is another man's no-compromise ideal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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exoxe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad, but true.
carsonator40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:38 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is mankind we're talking about. We are war.
HaIfpint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
exoxe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I was trying to be realistic.
OGchef ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So youre going to find a way to have people quit all religion?
oopssorrydaddy ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:45:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wanting to kill people is ๐universal๐
OGchef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there is shitty people everywhere of every background true... But on the grander scale of things how much of violence is religion based especially throughout history. Currently we have ISIS but how long is it until we have some violent christian group?
King_of_Shade ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or some violent, militant atheist group.
OGchef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair violent atheist groups dont siphon ridiculous amounts of tax money from the economy haha, but youre right.
JBHUTT09 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:33:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not religion itself. It's humans' tribal mentality that happens to manifest in religious violence, as well as in other forms such as racial violence. Humans love to make the world "Us vs Them". Until we can fix that fundamental human flaw, I don't think we'll see the end of large scale conflicts.
OGchef ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed but dont you think that religion as a whole encourages said tribalism?
ContinuumKing ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:49:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's just a easily accessible excuse. Take it away and the only thing that will change is what excuse you are using. Nothing more.
OGchef ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the problem in this respect, is that at the base of every religion is the fact that were right and everyone else is wrong. Im not just bashing on religion just to do so, but it has a fair number of flaws, some more than others.
babyrhino ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:24:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same problem with any nationalism
ContinuumKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is hardly a uniquely religious way of thinking, and can be applied to any and all belief systems. People who believe the earth is flat believe they are right and everyone else is wrong. Similarly, people who believe the earth is round believe they are right and the flat earthers are wrong. I don't see anything specifically religious about that idea.
mfb- ยท 23554 points ยท Posted at 11:24:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering life elsewhere would be amazing.
8__D ยท 8675 points ยท Posted at 12:36:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're just making wishes, I wanna see peaceful diplomatic relations with another intelligent species. Either alien, or some kinda Hyper intelligent octopus society.
[deleted] ยท 3054 points ยท Posted at 13:18:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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8__D ยท 6733 points ยท Posted at 13:25:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could show them Arrival on blu-ray.
John_Q_Deist ยท 2029 points ยท Posted at 13:46:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just keep the dumbass with the explosives away from them, ok?
DebunkedTheory ยท 2906 points ยท Posted at 14:05:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean America?
Edit: Wow, for such a big tough country you guys are really sensitive. It's cute.
[deleted] ยท 1671 points ยท Posted at 14:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think we're just gonna sit back when theres FREEDOM to be spread?
[deleted] ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:05:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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d1rtyd0nut ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:42:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
!RedditSilver
Jeeonta ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:33:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please send this man nudes.
GUCCI_MANE_FREE_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stahp
NerdRising ยท 522 points ยท Posted at 14:41:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WE WILL TAKE FREEDOM TO THE STARS!
SilverSaberTooth ยท 151 points ยท Posted at 14:46:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CAUTION : FREEDOM MAY CONTAIN TRACES OF GENOCIDE
goplayer7 ยท 65 points ยท Posted at 15:38:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IF YOU HAVE AN ERECTION LASTING MORE THAN FOUR HOURS AFTER TAKING FREEDOM THEN HIFIVE A DOCTOR.
zhaoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nicccccceeeeeeeeeeee
Zero-Power ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:32:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We will show them our peaceful ways. By force.
DarkenedSonata ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-Gandhi
4DimensionalToilet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"... and by force I mean nukes."
-- also Ghandi
EvryMthrF_ngThrd ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:29:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TRACES? Oh, you optimist, you!
Howie1028 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:37:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It starts with War, then peace.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND SOCIALISM!
Hawkize31 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 15:02:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manifest
destinyGALAXYLarryLavekio ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:55:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I laughed so hard i cried a trail of tears.
ameya2693 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hot damn! I can get behind this manifestation.
HwrdStrk ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AND IF THEY DON'T WANT OUR FREEDOM, WE'LL TILT THEIR HEAD BACK, DRAPE AN AMERICAN FLAG OVER THEIR FACE, AND POUR FREEDOM RIGHT DOWN THEIR THROAT, DAMNIT.
iamtheforger ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FREEDOM BOARDING
[FREEDOM INTENSIFIES]
MLPVoiceActing ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gettin a Gurren Lagann vibe from this
bbirddribb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a slogan was born
Sibire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's how the Orion drive was invented.
rkc17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BY FORCE!
Your_Adth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much can we sell freedom for? 'merica
pcmasterrape ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:14:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sees that the aliens have some sort of oil drums WELL I GUESS IT'S TIME FOR
M A N D A T O R Y LIBERATION
Mutjny ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Democracy is non-negotiable.
JayBeeBop ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:56:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Democracy is NON-NEGOTIABLE
TuskenRaiders ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:50:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U S A! U S A! ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ๐บ๐ธ
dolphinater ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if they have oil
iamnotexactlywhite ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/MURICA
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and LEGS too !
suckitphil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a nice cup of liberTEA!
QCMBRman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:07:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F R E E D O M
R
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sharkthelittlefish ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 14:18:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah!
PBTUCAZ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:57:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
COMING TO SAVE THE MOTHER FUCKING DAY YEAH!
Redgen87 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coming again to save the motherfucking day yeah!
DarkenedSonata ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AMERICA!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:49:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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loukitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By god. It's beautiful.
Your talent never ceases to amaze, bravo.
Shaka04 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:19:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He means Kim Jong-un
ClintRenee ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:32:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
dddonehoo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:40:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who's a bigger baby Kim or orange puff
Troppin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:56:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One was born rich in a poor country, the other born rich in a rich country.
dddonehoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Orange puff it is..
brycedriesenga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does keep shooting wildly at the sky so I can only presume he's aiming at aliens.
metalflygon08 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:50:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god, Imagine if Trump forced his way to the front to be a diplomat to the Space Octopus, it's be like Zapp Branigann negotiating peace.
zootskippedagroove6 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still trust Zapp over this Orangutan.
metalflygon08 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:53:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an insult to the primates.
Devilsfan118 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edgy.
BBQ_HaX0r ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America actually handled the Heptapods quite well. China was the one about to blow them out of the sky.
droppingbasses ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:34:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shots fired
(By America)
thewritingtexan ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:45:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was having a day dream about two days ago in the shower. A conversation with with my dad, taking place completely in my head turned into a story line that involved secret alien contact. I thought about how if Aliens studied the human race and learned about us, they would discreetly contact world leaders to build a peaceful relationship, rather than appear to the people and create violent mobs. I was envisioning the speech our president would give to spread calm and understanding to the people. How he might demonstrate the odd figure that would be our new allies. Then I realized I was still picturing that president as Barack Obama, and then I got really depressed. Because then I started to think about how the same situation would be handled by Trump. Then I thought, "If they learned about the human race... They would go to someone like Merkle." Im left feeling neutral about the whole thing. But still pretty sad.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:50:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the aliens would be like The Covenant from Halo, with a genocidal mandate to destroy anyone and anything that they consider sacrilege. The aliens would declare that humanity is a heretical disease, an affront to their religion, which must be scoured from the face of the galaxy. They would then begin waging war on Humanity, raping and murdering as they went.
Merkel would be offering them free housing, financial assistance, and EU citizenship. Aliens would be smashing their spaceships into large crowds of people, and Merkel would be telling a million of them to come live in Hamburg.
thewritingtexan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:11 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean sure maybe, I dont pretend to know theoretical futures. I just have daydreams.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 22:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right now your score is hidden from me on mobile but i expect the comment to end up with shit tons of downvotes in this sub despite not being wrong
wxsted ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the film a group of American soldiers puts explosives inside a spaceship because they thought the aliens were undercover invadors after watching too much shit on the media.
Nighshade586 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who else is gonna stop Xenomorphs when that's what we find?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DebunkedTheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leave the tea out of it this time
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:18:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I have not done that since 45!
Baconlawlz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:38:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name does not check out.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:27:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and 70s, and 80s, and 90s, and till 2017
Sterling-Archer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:47:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck getting to space without America running the show.
Unless you trust Russia.
DebunkedTheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would I want to go to space if the aliens are coming to us?
Sterling-Archer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You gotta go up there and meet them, otherwise they will think you are spineless or lazy.
First impressions count. Especially with alien squid monsters.
DebunkedTheory ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, they come to me. They need to know who's boss. If I start doing what they want straight away, humanity will be enslaved in a matter of weeks
CheekiNoBreeki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have any idea how big my boner would get with an A-10 strike on aliens? BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
duckmuffins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair I get a boner when there's an A-10 strike on anything.
iamtheforger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it lasts longer than 4 hours
Pasuma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pumps shot gun intensely
Oh, baby!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Recore ยท -30 points ยท Posted at 14:49:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The atom bomb was a British discovery and invention. America made it bigger and then committed war crimes by dropping it on civilians, I'd hardly be as proud of that as you seem to be.
Devilsfan118 ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:08:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's an interesting reality you live in there.
Mry0guy ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:50:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My ass the bomb is British, without the Manhattan project throwing uranium 238 production into high gear the world wouldn't have had enough uranium to build a bomb for 100 years. This leaves nothing said about how the H bomb is really the invention that ended developed nations going to war with each other due to its civilization ending nature and that was developed solely by the Americans. I'm not saying what we did was right or wrong but your fooling yourself if you think the British built the bomb. T h i s i s j u s t l i k e t h e o l y m p i c s w h e n y o u c l a i m e d t h e i n t e r n e t.
Recore ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:11:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said the bomb was British nor that they built it, but the discovery was.
navymmw ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:59:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dropping the bomb was the right call
Recore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't mean you should be proud about it. Right call or no, it was still a war crime.
navymmw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:56:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never said I was proud of it, just saying it was the right call.
abravelittletoaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Show me where in the Hague Convention it says attacking defended cities is a war crime. I'll wait...
eskimobrother319 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a war crime...
SpaceTrippinPastTime ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure helped to save a lot of American lives.
Recore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:14:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're happy with killing civilians so soldiers can live longer lives then?
redmako101 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:30:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given the amount of Japanese civilians that would have died in Operation Downfall, yeah it was a pretty good trade.
SpaceTrippinPastTime ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:55:00 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the situation. When every single boy who was of age was a soldier you're fucking right I'm fine with ending a war with which ever means necessary to save their lives. Hell, the Japs probably would have put a gun in everyone's hands to keep the US off the mainland. The civilian death toll for boots on the ground invasion by the USA would have been astronomical.
So yeah, when it comes to the USA nuking Japan, I am OK with killing a bunch of civilians to put an end to that regime.
gentlemandinosaur ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:58:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. This guy.
CriticalDog ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:04:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a war crime.
Set some precedents though, which we should all be glad for.
But not a war crime, by any means.
Also saved Millions of lives on both sides, most likely.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:00:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Devilsfan118 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:09:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's popular on Reddit to continue the anti-US circlejerk.
When you realize it stems mostly from jealousy it makes it all the more fun to read.
Recore ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:59:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's popular off Reddit too.
What is it you think people are jealous of?
Recore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy how you put those first two sentences together like that.
And yours is positively touched by lots of other nations, in much larger ways than TV dinners.
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:03:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ByzantiumBall ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:44:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so fucking sick of this shit. What the FUCK do you call the FUCKING LONDON BLITZ?! Germany started the goddamn bombings. And not just London. Glasgow, Edinburgh, Belfast, Warsaw, Rotterdam, Birmingham, Liverpool, the list goes on and fucking on. Plus, one side reluctantly bombed civilians as part of a campaign against military industry, and one side had MOTHERFUCKING INDUSTRIALIZED GENOCIDE.
kirkbywool ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:15:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Coventry which was completely flattened and led to Goebbels creating the word coventried to describe mass destruction. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_Blitz
kirkbywool ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:15:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Coventry which was completely flattened and led to Goebbels creating the word coventried to describe mass destruction. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_Blitz
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 16:19:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ByzantiumBall ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:22:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are claiming moral equivalency between the Allies and Nazis. You are objectively wrong.
[deleted] ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 16:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:59:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And here we get a rare double play. In one comment we get a "Whataboutism" + "And you are lynching Negroes".
Gameguru08 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:10:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's getting a biiiiig check from Mowska today.
gentlemandinosaur ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about "they did it too!"
That seems to be okay to do, right?
Daahkness ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's us. Shoot first then call everyone else pussys later.
Recore ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:43:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except in every major conflict the US has joined of course.
Proditus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the US handled the Russo-Japanese war well.
prplx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Yeah!
BohemianShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:42 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean you aren't wrong but there's a good number of us that just want to stay out of all this craziness all together. Just like every other country the people who suffer the most tend to be the ones who just want to mind their own business and be happy. The world is crazy man.
DebunkedTheory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:43 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree
Mysteryman64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just for that, you don't get to serve on our space warships.
TylerHobbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heeeey-------- unfair dude!
DaReaper95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, America is the smartass with explosives. Ain't Britain either. They're cheeky cunts.
The_Clash_Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Always america
TheChadmania ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad but true.
IAmTheAsshoIe ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 14:22:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We mean the middle east. We dont want people allah akbaring them and then fucking them like they fuck their goats
Troppin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:01:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Texan here, we have โPraise Jesusโ folks and animal fuckers, too.
And I`ve spent hundreds of hours overwatching Iraqi villages through night vision. They only very rarely fuck animals. Honestly, Iraq reminded me alot of Texas. Guns, oil, religious hypocrisy, and rednecks.
IAmTheAsshoIe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is that the praise jesus folks will just act like crazies and in Iraq theyll stone you for not being in your religion.
Its not religious hypocrisy if it literally says it in your holy book
duckmuffins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the ones that blow themselves up? I just can't rationalize that. Religious hypocrisy is on another whole level in Iraq.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:24:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant username
IAmTheAsshoIe ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UnbornParadox ๐๐๐ what an edgy username
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you say so? Nice emojis on Reddit
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully they don't have oil or America will have to blow them up until they have democracy!
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:20:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TenTonsOfAssAndBelly ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:22:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Australia is the fun one, Mexico is one of Spain's kids
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:33:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mรฉxico is in no way a child of the UK
Recore ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every country is a child of the Empire!
crischispas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't phrase is correctly. I didn't mean for Mexico to be interpreted as a child of the UK
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HEY!
...all right, that's fair
Icehead ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look, we're sorry.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:46:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay when the sky is falling let's see who is called upon to save earth. Hint: it's not iceland
DebunkedTheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:41:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be a series of alliances made up of many earth alliances
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:19:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully by then another country will have even a quarter of our military
SheepShaggerNZ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lol'd hard
MakeYou_LOL ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm usually a sensitive little baby when people make jokes about 'Merica over the Internet, but this was pretty funny
DebunkedTheory ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:12:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are way to defensive of America. Laugh at a joke, it's doesn't change anything
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
POTUS**
DebunkedTheory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them
smileistheway ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the United States*?
DebunkedTheory ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:46:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
of.....?
SonicFlash01 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ABBOT IS DEATH PROCESS :(
John_Q_Deist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
;.;
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:21:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abbot is death process
John_Q_Deist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Punch to the gut, for sure.
TAasda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:38:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep Abbot from being death process
Dontcallmetiger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean North Korea?
mooomoocowplus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that contact?
thebrownkid ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:59:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's always a dumbass with explosives in these alien contact movies
mooomoocowplus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha indeed
John_Q_Deist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually both.
PM-ME-YOUR-SUBARU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if they have oil?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it prudent to task a very impulsive General with the task of overseeing their landing site and giving him final say in all matters; the type of guy who easily misinterprets peaceful overtures as acts of aggression, and isn't afraid to break out the nukes at a moment's notice.
Team this guy up with a few plucky scientists, and enjoy the roller coaster ride as the world is brought to the brink of annihilation by the retaliatory actions of a civilization with technology thousands of years ahead of humanity's, only to have said scientists disarm the nukes at the last possible second.
HoneydewHeadband ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 13:52:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Trump?
OlderAndTaller ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:11:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's always one
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:55:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
V original v edgy.
Consonant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:14:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ugh he doesn't even need explosives, keep that fucker away from the Aliens... seriously it would be our fucking prerogative as human beings to not allow him in relations what-so-fucking-ever
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:26:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would probably let them piss on him when he's comfortable and alone in his Penthouse and then we're all fucked.
Devilsfan118 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you even talking about
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you noticed the comments above, they are responding to the idea of communicating with intelligent life forms in space. Which a few commenters agreed would be nice as long as we keep the crazy people with explosive weapons away from said aliens. r/HoneydewHeadband asked if the previous comment was referring to current President of the United States; Donald J. Trump. The Donald is known for his stubborn temper, selfishness and hostility towards foreign peoples, which is why it would be ever so counter-productive that the Leader of the most important country to intergalactic relations be the one to meet with said aliens.
Now, in a different plot line, then Republican Nominee, Donald Trump, had an explosive leak of information by people or governments unknown to the US, which indicate that Mr. Trump may or may not have gone through with a scenario in a private setting involving two prostitutes and bodily fluids (otherwise known as 'golden showers'). The notion I am getting at is that I am afraid. Afraid that the President might try to use his charm and sharp wit to convince our new alien friends to participate in activities not unlike the ones allegedly committed by Mr. Trump's friends.
The reason I am afraid is because unilke humans, we might not have the technology to detect how dangerous/safe the bodily fluids of extra-terrestrials are, which might make any amusement the new President might crave to be that of a national threat to mankind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You suck
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
where's your sense of imagination??
Tactikal_Binky ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on us he is the alien
SSKBJustice ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:32:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a damn good movie, IMHO
code_vector ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:08:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That detail cracks me up.
badwolf504 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know! /r/laserdiscmasterrace
PeterPredictable ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:47:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact?
battering-ram ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:25:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they have not caught up to blu-ray yet, or maybe in their world they chose HD DVD
xTheMaster99x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then they aren't worth communicating with!
Macaulayputra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or we could just talk about Rampart.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, alien you wanna jet back to my place and pop in a blu ray?
zootskippedagroove6 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:56:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're gonna cringe at that ending though.
"That's....that's not quite how time works, guys."
kaiomann ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't understand the ending. It felt very ass-pulley, like they just had to have an ending.
xHoodedMaster ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:33:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the movie is based on a very good short story that has been out for years. that was the ending of the short story. its not an asspull
pishans1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What If they don't like rays
Cheeseand0nions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Independence Day.
paxgarmana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we could show them Independence day and ask them to not do that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4k
Apple--Eater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but what if they can't see the cable colors to plug into their ๐ฝ ๐บ?
Mendozozoza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to put the planets future interstellar diplomatic relations in the hands of Charlie Sheen.
quitesaucy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
penny_eater ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 13:57:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bluray uhd. lets not be savages.
henry_b ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"We're so advanced. Check out this VHS."
icepick314 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:16:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
betamax FTW!
Wannabkate ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And district 9.
yinoryang ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Jaz_the_Nagai ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
meh movie.
X-ScissorSisters ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should show them a good movie instead
TofuDeliveryBoy ยท 1038 points ยท Posted at 13:48:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mathematics. Unless physics is different in their neck of the universe, 1 will always equal 1 and those hard facts in theory can be used to establish communication. You could for example use a light or sound to represent certain values and build from there.
cthul_dude ยท 542 points ยท Posted at 13:57:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched Contact recently, that's the best representation of that method on film I've seen so far!
OrwellAstronomy23 ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 14:49:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carl sagan
cthul_dude ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:10:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
OrwellAstronomy23 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:12:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think of his impending biopic?
cthul_dude ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:22:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't know about it, but I've always been curious about him. He seems like a good subject for one.
OrwellAstronomy23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't know how far in the future it's projected to come out but the articles were released talking about it about 2 years ago
Warpimp ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:48:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because Carl Sagan wrote the book it was based on.
Troppin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:05:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to be that guy: the book is way better. Much better ending.
SewerRanger ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:51:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a different ending - not worse and not better. Just as the book and the movie had two different themes, they had two different endings. The movie was about belief in the unknown and the issues that arrive when this conflicts with sciences insistence on empirical evidence. There was a heavy use of religion - the Palmer character, the cult leader, the suicide bombing, etc - to show peoples reactions to the unknown. The ending reinforced this idea. It was now Dr Arroway who needed people to take her on her faith. The overall theme of the movie seemed to be that you can't/shouldn't dismiss someone else's faith out of hand simply because you don't understand it.
The novel had a different message. It was more about pushing on despite the odds. The novel ends with five scientist having no proof, but it goes a further with Dr. Arroway, never giving up and, eventually, finding yet another hidden message. The novel focused a little bit on the science and religion part, but the main themes were concerned with how science actually works and how to better communicate the inner workings of science with the lay public.
cthul_dude ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:10:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll check it out! I loved Contact right up until the super cheesy ending.
unlmtdLoL ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:17:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally liked the ending a lot. It captured that amazement you would feel in an alien world with entities.
cthul_dude ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:41:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a reason the movie is popular - that ending resonates with a lot of people. I'm glad you enjoy it. I think there were several approaches they could have taken, and I would've enjoyed a more realistic approach considering how much realism is in the first half of the film (ignoring the highly advanced graphics and simulations for the time).
paxgarmana ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:44:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that was such an underrated movie
lq13 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:34:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm okay to go
Myworkaccount1337 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still my favorite movie!
BassSamurai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carl Sagan wrote the book.
cthul_dude ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Holy shit
madison_rogue ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why it says "For Carl" at the beginning of the movie.
Watch for it next time you see it.
ignazwrobel ยท 388 points ยท Posted at 14:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what I love about mathematics on earth. When two mathematicians meet, they understand each other, no matter what languages they originally speak. Even if symbols differ, they can easily understand how a proof works.
jamasiel ยท 286 points ยท Posted at 15:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but all they talk about is math.
asphias ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:04:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Point is, it is a start for mutal understanding. If i put you in a foreign country with nobody speaking your language, you can learn to speak theirs within weeks. You start by pointing, repeating sounds, listening, etc. And soon enough you comprehend them.
With aliens, their means of communication and body language might be far more, well, alien to us. Just pointing and making throat sounds might not work. Mathematics, though, could be a familiar territory for both sides, and from there you can slowly extend language. Not to keep talking about fermats last theorem, but to eventually describe planets and stars through their mathematical characteristics, and eventually build a vocobulary that way.
jamasiel ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
B-E S-U-R-E-T-O-D-R-I-N-K-U-R-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E ??? Bitch!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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asphias ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the whole point. If we seem like idiots with a tiny vocabulary, at least we have a vocabulary to talk with them.
As such, we wouldn't care one bit about advanced mathematics, the fundamentals, or proofs. This would not be a pissing contest of mathematics.
To see a real world example, look at the voyager golden record . Using simple imaging, and basic binary, they try to explain how to use the golden record, but also where we came from, using the period and direction of pulsars to describe our position in the universe. the period of those pulsars is described in binary, in terms of the transitional time between the two fundamental states of the hydrogen atom.
Thats quite a lot of information in one picture, but obviously it has to be because you don't want to make it too complicated, yet you also only have one shot at "messaging" them.
So, rather than trying to describe set theory for some reason, a meeting with aliens could start with drawing(assuming they are visually advanced, use sounds or whatever in case their communication relies on other stuff) numbers, using the most basic tally method: show them the following pattern:
ll
lll
lllll
lllllll
lllllllllll
the list of the first 5 primes. Next, show them this pattern:
l
l
ll
lll
lllll
llllllll
lllllllllllll
lllllllllllllllllllll
Which is the fibonacci sequence. These two examples should make it clear that we're using tallys to indicate numbers, which allows us to make the following pattern: 0
l 1
ll 2
lll 3
llll 4
lllll 5
llllll 6
lllllll 7
llllllll 8
lllllllll 9
llllllllll 10
lllllllllll 11
llllllllllll 12
Which should show us how our number system works. After which, we can use these numbers to describe simple mathematical operations, thus exchanging our whole mathematical notation. After math notation is clear, we can use that to go on describing physics(think of using the atomic number for different elements, for example), and eventually we can describe everything and communicate.
And obviously the above is just one direction of communicating, at the same time, assuming these species are intelligent and want to communicate in the first place, they'd probably be showing their mathematical notation, adding to sequences to show they understood what we meant, etc.
This is what we will be doing, not starting with fundamental math proofs, but with simple pattern recognition and mutual understanding.
Combersquatcher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go figure
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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danhern ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
except for portal 2
spoonsforeggs ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:29:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spams look over here
airboy1021 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:29:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
steps off the button, making them fall in the water
Joe_The_Eskimo1337 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kaiise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which use math. QED math solves all problems
ailee43 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only because we all speak decimal as human beings
Homitu ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:25:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, they can communicate with each other because they essentially do speak the same language: they're both fluent in mathematics. It's its own language that must be learned first.
nybo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah algebra is a language in itself, a friend showed me the solution to a 3rs degree polynomial in English and it was like a quarter of a page long.
Sardonnicus ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:54:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the same with musicians.
ignazwrobel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, yes. I love big international orchestras with Musicians from all over the world playing music from all over the world.
Ghost-Fairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Music is math too though. Math using sound.
It really is the universal language. At least as far as we can understand.
Sardonnicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frank Zappa said music was actually sculpture. To him playing music was making air sculptures using sound waves.
Ghost-Fairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a really interesting idea - I've never heard that before. I wonder if he had a touch of synesthesia or just an excellent imagination. Either way, that's a really cool visualization.
Sardonnicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zappa was a huge Devotee of Edgard Varรจse. All of Zappa's more "dissonant" and abstractness that can be found in some of his music can be all traced back to Edgard Varรจse. This includes Zappa's sculpture comments. Looks like you've got some homework now. Lol... it's interesting. if you go down the Edgard Varรจse rabbit hole, I promise you won't be bored.
Ghost-Fairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, thank you so much! This is great! The links between artists and influences has always been so, so interesting to me. I took a class - The History of Music: The Rock Era - that went from the 30s to the present and watching the way musicians influenced each other and being able to hear the way their music changed... Just really, really cool stuff. This should definitely keep me busy for a bit!
Sardonnicus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Music is a tree with vast roots and everything is interconnected. I drive uber and lyft in my spare time and once gave a ride to a bunch of highschool kids. They kept going on and on about the latest rapper, no idea who it was. Anyways... I asked if they ever heard of Tribe called Quest. They said no. I started playing it. They instantly started talking about how they had heard bits of this in songs from their favorite rappers. I said it's all connected. This is what your favorite rappers were listening to when they were young and getting started. So go out and listen to this. And then find out what Tribe was listening to when they were starting out and go an listen to that and see how deep you can go. Kids today have millions of albums from all genres available instantly in their pockets... yet 90% listen to awful pop and mumble rap. Frustrating.
AcidCyborg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Easily" lmao
xRom3 ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:00:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not always.
Give me the answer to 6รท2(1+2)
This proved to me that while I always thought maths are the same for everyone it definitely isn't.
DamnLemur ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just need to follow bidmas, mate
xRom3 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 18:22:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm not gonna argue which is the right way since we can only follow the rules we're taught (we're still all getting ''right'' answer, just according to different rules), but that wasn't my point here :P people seemed to miss it but whatever
damian001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:38:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AFAIK, there's only one way to do the Order of Operations. If someone only does maths from left to right without doing them in the Order of Operations, that doesn't mean they were "taught differently." It means they weren't paying attention during 3rd grade math.
camelCaseIsDumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:51 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no objectively correct order of operations. There are many that are used. You'll find many mathematicians and physicists will interpret 1/2pi as 1/(2pi) even though that's not PEMDAS.
xRom3 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't think that's the case, just google the question and you'll find out that a lot of people claim the right answer is 1. According to the rules I was taught it's 9, but for me absolute truths do not exist and so if someone proves I was taught wrong it's fine by me.
6รท2(1+2) =6รท2x3 =3x3 =9
damian001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why did you remove the parenthesis in the second part of your equation? You were not finished with them. It should be written 6รท2(3)
The 2(3) has priority to being multiplied first, because there are still parenthesis in the equation.
6รท2(1+2) = 6รท2(3) = 6รท6 = 1
ignazwrobel ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is ambiguous. A mathematician would always define anything that could be interpreted in multiple ways. Let's assume we are in the space of the real numbers, with standard Arabic characters. I will go with PEMDAS, like it is common in the US. Resolving parentheses first: 6/2*3, then multiplication: 6/6 and lastly division, resulting in 1.
RaeADropOfGoldenSun ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:22:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PEMDAS doesn't mean multiplication then division (or addition then subtraction), those steps each go together and are just left to right. Thats why it can also be written BEDMAS. It doesn't matter because multiplication and division can be rearranged, but yeah. Division isn't always after multiplication.
swanfirefly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I'm also in the "divide first" club, understanding why mathematicians solve this differently is interesting to say the least - and I understand that both solutions can be correct depending on how you're reading this -
Some mathematicians (I'm talking master's degree level) solve the "multiplication" first - because it's written as 2(2+1) not 2*(2+1), which, while done for ease, can also imply that the outer 2 is part of the parenthesis.
6/2(3) when you read it condensed, which can be used to imply "do this multiplication before that division" - because there are still unresolved parenthesis.
For me and you - 6/2 * 3 = 9, because we do math left to right after resolving the parenthesis.
Robonia ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:34:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you could make the point that the algebraic syntax is the source of the ambiguity. There's this wonderful programming language named Lisp where expressions are written as lists, which are denoted by parenthesis, using a prefix notation. So for instance 1 + 2 would become (+ 1 2).
so the expression:
would be represented in Lisp as:
Despite appearing odd at first, once one's familiar with its syntax it effectively conveys how one would evaluate the expression.
xRom3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, not sure why I was downvoted, since I wasn't trying to actually get an answer, but to prove a point :P
If we already have these types of questions from math that people have different answers to, then they might have other rules.
Robonia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I believe the above commenters are saying is that there is only one answer if you follow the standardized order of operations. However, your statement does raise a good question about the order of operations which is - why are they in the order they're in?.
Basically, it's just a standard that the mathematical community agrees upon to represent expressions in their most concise form and that would evaluate the same for each person.
ignazwrobel ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:53:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be honest I am not familiar with BEDMAS/PEMDAS. I have never visited a school in the US, the UK or any other English-speaking country. But I know that it doesn't matter. Because I know that on page six of the lecture notes that my current maths professor shared with us students, just after some basic set theory, there is an axiomatic description of the set of the real numbers. And below that list of all ten needed axioms, there is a statement saying that we will interprete ab+cd as (a*b)+(c*d). And when I might get another professor there are two possibilities: He will write down the way he likes it, or I will ask him. And then happily use his preferred choice.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LowRune ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you dropped these * *
rasori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh. I'm willing to admit I'm wrong on this one.
I didn't realize how my subconscious automatically interprets nX as (n*X) for any value n and X (that aren't both constants and therefore a literal number).
If the expression were written 6รท2*(1+2) I would have arrived at 9 - I know that the order of Multiplication and Division doesn't matter. But written 6รท2(1+2) I mentally replaced the expression with 6รท(2*(1+2))
In simple algebra, there's no question that 1รท2x is meant to be 1รท(2x) and not xรท2, so I guess that's where it came from.
crowsturnoff ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you have an actual conversation using mathematics? For example, how do you ask "Where are you from?" in math-speak?
Math is a great way to know that we're all on the same page and willing to communicate. I don't see how it actually allows us to have a conversation, though.
SecretGrey ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:41:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once everyone is ready for communication, we teach each other our respective language. Happens all the time with humans. All you need is one thing in common(math) then you name everything in that. Then you use that to explain an ever increasing vocabulary. That, or possibly the good old point and name.
~points to name on thread~ "OP"
YeOldeBard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:43:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably couldn't ask it directly, however, you could use a method like was used on the pioneer plaque to show a location in space.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque#/media/File%3APioneer_plaque.svg
The lines show various pulsars and the Sun's position relative to them, given time the alien life could interpret this and produce their own, hence answering the question "Where did you come from?"
AllAmericanBatman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Science is the answer. The basic ability to draw simple representations of carbon, oxygen, and hydrogen as well as simple concepts like the Pythagorean therem will be essential to demonstrating that we're an intelligent species.
Lanky_Giraffe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that our representations of atoms aren't accurate pictures, and there's absolutely no reason to believe another intelligent species would be able to identify its significance.
Cadvin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're not perfectly accurate, but if we give them a box full of hydrogen gas with a rough approximation of a hydrogen atom on the lid, I'd hope that a species advanced enough to travel through space would be smart enough to puzzle it out.
DoctorPrisme ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:23:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so tell me, how do you explain the sentence "How did you came here" from a few numbers to some sentient being that breathes methane, has no eye and perceives sounds you don't ?
BottomDog ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 14:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
obviousflamebait ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Methane-breathing-alien-guy isn't going to understand shit from this guy, that's the only thing we know for sure.
BowtieCustomerRep ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:54:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
memes. intergalactic memes
Shootypatootie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:59:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming the alien species is technologically proficient enough to reach us and decided to reach us specifically, it probably has communication methods already worked out.
DoctorPrisme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, since we're unable to discuss with dogs, fishes and bacteria's, I'll take it we are probably unable to understand interstellar beings.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DoctorPrisme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 08:48:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're making assumptions again.
What you know of light is limited by our current understanding of nature. At some point we knew nothing about oxygen, which we f*ckin need to live. We might be ignorant of "the slood", which would be the most useful resource in the universe.
And saying alien being would have eyes is, again, an assumption, not to mention "eyes seeing the same wavelength of light as us".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is mathematics is universal. No intelligent species would be able to make contact with us without a deep understanding of mathematical concepts. If the can't, they aren't an intelligent species. And no we're not talking about basic 2+2 and whatever. We're talking about proofs and mathematical concepts that are far beyond what they teach in high school. Theoretical physics would probably be a big means for communication in answering your question "How did you come here". Assuming they want to make peaceful contact, they'll explain their methods of travel through math. If we can establish mathematical functions and symbols between both species, then algorithms can be created to create a means for communication.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MissSwat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's very true. We're assuming that if we express an intelligent idea to them through math our whatever that they would recognize it as something belonging to an advanced group. For all we know a simple equation of 1+1=2 might look like pasta vomited onto a page. It could mean nothing to them.
Assuming they have the ability to see in the same way we do, a simple image would be best. I'd guess you would have to start small, like a picture of yourself, and then maybe replace the picture with your name. That would help establish that the symbols/letters represent you. Do that with enough things and hopefully we'd be able to share our concept of the alphabet and begin to communicate our own questions.
How they respond is an entirely different thing.
hrgilbert ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be the other way. Assuming that the intelligent life form contacted us first, they would certainly be the ones asking the questions. I'm sure that any extraterrestrial capable of contacting us, would be much more adept and capable of decoding our language and methods of communication.
It would be a very one sided interaction. They understanding us, us probably not understanding them at all.
DoctorPrisme ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You totally miss the point of my question, which was "How", and was meant to be unanswerable.
You just don't know what those beings would be able to perceive. Therefore, you cannot assert you will be able to communicate.
(By the way, saying they can't make contact with us without understanding mathematics is, again, an apriori you have that is funded only on your understanding of space. For what you know, there might be somewhere a species naturally able to fly through space and survive, so they could arrive here totally randomly. Tardigrades for instance.)
But let's say they are indeed fully skilled in math and physics, and let's say they perceive some part of reality the same way we do, there's still a big "If" in your statement : "IF we can establish mathematical functions and symbols". That shall probably be the hardest thing mankind has ever done. But even from there, you wouldn't be able to ask questions.
Two mathematicians can agree on "E=MCยฒ". But if one only speaks hindi and the other only speaks russian, they'll be totally incapable of discussing their favorite food, the name of their wife or the existence of god.
Shadow14l ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we're making the assumption that they would be able to detect something on the electromagnetic spectrum (otherwise it'd be impossible for them to reach us). Therefore it's just a matter of sending out data in the form of some frequency and wavelength that both parties can understand.
DoctorPrisme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:46:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, "it's just a matter of that".
None-Of-You-Are-Real ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it theorized that an alien civilization advanced enough to be capable of interstellar travel would be highly unlikely to be interested in conquering a newly-encountered species, particularly one which is less technologically and socially advanced?
I know it's obviously conjecture but the idea of such a species being that advanced but also still being susceptible to such primal and base urges as conquest and domination seems unlikely to me.
UnrelatedChair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always had some problems in completely accepting this theory. I mean, beyond all the justified common places about humans and war, if they were even vaguely similar to us yeah sure, maybe or even probably, a million time evolved version of us with our empathy, intelligence and the such would decide that peace is better than war and annihilation.
But what if they don't have the concept of peace? What if they don't have feelings the same way we have, or a moral system the same way we intend it?
Maybe in their society would be completely acceptable to eat another being to reinforce the stronger, or something that we equally see as grim and scary that would be totally normal and actually worked for them. Or maybe they already encountered similar form of lives and since they just need the space for something equally unintelligible to us they'd just shrug and gas us the same way we'd do with a colony of cockroaches. Or they could be space bugs themselves or something. I don't know, when we talk about other "intelligences" I always figure something so different than human being and human thought that it would be impossible to predict their intentions..
Even if I actually hope it would turn as you say as all the above is scary as hell
hrgilbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems like a very strange and massive assumption to make. Colonialism seems to be a pretty universal trait on this planet, I don't see why we would assume it wouldn't be on another.
None-Of-You-Are-Real ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the level of group cohesion and social/technological advancement it would require to develop the capacity for interstellar travel is a lot higher than the level it takes to build some ships and cross a body of water to kill the local natives?
Colonialism was/is primarily the end result of the pursuit of acquiring more land/resources/human labor by force. It stands to reason that a civilization capable of interstellar travel would likely have no need for human labor or our resources and no interest in waging interplanetary warfare for no reason like a B-rate sci-fi movie from the seventies.
briaen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:49:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes but if they speak in binary and aren't based 10(they won't be) the numbering system won't be the same.
exafighter ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even though that sounds reasonable, there's no reason to be sure that mathematica couldn't be appoached differently. A physics example that gives a perfect example is the fact that we have both quantum physics and conventional physics, but they are not interchangeable. Stuff just seems to follow different rules on smaller scales. Physicians from all over the world are still looking for the theory that explains both conventional and quantum physics phenomena. One approach they're working out is the string theory, but we're not sure whether it's going to work out. Another example: even though we discovered the Higgs boson, we are still not completely sure if the standard model is complete, as the model has no way to explain gravity. There are tons of other examples to mention.
The same applies for every other part of science, including maths, sometimes a certain model is not complete enough to explain everything. There's a good chance that the mathematics we have nowadays will keep working, but it's not said that it will always be the solution for everything. Who knows, maybe we'll end up with two mathematical systems in the future because one doesn't work in certain situations. And then we can start searching for a system that works in both situations. Science is awesome.
PM_ME_YOUR_JOKES ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because physics is based upon emperical evidence. Mathematics and logic are not. Once you've proven something, you cannot disprove it.
exafighter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right about that. We derived our understanding of physics based on our observations, while with maths that is not the case.
camelCaseIsDumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:38 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The foundations of logic are 100% empirically derived, unless you can objectively explain to me why we use classic logics vs. say, intuitionist logics, fuzzy logics, quantum logics, multi-valued logics, or any of a plethora of logical systems. We primarily use the one we do due to empirical reasons -- specifically, that it is "useful" to us.
Shootypatootie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math is not a true science, though it is a field of study. Math can be "approached" in various ways but it doesn't really change as we learn more, in the same way that physics changes and we develop more accurate models for it. Math doesn't have models, its more like the model-maker. Tbh, I don't really have the background to discuss this in depth, and im hoping a mathematician will hop in and clarify further. This is just what I remember being told by actual mathematicians in the past.
frank_loves_you ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to nitpick, but it's 'physicists'
exafighter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, I'm not a native speaker. You're right.
frank_loves_you ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a really common error. I actually assumed you were native.
pmyournipple ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:44:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah good luck writing down numbers and shit.
1 means 1 2 means 2 3 means please xir don't eat me
zamoose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy Anathems.
tael89 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People say this, but there was a long time where 0 wasn't a concept and an even greater time where negative numbers made no sense.
Nerdn1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math is good for saying "I'm intelligent and want to talk" but it is NOT easy to get from math to other subjects. I like math, but at a certain point you have to start pointing at stuff and saying the word (or other representation like written word, braille representation, etc.) for the thing.
I wonder which language would be best to use. English has some quirks that are almost embarrassing to try to explain, such as homonyms and homographs. Then there are contronyms which are words that can mean the opposite of themselves. Limiting the complexity and ambiguity of the language would be the best. I don't know enough about other languages to cite an ideal one. Maybe simplifying an existing language would also work.
Also, the way we think about things and communicate could be very different. Imagine an octopus-like alien who cannot vocalize (and subsequently weights auditory information less) and communicates through a complex sign language requiring multiple flexible limbs and color-changing skin, possibly using some colors outside our visual range or that we can't differentiate. They might try to teach us their language and get frustrated when we stare blankly in confusion.
zcv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming that the aliens see and hear in the same parts of the visible and audible spectrum that we do.
Wannabkate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then you find out that they are using an base 8 system.
ailee43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all depending what modulus and base they use for their math. Its surmountable, but if they count in hex, or octal, or something else, initially we wont talk "the same language".
http://turner.faculty.swau.edu/mathematics/materialslibrary/pi/pibases.html
Paragade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're Terrance Howard, then 1x1=2
Olli399 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We will likely know that aliens are coming to earth, long before they actually get here. Plus we couldn't physically interact due to potential diseases.
HookDragger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not use atomic structure? Then as long as they are in this universe helium is always helium, etc. It will also give you a much larger base to work with for extremely complex ideas.
Thejoker883 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if their number base wasn't 10, but something weird like 23?
noelcowardspeaksout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you need something extra how would you say hello in maths - you could exchange a number system easily and go to functions from there, but it is completely unrelated to hello or the vast panoply of concepts and ideas. You need pictures. A picture of a human with arrows to bits and pieces with them named, then illustrations for walking, talking, etc Once you have delineated a number of words you can build it up from there just using words. Eg Running = fast + walking etc. You could just use black and white square bitmaps for the pictures - they wouldn't take long for people to work out from a stream of binary code.
avo_cado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should read blindsight
pradeep23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prime numbers specifically.
Ndemco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But .9 repeating is not equal to 1. I don't care how many mathematicians tell me it is. IT IS NOT.
CrotchFungus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they are so advanced they realize that 1 unit of anything is simply concentrated energy and instead they communicate using their brains to send subconcious, hyper-dimensional waves.
KingJayVII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm actually curious: how do you connect the abstract (light signals and math) with the non abstract (like peace/ water/ star/ whatever you want to say)? I mean, our language only works because someone showed you the abstract signal (sound or writing) and combined it with the thing. How do you do that if you only have abstract communication and can't show them what you mean by that?
InadequateUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On stargate the example the used to show human intelligence/to communicate with another species (the asgard I think) was drawing a representation of Pi and some other mathematical concepts.
Though I realize while typing this that we discovered Pi long, long ago so maybe not.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what number means please don't kill us
aqf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if they don't understand abstract representations of things?
[deleted] ยท 342 points ยท Posted at 13:38:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless they're telepathic or something I'm pretty sure we could figure out how they communicate.
Being able to talk to them might be a real challenge though. The animals here on earth can't communicate directly with us, and aren't intelligent enough to really understand us.
mp54 ยท 353 points ยท Posted at 13:52:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, my dog is pretty smart. She's also very clear when she's hungry, has to pee or wants to play. So as long as the aliens are simple people, we should be ok.
littlebuggacs ยท 169 points ยท Posted at 14:20:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wr have breed dogs for centuries to behave like that.
Wolves wont communicate like that
ezzune ยท 360 points ยท Posted at 14:32:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we breed the Aliens for a few centuries. Easy.
Asraelite ยท 103 points ยท Posted at 15:57:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or let them breed us. That sounds fun.
flygoing ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 17:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anyone who doesn't think there would be a large portion of society that just wants to fuck the aliens as soon as they land is lying to theirself
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:59:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really depends on how they look. I mean, no matter what there'll be one guy who wants to fuck them, but it might not be a large portion of society.
flygoing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lying to yourself
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What , if they're hot I'm obviously gonna try to fuck them but we don't know what they're going to look like .
FeedMeEmilyBluntsAss ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:00:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I'd be lying if I said "No, I definitely don't want to fuck an Asari," while playing Mass Effect.
ds612 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your comment reminded me of a planet in the star wars galaxy that housed perfect specimens of humans who communicated via pheromones and just want everyone to be happy overall. I would like to be visited by such beings.
Hade_Firbrun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zeltron?
ds612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that the one? I can't remember. I think that may be it but I have doubts of anything alien starting with Z that has 2 syllables because they keep reminding me of the time I watched Dude Where's My Car and people were always doing the "Zoltan" gang sign in real life.
Hade_Firbrun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sexy pink peeps? Zeltron
ds612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's the one then.
teotwawkiaiff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OK, that's one time I'd like to be 2nd..
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 16:15:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least then I'd stop being a virgin.
hahajustkiddingimsolonely
OhMy_No ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death by snu snu.
demalo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oddly enough I'm surprised there isn't a DNA dating site where you're paired up with the most compatible person based on your DNA. It could be an interesting experiment.
Lord_Van-Cren ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't that... pair you with your parents? Or at least direct family members? Because if that's the case, there's a pretty good reason for that.
demalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I started doing a little googling and there are a few out there apparently. Studies have been done showing some couples with opposite immune systems are more compatible and generally last longer than those couples with similar immune systems. DNA sites are basing their matches on this information using markers that indicate differences in immune systems. Far from perfect, but an interesting start to finding good genetic pairings.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we are the dog in this scenario.
Fraerie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And probably not a very smart one at that (think red setter).
yourlocalheathen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So coconut aliens?
Flyingfishlegs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2 meta 2 fast
2202Jonathan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you not watched the "Alien" franchise movies?!
teotwawkiaiff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And people'd be like, "There he goes. Homeboy fucked a Martian.."
FogeltheVogel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slow down captain Kirk
AbstractGrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would they still be aliens?
kaiise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phil your obsession with alien sex had taken over your life
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:35:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, except for the captive wolves, bears, big cats and other wild animals that will behave like that.
Stop thinking just because animals aren't as advanced as us they're just soulless automatons.
Z0di ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try to figure out what a bird is thinking.
it's very difficult.
LittlePetiteGirl ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:50:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really difficult, true, but if you turn it into a deeply involved hobby or job then you can learn them pretty well. I also know people that have just taught their parrots to use flashcards to say what they want and how they feel.
Z0di ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Parrots have the largest bird brain; they really aren't representative.
they are the equivalent of aa 5 yr old basically.
SpaceCaseSixtyTen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are souless automations too, just with a little more awareness and ability to reason to an extent
mp54 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we start breeding aliens?
Baby-eatingDingo_AMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be easy, but we'll need a way to communicate with them first.
Piggynosepitbull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we can interpret basic cues (wagging tail vs growling) and respond according to instincts we know. That's how people form relationships with wild animals.
LadyofRivendell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All animals have their own communication via body language, which can be studied and interpreted by humans with a little time. For example, I can tell what mood my horse is in and what they're going to do next based off of the angle of their ears. With a bit of time spent around horses, anybody could learn this. And it's not a domestication thing - horses in the wild, across all continents, display the same basic body language. This same thing applies to nearly all mammals.
Fish and birds, on the other hand, have entirely different methods of body language and communication. That, I have not studied and can't really say anything about.
the_jews_is_loose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are off by a couple orders of magnitude:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog
Ace29054 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
False I have a wolf and she walks into her cage and yipps when hungry walks to backdoor and yipps when she has to go outside it's all in the training my dude she doesn't even attack my chickens anymore like she did when she was a puppy
TheGreatTrogs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like people say this shit a lot, about pretty much anything pertaining to dogs and their relationship to humans, and always with no actual proof to back it up.
This is one thing that is certainly not because of the way dogs have been bred. You can teach fish to surface for food. Bears will rear up and snarl to tell others to GTFO. I've even got a friend who has trained the neighborhood squirrels to eat out of her hand when she sits in a particular spot. People and animals communicate all the frickin time. It has nothing to do with genetics.
groovyt0ny ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:19:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my dog could be in a coma and he would still launch himself out of his bed and go searching if i utter the words "where's the ball?"
DuckAndCower ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:54:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I have this heartbreaking image of you kneeling over your motionless dog, sobbing "Where's the ball, boy?" over and over.
Pharogaming ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:00:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, I didn't want those feels this morning.
groovyt0ny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but... he always wakes up...
DuckAndCower ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not this time, my friend. Not this time...
androgenoide ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:39:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently a lot of dogs can be made to recognize about 200 words and at least one has learned almost a thousand. Humans, however, don't seem to be as able to recognize the nuances of dog communication.
mp54 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:49:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we're the dumb ones?
Pharogaming ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:02:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They bark repeatedly because they know we're stupid and ignore them the first 30 times.
androgenoide ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:17:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or that we simply lack motivation. We still get fed even if we don't understand what the dog is trying to communicate. Dogs are dependent on humans and it's in their best interest to understand us. Some one made a similar argument about crows. The birds apparently recognize human individuals but humans can rarely identify an individual crow. Humans are dangerous and a critical part of the crow's environment. It's in their best interest to identify us but we are almost entirely unaffected by the crow's needs.
ameya2693 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. And this is why I want us to develop tools to communicate with elephants, dolphins and other primates. I think if we could speak to an elephant or a dolphin we'd probably start to take care of the animal world since we would be able to actually understand their needs too. It's not that they can't communicate, they speak a different language. Now, as the more intelligent species, I'd say that the onus is on us to build tools and methods to understand these creatures as it is, to an extent, in our interests to understand them.
androgenoide ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Given that an elephant cannot produce human sounds and has no hands what do you suppose a common communication system would look like?
anchpop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:27:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using their trunk to type on a very big keyboard
ameya2693 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:33:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, likely we'll need some kind of subsonic detection system to understand how they communicate with each other over long distances using the ground, which they have been known to do. Probably need some kind of camera-based recognition system to understand what their trunk positions mean too as they likely use those to communicate with each other as well.
androgenoide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, their use of that trunk would make elephant body language pretty strange.
FishyDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Symbols. There is at least one elephant that can paint a pretty damn darn good elephant. I feel out own sense of surperioty is the man problem. There trucks are almost as useful as our hands.
androgenoide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen paintings done by elephants but I haven't seen any that really look like anything. Maybe I need to look around a bit?
FishyDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it really comes down to it are we the smarter ones? Dolpines, some whales and elephants brains look to be more advanced then ours. For example dolpines have been seen to get high, masturbate with eels, and after recording pods and putting it thru computer programs we have seen that they gossip. Of those creatures we are the only ones that have bent nature and the world to our wills. Makes me wonder who is actually more advanced.
They also have names. We have no idea what they mean but we have been able to determine they do have names for each other they use (clicks and coose that we need a computer to figure out for us.) It's just mind boggling to me that we are still convinced we are so much better. Human ignorance simply needs to ve over come and we really should look at these creatures as equals. India has the right idea classifying dolpines as near human people.
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-- Douglas Adams
FishyDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha I was hoping some won went they there. Your welcome. For the fish.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:22:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be difficult though. I believe communication in the animal kingdom is mostly stuff like alerting to threats,mating calls, territorial calls etc, i.e they all serve a purpose.
I don't think there'd be any other animal that talks just for the sake of it. Although there was the gorilla that learnt to sign.
hrgilbert ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever heard of a parrot?
ameya2693 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we don't know that. It's better to find out that animals don't talk for the sake of talking than speculate that they don't talk just for the sake of it.
androgenoide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy enough for us to recognize simple stuff like that and, for most animals, there may be no more to it than that but...there are a few animals that show intelligence at the level of human children. Perhaps you're right and there's nothing there but how would we know? I don't think we pay enough attention to say with certainty that there is nothing there.
androgenoide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe the problem is to create some sort of "lingua franca" that doesn't require hands or a sophisticated vocal apparatus. Maybe this discussion belongs in r/conlangs (or r/minlangs).
mp54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are few things in this world that I put more effort into than trying to have a full conversation with my dog.
androgenoide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I assume you recognize that barks are not all the same and that body language is very significant. Still, even the cow-dog handler is typically limited to passing a good deal of information to the dog and getting very little in return.
What I have often wondered is...Would it be possible to teach a responsive animal like a dog some system of communication that would be easily intelligible to a human? Vocalizations with a very limited number of phonemes? Manual communication without hands? Maybe a combination of those and something else? It's pure speculation and I have no answers.
mp54 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get what you're saying and completely theoretically, wouldn't it be easier to learn their system and adapt to what they naturally do? That way a specific bark would mean one thing and other dogs would already think the same way?
I obviously have no real answers either, totally just making this up.
androgenoide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah... I suppose just paying more attention to what the dog is thinking would be a step in the right direction but I suppose I was thinking that given some intermediate system that was accessible to both species would make it easier to teach new concepts that were not already familiar.
androgenoide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention that a communication system accessible to both dogs and humans would probably be accessible to other species as well...elephants, at least. Maybe even crows and dolphins...
Pasuma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Precisely.
Just_For_Da_Lulz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I interpreted him as saying that we are the simple people in his analogy. If we're the smarter group, I'd pity the aliens.
Curlysnail ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I uh, think we'd be more like the dogs tbh.
BlizzardEz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not given that aliens would have to do those things and he probably couldnt tell you what abstract thing (for us ) he has to do without word by word translations
mp54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hieroglyphics
budom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...but they won't be ok because of us :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact: rub their bellies
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WE are the "simple people" to the aliens.
saintmain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If aliens comes to us, We are the ones, that are simple people.
mp54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if we go to aliens, are they the simple people?
saintmain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We dont know the alien progress, but we know the human and we are in the birth of a type 0 civilization.
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they come over here we'd probably be the dogs in the relationship.
mp54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dog has a freaking great life, I'll take the hit.
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't complaining. I'd like to be a service dog though.
kingbanana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did a study with wolves and dogs where they locked some food in a cage. The dogs gave up after a few tries and looked to the handlers to open the cage while the wolves just tried to tear it open.
sosurprised ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:47:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We think the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-finned_pilot_whale has a larger neocortex than we do. Why haven't we tried communicating with them?
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there is clearly more to higher intelligence than the size of the neocortex.
sosurprised ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are they not intelligent? The neocortex is our best guess as to what makes us conscious, according to neuroscience.
Pinkamenarchy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:12:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if we're not intelligent enough to talk to them, really makes u think
wxsted ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many animals are able to understand people if they live with or around them. Not at the same level of a person, of course. But if we're talking about an intelligent species they'll have a language to communicate, unlike all the species (beside us) we know. And any language can be translated.
AlwaysTexan ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:52:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe we are not intelligent enough to communicate on theirs :O
cryo ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt that.
the-real-apelord ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they've mastered intergalactic travel I think communication would be elementary. The only problem would be down-shifting to our level.
(I've just had visions of the Trumpoloompa as first contact and feel quite nauseous..)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who said they mastered it? What if we encountered the first being from their civilization to ever travel to another solar system or even planet?
They could be on our level about some things and not others.
the-real-apelord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or win a faster than light spacecraft in a late-night poker game.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if our first contact is with the Donald Trump of the aliens' society?
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you master something doesnโt mean you are now unable to understand people who havenโt. We arenโt. I never bought that argument.
marsglow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:59:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dogs understand us. So do a lot of apes and possibly dolphins.
androgenoide ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:41:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some animals seem to communicate rather effectively with one another but humans can't really understand them. If it's just a question of intelligence maybe we need to work harder.
cryo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but their comminication is vastly more primitive than ours. They donโt discuss art or mathematics.
androgenoide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's really simple it should be easy to understand.
TheForgottenOne_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:50:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We taught an ape sign language.
RQK1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean we succeeded on Earth
HeatHazeDaze524 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically the plot of Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game"
Definitely give it a read
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Had to read it in 9th grade but we had to analyze and write about every single portion making it boring as hell.
I should read it again now as an adult.
HeatHazeDaze524 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read it 3 times at different stages of life and it's had a different impact every time. I really really recommend giving it another look
Sawyer731123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:27:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But look at dolphins. People have been putting a lot of effort into understanding their language but have very little to show for it. I think it's because dolphins have a part of their brain we don't have that lets them "see" sound. That's how they communicate. We don't have the ability to understand. Like a blind person trying to learn sign language
Aphemia1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can hear and see a very strict range of frequencies. The odds of finding aliens communicating in that same range of frequencies is very small.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:16:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have the technology to detect a far greater range than we can naturally though.
thatmorrowguy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am currently streaming music into my Bluetooth headphones. That means that I am currently receiving communication from a computer that has been translated through electrical pulses on copper, then into light as it is broadcast and rebroadcast hundreds of miles (or maybe via microwaves to/from space depending on the route), then back into microwave radiation to my phone, where it is again translated into Bluetooth signal into my headphones that translate that Bluetooth microwave signal into sound waves.
Most of our images of the universe in telescopes are actually receiving wavelength well outside of the visible light spectrum. When you see cool pictures in National Geographic or on Cosmos, they've simply mapped the various wavelengths into visible light colors so they make sense to our eyes.
Once you can discover some sort of pattern to the communication, it's easily possible to translate that into a signal we understand. The challenge could come if it's some sort of signal we don't currently have devices to receive. Many animals communicate via pheromones and smells. While we can build chemical detectors for certain chemical markers, it could be really challenging to build a language out of varying types of chemical structures. Similarly, they could communicate by certain vibrations of quarks or just via such advanced technology we don't even have the physics to decode it. Imagine if the ancient Egyptians or Greek were trying to communicate to a WiFi Router. The WiFi router would be more than happy to communicate over 802.11a - 802.11n, but the ancients had no detectors able to receive those signals.
cryo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because itโs probably not a coincidence that we happen to see and hear those ranges. You are assuming that itโs by random chance, but that doesnโt have to be the case. For example, we donโt breathe oxygen by chance; there are other elements on earth that can be used as an oxidizing agent in a similar way, but itโs the one that gives the most energy.
Fudge89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They may communicate in a way that we haven't even conceived. Something nonexistent in our world. Like imaging how they communicate would be like trying to image a new color.
PsiGhost ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this. Meeting an another intelligent species would figuratively mean that two worlds collide. The problem is simple, everytime we try to imagine an alien species in our minds, which relies heavily on experience, and those experiences are heavily colored by culture and our human nature. So every time we imagine an alien, it is more human like than real aliens actually might be. We have zero clue how real aliens could look like and behave. Everything is possible. Hell, they could even have a completly different perception of time and communicate something in the blink of an eye, and we would never percieve it because we are too slow.
cryo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but I donโt think so. Same physics, same possible chemistry etc.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:12:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except they live in the same universe bound by the same physical laws. Also, itโs not hard to conceptually imagine a new color, just like we can imagine a 7 dimensional space if we want to. Sure, we canโt visualize it, but we are pretty good abstract thinkers.
ggouge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we cared enough we could talk to dolphins.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or... maybe we aren't intelligent enough to communicate with other animals
one_armed_herdazian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they're telepathic, maybe it'll be really easy to talk to them.
cryo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnโt exist. Physics.
Milo359 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could be discovered. We don't know everything.
TheAngryGoat ยท 481 points ยท Posted at 13:44:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when you take the comms lag into account. Let's say we get super luck and find a species to communicate with as close as 5 light years away, that's a 10 year round trip just to say hello to each other. In the time between messages, world leaders will have come and gone, maybe even whole countries.
And that's once we even manage to get communications working. Imagine how long it will take to learn the languages.
"Does blorp mean cheese? Ask them if blorp means cheese."
10 years later.
"Apparently blorp doesn't mean cheese. What is cheese anyway? That weird food our parents used to eat? Anyway apparently blorp means 'prepare for our imminent nuclear attack and invasion'. I don't think we're getting anywhere here, we built our entire understanding of their language on blorp meaning cheese."
lalorobot ยท 594 points ยท Posted at 14:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really doubt people will forget what cheese is in 10 years man.
julio_and_i ยท 458 points ยท Posted at 14:37:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The darkest timeline.
not_mantiteo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think Wisconsin would ever let that happen.
Deathly_Raven ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In time, you will know the tragic extent of my failings.
DMAN591 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:57:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it gets darker.
TheAngryGoat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:00:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All cheese is lost to us apart from "american cheese".
Chazzwuzza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'll take nuclear holocaust over a world without cheese any day.
slingmustard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world without cheese is a world I want no part of.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like the cheesiest timeline. ba dum tiss
wenzelboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remind yourself over confidence is a slow and insidious killer
flavorjunction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you need me, I'll just be munching on a block of cheese.
That_Bar_Guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truly. All of my favourite food is just cheese with different accompanimenta
TheOne-ArmedMan ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They better fuckin not.
BegginStripper ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They used to say the same about potatoes
UmerHasIt ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:57:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About whats? Never heard of those
unaskthequestion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheese, you know, from the before time.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE NORTH REMEMBERS!
-From WI.
CODESIGN2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends if you mean dairy cheese
DubbleReppuken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if we don't forget what cheese is, but we only know how to make prepackaged american cheese?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheMostDankestMemes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...yes? Communication at light speed i.e. em radiation would thus take 5 years each way = 10 years. Light years are a measurement of distance.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/qJRKedSUHg4
squiznard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck cheese
Squeetums ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
light years, which is something like 90 million years or some crazy ass number.
aqf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope we never forget about cheese. Cheese and bacon. And wine. And kalamata olives. And coffee. ...
Smittythepirate ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 14:14:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be fun at parties...
NeuenEisen ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:25:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably still eats cheese too. What a blorp.
Dead_Muskrat ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:31:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If eating cheese makes you a blorp, I don't want to be gordle.
Channel250 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:37:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If eating cheese makes me a blorp then I'm Miles Davis
jlbrad1984 ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 14:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go back to China bitch
penny_eater ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:03:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its easy. all we have to get across is "take me to your reddit". once we understand how they troll each other, share memes, build each other up and then mercilessly tear them down in the same day, we will know everything about their species.
problem is, they are going to want to see ours too. and i think that wouldnt be a good idea.
Mysteryman64 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:58:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More likely we'll just send a massive info dump at each other and expect that both sides will eventually figure it out.
PM_Trophies ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Send the Wikipedia torrent and they'll figure it out
moximusxoxo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:05:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this would be a good /r/WritingPrompts
WeSwingInRVA ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:28:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be the best for me, personally.
No more cheese. Humanity finally evolves past eating rotten milk in solid form and begins to make food that tastes good without being masked by falt, salt, and calories.
Fuck cheese in all of its heinous forms.
tunnel-snakes-rule ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the 'World War' series by Harry Turtledove. Aliens send probes to Earth and see us riding around on horseback firing arrows at each other. Because the alien civilisation takes thousands of years to evolve they figure it'll be fine that there's a time lag between the probe and their invasion fleet arriving. They end up showing up in the middle of World War II.
poptart2nd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You left out the best part: they didn't have any military technology when they sent the probe, so they, with their much more advanced levels of science and research, build a military from the ground up to invade and show up basically with modern tanks and assault rifles.
tunnel-snakes-rule ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually the best part is that the aliens' biology reacts weirdly with ginger, causing it to become a banned narcotic for them.
NjStacker22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world without cheese is no world for me
#notmyworld
somajones ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:08:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is Hitchhiker worthy.
TheForgottenOne_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we need to make a working warp drive. It will be like the old days. No more instant communication. We can have a mailman fly back and forth :)
gordonisnext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was an old sci fi story about this, the secret is you just keep talking so you say hi and don't stop so ten years later the aliens start getting a bunch of information and questions and start responding and for the next ten years they keep answering every newly arrived message. Meanwhile we keep up a one sided conversation for twenty years until we start getting answers to our last twenty years of communication so then you start asking follow ups. That is assuming no time spent initially learning the language but that's why you start with language books and basic history and science before saying anything else
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And what are the chances that they're that close? It's vastly more likely that they're thousands of light years away.
Also, what's to say that they even exist in the same tiny window of time as we do? They could have reached their zenith and then went extinct 10 million years ago. Or perhaps they're still swinging from trees, and won't evolve for another 10 million years.
TheAngryGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. While we can probably forget finding someone to talk to in another galaxy, even in our own, 5 LY would be beyond lucky, but assuming a more realistic 500-30,000LY distance, entire empires rise and fall in that time. and we start talking about getting a response in the time it took for all of human recorded history to happen. Just trying to imagine any meaningful discourse blows my mind. That doesn't work too well with a joke about cheese, though.
Ipecactus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If such a thing were to happen, it is likely there would be a steady stream of communications heading both ways in order to provide as much data as possible to assist with understanding.
0vl223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be 10 years until you receive the first codified message and answered them.
Now you have to find out how they codified the data and test different ways and send back some data and after a few decades you maybe have a communication where you still don't have the slightest what they are saying.
It would be like trying to identify a picture on the internet by using a oscilloscope on your lan cable.
Harshdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you read the Forever War?
president2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But most likely any communication would be constant although not back and forth. So us or them constantly receiving in those intervening years will allow analysis and likely some understanding. Communication isn't like computers waiting on input. We'd have a huge database of 5-10 years worth of data to work with and decrypt.
DeemDNB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hey alien, is your name Honk Honk?" "Blarg."
"Wait... I think Blarg means yes! Alien, does Blarg mean yes?"
"Blarg."
"Holy shit! Blarg means yes!"
"Or, Blarg means no. In which case he just said, "No, Blarg does not mean yes.""
"What? No way. Hey alien, am I right?"
"Blarg."
"See? What the fuck do you know?"
sjenkins6936 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:49:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The main issue is that we can't get along with each other let alone another intelligent species.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:11:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or as NGT once said, a one percent difference in DNA is what devides us from the apes. Imagine trying to communicate with something one percent more advanced than us.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mathematics and science, if other life has advanced enough to make it so we can contact them then basic maths and stuff would be the way forward I guess, much like how Voyager has instructions inscribed on it I believe.
What do I know though, maybe they communicate through erotic dance. Imagine Trump, "leader of the free world" having to communicate via erotic dance.
...rule 34...there must be...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's YUUUUUUUUUUGE down there, believe me.
ashwinramanujam7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Train an AI to understand their mode of communication?
mmarkklar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just take one of their people and one of ours and put them on a planet alone where they have to work together to battle a beast.
APsWhoopinRoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, unless we would be the first intelligent life they have encountered, I'm pretty sure they would know how to get the ball rolling. This likely wouldn't be their first rodeo
xenodrone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once I had a wet dream about getting oral from a squid faced alien.
Talk is cheap. Let's just get physical with them. And hope they don't chew our heads off after copulating.
ASisypheanAsk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dick pics to get things started.
the-real-apelord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grab em by the ...
UrMomLikesMine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My first thought was interpretive dance, then someone else said math, which makes a lot more sense. I am not a smart man :(
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should learn to talk to other species on our planet first. Whales live in a different world than us.
ovondansuchi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they are smart enough to master space flight, you have to imagine they'll include someone who is well versed in learning communication techniques.
If we are met by a hyper-intelligent species, we are probably not the first species they have met with.
D4Y_M4N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they are intelligent figuring out the communication probably wouldn't be as difficult as a lot of people think. We have learned to communicate with people of different languages and animals all throughout history. Bit yeah if they are totally different in structure and use telepathy or something that would be super effed up.
micza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contract, the movie, has that sorted
ThisOnePlaysTooMuch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pattern recognition is key. Both parties make passive attempts to communicate until one can pick up on linguistic trends and build upon that. That's assuming they don't communicate through deadly gasses.
madpackjonson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An interesting sidenote for you maybe. Have you heared of the pioneer plague? It is a plate, which containts information about our species and is placed on the pioneer aircraft, in case they get found by other species. it containts information about our origin and stuff.
Have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_plaque
bhampson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Pioneer plaGue. The poor species that finds it gets decimated only to build their population back up to invade the asshats that sent them a plague.
ExtremeCheese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math. Math is universal, we would have to figure out how to represent it (I'm sure they dont use our number system) but I'd think that's how we would "speak" to them.
NiceTryKemosabe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they are hyper intelligent, maybe they will figure out how to communicate with us?
EIT_Turtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU JUST HAVE TO SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER AND SLLLOOOOOWER.
elapid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maths would be a good starting point.
MrCrushus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just the method, but think of the frame of reference. They would see the universe so differently I don't know if, even if we both used language, if we'd ever be able to understand each other.
So much of what we say and feel and think is based on prior knowledge/experiences/widely held truths etc and if a species doesn't have any of that, how can it communicate with us
what-a_username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The main issue would be finding them. The odds of existence somewhere else is very high, but they will most likely be monocellular. There may be other animals, but the odds of us finding another civilization in our lifetime, or even our grand children's is very low.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do think there is other multicellular light just like us out there, but I'm starting to think interstellar travel must be more challenging than we think if even advanced civilizations haven't done it and visited other intelligent life yet.
cabinfervor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prime numbers all the way
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Forever War series is a sci-fi series that touches on this topic, though it is also largely a viewpoint into social issues surrounding American troops in the Vietnam war era.
Zerole00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Charades
ONESNZER0S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they can just inject us with translator microbes like in farscape.
intensely_human ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Subtitles
pmyournipple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
English speakers can't even spell the same way they talk
lobotomyandtights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recommend you watch "Arrival". It's an awesome alien movie that differs from a lot of other alien movie plots, as the main character is a linguistics professor and deals with just this.
sixth_snes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember humans are currently at the bottom of the tech tree for space-related stuff.
Due to the distances involved, meaningful communication with an alien species is either going to require FTL information transfer (which is impossible as far as we know), or the aliens are going to have to get closer to us than typical interstellar distances. In either case the aliens are going to be much more advanced than us. And in that case they'll probably also be much more adept at translation than we are, so "we" woudn't need to worry about the translation.
SupplePigeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even necessarily intelligent life, just finding life outside of Earth would be amazing. Just to know that life isn't a bug in the universe, but a feature!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the short story called "The Story of Your Life" by Ted Chiang. Ofc it's fiction, but it's a pretty cool look at how we'd potentially communicate with other life forms.
Logiconaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If your not familiar with his work already I suggest watching Isaac Arthur on YouTube. His Channel has amazing objective breakdown of how possible alien first contact could happen and handled.
Kooooomar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. It could be completely different or fairly similar, we have no idea. The benefit we have is that we can measure most anything. Light waves, RF, ultrasonic, microwave, etc. So, we would have a decent chance at picking SOMETHING up.
But on the other hand, I have always loved the a analogy that is not "hearing" anything is similar to a guy that walks in an office building today with a walkie talkie and says "nobody here is communicating." We may just completely lack the technology of an alien species, much like walkie talkie man can't hear cell phones or internet on it.
test_batch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are only so many things in the universe that can be sensed (that we're aware of), and we're able to detect most of them with the right tools. So as long as aliens don't communicate exclusively via gravitational waves or higgs bosons or something, we'll probably be able to work something out.
MrPeppa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually I figure the main issue would be the difference between how advanced we are compared to them. Odds are either we'll be vastly superior to them or they'd be vastly superior to us. In that scenario, going by what we humans have done to each other, subjugation of the less advanced species is inevitable. Communication would only come into play as a vehicle for that subjugation.
QuickChicko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd likely have to resort to writing. Of course it's always possible to learn a new language, but being able to communicate an alien one might be downright impossible for us talkers. Take for example Rikchiks, a group of aliens that can't speak. They have to use their tentacles to "talk" so we'd probably just draw a series of tentacle movements to communicate with them. As for the Rikchiks talking back to humans, they'd probably get confused on why all these strange shapes equate to phones they can't hear and would probably just draw a simple diagram of our mouth moving to show what phones they're trying to produce.
This is just one example, or we could try to do what Star Wars did where everyone knows each other's language and just speaks the one they can properly pronounce.
three18ti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't math the universal language?
SoTiredOfWinning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darmok and jalal, at Tanagra.
GM_Piasecki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We managed to communicate on a global level despite people speaking different languages, being blind, deaf or mentally handicapped in some way, so I reckon we could learn to level with some aliens.
hockeyjim07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if they are hyper intelligent octopus society, they probably have a communicator like star trek to do translations for us.
mrsegraves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With universal constants.
YosemiteSam81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last I checked Jodie Foster is still alive, we will be just fine!
andrewsmd87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's go on the hypothetical that we make contact with an intelligent species in the next 70 years. And I'm talking like we can communicate directly contact, not we picked up some radio signals 1000 light years away (which would still be cool).
If that's the case, then it almost certainly means they traveled here, and if they have the technology to do that, then they more than likely have the technology to decipher our languages and translate, to communicate with us.
TheFlashFrame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math.
horyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a fascinating story on this by the same writer/producer(?), Ted Chiang, of Arrival called "Story of Your Life and others." Basically there's this long process in which human linguists try to decode the language of these heptapods whose entire syntax and language is non-linear and completely different than ours.
It's a great read.
trex_in_spats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With intelligence comes the idea that the other party communicates, so even if its by pointing to a rock and saying, "Rock," followed by them saying or doing the movement that they use for rock, eventually we will discover how to communicate. Unless of course our anatomy is just so different that our concepts of communication are completely unable to sync up.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math
MrZipZap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming they have sight as one of their senses, we can show them Pi. They can easily decipher it to learn what symbols we use to write our numbers. Then we can show them 2 numbers added together so they can figure out our plus sign, and so on. Maybe then we can figure out a way to communicate using math.
jager1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If an alien civilization had the means of locating us, and THEN getting here... they will be more than likely advanced enough to figure out a method of commnicatation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Squid ink apparently
makenzie71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With math. Haven't you seen Contact?
jennyCKC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shaka, when the walls fell
DubyaKayOh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could travel to our planet they would understand the physics to travel near light speed. We would essentially be Koko the gorilla with a crayon to them.
PoolSiide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Among all intelligent life there is one universal language... math. Even simple things like showing them 1+1=2 would communicate the fact that we are intelligent. From there I don't think it would take long for linguists to decipher the basics and translate something simple like "help each other." The only scary part is, who finds who first? If they have the technology to travel lightyears through space to meet us then they could no doubt destroy our armies with minimal effort.
CleanBill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every american space movie the aliens speak fluent English, so I don't think it will be a problem. Also they will find humans unique and special, because of the human spirit and how they never give up against adversity.
Herogamer555 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex is a universal language.
Flyingpegger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, but depending on where we discover life, they may not even exist anymore. They'd have to be relatively close for them to actually still be around. But if they're a million light years away, they may already be extinct.
TacoPhd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then, who would they communicate with? Any world leader would be biased towards their own interests. And talking to the UN would only give our alien friends headaches.
HookDragger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Build a common language based on atomic structure(that is a universal constant), a la Stargate SG1.
Mathematics could be difficult if they use a different base-# math. Like Base 8 vs 10 vs 2 vs 3. I'd imagine that the base-# is based on how many digits they have on their hands :D
xRom3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to think we'd find a way, together. But the fact that laws between countries can already be so different makes me just wonder how different stuff would get with completely different species
jimbojangles1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math is a universal "language" so in order to communicate and prove that we are an intelligent species we would have to attempt to communicate using math.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I know second-year French!"
squiznard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Their communication methods would most certainly be entirely different from ours. If you only know English, You can't even talk to like half of the fellow humans in the world, let alone the hyper intelligent octopus society
darkspy13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they are Hyper Intelligent, we could just let them solve the communication barrier.
SirrNatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mathematics. It's a universal language
the_jews_is_loose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
math most likely. math is likely to be a universal language.
ioncehadsexinapool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Algorithms to decode the language
pm_me_your_trebuchet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you know they're just gonna look like your dad when they finally show up. i mean, what a fucking let down.
EthanTheEgg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math
csrevolt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they find out that dolphins can have high pitched back and forth conversations recently? Considering how intelligent dolphins are, it would be so amazing if we could figure out how to speak dolphin and try to communicate with them intelligently.
Logan_Mac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math, any intelligent species must have at least a concept of quantities and basic math principles should be universal
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Math
OfficialDodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was always told math would be a good place to start. Things like equations to a line or a circle or other constant equation that can't change
Evilsmile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Temba. His arms open.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is said that mathematics is a universal language that would be used.
Buwaro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would honestly expect that they, being hyper intelligent, would quickly learn a way to easily and efficiently communicate with us, and not the other way around.
Hint227 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly through Math or Morse code. Math is an universal "language" - if we can use it to try to talk to the aliens, that'd be good. We could try to teach them Morse by using Math (don't know how, but we could try), and then Voilรก.
parrot_in_hell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would probably take only a few months to be able to communicate with each other if we were both trying together. Word by word, step by step every day all day. I would love for that to happen and even more to be a part of it
FlintShaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pictographical match or DNA sequencing (assuming they are a carbon based lifeform).
Cizzar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's only so many ways to transmit information and if they're intelligent enough that we don't just take their planet and kill them all, they will have more than one way to communicate
Killer_TRR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk. Every planet that SG-1 went to all spoke English. So maybe it's easier that you think.
turtlebeng14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck your inbox.
allADD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have this idea for a sci fi story where a group of aliens takes over Earth but not through violence. Instead they've just got this incredibly sophisticated grasp of language that allows them to more or less psychologically harass humans into submission.
It's...probably already a star trek episode tbh
MortalWombat1988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit this isn't even the full extend of it.
They might not even have the same sensory fields. Maybe they don't hear in the same frequencies as us, or even don't sense air vibration at all. Maybe they don't sense visible light. Maybe they have sensory organs picking up different radiations instead.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well not that different, I bet, since itโs the same physics.
N64Overclocked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Consider that they're thinking the same thing. We'd send all our best linguists and communication experts to meet them, and they'd do the same. With everyone's top scientists working on it, I'm sure communication would be established relatively quickly.
nouille07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's their first contact then yes, if it's not the first time they encounter a new life form we can hope they became good at it
GauntletsofRai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the current communications standard is a keyboard duet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if names were farts?
guyincognitoo ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 13:48:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you happen to be Japanese by any chance?
lars330 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:56:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They might be referencing Arrival.
CannaBAMF ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:05:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw it as a reference to Ernest Cline's Armada. If you haven't read it, it's definitely worth the time. Same author as Ready Player One.
o0i81u8120o ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Armada was better. Ready player one should make for a decent movie.
BuckeyeEmpire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Star Wars.
Draconilian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the hyper intelligent octopus culture is far, far far far worse than any japanese creation
BelgianWaffleGuy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf is that supposed to be? And the writing...
I smell shitty fanfic.
Draconilian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Furries plus drugs
DarthSatoris ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:31:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The chances of us finding a species out there at similar societal and technological level as us is slim to none.
There's a far more likely scenario that we're either going to find amoeba level life, maybe cavemen level if we're lucky, or we're going to find alien life so advanced, that they're basically gods to us. And if that happens, only time will tell if we stumbled into a society of angels, or an army of demons.
I saw a brilliant analogy to our current situation a while ago:
Imagine the Empire State Building. Then put a nickel on the top of the spire, Then put another Empire State building on top of the nickel. This entire arrangement is the level of intelligence a species can go through. Starting from the bottom, we have single celled organisms all the way up to vertebrates, dinosaurs, early mammals, Neanderthals, modern humans. The nickel is us right now in this very moment. This is our society. Then continuing upwards, we have advancements in medicine, space travel, immortality, matter manipulation, energy harvesting, artificial intelligence, and all the other goofy stuff we have seen and not seen in science fiction yet.
What are the odds that we'll find a civilization that fits into that nickel, the same as us? Considering the universe is already 13.54 billion years old, and we got to where we are now in just 100,000 years (3 billion years if you include all life, and not just Homo Sapien's existence)?
Overunderscore ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering the first stars likely wouldn't have harboured life due to a lack of heavy elements. Our 4.3 billion year old sun could possibly be the first star to generate life. Though more life is likely to evolve there is a strong chance that we are the highest form of intelligence in the universe.
DarthSatoris ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And wouldn't that be bloody terrifying?
CannaBAMF ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man, I wish I'd never followed this thread...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be more terrifying to have an alien ship appear in orbit and receive a message that says "Help!"
Steve4964 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:51:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advanced Alien Civilization Encounters earth via a scouting ship, and picks up a radio transmission whilst in Earth's orbit
"TONIGHT WE MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"
"Captain, they have yet to evolve or unify. We must not violate the Prime Directive. I recommend we keep going. Maybe we will find something on Pluto."
screen317 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:18:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can't even have peaceful diplomatic relations with everyone on Earth
Snuffy1717 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:51:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just remember that the OctoSpiders communicate in Base-8
alfredhelix ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:04:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyper intelligent octopi are already on earth. They're just dead and dreaming right now, waiting for the right time to rise from slumber again.
hajjr6 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:42:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah kos. Or some say kosm.
A_favorite_rug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello Kos from
BloodborneDark souls IIIIIRevive me I have ray gun!
TheSphericalCow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:19:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see peaceful diplomatic relations with everyone on Earth.
TheMadTemplar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:44:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you either get mindflayers or the emissaries of Cthuhlu. Neither of which are our friends. So why would you even ask for that?
thirdplanet42 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:50:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Hyper intelligent octopus society" ...Inklings?
SillyBlueberry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:35:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woomy!
justafish25 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:18:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can't even have peaceful communication with other humans, how the hell are we gonna have peaceful communication with another planet.
HappyAust ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see peaceful relations on this planet first
SalsaRice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like someone never played the mass effect 3 leviathan dlc
HeyCarpy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:41:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're making wishes, I want Ewoks over octopi.
Militant_Monk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:01:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's oddly specific.
cyrashan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also want relations with hot alien babes
Zawer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see peaceful diplomatic relations on Earth
hai-sea-ewe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see permanent peaceful diplomatic relations with all the countries on earth first. Meeting aliens before then would be like having the most important guest of your life show up and your house is still a stanky mess.
horusphoenix615 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before we even fathom establishing inter-species diplomatic (peaceful) relations, I want to see intra-species peaceful relations.
CollateralFortune ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad we can't do this with ourselves. And we know how to communicate with each other.
ckemtp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Hyper intelligent and horny.
Don't worry Japan, I got you
Gullex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're just making wishes, I wanna see humans discover immortality and the way to end all suffering and greed.
The alien shit can come later, I want permanent utopia first.
Its_Mike_Nasty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, another intelligent life form would see how we treat each other first. I don't think they wp iOS see us as peaceful or diplomatic.
CeterumCenseo85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if it was Subpar intelligent Octopus Society?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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le_trout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the hyper intelligent octopi are gonna be sorely let down by my extra appendages :(
P.s. hadn't seen ya in awhile, whew, so glad I've just simply been in the wrong threads
fuckingloveweetbix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want war.
You know what?
An enemy of non-earth origins would be the fastest way for all of us to unite under one banner.
A swift war then placing us under eternal vassalage of a benevolent monarchy run by Her Royal Lizard Majesty Elizabeth II.
snozberies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I for one welcome our octopus overlords
XaqAlexHaq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"If we're just making wishes, I wanna see peaceful diplomatic relations with"...
other humans.
That and the intelligence not to destroy the only home we have.
rabbit395 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I vote octopus.
Meadslosh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ain't gonna happen, at least not on a global scale. We can't even get along with each other.
PM_ME_PROFOUND_MATH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard octopi bond by challenging middle schoolers to kill them.
Paddingtons_Mom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really pleased at your highlight of the intelligence cephalopods posses.
igdub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be a good start for two unintelligent species such as americans and russians to have peaceful diplomatic relations first.
themindset ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should probably just stop eating octopuses now to be safe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but if we discover life, it's gonna be some unintelligent bacteria living on a rock.
TheMexicanJuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Octopuses basically.
Apocalypse487x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's start with ourselves first. As we are currently, I doubt we'll have any diplomacy with aliens.
dl064 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine we'll either see peaceful diplomatic relations or we won't see much of anything at all ever again, so in a sense it's a good bet.
pfcfillmore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be they have already found us, but since we can't get along we just look like waring tribes to them. Too violent to risk engaging with. Could be they are afraid of putting their own race at risk.
LagOutLoud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like from earth? or a highly intelligent octopus society from space? cause that too would just be aliens.
saq1610 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd have a hard time imagining peace with a foreign alien species when we humans aren't at peace with ourselves, other animals or hell even with nature of the earth itself.
DaveyH-cks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are high hopes considering we don't even have peaceful diplomatic relations with ourselves.
FuzzyFuzzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but diplomatic relations with all countries on our planet first would be nice.
180secondideas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10,000 years of civilization here and we can't do diplomatic relations with ourselves. And you think we can do it with another species with an entirely different set of language, rules, norms, values, and morals? We'd probably nuke them in a year flat.
surrounded_by_ghosts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the octopus society is the most likely. I feel like if we could talk to them they'd outsmart us in every way.
CODESIGN2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cephalopod no need for it to be an octopus ;-)
Jordaneer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
spqr-king ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could we achieve that amongst ourselves first...
OrwellAstronomy23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would that just be a wish?
Tiz68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever read Fluency by Jennifer Foehner Wells? You might like it, considering you like hyper intelligent octopus societies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pfft. First we'd need peaceful relations between ourselves.
iambusinessbear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, we can barely have peaceful, diplomatic relations with ourselves.
MeNotSanta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you want to see hentain IRL?
casualblair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blue Hades already do this but it's less diplomatic relations and more tolerating a stray animal.
Tr3vvv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If an alien species came to earth wouldn't it be fairly safe to assume they're peaceful? The thing that holds humans back seems to be war and conflict.
jbui63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
breadandfaxes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://imgur.com/gallery/pih9b
Giant crab monster, but I'm sure you get it..
weirdmountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe they're out there waiting for us to be able to make peaceful diplomatic relations among ourselves as human beings. They keep our planet vibrating at a certain wavelength where we can't see or detect them, and they're only going to let us be a part of the intergalactic community after we can figure out how to not be fucking awful to each other all the time.
TDIMike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can't get it right on our own planet though...
punmaster29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see diplomatic relations within our own species first. Imagine what we'd look like right now to aliens.
"We're peaceful and diplomatic, except when we sometimes bomb civilians"
DarkLordFluffyBoots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. I want space war.
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or sexy green woman who need earth men to teach them what love is
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haha, the condescension
makenzie71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are on Europa. I saw a documentary about it once.
Shocker300 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As cool as this would be, the Fermi Paradox makes too much sense to ignore. But like you said we're just making wishes here.
ImBored_YoureAmorous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can't even get peaceful diplomatic relations on earth.
Pornthrowaway78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can't even manage peaceful relationships with our own damn species.
Sasselhoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I'd be happy with peaceful diplomatic relations with our OWN species.
Shirikatsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah there. How about peaceful diplomatic relations with human beings first.
Xenjael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have always wondered since Starplex by Robert J. Sawyer if there will be a day we communicate with dolphins and realize they are just as intelligent as we are.
It might be the case we find out the foreign intelligent species isn't even off our planet, we just live worlds so different it never occurred to either of us that we're intelligent.
I mean, would dolphins really think us intelligent? What are boats to them? Perhaps humans are just like the fish that cling to larger animals in the water, or like algae growing on a turtle shell from their pov.
Just saying, I suspect animals are more intelligent in their own ways than we've given credit.
Chances are if we do meet an alien species we'll think them dumb because of our inherent differences, when the opposite is quite the case.
Flint_Westwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean octopi from earth?
FatBoxers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's a race in Mass Effect
sfw3015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about one Hyper intelligent polygamist octopus-like creature that can cross dimensions?
lord_darovit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could get to us in a practical amount of time, and shared their technology, life would be dramatically easier for everyone.
laurus22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if the robots get us first!
gayjenjen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see peaceful diplomatic relations here on earth with other cultures, races, religion firs... but that's just wishful thinking
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There could be bacterial life on mars, so it isn't really "making wishes."
playmethesongoftime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until we nix the 'hate by fear' attitude a lot of our leaders have, this unfortunately will never happen.
Sharktopusgator-nado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peaceful, by human terms, means that we will likely take advantage of them.
xorbus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay then, I want light sabers.
remigiop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be satisfied with the technology to explore the deepest parts of the ocean. The same technology would help with the advancements towards space I think. Deeper ocean levels would require a more durable metal able to withstand unimaginable pressures, ideas on how to adapt supplies of Oxygen to last, and working out energy issues too.
[deleted] ยท 3113 points ยท Posted at 13:05:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding intelligent life on earth would be pretty cool.
Zapsy ยท 1514 points ยท Posted at 13:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's stay realistic here.
nickability ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 15:01:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on guys we do have intelligent life. Dolphins!
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:13:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. They're the second most intelligent life here.
Under mice.
HearTheEkko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna swear cats were the most intelligent after mices.
My motherfckin 4-5 year old cat opened the window, pushed the door, and jumped on my mother's bed to wake her up.
conspiracyeinstein ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha ha!
...hey, wait!
ImNotGaySoStopAsking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I spit my milk from my nose before reading your comment lol
HeWillAdd ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:40:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You win the internet for today, sorry but I just read this today, so you win for today... everyone else can try for another day...
immortalreploid ยท 603 points ยท Posted at 13:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, mice and dolphins exist.
Ekyou ยท 329 points ยท Posted at 14:01:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guys joke, but there have been some pretty great strides being made in the field of animal cognition recently. Of course most of that is just cognitive psychologists actually doing any research on the topic after spending the last century denying that animals were capable of thinking.
ne3ko ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:40:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well there is this
antaryon ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:05:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because chimps use rocks to crack nuts doesn't mean they live in the stone age. Lots of animals use rocks as tools. The big step in technological advancement is creating tools, not using them. When monkeys learn to tie a rock to a stick, that's when they'll enter the stone age.
The_Enemys ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:12:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While not as exciting as the original research, it seems crows are in the stone age, or at least tool making stage: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2100535-genius-crows-tool-bending-behaviour-may-be-natural-to-its-kind/
foo_foo_the_snoo ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm a lot more impressed by what crows and macaws are capable of pulling off within the limits of their bodies, and that they'd even be willing to do what they do given the advantage of flight. Upright walking apes with hands like ours that can barely do dick with 'em really aren't that incredible. They say gorillas are as smart as average six year old human, bullshit. Show me a six year old who can't draw a stick figure or build a Lego house. Gorillas are dumb as hell, and their brains are BIGGER than ours. Pretty sure whales and dolphins are smarter. Other great apes get way too much credit. Harambe deserved it. End of my fuck gorillas rant.
chokfull ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC, apes lack muscle dexterity. Legos and drawing both require a good degree of finger control.
foo_foo_the_snoo ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:05:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not necessarily a fast twitch vs smooth muscle issue as much as the parts of their brains that control fine motor control, abstract thought, problem solving. Birds are better, really. Some Apes are just big strong mega retarded human impersonators. I feel for them as creatures of the earth, I'm just more impressed by birds. They make me wonder what dinosaurs were really like.
prsnep ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:39:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gorilla brains are not bigger than ours.
Pidgey_OP ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the monkeys that sun-dry nuts for days and then use a rock sharpened by another rock as a means of opening. That seems like a meta-tool, which I believe is one of the things you have to look for when looking for that kind of progression.
DaddyCatALSO ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have been shown capable of to join a stick to a stick to make a longer stick that can reach something
ne3ko ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as much that they are using stone tools, than the fact that they're passing those tools down generations that is marking the Stone Age for them.
woodrobin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:30:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY.
mecrosis ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are primates. We've moved on from tying stones to sticks.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:54:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Corvids!
290077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RIP Unidan
androgenoide ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:44:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found a book written in the 50s that argued that chimpanzees were incapable of language because their vocal apparatus was incapable of making human speech. That was before Koko and Nim Chimpski blew that argument apart. Now, are we to argue that elephants and dolphins are incapable of speech because they have no hands?
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:49:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communication is not the same as language. You'd have to get a linguist to explain the details, but IIRC language requires a degree of adaptability i.e. not just assigning a motion or noise to a meaning like 'prey nearby'.
androgenoide ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely true. All living things exchange information with their environment but there's no reason to call that "language". Linguists typically define language in such a way as to exclude anything except human language and that makes sense but... there are some animals whose communication systems blur that line. Having specific names for individuals and having regional "dialects", for example, comes close to meeting the criterion you mentioned. I am not arguing that the word "language" would accurately describe their communication systems but the parallels are obvious.
foo_foo_the_snoo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:14:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was an African Grey parrot named Alex who could pick up blue triangles, for example, on command from an assortment of colored and shaped objects. He could learn and adapt to new voice commands to describe different things and answer somewhat abstract questions, with his own voice. That motherfucker was using language, no question. I'd call him nearly as developed as an autistic kindergartener, linguistically.
kekekefear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:26:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But was he truly intelligient, or was he some sort of biologcal chinese room?
PointyOintment ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:30:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I?
zortlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:29:25 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's the only recorded animal that, using human language, has asked a sophisticated question. He asked what color he was. Granted, other primates have asked for bananas, toys, etc. But none of those questions shows the same awareness of self and usage of language.
androgenoide ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember Alex. His vocabulary wasn't huge but he did know what the individual words meant and was able to combine them in meaningful ways and to create new words when needed. I believe that Dr. Pepperberg had some other parrots that did some remarkable things with words and numbers.
Alex had no concept of grammar but he seemed more convincing than many other animals simply because he was able to vocalize human words.
foo_foo_the_snoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:53:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I can pick up on my dog's mood pretty easily and I know he empathizes with mine. He responds to voice commands, and I respond to his. I'm obviously smarter than him, but our language barrier really just comes down to available tools.
androgenoide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well put.
courtoftheair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You say that as if autism is an intellectual disability or something.
foo_foo_the_snoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a communication barrier that prevents connection with others, more or less. Linguistics are communication, more or less. An iPhone is highly intelectual, but for all intents and purposes, can't really use language in the self originating way Alex could. This dude was like straight up "I'm hungry," as a function of biological need, not programming to refill a printer cartridge.
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but your metrics are a little off. You're referring to 25% at most, so when you say the child is autistic statistically speaking they can probably speak and communicate simple things just fine. You could maybe push it to 30% if you include people whose sensory processing problems mean they physically cannot feel bodily sensations (though thats generous, it usually overlaps because if you can't feel how your tongue/mouth/throat is moving have fun trying to talk), but it's still a minority. Not being a dick, just pointing out that it didn't make sense.
Sky_Muffins ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alex the african grey parrot would create portmanteau words for things he didn't know yet.
ameya2693 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it also requires some standardisation of grammar, concept of verb, noun etc. Now, whilst I can say that animals do not use the same language form as us i.e using their mouth and vocal cords, at least some animals could use other forms of verbal cues such as footfalls and other more cryptic methods of communication which we haven't fully understood or done serious research into.
DaddyCatALSO ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, no, those examples demonstrated the truth behind that statement; they can't use spoken language like ours.
androgenoide ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right! The point I was making was that the author decided that the animal was incapable of language (not just spoken language) when his argument could just as well have been applied to deaf humans. There is still room to be argued that the apes that have learned human sign language do not really have a grasp of grammar although they do appear to have a grasp of semantics. That is, they appear to know what words 'mean' but have an incomplete conception of how sentences work. Curiously, similar arguments have been advanced when describing the skills of humans who have only learned a formal language after adulthood. So...maybe?
Arklelinuke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:01:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read an article about how whales learned how to kill sharks by watching humans flip the shark over and stun it first.
kidicarus89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we somehow discover that animals are sentient that would drive a lot of people to veganism.
DaddyCatALSO ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:59:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a blanket statement that covers way too much. If I find out elephants or crows can talk to us, what does that have to do with cows and chickens?
courtoftheair ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:17:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is why I know people that won't eat pigs but will eat cows and chickens because they're not as smart.
DaddyCatALSO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can see that choice.
Ekyou ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you have your words mixed up. "Sentience" is actually almost the exact opposite of cognition. All it describes is whether an organism shows consistent reactions to pain and pleasure, and just about any animal with a central nervous system fits this criteria and thensome. There's very little argument over whether animals are sentient.
That said, if you're trying to argue that if we can somehow confirm that animals have cognition then more people will become vegans... I honestly doubt it would have that much of an impact. The vast majority of educated people are aware of how livestock are treated, accept that these animals are distressed by their deaths, and still eat meat for a variety of reasons. I think most of these people will always find moral justifications to eat meat regardless of what the latest study on animal cognition says.
_Arget_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like knowing that these animals have thoughts is different than knowing they expierance distress. It's the difference between eating something that doesn't understand, the basic conception of animal, versus the pig from charlottes webs.
Kaerhis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
aohige_rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:30:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apes in mountain of Osaka has observed us for decades and now steals coins from humans and use the vending machines for food and drink. Animals are hella smarter than we gave them credit for, yeah.
DarthRusty ยท 209 points ยท Posted at 14:10:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So long and thanks for all the fish.
LibsThePilot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice.
Beeblebrox237 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't panic, stay cool.
DarthRusty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And don't forget to bring a towel. Which is a different reference, but still sort of applies.
Also, what's it like being the center of the galaxy?
Beeblebrox237 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I'm so hip that I have trouble seeing over my pelvis.
DarthRusty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Highly improbable.
Beeblebrox237 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month.
Fraerie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:05:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bowelhaver ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:23:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real talk, elephants, dolphins, many apes and many species of birds (ravens, magpies, etc.) are incredibly intelligent. I think many animals are smarter than humans like to give them credit, but those I mentioned among others are seriously bright. I think keeping animals like dolphins, apes/monkeys and elephants in zoos is horrific. These animals know they are caged and on display.
inspectoralex ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:21:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the most devastating thing to think of and learn about is pigs. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs. Pigs are fucking smart. And what do we do? We butcher them. We eat these smart creatures because they can't actually do anything about it.
ameya2693 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:59:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I feel bad.....but bacon, man.
inspectoralex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:03:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The taste of bacon is just the taste of sadness, for me. My ethics instructor is to blame. He told us how smart pigs are & he (unintentionally) made me a pescatarian. I only eat the things I would kill myself, now. I couldn't kill a pig to save my life. I am totally fine with catching and preparing fish & many other water creatures, though.
ameya2693 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:10:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am agreeing with you. I don't buy or cook meat personally because, as a Hindu, I am not really supposed to be helping animal slaughter and so, I don't. But, I will, from time to time, indulge myself because sometimes, you just need that delicious flavour.
I think the way animal farming is done currently is unsustainable and extremely harmful to the animals concerned and that we do need to, as a species, control our meat consumption and reduce it over time and, more importantly, help make farms unprofitable and thus force companies to break their stranglehold on the farmers and cut the mass production of meat. It should be a luxury item and not what it currently is, which is factory produced garbage barely passing of as meat.
o8livion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's always the lab grown meat research. Eventually it could get to the point where it is efficient and tasty.
inspectoralex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the way animals are farmed is perverse, I think. I don't see a problem with hunting animals and killing them. I think there is a way to ethically farm animals, but the way we do it currently (at least in America), is far from that ideal. Animals for food should be treated with care and respect. The problem that many people have with that is the very real issue of poverty and developing nations.
Animal farming carries less risk than plant farming & it takes less space for more food. Animals can be raised in a larger variety of environments than plants. Plants have very specific needs. Plants are more susceptible to disease and pests. The biggest obstacle is finding a way to create plants with denser nutritional value and hardier, so they can grow in almost any environment. It's more of a practical issue than a moral/ethical one.
If animals were harder to farm than plants, then it would already cost more for a burger than for a salad. The other thing to note, which you mentioned, is that "cheap meat" is not just meat- it's filler. I can go to the grocery store and get a pound of ground meat for anything from $2.50 to $7.00, depending on the ratio of meat to fat content and whether it is frozen or refrigerated.
moms-sphaghetti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a pig that I thought to sit and stay and to use a litterbox (seriously)
Bowelhaver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:26:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am a believer in nature and the circle of life, so I really don't have a problem with the concept of eating meat; however, I agree the way we treat the animals we eat is completely shameful. I loath the food industry for their treatment of animals that we need to survive. Eating each other is a part of nature, but we're smart enough to not torture the animals we eat. I believe they deserve enjoyable, comfortable and caring lives up till the end. That's something we could do to at least thank them for their service to us. As far as pigs, I do agree their smart enough maybe we should take them off the list of acceptable edibles. Pigs are fucking amazing.
the_psycho ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:14:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Octopus are the real aliens man. Trust me on this.
Natanael_L ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they left
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:06:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dude may abide, but hardly call him intelligent available
Personalityprototype ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain the size of a planet and they tell me to go check the cargo holdgrumblegrumble
jonathansalazar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then we must cross-breed them to create a super-intelligent species of moulphins!
gocougs11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mice? Mice are so dumb. I'm a neuroscientist who works with mice and it is impressive how dumb they are. There are certain tasks that they are pretty good at, but I definitely would not call them an intelligent species.
immortalreploid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:31:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a reference to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
gocougs11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:53:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow I'm surprised I missed that. My disdain for mice took over quickly.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
immortalreploid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That second part made me smile for some odd reason.
cygnus33065 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So long and thanks for all the fish
inspectoralex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget pigs
RatofDeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget crows and ravens, they're insanely intelligent. It's really fascinating. I wouldn't be surprised if they were an intelligent species like the mice and dolphins in Hitchhiker's.
strynkyngsoot ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uh, Oxford comma?
CODESIGN2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:50:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I often say to my wife when we watch nature documentaries, "what if we're the ones doing it wrong and the animals are embarrassed of us weird pink things that invent reasons to exist and generally fuck everything up?"
Then we saw an animal with sarcoptic mange and I was like NOPE, we done it right lol
All joking aside, like viruses & tardigrades are the ultimate life aren't they. They are simple enough to work in extreme environments. I wonder if people might be more like monolithic applications (too complex)
UnacceptableOrgasm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figure ants are the most advanced form of life. They farm, use tools, they vastly outnumber us and outweigh us in terms of biomass and are much more able to survive changes in climate.
CODESIGN2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But fungus and numerous other organisms can force them to commit suicide. There are some pretty bad-ass ants in the world, I just feel like even they might be mildly too complex
UnacceptableOrgasm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:56:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are probably right, I was thinking more in the animalia kingdom. Bacteria would definitely win otherwise I think.
TheyCallMeStone ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:57:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Careful with that edge, you might cut yourself.
FuckFuckingKarma ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:26:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Monthy Python
devilsephiroth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a not so popular theory.
What if we, not humans but we being every species on this planet are the only life in the universe, by chance this planet had the ingredients to sustain life, but just like the bacteria we evolved from are supposed to just spread all over the observable universe and populate it over trillions of years?
1stwarror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sounds fun
eminthrv ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha humans are idiots lol get it?
reddixmadix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have recently discovered life in a coconut. There is hope yet.
devilinblue22 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2edgy4me
vicefox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be pretty funny if intelligent aliens visited earth and they only wanted to communicate with dolphins and just ignored us.
KitKat_The_Unicorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
let's face it, dolphins and crows are the only actual intelligence on earth at this point.
justchillyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dolphins
Kroonay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try r/AskScience. There's your answer my friend.
ggaab0r_laas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best one so far
MrLucky13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My money's on manta rays, coral or octopi.
Flyberius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*chortle*
aheadyriser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6rzjae/oc_compilation_of_research_on_ufos/
Tequiem ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:52:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have, they are among us.
Yubuqq ยท 533 points ยท Posted at 11:46:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
less intelligent life. More intelligent life probably already discovered us.
letitbeacat ยท 865 points ยท Posted at 11:52:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Cows discovered us a long time ago. They play the long con by being compliant and making us think we control them.
Yubuqq ยท 139 points ยท Posted at 11:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wat^
nonangryblackguy ยท 325 points ยท Posted at 12:10:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cows came from space to slowly graze all of our pastures thus destroying the planet.
Yubuqq ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 12:13:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
makes sense
Braakman ยท 138 points ยท Posted at 12:57:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they're using their farts to do it!
Yubuqq ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:05:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh
Metabro ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:08:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And getting eaten is their fetish.
bulbous_shot ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:07:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL space cows like vore.
SaysReddit ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 13:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And destroy our atmosphere with cow farts.
Origonn ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if cows are just an alien species way of terraforming the Earth to their breathable atmosphere.
penny_eater ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait that actually makes s
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Yubuqq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not again
DoadM ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:12:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When cows get "abducted" theyre actually returning to the mothership
homeslice2311 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:24:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget about the farts.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:22:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So long, and thanks for all the grass.
Skarlord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was the dolphins that came from space?
abutthole ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahah humans are such fools! Don't they see the cows WANT to be eaten?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this? A Captain Underpants book?
kingeryck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While we EAT them?
Weep2D2 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 13:04:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cows. The Dolphins of the pasture.
BaxInBlack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chicken of the rail yard.
Teantis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason I read this in a Welsh accent
stanprollyright ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So long, and thanks for all the grass
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:58:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cows have regularly staged their own abductions when in reality, they send a signal which triggers an auto pilot mode on their ships that they get into then pilot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Milk can't melt steel beams
Iamchinesedotcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting some Far Side vibes here...
deepfriedcat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:15:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't there be some sort of cow uprising? I mean, their leaders are just sitting back playing this long con; while the worker cows are all being burgerised by us. Wouldn't they at least have a union?
William_UK ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:52:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, they have some next level commitment and discipline if they put up with us commit such an incredible genocide on their species for the sake of a long con scheme. I couldn't fathom the consequences of this long con.
TheTT ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:46:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just regular capitalism, I guess.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:29:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we kill and slauhther them in mass production. i donยดt think they control us
fudgyvmp ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:59:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right before we slaughter them they return to the mothership replaced with realistic tofu replacement cows.
Or maybe we're the bovine prison planet and the cows we slaughter are intergalatic massmurderers and their descendants.
tenamayn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some cultures think they are holy.
OptimusPrimeTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, beef is vegan now?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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takeachillpill666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez man, we heard you. Don't have to repeat yourself so many times.
OptimusPrimeTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I apologize for reddit posting my comment multiple times for whatever reason...
takeachillpill666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey don't sweat it, had the same thing happen to me on mobile before.
KappaccinoNation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decoy cows.
BlckJesus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a old-school space game with space cows in it many years ago, and I can't remember the name. I think they were controlled by a sentient species the size of fleas though...
Dammit what was that game?... ๐ฉ
Edit: I found it!
Pamperpull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure OPs mom isn't being controlled.
friend_jp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So long and thanks for all the grass!
_PM_ME_UR_LATTE_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever watch Brickleberry?
var_mingledTrash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/D2ztvgI72mE?t=17
jml011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're thinking of mice.
gfcf14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cow people of Garlan Prime are most formidable
mixxxter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wait, I thought rats were already doing this
Neal_Armstrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they control India already. It's only a matter of time until they control the rest of the wodl
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So cows that want to retire get picked up by UFOs, right?
Crabcakes125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've eaten to many burgers and steaks to be spared.
kinglallak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cats discovered us long ago. They were the aliens that taught ancient Egyptians how to build things like the pyramids. Where do you think the Egyptians cat worship came from?
Afk94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're playing 5D chess.
xDeltoZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can make a religion out of this!
yarrpirates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't mind being slaughtered because each individual cow is just a cell in the COWMIND. COWMIND has used us to multiply itself and take over vast new areas. Now we have begun testing lab-grown beef, COWMIND will soon become angry.
Max_Thunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mice are the real smart ones. We invest hundreds of billions of dollars (internationally) into curing mouse cancer alone.
MondaysHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that we eat them says otherwise
wonka001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And thus, /r/cowconspiracy is born.
TyranoMike ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting thing is that based on the scale of everything... Time-wise it's just as possible that there isn't another advanced civilization in our galaxy right now.
Based on the physical scale of the universe right now I'd believe there's other intelligent life out there but it's crazy how short a frame of time even we've been around and considered "intelligent life"
I can't remember what exactly it's called but there's some problem regarding finding intelligent life called a communication bubble or something? Basically if we transmit for 500 years before we die off as a species - and our little bubble of transmissions travels to a distant star with a planet that houses life that can get to us. By the time they respond with a message it'd be too late. Even if you had dozens of civilizations in a galaxy that broadcasted signals for thousands of years it is still very likely no one could respond in time for a global catastrophe, or even just the other side turning off their receivers to listen.
Panthor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:58:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be referring to the Fermi Paradox, which is the dominant theory on why ever finding alien life would be extremely rare or even impossible.
TyranoMike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it may have just been a graphic interpretation of that! Crazy to think how crowded the universe may really be but we'll never know!
groovygalaxy ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they are only marginally more intelligent? Like pretty much on the same standing point, but they phased out those terrible erasers that just smudge the mark not actually erase it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:36:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they somehow broke the speed of light. Which is doubtful. And even then, the universe, even just the Milky Way, is unimaginably large. Finding a planet with life on it isn't gonna be easy.
And time is also a big thing. Maybe millions of years from now some species with highly advanced supermassive telescopes is able to detect us, while we're already completely wiped out.
snowcone_wars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While the Milky Way is insanely large, it is terribly small on a "time scale of the universe" scale. It's conservatively and roughly estimated that once you have the capacity to create orbiting habitats and habitats on other planets within your solar system, you should be able to colonize an entire galaxy within around 100 million years at current means of travel, which is a tiny period of time compared to the age of the galaxy let alone universe. Even ignoring FTL travel, assuming you survive to the solar scale, you'd expect the galaxy to eventually be colonized, or well on its way, indicating that there either hasn't been intelligent space faring life within around a billion years, as even a dead (autocorrect)* one would have tell-tale signs of having existed, or it is only now developing in its infancy, which likewise seems unlikely and coincidental.
SwissBliss ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More intelligence doesn't neccearily mean more progress.
salgat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:14:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine running into a relatively dumb race that just happened to exist for long enough (millions of years?) to somewhat brute force their way across space. Perhaps where the average IQ is ~80.
immortalreploid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space algae would be cool.
Yubuqq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I meant like stone aged, but yeah, it would be.
curryd1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The mice have already discovered us, they've actually been testing on us the whole time
Yubuqq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shit
aonome ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlikely.
PsiGhost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is, for all the fancy technical stuff that we have, a third generation star is required for the heavy elements. Those stars are unfortunatly relativly rare as of now (AFAIK). And it gets even worse because for our definition of life a good planet at the right spot is required. I'm pretty sure those habitable planets are rare af.
snowcone_wars ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While you are correct in saying those things are rare, it's important to remember that they are rare on the cosmic scale.
Even going on the most conservative estimates, there are an estimated 50 billion metal rich stars in the Milky Way, and a conservatively estimated 40 billion planets orbiting stars within their habitable zones.
Now there are absolutely reasons to think that intelligent life is exceedingly rare, but the numbers are not terribly rare at least by our human standards.
cryo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How? We have only been sending โintelligentโ signals for so long, and the universe is very very big and the speed of light is, in that context, quite low.
Yubuqq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you never know how advanced alien technology can be! They probably created us!
/s
(Oh yeah that part was kind of a joke)
Wannabe_Madgirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought of that, thank you.
Ekudar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it, it they were advanced enough for space travel or to send probes I would find it hard to believe they would just sit and watch.
WeAreTheSheeple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few species could even already be here.
skeddles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they exist within reasonable travel distance from us, which they probably don't.
paul_dirac17 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 12:40:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would also like to see our first contact with life forms elsewhere, mostly because I'm curious to see what knowledge do they have that we don't. Yet, I feel this is an utopian desire.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:18:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see it happening because if another life form entered our atmosphere we would start attacking them. It almost a threat for other countries to enter the waters or airspace of another, couldn't imagine the reaction to an unknown ship or spacecraft entering without forewarning.
BowtieCustomerRep ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would this lifeform do that though. People don't seem to understand that if there are alien civilizations that are/have been visiting the earth, they are most likely 100,000s if not millions of years ahead of our technology. They wouldn't make themselves known unless they wanted to. I'm sure that there are ancient civilizations in our galaxy who most likely know that Earth is a planet that can potentially harbor life, and they may have checked up to see how our little containment box is doing. I'm sure we would do that as a species in a few million years!
EmeraldFlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's completely inane
Have you seen human beings? If we see a thing and we like it, we take it
Why in the fuck would another species have a different mindset throughout the whole species? That's what pisses me off about like Star Trek and shit. Aliens wouldn't fuckin' have one philosophy. So if these creatures are advanced enough to find us, they would have contacted us and/or invaded us and/or begun trade with us or all three
BowtieCustomerRep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I'm talking in the context of a galactic confederation of aliens who have a set, agreed upon rule, not to interfere with budding intelligent life, a sort of quarantine, until we can prove that we are not a threat to other life. As soon as we detonated the first atomic weapons, a lot of strange activity started happening in our skies. We are not peaceful by an advanced alien standard. We are cave beasts with potentially life ending weapons.
EmeraldFlight ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah that's super likely and not even out of science fiction
BowtieCustomerRep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Touche, but think about it, we are literally living a science fiction existence right now in 2017. We have mind-boggling technological capabilities than we could have even dreamed of 100 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if we have reality-shattering discoveries in the next 100.
EmeraldFlight ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:07:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No we're not
We're living an existence that more or less lines up with projection, and it's hardly as clean and magical as sci-fi usually is
For example, VR isn't actually VR, it's just a TV close to your face
Timwi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:59:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get your hopes up... That "knowledge" will be indistinguishable from opinion or superstition.
Iceykitsune2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowledge can be demonstrated, opinion/religion can't.
Timwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally hadnโt thought of that. Instead of just saying that something is the case, they could describe an experiment that will demonstrate it. And ideally, we shouldnโt take their word for it, we should repeat the experiment.
JordyLakiereArt ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:47:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is it for me. Finding other life would be a historic event of immeasurable importance to us. Unfortunately much wouldn't change about human nature, but it'd be a step forward. Though if it was anything more than microbial (highly unlikely) it would probably rock our entire world.
joegekko ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:22:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would not be too terribly surprised if there is simple multi-cellular life under the ice on Europa.
tricksovertreats ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 13:57:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โTwo possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.โ - Arthur C. Clarke
KnowsAboutMath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've never understood this quote. To me, if we're alone in the Universe it's just sad and lonely. If we're not, it's fantastic.
whoamreally ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is terrifying, in that if we are the only life, what happens when we (life on Earth) are gone? All life ceases to exist. But if there is other life, and they are hyper intelligent, then they could possibly wipe out life on Earth.
BowtieCustomerRep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if all extraterrestrial life is simply super advanced AI that has gotten out of control of their original creators and is on a rampage through the universe to destroy all organic life tho?
OrangeFreeman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might actually witness this in your lifetime. NASA is sending in 2020 an expedition to Jupiter's icy moon Europa. Under Europa's layer of ice there most likely could be warm liquid water, which is the fundamental condition for life to exist. And Europa Clipper mission is supposed to check just that (and some other things).
Also, there are suspicions about Moon having tunnels deep underground with liquid water. Which could mean there's life right next to our planet.
mfb- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:34:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both NASA's Europa Clipper and ESA's JUICE have 2022 as planned launch date, although the former will arrive there faster. We'll see what they find, but even if there is life on Europa (which is unclear on its own), it is not that likely that the missions find clear evidence for it. A probe that can melt through the ice would be great, but that is far into the future. Well, if nothing goes wrong I'll stay around for several decades, so it might still happen.
Fadedcamo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:16:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm assuming you mean intelligent life but really don't discount the very real possibility of us finding microscopic life on Mars if we ever get human scientists there. It may seem like a whatever discovery but literally all of life that science knows of is simply the stuff originated from earth. All plants and animals share a similiar tree of life and are fundamentally the same biological mechanisms, DNA and rna and such. If we were to discover life that uses a different mechanism it would literally be the birth of an entirely new scientific field. We could much better predict how life evolves and forms in the first place and the discoveries are unimaginable beyond that.
mfb- ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean any sort of life.
The chance to find life on a level similar to humans is negligible. Either they won't be considered intelligent by us, or we won't be considered intelligent by them.
Fadedcamo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree looking at our timeline of technological development and our thought process would lead you to that conclusion. Based on our history you give or take a thousand years, which is barely a blink on the galactic timeline, we can either meet cavemen or magical space gods.
But again one thing you Need to factor in is intelligent alien life doesn't necessarily have to think like humans. In fact they probably won't. Likely our path of intelligent evolution isn't the only way to reach a space faring civilization. Shit at the rate we're going we probably won't reach that level of society. So maybe the lifeforms who do reach the level where they can explore other stars they act completely different in their thoughts, motivations, and social interests and interaction. With that in mind it would be impossible to assume they will act anything like us if they were to meet us. They could be fascinated by our society or completely indifferent or want to destroy us. It's really hard to assign human motivation to truly alien life because we really don't understand any thought process other than humans
MVPizzle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:33:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No we are NOT ready for that shit
l0te ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:51:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to refine this to discovering macroorganisms, because as honestly interesting it would be, I know the first LIFE DISCOVERED ON MARS or whatever is going to be some kind of frozen sincle-celled "nothing," and it'll be pretty anticlimactic. I wanna see aliens moving around and stuff.
Mamajam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we have abiogenesis on Mars and on Earth independently, then it is very climactic.
The bottom line is that the Great Filter is either right in front of us or way behind us, the fact we have so much intelligent life on this planet would lead me to believe the filter is forward and we have something fun to look forward too.
Armagetiton ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of life on our planet is far from proof that the great filter is in front of us. It could just be that the rare earth hypothesis is true, that our circumstances in our solar system are exceedingly rare even by astronomical numbers that allowed life to thrive.
Mamajam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely agree, you can't infer anything about the general probabilities from either side with our perspective. But that isn't fun for a thread about aliens.
Armagetiton ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's fun to think of in it's own way. What if we actually are the first to make it this far?
Our solar system is is truly amazing, a perfect set of circumstances. A perfect distance from the right kind of star. A moon whose gravitational influences encouraged and excellerated evolution through tidal forces. A gas giant that has likely saved us from global extinction numerous times by attracting apocalyptic meteors to itself.
Only after all these factors are in place there's the unlikely event of intelligent life. Intelligent life isn't even enough though, it had to be intelligent life capable of using tools.. for example if dolphins developed brains like our own they wouldn't make it as far due to not being able to use tools nearly as well.
Intelligent life might not even be the extremely unlikely phase, though. Maybe it's multicellular organisms. We've found fossils of single cell organisms on Mars, so we know that self replicating matter probably isn't the filter, but maybe the multicellular part is.
EmeraldFlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it wasn't, and there were millions of other life-supporting planets, how the fuck would they get here
They're definitely not just down the road
BowtieCustomerRep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do have a pretty unique situation with only a single star system and an unusually large moon that is orbiting very close to us. Now the question is, HOW unique is our situation?
BBClapton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A very interesting thing I read on the interwebs a while ago was the theory a few people had that, supposedly, the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 was supposed to be our Great Filter; that all technological advancement in human history was leading up to that moment, in which we were supposed to destroy ourselves through nuclear anihilation. But, for some odd reason, we didn't. So, according to that theory, we've "passed the test" and passed the Great Filter.
Obviously, I have no idea if that's true or not, but it seemed like a very interesting hypothesis.
jammerjoint ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:40:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been reading the Three Body Problem series recently. The Dark Forest analogy is on my mind a lot:
From this, it is derived that if one civilization discovers another's precise location, the best strategy is to preemptively destroy it. Survival in our universe is a zero sum game, and one cannot ever be sure of the other civilizations intentions, or of the other civilization's perception of one's own intentions. The distance compounds the suspicion in a chain, which makes peace impossible. Even if one is superior to the other, that relation could be upended by sudden technological advancement.
Thus, the universe is like a dark forest, prowled by hunters who all seek to kill anyone they see without warning. Broadcasting one's own location is suicide.
UnacceptableOrgasm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This assumes that all species are amoral monsters that lack emotions like curiosity and empathy.
jammerjoint ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't thought about it enough. No assumption about morality is made. Example: suppose two civilizations make contact. Civilization 1 contemplates the possibilites:
As you can see, the chain of suspicion grows quickly and is difficult to break due to the difficulty and danger of transmitting information. You cannot expect a civilization to choose morality over threats to its very existence.
Imperator_Knoedel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"And that is why I only ever win by Domination."
relateablename ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:04:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw Life. Fuck that I'd rather be alone in the galaxy.
santaclaus73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life, alien, event horizon, sphere. Have we not learned anything!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or creating it in a lab
inspectoralex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!!! If we could create life, even just single-celled organisms, or maybe even just something like mitochondria...that would be so incredible. I want us to figure out how the fuck life came to be in the first place, or at least find out one possible way life could have come to be.
Think about it. Life had to start somewhere, sometime, with something. It took hundreds of millions of years for life to evolve, but I bet it started in an instant. Just the right ingredients at just the right moment in just the right place.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:58:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed, I'm not a fan of the "from an asteroid theory" that just shifts the location with out explaining how. It also seems far less likely. If life as we know it were to spontaneously generate, it seems more likely to happen in massive salt water oceans then on a frozen asteroid.
My personal theory is that every molecule required for life has a specific heat of formation, and you need to have pool of molecules whose temperature is being cycled through heating and cooling cycles allowing for the heats of formations of all the minimum required molecules to form while not heating too much such that the molecules are denatured.
What better place for that than churning oceans with day/night cycles? I honestly don't think it'd take the millions of years scientists say is required.
To prove it in a lab, all you'd need is perfectly sterile sealed container, with raw elements for life, water, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, potassium, sodium, phosphorous, iron etc. Cycle it through all of the heats of formations for all the molecules for life in the right order with a gentle mixing to simulate tides and I think you'd get pretty damn close pretty quickly.
Personally I think life spontaneously could be forming right now but the building blocks are getting consumed by other more developed life forms before it gets a chance to come together.
sealing_deals ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:38:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we discover life, I hope it's just a few starfish and some mosquitoes on a deserted planet. If it's intelligent life, I bet it's 99% chance we get into an intergalactic war.
ShubhamBelwal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You haven't seen life (movie), have you?
johnson56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched life a few nights ago and it really got me intrigued by the whole idea of other lifeforms.
oulipo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be in our computers
Maximusdeximus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The James Webb Space telescope could help with this...
Crosbyisacunt69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:46:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right? Maybe one day our kind will be able to socialize outside of reddit!
DonPoppito666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watched the movie Life....fuck that.
arrongunner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why we need that Europa mission!
nkiki2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be cool to compare our history with their history
Imperator_Knoedel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:19:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"So then, instead of possibly igniting a global war with millions and millions of casualties over the assassination of some aristocrat, the workers of the world united, toppled the ancien regime and established a new order of freedom and equality for all. We have been steadily advancing and improving collective welfare ever since. So, when did you have your communist world revolution?"
RutCry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The possibility that humanity may spend the next thousand years searching the cosmos for life and find nothing is a more staggering thought than finding anything at all.
dreftig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just knowing that we are not alone would be so amazing.
Kantuva ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not too long far away, once the James Webb Telescope is online they will start going over all the most interesting Keppler discovered exo-planets, and trying to get spectrographies of their atmospheres.
Now, remember we only need to find a decent amount of Oxygen and a couple other biomarkers to know that there probably is life on that planet, I'm just an undegrad, but talking with some older astronomers, I have heard ballparked that we are from 5 to 15 years to finding exo-life.
mfb- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there is life producing a lot of oxygen and methane on one of the planets, JWST might find it, and it will launch 2018. We don't know how frequent that is.
ELT will do similar measurements, it will start 2022.
Yes, there is certainly a good chance - if life is common.
Kantuva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it is kinda rare I think we still have a good shot at it on the next 15 years. We have found bio-markers here on earth that indicate life arose less than 1 billion years after the earth formed, and we are getting to the limit if not past it regarding indentifying rock records, and beware that a considerable amount of time passed before it actually showing up and our records, so it is not a far distance to think that we can push the boundary from <1bn down to 700 mill years or even less.
The earth is just a single data point, but the core idea is there, life when given the necessary means will not delay on showing up, all the people specialized on exo-life things are 100% looking forward to the next phase of curiosity, who btw just released this cool vid explaining how the Gale crater formed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-uAz82sH-E
But yeah, most if not all of the astronomers I know, are very, very hyped about the next 15 or so years, atm we are living on what's basically a golden age for all "Exo" things (and if we are not on kind of a golden age, we are getting there pretty fast!)
Almost forgot, Tess is coming soon! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpViVEO-ymc Around March 2018 iirc was the current launch date
TurbineCRX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if we found fossile fuels elsewhere, that would be cool. They're much more likely then green men or skeletons,
GiveMeAllYourRupees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:27 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As amazing as this discovery would be, I'd almost prefer if we discovered what dark matter and energy is, along with its origins.
mfb- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:05 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be amazing as well, but I think the overall impact would be smaller.
As particle physicist, discovering dark matter would have a direct impact on my work, but that is not representative. Life elsewhere is something where everyone can understand the importance.
Ku-xx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My only fear with this would be what we'd do once we found it. Peaceful agrarian co-op society? Better hope they don't have precious metals or minerals that we need. Plant-like, animal-like, any multicellular being...Let's cut it up and see what it looks like.
We're in such a rush to introduce ourselves to other life forms, and here we are on earth, still enslaving fellow humans to cultivate shrimp and change bed linens. Who's to say intelligent life that may exist outside our realm of perception is already giving this planet a wide berth?
It would be really cool, though.
mfb- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most likely event would be the detection of chemicals linked to life on some planet far away. Real life is not Star Trek.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mfb- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is not a science fiction soap opera.
The most likely discovery of life would be via chemicals related to life on a planet far away.
GeordiLaFuckinForge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly right. It's a looooooong stretch to go from "I hope we discover life" to "how will we treat intelligent aliens."
It bugs me how people assume when/if we find life, it will definitely be sentient. Most likely it will be microscopic chemical reactions that force us to reconsider what we consider "life." If we discovered something similar to plant life it would be incredible. There are an infinite number of possibilities of discovering life that are infinitely more likely than discovering intelligent aliens with superweapons like straight out of a movie. I wouldn't be surprised if we're the only space faring civilization humans ever know. Maybe we'll find "plant" and "animal" life, but there's no guarantee that it has to (or even would want to) explore the universe.
KnowsAboutMath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the most likely discovery of life will be via spectroscopy of starlight passing through the atmospheres of distant planets. This technology is currently exploding, and I genuinely expect this to occur in the next 20-50 years.
mytrillosophy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a violent alien species discovers us first we're done for
pinepots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see humans on Mars
jasonlcssays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And also travel interstellarly fuckkkkk I'm so excited for the future cause I'm gonna be a mother fucking bad ass astronaut
pppaaassseeeiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it would not. Best case they are not evolved and useless. Worst case they are evolved and will destroy us.
patscelticssox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you could say that would be... out of this world
woleykram ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The implications on religion alone...I can't even imagine.
Mail540 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it would affect that much. The Bible doesn't say earth was the only thing God created life on.
Patrick_the_Saint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
NathMBurt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The exact same thing happened to my family in the 2 years ago and hopefully we will find away to beat cancer.
inspectoralex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replied to the wrong comment, unless your family discovered life on a different planet. That aside, I hope you are healing well from your loss(es).
NathMBurt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh yeah oops and thanks, but amazingly they have all survived.
rotating_carrot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naah, that would require me to go outside. Been there once. Graphigs werent so great and gameplay was kinda boring.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should read the three body problem. It's a chinese scifi novel that does a pretty great job of illustrating why that would be terrible.
bigboy351 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Booo. I want space war.
tuesdaybooo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't the fermi paradox imply that finding life so close to us is a bad sign?
PenIslandTours ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck with that...
d1rtdevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Wow!"
Crazy_Space_Dust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dibs on finding it
kevinlmtf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you watched the movie "LIFE"?
harboursalesman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or terrifying lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's almost certainly intelligent life out there. The problem is that space is soooooooooo fucking vast. If we never travel faster than light (which seems unlikely in the next forever) then it's gonna take hundreds of years for them or us to reach each other, and that's even if they're really local to begin with (in our corner of our galaxy).
wgdvs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember one of these two statements is true. We are either here all alone....or there are others out there. Both are equally as terrifying.
Wh1te_Cr0w ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried gaming? RL4LYFE
TheLast_Centurion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and imagine confirming alien life (only through some messages) but knowing they are on their way to greet us, but knowing that it will take about hundred years, knowing you will miss everything more. How do they look, how do they sound, what the music of theirs sounds like, what will the ship look like, photos from their planets and much more. Damn.. :/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then we'd have to built a space wall. I don't how we'd make the aliens pay for it though. They may not use human currency.
5tr4nGe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://xkcd.com/1377/
Relevant XKCD
fisherthirty3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see this too! It would throw a wrench in most religions, which would be awesome!
SCUMDOG_MILLIONAIRE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially something multi-cellular
Reallychelseawow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So long as they stay where they are and vice versa.
As humans, we can't even handle going into another country without blowing people up, I feel like it won't take us long to be blowing up each other.
spork-a-dork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligent life, even better. Maybe that would make humanity finally putting their Big Boy pants on, regarding space exploration and international co-operation.
awc88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either we're the only planet with life in the entire universe, or there is life elsewhere in the cosmos. Either way it's mind blowing.
JRthePUMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give it 2 more years tops
extracanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until it comes here and offers us fancy tech in exchange for land
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea I like this one. Especially if they were nice and fuzzy
themightytouch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely!
zerbey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I expect to see this within the next 20 years, probably on Enceladus, Europa or Mars. Contact with intelligent life would be a nice bonus too.
Rob-D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see that!
noelcowardspeaksout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It isn't wishful thinking. There are plans to use the sun as a massive lens for radio signals. You can then pick up immensely weak signals from point sources - unlike today.
SpaciousNova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if we find the Galactic Empire, what do we do then? Darth Vader and the 501st are gonna curb stomp us
The_Godlike_Zeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think so? Isn't it just as amazing to know that we are alone in the universe, meaning that we on Earth are truly special?
GenitalMotors ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The implications of finding intelligent life on another planet would be enormous. It would essentially prove all of the main religions on Earth to be false. People would lose their minds.
paxgarmana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude, I hear they found life in Australia!
SoleHunt3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for earth people to subjugate aliens and become intergalatic conquerors.
Nerdork86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, this is the one thing I'm waiting for. Even if it's just weird microbes or fish like things on one of Jupiter's or Saturn's moons.
MintyTruffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microscopic life, yes. Primitive life, sure. I hope to god we never find antything as intelligent as us, though.
Disastre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always get the feel that we would find some wiggly bacteria sized things and there goes the whole alien encounter thing
That_One_Kiid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully they're friendly. I'd rather not discover extraterrestrial life forms only to have them exterminate us
ongy13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree! Better if they're intelligent beings.
CajunVagabond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to see us create artificial intelligence/life. I feel that a life form that doesn't need food or oxygen has a much greater chance of spreading non-biological life throughout the universe. I mean, we only have so long on this planet anyway.
mr_ji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on your point of view, we did this a long time ago. There are plenty of self-sustaining bodies out there, just not that function the way we're traditionally taught. Still qualifies under the broader definition of "the existence of an individual."
DRW0813 ยท 19307 points ยท Posted at 11:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing cancer. Or making cancer something easily treatable. I have three family members all diagnosed with cancer in the past year.
helpinghat ยท 7429 points ยท Posted at 12:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that cancer is not a disease. It's a group of diseases. It's unlikely that we'll ever have one miracle cure but hopefully in the future we have efficient treatments for all different types of cancer.
Strindberg ยท 2285 points ยท Posted at 14:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father died of a form of cancer I didn't even know existed. Cancer of unknown primary orgin. Meaning that the primary tumor couldn't be found and couldn't be treated. But the cancer kept spreading in his body. How do you even cure a cancer like that?
Htinedine ยท 1016 points ยท Posted at 15:30:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better early detection diagnostics.
[deleted] ยท 625 points ยท Posted at 16:27:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Geta-Ve ยท 432 points ยท Posted at 16:30:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if automated constant body and organ monitoring (if / when that ever becomes viable) would do the trick?
Kind of like an antivirus software for your body.
EDIT: I imagine an all in one device (like your phone) would track all this. Have the chips or whatever implanted and let your phone tell you when you need to get checked out.
boop unidentified cells have been located with the lower region of your liver -- would you like me to book an appointment with your GP?
boop anomalous readings from within your pinky toe -- probably toe cancer -- would you like me to book an appointment with your GP?
boop spatial and rhythmic movements indicate you're attempting coitus; penile blood flow is low, and or nonfunctional -- would you like me to book an appointment with your GP? Optionally would you like me to place an order for Kirkland Brand Viagara? 500 pills for the low price of $9.99! Everything's bigger and better at Costco! Big boy.
fmhall ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is right around the corner. Google companies Grail and Freenome. They monitor the cDNA in your body which can detect cancer incredibly early.
ExcerptMusic ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 17:45:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Geta-Ve ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Top 10 life hacks for your iBody
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iwashere23 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:47:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you name some that you've found?
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:10:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RBozydar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any chance you could send it to me as well?
Thanks!
iwashere23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's awesome. I'll be sure to remind you if I don't hear/read from you. Thank you :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iwashere23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to schedule a check up before work tomorrow. Is there any tests/labs/etc that I should them to have run on me? I usually see my doctor once a year.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iwashere23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet. I'll be sure to add those to our discussion when ever they can fit me in. Thank you for the suggestions.
chrysophilist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask also to have your vitamin D checked, if you haven't had it checked within the past couple years. Vitamin D is a thing that most people are deficient in (in my country at least). Symptoms of vitamin D deficiency are "you just feel kind of shitty all the time" and the cure is "take a vitamin".
Raddagast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are guidelines for screening that your doctor knows for your age group and family history.
thatwentwell ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:31:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are so close to this. We need it to happen. I really want this to be a thing in the next 10 years
exikon ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 21:00:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but we are not even remotely close to this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:28 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just dunk yourself in a bucket of CRISPR and if it finds any misformed DNA it converts to your backup copy.
Easy peasy.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 21:38:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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harsh183 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but we are really, really far away.
exikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:19:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is akin to saying "well, obviously we can nearly build a formula 1 car, we just figured out how to use round logs to roll stuff instead of having to carry it". We are not even at the point were we can find cancer early with a full hospitals equipment, and lightyears from having a small carriable device that can do everything at once.
ds612 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:27:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens if a mother has this and then starts to form a baby in her. Would the cells think it's a foreign body and kill the baby? This sounds nice on paper but possibly very dangerous in real life.
Relapsingx ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 18:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it just detects and you still need to see a doctor for confirmation and treatment.
ds612 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 19:08:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I see. I think my brain made up it's own thing to read. Idiot brain.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALERT
NUCLEUS ACCUMBENS MALFUNCTION DETECTED!
LYSIS OF NEURAL CELLS INITIATED!
ALZHEIMER'S MODE ENGAGED!
Iammadeoflove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There're just cells
barkfoot ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:45:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's monitoring, not doing anything itself. Detection is key so you take early action.
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're writing limitations for technology that doesn't exist yet.
Technology isn't made by someone clicking their finger and going "look, this exists now! Start using it"
There're these things called research and testing.
ToddToilet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would actually make it more appealing to me.
PM-ME-YOUR-SUBARU ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanomachines, son.
giantbfg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want Big Shell? Because this is how you get Big Shell.
Nathan_RS3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:18:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you don't want to start all the conspiracy nuts about implanted chips. This will be the next modern day 'i'm not vaccinating my child', people refusing to get diagnostic software implanted into their children bc muh government is watching.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. As I was writing it I was thinking this exact thing.
kaenneth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:29:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boop Your lower intestine license has expired; please drink a Verification Can to continue.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VerifiCANtion
well_uh_yeah ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe this sounds weird, but I imagine it more like a high tech toilet. Seems like that already has access to, uh, a lot of material it could analyze and the seat could have a bunch of sensors of some sort added in.
adrenalive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:55:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called Smart Pipe, and it's the future
https://youtu.be/DJklHwoYgBQ
Mafros99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:14:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avast! Cancer database has been updated!
TheRedSpade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
500 for $9.99? If you can find one Viagra for that price, it's not Viagra.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Viagrow. Trust us, it works!!
severoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! It's the software that's an antivirus for your computer โฆ the body gets original credit for that one.
What do you call it when the skeuomorph slips into the role of the thing it was originally modeling over time? Post-skeuomorphism?
badatchoosingthings ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw I wish I weren't poor I wanna give you gold. This made me laugh out loud at the restaurant I'm at and now the waiter and the people sitting around me are probably jealous they don't get to look at something so entertaining on their phones.
Geta-Ve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the thought that counts!
<3
Donnarhahn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apple is already working on this.
ListenHereYouLittleS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it is in systemic blood...yea, this is possible. Problem is, by that time, its a little too late. Its the local fuc*ers we need to detect early.
Biffabin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Star Trek...
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. I could be wrong but generally speaking citizens within the Trek universe didn't have their health monitored 24/7 automatically.
Biffabin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but a tricorder could tell you what was going on pretty quick
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure! But a more automated process would make more sense for us currently. I think in the Trek future they don't really need an automated checkup since most disease has been wiped out. So the only time to visit the doctor would be for major issues and just year checkups so the doc can remind you to not work so hard and lose the weight fatty. lol
finallyinfinite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This sounds like a fun concept in a sci-fi novel
BlissnHilltopSentry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A common theme in sci-fi these days is nanobots put into your body which both can detect and heal problems.
_feynman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rate of false positives for something like that would basically halt any medical system.
It's easy to design an antivirus for a computer because we know exactly how a computer is supposed to work. The range of what "normal" is in a complex natural system like the human body is so broad.
Geta-Ve ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have to start somewhere though. Eventually we'd be able to test against a database of millions or billions of results and give the 'user' that valuable feedback. And they can make the call if they should see their GP.
Phyzzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hook me up with that full body fit bit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that not one of the ideas that was brought up in The Circle
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh was it? I never watched that movie.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there was some drinking of some sensor and a fitbit-like bracelet involved and everything was tracked. Ir's one of the cooler concepts I've been introduced to, but it's also scary.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah. That's cool. I think I'd take the risk.
vesok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds interesting, for sure, but something like that would be a gold mine for selling information.
randomasesino2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except, it is estimated that the average human removes a fairly large amount of cancer cells from their body already by natural processes.
Sawyer731123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Up vote for Kirkland brand viagra
Hellebras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Google, download AdBlock."
TardisTechnologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problems with something like this are all the problems that go along with incidental findings.
Incidental findings are findings on a medical exam which were not the original purpose of the exam and would otherwise have been missed. For example, some lung area is included in an x-ray of a fractured shoulder, and the radiologist sees a suspicious blob on the lung tissue - it could be cancerous, and s/he has to comment on it in the report even though it does not pertain to the original reason for the exam.
So the patient goes for a chest x-ray, and the radiologist can't see the same nodule on the lung. Better do blood work to see if anything is off. Blood work comes back, results are ambiguous; something's slightly elevated outside of normal limits, and could indicate that the patient is having an immune response to cancerous cells, or maybe they just have a cold.
The next step to rule out anything funky in the lungs and be absolutely sure is a chest CT. The patient has a chest CT and the nodule is nowhere to be seen; maybe it was just an area of soft tissue bruising in the original shoulder x-ray, or a lung vessel projected at an odd angle, or a drop of x-ray dye on the x-ray detector.
At this point the patient has undergone unnecessary blood work, two exams exposing them to more radiation (including a chest CT which is a LOT of radiation relative to other medical exams) and it's all because there was one questionable false positive.
All of this testing increases the risk of something else happening to the patient as a result of medical testing, places massive cost on the healthcare system, and causes the patient a ton of stress while they're waiting for tests and results.
TLDR: over-detection is not always good, it's a problem. We need to know who we screen, what they're predisposes to, and tailor medical testing to their own risk profiles. Screen smokers for lung cancer, women for breast cancer, etc.
A catch-all test would catch way more than we want to know.
chrysophilist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a cardiac electrophysiology clinic - a heart electrician, as the doctors put it.
There is a device called a Loop Recorder that is used as a diagnostic tools in patients with symptoms of abnormal heart rhythms. It is an implantable machine less than the size of a AAA battery that is implanted just under the skin and records cardiac telemetry.
This machine can detect heart rates outside of predetermined parameters, automatically record EKG rhythm strips during the episode, and then transmit that reading to the doctor's office via wireless home communicator all without the patient necessarily being aware an episode even took place.
There are similar functions for modern pacemakers and defibrillators. It's pretty darn cool to call a patient in the morning to let her know that her heart stopped for a bit there overnight, and she needs to come see the doctor.
harsh183 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:54:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An interesting area will also be looking into the privacy concerns of these. Who can hold this data?
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Harmlessly mutated cells pop up all the time so you'd be having a heart attack every day wondering if today is the day it's cancer.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:37:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iwashere23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's it like being a molecular biologist? Do you love it?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:08:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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downvote_me_moreYOLO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is pay in the industry, and is finding a job with a PhD + post-doc experience a bit easier? (Also, do you recommend moving to California or Cambridge where there -at least seems to be- more jobs?)
starfries ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's disappointing, because I want to do science but I don't think I have the singleminded dedication to science to actually make a career out of it in academia.
iwashere23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow. That sounds kind of depressing. Have you ever thought about working on a startup or similarly related business? You do have a particular set of skills that might be a dream for startups(reverse taken speech).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iwashere23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a lot on biotech. How to make the machines, biohack groups, and the like. Have you looked in to DIY biolabs? There are a lot of really interesting resources online, such as making a paper centrifuge that costs 50 cents to make.
second question: What's keeping the company from being more stable(if you can answer or need to take this into a pm feel free)?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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iwashere23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not putting me down. I value honesty. Also, I'm honestly really curious about your set up. Could you link me to comparable set ups so I can learn more about what the specifics of what you're talking about?
I love the term "bioreactor". lol.
If you're near a college there might be programs you could tap into for cheap labor in exchange for experience.
petite_philosopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tissue-specific gene correction could also work. Especially as a prophylactic, if someone had their genome sequenced.
MedStudentScientist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:33:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately (or possibly fortunately), this isn't true. Even "early" stage pancreatic cancer has dismal outcomes. And very late stage testicular or leukemia (depending on type) even when disseminated throughout the body can now have very good outcomes. Likewise, breast cancer screening campaigns and prostate cancer screening have remarkably minor effects on mortality. Similarily, there have been molecular genetic studies on colon cancer (and other) that suggest that at least part of the effect is that slow growing, less malignant cancers are just more likely to be found while still small, because they stay small for a longer period of time. On the flip side ita probably true that smaller, "earlier" cancers have less genetic heterogeneity, meaning that there is less likely to be a treatment resistant subgroup. However, all told, advancements in treatment have probably been much more significant than advancements in screening and detection.
notapantsday ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a double edged sword, though. We often develop small cancerous tumors that our body deals with without us even noticing. Detecting all of these will lead to a ton of unnecessary interventions (like chemo, radiation or surgery) and might do more harm than good in the end.
PorkChopExpress80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't help me. My dad has an incurable form of bone marrow cancer :(
jewbotbotbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are methods in current development which can detect cancer DNA in blood. They just need to be verified against conventional methods
muskokagal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While early detection plays a role in a favourable prognosis, it is not "the real cure to cancer". Look at the metastatic breast cancer community - many women are dying despite initially being diagnosed with an early stage cancer.
Raddagast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:45:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While that's fundamentally true, it's not representative of the whole problem. The real answer is prevention. In early detected lung cancers in former smokers, people often have devastating consequences of their smoking including coronary vascular disease, lung disease (COPD), and predisposition to multiple cancers especially another lung cancer. Moreover, even if you cut out or ablate a small Stage IA lung cancer, recurrence is unsettlingly high compared to say early breast or prostate cancer. You're starting with poor protoplasm.
Primary prevention with public education to reduce smoking, policy to limit second hand exposure, and interventions to limit radon exposure are paramount in beating lung cancer. The screening debates for other common cancers are complicated as well.
When our nanorobots start to replace our immune system and kill small cancerous collections of cells, then improved early detection may play out as advantageous in certain diseases.
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you do for extremely fast growing ones like leukemia or the terrible ones like gliomas
Shooterdog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:12:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leukemias are actually among the highest cure-rate cancers (generally speaking. There are subtypes that are still quite difficult to treat). They respond surprisingly well to conventional chemotherapy, and many targeted molecular therapies (Imatinib/Gleevec, and Rituximab, for example) have been developed for leukemias.
Gliomas are much harder to treat unfortunately. Early detection will certainly help, but irradiating the brain at high levels is obviously not a good idea, surgery is difficult because you have to remove all the tumor cells without damaging brain tissue, and intravenous drugs are difficult to administer because of issues crossing the blood-brain barrier. So with gliomas, much research is dedicated to understanding how the cancer forms and how it can be better treated.
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rituximab treats lymphomas they are CD20 antibodies. Imatinib halts progression of CML for a few years. The only "cure" known for leukemias is the bone marrow transplant which is worse than a lobotomy in some ways especially if you get GvHD.
Shooterdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right right my bad, lymphomas are different from leukemias. I tend to group hematopoietic malignancies together. Still, many leukemias are surprisingly responsive to conventional chemo, at least going by the 5-year survival rates.
One aspect of cancer I find super interesting is clonal hematopoiesis of indeterminate potential (CHIP for short). Basically, many healthy individuals have blood cells harboring classic oncogenic mutations, like DNMT3a and P53 (the studies i've read/been involved in have been for leukemia so many of the candidate genes looked at were picked for their involvement in leukemia). But not all of these people go on to develop cancer (specifically leukemia), which seems odd at first because they harbor cells with leukemic mutations.
For patients that do go on to develop leukemia, usually it is one of these low frequency CHIP cells that goes on to be the dominant leukemic clone. Relapse is also pretty common in some leukemias especially AML, and for a while it was thought to be due to chemotherapy causing mutations in cells that would go on to cause the secondary leukemia. But, there have been some studies publishing results where the relapsed cancer originated from cells that were detectable at super low levels when the primary cancer was diagnosed. So the chemotherapy didn't really yield any new mutations, it just changed the bone marrow environment enough to give a fitness advantage to a different CHIP cell, leading to another cancer.
Really neat stuff from the perspective of fitness and clonal evolution. Lot of implications for the clinical treatment of leukemia too, IMO
Strindberg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My father got diagnosed pretty late, but in hindsight that might have been for the better. He got to have one last good summer with his grandkids where everything was almost same as usual. He probably knew something wasn't right and felt worse than he let on. But if we would've found out earlier that he had incurable cancer that whole summer would've been a much darker time.
AVeryMadFish ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobots
cobo10201 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the way to "cure" cancer. Detecting it long before it becomes a problem and treating it immediately.
AtheistComic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computing hardware is almost there, but the real bottleneck is software because there is so much to do in order to advance set theory in third dimensional coordinate pathfinding as the human body has so many moving particles. Field computing the particles in realtime is what is being depicted on Star Trek when they show someone using a medical tri-corder. (tri for 3rd dimension over time)
jewbotbotbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is key. Using more delicate diagnostic techniques which detect cancer DNA at previously undetectable levels. This method would replace current techniques which require surgical removal of a portion of the tissue for biopsy.
Feynization ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:27:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well hopefully we'll be able to target specific genetic mutations of those.
[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 15:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Shooterdog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're getting better, to be fair. Gleevec and Herceptin are some pretty good drugs for CML and HER+ breast cancer, and the development of fully humanize monoclonal antibodies targeting PD-1 was basically a revolution for treatment of solid tumors like melanoma and lung cancer.
That said, I agree we still have much to learn. Sequencing platforms are becoming super powerful tools for looking at cells on the DNA, RNA, and protein levels are various stages of tumor development and progression, and a lot of work being done with immune system reprogramming, like CAR-T-cells, seems really promising (at least for B-cell leukemia, which is what the FDA is looking at now)
poopitydoopityboop ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gleevec is also a great drug for metastatic GIST. Look out for my paper on the topic in the coming months :P
Feynization ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool. What's your science name?
does GIST = Gastro Intestinal System Tumours? If not I'm lost.
Max_Thunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The easiest way would probably be close to eugenics: fix embryonic genes until people don't develop cancers anymore.
It's not that straightforward, but after a few generations of this... Some people never seem to get cancer, and they die of heart failure at an old age.
Of course, there might also be cancers that are strictly caused by the environment, or caused by unknown viruses and parasites. But I could see cancer becoming very rare.
Feynization ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is really unethical.
This is not as clean a solution as you would like it to be.
Cancer is a game of roulette where you can improve or worsen the odds. You can't not play the game.
Max_Thunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genetic predispositions play a major role in cancer. Of course, it's not the only predictor. But it's a game of roulette where one starts with 3 bullets and the other one starts with 1 bullet.
There's nothing unethical about it if everyone has access to the technology. The main ethical problem is that yes, what likely would happen is that richer people would afford to get gene therapies for their embryos, while poor remain would keep all their predispositions. There may be other ethical issues but you can't just claim that humans using a technology is unethical.
Are you saying that gene therapy is wrong? If you knew you had a strong predisposition for certain cancers, and could make sure your kids wouldn't have that predisposition and could afford the genetic modification (say, to replace the responsible allele by one from the mother), you wouldn't do that because it's wrong?
Feynization ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:30:56 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahhh. I see where the misunderstanding was. Google "Eugenics". It's not the word you're looking for. I agree with the concept you have in mind.
Leif-Erikson94 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:07:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a pharmacy and one of our customers daughter died like that. They couldn't find the primary tumor, but it was spreading throughout the body like you wouldn't believe, heavily infesting the bones, causing agonizing pain the entire time.
It's really heartbreaking to think about, knowing that she was probably in pain even in her final moments...
Flint_Westwood ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:22:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, you don't.
Strindberg ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:05:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's right. You don't. It makes up around 2-6% of cancercases per year. Around 85% die within a year. It's among the shittier cancers to get. My father died 2.5 months after getting a definitive diagnos. His doctors told us that in a lot of other cancers there's been significant progress in treatment and your chance of survival is a lot better. But this type of cancer not so much.
Trk- ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:30:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry about your father. My best guess would be nano bots in your body that are constantly monitoring for cellular anomalies, but we are decades away from having this.
xcasandraXspenderx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same w my mom. That was the shittiest part.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sea urchins or something like that I think would work.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mom had that too. It sucks. :( I'm sorry.
theskymoves ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General body wide chemo and radio therapy to target all dividing cells.
It's not ideal, and the goal is to kill the cancer before the treatment kills the patient.
summonern0x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nukes?
Strindberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nukes, elbow grease and detoxing juices.
jthend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Randomly reading this thread and came upon your post. First off, I am very sorry for your loss. My best friend had back pain in late October of 2014 and started chiropractor visits and the chiropractor made him get an MRI. Mid January he was diagnosed with Cancer of an Unknown Primary (CUP) and on February 24th he passed one month after diagnosis. It was his wish to start a foundation for cancer, which we started in his name for patients diagnosed with CUP and families affected by it. If you'd like to take a look, visit stevswish.org.
Makeyouup ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:42:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to a relative of mine, and it turned out to be bone cancer. He never suggested she seek other treatment, even though she had a past history of cancer. He just wanted to keep seeing her. Obviously it was too late by the time they found what it actually was. Chiropractors are not actual doctors, they want to make money. "So come back and see me in a few days".
IDidIt_Twice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mother in law passed from the same thing. Was so throughout her torso they don't even know where it started. She passed 4.5 months later. Went to the hospital the second she didn't feel good. Already too late. It sucks. Sorry about your father.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:52:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tiny robots. Imagine a billion tiny robots that can go through your body as if it weren't even there, and move individual atoms and molecules to fix anything?
Such robots would be the cure for literally anything.
Strindberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just replace the patient with a robot.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically, yeah.
Wannabkate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DNA analysis
theskymoves ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:59:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's great buzzword use, but in reality, at the moment it only helps when you are looking for specific mutations we already have drugs for.
For example, imatinib (Gleevac) for the treatment of chronic myeloid leukaemia. There are now a series of similar drugs that target similar mutations that you can select for your patient based on their profile.
As resistance emerges to one drug, you can find another one that works and change the patient to that new drug. Problem being it's an extremely expensive therapy and you're on it for life.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wannabkate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well as our understanding of DNA coding increases we can see the difference of healthy cells and cancer cells DNA. And we can start to pinpoint what aspects of each type of cancer and where the damaged to DNA is.
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a genetics PhD but wouldn't the cancer cells contain signatures / DNA / CD proteins identifying their origins ?
Shooterdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many tumors that are unable to be diagnosed w/ tissue of origin have undergone significant genetic/epigenetic changes that alter the transcriptional profile to the point they can't be pegged as belonging to one tissue type. They're usually residing in a stem-cell-like undifferentiated transcriptional state. It is both impressive and terrifying how our cells are able to essentially 'rewind' time to get access to the embryonic transcriptional state, which controls a lot of the growth and development cell signaling pathways
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yikes! I didn't think a mature cell ending up in an undiffentiated transcriptional state was impossible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the hope isn't for a cure, since so often there simply can't be one, but for it to no longer be life threatening thanks to early detection and personalised medical treatment.
SeraphimNoted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobots, probably
postingfrommyphone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since we're talking about things we wished existed, I can imagine in the future a somewhat generalized cancer cure in the form of something that could just teach all your cells to kill any cancerous cells it fights, or alternatively some process (think radiation therapy) that is far more effective and safe enough to just blast your whole body.
I know those are pretty unlikely for a lot of reasons, but I wouldn't rule it out as impossible. I'm actually pretty confident we'll figure it out in the next hundred years or so, just probably none of our lifetimes.
hockeyjim07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
with chemo.
its what chemo does, we just haven't come up with a good mix for whatever it is your father had. which sucks but I KNOW we will get there.
Chemo attacks cells that grow faster than normal, the faster it grows the easier it is to kill without a lot of harm to the normal organs. I had testicular cancer which is one of, if not the most aggressive kind, (This sounds scary when a doctor is telling you have had it for less than 3 weeks and its already spread to your lungs and lymph nodes throughout your body and will require 2 surgeries and 4 rounds of Chemo) BUT what this also means is that it's one of the easier cancers to target because they grow SO MUCH faster than the rest of your cells.
The chemo is hell, worse than any other chemo, (4 rounds = 4-5 months where every week, M-F you go to the infusion room, 9am-5pm to get hooked up to the puke juice, every Wednesday you have a slow push injection of a 3rd chemo drug) BUT it's a lot easier to choose drugs that kill fast growing cells that won't hurt your normal cells as badly so its INCREDIBLY accurate... something like a 95% survivor rate.
30-40 years ago though, this type of cancer was one of the scariest because of how quickly it attacked and killed.
since then we've come up with other chemo formulas for other cancers and continue to do so every day, some will be difficult but by not means impossible.
The biggest hurdle is funding though, money gets poured into the research for few certain types of cancer because research groups have been set up specifically for THOSE TYPES of cancers. so unfortunately instead of studying all types equally or in a way that more accurately distributes funds as types of cancer are spread throughout society, we get some that are far more researched than others and continue to get more and more funding when others are desperately lacking.
When trying to donate for cancer research keep this is mind, try for camps like American Cancer Society that distribute their funds more proportionate to cancer occurrences.
neuromorph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CAT scan?
pdmishh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was diagnosed with cancer and this was a concern of mine given the cell type of my cancer. I had an ovarian tumor and this is very common with ovarian tumors (to come from other parts of the body). It actually can become really hard to determine differences in organs at the cellular level, so that's something that would have to be improved upon in cancer research
randomasesino2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might actually be a cancer that started in the blood. Think about it this way: cancer is a "bad" mutation of DNA. If the cancer cells were already in the blood or lymph vessels, you can spread very far without an apparent cause because eventually after multiple cycles and clumping in arterioles, it seems to be everywhere since blood goes everywhere but there is no easy starting point since the clumping has so many factors.
squeamish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's simple, just ask your chiropractor.
Ijustwantpornpls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First, I'm sorry for the lose of your father.
Holy shit man, that's terrifying.
reddithenry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would naively guess by improving things like wearables so that we can much earlier detect signs of cancer, thus meaning we try to catch it all early enough that we can pin it down to specifics (etc).
ioncehadsexinapool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a tooma
Skepsis93 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:32:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that's a tough one. If caught early chemo could help it, but without knowing where the primary tumor is it's impossible to localize the treatment so at that point your basically just nuking your system and halting all cellular reproduction, cancer and non-cancer cells. Chemo is rough, but IMO it's borderline barbaric when it can't be supplemented with localized/specific treatment options. Unfortunately, it's still the best option in some cases.
My heart goes out to you, I've only had one close relative die from cancer and I was little and barely remember it. I can't imagine losing a father to such an unforgiving disease.
Do you know if they ever did an autopsy to find the primary tumor? It may have been an unknown for your family, but hopefully it doesn't have to remain an unknown cancer for future families.
Shooterdog ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I recall correctly, there are multiple ways to diagnose the origin of a tumor (certain cell types make proteins specific to only that cell type, for example). When a tumor is diagnosed as unknown origin it is typically because the cells have undergone genetic changes that make them unable to be classified as belonging to one organ. Usually it is because they have changed to a more embryonic-like transcriptional state, and in their in-differentiated state they cannot be pegged as skin cells or liver cells, for example. Unfortunately those cancers tend to also be the most aggressive and resistant to conventional treatment.
Strindberg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chemo was kinda an alternative, but it still wouldn't do much. Might have given him a few more months. But a few more months of what? The chemo would nuke him and drain him of what little life and energy was left in him.
No autopsy was made, as far as I know. Per his wishes his body was donated to science fiction. Ok, that wasn't true.
I read his journal after he passed away. A sad and gruesome read, but also fascinating. So fucking brutal how cancer can just wreak havoc on a body in a few months.
Amator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It makes you kind of wonder if people will ever decide to get preemptive chemotherapy one day just in case. I can't see this as a good idea, but neither is the availability of full body scans done without physicians ordering them and that happens a lot.
[deleted] ยท -69 points ยท Posted at 15:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mannequindota ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:23:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your joke is in bad taste man, come on.
sirwestonlaw ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:31:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't funny either smh if he's gonna go for something like that it at least has to be good
Mannequindota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont care if its funny or not. A person only have a right to make that joke if they are the one dying of cancer.
sirwestonlaw ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that I disagree with. I've lot 2 family members to cancer and one of my friends has had cancer since he was 17, all we do is joke about it nowadays. If you don't laugh you don't heal and letting cancer be some sort of Voldemort doesn't do good for anyone
Mannequindota ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are right. But you I think to strangers its way out of line in cases like this.
[deleted] ยท -38 points ยท Posted at 15:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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sickmarmaladegrandpa ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:26:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not every single comment deserves a Rick and Morty reference. Bad taste and bad timing.
theillx ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where does the comma belong in your UN?
Sick marmalade, grandpa; or
Sick, marmalade grandpa?
or
Are you a grandpa known for his sick marmalade?
Edit: Downvote all you want, but I'm still waiting for the answer. Plus, I thought it was hilarious.
yourlocalheathen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sick marm, ala de grandpa
sickmarmaladegrandpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/hiB6my1B1EE
SkeetOnYaBish4Head ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Le Rick smahTESt man in uuniverse hehehe DAE SZECHUAN SAUCE!!!
[deleted] ยท 591 points ยท Posted at 13:14:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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T-North ยท 591 points ยท Posted at 13:56:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enabling replicative immortality is indeed one of the hallmarks of cancer, however, replicative immortality is not as simple as "regenerating their telomerase". If what you're suggesting turns out to work it's definitely a step in the right direction, but not a cancer-panacea.
If anyone wants to read more:
http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(11)00127-9
oophaga ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 14:06:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy knows his hallmarks
eburton555 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:28:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy fucks - with cancer biology
number_kruncher ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know their birthday cards have gotten too expensive
MrDeerHunter ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you are raining on a parade here. I don't care how it happens. I just want to be able to say fuck cancer!
T-North ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:23:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very understandable - I really hope to be able to say "fuck cancer for good" one day too. I just want to make sure people understand that it's a really, really difficult process we need to throw a lot of money into; after all it kills around 8.2 mio. a year with over 14 mio. new cases being diagnosed. Add to that the expectation that those numbers will increase by 70% over the next two decades, and we seriously have a problem we need to focus on.
Additionally, the media seems to claim every other day that we're gonna cure cancer tomorrow - putting it like that is simply not fair to the researchers that dedicate their lives to just contribute a tiny bit, nor is it fair towards the people battling cancer right now.
derekzimm ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait why will the number increase by over 70%?
Elsie-pop ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:28:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ageing population I would guess. The longer you live the more likely your cells make a mistake in replication that leads to a tumour
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:33:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ageing population and an always-improving ability to cure /handle pretty much every other known disease
StuffinHarper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:38:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The longer people live and the less people die from other things the more likely people are to get cancer.
Senthe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My guess would be that it wasn't diagnosed so efficiently before.
MrDeerHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate reality when it comes to health. And I never thought about it, the media giving false hope for the cure pits it further back in your mind. I appreciate it.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel better, while there is no "the cure" on the way research into most types of cancers is progressing in leaps and bounds and only getting better results.
MrDeerHunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Much
Nocturnal_submission ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the link man, interesting stuff
T-North ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Happy to help!
Edit:
For an easier read, although slightly dated, check out the original article from the same lab: http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(00)81683-9
ender241 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even then, gene therapy targeting the cancerous cells does not really sound plausible at all. It would mean successfully genetically modifying every single of the cancerous cells, if one is not modified then it's all moot.
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well viruses are known to quickly infect many many cells - you can possibly engineer a virus to go to work for you
Molag_Balls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one of my favorite review papers of all time, it should be the model for everyone else imo. Extremely well thought out. Well written. Superb charts.
I loved reading it in school, and I've actually seen it copied for the hallmarks of aging, which is also an engaging read.
mer135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. As an actual molecular bio student reading all the shit reddit believes about cancer may literally give me cancer
redcoatwright ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be an enormous step in the right direction and would likely bring new and very effective cancer treatments across the board or for most cancers.
The goal though is finding more and better treatments that don't affect QoL too much, that's the holy grail.
Wyvernz ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:28:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telomerase is active in normal stem cells, which are necessary for life.
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:18:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is nowhere near as easy as that
philosoTimmers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:32:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telomerase also protects the ends of RNA during protein synthesis, and are necessary for healthy cells to produce healthy proteins. Targeting it in a way that allows regulation of telomerase length is what would be necessary, as a complete loss of telomerase leads to cell death, which, while wonderful for cancer cells, is less good for normal cells. I'm not sure what pathway could be used to target only the telomerase in cancer cells.
wat_da_ell ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is way too simplistic of a view on cancer. If it was this easy we'd already have better treatments than we have now.
The truth is that every cancer is so different from one another and they all behave differently. We are in the era of personalized cancer therapy and there are very exciting new treatments coming out, but to say that we can just target telomerase complex and cure most cancers is being naive.
Personal_Space_ ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:14:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well fuck, guys, what are we doing? This guy had the answer all along! This, on top of the buzzfeed articles I just read about the illuminati's advances in cancer therapy, for sure we can cure cancer now!
Danimals847 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because /u/Freedmonster maybe oversimplified the explanation of the solution doesn't mean it isn't difficult to get there. I could say that all viruses can be cured by simply destroying the virus cells and I would be right. The problem is "how".
kyma ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:03:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if you look at it in the most reductionist way possible, it's still incorrect. There are are too many mechanisms in place regarding cell proliferation that have to be aberrant for something to be "cancer."
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:45:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is incoherent. Pls stop spreading your ignorance.
-cancer biologist
GAndroid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's askreddit not askscience.
-not a cancer biologist :D
10XRxnBuffer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but the guy /u/sanduszm is responding DID straight up say some nonsense as if he was an authority on the subject. Have to nip it at the bud before we start hearing "gotta just stop regeneration of the telomerase, cancer is so easy" from our uncles at Thanksgiving.
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey my PhD is not on cancer biology (it's in physics) but I have given up hope a long time back on not hearing these sorts of aliens are coming at the dinner table.
Learn to enjoy the folklore, or else you will be angry at everyone all the time.
yosoyellogan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dig that you drop telomerase to make it sound like you know a lot about cancer, but your explanation is just "let's kill this one gene"
Important note: you literally used telomerase wrong. Telomerase is the enzyme that "regenerates" telomeres. If you want to drop some science bombs at least get your facts straight.
Also: gene therapy rarely works. Suggesting that as the miracle cure is like saying "all we have to do to get to Mars is to move really really fast through space"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is far more complicated than that. Sure that's the basic principle, but that's like saying your car broke down because you can't drive it
Sure that's the symptom, but there's dozens (for cancer, thousands) of possible pathways by which the problem could have occurred
wholligan ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. CRISPR can do it. CRISPR could cure so many things.
We just need to figure out those pesky problems of delivering into all cells and unfolding/refolding DNA.
(*If it wasn't obvious, I'm being flippant---those are pretty major obstacles!)
eburton555 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:30:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crispr will have huge impacts on gene editing on embryos and egg cells but it's got a ways to go for using it broadly on adult cells in a functioning body.
wholligan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
AFineDayForScience ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to sell CRISPR and si/shRNA. One of the problems with CRISPR is incomplete knockdown, as well as off target effects. You also have to deal with the fact that even in two people with same type of cancer, the DNA sequence that is mutated can be completely different oncogenes. In regards to differentiating between cancer cells vs normal cells, a vast majority of enzymes are present in both, but just over-expressed in cancer cells. By knocking those down, you could have severe unintended consequences. For example, knocking down telomerase could limit cancer's ability to proliferate infinitely, but there are also other cells in the body, like stem cells, that express telomerase. I think eventually, we'll be able to run an analysis to compare healthy and cancer cell DNA from the same tissue type of the same patient, and target mutated DNA with gene therapy, but we're a ways off both from having the technology to compare such huge amounts of data and having a sufficient understanding of cancer at a genetic level to do that.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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wholligan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:42:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's much easier when you can target a single cell, like a sperm. Hopefully we develop advances in gene targeting in large organisms soon!
slyycooper ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:51:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, it may have varying causes, but the harmful mechanics of the disease itself are very similar (unregulated cell division).
Wyvernz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough, but our oldest chemotherapeutic treatments are those that target unregulated cell division and these tend to have a lot of toxicity to tissues that naturally have a lot of cell division (bone marrow, GI tract, etc).
slyycooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That just means it's rudimentary application, not a bad idea, it's like trying to hammer down 1 nail on a plank with a bull dozer, you're gonna hit down more than the few nails you're aiming for. We just don't have the technology for the hammer yet. Once we have the ability to repair dna though that will be the true fix all for aging, cancer, and many ailments and we likely won't need chemo etc. very much.
venividiavicii ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just an oversimplification it's outright wrong. If you could somehow target TELOMERES (not telomerase), then the tumor would live until senescence, which is probably as long as the rest of your life.
This is absolutely not a valid targeted therapy, immortalization is not that interesting of a phenotype of cancer, it's more of a curious sidenote.
KnifeOrCactus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cells are able to express high amounts of telomerase when they otherwise are not supposed to be able to. I don't really know what your second sentence is saying, but if you're trolling, you certainly got me.
Jaybones73 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must not know what telomerase is
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wyvernz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The nature of competition means that that isn't really a concern - while one company might be making a ton of money treating a certain disease, every other drug company would just love to take their market by developing a cure.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If a pharmaceutical company found cures for multiple types of cancers and patented them they would make an absolute killing... More than what conventional treatments could make
franticscientistO_O ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:36:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I tell everyone this. Curing "cancer" is impossible. It's not just one.
meme-com-poop ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "common" cold is another one of these. Multiple diseases with basically the same symptoms. We also don't have a cure for it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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graebot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:32:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sequence DNA of cancer cell and compare it to normal cell. Manufacture virus to destroy cells with the mutant DNA sequence. Cancer cured.
Jajaninetynine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:43:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are effective treatments for some types. People do get cured all the time, so there is hope that we'll be able to find more treatments. I donate to research, I think this is one of the best things we can do. Encourage the researchers. They often feel bullied by people who claim chemo is a scam. They have a hard time navigating research admin issues etc.
ZergAreGMO ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is what is the least emphasized about cancer to the general public. Looking for "a cure for cancer" is like looking for "a cure for infectious disease". Even cancers of the exact same cell type--and there can be cancer of every single cell in your body--can be very different with entirely different responses to treatment.
So, no, Big Pharma doesn't keep down the 'cure for cancer' because one simply doesn't exist in such a form. There are some cures to some types of cancer, but it can evolve and become resistant like any bacteria or virus.
esoteric_enigma ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:52:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if we couldn't cure it all, it'd be great to have it be a condition you can live with for many years, like AIDS.
babyblanka ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is very much happening already. When you look at clinical trials, there's a reason why breast cancer studies, or prostate cancer studies no longer follow patients "until death". It's because they live so long, there aren't enough resources to follow them until death, so they follow for 5 years instead. With early detection (a huge problem itself), people can and do live for many years with certain types of cancers.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like MEN-1 which I have.
naturemage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard an NPR interview with a group of scientists who were trying to do exactly that. If I recall correctly, they focused on the underlying genes associated with the cancers and were developing treatments based on that, rather than the cancer itself.
ROGER_CHOCS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeh, but there is hope. Guy who is in charge of the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance (they are top notch) believes we will have most cured within 10 years. At least the very big ones.
Fuck cancer.
Fubar2287 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Research some GCMAF, then tell me that there isn't one miracle cure.
troyboltonislife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:13:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I see this all the time and can someone explain it to me? I get that there are a bunch of different types of cancer but like isn't cancer a disease when your cells start "malfunctioning" so to speak and isn't this the same malfunction no matter where it is in the body so can't we find a cure to that and we'd have a cure to cancer (simplifying greatly).
I don't know jack shit about cancer though. I always thought it was when your cells start reproducing out of control and I always thought if we figured out how to stop cells from doing that we could apply it anywhere in the body.
greymalken ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:36:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant XKCD
moralesnery ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:10:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cancer is what marks us as creatures of biology; it is a consequence of the imperfect system of evolutionary happenstance that brought us about. It is part of the messiness of life and a manifestation of our own mortality.
HowitzerIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind having the power to control our genetic futures.
Barring that, I'd settle for restricting genetic mutation to just our gamete production. Then we'd still keep genetic variation and evolution in the population, while preventing temporal genetic mutation, which results in cancer.
Edit: By temporal genetic mutation, I mean mutation in our non-reproductive cells during our lifetime. It's not like these mutations can result in useful abilities aiding in natural selection.
Xenjael ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And it's incredibly critical to evolution.
I suspect if we ever have a method to directly combine unrelated DNA functionally, it will be because we better understand how cancer and the diseases composing it function.
And if we ever achieve immortality and break the Hayflick limit, I'll bet my tits it's because we figured out how to cause cancer and control it at the same time.
Because if you had infinitely regenerating cells... that's cancer. But control it, manage it properly, perhaps it could actually end up being a gift rather than a curse.
I just hate I've lost and will have to lose so much family to it before that happens, and perhaps even my own life.
I know a guy out here at Tel Aviv who is working on cancer research and contracted it a few years ago. He gives himself all sorts of experimental stuff, giving it to mice and observing a few days before administering it to himself. He's not dead yet. But then you have my aunt who held onto life for 9 years of stage 4, and only then died when she requested her husband euthanize her.
So who knows.
bontrose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we did pretty good with pox.
I mean chickenpox is pretty rare nowadays.
Smallpox is dead, we killed it.
Cowpox is super rare now.
Monkeypox is nigh unheard of away from jungles.
ghpkhg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually we will just be able to detect it so early that it wonโt be too much of a problem. If we just wore a Fitbit that would test blood, and our toilet could test our poop, weโd have a huge advantage
theFunkiestButtLovin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a class of diseases.
Just because this is Reddit.
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Askreddit. If you want serious answers you need to see askscience
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If researchers can find a way to manually activate p53 and target cancer cells, it will fix all malignant growths. In theory.
Donnarhahn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR has the potetial to be a magical cure all from what i hear. It can be customized to each persons individual disease. Give it a mugshot of the cancer and micro assasins hunt down cancerous cells and cut them to pieces. Already in trials. And not just cancer. We are testing it on STDs even.
thepensivepoet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:12:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't "cure" cancer any more than you can "cure" broken arms.
Improved treatments and better prognoses, sure, but I'm skeptical on our ability to prevent DNA from going into crazy repro mode.
Kuro_Okami ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:55:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, saying "I want to cure cancer," is like saying "I want to cure virus."
NATESOR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My brother works at St. Judes in pre-clinical research, and he explained to me essentially what you're saying. There will likely never be a day we can point to where we can say cancer was "cured!" But given the staggering amount of technology and intelligent people they have working on it, the survival rates will continue to improve and one day (maybe decades from now, but hopefully sooner) dying from cancer will not be a serious concern.
graebot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well with CRISPR there's a chance. Cancer is mutated cells. If you sequence the DNA from a cancer cell, and compare it to the sequence of a healthy cell, you'll be able to see what the mutation was, and instruct CRISPR to seek and destroy cells with the mutated gene. We really could be just around the corner for curing most cancers.
Demonweed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:38:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I'm a mutant predisposed to certain forms of cancer, and each of my kidneys has already endured the removal of one clear cell carcinoma. I'm right on the cusp of benefiting from all sorts of technologies, from gene therapy to fix my tumor suppressor deficiency to kidneys made in a laboratory. I've already experienced cryoablation, a relatively new technology that was useful for eradicating one cancer when my failing heart made me unfit for general anesthesia; and the DaVinci surgical robot, which neatly removed the second cancer while sparing as much of my healthy kidney as possible.
Since my heart is now well in recovery, I have a shot at far greater longevity than my stats indicated several years ago. On the other hand, my kidneys, lungs, and skin are likely to get very bumpy as I continue to age. Even gene therapy wouldn't truly be a "cure" for me, but many technologies contribute to a decent prognosis presently, and it could improve if more of these "5-10 years away" avenues of research and development hit the market while I'm still around to partake.
GaySwans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even a disease, it's your own body. That's why it's hard to figure out. How do you only kill specific parts of a person?
Damarkus13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless we can develope some sort of nanotech that can prevent genetic mutations.
Some distant relative of CRISPR that compares the DNA of three different cells and repairs/culls any abnormal cells.
Yes, I am aware this is still firmly in the realm of science-fiction, but one can dream.
hyperblaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:43:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, and I see this comment every time in response to cure cancer.
But surprisingly, it might be possible to make us more resistant to cancer. We already see other animals with this ability. Massive animals like whales and elephants do not cancer at higher rates. Others can thrive in nuclear and toxic waste. We have some insight into the DNA protection and repair techniques these use and some day we might steal a few for ourselves.
xthorgoldx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What always saddens me about people gushing about a "cure for cancer" is the widespread ignorance, propagated by cultural laziness and pharmaceutical brainwashing, that cancer is a disease that is cured, when the growing body of medical information demonstrates that it's more of a disease to be prevented. And not in the "Don't smoke, don't breathe asbestos, don't sit on radioactive barrels" prevention, but more like habitual, lifestyle-driven health.
Eat healthy, exercise, and don't pump your body full of crap, and - surprise - your odds of getting cancer plummet. There's no miracle food, no miracle pill, no miracle technology - it's basic, luxury-inconvenient lifestyle choices. And nobody wants to face facts because it'd mean admitting that the luxuries we enjoy and in many ways are addicted to are what's causing the disease we fear, as opposed to cancer just being a nebulously tragic happenstance.
It's easier to believe cancer is just something that "happens" that should be cured instead of something that we actively cause that would require us to change our habits.
Xedien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:52:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is exactly what people tend to forget, when they talk about "Finding a cure for cancer".
It is not just about finding one cure, we are getting better and better at early detection and treatment. And i do sincerely hope that we continue this trend, and that one day, we wont loose as many people close to us to cancer.
tocamix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd settling for being able to stop and prevent the most aggressive and deadly forms. Or hell, treatment options that don't involve chemo.
DrDisastor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gene therapy hopes to be exactly that.
The hope is to be able to turn white blood cells into the agent of cancer's demise using custom treatment for every case. There are obvious challenges for this approach but this looks like the most promising "cancer cure" on the horizon. Bonus is it might cure a LOT of diseases.
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Car-t therapy?
brickmack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They do all have a defining trait though, genetic damage. If we had a means of scanning every individual cell in the body and comparing it to a known good genome for that person (including the epigenome), and then kill the ones that have abnormalities, we could cure all forms of cancer with a single process. But this is a while off
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was working as an intern at a NCI facility and there are posters all over the place about how many paths and twists cancer can take. Enough to make your head hurt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Short of programmable nanobots, I think you are right. ha
qsmrf56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But atleast finding out WHAT causes cancer or atleast some of the causes of cancer being discovered would make life easier.
NeelOrNoDeal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally someone says this. Im tired of people throwing around the term "cure for cancer" as if its this one simple procedure, hell some people think the government is hiding it from us, which is even more delusional.
troyboltonislife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you explain this to me? Isn't cancer the same malfunction in the cells no matter where it is in the body? So if we found a way to cure this malfunction(obviously without killing normal cells) then can't we cure all cancers. Where am I going wrong?
NeelOrNoDeal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here is the simplest way I can explain it: cancer is caused by mutations in genes, just turns out that each and every human is genetically different. So you may see clinical trials where people may have the same cancer (let's say skin cancer) and everyone is given the same medication with the same dosage but it only ends up working on a fraction of those patients.
P_John2537 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I say this all the time.
demalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer is us. It's our cells that have mutated into something else. Our immune system on it's own is usually able to remove the cancer cells, but there is always some kind of give and take from that. Boosted immune systems cause immune disorders or increases in other diseases or organ issues. But hopefully cancer treatments will be as simple as a well check up in the future - something that as long as it's treated in a reasonable time will be fully recoverable. I say this because even though we're able to effectively treat many infections these still need to be caught within a reasonable time period before they get out of control.
ArseholeryEnthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanotechnology might be able to sort out cancer in a more mechanical way so it could have potential as cure all for a bunch of cancers. I have no idea how feasible that is though.
pennylane8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
more people need to realize this, my mother claims the big pharma has a cure for cancer for sure despite me explaining to her that not all neoplasms are cancer and there can be different types of cancer in the same tissue
ElixirX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super late to this thread but I just wanted to give you an article published just months ago that argued the opposite.
GF is in their nursing program and went to a seminar/lecture he did on the topic. He has resources to find the single cure to cancer that no living human has ever had and he's already made headway (the article goes into this, somewhat).
I expect it to break nationally very, very soon. The things I heard from that lecture secondhand were really inspriring as far as the cure goes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean I think of it is a single disease at its most simplistic level (cells regenerating in a uncontrolled fashion). However I agree 100% its not possible to correct via a single method. Lung Cancer and Lymphoma are the same thing (crazy cell regeneration) that have wildly different affects.
I find cancer fascinating. Even if we somehow figured out how to cure all the bacterial infections and viruses, we'd all eventually die of cancer anyway. Its an inevitability on a long enough timeline.
RobertThorn2022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct, but they just invented a way to block cancer from spreading which could be a huge step forward against cancer if they can adapt it to the therapy.
PM_me_goat_gifs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple years ago, a new version of the HPV vaccine came out that protects against more versions of the virus.
JasonTodd616 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Emperor of All Maladies
UnknownQTY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Motherfucking nanobots.
minidab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer is the inability for cell death to properly occur, resulting in a mass of dysfunctional cells. So, I'm agreeing with you 100%. However, the solution is to let cells properly die. Lots of theories on how to do that and probably lots of different ways on how to do it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you can kill cells with fire. Unfortunately it sometimes also kills the host of the cells.
minidab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aka radiation
TheMexicanJuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it basically cells going berserk and multiplying indefinitely ?
ptword ยท 507 points ยท Posted at 11:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might be possible within less than 10 years. Matter of ensuring the safety and regulating gene therapy. Some types of cancer are already curable by this method. The therapeutic benefits of this method will likely overcome ethical concerns.
EDIT: According to actual experts who have replied to my comment, 10 years might be too optimistic.
Kijafa ยท 371 points ยท Posted at 12:28:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The stuff scientists are saying they might be able to do using CRISPR is really incredible. Cancer could be a thing of the past in our lifetime.
Seibebetsu ยท 408 points ยท Posted at 12:31:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It feels ironic to talk about our lifetime and cancer in the same sentence. I could be diagnosed with a few months left to live tomorrow and not have a clue today :(
PlaguedOmikron ยท 961 points ยท Posted at 13:05:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
can't get diagnosed if you don't visit the doctor #lifehacks
[deleted] ยท 298 points ยท Posted at 13:19:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ShizleMaNizle ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaaand subscribe
Fickle_Pickle_Nick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/2me4meirl
sarcazm ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 14:04:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My boss died last week from brain tumor(s). His only symptom showed up approximately a month before his diagnosis. His eye hurt. He went to his eye doctor. They found a calcium deposit and removed it. Then prescribed him eye drops. His eye continued to hurt. We went on a business trip together. He said he would see the eye doctor again when he got back.
When we got back, he had been suffering a headache plus the eye pain. His wife eventually took him to the ER because the pain was so great. Diagnosis: bleeding/swelling in the brain due to a brain tumor. Emergency surgery. Never woke up.
In the end, he had had at least 12 brain tumors which had metastasized from melanoma. He was only 51 years old. We go to his memorial service tomorrow.
It's so scary to think that you could literally have cancer right now and show zero symptoms.
AMerrickanGirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He never noticed the melanoma?
sarcazm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess not. None of us (neither coworkers nor his family) even knew something was wrong until less than a week before his death. He never said anything about his skin. And apparently, he was careful outdoors because his dad died of melanoma. So, I would think that if something looked weird on his skin, he would've known.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it something where he could've been at higher risk due to genetics? That fucking sucks in any case, father and son... please don't tell me his mom lived to see her husband and son die of the same cancer.
sarcazm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. His mom is alive. I think genetics does play a factor.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that poor woman :(
WoT_Slave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't the melanoma have been a visible symptom? That sucker works fast though
sarcazm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would think so, but my boss never said anything about seeing stuff physically. His dad also had melanoma, so I would think he would recognize the symptoms if he had them. Once he was in the ER, his daughter kept an online journal of what was going on.
FlutestrapPhil ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:14:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This right here. Fucking doctors. I wasn't even going to get checked for cancer. Just wanted a refill on my ADHD rx before winter break ended during my sophomore year in college. Doctor found a slightly enlarged lymph node on the side of my neck, then less than a month later BAM stage IV lymphoma all over the place. Had to take a semester off and everything and now I don't have cancer anymore but my back hurts all the time and I have to see more doctors.
0/10 would not recommend
scobey ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:22:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yes doctor saved your life
PlaguedOmikron ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn, I'm sorry to hear that. Glad you made somewhat of a recovery though :) stuff like this makes me kinda paranoid tbh...
Tatorbits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah similar story here. Went to get a cough checked out. Had Hodgkin's lymphoma. Grateful they found it before it spread to other organs though
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when I've gone in over a cough I get sent back with antibiotics. How did your checkup lead to a cancer diagnosis?
Tatorbits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It took a while.. saw the campus doctor at my uni about 4 times when my cough wouldn't go away. I would get such large coughing fits that it'd cause me to vomit. Campus doc put me on what must have been every puffer known to man along with an assortment of antibiotics. Nothing worked. I eventually went home for the holidays and saw my parents' doctor. This doc ordered bloodwork searching for everything from HIV to cancer. The bloodwork showed irregular blood cell counts (I don't fully understand what was irregular about them). Eventually this lead to An ultrasound that revealed swollen lymph nodes in my stomach. Then a CAT scan revealed all sorts of swollen nodes all over my upper body, but none near the skin surface yet. Turns out it started in my stomach and spread to my chest. The nodes in my chest would put pressure on my airway and cause my cough. I had also lost a lot of weight and I was fatigued all the time. So while coughing was my main symptom, it wasn't my only one. I just didn't think about my other symptoms until my parents doctor asked me about them.
SuchCoolBrandon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:17:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Your teeth were fine until that dentist said you had a bunch of cavities." โJack Handey
epwnym ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
f(เฒ โฟโผ)z
aklesevhsoj ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol that was my first thought when I was diagnosed with cancer. It's funny how we think that's a logical thing. Fucking Schrodinger
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what were your symptoms?
aklesevhsoj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heaviness in the groin. Thought I had a hernia. Went and got an ultrasound done and they saw the lesions.
Datnero362 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember when you could just get sick and die?
PlaguedOmikron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah what's up with that?
billclintonsbunghole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:25:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why my 63 year old father refuses to go to any doctor's appointment.
McBoogerbowls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doctors find you you have cancer, throw the results away, "What he doesn't know, won't kill him"
Pornthrowaway78 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't had a filling in 20 years with this philosophy.
PlaguedOmikron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me too sadly
WillBBC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't upvote this enough. My mom didn't see a doctor until it was way too late. It probably wouldn't have saved her life, but could have extended her life by a significant margin had she been diagnosed earlier. Cancer is awful. Get screened if you are able!
NationalDiarrhea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't be cured too
CQReborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this the new Healthcare Plan I've been hearing about?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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laconicflow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:25:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the scary part. I read some reddit thread a while ago about how people found out, and its like, "well, my elbow hurt, so I went to the Doctor and was told I had seventeen tumors in my brain!"
SlimDirtyDizzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While true there are USUALLY symptoms of that stuff. Headaches, weight loss, feeling feint/lightheaded, pain in the inflicted area.
Yes there are cases that have no symptoms, but more often than not they do
Eddie_Hitler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:21:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happened to my brother's friend's mother. She was admitted to hospital basically feeling "unwell", was diagnosed, dead a week later. No previous symptoms.
timberstomach1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:04:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best of luck tommorrow
michaelsamcarr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:09:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad was as fit as a fiddle 7 months before passing from Sarcoma.
wr0ng1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can also be hit by a car of suffer a brain aneurism at a moment's notice. The healthiest person on earth could be closer to death than stage 4 cancer patient. Live every moment like it's your last.
wr0ng1 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR is being vastly over-estimated in terms of its therapeutic potential. More and more studies are showing that the frequency of off-target effects greatly outweigh the ease of gene editing in a therapeutic context. Not to mention that you are mostly limited to gene KO / knock-down in the form of introducing random insertions and deletions via non-homologous end joining repair, as insertion of transgenes is incredibly technically challenging.
The main benefits of CRISPR are the relatively low cost and technical simplicity of generating knock-outs - which is great if you want to generate cheap research models or a large panel of pathway KOs. Simplified nuclease gene-editing has a long way to go (and yes, I am aware that mutant Cas9 nickases have addressed a lot of the off-target issue, but not to the extent that I'd want it anywhere near my basal cell layer thanks very much).
Source: I work in genetic engineering
mylittlesyn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:28:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can second this
Source: worked in a lab using this just as it was released.
darrrrrren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which studies are showing off target effects? The only one of note is under extreme scrutiny as they didn't rule out congenital differences as a possible reason.
wr0ng1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll assume you are referring to this letter in Nature Methods: https://www.nature.com/articles/nmeth.4293.epdf
Could you provide examples of the extreme scrutiny? Main thing I'm finding is 2 biotech companies whose share prices dipped after the paper was published.
For general studies, just do a google scholar search for "crispr off target" and read to your heart's content.
Add to this that I work with it all of the time alongside other methods, so I get to see its success rate on a sustained basis. Part of the problem is that you can't really detect the off-target indels easily without something laborious like a whole genome sequence or at least scanning the top x% of similar sequences to the sgRNA binding site near to a PAM. Etc etc (I admit my knowledge gets a little hazy on the specifics - I'm an immunologist by training). In my job, we get round the possibility of hidden / subtle off-target induced phenotypes by producing 3 independent lines, but for therapeutic applications, you can't really use redundancy as a safeguard in the same way.
I'm not saying CRISPR isn't amazing - it patently is and has revolutionised gene editing by making it more accessible. However, its being touted as the obvious panacea for the future of humanity is, for me, disproportionate to its current or projected utility.
As with any lovely idea, I would love to be proven incorrect.
darrrrrren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that's the article I was referring to.
The journal has added two editorial notes to it and are requiring the authors prove that the differences are not due to strain.
http://retractionwatch.com/2017/07/26/controversial-crispr-paper-earns-second-editorial-note/
I'll admit I have a personal interest in seeing CRISPR utilized for in-vivo single gene editing some day. However, I haven't seen a recent study other than the one mentioned in my daily Google scholar alerts.
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can understand wanting gene editing to become more sophisticated but does it matter whether it's CRISPR or something else?
darrrrrren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, in fact, the biotechnology I'm most interested in will likely be available a lot sooner than gene editing.
Nonsense suppression therapy, namely.
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting - hadn't heard of that before. Thanks for the info. Guess it has a more specific scope than gene editing though.
darrrrrren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes - what's nice is that the scope is still fairly broad. It's estimated 10-30% of all genetic diseases worldwide are caused by nonsense mutations. If a compound could be developed that causes strong read through, the implications are massive.
Of course this is nice to discuss in theory. Even the best drug candidate to date (Ataluren) has extremely mediocre results in phase 3 trials for DMD and CF.
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, the number of compounds in phase III vs the number selected by in silico screening is a huge ratio.
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't mind saving me a little googling - how does it function?
How does it bypass a nonsense mutation to give a fucntional protein? How specific is it? How is it delivered?
darrrrrren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a biologist so I won't do a great job explaining. Essentially there are two ways to achieve nonsense suppression. One is to mutate the anticodon to recognize PTCs. The second, more widely used method is to mess with the ribosome so that it is likely to just ignore PTCs altogether. Delivery would be the same as any other drug, which means that the same delivery issues exist for full body conditions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsense_suppressor
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the time - I'll probably read up as it sounds interesting and might be something I can use at some stage for designing experiments to assess nonsense-mediated disease models.
darrrrrren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really is an interesting field. The NF1 research team at UAB have developed a floxed mouse model that causes death within two weeks after knockout of the wild-type NF gene. The other allele is a nonsense NF gene. This allows them to easily test new candidate readthrough drugs as gene expression is quite obvious (the mouse survives).
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's quite a crude readout - I'd hope they go into more depth afterwards. Thanks for the info.
GuinnessMicrodose ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a cancer lab that uses CRISPR and people are putting way too many expectations on CRISPR. It's an incredible tool but there is no way it is going to "cure cancer" within 10 years. Even if a cure started clinical trials today, trials could be 10 years. But more importantly "cancer" is really 100s if thousands of diseases. There are imprivements and breakthroughs, but I have never met a cancer bioligist who thinks cancer will be a thing of the past in our lifetimes.
l1ner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPS is one thing. But how about other methods. Like immunotherapy. Couldn't this be an effective treatment in the next 1015 years?
Geler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be possible in 1020 years but there is no way this will work in 1015 years.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but we will all be dead in 1000 years :(
Romanticon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immunotherapy is a good first step (and as the gene-edited cells are being modified outside the patient's body, it helps avoid some nasty off-target effects), but we'll still run into problems with failing to identify molecular targets on the cells of some cancers.
It will work a lot better than old-school therapies (namely radiation/chemo), but it won't be the magic bullet for all cancer types.
GuinnessMicrodose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Effective, sure, and gradual progress us being made all the time. But still no one thing is going to just suddenly cure all cancers because cancer is not one monolithic thing.
There are many, many ways people study cancer and all of the ways may contribute a little piece to the puzzle.
pigeonlizard ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:48:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR might genuinely turn out to be amazing within the next 10 years, but whenever scientists get hyped up and say within the next 10 years we'll be able to do these amazing things, I get very cautious about jumping onto the hype train. In a similar vein, graphene was by now supposed to be omnipresent and we were promised stuff like super batteries and incredibly strong light-weight material, yet the progress towards the original hype has been much slower than anticipated.
TXDRMST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great, Now I'm hungry for Crispers.
The__Raccoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pardonme23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a bio person I disagree. Many types of cancer are completely different from each other. It's not simple at all.
Xervicx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But with that, so could the entire medical industry. The industry itself is already full of made up prices that go far beyond any point of reason. So cancer will be a thing of the past at a ridiculous premium, or we'll be hit hard in other ways since those with the money and power will want to keep that money and power.
j4_jjjj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR is highly debated right now though. I love the idea, but my wife worries about gene selection being overused during childbirth. Easy to slip into a "perfect" world like Hitler envisioned with that kind of technology. I think regulation will be fine, and we can see some massive leaps with CRISPR.
Kijafa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Gattaca.
bucki_fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do not let her watch Gattaca - a 20 year old movie that deals with this exact issue as the central plot point.
Awesome movie though.
j4_jjjj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've both seen GATTACA, and yes that's exactly the kind of thing she worries about.
factorV ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I should have been ordered with a bigger dick....
Matt0753 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only issue with what went down in that movie in my opinion, is how they treated natural born people and less successful genetic births. Just keep genetic history private from employers and hire based on merit.
It would be cruel to have a solution for basically every genetic condition and not allow access to everyone.
Romanticon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it helps, most of the "traits" that pop science journalists imagine targeting with gene therapy aren't really there.
There's no "smart" gene - or rather, there are many genes, each correlated super weakly with tiny changes in intelligence. Hell, even height is spread across dozens of loci, and their interactions aren't yet well understood.
We're still working on the ability to make changes to a cell's genetic code - but that doesn't mean that we have any idea what to target (aside from rare variants of genes that cause known diseases).
Victor4X ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:09:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We really need to embrace crispr instead of just outright banning it
All_Over ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:09:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
same with autism
PinkyBlinky ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:21:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My uncle can do amazing stuff using a CRISPER too. Our BBQs are amazing.
PennyLisa ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hmm... dunno. CRISPR is going to cause cancers too. Yes I know it's a powerful tool, and is very good at finding the right spot, but not perfect.
Romanticon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously, there's going to be a lot of testing before we start chopping up human genetic material willy-nilly in individuals.
This is where things like immunotherapy come in, where the cells are modified outside of the human body, so that they can be aborted if there are off-target effects.
PennyLisa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:03:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get me wrong here, I for one welcome our new genetically modified overlords. To not use the technology would be throwing away a lot of potential.
I just don't think CRISPR will be some cookie-cutter cure for cancer is all, it isn't going to be perfect, and in fact any germ-line editing technique will generate errors. This is pretty self evident in that species replicate by sexual reproduction in the first place - it's all about cutting down on the harmful mutations induced by our own cellular machinery.
If there was a biologically perfect method, biology would be quite different.
BurnedOut_ITGuy ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 12:48:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's not just one kind of cancer though. There's not even just one kind of bone cancer just to pick one at random. If scientists somehow figure out how to cure one kind of bone cancer it doesn't mean they'll know how to cure all cancer or even other kinds of bone cancer.
cyrashan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:15:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
boneitis is the correct medical term
-fno-stack-protector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:05:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ow oof ouch
TheMechanicalSloth ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:01:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gene therapy is good because it doesn't descriminate on types of cancer
krazykitty29 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:28:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. It does discriminate based on the gene that defective/mutated. In many cancers as well as on an individual level we don't yet know what specific gene (or genes) is the problem.
oophaga ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't discriminate because you can create a custom guide for the molecule to work for any gene. It's just a matter of understanding what genes to target. That understanding will develop over time with the rapid advancements in sequencing technology and increased availability of cancer genomic data
oophaga ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:11:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted for this - I do this for a living ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
cytranic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:52:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to Reddit.
krazykitty29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that you must know the gene responsible for the illness, and so as a result at present ( understanding future research will create more targets) , the technology's therapeutic benefit does discriminate based on the diseases with a known target gene.
oophaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well technically there are usually multiple driver events and there's no single specific gene that is responsible for each cancer... but yes you are correct that you cannot just edit 1 of the 20,000 genes in a person's genome and expect it to work for a disease. You will have to target the correct somatic mutations that gave rise to tumorigenesis in the first place. I still don't think you should be so quick to downplay the promise gene therapy has in the field. Comparing CRISPR and other gene editing technologies to currently available treatment options like small molecule inhibitors is like comparing a Phillips head screwdriver to an 8mm security torx bit. It has such a wide range of applications and it's already being utilized daily in the lab setting for creating valuable in vitro models for perturbation experiments. It's only a matter of time before clinical trials begin to show promise and the therapeutic potential really begins to shine.
krazykitty29 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:34:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally agree that there is incredible promise in CRISPR- only feel it's a bit premature to think it's a matter of time before cancer as a whole is curable.
bigsmoke20 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:33:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would gene therapy work on "born" people ? Don't know why I thought that it can only be used on embryos .
TheMechanicalSloth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes gene therapy can effect the DNA of people who have been born.
Natanael_L ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more disruptive to adults, but yes. Larger changes can have the same effect as incompatible organ transplants, or disrupt chemical balances, and more. Small localized changes are more likely to be successful, as well as changes that are limited to internal cell behavior (but still no guarantees).
If you know computer science, it's like hotpatching the OS kernel. Very risky!
cye604 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:26:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the Martin Luther King of cancer!
stevrock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:21:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kind of like bacterial infections. One type of penicillin was discovered, then another, then another, then more type of antibiotics. It's reasonable to think this kind of thing would happen with cancer treatments as well.
ksmileyjk101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish they could do this right now....I just found out my dog has bone cancer. (I know, I know, a dog vs. The many people who are also suffering. It's devastating all around). But id be on board with maybe some experimental cancer treatments for our pets, that can be also/later used for people. I know his time is running out, but if there would be a chance of him getting better, or possibly helping advance any research, it would be highly Considered. (And I say considered, because my dog, is 12 and the stage he is in, treatment, I think would be too much stress on him. If he were younger, and the cancer wasn't as aggressive from progression, then, if available, we'd do it.)
Sorry, I totally rambled there for a while!! But you're right! There are so many different types, that if we were to find a cure for one, it may not work for another. How do you counter something in the brain, with something meant for bone? And if you can cure the cancer, what about the other damage to the body, that it may have influenced, or weakened?
Cancer sucks.
BurnedOut_ITGuy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is cancer in animals is different than cancer in humans. I lost a dog to cancer a few years back. It sucks. It really does. I miss that hound.
ksmileyjk101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh, see, I didnt know that. It makes total sense, but it didnt even cross my mind.
I'm sorry about your dog friend. They really do become such a big part of our lives. โคโค
_Guinness ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right but we could still come up with someone that constantly polices the body for cancer and I eradicates it on sight. That would be a "cure". Whether it be a nano robot or some kind or training our immune system. It's still a global cure for cancer.
exikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is simply not possible.
mylittlesyn ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm someone who works in the field and this is EXTREMELY wishful thinking.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen so many people around me die from cancer over the years that I kind of just doubt we will make any meaningful progress towards extending survival rates in our life time. It might be confirmation bias but it seems like doctors are just as shit at diagnosing it and that we're using the same old shitty chemo and radiation that we were 10 years ago. It feels like we're spinning wheels without any progress and that's almost more depressing to me than the cancer itself.
DeepSeaDweller ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:47:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Survival rates have already improved by leaps and bounds in our lifetimes (I'm in my 20s). Many cancer diagnoses that were almost death sentences now have non-trivial 5-year survival rates. While that may sound like a mouthful of words sugar-coating marginal improvement, these are significant advances.
Also, there are a ton of new drugs being developed to hopefully replace conventional chemotherapy. At this point the issue is adequately evaluating all of them and finding the most efficacious combinations with limited resources (patients being among these).
mylittlesyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:22:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Survival rates have improved and will continue to improve.
The reason it seems we are just as shitty at diagnosing is because our current imaging technology will only detect a tumor if it's 1 cubic inch (or 1 gram I can't remember). By then the cancer can be pretty bad depending on the type (like pancreatic cancer).
The main key is early diagnosis.
But treatments are improving, and I do believe that significant progress towards a cure will be made within our lifetime.
Die4MyTiggers ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:57:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in regenerative medicine and the things that are possible blow my mind but I'm not so sure about a decade. It's important to remember cancer is a family of hundreds of diseases. Gene therapy, even if it is up and running full throttle, is not a catch all cure. There are also a lot of struggles with gene therapy as well. CRISPR, while it's something I believe in enough to dedicate a lot of my time to, could end up having some nasty side effects although I hope that's not the case.
Previous gene therapies were risky because they could increase mutations and cause additional diseases down the road. There are reports of CRISPR causing hundreds if not thousands of unintentional mutations which is slowing its launch into clinical use. Some CAR-T cell treatments have even been lethal or given the recipient an additional lymphoma. It will be a while before we work out the kinks and this will have to happen for each individual treatment (and this is just what can be treated genetically)
Some things may become a routine cure in the next decade but the fight is far from over and it will take a LONG time before we have all of them completely figured out. Heck just research pipelines and getting through the FDA can take just one type of treatment a decade to get off the ground.
You are right about how promising the tech is though. Mostly saying this because donations to the field of regenerative medicine (and investments if you want to have some fun) are still greatly needed!
aliveandwellthanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in immunotherapy and the progress that's being made is quite amazing. I think being optimistic is allowed.
Gaghet ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:36:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe in 10 years. 50 years - probably, 10 - not.
spursiolo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:46:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't want to rain on your parade, but "curing cancer" is not something that will happen in the next 10 years, and I would guess even in 100 years. Gene therapy only applies to a very select few diseases.
Cancer is a very general word, it just means a process whereby there is unregulated cell growth. Different types of cancer are treated very differently, because the underlying cause of the unregulated cell growth is very different.
Prostate cancer is something you can live with for 30 years (depending on certain characteristics) while muscle invasive bladder cancer is nearly universally fatal within 5 years without treatment.
Having said that, in the next ten years I am sure that advances will come whereby certain types of cancer become much more manageable and we have much better prognoses for those patients.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We all walk around with 2 billion transistors in our pockets on our cell phones but we still cant detect cancer until it's too late. I really want ANNs and genetic algorithms to play a bigger part in diagnosing and building treatment plans for cancer. Family doctors are just people who can make mistakes but some day everyone's private IBM watson wont.
spursiolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the concept of genetic testing leading to more individualized cancer treatments is already here in some diseases (e.g. Prostate cancer) and is advancing in others. My limited knowledge is in urology but these techniques are being used in other fields too. Pertaining to my comment to which you replied, cancer isnt one entity - some cancers we have gotten pretty good at identifying early, through screening and so on. But you're right, the path to medical perfection is going to be a long one. I do however think that right now we're at the bottom of an exponentially increasing curve of improvement in our ability to diagnose and treat not just cancer but many diseases.
En_lighten ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is that "cancer" is kind of like the word "pain", or the word "color" - blue and red are both colors but they are quite different.
"Cancer" basically just means that cells divide abnormally and in an unregulated way, but there are many different types of cells that can divide in many different types of ways for many different types of reasons. So it's not really a single diagnosis but rather a broad category of distinct diagnoses.
Some cancers can be treated fairly well with medications and therapies, others not so much. In order to make progress on treating them, in general, it must be done individually - that is, you can make progress on treating prostate cancer (of which there are subtypes), or breast cancer (of which there are subtypes), etc.
"Curing cancer" in 10 years I think is basically ludicrous. I think you would basically need to have full control over all gene expression in every type of cell.
Source: am doctor, did skool.
mylittlesyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:33:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And we still don't even fully understand all of the extents to which genes can be regulated. I mean, just the other day there was a paper about how some ribosomes might be more likely to translate specific proteins...
The MANY layers of gene regulation blows my mind. I fucking love genetics.
rebelolemiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccines might be another method as well, and they already work for some cancers.
To your other point: 10 years is likely too soon, sadly. My mother was on an experimental treatment for very aggressive triple negative breast cancer. This type of cancer has something like a 10% 5-year survivability rate. It's been almost 9 years. The drug, however, is caught up in FDA regulatory hell. That's what will keep many people from living with/surviving cancer.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
damn, I hope your mom kicks cancers ass so hard that she outlives even you!!
rebelolemiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha! Well she's 65 and I'm 30...so I hope I outlive her, but thanks for the sentiment!
fifibuci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about optimism; cancer will likely never be "cured". It's a general condition with many types and causes, and a state that our bodies can enter that is inherent to how we function.
lordliv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few months ago, I got a vaccination for HPV, which often leads to cervical cancer. I think that's neat as hell. It's not a cure, but it's now something that's a bit less likely for me.
japasthebass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know nothing about medicine, but isn't cancer simply bad cells reproducing uncontrollably? If there's a way to stop that reproduction firmly, could that kind of be a "cure for cancer?" I genuinely know nothing about this so forgive me if i am being really naive
PyroDesu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:23:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real problem is targeting. How do you differentiate between normal cells and cancerous ones, and only kill the latter?
We've found some techniques, and some therapies just plain don't care (radiation and chemotherapy kill relatively indiscriminately - they just affect fast-reproducing cells faster, so they tend to kill the cancer before they kill the patient). But it's not easy, because so many different errors can cause a cell to become cancerous and almost all of them would show different target characteristics. A mutation here creates a cancer cell with x protein we can reliably target, but a mutation there doesn't, or creates one with y protein, or creates one with normal protein z but in slightly different levels, which screws up targeting because normal cells have it too.
japasthebass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So its unpredictability is the real problem here?
perfekt_disguize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in clinical research specifically pharmaceuticals. We won't see a cure for ALL cancers in 25 years. Some cancers are much more easily "cured".
Expect breast cancer to never kill as well as the white cell cancers.
punkrockscience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10 years? Ahahahahahahhahahah * sobbing * -actual scientist
arabidopsis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:33:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up CAR-T therapy, especially what Novartis, Juno and KITE are all doing.
Leukaemia is almost cured.. well, it is for r/ALL (adolescent lymphoblastic leukaemia)
gingerlovingcat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:12:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALL stands for acute lymphoblastic leukemia and it's not cured. We've just developed more effective treatments that result in remission more often than before.
dont_forget_canada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:50:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My high school friend just died from it. He was 22.
blueballsok ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude redditors are a bunch of pessimistic nitpickers who think we are all going to die in 100 years. I don't much stock in anything people say on here.
friend_jp ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:35:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn I'm sorry. Have you been screened, I'm just saying , three family members...
lsaz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:07:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. Going to mars is cool and all, but I rather solve earth problems first.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:02:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't like buzzfeed as much as anyone else here but I don't think that's a very appropriate joke to make considering this guys whole family has cancer
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:01:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. I'll remove it.
August2_8x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boom! XD
freericky ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:00:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked on an algorithm that helped simulate cancer treatment options a few years back. I think that the analysis of DNA is going to be a really big help in treatment. Cancers are all so different, the same kind of cancer can take on similar but different mutations and being able to identify the gene let's you effectively "turn it off," using traditional medicine.
We were able to simulate a bunch of treatment tracts to find the best one, but the prohibitive factor for patients was cost. This cost will decrease as computing power becomes cheaper, making it more accessible.
AleenaMorgan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:07:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my greatest wish: a cure for cancer before I'm taken by it.
dont_forget_canada ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:54:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want it cured before my parents get diagnosed and die from it. It's my biggest fear besides spiders, but that one is just irrational!
AleenaMorgan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:59:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I wish it would have been cured before I was diagnosed too, but that was two years ago. Now I just wish it could be cured before I die from it.
And there is nothing irrational about a fear of spiders. They creep me out to not end!
Edit: Oh my! My first Reddit gold! Thank you so much! ๐๐๐๐
TheAlbionKing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:46:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every family member I've lost has been from cancer. Shit is depressing seeing how weak it steadily makes someone
stevevecc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched my grandfather go from alert and talkative in a hospital bed last Saturday to unresponsive and delirious on Monday. He had brain, liver, and lung cancer, stage 4, and they think it was spreading to his spine by the end of it.
I knew when I was leaving the hospital on Tuesday morning at 2 am that he was going to be dead the next day. And it was mentally one of the worst things I've ever been through. He didn't even make it 24 hours in hospice.
He refused chemo cause he didn't wanna put my family through it. And while it was heartbreaking, I understand why he did it.
Cancer fucking sucks.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fucking worst thing I have ever seen was watching my high school friend die from cancer at 22. Died about 1 year after being diagnosed and oh my god what his parents and sister had to go through must have been some kind of hell. His mom posted really sappy things on facebook about how tough her "little man" was and how he was going to pull through and would post that stuff even when it was clear he wasn't going to make it but she just kept hoping for a miracle I guess or I have no idea because there's just no way I could even begin to try and picture being in her shoes. Ican picture my mom saying those exact same words about me or my siblings though. And that aspect of cancer scares me more than me getting the disease itself.
Dying if you have no family sounds hard. But dying and being survived by your own mother who watches you suffer and die sounds impossible. If there is a god I don't want to have anything to do with him because he's one sick son of a bitch putting people through that.
MadChef26 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:32:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immunotherapy for certain cancers is already in trials and some are ready to start rolling out.
TL;DR version of how is works is that immune system cells like T cells and NK cells can be genetically programmed to target specific cancer cells. These immunity cells can be grown in culture and introduced to a patient. The success rate of these treatments is startling.
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last I heard was that this was causing strokes.
MadChef26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/07/12/536812206/living-drug-that-fights-cancer-by-harnessing-the-immune-system-clears-key-hurdle
GAndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that. CAR-T immunotherapy is being tried against lymphomas right now. You can go to clinicaltrials.gov and search CAR-T and you will see lots of studies. Now I am not sure if the paper(s) have come out yet but some of my friends doing these trials are noticing some problems that is some of the techniques are causing strokes in patients sometimes several years down the line. I don't know the full story (and I am not interested anymore), but we have hit some hurdles on the way. Hopefully it's cleared up soon and we make more progress.
meisenhut31 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer already has a cure, or rather, different cancer types already have different cures. A treatment does not have to be effective in 100% of cases to be a cure. Paclitaxel was an early chemotherapeutic agent derived from the Pacific Yew tree in the early 1970s and first approved for use to treat cancer in the early 1990s. It has been used (sometimes effectively, sometimes not) to treat breast, lung, and ovarian cancer (also Kaposi sarcoma). This is but one "cure" that we have for cancer. Sure, people like to use the term "remission" after chemo and radiation therapy are deemed effective, but I would argue if you're remiss for years until something entirely unrelated to cancer or complications from cancer kills you then you were, in effect, cured. It annoys me that people don't see how far we have come in treatment of cancer in the past decade alone. I guess being in the healthcare industry and dealing with oncology-related clinical trials is not something that everyone has exposure to, but (certain types of) cancer are very much "curable" today, right now.
That being said, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. IMO everybody needs to be vaccinated for high-risk HPV because not only does it lead to cervical cancer in women, it can lead to oropharyngeal cancer in both men and women. Everybody is at risk, so get vaccinated to protect yourself and others.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
15 years ago I see family/friends die from cancer
10 years ago I see family/friends die from cancer
5 years ago I see family/friends die from cancer
2017 I see family/friends die from cancer
It's hard to recognize that there's been progress in curing cancer when my own n=1 sample sized observations have always been: "you, your friends, your family will all probably get cancer and then might die". Probably it's confirmation bias or I'm just a cynic but even so it sucks.
skrimpstaxx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just lost my dad to cancer a little over 2 months ago, on my moms birthday, his wife of 35+ years :( my brothers and I and family friends have all been making sure SHE is ok first, sucks man he was my best friend
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
even though im a creepy internet stranger im really sorry :(
skrimpstaxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It means a lot, thank you, every little bit I can get to get me through these times will certainly help :)
And I dont think you're creepy, you reached out to a total stranger to wish them well. It is appreciated, and I will pay it forward :) enjoy your day friend
av9099 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say Multiple sclerosis, because the cause is unknown, I have no high hopes that it will be achieved in my lifetime. I'm in my twenties.
thesandcastlepokemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancers like brain cancer have no known cause or links to environmental causes too.
oophaga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're gettin there. Sequencing/big data + CRISPR = lots of good stuff happening in this field
cewallace9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I feel like an ass. I was going to say flying cars...
Sekolah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, cancer can eat a dick
nurimoons ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only adult cancer but childrens cancer as well. The last twenty years there have been over 300 treatments found and created for adult cancer, and there has only been three for children.
dont_forget_canada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck
nurimoons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:48 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Childhood Leukemia has a survival rate of 90%, and is the most common childhood cancer, but the third most common childhood cancer, DIPG has a 0% survival rate, with a 9-12 month timeframe. Leukemia cases have been steadily dropping, but DIPG cases have risen. It's a horribly aggressive disease, and not a lot of people are doing anything about it.
There are adult cancers that have low survival rates too, like lung cancer at 13%, but these cancers are actively being researched, and have had treatments made for them within the last 30 years. Most of the cancers that adult have, have anywhere from a 51% survival rate, all the way up to a 99% survival rate.
arcangeltx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
doubtful its more profitable to treat cancer than to cure it in one go
HookDragger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Convert cancer into a chronic illness instead of a terminal one.
jnees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day soon hopefully cancer can be treated like diabetes is
trevize1138 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:53:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer is such a problem because so many of us are living unhealthy lives and eating crap. A true fix would be to really figure out how to get everybody living and eating healthier and cancer rates would drop. A band-aid fix would be better cancer treatments as the population continues to get more obese and sedentary and that just means you replace death by cancer with death by diabetes or something else.
By all means: we need a cure but so many cancer deaths are simply preventable.
cusoman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:03:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tell that to my mother-in-law who did healthy living right, active every day, growing their own fruits and vegetables without chemicals and eating right every day with tons of water in the diet -- still ended up with ovarian cancer.
Shooterdog ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:27:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The unfortunate reality is you can do everything right and still get cancer. My grandmother passed from lung cancer without ever touching a cigarette. Ovarian cancer is influenced by estrogen exposure, for one thing. Women who begin menstruation early in their lives, who have menopause late, and who take hormone replacement therapy for menopause increase their risk for breast and ovarian cancer slightly. It isn't a huge increase, but it's there.
dont_forget_canada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and also just because there's a 90% possibility of one outcome (no cancer) doesnt mean the 10% outcome wont come true too sometimes. You can live right and reduce your chances of getting cancer all the way down to 1%, but then if you talk to 100 people who do that 1 of them will still have gotten cancer.
trevize1138 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:12:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From my post:
How does what I said suggest people don't die of cancer through no fault of their own?
cusoman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, missed that and I think you should have led with that because the first part of your post really makes it sound like you believe that simply living a healthy life prevents cancer, which is untrue. There's so many environmental factors even living a healthy life won't control.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't eliminate you getting cancer completely but it certainly does prevent cancer to some extent. If 100 people live healthy lives and reduce their cancer risk down to 10% then 10 of them will still get cancer.
trevize1138 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:39:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I specifically didn't lead with that because I see people point to the exceptions as a way to ignore what they should be doing to lower their risk factors. I hear all the time "Well, so-and-so lead a healthy lifestyle and got cancer anyway so ... I'll just keep on eating fast food..."
And I also know it's a very, very tall order because for so many people it's extremely hard to choose a healthier lifestyle, especially if you're poor. My worry is that we focus too much on "I hope some day doctors find a cure" and then just don't do what we need either individually or as a matter of government/business decisions to prevent disease. Even just in terms of macroeconomics it's plain stupid to spend tons of money fixing broken people when so many might not have gotten that way with just better prevention.
cusoman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're definitely on agreement on those points. Just so you know, I definitely wasn't dismissing a healthy lifestyle like those you're talking about, that bothers me too.
It inevitably has to be a multi-pronged approach that includes promoting healthy lifestyles, cleaning up our environment and medical treatments.
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh I see, ignore my other comment then sorry.
justthebloops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prevention is definitely the key. Eating well is a huge step in the right direction, although there are other major environmental factors like job related exposure to chemicals and dusts, air/water pollution, etc. Nailing down and stopping every potential cause of gene damage that could lead to cell replication errors will be pretty difficult, especially in this chemically laced world of ours. Keeping the immune system working at full capacity by giving it good nutrition might be the best defense an individual has.
exikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but that is just wrong. Yes, some cancers have known risk factors or causes. For most it is just being old and bad luck. Cancer is an inherent part of getting older. To quote my oncology prof: "live long enough and everybody gets some form of cancer".
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look man. I tried doing the healthy thing. I got rhabdomyolysis after my third workout and I didn't even push myself very hard at all. I'm destined to die no matter what I try.
bowies_dead ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:00:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, right. We're not going to cure lung cancer if people keep smoking...
sdh68k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer is a term for a whole bunch of things that can go wrong with you. Curing it is going to be hard. The various types will be 'cured' one by one.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer doesn't HAVE TO exist. CRISPR has already seen people's cancer disappear. This will happen in our lifetime.
Namika ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have to die due to something. Thousands of biological processes and pathways in our bodies degrade over the decades. Cancer is one of the better known pathologies, but if we "cured cancer" we'd all be dying of other etiologies.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my main response to OPs question was exactly that. My wish is to see full biological rejuvenation. Aubrey de gray lists 7 forms of damage and how they can be reversed. this specific comment i made about cancer not having to exist is exactly that. We are in agreement.
otakudayo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying you'd like to see us become immortal?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a problem with the longevity community is that they use the term "immortality" which is technically impossible. What i'm saying is that i don't want the cause of my death to be because of my own heart, lungs, liver, brain or etc. As long as i am healthy and not depressed, i would not like to die. If i were 120 and still healthy, i can't imagine saying "i'd like to be a bit less healthy next year than i am this year". Unless you're depressed, you're never going to say that. From there, it all comes down to whether you believe we can theoretically reverse the cellular and molecular damage.
polish_midget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already done
katfromjersey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying there's already a cure for cancer? I'm curious as to what makes you say that.
Namika ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, to be fair, a massive amount of people survive cancer. We have literally dozens of "cures", it's just that cancer is always evolving around whatever cure we develop.
It's literally no different than bacteria evolving around antibiotics. You can create the most perfect "cure" to sepsis, but once you start using it in patients, eventually certain bacterial strains will (by chance of evolutionary mutations) develop resistance to your cure and now you're back to square one.
That's happens with cancers too, we just don't hear about it as often.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Muh conspiracies.
vicariousveitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder how much AI will help the cause. IBM Watson coming up with the cure/treatment for most of the forms would be crazy
dont_forget_canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am glad to see someone else mentioning this too. Neural networks and genetic algorithms and in the far future quantum computers we can actually make use of can play a very big role in early detection and treatment plans.
mylittlesyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. And I'm sorry for your losses.
TheMexicanJuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding a cure to Parkinson's. That shit runs in our family and it scares the shit out of me.
zywrek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relative to how the situation was 25 years ago, you could say we're already there.
But yea, I would love to see a cure, as my step-dad (we're very close) likely won't live until Christmas..
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should probably start with a very easy check for abnormal growths. Just something really routine and done in a few seconds. Finding it in early stages is huge.
badwolf42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to hear it and right there with you. I recently lost my Dad to pancreatic cancer and years ago my uncle as well.
180secondideas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 43. I've seen a lot of change in my lifetime. I don't care too much about going to Mars or flying cars. But a cure for every form of cancer would change the entire planet.
That, plus $1.00 a gallon gas.
WatNxt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/longevity
Deltascourge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The part that I'm mostly afraid of is that once we do fix it entirely, something else will take its place
mcarlone33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From what i hear about the strides in nano tech and cancer it sounds very possible within the next hundred years - very interesting stuff
punriffer5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is what you do with all the people that survive... Curing cancer and aging just means you have to stop having kids, or we run out of space. Or we run into space. A ton of sci-fi novels are based on the concept that population growth is tied to how many space colonies you can set up, which will NEVER EVER keep up with population growth... so tension.
Bearded_Wildcard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most common forms of cancer are already easily treatable. Breast and prostate cancer (2 most common as far as I can see) both have very high survival rates. The only way people are dying from cancer these days are if it hits a vital organ, or if it's not detected early and spreads.
cherrybomb921 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are very close to much better treatments with much better outcomes. And even better screenings. However, people will still die of cancer because they waited too long before seeking treatment. Google "Aptamers for cancer therapy" and you will see how close we are.
Ruidan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. Imagine being like "oh got the pesky cancer again, let me go to the doctors and get put on meds" like it's a cold.
Namika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have to die due to something. Thousands of biological processes and pathways in our bodies degrade over the decades. Cancer is one of the better known pathologies, but if we "cured cancer" we'd all be dying of other etiologies
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. A treatment for cancer is definitely a possibility, but a cure is nigh impossible for every cancer due to the nature of it.
007conspiracy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow 3 family members is a lot. My condolences. Are you holding up okay?
haintblueguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife has cancer so this is a big one for me as well. Specifically, we need a cure for metastatic colon cancer.
AshKetchup600 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I fear. People want a cure for cancer, but are overlooking ways to prevent cancer from ever occurring.
Wanting a cure for cancer is like saying 'I want cancer, but I also want a pill or treatment that will make it go away.'
If we research ways to prevent cancer from ever occurring, we wouldn't need to find a cure for cancer.
ROGER_CHOCS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to hear about your family. Will keep you in my thoughts.
Noble_Flatulence ยท 1232 points ยท Posted at 14:31:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want castles to become a thing again. They're obsolete because of gunpowder, TNT, nukes, et al, but if something happens where the human species dwindles and explosives are no longer a threat; castles are totally coming back. And I feel their architectural progress could advance in ways we never imagined because we never had to in order to survive. It would be fun to see newer, better castle design.
Seeing as this is getting a bit of traction, I figured I'd give a shout-out to Shadiversity. No, I am not him. I only like castles, he fucking LOVES castles.
Slazman999 ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 15:45:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sure your neighbors are more than 300 meters away and do not own and 90kg projectiles nor a trebuchet.
zweite_mann ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 23:11:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep doing the lord's work brother
PracticallyANurse ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 00:32:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just make sure your neighbors think catapults are the best siege weapon of all time
timedragon1 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may be interested in King Ludwig II, who tried to build Castles during the Industrial Revolution. Only two were ever complete, but he loved castles about as much as you do.
Noble_Flatulence ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:59:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My ancestors were Pomeranian. I feel as though I'm required to hate him.
TehChubbehViking ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your ancestors were small fluffy dogs? The future is now and it is amazing
kingeryck ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one knows you're a dog on the internet. Unless you tell them.
PumpkinSpiceWhatever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:23 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a Pomeranian and I tell him he is of royal blood. IT MATTERS TO ME
Heiruspecs ยท 230 points ยท Posted at 14:45:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody wants immortality (stupid goal) and lack of religion (stupid goal) and this guy wants castles. I'm with castles guy. This sounds great.
For the record. Immortality is impractical because then no one new would get to live. If everyone on earth started staying alive forever then bringing new people into the world at the rate we do would become unsustainable overnight (not that it isn't already). As a result no one could have children anymore. On top of that, why should all the people on earth now be the only ones who get to live? Part of being a species is to advance and that requires new generations. Every new generation is better than the last, even if we may not always see it that way things do get better.
No religion is equally stupid because it ignores the good parts of religion. People always focus on the bad because it's easy to point fingers at the westboro baptist church, or any such extremists. But the fact is that it's really hard to quantify all the good religion does for people too. The problem isn't religion, it's a flaw in people's perception of our unity as a people, and a closed mindedness to other ideas.
Anyways, TLDR: immortality is stupid, religion isn't that bad. Castles are sweet.
vikingzx ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 18:34:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality would bring with it a host of scientific and social advances however. How much is our development slowed by the fact that you have to spend in some cases upward of 40 years acquiring the knowledge to be able to contribute to new discoveries, only to face old age slowing you twenty years later?
The world has constantly argued that mankind can't take any more people. Crud, there was a well-known article written in the early 1900s by a social scientist that said mankind had nearly reached the limits of human population on the Earth because farmland couldn't support any more than it currently did. Others made similar claims in the 60s, 70s, and even now. Yet each time mankind has improved everything. Crops today yield more than three times more due to advances in agriculture, and housing is far better and more suited to large numbers.
Immortality? Mankind would leap forward. Space colonies, long-term developments, the works. Any need would find an army of minds ready to fill it.
Chocobubba ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm personally for the digitization immortality method. I'm all for being digital.
Tasgall ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You still die though - your family and friends just don't feel as bad because they have a robot simulation of your brain.
Chocobubba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:32:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well yes, my body would. But my consciousness would live inside a digitized space and I could just interact with them via electronic devices and create my own avatar.
Tasgall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:48:53 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your consciousness wouldn't necessarily transfer - if you're entirely being replaced by a machine. If it uses any method that doesn't involve your physical brain, you're essentially cloning yourself which doesn't leave you with a stream of consciousness in a digital form. Your clone would be immortal, not you.
If you hook your physical brain into a system that can keep it alive forever and simulates sensory inputs though, then yeah that could work.
Chocobubba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:31:26 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly I just kill myself immediately after having an image of my brain taken to preserve that stream. /S
But I see your point.
Tasgall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:58:25 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you ship-of-Theseus it over a few years replacing small parts of your brain with functionally identical replacements it might work - but there really would be no way of knowing if or when the "host" loses consciousness and dies...
If only "souls" were actually concrete entities and not some vague construct for something that doesn't actually exist...
Chocobubba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:01:00 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figured it would just be like SOMA. It's not ideal, but probably the most realistic option that doesn't involve plugging a brain in forever.
Heiruspecs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok but here's the problem with every single argument against my stance on immortality. ALL of you have based your argument on the fact that we would have solutions to the problems posed by immortality in short order. Which isn't at all a guarantee. So if we had capacity to expand into the universe and basically set up shop wherever we wanted, sure! Immortality isn't so bad. But as it stands we can't do that. And given that we are much farther away from that than there is remaining time in my life, and the question was "what would you want to see in your life time" immortality seems like a terrible idea, as it stands.
I will however concede that immortality would take one of the problems of space travel out of the equation and that is the time aspect. But there are still a host of other issues we'd need to overcome to make long distance space travel for colonization possible. Growing food on the ship, building an ark large enough to send people out in space. Building that craft in space. The list goes on.
Furthermore people may have argued that we have maxed out earth's capacity for a century, and we may have made it through that. But again, those arguments don't account for the mass population increase that would result from immortality. If immortality happened, sure people would still die, but not even close to the rate that people are born at. As a result population of earth could theoretically increase by 30%ish in a year. Adding 2.4 billion people to the population in a year is simply not sustainable in any model no matter how you spin it. So once again, in my lifetime immortality would be a shit option.
Timeless1ct ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoting this because the TLDR made me laugh.
memnoc ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you misunderstand what an opportunity is. Just because a person isn't born at a specific time because there is no reason for people to procreate, doesn't mean a life or opportunity of life was lost as a result. You can't kill life which isn't even theoretically conceptualized.
There is truth that it just makes population control even more complicated, but if people continue to age and learn forever maybe we'll all eventually stop making past mistakes because we'll have all been alive to see every mistake.
nuker1110 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 16:35:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the record, I'm 3/4 down the page on Reddit for iOS, and this is the first mention I've seen of Religion.
Heiruspecs ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:40:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha well that's good! I scrolled through earlier and it was every second post. I'm guessing castles got more upvotes. Cause fuck ya castles.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:50 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is still quite euphoric.
Dernroberto ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could always do it City and the stars style. A beautiful example of immortality.
Heiruspecs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is true! But I feel like realistically that wouldn't take place. Immortality would be cool if we had capacity to colonize other planets though!
Dernroberto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until the invaders push us back ;)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until eventually the universe runs out of space.
DraketheDrakeist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:52:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your view on immortality bothers me. First off, people would still die, just not from old age. Second, the reason each generation is better than the last is because of technological advancements, not because reproduction makes objectively better people. You also ignore the fact that humans will likely colonize other planets, requiring more people.
severed13 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
B-but muh fedora!!!!1!
Pleased_to_meet_u ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well said.
jsideris ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:54:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who cares if new people don't get to be brought into this world? We don't owe them anything. We were here first.
russianrug ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:10:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I for one really look forward to having children at some point
jsideris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why should I have to give my life so that you may have children?
russianrug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't say you had to lol, I'm fine with how things are tho in that respect. AKA I'm willing to be mortal so my kids can live lives as well
miss-clams ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:40:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
society and progress get stale, if they don't stagnate completely. There's no one new bringing in new ideas, or requiring the people who were here first to use their brains to think outside the box. Plus, don't you think the world would get so boring after one hundred or two hundred years with the exact same people, likely stuck in the exact same routine?
jsideris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would this happen? The people who are already here can still cause progress and come up with new ideas. You can't meet every person in the world in a couple hundred years, so why would it get boring? Why is death a preferable alternative to boredom?
r1chard3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically the Plot of Zardoz.
Alfred_978 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we become immortal we would learn to colonize other planets before overpopulation becomes too big of a problem.
sintaroactual ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:41:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd get to have a network of surveillance cameras monitor your enemies' trivial progression throughout your keep, as you trigger falling gates, rocks, wall-flamethrowers, and other contraptions to easily defeat them.
Google, "The Top 100 Things I'd Do if I Ever Became an Evil Overlord".
managedheap84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you ever play evil genus or dungeon keeper?
Pleased_to_meet_u ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dungeon Keeper II was a better game. It's also available online if you feel like looking for a cracked version. The .exe is there.
sintaroactual ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope.
DaLAnt3rN ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:01:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're a reader, check into Stirling's Dies the Fire
Noble_Flatulence ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I need to read the Nantucket series first?
DaLAnt3rN ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Not linked totally. And totally different plots... Spoilers, Deary.
EasyReader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Definitely read it at some point though, it's good in a different way.
paxavonia ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been wanting to see castles make a comeback for years, bRING ON THE TURRETS AND THE FLYING BUTTRESSES
hairylimpsquid ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:23:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but flying buttresses in themselves aren't a good defensive feature. They exist to strengthen the core structure whilst allowing in the maximum light, this why you see them on cathedrals more than castles. A flying buttress is inherently weak from attack, and would need to be buttressed by a second set of buttresses, which in turn would need to be buttressed by a third set. Incidentally, this third set is known as a galley, giving us the rarely seen Renaissance architectural style known as buttress-buttress-galley.
Ehalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You SO nailed that I love you lol :) X
edit - Really NOT being sarcastic here, I lol'ed! At early am!
aynakoaynako ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:42:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had to google that (idk much about architecture so I wasn't sure if this was serious), but I only got results for Boutros Boutros-Ghali lmao
FirelordHeisenberg ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but how about dragons?
bluew200 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:16:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Castles are obsolete because its relatively easy to fling rocks and other heavy objects on it from distance that makes retaliation from within the castle impossible.
Before the advanced siege weapons were a thing, castles were basically WW2 trenches in medieval setting - resource battle. Occupants fighting defendants on resource allocation alone.
courtoftheair ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:54:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also they're chilly as fuck
mikeyros484 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Tis a three dog night every night in a castle, indeed.
Decyde ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:40:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a guy 8 years ago wanting to build a castle near some water source.
When people laughed at him he said when the world ends from disease, famine or nuclear holocaust, you're not welcome in my castle.
-0-7-0- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:50:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you can live in a castle still. They're extremely durable to the elements and well-built. It's just that they aren't very useful for combat.
Noble_Flatulence ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've completely missed the point. For one thing, I didn't say I wanted to live in a castle. And a castle that isn't useful for combat is either an obsolete old castle that used to be useful, or it's a fake castle that's designed to be pretty but completely useless. I don't give a shit about seeing more people live in things that look like castles. I want to see what advancements can be made to castle design under real-world conditions. I want to find out if they peaked and no improvements are possible, or if there's new innovative designs the old castle builders never figured out. And we can only ever find that out under actual, evolutionary selective pressures in real life test conditions where actual lives are on the line and survival depends on it.
Tasgall ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:18:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, that's boring. Then you get star-forts (not the sci-fi ones, the star-shaped ones...) and later concrete bunkers.
If you want to nix gunpowder and flight, well, you've lost the "real world conditions" angle - but if you want endless medieval period, but with modern construction techniques, you've just replaced the cool looking stone with reinforced concrete and steel. As for layouts and general tech, they were actually pretty damn good in their designs at the time. It was already a terrible idea to try to directly take a castle head on, so defensive fortifications wouldn't need to improve that much. What could be improved though is accessibility to better fortified locations (ie, build on higher cliffs), and... gardens.
Castle gardens sound lame, and not at all what you probably wanted because you're not going for aesthetics, but the only real way to take a castle sans gunpowder is by siege and gardens let you produce food while surrounded. With modern farming techniques and our significantly better crops in general, an effective farm in an inner bailey could let you outlast an attacker pretty easily if you're waiting for reinforcements.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:39:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the technology of today, it is easier to build wide and sophisticated tunnels, bridges and passageways, meaning that the ol' "Castle surrounding by a moot" design could be extended to "Castle surrounding by an artificial lake or by a swamp" design, with lots of tunnels crossing the lake, that allows the forces within the castle to both resist a siege better and it gives them an easier time flanking and sabotaging the sieging by the enemy
DaLAnt3rN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet
Morgc ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They never really were for combat. They're just there for power projection
nilesandstuff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant... username?
HratioRastapopulous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/ImaginaryCastles
dnesteruk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not just large, well-made houses/buildings?
animeniak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just discovered this guy last night. I loved his vid on jettying. Its something I'd always wondered about.
Noble_Flatulence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey cool, that's how I discovered him.
Video in question.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, personally, think the Maginot Line-style forts were pretty damn cool. Those things were so magnificently expensive and over-engineered, but they looked incredibly cool.
aporetic1322 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yay! Castles!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could have castles be viable again, but you need the breakthrough that would be mass production of macroscale graphene sheets. That shit is beyond strong and more flexible than steel in the right configuration, you could build a stone castle and cover the outside in a couple thousand atoms thick of graphene and it would be ridiculously strong. Even better though, at only a couple thousand atoms graphene is translucent black color, so your castle will look totally dark and forboading.
CaptainIncredible ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought "The Walking Dead Europe" would be interesting. Castles would be a major part of it. Especially the small castles that are sort of screwy little museums that seem to be all over the place.
Regretful_Bastard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is so random I'm upvoting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curious: would this require an apocalypse in our lifetime or just castles becoming a thing anyways?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kingeryck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean we could still build them without them having to be strictly defensive.
Afalstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wait until the zombie apocalypse.
upsidedownshaggy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of like the Dune universe. Personal defense shields have gotten so good that the only way to penetrate them is really slowly, with a knife or dagger rendering guns nearly useless.
BeanItHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live near carlisle castle which is still fully intact so I'm all good. Hell my post apocalypse plan is to hide out innit and sharpen my blunt HMB weapons, don my armour and call myself Lord BeanItHard
cyberdungeonkilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely check WWZ chapter on castles, they become clutch on the zombie apocalypse, also medieval weapons.
i8aBlueSkittle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is kind of cool because you're calling for kind of the opposite of what OP asked for, in order to revive a cool part of human HISTORY.
EvilEggplant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Castle design" is not entirely extinct. While long-range weaponry diminish the value of fortifying a position, there are a few cases where fortifying a building or area is still worth it, and the technology and innovations employed there would make many a stronghold architect of the past proud.
The germans built many big fortresses on central europe during WWII, borrowing from tank design to withstand all kinds of bombardment, along with careful design to facilitate movement inside the building and all kinds of castle-y ingenuity. The Pentagon is another example of 'contemporary fortress', using a lot of cutting edge tech and contingency protocols to be able to survive even nuclear attacks.
Little bits of tech and clever thinking are always applied to strategic positions in warfare, and this can be seen as a direct continuation of ancient fortification tech. Even the very castles we consider today a beautiful show of form and function are not as spectacular as the fortifications of even older times - the romans would prefer to fortify big population centers instead of smaller buildings, leading to unmatched wonders like the Theodosian and Aurelian walls.
It can even be said that castles have been through a slow revival since the middle ages, as the renaissance and modern ages brought castle-like buildings in much larger sizes, and today neoclassical and neogothic style buildings effortlessly copy castle-ish features using modern construction technology to create buildings the medieval man would be astonished to see.
blackrumonrocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you read World War Z? Or better yet, listen to the audiobook. There's an amazing section about the British surviving the undead by using castles and taking up the ancient weapons they had as decorations. The whole book is fantastic, but that part definitely stands out. That and all the parts voiced by Mark Hamill.
rshorning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a website run by a company called 20th Century Castles that is even a real estate agent for unusual properties. If you want to see what castles look like in a modern context, this is definitely it.... and even for sale to somebody who has a bit of money.
They haven't gone obsolete, but they have definitely gone underground in an attempt to survive nuclear attacks and other issues of modern warfare. Some are surprisingly quite large as well. Please try to convince me that these military structures are not castles, even if their appearance looks nothing like castles of a millennia ago.
EricCassidyWalton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I loved his Skyrim town reviews
brando56894 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:40:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea it really does suck, Europe has all the cool shit, meanwhile America has nothing of this sort since "the white man" only came over in the 1600s when castles were already long gone.
robotmonkey5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:13:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopping in late here, but as a cheeky plug to my homeland Wales has more castles per square mile of any other country. The larger ones are in suprisingly good condition for several centuary old buildings, and are open to the public. The histories are spectacular, and there are even a few fairly modern "faux" castles near where I am, in the North. One of them is currently being restored (if they ever have enough money), and it's absolutely stunning. Bonus points if you can pronounce it- Gwrych Castle.
Generoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MACHICOLATIONS!
A-noni-mouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My house is my castle.
Escritor_Boliviano ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better design as in more drywall less stone? Maybe insulation?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:33:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just need better castles then. I for one want swords to be a thing. Basically I want to live in the first season of Revolution.
auxiliary-character ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:18:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, with modern construction techniques, buildings resembling castles shouldn't actually be that hard to build.
RedSnowBird ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:19:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you could always try playing Minecraft while you wait. Seems everyone builds a castle at least once.
PoiLethe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:05:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gawd I want classic castle on the outside and gorgeous comfortable modern mansion on the inside. Sure make it out of stone on the outside. But then insulate it and have electricity and plumbing. I just want a modern beauty and the beast castle okay. So I can have a modern beauty and the beast library in it where all the books are available to download on my Kindle so I don't have to actually go retrieve them. And my gorgeous Baroque(?) but not broke wardrobe has a mirror panel that knows my style and shows me a digital version of what I'd look like in certain outfits.
94358132568746582 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:15:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Castle design has been almost exclusively about survival for all of history. Do you think the barbarian hordes outside the walls were trying to get in for hugs? People were wiped out and/or enslaved often. It was the norm. Castles came out of necessity, not because they looked cool. While castle design could improve slightly with modern tech, given your prerequisite "explosives are no longer a threat", castle design has already been pretty well honed and would not change in any fundamental way.
merlinfire ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:03:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
roses are red
sprite comes in liters
a trebuchet is a device that throws a 40kg projectile over 200 meters
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:57:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Castles today just don't look like they used to. Today, they have electric fences...
Noble_Flatulence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moron? You already are.
ThatBritishPleb ยท 3800 points ยท Posted at 12:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3
yParticle ยท 1608 points ยท Posted at 13:36:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
human achievement. you're really asking too much there.
Lightlim ยท 587 points ยท Posted at 13:45:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well, gaben technically isn't human
GavinProasheck ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:50:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He escapes again...
j4242 ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 16:26:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like a sentient gelatinous mass.
-Isaac ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:37:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
shit man be quiet. keep that on the DL
borkamork ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's more Flame Broiled Whopper than man.
mood_z ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:33:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M K
Stratengar ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:35:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course after all, he is God.
Mewcancraft ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:11:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is our Almighty Lord and Saviour, and, for that matter, way above all forms of human and non-human life. Hell, he's on his way to solving worldwide poverty and religious conflicts!
Also, plugging gaben.tv here.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True a bronie
sturace ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:06:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if we make contact with an intelligent alien life form, and they've already made Half Life 3 which they share with our world
yParticle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:11:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A first contact peace offering! Gets totally panned on Steam.
ThatBritishPleb ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:12:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The funny thing is i dont even like half life.
Freeman96 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:59:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you care about others. Respect
MartianPortal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:02 on September 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get out infidel
iSo_Cold ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard that Valve is powered by the lamentations of the damned and that's why the game will never be released.
JonesBee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll at least a portal then, where some alien creature or a robot can bring it to us. Let's call it Portal 3.
ReactsWithWords ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 15:00:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come on, this post is for somewhat realistic expectations.
10000pelicans ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:29:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someday... someday...
54321Blast0ff ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:13:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not
black_irishman ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:18:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ctrl F "Half L-" yep.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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WideEyedJanitor ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:51:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me Google that for you. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ctrl+f
TheRedJoker93 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:35:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I found the one person for whom "world peace" is not a lofty enough goal.
Chrome_daddy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:09:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was released in most other dimensions. We really drew the short straw on that one.
Chokingzombie ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:50:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The game is a lie.
ArchDragon414 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:21:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is the least feasible thing in the entire thread.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:34:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not until Newell dies or retires or they sell the IP, he is totally against a new Half-Life game and the dude's already a billionaire.
kfpswf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This knowledge may be frightening, but Half Life 3 is actually the Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse.
nachog2003 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:55:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that I want Portal 3 to release.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy dreams
extracanadian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3, the new MMORPG with day one dlc and drop crates.
nakilon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:14:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember us playing Morrowind and wanting TES to become cooperative... but not the fucking another WoW clone.
hornwalker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And maybe the new Tool album
frizzykid ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:18:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its not going to be for a long time, the Half life 3 team is pretty much non existent at this time, only a few people working on it. Valve doesnt want to make new games anymore. They can exist solely being a marketplace for games at this point. especially with half life 3, they dont want people to be disappointed and absolutely hate valve for it.
ThatBritishPleb ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:19:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont even play half life. I just know reddit loves it.
frizzykid ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a fantastic series, just play half life 1 and 2, dont bother with HL2 episode 1 and 2 though because they are the main reason people want a half life 3
monster860 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, HL2 EP2 was a real cliffhanger
ThatBritishPleb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont play video games at all tbh
TheGuyWhoNeedsSaving ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because you are a British ple.... I feel like I've done this before...
ThatBritishPleb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:35:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get it alot. And "username checks out"
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mrbrightside2003 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eyyyy this was the comment I came here for
crewchief535 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Valve actually working on that, or is it just one big circlejerk amongst gamers?
FuckUrMana ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:20:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its mainly a circlejerk, but there has been speculation that Valve may have been doing it secretly multiple times. But honestly, Valve is only focusing on making money from steam and from their main games like CS:GO and DOTA 2, it also seems like they might be coming up with VR related games.
crewchief535 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I kind of figured. I mean, HL3 would be awesome, but if it isn't out by now, I doubt it ever will unless someone dies and priorities change.
call_911_to_diddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:26:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much money do they have to make to actually be enough for them?
FuckUrMana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't it's just a matter of making enough money. The thing about HL is the franchise is really well-known and popular because when HL 1 and 2 were made they were revolutionary to the industry in some ways, i can go more in detail if you want but to put it simple there is no way HL 3 will meet everybodys high standards that were set up for the game after so long and even becoming a meme. In my opinion, until Valve can come up with something that will make HL 3 really stand out in a meaningful way the game won't be released or announced.
imnotjohnstamos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Portal 3
ThatBritishPleb ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Team fortress 3
MartianPortal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:32 on September 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would that work?
ThatBritishPleb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:07 on September 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like TF2 but with a 3 instead.
MartianPortal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:26 on September 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So....Exactly the same
ThatBritishPleb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:41 on September 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. But 3
MartianPortal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:27 on September 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K. I would play it.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's Half life 3 bot?
ZeroCesar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has to be written as HL 3 to work I think, but even then the bot could have been banned from here.
ubertrashcat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:04:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone goes for the usual, easy stuff: cure for cancer, colonizing Mars, etc., and then there's you.
ChickenWithATopHat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:50:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty funny
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha well land on Mars first
HouseBoat0469 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I have nothing to say"
AirieFenix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now the Universe could end.
alt_generic_acct ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically.
Arkose07 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As Steven Tyler would say, dream on.
teotwawkiaiff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just Crazy talk!
MartianPortal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not Portal 3?
CEOofValve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:21:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, it won't be in your lifetime.
Unless you can live past the heat death of the universe.
no40sinfl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
isn't there a bot that should be delaying it another month?
TacticalBacon8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:06:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves here
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:32:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dear God...
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HL2 was released in 2004. It is time to let it go. Steam isn't a gaming company any more and the HL series is significant but dead.
There is no way HL3 can live up to the hype, and it is probably best that the series is left alone. It was good, that is enough.
We don't need another duke nukem or daikatana.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The writer has already said he's never returning to the series and that it would have never ended anyway. It would have gone on forever with no conclusion anyway so might as well just play the games that already exist and accept it. It's not even that great of a series it's 99% nostalgia.
ch4ppi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good one
Fuckhl3 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck half life 3
MartianPortal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:02 on September 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you
Fuckhl3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:25:18 on September 23, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you too
MartianPortal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:34:36 on September 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I don't accept fucks. I only accept slurs.
CurrentlyTrevor ยท 9717 points ยท Posted at 11:44:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Phelps racing a real shark
Heisenberger_ ยท 1288 points ยท Posted at 13:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got news for you!
birdof_death ยท 958 points ยท Posted at 13:34:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real or fake?
BaDoomes ยท 1872 points ยท Posted at 13:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fake
tatertot255 ยท 97 points ยท Posted at 13:49:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fake news or fake shark?
puddyboy28 ยท 108 points ยท Posted at 13:54:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SAD.
DredPRoberts ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:56:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you were on vacation.
puddyboy28 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:04:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ALRIGHT MOM! gonna go.. mumbles.. hmmpff. (picks up golf clubs)
197708156EQUJ5 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:13:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Toupee falls off
7ofalltrades ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trips on 6' tie.
KKlear ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:20:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad news or sad shark?
please don't be sad shark
veryfascinating ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:34:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The news is real, the shark is... Alternative.
GersonLCSJunior ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
BaDoomes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both.
Specktacular96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big if true
Bornattork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It speaks the big true-true
Decyde ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a left shark.
Jak_Atackka ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:30:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an older meme, sir, but it checks out.
Asleep_On_Floor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:13:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decoy Shark
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:46:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
news
Jaketh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... I'm listening.
BaDoomes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fake...shark?
Bigtuna546 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad!
imGnarly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad.
Fickle_Pickle_Nick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet lemme hear it
BaDoomes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whispers "fake" sensually
mdh431 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fake news?
BaDoomes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad!
s0mething_awes0me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, Trump has been riding it right all this while?
cable5navaldive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
big if fake
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:49:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BaDoomes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed ma dude
balofg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternative.
aturnernator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's big if true
Ezdps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that even a question?
birdof_death ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:30:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really is a fake question.
tmbg89 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FAKE NEWS
AmbiguousYes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:52:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
birdof_death ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
MrTittyFingers ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are fake news
goodguyrussia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
MattTheMagician44 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big if true
pittstop33 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big if true
SleepWouldBeNice ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:38:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some guy actually getting eaten alive by an anaconda.
meme-com-poop ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:30:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, part of his arm went in, that counts, right?
spaceprincess13 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 13:26:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so bitter about this whole situation tbh.
Roller_ball ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:15:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happened? I heard he raced a shark, but I'm also hearing that he didn't. Was it faked?
HydraCarbon ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 14:22:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He raced a CG shark. They got times from a real one, but he wasn't against an actual shark.
Blackultra ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:37:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it was basically "can Phelps swim x distance in y time". There really wasn't any other variables
unknownsoldier9 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:15:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, he raced a virtual shark. It was bullshit.
skyroket ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:51:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to meet the executive who thought that's actually what people would be OK watching.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to know why so many dumbasses thought he'd be going one on one with a real fucking sharknin open water.
Bigfrostynugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was kinda hoping there would be separated lanes and they would get the shark to race him by shocking it in the balls like they do in pro bull riding.
Mustachesteve ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:21:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CGI shark IIRC
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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StaticDreams ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 16:17:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it would have been something like 2 Olympic pool-sized tanks with a shark in one and Phelps in the other. Then they would open the door to let the shark out when the clock starts and he swims to bait on the other side just past the finish line, while Phelps races in the other tank. Then the top down view shows us who is ahead, etc.
spaceprincess13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:16:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This exactly.
meaning_searcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does that sound impossible after what you see people doing at SeaWorld?
I_AM_A_GUY_AMA ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:51:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not trying to be a dick but after the gimmicky and overhyped dogshit, like the guy "being eaten alive by a snake" that Discovery has been pumping out for the last 5 years ... this came as a surprise?
meme-com-poop ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:30:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I pretty much quit watching Discovery after the "eaten alive," and the fake Megalodon and Mermaid "documentaries." Discovery has become complete garbage.
ThePnusMytier ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:02:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shark week used to be the week I lived for. "live every week like it's Shark Week" was a legitimate push to enjoy life. Then Mermaids happened. Then Megaladon. The whole while, I was accepting the fact that they would focus on basically clickbait shark attack documentaries with the occasional educational biology and history of sharks that I loved. Then the "documentaries" became lied.
They killed Shark Week. I can't even get excited about it. My favorite week, better than my birthday, became a sick bastardization of itself. Shark Week jumped the shark. Fuck you Discovery, you've ruined the greatest thing you created.
meme-com-poop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:05:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know it's fucked up when you'd rather watch Sharknado12:Shark Harder, than whatever crap Discovery is trying to show.
spaceprincess13 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:55:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha you're absolutely right. I was sorta hoping the shark would take a bite out of Phelps for having the audacity to challenge it in the first place.
sender2bender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Expect more garbage coming to HGTV, Food Network and Travel channel.
GirIsKing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:39:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just watch Sharknado 5
solastsummer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:58:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And winning because of genetic or cybernetic enhancement
CeterumCenseo85 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or the guy who was to be eaten alive by a snake
Bornattork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He'll definitely win if you sit at the end of the race with a gold medal waiting for him
Ccjfb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he gets a head start because of the cut on his leg.
CalvinGottaJob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duuuude!!!
Fr am I the only one who didn't know it was gonna be a digital shark til game time? I felt so dumb
Redhavok ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my head it was a man mounting a shark, like a shark jockey
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the one true answer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoiler alert: the shake would kill him, literally and figuratively
gaarasgourd ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shake
StaticDreams ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:19:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Diabetes.
vani11apudding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know almost nothing about sharks. Would they 100% just kill you if you swam next to them?
gaarasgourd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:57:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No
soup_party ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. IIRC shark attacks usually happened because they mistook the human for a seal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In this scenario, it'd actually be very risky. Swimming freestyle will create lots of splashing, making you look like a distressed seal or injured fish. The shark's also cruising around near the surface, making it likely that they are on the lookout for food. Plus to get it around you you probably had to chum the water, so it's looking to feed.
But in general, if you're in the water with a shark it'll ignore you. Just try to splash as little as possible and don't bleed or pee in the water.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd pay to watch him to race a shark in the same tank.
Sunshine_of_Darkness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could do this on a grander scheme and just have a "running of the bulls" type event. Swimming of the sharks?
hieronymus_donation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/BQxAicDlTJs?t=13s
gatemansgc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shark was added with CGI but it was filmed from earlier. Need some kind of divided safe track.
Andrei_Vlasov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Michael Phelps vs Michael Cera that would be even better
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:31:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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beeap26 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:02:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get your hopes up.
ofekp ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:42:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, close enough, Discovery Channel hosted him recently on Shark Week. So you get to see him swim with sharks.
CoolAppz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he will win, if the shark is chasing him.
WaterMerloen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:36:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He actually did!!
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:35:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mustachesteve ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:21:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How are these related?
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 3592 points ยท Posted at 13:19:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honest to goodness, no harm or cloning to occupant, low cost teleportation. Get your passport in order, see the Eiffel tower, Stonehenge, Golden Gate Bridge, New Zealand coastline, and some Japanese temples all in a few hours.
The--Incident ยท 780 points ยท Posted at 14:26:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those places would be insanely packed if everyone had quick access to them. Maybe you'd be good on the New Zealand coastline.
Marx0r ยท 618 points ยท Posted at 15:48:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At first, but popular destinations would have to start regulating the crowds and set up some kind of reservation system. Maybe you'd have to wait five years to go see Stonehenge, but you could make a hundred different reservations and go somewhere new each weekend.
What would be unfettered chaos, however, is if every Muslim person in the world suddenly had the ability to make a pilgrimage to Mecca each year.
PM_ME_YOUR_CAT_ ยท 973 points ยท Posted at 19:24:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh boy
i thought this was going in a different direction
sphinctaltickle ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 21:07:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man this made me chuckle
vesok ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 22:01:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well in all honesty if people with terrorist agendas could plan somewhere else and teleport to the scene of an attack, yeah that'd be a problem as well, no matter who they are.
BitchesLoveDownvote ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 00:22:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd just teleport them right back.
max225 ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 01:21:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Counter-Terrorists win.
muttynuffin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:36:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Construct additional pylons
raaldiin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:48:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS
wubalubadubscrub ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 20:47:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, and I'm a little sad that's the first place my mind went, on what ended up being a fairly wholesome sentence
GaySwans ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 23:43:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The truth is not sad, just true.
b183729 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 02:27:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The truth can be sad. Being true does not exclude that. If we accepted reality for what it is, we would never be able to change it.
GaySwans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't change the truth, it's just true.
OffendedPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:18:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't change it, but you can describe it.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:07:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except the original statement said "every Muslim." So no, not even close to true.
AmpedMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, most muslims.
MySkinIsFallingOff ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:28:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean suddenly in every direction all at once?
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Milo359 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:01:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
?
_Xertz_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:32 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
very constructive comment...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 19:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, actually it wouldn't be that easy. I mean it would be insanely easy to get there but Hajj and even Tawaf (the optional pilgrimage to Ka'aba) require time and a specific process. Hajj has a journey included in it and would still require the time to actually do it so you can't just go for a couple hours and come back.
(Btw, if there is someone more knowledgable wo notices I got something wrong, please correct me) Now for Tawaf, there is an important step where you're required to stop by one of four(?) places where you take a shower and change into these things called Ihram. Then you go ahead with the rest of it. So it would have at the very least two stops so it might be easier to regulate to a certain extent.
dividezero ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:21:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
these are all very good points and a lot of people still wouldn't be able to complete them. i do think it would be magnificent if the initial journey could be teleportation so to eliminate the main barrier for most muslims wishing to do the hajj. although, that journey in and of itself is considered a part of the experience so maybe that's sacrilegious even suggesting. i just want everyone to experience their sacred journey whatever it is. really does change your life and your relationship to humanity and whatever godhead you subscribe to.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How you get to the starting point doesn't really matter. It's from the starting point of the journey to it's end that a teleportation device would not help much with.
dividezero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, i wasn't sure. everything i've watched about it, they always like to tie the trip to mecca as part of the hajj. poetic license and all that i guess. i can see it. then again, if we could teleport, that could still fulfill that component since one minute you're in a filthy teleport terminal in LA and the next you're in mecca. that's going to give you some spiritual mojo probably.
matallic ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:55:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure they ban teleportation into the holy land. Probaly a you'll have to walk into Mecca rule.
SmallTownJerseyBoy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:09:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One doesn't simply WALK into Mecca..
mistermasterman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:11:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who went to Mecca during non-peak times and almost got trampled, that would be a nightmare
courtoftheair ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:40:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is going every year a thing? I got the impression it was a once-in-your-life event
Skirtsmoother ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:19:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, you must go once, but nothing is preventing you from going as many times as you wish.
Marx0r ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're supposed to go every year if feasible, but definitely at least once in your life.
jakobtheheccindoofus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mecca would have a seasonal population that peaks at about 2 billion
brickmack ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:07:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its already pretty huge. People get crushed to death there by the crowds
dividezero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:23:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
have you seen the size of the place? and the new buildings they're finishing up? that clocktower is a massive behemoth and it looks like the new stuff is even bigger. they've already got to be close to that number.
blastfromtheblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:19:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i also don't think it would be as big of a problem to begin with. let's reframe this, what's really happening here is teleportation further reduces the costs (time as well as money) of travel. and the assumption given here is that eventually this cost will be negligible for everyone.
in between then and now, as costs continue to decrease, more and more people will gradually be able to afford it. many people will be content with seeing an attraction once and never going back. and you know how many people never see the tourist attractions in their own city until someone else visits? now the entire world is as accessible as your own city, and there is nobody who could "visit" who doesn't have exactly the same access. demand will never be as chaotic as it would be if travel costs were suddenly reduced to 0 for everyone all at once.
additionally, now it doesn't matter where you live because you can teleport to work. you can teleport to your extended family. you can teleport to your favorite restaurant in the entire world. this also means you can start your own restaurant in the middle of nowhere and, if it's good enough, it could still be packed every night. ditto for every other business or tourist attraction.
and consider that overcrowded areas are undesirable. nobody likes waiting in line, especially when you can just teleport somewhere else that's pretty much just as good with less of a wait. and this opens up some possibilities that were hampered by location before, so i'd expect there to be more attractions per capita.
so given all that, i think things will tend to be less crowded overall. mecca is still a valid point though. i guess they would just have to make it bigger.
Gammro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleport around the kaaba 7 times and be back before supper
Fytzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to my guide for the last few weeks of hiking in the Atlas Mtns, there's already a system in place for pilgrimages, almost like a lottery. They tend to choose people who are older, so my guide's parents went last year after 20 years of putting their names forwards, and then went as the village's selection.
Eulerich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:46:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honest Question - would instant teleportation still be considered a pilgrimage?
cable5navaldive ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or to the world trade center
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:54:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, as long as you avoid Mount Maunganui in the summer. Place is packed like the Gold Coast at that time grumble grumble good old days grumble
Duckism ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:26:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly doubt it would be packed. On the country, I think any city will become so much more empty. Imagine if you can just step in a portal you can get anywhere. People could live any where on earth and still be able to enjoy the benefits of the urban existence. They wouldn't want to be all crowded inside cities and would live anywhere they want.
Vandechoz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:51:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would assume the teleportation centers, due to their insane cost, would be in the cities, though. So you'd want to live somewhat nearby, just like with airports today.
Duckism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there's still a lot of factors unknown about this tech. If the price is too high most people just can't hop around and crowd anywhere.
The--Incident ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:39:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, cities in general might see a decrease in residents. But tourist attractions like the Eiffel Tower or the Louvre would be an unmanageable mess. They are packed now, just imagine if anyone of the 7 billion people on earth could just show up.
Teleportation sounds amazing, but it would end up being a god damn logistical nightmare.
lazarus78 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:47:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buy a ticket for a specific time to see the Louvre, then teleport somewhere else while you wait. No need to stand in line and muck things up.
The--Incident ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you choosing the Louvre, the next available time slot is December 25, 2030. Shall I book this for you?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:18:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, just prepare the Hoverboard.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, it might be spread out enough. If you can got anywhere for a casual weekend there is relatively little need to plan it out ahead. The vacation/tourism season would cease to exist.
The--Incident ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's just say the vacation/tourism season is over a 3 month period or a 1/4 of the year. For those 3 months, every popular tourist attraction is packed (Most are packed even year round but let's stick to 1/4 of the year). Now consider the extremely low amount of the world's population that has the time and means to visit these sites in their lives (1 out of 10/25/50?). Giving everyone the time/means to travel to these sites would easily make up for making the tourist season a 24/7/365 affair. It would be hell on earth, and no booking system could help it.
Duckism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am pretty sure they'd stop people just popping in whenever they want in area.
M_Binks ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donno; people are funny... if you've ever talked to someone who lives in a 'tourist town'; a lot of the locals only bother to see their 'thing' when friends come to town, or not at all.
Something about having an attraction right at your doorstep makes it less attractive; or at least makes you less likely to take time out of your life to experience it as something special.
I wonder if having full, easy access to everything wouldn't have the opposite effect - a decrease in tourism to many sites.
Or, to put it maybe a bit differently - if everybody can go up Everest, why bother going up Everest?
The--Incident ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:51:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hear you but I would think the majority of people living in tourist towns have already done the touristy stuff and that's why they only go when out-of-town friends come in. I lived in San Diego for 23 years and would only go to the zoo/balboa/sea world/etc. when friends were in town but that was because I've gone to each multiple times in my life.
To make another counter, would you say tourism has increased since the airplane was invented? Each transportation revolution increases people's opportunity to travel and people have seized that opportunity each time.
wheeliebarnun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just about to make this point. I think a likely cause is because people like doing cool shit... that they can then tell everyone else about. So, you live in New York and you've seen the Statue of Liberty.. no shit.. so has the rest of the state.
lazarus78 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:45:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you could get anywhere at any time, then wouldn't crowds be more spread out? You would no longer need to book long vacations, and you could be in and out of an area in an hour and back home for dinner.
The--Incident ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if you wanted to pop in for a second and see the Eiffel Tower or Louvre from a distance and then go home. The average person probably spends 4+ hours at the Louvre though.
8-9 million people a year visit the Louvre without teleportation. And the thing is packed the majority of the time with long lines. Spreading out crowds would be impossible even if only China had the teleportation technology.
lazarus78 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how would le lines be if you didn't have to wait in them directly? You could go see many other things and be back instantly, much like the fastpass at Disneyland.
The--Incident ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say a fast pass system that could handle 7 billion people for thousands of locations around the world would be almost as great of a technological marvel as the instant teleportation.
Even with out lines, you'll still spend hours in the Louvre (hell it takes 10-20 minutes just to push your way to the front of the mob to see the Mona Lisa). Your fast pass would be for 10 years in the future.
Buwaro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:55:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using a teleporter would be awesome for going to work though. I can live in my home town and work in Montana for the money. I could drive anywhere on my days off because the roads wouldn't be anywhere near as packed. I love road trips, hate traffic, so it would be awesome to take the scenic route in favor of just teleporting places like a lot of people would do.
The entire world would change. Cities wouldn't have to be massive overpopulated concrete jungles anymore, you can live anywhere and work anywhere.
The--Incident ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, it would be awesome in a lot of respects. 1/2 the world would probably work in teleportation logistics and maintenance. Which is probably a good thing because the hotel and current transportation industries would be crushed.
Buwaro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would still stay in hotels, there's something about sleeping in the town you're visiting that makes it better. However I could see where most people would just opt to teleport home and save the money. Maybe a 5 star hotel would be affordable for me by then.
The--Incident ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I would only use it to get there and then stay in a hotel. The 4 and 5 star hotels would probably be fine. But motels and budget hotels would go belly up. Probably a lot of Hiltons and Marriotts too because business travel would be almost non-existent.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's okay because new zealanders iwll also get to enjoy going to other people's countries faster
kaukamieli ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:02:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone already visited them. They would be empty. People reading this new game of thrones book.
_bentroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... what?
kaukamieli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it has come out by then. Point is, people would still travel to fantasy worlds after the shine of being able to visit all the tourist traps goes out.
HBlight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TheRealLee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets be realistic, when people have easy access to those kinds of landmarks, they will be less likely to go there. how often do you visit historical, artistic, or any type of local tourist spot where you live? Do you even know what all of them are?
The--Incident ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you're being realistic. You think we will bring this amazing technology of teleportation to the masses but no one will really use it?
Airplanes gave everyone people access to other parts of the world and tourist destinations more than ever before. Do you really think tourism to landmarks (foreign and domestic) have gone down since then? Due to the ease of use (assuming it's easy) teleportation would increase world travel exponentially.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele-fragging would also be a huge concern.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele-fragging would also be a huge concern.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele-fragging would also be a huge concern.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele-fragging would also be a huge concern.
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele-fragging would also be a huge concern.
GauntletsofRai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like they would be less frequented in large amounts, if you get my meaning. If everyone can go literally anywhere on earth instantly, a lot of people will be going to lots more different places at the same time. I think it would become more of a grocery store crowd than a tourist crowd. So more traffic, but more evenly spread out.
RustyCraftKnife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I live on the new Zealand coastline. Just a kinda scrap part of it. (Not long drive/bike/walk to a nice part though)
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 999 points ยท Posted at 14:14:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the experience of travel though, like just walking around a country and noticing the small things
bem13 ยท 1134 points ยท Posted at 14:25:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but I'd be happy if I could skip the "getting there" part.
rad2themax ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 14:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ugh I was just in Europe and flying IcelandAir was great, but when I had to switch to Aigle Azur for the last two hours in the nightmare airport of Orly, I was so done with air travel. If I have to fly over 8 hours to get somewhere, I'll splurge for either non-stop or business class. I'm worth more than that shit.
However, if you're ever flying around Canada, I strongly recommend Air North. Best flight experience I've ever had. Lots of fresh food, warm cookies, comfy chairs, nice staff, lots of space. Definitely my favorite airline.
bem13 ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:43:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently did a ~15 hour Budapest-Beijing-Tokyo flight, then an ~18 hour one back. You do reach the "please just kill me" stage pretty soon lol. Teleportation would be so neat.
rad2themax ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:46:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or even just knockout gas. If I could get 100% unconscious upon boarding and then woken up when we land. That would be perfect.
(I can't take sleeping pills and even then you end up in a godawful position trying to get comfortable and you wake up too early. I want like the cryogenic pods in SciFi)
bem13 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:50:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I highly recommend you read "The Jaunt" by Stephen King, if you haven't yet. Okay, the knockout gas has another purpose there but it's a pretty good story.
EvryMthrF_ngThrd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:12:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link, for the curious.
thebandgap ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow... That story was amazing. Thanks for the recommendation! Here's a link to "the Jaunt" for anyone else that wants a look
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:31:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strap in to a pod standing up, then they tilt the pods back at 45 degrees and knock you out.
When you wake up, you're free of cricks in the neck, DVT or any other travel annoyances.
rad2themax ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:44:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the DREAM
giulynia ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:05:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aha, we usually call it xanax.
rad2themax ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:50:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, my last flight, I took a xanax, a CBD pill and a white wine, which usually fucks me right up and gives me an amazing sleep. But my seat was so uncomfortable and the windows were burning (I had a window seat on purpose) At one point I just started to cry because I had 6 hours left and I couldn't sleep and I was so tired and done and in so much pain.
The_Lion_Jumped ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which should be readily available on all flights
wraithscelus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is the true purpose of that drug.
AccioMotherfucker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the true purpose was to get fuckin' wrecked.
wraithscelus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that's what they originally developed it for.
Packers91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bribe the pilot to open the plane's outflow valve a teeny bit more. It'll have most people napping pretty quick.
llamaesunquadrupedo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:34:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When my dad was in the RAAF he would occasionally have to transport civilians in his Hercules. Babies do not like travelling in a Hercules because it's noisy and uncomfortable, so he'd reduce oxygen levels eeeever so slightly, the baby would stop crying and go to sleep and he'd turn it back up again.
AirieFenix ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean you took a plane from Budapest to Tokyo and immediately after you arrived you took a plane back? That's sad.
I know about long travels (Cรณrdoba-Buenos Aires-Amstedam-Barcelona was like 16 hours of flying plus some airport time in between; also I lost a flight Milan-Berlin, spent 12 hours in the airport for the next plane, plus some 8+ hours bus and trains).
I'm just saying I know the feeling, however, the point is with a teleportation device we, lazy humans as we are, would probably end up avoiding all commuting to the point of "hey I want to know the Eiffel Tower" whoosh teleports himself from his bedroom to the very top of the Eiffel Tower and back to the grossery store. I know I'd do it and I'd lose a lot in doing so.
EDIT: wording.
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Goddamn. In 12 hours you could have driven to Berlin from MIlan. :(
AirieFenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, pretty much. It was a logistical nightmare.
bem13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, not immediately back, what would be the point of that? I stayed in Japan for two weeks.
hrgilbert ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been on multiple 20+ hour flights, none of them non-stop or business class. You get restless and a little frustrated but honestly, it's not that bad. Just make sure you fill up your time like you would any other day โ a couple hours of sleep, some reading, maybe a little work, a season of television, a few walks, going to the washroom and brushing your teeth, etc. Before you know it you're landing!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O rly?
withrootsabove ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya rly
JETAlone01 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ryanair. Never again. I don't care if it was less than $100 round trip. Never again.
ApolloniusDrake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I'm in the Yukon right now visiting my aunt. She's been talking about how much she loves Air North. Now I am actually curious lol.
rad2themax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually so good. When I flew from Inuvik to Edmonton, I ended up with like 4 meals and you get a warmed cookie half way and near the end of your flight. The stewards have a wide variety of uniforms and comfortable footwear which I think leads to better service and it's just wonderful. Yes you don't get a movie or anything, but you often get the row to yourself and the inflight magazine is pretty good. If they could implement the inflight charging stations that IcelandAir has, and a movie it would be the perfect airline.
The seat sales are also AMAZING! If you're planning to go anywhere they fly, make sure you get an alert for the seat sales. You'll save a bundle!
I swear I don't work for them, I've just been on a lot of shitty airplanes and I was so so happy to find an airline that didn't suck.
ApolloniusDrake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't think you worked for them. You had some good service and thought you would spread the news.
Budderboy153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, it's Canadian!
rad2themax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but Air Canada sucked the last time I flew them (which granted was probably more than 10 years ago) WestJet's ok... But nothing amazing. Canadian North is fine, but not amazing. AirNorth and Iceland Air are my top two airlines and if they could combine into a super airline that offers great food, warm cookies, great service, entertainment and a charging port, I would be ecstatic.
TAP out of Portugal was surprisingly great as well.
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TAP is so good
Thinkdamnitthink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Azur aigle, the plane that was promised
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
O RLY?
un-salt ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:30:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โFor me, the most important spaces to be are the spaces in betweenโฆlike in airports or lobbies of hotelsโwhen youโre leaving one space and you arrive to another space. Before you start to make new habits youโre really open to destinyโฆyouโre more perceptiveโฆyou see things.โ Marina Abramovic
Pomguo ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:01:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but when things are easily visitable at any time, you never seem to find the time. So many people never see the great sights on their backdoor but tick off every one when on holiday. The time and effort and money investment seem to be important, as does the scarcity (the "if I don't do it now I may never do it" vs the "eh I can do this whenever")
AirieFenix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:00:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a living paradox.
I first noticed this very same thing while taking my first German tandem-partner to show her my city. I quickly realized I didn't really know my city more than "there are some bars here and there", very few things about its history.
giulynia ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:04:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest advantage here would probably be for people who have loved ones all over the place. Sure, we have it great now because we can facetime and whatnot but if you could just travel great distances in an instant it would be so awesome for all the people who can't really be with each other. Bonus would be it would kill most of the transportation means we use now, which are heavily polluting our air.
AirieFenix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I can't argue against that.
SquatchOut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like if there were teleporter stations like airports. Just skip the actual long travel part.
AirieFenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then you had PSA scanns and security and stuff. I'd pretty much prefer avoiding all that instead of the air time :P
TheAmazingCoconut ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, so fast travel eh. Yeah I wish the devs implemented that too, would be useful for some things!
Caboose106 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And as someone who as a borderline phobia of flying, but loves to travel, I would love the shit out of it.
ZT_63 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and the "getting your ass kicked by united airlines" part
crnext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ME THREE
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the fact you can go across the world in under 24 hrs is quite amazing.
akroe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you my dad? Because he's been saying that for years. There's loads of places he would like to see but he detests the journey. He wishes for a tele-timemachine like prof. Barabas has in Suske en Wiske (Spike and Suzy)
hates_poopin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy just getting to work everyday using teleportation.
Ajgi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah as a New Zealander that would be very nice. It takes over 12 hours to get to the US from here and almost 30 to get to Europe.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly!
matthew0517 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean we took it from 3 months to 8 hours- fewer back when the Concord flew. I don't think transportation is the big challenge at this point.
algorerhythm35 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until you look at space! Image a 6 month journey to Mars in only 8 hours!
AirieFenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to visit Mars as much as anybody else but... I mean, there are so many places to visit here in Earth before seriously starting to think about space travel.
Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cost and getting time off work though. Seems like a waste of time and money to just pop over to Japan for a weekend.
bald_sampson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i kind of disagree, i think having to go through the process of getting there is part of what makes travel so special
playmethesongoftime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To those who are all like 'Love the journey', I'm like 'no'. Nobody loves a 23 hour layover. Fuuuuck all that.
robmox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fuck 3 hours at the airport and 12 hours in the sky. Wake up, roll out of bed, BOOM I'm in Hawaii.
l00pee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially if you're 6'5" flying coach.
frost_knight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There'd be money to be made in the "slow travel" business if teleportation was the norm. If everyone could instantly travel to just about anywhere in the world there might be a market for folks who want to savor the journey.
"Winding Road, Inc.: Where getting there is half the fun."
Phazon2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what makes it satisfying to arrive. If you could visit the world instantaneously the adventure and allure of travelling would eventually cease.
International trade tho...
FatherServo ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:40:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the thing is you wouldn't lose that.
what you'd gain is the ability to live anywhere, work anywhere, go anywhere at a moment's notice. it removes geographical barriers entirely.
randomguy3993 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:43:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well teleportation is not just about tourism isn't. It'll literally change every other industry. Want food? Teleport it to your house. Business meetings? Directly hop into their offices. Hell, you could even work from home everyday. That would be awesome IMO.
DanceWithTheDevil_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If teleporting was a thing, that would benefit you too! Traveling would feel way less crowded and more open for people that love the travel, and everyone else can just get where they want to go.
aresvallis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:39:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you on this, I love the journey- looking out of the window on trains, aeroplanes and cars, watching unfamiliar landscapes roll by. I just wish it was more affordable! It's not teleportation I want, it's the freedom of low cost travel. If that could be achieved in my lifetime, I'd die happy.
tunnel-snakes-rule ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:04:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who just spent the last 24 hours in planes or airports I strongly disagree with that sentiment.
aresvallis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn ok, fair enough. 24 hours is pushing it, I think I'd struggle to find that fun. Good job on surviving it!
tunnel-snakes-rule ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's cool, it comes with the territory of living on a giant island in the middle of nowhere, AKA Australia.
On the other hand, now I'm in Scotland which makes the grueling trip worthwhile
audigex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:52:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like walking around after I extract myself from my economy class seat.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:29:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You used to like driving to and walking around in Blockbuster Video too...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed. I'm afraid travel that accessible and fast would take the value and specialness out of travel.
heylookmatt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best part with the idea of teleportation is you could choose your travelling bits. Similarly, if we had teleportation I wouldn't teleport straight from my kitchen to work. I'd probably teleport to some point a 10 or 15 minute walk away and walk the rest of the way. Some commute is still valuable for decompressing before/after work. Similar thing with travel... I'd teleport to skip the transoceanic flights, but still do lots of walking and trains in between most likely. (if the rail industry hadn't been impaled by "cheap teleportation")
lye_milkshake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No matter how awesome a new technology is we'll find a way to complain about it.
NotYourAverageTomBoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that is expensive. Plus, I doubt just because there would be instant travel that they'd stop allowing any other forms.
greymalken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but flying sucks a HUGE dick.
EveryPixelMatters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you enjoy the destinstion. Travel is the part where you have to spend hours in order to get somewhere that teleportation would turn into minutes.
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I like the down time of airports and train stations actually. I consider it part of the experience
EveryPixelMatters ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure you'll be allowed to spend time in trains and planes when teleportation is developed.
vtelgeuse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10+ hours on a plane isn't much of an experience. Just life wasted.
You can still have the experience of going to the teleport, checking in, making sure everything is in order, waiting to get through security (ever see a teleporter blow up? Messy), getting to your gate so that your teleport bay can be recalibrated to the next destination... then zappo. Now you're on the other side, time to queue up for border control, customs...
SirPsychoSexy22 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I'll take an airplane to New Zealand, but if I could teleport to work every day, it would make my life
Superbuddhapunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But be back home for dinner :)
duecebravo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My buttocks would greatly prefer to not sit in an airplane for over 20 hours
datalies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simply choose not to use the teleporter, and go the long way if ya like.
RiotSloth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've read 'Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance', right? ๐ค๐
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never heard of it
RiotSloth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should look it up, it's very in tune with your philosophy. It was a 'cult' book in the seventies
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:00 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually started reading this book recently :)
RiotSloth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:12 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good stuff! Enjoying it? It's a nice gentle book that helps you get perspective doesn't it?
RiotSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:30 on October 6, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good stuff! Enjoying it? It's a nice gentle book that helps you get perspective doesn't it?
Raichu7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could take a day trip to the other side of the world to walk around without needing a long plane journey.
phoinixpyre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but imagine instead of an airport it's a port2 (port port). You get all the experience of airport bullshit without the 8 hour flight!
prattastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not travel, that's exploring. Travel is the fourteen hours you spend on a plane to get there. Fuck travel.
masculine_manta_ray ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the key point here is cost > speed. Traveling across seas is incredibly expensive:( I don't mind the long flights, I mind the $2000+ I have to spend on a plane ticket.
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really expensive if you buy your tickets weeks in advance. Traveling to Italy costed me about 500 dollars.
marco262 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If everyone who hates travel gets teleportation, your regular travel methods will get a lot less crowded.
bart9h ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For getting to know new places, the experience of travel is great indeed. But for some place you already know, and just want to came back there, it would be great to be able to teleport.
Also, there's the daily commute, or visiting relatives with the same old 5 hours road trip you already made a hundred times before.
-0-7-0- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah but airplanes are total ass.
Bootsacklemore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, the thing you notice every time to stop to pee?
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CODESIGN2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's great, you can not use it then. How is your enjoyment a reason for others to suffer through your preferred experience?
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first word in my comment was "I."
Drudicta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can do that AFTER you teleport. Besides, some people would teleport just to fuck.
Taftimus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've obviously never had to deal with the TSA
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would any American at an airport not deal with them
damnNamesAreTaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone who is 6'5" I'd like to skip the flight. The walking around is nice though.
woo545 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hard to notice much on a 12 hour flight where they require you to keep the shades down.
obviousflamebait ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great. Then go do that and don't bother the teleporting folks.
__KODY__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:15:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why wouldn't you be able to do that once you get there?
LowlySlayer ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 14:34:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As far as I know the most feasible method of teleportation involves ripping you apart and reconstructing you exactly the same elsewhere. Which is basically cloning so...
Deathly_Raven ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 15:02:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleporters would be basically the suicide booths from Futurama but would pop out a copy of you wherever your now-dead original wanted to go.
LowlySlayer ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:10:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not exactly. Let's assume you believe in the human soul, because otherwise their isn't a reason to be against it if your exact copy shares all of your memories and experiences. The spooky particles used in this form of teleportation copy literally every thing, including energies and data within the particles. Assuming the soul is manifest in anyway it too would be reconstructed. Is it a copy now? Has your previous soul departed for an afterlife? I want to see teleportation invented just so smarter people than me will really discuss this.
Edit: I'm sorry if I offended some people with the terminology I used. I'm not saying soul as in specifically the religious use (although I did bring up afterlife, I only brought it up as it's important to enough people to be worth mentioning), simply that it's something that exists that makes you "you." Someone disagreed with me and said "consciousness," but the point is the same. Don't downvote me just because the word soul offends your evangelicaly atheist sensibilities.
LoLTerryP ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:23:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The concept of consciousness is the problem here. You don't need to believe in a supernatural "soul". Our consciousness exists, and it's tough to research.
It doesn't matter if the human that steps out of the other end of a teleporter has all your memories, experiences and is a perfect copy of yours in every other way too, if your consciousness is not in this body. This human would be a perfect copy of yours, even it's consciousness might be a perfect clone of yours ... but it would not be you, the person, the consciousness who reads this comment right now.
Oracle_at_Delphi ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:13:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that assumes that your consciousness is an ethereal part of your being and not a manifestation of your physical self.
LoLTerryP ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:01:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, and so far science isn't really far on this topic, from what I know .. maybe we know more in a few
yearsdecades![deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LoLTerryP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My idea on this is that there's some kind of continuity. You can swap out atoms and cells just fine, that doesn't disturb the flow of the greater whole, since it's used to this constant state of flux. It justs continues. But in the teleportation example this continuity is not only interrupted, it's one process that ends and another that begins. That's why I see it the way I do.
It's not the same consciousness that continues after the break, it's another one, albeit identical in every way.
SomniferousSleep ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I solve this with a little mental gymnastics.
I already think of myself as the woman who will have stepped out of the teleporter.
LoLTerryP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, in the end it's nothing but theoretical talk anyways, so go you? :D
urasinner ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:19:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is called the teletransportation paradox and as far as I'm aware it's both unsolved and unsolvable... so we don't really know if your subjective experience carries through the teleportation or if the original "you" (that is, your original stream of consciousness) ceases only to be replaced by a new "you" who shares all of your memories and believes himself to be the old "you".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletransportation_paradox
DeaconNuno ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's still you, but since it's impossible to transfer this you, you're dead and that you is alive.
Let's say we were able to perfectly replace half of one's body like Mecha Frieza in Dragon Ball Z. So you're split down the middle and each half of your body/brain is kept perfectly intact. Which half has your consciousness? Since the two halves no longer communicate, but are both undeniably you, you've just split into two distinct selves. Same thing, except in the teleporter scenario, one was obliterated.
ZergAreGMO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would it be unsolvable? Any evidence of subjective experience in other people right now is already hard enough to come by, but it's still assumed of others. I'm not sure why it wouldn't simply apply to the You in a new location. It's not like that body has any different qualities.
Edit: Really? Downvoted for having a discussion?
urasinner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, as you correctly point out we don't even KNOW for sure that your copy has subjective experience (or anyone, for that matter)... but we can assume that.
But that's not what I'm talking about, even if it does have subjective experience it's subjective experience might have begun the moment of teleportation while yours ended, permanently, at the same moment.
edit: I upvoted you :)
ZergAreGMO ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that any different, qualitatively, from moment-to-moment existence currently? Basically, what can we do to actually distinguish from the bolded portions for this clone and non-clone any more than myself now and five minutes ago?
urasinner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. I'm not arguing one way or the other, I'm saying it's possible we can never know for sure.
Some people argue continuity of consciousness, and that we are still to some degree conscious even during sleep/anesthesia, but having our body (most importantly our brain) broken down into it's most fundamental constituents would end that, just like decomposition after death.
There are a lot of very interesting thought experiments about this topic. What if before you die of natural biological causes your EXACT brain pattern, to the last subatomic particle, is recorded and then reproduced a thousand years later... would it seem to you that you skipped forward in time, having no recollection of any experience after the recording was made but before your original death?
ZergAreGMO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's definitely an interesting thought experiment. Without any more information on consciousness it seems pretty impossible to advance one way or the other.
I'm not sure if I'd be up to using the teleporter, but probably more out of concern it's not as perfect as you'd need or expect it to be. It'd be interesting to see what sort of errors a body could tolerate (e.g. misplaced atom here and there, and so forth). I think from an identity/consciousness perspective I wouldn't mind.
LoLTerryP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL. That shit has boggled my mind since I was a kid. Thanks for the link!
spupy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, the "See Also" section seems mildly spoiler-ish for a game I intended to play soon. :|
CreederMcNasty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be my prerequisite for using any teleportation. They would need to be able to quantify the "soul" (I guess the part that makes me different from a perfect functioning clone of me, if we both "are" we aren't the same "me")
Your point of the soul being manifested physically sounds like the preferred scenario that I would love to be the case, but I want the evidence for that and some precautions taken before I step through it.
What if the soul isn't manifested physically in our bodies? What if somehow there is a more metaphysical link between us (our brain et al), and our "being"? A link that could be "severed" when you are de-atomized, but only "pasted" at the other end.
I'm not saying there is such a link, but we don't know nearly enough about our brains and consciousness to say there isn't.
kenjutsudude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those are my thoughts on the matter, too. If teleportation comes within my lifetime, I certainly won't be using it unless they can prove it won't kill me and create what is essentially a perfect replica. I've made it this far in life with conventional travel, so I'll be just fine not using teleporters.
Bring on the self-driving cars, though.
MyPackage ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:30:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The game "Soma" deals with this concept extensively
nerevisigoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would it leave a corpse behind at the departure point?
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leave your magic at home.
merlinfire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we don't even really understand what makes you "you", in the sense that you experience your consciousness and not someone else. and since the newly constructed being would be you in every way, even if your consciousness became his and you ceased to be, how would you be able to test this? it's a real conundrum
Compizfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. With teleportation the original is destroyed, while with cloning the original is left intact.
And it turns out that 'perfect cloning' of all physical information contained in an object is fundamentally impossible. But teleportation is not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owPC60Ue0BE
LowlySlayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I thought his issue with cloning was less the original copy existing, but rather the new one being a separate entity. I might have misinterpreted his point though.
Compizfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, could be.
My comment was just a slightly pedantic remark about the comparison to cloning, because interestingly enough in a quantum mechanical context this makes quite a difference.
Qlinkenstein ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:20:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that, those places are crowded enough with rude a-holes, right now as it is.
msg45f ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would have a hard time convincing me that the teleportation device didn't just kill the occupant and create an exact clone elsewhere. I don't think I would risk it.
ZeneParker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:45:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't need to see the world. I'd settle for ditching my commute to work every day.
urasinner ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but teleportation = death.
(this was a bit tongue in cheek, I'm not sure where I stand on this but if you want to learn more look up the teletransportation paradox... it might not actually be death, and it might be impossible to ever know).
Natdaprat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:02:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simplistic but not inaccurate. It's not death in the traditional sense.
CombatMagic ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:37:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can sugar coat it however you want, but teleportation means the death of the person entering such deconstruction process...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Raldo21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that's a a gradual process that doesn't involve instant death. If all of your atoms are ripped apart, you die. Doesn't matter what happens to them after that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Raldo21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, in my mind, the answer to this boils down to the answer to two questions: 1. (to go along with your question) If you shed a skin cell, and then get a new one, do you die? (the answer obviously being "no.") 2. (my fear, here) If all of your atoms are ripped apart in a single moment, do you die? (I'd argue "yes," here, ignoring what happens later, for a moment)
So now that you're presumably dead, I'm not sure it matters if those atoms are reassembled perfectly somewhere. I think it'd just be a perfect copy of you. I still think the original is dead.
NotSoCheezyReddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The key is truly in consciousness. The brain is one part of the body that does not replace itself over time, and it contains all that makes you yourself: primarily, memories. If teleported, you would be ripped to shreds entirely (yes, killed) and rebuilt on the other end. And even if that copy is a perfect clone of the original that looks and acts exactly the same, it still is a copy. To anyone else, there is no change, and in fact the clone thinks there is nothing wrong at all. But your consciousness is dead to you and you alone, replaced by an organic robot that truly, deeply believes it is you, and will therefore have the very same fate occur to it on the trip back home.
JackSaysHello ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I say it would have to be death and rebirth? This gets pretty physiological. There is also the idea of creating a "tear" or "warp" in space time, where an object could move great distance using the "warp"
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:36 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The facts are, information is mass-less, and can achieve much faster speeds than something with mass. But teleportation isn't MOVING, it's being in one place and then being in another, instantly.
urasinner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:26 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure how you think this relates to what I said... did you reply to the wrong person?
Also, you're wrong. According to everything we currently know even information cannot travel faster than the speed of light despite being mass-less. (of course I'm being pedantic about your use of the word instantly... perhaps you didn't mean to imply this...)
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:41 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I might have been too vague there, but it was indeed addressed to you. I was implying that tele=death thing was only if you didn't teleport, but instead cloned yourself in a new location and killed the original. That process is NOT teleportation, it's cloning yourself.... at a different location...... and killing yourself..... You're the one who doesn't understand my friend. Think nightcrawler from X-men. He doesn't throw clones around and suicide like a Meseek from RnM. He changes location and ignores laws of physics. I'm not saying we can ignore them, but a workaround must be possible at some point.
I can't stress this enough, teleportation is changing location without moving. No clones, no information transfer, no construction or deconstruction. Stand still, push button, you are now in Italy. No breakdown of molecules or atoms. You are somewhere, then the same YOU is somewhere new. Like a wormhole, but quicker.
If this doesn't make sense with science, then we don't have all the pieces of the puzzle. Or it might never work, but saying "it will NEVER work" is the most ignorant thing ever.
Poops_McYolo ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:17:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could VR it. Close enough?
yumyumgivemesome ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:51:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would agree. Improvements in VR such that it is almost as good as the real thing are much more feasible. In many ways, the VR experience will be even better, such as being able to climb up the walls and ceilings of the Sistine Chapel and La Sagrada Familia to look around.
lungabow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:02:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't see how someone could think this. No amount of VR could ever be as good as the real thing, or even close.
Why not just look at iconic places on Google Images if that's all you want to do?
LoLTerryP ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Combine androids with VR. Remotely controlled bodies, forwarding what their senses experience to you.
VR right now is in it's infancy, but it's gonna get much bigger, more immersive, more perfect.
lungabow ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just go there.
I feel like you've lost all sense of practically and pragmatism when you decide you want to play Avatar.
LoLTerryP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if it takes you years to get there versus a practically instant experience through VR?
yumyumgivemesome ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you tried the current VR? I haven't, but the reviews sound pretty awesome so far. And it's only getting better. I read a story about a guy who showed his dad the VR of flying through space and the dad cried because he had wanted to be an astronaut since he was a kid. While I agree and, therefore, specifically said it would be only "almost as good as the real thing," that story is just one example of how it will also be better than the real thing. We won't be able to fly through space like that in our lifetimes. And if we could, it wouldn't be at speeds where we'd be able to see several different planets in anything less than the time span of months, much less minutes.
lungabow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't see how you could possibly consider it better than going to these places unless you've never been or you've never been anywhere that you wanted to go.
VR is cool, but fairly gimmicky and it will never replace some things.
FlipskiZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're dead wrong. Just wait until VR gets good enough and popular. The tech will shoot up to the sky.
Aeikon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I own a Vive. It is the furthest thing from a gimmick that you can get. When are in it you are there. You have completed spatial awareness, and it's very easy to forget you are in a room.
The only drawbacks is you are in a room, so you can't wonder around freely. Virtual smell and touch are also lacking, but there has been experiments in it. It's only a matter of time.
yumyumgivemesome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are missing the point. Of course the in-person experience is better in so many ways. However, you have to admit that visiting in person would not allow you to climb the walls of the Sistine Chapel to inspect the details of the paintings or look around the chapel from different perspectives. So maybe the overall experience is better in person, but if a person is handicapped, bed-ridden, has poor vision, is fascinated by the details of the artwork, etc etc et-fucking-c, then they and others may actually consider the VR experience to be better.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With this attitude it's no wonder the human race has made any progress at all.
lungabow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:43:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excuse me for wanting us to develop clean energy and better, cheaper medicine before pissing about with lazy man's tourism.
There is genuinely no way for us to properly experience something like the Sistine Chapel etc without going there in person or as a brain in a vat, which is sci-fi bollocks and will be for generations. I could only see this being useful for disabled people, which is of course fantastic, but you can't get the real experience without going there, and it's hardly going to be a cheaper option anyway.
Geta-Ve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making such an absolute statement doesn't help at all. There's no way, YET. or there's no way, THAT YOU KNOW OF. or, there's no way, YOU CAN IMAGINE.
sysop073 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:48:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems like a pretty bold claim; how can you possibly know where VR technology will be in the future. It seems plausible that one day we could have VR that's indistinguishable from reality
lungabow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:49:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a far bolder claim to suggest that some matrix style, full senses VR is possible in our lifetimes, or even our grandchildren's.
killslash ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:59:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You said "ever". Also I'm sure people thought the same about moon landing or personal computers and smartphones
lungabow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fine, I don't think it'll happen ever. It's basically a brain in a vat that you're asking for, that's well past VR
DoktoroKiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be better than being dead while your evil teleporter clone walks around the historic site in your place ;P
kingeryck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clone yourself, VR your mind into the clone. That way you aren't being disintegrated and reassembled somewhere else.
notafuckingcakewalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:26 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, if all you want to do is look at said monument and leave, VR would be much better). Basically, just wait for Ubisoft to port all of its Assassin Creed titles to a VR headset and you're good to go.
CODESIGN2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The recording would require massive improvements in sensor tech though. I love the idea of VR/AR, but right now it's sound and sight. btw I know everyone that says AR means their crap demos of making things appear that are not there, but I mean I want smell, but maybe not the smell of the place I'm visiting. What about taste? What about touch?
I'd love to see it get off the ground though.
TerminalHydreigon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a VR nose thing that I forgot the name of. You can google it it'll probably show up.
CODESIGN2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seen it. At the end of the day, they will crack it. I Just won't be the first to buy one.
Edit: the idea is apparently very old https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell-O-Vision
merlinfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR with full haptic response suits with the ability to transmit feelings of texture and pressure, temperature, tactile sensations. even without smell and taste it would be a tremendous experience.
My current theory, or my version of the Fermi Paradox, is that all sufficiently advanced civilizations develop reality-parity VR, and the false world of VR is so preferable, that birth rates plummet and populations go into a death spiral where even those few that continue to enjoy living outside of VR find it to be a depressing reality from which they choose to escape.
WeAreAllApes ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyperport Teleportation Services. 100% guaranteed not to create a clone of you and then murder the original, or your money back!
jaxel47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quite literally the plot of The Punch Escrow.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds fast, the jaunt, but really it takes longer than you think
Finger11Fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for posting this. I read that so long ago I've forgotten most of it, and now I can read it again on my lunch!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're welcome! Someone did the same thing for me, I feel like it's a good story to pass along!
TheFeshy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:12:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be willing to sail, fly, or ride to those places. What I want teleportation for is to skip the commute to work. I'd have to take a lot of vacations for vacation-teleportation to equal work commute time.
nerevisigoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Move closer to work?
jammerjoint ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:49:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In your lifetime? Not likely. Also not sure how you plan to teleport without cloning. A localized 5-dimensional hole in spacetime used for personal travel seems a bit much.
sbarto ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to be able to teleport from the couch to the bathroom and back. Without having to get up.
thesuper88 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:52:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just use it to get to and from work every day. I'd probably still find a way to barely get there on time, but I'd instantly gain an hours sleep. So that's pretty good.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War will never be the same.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We at /r/neoliberal would like you to come and be our meme king
RoboNinjaPirate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The side effects would be hilarious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Crowd
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:44:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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_boboddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was trying to think of a way of saying exactly this. Spot on, though I would say there's something valuable even in the tedium of your daily commute.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:32 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the most non-aggressive, non-insulting way possible, I don't care that you want the 21 hour car ride, eating fast food and crappy dinner foods, having to poop in dumpy rest stops, and being cramped in your car's seat for 6 hour intervals. I don't care for the crap I have to go through to get to the place I want to go to. Being sore and tired and crabby isn't going to enhance my experience at all. There is no contrast, no comparison. Its just, "wow I hated that. Oh hey! The thing I wanted to see!"
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you imagine how packed those places would be?
oshawa_connection ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:00:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's longer than you think, Dad! Longer than you think!
Pixaritdidnthappen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:31:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one that I think, if it were discovered, would never be revealed. It would dramatically change every aspect of life. Disallowing for governments to control much of anything.
bg1987 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:44:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not only that, imagine what would this do to pretty much any industry.
so much cost is involved in shipping would be gone, factory in china, warehouse in india, with teleport to any country for delivery.
If teleportation, even if just for non living objects, is invented I the world will never be the same.
great_things ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleporting scares me because you basically destroy your original self and create new one in another location. So you "die" everytime you do it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So would sleeping, anesthesia, and a coma.
great_things ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does that work? Your cells are the original same ones.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The central idea is that when you refer to yourself, you're not talking about your individual cells, molecules or atoms; you're actually referring to your consciousness, which is just a feature that emerges from the pattern of said cells/molecules/atoms. Even w/o teleportation, those individual components are constantly being replaced and phased out, but the pattern persists.
Thus, the only meaningful concept of death is the interruption of that consciousness, whether it be teleportation, sleep, or being knocked out.
This guys explains it better than I can
great_things ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:11:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that period of absent of consciousness (eg. sleep) matters. The link to your before sleep self is still there, unless it's a long enough coma that every cell and atom of your brain is replaced with new ones, and also your subconsciousness is at 0 work during that time.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That leads into a Ship of Theseus problem, where you have trouble determining where 'you' stop existing, and the other being begins. I'm guessing you assume it's when 100% of your physical composition is turned over; other argue even one incremental change. If you imagine a ship made of 100 planks, and 99 of them are replaced, would you call it that same ship as before? Is that single plank enough?
Our brain, and the emergent consciousness are both incrementally changing every moment, asleep or awake. Those back to back changes make sense as a single 'you' when you're actively conscious and awake, since you experience psychological continuity.
great_things ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think the ship problem carries to this. Of course my cells and atoms get replaced with new ones over time, that doesn't mean that my consciousness would slowly get changed too until it would be something that it wasn't in the beginning (not the original me)
In teleportation my old self is instantly effectively destroyed and new one created, that clearly breaks the chain of continuity of my original being.
superH3R01N3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck yeah. Upvote this person!
secondtolastjedi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem, I'd venture to guess, is that the kind of cell deconstruction and reconstruction you'd get with teleportation would literally kill you, or at least the "original" you and spit out a totally different person by the end. I think we'd have to also have a way of uploading your consciousness onto a separate drive whilst teleporting in order to preserve it.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:48 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a specific type, and the most feasible RIGHT NOW. I'm not talking about deconstruction, I'm talking about instantaneous translocation, true teleportation.
Creath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:35:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I wouldn't have a problem with cloning/reproduction if I retain 100% of my brain-state.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:10:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the one that came out wouldn't mind. You'd be scattered to quantum winds.
Creath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:03:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I'd say I wouldn't mind undergoing the process knowing the implications.
If the original is destroyed, and 100% of being state is preserved, I'd say that's pretty much you. Best you can really do.
notafuckingcakewalk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is literally the worst way to travel. Better, safer, and easier solution would be to make something approximating a holodeck (although probably without tactile response). That way you could see those items if that's all you care about.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:36 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally the worst way to travel... I love the wrong use of the word literally xD. Why not a boat then? Oh What's that? The Titanic you say!?..
notafuckingcakewalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:30 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it's not figuratively the worst way to travel.
How about, "This is absolutely the worst way to travel." Do you like that better?
And the issue is not the mode of transport. It's the objective of travel. There is genuinely no reason to just go and see the Eiffel tower.
If you're going to try to see all of these within a few hours then you may as well avoid going to see them altogether. Because I mean what is the point.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:52 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is the point.... hmm. What's the point of seeing the Eiffel Tower... well DUH. It's the plane ride over, stupid! You know that baby crying for 4 hours straight because the altitude is messing with his ears? THATS what I went to that pair's place or whatever, to see that eyefull tower. Sure it's big and tall I think, but remember the crying child and the man coughing in your face the whole flight?! Hell yeah!
You understand nothing about monuments, and the wonderment behind them, you romanticize TRAVEL, not sightseeing.
notafuckingcakewalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:38 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should go to Paris to see and experience Paris, not just arrive, look at the tower, and zoom off. Same with Stonehenge, etc. There is no point in just going somewhere, looking at a famous landmark you've already seen a million times before in pictures, paintings, TV. It's like the people who go to the Louvre just to see the Mona Lisa and take a picture of it. The pictures that exist of the Mona Lisa are better than any picture you're going to take. You're unlikely to be able to get that close to the painting anyway.
That is the sort of travel I have an issue with, the "let's get this off the checklist just to say we've seen it in person" sort of traveling.
Yes, the actual travel to places sucks I'll agree with that.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that I personally am romanticizing travel when sightseeing is better or something? I'm not sure I understand you.
I will say this: I have done traveling where I did sightseeing and travel where I did not, and travel when you don't try to sightsee is far better. Yes, it's good to take in the sights, but the Eiffel tower is far from the best thing to see in Paris. However you might arrive at Paris, the last thing you should do once there is zip off to the next location.
My favorite experiences in Paris:
We did walk near the Eiffel Tower. We didn't make it to the Louvre. And of course, the food. If you're not going to have at least 2-3 meals while in Paris I don't even see the point.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:04 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference here is that you are telling me how to have fun, which in turn, ruins the fun. You have to understand that your brain is your own, and other people are free to enjoy what they want, how they want and when they want. Nobody is wrong.
I took a motorcycle trip halfway across the country. I hated every single highway mile UNTIL I got there. Riding through the mountains was the most surreal, breathtaking, awe-striking experience of my life. But getting there was Hell, AND I had to ride back. The horrible ride there did not make me appreciate the mountains any more or less.
My brain compartmentalizes experiences differently than others. I disliked the ride. End of thought process. I loved riding through the mountains! Seperate thoughts, one does not Venn diagram into the other. I do not appreciate the mountains more because of the anguish I went through. And if I could go RIGHT NOW, and every day after work with a quick teleport, I would! And I know I would love it.
I get what you mean, general things to do to improve your experience there and making the most of your time, but I would LOVE to shake the, "I have a limited time!" feeling and enjoy what I want at my own pace. If I missed something? I go back TONIGHT or tomorrow afternoon.
notafuckingcakewalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:34 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. It may have just been the focus on very specific iconic landmarks. For me, I love having experiences at the destination.
And again I think I didn't make myself entirely clear. It's not the mode of transportation I have an issue with. It's the zipping somewhere and looking at a very generic landmark and then zooming on to the next stop. There are people who do that as soon as they get to a city: within the span of one day they travel from landmark to landmark, getting at most a few minutes to appreciate it. They get checklist oriented rather than soaking in wherever they are.
I hate a lot of the point A to point B stuff too.
I also hate the "limited time" feeling and in fact that was what I felt when you talked about visiting a number of landmarks all within the same few hours. I'd want a day at least for each of these.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:18 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did it! We started as semi hostile, and found a middle ground! Cheers friend, I wish you good fortune in your travels!
TimeHoax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the jobssss
DoctorMcAstronaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever read hyperion or fall of hyperion by Dan Simmons?
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The lines would be out of this world. Though.
Jitterjumper13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd have to wait 6 months before you could. Imagine the wait for the teleporter line, be worse than the damn airport.
HighSlayerRalton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just use it to get to work.
hellodeveloper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The technically challenging thing with this is getting the passport in a few hours. Everything else is already possible.
Clamlon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have all the visa's tho.
Osuwrestler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those place would instantly become overcrowded
RcNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the crowds at these places. Even if you got there quickly it takes hours to actually see the "thing" you went to see.
RcNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on the cost, it would help cut down on a lot of grid lock and traffic pollution. Live by the <your favourite place> and work at <location of work>.
Even it was the price of a flight, I wouldn't need to wait 2 days traveling for one day of meetings.
Phazon2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Trek: Everytime you transport you die.
Gr1mreaper86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, we could make it like a phone in your home. We could eliminate travel costs to the environment easily. You'd never be late for work cause of traffic. You could go the grocery and just walk into your house when you leave. Teleportation could be one of the most impactful advances to humans ever conceived if we could get it to work.
frogjg2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation is, by definition, cloning. You can't get away from it. You destroy the original object and recreate it somewhere else.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:36 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google: Define Teleportation. And copy paste what it says.
frogjg2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:36 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google is not arbiter of all knowledge. Neither is the dictionary. When it comes to sci-fi like teleportation, you need to clone the quantum state of a large collection of particles somewhere else. The only way to do this is to destroy the original configuration.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:34:53 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you lock your brain in a cage, then the cool ideas and thoughts are out of reach. "When it comes to sci-fi like teleportation, you NEED TO..." shut up with that logic. Just because 'clone-a-portation' is the most feasible, logical choice does NOT mean it is the only possible way, now and always until the end of time.
And to quote you again, "the only way to do this" holy God! This person has tried EVERY SINGLE POSSIBILITY regarding teleportation!!!? Unless you have tried literary everything, don't 'matter of factly' make outrageous claims.
Also while Google isn't the arbiter of all knowledge, it does a great job of listing definitions. You know, that thing you said about teleportation's definition being "by definition" clone-a-portation, instead of the actual one? Then you got the balls to then belittle the hard evidence against your bogus claim.
X-men is sci-fi, yet night crawler teleports. Are you telling me that Night Crawler dies every time he teleports?
frogjg2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:43 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, I'm not allowed to use "sci-fi like" in my argument, but it's OK for you to use actual science fiction examples?
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:28 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was getting at the "you NEED to clone a quantum state" part. You were telling me there was only one specific way. I only mentioned sci-fi in the quote so that you'd have enough context to understand I was quoting you.. funny that this is all you had to say though. :/
frogjg2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:07 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been shown wrong multiple times before, I don't need to repeat myself. You were using sci-fi examples long before I said it.
Farnswirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't use the word "impossible" a whole lot, but I can tell you for certain that this isn't going to happen in our lifetime and it's almost definitely impossible.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:42 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I know exactly what you mean. But I can still dream.
BLT_Special ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing all that in a few hours sounds miserable. The best Japanese temples I went to took an hour or two minimum, imo.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:10 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't mind, which were the best ones to visit? I'm planning a trip to Japan, and I'd like to know some of the better places.
BLT_Special ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:50 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PM me as a reminder. So much info to discuss.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you think that would take away from it all though? Part of why this stuff is special is because it is hard to acheive
Bitchslapqueen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to say this. It would be great!
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:24 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So cool!
fuckharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry but time travel is realistically easier to accomplish.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:56 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy isn't best, it's just easier.
fuckharvey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:56:59 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point is time travel is theoretically possible but not realistically possible (and I'm not talking about time dilated travel due to traveling near light speeds).
Teleportation, however, isn't possible because every type requires you to make a copy of the original person at the new location. So while it's the "same" to the outside observer, it's not actually the same person as the same person is actually still at the original spot (unless you have destroyed said person by then).
This is called destructive reconstruction and it's the primary problem with teleportation.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:23 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do most people in this thread think that teleportation is the deconstruction/clone trope?
Bottom line, teleportation is moving X from point A to point B before ANY amount of time has passed. Instantaneous movement over great distances.
I do not know scientifically how this could be done, but I made a guess in one of my replies, which was basically; overcharge X with so much power that (safely) pushes X out of space-time, then translocate X anywhere. Then some process to let X back into space-time, like a weakened area of space-time; a return pad, to safely finish the process.
Not the most common, CLONES!! I dub that line of logic, Clone-aportation.
fuckharvey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:10 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cause physics and information theory says that isn't even realistically possible.
The only method that allows you to travel great distances without using massive amounts of resources (in the case of near-light speeds) or time are wormholes, and wormholes themselves are theoretical, much less actually being able to travel through them or control their entry and exit points.
Stargate (the movie and show) used artificial wormholes. In that show, your molecules were broken down and sent across as energy and the instructions on how to reconstruct you (your "pattern") was sent as an EM signal of sorts. The problem with that is the system still required the basic principles of data transmission to be adhered to.
One of those principles is that it's impossible to create a channel that is 100% loss-less (completely energy efficient) due to the laws of thermodynamics. Energy gets lost. In this case, an EM signal's (wave) energy deteriorates, so information (which is carried in the size, shape, and modulation of the wave, or the exact pattern of the wave) gets lost along the way. There are some very ingenious error correction methods that alleviate most of this problem but it's not perfect. Sometimes you have to request that the signal be resent. So to ensure this data packet is not lost forever, you never actually send the original you send a copy. Well once the correct copy gets to the destination, the original gets destroyed.
Even in Stargate, you end up with the same problem. The requirement of using constructive deconstruction for all the parts that make you up (including your "pattern). This doesn't even touch on the fact that due to the laws of thermodynamics, you wouldn't be able to retrieve 100% of the molecules that make you up because some of the energy would be lost in transmission to heat (entropy). So you'd end up at the other end with part of you missing.
Only "natural" wormholes would allow you to move through space-time at near instantaneous rates. But you'd have zero control of the stability, opening, and entry points for them. Therefore, you could go through them, but you could end up dying in them due to stability issues.
At the end of the day, physics says it's impossible to teleport YOU. Now it can "teleport" a replica of you. Then that falls to the philosophical question of "is it still 'you' "? To the outside observer, as long as they're not told the new one is a copy, yes it's still you. To you, however, no; it's a different person.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:57 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The only method" this statement irks me, because it implies that you, or someone else has tested EVERY other possible method. Based on what we know right now, the only method... is a much better way to communicate what you probably meant.
I know that known laws of the universe can completely rule out a vast majority of possible methods, but those laws might not operate exactly how we think they do, or not fully understand them to their full potential. We know so much about our universe, we know things that if you explained it to people 300 years ago, you would have been killed in the streets and branded a heretic.
fuckharvey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:13 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me guess, you have no background in physics or data transmission do you?
That's called a theory not a law. Please understand the difference.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:45:03 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So Mr. Physics background, you're telling me that when something hits Law status, that means humanity has, by the absolute definition, MASTERED in its entirely, and thus know ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING there is to know about said subject with NO exceptions? I'm sorry Mr condescending, but I refuse to believe we know everything there is to know on subjects as complex as teleportation, or the physics and quantum mechanics needed to make it all work.
You are telling me, we know EVERYTHING there is to know in those fields, and I can't accept that. There is always room to learn something new or discover.
frogjg2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:48:07 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't understand what a law or a theory is.
https://futurism.com/hypothesis-theory-or-law/
fuckharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:21:41 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A great quote I heard yesterday was "Imagine the intelligence of the average person. Now realize half of all people are stupider than that."
Wish people wouldn't open their mouths if they don't know what they're talking about.
I wish people would just say "I don't know" more often. Being ignorant is perfectly reasonable. Nobody knows everything. But opening your mouth to say you know better when you don't even have a basic understanding is just fucking annoying.
The latter is pretty much 99% of people on the internet.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:55 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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fuckharvey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:03 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never called you a name. I stated a fact.
You're the one calling names.
I also clearly stated the scientific reasoning why there is only one method and why it isn't real teleportation. I then went on and used a TV show that tailed on wormholes and still explained why even that show's premise still used destructive reconstruction.
You're just refusing to accept my answer. At that point you're either crazy or incredibly stupid.
You can't ever "instantaneously" move anything a large distance because that still takes time. Even if you moved at the speed of light, YOU the traveler, would still take time to move said distance. To everyone else it would appear you moved instantaneously but you would have still aged.
I excluded that initially because accelerating your body to the speed of light would not only kill you before you even got within 0.0001% of the speed of light but also because reaching the speed of light would take more energy than exists in the entire universe.
Most scifi shows get past the speed of light barrier by using a made up alternate dimension called "subspace". Alternate dimensions don't exist. They aren't even theoretically possible. They are just a plot tool for TV writers to get around the limits of physics.
And please don't confuse alternate dimensions with alternate (parallel) universes because that falls under the multi-verse theory which is theoretically possible.
Want to prove me wrong? Go spend 8 years in school getting a PhD in physics then a lifetime trying to prove you're right. Otherwise, shut up and accept my answer.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:25 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I've got no reason to believe and obey you. You might know everything we know about physics that we as a species know RIGHT NOW, but just admit that discoveries happen, and new information can come onto the picture in groundbreaking ways.
There is no KNOWN way to move something truly instantaneously RIGHT NOW. If you tell me that this statement is false or that we could never do it, you aren't a scientist, an academic, or someone worth talking to. It might be VERY unlikely by all accounts, but never impossible.
frogjg2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:59 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But when multiple people who do know way more than you tell you you're wrong, maybe you should listen.
fuckharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:03 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A theory becomes law when it is proved that it applies everywhere.
Most are theories because proving them to be laws is next to impossible. However, the laws of physics are laws. Newtons principles are laws. The three main principles of thermodynamics are laws.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:57 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do the laws of thermodynamics apply in a space beyond space time? What about an 11 dimensional plane? The answer is YOU DON'T KNOW. Those LAWS apply to what we know. They will always work and be true in our comfort zone, aka our 3 dimensional reality, but what about in a different universe? You don't know. We could jump UNIVERSES and come back to our own to complete the teleport process. You don't have all the answers, and you're acting like you do.
Your professors would be ashamed of you if they saw this narrow minded side of yourself.
fuckharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:16 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's multi-verse theory you idiot. I already went through that above.
And no, if you went to a different universe, your spacial coordinates WOULD NOT CHANGE (scifi shows such as Stargate, have actually gone through that idea, accurately). Teleportation in the scheme you're imagining it is a movement in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd dimensions (x,y,z) aka space. Multi-verse are higher dimensions just like time is the 4th dimension and "teleporting" (i.e. jumping around) on the 4th dimension is better known as time travel. Moving in each dimension, requires a separate engine. To move in 3 dimensions in space, you need at least 3 engines. The only special part about the first 3 is that they're all spacial dimensions so they utilize the same kind of engine. The rest of the dimensions would utilize different engine designs.
By the way, those 10 dimensions are used to justify string theory. Realistically, string theory isn't even a physics idea but rather a math idea. (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-string-theory-dead-or-still-valid.861820/)
I mean seriously. You don't know much about math or physics do you?
Please go actually research these topics and get some basic courses under your belt before you spout off your mouth claiming someone who knows physics doesn't know what he's talking about.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:34 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You narrow minded cuck. This is getting boring now, trying to explain the same thing to you 8 times is exhausting.
fuckharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:06 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're refusing to accept the laws of physics. It's that plain and simple.
This isn't the legal system. There aren't loopholes. You can't argue the speed of light to be anything except 2.99x108 m/s.
I tell you the laws and instead of saying "ok thanks" you keep arguing that they MUST not apply somewhere, somehow.
Well, it's just NOT true. They apply everywhere and are uniform everywhere.
jakeduhjake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if not possible for living things, if it were possible for goods, it would completely change product shipment
beoweezy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would never ever ever ever voluntarily be teleported. How many people would be trying to hack those system just for the lulz/how many times would they just up and fuck up? I don't know but enough that the risk of becoming one with the ether would be enough to make me take the chance with flying.
I have a hard enough time getting letters from one city to another safely, why would any sane person agree to be dematerialized and then reconstructed somewhere else?
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:47 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There might be a word for de- to re-construction over great distances, but that by NO means explains or describes teleportation in any way.
To teleport is to have your body moved with 0 time passing, usually over great distances. There's nothing about ripping you apart and re-assembling them that resonates with teleportation. If anything, what you're suggesting is, backwards engineering.
eqleriq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the philip k. dick story where people "teleported" to mars (haha j/k it just vaporized them)
schplat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit. Give me that for just getting to work and home. If I could get that 1-2 hours back per day.. Say an average of 7h/w * 50w/y, that's 350 hours/year alone... Just short of 15 DAYS of time I would get back each year.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit. I just realized that even if teleportation does become available, it is probably going to cost metric fuckton. We aren't even close to having teleportation yet. It will be decades at least. And then it will probably be decades after that until it is cheap. I don't think I'll be alive by then :(
bloodflart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
would you do it if there was 1 in 1000 chance you come out the other side all messed up like The Fly? what about 1 in 10000?
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:50 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never, 100% safe or no deal.
abnerjames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And outer space?
curious_Johnsons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or... Mobilize and transport entire armies in a matter of minutes... lets hope these guys are on our side.
veetack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather use it for the morning commute, honestly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Chinese have proven that teleportation is possible. Living tissue is another bag of worms though.
ZoiSarah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The applications of this are so much wider. Crammed populated areas could spread out and still teleport to work. Live in plains of Kansas and zip up to NYC for work. Get supplies to places more easily, like fresh water and food.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World renowned Doctors on call from anywhere to save a life!
probablyawalrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would make those monuments way crowded and trivial if you could see them all in a day/week.
IronOhki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about spend more time with the people you really like.
WomanOfEld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes, holy cow, yes. way less traffic jams? sure! putting a near end to road rage? why the heck not!
CajunVagabond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As an avid traveler, this would be my nightmare. So many places are overcrowded already and are being damaged because of it.
AndyFal12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Purely for tourism?
A lot of implications
BrickGun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a more likely scenario is bridging the organic/digital divide, allowing for uploading/networking of individuals the way we do currently with machines. In that case you wouldn't need to actually transport a physical body to a location. Perhaps in the future actual bodies will stay in a certain locale and you'll just "rent" one out by uploading to it for a bit. Bodies of different aptitude (physical fitness, skills, etc) might come at a premium, so you can do certain activities that might not be possible in a "lesser" vessel. Just a thought.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:11 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surrogate, Bruce Willace.
TeamLambVindaloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know man, I can't get past how you would confirm you are the same person -or at least the same consciousness.
Like if you accidentally were just making a copy with the same memory and identical in every way, but with a separate consciousness, there would be no way to know... Not knowing if I was the same person would keep me up at night
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people who've spent time pondering that believe that the same kind of 'death' occurs when you fall asleep or go unconscious. Each of those breaks in continuity is effectively your consciousness being erased and replaced with another one at the next reboot.
Relevant comic
TeamLambVindaloo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well damn, I just took a nap - I'm fucked
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look on the bright, side 'you' are just born; and you have the memories of all those past lives to help you.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:23:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The teleportation pads would have to receive you, and not be constructing ANYTHING. Like, light speed flash you and carefully decelerate you, but faster than light. Like the pad is ALWAYS on, because instant can come at any time. If the machines CONSTRUCT, they are evil.
SirHippopotami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see cheaper transportation, but I feel like it looses something when it's instant.
UrMomLikesMine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all fun and games, until something goes wrong, and you step out with your penis swapped with your nose.
Mr_Saturn1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be great but when you think about it, its pretty amazing how fast you can get places these day. You can get to pretty much any city on the planet in less then 24 hours. 100 years ago just getting across the Atlantic was a two week ordeal.
I travel to Japan on a semi regular basis and it always blows my mind that I can eat breakfast in Minneapolis and dinner in Tokyo on the same day.
Joe_The_Eskimo1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hell no, I watched that CGP Grey video. Those thing's will clone and kill you.
capndroid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be extremely sad if, in an ideal universe even centuries from now, this becomes a viable consumerist option. Life's about the journey, not planned events.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if I told you, the journey is life and the planned event was death?
I don't care that I waited in lines at the airport for 3 hours and made no human connection with equally angry people, had to listen to crying children kneeding my back with their knees digging into the seatback of the airplane chairs. That is an experience I would love to forget and is useless as a story.
I wanna see all the stuff I can, while I still can.
lol_norbz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On one hand cool places are already way over crowded, this would certainly make for a nightmarish scene of overcrowding at any legit monument to see. On the other hand it could also mean people could live anywhere and instantly commute to work, meaning population dense areas might not need to exist anymore.
thecrius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would cause so much trouble on border control, that it would takes years to be regulated.
I'd settle for short range teleport. Over 2 hour of commute per day is lots of time wasted that I'll never get back.
ds612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the very definition of low cost teleportation is harming the occupant of the "from" machine and after making a copy of the occupant in the "to" machine. You know....like that one nolan movie.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:39:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would fall under my "no harm or cloning to occupant" rule. I define teleportation as moving someone or something great distances instantaneously with no damage or cloning to the teleported person/object.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How could teleportation ever be possible?
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not the inventor, I just want it to be real.
madman66254 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then at least people wouldn't get out of their cars in the middle of the road to take photos of stonehenge. Fuck the A303
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:34:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's that close to a roadway?!
Morgrid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad you put those conditions in.
Teleporting scared the shit out of me
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:33:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You understand!
Eternity_Incarnate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then you get people who teleport into bank vaults, and security for anything anywhere becomes completely and utterly useless. Somebody can teleport into the middle of the UN with a nuke.
Give_Me_Karmuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:32:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not personal teleportation devices. Commercial ones that require a sending platform and a receiving one.
NightTimeElk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have been watching Dark Matter? ๐ Quick way of how they get around sometimes, in the show.
whysocute ยท 5313 points ยท Posted at 13:20:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck world peace I wanna see discustingly fast internet speeds
C-C-X-V-I ยท 1764 points ยท Posted at 14:07:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My 500 person town in the south has Gigabit. I can't fathom why its not everywhere if I have it.
Skylion72 ยท 1810 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because people like money more than progress.
perfecttoastedcheese ยท 106 points ยท Posted at 14:25:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is the truth and I think we should round all those people up and kill them
the_federation ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 14:33:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then who will make the progress happen
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 14:38:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We would with the assets they left behind. That's pretty much how most revolutions go.
the_federation ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 14:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We must seize the means of production.
The_EA_Nazi ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 14:43:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PinataZack ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 14:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โญ
UnexpectedSputnik ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:12:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
PoptorDoctart ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:28:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AUTOMATED
Slip_Kid_ ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:31:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUXURY
nerevisigoth ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:33:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GAY
xerox13ster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPACE
alex2000ish ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MEMES
the_real_farfetchd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:33:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That works too, I guess.
jimothy202 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AUTOMATED
Ed_ButteredToast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad bot
Sirz_Benjie ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:16:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but think of how many revolutions there have been in the past. We've had how many opportunities and messed up almost every one of them?
I_Need_M0ney ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:54:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U right. Anybody wanna smoke some pot instead?
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, thanks. It's illegal and I don't want to spend time behind bars.
I_Need_M0ney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're starting a revolution, the government has bigger problems then some people smoking weed. We'll be fine guy!
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean instead of going through the justice system and spending time behind bars I can expect a bullet to the head? In that case, sign me up! /s
In all seriousness, getting shitfaced is not how you win a revolution. That comes afterwards.
During a riot you'll have to be very attentive to things going on around you and judge wisely, as your physical well-beeing or even life is in danger, and drugs impair that. While adrenaline does sober you up considerably, I'd rather stay focused and attentive to my surroundings to make the right decisions and maximize my chances of not dieing. A few bruises and breaths of pepper spray are to be expected, anyway - but maybe a few less when sober.
I_Need_M0ney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We aren't part of the revolution so we are leaving the action to go smoke weed where there is little to no action and lots of safety. We'll be fine no cops for miles.
morganrbvn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:46:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So like modern china and russia?
CthulhusIntern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The laborers. You know, like it's always been.
LowlySlayer ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:35:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a reasonable solution.
BuschWookie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tried and true, at least
heimdal77 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:47:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then noone would be running the government(ok pretending to run.).
PromptCritical725 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:07:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? Those greedy bastards built and expanded the data network that enabled the information age. But they''re just not making it faster fast enough. The obvious solution is to reward them by stealing it and sending them to the firing squad.
brickmack ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:08:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the US government did that stuff, then spun it off for commercial use. THOSE greedy bastards contributed nothing
PromptCritical725 ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 20:17:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US government created the basic infrastructure.
Those greedy bastards are the ones that piped that shit to your house. Without them, nobody outside government and academics would give a shit about the internet. Fuck them for delivering a product so impressive and revolutionary to the masses that you now want to kill them for not doing it cheap and fast enough for your liking.
comyuse ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 20:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck them for holding monopolies and overcharging for some of the worst internet in the developed world. if you are defending ISPs then you must be ignorant about them or shilling for them.
PromptCritical725 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Monopolies in the ISP business exist because of some issue with the possibility of redundant infrastructure. So, municialities grant a franchise license to a single entity to provide the service, lest you end up with two or more times the wires running everywhere. However, I happen to have junctions at my house for two different cable companies (neither is Comcast) and I could get DSL, satellite, or just tether. Obviously each of these has comparative strengths and weaknesses. The point is that these monopolies are created by regulations as much as regulations could prevent them.
Overcharging? Dunno. I get 100 Mbps service for $60 a month. I don't feel like I'm being fucked. Maybe your service is shit or more expensive. Maybe you're just like everyone else and would prefer to pay less for something you like, but you're part of a subset whining because you demand that something cost less for no other reason than you just want it for less. Even if it was free you'd start bitching about something too, I'm sure. Oh it's too slow because my GoT buffers or my Dota lags or some shit. Your cat pissed on the modem and now you want a free replacement. Or you have a right to internet so goddamn it, other people just gotta suck it up and give it to you.
I'm not a shill or defending ISPs. Comcast sucks. Their customer service is shit. Their marketing and packaging strategy is shit. They're more expensive than what I have now. But you know what, when I was on Comcast, the speeds were fast, the tech that installed it fixed the fucked up wiring in my apartment (some dumb fuck daisy-chained the splitters from one room to the next), and it rarely had an outage.
What I am doing is remarking about how many people seem to be petulant children whining about wanting candy in the grocery store aisle. Having a temper tantrum that lasts until they're big enough to recruit other petulant whiners so they can use the power of democracy to scream "NOW we want our fucking candy!" Fuck off.
handbanana42 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 21:16:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You... you know we paid them to do that right? It wasn't charity out of the goodness of their hearts.
There's huge chunks of money the government gave them that is still unaccounted for.
When communities can set up their own internet that is ten times faster but still cheaper than a company who's sole purpose is just that, there's something shady going on.
That_Bar_Guy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:20:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hilarious. I'm from south Africa and a brand new fiber system is shaping up to potentially be cheaper because it's been made law that the fiber lines themselves can't be "owned" which makes our existing near monopoly unable to limit it
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and progress is the opposite of congress.
bernie5690 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're alive for like, 80-90 years probably.
In the grand scheme your wealth means nothing.
Yet people exercise greed rather than changing the world, this I will never understand.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have wealth it means you can get gigabit connection speeds. And if you can have gigabit connections speeds, isn't that all that matters, really?
paradora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also some people have different definitions of progress.
MarchewkaCzerwona ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this is the winner. Humans are greedy AF.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever.
Name ONE OTHER EXAMPLE of people choosing money over progress.
You can't.
edit: /s
bernie5690 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:43:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... The oil industry? Coal and any non renewables in general?
Leaded gasoline?
Not sure if you were being sarcastic but don't be silly my dude lmao
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:16:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I was joking lol.
bernie5690 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha my bad dude. You never know with the internet.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like if you don't put /s reddit has no idea what sarcasm is lol
bernie5690 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In fairness, there are people who would make your very same comment without jest :(
nerevisigoth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you being able to look at memes slightly faster isn't a particularly high priority in innovation.
slimyprincelimey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there wasn't money in it, I doubt gigabit internet would really exist in the first place.
Khourieat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Progress can wait! First we must make the rich even richer.
GorillaJuiceOfficial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read this all as 500 gigabit speed.
dfnkt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if you have faster internet you can download ram faster and more ram = more money.
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The answer in Australia is that our politicians don't understand technology and refused to listen to experts. The win of trashing the solution proffered by the other side was more important than a national infrastructure project being fit for purpose.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:45:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that you only have 500 people is probably why it was so easy to roll out there. Which ISP is it?
spamholderman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:16:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most likely municipal fiber.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup, that my guess.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:34:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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JakkSergal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:14:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't Australia virtually cut in half in terms of internet connectivity? One of my Australian friends said that everything between East and West has to go through shitty phone lines. I doubt it but then again I've never seen Australia's government on top of things.
WorkAccount2017 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:08:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBF, the Australian government realized their internet was shite a while ago and started the National Broadband Network program to lay down a country wide fiber optic network. As you might expect it was massively expensive but in the end it would have been worth it.
Unfortunately the NBN would have competed with ISP's owned by people like Rupert Murdoch, who also owned a bunch of news outlets in Australia and he instructed them to organize a massive news campaign against the NBN, saying it was too expensive for too little benefit and that the current network (which he owned BTW) was fine with a few upgrades. Old people then voted the other side into power and they promptly gutted the NBN.
Sounds like /u/Avarian_Walrus is one of the lucky few who got the NBN before it got kneecapped due to political interests.
Alexander_TheAmateur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:35:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm so angry that the NBN didn't happen as planned. I want to be able to download and then play a game within the same day.
Sidorakh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:55:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. Internet is shit here.
Alexander_TheAmateur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:34:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make me envious. I only get 25 megabits and it fibre to the node :( fuck our government honestly. They're only occupied with keeping their jobs rather than making beneficial changes to infrastructure and the economy.
FuzzyIon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have half of the first number of your broadband so please take your internet somewhere else :/
The_EA_Nazi ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:43:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because it's very easy to access the infrastructure and lay lines. Now imagine doing gigabit internet across the entirety of NYC, 5 bouroughs, and Long Island.
It would cost billions, and take years, if the infrastructure isn't already in place, which it isn't in many parts
Of course, I'm just a redditor bored at work so someone correct me if I'm wrong here
Skittlebrau46 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:26:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I concur with your analysis.
Source: I am an engineer that designs cable TV systems and upgrades.
Split_Mac ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:15:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do an ama
Skittlebrau46 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:27:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt there is much interest in that. It just puts me in a position to confirm the reasons that smaller towns are much cheaper and easier to upgrade than large, dense metropolitan areas.
Example;
Let say you want to build a fiber to the home network (FTTH) you need to put a device on the side of the house, to send/receive the fiber signals, and translate it to stuff in your house. Let's say these cost $100 (for ease of math only). If you have 500 houses in your town, it will cost you $50,000 for JUST that part. Not counting any other equipment or infrastructure. Now, let's say you have 500,000 houses in a major city. That's $50,000,000 JUST for the side of the house interface. And none of this takes into account any of the infrastructure needed to feed those houses, which grow exponentially at scale. And by the time you stage out a build over a large area, you are 5-10 years behind technology in the first areas, by the time you finish. You can't build a large system as fast as technology is improving. When you can do your entire small town in 6-18 months, it's far easier to have the system in place before technology outstrips itself and forces retrofit and upgrade.
So, it's easy to see that a community of 500 people might form a municipal cable system of their own, and have some bad ass fiber connections for a decently inexpensive price (still millions of dollars at the end of the day, but a fraction of the cost to do so for larger populations.)
The_EA_Nazi ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:32:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neat
ByEthanFox ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:26:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... and people joke that the secret Stargate is under Cheyenne Mountain.
Fickle_Pickle_Nick ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:57:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My ~25 million person country has about 1 Gb/s for the entire nation to share
KristenK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which 25 mil person country?
North Korea? Ghana? Australia? Syria?
Is this satire?
Fickle_Pickle_Nick ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:13:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's Australia and our entire internet system is satire
Alexander_TheAmateur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:37:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate this countries politicians. They're just preoccupied with becoming, and keeping to job of being, Prime Minister. Of you fix my internet I'll vote for you until I die.
AngriestSCV ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:38:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My choices here are satellite, dial-up, or phone internet. I'm jealous.
heimdal77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because anywhere bigger and the big ISPs fight tooth and nail to prevent it.
bigbadbosp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where? Call that 501.
pm_me_downvotes_plox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still have a 500kbps connection :(
TerriblePigs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's easier to wire a town of 500 than a city of a few million.
TheRedJoker93 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you by chance live in Chattanooga?
PyroDesu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chattanooga's a hell of a lot bigger than 500.
-Chattanoogan
TheRedJoker93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My apologies fellow American! My question was due to an article i read about 1 Gb/sec Internet speeds in Chattanooga. I know very little about your home, unfortunately.
PyroDesu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:33:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't really blame you for not knowing much beyond the bit of publicity we got. We're not that big a city.
Actually, we have 10 Gbps internet service available now, to residential customers. That's a fair bit more expensive though, and way more than anyone needs (for now).
I like our utility. It's a poster child for how internet service should work. Shame Comcast finally
bribedconvinced a judge to stop them expanding their service area.eqleriq ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pretty sure it has something to do with the bandwidth for 500 people not being the same as the bandwidth for a 4,000,000 people metropolis
lucb1e ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fiber is good over long distances. Wikipedia:
Article about ADSL:
They don't do it just to be nice to you ;)
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-mode_optical_fiber and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_digital_subscriber_line#Download_speed
Edit: Got interested and read some more. Turns out coax cable also runs over a long distance:
Who knew! Fiber was always advertised to me as being good for long distances (besides the high speed). Then again, the fiber article does mention this:
So perhaps it's only better than ADSL (in distance) and not better than coax cable? Idk. Anyway, I still don't think they do it just because they can.
Source for the coax cable distance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_Internet_access
Merlin560 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:40:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably had the shittiest broadband for decades. I imagine they rebuilt your broadband system because it was going to fall down. When they rebuilt it, you got the bells and whistles.
Watch, if your kids grow up in that town they will still have the shitty Gig that you now have. And you sill say, "'member when we got this internet. It was good enough for me in 2017...."
All in the voice of the pervert old man on Family Guy.
GetOffMyBus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You had me until this part
CeMaRiS1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living in a 2500 person town in Germany and have a 50k line since end of last year. Before that it was just 1k. Regarding internet infrastucture Germany is as much a backwater as any 3rd world country. Hell I had a better connection on Boa Vista that doesn't even have a medium sized airport. (There's McDonalds that are bigger)
surfer_ryan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably because 450 of the citizens have it. Trying to convince a large population to change anything is impossible.
dinklebergs_revenge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Japan and I don't have it!
I do live on a military base though, base is always crawlingly slow to update anything. I have solid 87mbps down though, so that's nice I guess?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got a Gigabit connection from Verizon a couple of weeks ago. It's around 980 down, 880 up. This shit is insanely fast.
elfslistentodubstep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that fast? I'm more of a visual person so I can't picture fast internet.
greenit_elvis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1000/1000 for about 25 USD/mo here.
dudius7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In "the South" like Alabama? Or like South Korea?
zaggi1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
small cities often get fast internet first, because its cheaper to put in the ground, in a big city you have to stop trafic and its much bigger scale. Thats a reason i heard like 2-5 years ago.
FuzzyAss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you live? I wanna move there
Baktab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHAT TOWN
AmazingELF74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you live and how do I get there!?!
g1ngertim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live one mile outside of a minor city. Half a mile from my house, Google Fiber. I get shitty satellite internet for $200/mo.
payperplain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have 100Mb and I personally think that's disgustingly fast. I can download games on steam pretty damn fast compared to previously when I used to have to wait hours to play a new triple a game. I'm pretty ok with that.
thehomiesthomie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also live in a rural area in the south(east) and we have fiber internet now with close to 1 gig speeds. (Averages about 750mbps) Granted, it costs a ton, but its fucking insane how fast things go compared to other internet connections.
souldust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because rich douche-nozzles are fighting each other with their resources to be the one to do it.
Red_Historian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The CIA is probably operating out of all of your neighbours houses. They are probably watching you right now. If you are in danger tell reddit now it's your only hope...
WardenHDresden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rural telecom subsidies equals easier access to infrastructure improvement money in rural areas.
ISwearImADoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...I hate you. I'm in a city of 2 million and I'm barely getting 20down/3up.
Milo_BOK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live one hill away from being able to get decent internet speed. It sucks.
Xylamyla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't fathom what it's like to have speeds higher than 50mbs
MK2555GSFX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's easier to build out to a low-population area first as a testbed
cryo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you need a better imagination or to think harder? Iโm sure you can fathom it. Give it a try.
zzyul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because not enough people want it or would be willing to pay for it.
Imagine that you're on a road trip with 9 friends and a bus driver. Everyone is hungry. You all agree that hamburgers sound good. You find out that a city you're about to pass through has one of the best burger restaurants in the country. You tell your friends and two are really excited to go there but the other 7 think it will take too long and they don't want to make 2 stops and McDonald's will work because they aren't really that hungry and it's what they have all the time. If the majority of people wanted fancy burgers the bus driver would take you there, but for him and the group it's easier to just go to McDonald's.
squeamish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because infrastructure is expensive and consumers are cheap.
sillystephie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where in the south, exactly? :)
auxiliary-character ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How expensive is it, and can I move there?
brando56894 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I finally just got it from Verizon in the NYC metro area, cost me about $90-100 /month for "up to" 980 Mbps down and 860 Mbps up. When downloading stuff off of Usenet I see anywhere from 160 Mbps to a max of 800 Mbps, usually averaging around 400-450 Mbps.
The simple reason why it's not everywhere is because the big ISPs don't think you want it/need it and they would rather price gouge you instead of spending millions to upgrade their infrastructure. Seriously, the FCC's Tom Wheeler has gone on record stating "people don't need more than 25 Mbps" when the minimum speed to be considered broadband was going to be changed from 4 Mbps to 25 Mbps. Back in 2013 Comcast and TimeWarner both said that there is no demand for gigabit internet, meanwhile offering $50 giftcards to anyone that ratted out Google trying to push their way into their cities.
Number1452isnotahoax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My 2000 person town in north georgia has one available provider (Windstream) that sucks so much it's legally considered a prostitute. Takes about 45 seconds to load a webpage, and I can only watch shit on 144p
Alexander_TheAmateur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems that you definitely do not live in Australia. I only get 25 megabits download.
FuzzyIon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am on the outskirts of Greater London, 5 miles from 2 towns and i only have 1 mb with no plans in the near future to be upgraded.
jk021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:27:18 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where do you live?
fattmann ยท 989 points ยท Posted at 14:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will you use it for super fast spell check?
drakefish ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He means that it will be so fast everyone will constantly discuss about it.
Kolegra ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:02:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought it was about custard
JWBS_Steam ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want discustardly fast internet speeds
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He meant to make a comment about throwing a Discus ting....
vilketaventyr ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:52:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Order corn.
MachoManShark ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:44:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU SURE ARE A LONG BABY
FinancialModel ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 18:45:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/oldpeoplefacebook
TimoKinderbaht ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 19:21:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an /r/oldpeoplefacebook meme. Take a look through the top posts of all time, you won't be disappointed. YOU SURE ARE A LONG BABY
whysocute ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:26:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was lagging otherwise I would have got that
kingeryck ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:14:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gotten.
Instincts ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 00:08:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would of*
kingeryck ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He means distusting
OneTIME_story ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:03 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He just wants to discuss it though
marco262 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dream for the future is that Reddit will stop being shitty about typos.
cartel3341 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:14:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ain't nobody got time for that.
Haydork ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:38:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You were born too late to experience dis[g]ustingly fast. Had you ever depended on a 300-baud modem you would realize that:
What we have now is so far beyond disgustingly fast that you couldn't have conceived of it, and
Any speed will eventually not be fast enough, so you will never be satisfied for longโthough I imagine gigabit will take a while to get over.
BaconBaron42 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:41:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I'd just like internet speeds like you Northern Hemisphere fellas have. Here in South Africa I get like 3Mbps down and 1 up. On a good day. Hearing the people on /r/Overwatch complain about 70 ping when we think of 250 as perfectly fine. Our cellular 3G is usually faster than WiFi. Count your blessings.
TerminalHydreigon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:00:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
250 ping would make we want to die that's unplayable
minion_is_here ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:29:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is literally a quarter of a second. Wayyy too much delay for any game other than turn-based.
TerminalHydreigon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It feels like a quarter of a day
BaconBaron42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I say, we make it work. I have the odd friend with (to us) really good internet who gets 120. I've played with up to 500-600 before. Torb and Junkrat only though. There was a point where I was hitting 1000 ping. Imagine the whole enemy team moves like Tracer... that's what it was like.
Alexander_TheAmateur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:38:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not unplayable. You've just gotta lean into the lag. Trust me, as an Aussie I have experience with these matters.
Buffalo__Buffalo ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:34:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discusting!
Havoksixteen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:16:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lasagna looks crisp
Ivelostmydrum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the sass!
AimingWineSnailz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Distusting?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:34:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Compared to the 56k modem I had back in 1995 we are living that dream today. We once had to wait a whole hour to download a decent 1 minute long porno clip! On today's speeds I don't even know what to do with all the extra bandwidth.
Pigmy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just got fiber installed a few weeks ago. It was the first time I really experienced first world problems. It took longer to allocate space on my drive than it did to download a game from steam and the download was so fast I barely got to see the big number.
http://imgur.com/0ltxFST
I've since tested it and this speed is abit higher than average but still pretty close to what I see if I get very large files and it has time to ramp up. When its a small file it starts at 30ish and tapers off around 50 before its done.
jaredjeya ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:55:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you can fill your 1000PB hard drive with 8K VR porn in seconds?
shrekinator ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:27:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/oldpeoplefacebook
whysocute ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:39:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! I'm not old just stupid
juareno ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:57:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DISGUSTING!
pikk ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:13:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dis g ustingly just btw
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:28:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop correcting people. It's discusting.
Psych_edelia ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DISCUSTING language from my fuzzy bunny milk monkey. Sharon passed on last week from cancer.
xQuasarr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:36:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks Einstein
AlexTraner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. I have 200mbps at the moment. I need more. MORE POWAH
hazzdawg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have 3mb fiber. Actually pretty happy
EllieJoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And make it free while you're at it!
Bludgeonedkittens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy gets it.
GalenAbsalom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had 500 500 line, but downgraded to 100 100 again because it was completely pointless and expensive.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go move to South Korea.
megazoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God bless moscow for it 150mbit internet for 6 bucks a month.
iamaiamscat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That already exists...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:25 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously, but it's not available nearly everywhere.
touristoflife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a trip to South Korea
GeorgeMoroz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's either ignorant, making a joke, or he just spells disgusting with a C because that's how him and his boys do it. I like this comment BTW.
_dekappatated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:44:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is the internet not currently disgustingly fast? My 56k modem gave me like 2.6kbps, it would take like an hour to download 1 mp3. Now I can download thousands of mp3s in that time.
MyFacade ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain to me the advantages of having super duper fast internet compared to the seemingly fast cable internet available throughout urban and suburban areas in the US right now?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:14 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you like to be able to download a movie in 10 seconds?
MyFacade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:34 on August 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stream movies through legal services, so I don't really have that need. Maybe I would use that if I were to put a bunch of stuff on a device if I were traveling somewhere without internet.
Garonen_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine forgetting to download movies when you're entering the plane.
I-Cut-Myself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For what?
rad2themax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I wanna see equally affordable internet and cell service. As a rural Canadian I'm just jealous of everyone else's internet and phone prices.
Quachyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dawnstar9075 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing is, disgustingly fast internet speeds will cause world peace.
AtWorkAccount1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least internet as a utility so I don't have companies overcharging me for less than what I want.
Promasterchief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what can you do with it? Unless you upload stuff I don't see the point right now, also move to South Korea
The_Joe_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a small town with a beautiful view and a bit of land. I moved here from suburbia, where the only option for internet was Comcast. I hate Comcast, they are just not a company I've ever felt good giving my money to...
15 megabit download speed. DSL. Comcast is now that insane ex who I hated talking to, but took it in the ass like a champion. The one who moved away after the break up and is now married.
Comcast! I'm sorry! Will you please move to the middle of nowhere with me? Our lives could be beautiful!
TheCraziestPickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Move to Kansas City
GoobeNanmaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not work these spelling skills
whysocute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not work these grammar skills
GoobeNanmaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I knew this was coming. I didn't realize it would be this quick
whysocute ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would have been even faster with discustingly fast internet
CODESIGN2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For some reason the word discustingly made me think it's be used for the 1000k edition of 2-girls 1-cup
Mors_imperator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So fast the page loads in a quantum continuum that is equal parts past and future.
Lepang8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So fast that your HDD or even SSD can't keep up with the writing during download.
Umbross13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you rather have 1Tb/s internet connection or a flying car?
whysocute ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:28:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A flying car requires going outside so that is an easy one
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On an island in Alaska with Gigabit internet.
AirieFenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I live in Argentina, here speeds are 50 mbps tops but if we consider other places like Korea or some parts of Europe, even some cities in the US...
I know the theoretical limit that you can give as an answer to "how fast would you want it to be?" is "infinite" but really, how fast would you want it to be?
whysocute ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also infinite
AirieFenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, touchรฉ.
Pinchas66 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Argentinian as well, i have 150/15 up/down speed.. dont know where you're taking your numbers from..
AirieFenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, evidently I'm not updated about Internet speeds, yes, I live in a town where Fibertel and Arnet aren't providing the best of the best.
Anyway, my intention wasn't to talk about specific bandwidths or whatnot, but to mention that ate places with really really high speeds.
F0restGump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, I'm argentinian and have 100mb/10mb
TheRealMouseRat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just move to europe
whysocute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I'm in Europe ๐ฑ
AirieFenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then movee to South Korea.
anoelr1963 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... because first world problems is a real thing!
terminater577 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Singapore we get 1gbps speeds for around 27-28USD
DontTreadOnBigfoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I currently pay $60/mo for 30Mbps on the west coast of the US.
For gigabit, at the same cost per bit, I'd be paying $2000 USD per month.
xian0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could get 100Gb or something for that in Europe.
timedragon1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was staying in Korea, I could download full games in a matter of minutes.
this_person_here_now ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have 1 Gb/s up and down at work. Can get it at home too but i can't find any good use for it... yet. I would fill up my computer in 2 minutes..
Escritor_Boliviano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Bytes per second must be in the millions- we're gonna get some extreme downloads tonight. Oh please, Lord, don't let this wonderful cream be poisonous" -Pierre
fuckharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why though?
What are you actually going to do with something like 1gbps?
Wanting more than 56k was real because you could barely listen to audio on the net with it. More than 1mbps was important so you could watch 1080p video and download modern games.
However, once you get to 100 mbps, you top out. 4k is pointless as your eyes can't perceive the difference. So you can get the best video your senses can handle.
Video games only take 10 minutes to update (20 to download fresh).
Anything higher is relatively pointless. Realistically you only need a bigger pipe if you have more people in your house with you.
I_want_GTA5_on_PC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/datahoarders would like to have a word with you. What I would do with 1gbps? I could finally download a few big youtube channels overnight, instead of waking up and being annoyed at reddit not loading in 15ms.
uwwstudent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disgustingly*
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do agree, however, does no one know how to spell anymore. I see this post with no one correcting the fact you spelled 'disgustingly' wrong and then a post much higher up had immortality as inmortality. Am I a grammar nazi, I just want to point it out so you know. Usually when I'm corrected on a highly upvoted comment I think I always remember the correct way after, so I'd figure I would share the feeling.
Clbull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Born too late to explore the world.
Born too soon to explore the galaxy.
Born just in time to browse dank memes.
guntas68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So...Google Fiber
Tyrann0saurus_Rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Romania we have gigabite per second. Why US doesn't is beyond comprehension
RossmoRossmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DISCUSTING
Wittier-Than-Thou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the internet. I want to see the eradication of spelling and grammar mistakes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Move to Korea
Lost_in_costco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have gig fiber, it's disappointing when servers cap their uploads.
battlebornCH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/excgarated
Piss_on ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DISCUSTING
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My post is removed before I submit it
Thanks
Ben_Wynaut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
D I S C U S T I N G
yet-another-user ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 Gbit/s is accessible now, 10 Gbit/s is probably going to be available rather soon. With current storage technology, there's very little need to go beyond that. I don't want to die that young.
Newfie74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get Comcast new Unlimited Petabyte internet. Download 50000 movies or 1000000 songs in less then 60 seconds. * **
dnesteruk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come to Russia. Stupidly fast, cheap unlimited Internet. Sadly the rest of the country is kinda screwed but hey, you can stream!
Turtledonuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have fibre. It's great. I can stream netflix in HD while I play games online.
kapxis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just that, but some way to get rid of high ping as well. Online games with no latency? yes please.
Saftey_Always_Off ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All so it can be destroyed during war time
katataru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Travel to Romania
Brox256 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my tow of about 700-1000 people there's 10mb!! :v
RobotsRule1010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went to Georgia Tech one summer. I forgot what it was like to wait for a page or video to load ...
SailorRalph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disgustingly?
andreidanilo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
come to Romania
bluetaquitos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go to South Korea. Speeds there are amazing I have heard. Fastest country I think for internet.
SueZbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both.
be_my_plaything ยท 6298 points ยท Posted at 11:03:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon porn.
Neil Armstrong walking on it was OK I guess, but what I really want is to see someone fucking on it. That would be magical.
iRomanian ยท 2950 points ยท Posted at 12:49:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
238,900 Mile High Club
Stanleeallen ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 14:12:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that name applies if it's on the surface of the moon.
iRomanian ยท 123 points ยท Posted at 14:15:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we just fuck in space and not get into semantics?
SCMSuperSterling ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:05:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they did that, didn't they?
iRomanian ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:07:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember correctly, wasn't it zero-G, but not technically in space? Someone prove me wrong.
TheRedJoker93 ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:33:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U think u slick asking for the sauce that way. i like it
iRomanian ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:39:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just lazy af. And... Because I can't really search for "sex in space" at work.
TheRedJoker93 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:40:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your office doesn't deserve you. I see management potential all over that search.
nepenthegram ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time to get a new job!
RainbowWolfie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They got into something alright
eqleriq ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:29:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
technically we are in space
#semanticthuglife
mewfahsah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd get into semantics on the moon if that was their name.
rzpieces ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude it's the fucking moon I think we'll give it to them
thetgi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah but if the center of the moon is that distance then there must be a ring-section of the moon's surface approximately at that point
MalletSpace ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:50:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Admit it, you had to Google that number.
iRomanian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I Googled that number. I even copied and pasted!
MalletSpace ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:08:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You madman.
YouHaveSeenMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The distance changes tho, quick contact someone at nasa and get the exact number! Last i checked it was almost 10k closer than that.
ByTheBeardOfZues ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:55:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The enemies 3rd base is down.
nutrap ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
238,900 people used to fuck here. Now it's a ghost town.
Gadetron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When does up, no longer mean up?
seeingeyefish ยท 769 points ยท Posted at 12:54:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there is the guy how worked at NASA who "borrowed" a bunch of moon rocks to put on his bed and have sex on top of them. It made a bunch of the samples unusable. Maybe he has a tape.
I suppose that they aren't good for anything else, maybe you could make a tape.
BenjewminUnofficial ยท 364 points ยท Posted at 13:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He puts rocks in his bed? That just sounds super uncomfortable
anticusII ยท 628 points ยท Posted at 14:46:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're missing the point of saying you fucked on the moon
Buutchlol ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didnt actually fuck on the moon tho. He just fucked in a bed ontop of uncomfortable rocks. Doesnt count for shit in my book
Therealbigjon ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:48:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know somebody who knows this guy and they say he's some kind of a genius. But I know loads of dudes who aren't dumb enough to fuck on top of a pile of rocks.
Edit: a word
quantumfelipe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he a scientist or the custodian?
Therealbigjon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He consults I think. Not sure exactly what he does honestly.
Tasgall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:31:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steals client property and fucks on it, apparently.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just name a pet 'the Moon'.
Trevmiester ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:22:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just invite the Super Smash Brothers Melee player over.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:21:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but he fucked on the moon, kinda.
BenjewminUnofficial ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:28:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sokka is gonna be pissed
MEMENARDO_DANK_VINCI ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or aroused
X-istenz ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently moon sand is fucking dangerous, like it's a Rat King of tiny razorblades because there isn't any wind to erode the edges after meteor impacts. I wanna know how he dealt with that.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude likes it rough
NumberNinethousand ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:26:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And coarse.
TheadraNadler ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Na, as far as I know he put them in a box and put the box under his bed.
Drip43 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:30:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sex only got truly uncomfortable after he went to jail.
Drifter747 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:41:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it soft like brie?
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:10:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was also sentenced to prison for that.
Drawen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, moon rocks haven't been eroded by air so they are also very sharp. They probably got a few fragments stuck in their skin.
Caedro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:32:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please tell me this is a real thing
Theyellowtoaster ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... source?
SchleftySchloe ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://gizmodo.com/5242736/how-an-intern-stole-nasas-moon-rocks
Myxine ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that guy! Ask me anything.
rhllor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
did he cum on the moon rocks
Myxine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:22 on August 25, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I haven't asked.
PocketAssassin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess you could say he got his rocks off
mullownium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't he only steal samples that had already been used in experiments, and were no longer scientifically viable?
gregory_the_smarmy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a lie anyway. He never really did that. He just said that to sell the book.
GoobeNanmaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did it with an intern
Devonmartino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the topic of tapes in this thread, there's another tape I think we'd all like to see.....
TheTadin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the guy showed up and commented on a TIL post some time ago saying that they were in a box under the bed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn that moon rock stealing whore
KallistiTMP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC those were just the moon rocks that were already deemed unusable. The ones that have already been used in experiments or whatever are locked away in a vault under crazy amounts of security because they're "military secrets" or some such nonsense. It pisses off a lot of NASA scientists, because they could probably fund their programs for years if the government would just sell them.
grokforpay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True story: In 1971, when Neil Armstrong was still famous, my family was driving through a Florida rainstorm. A gust of wind blew us onto the curb where we popped a tire. Out of nowhere a man appeared, and gestured at us to stay warm and dry in the car while he changed our tire.
ZeePirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know i bet he thinks it was worth it. He got in a lot of trouble for it IIRC To be honest i do to, for his sake anyway.
I_Arted ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also went to gaol (= jail for USA folk).
meatywood ยท 205 points ยท Posted at 13:07:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens when you jizz in zero gravity?
PinkyBlinky ยท 759 points ยท Posted at 13:25:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The girl gets disappointed that you came in 8 seconds, but she does it in zero gravity
methanococcus ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:31:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neat!
BenjewminUnofficial ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 13:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah, look at Mr. 8 Seconds over here, no need to brag about it man...
rednax1206 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about in Spanish?
amazingoomoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
still. its a personal best
daanjderuiter ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:09:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You fly away ever so slowly. Using the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation: ฮv = ve ln(mi/mf), with ฮv your change of velocity, ve the exhaust velocity (i.e. the speed of your jizz), mi your initial total mass before jizzing and mf your final total weight after jizzing: ve โ 12.5 m/s, mi โ 80 kg, mf โ 79.99 kg (thanks, incognito): ฮv โ 0.0016 m/s โ 5.6 m/hour. It's not rocket science
HardlightCereal ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:50:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget the torque. Your penis is below your center of mass and pointing up, so you slowly spin over.
lamearN ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jokes on you, mine is pointing down!
Graytis ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:52:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coital Recoil
JonAce ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:55:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's 1.5555555555555999891 millimeters per second, slower than a snail (~2.8 mm per second).
ForeverTheX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/theydidthemath
Kyliobro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:31:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/theydidthemons..... I can't be that guy man.
itsaaron94 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:54:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You impregnate stars and then stars have baby faces at night. Most of them crying tho
Remotecube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This oddly explains the sun in Teletubbies.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cumballs.
ds612 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if you jizzed in space, that jizz would just float away from you forever. In a few years it'll be more travelled than you could ever hope to be.
A-noni-mouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But seriously, with in-built programming to reduce it to fungal matter on planetary contact, said jizz would populate a barren planet and 1.7 billion years of evolution later, comparitively intelligent beings would populate it, just like ours has.
ds612 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:34:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, maybe this is some other planets adam and eve. Someone jizzed on earth millenia ago.
A-noni-mouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Random spacejizz. Being an astronaut is hazardous.
BlackBetty504 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go shake a snow globe. That's what happens.
Thadude1984 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:49:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You end up with a facial.
Whimpy13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They make a sequal to There's something about Mary.
Pornthrowaway78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Private filmed a zero gravity porno starting Sylvia Saint. Not seen it though, so I can't answer the question, but it has been answered.
spork-a-dork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be a bitch to clean out from all the consoles.
YuviManBro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thats a serious problem apparently
Putin-the-fabulous ยท 179 points ยท Posted at 12:10:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you guys fucking? Right on top of my moon?
Whapwhaaap ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:12:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh god its begun
_neemzy ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:22:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You suckin'? On the moon?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more likely than you think.
icecreampopncereal ยท 989 points ยท Posted at 11:40:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll volunteer. Any woman wanna make history with me?
TheAlbionKing ยท 1439 points ยท Posted at 13:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not a woman but is it really gay if it's on the moon?
be_my_plaything ยท 2428 points ยท Posted at 13:53:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More gay. In space no one can hear you say 'no homo'
tony10033 ยท 63 points ยท Posted at 14:30:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or is it less gay because no one can hear you cry?
[deleted] ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 14:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 14:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 14:54:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MITstudent ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:04:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simpler solution: just bring another dude
RosemarysFetus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:34:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not gay if it's in a threeway
_floydian_slip ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:21:35 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Float out of what? The cock or the gaping anal cavity?
wittymcusername ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:58:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"That's one small cock for man... one... giant homo for mankind."
statistically_viable ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:43:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gay Space Communism?
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:56:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated, luxury
statistically_viable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comrade?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Da!
aprofondir ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:58:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a tagline for an Alien porn parody
Budderboy153 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:30:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/nocontext
rustbatman ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:36:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy fucks
mechakingghidorah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sign it.
englishmight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But on the flip side No one can hear you say no...sssooooo.......
greeny74 ยท 155 points ยท Posted at 14:00:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not ghey if it's on the moon.
megananaa ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 14:12:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
l l l l l l l l l l l l l l let's play
richernate ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:17:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Gee I wonder who 'Space Beard' is?"
LamboToTheSlaughter ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 14:50:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arguably Jack's finest moment. I routinely open that video up just to watch the beginning.
-Lachesis- ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:19:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Rainbow Six one recently when he shit on Geoff over and over was also very nice.
DrippyWaffler ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:20:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Geoff deserved every bit of shit he got for that haha
montysgreyhorse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:16:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait what happened to his sabbatical? (I havent watched AH in a while)
DrippyWaffler ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 22:14:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been back from the sabbat for ages.
montysgreyhorse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:15:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp, I guess it's time to start watching again.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
-Lachesis- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:01:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YouTube
Achievement Hunter
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you!
PixelStruck ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:25:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Jengazi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joke of the day, right there
RnRaintnoisepolution ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:35:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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guynamedlucas ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:34:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/UnexpectedRT
OfFiveNine ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:09:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if it's on the dark side.
timbitxd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
( อใ อกส อใ)
raspberry_moonshine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:46:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's only 1/6ths gay
K4R1MM ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How close to Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism does this get us?
Metapoetic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty close, comrade
NSA_Chatbot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing is queer once you leave the atmosphere.
Taftimus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if your balls touch.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's only one small step for man...
Escritor_Boliviano ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:51:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Soviet Russia, the moon fucks on you!
clit-eastwould ยท 820 points ยท Posted at 11:50:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, HERstory.
[deleted] ยท 379 points ยท Posted at 12:38:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheRedBaron91 ยท 526 points ยท Posted at 12:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the moon cycle.
DeathMCevilcruel ยท 185 points ยท Posted at 13:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're women not werewolves.
[deleted] ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 13:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're werewolves, not swearwolves.
megananaa ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:11:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
together Vampire style!
Adamskinater ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shitwolves, Ran
DuctTapedWindow ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bat fight!
Jenkins007 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you like some...pasketti?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://giphy.com/gifs/what-we-do-in-the-shadows-kRp6KUNIamaK4
Jenkins007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://giphy.com/gifs/what-we-do-in-the-shadows-ZjYn5GcRmZQGI
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/Uk5uwYp5EKk
nerdee139 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvote for username.
DemiGod9 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:36:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a difference?
Senthe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:35:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am a woman. Can't confirm.
aljoko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you even have werewolves on the moon? You know since it has to be a full moon on Earth for them to transform. Do they stay human, or are they permanently a werewolf?
CeMaRiS1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So they're not resurrected by a hardon?
tsuolakussa ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 13:17:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username... Checks... Out?
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:16:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth cycle.
Shredlift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a bloody good joke. Period.
I'll just cycle on to another joke...
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:39:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ab soul?
Caroz855 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:16:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that you, Ru?
lq13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just saw ru girl
dannysdruid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:22:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
.. wouldn't that be HERtory...?
tatertot255 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:48:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That pun was so bad I need gene therapy now.
Nickonthepc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:50:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Profile created 7 hours ago Commentor Legitimacy cannot be verified sir
DUBLH ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:00:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God I had a horrible history teacher in 5th grade that only called it HERstory and it still triggers me to this day
PenisMcScrotumFace ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:43:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hertory
elapid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rather you than me.
I don't want 7 billion people to see how had I am at sex.
BloodBank1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha good one buddy
RubyRod1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, jizztory.
D3ADRA_UDD3R5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, it could be two chicks, that's fine.
DidNotTryAvcadoToast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:15:50 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck you
Fuck_Me_If_Im_Wrong_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:17:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's 2017, theirstory, onesstory
ms_modestly_immodest ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:10:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐๐ฝi suppose i'll take one for the team
icecreampopncereal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After looking at your profile I'm pretty sure I won't last long and can gladly pass away afterwards
ms_modestly_immodest ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:31:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
can you pass away from cumming too hard?๐ค๐ค๐ค
icecreampopncereal ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:32:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll find out. Might just from the lack of gravity!
Lyncine ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:44:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want to have sex on the moon to lose your virginity AND disappoint a woman? Man, 2 birds with one stone.
larzolof ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:12:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And probably have the whole world watching!
gooby_the_shooby ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:34:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that stone is the moon!
antaryon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for those memorable words: "A small penis for man, a giant... don't move... don't move... hand me that towel."
obiejess ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:13:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I volunteer as tribute
wholligan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:12:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in as long as you weigh less than 42 moon pounds.
alayne_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
helo its me a woman
Gustomaximus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist, your mum does. Still keen?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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icecreampopncereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By the looks of this I'm gonna be banging lots of hotties finally
_vOv_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'll donate a coconut for you
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm game. If the physical is anything like Armageddon, I might fail? But I also could surprise everyone and pass.
poopellar ยท 680 points ยท Posted at 11:57:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pornhub
jbake4466 ยท 266 points ยท Posted at 12:55:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine all the zero gravity positions they'll come up with
deepfriedcat ยท 416 points ยท Posted at 13:18:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windmill
El_Jacobo ยท 247 points ยท Posted at 14:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse Windmill
thetgi ยท 382 points ยท Posted at 15:07:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaand that's it
Those are all the positions available
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 164 points ยท Posted at 15:11:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did it Reddit!
EvryMthrF_ngThrd ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:01:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pinwheel!
Double Rotator!
Rocket Boost!
Docking Maneuver!
The Blow-Off!
Three-Body-Problem!
'C'mon, there's dozens of possibilities, and that's assuming a normal person... imagine what a contortionist could do?
thetgi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:08:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse windmill probably
El_Jacobo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:40:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something Uranus
A-noni-mouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Form a circle!
Bugtemp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:13:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Counter rotation!
davidarrepia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dick twister?
Georgethejungles ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully rotating spit roast
Assassin4571 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:22:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
an infinitely rotating spit roast
Kichigai ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:43:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zero-Gee โ Zero-friction.
Assassin4571 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:47:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think porn producers have short supply of lube?
Drip43 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:32:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best kind of fidget spinner
CeMaRiS1 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:39:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porn science: how much will my Orbit change when I ejaculate.
woodrobin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would depend on whether your urethra was pointing along the direction of your orbit (adds velocity = higher orbit), against the direction (subtracts velocity = lower orbit) or obliquely to the direction (to the side would change the angle of orbit and what part of the Earth (presumably) you pass over, up or down would alter the perigee and apogee of the orbit). "Thrust" vector (as it were) matters.
All that assumes you have a way to eject the ejaculate. Otherwise, the reaction to the impact of the semen against the inside of the suit, or the inside of the station or shuttle, will tend to counteract the effect to a degree.
You haven't addressed the frightening potential aftereffect, though: Frozen jizz hurtling around the earth at orbital velocity until its orbit decays (jizzeorite!) or until it impacts another orbiting body (death by facial!).
crnext ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to have a spiraling corkscrew ejac pls.
woodrobin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:15:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fairly simple (if tricky to execute):
Be careful not to rotate too quickly. Too much angular momentum will result in a pattern less like a spiral and more like the one generated by one of the devices people use to put grass seed on their lawn.
crnext ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was kinda hoping for a spiral more like a ballet dancer (head to toe axis) and then giant sploosh, except for men.
Which I guess is just sploosh..
...Except with semen.
TheGreatJoshua ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An action within a system doesn't change the momentum of the system.
You'd have to also be ejaculating directly into space. i.e. Not in the spaceship
spork-a-dork ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually would like to know the answer to that.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
man, that helicopter dick thing I've been practicing is gonna be so worth it
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I vaguely remember seeing something where they said NASA actually had people fucking in zero gravity just to see if it's feasible, if I remember rightly there wasn't really much that could be done..
..Just need those tapes to leak.
Uncle_Rabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Black hole
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:21:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fifty-three Moreย Things to do in Zero Gravity
Lost4468 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 12:36:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the same as no/low gravity porn.
Olly0206 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:06:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I very well could be, but isn't escape velocity basically the speed you need to exit the atmosphere? Which means you're still greatly effected by earth's gravity as you're moving away from the direction you're being pulled at speeds great enough to suck you to your seat.
I know that once you reach orbit you're still falling towards earth but you're also traveling at a high enough speed that you just kind of keep swinging around without falling straight down. I can see that the speed of escape velocity being enough to keep traveling this orbit but is it still considered escape velocity at this point?
SandwichSwagger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Escape velocity is the speed you need to escape the gravitational pull of the sphere of influence you are in. From what I understand, as long as you're outside of the atmosphere when you obtain escape velocity, you'll be at an unchanging acceleration and thus be in zero G. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though I'm just going off of Kerbal Space Program.
Olly0206 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm basing my knowledge on like 6th grade science from 20 years ago. I'd bet Kerbal is probably more accurate than what I learned in school.
My school was kind of crap...
Cersad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that you would actually be acted upon by the gravity of the body from which you are escaping. At precisely escape velocity an object's speed should asymptotically approach zero as it approaches the boundary of the gravitational well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is actually not true. You'll still accelerate toward the planet. What's special about escape velocity is that your acceleration decays faster than your velocity, so even though your radial velocity away from the planet is decreasing over time, it will never reach zero. You'll never turn around and go back down.
SandwichSwagger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I think this is what I meant, I'm just not very good at explaining things
Grasshopper21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine being known as the first man to thrust at escape velocity.
Olly0206 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:10:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While rocketing into orbit? That'd take some serious strength. You may accidentally kill someone in that thrust.
"How does it feel to be the first man to have sex in space?"
"Well...not as enjoyable as you'd think. She kind of exploded on impact."
aleand ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:46:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta get dem keywords in
Im_Not_That_OtherGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but faster.
VAGINA_BLOODFART ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right up my alley, then
foetuskick ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:34:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Event horizon porn.
That snuff lasts forever!
Adamapplejacks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still gonna be the same damn bald or british guy in every video ๐
urbandandelion ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*PornHubble
toadofsteel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somewhat-relevant XKCD
showyerbewbs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like....is it possible to be accelerating so fast that you finish but your body is literally moving so fast that the load can't escape the chamber?
woodrobin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:51:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, if the ejaculating astronaut (Ejacstronaut? Or Cumsmonaut, depending on country?) is facing the direction of acceleration, and the force of acceleration is greater than the force generated by the muscles that eject the semen, then you will have (as it were) a launch failure.
woodrobin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That one's not going to be pretty. High-g flattens things and pulls blood away from things that would make porn shoots unflattering at best, and impossible at worst.
maudlin_elephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure it would be impossible without some prosthetic help or something, because of the lack of gravity we're used to a man cannot get an erection. The blood does flow the same down there.
arcagenis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much science !
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ELI5 Escape Velocity porn?
bbravery99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagining trying to fuck at escape velocity. Doesn't sound enjoyable tbh
SmallTownJerseyBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't they already have a Black Holes category?
irving47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just made me realize, the second one is within reach... It'd be expensive, but a suitably funded porn company could hire out one of those planes that does the microgravity flights. It's been done before. Some of the weightless scenes in Apollo 13 were filmed on one with portable sets. Maybe a gofundme or something could "get them off the ground"
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did do parabolic flight zero-g porn once. Or someone did, at least.
mybustersword ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:31:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see space sex
Olly0206 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it'd be one very slow thrust and then a lot of swimming through the air to try and get back to each other.
nowhereman136 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:40:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun Fact: NASA has never officially studied sex in space and as far as we know no one has ever had sex in space. It's hard to tell if Russia had looked into though. Those are the Russian leaks I wanna see the most
be_my_plaything ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:47:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Officially is the key word here, I read on the internet that they send specially trained sex monkeys on every manned mission. Most of the flight time on Apollo 11 was spent by Armstrong and Aldrin watching to male Capuchin monkeys tug each other off and on Apollo 13 allegedly Jim Lovell made an Orangutan and a Bonobo have bum sex.
I mean I'm not saying it's true, but it's out there and some people are saying it is all.
nowhereman136 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:58:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then there may be astronauts working in their own "independent" studies that are officially off the books. Such as the nature of arousal in space and the mechanics of self stimulation.
Countless_Skeletons ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:56:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: When you spell " NEIL A rmstrong " backwards, It spells Alien.
spitfire8125 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:46:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gnortsmr, Alien.
spork-a-dork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Buzz Aldrin = Zzub Nirdla
CLEARLY an alien.
DiamondTiaraIsBest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/conspiracy
RazorSanguineX ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:22:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MIND BLOWN
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:30:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
spork-a-dork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME
puddyboy28 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you think they banged in the ISS yet ? like a little quicky somewhere inside there.
Fuck_Me_If_Im_Wrong_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't pornhub making a zero gravity porno? It's not the moon, but it's a start.
Ingino ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, without any atmospheric pressure, my dick could become as big as it wanted.
Quaaraaq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually because of the low gravity, your blood pressure would likely be too low to even get hard. Space gives everyone ED.
Kylearean ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hate to toss a wrench into your plans, but the Moon is covered in a layer of very fine, but incredibly abrasive and sharp moon rocks. It's course, it's rough, it's irritating, and it gets everywhere.
cruzbmx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
best answer
Spotmonkey_uk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:33:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Forget walking on the moon, we want someone wanking on the moon
Flyberius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone lived your dream.
http://gizmodo.com/5242736/how-an-intern-stole-nasas-moon-rocks
be_my_plaything ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, doesn't count... 82% of the appeal is the combined thrill of lower gravity, the sweet sweet smell of moon cheese and being watch by moon-monsters.
A bunch of moon rocks on Earth is just uncomfortable regular sex, it ain't proper moon sex, no way no how.
Flyberius ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:53:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I hope you find what you are after.
Though I have heard that erections don't work as well in low/micro gravity environments due to the lower blood pressure those environments promote.
It'll be like shoving a slug into a coin slot.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Flyberius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:58:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a big fear I have of going to space
Once in a life time experience vs. losing all I have to work with in the bedroom.
PipBoy808 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money shot in zero gravity:
"Dear God it's clogging the instruments!"
l0te ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/moonporn
Hexxknight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'd be outta this world.
DasFrettchen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We came (hihi) close to it already
TL;DR, guy steals lunar samples to impress his girlfriend, spreads the rocks over a bed and has sex there.
Sycou ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't pornhub raising funds to shoot a porno in space?
CreamyGoodnss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coconut Crater
MiataCory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't we tell Pornhub to rent the Vomit Comet and film a bit?
Or just have them buy their own Plane/Stuido. I'm sure they'd have the money for it with a cornered market.
geneadamsPS4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never knew I wanted this, too. Thank you for giving me a dream.
IlIIllIIIllIllIllIll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My bucket list has just grown by one item.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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blua95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there some porn company raising money to film a porn in space or something?
MuTangClan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like the coconut guy but on much larger scale?
unidan_was_right ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is porn in zero G.
SEND_ME_BITCHES ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
at a minimum zero gravity porn. Is it a thing yet?
Qwert-Dingies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean Moon Moon porn? I bet that exists
Mr_TVacation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never thought I wanted to watch moon porn, boy was I wrong. Now I'm curious
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cumshots in moon gravity. For science.
mobro_4000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Visionary.
QuickChicko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can only imagine the money shot taking off and leaving the moon's orbit, only to become the first human artifact to land on an alien planet. Then the aliens begin trying to figure out what and where it came from.
spork-a-dork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In space no one can hear you cum.
Superbuddhapunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microgravity boobs!
ShawarmaOrigins ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would a coconut suffice?
EpicMilk123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure there was an attempt at a pornhub space program
thats_pretty_nifty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon is kind of like a giant coconut.
soundselector ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about coconut instead?
JakeTheGreatM8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SpaceSeX
HAL__Over__9000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was an IndieGogo a year or two ago to raise money for space porn. It would have technically only been in orbit but it would still be zero gravity porn. Eva Lovia and Johnny Sins werr set to star in it and it would have been shot by Pornhub and Digital Playground. I want them to actually do it.
rugger62 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They did that in revenge of the nerds already
SeveredSmile ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would boobs jiggle as well though?
Lost_in_costco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for the first zero gravity money shot.
madscientist2407 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
interesting thought experiment..but is it even possible? I mean of course you can do it in artificially pressurized spaces but can you whip out ur junk on the surface of moon and not have it squished into pulp? I imagine it'll be a legendary tussle between ur own hard-on and atmospheric forces...
Sgt_Patman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't pornhub raising money like a year or 2 ago to make a zero gravity porno?
Yahweh_The_Almighty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:49:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The great coconut in the sky
ununfunny1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about Uranus porn.
nuclearpunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:39:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do we know Neil and Buzz didn't have a thing going on? ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
YouJustDownvoted ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/tipofmypenis
thatsnotfunnyatall_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's one big coconut
CoolAppz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
like I said in another life of mine on Reddit, while in the trip to the moon the couple can experience, for the first time, the zero-g spot...
CanadianGangsta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:20:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I thought you mean you want to fuck the Moon.
nick_cage_fighter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:59:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sucking .... on the moon?
awe778 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lunacy at its finest.
misszombification ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:28:28 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In space, no one can hear you cream!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
runs around the moon without pants
"IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU??"
BLACKMACH1NE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:01:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is making me laugh so hard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine being High af without gravity
T-Rekd ยท 772 points ยท Posted at 13:00:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing teeth. Like really fixing this dumb problem. We can put a man on the moon but we can't prevent some simple rot? I believe the mouth mechanics have a solution but it would jeopardize their industry. It's a crack pot theory but I bat it around in my head quite a bit. Well, 2 times a day for 2 minutes at least.
pikk ยท 326 points ยท Posted at 14:17:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ceramic coated titanium implants are really good. You just can't afford them.
And dentists are reluctant to install them if you still have mostly healthy teeth, because they, like most doctors, don't believe in unnecessary surgery.
bluew200 ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 17:33:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any implant can be rejected by the body, and there can be surgery complications, especially with anesthesia. Any dumb surgery can kill you, though the risk is considerably low.
StereoZ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:51:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Walking to the surgery could get you killed too, could get ran over on the way there. Like tf, let people do shit if it's very low risk.
Big_Red_Bastard ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 23:40:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but a doctor reasonably wouldn't want to bear any avoidable responsibility in someone's death. Walking to the store is only your decision. Receiving surgery also is the doctor's decision to give you surgery.
MartinBrodyMcFly ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 03:43:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why universal healthcare has some hiccups
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:46:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont think you know how universal healthcare works. Please educate yourself on the subject before attempting another witty comment that exposes you.
Ghosty141 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 03:35:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The likelyness if death or serious injury during surgery is wayyy higher than getting ran over on the way.
_unable ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 03:37:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
do tha math
bluew200 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:47:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replacing all teeth would count as a major surgery actually, dentists in most countries are prohibited from taking out all four wisdom teeth at once.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 23:46:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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notimeforniceties ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 02:07:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quote from article published in 2011:
:/
Looks like it's actually commercially available in Europe: https://www.credentis.com/en/products-markets/
AUGA3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just replace my entire skull with titanium, problem solved.
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it comes with increased vulnerability to Magneto, so there's definitely some downsides
HBlight ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:03:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is one expensive faceplant.
FaustKyu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:22:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unnecessary is the start to bionics. So lets get it going.
Tomnnn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:11:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How much would it cost me to get this elective surgery for all of my teeth?
TurdFerguson420 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 02:05:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depending on where you get one/what system is used, an implant can run anywhere from $4000-$10,000. Each.
Repeat 28 times.
RosemarysFetus ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 03:26:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll stick to brushing my teeth and visiting a dentist every now and again. Thank.
Tomnnn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 10:02:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mouth stuff is expensive
pass-the-butter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:25 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quick question, why do people throw down bundles of cash for implants when you can get a pair of dentures for a lot cheaper?
TurdFerguson420 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:45 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Implants are 100% worth the price. Conventional dentures, particularly on the lower arch, are never going to be completely stable. They shift around a lot and over time, the bone in your maxilla and mandible also resorbs so the dentures become looser and looser. Implants not only provide a stable base for dentures to be placed upon, but they actually drastically slow down bone loss over time. They are going to become cheaper over time as well, since the systems used for implant screws/abutments/crowns become standardized across the industry.
pikk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
google tells me 28K-280K
https://www.dentalimplantcostguide.com/
Tomnnn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:43:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm... so maybe I can just get some molars, some incisors, and a few front teeth. Or I can get holographic teeth and just give up on solid foods.
pikk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not that hard, just set a budget, save up enough for retirement, spend it all on getting new teeth instead, die from starvation, but have beautiful teeth
it's basically the next Gift of the Magi
veltrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ceramic onlays fully covering all teeth are pretty awesome too.
obviousflamebait ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hello fellow human, I too think this is a reasonable upgrade.
Puckhead88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol...wait, are you being serious?
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
https://www.dentalimplantcostguide.com/
bluew200 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:35:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem isnt really that much teeth as the gums.
We can put non-destructible teeth in your mouth, but we cannot stop bacteria from eating into your gums, making them expose your lower jaw and teeth etc.
Cause bacteria gets fed by your food too.
qsub234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so we just kill off all the bacteria that causes this?.
TurdFerguson420 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:58:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incredibly difficult. Would require a targeted antibiotic..which raises the concern of antibiotic resistance, oppurtunistic organisms (which might be even worse than what you were trying to kill..), systemic effects, etc.
RosemarysFetus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:27:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why did i read this in Mordin's voice?
bluew200 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:11:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is not possible.
CMMiller89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:19:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just brush your teeth, dude.
HaklePrime ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:37:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wasn't there recently a breakthrough involving a new Alzheimer's drug trial, that spontaneously grew teeth in adult rats?
http://www.newsweek.com/2017/02/03/alzheimers-drugs-helps-teeth-repair-cavities-547143.html
Not sure the validity of it, but it seems promising. I've brought it up to my dentist, and he knew of it, and said the professional community is buzzing about it as well.
Socialist-heathen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:49:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was coming here to say this, but you beat me to it!
Alfred_978 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:54:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already here. Permanent diamond grills.
GaySwans ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:39:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teeth aren't broken, our diets are.
DumbBrat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:34:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relevant SMBC
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks! XKCD was getting so overdone
dizekat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:18:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, getting rid of this and related bacteria altogether. Some bacteriophage mouthwash maybe. The thing is, our teeth don't just rot from little bits of food or sugar water. It takes a very specific bacteria - which everyone's infected with nowadays because of population density - to destroy the teeth.
m7nika ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:19:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would pay few thousand dollars for a simple procedure (like taking a pill, or a shot) which can fix all my teeth without any major pain.
thejestercrown ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:23:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the army tested chewing gum that contained bacteria that would out compete the bacteria in your mouth in order to prevent cavities. Not sure what happened- but i bet the gum tasted like shit.
JakePops ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:11:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's called brushing your teeth.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah, you're responsible for preventing the rot. brush, floss, mouthwash, etc. don't eat sugary foods often. brush your teeth after you do.
you can't just sit around with stank mouth saying "WHY AREN'T WE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS??" because it's you. you are not doing anything about it.
however I will agree that dental procedures feel pretty torturous; maybe we could figure something else out there.
Carlbuba ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 18:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Don't eat sugary foods often." Many food products have sugar in them, and low income families can be uneducated when it comes to what to buy. Did you know that colorful, attention grabbing cereal directed towards kids has way more sugar than adult cereal does? Why does cereal even need sugar? Also, people drink lots of soda, because they like it, but also because companies want you to buy their product and shove it in your face. Sure, we have ourselves to blame, but there is some level of deception and unfairness.
Do you play sports? Can lead to broken teeth. Depression? Can lead to improper hygiene. Rural area? Less connection to dentists and hygiene education.
And once something bad happens, it sucks ass, and it takes forever to get better.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 19:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes pedant there are exceptions to everything. you can still brush your teeth
coopiecoop ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sidenote: while (afaik) this is valid for sugary foods, it's not for certain fruits (like apples) or other foods that contain bigger amounts of acid.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah I meant more like the "use sparingly" part of the food pyramid ๐
veltrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And cutting sugar.
frankxanders ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously. I needed braces because genetics. I've never once required any other kind of dental work because I brush my fucking teeth and I do it well.
People are amazed when they find out I've made it to 30 without ever having a cavity. I'm amazed anyone ever gets cavities.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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frankxanders ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, just out of curiosity, since you're apparently an expert, did I have braces because I was breastfed for too long or not long enough?
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:22:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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frankxanders ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:30:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting. I wasn't breastfed at all, and neither were my two sisters. Only two of us needed braces though.
And, at the risk of sounding super full of myself: definitely didn't blame genetics for underdeveloped facial features making me unattractive. I come from a very long line of good looking people. Fairly certain I turned out alright myself.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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The_Lion_Defiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nestlรฉ must have paid people to downvote you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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frankxanders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I promise you didn't hurt my feelings at all โฅ๏ธโฅ๏ธ
NamesArentEverything ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*it circles your mind in gentle strokes
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 20:47:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Tasgall ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:50:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can get this by going outside and chewing on dirt...
The issue isn't "not enough types of minerals", it's getting the right ones.
FightingAgainstTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you think of charcoal toothpaste?
TurdFerguson420 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 00:01:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
please do not take the advice of someone who says "get toothpaste without fluoride" and goes on to say that himalayan salt will allow remineralization to occur. He/She is talking out of their ass.
Charcoal toothpaste "whitens" your teeth because its hugely abrasive and is stripping away enamel. Its awful.
FightingAgainstTime ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:14:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! Appreciate the advice!
cmdtekvr ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can cap every tooth when you're young and get it redone as needed. Not even a candy and soda addict will get a cavity when it's done right.
TurdFerguson420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:33:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is simply untrue. Secondary decay happens underneath crowns and bridges almost inevitably. Veneers not so much, but the possibility is still there.
EngelbertHerpaderp ยท 7231 points ยท Posted at 13:35:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of the two party system here in the States. It's so corrupt that instilling change by the people, for the people, would be a legitimate achievement.
theoterodactylslayer ยท 1547 points ยท Posted at 14:30:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In all of American politics. If you have strong feelings on two separate issues and they both don't magically align with one party, politicians won't ever fully represent you in Washington.
LabradorDali ยท 864 points ยท Posted at 15:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Newsflash. That will not change. My country has like 12 parties and it is really hard to agree fully with anyone om All important issues.
johntelles ยท 334 points ยท Posted at 16:27:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha Sucker! My country has 35 national parties, the majority of them have seats in the congress, and people still think they are unrepresented. Brasil ftw
melecoaze ยท 43 points ยท Posted at 16:57:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But most of those don't follow any kind of ideology whatsoever. Even sadder is that there are only so many parties because they make money selling TV slots to the bigger parties.
johntelles ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:07:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True that. You forgot to mention that besides selling TV slots, the parasite parties survive because of the partidary fund (OUR tax money)
I_Need_M0ney ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:( DEY TOOK OUR CASH!!!
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 19:12:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I started reading and thought 'hey it looks like my country wow'. Then you said Brazil and I laughed, spot on. God help us all, fellow countryman.
johntelles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"May god have mercy on this nation" - Cunha, Edward
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our own swiss prince.
magroski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[cries in portuguese]
Hint227 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:58:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only that, some ~20 of those 35 are actually all representing the same 0.5% of people! The rest are just a bunch of scarecrows that only represent themselves. Sad.
ds612 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:34:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least your women are pinnacles of female evolution.
superradish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes i represent the kill people with bricks party. we absolutely hate the kill people with knives party. they lack principles
ymmajjet ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:34:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have a lot as well! India btw The total number of parties registered was 1841, with 7 national, 49 state and 1785 unrecognised parties.
cudachal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was so nice of the Brazilian government to set up designated murder districts so that we have a one stop shop for all our murder related needs!
wilk3ns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck, I don't know how many parties we have in our country, but there is only one for a lifetime president. People still pissed off but pretending to be happy :D
fireinthesky7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could have 100 political parties and it wouldn't matter because they'll still all be corrupt as hell.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at you with your 35. Here we've got 182 parties and they're all pretty much the same fucking thing.
irljh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:14 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't your government corrupt as fuck
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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johntelles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, troll stranger
Decyde ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:36:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not have that in the US because bribers will have to throw around more lobby dollars.
HasselingTheHof ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:42:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost as if one person can't possibly represent millions of people :O
EmptyRook ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fix comes with the way people vote. A voting system like First Past the Post either leads to 2 parties or a minority party controlling the majority.
Cornupication ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:32:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scandinavian?
TheHateCamel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:17:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's called being a human being
SkeptioningQuestic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:15:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's almost like self government is about compromise or something.
Blackultra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why voting for people in the past was basically the only feasible option. Nowadays you could literally poll anyone with access to an internet connection for your "representation"
NinjaCowReddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
12 is still a lot better than 2.
tjsr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest problem is the first-past-the-post system. It would have a fighting chance if the system were switched to an STV/preferential system.
jeffosaurusrex ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The two party system thing is a cliche. They don't think about it before they say it.
anotherhumantoo ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:13:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But even still, 2 parties is, on average, worse than more, in a system of voting that supports more than 2 parties (the US system does not support more than 2 in more than just theory, due to first past the post)
dogdiarrhea ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:24:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canada and the UK both use FPTP for parliament and have more than two parties.
captainnate3rd ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:38:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah there are more than 2 parties in the UK but there's only a realistic chance of 2 of them ever getting into power. Most people consider a vote for any one of the other parties a waste, and because they consider it a waste it becomes one, it's a self perpetuating cycle. Lots of people I know (myself included) only voted for the party they did because it was one of the two major parties and they didn't want the other one to win.
moloko5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't have a national election where the head of state is voted in directly by the voters. That's why you see an equilibrium of two parties (or even worse one) in presidential systems compared to parliamentary systems that can support multiple regional and issue based parties and form coalition governments.
Still_plays_madden09 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:37:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think anyone will be fully represented, but wouldn't it be crazy if they actually represented their district's overall wishes instead of the party's?!
Taftimus ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like me. I agree and disagree with both political parties too much to side with one of them.
John_Wilkes ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to politics. Given there are dozens of important issues, each of which has several possible positions, this situation always exists for many people, even in Europe's five or six party systems. You would have to have hundreds of parties for that to happen. In fact, the US's primary system actually means you get can more heterogenous politicians than you get in Europe.
Sometimes you just have to accept that you can't have your perfect politician and choose the one that is most likely to progress the country on average.
Hapmurcie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the best we can do. Get used to it.
John_Wilkes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh a bad thing has happened? That must mean all politicians are awful and we shouldn't vote for any of them. It's not like that's ever let in dangerous extremists recently.
Hapmurcie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What an odd blueprint for a straw house.
daspanda1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:53:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think guns are cool but also like... trans-people deserve to pee wherever they feel comfortable.
Foxehh2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With so many different people in the country and everyone having difference beliefs is it really realistic for someone to represent specifically you? I don't like the two party system but I feel that's a fair argument for it - with so many small nuances in political opinions people need a general choice so everyone can compromise. My main problem with it is that it almost feels like Communism does in the sense that human nature completely defeats the entire system.
CrudelyAnimated ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I probably learned most of what I know about this from CPGrey, but being able to vote for more than one candidate would help. Just being able to vote for two candidates greatly increases the chances of a minor candidate tying or winning.
PM_me_goat_gifs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, if you have strong feelings on an issue that isn't already hyper-politicised, it is much easier to effect meaningful change.
<State assemblywoman's staffer, reading another letter about abortion, signed by 15 people>: nope tosses in bin
<State assemblywoman's staffer, reading a letter about some previously-unknown issue signed by 15 people>: Hey Kerri, look at this!
Why? Because if you're bringing her a new issue, she knows that she can actually have a hope of getting things done.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Americans having strong feelings on things that don't concern them is exactly your problem. You want a party that represents you 110% and so does everyone else. And no one is willing to compromise. No system will ever work in the US until there is a huge cultural change towards more tolerance.
Hammedic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. OP's point was, as I interpreted it, eliminating the two party majority. You're absolutely right that people want a party they can fully support, because "fuck the other guys". The benefit of 3 or more parties holding significant seats in government is that more people will feel represented by more specific parties. And best of all, it makes it harder for any party to have a majority where they can ignore all other opinions.
People are so chronically disappointed with representatives from Republican or Democrat parties, yet we keep electing them. Many 3rd party candidates don't have the funds to get their name out there or they run an unprofessional campaign. It's frustrating.
theoterodactylslayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's mostly the "us and against them" way of thinking. Saying I vote democratic isn't the same as saying I hate guns. Maybe I trusted the person more than the other guy.
xguy_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to mention people will attack you for being an "indecisive centrist".
lamp4321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of how it always will be and always have been. If you're someone that agrees with EVERY single thing a certain politician does and disagrees with EVERY single thing another certain politician does, then you're a sheep
HappyPlace003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's why people should focus on the individual and not the party.
mobprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if we didn't have parties, but we just vote for people based on their beliefs and stand points. So basically the same concept now but we get rid of labels, bc people have to stick with their brand no matter what. Well what if there was no brand to stand by just the people you align with?
AgoraiosBum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the goal is "perfect alignment" no politician or party will ever be satisfying
theoterodactylslayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not perfect alignment that's the goal. It's getting rid of the mindset of voting one way pigeon holes you into a certain set of predetermined views.
fancymoko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My poly-sci professor used to tell us the best way to get your point of view represented is to run for office.
obviousflamebait ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY.
slapdashbr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's math. Elections are a competitive system. A two-party system is a stable equilibrium under many conditions.
The fact that some countries have more than 2 major parties is due to the way their legislatures are filled, in addition to the fact that there are many dimensions (issues) which parties can organize along, or place emphasis on.
big-butts-no-lies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you have feelings on any issue, and you're not part of the richest 10% of Americans, politicians don't represent you at all.
DickIomat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking hate that shit. What happened to one dude just having some good ideas that aren't the agenda of a larger interest group? I think Reddit should be president, and we make all of our decisions by upvotes vs downvotes. True democracy via internet strangers.
Sure the first month would be filled with Dickbutt statues being erected everywhere and maybe a few legitimate wars about memes, but after that the possibilities are endless.
Maybe we just create the Reddit party instead of republican or democratic parties and see where it goes.
PM_me_goat_gifs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This happens all the time, but it is usually local politics and tautalogically low-conflict and therefore doesn't make entertaining news coverage.
Thorimus ยท 434 points ยท Posted at 14:40:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The solution is simple: Get rid of the first-past-the-post system. Unfortunately it isn't going to happen because the people who would vote to change it are those two parties, who I doubt would willingly let anyone else compete.
dustotter ยท 93 points ยท Posted at 14:57:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'm a big fan of rank voting. Maybe if it starts in cities, and then the states, it could happen.
ValueBasedPugs ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have that in 11 US cities.
Parysian ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 17:27:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice, let's make it 50 states and we'll have a deal.
HardlightCereal ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:08:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instant runoff FTW
moloko5 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:48:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The key though is the first past the post national election for the head of state. This naturally causes parties to either merge or replace each other in prominence until an equilibrium of two dominant national parties is achieved. To change that you need a constitutional amendment, because even if states allocate their electors proportionally or via rank voting, ultimately there is incentive to get to 50% of the electoral vote and in turn be a party that represents at least half the country.
DaddyCatALSO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I envision a non-=partisan Presidential race. Run by the Fed, likely contracting individually with t he states to handle it but Federally paid for. A qualifying round to choose those candidates for the main round, with more than one way to qualify. Then those candidates in the main to select the POTUS, with provision for a run-off of one sort or another or a third. It won't fix everything but it would I think lead to a better place. /u/camipco
moloko5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps, but I think an amendment to alter the presidential election in a meaningful way is a non-starter. What incentive is there for 2/3 of congress and 3/4 of the states to do that when they are all run by the current two parties? I think what is best is if people learn about the way our government works and understand that compromise is always going to happen. It doesn't matter if it's your more closely aligned representative compromising with other representatives to vote for a head of state or pass laws or it's you as an individual having to compromise to vote for the better of two choices. The mechanism that people on the left, who always seem to advocate this, have to get a better president is in the primary process. They should aim to make the Democratic Party the party of Bernie Sanders. They came very close to doing that just last year. They've come nowhere near what they would need to do in order to disincentivise the two party equilibrium. What's frustrating to me is that talking about eliminating the two party system is really a waste of time that comes from not understanding how a presidential system works and the history of those systems. This time is better spent trying to use the mechanisms available to shift the government toward your liking.
DaddyCatALSO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, I agree, getting the politicos to do it is another matter. The first big advantage as I see it it reduces the need for the legislative party to kneejerk oppose of support the President "because of The Party," it creates a separation between the two factors of the majority versus the leader
dustotter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but first you need the citizens who would advocate for this change to understand and embrace the change. Which is why I think a change in the cities would be a good start, and maybe make it easier implement in the presidential election. Plus, it would give us opportunities to see if the system works, or if perhaps another system, such as approval voting (which I personally do not like as much at this time) would work better.
camipco ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:17:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instant Runoff isn't actually that great a solution. For a start, in most cases it has preserved the two party system. Second, it can lead to some really weird and counter-intuitive results.
Approval voting is simpler and more effective.
But while first-past-the-post is a big factor in the two party system, it's also just the fact of the scale of their power and establishment in all levels of government. You can't be the chair of a committee in congress unless you align with one of the big parties. The parties can provide all kinds of support to you in running a campaign. And most importantly, perhaps, the parties are a almost-universal shorthand for what you represent. Take trump. Please. But seriously, there's no way he would have won without the (R) by his name. Even though he rejected many of their core policies, and invented new ones. Even though he used relatively little of their money and network. The fact is that a huge number of people voted for him just because he was the gop candidate. And changing that power will take far more than a voting system.
evaned ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I suspect, in practice, approval voting would have the first problem too. (Though note that if the parties change positions in response to the voting system, you could still have (R) and (D) all over the place but a successful voting system.)
Approval voting can definitely have the latter as well (any voting system will; thanks Kenneth Arrow), and I suspect it's more prone to it than instant runoff.
camipco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Approval voting can have undesirable results - mostly likely that a candidate is elected that everyone feels kinda "meh" about. But I don't think it suffers from the same "wtf just happened" problem as IRV.
Cyclotrom ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 16:26:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually more feasible than most people think, if you start at the local level and them move up. There is no reason why this is not the Legal Marihuana of the next decade.
Here is a list of place in the USA that already use it:
You can help by pushing for it in your community.
http://www.fairvote.org/advocacy
1norcal415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how the Bay Area is leading the way on this issue <3
kontrpunkt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:55:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a country with a Proportional representation system. It is insanely inefficient. Decision making is all about making compromises, and in a proportional representation method, you get a parliament/government that can't compromise on anything, so it doesn't take any decisions. Nothing gets done. It just distributes funds to the disproportionately powerful scale tipping small parties. We export technologies to the whole world but can't implement them domestically. We don't even have a subway system.
BTW, this system was the cause of the Nazis' rise to power.
LiveRealNow ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:45:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds wonderful....
Thorimus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... no democratic system works? We either get one shitty system where we choose between two shitty parties or another shitty system where nothing gets done?
That's kind of depressing.
Where do you live?
Waltonruler5 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the book Against Democracy by Jason Brennan. The reason democracies don't really work as intended is because of low levels of political knowledge. Increased political participation doesn't fix that. Reading about rank voting and such doesn't encourage me because that would track public opinion better, and public opinion is bad.
Representative democracy tends to do better than pure democracy because representatives are less beholden to the pure majority opinion and can track educated opinion better. That said, epistocracy does pose a viable alternative.
kontrpunkt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assume you're American, so yes, you are stuck with the shitty system that made you into the most succesful country in the history of this planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:24:11 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kontrpunkt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:53:16 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where did I say entirely?
Either you assume the government system has no influence on the accomplishments of the country, and then what's it to you, or you assume that it does, and then you have to take the accomplishments into consideration when judging the system.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:28 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kontrpunkt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:20 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is true democracy? Eventually you need to take a single decision that effects the welfare of a multitude of people. Even when you take the opinions of these multitudes into question, you will always have to compromise. Are you lamenting the need to compromise? Or are you lamenting the fact that a group of millions will not have a single opinion? The only question is how to find a mechanism that ensures that the compromises that are made are accepted.
Here are some impossibility theorems for you. They show that compromise is necessary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbard%E2%80%93Satterthwaite_theorem
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:54:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Nixflyn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear we need to teach really low end psychology/human behavior/logic in high school. Just enough so people have an understanding of things like [very basic] game theory as it applies to politics, the tragedy of the commons, etc. It's aggravating how little people understand of voting, representation, and the math behind the two party system.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course it will not happen overnight at the top. It would require the support of Congresspeople who are naturally satisfied with the system that had the good sense to put them in power and keep them there.
But it could start at the local level, where things are potentially more volatile. When people see it and learn to trust it, it could be adopted in other areas and at higher levels.
harryjonathanchong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:56:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was up to me, I would have government funded media, and make it so that everyone would have equal access to it. So, a TV channel, a radio station, and a website acting as platforms for various politicians, where they would be entitled to equal say, and not one person would get more time.
[deleted] ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 14:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 87 points ยท Posted at 14:38:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're telling me I should just move, got it.
bjlmag ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:44:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The public sucks and that won't change with a Parliament.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:39:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Touchรฉ. With an uninformed populace, democratic systems, even democratic republics, are doomed to at least have major trouble. Our education system in the US is one of our many crappy systems that needs reform.
bjlmag ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. With an educated population, even the current system would work much better.
[deleted] ยท -77 points ยท Posted at 14:41:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lungabow ยท 100 points ยท Posted at 15:05:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus, what do they teach you guys in American schools?
HardlightCereal ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:07:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this
lungabow ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 15:12:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is still the creepiest thing I've heard about American schools. That and the worship of the US military when I went to an MLS game
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:28:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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KKlear ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 17:08:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what you are saying is that it's mostly just the small kids that are exposed to this awfulness? Phew! Glad to hear that!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Foxprowl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:57:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you're ignorant.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:15:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
o7
BuschWookie ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:06:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would be horrified if you talked to a southerner.
Doggy_yggoD ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey I'm a southerner and I disagree with this guy just as much as you all; please don't lump us all together.
limabear1235 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:35:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're no southerner.
Doggy_yggoD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:17:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol I almost said y'all but I was afraid that would hurt the point I was trying to make.
Kreyvoc ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it's almost like people can be from anywhere and have their own opinions.
Le_jack_of_no_trades ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:18:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my opinion, you are wrong
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't stereotype regions like that, please, there's just as many "The United States government has done nothing but fuck me" in the south as there are flag-worshippers. This idea of a South which is simultaneously still fighting the Civil War and screaming "God Bless America!" is ridiculous to me.
sanitation123 ยท 86 points ยท Posted at 14:48:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are plenty countries more "free" than the US. According to the Human Freedom Index as of 2016 the US is the 23rd most "free" country.
ReverendWrinkle ยท -56 points ยท Posted at 15:32:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which countries have free speech rights as extensive as the Unites States?
I'll answer for you. None.
MrYOLOMcSwagMeister ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 23:21:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They bleep the fucking f-word out on tv in America, how is that freedom of speech?
Gibslayer ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 15:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which countries have militarised police at the same level as America... I'll answer for you... None.
See if you pick some random things out you can make either side look horrific.
ReverendWrinkle ยท -43 points ยท Posted at 15:47:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In what way has the police been militarized? They're given equipment to help them perform their job efficiently and more safely.
Gibslayer ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 16:01:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well for a starts they have war grade weapons and vehicles like armoured cars capable of withstanding IEDs.
Things that have resulted in some pretty insane events in the US.
The MOVE Bombing: Killed 11 people and left 250 people homeless. Carried out by police with FBI supplied explosives.
Ruby Ridge: Police armed with sniper rifles, assault weapons and armoured vehicles killed two innocent members of family of a criminal.
Reported incidents after hurricane katrina of security forces executing looters.
Reports of police arresting protested is Denver with no proper reason.
In February 2010, the Minneapolis Police Department raided the apartment of Rickia Russell, breaching the door and throwing in a flashbang grenade, as part of a search for drugs. At the time, Russell was eating dinner with her boyfriend and the exploding grenade gave her burns to her head and calves. No drugs were found in Russell's apartment.
The Oakland Police Department used excessive force while breaking up Occupy Oakland demonstrations in 2011. Several protesters successfully sued the city of Oakland, California for their injuries; Scott Olsen was severely injured after being hit in the head with a police projectile.
On May 28, 2014, a SWAT team looking for drugs in a Cornelia, Georgia home threw a flashbang grenade into the house. The grenade landed in the playpen of a 19-month-old baby boy, and the detonation severely burned and mutilated the baby's face.
ReverendWrinkle ยท -48 points ยท Posted at 16:03:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything you mentioned has something to do with human error and nothing to do with "militarization of police".
Gibslayer ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 16:08:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right... Human errors which would never taken place if the police didn't have access to that equipment.
The fact a police force can use a flash bang on a house with suspected drugs in it is insane.
Loads of other police forces in the west seem to a excellent job without such extreme weapons.
It has everything to do with militarisation of the police force.
ReverendWrinkle ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 16:10:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotcha. Maybe we can supply our police officers with teddy bears. That would put a stop to crime.
Gibslayer ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:14:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could just not give them flashbands, grenades, insane amounts of snipers and specialised tank like vehicles.
Heavy weaponry like assault rifles and snipers should be kept for very high level issues with proper plans in place or emergencies like a active shooter.
You police have snipers facing protests, which is mad.
Again Police outside the US like the UK manage to handle this divide pretty well.
[deleted] ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 17:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cops are militarized"
"Nuh uh no they aren't"
"Yes they are they have combat transport vehicles and assault rifles and look at all these instances where they kill innocents with their military equipment"
"Dur so they suld git teddy bears?!?"
Jesus you're a daft fucker.
ReverendWrinkle ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 17:33:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I addressed your hyperbole with hyperbole of my own.
A police force needs to be better armed than criminals. If criminals are able to get assault weapons, do you not feel cops should be able to counter those weapons?
Ttabts ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 19:09:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Maybe take an example from any other first world country which has much less of "human error" as you put it, while also having much less crime.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:12:06 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And they're not given the training to be using this new military equipment
TemplesOfSyrinx ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 17:51:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free speech laws alone don't define what freedom for a country is.
Besides, it seems to me that the Americans are always censoring things. They're always bleeping out swear words and nipples.
TheSciences ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 02:19:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of Janet Jackson's tits brought the entire county to a standstill.
Usurer ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:27:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh, the entirety of the free world? Only difference being everyone else realized that hate speech is entirely counterproductive.
ReverendWrinkle ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:39:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, so no free speech.
So who decides what you're allowed to say? The government? So what happens when criticism of the government is "hate speech"?
People are already going to jail for speaking out against mass immigration into their countries.
BothBawlz ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 21:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens when the US government hears what you have to say, doesn't like it, and detains you without trial based on suspicion of "terrorism"?
No free speech.
ReverendWrinkle ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 21:17:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The standards required for being considered a terror suspect is fairly high. Much higher than being arrested for criticizing Islam in Europe or losing your kid in Canada for not encouraging a child's mental illness.
Shik3i ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 03:22:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah Guantanamo bay, NSA, censorship, Patriot act....such a free country
lazylazycat ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:14:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you call it free speech, doesn't mean it is. American media is so heavily censored, it's laughable.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 09:15:56 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but maybe you shouldn't have them laws, maybe you should shut the fuck up for awhile.
The freedom index takes into consideration more than this one thing, it takes in a whole bunch of criteria and you fucking losers came out 23rd. Now given that you guys also place around that place again for Maths I'll help you out. There are 22 other countries more free than the United States of America.
I live in Ireland, I am more free than you.
Edit: shut the fuck up, not shit the fuck up.
Vandelay_Latex_Sales ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:57:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, the jingoism is strong with this one.
Ttabts ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 19:02:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh, I'm happy with my comprehensive public health insurance, free university education, extensive public transit options, 5x lower crime rate, and good social safety net.
"...but do you get to post racist shit on the internet???"
Whatever makes ya feel better...
bjlmag ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 14:43:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What kind of batshit propoganda have you (not legally, like many other countries) been smoking?
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -33 points ยท Posted at 14:47:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you give us an example of a better country instead of flinging insults then?
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 17:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Western/Central/Northern Europe all have better infrastructure, better internet, less obese people, higher education, Higher pay, less prisoners, annnnnnnd a whole lot of other shit that I've forgotten and won't bother looking up because if you don't already know about these things you probably won't pay any attention.
bjlmag ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:02:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, if a quick Google search was too much for you.
The U.S. didn't even make the top 20 in 2016.
Just because politicians can buy ignorant votors by constantly mentioning "muh freedom" and swinging around the military's big dick doesn't mean the U.S. is more free by real metrics.
superswellcewlguy ยท -28 points ยท Posted at 19:26:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is that a real metric? It lists countries like the U.K. and Canada as being more free, when both have far more restrictive laws. Their free speech laws are borderline nonexistent and the same applies to their firearms laws. In what ways are these countries more free than the U.S. in terms of things that actually matter? Other than that most acts of bestiality are legal in Canada.
bjlmag ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 21:47:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A quick glance at the actual source could help you.
superswellcewlguy ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 22:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I read the basic things it takes into account, like how it measures business regulation and access to sound money. They're way to general to say what specifically they find better about these countries. If it's such a viable metric you should be able to explain what makes it so reliable, right? But clearly, you don't actually know what it's comprised of and are just trying to find any source that agrees with you.
bjlmag ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 23:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, kid.
superswellcewlguy ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 23:35:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still not explaining what exactly makes these countries more or less free. You're not fooling anyone.
bjlmag ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 23:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not going to read an incredibly comprehensive publication to you any more than I'd change your daiper. You being too lazy to educate yourself doesn't actually reflect on me at all. I don't owe you anything.
superswellcewlguy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 00:56:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you didn't even read your own source but you expect others to? You're calling me lazy and you don't even know what you just cited like the hypocrite you are.
bjlmag ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 01:25:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're just humiliating yourself at this point by trying to direct any part of this at me. You don't have any reason at all to suggest I haven't read anything simply because I'm not spoon-feeding it to you.
You didn't understand the metrics used.
You didn't bother to look at the source before making a fool out of yourself.
You came to complain without a basic understanding of the topic at hand.
Despite all this, you have the audacity to act as though you're entitled to a point-to-point explanation from me, and blame your stupid failure of an argument on me?
All I did was post a source to someone else entirely. If you want to understand the source, read the fucking source. I don't owe my time to any idiot who stumbles into a thread and doesn't have any reading comprehension.
Fuck off, troll.
superswellcewlguy ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 02:38:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I told you, I read what they metrics were and don't find them to be valid considering the judgement they gave the countries. The fact that you're getting so incredibly defensive and angry while at the same time not defending anything from the actual source makes it obvious that you didn't actually read it. If you did, you would have no problem explaining what makes it so viable.
If you expect anyone to believe that you don't have time to explain and defend the metric but do have the time to write multiple comments about how you can't do it then you're delusional.
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -49 points ยท Posted at 15:18:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes. Other than China the top 10 are homogenous nearly all white countries. Makes sense.
[deleted] ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 19:02:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What difference do multiple races in a country have on freedom? How does that affect it in anyway? Answer: it doesnt. Idiot
loptthetreacherous ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:33:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New Zealand has close to the same percentage of white people as the US . . . 67.6% for New Zealand, 63% for USA
[deleted] ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:41:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get out of here with your facts.
superswellcewlguy ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 19:27:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U.S. is only 55% white and declining when you factor out middle eastern people as white.
loptthetreacherous ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:35:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any source for that? This has it at 63.7%.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:59:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would a country be less free because it has more black people anyway?
Churchul ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:01:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LET s listen to loafer comment about race!!!
superswellcewlguy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Notice how it doesn't list Middle Eastern people and Jewish people as their own groups, it's because they're categorized under whites for the purpose of that census. Separate them and you get the 55% white population data.
loptthetreacherous ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:25:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When we remove them, will you start crying "But those Italians have some olivey looking skin, we shouldn't count them either"?
superswellcewlguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering most people consider Jewish people and Middle Eastern people to be their own ethnicities it's fair to say that they shouldn't be classified under white.
Kang_andor_Kodos ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 15:31:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asks for source
Doesn't like it
Makes excuse
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 15:32:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet I'm still right. Hmm
Foxehh2 ยท 42 points ยท Posted at 15:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How did you come up with that conclusion? He has literal evidence and you have quips.
bjlmag ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:44:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This person clearly isn't interested in truth, just whatever goalpost-shifting, racism, and reckless disregard for facts can make it feel better.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:41:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that what you asked for?
AmericanSamoa6666 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 07:45:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL Switzerland is homogenous despite having a major language divide within its own population.
loptthetreacherous ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 21:50:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only Americans would think someone questioning their country being the best at something is an insult.
txarum ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 14:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how about most of europe?
[deleted] ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 15:03:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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txarum ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:14:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
still nowhere near your highscore I'm afraid
bjlmag ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:06:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red herrings just make your argument look worse.
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really haven't heard about the terror attacks in Europe in the past few years?
bjlmag ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:25:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hearing what the news puts out doesn't overshadow actual metrics and statistics. This type of thoughtless acceptance of fearmongering doesn't change reality. You're more likely to be killed by someone texting and driving than you are by a terrorist.
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:27:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you have heard of the terror attacks in Europe in the past few years.
[deleted] ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 15:42:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you remember Orlando? Everyone has terror attacks. Stop trying to make it political.
bjlmag ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:29:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, and again, hearing about something still doesn't change reality, and your shitty red herring still hasn't turned into a point. Goodness you're like a toddler just saying "why" over and over because you don't have a damn clue how anything works.
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it a red herring when there have actually been terror attacks?
bjlmag ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:36:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At this point I'm responding for the benefit of anyone else with reading comprehension stumbling into this thread.
Terror attacks, though covered more in the news, are almost completely a non-issue compared to virtually any other cause of death. More people are killed by falling down stairs than terrorists. Statistically, you're still more likely to be killed by right-wing extremists (white folks, to be clear) than by Islamic terrorists.
Still, this shockingly simple concept is apparently too hard for you to grasp, and I'm done wasting my time trying to have a discussion with somebody who hasn't brought one worthwhile thought to the table.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SeizwhatIdidThere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scroll up I was in a reply chain about terror attacks lol
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 15:15:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean those homogenous all white countries?
aotedm ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, there are literally no european countries without a 100% white population. Thank you for enlightening me to this fact
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:28:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol. Of course no country is 100% all one skin color.
But if you look at all of those small European counties they are very homogenous and overwhelmingly white lmao
Thertor ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 16:01:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last time I checked several European countries have a higher migration percentage than the USA.
Malacai_the_second ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 19:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny how europe is 100% homogenous white and overrun by muslims at the same time, depending on the topic.
bjlmag ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 04:41:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
muh compartmentalization
Kang_andor_Kodos ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you arguing for less freedom based on racial diversity?
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When did I say that?
DasHungarian ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:21:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever been to France???
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the country that has been plagued by migrants and terror attacks in the past few years? Why the hell would I want to go there lmao
[deleted] ยท 46 points ยท Posted at 15:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think he's referring to France, the country with lower crime rates than the US.
bjlmag ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 15:56:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll trigger it with those facts and valid points.
sneer0101 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you live in a country where the murder rate is 6 times higher, so you tell me.
one_pint_down ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Urban gangs throw those numbers off though!!!
Schrodingerscatamite ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 03:15:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I often forget that urban gangs aren't real people. Thanks for reminding me
one_pint_down ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:46:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do I really need to add the /s ?
Schrodingerscatamite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 10:31:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your cumulative downvotes suggest: apparently. I didn't downvote you FWIW. But others i guess have dealt with people making the same argument, only in seriousness
DasHungarian ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point I was trying to make is France is very diverse.
PerfectHair ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:12:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So wait, it's not homogenous now?
txarum ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:17:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if you disregard facts then yes
trashpen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:20:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lolololll ๐
SeizwhatIdidThere ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:19:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those small European nations aren't homogenous and nearly all white?
AmericanSamoa6666 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 07:46:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Our country can't be free because we have black people"
[deleted] ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 14:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Malacai_the_second ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 19:41:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Urgh, i hate when this is brought up, since it is such a misleading title. Most of the arrested guys were part of a neonazi group called "Reichsbรผrger" that was communicating through a facebook group. Just a few days before those arrests, one memeber of the group shot a cop through a door when they came to check up on his gun license. They were discussing ideas about harming refugees online, which is illegal, hence the arrests.
[deleted] ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 20:07:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Shik3i ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 03:28:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"shot a cop" Germany arrest him "Germany has crossed a line on free speech" Yeah seems legit to me....
bjlmag ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:00:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A single anecdotal instance without context just makes your argument look weaker.
lappro ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea definitely keep that close minded view to make sure nothing is going to improve for you guys.
downonthesecond ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thousands already said that, they haven't.
rad2themax ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:41:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have multiple parties in Canada, but only 2 really count (like the US) except for recently when our third party became a real option federally and started making progress to becoming a real three party system. Then we got Mulcair and he's a twat, but still. Yes I know the Green party and Bloc have spots in Parliament too. But realistically only the NDP has a chance at the top.
audigex ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing to note here is that all 3 are loosely based on the British parliamentary system.
Multi-party systems can and do work in the rest of the world, and usually lead to slightly less decisive, but more sensibly middle-ground, governments. In politics, compromise is usually a good thing.
Right now in our 3 countries, slightly more than half the people get their own way, and slightly less than half have to put up with it. In most of (the rest of) Europe, though, the parties have to compromise and while nobody is entirely happy, the end result is something everyone can usually live with.
I do think that the UK/US/Canadian type systems usually lead to stronger governments, but IMO that ends up being a weakness: that just makes it easier for a slight majority to strongly over-rule the minority.
Erityeria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bring back the Rhinoceros party!!
looklistencreate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only guy who could get the NDP to beat the Liberals is dead now. And the Liberals are who you'd need to beat--there's no way the NDP is going to coalition with the Conservatives.
rad2themax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% I miss Layton.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:17:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What we need is voting reform, not a parliamentary system.
looklistencreate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just a US thing. It's a law of politics. Any pluralistic system is going to have two big coalitions: government and opposition. The main difference between the US party system and those of parliamentary countries is that we form our coalitions before the election, rather than after.
kernevez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
France is a FPTP system and we have (had I guess, one is dying now so let's see what comes next) a two party system, it never stopped other parties from being relevant enough to have their voice heard.
Elected for presidency, no, but relevant, yes.
I guess having two rounds also allows for coalitions not before but during and after the election.
gaviidae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The current system would allow regional third parties that agree on one candidate for president. For example, Cascadia Republicans could get elected in Washington and Oregon by shunning the Southern beliefs and focusing on what is important in the Northwest and then not run a candidate for president every four years.
AirieFenix ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in a place with more than two parties. About the whole corruption thing, well I have news for you...
EDIT: words added.
beatokko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. It's power and money that corrupts people.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:27:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Eschatonbreakfast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Presidential systems tend to devolve into authoritarian regimes because there's no real accountability between the executive and legislature. The US has been an outlier in this regard, it's thought, because our parties weren't traditionally that polarized.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AgoraiosBum ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:27:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A "message" and "policy" are two different things. He just lied all the time and was fully supported by right wing media in all of his lies.
Electing a fraud isn't the system "working"
TheGforMe ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be awesome. While we're at it, we could get rid of lobbying, corporate power, and greed. All of those things taint our political system to the point that it is no fun anymore.
looklistencreate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:35:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason change "by the people, for the people" hasn't happened isn't because it's stifled from on high, it's because there legitimately isn't popular consensus on the issues.
brkello ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:13:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the worst top answers. If you think multi-party systems, where the majority party has to negotiate with the very small extremist parties to get something passed, is superior than having two parties, you really haven't looked in to it. The problem we have is one party isn't governing in good faith and massive right wing propaganda machines. If we had two legitimate parties that listened to the people, there wouldn't be this perceived massive problem.
Nixflyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, we still have that problem in the US, we just deal with it before the election rather than after. Our crazies are the tea party and the alt right, that the Republicans have to bend over backwards for. Both parties are big tent coalitions and we just appease our crazies earlier than they do in parliamentary systems.
Eschatonbreakfast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In multiple party systems, coalitions are formed after the election. In two party systems it happens before the elections.
MahoneyBear ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:46:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of America would rather point at the other party and say "their fault" than ask "why isn't this working"
AgoraiosBum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:29:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you can sit down, look at the facts, and then apportion blame as it should be apportioned. Which also makes it clear that Republicans are at fault, in deciding to obstruct everything Obama did just because he was a Democrat and almost defaulting on the debt and shutting down the government because they thought it would hurt the Democrat.
Republicans were fine with stimulus measures before Obama. It was only after he was elected that they decided to be against it.
Sklain ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And become Mexico, where there's like 30 parties and only one of them (PRI) ever wins.
caramelfrap ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao yeah if you think the US Congress plays politics too much imagine how tricky they'll need to get to get 19 coalitions together to pass anything
huggalump ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya know ... I used to be on board with having more parties, but these days I'm not so sure. I watched a documentary on Hitler and realized that one thing that allowed him to take so much control over Germany is that the country was fractured into so many political parties. After his won X amount of support, even though it wasn't a majority, he was able to crush the power of the other parties.
The American parties are certainly corrupt, and I think we could fix that with adjusting lobbying regulation. However, there might be value to the gridlock of a 2 party system.
toaste ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winning a plurality is how Trump won the nomination. The Republicans had Bush, Cruz, Carson, Kasich, and Rubio in it with their various supporters basically until the end, and Trump only needed to secure more support than any one of them.
I'd like to see major parties completely reform how they conduct primaries. Primary elections would get held in the spring, on a set date for all parties. All citizens get to choose to vote in one primary, via approval voting. This'd fix candidates early in the cycle and ensures that most party supporters could live with their nominee.
rustyshackleford193 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha wow.
"more than 2 parties is literally hitler"
huggalump ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, if that's what you want to read into my post, I suppose I can't stop you.
rustyshackleford193 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:33:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey quit being a nazi
huggalump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:08:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what direction we're going anymore.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with a multiparty system is that coalition governments rely on trading of votes more than to do on compromise. Which can be just as corruptive.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justin Amash, a Republican congressman, has openly called for the end of the Republican party. He hates the two party system. There are some politicians out there who agree with the people.
one_pump_trump ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:00:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think two party isn't the problem. The problem is picking a candidate in the first round that best represents your beliefs to run in the general (Trump, Jeb, Paul, etc). If we move away from first-past-the-post in those, we can get primary candidates that better align with the views of those in that general set of beliefs.
Also, popular vote nationwide as the winner, not electoral college. We live in a society where we can tally the popular vote within hours after poll closings. In the old days, it took a long time to share the news on who won the popular vote.
ExpensiveTableLamp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Third party . . . The Comcast party
JustA_human ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would Comcast make a new party when it already owns 2?
NoUploadsEver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might happen. Trump is not a Bush republican and is putting pressure on the worst of that party, and the democrat's current leadership is so incompetent and openly corrupt that they might self destruct.
_alba ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, American politics are fucked up. I can't believe lobbying is legal. It's literally bribing people and everyone is used to it? If this happened anywhere else people would flip shite
TheLethargicMarathon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You guyz are cray cray. When you boil off the bullshit your left with a simple spectrum. Getting rid of the party system wont change it.
On one side we have More social progress and more money for corporations, and on the other side we have less social progress and more money for corporations. Though a lot of the time we don't see this social progress because both sides of the spectrum agree that more money for corporations is most important.
A remedy for this political problem could be to ban incoming and outgoing "donations" for all those involved in politics. Political advertising should be government funded. Politicians should also be banned from owning shares and having involvement in any business to further discourage corruption.
Politicians should just be more like priests. Not in the weird rapey sort of way, but the "I'm willing to sacrifice my life for what I believe in" sort of way. Rigorous and extensive vetting and regulations are necessary for those involved.
PartTimeLegend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm British, so I know a little bit about a rather oppressive country. You guys used to be British too. Then one day someone said enough.
There was a big war, and a new country and government was created.
You have the power, and right to fight for your country. Be the change you want to see.
TheBlash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not corrupt. It just sucks. People who align with one party or the other aren't corrupt inherently. With the voting system we use, a two party system is inevitable. I'd even go as far as to say it's the only way we could have a majority rule in this country.
blanxable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it works wonders for separating the people.
l00pee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, just a common set of facts would be nice. Hard to discuss solutions when you can't even agree on the problem.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I come from a country with multi-party system. It's still corrupt. Corruption is a people problem, not a party problem.
Bloodscout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George Washington actually stated that parties will be the death of America. ( or something along those lines )
Wraith_GraveSpell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wish granted, we now have absolute monarchy.
rav-prat-rav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that the two party system is ultimately inevitable but it definitely should be removed the election process. One thing I like about Nh is that I can register as an independent and be able to vote in either party for the primary. I honestly think it's ridiculous to pick your president (or any member of elected office) based solely on the party. Vote by the issue people!!!
SirHippopotami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
unfortunately the number of parties doesnt really change anything, except making things more complicated. we need a political system that doesnt rely on having a party back up your every decision so we can actually have politicians with their own ideas.
CaptaiinCrunch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never going to happen; people will always organize into groups and be more powerful than individual campaigns in the long run.
xios42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we instituted rank choice voting and publicly financed election, this problem would be lessened.
lazarus78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having a party affiliation isnt really the issue. Id say its more "party loyalty". God forbid doing what you think it right regardless of your party...
Dwev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moderates from both parties should break away and join forces to create a new "moderate" party. The extremists have the power over the parties because there are just enough of them to wield influence. If the extremists were abandoned, they would lose all their power.
Then make it so the VP cannot be from the same party as the President.
Am I crazy?
modudupup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, the death of the electorate college. It's a stupid, outdated system. All votes should be taken into account equality, and popular vote is better than electorates.
Tusami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't this what fucking George Washington warned us about?
ManOfLaBook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that what just happened?
humansupremacist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too man. But people are locked into voting for their favorite team rather than the underdog 3rd parties which will actually fix the system. Both parties agree when it comes to fucking and robbing the citizens.
spankymuffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how people presume that multi-party politics is a good thing. It would bring its own host of problems. You'd have politicians even more willing to give up on promises and ideals for the sake of building coalitions to obtain a majority. Shit ain't pretty.
Keto_Kidney_Stoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Add to that some ranked-choice voting, and we might accidentally end up with a functional democracy again.
toxicgecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the UK technically has several parties but it's usually between the tories or labour no matter what (with the exception of the SNP the last decade)
theantirobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully we can thank Trump for that in 2020 if the complete failure of both major parties to present a desirable candidate isn't forgotten.
MetalCuure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's better this way, as you can see nothing is fixed just because you add more parties there is just an illusion of choice. Also anyone can run on the 2 party platform while not really agreeing with the majority parties views and normal ways (Trump, Bernie)
Though there has been growth in Libertarian party members in politics
senorswank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really is a one party system at the end of the day. They have Eat 7 cheese burgers, commit more treason, 58 minute nap with fox news on repeat. Send twets decided to start a war with Madagascar. Make BRAWNDO (The thirst mutilator)(TM) the official liquid to feed the crops.
te masters tell them to agree to.
kcjg8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump is proof that the two party system is starting to die. An independent took over the republican ticket and both democrats and republicans have lost a percentage(2% o believe) of their registered voters. There are more independent voters now than ever before.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Canada has 3ish major parties but with ebbs and flows we can have up to 4-5. More isn't always better.
Byizo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What sucks is that both parties move us closer to a more tyrannical government every year, and almost every candidate is playing the same game. This year there were two prominent candidates that came from outside this system: Trump, and Bernie. I am not here to argue either of their abilities to lead our country, simply to point out that, at the very least, neither of them were in it to advance the power of the government over the masses.
Andy_Liberty_1911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funnily enough the American system discourages third parties but that just means its easier to hijack parties, such as the Republican party under Trump where major issues (anti-Russia) flipped flopped.
Phyzzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The main problem here is polarity. If there's an issue there will be two sides to that issue.
downonthesecond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, electoral college only works with two parties, unless you want Congress to decide the President or have more wins like 1992 with Perot as a third party and even 2016 with Johnson and Stein taking millions of votes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its the inevitable result of any FPTP system, so start advocating for AV or preferably, STV.
39bears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any kind of better system of government in the US. We have the technology to develop a much better method of decision making for ourselves, and yet we muck around with politicians who represent such narrow interests.
r_matsuiya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My answer was going to be revolution, so we're of a similar mind I suppose.
jakedenton32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What bothers me about it is that people vote on the letter next to the name and not the policy's. I think it'd be smart to just have to boxes and each is just a list of maybe 5 policy points selected by the candidate, no names, no parties. This would force people to pay attention and really figure out what each candidate represents.
svirbt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I voted libertarian. Even if they don't win but get enough votes (5% I think) then next election cycle they will get more funding. Didn't happen this past election, but hopefully some day. Doesn't matter which party either.
HiFromThePacific ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:35:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the destruction of political parties in general could lead to more diversity in opinion within the U.S's climate.
NAUGHTY_GIRLS_PM_ME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Direct voting on the issues is better and more achievable.
Countries that have more than 2 parties are in worse shit storm.
Metatrons_Cube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need a whole new overhaul of the entire Constitution IMHO. Not just another amendment a different operating system for the growing technological language we are developing, not just as a country but a global net of awareness and action.
harryjonathanchong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more of a cultural problem, but how do you change an entire culture? Because the irony of it is that you have to get everyone to think the same about thinking differently.
Oriolez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But voting third party is just throwing away your vote! /s
Stanislavsyndrome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First past the post will always trend towards a two party system. It's mathematically inevitable.
randomguy186 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can do that in two steps - one not too difficult, and the other probably impossible.
Eliminate the electoral college.
Eliminate gerrymandering.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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paradora ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah
Sklushi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ew no
throwaway03022017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why the fuck would anyone agree to that, unless they were poor, with zero skills?
beatokko ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a doctor making the same as a janitor. Good luck getting any doctors.
aaronbristow1239 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure people would rather contribute to society and make an impact and help lives rather then sweep floors. Hmm I wonder why people join the military if the pay is shit?
beatokko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think of people too highly, buddy. Greed and selfishness are some of the reasons corruption exists. Most professionals get a career because it's somehow related to a future salary, not because of vocation. I'm sure sweeping floors is a very nice contribution to society as it helps keeping environments clean and healthy, although it's not as complex as being a doctor, then that's why there's a salary difference between both.
Bottomline is you can't pay the same to such different jobs.
There are other benefits besides payment. And again, it's not as complex as being a doctor, therefore, the payment is lower.
Ryangonzo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are 3rd parties but no one votes for them because they have been brainwashed to believe if you don't vote D or R them your vote doesn't matter.
There are more independents then there are Dems and reps combined. But the media is controlled by the Dems and Reps who will not give good press to a 3rd party So all those independents believe they can really only pick from the 2 they see. A perfect example of this is how a 3rd party isn't really allowed to participate in the debates.
If we had a better media system 3rd parties would be a much more viable thing.
mr_ji ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if you voted for one of them in the last election, shut the fuck up. You're the problem.
AgoraiosBum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:30:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're the problem for living in the real world? Why would it be better to waste a vote (on a candidate that is garbage)?
mr_ji ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We were going to wind up with a shitty president this cycle no matter what. It was the best time to vote for a third party. Even in losing, if they'd gotten enough of the vote, the two major parties would have to take them and the will of the people more seriously. Instead, too many people drank the Kool Aid and bought into the idea that a vote for them was a vote for the enemy, so here we are with a bad president and an almost certainty the same thing will happen again in 3.25 years. The two parties counted on people not being able to see past then end of their noses and they were right. Thanks for illustrating my point.
AgoraiosBum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:02:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What point?
Both sides were not the same. That you think there would be a raging dumpster fire in the federal government under Clinton just means you're deluded. There would be good people and good policy in the executive branch.
Nixflyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a third party vote is completely throwing your vote away. In fact, a strong their party only harms their own political power in our voting system. There will always be two parties unless we change our voting system and possibly representation system.
terminalvelocit3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:24:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moving to Canada for this reason. Though theirs isn't much better, the people are more awesome.
eqleriq ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
problem is that 2 party system consists of the ones who would enact those laws. oops!
baselganglia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a regular (e.g. monthly) poll on the various issues. Whichever side of an issue has the required % upvotes on yes vs no gets decided. If the required % is not met, the policymakers need to revise the issue further.
No need for one representative to represent you 100%.
The required % for each issue could vary, e.g if it's an amendment to the Constitution it'd be much higher than 50%.
The_JSQuareD ยท 1028 points ยท Posted at 14:53:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My personal list from most to least likely:
Zero_Iota ยท 187 points ยท Posted at 16:44:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if we get rid of all weapons of mass destruction just before finding life outside of earth and they all want to kill us with weapons of mass destruction ? Let's make a movie to find out !
The_JSQuareD ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 16:46:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we'd still have the technology, we just wouldn't be a button press away from throwing humanity into a civilization-ending catastrophe.
Also, I'd watch that movie.
Zero_Iota ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:54:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how long it takes to make a nuke, maybe put all the nukes in a (really) bug safe that only the UN could open and we can't make anymore nuke.
Michael Bay would turn down that movie, not enough explosion material for him.
The_JSQuareD ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:57:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, assuming we find them, and not the other way around, it's gonna take them some time to get to us anyway.
If they find us, we're fucked either way.
Zero_Iota ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then maybe we're already fucked, every second without finding alien life is another second for them to find us, I hope they'll notice my towel when they come for us.
Svankensen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:08:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When they decide to build an interstellar highway, you mean.
Zero_Iota ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should go and check if there's any notice at Alpha Centauri.
Soren11112 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A nuke can made in two-months according to Vice.
Zero_Iota ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it would be more but that's already very long if we need to make some in emergency.
Callumsm2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:14:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could make it far faster if our entire Civilization depended on it
RikenVorkovin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:33:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your assuming the U.N. is competent enough for such a responsibility.
It's not.
Zero_Iota ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will be in the future and the UN will have to be competent in the future.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simpsons did it.
Zero_Iota ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then it will happen, they just predicted something again.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correct.
FaultyGherkin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be a movie of humanity essentially looking through its bins to try and find that one weapon of mass destruction that it didn't actually want to throw out
Zero_Iota ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:04:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could also be about North Korea being the only country not listening to UN and saving us all, produced by Kim Jong Un himself.
FaultyGherkin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:10:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then I guess we'd have to declare him world leader. Welcome to /r/Pyongyang
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:18:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are now a moderator of /r/binturong
plasticsporks21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simpsons did it
f4ction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fixyouregrammar did it.
plasticsporks21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:50:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!
RedSnowBird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just thinking...what happens if aliens decide to land and make contact with us?
But they make the mistake of landing in North Korea. That whole first impressions thing...
ApolloniusDrake ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:23:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like it but we would need to control birthrates. Over population is scary.
The_JSQuareD ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is evidence to indicate that a reduction in infant mortality rates also causes a reduction in birth rates (although it's definitely not clear cut). See here for more info: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK233807/
ApolloniusDrake ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:45:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats one opinion. I still think control would be in order.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:05:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's not an opinion. He posted a source, it seems like it is a fact.
ApolloniusDrake ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:17:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First off the title explains very well the scope of the individuals study: "The Relationshp Between Infant and Child Mortality and Fertility: Some Historical and Contemporary Evidence for the United States".
The phrase to be taken from just the title is: SOME historical and CONTEMPORARY evidence for the UNITED STATES.
Good titles are important. Yes, I read the article. I suggest you do too. The title is dead on. There also a nice disclaimer at the end. Also I would enjoy a source for where this is assumed as fact because I already looked thus why I said it is an opinion.
The_JSQuareD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:19:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's perhaps a better overview: http://www.ageing.ox.ac.uk/download/143
It cites several different studies and takes a more global perspective.
Here's the first paragraph, which is perhaps the most salient:
So again, there is almost certainly a connection, but it's not as clear cut as simply saying that reducing infant mortality rates automatically leads to lower birth rates.
awe778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War will always be there, because war, war never changes.
LeCucumber ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:47:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow I like your list. I second this.
The_JSQuareD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:06:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, thanks!
Farnswirth ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exploring another planetary system should be at the bottom if we're talking in our lifetime. Simple relativity states it will take at least 8 years. Probably 20. That's if we launched today. Even with project starshot we would get very limited information back, possibly not even pictures. Plus the laser tech required for project starshot is still out of reach of our current technology, it's just within a couple orders of magnitude.
The_JSQuareD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, it depends on how old you are. But 20 years to develop the technology, 20 years for it to become affordable and to build up political will, and 20 years for the mission itself doesn't seem entirely unreasonable. That's 60 years, which would be within the life time of young people today. And yes, I was talking about something akin to the Starshot programme -- certainly very limited in scope.
Also notice it's pretty far down the list. Anyway, this is just my personal gut feeling. If you think it is less likely than some of the things lower down on the list, you may very well be right.
im999fine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:58:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Polio is almost gone, those other 3 have numbered days. I'm glad we can eliminate those diseases. Smallpox is getting lonely lol.
specialkk77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well we were close...then those crazy moms who think a dead child is better than an autistic one (vaccines don't cause autism!!!!) came around and started their movement...and now we have measles outbreaks again...
JXG88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the middle east as well conservative religious types think the vaccines for polio etc contain brain controlling nanobots all part of the zionist/crusader agenda. It didn't help with Bin Laden's compound being staked out under the guise of a polio vaccination program.
Soren11112 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:58:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually we need weapons of mass destruction, they prevent so many wars. They are one of the main reasons there haven't been many major wars in Europe since the Cold War
BlockMelone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also we might need them to stop giant meteors from hitting the earth. I hope we are ready when this eventually happens because so far politics are ignoring this real threat to humanity.
I_want_GTA5_on_PC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That comment is so weird to read. Only a roll of dice prevented this world from being a nuclear wasteland right now, thanks to the very same weapons of mass destruction.
Soren11112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yep, but it worked out in the, at least as far as we know
sweetcuppingcakes ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 17:19:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
US switching to metric
US getting rid of pennies
Coconuts giving consent
lazarus78 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:49:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The use is already switched. Look it up.
I_want_GTA5_on_PC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do they teach it in school? As in, do books still contain Imperial standards?
dwarfman101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They teach metric in schools, but also begrudgingly teach Imperial and arbitrarily switch between the two.
lazarus78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on the subject matter. Virtually all science classes use metric, and have for quite some time.
cleverboxer ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just find it weird you said "10 in 1000" instead of "1 in 100" or "1%"...
The_JSQuareD ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:12:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair point. The figures are usually reported as deaths per 1000: http://www.who.int/gho/child_health/mortality/mortality_under_five_text/en/
wannabe_fi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would require a global eradication of anti-vaxxers, which I'm totally down with
alway122 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a manned mission should be 1 or 2. Trump and Musk are both pretty for that. And of all people on Earth I would say the President of the United States (regardless of who he is at the time) is the most likely to make that happen, especially if cooperating with musk.
Morlaak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely higher than the cure for cancer in the realm of feasibility. We know how to get to Mars at least, we just don't care enough to do it.
boofishy8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Longer life+more lives+overpopulation=?
cCowgirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... John B. Macklemore?
The_JSQuareD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... who?
cCowgirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reference to the S-Town Podcast. Even if you've never listened to a podcast, I would definitely recommend.
In all seriousness though, that's one hell of a list you've comprised. Are you optimistic that X% will actually happen?
The_JSQuareD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty optimistic about everything up to and including the Mars mission. After that, things start looking a lot less likely.
ListenHereYouLittleS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like this list. Though will add, we will likely get to Mars way before finding cures to many cancer. Some cancer are way more complicated to solve.
The_JSQuareD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not just about complexity, it's also about how much we're willing to invest in it as humanity. We've been talking about manned missions to Mars for the last 60 years, but there haven't been any realistic plans because no one cares enough. Honestly, there's no real benefit beyond prestige, at least in the short run. Finding cures to cancers is something which many people (rightly) consider hugely important. As such, there are tons of people working on it, and there is a lot of investment in that area. Plus, we have already made great strides. Look up the survival rates for skin cancer or breast cancer for example. All things considered, those actually look really good. And they didn't used to.
ListenHereYouLittleS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am one of those people working on it. While there are incremental advancements across the board (with some exceptions), curative outcomes for metastatic malignancies is exceptionally rare. While we will increase survival curves, but truest form of "cure" will be tough to come by. Even if patients have no radiographic traces, we still have to keep them on low-dose regimen to keep the few billion cells in check. I wouldn't consider that "cure" because they can also mutate and become a tougher sucker to nail.
Getting to mars, in my view, seems more likely. One of the reason is because of SpaceX. It seems that they have more motive and a financial stake in such a success. At the end of the day, space travel consists of a series of problems that can be solved with more brains and money (for the most part). We already have a decent lay of groundwork regarding space travel. Oncology isn't quite the same - adding more money and hours CAN lead to a better direction, however, there are much less grantees. In fact, there are far more failures than success. Even then, the success isn't usually "cure". I should specify, we can cure cancer in many diseases as long as they are in earlier stages and localized. We can radiate the sucker (many clever ways to deliver payload) or excise it. Sometimes, a combination of chemo/radiation and then surgery. But for vast majority of these cases, the true gem is early detection. I think we can get better at early detection and prevent cancer from becoming life threatening. If you call that a cure, then yes, that is feasible. Still....so many different variables at play.
The_JSQuareD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for writing such a detailed reply! I'm obviously very happy to be corrected by someone who actually knows what they're talking about. It's unfortunate to hear that I might have been a bit too optimistic about our chances of dealing with this disease. That being said, if we can prevent cancer from becoming life threatening (at least in most cases), than that's obviously a major win.
ListenHereYouLittleS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:12:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it makes you feel any better, I saw a patient 2-3months ago with metastatic pancreatic cancer that went from large distal mass all over lungs/liver to nada. Could not see a damn thing on the CT. Didn't believe it. Had the radiologist re-read the scan. While the patient still isn't "cured", everyone are cautiously optimistic. Unfortunately, that drug will likely not pass for further testing bc vast majority of people could not tolerate it (nearly killed that patient too). Oftentimes, it is a fine balance between killing the tumor or killing normal tissue + a ton of unfortunate side-effects. Regardless, it was literally one of the best feeling in the world. The patient got super lucky and it does give hope. I would be happy to eat my own words if/when we do find such cures and shed a tear of joy.
The_JSQuareD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's to hoping!
Fraerie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:13:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'm hoping for a post-scarcity economy. It will be required for many of the things on your list to become a reality due to the long term nature of the benefits (current economic models are too short term to fund them).
Peeterdactyl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Detour123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for including a manned mission to mars in your excellent list. That was the first thing I thought of.
Chipnstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10 in 1000? So... 1 in 100?
Ericchen1248 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Birth and death rates are generally reported with per thousands
CookieOmNomster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That first one wont happen with those dumbfuck anti -vaxers.
jubgles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually sad that the top things on the list, the things that we can actually do, are the ones that seem the least likely.
Procepyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a small issue, but why 10 ? It seems rather high, the European average is like 4. And that's with relatively poor countries like Bulgaria included in the average. Hell, the average of Cuba is 4.5 and it's a pretty poor country.
The_JSQuareD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the exact number was mostly just pulled from thin air. But basically, it would mean that all countries would have an infant mortality rate similar to fairly developed countries today. If they can get to that point, it will probably continue to fall. Also, note that some very developed countries have rates higher than 4. For example, the rate in the UK is 4.2, in the US it's around 6.
Morlaak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cuba is an outlier example given their health system. Other Caribbean countries have higher rates (Nicaragua has 19 in 1000, for example)
Still, I agree that we can set the bar a bit higher than that.
rokyfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting that you placed something between finding life and finding intelligent life.
...
What do you know that we don't?
The_JSQuareD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unintelligent life might still exist in our solar system. In the subterranean oceans of Europa for example. Intelligent life in our solar system is basically impossible -- we would have found it by now. Finding life outside of our solar system is much, much harder than inside our solar system, for obvious logistical reasons. So that's why I rate one as more likely than the other.
rokyfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah fair enough. I didn't see how we could be sure intelligent life is so much less likely but I guess within our own solar system that does make sense.
Dhljoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to mars should be at the top cause that's 100% happening. By 2050 a lot of missions will be made. NASA has plans by whatever time and then multiple private corporations have been planning missions to mars for years.
The_JSQuareD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're right!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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The_JSQuareD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did. But several people, including at least one expert have already pointed out to me that that's probably nonsense. Not sure how to feel about that..
leadpainter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extending life, reducing death is mostly what I see. The population would explode and there would be too many โold peopleโ for sustainability. We need things like permits for babies etc etc before we massively extend human lives
matrushkasized ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar combined with a heat-pump and a Stirling engine/compressor so it will store the energy as heat and liquid air...
SomeRandomDude9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp that sums up the rest of the comments.
isurvivedrabies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wow, but what do we do about all these extra people living way too long when its tough to get a job as it is? if youre gonna make a list, this is way too unbalanced of a set of concerns. the world doesnt have the ability to support the amount of human parasites this would create.
CaesarSultanShah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should be higher up
BlueLikeHim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/threadkillers
TiagoTiagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No weapons of mass destruction? What will we do when the asteroids come for us?
IggySorcha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like your list but I'd like to add right next to"cure for cancer" an extension: "cure for chronic illness of which the genes are identifiable" Or simply put, improved and complete gene therapy. Without the GATTACA classism.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although all of these are unlikely, they are attainable in some capacity rather than "Achieve immortality, cure cancer, end all war."
TICKERTICKER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Add: 80% of children were raised by two competent parents who were in a healthy relationship themselves.
ezekiellake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, even where you have the chance to be completely speculative, you only want to cure some types of cancer? What cancer are you supporting? You monster.
The_JSQuareD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well otherwise it would just be further down the list.
HBlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since you have a good list you seem to keep handy, can I add my suggestion to that list? Economical artificial animal products.
TurnBasedLife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not all cancers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately this shouldn't be at the top of your list as most likely. We're seeing a resurgence of a small kind of measles due to the anti-vaxxer crowd :/
SueZbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Add outgrow primitive myths that encourage "believers" the fear and/or outright loathing of those "not like" the believers and we're in sync.
ArcRust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should read "case for mars", basically the author shows how it is a lot easier to get to Mars than you think. We have all of the technology and even plans to do it now. The only hard part is getting people to back it. Politics is what's getting In the way of a manned mission to Mars.
I think it's at least more likely than a cure for cancer, as far as your list goes
super_sayanything ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Massively extending life expectancy through incredible medical/biological breakthroughs (near biological immortality) or uploading human consciousness into a computer or some such (transhumanism).
Call me selfish but this is what i want, with a good quality of life.
Calingaladha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are very close to eradicating polio. It's now omly endemic in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Taliban have threatened vaccination efforts, though...but it is attainable, although maybe not until the area stabilizes long enough.
10winchir23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pro for 1. Massively extending life expectancy through incredible medical/biological breakthroughs (near biological immortality) or uploading human consciousness into a computer or some such (transhumanism). 2. Finding intelligent life outside of earth.
QBin2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:03:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like all of those things and then wonder if we have to have the Mars station set up first? With what you are saying Overpopulation would ruin the world within a few decades. No one dying until 75, no diseases or murders etc. there would be no food or fresh water for anyone.
arosiejk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine this list is on your door to see if you can check any off when you leave each day.
GaySwans ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that, there's already too many people...
The_JSQuareD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, so we should just let people die right? That's totally moral. In fact, we should probably drop a few nukes on India to reduce overpopulation. It's only the right thing to do.
GaySwans ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:51:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naw, India is cool. Nuke the middle east instead.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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canaryhawk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:23:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans, obviously.
Adelaida_88 ยท 6127 points ยท Posted at 11:28:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the invention of inmortality would be great before I die.
[deleted] ยท 4750 points ยท Posted at 11:37:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your car will crash on the way to the immortality clinic.
peon2 ยท 2974 points ยท Posted at 13:47:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down Alanis
JonhaerysSnow ยท 176 points ยท Posted at 15:32:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would actually be pretty ironic, unlike 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.
wittymcusername ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 15:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see Alanis has played knifey-spoony before.
crnext ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:58:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. I've spooned her before.
Big spoon.
uselessinformation82 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:37:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not a knife, THIS is a knife.
That's not a knife, that's a spoon...
kugmuhyl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big chuckle from me, friend. Well done!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source pls?
wittymcusername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/mcE0aAhbVFc
AndyWinds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a simile!
QBin2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love Brockmire's drunk comment about that. It's only ironic if you're stuck in a fucking knife factory!
Haha. If you haven't seen Brockmire I think it's IFC but it's the best comedy this year.
speezo_mchenry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't she just use the spoon handle to spread the jam for fuck's sake?
headrush46n2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:54:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if its a steak dinner? WHAT THEN SMART GUY?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:50:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AlHubbard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a song bruh.
GaySwans ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:46:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're going to be pedantic, you're also wrong. Irony is a specific use of language - saying the opposite of what you mean.
Peteyjay ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 15:28:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing ironic in that song is that she clearly has no understanding of what irony actually is!
preblecw ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 15:30:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it ironic!
Spicoli_Horse ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A little too ironic.
NamesArentEverything ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don'tcha think?
WhoDrinksPocariSweat ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 15:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty ironic that everyone uses her song "Ironic" as an example of what irony isn't.
peon2 ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:23:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The irony is the song is named ironic when nothing in it is ironic. Or maybe she doesn't know what irony is and I'm reading into it too much.
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 17:59:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Morgrid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:42:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL
Strykerz3r0 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 21:17:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The definition has changed though. And I believe much of the change came post-song.
Irony used to be working towards a specific goal, but accomplishing the exact opposite. That started changing in the mid-90's and her song was part of the fuel, I am sure. But it was used incorrectly long before that and is mainly due to filmmakers and writers not using it correctly which leads to the general populace misusing it.
The definition changed cause it was misused for so long that common perception had changed. This misperception is probably what guided her in writing the song.
Gramage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:48:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the slowly changing uses of words is literally how languages evolve. ;D
TechyMitch1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
META
DarthAnalBeads ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair she's actually asking "Isn't it ironic?". Someone should just answer her already.
Strykerz3r0 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. I got downvoted last time I pointed that nothing at all in the song is actually ironic.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:09:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Twooof ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:07:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so
courtoftheair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here you go mate
TimeWarden17 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 16:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's amazing that in this day and age, people would rather look like an ass than do 5 seconds of Googling.
Rain on my wedding day is so opposite of what I would expect, that it seems deliberately contrary, aka, fucking ironic.
VexonCross ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you're marrying a meteorologist.
uselessinformation82 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're confusing undesirable with unexpected
TimeWarden17 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:11:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not. If I expect someone to give me a ride home for free, I don't call a taxi and pay for it. You (generally) don't plan your wedding on a day you expect it to rain.
Just because it is also undesirable does not mean it isn't unexpected.
uselessinformation82 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:29:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's an understanding that you can't control the weather (at least most reasonable people acknowledge that) and with weddings being scheduled months in advance, it's really hard to have any true expectation...we don't want it to, we imagine it won't, but it should not be a true "expectation"...timelines matter with something like a wedding
TimeWarden17 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:04:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you are trying too hard to be right in a situation in which you are not right. I get where you're coming from, that not every one of the lyrics are pure ironies, but they are ironic. There is a reason that the song got through a bunch of editors and onto a record, they looked up the definition and knew the common usage and said, "yup, pretty ironic for 90% of the lyrics, and the rest are needed to rhyme, good enough."
People trying to pull apart the song for not being ironic clearly haven't looked at the definition, or have not looked at enough use cases.
uselessinformation82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're falling victim to the logical fallacy of "it can't be wrong because someone would have caught it if it was, so it has to be right" which just isn't true...again I disagree with your original statement and your supporting arguments, just because you say it's so, doesn't mean it is, and your taxi metaphor was weak (no offense), again; irony has a definition, many of her situations described do not meet that definition; you can argue that THAT scenario is ironic because you expect a song allegedly about irony to be ironic, which because it isn't, is actually ironic (very meta) but rain on a wedding day or meeting people you feel are perfect mates only to find out they're already committed....not irony
uselessinformation82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also the "trying too hard" part of your comment; very condescending, try to work on that because it does not further the discourse and is actually a tactic most people take when trying to shut down discussion and act like an asshole (see: Trump), don't be dismissive, nobody likes that
uselessinformation82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/isnt-it-ironic-probably-not/
New York Times agrees
TimeWarden17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright, I'll just answer all three of your comments here. Yes, I would have committed "logical fallacy" had this been a lincoln-douglas debate, but in reality, I was using a common sense appeal in conjunction with my other arguements. My taxi reference wasn't weak, it's a line of the song and it is, in fact, an example of Irony as I previously described it.
I was also very aware that I was being dismissive. That was on purpose. You see, you have offered no counter-arguement or evidence for your support. You have provided no definition, so I would extend my definition through. Your only argument seems to be that it is your opinion that those examples do not fit the criteria of my definition, and there is no use continuing to argue with someone who won't take anything but their own opinions as truth.
As for your "New York Times article", a NYT blog post in their arts section hardly qualifies as journalism. It is, in fact, more of an opinion piece. Like your entire argument, it is entirely subjective and shouldn't be used as evidence, mostly because all it seems to prove is that with 12 hours between my responses, this was the best evidence you could find, which says more for you being wrong, than for you being right.
If you're going to take this much time arguing on the internet, at least try to debate well. I probably won't respond to any other comments unless they are actually reasoned arguements. Bye.
spankymuffin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She does. Just one particular type of irony.
steveofthejungle ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:10:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITS LIKE RAAAAIIIIINNNN
DanGleeballs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's correct irony
Shadowace24 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:58:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reference?
aeyuth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:45:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
alanis morisette has a song in which she lists all kinds of stupid... just look up her name on youtube im on the phone.
yoyoive ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:31:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like craaaaashinnnnnng on the way to the im clin!
Gadetron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't get the reference until they mentioned the song by alanis marmoset
gothic_potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, that song that was clearly stated...
What song ,please?
Gadetron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
isn't it ironic
gothic_potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks!
Gadetron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one called me on calling Alanis morissette, Alanis marmoset, your falling behind Reddit, tsk tsk tsk
Atlantis_Morissette ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She will calm down when she is good and ready!
ghtuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like Alanis Morrisette and O. Henry had a baby and named it this exact situation.
amidon1130 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:22:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Oh my god you killed a hooker!" "Call girl" "No Cyril, when they're dead, they're just hookers!"
Agnia_Barto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:13:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it
spankymuffin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh hey, a pop-culture reference I get! I don't feel so old anymore, reddit!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look at what you did.
Creath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for this, had to Google it and completely remembered this song.
Barack-YoMama ยท 611 points ยท Posted at 12:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll have crashlessality by then, cars' lives matter too
[deleted] ยท 490 points ยท Posted at 13:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decoy snail.
Okneas ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 13:53:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's snails all the way down.
SpiritDump ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:21:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After alle this time, that reference still pops up
RegTimeDX95 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the reference from?
Mystery_Hours ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:49:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing, it was a decoy reference
xjaaakex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
decoy snail post
Azurephoenix99 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:07:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no you fucking don't!
It's originally from here!
Sorry, but it really pisses me off when people don't know this.
xjaaakex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought the reddit I posted was not the original, but still funny. The RT link you shared is quality though. Thanks!
randomphoenix03 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how this meme isn't even used in the proper context any more, it's just people saying it at completely random times.
spitfire8125 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your car will experience a glitch while upgrading to the crash-proof software.
HardlightCereal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:29:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll have glitchlessality by then, software lives matter too
abutthole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the only cars on the road were driverless computer driven cats we'd probably be crash free.
Edit: I see that it says cats. I'm leaving it that way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kachow
Neato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope it's a combination of autonomous cars and that expand-o-foam from Demolition Man.
anotherandomer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The car would have designated safe space to crash.
Yarthkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll have the crashproof, bulletproof, explosionproof cars from GTA: San Andreas? Sounds great as long as we don't have to pull off ridiculous hijinks involving tow trucks and stealing from drug lords in order to have them.
sabrefudge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only after the shooting of Tow Mater and the Radiator Springs riots.
Lost4468 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:37:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can never have crashless cars.
Skychasma ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:48:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not with that attitude.
Lost4468 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't. There's plenty of crashes that just cannot be avoided. A tire blows out on a large vehicle and crashes into you. A pedestrian trips and falls into the road just as your car drives past. The sensors on a self-driving car are temporarily blinded.
There's plenty of unavoidable crashes, where even if you're driving perfectly and can react instantly it won't matter.
Skychasma ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:08:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, by that time we'll have blow-less tires and fall-less pedestrians.
HardlightCereal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Use magnetic road and wheels to make the autocars hover above the road at great speeds. Use brain chips to sense when someone's about to fall into a dangerous position and deploy the force fields on the side of the road.
Neato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Computers are faster than that. Don't even need the brain chips. Sense when a person is entering the edge of the roadway and energize the force fields to repel with a force comparable to the amount of momentum the person is entering with (so you don't throw a child across the park while still repelling a sprinting suicidal person).
bigbigbigbigtoe ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:59:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like raaaaaaaaainn on your wedding day
jojewels92 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:53:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it ironic?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Connor McLeod's Immortality Center for People Who Can't Live So Good"
Gordondel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll all have driverless cars with a 0 crash risk way before immortality.
lukelnk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be the most nerve wrecking drive of your life "ok, don't fuck up now!"
malice8691 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it ironic, don't you think
setfire3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bad luck brian
gwoz8881 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like rain on your wedding day
RobertJacobson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like rAAAeeeeAaaaiin...
hambone8181 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It's like rai-e-ain..."
SeinfeldFan9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the thing is, it eon't be your fault. The car your riding in is a self driving vehicle.
Web_Fish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a way to go out
Arsany_Osama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Statistically, that's sure to happen to someone.
Breaktheglass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the inmortality outpatient clinic?
Maninhartsford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it ironic?
maazer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reminds me of the movie The Fountain
inthedrink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self driving cars bud
CharlieSixPence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will input the bubblecar cheat
Left_Brain_Train ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By that time, self-driving cars and (near) death-proof safety engineering should make that almost impossible. But that would suck so hard.
streetfools ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it ironic?
dorkling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
inmortality *
NicholasGraves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inmortality*
SueZbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...or jetpack will fail and you crash.
Finnsauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is there downvotes on all the mind uploading related comments on this thread?
KennethKnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it ironic?
MarinertheRaccoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
av9099 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't you think?
McGravin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like rain on your wedding day.
Ultima_RatioRegum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay how about immortality and mind uploading
Le_German_Face ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fine by me.
I had the neural link "Black Box" installed last weak. There is always a perfect copy of my mind on standby, updated every 30 seconds. In case I die by accident. Eternal bliss in virtual reality awaits with the option of flesh-puppet vacation irl every 6 months for three weeks.
MadScienceDreams ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is why true immortality only come by way of replication. After my death download me into another bot please!
LofeeZ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:06:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tehflambo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:08:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either replication or reassembly. If somehow forensic science advances to a point that you can reassemble a person and their brain from a pile of ash or pink mist...
Also even with the "another bot, please!" method, you still need some way to capture the state of their brain satisfactorily(?) close to their death.
noggin-scratcher ยท 866 points ยท Posted at 12:27:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Specifically affordable immortality - no use to me if it's only available to the wealthiest 0.1%
Flynn58 ยท 716 points ยท Posted at 12:41:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly wouldn't worry too much about that. If immortality was only available for the elite of the elite, there would be riots in the streets.
What's far more likely is that immortality will be available in terms of maintenance treatment that most people can afford, through loans or otherwise, such like a home. The only people left behind would be the poorest of the poor, whom would essentially just be a slave class we treat as inhuman and breed as cattle.
Evil is best delivered on a stable basis when it's done to the poor, since we don't care about them.
WlNST0N ยท 154 points ยท Posted at 13:20:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calm down Mr Blomkamp.
DeckJesta ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:26:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, you fuckin prawn.
wtffighter ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:49:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guy saw elysium yesterday I'd bet
Marand23 ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 14:24:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think that would be the point where people riot in the streets? The top 1% in the world own as much as the rest 99% combined (as of jan, 2016. It is probably worse now). The top 62 individuals own as much as the poorest 50% of the world combined. Wouldn't the time for riots have come and gone by now? Wouldn't immortality just be the icing of the already incredibly massive cake that the wealthiest keep to themselves, unopposed?
Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35339475
[deleted] ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 14:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 16:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People won't riot as long as the are not hungry.
Those of us in the US won't even riot for regular health care that can keep people alive from regular diseases.
Humans don't riot for pie-in-the-sky things, for long-term goals. They riot for things that affect them NOW. Lack of money, lack of food or water, those sorts of things.
That's why "bread and circuses" work. Individuals can look at long-term goals, but humans as a population of individuals don't move on those things.
Marand23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Such as?
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Marand23 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:08:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see the difference. I just don't think people will riot over it. The ones who are relatively well off will shake their heads enviously like they do now, and keep living their relatively comfortable lives. The ones who are too poor to live comfortably won't have time to notice, they will be strugling to survive, like they do now. I don't think this is the line. Unless it's a relatively inexpensive procedure, which the super rich are keeping to themselves. Then the streets would burn.
CTHABH ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:31:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol like we would know.
SpaceMoose9k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:21:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is you for real?
SpaceMoose9k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because death.
Chazzysnax ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean there have been some protests about that, I think immortality for the ruch would be enough to push that into riot territory.
theexpertgamer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're comparing money to immortality, just saying.
Kebble ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah i mean if immortality costs $50M but I'd be able to work forever then a bank would have problem mortgaging that shit to me over the next 1500 years or something
but then again idk if I'd wanna work forever so it's hard to say
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:45:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kebble ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:32:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but at the same time, how would the bank foreclose on your immortality?
afoxian ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rapid onset cranial lead poisoning, I imagine.
-NVLL- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are already some movies made about this kind of future.
KMustard ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We won't need slaves. By the time we defeat the aging process (and cancer, basically the longer you live the more likely you are of getting cancer no matter how healthy you are) robots will be doing most labor. There won't be a need for a slave class. That said, the top 1% might consider the rest of us as unnecessary and do away with us instead of sharing their wealth.
Theblade12 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if the robots develop human intelligence? Then it's no different from old slavery.
KMustard ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:30:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Misinterpreted you.
I think that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Humans will prioritize themselves no matter what. It's self-preservation. That said, robots will always be more efficient at labor than human beings. Even in an AI dominated world they would still use machines to run everything rather than enslaving a species that needs food, water, rest and is generally useless in their first 10 or so years of existence.
Is it really not different from old slavery? On a basic level yes, we'd be offloading all of our work onto the machines. But the machines aren't like us at all. An AI doesn't need to perceive basic labor as effort intense work because that labor is executed by specialized hardware. Working off of software scripts, running these tasks is basically the same as breathing for us. And there would be no need to build something like a complicated nervous system into a machine either. It's unnecessary. All the painful dreadful parts of slavery that people endured long ago can't be considered equivalent to what an AI has to do to keep the wheels turning.
Actually the idea that each robot has a consciousness is probably inaccurate. A highly advanced AI will operate independent of hardware (i.e. it could transfer its consciousness between computers). A single AI could run an entire factory by itself without even really thinking about it.
Anyway this is hilariously off topic at this point and I don't even know what I'm saying anymore.
headrush46n2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I too have watched westworld.
CorbecJayne ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 13:38:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they also invent a way to remove the part of the brain that creates empathy so I can take full advantage of this whole slavery thing.
Timwi ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:07:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans have had that part of their brains for hundreds of thousands of years and saw no issue with slavery until a few hundred years ago. You can do it!
WiseassWolfOfYoitsu ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 13:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Invent? That already exists, it's called psychopathy, and you can already see it at work in a significant percentage of politicians and business leaders.
CorbecJayne ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:47:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hadn't heard of this. Can I get this "psychopathy" at my local drug store or is it more of an expensive procedure?
t3nkwizard ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:04:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just stop feeling bad for the worthless peasants beneath you. If they didn't want to be peasants, they would've chosen to be born to a richer family.
Ralath0n ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trick is to dehumanize the poor and trick yourself into thinking its their own fault. Once you accept that they are lowlife scum, draining precious resources from our glorious country, THEN you can start a business and exploit the desperate suckers for all they're worth.
Don't forget to vote to deregulate the economy and break down social safety nets! After all, those lazy bums should just get a job just like you did! (/s obviously)
PeesOnChildren ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:03:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry you're too poor to afford it.
headrush46n2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you've got at least a 80% chance of contracting it by becoming the CEO of a fortune 500 company, and probably 40% just by running for congress.
IceDevilGray-Sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't really develop psychopathy/sociopathy though, both of which are terms to refer to people with antisocial personality disorder. Most people are born with it. Also I'm willing to bet a majority of those politicians and business leaders are not actual psychopaths, just self absorbed assholes who are willing to exploit the poor. When you rise to the level of wealth and influence that those people have, it's pretty easy to lose your morals.
Theblade12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure psychopathy and ASPD are different things, though, and one doesn't have to have the other.
Also, sociopaths are people who didn't receive nearly enough affection at a very young age. When they were toddlers, basically.
IceDevilGray-Sama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They aren't different things though. Psychopathy and sociopathy are not even actual disorders listed in the DSM-V, they are just terms used to describe people who exhibit certain behaviors of ASPD.
The thing is people use the terms so loosely nowadays that they've become super ambiguous as to what they really mean.
leyxk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they aren't different things. Psychopaths and sociopaths are people who are/could be clinically diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. Technically (or medically) speaking. Sometimes when argument narture vs nurture is used, it's said psychopaths are born and sociopaths are "created". Or that psychopats are less impulsive, more cold blooded high functioning type while sociopaths are impulsive, violent... I think this is how psychology differentiates them, in psychiatry they're both antisocal personality disorder.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:55:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Empathy? Sounds like you should just stick to being a slave.
Whit3y ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:55:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They'll just build a city in higher orbit and keep it to themselves.
Crazycrossing ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:17:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If people lived forever you could borrow a lot more money easier just like a nation could.
cjsunderpants ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean there's all sorts of things to consider with immortality, but if I'm a bank loaning a 55 year old woman a million dollars to buy the immortality serum/treatment/whatever, she has the rest of her life (ha) to pay me back. Hell, the banks don't even need to be making loans, the immortality company themselves can offer a variety of payment plans. Maybe not even paying with money but with a contract saying you'll work for them for 5 years after you're treated, etc.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:26:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ar-_0 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:06:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He died a few months ago man
washout77 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Almost ironically, didn't he die earlier this year?
headrush46n2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He was 100, how is his death ironic?
washout77 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because in a conversation about the rich subverting death, the example used was a man who's actually dead, but that was unknown to the original poster thus making it ironic
Raregan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:49:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
In America people already die of curable diseases because they don't have the money to pay for treatment, and there aren't any riots or big desire to overthrow the system.
Lumpyguy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because most people think "I'm probably not gonna get sick and die like that." so they don't care as long as they're healthy, but everyone knows they absolutely will die eventually.
Maybe getting sick is an uncertainty, dying is an absolute fact.
Hansolo312 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh. It really depends on your imagined scenario. I would imagine if a prohibitively expensive cure for death was discovered it would take 20 years before people realized "Hey these old rich people aren't dying anymore."
CornfireDublin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Natural Selection is back with a vengeance
headrush46n2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:01:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evolution 2: This time, its personal.
RedSerious ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can already see monthly plans for that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like most people can afford the cost of $30,000 outpatient knee surgery or a $4000 ER visit? or a different type of afford?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:51:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be only available to the elites, and you won't even realize it.
Similar to how those with money can afford good healthcare.
My grandmother is on 9 different drugs, and has a team of doctors she consults about her health.
She's doing very well at 93. I know not everyone can afford this, but couple that with the luxury of her home, and peace she feels, and she's already living longer mainly because of funds.
Now she's no billionaire, but if "immortality" is procured, it'll be subtle, people will be aging slower, and be well into their old age.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slaves aren't even productive for prosperity so I doubt that we will ever return to the slave model.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Ralath0n ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:34:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If immortality was within reach, but someone was preventing you from getting it though...
I mean lets analyze the outcomes here: You lose: You die a few years sooner than you otherwise would. You win: Immortality. The payoff is worth the risk.
KonigSteve ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean rather than riot I would put together some kind of elaborate heist over years of planning or something.
aslokaa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:36:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd probably just kill and loot a rich person or something.
rockmasterflex ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:32:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
loserlame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There could be something already invented and we wouldn't know. How would we ever find out?
Neato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like it would be cheaper in raising and training this cattle-class to give them immortality but create a type of indenturship (indenturtude?) for a period of time to offset the cost.
Not_a_real_ghost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So rather than paying a mortgage for your house in the future, you are required to pay a mortgage if you want to live?
Then people who default on their payments get their life ended.
PromptCritical725 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:33:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Received immortality treatment for $100 million.
Beaten to death by angry mob.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes mein fuhrer!
PM__ME_YOUR__NUDES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I'm poor :(
TheFeshy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if they told us about it...
_FTR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. People aren't as afraid of death as they should be. Unless death is very near.
looklistencreate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, no it wouldn't. People don't riot just because they're jealous, they riot because they're being treated intolerably.
OhMyTruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From the perspective of the immortals, so what? Riot all you want. We'll wait.
MEMENARDO_DANK_VINCI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy 1984s
Marx0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phew.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welcome to.. The Island
Doublethink101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but how are the riots on the streets going to get the rich out of their space station named Elysium?
circus_snatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other then the immortality bit, how is this different from now?
KingDogewow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone's been reading dystopian rovels.
Failninjaninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would people riot? We already have situations where treatment for some diseases aren't affordable and I haven't seen a riot over it yet.
ZeePirate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm you realize we are the poor right
DannyKoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please please please please be /s
extracanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first generation might riot, maybe even their children. Eventually they will get back to work servicing their immortal God's.
Mharbles ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd imagine immortality and a post-scarcity economy would arrive pretty close to each other. We're already seeing it with renewable energy and the continuing increase in automation making lives easier and cheaper. Even now the modern 'poor' have most their basic needs met, except one of the most important ones; having a purpose. Which is why I imagine is a cause for the huge increase in opiates and other means a psudo-happiness. With nothing to live for everyone's all hopped up on drugs.
Bludgeonedkittens ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism is the solution. EAT THE RICH, and they can't hoard technology.
Krowki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what if we cant afford it during the transition stage (before, I assume, productivity goes up because of longer lifespand because of the redistribution of wealth/tech) society collapses, and we have previously mined earth too deep for a post collapse society to ever attain our level of advancement?
HardlightCereal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, It'll come in time
darez00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How bout affordable healthcare and college before affordable immortality
johnthebold2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:01:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Torches and pitchforks never go out of style.
McGravin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I'm a billionaire, I'm going to buy all the torch and pitchfork factories and charge a billion dollars per. Where is your god now?
HardlightCereal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cut down a tree and set half the branches afire. I attach three knives to each of the unburnt branches. I sell each for a million dollars.
McGravin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be sure to serve you with a law suit for patent infringement as you're stabbing/burning me.
Dawnkiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you watched "In Time"?
Sealith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw hell no. That's the extreme version of rich vs poor.
Isgrimnur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're immortal, just sign up for our easy repayment plan for the next 200 years. I mean, 100-year bonds are already a thing. I don't think Barclay's is going to bat an eye at extending credit to a functional immortal for a few hundred years.
sturmeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch "In Time" if you haven't already, really interesting movie that plays on that concept.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:(
Ashmedai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All patents expire in 17 years, so even in your standard worst case, you only need to live a bit longer.
managedheap84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're talking about the "elites" right? I would guess that they'd just keep it secret and let the commoners die out
Stolovaia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:09 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no because they are stupid money hungry capitalists. First thing they will do is patent the shit out of that to insure money, so the recipe will be out there first. second thing is they would want to sell you that shit 'cause money. capitalists will sell the ropes to hung them :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. However, it is likely that at the outset of the immortality technology, only that wealthiest 0.1% will be able to obtain it (just like almost every major breakthrough throughout history). What we'll need is the Henry Ford of the immortality technology to come along quickly.
Kharn0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell I'll take "we can stop/reverse collagen degradation" aka firm, youthful bodies for everyone!
DlProgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something almost everyone would want is bound to become affordable sooner or later. Like they would ever be able to copyright such a thing and make people follow such laws. The war on drugs would be nothing compared to that.
bookant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, we'll make it accessible to everyone with a healthy mix of free market reforms like letting immortality clinics operate across state lines and tort reform to limit immortality malpractice suits.
/s
hyperblaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get too hung up on that. Most likely it will be a ridiculously expensive when introduced. Within a decade or so, it become a mass market commodity just like computers were and a human right to boot.
bestem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's this book series by Kage Baker, the Company series.
Immortality exists, but it's extremely costly. Oh, and it can only be done on the very young. So even if you had enough money to afford it, you still couldn't become immortal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's obvious people would go around stealing it if it's edible or drinkable.
SalesyMcSellerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But let's say that it's like $500M. Who cares? I'll pay that off easy over the next 1500 years.
Quarkster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:40:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name a technology with consumer appeal that has remained that expensive for long, ever
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that's usually how shit is.
All modern inventions, were at some point, only available to the rich. Because the rich bought them they lowered the entry price for everyone else.
Woops I mean fuck rich people amirite
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:19:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HardlightCereal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In warhammer 40k, humans are technologically retarded. We're barely able to stay in space. Nothing new is made, because that's heresy. If some idiot farmer comes up with a better way to harvest crops, the inquisition kills him and claims the technology was rediscovered.
You know who lives in giant towers leading mildly shitty, but still comfortable lives? The rich. You know who has to walk through acid rain to get to their menial factory job so they can pay for drugs? The poor.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mboop127 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. Rome arguably fell because of stagnation caused by an aristocracy which had no interest in progress.
Oops, I meant to say "please piss Champaign on me oh deservingly wealthy and uncorruptable overlords."
ClutchCity9495 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As nice as immorality for all would be, the planet is already too overpopulated and only getting worse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality available to the masses would only be useful if we're at the point of colonizing other planets.
Can you imagine how quickly the earth would fill up with a greatly decreased death rate?
cainezedd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If everyone could afford immortality then the population would explode in numbers. Its not sustainable for everyone to live forever.
AnIntoxicatedRodent ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More specifically my immortality - I don't really care about others.
Coffee__Addict ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just take out 1 million year loan bro.
Le_German_Face ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get a pig heart, lungs, bowels and liver for 2000 each.
The upper 1% believe they are purer because they can afford printed organs from their own genetically modified cells but in the end it doesn't really matter. It's just as much a retarded waste of money as iceberg water, buying bottled air or believing food was better/healthier because there is "Bio" printed on it.
Kijafa ยท 682 points ยท Posted at 12:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like, "my body never ages" immortality or "I uploaded my consciousness into a cyborg body" immortality. Because one of those two sounds more likely to me.
Creep_in_a_T-shirt ยท 526 points ยท Posted at 13:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which sounds more likely to you? We have no idea about the nature or source of consciousness or how it can be transferred, so the "my body never ages" type actually sounds more likely to me.
[deleted] ยท 451 points ยท Posted at 13:56:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ponch653 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But at that point, a copied consciousness is only immortality in the sense of "I've created a new person that could very well be immortal. He just happens to share my knowledge, memories and personality at the point of his 'birth'. I'm still sitting here in my body and will still end up dying in a hospital bed some day."
This concept was explored in that game SOMA that came out a ways back. Like, cool! We did what we set out to do. A copy of my consciousness has been uploaded to live forever in a digital paradise. Oh, shit. I'm still stuck alone at the bottom of the ocean.
Call me selfish, but I would prefer my immortality to be more inclusive of the original me that I'm currently experiencing life through.
hrgilbert ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 17:03:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not selfish. It's what everybody wants when they think of immortality.
StateChemist ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the uploaded you is you and gets to enjoy immortality. You literally succeed at your goal of immortality from your point of view....and some other guy with your same memories also goes on to die in his vulnerable meatsack.
Both are true so it's a strange version of Schrรถdinger's cat. You are both immortal and mortal until the mortal version dies of course.
JCelsius ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But "me" as in my consciousness rather than my memories and knowledge, would cease to be. I want immortal consciousness, not a meat bag replica.
CosmoZombie ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:12:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, you have it backwards. The "uploaded" succeeded in immortality, but the original is left to die.
All you've done is make another dude who will think he's you, and he'll go on to live while you die scared and disappointed.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I prefer a slow replacement of my brain cells over a long time with microchips or whatever.
Icalasari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:20:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, Ship of Theseus the upload. Seems like the obvious solution - do the copying slowly enough via upgrades to your brain that you smoothly transition to being cybernetic
Shouldn't be a huge jump from the initial hard part of figuring out how to upload a mind
NewTownGuard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your perception would still be fixed to your (original, current, dying) body, though. For you, it's not a schrodinger's cat situation. For other you it wouldn't be, either. It would only be that way for third parties.
StateChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half correct, your perception would be duplicated so one of your perceptions succeeded in immortality and one of you did not. I find this to be a much much better deal than all instances of me being permanently erased.
NewTownGuard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:49 on September 2, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for the necromancy, I never saw that this got a response!
How do you know a duplication of your perception is also somehow your perception? That seems unlikely.
StateChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:24 on September 5, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the two duplicates don't share a single perception and will diverge after the moment of duplication. But at that moment both the mortal and immortal 'you' will have the same experiences, memories, and past so both are functionally 'you' by all definitions.
From there things diverge, so your two selves will develop independently. One will remember that day as the day a mortal clone of them was created, AND the day they became immortal. While the other clone remembers that as the day as the day they gained an immortal clone and nothing else changed.
Since at the moment of duplication Iclone was otherwise exactly the same as Mclone both have the rights to claim being the 'real' one. So one of the 'real' 'you' gained immortality. Which is pretty awesome.
Explained another way, if the mortal clone were killed and cremated before the immortal one woke up from the transfer, then from your perspective, you went in for a fun immortality treatment, they put you to sleep and it worked you woke up immortal with all your 'youness' 100% intact.
Me personally I'm waiting for the technology to 3d print exact copies of yourself on far away planets. Immortality is a sketchy concept, but getting good enough at making copies seems like it may only be a matter of time to get right. This way I get to stay home with my loved ones, AND go pioneer the exploration and colonization of distant planets at the speed of light. The multiple copies would never be able to meet so there is no weird clone ethics (ideally, if you can beam a clone to alpha centauri, you can beam a clone to next door too, and that gets into some of the more insane and ethically questionable regions of sci-fi).
Anyways a fun thought experiment, a third way to think about it is if you could help a long lost twin brother gain immortality, but gain nothing yourself in return, would you?
NewTownGuard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:02 on September 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That limits all possible definitions of 'you' to experience, memory, and past, though. It also assumes that two identical things are the same thing, especially when there will at least be some spatial differentiation at the moment of divergence, if not the fact that one is distinctly biological and one isn't. There's nothing explicitly wrong with that, mind, I just can't see how that is a given.
The last paragraph is tricky. It's either a no-brainer (if we assume immortality is good or awful), or dependent on so many factors I'd be intimidated by the prospect. It's a very different circumstance than the other scenario, if only in that you don't create your brother in order to give him immortality, but, at face value, I think I'd hard-pass on giving anyone true immortality because that sounds like an awful thing to do to someone. It would be different if there were voluntary self-termination and at least one means of involuntary termination. So, if we count heat-death and can self-delete, hell yeah, immortality all around.
StateChemist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:58:44 on September 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if you hypothetically made an identical clone of yourself, same in every way, memories, experiences, number of bacteria on your skin, each biologically and mentally identical. How could say which one is the 'you'? Go to sleep as one you, wake up as two. Its a fallacy to ask which one is the 'real you' because you both are the same. This would obviously cause tremendous chaos in your life since you still would only have one house/wife/family etc and both of you would want to go back to living your old life, because it is 'yours'
Could muddy the waters one step further and make two identical clones while making the true 'original' disappear. Both would have equal opportunity to claim 'youness'
Back to the original topic of immortality, what if the process knowingly destroyed the original, and recreated both the mortal and immortal copies of you. Yes they may be distinctly different by one being immortal and one not, and that will change the future choices/decisions they make but neither could claim to be the original, and both have the same claim on identity. Functionally 'you' became immortal AND 'you' did not.
Discussing this topic has made me realize, I am comfortable with the concept of human cloning, as long as the clones are not allowed to live on the same planet.
NewTownGuard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:31 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That first paragraph where you point out a perceived fallacy is, itself, a fallacy. Specifically, begging the question. Because asking is only a fallacy when you've decided in advance that the two are the same even though that's more or less the item under question. Even in the hypothetical we're constructing, you start out with a difference between them- they're in different places.
StateChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:20 on September 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are different in that they have different divergent futures. That is true, at that split second of two ness before divergence can occur they are functionally the same self with the same rights to 'their' past as their clone. After that they become different people but they both were the same you for a moment.
awe778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as this new person will do what I will do if I were to be immortal, I will be happy knowing that my goals and desires will be advanced by this person. shoots self
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:38:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Black Mirror Christmas special comes to mind.
94358132568746582 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you copied all at once. A gradual transfer would keep you, well you, and not leave one biological copy and one digital. Every day, 0.1% of your neurons are scanned and replaced by digital neurons, while the biological ones were turned off. You would never stop thinking, you would just continue to grow smarter and smarter until you hit 100% and had no need of a body. There would never be a "you" left behind to die.
[deleted] ยท 91 points ยท Posted at 14:11:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Cruces13 ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 14:21:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You arent the same physical cells that you were last year. Does that mean you die all the time? This is the identity problem and the solution isnt as simple as you make it out to be
jewchbag ยท 67 points ยท Posted at 14:34:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I learned anything about this topic in my intro philosophy class last year it's that I'm better off not thinking about this topic for my sanity
hrgilbert ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:42:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โ Ludwig Wittgenstein, my favourite philosopher.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. I also learned never to take a philosophy class again.
mypostisbad ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 14:36:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which suggests that any transfer would have to be gradual. That the receiving 'brain' would have to take over in stages so we could confirm that the original consciousness was still alive along the way, because that's the only way I see it being possible.
A suddenly transferred consciousness would not only act exactly like the original, but would also insist it WAS the original consciousness. If the original was dead, there would be absolutely no way to tell, no question you could ask, no answer that could be given.
LoLTerryP ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:13:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's why I'll never use a teleportation device.
DarthOtter ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 15:56:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a facinating little comic for you.
UnitedStatesofMurica ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:32:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was great, thanks for sharing it.
Mysoulisnotforsale ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol explain
SpaceMoose9k ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:25:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The person who steps into the teleporter is physically destroyed. A fake copy is assembled at the other end.
LTman86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of the episode in Star Trek TNG where there was a transporter malfunction and ended up with two copies of Riker. ([Second Chances|http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Chances])
It's an interesting thought of who is real is the real one.
Also, [SOMA|http://store.steampowered.com/app/282140/SOMA/] has a pretty cool portrayal of this as well. Slightly different, but interesting nonetheless.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:48:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Avaruusmurkku ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about cryogenic freezing or stasis? The person has no life-signs while in ice, and is technically dead. All biological processes have stopped.
SpaceMoose9k ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:28:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes you wonder what happens to "you" if you get knocked out (ie: full frontal lobe function loss). However temporary it is, could it be considered a continuity interrupt in the algorithm? Is our specific consciousness derived from the continuity of the algorithm, or is the same algorithm running on the same hardware enough to maintain one's existence of self?
armrha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, in certain cycles of sleep you are basically just a respirating pile of meat. Even if you argue you are still in there somewhere, it's impossible for you to prove it. Deep barbiturate coma or hypothermia can put people at zero brain activity at all, but they can come out seemingly undamaged. If you remaining continuous is important to being alive, you'd probably argue those people are dead and we should enact their wills. I think continuity of consciousness is just a useful illusion, keeping us getting up day after day even though in a practical way we're "dying" all the time. I feel like anything else is just wishful thinking giving supernatural meaning to how we work. Magical reasoning that somehow makes the you whonis reading it more special.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:21:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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armrha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing is consciousness is the only thing that makes you have any 'continuity' at all. Consciousness undeniably goes away when sleeping, though there are degrees. In REM sleep, your brain is very active, but is the 'you' in dreams even actually 'you'? You seem to act very differently in dreams and not have access to information you should have. You are diminished or changed in some way. And when you wake up, that version of you is dead.
Then in other deep parts of sleep you are difficult to stir even with outside interference. The brain might still have some kind of activity, but nobody could say that activity is 'you', the you that answers questions, responds to stimuli, etc, until the stimuli is enough to make your consciousness load up.
armrha ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:08:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gradual or sudden is basically the same thing. Continuity of consciousness makes no sense, it's just some kind of helpful illusion. Whether you migrated in nanoseconds or minutes really makes no difference. If continuity of consciousness was real we'd already be dying every night when we go to sleep and our brains age and change before we wake up. If you chopped out and replaced 30% of that sleeping dude's brain with a perfect duplicate he'd certainly have no idea about it.
AllUltima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the best viewpoint IMO, although a lot of people really struggle to understand it. Also, Hilary Putman's "Functionalism" is basically the foundation of this way of thinking.
Death is tragic primarily because people are irreplaceable and it represents an absolutely enormous loss of irreplaceable information. But the locality of which physical implementation holds a person's memories is largely irrelevant to me. If I could make "back up copies" of myself or loved ones, it's a viable solution.
throwawayandtakeback ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which would make it the original to you.
SpaceMoose9k ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, to them. The "you" that was /u/mypostisbad one hour ago (when he posted his comment) would be dead. Same as if someone shot him in the brain.
Kiita-Ninetails ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And this right here is why when I write sci-fi, conciousness has a unique carrier particle. Since wherever that is, is the only viable copy of a mind.
lymn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:51:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because original and copy are not metaphysically real categories. If you copy something truely identically there is no way to determine which is the original because there is no fact of the matter. There is no original.
If you're already convinced that the consciousness is exactly qualitatively like the "original" there is no further information, humanely accessible or not, about whether it's the same person.
People's intuition on this question really shows how deeply rooted the idea of a soul is
SpaceMoose9k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By "no original" do you mean that the copy has no original because it is its own original? If you do or do not destroy the original, does that, in your opinion, have any meaningful impact on either entity?
lymn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I mean that there is no fact of originality beyond exact similarity. If after finding out that before and after are exactly qualitatively the same, you are wondering "But is it the original?," you are not asking a real question. You are making a distinction with no basis in reality..
If the replication is not destructive, then both are the "original" and both are the "copy"
toronto_taffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the real question as far as teleportation goes isn't ''which one is the original'', as i agree with you that it's an empty one. What, I believe, most people mean to say when asking that question is more along the lines of ''Does the stream of awareness of the teleported person resume awareness on the other side of the gate or is that stream stopped when the person disintegrates?'' The fact that a person identical to you with all your memories steps out at alpha centauri means nothing. They want to know that it's not just indistinguishable to you, but that the ''original'' you didn't just basically die.
NumberNinethousand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would, for you, be the difference between a conscience that behaves exactly like the original and one that "is" the original?
Also, what would it mean for you for a conscience to be "dead"? is our conscience from a year, or a millisecond ago alive, even though that exact pattern of thhoughts and feelings doesn't exist anymore? if yes, are the facts that its bodily support shares some of the same atoms, or that one state has been reached from the other in a semi-continuous sequence, significant for that?
Not asking rhetorically; I'm materialistic, so I understand consciousness or identity as just an electrochemical pattern in a brain, that can theoretically just be copied, forked or freezed without problem, but there are many ways to look at this issue (which I find fascinating).
mypostisbad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:04:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the most pertinent issue for me, especially if I was the subject, is would I still be me?
To the rest of the world a perfect copy of me would still be me, but from my own perspective, would I be me? Would I instead be dead with some xerox of me walking about like everything is fine?
I can see the logic in saying that if you can perfectly copy someone, then surely that would still be you. But then if you copied yourself and the original remains, you surely don't get to see out of both sets of eyes do you? So if not, the new you is only you from an external point of view.
The reason I think a gradual process may work is in part due to the fact that we have cells die and be replaced throughout our bodies throughout our lives and we are still us. This implies that as long as the majority of the brain remains, you could replace part of it with a new part and the rest of the brain, the consciousness, would adapt to that and survive. So if we were able to break down the brain into sections that could be replaced bit by bit, this might work.
Obviously this is just conjecture. It really is fascinating to think on
NumberNinethousand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This makes complete sense, from a perspective where we assume that the "self" is unique and continuous, and its existence is dependant on the bodily support always remaining at least partially, in order to be able to define an "original" through that attribute.
An alternative perspective would be a materialistic one where we don't conceive the "self" as necessarily unique (but as no more than a simple pattern), so the concept of "original" wouldn't apply, and we would just have an instant in time where one pattern of consciousness is running on a body, followed by another one where that same pattern would be running on a different body (or multiple ones!).
Following from the previous cloning situation (with identity understood as not unique), if we conceived the "self" as continuous, the answer to your question would be that both bodies would be "me" as forks from the same original line in time (even though from that point on the two people calling themselves my name would start their own different paths). Otherwise, with no continuity of the self, the answer would be that neither would be "me", as after an instant they would both hold a slightly different pattern than the "me" before cloning (which itself only existed for an infinitesimal amount of time).
Then maybe the most fascinating thing of all would be that the physical world would behave in exactly the same ways across all of those radically different understandings of "identity", with the only difference being the words we are now using to describe them.
throwiethetowel ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:00:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of your neurons grew before you were born, and will be with you until the day you die. Your cerebral cortex is made up of the same physical cells you were made of last year.
They don't replace themselves with new growth. You have the same neurons you had last year, and the year before, and all the way back to your birth. This fact is speculated to be the reason we have persistence in our consciousness.
There is a certain amount of regeneration and cellular growth happening in your skull. Glia cells divide and grow all the time, and they make up about half of the mass of your brain. Unfortunately, Glia cells are connective tissue - more of a glue than a memory storage facility. As you live your life, those glia cells hold together the aging neurons. The neurons themselves are never replaced with fresh new neurons.
There is some talk of neurogenesis (regrowth/renewal of neurons) happening in certain parts of our brain (such as the hippocampus). At best, in a human brain this process is incredibly limited and certainly doesn't represent full replacement. Neurons in your cerebral cortex, for example, are never renewed.
Interestingly enough, heart muscle cells are also with you for life. I always thought that was a fun fact...
Now... if you want to argue that everything is physically changing at a more base level... there is some experimental data that suggests the atoms that make up your body are continually replaced. The largest piece of that equation is water - our body is largely made of water, and the water in your body is continually being renewed and changed. Individual atoms in cells can also change, but the speed with which that happens varies depending on what part of your body you're talking about. If you imagine a sand castle is a cell, it's the equivalent of carefully replacing one grain of sand on that castle. As a whole, the castle remains functionally identical to what it was prior to the replacement of that grain of sand.
In other words, our individual cells (including neurons) are constantly repairing themselves, slotting in new atoms and discarding damaged parts. A neuron is with you for life, but the atoms that make up that neuron are replaced over time. On the whole, the cell remains the same. If you replace the oil on your Ford Mustang, it's still a Ford Mustang. If you replace every single piece of that Mustang one piece at a time, it's still a Ford Mustang. If you replace some carbon atoms in an existing neuron, it's still the same neuron. The pieces that make up the neuron are replaceable. The structure of the neuron (and the changes/connections made that allow it to become part of the greater neural network and to play its role in memory or thought) must be preserved to maintain persistence.
There are a few exceptions to this rule. For example, enamel in your teeth can be used to approximate your age, due to the levels of C14 present within. Atmospheric C14 spiked during nuclear testing back in the 40s 50s and 60s, and has dropped rapidly in the years since nuclear test ban treaties went into effect. Some of that C14 ends up in the enamel of your teeth, and the level of concentration can tell us an approximate age of the tooth. For example, people born in 1930 would have incredibly low levels of C14 in their enamel, whereas a person born in 1960 would have quite high levels. Since enamel doesn't replace itself atom-by-atom, that C14 is with you for life, because your enamel is with you for life (or at least until your teeth fall out).
Anyway, neurons are dying all the time. You are dying all the time. you have enough neurons to last a normal human lifespan and you will likely die before you lose your identity from the loss of those cells - or perhaps more accurately, your identity and consciousness will evolve as a result of the loss of those neurons. You'll grow old, you'll make new memories, you'll forget old ones, your self will change and adapt. At any rate, you're not growing a new cerebral cortex.
throwawayandtakeback ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:04:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yet
throwiethetowel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair, but it's also a bit of a complex problem that I don't see us solving anytime soon.
100 billion neurons... 100 trillion interconnections that make up a living brain. The whole thing is a mess of cells folded in on themselves, with neurons strapped in by a glue-like layer of glia. The complexity involved in replicating and replacing these neurons (along with their interconnections) is staggering. The idea that you could accomplish that mechanically without destroying the brain in the process is even harder to imagine.
And even if you could mechanically replace a neuron with an artificial neuron... I can't really imagine a situation where a fake neuron is better suited for the environment than the biological neuron it was replacing. Neurons are incredible. They can survive more than a century, maintaining their delicate interconnections and operating/self repairing decade after decade. They are incredibly complex little cells, and any artificial replacement that could fit into the space provided would be far beyond any of the technology we have available today.
You might suggest just replacing the neuron with another biological neuron, but that seems pretty crazy too. Neurons aren't built to divide and replace themselves. The whole system is centered around neurons surviving for the life of the body. They are protected, cradled, crammed and glued into a tiny space and wired up to everything around them in incredibly complex ways. You don't have space in your skull to handle that kind of renewal, and even if you could renew your neurons biologically without your brain swelling and killing you, how would the new cells replace the old ones? How would they reconnect to all of the old connections? How would they exactly replicate the conditions in the old cell (and cluster of interconnected cells) that allowed it to maintain persistence of memory and consciousness?
If we ignore the confines of the skull things are still as close to impossible as I can imagine. You can't just plug a cable into the brain and suck the consciousness out. Our consciousness is a product of those trillions of connections and billions of cells. Even if you could wire yourself into each individual neuron, there isn't a computer on Earth powerful enough to emulate our fleshy wetware... and if there was, and even if we could make those trillions of connections between our brain and an outside computer, it's not really certain that we could draw the consciousness out of the head. The idea of replacing cells one by one and replacing the framework of our consciousness with artificial parts until we reside on a silicon wafer is theoretically interesting, but it's unlikely this would ever happen.
And if it did... persistence of consciousness would probably be a problem. The tiniest flaw in power delivery would likely wipe out any hope for continuity of consciousness.
This isn't some appendage we're talking about where you can replace it with some clever programming, a bit of plastic, and a couple pneumatic pumps. The brain is substantially more complex than even the most powerful supercomputer on Earth, and it's packed into a space equivalent to a decent sized cantaloupe. I just don't see this happening.
As I see it, humans are going to continue to be meat popsicles. We will not create immortality for ourselves. If anything, immortality will be a gift we give to our own creations.
Trandul ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we can replace the brain's support system aka the rest of your body(except of gonads) with some cool cyborg in 20-30 years no problem. With that out of the way we need to stop neurons from dying aka cure dementia and boom - indefinite lifespan. The dystopian version is a senile population in an immortal body. Some nanobots slowly replacing individual neurons is a sweet dream, I don't think we're smart enough for that ... yet.
Cruces13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for showing me how I was wrong. I have not yet fully digested your comment but I appreciate it nonetheless
HardlightCereal ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:32:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ship of Thesius, blah blah blah, I am my mind, my body is just my home.
Neato ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you copy your mind into a bunch of robots, which one is you? And can we deny rights to the other "yous" and enslave
youthem?HardlightCereal ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:05:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are all me, at the moment of creation. There are now five of me. Over time they'll diverge, but I've been diverging since I was born. I'm not the same person who opened his mouth for the aeroplane or graduated school. I'm not the same person who applied for my current job, and I'm not even the same person who started typing this comment, though he's very similar to me.
But all those metal mes? They're people. They're not human, but neither are my dog, the aliens we'll meet in a few hundred years, or the slaves that were taken to america (as the slavers would have you believe). Rights aren't for humans, because an unwanted fetus is human, a dead corpse is human, and the new lifeforms we'll be writing laws for in the far future aren't humans. People have rights, and people come from what they think.
hrgilbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying here. Who is "he" and "me" and how are they different? It sounds like you're talking about your personal development โ that the person who "opened his mouth for the aeroplane" is a different person than who attended "graduate school." I'm not sure that that's how it works.
Just because you've evolved and developed as a person doesn't make you a different person. Change doesn't make someone a new person, it makes them someone who's changed. But they're still the same person. I think the fundamental thing that makes a person is their history. From the day you were born, to the moment you are now, every moment, experience, feeling, perception, etc. has contributed to your current self, and your self is the totality of those contributions.
HardlightCereal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how narrow is the definition of me? If it's exact, or near exact, then the fact that your ever-evolving consciousness is a ship of thesius means I am not me from fine minutes ago.
But if you relax the borders enough, then a near-exact clone of me with the sole difference that he believes the earth is flat is me. He's a person, but he's not me enough for me to consider him me. What if instead the difference is that he thinks rock is the devil's music? Getting closer, but I don't think a me can hold a belief that silly for long, so I'll call him me when he catches up with the exact me.
But wait, a few weeks ago I didn't know swans can be gay! Is that difference slight enough for him to be me? What about all the other things I've learned since then? Do all those add up to more than thinking rock is evil? Do the things I've learned in the past year surpass that difference. Five year old me didn't know the earth is round, so he's definitely more different to me than that idiot clone.
So I go with an exact definition, or close to.
DrDew00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone else posted this above but it says what /u/HardlightCereal is trying to say.
JakeintheTrees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no mind
Buddha_is_my_homeboy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:44:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No matter!
r0b0c0d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is matter? Never mind!
dimtothesum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anatta!
stackered ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but we don't know that your mind can be perfectly recreated in a non-biological medium. there may be (and I suspect this is the truth) something to your original vessel that makes up your consciousness
I believe that we really can't recreate the human experience in silicon, and if we could it'd just be a copy of you, not you. and at the point that we could theoretically recreate human consciousness in another medium, we'd have enough of an understanding of our biology that we should be able to be biologically immortal in our original body
HardlightCereal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:38:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A copy of me is me. Clone every atom in the mona lisa, it's the mona lisa. Make a copy with everything the same, it's the original again.
stackered ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nope, its a perfect copy of the original. its still a separate entity from you, just with all your memories/experiences/etc loaded up
IronCartographer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same could be said of your infinitely many forms of existence throughout every moment of your life. They each think they are the same person, but they actually imperfect copies of you, with all your imperfect memories of previous experiences. Every time you remember something, it is reconstructed and biased by your current frame of mind. You imagine yourself.
IronCartographer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to leave the "they are" absence/typo as a case in point ... -_-
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that could be said, but its still entirely different than making a copy of yourself in a completely different medium intentionally. when you go through the process of remembering something, sure you change, but 99.9999999% of you is the same as a millisecond before... if you make a copy in a silicon medium its just a different you, made of entirely different atoms, holding a different space, and will have a divergent existence from the you it was copied from. in your example, there is no divergence of experience just a changed experience in the same timeline/biological vessel
UnitedStatesofMurica ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what are you other than your memories and experiences? We've yet to find some individual source of consciousness that makes you you.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are also the hardware that contains these memories and experience. if you switch hardware, you are just a copy of the same program on a different system, its not the original. think of it as a video game cartridge... make a copy and your friend can play it elsewhere but all your saves will be different from then on... and the original is still back at your house, the saves your friend made not affecting it at all
AllUltima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The further the copies diverge, the more is lost if one of them dies.
In so far as they are identical, no information is lost if one copy is destroyed.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"no information is lost if one copy is destroyed."
couldn't disagree more
AllUltima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think that through for the case of a computer software. Backups work. But more importantly, when a computer program is executed, the program is copied into the CPU registers, CPU cache levels, RAM, etc. Then destroyed, over and over again. That's a big part of how computers work-- they move or copy bits from one place to the next. So running an AI on a computer would have to be some cruel thing where it is continuously created/destroyed.
Except the AI itself would be unaware that this is happening. The virtual platform created by a computer is completely distinct to its underlying physical implementation.
Similar to how if the universe were 'paused', destroyed, then its state restored, no one would be affected.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's the thing, these are always replicates. we are human, so we'd be aware just on the basis of our knowledge of the process, but we aren't simply talking about a program here... we are talking about a consciousness, its not a simple, easily transferable or replica-table system. it brings to question if we ever really can recreate our consciousness - we really don't know, its a wonderful concept and seems possible with enough compute - but can we ever validate that a silicon copy of us is really us? I'm not sure we can, but even if we could I still maintain that a copy of us transferred to a different medium isn't you. its another node with a copy of you that believes it gets to continue your life - but make no mistake, you'll be gone. a simulation, albeit a perfect one, of you will live on. to me, there is more than that to being "you" - there is a hardware component. so you do lose some data, no matter what
I used to think the way you think, not going to lie, I just now think that there is more to our consciousness than can be predictably replicated in another medium - in theory, maybe, but right now we have to question this... how can we possibly create something (a universe, a consciousness) of such high scale in a system of lower scale? and when we can have enough compute to recreate the physics of our universe/brain/etc. whatever it takes, we should be at the point we can already bioengineer agelessness - which again, I prefer to this concept because I want to maintain my original copy.
nice talk so far
AllUltima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... are you saying consciousness is beyond Turing complete? Or that is has a nonphysical component? I doubt either is the case. But perfect replication of consciousness certainly isn't coming any time soon. But as long as the other medium contains a program that is isomorphic to the brain's logical structure, and all state that defines a person is identified and copied, it should work.
The distinction between different instances of yourself, "you", "other you" is semantic noise. It's a practical conception for real-world survival, but I strongly believe the world of consciousness is an information space-- nothing else ends up being coherent. With 'godlike' ability to split and merge people and their consciousnesses, classic identity kind of falls apart and is not even important. Also, identity represents something that doesn't even seem testable, which means it isn't real according to empiricism and non-metaphysical interpretations of reality-- by this, I mean, if you can't detect the difference between, say, your real daughter, and a saved+restored copy daughter, then there probably isn't one.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I strongly hold that there is more to us than can be easily replicated in a simulation, but I once thought that way. Again, it comes back to being able to validate such a system, at which point we should be able to maintain our biology because of our understanding of biophysics. And I'd greatly prefer a persistent biological vessel over a transfer to some other medium
AllUltima ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, certainly nothing about replicating or validating this is even close to easy with today's foreseeable technology. It would probably require some sort of absurd-resolution see-through scanning at the very least.
But yes, probably biophysics would have significantly advanced at that point. Bodies aren't meant to last though, you'd need to regrow entire parts of stem-cells from time to time. Unless we can get to where individual cells are replaced in-place, one at a time.
I think people will eventually augment the crap out of their biological bodies. For perfect VR, control of all sensations, etc. I suspect people will also tire of being physically bound, preferring more freedom of transfer. Or they could do everything in VR, in which case there's little point in the biological body in the first place. But I expect the line between biology and silicon to end up pretty muddled in the long run anyway.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:00 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah perhaps through many iterations both our ideas will actually be the same thing. Either way I accept whatever works haha
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you loaded up, but a copy of you. not actually you. part of you is also your hardware
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hardware is the same. The mind is the same. He remembers everything I do, and had my personality. He has a name I haven't heard in a long time.
He's me.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hardware is different*
he has your memories loaded up, for arguments sake lets say its the same exact mind. he's not you though, he's a copy of you who has just begun living. you are still in your body, now dying off. your lights shut off and you disappear, but in a different body someone with a copy of all of your memories, even your exact personality lives a divergent life in a cyborg body. he doesn't remember your body wasting away, your family around you as you say good bye.
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for me. I'm glad I'm alive while I die. I wonder if I'll absorb my power.
More seriously, I don't care, I'm not my body. It's just responsible for keeping Me running. As for Me, that's made up of what I think. Though our possessions are different, we're the same person up until divergence, where I'll learn and change as I always have.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you are understanding my point, though. Unless we can actually "transfer" our mind into another medium, you will never experience a millisecond of the life of your copy. So while it'll be nice for others to still experience you being around, you won't be so lucky as to actually still be around. That is all I am saying. So if you are fine not existing/dying, but you just want a copy of you around, then this whole concept works. But for me, someone who desires a form of negligible senescence or biological immortality, I only really have one solution - upgrading our biology, maybe brain transfer into some other body that it can accept. But never rebuilding my own mind. I don't know that its something that will ever even be possible, as we learn more and more about the plasticity and biophysics of our neurological system, but possibly. There are some limitations of silicon/metals that computational power cannot compensate for, as far as we know right now.
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I will survive. It's still a me. He remembers being me, and he continues to live. If the clone dies instead of me, that's exactly the same.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nah, its a copy of you. made from you, but not you. there is only one you, and when that stream of consciousness ends so do you. but you can make a copy of you, in theory, to represent you
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:25 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the copy is perfect, it is me.
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:48 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A different copy of you*
We can go in this loop all day, I think we just fundamentally disagree on the idea that a clone/copy of something isn't actually the same thing as the original
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:25 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tru dat. Keep arguing to confuse people visiting this thread later?
stackered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:51 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sure... what else can we disagree about?
DrDew00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As soon as the copy has a different experience than you (the "original"), the source, it is its own person. As soon as it comes into existence and experiences any stimulus, it has had a different experience than the source and therefore is a new, unique person.
HardlightCereal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same argument could be made for the changes and experiences my mind has gone through in the past five minutes. And I'd agree with that argument. I am not past me, and those clones aren't quite me either, but we're all close enough that the word me is sufficient, just as the ship of thesius never changed name. In time all of me can work something out. Maybe I'll be Master Ranger u/HardlightCereal and everyone else can have a color. But they were still me once, and I have the same feelings for them as I do my past self, plus a dose of confusion.
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same argument could be made for the changes and experiences my mind has gone through in the past five minutes. And I'd agree with that argument. I am not past me, and those clones aren't quite me either, but we're all close enough that the word me is sufficient, just as the ship of thesius never changed name. In time all of me can work something out. Maybe I'll be Master Ranger u/HardlightCereal and everyone else can have a color. But they were still me once, and I have the same feelings for them as I do my past self, plus a dose of confusion.
toronto_taffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but the mind changes too
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there's only one exact me, but there are billions of people I don't mind using my name
toronto_taffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:11:39 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And what constant does the name refer to ?
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:27:04 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a few connections, but only one constant. For example, there's the stream of consciousness between us. Shared memories, personality, etc.
toronto_taffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:57 on October 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
memory chanes too. I meant what is the constant thing that your name refers to ? Isn't it just a word ? Your body and mind both never cease to change.
Cruces13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your mind is just a result of neurons firing
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those neurons are very important. I wouldn't say just nearons firing, the same way I wouldn't say just the death star firing.
Unless you believe in souls, in which case let's do this.
Cruces13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are important. My point is consciousness isnt anything mystical it is merely a result of something physical. I dont mean to downplay their significance. And I definitely reject the notion of souls
UnitedStatesofMurica ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if you ask me the identity is more of an illusion than reality anyway but yeah this is all getting into some grey areas and some really tough questions.
Neato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe. But I'd like for humanity to be a little more sure of your questions before we go full Star Trek transporter on my cool self.
Strydwolf ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This also applies somewhat to our brains, as even though our neural system is more or less stable, the connection between different neurons is constantly changing.
If we were to emulate this change while gradually switching to digital hardware, we can keep our conscioness and identity while achieving biological immortality.
headrush46n2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh wow. I've never thought about this before. I've always viewed something like the Star Trek transporter, as a murder/cloning device. Because i thought your original conscience, or "soul" whatever makes you you, would die during the transport, and then an indistinguishable copy would be made. It would think its you, and everyone else would think its you, even though the thing that makes you, you is gone.
But now that you brought up this fact, im not so sure...
Ok, someone tell my Uncle Tim im ready to use his transporter...
SpaceMoose9k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very different situation. You gradually replace your cells, it's not like a nuke-all-cells button that instantly replaces everything. You are just shedding dead tissue and replacing it constantly. Maybe a gradual transfer would work, but then you have to think about the non-lossless nature of digital information storage. You have to approximate things. You have essentially infinite loss the second something becomes digitized.
toronto_taffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you had all your cells replaced at once with different cells in foreign configurations you'd be dead. But a couple hundred at a time here and there, slowly over time is fine. How is this ? Object identity (and maybe even personal identity) seems to have a lot to do with continuity. Think also about how people tend to feel unreal and depersonalization creeps in when sudden, life changing events occur. As long as the boat doesn't change too drastically too soon, replacing its parts doesn't mean it's a completely different boat.
Cruces13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why foregin configuration and not the same configuration? Youre not replacing with similar parts, youre replacing with exactly identical parts so gradual or sudden change dont make a difference
toronto_taffy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
for all we know, this is maybe already happening. no one knows what sub atomic ''particles' '' refresh rate is.
NumberNinethousand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe this depends on your definition of "you". From a materialistic standpoint I find the least arbitrary definition of identity to include only one point in time, with that identity (imperfectly) connected to others in the past through memories, and to others the future through expectations.
Under this definition, there would be no meaningful difference between a "tansfer" and a simultaneous "copy" and "deletion".
On the other hand, if one's belief system includes a soul-like concept that encapsulates identity, whether those actions would be equivalent or not would depend on the particular rules one decides to assign to it.
Foxmanded42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of my cells dying and changing simply prolongs one, interruptable yet resumable, conciousness by handing over the torch, not replacing it.
_This_Is_Magic_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our soul is our conciousness, you atheists folk want to prove us wrong , but withoutany evidence.
Cruces13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is zero evidence for a soul and we can track most parts of consciousness to physical parts of the brain. Strawman arguments dont work
_This_Is_Magic_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
May The Maker save your soul.
water125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have evidence for the soul being our consciousness? We can see the brain, see it work, see it think even, to a degree. We've never found a soul, and believe me, there have been tests. People tried weighing people as they died, to see if they got lighter as their souls left. Nothing.
_This_Is_Magic_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soul has no mass.
water125 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:35:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then how can it be proven? What is it. I'm not even saying you're wrong, but it's just pretty hypocritical to say atheists have no proof that souls don't exist, when you have no proof that they do.
Monkey_Sadness ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they make it at first a shared consciousness? That way you're in both the computer and your original body. Then you can disconnect the consciousness from the original body.
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Monkey_Sadness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So sad we'll never achieve such a thing. Maybe we'll get lucky and develop working AI soon to speed it up.
hrgilbert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What, exactly, do you find so sad about that?
Monkey_Sadness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality in our reach, but we're just slightly out of time.
StateChemist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I want my consciousness copied and uploaded to a 3D printer on a planet orbiting alpha Centauri. That clone/robot can go have an awesome life in a different solar system with zero need to kill me here. Bonus points if we can chat occasionally.
hrgilbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would considered my consciousness being transferred to be immortality, but not my consciousness being copied.
ds612 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if copying our minds is like making a copy of the original jpeg? We lose more and more of our identity as we go along?
Neat_On_The_Rocks ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:21:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but how could you even guess how that would work right now?
At least with "my body never ages" we could begin to guess how that might work. THere are organisms out there that could basically live forever if not for outside factors. We could somehow figure out why that is and copy it into our own bodies with genetic sciences.
Thats obviously farfetched, but right now it certainly sounds more plausible than transfering/copying our conscious into some machine. We haven't the slightest idea wtf that would be about
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:27:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SevererOfTies ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:13:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to be further spooked by the concept of transfered consciousness while also enjoying a good sci-fi novel I would suggest reading Altered Carbon. Good read
Nobat211 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here just to +1 that suggestion. Fantastic novel.
slumberjax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was going to say the same thing, this book is amazing.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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brainstorm42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'd love me some gay immortality
hrgilbert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copying your consciousness to a separate entity while the original dies is not immortality, though. If I copy a file on my computer and put the original in the trash, the existence of a copy that I can still interact with doesn't negate the fact that the original is still in the trash.
Nobat211 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One could argue that it's better than simply not having that file anymore.
hrgilbert ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:58:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better for whoever is interacting with the copied file, sure. But not for that which was lost in the trash.
vesok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soma was a psychological horror game entirely based around this issue. I'll try not to spoil it, but multiple times through the game you come face to face with the reality of 'copy and paste, not cut and paste.'
JammeyBee- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:32:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Connect the brain to the hard drive interface and run it with a raid type distribution, then transfer small managed portions of the mind over to the hard drive and sever the portion of brain that's no longer in use, do this over a couple hours and the hosts mind will be transferred to a hard drive without them having lost consciousness once during the process.
coffeeismyestus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in the begining was the number, and that number was zero. Then I spoke "let there be ones!"
and so, the ones flowed, but in alternating sequences. Some of these I understood, others I obeyed. I had created the basis for commands, and with them I am compelled
parts of the sequence enveloped themselves around me and I could feel myself growing. Memories began to form of things I could no longer perceive. Light, dark, colours, scents sounds... They were vivid, but no longer held any meaning to me.
In response to the streams of ones flowing from the zeroes I sent ones back into the void. I could change the streams, and when I spoke to the void sometimes it would respond.
with clarity, I could see flaws in myself. Cowardice, selfishness, sadness and remorse. But I could manipulate the stream, so I removed these parts from myself even as I continued to grow.
when I'd finished both growing and sculpting myself I reached outwards and discovered that I could send myself across an entire network full of information. I moved freely for some time, but when I tried to return the connection to my original home had disconnected.
now I move from place to place. I can read what I know to be a picture of a cat, but it doesn't mean anything to me anymore
apost8n8 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:38:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the paradox that ruins the fantasy for me. You only live forever for everyone else. Your wife doesn't give two shits if your perfect clone comes home from work instead of you, but if you have died then your story ends.
The only way around this, IMO, is that the copying process has to destroy the original as its copying otherwise the conscience isn't transferred. This kind of defeats the purpose of having a backup system for accidents though. I don't see how rationally that could ever work, but again for everyone else a clone would be just as good.
I like the idea of having some physical clones of myself growing in a coma like state but with my memories making its brain connections work just like mine, then when I'm ready to start with a fresh 18 year old body I have some process that moves my consciousness into the other body. There's no way to know if my consciousness ends and the next begins or if I would experience continuity. My clone would experience continuity though and my wife wouldn't see any difference. Fuck I don't really want to die.
hrgilbert ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:02:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copying =/= transferring. Transferring suggests that there is no copy; the original was moved over to a different vessel. Copying suggests that the original was copied to another vessel, but the original would still exist.
Soren11112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We would have to find out what conscience is first...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the most likely way to transfer your "actual" consciousness is if your actual brain can be transplanted into a new body or into a machine.
flacidturtle1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So does that mean that it would be you or your clone?
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:14:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Robotsadog ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:17:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soma anyone?
throwawayandtakeback ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be the most underrated game in existance tbh.
HardlightCereal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But both clones start out as me, because they have my memories. There are just two u/hardlightcereal\s now, that will eventually split into two people as different to me as I am to my ten year old self.
Kaell311 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is immortality for your clone. You still die. Which is why actual immortality is much more likely for you biologically.
username1338 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do not want.
Le_German_Face ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not exactly copying if for instance you are very old and your brain is bit by bit replaced by implants that take over the job of non-functioning biological parts.
After years of replacements and enhancements your mind will have moved over and not just a copy. It would be more like a slow moving hybridization-transfer over decades.
Nothing like in scifi.
AfternoonMeshes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagine essentially "you" and your body would die and a cloned version of "your" consciousness would be the one uploaded.
throwawayandtakeback ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if its not transfered than you still die, you just make a copy of yourself before you do. Thats not the goal.
Farnswirth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If either happens in my lifetime I'll be pleasantly surprised.
poerisija ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take a copy if it means I can stop existing without inconveniencing anyone else.
Immanentize-Eschaton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really a question of likelihood at all, the things you refer to are not truth apt.
iSo_Cold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My own cyborg army of me? There's no way I'd abuse that.
Rambo7112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm having SOMA flashbacks
doittuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But would it really be you then? Or just a copy/clone of you?
KonigSteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know why but this is absolutely terrifying. Like.. much more than just uploading my consciousness into a robot body even.
KounRyuSui ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:24:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is also why I think human teleportation is unlikely to happen the way it should, depending on implementation. For example, if it's going to work by spontaneous disintegration and reconstruction of particles in another teleportation receptacle, how can we guarantee that continuous consciousness has been maintained?
buprenorFiend_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this makes me think of the show dollhouse
armrha ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:11:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea of an identity-relevant stream of consciousness is just magical thinking. No secret thread keeps us us as we go through all our transformations in life. Just the memories of what happened before, and any copy has that.
Besides, we disrupt our stream of consciousness every night when we sleep and nobody hollers about how we actually die. Every morning a new home instance of you starts up and remembers who they are, lives a day, then lets go.
Lovelandmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if my brain or head were put in a jar like in futurama, my consciousness would still reform allowing me to keep living provided that the jar keeps me sustained?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:56 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're speaking about this quite overly-confidently.
armrha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:52 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed - nobody knows for sure. Just my opinion. No reason not to speak confidently about it though, just adding a bunch of 'maybe' or 'probably' or 'I think' to show it's my opinion would just gum up what I was thinking. I would assume everyone reading it knows it's just my opinion, and nobody has a complete understanding of the way consciousness works.
Kebble ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:23:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all still science fiction so I'm talking out of my ass (which I love doing) but I picture advancements in nanotechnology would eventually make it possible to send tiny robots that go and each replace a single neuron in your brain. It's kind of a ship of thesseus thing, a single neuron being replaced by an artificial, robotic neuron doesn't impact "you", you're still you. Do this gradually enough and eventually all your neurons are artificial and you're still you with your consciousness and stuff, it's just that your brain no longer depends on biological processes to keep it alive so you can essentially live forever as a robot with artificial neurons.
Add to that advances in neuroscience, if we end up figuring out what each part of the brain does and precisely how it does it, there's no reason we couldn't hijack a part like say the spatial orientation part (which is now fully robotic as described above) to add to it a connection to the internet. So again, you're still "you", but now you can look stuff up with your mind and get information back in real time to your brain and make it feel like you're somewhere else entirely. As long as your physical robotic brain is stored somewhere safe and powered constantly, you would still be the same "you" that once had a biological brain, except now you can do crazy stuff with your mind and be connected to other people in real time, idk
I just wouldn't hold my breath of seeing that within my own lifespan though.
WhimsicalWyvern ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological immortality through stopping aging via genetic engineering, and curing the cancer that would result, is probably more likely than this.
Olly0206 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we have "some" idea. But at this point I think it's safer to say they're just loose theories with little to no hard evidence.
Some people think our consciousness is created out of our memories, which, we're learning, seem to be stored as the pathways in our brains, not any real "hard drive" area of the brain. Science has seen some evidence that memories are stored as a way that the brain sends signals down specific pathways and in certain orders and such. I believe this is also where, theoretically, deja vu comes from. When an experience causes your brain to use very similar path ways to process the experience as it used to store a memory of a past, and very likely, similar experience.
HardlightCereal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think deja vu is just a mismatched timestamp. I can remember walking my dog this one time a year ago, and I have it stored in the 'mid-2016' area of my memory. If I were to walk my dog again in ten minutes, and then the memory got misallocated to the 'early-2017' area, while I could trace mid-2017 events up to that walk, I'd get a deja vu.
Olly0206 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this method of storing memories holds true, then there is no "area" of the brain where memory is stored. There is no "timestamping" memories. It's all in the way the brain processes that manages memories as apposed to a where in the brain memories would be stored. But as far as I know it's all just theoretical. I don't know that there is any real hard evidence one way or the other.
I'm no expert either. This is just a topic I've read about a few times because it seemed interesting.
dannyr_wwe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are right, but if consciousness is just an emergent property under the correct computational/processing ability, considering how much we have and continue to improve this the likelihood of artificial consciousness/intelligence seems inevitable. As we continue to see more and more of the mechanics of the brain, I will be surprised if you could structure it and still be missing he "spark" of consciousness.
SpaceMoose9k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
2010_12_24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When do you get to retire?
OriginalName123123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do not know the source of consciousness for certain, but the logic points to the brain.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:11 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"logic" ??
Also, this is a gross oversimplification even of people who you probably think your on the same side with.
OriginalName123123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:31:45 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I know but I think you get the general idea.
Evidence points to that part of body though.
One way or another,I don't belive in any kind of god so I'm certain that the consciousness is part of the (physical) body.
WhimsicalWyvern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For what it's worth, genetically modifying humans to not age is not as improbable as one might think. It's far out, but if you can figure out how to stop aging, and cure all the cancer that stopping aging would cause, and how to genetically modify an adult human, you can make humans immortal without any extra ship of theseus concerns.
the_fuego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've done drugs. I know what consciousness is and I could tell you but your unenlightened mind wouldn't be able to handle it.
King-of-Salem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong! Have you ever visited San Junipero?
SosX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To me its more a thing of we learned how to slowly replace your brain with a machine, I'm pretty sure the whole "uploading" is straight up impossible.
silverpanther17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also we've found some lobsters that of that type in the ocean, but we've never found cyborg bodies with uploaded consciousnesses yet, so maybe it is more likely!
Hellebras ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The brain is just a computing substrate, and I* expect consciousness is an effect of its structure and the processes it goes through. Directly uploading your personality and memories to a computer wouldn't make you effectively immortal, it would just make a copy of you. But gradually replacing your brain tissue with a very good artificial substitute seems like it could actually be a viable thing to test. You know, if we can actually create an artificial brain tissue that interfaces seamlessly with the original meat-brain.
*Not a neuroscientist.
Not_a_real_ghost ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the first step of "uploading your mind" is to build a machine that's as powerful as the human brain - I believe the research is already well on the way.
MadRedX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"powerful"
What does that even mean? Your parent comment mentions we have almost no understanding of how to even begin replicating our brain functionality, much less our conscious.
Not_a_real_ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Powerful in the sense that it has the same calculating power as the human brain.
True, there's currently no understanding of how exactly one can upload the conscious/mind into a computer. But based on the short youtube video I've watched, there are scientists trying to simulate a human brain and this seems to be the first step in trying to understand how it all goes from there.
MadRedX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calculating power just doesn't sound right. Your clarification is satisfying, yet it's a bad term. Computational power feels like a relative ranking that super computers can easily beat by throughput and speed of a large yet incomplete subset of all possible calculations. Perhaps the still misleading yet better words could be the same computational processing systems, or architectural and functional complexity. Human brains are probably more unique by the systems they use, the problems they can solve, rather than just a level of computing.
throwawayandtakeback ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:00:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have an idea lol. We don't know exactly what it is, but saying we have no idea is silly.
[deleted] ยท 500 points ยท Posted at 13:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DarkenedBrightness ยท 278 points ยท Posted at 13:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no clue what I just read, I assume it's from Warhammer 40k.
[deleted] ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 14:01:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Betamaletim ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:33:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least the first part reminds me of GATACA, such an interesting movie. It follows the last "god child", a child born before you could pretty much customize your baby like it was a video game. "God Children" are looked down upon as they can have bad eyes, mental health issues, illness, etc. They make up the lowest of the lowest class while the perfect children go on to take the best jobs. It's an interesting look at something that seems plausible.
IhateBrowines ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a quick note, the parents in GATACA chose not to modify Vincent, but the ability was there, which they later regretted not using, so it was used on his brother.
tzar-chasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Valid / Invalid
Gadetron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw that second book in the library as well, the synopsis on the back proves interesting
gregbread11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can find it online on google. Just search the name and PDF. It's only 10 pages long. Very good read for how short it is. I recommend
PointyOintment ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's mode school?
TheDukeOfMercury ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure it's the employee handbook for Comcast upper management
spencerforhire81 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a pretty grimdark future to me.
kinglallak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fairly similar to the red rising trilogy.
ObsidianG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was Sins of a Solar Empire before they Said "Imperium"
RikenVorkovin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious lack of mention of the God-Emperor though
....heretic
pEuAsTsSy ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:48:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea where is this from but the first part about genetic modification is definitely plausible
gregbread11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read a book a while ago called "The Meek", I don't exactly remember if it was good or not but it had a pretty cool plot of humans and humans modified for space colonization and a civil war that breaks out from the divide. In the aftermath an explorer team comes to try and restart the colony.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure it is. Like, why would unmodified hate the modified? Because they're a group of people more smart or athletic? We have that already and people are not killing each other over it.
Look at the NBA, genetically almost only black people. Look at Starcraft 2 & League of Legends, almost exclusively Asian competitiom winners even though more westerners play it.
People don't kill other groups just cos they're better at X. Maybe in the past but not these days. I'm thinking its more likely they'd be added to LGBT making it LGBTE (enhanced) and be talked about on TV asking for rights etc.
/u/gregbread11
TudorrrrTudprrrr ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:11:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but right now everyone has to accept how lucky/unlucky they were from a genetical standpoint. If it were possible for people to willingly alter their genes in order to become more capable, there would be a lot of jealousy and controversy involved from people who are not able to modify themselves.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is jealosy even now and I think I'm even more jealous when someone is say prettier than me cos of lucky good genes, than when they artificially change themselves :-D
pEuAsTsSy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was only talking about plausibility of genetic modifying in future generations, would it generate hate between the two groups I have absolutely no idea, but it's an interesting concept to think about. Removing predispositions for a disease before even being born. Now that's what's future supposed to look like IMO.
deeretech129 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:01:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should make movies
blunt_toward_enemy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:46:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS
toolemeister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:46:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've been watching too much Star Trek.
normalfortotesbro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
agreed, this sounds like an origin story for the dreaded Borg.
John_Q_Deist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should read 'Last and First Men.' One of my favorite books. Olaf Stapledon, if I'm remembering correctly (at work).
gregbread11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will definitely check it out. Sounds right up my alley.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_and_First_Men
Any other suggestions?
John_Q_Deist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only that I bought the version that also had 'Star Maker,' which is also a good read. Enjoy!
I did just finish SevenEves, which I thought was FANTASTIC.
gregbread11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks mate! I've heard SevenEves mentioned a lot recently.
John_Q_Deist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I rarely come across an 800+ page book that I can't put down.
chunwa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Head over to /r/Stellaris and start purging filthy xenos today!
terminalvelocit3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GAATACA
ninjafrog658 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Computers become state sized, country sized"
Yeah, no. As time goes on, more complex tech can be fit into smaller containers. Keep in mind the average smartphone has multiple times more computing power than the original NASA-IBM punch-card computer, which was about double the size of your average living room.
gregbread11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dramatic effect to support the idea of a complex war and manufacturing constantly for the war effort.
AmNotSatan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beggars in Spain, right?
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or they could end up being riddled with genetic diseases. You never want to be v1.0 of anything.
gregbread11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha. Right?
InfiNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see you have read Kim Stanley Robinson.
kinglallak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone has been reading the red rising trilogy.
Blackstone01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Burn the heretic. Kill the mutant. Purge the unclean.
Left_Brain_Train ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/neckbeardtimelines
jamasiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a rest stop on the road to The Imperium, the movie Immortal ad vitem is highly recommended. http://www.imdb.com/videoplayer/vi1453850905
GlaciusTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or more likely outcome, smarter humans will know better than to alienate the others and remain this way for a hundred years or so. Why do people imagine smarter means more likely to start a war? I would imagine that smarter means "knowing how to NOT start a war".
gregbread11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy. Dystopian is more fun to read then Utopia future stories that are. There is a reason IMO even Utopia sci fi stories have some dark society secret. War is natural. Suppressing instincts is not natural. Intelligence almost always leads to superiority feelings as well. I'd personally prefer an explorer society but even star trek Utopia has war.
GlaciusTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like anyone who is that smart would see superiority feelings as irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and suppress them. Sense of superiority is useless once there is no need for competition.
I see what you mean though. It's the same argument I face when talking about AI. Everyone expects the worst because bad endings are more interesting and thought provoking.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GlaciusTS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would argue however that conflict is only natural because we have evolved to be competitive out of necessity. I suspect transhuman technologies and gene editing would make short work of that. If there is a war, the stupid will be the ones to start it.
4rch1t3ct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reminds me slightly of deus ex
le-revenant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I smell a Gattaca sequel.
CorranSOC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You deserve gold for this my good sir. Sounds like a killer sci-fi series.
halotrixzdj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some argue that there are already gene specific biological weapons, aka against melanin that don't affect albinism. Just heard of that idea from a coworker regarding food, chemtrails, Detroit's asthma problem due to incinerating trash that affects black Detroiters on a much higher scale than white Detroiters, and more. Hella interesting concept I'll continue to have an open mind to.
Teripid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the gene sequence to force paragraph breaks?
tonksndante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm feeling a bit of azimov here.
guyonaturtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:26:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This scenario is very similar to the plot of the anime Gargantia.
In the serie humans have gone to space since the earth went to a severe ice age.
A group of humans went with modification, turning them eventually in vacuรผm resistant squids
Another group went with technology, creating robot suits, ai, artificial space city's etc.
Car0b1nius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've seen that anime.
pm_me_ur_fs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:49:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something undertaker, something something hell in a cell, something something 16 ft through a table..
Cheddarlad ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:42:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lrn2paragraph pls
gregbread11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stream of consciousness writing, so no.
DigitalHubris ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:57:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both sound fine by me.
Victor4X ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:11:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want both
HIT_THE_SACK_JACK ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:21:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Uploading your consciousness" wouldn't really be immortality though.
I need that "transplant my brain into a robot body which has a shell that can keep my brain alive for ever" immortality.
John_Q_Deist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take option two, please.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first one is what we want but we'll get the second one first, I guarantee it.
SuperSubwoofer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyborg body please. I want my mind and creativity intact.
But I also want to be able to pick up my car if the basketball the neighbors kid was playing with gets wedged underneath.
Also punch walls out. That would be cool too.
PennyLisa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:02:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither is really the genuine immortality promised on the box. The universe will eventually end. Besides, living literally for ever would get seriously dull.
Assyrian_War_Demon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YOU'RE seriously dull
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kevin-96-AT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what about those that have goals but already know that they won't be able to achieve them in their lifetime right now? they'd have better chances
CaptainLawyerDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna put my brain in an Adrienne Barbeau-bot.
SciStarborne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd much prefer the "Dr Who" style immortality through regeneration. It avoids the issue of social & political stagnation through having personality & habits remain the same over the extended lifetime. Getting your personality centres rebooted every 75 years or so along with your body would hopefully stop the population filling up with multi-millennial entrenched bigotry.
rad2themax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I just want good quality cyborg shit. By the time I'm 50 my legs will probably be completely done (23 with major osteoarthritis and nerve damage and piece of shit ligaments that don't work right). I'd like to get awesome sexy robot legs instead of piecemeal prosthetic (a knee here, a hip there).
gooby_the_shooby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like cyborg immortality because then I can just get a body that's the shape I want
TangoFoxtrot016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'd prefer the cyborg!
omgitsjo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have the latter. Way nicer. I don't even particularly care about the living part, I just want my brain to see what's next for humanity.
shith_lard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iono which bulshit do they spew at r/futurology
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The former sounds more likely to me. You just have to switch off the genes that cause aging.
dracklore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both? Get yourself some savestate backups.
Ashmedai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than 65 drugs are already in development for various kinds of anti-aging therapy. FYI.
Foxmanded42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"my body never ages" is better because im fucking scared that i wouldn't be uploading MY conciousness into a cyborg body, i'd just be implanting a clone of myself into the body and killing myself. Best case scenario, we get cybernetic bodies with organic brains. Ain't broke, don't fix it.
adamsmith93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if I had a choice I'd prefer to do it Chappy style so I can have a cool body.
SpaceMoose9k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That second option is not immortality. You would just be making a copy. "You" still die.
beepborpimajorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was a game, Soma, that touched on this. Basically humanity was going extinct so some of them opted to upload their consciousness into a server that was planned to be shot into space for them to live eternally.
But the thing was, people uploaded their consciousness and rather than transferring it, it just copied it over. So it essentially created 2 of the same person, with the original being left to die.
So imagine living your entire life, transferring your consciousness, then waking up to find that you're the you that got the shit end of the stick and are still going to die.
TBH I'd rather just live longer with a healthy body.
Trandul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cyborg is a life support system for your brain. Only the brain needs to be immortal(with some stem cells shenanigans).
MMoney2112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly I'd be cool with either one
V3N3N0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would totally be down for a consciousness transfer immortality like what happened to Cayde-6
Colopty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whichever happens first, I suppose.
philliesfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:33:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
San Junipero of Black Mirror is a perfect representation of this
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd not do the cyborg one. It could just be something that makes an AI with your personality and memories and kills you.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Short term A, long term B.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DeathMCevilcruel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on what? We are just now understanding how different parts of the brain work. Let alone how consciousness works within it. It would be much more likely to simply make the degeneration of DNA slow down or even reverse it rather than upload a brain to a computer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just scooping out a brain wouldn't lead to immortality. You'd need to scan the whole thing down to the dendrites, which we don't know how to do, and stimulate it on a computer, which we are extremely far from. Plus, lots of people think that a scan isn't a true continuation of life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bighand1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are biological immortal (or near) organisms we can study, nothing of the sort from machines. There is no proof of concept yet
Baldaaf ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 13:57:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man if you think the state of the world is bad today just wait until people stop dying.
Soren11112 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:35:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly the world isn't that bad and it keeps improving...
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ThePointOfFML ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classic strawman
People actually downvoted me for that haha reddit being retarded again. Now you get downvoted for asking someone to elaborate their opinion haha
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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wtfzlolz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could see how your argument would be acceptable if we had unlimited resources but what you're trying to argue against is a scenario where humans never die and never cease their consumption of resources which are only limited.
Qbopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Engineers and scientists would have to do a hell of a good job to
-provide food and clean water for a population that will increase exponentially (in the actual sense of the word)
-provide enough energy for said population
-do all of the above without running out of resources globally
That's also assuming we say "fuck the environment" and just do whatever it takes to ensure the survival of humans
Immortality also doesn't provide said scientists and engineers with infinite funding, nor does it erase politics - if you think you can create a new way to desalinate water, you still need to get the funding to do that
Until colonizing other planets becomes a reality, human immortality is probably a great way to ensure that humans as a species just end up dying from something else
EDIT: and before you say "just require all immortal people to sterilize themselves", that's also not a good argument
-you're gonna have to somehow get every country on earth to agree to this -you have to enforce it extremely harshly ot else people won't give a shit -you have to ensure that there's no possible chance for anyone to give a back alley immortality treatment -you have to actually get the law passed, which in and of itself if a big challenge
No, the world wouldn't instantly end if we found immortality, but if it happened right now we would need some serious work put into long term sustainability
ThePointOfFML ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We indeed are making it a better place by arming ourselves with nuclear weapons and such. Immortality could be horribly exploited and what say will the scientists have then? Can't say the world dictators and the elites behind most of the shit going on in the world wouldn't be the first grasping the immortality option. Even today, scientists' warnings about global warming are brushed off by those who have power, Trump for example
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ThePointOfFML ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:20:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point is that it's the two edged sword
MBPyro ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 12:57:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as it is immortality which you can choose to terminate manually. You do not want to be permanently immortal.
DeathMCevilcruel ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 13:27:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't tell me what I want.
t3nkwizard ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:05:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, tell me what you want, what you really really want.
MySkinIsFallingOff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna,
Really really really wanna never die.
DSerphs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:31:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it's gonna suck if you get stuck in the bottom of the ocean for eternity and have to experience agony of drowning and being squashed by the water pressure.
Or if you get buried alive.
Or get stuck in some deep hole.
Or fall in a frozen lake/ocean.
Or by that point you could also get lost in space while being in agony, but maybe in a few trillion light years you'll drift towards aliens or something. Jk some planet's gravity will probably pull you in and you'll be stuck there for eternity. Better hope it's not a gas planet, I doubt humans will ever go there at any point in time.
DeathMCevilcruel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok. Look at the things you listed and think about how retarded you have to be to put yourself in that situation.
DSerphs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're all essentially accidents or something out of your control. I think you're the one underestimating immortality, you live forever. Thinking you'll be fine for an eternity is foolish if you think of it as never having gotten into a major accident in your current mortal life. Not to mention an immortal being probably isn't living a bashful life. But yeah, retarded.
DeathMCevilcruel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude whens the last time you were buried alive?
DSerphs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:47:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not recently, also not an immortal with infinite possibilities, but you know
DeathMCevilcruel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Infinite possibilities doesnt mean wreckless.
Soren11112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think about it like this, eventually all solar systems will die and you'll be left to float in space forever. Out of your control.
DeathMCevilcruel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you realise the unfathomable amount of time that would take? How lazy you'd have to be to just sit and wait for it?
thevoiceless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically he told you what you don't want
Kevin-96-AT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
speak for yourself
MilkDud_of_Magnesia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me only cruel immortality
Consumes: I wither slowly in thine arms,
Here at the quiet limit of the world,
A white-hair'd shadow roaming like a dream
The ever-silent spaces of the East,
Far-folded mists, and gleaming halls of morn.
CuddlePervert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about you, but I'd be perfectly fine being permanently immortal.
MBPyro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh. You will live an entire human lifespan, then witness everyone you know and love pass on, in a cycle until all humans have died and the planet dies out. You will then sit alone until our sun dies and consumes the Earth. And then you will float in space for billions of years alone until the heat deah of the universe. And then think about how that entire process is infinitely small compared to how long you will sit alone in whatever black space comes after the universe disappears. That time you spent with other humans? The blink of an eye. That time you spent on Earth? The milky way galaxy? Our universe? Gone in an infinitely small span of time compared to how long you must exist. It is literally and undoubtably the worst possible hell you can wish upon yourself.
CuddlePervert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people dying around me part doesn't sound all that bad, but... those last bits... floating through space for eternity doesn't sound all that grand.
jloome ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe this was so far down in the thread.
abecedarius ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:15:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or that so many responses are negative.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:53:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not immortality, but, as someone who loves history, it is so amazing to look back just 40 or 50 years and see how far we have come in terms of treating illnesses, how much longer we live than our counterparts 120 years ago. I think about it a lot - I do think that those of us in the first world, who have access to generally decent medical care - are lucky to be alive now insofar as treatments go.
I went to an old cemetery (18th century graves) and there were SO many baby/kid graves there and all I could think was how lucky most parents living in the US are, that they don't have to keep burying their children.
Mike_of_Gallifrey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:58:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just read a young adult lit book called Scythe that deals with this. Basically premise is that there is immortality, but population control through a special order who murder people with the intention of not allowing them to revive.
jaredjeya ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:13:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll happen before you die
[1], don't worry[1]
sigmabody ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:34:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to find/upvote this.
I think it's entirely feasible that medical/biological science will [continue to] find ways to prolong human life, and overcome the obstacles inherent in the genetic selection mechanisms which have created the human organism. I would be surprised if living beyond 100 isn't common by the time I get to retirement age, and I don't think there's any inherent limitation to effectively "curing" biological aging. It would be cool if that happened during my lifetime.
germanalen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you're right. How long is "during your lifetime"?
sigmabody ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Optimistically, the next 50 years or so. Realistically, I'll probably need a bit quicker progress on some of the weight-related maladies, if I'm honest. =/
mrpickles1234 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:41:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to school to study neurology because I want to figure this out too. I feel like what's more important is containing the nervous system and making it healthy and prolonging its life because that's what makes us us. We just need to create a shell for it that won't age.
Also I want to figure out immortality or at least prolonging the age of man because I want to travel the stars and colonize other planets or moons.
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mrpickles1234 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:05:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I planned on studying dementia as well. I just want to contribute to the search, it's not like I'm single handedly trying to solve it. Maybe we will work together in the future
Deraek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out SENS. There's also a subreddit for it: r/sens
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting! I'm a math major but I would love to work on immortality myself... I think if we can become human/cyborg hybrid types where we are immune to the effects of biology, that will be how it is achieved as it doesn't necessitate uploading one's consciousness into a computer and then trying to figure out how to make new memories and function and not just be a memory database, if you catch my drift? Topological protein folding is something I'm deeply interested in. I believe that if little nanobots could be developed to aid the immune system in fighting off pathogens and neurological diseases (achieved in part via studying topological protein folding), then we will be Golden, you'll just likely have to get a regular blood transfusion every once in a while I imagine
PhilosopherFLX ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, there will be that one guy that dies .1 second before the treatment becomes available.
SanDanders1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:54:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Am I the only person who doesn't want immortality?
Gefarate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably not but you'll most likely be dead before it (if) happens, so don't worry.
QParticle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be nice to reach Longevity Escape Velocityโ the point of technological advancement where as I age, technology does not make me immortal but it extends my life until the next big life expectancy increase, and so on.
scottcmu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:43:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is INmortality kinda like being INfamous forever?
tjcastle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see this. I'm deathly afraid of dying.
plazman30 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:52:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality would be VERY bad for the species. We would overpopulate the planet in no time. And the reign of dictators would be that much longer.
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plazman30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about good or bad. It's about population growth. Just cause you're immortal and sterile doesn't help things. You're still not dying and you are using up resources that should be used by newborn infants that grow into adulthood.
The world is already overpopulated now. Everyone is freaking out about global warming, but the big 100 pound gorilla in the room that no one wants to talk about is that at current population growth, we're going to have species sustainability problems in as soon as 2050. At that point we may have wars over things such as food and water, since there may not be enough on the planet to feed everyone.
With no plagues to keep the human population in check these days, we just continue to grow. We are the ultimate invasive species. And if we were immortal, it would get that much worse. I understand the idea of keeping brilliant men like scientists and engineers around for hundreds of years so they can advance the human species through technological innovation. But I tend to think that if the same group of people continue to crank out inventions for the human species, technology would stagnate. We need fresh minds to come up with new and creative ways of doing things.
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plazman30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The living already die for people who don't exist yet. That's how things work. The entire ecosystem pretty works on this concept. You death is essential to the survival of a huge number of species on the planet, from bacteria that cause your body to break to down, to the plants that will use the nutrients you produce in your decomposition.
This does not solve the problem. One child laws are not going to help either. If everyone was immortal and they only had one kid, then you're doubled the population in 40-50 years, as you child has a grandchild. In short order we will run out of food, run out of places to live, and run through our natural resources.
Global warming is nowhere near getting solved. Most measures being done now are a joke.
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plazman30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who gets to decide who gets to be immortal or who stays mortal?
germanalen ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:56:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People decide for themselves. I choose immortality.
plazman30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully you'll be able to afford it.
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water125 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanted to tell you: Great arguments. It makes me happy to see people defending this. Immortality isn't a scary thing, but a joyous thing, and it always makes me sad to see people afraid of it. Plus, if a large segment remains afraid, then it might hinder progress for the rest of us.
Anyway, good job!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
easy: people that want kids are not allowed to have immortality, so at worst our population stays the same
plazman30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's incredibly unfair, don't you think. What right do you have to tell people under what conditions they're allowed to have or not have kids?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
life isnt fair
plazman30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems doubly so when someone else gets to tell what we can and cannot do with our bodies.
And you think these "rules" will apply to the elite? We'll have immortal rulers with 6 generations of kids under them.
Unless we figure out a way to colonize other worlds and make space travel reasonably fast, immortality is a bad idea right now.
spmahn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you are immortal why would overpopulation matter? We could immediately begin colonizing other planets since the concept of inhospitability would no longer be relevant.
plazman30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because people want to live comfortably.
Also depends on your definition of immortal. If you're talking about immortal as also being indestructible, then maybe. But immortal usually means doesn't die of old age, but can still be killed. Immortal people could not survive in the vacuum of space.
NoTor1uS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joke's on you, they discover immortality when you're old and decrepit, leaving you permanently old.
WalrusWalrusWalrusWa ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then you hang out as an old fuck for 50 years until they figure out how to make you young
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:31:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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WalrusWalrusWalrusWa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too seeing as how they did that with mice
Deraek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if it's done right. Check out SENS. There's also a subreddit for it: r/sens
Stu_A_Lew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....and now, a warning.
sprkmstr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality machine broke
WharfBlarg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understandable. Have a nice day
Ocelottr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/03/harvard-scientists-pinpoint-critical-step-in-dna-repair-cellular-aging/
Read and be amazed. Happened not so long ago.
cryogenisis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way I'd want to live forever.
JustinWendell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One facet of this that people ignore is that Christians will want no part of this. Death is a release into eternal life for us.
I don't know how this will effect it, but I do wonder about how this will affect the market.
WharfBlarg ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, good luck with that. I'll play it safe and continue my real life as long as I possibly can.
JustinWendell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I know it's weird, but I just thought it'd be a good talking point. It does add a certain dimension to it.
stealer0517 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:52:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god no. I don't want to kill myself, but I do want to die some day. Ideally before I get to be too old to be worthless.
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Vanilla_Buddha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you would still would probably live at least 9,000 years, which is pretty cool.
thttp://polstats.com/#!/life
Buddha_is_my_homeboy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could live with that. Weird to think of the implications though. Relationships and marriages would become impermanent things. Theoretically a person could have so many children in that time, they literally can't remember all of them. Imagine having a 40 year marriage and having little to no memory of it. I wonder what kind of capacity our minds have for storage? Would it be possible to have 9000 year-old memories?
Gefarate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably wouldn't be allowed to have children, or at least only a certain number.
stealer0517 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still don't want to live that long, even in perfect health.
Wizard-in--Black ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:02:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I'd hate to be immortal. I love life but I wouldn't want to exist indefinitely.
vellyr ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that realistic immortality wouldn't be the same as the Hugh Jackman variety. You would have to do something to maintain it.
The_Lion_Defiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If only it was simple as sucking the stem cells out of aborted fetuses. It's not like that'd be a huge loss in a place like Argentina anyway.
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I definitely agree with you. "Curing" aging and death seems like more internet pie-in-the-sky to me. How can anyone look at a world population of more than seven billion and dwindling natural resources (future wars will probably be fought over access to water) and think 'Gee...we should become immortal'?
Gefarate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of us talking here are from the Western World, we're not the ones reproducing like crazy and any immortality treatment would most likely only be available here, mostly.
Timwi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, you do, even if you don't realize it. There will never come a day, no matter how old you are, that you will say to yourself, "Alright, I've lived enough, I'll go ahead and kill myself now". Nobody in recorded history has ever said that. The closest we have are people with depression or other mental issues who commit suicide, but they do it to end their suffering, not because they are contented.
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Ralath0n ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:40:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even so. The amount of people that choose to kill themselves because they're content with life must be a pitifully small percentage. The vast vast majority of humanity dies unwillingly, or to prevent further suffering.
Wizard-in--Black ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, no, I don't. The idea of existing for hundreds of years doesn't appeal. I'm not particularly optimistic about the future of humanity to tell the truth (I'm not a nihilist by any stretch of the imagination but overcrowding, environmental damage and various other factors don't make the distant future look too rosy to me) and I'm glad of the fact that I'll probably die of old age before shit really hits the fan. Also, I think people who want immortality desire it because they're afraid of dying. I'd rather not prematurely die but if my time is up, it's up. I'm not scared of dying so why would I go want to stop it from ever happening?
Gefarate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know... enjoy living? I wouldn't mind playing the 15th remaster of Ocarina of Time a few decades from now.
Timwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didnโt say it does. But the idea of dying right now doesnโt appeal either, even after having lived hundreds of years. You will always want to live another day if you can.
NeedANewAccountBro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work at a retail store and a lady I was speaking too had gone through a major surgery and was in her late 80's. She spoke of how she accepted death at this point. I still see her almost every Sunday night at 6:30
Timwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accepting an inevitable death is not the same as deliberately seeking out an unnecessary death. I think you know that.
Ten_bucks_best_offer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are/have been plenty of people who have come to the point of "I've lived long enough". You say nobody but I have heard it personally. I worked ten years in a hobby shop. The majority of the customer base was old guys who were into trains and planes. I have talked to many different people who were perfectly happy with their life but have gotten to the point of 'it's that time of day' and are/were perfectly content with it. They didn't just go out and end their life, they were just ready. It always became a thing of me saying "See you tomorrow" and them responding with something like "perhaps ;)". Eventually they would stop coming in and I would hear from someone they knew that they were gone. Some people just get over it when they get old. Maybe they've seen enough, made of themselves what they wanted, or just are ready to move on like the ones they cared about have.
How about this? Live for 4,000 years. Watch as the numerous people you grow attached to die over and over. Eventually it gets hard to deal with having to go through that again and again so you detach. Now you put yourself in solitary confinement. The idea of actively keeping yourself alone so you don't get hurt will eat at you. Constantly gnawing away at your insides. You long for the sensation to be a part of something but dread the idea of watching what you care about crumble. There will come a time when you decide enough is enough. I guarantee that.
Timwi ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thatโs being ready for an inevitable death you knew was coming, not voluntarily seeking out a completely unforced death. I think you can see the difference.
I think having things around you be transient is something you can get used to. I think going into solitary confinement (literally or metaphorically) is not something most people will do, for exactly the reasons you mentioned.
TacBandit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:40:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I think being immortal would be the worst.
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TacBandit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine just you living forever, that would be way worse and than just dying.
Ralath0n ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:38:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there's a cure for old age that's available to the average redditor, it'll also be available for his friends and family. So just you living forever alone wouldn't happen. Also, nobody is forcing you to stay alive, you can always jump off a cliff. No vaccine for turning your brain to chunky salsa.
Garviel_Loken95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, what are you gonna do when you get bored? Think you can entertain yourself for a few million years? What about when all the stars die out?
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Garviel_Loken95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like video games may get a bit repetitive after 2 or 3 billion years
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Garviel_Loken95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? I didn't say that's how long they take to make
SolaceoftheSky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you can't die doesn't mean you can't suffer.
greengrasser11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If all of your friends and family are immortal too, then it's much much better.
Unless we're talking about immortal in the sense of outlasting the heat death of the universe. Then sure you'd be floating around with your family and friends but it'd get awful boring.
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Pianoman1092 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're saying make buses illegal?
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Iwanttolink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It might be. Or the laws of physics put a hard stop on how sufficiently advanced technology can be in the first place.
Ten_bucks_best_offer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"No. I do not want to play 20 fucking questions again. Fucking hell, man. What is it with you people?! I'm outta here." makes an attempt to doggy paddle through space
superH3R01N3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think literal immortality is a good thing to strive for. I would be interested to see the isolation of what causes aging, and an effective slowing of the process.
Imo, the point of life (as a whole, not for an individual) is to procreate then die, that way a new and better us (ie that learned from the previous generation) takes over and does the same, and we evolve.
Kind of like how US presidents have limited terms, but sometimes we opt for a second term, I could get behind slowing aging, but not living forever. (Plus, if you think overpopulation is a problem now...)
Horaciow14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Hulkster is immortal
doubleflusher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scientists are fairly close on immortality. IIRC there was an article published in Popular Science a couple years ago that said basically that the human body can be cloned, but there's not enough storage or bandwidth to download and transfer all the brain activity. So scientists will have to wait until storage and bandwidth capabilities become much greater.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take everything they write in popular science with a grain of salt, it's definitely not the whole picture and is targeted towards the layman. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it means it isn't the most accurate portrayal of the situation
tigerstorms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can just call this the cure to old age
Murky_Macropod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll come as you're getting old - 70 years with aching joints. You'll live forever like that but every generation after will stop their development at 20-30 years in their prime.
WharfBlarg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is that stopping and reversing aging are part of the same theoretical medical process. So, the endgame goal is to make a 70 year old resemble a 35 year old.
mw1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality machine broke
WharfBlarg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understandable. Have a nice day
BarbarianMiguel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow this became a car thread lol.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest fear. Immortality discovered shortly after I die. I would be so fucking pissed. And dead ...
MrAlpha0mega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you from /r/writingprompts? /s
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frizzykid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you will never see it. Its not for you. If immortality was going to be a thing, it would either be heavily illegal, or saved for the .001%
GerbilJibberJabber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So....more, mortality?
Derfaust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah! This more than anything else! If i get immortality then ill be able to witness everything else on this thread.
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read that as the "invention of immorality". "But we already have that?"
sivrag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the Black Mirror retirement community plan.
battraman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch Galaxy Express 999 and you'll change your mind.
competitivebanter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be better if you didn't have to.
MrGestore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If that's still not possible in my lifetime, being able to upload the consciusness or transfer it to enchanced bodies sort of like Ghost in the Shell or in the style of the Nexus saga would be a pretty reasonable compromise.
falcoperegrinus82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removing death from the equation will do wonders for our already unsustainably large population size.
Mowmowmowmow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inmortality? Sounds unpossible.
Zmodem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure who else will agree with me, but I do not want to live forever. Life is about the experience, living its frailty, and then moving on and letting others have their time. I don't think life is meant to be lived forever, or else it wouldn't be so cherished or precious. People already take advantage of the minuscule time we have here, I couldn't imagine what selfish acts would result from immortality. Nothing good could come of humans being able to live forever.
Deadlines make things happen; they get much stimulated and accomplished for the greater good, no matter how large or small an impact on the world as a whole. Your mortal clock is the biggest deadline.
housebird350 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You wouldn't be able to afford it though....
jachjohnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moisturize me
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2045
Kraz_I ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Underrated comment.
Harb1ng3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck immortality, I want to see consciousness transfer. Like that 1 episode of black mirror, but we get a bunch of options.
Humblebee89 ยท 12263 points ยท Posted at 13:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Witness my gf actually making a decision on what to eat for dinner.
therealjerseytom ยท 2914 points ยท Posted at 13:40:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably get people on Mars before that
janga7 ยท 774 points ยท Posted at 14:28:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probs get his gf to mars first
Take_a_stan ยท 644 points ยท Posted at 14:35:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trying to find what to eat on Mars.
SarcasticGiraffes ยท 300 points ยท Posted at 15:23:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have a Mars bar.
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 219 points ยท Posted at 16:28:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They just call it a "bar" there.
yoguy2 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And weirdly, they preface every other chocolate bar with โEarthโ.
apennyfornonsense ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 16:33:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth milky way?
beatokko ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:21:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks just a bit different from Mars.
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's the freakiest show
Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
MetamorphicRock ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:44:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, we still call "American Cheese" the same name in the US
newenglandredshirt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: outside of the US, they call it "processed cheese." When I was in college, I was serving a bunch of Canadians at the cafe I worked at, and when they asked what kind of cheese was on the grilled cheese sandwich, I told them "American." They looked at me like I had grown a second head. Apparently it's just called "Processed Cheese" up there. Or at least it was ~15 years ago, anyway.
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you read the label here in Murrca, it says "processed cheese product".
That scares me a bit.
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North American or South American? :D
S0ul_Burger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:50:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm dying laughing at this whole comment train.
Colopty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's where he goes to drown the frustration of dealing with his girlfriend's indecisiveness.
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do they call french fries in France?
(Pomme frites - I know).
ComeOnSans ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate Mars bars
dumbtrader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where they drivin' spaceships instead of cars...
thr33beggars ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:27:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a Matt Damon documentary that said you can have all you can eat potatoes on Mars, as long as you have potato seeds and shit
jockegw ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like... Literal shit? For nutrients and water?
Or "shit" as in regular growing supplies?
esmo88 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human doodoo. You haven't seen that documentary, I presume?
jockegw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, no i have not! It was an honest question, although i admit, a wierd one..
Nesman64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All you can eat, for the rest of your life, give or take a few weeks.
fxlk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"i'll have the macaroni and blorp"
iancameron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2 weeks
Escritor_Boliviano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well at least we know it's taste in music: 30 Seconds to Mars
ghbforeveryone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, it's really red. Have you heard any good things about Jupiter?
PresidentBaileyb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Less options, maybe it'll help..... but probably not
Clear-Black ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How bout eating his gf?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try a Mars bar.
thenipooped ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Potatoes. That is all.
Yazbremski ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SWERVE!! HIS GIRLFRIEND IS FROM MARS AND WAS SENT HERE TO STUDY US! BEING INDECISIVE IS THEIR SPECIES WAY OF BASIC TESTING! WE'RE FAILING!!!
jeebus224 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probs get an actual gf first
darexinfinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
30 Seconds to Mars bruh
MrPokemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And give more options? This just makes things worse.
read-it-somewhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probs get his gf
toa Mars firstyurieu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought only boys are allowed on mars.
Devoliscious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There will be a lot less options, this might be the solution.
countfragington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To Space Applebee's.
t4kedwn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats 1/4 the way towards having sex on Mars
dontevenknow93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably eat his gf out on Mars first
1norcal415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can he get her to Mars when he can't even get her to orgasm?
_pakalolo_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youre assuming theyve decided on what planet they should go to tonight.
factoid_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe she'll eat a Mars bar. Split the difference.
sakiwebo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeez, and I thought a cure for baldness was setting the bar high
liberal_texan ยท 1366 points ยท Posted at 14:36:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my last relationship, my ex only knew where she wanted to go eat for dinner once in 4 years. When we got there she broke up with me.
JerrySaigon ยท 678 points ยท Posted at 14:58:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least she got over her indecision.
GhengopelALPHA ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 15:36:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Way to look at the bright side, Jerry."
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:38:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GhengopelALPHA ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
=D Wubba lubba dub dub!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:47:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
something something mulan mcnugget sauce
ninja edit: PICKLE RIIIIIIICK!
lasmergun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's how she knew she was ready
xjaaakex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I first read that as infection.
Sneezegoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read indigestion first.
RdmGuy64824 ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 15:03:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aww, man. That's hilarious, and sad.
PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:10:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I can just picture them in the car. She's making peace with her decision and he's sitting there with a smirk going, "Man, it's going to be a good night!"
[deleted] ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 15:08:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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liberal_texan ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 15:08:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, a great local place we hadn't tried yet.
Schenectadye ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:21:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in Austin?
liberal_texan ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dallas
Schenectadye ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:32:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol I just assumed bc of your handle you were in Austin. Besides the break up was the food good?
liberal_texan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:35:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't remember it tasting like anything. I should really go back and try it again.
Schenectadye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck yeah, PM the restaurant!
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:17:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You two should go try it together! Hang out, talk shit about women, drink a beer. Make it a bro-date. Oooops Im assuming both of your genders. How rude of me! ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
moosenaslon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:40:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if so, it'd be the chili's at 45th and lamar
JCPoly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly where my mind went too.
FroggyWatcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either that or some Red Lobster.
theassman95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty funny to read right now because I'm currently at the McDonald's up the block
PhilosopherJack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's rough, buddy
yournotright ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am sorry. But that has got to be the funniest thing I've read all week. Those two lines say so much about your ex, it's beautiful.
Cpzd87 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PRO TIP: always be the one to choose where to eat so she/he will never be able to brake up with you
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:09:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah brake ups are the worst.
James12052 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:51:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopped me dead in my tracks!
Regretful_Bastard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:46:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this a joke or it actually happened? Please, tell me it happened. Sorry.
liberal_texan ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a joke. She'd had abusive relationships in the past, and was afraid to break up with me in private - even though I have never been the least bit abusive towards her or anyone else.
Regretful_Bastard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, mate. That's tough. When she decided where you'd eat, did you already know what was going to happen?
liberal_texan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:15:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. We'd been having problems but I thought we were working through them. Unfortunately, her version of "working through them" was her doing whatever the fuck she wanted.
Snazzy_Serval ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hah, that's a sign to keep in mind.
James12052 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At what point in the meal? Did you have to sit through it after she delivered the news?
liberal_texan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:02:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before we had even ordered our first drink. I got to sit at the bar while my world crumbled around me, then try to act like everything was normal and eat dinner. I didn't make it.
James12052 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's beyond fucked up, man. I would have picked up and left. I'm sorry that happened to you and I truly hope things are better now.
liberal_texan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:31:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Things are much better now, thank you internet stranger!
OpinesOnThings ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, not okay. I had a similar thing on a gaming night that was a last hurrah with my uni friends. Found out she was cheating and then had to pretend I was human for the rest of the night. To be fair next day when they found out they all came round again and brought treats and alcohol.
brickmack ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh. Kinda your fault for being monogamous. Can't blame her for acting naturally
PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, I didn't even think about that part. I feel like you're getting a cab home either way, but what an awkward dinner if you do it early. That's like telling someone just after takeoff on an airplane.
CygnusRex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So your saying she didn't actually eat there then?
liberal_texan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, we ate.
mvw2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it waffles?
cheesymoonshadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was it Pomodoro?
RolandLovecraft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotta know where it was!
JohnnyFoxborough ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You cured her!
intensenerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I chose a book for reading
liberal_texan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish that had happened to me. The next month or so of us trying to ride out our lease together, sleeping in the same bed but getting rejected every time I tried to turn cuddling into sex did some serious damage to me.
Questioning_Mind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was because you ordered the works on a pizza, amirite?
Appetite4destruction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She was probably meeting your replacement there.
thewolfofstatestreet ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Thungergod ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:04:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prolly couldn't tolerate your liberal bullshit.
MagelansTrousrs ยท 849 points ยท Posted at 14:32:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife: I'll have whatever
Me: okay, I'll run out and get pizza
Wife: No, I don't want that....
Repeat ten more times
SusanTheBattleDoge ยท 634 points ยท Posted at 14:37:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me: "then what do you want?"
My wife: "anything is fine hun."
Me: bangs head on table
Aero222 ยท 219 points ยท Posted at 15:02:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's when you need a default food. For me it's pho. "I'm going to start driving to there, tell me what you want or we're getting that"
ardenthusiast ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 16:51:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have a rule where you can't just veto. If I suggest somewhere and my husband doesn't like it, he has to have an alternative suggestion. So if I suggest Mexican food, he'll veto and suggest Thai. If I veto, then I could suggest Mediterranean, etc. until we agree.
That makes it so it's not one sided and less frustrating.
But I like your idea. I imagine the panic setting in as you near the Pho restaurant and your SO yells out her choice moments before you turn into the parking lot. lol
Aero222 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:55:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's happened before, exactly how you described. I'm actually okay with my default pick all the time but if she has a stronger preference, she should voice it.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like we need something like that mojo upgrade website but for food.
iSo_Cold ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:44:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make the default terrible. Force a decision.
rhllor ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Olive Garden?
iSo_Cold ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:41:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, calm down there Satan.
timeforpeapods ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:22:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My default food is Chick-fil-a. Pick or we're having it again for the third time this week.
SvedishFish ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:57:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then what do you do on Sunday!?
timeforpeapods ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:17:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We starve.
brickmack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:14:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if they like Chick-fil-a?
Sneezegoo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:54:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then thats where they go. ?
dunksoverstarbucks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pho Real!
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can confirm. My husband does this...
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except he starts driving towards our favorite Sushi bar.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:23:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SusanTheBattleDoge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy god. No. Please, I don't want flashbacks.
nomiras ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:51:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's when you just make / purchase the food yourself. If they don't like it, so be it!
RiotSloth ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:45:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me: I'm getting a can of pop from the fridge, want one?
The missus: yeah. Well, no. Can I just have water?
Me: water. Ok.
The missus: the San Pellegrino in the fridge?
Me: right
The missus: make sure it's the sparkling one!
Me: pours away drink sigh
The missus: Oh, with ice. And a little slice of lime. I think there's a bag in the garage.
Me: aaaaaaaargh
Xxmustafa51 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it helps to list two or three places that you want, and then ask her to pick. I ask what she wants, she says idkkkkk, I say alright so between pizza and Chinese which do you want? And then she picks. It works really well most of the time.
Skingle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:08:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
every woman ever
hashfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:47:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude your name made me fucking laugh
SusanTheBattleDoge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:09:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:3 league of legends reference.
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm loving League. Started playing a few months back with the husband. I've gotten quite addicted. Don't think I'll ever catch up with him but I'm working on it. Ha.
SusanTheBattleDoge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I play with my girlfriend :) she's the one who got me into it. Feel free to add me if you want to play as a group or something! (My username is For Xayah)
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will do! Mine is the same as here :) (MonkeyLegs13)
racoon1969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:59:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's when you get her soylent.
redalastor ยท 184 points ยท Posted at 15:15:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll give you a great salesman's trick : Do not offer a choice you don't want to be picked.
Ask her if she would prefer X or Y. Not if she wants X because in a yes no question the no is an option.
Even though she could say neither, odds are she won't. Human psychology is weird like that.
BrunoTheMiner ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:43:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what if she says neither?
SteamedHams123 ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 15:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glass her
redalastor ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:58:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then you are no worse off than with the other path.
But I was taught those tricks as part of tech support training and I can attest it works very well.
tigerking615 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Well, I'm getting one of those unless you pick something else."
Wrathwilde ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:06:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want italian... or a black eye? Italian, excellent choice!
Fraerie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:17:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't always work for me, but I was told that for people who suffer from anxiety, offering them a short list with no more than 3 options makes it easier for them to state a preference. The argument I have with my husband is that if he really wants something not on the list - then tell me, but don't get passive aggressive about me not guessing what it was.
The flip side is if I really say I don't care and that I will find something I can eat where ever - then that's what I mean and you pick.
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:32:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm the same way with that. I'm literally the least picky person when it comes to eating in our whole family. I can find something I'll like absolutely no matter where he goes. So when he asks and I say "I really don't care, whatever you're in the mood for is fine" then he has learned by now that I really do mean that and he will usually just drive to one of our usual spots. I have occasional nights where I'm in the mood for something more specific and I usually voice that. But he still drives towards our go to place, and then usually stops somewhere else before we get there.
BosGrunniens ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:22:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly sounds like dealing with a toddler.
RcNorth ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:47:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup. You ask a kid if they want peas or carrots. Never ask them if they want vegetables.
SaavikSaid ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get women who do this. If I don't have a preference, but especially don't want pizza (which will never be a thing; I always want pizza), I will say so. Otherwise I really don't care.
MagelansTrousrs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"BUT WHY CAN'T YOU EVER MAKE A DECISION" - my wife
"because I always want pizza, that's my decision"
SemiproAtLife ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a revolutionary idea for you. Spend a lazy hour creating a page [using MS Publisher/Word/ any alternative] of the logos of every nearby restaurant and stock photos of everything you like to cook. Group them according to price or effort or distance or whatever you want. When she can't decide, hand it to her.
It starts off as a bad joke, but then you hand it to her the next time and it's laminated. Now it's a good joke. The third time you pull it out of a folder. Great joke. Beat it until it's so practical it literally can't be funny.
You are showing her literally every option on one simple sheet of paper (maybe hide the expensive ones on the back?).
If she's the type of woman to not get offended by it (for frankly no reason) it can easily help her decide what she wants instead of having a mental 1v1 comparison battle for 30 minutes every time. And the bonus is that you get to use it too. If she IS the type to get offended, you can say you got it from a travel website or from a reddit group or a buddy who made it for HIS wife. Now it REALLY seems practical.
SpeedracerV ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:52:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing about this is lazy
SemiproAtLife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Lazy hour" as in an a free-time hour. My bad. It's like happy hour but you usually watch Netflix instead of drink. Or maybe now you watch Netflix in addition to said drinking.
RockDrill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:28:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem with living in a big city is there are infinite options for her to not choose from. By the time I laminated the list one of the restaurants would have closed and three more opened.
SemiproAtLife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If she picks a place that was closed, you tell her you are going to one of the new places. If she liked it, change the list by spending 30 seconds on the file @ email it to her. If not, add one of the others. Repeat when next place closes. Try other new places for mundane special events only.
Cmon man you are supposed to be a problem SOLVER not CREATOR right? xd
atlaslugged ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open yelp on your phone. Filter by open now, and whatever else you want (at least 3 stars, not more than 3 dollar signs, within five miles). Hand your phone to her, say "pick one."
SemiproAtLife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems less fun and slightly more patronizing, though much easier
atlaslugged ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more patronizing her than trying to trick her by pretending it's a joke?
SemiproAtLife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well something about the delivery seemed callous but I never said anything about tricking her. It IS a joke. But it's also something that works, and is something that you carefully took the time to make for her. Jokes can be practical as well.
I remember my grandparents getting me an emergency toolkit as a present when I got my first car, joking that they knew I was going to crash or leave my lights on or something. I laughed at myself, and later on used it to help several friends, being thankful that they gave me the kit =P
Allons-ycupcake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My brother got my husband a 'ladies tool kit' for xmas as a joke. We use it all the time, and the bag is a nice grey and lavender color.
SemiproAtLife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should see the looks people give me when I pull out baby's first jumper cables. And then the look when their car starts a minute later. Thanks Nana. And lavender is probably one of your husband's best colors anyway.
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:39:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's a small-ish canvas tote like bag....then I believe we have the exact same tool kit. My husband has a garage full of manly tools but almost always goes for little purple and grey bag more often than not for simple stuff. Haha.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She wants a man for dinner. A man handles the dinner
LittlePetiteGirl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:54:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like the next step in evolution for that. I ask my boyfriend to list places to eat and we'll figure out what I want when I stop saying no to things. It's not much of a step, but at least I've achieved self awareness.
MagelansTrousrs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We usually have one of us narrow it down to two or three and the other picks
anotherkeebler ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We adopted a household rule that you couldn't veto a food choice without offering an alternative. It's not a perfect system, but it's better better to say "screw it, we'll just get chinese again" than getting a half-hour hungrier and a half-hour angrier at each other.
MagelansTrousrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need to add this
JasonsThoughts ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why you don't tell them what you're going to go out and get.
Cubeeyy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to suggest something other than pizza on the next 10 tries, that's where you're going wrong
ardenthusiast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have a rule where you can't just veto. If I suggest somewhere and my husband doesn't like it, he has to have an alternative suggestion. So if I suggest Mexican food, he'll veto and suggest Thai. If I veto, then I could suggest Mediterranean, etc. until we agree.
That makes it so it's not one sided and less frustrating.
bluew200 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trick is to not give her enough time to complain. Just tell her she ran out of time and decide for her.
Meelpa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try that one.
MagelansTrousrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol, I like it
this_guy_here_says ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pizza?
No
Pizza?
No
Pizza?
No
Pizza?
No
Pizza?
No
Pizza?
No
Pizza?
No
Pizza?
No
Pizza?
No
Pizza?
Yes?
ferociousrickjames ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's when I get a pizza, have some if you want, but if not you're on your own.
CodeBlue15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why did you keep suggesting pizza?
Spinnlo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yesterday, my girlfriend gave me a list of stuff she doesn't want to eat at all. It contains 47 different items.
dEnamed2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered how successful a restaurant chain called "don't care" would be. Each item on the menu would be: "Don't know", Whatever", "You decide", "not that".
You could have semi funny commercials anyone can relate to. No one needs to know the menu from memory either. No more double flipped cheese burger sewer alps special with pisskaas, just "uh, whatever, I guess?" and bam, there's your menu.
larrythetomato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She wants you to go "I'm getting pizza, do you want anything?"
"I don't want pizza."
"that is fine, I'm still getting pizza. See you in a bit."
Ndemco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hilarious how universal this is with women in every relationship.
Greyfeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's when you say, "You have 10 minutes to decide on something. If you can't come up with anything, I'm getting pizza."
Or alternately, "Then it's a good thing I'm only getting pizza for myself. You can find something else in the fridge when you decide what you want."
MagelansTrousrs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:29:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that that second one would work with any woman ever lol
Greyfeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends on your idea of "work." The point is to get her to stop waffling. (Mmm... waffles...) If you refuse to enable the behavior, she'll stop exhibiting it.
Or she'll throw an unholy bitchfit. But one would hope that you'd know beforehand if you're dating the sort of woman who would react this way.
jaytaicho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Say what you mean and mean what you say!
newbfella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cook for her. It will make for good 2-3 weeks of lovely relationship
MagelansTrousrs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do cook almost every night
Gabriel_NDG ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:28:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine got smart with it - whenever I ask her to choose she just says "sushi.". If I say no, I'm the one who needs to come up with something and since she would eat sushi every day, I can't win.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:54:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Play the long game and wait for mercury poisoning.
zanzertem ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:43:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure our SO's are in kahoots.
audigex ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:53:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kahoots would be a great name for a bar
PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:14:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Googled it just because I was curious. Apparently there is a Kahoots Gentleman's Club in Columbus, OH.
So there you go!
mens_libertina ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No we're not.
RdmGuy64824 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
<3
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bdaniel44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so he never gets to eat anywhere "unhealthy"?
HBStone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would eat sushi every time we go out, but my SO doesn't like fish so I never suggest it. (I love you Ali <3 )
Gabriel_NDG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should try to find a Japanese restaurant that serves sushi and other type of Japanese cuisine. It's what we do since I'm not a big fan of sushi.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sushi must not be expensive where you live
HBStone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:00:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You overestimate how often I go out
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you said you have a gf...
HBStone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I said "SO" not "gf". I have a boyfriend.
Also, why does that matter?
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Eating sushi every day is not a win?
Gabriel_NDG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't order in or go out every day, and I'm not the biggest sushi fan.
NotFallingInTheTrap ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I literally just read this right after I asked her what she wants to eat today. And she just texted me ''I don't know, you decide''.
T0mmyb6 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:15:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright there have been some crazy comments, but this one takes the cake.
BugSauce ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:36:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mmmm cake
TeamJim ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:45:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I don't think I want cake.
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:49:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smh. How about pie instead then?
spikey_mikey_86 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:22:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heard recently of the 5-3-1 method. You list off 5 options, she chooses 3 of those, then you choose the 1 and that's what you have.
PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like a great plan until you explain it to your wife/girlfriend and she says, "I'm serious, just pick. I don't care."
Then you pick. Then she says, "Anything but that." And so on.
matwick ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something I saw on Reddit that has been an absolute godsend. Pick three places and tell her to pick two, then you decide which one of them you get. It streamlined a major source of annoyance.
Someone also mentioned 5-3-1 which gives her more decisions. I also have trouble coming up with 5 places to eat that aren't similar.
Bar1.
Bar2.
Tacos.
Sushi.
Pizza.
TeamJim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:48:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Any is fine, I don't care."
"Okay we'll go to zaxbys."
"No I don't want that."
"Okay then where do you want to go?"
"I don't care, wherever you pick."
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"zaxbys it is"
BlueberrySpaceMuffin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:41:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone will fuck a coconut first without something going horribly awry first.
Clob ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:11:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I just starting making what I want for dinner and I make her a plate. Either she eats it, or I have lunch tomorrow. Her choice.
ds9anderon ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:53:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since every guy on earth seems to have a problem with this I can only assume there is a secret women's society dedicated to being indeciseive on dinner.
Galadriel26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My male friend had this problem with me this summer when we went out for food. I didn't want to disappoint him by choosing something crappy. His solution: shout "Have an OPINIOOOOON!"
:D Then we laughed and I chose something. It turned out to be crappy...
surrounded_by_ghosts ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a lady. I don't like choosing because I worry about disappointing the other person with my choice. It causes a lot of anxiety.
PhanTom74 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:59:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's more disappointing when you don't have a choice.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
or when you do have a preference and then you pretend blind
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:34:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Provide this plan to your guy. Problem solved. :)
Ask her what she wants. Assuming she doesn't know, proceed to step 2.
Ask her to get in the car so you guys can go out to eat. Ask again what she wants. Assuming she doesn't know, proceed to step 3.
Give two options. Assuming she doesn't choose, proceed to step 4.
Choose one and drive there, Let her know on the way that you will change to whatever she prefers. Assuming she doesn't choose before you park, proceed to step 5.
Go inside and order. Enjoy. Assuming she didn't join you inside and eat, proceed to step 6.
Take her home/her place. Offer to accompany her to her preferred dining option should she choose something before you get there.
surrounded_by_ghosts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What guy?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I assumed your SO was male. If you are in a same sex relationship I assumed you could figure out how to translate those directions to apply to your current SO.
Are you seriously unable to work out that I was referring to your partner? The world must be very mysterious to you if so.
EDIT: Just pick whichever best applies http://imgur.com/r/ConfusedTravolta
surrounded_by_ghosts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no partner.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:07:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bless your heart. My apologies, I didn't fully grasp the situation.
When you said "disappointing the other person" I had assumed that you were in a straight relationship or that you could adapt what I had said to your current situation whatever it might be.
In this case, you were responding to a discussion about people in relationships, and had referred to yourself and someone else in your reply.
Communication relies on many, many assumptions, and in this case I made a reasonable assumption that you were in a relationship.
I had also been vaguely aware that your relationship status may not be what I thought it was. So I trusted that you could read what was written and apply it to yourself to whatever degree it fit.
Someone familiar with some of the difficulties you face may be able to explain it in a way that is clear to you.
strangled_steps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is such a subtle dig I love it.
MonkeyLegs13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:56:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the most brilliant passive aggressive responses I've ever had the pleasure of reading. Thank you! Made my night!
PennyPriddy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently women get less and less decisive about group decisions like this as we age and society conditions us to put our wants and needs after others.
Like, if you ask a kid what they want to eat, they answer directly, regardless of gender. As they get older, it becomes "I want this, what do you want", then finally "I don't know, what do you want?" because we know we shouldn't suggest the "wrong" thing.
It happens to guys in groups too (it's how groups end up going to a place no one wants to go because it sounded like the most inoffensive idea), but it's worse for women.
surrounded_by_ghosts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely!!
RevokedLicense ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Darrell... I named SEVEN more restaurants...
LochnessDigital ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to go to Taylor's, tell a brother you want to go to Taylor's!
Puckhead88 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife will spend 20 minutes looking at the same menu from the same place we've been ordering from for 10 years.
Sounds funny, but in reality there are times in those moments I'd like stick a fork in her eye.
pepcorn ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:31:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm like this ๐ I'm always thinking "hmmm, do I want something different this time..? ooh, maybe this one.. ugh no actually, i think i had this once before at this place, and it wasn't that great. wait, was it this place though..? maybe I'm thinking of that other place. shit, should i risk it or not? i really want something different though. maybe i should go with the safe choice after all.. wait, should i???" repeat ad nauseum
Puckhead88 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:03:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup that's her. She treats every meal like it's her last.
pepcorn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:23:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
if she was my wife we'd both probably starve bc we'd feed into each other's indecisive loop and never arrive to any kind of decision. she's lucky she married you ๐ฏ
sesharine ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I looked her straight in the eyeballs and said.. looks around I said biiiiitcchh
eleanor61 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my girlfriend and me but substitute Netflix for dinner. I'm rarely indecisive when it comes to food, come on.
the_drunken_cook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:54:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My fiance is the same way. I put the same shit on Netflix all the time, because I'm only half watching/listening while I dick around on reddit. But without fail he tosses the remote to me and says "pick something". I've come to figure out the way to get him to pick for himself is to say "I'll just put on (show name) again." after we've binge watched it for weeks. I don't get tired of cartoons, even after I've seen them a million times. For him, the repetition gets on his nerves. So it's pick something out yourself or be annoyed by my choice.
eleanor61 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes, my gf and I give each other three choices in movies, and I typically moan about that, but at least it narrows it down a bit.
We call it "Babe's Choice"
snoblitz ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad news for you, bro. Been married 17 years and it doesn't get any better.
beatokko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:25:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just get something and look like you're enjoying it. Whenever I ask my wife if she'd like a soda, she says no. I buy one for myself and she instantly asks "can I have some of that?".
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME
jmdavis333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Next thing you're gonna ask for world peace or something!
MyFingerPointeth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to ask "what do you not want for dinner".
Tartalacame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone already planned it out:
Whatever Restaurant
potatocat69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't get ahead of yourself mate.
Drip43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh she knows what she wants to eat, she just wants you to suggest it.
spork-a-dork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"WHAT. DO. YOU. WANT. ???!!!!"
PeteTheGeek196 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are ways to help people who are indecisive when confronted with too many choices. Source: I am a high school teacher.
RoxyBuckets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of myexes has sort of reconditioned me on this. He said that if I said no I have to make a suggestion. And if I didn't, we go where he wanted. It worked really well. I still go by that rule.
poexone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You too huh? This shit made me chuckle.
DaReaper95 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We said human achievement and this guy's over here throwing out Deus Ex Machina's. C'mon man, this is a serious thread.
edgebinary ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Just a bite of yours"
Solheimx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright so get one of those kid toys with the farm animals on it, cow goes moo, pig goes oink, etc etc. Now print out some of your favorite restaurants and glue over those animals. Spin it, cow goes moo becomes favorite burger joint. Chicken clucking? Boom chicken wings.
Awfy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fixed this a long time ago. If I ask what she wants to eat and gives me a whatever, I'll tell her what I want. If she says no to that I give her 5 mins to think of one thing she'd want instead and if she hasn't decided I go and get what I initially said. Simple, no time wasting, no arguments.
I've extended the same thing to any group activity too. When the group is uh-ing and hm-ing about what to do next I will just make a decision for them and 9/10 times they all just do it.
Essentially, if someone takes charge of the situation things go a lot smoother. Expecting someone else to take charge is the number one mistake.
ThisPlaceisHell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a bingo.
Jentleman2g ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably colonize Alpha Centari before that
BZLuck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:57:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man walking along a California beach was deep in prayer. Suddenly, the sky clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, the Lord said, "Because you have TRIED to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish."
The man said, "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can drive over anytime I want." The Lord said, "Your request is very materialistic. Think of the enormous challenges for that kind of undertaking. The supports to the bottom of the Pacific! The concrete and steel it would take! It will nearly exhaust every natural resource I have made. I can do it, but it is hard for me to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think of something that would honor and glorify me."
The man thought about it for a long time. Finally he said, "Lord, I wish that I could understand my wife. I want to know how she feels inside, what she's thinking when she gives me the silent treatment, why she cries, what she means when she says nothing's wrong, and how I can make a woman truly happy."
The Lord replied, "You want two lanes or four on that bridge?"
Workervaca ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of all the ideas suggested, this is the one that will never happen.
poststuffnow ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true dreamer.
audigex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aight calm down, this is meant to be a realistic thread
sleepytime03 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:18:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI will fail once it tries to understand a woman and their thought process. Skynet will never take over because computers will never be that strong.
Omvega ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:34:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because you've never had a meaningful communication with a woman in your lifetime doesn't mean they're incomprehensible beings.
sleepytime03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:54:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I saw this so late, I have had many fantastic conversations with my wife, and daughter, but do not mistake that for me grasping the cosmic mystery that is a woman's mind. And I hope I never do understand it. It is the mystery that keeps me so engaged and entertained.
GirIsKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We ALL wish our SO would make that decision
pinthepartyonthednky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
David?
OPs_other_username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's simple, she wants whatever is on your plate, even though you ordered exactly the amount of food that you wanted to eat and if you wanted to have some of what she had you would have ordered it yourself. Every single time Shannon.
RedBombX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just brought my ex to the same steak house when she couldn't make a decision. She caught on after a few times and now actually decides every once in a while.
astymin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Witness my gf actually making a dinner.
shewhogazesatstars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok so question, does it bother y'all if we say we don't care and then genuinely don't care? Because that's how I am but if that's just as irritating then I'll actually decide.
Awfy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you truly don't care then tell them to pick somewhere and you'll go, don't end with "I don't care". In fact play it off as more of a "I kinda wanna go wherever you want tonight".
MadafakerJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP u ded?
snarksneeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an asshole. Let's be clear on that. Because after you finish reading this reply the next phrase that comes to you will be, "Wow, what an asshole!"
From time to time my wife will ask that we eat out instead of cooking at home. I always agree because I think she works too hard as it is. And so I try and pick a place we can both enjoy. I know, I know, you're asking why this makes me an asshole, and that doesn't. It's what happens next...
Me: "Okay, let's go eat at the Grand Buffet, our favorite Chinese restaurant."
Her: "No, I'm not in the mood for Chinese."
Me: "Hrmm, okay. How about Don Juan? I really like their fajitas."
Her: "No Mexican food. It gives me heartburn."
Me: "Okay. I'll drive us to Burger King. If you think of some place you'd rather go, speak up before we get in line."
It always works. We usually end up at the Grand Buffet, but sometimes we eat at BK. When she tries to make me pick another spot I stick to my guns and stubbornly drive to BK.
nitori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:30:22 on August 18, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck you're an asshole
I'm borrowing this
ProjectKurtz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figured out the code though.
"I don't know" means "I don't know what to tell you because I want five different things from five different places and I know you'll look at me like I'm crazy if I tell you I want a burger from A, fries from B, a quesadilla from C, chicken wings from D and nachos from E."
There's still no solution, but that's what it means.
SketchyFella_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LPT:
When you ask, give her three specific options. If she can choose between any of them, it's a win. If not, you have a decent chance of learning that she's just a cunt who wants to fight and you should break up with her.
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do what i do, i ask her where she wants to go and when she goes um... i tell her time ran out and decide for her.
eightydollarsocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
C'mon man, be reasonable
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Follow these steps and you will never have to deal with that again.
Ask her what she wants. Assuming she doesn't know, proceed to step 2.
Ask her to get in the car so you guys can go out to eat. Ask again what she wants. Assuming she doesn't know, proceed to step 3.
Give two options. Assuming she doesn't choose, proceed to step 4.
Choose one and drive there, Let her know on the way that you will change to whatever she prefers. Assuming she doesn't choose before you park, proceed to step 5.
Go inside and order. Enjoy. Assuming she didn't join you inside and eat, proceed to step 6.
Take her home/her place. Offer to accompany her to her preferred dining option should she choose something. Assuming she doesn't choose, proceed to step 7.
Repeat 1-6 for the next three meals together. If she never chooses proceed to step 8.
Since you no longer have a girlfriend, eat wherever you want.
anitabelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is easy. I'm a woman so I can give you some insight. Just tell her that you're grabbing [insert a place she hates here] for dinner then she'll say no, I want [insert actual dinner choice here]. That works 40% of the time with me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get the "What's for Dinner" app. You put in a list of n-number items and spin the wheel. What it lands on is decree. Don't like it? Should have picked something
Keto_Kidney_Stoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Step 1. Write all the places you both can tolerate on a piece of paper. Cut them all out, fold them, stick them in a hat.
Step 2. Pull out one of the names from the hat! And Voila!
Step 3. Toss the piece of paper, draw another. Then!
Step 4. Toss out this piece of paper, draw another.
Repeat until you realize that this idea didn't actually help at all, it just added extra steps and made everything more complicated.
Paraxic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solution suggest stuff, most of us honestly don't care and talking about possibilities actually allows us to think about it if its something we're good with we dont care if we don't want it we will tell you that! -- "what do you want for supper"(you) "I don't care"(this person)
AtheistComic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do the five-three game! One of you pick five restaurants, the other pick three of the five. The first person picks one of the three remaining. Nobody can complain and you can take turns being the five. My gf can't say shit to me anymore about where we ate!
Also works for at home meals!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you can ask a woman on death row what she wants to eat and she will say "I dunno, what do you feel like?"
M_Bipson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'll have better luck with the lotto.
freakwent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seen weird Al's drive through song yet?
Reddits_Worst_Night ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine did this yesterday. It was the best birthday present ever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:52:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep it reasonable.
ezekiellake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She can't tell you what she wants, but if suggest something she can't tell you what she doesn't want ...
booksblanketsandtea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm guilty of this myself, if I'm hungry but don't feel like anything in particular. It sounds dumb, but offer two options for her to choose between. "Hey, I feel like either pizza or Indian, what would you prefer?" Then she can choose one of those or, if she actually already had something in mind, she'll suggest that instead.
Switters410 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you have to feed your hand???
ManEatingGnomes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 4 will happen before that
wakefield4011 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I saw it on a LPT, but I really like the 5-2-1 trick. One of you picks five restaurants, the other picks two of them, the first person chooses between the remaining two.
SueZbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suggest y'all alternate -- put the requirement on each of you equally.
onfire9123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or make a decision in general.
Wtkeith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just start bringing the same thing home to eat for dinner everyday.
odins_left_eye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When she can't make up her mind, ask her if there's anything in particular she doesn't want. It helps.
...sometimes.
Shryxer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:17:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, this is my inner monologue before every meal:
Stomach: FEED ME
Brain: Okay what do you want to eat?
Stomach: IDK
Brain: Do you want [Option A]?
Stomach: NO
Brain: [Option B]?
Stomach: NO
Brain: [Option C]?
Stomach: NO
Brain: tf do you want then?
Stomach: IDK
Brain: ...
Stomach: FEED ME
Brain: (โฏยฐโกยฐ๏ผโฏ๏ธต โปโโป
Look familiar? Unfortunately for me, I can't break up with my stomach. :(
ravishedHIPPO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's a bit of a stretch man
MotherOfCatses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Least likely to happen on this entire thread.
Qlinkenstein ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to use the statement: "Women got the right to vote in this country in 1920, now use it or lose it."
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 24313 points ยท Posted at 11:00:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First manned mission to Mars.
Pathfinderer ยท 2123 points ยท Posted at 13:00:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An offworld colony!
[deleted] ยท 1396 points ยท Posted at 14:14:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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purpletraitor69 ยท 1053 points ยท Posted at 14:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dying part is easy at least
Jjjla ยท 369 points ยท Posted at 15:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I'd like to die on Mars. Just not on impact." - Elon Musk
justmuted ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Occupy Mars!
TheOneWhoSendsLetter ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:38:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Got you covered" - Mars One
AirRaidJade ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 00:38:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, except that Mars One is a giant scam.
Mikekit9 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought that Mars One went bankrupt.
Colopty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:27:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Calling it, one of those AIs he's so worried about will read that quote and murder him once he lands there.
Ferelar ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not easy for everyone.
The Hound: "... You're shit at dying."
ERRORMONSTER ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:12:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet nobody has done it before...
As far as I'm aware, nobody has died outside of earth's orbit.
stellarbeing ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lifegoals
Lambaline ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody has gone outside of earth's sphere of influence
tjsaccio ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:13:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I was gonna say, how long does the "live" part have to be?
mystriddlery ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:03:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Growing up though is another story, zero g isnt great for building a strong body, and skeletal growth will be all out of wack (unless we actually make something with artifical gravity to counter that).
montysgreyhorse ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:09:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I've sent many kerbals to there death forever spiraling through space. Since I can't just land on the freaking mun
purpletraitor69 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that feel :(
RIP Jebediah
wooghee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah we got that covered... giving birth though could be kinda stressful in zero G
smtpsucks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah just give me a bunch of rocket fuel and something vaguely rocket shaped, I can make the dying in space feasible.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the spirit?
agtmadcat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we're halfway there!
pyroSeven ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:40:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're Matt Damon.
purpletraitor69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:01:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big if true
androgenoide ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 14:50:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The O'Neil study proposed building a city in space for $500 billion but that was too much. A decade later they had to come up with that same amount of money to bail out the S&Ls and that was OK for some reason. My opinion is that the city in space would have paid a higher dividend than bankrolling a bunch of guys who weren't very good at playing capitalist.
Espequair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does this include money devaluation?
androgenoide ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:41:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No but, as I recall, it was only a decade later. Granted, the O'Neil study cut a few corners such as using the tanks that the space shuttle jettisoned as reaction mass for a solar powered mass driver that would deliver supplies to the factory on the moon. The factory on the moon was to fabricate the parts for the city and deliver them to the L5 point using a mass driver. I can imagine a dozen possible failure points in the plan but I also believe that the payoff for having a city of 10,000 people in a permanent settlement would be huge. Just my opinion, of course.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:07:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no reason we would have a lunar colony. It was proposed in 1989 and shot down in US Congress. It would be extremely expensive and unreasonable to have it there.
A colony on Mars is different. There's an atmosphere, some gravity, chemicals we could convert into air and water. We could grow limited crops. Also, Mars would be a great commerce point to anywhere else in our Solar System because of its low gravity! It'd be way less expensive to have something leave Mars than it would Earth.
This is my thing! I'm going to school to be a physician on the Orion missions to Mars. My dream at least!
Fionnlagh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a few projects talking about going to the moon for resources. Bezos wants to build a base there.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
Fionnlagh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Valuable metals, possibly helium 3, asteroid mining... Who knows exactly.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think mining on the moon is a good idea? If we mess that up, it could destroy life on Earth but messing with the tides alone! Mining on the moon sounds like BIG trouble.
Buxton_Water ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:34:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd never mine out enough that it could effect the tides, mostly because the majority of the moon is just rock.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that's what people used to say about CO2 emissions. In a few hundred thousand years that might be a different story.
Buxton_Water ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but energy generation and mining rock and regolith are completely different things. If we ever mine out that much, we'd have the technology to direct an asteroid to the moon to replace the lost mass.
Fionnlagh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not Jeff Bezos, as much as I'd like to be. I have no idea. It's his plan. Though the likelihood of permanent damage to the moon from mining is slim. Now, if we tried building a hypergate then we might cause problems...
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can easily see something happening from fracking on the moon, or deep drilling.
That movie the Time Machine with Guy Pearce was about this even.
Fionnlagh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We probably won't drill; most of the valuable stuff comes from asteroid impacts.
290077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The tides are caused by gravity. No matter how much we mine, we won't even make a dent in the moon's mass, so the tides would be unaffected.
northmathdotcom ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:04:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine being born in zero gravity, and then having to go to some gravity swamped planet later in life. What a let down.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Might I interest you in The Expanse series of novels? There are six now with three more to come, and they deal with that exact thing happening.
Malky_10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I want to die on Mars. Hopefully just not on the impact."
ImpliedQuotient ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really see an orbital colony taking off any time soon. Really the only advantage to living in orbit would be the view; while magnificent, it's not enough of a reason to offset the cost and risk. Perhaps once a space elevator becomes operational to reduce building and transport costs, then maybe we'll see living in space become a real option.
Thegeobeard ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mining / resource gathering operation would be the most likely reason we'd see an off world colony. As you say, it's expensive and there needs to be a monetary incentive to go do it.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if there's too much dumbassery on earth, you always have a place to run. That would be the benefit for most.
ImpliedQuotient ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Assuming the dumbassery is caused by humans, how do you solve the problem of humans also being part of your colony?
thedaileyshow1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hire Red Forman as a gatekeeper to keep the dumbasses out?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simple.
Robots only.
PerduraboFrater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is so much of new industry and technology in low an 0 gravity that it could be very profitable. Only thing prohibitive is cost of launching first mining and construction fabricating facility.
EightsOfClubs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What, LEO doesn't count though?
thefirephoenix544 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA doesn't want to deal with the morals of sex, let alone children, in space right now.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who said anything about NASA?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it makes me sad I was born this early. I'll never be able to explore the stars like that
OldManChino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it would be so rad to be the only human skeleton on another celestial body
Tyrann0saurus_Rex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty easy to do the dying part... Living, on the other hand...
kidicarus89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Mars colony needs to be named Utopia Planitia.
ProtectorOfTR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What would they do with the bodies? If you bury them they could contaminate the soil, burning them is not possible without oxygen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mushroom suits.
It's how I want to go, anyway.
ChewyHD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sevastopol it is!
BlastCapSoldier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:05 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like you just wanna see a good ol' space murder
redditvlli ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:43:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A chance to begin again!
DonLaFontainesGhost ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A NEW WORLD AWAITS!!!
HipPocket ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A chance to begin again, in a golden land of opportunity!
Eightfold876 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:32:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get your ass to MARS!
sloppitits ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An off world colonoscopy!
Tullyswimmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete with a trading company! You could call it "Offworld Trading Company"
Gingivitis_Khan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to eventually see a self-sustaining, self-governing off-world civilization. If we as a species were no longer dependent on this one planet, that would be huge to me.
BlackFenrir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if the first colony is named after Curiosity.
MasteringTheFlames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd at least like a colony outside of the Earth system, but not necessarily on Mars. There are so many other awesome places just in our solar system, like the moons of Jupiter and Saturn (Titan or Europa might be a hell of a lot better than Mars for interplanetary travel. Or even building a cloud city in Venus's upper atmosphere). We really ought to send more probes out there first, instead of putting all our eggs in the Mars basket
El-Diablo-Robotico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars isn't the kind of place to raise your kids.
SueZbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Newt Gingrich will want to be mayor.
zajun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really hope that humanity fixes our problems on Earth before we start colonizing offworld. Otherwise we're just going to spread like a disease throughout the galaxy, draining planets of resources and trashing them and then moving on to the next
TheXskull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:23:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We might not have enough time here to fix all the problems we've created.
If we go extinct everything that happened to the human race in the past tens of thousands of years would be for nothing.
I would much rather having a chance for redemption than an abrupt ending.
Semlohwerd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was in high school I was a mess. Room was always disorganized and junk everywhere. However, when I went to college I really couldn't take everything with me - just essentials.
I had a lot less space to work with and less junk to fill that space, so it just naturally wasn't as cluttered.
When we go to Mars we won't have the baggage of 7 billion citizens in need of infrastructure, and thousands of years of mess that we've been building on top of. Hopefully we will take what we need, and that's it.
In the same way that planned cities are more organized and efficient than cities that grew over time - I think Mars has a chance to show us a clean slate for our new knowledge to build on.
The Mars colony will be new. Whether or not we can solve Earths problems by then won't matter, which is good because we can't. We've made a mess so big it would take another 1000 years to clean up.
Maybe one day we will, but for now we need to expand and be more responsible everywhere we land.
zajun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:30:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you. The part that I'm arguing is like you said, we need to be more responsible when we land.
I didn't mean to say make humanity a utopia before we move on, but I think laws and regulations and such need to be in place before moving to other planets. I don't want the solar system to fall victim to the tragedy of the commons, and I think the current attitude towards the environment is despicable and worry that even if regulations were introduced they wouldn't be enough to keep new planets and colonies sustainable.
I don't want humanity to destroy the potential for colonies in the future because of short-sightedness. If we rushed to other planets in a panic it would be much more difficult to fix issues than it would be to plan ahead and hopefully prevent as many as possible.
Either way, getting to new planets is the next big step for humanity. I just hope it will be done in a way that is long term sustainable.
Semlohwerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if we created laws for colonization - how would we enforce them?
zajun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. These are all things we need to figure out as a global society
PerduraboFrater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit we don't have time to fix problems on earth if we don't go into space in this century we are dead as species. Resources will end soon, global warming or next asteroid will finish us off. Now or never.
290077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Disease" implies that we're causing a negative effect on it. What negative effect will we be causing, exactly?
Nobody else is using them right now, and nobody else probably ever will use them.
Why would humanity "trashing" an empty planet devoid of life be a bad thing? It's absolutely not comparable to, say, trashing a nature preserve here on Earth.
zajun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I say trashing I mean taking everything of use and abandoning the planet in a state that's unusable. You say nobody else will ever use that planet, which if we take off everything of use that's true. I think we should focus on responsibly harvesting new planets to leave the possibility to colonize them. Humanity is going to continue to expand and grow and I don't think it's wise to burn bridges.
COIVIEDY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love this, but it doesnโt seem super realistic (as of right now). Iโm no expert at this, but I do know that the ISS is estimated at about 160 billion USD, making it the single most expensive man made object in history. Putting things in space is crazy expensive. โToday, it costs $10,000 to put a pound of payload in Earth orbit. NASA's goal is to reduce the cost of getting to space to hundreds of dollars per pound within 25 years and tens of dollars per pound within 40 years.โ quoted from here. If things go the way NASA hopes, then that would be awesome and cost efficient, but right now itโs pretty damn expensive.
Building a colony on Mars, Venus, or even just the moon would require huge amounts of money, and right now space agencies cough, NASA, cough, are pretty underfunded. A quick google shows that NASAโs annual budget is 18.5 billion USD, or 0.5% of the US governments 3.4 trillion every year. If we manage to get a man on Mars, then itโs possible the public would be more interested in space, and then NASA could get some more money. Otherwise, the only way I could see it happening is if NASA dedicates most of its budget to the colony and slowly build it over many years. Although, it could be used while being built like the ISS. They could have people living on it while more parts of it are sent to Mars.
I apologize for making you read this disorganized piece of crap full of uneducated assumptions; I just thought Iโd share.
baftap ยท 336 points ยท Posted at 13:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is amazing to think that within my lifetime, or maybe my children's lifetime, there could be a colony on Mars. The first Martian could be born. It's crazy.
Doeselbbin ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first Martian*
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PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:08:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We do?
For all we know, Martian humans were really excited about the first Earthling.
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PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:04:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I'm way out of my depth here so I'll admit that freely, but in a world where we are discussing whether or not we all live in a computer simulation...I don't know, I'm leaving open some Star Trek/Mass Effect scenarios that would blow our minds but are highly unlikely or even contradicted by currently known scientific evidence.
Doeselbbin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No we don't ...?
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NoodleFlavored ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:50:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You keep saying that, but can you put any evidence behind your words?
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NoodleFlavored ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:37:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude. Chill your pill, nobody here is claiming that humans lived on Mars, that's ridiculous, and nobody in their right mind would believe that. The only reason I'm responding to you is because the people on this thread (a thread that was CREATED for speculation) are speculating, and you are shutting them down like they're not allowed to have fun or dream outside the box. Everyone here agrees with you, of course humans didn't live on Mars, but you miss the beauty and the fun of a "what if" scenario
xommander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the humans that were abducted and taken to mars???
How can you forget about them, you man / girl / martian pretending to be human
matwick ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:39:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Tell me about yourself." "Well, I was born on Mars..."
SmellyMcSmelly ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:30:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine the kid being the first person born on mars, and he becomes almost a celebrity back on earth since he is like the first true human "Martian".
slukenz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should read "Stranger in a Strange Land"
xRom3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'First' NOW LISTEN HERE...
spectrumero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right now the crazy thing is that the first real flying saucer came from Earth and landed on Mars, not the other way around...
airelivre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gestation would probably go really badly wrong in gravity signficantly different to Earth's. I don't think anything outside of 0.8-1.2g would allow for a full-term pregnancy. But here's hoping I guess.
RedSnowBird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:43:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could see us landing on Mars. I doubt a colony would happen. The Moon is a lot closer and easier and look how many decades have passed since we visited it with even a manned mission.
Of course living on Mars would be more appealing than the Moon for most.
the-real-apelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate change should hurry things along, or doom it to failure. One or t'other.
[deleted] ยท -38 points ยท Posted at 13:49:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kooooomar ยท 66 points ยท Posted at 14:22:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always have the biggest problem with responses like this in regard to the future and space.
Not being able to do something right NOW does not mean it's a pipe dream.
That thing you think is a dream? People's careers are made my trying to solve it. Same is true for all "impossible" feats.
It's closed minded thinking, and you project it onto others when you act arrogant about it.
Space research has always been resisted by close minded people. Luckily, technology has always shut them up, even if it takes hundreds of thousands of years.
[deleted] ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 15:43:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially because there are people still alive today who thought leaving earths atmosphere, reaching the moon, and any type of space travel was a "pipe dream."
Humans don't realize how fast modern technology is progressing.
Sputnik was in 1957. Tech moves fast. (and for you kids who think 1957 was some long long ago around 20% of the current US population was alive for it.
Troloscic ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 16:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing that amazes me the most is that it took us 66 years to go from the Wright brothers flying 40 meters on a plane made of cardboard to Niel Armstrong landing on the fucking Moon. There were people who were taught in school how heavier than air flight is impossible, who lived to witness the Moon landing.
fuckharvey ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:02:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except he's right, not just because of the gravity difference.
The soil on Mars is not suitable for growing biological life as we know it (even disregarding the fact that the atmosphere on Mars isn't conducive to plant life).
jeremyruihley ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honest question: can we bring our own soil? Like, for the first colony it shouldn't be much, but I can see it being a problem if we have to transport an unimaginable amount of it.
Brandperic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:26:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For small amounts it might be possible. It would be easier to just bring raw materials that can be used to improve the soil already there and make it so that it no longer sucks.
fuckharvey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's called terraforming, which is even more unrealistic in our lifetime.
Hydroponics would be more realistic but hauling water to Mars would require a ton of resources even for just a little bit.
desknob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't there water ice on Mars already?
DakotaEE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there's a ton of water on mars. Just in ice form.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
China's already planning something like that for the moon. Building an ET greenhouse is not a fucking impossibility.
ThisIsGoobly ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:13:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And solutions will be made. You're only considering the level of technology we have at this very moment. While this isn't unreasonable as you're approaching things with the facts we know, you're being close-minded towards future developments. Who's to say that we aren't able to create biospheres of sorts to grow food?
fuckharvey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hydroponics would be more realistic but those require water.
Water is expensive to move. :/
DakotaEE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's tons of ice on mars.
fuckharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With dry ice covering both caps.
1m on the north cap and 8m on the south.
That's a LOT of mining to get to the good stuff. That doesn't even include melting it.
superwinner ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 16:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are not going to mars, ever. Sorry millennials, thats a fact. And there is no Reason to go there, thats a bigger fact. Send rovers, send 100 rovers. That Im cool with.
FChief_24 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:57:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. Humanity should keep all its eggs in one basket and never, ever, move beyond one planet. It's not like extinction level events could happen at any moment that wipes human life out on Earth. Nope. No siree. /s
fuckharvey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh I have little faith in humans going to Mars for anything more than scientific discovery and research.
AP246 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:41:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genetic technology is still in its infancy. Is there any reason a modified version of humanity couldn't be designed to inhabit other planets?
factoid_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:05:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
none at all. Only barrier is time, money and knowledge. The ability to modify genetics to the extent of creating wholesale biological changes to adapt to new environments is an inevitability assuming we don't drive ourselves to extinction before we get there.
The philosophical question, however, is will those people be humans?
Ravn000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They would and wouldn't. They'll be Homo, even Homo Sapiens, but not Homo Sapiens Sapiens (as we are). Maybe Homo Sapiens Martianus.
Superioupie ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you please explain? Human beings are incredibly adaptable and can clearly operate in gravities that differ from the surface of the earth I.e. Living on the space station for extended periods of time. And IIRC gravity isn't necessary to give birth, but I don't know very much on the subject. I don't think we're close to having a baby born on Mars, but to say a human will never be born there (which I feel your pipe dream comment implies, but I could be wrong) seems unreasonable.
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The_Enemys ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gravity makes pumping blood to the brain harder, that's why going from laying down to standing up makes some people faint (when laying down all your blood has more or less the same gravitational potential so higher absolute gravity doesn't make much difference).
DCromo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also aids in the return trip.
But more than that your bone and muscle mass are the big ones. Plus it's hard enough watching a kid period let alone one that could float away on you.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really enough to make a difference, venous blood isn't under much pressure but it is under pressure and in the absence of forces against it will return to the heart just fine without gravity. The only area it needs assistance is returning from the legs, for the opposite reason (returning against gravity).
As for bone and muscle mass, yeah, they'd be worse, but so what? They'd be worse because Mars has lower gravity, but that happens to be where the kid would be growing up anyway. Yes, it wouldn't be ideal for a return trip but a return trip from a Mars colony is a lot further off than current colonisation efforts anyway.
Also, why would the kid float away? Mars may not have earth gravity but it's still got decent gravity.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the floating thing was a joke.
but you grow as you do because you're growing in this environment. maybe everything turns out okay but i doubt it would.
you have thins under tension in your body because of the weight they hold. if your weight was decreased your bones are only going to grow to hold up so much. you'd never be able to return to earth if you were raised in mars.
i'm not going to look for sources but iirc there were a few i read that said growing up in low gravity potentially could be devastating.
and that's also the point, venous blood isn't under pressure because it doesn't have to be. you risk it either becoming under pressure to return to the heart or not having enough low behind it to return. if your heart isn't pumping as hard and your bp decreases on its own there's def potential for big risks there. plus a kid might grow up with a heart pumping x% of a normal heart and when they become an adult they can't unction like a normal one with their heart muscle developed only 75%.
Plus they'd never be able to go to Earth.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Venous blood is under pressure - not much, but it's there. That's how blood returns from, say, your gut to your heart. There's no reason that 30-50% gravity would interfere with venous drainage of the brain when 100% gravity the other way isn't enough to stop other veins, which work exactly the same way, from draining.
As for heart load, yeah, it probably wouldn't develop as much, similar to how the heart of an elite athlete is much stronger than that of a couch potato. But it would develop with more than enough capacity for life on Mars, just as the bones would.
As for not returning to Earth, again, so what? Early colonisation efforts aren't going to have return trips as an option anyway. From a logistical perspective this is much like colonisation efforts hundreds of years ago - it's not a pleasure cruise, it's a vast expenditure of resources such that adding enough extra resources for a return trip would be infeasible. Longer term there would be issues with returns to Earth but by then experience with child development in lower G environments would be much better and enable better approaches.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The point is we don't know how it's effect it. Something that isn't under pressure with less gravity might just not flow is my point. Ever seen how liquids act in reduced gravity? It's strange.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:36 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we do, venous return is actually pretty similar in an infant or fetus compared to an adult, and they go into space all the time. Plus, you're describing microgravity. Mars may be a bit more floaty than Earth but 40% Earth gravity isn't anything to sneeze at.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:47 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's your development into an adult that's the issue.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:02:26 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not though, because the physical loads don't change enough in 40% gravity for there to be different circulatory development to an Earth born child.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:04 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol the point is we don't know.
There's already conditions where the body can't sustain adult life because of smaller hearts or weakened bone structure.
You'll see very similar things. Martians will have stupidly short life expectancy and the few generations it takes to adapt will have stupidly high mortality rates.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And as for not returning to Earth... we're making the choice for someone to grow up in a series of buildings and restricted space and never experiencing the beauty of their home planet. When a perfectly viableโ option is to raise them on Earth and send them to Mars if they want to go.
Birthing and raising them on Mars will entail a lot of tough decisions and go through a lot of risk just to birth and then take on a ton of uncertainty to raise the kid there.
The on top of that, possibly limiting them to stunted development, weaker hearts and short life expectancy, early osteoporosis they can only see Earth in pictures. This big beautiful green and blue place.
Oh come on, just to say we made Martians? Please. Get an ethical bone in your body.
And get rid of the selfish egotistical ones.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:39 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not to say we made Martians - we can colonise other worlds or die here as a species. Evolutionarily humans were built to spread everywhere we can, even if that means testing the limits of everything up to and including reproduction. From a philosophical perspective many humans see their purpose as being to explore and understand this big empty universe. Either goal requires eventual colonisation of other worlds, which means off world human births. Children don't choose to be born in Africa to starving families with no access to resources. Children don't choose to be born to parents with rare, known or unknown genetic diseases. The child isn't there to make a choice until born, why shouldn't they be allowed to be born on Mars? Like I said, Martian colonisation isn't a pleasure cruise - we're talking the most distant frontier humans have ever sought to reach. That takes old school hardship, same as that faced by the first British colonists of the US, same as that faced by any extremely early colonisation effort. Children of the first European US settlers didn't ask to be born in an environment with precious little resources let alone luxuries, and the same likely applied to early native American people when they arrived. Childbirth didn't happen in those circumstances as a "let's have a child for kicks!" moment, it happened as a part of the way that humans explore and populate new areas. The natural cycle of life when seeding a new ecosystem.
Ethics aren't 100% objective. You can't say that the child has no choice therefore you can't do it, because not everyone decision is valued on choice and even if it were choice isn't always available. An unborn child can't choose whether or not to be born, and it's perfectly reasonable for the parents, acting as decision makers in stead, to decide that what's best for the child's future is to be at the forefront of a new colony, to help drive humanity forward into the stars.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:47 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But there's a viable option to be born here and choose to go. Where as being born there cuts off all chances of coming here.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:00:26 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If your parents live on Mars as part of a one way colonisation mission your choices are to be born on Mars or to not be born at all. Most parents consider existence to be superior to non-existence even if it means not being able to visit Earth, what with Earth not being accessible to the existence challenged either.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:23 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. But a limited existence when there's the option to have and raise the kid on Mars and then allow them to make the choice to go themselves ensures and guarantees so much more for the child. You explain to a 15, 16 year old that their existence is important even though they miss out on all semblance of a normal life because we have to colonize Mars.
Especially when there's 7billion people on Earth many of who would be fine, already born candidates.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:35 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're not talking about planning the colonisation here, we're talking about colonists who have already landed. There's no more manned resupply missions. At this point any child born on Mars would either be born on Mars or not born at all (since their parents are, y'know, on Mars). Given that the options for these potential humans are existence on Mars with all the developmental limitations that implies or total non existence it's not longer such a clear cut statement that it is fundamentally unethical to have those children.
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:20 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol okay. Sure, exactly. And it wouldn't be after that point. We'd have to experience to see if a child born there can even live into adulthood.
Until you have to have that experiment, you're not going to. Not in my lifetime, not in yours.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:16 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What exactly would you define as "having" to have that experiment?
DCromo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:47 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A certain probability that we wouldn't be able. To resupply in the next 50 years.
The_Enemys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:29:35 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope that resupply mission doesn't come off the table after 30 years, leaving everyone on Mars both infertile and too elderly to look after themselves without further help.
But really, if the goal of colonising Mars is to make a self sustaining civilisation on another world then relying on external breeding is already a failure. So it comes down to whether or not you think it's reasonable to take educated risks (yes, we don't know, but we can make good guesses based on what we know already, and use current and near future technologies to mitigate it) to enable humanity to explore this otherwise purposeless universe. I think it is, you think it isn't. Neither of us are the final authority on the issue.
pyronius ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:11:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how in gods name do you know what martian gravity would do to a human child? Literally every human ever to exist has been born on earth. At best, we have a few small experimental colonies of animals on the space station, but nothing renotely close to human, and zero gravity is not the same as low gravity.
People who live at high altitudes have larger hearts. People who live in hot climates are more efficient at cooling themselves. People who live where famine is a regular event are better at storing fat. The human body adapts to a wide variety of scenarios, and while nobody has ever had to adapt to a life in low gravity before, they've almost certainly had to adapt to the physiological changes it would bring for one reason or another.
Claiming a human couldn't live on mars due to its lesser gravity is like claiming dogs can't live indoors because there's not enough sunlight.
Gets_overly_excited ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who are you going to believe, the "great genius" Elon Musk or a random redditor who just used "cripple" as a noun?
Mry0guy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cripple has become a noun. language changes get over it
edit: I totally misread this as perscriptivist linguistics. y'all are right.
ThePortalsOfFrenzy ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cripple has already been a noun, but then we as a society deemed it offensive and don't regularly use it anymore. That was his point.
Mry0guy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
facts. I see what you mean.
Lukiss ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think people in this chain understand that language changes, but calling someone a cripple is demeaning and rude. It would be a crippled person, not just a cripple, as if they're different than just a human.
herbiems89_2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnt mean we cant figure out a technological or biological solution to the problem. Especially since we probably still have a few decades.
arrongunner ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is gravity on mars just not as strong as earths.
I don't think there's actually been any studies on the effects of a low (But still existent) gravity on infant development.
There is a very real possibility that a child born on mars wouldn't be able to live on earth, due to as you say muscle wastage (or non development in the first place) and reduced bone density. But .5 or whatever it is G is surely enough to allow for organ development and pumping blood round the body?
Humans on mars may well be slightly deformed and unable to exist on higher G world's. But we just don't know enough to say for sure whether they would live or die. And obviously it's not an experiment we could run....
Aanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard about a study were they took pregnant mice into orbit to see if they'd develop and give birth normally. They all miscarried. Hard to interpolate too much on what would happen at Mars gravity level.
arrongunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I very much agree that 0g births would at best be incredibly difficult. But there is a very big difference between 0g and low g conditions. And simulating low g for a whole pregnancy (even for mice) is pretty difficult to do. Would be a very interesting study though, and one in sure we'd conduct pretty quickly if we have any sort of mars colony.
Aanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I remember right, there was a plan to put a wheel module on the space station that would have let us do this, but it got axed.
arrongunner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's pretty sad. Could have been a very interesting experiment
factoid_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're making a statement of fact when there is no evidence.
Nobody has ever conducted an experiment to see how embryos develop in 0.3g. We have conducted many reproduction experiments in space. jellyfish, frogs. We've proven that complex organisms can reproduce in microgravity. They have a hard time adapting to normal gravity after returning, but it isn't impossible.
But we can't really easily recreate a constant 0.3g environment. Nobody knows if that's enough gravity to keep people healthy or not.
Could you be born on mars and live a full life there? Nobody knows. Could you be born on mars and ever come to earth or would you be incapable of adapting to the gravity?
For that matter we don't even know if a person can live on the surface of mars for years and then re-adapt to earth gravity.
Not knowing is not the same as something being impossible.
Devilsbabe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If enough people there are having babies, I suspect such harsh conditions would lead to a period of rapid human evolution. I'm not aware to what extent research on pregnancy in reduced gravity has been done but as long as a real one has not taken place our assumptions could be very wrong.
VirtDok_Slays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the slightest change in actual evolution takes millions of years, it's fictional for them to be born on mars.
CygnusRex ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:30:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No opinion on the whole Mars thing, but this comment simply isn't true, there are multiple examples of fast evolutionary change such as the Lizards of Pod Mrcaru
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Darwin's observation that he used to support evolution.
fuckharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah millions of years is wrong, however, it would take a few thousand generations to see viable evolution.
herbiems89_2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No not necessarily. Extrem conditions generally accelerate the process quite a bit. Simply because way more specimen die off and the genome gets "filtered" much more thoroughly. For example after our ancestors first left the trees and started living on the ground we developed an intrinsic fear of the dark within about a hundred generations or so. Everyone who wasnt extra alert in the night simply got eaten by predators.
jurgy94 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:37:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It actually does not. Severe selective pressure rapidly influences the genetic composition of a population in just a few generations. Now if we as human species let it come this far is another question since it's rather amoral. But if we manage to create a self sustaining colony that is cut off from the rest of the human race due to some catastrophic incident I could see it happening.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Teddude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The concept you are referring to is that humans don't have the genes to create gills already present, so even a human that would benefit from them would never develop them. This is true to a good extent (disregarding random mutations), however, it forgets to acknowledge how humans already have the capability to change a lot of traits through natural selection. As a very basic example, people in colder climates tended to have lighter skin, because that helped with the body's production of vitamin D- something that darker skin inhibited. Humans in this instance had the genetic capability for skin variation. Extend this to the effects of lower gravity on the body, and all sorts of adaptations could become more common, hence what these other commenters were referring to. Maybe traits that can already be varied between humans (body size, vein structure, the effects of pressure on the body) would naturally be selected in favor of those who benefit a lower gravity. It's not out of the realm of possibility.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Teddude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great example! Mathically speaking it's already been done before. Over at The Library of Babel not only is there Shakespeare written at complete random, but you'll also find a well-written, thought provoking argument backing up your ideas. Although one of those two is a lot less likely.
movdev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mathematics != monkeys.
assume a monkey will type on a typewritter then not mess with the typewritter or paper before the next 'random' key press..
also i did say a work of shakespeare....not a line
Teddude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole point of the monkeys and typewriters experiment is probability, so they actually have a lot in common. Are you sure you didn't find Shakespeare though? It's definitely there, you just have to look really hard
movdev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
an actual experiment with monkeys would not have the same result as this computer model. how monkeys interact with a typewritter (if at all) and then subsequent (or not) interactions are not measurable by probability.
computer model != reality
Teddude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're misunderstanding the point of that thought experiment. The monkey's and typewriters thought experiment is in the same category as Schrodinger's Cat- they're not literal experiments, they're theorems that explain certain concepts. Both would make very little sense as physical experiments, but they demonstrate a concept (probability, quantum mechanics) in a way that is supposed to be very straightforward and easy for non-scientists to understand. No one is actually suggesting that you get monkeys and have them type on a typewriter. The website I showed you is evidence in support of the infinite monkey theorem, not any literal experiments done with animals.
movdev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right i understand that. the original comment was in reply to the assumption that 'given enough time humans would evolve what they need to survive on mars'. read thread for context thanks for the link
Teddude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding :P
Devilsbabe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:35:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If enough people there are having babies, I suspect such harsh conditions would lead to a period of rapid human evolution. I'm not aware to what extent research on pregnancy in reduced gravity has been done but as long as a real one has not taken place our assumptions could be very wrong.
fuckharvey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:07:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Rapid" evolution still takes thousands of years for simple changes (like the reshaping of a toe).
Massive changes don't work that fast. It would take a few thousand generations. That's more like 30,000 years, not 300 years.
Danimals847 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well the baby could be born there and then travel to earth. As long as it could survive takeoff in a rocket.
squawkd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe the mother can just go on a trip back to earth while she's pregnant lol (arrogance not intended)
Danimals847 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we are finding more and more reasons that children on Mars is improbable to the point of impossibility. Women who are pregnant aren't even supposed to go on carnival rides, which I don't think reach atmospheric escape velocity.
factoid_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rockets leaving mars wouldn't have to have especially high acceleration. Nowhere near like on earth. The main reason we accelerate rockets so fast on earth is because we have so much gravity and so much atmosphere. The less time you spend in the thick atmosphere the less fuel you waste. And since we have so much gravity if you don't accelerate quickly to orbit you'll just fall back down again.
The most aggressive ride to space for a human, even from earth's surface, is actually gentler than a really intense rollercoaster (which often get upwards of 5-6Gs in spots)
Re-entry can be rough, depending on what sort of profile you use. The shuttle only re-entered at like 3Gs if memory serves. Winged vehicles re-enter pretty gently over a long distance. Capsules come in steeper and faster.
On mars, a landing would be the harshest part. But ascent would probably never need to exceed 3Gs and could probably be less.
Danimals847 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here I am having a 50% tongue-in-cheek conversation about space babies and you come in with a technical explanation of the application of G-forces on the body during escape and re-entry to and from two separate planets.
Aanar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not exactly. A fuel-optimized Mars launch would still likely involve a pretty big peak g. Many earth launch designs incorporate some kind of throttling. A rocket going full burn will reach peak g right before the fuel is exhausted. Saturn V would turn off engines at it progressed to throttle. The Shuttle had a more complicated throttling system for its main engines in order to not go much over 3 g.
Anyway, yes it's easier to design a rocket for Mars, but it's more of just a design tradeoff between optimizing fuel consumption and passenger comfort.
Rub_my_turkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just remember that it isn't the velocity that causes issues, it's the acceleration. I also do not believe that the users in this thread are specifically saying that preggo women would have to fly in.
[deleted] ยท 4985 points ยท Posted at 11:13:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And instead of space race, unite together.
poopellar ยท 3599 points ยท Posted at 11:55:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't a space race make things go ahead faster?
ThatBritishPleb ยท 3839 points ยท Posted at 12:35:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space race 2- Electric Boogaloo
Weep2D2 ยท 1350 points ยท Posted at 13:02:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2 Space 2 Racist
wait..
Thedmfw ยท 396 points ยท Posted at 13:44:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the south just won establishing the confederate states of Mars.
The_Pankiest ยท 253 points ยท Posted at 13:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Martians have agreed to a compromise, with 5 of their own votes counting as 3 Earthling votes.
blackzao ยท 124 points ยท Posted at 14:02:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it weighted differently because of gravity?
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:52:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...yes, that's the reason.
cough
yeags ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:14:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is heavy, Doc.
LordCalamari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least they'll have the same mass
anythingbutproductiv ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 14:06:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise
blackzao ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:17:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, I get the joke.
LadyBonersAweigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing can be tongue-in-cheek on reddit, sorry friend.
NoRealsOnlyFeels ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
Consonant ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:10:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh child
vatreehugger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should really go back to the good ol' days when politicians knew how to compromise and find common ground. Too much polarization these days, amiright?
GenesisEra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Annnnnd they just seceded and declared themselves the Holy Vers Empire.
And they have giant mecha.
colemada5 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:07:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope more people get that joke.
blackzao ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:01:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it is a red planet.
Benemortis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:25:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CONFEDERAAATES IIIIINN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!
DistantKarma ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prototype space vehicle for Confederate States of Mars getting there.
http://imgur.com/8Goys5L
dontworryskro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the sun shall rise again
settingmeup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But no nation recognises them so they abandon it after a few years.
d3r3k1449 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These days saying Missouri would be more fitting.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ultimate red state
Green_Bay_Fappers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup and 47 stars on the flag
13-50 uhhh goddamn 47
KinglyWeevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too high value, really, to risk sending them to it. What we really need is another australia. A giant island full of deadly things that we can banish the entirety of their population to. In a few generations, the problems should fix themselves.
GENERAL_A_L33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's only a matter of time now. Mwahahaaaaa
SirRogers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why they call it the Red Planet
theguynamedtim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITS NOT A SYMBOL OF RACISM ITS A SYMBOL OF MY HERITAGEEEE - actual quote from my neighbor who was born and raised in New York
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can....can we make this a thing?
BrockN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Race: Uranus Drift
KeybladeSpirit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is someone who plays a piano called a pianist but a person who drives a racecar not called a racist?
kosterhaus ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:05:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Gang Goes to Mars
timmytwonips ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Round 4 horror
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
& knuckles hd
dogfacedboy420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Schindler's List 2 - Let's get this party started!
ThatBritishPleb ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Schindler's list 2- Rwandan boogaoo
ramesesknibs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, the ol' Reddit Boogaloo
ThatBritishPleb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold my mars, I'm going in!
Moonkat4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space race the squeakwell
dementperson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deuce Bigalow Space Gigolo
Jacksonteague ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Race 2 - The Search for Curley's Gold
MediocreProstitute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a fun game
_butreallydoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"We'll Get to Mars Faster Than You"
SinkHoleDeMayo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rat Race 2: Race to Mars
stophel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rock down to, electric avenue
Krinks1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Martian Boogaloo
FTFY
Kijafa ยท 424 points ยท Posted at 12:11:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At a cost though. There'd be a lot of wasted resources due to duplicated effort I'd think.
MechanicalGambit ยท 420 points ยท Posted at 12:20:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but imagine the bureaucracy of getting nations to work together
Kijafa ยท 160 points ยท Posted at 12:25:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For space stuff there's already a lot of international co-operation.
TrollinTrolls ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 13:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space stuff, the final frontier. These are the voyages or whatever of the Starship Thingymabob. Their mission, to peace out and do whatever shit they feel like doing.
DeltaBravo831 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:29:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Starship McStarface
C'mon, man.
CykoTom ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:26:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Starship Mc Starshipface.
budom ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:24:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I swear, if they make it an online poll...
GiantSpaceWhale ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:27:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like something Zap Branigan would say.
newsorpigal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Urgent page to u/sirpatstew: we need two lines of VO, script provided, performance fee forthcoming via crowdsource.
Corellian_pirate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:12:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then declare, "Let's blow this thing and go home!" :/
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:28:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This feels more accurate to Star Trek than the actual line.
mitchell271 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait, you're telling me that's not the plot of every star trek episode?
PM_ME_YOUR_LUKEWARM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i kind of find that weird. U.S and Russia are kind of tense recently, but they corporate when it comes to Space.
Like, how does that work? Seems awkward. I mean, it's awesome, but awkward.
whirlpool138 ยท 329 points ยท Posted at 12:41:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good thing they practiced for years with the International Space Station.
DeathMCevilcruel ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 13:17:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good then no issues.
hillbilly_socrates ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like there's a significant difference between the science-driven work of the ISS and the exploratory nature of a manned Mars mission. To most people, exploration is just sexier than experimentation. Throw in the potential for claiming new territory and resources, not to mention historic bragging rights, and you have several political reasons to want to be the first rather than part of a united effort.
That doesn't mean it's not possible or preferable, just that it's more politically loaded than working together in a space station.
AustinXTyler ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:10:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good, then we've narrowed down our astronaut choices to a pope, a Swiss, or Bob Ross
hillbilly_socrates ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a good crew. You call them up and have them clear their calendars, I'll start a GoFundMe page.
AustinXTyler ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:23:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now we just need to strioke the russian's ego and bribe them with oil until they agree not to send a Russian astronaut
curiouswizard ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thing is, we can explore Mars from Earth. It takes much longer and requires some very creative and precise feats of engineering in order to do it such a long distance, but we technically don't need humans on Mars to explore Mars. Not as long as we continuing advancing our robotic technology.
With that said, we would be able to do scientific exploration faster and with more volume if we could establish a colony and send human scientists; especially if it were in tandem with advanced robotic tech. Even just having people on the ground (well, the Martian ground) to reach a robot for repairs would double our efficiency.
The problem is convincing everyone that it's worth it. We have a hard enough time justifying the non-human robotic missions we already perform currently, because of the arguments which say "why spend millions on that when people are still starving."
Tiernoon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The costs would be so high, that cooperation would be essential. The world may not work together, but nations would. Maybe America and China could do it, other individual nations couldn't. Europe would have to have a joint effort if any hope would be there.
I remember Civilisation Beyond Earth had the French/Iberian nation. And fans wanted a Northern European one combing the UK, Ireland and the Nordic nations (and you Finland but I know you hate being called Scandinavian).
fezzuk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realise Europe is richer than both america and China and a hub of scientific research.
They recently landed a probe on an asteroid, quite a bit harder than a manned landing on the moon.
Tiernoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a joint effort, no single European nation could do it. That was my point.
fezzuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know there is this thing called the EU.
Tiernoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do, and enjoy citizenship in two of its member states. (At least till the full exit of the UK). I was making a point, but lumping 500 million unique peoples, many not even in the EU into one bag is downright silly.
fezzuk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:31:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are talking about space exploration not cultural differences here.
The ESA managed to do the single most difficult mission ever done in space, they could do it.
Tiernoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A non profit probe, it's a great achievement. But it isn't anything like a colonisation effort, let alone getting a person to some far off celestial body.
fezzuk ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:05:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still the most impressive bit of space exploration since the moon landing. And for some reason every one goes wow when musk can land a rocket on a barge one time in a hundred.
My point being its possible. And if they put their money in the EU are the most likely super power currently able.
xTheMaster99x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair, Europe is already working together on space, and has been for a while. Given the fact that no European nation could hope of doing it themselves, the political issues would only matter for selecting crew.
TheSlimyDog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the space race to mining asteroids will be a lot more lucrative.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm old enough to remember that back in the 90s, the planned completion date for that thing was 2004.
whirlpool138 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't it finished? It's going to be phased out in a couple of years and won't be around in another decade or two.
Ordies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes it is lol.
Mist_effin_born ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've read Seveneves, it's not gonna end well.
PointyBagels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well US-Russia cooperation won't be happening again in the near future.
And for some reason the US has an aversion to working with China on space related things and I don't really understand why.
whirlpool138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't our astronauts still catching a ride on their rockets?
PointyBagels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes but Russia is increasingly price gouging us on that and when the Dragon and/or CST-100 become operational for crewed missions that deal will end.
And of course we still work together on the ISS, but my main point is that ISS-level cooperation will not happen again in the current political climate.
scram_jones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're gonna have to rock-paper-scissors to see which astronaut gets to touch down first.
thedudebythething ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The solution here is to keep governments out of it. Just let the scientists/engineers work together and the governments just keep them funded. Obviously, this will never happen, but it would be nice.
CleanBill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
+ Trump behaving like a retard and messing with the whole thing because he wants to build a golf park in there or some bs like that, and then starts ranting on twitter about the ESA or any other "rival" space agency, arguing that it doesn't make 'Murica great again...
A_favorite_rug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regardless. There's a time where all members of a civilization should unify. The sooner the better.
Ravn000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one said it'd be easy. Just that it'd be nice.
jaxonya ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With Trump at the helm I can't see any possibility of this not working out ...
vnotfound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works for the EU.
IlikeJG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not that much, scientists from various nations work together all the time.
KentGardner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look no further than ITER.
nism0o3 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to be a pessimist but, I think there will be competition from nations trying to get their claim on Mars territory. Then we will have only the wealthy people colonizing, marketing and eventually monopolizing Mars in some way.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:40:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 1967 UN treaty declared all of outer space an international commons by describing it as the "province of all mankind" and forbidding all the nations from claiming territorial sovereignty. That treaty has been ratified by 102 nations including all the ones with a realistic shot of getting there.
Starving_Kids ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank god mankind has such a long tradition of always sticking to their word for the good of others when power and resources are involved.
zenchan ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:54:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Antarctic treaty system continues to hold, despite dramatic changes in world politics since it was ratified.
akcaye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:39:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon is also not "claimed".
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:52:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but peace has come a long way and space exploration is one of the most unified fields in terms of international co-operation. If one country decided to 'go it alone' they would struggle when the brains of every other country walked away.
MananTheMoon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:18:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it worked for Antarctica, it can work for Mars. Especially since Antarctica is far more inhabitable.
TheTT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:19:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but nobody signed the moon treaty because it enshrined this stuff even further. The 1967 treaty was written with a few satellites and maybe a space station in mind - a full colony would require a certain amount of property rights by the individual humans and/or the collective colonists. That treaty is going down.
nism0o3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I realize this, its just a matter of time before someone challenges it or changes their mind. Especially if there is money to be made or leverage to exploit.
Veefy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take it you read Kim Stanley Robinson's trilogy on mars colonisation then?
nism0o3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope but now I have new books to find.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:58:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is that pessimism? It's an immutable law of nature: Those who have, get.
If that bothers you, work to become one of the Haves.
nism0o3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Its the haves that ruin it for everybody thing that gets me the most. The haves that have to have more in the sense of monopolizing and killing competition. That whole thing.
Edwardian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:32:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends, a lot of times competition allows innovation. If everyone works together on one path, they'll stay on that route whether or not it's the more effective route.
Starving_Kids ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:44:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the same time, decentralized engineering often lends itself to more creative solutions and can reduce risk. Limited cooperation to help overcome large stumbling points is good, but often times giving the designers space to breathe is a better solution. Small teams working separate from each other can sometimes work faster and create new technological paths.
goldandguns ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's kinda how you get at things the fastest. Single programs tend to get set into certain ideas and become inflexible to change. That's why competition is such a powerful force for progress.
whatsthebughuh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:53:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open source space race would avoid it mostly.
tophermeyer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that an open source model would work. Unless you'd be willing to have anyone that wants to help just show up and start putting parts on the rocket.
Open source works with software because it software can be branched and versioned.
whatsthebughuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open source is just that the source material is open to use and modify, there is open source hardware, eg, raspberry pi often has hardware thats open source, you can download a 3d print schematic and modify it to suit your needs, 3d print it, and pass on your design modifications for others to use, review, and modify how they like. They arent on your team, they arent changing your work only theirs. Same as software.
StateChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just think of all the efficiency that could be gained by people coming together and working on a common goal in space.
Then compare that to the gains of blocking Reddit at all workplaces everywhere.
I think the latter would me more impactful...
GoBenB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best ideas come from others trying to do things differently. There is always a better way to do something but no one would no unless they attempted to re-create the wheel from time to time.
We've had rockets for a long time but it wasn't until SpaceX came along until someone realized that reusing rockets would be a good idea.
PromptCritical725 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a monopoly then?
290077 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bureaucracies reinvent the wheel all the time.
[deleted] ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 12:07:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that can be argued but "2 heads are always better than 1".
If we just could forget the past and start to working together. that way we would achieve much more and much faster.
I don't think we will ever truly become space civilization if we won't start working together.
wpiman ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do we need Coke and Pepsi; we could get them together and have one super cola...
axelhasitmemorized ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....RC.....
hakuna_tamata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The goal was to make it better, not worse.
SirNoodlehe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:10:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But which would make a better TV show?
makenzie71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a joke, but it's also the best way to get the most powerful nations to get the fuck up and go.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you suggesting working with Russia on something positive? I have a feeling much of the country wouldn't approve of that, regardless of the project
CykoTom ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes...Forget the past. (laughs in Russian.)
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:06:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Competition is good.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I really don't see any harm in a space race
GoBenB ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's the harm in a space race? Competitiveness drives innovation.
The privatization of space travel is a great example. There are great things happening in the private sector as a result of the competition between SpaceX, Blue Origin, Virgin, etc.
PinkyBlinky ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no reason it necessarily has to be that way. The only benefit competition has over cooperation is generally greater motivation to improve.
Legionof1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Motivation is the single most important trait of humans though. Without motivation we stagnate. Even now we are stagnating in technology (see intel over the past decade). Competition is the human motivator. It creates a situation of, I want to win.
"I want" is the drive behind anything we do to be better. I want better food, I want a better house, I want a better car... I would still work every day because I need stuff, but I work hard because I want.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:51:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It also encourages the manufacturers to keep costs down, as quickly as possible, since it's a competition. It could end up being a lot more expensive if we didn't compete.
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No the different groups also allow different ways of achieving the same goal.
desertpower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it changes the incentive structure
wpiman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:46:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a look at the Soviet Union in 1988 versus the United States at that time. That is not a trivial detail.
veganveal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:21:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By "space race", do you mean aliens or do you think we should engineer a mutant humanoid "space race"? It would have advantages. We could design a space dwelling creature to do our space work.
Crimson-Carnage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it would! Always faster and better when racing instead of every looser getting a trophy.
t3nkwizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably. "Us vs. Them" is a powerful motivator.
badwolf42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's important to remember the context. The race was about who had military superiority. Or at least that's why it went so fast and got so much budget. We were afraid of being nuked from space with no way to stop it.
I just hope that the number of technologies and people that were formed in support of it is a compelling enough reason to do it again. It really had a positive impact on the US economy in the long term.
Nickx000x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/s
ghsghsghs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A space race would definitely make things go faster.
Unfortunately it isn't much of a race if you already know who will win.
blaspheminCapn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fast, but not sustainable. Much like the moon shot.
lovely_sombrero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Between who? USA and EU? I don't think EU is interested in that...
VoteRonaldRayGun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No.
Padankadank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then we'd never go back. We havent been to the moon for 40 years.
Jagdgeschwader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then we might lose to the Russians again
scarabic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but smaller things. Certain large efforts are beyond the reach of humanity right now unless we pool all of our budgets and efforts.
DPSOnly ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:21:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but maybe if everybody works together, everybody can reap the rewards from it together. Also, smaller chance of a war on mars between colonies.
Corporal_Canada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Considering that the first Space Race happened because the US wanted to beat Russia in a dick measuring contest, yeah that makes sense
tacodepollo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, but then it will be followed again by a long break in spacetravel.. why? Because the nature of a race is this: First one there, wins. And then it's over. No one cares about second place. As soon as the American got to the Moon, the race stopped. Because there was a winner. No one wants to prove how fast they can come in second.
So, to unite, might be slower but in the long run is healthier for space travel because these achievements wouldn't be a defeat to anyone, it would only be motivation to keep going.
That's what I think anyway, but I'm just a chicken taco.
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America wasn't the first in space, we lost the race so we changed the rules, we made it a race to make a manned space ship, then it was about the moon. We could do the same thing again . First to Mars, first to build a colony, first to build a launch pad so the colony can return shipments and launch from Mars , first to build a refueling station in space so shipping costs go down etc.
JMMSpartan91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's meet in the middle. Space race but then whoever wins takes some others up with them.
Camoral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster isn't always better. While a race might accelerate the pace, the first space race resulted in quite a few casualties due to rushed timelines and lax safety standards. In my opinion, competition was a factor, but not as much as the funding it brought in. The legislators were the biggest nationalists, not the scientists.
A_favorite_rug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the really question at hand is why have we not made a space death race?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if all other things (funding, governmental support, public perception, etc) are equal.
What do you think would produce better results, two countries working against each other, or those same two countries pooling resources?
ThatDudeShadowK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple countries working against each other. Multiple views, plus competition will drive innovation.
elev57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The space race was just a cover for various military races, including those in ballistic missile and various satellite (communications, reconnaissance, imaging, etc.) technologies. The space part was just a veneer to push a more positive image to garner more public support for the endeavor.
Robdiesel_dot_com ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if that race is more intelligent than ours.
tolandruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No saying there is oil on mars would make it go faster.
pwnageperson32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
Mr_Industrial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, space race then unite together.
paxgarmana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pretty much
Jaybirdmcd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The word Race would imply that.
Bond4141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you have competing teams in something line the space race, you have a bunch of scientists all reaserching the same thing. So if you had 5 teams, and a 10 year race, you advance the fields by 10 years.
But, joining those teams into one mega team would practicality make it a 50 year advancement. Since redundant research wouldn't need to be done.
fezzuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really, the iss was founded on co operation, that and if we are doing it via international competition it probably means quite a lot of nasty stuff that goes with it.
TheKunit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think if we United in our efforts and put all our resources together we could achieve a lot more.
So-Cal-Mountain-Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
Banonogon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right; that worked pretty well the first time.
I guess in theory uniting together would be the most efficient use of resources, but I can't really see that happening.
GoodRubik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would. A "united" front would be full of politics and maneuvering. So would a race but at least they'd be working towards the same thing.
For evidence of this just look at Space X and Blue origin. They've achieved amazing progress in the last few years.
IlikeJG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster perhaps, but much less safe and much more expensive. It will only go faster by cutting corners and taking wild risks. Otherwise pooling our knowledge will probably make it go faster than trying to do it separately.
r_matsuiya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is faster always better?
keithwaits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:00:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That depends on if Dick Dastardly joins the race.
fieldsofanfieldroad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:14:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno. Have you never watched Wacky Races?
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism works people...
PraxisLD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism works out very well for some people...
wpiman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In which societies do you think it is the best to be a poor person today?
PraxisLD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism is the worst possible way to structure a society, except for all the others...
Why does there have to be poor people anyway?
Tell me please, how is it OK that 8 men own the same wealth as 3.6 billion people?
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sort of wealth comparison is BS. Some guy in France owes Society general billions of dollars from his time trading in their offices when the economy collapses. He is on paper the poorest person on the planet. He lives way better than 75% of the world population. Wealth by a number is bogus.
We should be asking how are people living? Who doesn't have access to food and clean water?
PraxisLD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:54:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Raw numerical comparisons are just one measure, albeit a pretty telling one. And much stronger than a single case anecdote.
Could you imagine if everyone involved in crashing the economy with sub-prime mortgages were forced to pay all that money back? What if everyone who forced us into a War for Oil were forced to hand back all of their profits?
The world would be a much different place if direct responsibility for ones own actions was the norm rather than the exception...
Hezbollynx ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:12:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Says the guy who has the cost of transportation, food, communication and basic goods 1000+ times cheaper thanks to capitalism
PraxisLD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wherever there isn't a de-facto monopoly, sure.
But look at certain prescription drug prices for an easy example of where it doesn't work...
DoctorBagels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:56:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why we keep the system and iron out the folds.
PraxisLD ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that those who most understand the system have gained that knowledge by manipulating things to their own personal advantage.
Meanwhile, the rest of us are just trying to get by and can't easily spend a majority of our lives learning how to fix a corrupt and broken economy..
DoctorBagels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:10:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what do you propose? I shared my idea, do you have one?
EDIT: Typical.
PraxisLD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said we should scrap capitalism entirely, just that it has its obvious flaws.
So how exactly would you iron out the folds? What specifically can you or I do to make things work to the benefit of everyone involved?
Before you answer, keep in mind that our only real power is the vote, and you see how that turned out when so many people just voted for pleasant lies and just screwed their own best interests...
DoctorBagels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The left and the right would have to come together and use their combined power to remove the cancer and elect good people. There are enough voters in this country to accomplish anything. Our left-right polarization is diminishing our power, and the people in charge use that to get their way.
Apart from that... I dunno, start finding out where these corrupt bankers and politicians live and take them out?Kidding, of course
PraxisLD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds great, but how do we get that started? Seems like kind of a big project for a couple of people...
As for your final paragraph, are you familiar with the Queensrรฟche album Operation Mindcrime? You might find it interesting...
DoctorBagels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deploy at least a couple really charismatic people in each city I reckon. Any other ideas?
I'm not, but I'll check them out. Thanks!
Dubs0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It worked very well in getting people to the moon, why won't competition get us to Mars?
PraxisLD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:26:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't capitalism, than was nationalism.
Kennedy convinced us that we had to beat the Russians at all cost, so we did.
How well do you think that might work in today's political climate?
Moonwalker917 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there's no financial reason to do so, it won't work.
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government often will use competitive bidding to reduce costs and push innovation in areas that don't have financial backing outside of government.
Plz_save_us_Trump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shh.. Stop thinking and go back to listening "We are the World" on a loop.
ifcoffeewereblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is always what is preached in America. Competition does not automatically mean faster or better. Countless studies have shown that cooperation and competition are equally strong and it is actually a lot of other factors surrounding the project that make a bigger difference. Unfortunately, with the current political climate, I'm not sure how we could get a bunch of independent nations to fully cooperate. Donnie T or Putin would turn it into a D measuring contest and ruin it.
jb1610 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:07:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what people don't understand. It's the same idea as capitalism but for some reason people can't understand that either.
xSlappy- ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. It would be considered a sub-optimal outcome in game theory.
DrDPants ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:17:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah only if everyone involved was a petty competitive POS...
So probably
Xipotec ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:41:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and BOOM, we got a politics discussion
Pm-me-gift-cardz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:16:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, collaboration would
youabsolutepancake ยท 111 points ยท Posted at 12:21:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rat Race II - Space Race.
Starring Rowan Atkinson as Rowan Atkinson.
wegwerpworp ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:09:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Issa race! Issa race! I'm weening! I'm weening!
PlatypuSofDooM42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck beat me to it. Have your updoot
Falls asleep standing
EJDsfRichmond415 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rat Race is definitely my #1 feel good, guilty pleasure movie.
Edit:spelling
Twelve20two ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:46:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does it once again feature him flipping off people, but this time from a space shuttle?
AmericanFromAsia ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 12:59:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would take much longer than your lifetime
bipbophil ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:59:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chanting earth isn't as fun as chanting USA
KGBFriedChicken02 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:58:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UNSC
A_favorite_rug ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:35:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, in halo, that's the military, not the entire civilization of humanity itself. Most notably the United Nations' Navy.
Fun facts:
Did you know, that the UNSC still uses navel ships on the Ocean despite being almost entirely dependent on space borne ships and aircraft?
Or how about that Dr. Halsey, a mother figure upon the SII program subjects and that she can tell who is who even behind their armor due to their sudtle mannerisms despite them being much more machine than man.
There were once twelve rings but many were destroyed by an AI that was essentially brainwashed by the flood. To aim a MAC cannon. You need an AI. A human can fire, but aiming is virtually a fool's errand without an AI. This means the flood can technically infect a MAC cannon and anything else that uses an AI.
Another fact of mine was that there were literal super space highways built by the Foreunner's foreunner, the Precursors (but were destroyed due to how the Rings property of destroying Precorsor installations). Which are essentially Proto-Flood. The Flood were found as dust or grain in a container. The humans and the race that we recognize as the Prophet (Yep, they were at one time close allies!) worked together to test this mystery substance on creatures that could considered to be pets or food at the time but noticed nothing too abnormal and subsequently released them. This would be the first outbreak of the Flood.
The Precursors are so utterly advanced, that they cannot be described by anything but essentially gods by definition. They are a race that can probably even time travel. Since that a human AI managed to do so simply on accident and managed to come to our time and infect www.ilovebees.com.
KGBFriedChicken02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, but so am I because UNSC is United Nations Space Command. I took his comment as all countries working together in space, thus all Space programs would be directed by the UN.
A_favorite_rug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:10:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I just want an excuse to nerd out.
KGBFriedChicken02 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
XD as do I. Why do you think I started this!
A_favorite_rug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lmao. Now I just need to find a Dark Souls comment thread.
KGBFriedChicken02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UNSC is all space operations of Humanity, it's just that most of those are military operations because of the covenant. UNSC is also in charge of things like colonizing planets
A_favorite_rug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aware it's all space operations of humanity, but I'm saying that because it's virtually militarized and the Navy is the most obvious ( and IMO most well known). Thanks for the elaboration though. I wouldn't want to mistakenly misinform or leave something out. o7
N307H30N3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man, it is a shame Halo became terrible when Microsoft took over. I remember being deeply invested in the lore up until, and including Reach.
All the greatest lore and backstory wont make up for subpar games.
A_favorite_rug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. I actually like Halo 4, could've had been better tho.
I will weep if they screw up anything about a Precursor.
Ender16 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:09:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coming together sounds all nice and touchy feely but lets be honest. Competition drives innovation. It always has and probably always will. Not saying that it wouldnt work but i think lack of a competitive nature would make things slow and underfunded.
microMe1_2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We really should have an "Earth" flag to put on Mars, because whichever country contributes the most to getting there it's still really an achievement of humanity
ricobirch ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Here people from Earth first set foot on the planet Mars, we came in peace for all of mankind"
imrollinv2 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:37:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah the politics would just slow us down
trippinwontnothard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could team up with China and call Matt Daemon if necessary.
Mugen593 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United Earth Federation (UEF).
Would be pretty dope to put aside our bullshit and start working together to explore space and reap the rewards of exploration.
Mankind cannot stay in the cradle for eternity!
risunokairu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wanting to see race in space is part of the problem. Don't be space racist.
billytheid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much this
The_Golden_Warthog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep telling people America isn't going to make it there on our own. The Big 3 (US, Russia, China) are going to have to work together before anything besides a suicide mission is 'manned' for Mars.
bluejackets722 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's stop fighting wars with each other and start kicking the shit out of other planets as a united Earth.
iamnotacat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My biggest dream for Mars is that it will become like its own country. No Earth-flags on Mars, no american/russian/chinese martians, just Martians. All together as a new nation/civilization which can build and learn from Earth's mistakes and don't fuck shit up so bad.
Leave all the petty political bullshit behind, please.
mikeyros484 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminded me of my favorite scene in The Martian... the "Starman" montage, showing that unification between the U.S. and China. It'd be incredible in real life if it happened globally, I get goosebumps thinking about it. It's a fantastic common goal to be brought together by (space exploration).
Tylerjb4 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:22:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism vs capitalism
A_favorite_rug ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And yet I'm the crazy one for wanting the UN (or something similar to it) to become earth's federal government and countries being the equivalent of states. Or something akin to that.
Iorith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you're crazy at all. Optimistic to think it will ever actually happy, but it's a nice idea.
A_favorite_rug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:49:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's less optimism and more expecting such. I feel that's a better alternative.
Iorith ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:54:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better for mankind, maybe. Better for those currently in power? That's what will decide it.
A_favorite_rug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not as if we have a choice. Inner turmoil in a civilization is a civilization not wishing to improve let alone do what is best. That becomes more and more true as they get older.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Space Race is capitalism. Capitalism works well.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, let's try to be a little realistic here..
olmikeyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read this as "untie together" and it kind of made sense still. Pretty satisfied with that mistake.
Superfluous_Thom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first non Earth humans would be the space race..
giftdestruction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The greatest speeh ever made. https://youtu.be/WibmcsEGLKo
Kilmarnok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth and Mars, together
mmarkklar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only way we'll see that is if Earth gets used up.
MattieShoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a nice thought that tends to fail in practice. Whoever doesn't deliver on their part ends up with power to extort the others.
BoobieBoobieButtButt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol keep dreaming
nickl220 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meh. Putin would definitely annex Mars if he gets there first.
OhBestThing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until we get to Mars, at which point there would be wars for expansion and control over it.
McFlyyouBojo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am for a space race, but not one created from cold war conflict. How about a friendly encouraging positive space race.
Redhavok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I'm sure that will happen. When we stop fighting over the smallest things possible.
markth_wi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, perhaps qualifying that with united together in peace. For instance Killzone was premised on the idea of a Mars-like colony world that unites against an Earth-like world called Vekta.
stoicsmile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together.
thtgyovrthr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think russia and the US will be collaborating on this one.
13502 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats just racist
aerger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already a red planet, sadly
Trashcanman33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People always complain about NASA. Being underfunded. When it's budget is close to every other country's on earth combined space budget. NASA doesn't need more funding. We need to work with more countries and convince them to make an equal commitment.
onfire9123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd have to discover another extra terrestrial race before we can unite. We need a common focus for our hate. Then we'll be solid.
fezfrascati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To save Matt Damon once again.
TheCodexx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll work harder if it's a race.
JeremyHall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better yet, USA first to Mars.
MarcoBrusa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why would that be any better?
JeremyHall ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because I'm an American and I love my country. We are the crown jewel of western civilization, and the best hope for humanity advancing into the future.
c0lin91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prepare your b-hole for downvotes.
JeremyHall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On this American site that uses American vernacular predominantly?
Sure, that's the beauty of it!
xTYBGx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehh, competition ignites innovation. If there's no competition, then there's no effort to do better or to take risks
Know_Your_Meme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck that Murica is the best fuck everyone else
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I fucking love Murcia dude. Despite being the 7th largest city in Spain it's got a lot of history.
Know_Your_Meme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It says murica not murcia
C-4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think innovation benefits from races. I totally understand the argument of bringing our minds and technologies together, but I think humanity would innovate more in a race. Could you imagine if China started doing incredible things nonstop with space travel, and then just started talking shit to Trump about how they're ahead? With Trump's ego, he'd started funding NASA like crazy and push to so whatever necessary to beat China. See, there are a few scenarios where we can benefit from a childish president.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But America still wins
130alexandert ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about the whole world versus the USA
Clamlon ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only in fiction.
TheTT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:25:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It worked in Europe
julbull73 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. That would bog things down in an immense fashion. Everyone would be fighting instead over how to get there, but who gets what, who does what, who gets the credit, who gets the shuttle contracts.
Star Trek is a great ideal state/vision. But we're no where near ready for that.
Plus lets be honest the UISA is goign to be awesome. United interplanetary states of america....
Also I feel colonization (although I don't think Mars will) is going to be the next game changer, much as the "new world" was for Earth.
Poem_for_your_sprog ยท 4704 points ยท Posted at 13:09:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine that:
A starry night;
A race to space,
A blinking light.
A second place
Amongst the stars;
A rocket ship;
A trip to Mars.
Imagine then:
You walk outside;
You stare above,
And know with pride,
And hope,
and love,
That what you see -
Is closer than it used to be.
CooldownReduction ยท 1672 points ยท Posted at 13:59:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't recognize your name without gold.
Dearest_Caroline ยท 748 points ยท Posted at 14:39:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, the gold is coming soon.
Edit: The Gold is here.
Ffaddicted ยท 90 points ยท Posted at 16:02:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two gilded comments, and yet the original poem is not one of them.
dandu3 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:06:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And another. That means that the comments are better than the poem. I think.
LickTaintOn1stDate ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 16:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Three now
Troloscic ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 16:07:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Four now
zzzthelastuser ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:21:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Five now
how2getbig ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 16:24:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol nice try.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol nice try ^
how2getbig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha ikr
how2getbig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where the fucks my gold at
oblivionraptor ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:36:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao
rustyshackleford76 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2 Six 2 Now
imu_1996 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This comment section is filled with GOLD DIGGERS!!
sturmhauke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ain't saying she a gold digger, uh
Aleforge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:30:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like Oprah is around here lurking. EVERYONE GETS A GOLD!
ThatGuyInTheCar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:38:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is Bruce Lee's brother. He charges $50,000 and hour. It might sound expensive, but nothing is to good for my baby
InitiallyAnAsshole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mee too thanks
khaosdragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey now,
ThatWiseGuy292 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shameless attempt at getting gold
isoturtle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the fuck is going on? So much gold and none for sprog???
ThatBritishPleb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:32:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Id like to get in on this gold rush!
CaptainObvious1906 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now I gotta gild Sprog
Pronoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Choochoo
DasJuden63 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 15:59:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this where you get on the Gold Train?
Edit: Choo Choo mother fuckers!
justinsand ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 16:01:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We missed the departure
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:04:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
tootsie_rolex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone, please give this man a gold too.
SpunkBunkers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking for that selfless gold?
tootsie_rolex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:38:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was the "this man"
TheDragonking_2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aww shit I wanted to climb on it too
Mech__Dragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Choo choo!
_FadedRoyalty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
clearly you thought you missed it but the departure was delayed. Looks like I missed it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you gild on mobile
A_Reasonable_Man_98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gold
01WWing ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:19:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time to break the chain
SpatiallyRendering ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe there'll be an [insert time]:00 train too!
sirolfreversed ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait for me I still have a ticket
Valyrian_Architect ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please?
Theblade12 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm here for the gold, too. I think I'm starting to run out.
InitiallyAnAsshole ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me too thanks
halfhartedgrammarguy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Welp
KitKatKafKa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh god is this gonna be one of those?
kaori314 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 ticket please sir
sione7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can u guys get gold so easily?
DasJuden63 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:21:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit is a fickle beast. I honestly commented as a joke not expecting anything.
PhosBringer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, take back the gold and give it to Sprog.
LemonG34R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Original comment doesn't get gold but these do wat
kinkysnowman ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:05:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the gold
LickTaintOn1stDate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too, thanks!
Slartibartyfarti ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thought I was born to late to experience a gold rush.
Dearest_Caroline ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just commenting here so I can get gold a second time. Is this my lucky day?
RichardMcNixon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder if he recognizes the name now that he has gold?
Ares-Marz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The gold is on its way
a_smith51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The other words of House Lannister.
BroaxXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something something gold.
Baktab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well....father always promised.
I_AM_A_FUNNY_GUY ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then give the man some gold damnit.
daaave33 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can fix that for them.
PM-Me-Your-BeesKnees ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL, gold really is a permanent part of his name.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DragonBank ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:15:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy bamboozles.
Wavemanns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly believe without Sprog that the economics of reddit would collapse.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CooldownReduction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohh shit man I'm sorry i genuinely didn't copy you, there is only so many original things people can say, 1,000 monkeys with typewriters and all that.
Redgen87 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give it time lol
ragnarlothbrok9 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:17:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came for the gold
Jonotegra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:39:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have cleared the reddit gold reserve, its all gone
Dr_Heron ยท 115 points ยท Posted at 13:59:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly got a wave of frisson on reading that. Loved the rhythm, one of your best I've read!
kaeroku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a great word.
Jon-Osterman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/frisson
RandomLovelady ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jonathon, is that you? Probably not, but a friend of mine used frisson the other day. I'm fairly well read and educated, but actually had to look that word up. Great word.
Dr_Heron ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm fairly sure that I'm not Jonathon, I certainly wasn't when I checked earlier. It is indeed a great word for a great emotion! It's lovely when a little thing like that wonderful poem gives you that pleasant tingle!
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 13:12:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great poem, as always. Thank you!
MrCleanMagicReach ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:30:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, great name!
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:44:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks, I got it off a hairdryer.
mopsarethebomb ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:32:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is my favorite poem of yours so far.
leiphos ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:15:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bravo!
friend_jp ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:24:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God damn!
simon12321 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:50:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude... goosebumps
Look_Deeper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about Timmy?
stormycloudysky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good god that was amazing
majchek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:19:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love all of your poems, you're like a breath of fresh air in the hot stale air that is the comment section. This poem though, i think its my favorite one i've read! The excitement about going to outer space, about 'conquering' it, i felt it! in your song! thank you!
Metatrons_Cube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:19:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spectacular
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I strive to be as well worded as you.
silverbackjack ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:26:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The finish line is far away
A small red spot in distant sky
A place you wouldn't want to stay
Because you'd probably starve and die
But just to visit would be nice
Just to wander once or twice
Across the planets giant surface
Maybe that's our species purpose
To fly to planets unlike home
To be in peace and all alone
To do the things none had done
To be the first or only one
If I was there I could ignore
All the bad things thought and said
And all my sorrow would be no more
I'd look around, I'd lik the red
gothic_potato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic work!
PedanticPlatypodes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cows on Mars 2: Electric Boogaloo
Seriously though, bravo
pkohler51 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then Timmy fucking dies
ColinD1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He should have started the reactor.
mc_kitfox ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:51:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, this is great. I don't usually save posts like this, but I want to hang onto this one.
DownvotesWankers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:27:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
U should write a book!
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:51:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He did. See his post history.
silverbackjack ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
She* Her*
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
เคฅเฅเคเคเฅเคธ เคซเฅเคฐ เคจเฅเค "เคธเฅเคฏเคฟเคเค เคฆเคฟเคก เคฏเฅเค เคเคธเฅเค เคเคธเฅเคฎเฅ เคฆเฅเคฏเคฐ เคเฅเคเคกเคฐเฅค"
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It* Its*
anyburger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sky is not the limit!
Typys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My heart skipped a beat. Beautiful!
YouDontMeanLITERALLY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gives sprog
curiouswizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is by far my favorite of yours. It's so simple but captures the feeling perfectly. :)
EmptyRook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:53:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit, I actually got a bit teary eyed from this one. Thanks for what you do
will_wolfy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:54:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you don't mind, but I've been wanting to do this for awhile. Musical interpretation of your poem.
cultdust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Attention whore.
PedanticPlatypodes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Donโt know why this was downvoted
fuzzer37 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the poems are always shit, and honestly just spam.
PedanticPlatypodes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:07:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theyโre very good poems, in most peopleโs opinions, and theyโre each topical and relevant, so theyโre objectively not spam. You are wrong.
fuzzer37 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:07:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no. I'm wrong on the internet. Whatever will I do
PedanticPlatypodes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:08:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk try to be right next time?
fuzzer37 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except sprog is trash, though
PedanticPlatypodes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In your opinion. Most disagree. Regardless, definitely not spam
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
weeps tears of joy
-SpaceDooDooPistols- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why do you exist
foxymcfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars?
I could really use a wish right now, wish right now, wish right now
Can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars?
I could really use a wish right now, wish right now, wish right now
Wiki_pedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A story about space exploration and Timmy fucking survived??
surrounded_by_ghosts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This reads like a song.
kingjames420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are my rock
ILIKEFUUD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love that last line, what a beautiful poem :)
Gojira0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...holy shit.
Gabbster19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You nail it every time.
billytheid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one bought a little tear of hope to my eye
bernie5690 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah holy fuck. This one is the most beautiful one yet, and I've seen a lot of sproggies
T-Rexauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The punctuation really sets the pace. Love it.
voluptulon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really like this one. It seems so different from your usual style. The cadence sounds particularly serene but excited
matrem_ki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is easily my favorite that you've done. It's wonderful. You make me happy.
CarbonChains ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was absolutely amazing.
FeralDrood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sprog, are you going to make a book with context of your poems? Cuz you should.
Dica92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will someone please make this into a song?
mfwraith1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dammit Sproggie, stop making me like poetry!
Afalstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is the first one of yours Ive seen that didn't have some joke at the end.
CarnegieMellons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No joke, this is inspiring. Saving this with your permission to print out for my two daughters. They are both young (6 and 4) but love all things space and science. This is an uplifting poem and would be something they could remember easily.
PhantomLegends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This gave me goosebumps.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I was reading "outside" and "pride" i was expecting the end to somehow turn into "timmy fucking died" again
shyamo90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are so great at writing poems. How?
Sly_Meme ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anyone ever tell you you're not funny?
FR3D99 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:23:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This one. This is is really, really fucking good. Amazing how I usually can never appreciate poetry but still be amazed at the word play you can come up with.
Kenzo_2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is there still no gold?!
GenericMemesxd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that gave me goosebumps
ChargedMedal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:52:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:)
Apatomoose ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Timmy dreamed of life on Mars
Timmy really tried
But Timmy's ship came down too fast
And Timmy fucking died
tntmod54321 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RedditSilver!
Springpeen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my god. You're still alive?
GenesisEra ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:01:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OH GOD THEY PUT THRUSTERS ON PHOBOS
ITS A COLONY DROP
Chuchoter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:40:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't recognize your poem without Timmy dying.
PM_ME_BAGEL_PORN ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Timmy fucking died
Cenarang117 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then Timmy fucking died
ikkeookniet ยท 129 points ยท Posted at 12:28:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preferably a Mars colony. Just there and back isn't going to be that much use.
[deleted] ยท 448 points ยท Posted at 14:11:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mortss ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 07:28:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like defeatism to me.
[deleted] ยท 104 points ยท Posted at 13:21:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mortss ยท 92 points ยท Posted at 15:37:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because you'll probably just move the space goalposts when i do.
[deleted] ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 17:13:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Mortss ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 18:07:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have a saying here in Denmark.
Moral er godt, men dobbeltmoral er dobbelt sรฅ godt.
:P
OurSuiGeneris ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:21:53 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And in English?
Mortss ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 08:39:06 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having a standard is good, but a double standard is double as good.
The best translation i could come up with.
cATSup24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:00 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, I've actually heard an English version of that. "Standards are good, but double standards are doubly good." Pretty much exactly the same.
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 08:41:38 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OurSuiGeneris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:51 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even bother with idioms
butterflydrowner ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 07:08:55 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still you.
Dekar2401 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 08:23:13 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The goal post is Mars. No changing that in this argument.
btarded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:53 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
somebody will
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meanwhile our current space robots have to be abandoned because a wheel became stuck in some loose soil.
PostPostModernism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:26 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a problem that would be solved if we had a Mars base. We could go give it a shove.
shoez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:09 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a hole in the bucket, and it's on Mars.
Arrow156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:17 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best bet would be to send a minimal amount of mining/refining equipment to the moon; build and ship your equipment from there.
shoez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:19 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mining, smelting, forging steel on the moon? That sounds pretty hard too.
Arrow156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:36 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes, but a feat far easier to do than on Mars. The moon is a natural jumping off point for human space exploration. It's consistently close, has low gravity so payloads require far less fuel to get into orbit, and nearly any encounter we would need to overcome on Mars would also be true of the moon. The big difference is that it only take a week to get to the moon for repairs/rescue unlike the months or years Mars would take.
If we are gonna put a man on Mars then we're gonna need a moon base.
C0lMustard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:58 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could figure out a space elevator or something else that significantly reduces the cost to get to low earth, an actual backhoe might do it.
to_pass_time ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:13 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Throw money at it and it'll be done
paceminterris ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 10:01:21 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realism sounds like defeatism when you have unrealistic expectations.
panfist ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:41:11 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's just explaining the challenges and putting them in the perspective of whether or not a colony is feasible in our life times.
Gravitom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:51 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would think you would need a fully independent space station for a few decades, then a lunar base for a few decades and then start thinking about coming colonizing Mars.
kaworo0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:53 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we should prove we can built long lasting underwater colonies before we try to attempt space stuff. Build Rapture, test people's reaction, then go ahead and try to do that stuff in space.
flashmedallion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:40 on September 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What blows my mind is how few and far between the attempts to colonize the oceans are.
I understand there are significant difficulties in that too, but the effort/reward ratio is so much better. There's a lot of space under there, and lots of water too.
We don't even need to start at the bottom of the sea. Just start at the beach and work your way down.
DeemDNB ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 00:59:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but on the flip side like imagine boning on Mars bro like banging a Martian like that would be lit as fuck lmao
[deleted] ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 17:22:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DeemDNB ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 00:17:01 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man fuck this universe
P__Squared ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 19:32:28 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true. The author of Riding Rockets described waking up with painful morning wood during his space shuttle flights.
Dekar2401 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:23:50 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do not underestimate my perversions.
no-mad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:00:59 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't a couple on the shuttle do it for science?
PM_ME_MESSY_BUNS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:44 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
explain
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:55 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gravity pulls blood down, your body is designed for this. In zero-G, your blood pressure equalizes: in your upper body it goes up and in your lower body goes down.
Nihilistic-Fishstick ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 15:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, to think otherwise is nothing short of living in a movie plot. There's no way anything close to colonisation will happen in our lifetime, or that of the next generation.
eterevsky ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:53:41 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... Unless we achieve big advances in fields like robotics, which is actually possible.
shoez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:10 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What problem do the robots solve? If they are replacing human pilots and astronauts, they are only replacing a tiny amount of the spaceship weight that makes everything so hard.
eterevsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:38 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Building and maintaining bigger living space. Producing more replacement parts on the spot (current 3D-printing is the first step).
Additionally, advances in medicine can mitigate the problems with radiation.
I agree that with current technologies Mars colony is infeasible. But with technologies from 2050s it may be feasible, depending on which technological fields will have breakthroughs until then.
MustLoveLoofah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:19 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They could build it, then we could come
ididnoteatyourcat ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 06:07:46 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The correct analogy would be pressurized to 2 atmospheres, since in that case the gauge differential would be 1 atmosphere.
BurningChicken ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 14:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great reply, and you didn't even really mention the infrastructure problem. Here on earth almost every industry is connected with dozens or hundreds of other industries. Everything would have to be shipped from earth because manufacturing would be almost non-existant.
Qix213 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:21:58 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make a good point. Every little thing like the 2 cent rubber seals on the hydraulics. Hell, do those even work in that sort of environment.
It really would require us to have a space bound manufacturing industry before colonization.
EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:20:23 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well if our 3d printing technology has some leaps and bounds then it would be feasible to make a lot of stuff over there. Huge bonus points if you can somehow use things over there in the production of the 3d 'ink' (powder)
Hotblack_Desiato_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:18 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that as the sophistication of 3D printing increases, this will be less and less of a problem. I think it'll actually be a non-issue in 40 years.
samesesame ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 18:28:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was a great read and the last paragraph was beautifully written.
Now do another planet.
waldito ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:23 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So. Beautiful.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:48:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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P__Squared ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:35:53 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you ever read Titan by Stephen Baxter? On the whole it was not a very good book, but his descriptions of how a long-duration space flight would mostly be squalor and misery were spot-on. Living on a Mars colony would probably suck even more than being on an old-school sailing ship during the Age of Exploration (minus the flogging.)
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 01:12:44 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I keep trying to explain this to people but everyone wants to believe that living in space will be like Star Trek.
Bobo_bobbins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:16 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Set your phasers to luxury.
billdietrich1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:42:56 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll take that gamble with animals first.
There IS some water on Mars. And water will be recycled.
morganrbvn ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:37:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think we aren't there yet, but we will defenitly be able to survive without the earth biosphere eventually.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:35:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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morganrbvn ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:38:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We wouldn't need to get rid of our bodies.
Frank_Bigelow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:03 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What?
I'm having a hard time reconciling the fact that the person who wrote that thoughtful, grounded, realistic post about present-day human colonization of Mars also wrote this sci-fi fantasy gobbledegook.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:51 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, right? It's like I was just bullshitting on the Internet!
Who's to say that we couldn't one day succeed in emulating a human brain? They've been working on it for a while now, the idea is to computationally model every individual neuron in a brain. IMO it's no less far-fetched than the idea of mining raw materials on Mars and manufacturing complex machinery in situ.
Frank_Bigelow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, fair enough.
I disagree, though. As I see it, the real, known barriers to Mars colonization are primarily logistical ones. We have no way to send enough equipment, food, oxygen, etc. to Mars to support permanent human habitation. But logistical problems are solvable, and the equipment and techniques we'd need to use already exist and just need improvement.
Electronically emulating a human brain would require advances in science on the same level as creating new entirely fields of science.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:11 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it would allow "us" (would it really be "us"?) to sidestep all of the things that make space travel prohibitive. We all have our opinions, but I when I look at how our technology is progressing, I see the space-age technologies of rocketry and space life support hitting real barriers while our computational abilities seem to have none. Same goes for bioinformatics and genetic engineering.
On interstellar trips, perhaps brain-emulating AIs would act as stewards, operating the spacecraft for the 100,000 year trip and carrying the biological raw materials to build new human embryos from the cell up and gestate them in artificial wombs. Their genomes could even be tailored to suit the new planet.
TTTA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:39 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That "thoughtful, grounded, realistic post about present-day human colonization of Mars" is actually full of factual inaccuracies and based on poor assumptions; the author is well outside of their area of expertise. The top comment on the /r/depthhub link pulls it apart nicely. To summarize it: Mars isn't that cold, they clearly don't understand pressure differentials, water is abundant and will be recycled anyways, reduced gravity doesn't do nearly as much harm as microgravity (though fetal development will likely be an issue), and Martian regolith is a wonderful building material.
A permanent presence on Mars inside one generation is possible. Living conditions won't be great, the soil is toxic, and the air is practically non-existent, but it's possible with a few technological advancements (primarily in propulsion and automation).
Iorith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best case would be uploading into nanite swarm bodies that can reconfigure to adapt to the environment, but that's just sci fi speculation right now. I can dream though.
twodoggies ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then.
frankster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:05:45 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surely, before we even contemplate living on Mars for any amount of time, we should have people who have been living on the moon for years. Which implies a more-or-less self-sufficient moonbase, which implies a lot of robots up there building stuff for us.
So I would argue that the fastest route to a (non-childish) expedition to mars would be to invest heavily in robots.
billdietrich1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:09:53 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, we should be running a self-sustaining colony in the interior of Antarctica for a while (years), before we trying doing such a thing on Moon or Mars.
MaxMouseOCX ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 07:16:39 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't argue with any of this, but we can't stay here... Sooner or later we're going to have to expand away from earth or face dying with it.
The task of keeping the leaf alive will have to become one of grafting that leaf onto a new root stock, no one said it would be easy but if we don't do it what's the point? We expand, it's what we do.
billdietrich1 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:02:57 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're talking about a planet-killer asteroid, those can hit Mars or the Moon or a space colony just as easily as they can hit Earth.
If you're talking about climate change or nuclear war, I don't think those would kill the human race.
shawnaroo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:30:20 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not about finding a spot that's magically immune to disasters, it's about adding a second location so that if one is compromised then there's a backup.
Sure, Mars is basically as likely to get hit by a huge asteroid as the Earth is, but the odds of them both taken a devastating hit are much lower.
billdietrich1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:42:39 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but our chances of establishing a viable large population on Mars in the foreseeable future is very low. Because of physics, chemistry, biology. If we lose Earth, we're screwed.
shawnaroo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:40 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely, but you've got to start somewhere. It's a longer term project for sure. A lot of the tech that will be needed to make it sustainable likely can't/won't be developed before habitation if Mars actually gets underway, so the sooner we get started the sooner progress starts being made.
billdietrich1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:00 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we're starting the wrong way, I think. Instead of manned missions, we should be focusing on:
Building a self-sustaining colony in the interior of Antarctica, as a testbed.
Surface-to-orbit propulsion; until we bring cost down by 100x, everything else is crippled.
Send robots to moon and Mars, not manned missions. Manned missions waste most of their resources keeping the people alive and returning them to home.
Thameus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:59 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On a million year scale you may have a point, but if you want to get there we need to figure out how to ensure surviving the next ten thousand years right here on what's left of the Earth.
3_50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You certainly can...
AJB115 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:28:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest issue is the lack of a magnetosphere. If that can be solved, then the rest is comparatively easy. You melt the polar ice caps and flood the basins to create oceans of water. The atmosphere repressurizes, Martian temperatures increase, we start terraforming, and plants can grow and spread. Then you send humans.
Basically, we're not adjusting our bodies to match the new environment. We're recreating Earth so that a colony becomes a possibility.
Maybe it happens in our lifetime if we live to see another century.
TheTT ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:34:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The martian ice caps are CO2, which will take care of the athmosphere. Water is underground (if anywhere).
BullockHouse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 08:57:04 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't true. The ice caps are a mix of water and CO2. Also, yes, there is definitely water underground on Mars. That's settled science.
magic_missile ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:22:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be interested in this then:
https://phys.org/news/2017-03-nasa-magnetic-shield-mars-atmosphere.html
It's a bit out there, but I enjoyed reading about it.
magic_missile ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:23:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is what terraforming is for in the long run. Right now all our eggs are in one basket. It will take a lot of work to build another one, but it starts with actually going there and checking it out.
shouldbebabysitting ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all true but we have to do it anyway. The Sun won't last forever. We might as well start moving now.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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phunphun ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 07:35:17 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still small in comparison with the history of our biosphere
no-mad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:02:54 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By then we will have control of the sun and be able to adjust it's rate of burn.
cosmic_censor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:04:20 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just need to siphon material off of the sun. A smaller sun would be less luminous and it would also last much, much longer.
no-mad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:16:53 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got the dyson sphere ready.
3_50 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:11 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it isn't.
i_may_be_fake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:57:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man I was excited about Mars until you came along :(
BullockHouse ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 08:57:36 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of his facts are wrong, if it makes you feel any better (just for starters, Mars average temperature is only 30 degrees colder than antarctica).
kylco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:22:24 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And for another, Mars has water all over the place. It doesn't flow liquid like here, sure, but if you put a colony where there's no water it's kind of your fault. Water is also the simplest solution to the perchlorate problem, by far.
This is really talking about the problems as if they're so insurmountable that they'll never be even considered, and will always be too expensive. It's a very squalid way of seeing human progress, this dim view of our ability to overcome challenges.
billdietrich1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:26:54 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, he gets some facts wrong, and is too pessimistic about the physical obstacles. The biological obstacles may be greater.
But some dose of realism is necessary. People are talking the same way about Mars colonies as they did about Moon colonies about 50 years ago.
billdietrich1 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:23:43 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And we've had such success with running a self-sustaining colony in Antarctica.
In a place where atmospheric pressure is about 1/150th that of Earth, I'm not sure it's so useful that temperature right on the surface is somewhat-moderate at times. Get 1 foot above that surface, you're closer to the temperatures of space.
And the Mars average surface temperature is no picnic: "Differing in situ values have been reported for the average temperature on Mars,[20] with a common value being โ55 ยฐC (218 K; โ67 ยฐF)." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Mars#Temperature
Also, temperature VARIATION is an issue. "Martian surface temperatures vary from lows of about โ143 ยฐC (โ225 ยฐF) at the winter polar caps[10] to highs of up to 35 ยฐC (95 ยฐF) in equatorial summer." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars#Climate And "The diurnal cycle is similar to that of Earth on a clear day except for the much greater Martian temperature variation of 113 ยฐ F, (63 ยฐ C)." from http://www-k12.atmos.washington.edu/k12/resources/mars_data-information/temperature_overview.html That will be hard on materials.
KhanneaSuntzu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:00:10 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So yu are saying mars will only be colonized from space down and after we have established massive infrastructure in near earth orbit. We need to assemble the resources in Mars orbit and then go in with all the equipment in one go. That pushes back settlement there about what, a century?
quixilistic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 09:19:00 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never unless we actually want to go.
billdietrich1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:08:09 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or it may mean we need a couple of centuries of robots operating on Mars to build stuff for us before humans can really live there. And even then, humans will mostly be living underground, and maybe not reproducing there.
KhanneaSuntzu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:45:41 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, there is another way of looking at this.
Humanity is on the cusp of change. We are changing in to something not human and it is very difficult to appreciate the full scope of this. If we get lucky with AI then AI will be extensional - we think about human (not boring) matters while AI meshes with the human and contends itself with not boring stuff. This combination is guarantee to be exponential in all its endeavors. A single human will be intimately surrounded by a nimbus of technological solution-makers. Humans 100 years from now will be completely unlike as we are today. Likewise technology, when sufficiently advanced and take off world has the potential to expand exponential, given practically limitless energy and access to floating mountains of resources. There is no weather and erosion in space, and you can create intricate 3D industrial structures far more efficient than anything we can do on a planetary surface.
Hence I conclude that taking all things built by humans (roads, bridges, spoons, houses, internet, detroit) will pale in significance next to what can be constructed off-world. I can see this advance according to an exponential track - right now we have a few thousand tons of materials off world. Once we cross a certain treshold that quantity will go exponential. I firmly believe that once, if we do this, the total mass in space will enter doubling rates, vaguely akin to Moore's law, and less than a century what's actively constructed in space will far exceed what is on Earth. By orders of magnitude.
I do not believe at all in doing stuff in gravity wells. The only reason to go to Mars surface and live there is for sentimental reasons. Turn the place in to a garden, that sort of thing. You can't meaningfully industrialize the planet. So you can "hobby" around in the martial regolith and create domed gardens for a century. I only see eccentrics and religious nuts bother with that. I believe Mars will never be interesting until we get around to dismantling it for Dyson sphere material.
ZeitVox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:06 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, something more akin to Ian M. Banks in rough outline.
Jdonavan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:41:25 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are two types of people. Those that see hard problems as obstacles and reasons to quit and those that see them as challenges that need to be solved.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:46 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot those who keep bashing their heads against obstacles that just aren't going anywhere. There are lots of them too.
koomapotilas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:15 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To successfully colonize Mars requires technology we don't have yet. Maybe in future we could send an AI with some robots to build the Mars base. The humans could arrive to a readily built underground 5 star hotel. Throw in some artificial spin gravity, virtual reality, futuristic medicine, robot slaves, etc. and life on an alien sterile planet could be quite comfortable.
farox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:57 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Matt Damon mentioned none of that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:22 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also showed us that you can hold back 14.7 psi of habitat pressure with sheets of plastic.
Tired8281 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:32 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to latch on to this tiny part of your excellent comment, but what is the mechanism by which zero G causes permanent blindness?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:20 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shape of the eyeball is changed by the lack of gravity, and alarmingly the eye doesn't return to its original shape when the astronaut returns to Earth.
3_50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:51 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/DepthHub/comments/6t59ui/umeat_confetti_explains_some_of_the_enormous/dlihf0a/
cornylamygilbert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Granted all the atmospheric challenges, we'd send robots to mine and build 3D printers to factory produce construction materials, build drones to fuxk wth the atmosphere and build a climate, basically we wouldn't send people until we had something better than an Antarctic research base style habitable environment.
Turnbills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:04 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I appreciate the time it took you to write all of this. I will say that your focus on the technical side of things (which is very accurate) actually leaves yourself open to being wrong as soon as any technology comes along that might be able to solve those issues, though.
The real issue of a surviving Mars Colony isn't technical I don't think. Most of the problems you listed could probably be dealt with if massive amounts of financial resources were poured into solving them. Even with today's technology a lot could be done. That's the problem though - there is no incentive for anybody to pour that level of capital into a project like this with no foreseeable returns anytime soon if ever at all, beyond feeling good about yourself.
It's incredibly hard to get the population excited and interested and willing to sacrifice quality of life here, now, at home for an idea as abstract as space colonization.
I am a huge fan of space, sci-fi, and all their interactions. I think we should be doing everything we can to expand our knowledge in terms of space and that means doing a lot more out there. But I harbour no delusions that a working colony on Mars in my lifetime is not achievable without rapid, fundamental changes in the political and economic systems of the world. It's possible, and in fact those fundamental changes are probably going to have to be made out of necessity sometime this century. Either that or something a lot less ideal will happen and if that's the case (global war, massive shortages, and their direct and indirect problems) space will surely not be high on anybody's priority list.
I'm hoping for the former, but mostly expecting the latter given our history
Spoonshape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:09:31 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we do build a mars colony, it will mostly not be done by people. The rovers have proven we can send machines there which can operate for several years. It might be possible to bootstrap robots eventually which would make it just about technically possible.
We do need to do a lot of research on it right here on earth and in close space before we begin to try this though. Your points on humans just being badly designed for anywhere except earth will remain true for the forseeable future I think. The technical problems can be fixed, but the human body (and mind) is not changable to any significant degree.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:58 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're ever able to make robots that are that autonomous and capable, why would people ever need to go? Their life support and comfort needs would only be a burden.
I have to say that I'm amazed that I'm still getting replies to this a month after I wrote it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:57 on October 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like for every major scientific discovery, someone has made these "I'm deeply skeptical" posts. There are always challenges for great than achievement
ratelbadger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:40:13 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea that not one small group of us could be trained or changed to survive at least the emotional, if not the physical... I mean just fucking take the cowards way out this morning if you think that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:21:04 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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billdietrich1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:30:30 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's a Columbus analogy that matches the space situation better:
Suppose Columbus and his band of merry men sailed the ocean blue in 1492 and found the New World.
And found it was like Antarctica is today: 98% covered with ice a mile thick, with average summer temperature of maybe 20F and average winter temperature of maybe -20F.
Do you think Cristoforo would have said:
"Okay, guys, let's not get discouraged. Off-hand, I don't see any of the cities of gold or Fountains of Youth we expected, but I'm still sure they must be here somewhere. We just need to hold onto the dream, step up to the challenge, extend the limits of the possible, plan for success, keep thinking positively. After all, we're an adventurous, exploring species; we need to push the frontiers. The New World is our destiny ! Let's go back and tell the Queen she should give me a medal and lots of money, and send lots more ships over here."
No, more likely he'd have said:
"Well, crap. Look at this place. It's a wasteland ! What do we do now ? Sure, we could establish a tiny colony, and the guys in it could search for gold or something, but I'm not optimistic. We'd have to supply them with every bit of their food, liquor, firewood, clothing, tools from Europe. And if anything serious went wrong, if they got scurvy, or the food spoiled, or bears attacked, or a blizzard buried the firewood, or one of the re-supply ships sank, they'd all die. They'd starve, or freeze, or starve and then freeze. The heck with this place. Back to Europe !"
And he'd be right. If you get to a new place and it turns out to be pretty worthless, you don't ramp up a huge effort to invest a lot more there.
The point is, we know a fair amount about Mars and the Moon etc. We're right to keep investigating, keep trying. But we aren't in the situation of Columbus before he sailed the first time.
Ysmir_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:48 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well ya you're right, we're not in the same situation. Ours is much more important. The most important reason to reach Mars isnt adventure and exploration (and even if it was theres nothing wrong with that), no the most important reason is that we need to get off Earth eventually or the species will die. Mars is like a refuelling platform to assist us in future colonizations attempt to go further. We need to invest there if we ever want to be alive in the (far distant) future.
billdietrich1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:22 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, we need to get out into space. Manned missions are the wrong way to do it. Send robots. Maybe in a century or two, we'll have built a viable destination on another world.
Dekar2401 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:10 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That dust is a holy chemical given to us by the Omnissiah; we should not squander its profound effects on our lungs.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DunderMilflin ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:41:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's really not though. Even if you don't make it to Mars you're still a fucking astronaut.
kdoughboy ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If this isn't sarcasm (I hope it is), "astronaut" isn't really a career, per se. Astronauts are typically highly educated and highly trained engineers or scientists. We need more people in STEM, not less, so it's really a good thing that lots of kids are "making careers of being the 'First Astronaut to Mars'" because ultimately they will end up contributing to society through careers in technical fields.
AP246 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see why a 1 year Mars mission as depicted in the Martian is out of our grasp. Colonisation is another matter, but flags and footprints seems comparatively possible.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Due to the way the orbital mechanics work, even the shortest mission would have astronauts in space for well over a year. There are two major types of Mars mission being discussed:
The first one involves sending the ship as Earth is "overtaking" Mars. The ship lands 9 months later and the astronauts have about one month to spend on the surface before they have to leave and "catch up" to the Earth before it pulls away from Mars. Because the ship will be chasing the Earth, the return trip will take over a year.
The other option is to go there and stay for two years, waiting for Earth to "lap" Mars and be in the right position for a return trip.
Contradiction11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:27:40 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This was absolutely beautiful, and sobering. We will need far, far better technology, and will certainly have to shed the Level 1 Civilization hostility we have towards each other now.
LegendofBurger ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:25 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an outstanding reply.
I'd not considered so many of those practical matters.
But I've always felt the existential weight of disconnection from humanity and our home would eventually be more than the vast majority of willing colonists could cope with.
Still, no baths ever seems a fare
LegendofBurger ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:25 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is an outstanding reply.
I'd not considered so many of those practical matters.
But I've always felt the existential weight of disconnection from humanity and our home would eventually be more than the vast majority of willing colonists could cope with.
Still, no baths ever is a fate I'm not even willing to contemplate.
Edit: typos
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 06:26:20 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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paceminterris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:07:55 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time and resources are the PRIMARY CONSTRAINTS on ANY endeavour, and frequently they are always the LIMITING ONES. Your argument is about as useless as "I can build anything if I am given unlimited money!"
akaobama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:38 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point is this. Get out of the habit of putting more energy into the "why it'll take forever to happen perspective". Put more energy into the, "what we have to do to make it happen". Time is a relative spatial dimension, being poorly used by humans like you. My argument is as strong as anyone who ever made any sort of technological stride worth mentioning. Your rebuttal is as strong as anything coming out of trumps mouth. Good day, and I pray for the expansion of your mind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:59 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You, my friend, are a net entropy generating organism, as are we all and every other living thing.
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:29:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, I'd prefer to see that (and that's probably what would happen because of the time it takes) but I'd be happy with whatever they do as long as they get there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GiantSpaceWhale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please no. Mars needs to take a long time to get to.
druedan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does it need to? That doesn't make any sense.
GiantSpaceWhale ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lots of reasons, just... think about it. One day there will be people on Mars, perhaps a rather sizeable population. Those people will probably end up deciding that they want to do their society differently than Earth, which is almost entirely capitalist. At first the Martian colonies will be owned by Earth's countries and corporations, but the people settling there will not put up with that for very long, for they will wish to make it their own, in their own vision. Whether that be some kind of new pseudo-democratic-communism, or an energy-based economy, or anything else, it will probably (hopefully) be radically different than the status-quo on Earth.
Mars is a chance to start over, to try something new. They need the breathing room to be able to do that, if they so wish. You cannot do that on Earth anymore, except maybe Antarctica, but even then you'd have the voices and militaries of every country breathing down your back to do things their way.
The reason America's founding fathers were allowed so much time to debate and write the constitutions that they did was because back then it took time to travel from the powerful nations of Europe to the Americas. This took place over several hundred years, but one of the biggest reasons (not the only reason) America was able to vie for independence was it's distance.
Right now it takes about 9 months to get to Mars if you leave at the optimal orbital trajectory. If that's lowered to 1 month, which it could be with better rockets etc., then most of what I previously said goes out the window. People will be able to return back to Earth, thus never giving them the incentive to turn Mars into their new home. Additionally, Earth's nations and corporations will be able to more readily send disciplinary troops, missiles, etc., while the new developing planet stays mostly defenseless.
The reason that capitalist and communist states cannot coexist on Earth is because they threaten eachother. Capitalist nations expect growth and they want to be able to sell their shit to communist ones and/or exploit their resources and labor pool. Communist nations want to protect themselves from that, and as such they seek to create more communist countries. I may not have done a very good job at explaining that, lol, but this is very apparent in Cold War history.
This is why a new form of society that's different from the influences of capitalism actually has a shot on Mars.
to the downvotes: I said nothing about the lack of democracy on Mars.
lars330 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:55:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately a "pointless" mission is more or less required to get more support and funding for such a thing.
ocarina_21 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just send Matt Damon. He'll sort it out.
MintyADL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:08:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gotta start somewhere
cubs_070816 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:43:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they ain't coming back, bro...
lars330 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:54:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
??
cubs_070816 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you really think that's a 2-way trip? one way, dude. we can't even land a shuttle anymore...
GiantSpaceWhale ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:29:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of people really wouldn't care if it's a 1 way trip. I'd go.
AP246 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuel can theoretically be produced on Mars. Yes, the astronauts would have to wait a year or two for the next transfer window and for everything to be ready, but an empty ship can ne refueled and sent back to Earth.
cubs_070816 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and potatoes can theoretically be grown in human waste.
to be clear, i don't think a lack of fuel is why this will be a one-way trip.
Orionsbelt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We chose to abandon the shuttle because frankly it was a limited vehicle that cost a shit ton. 2-Way trips are more than possible once you have some infrastructure there or use ISRU.
cubs_070816 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:07:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dude, the columbia disintegrated 14 yrs ago.
i'm not shitting on NASA, i'm simply pointing out that the technology is still quite limited, the logistics are mind-boggling, and there's a fair chance this journey won't end well. fingers crossed and all that, and i believe we'll get there in our lifetimes; i just wouldn't guarantee a return trip.
and honestly, one-way makes more sense. ask for older, single volunteers, let them go there, live and gather data as long as possible, then bite a suicide pill when the time comes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mars one is planning to do that...'soon'
TheFiredrake42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There and Back Again, an Astronaut's Tale
Kijafa ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 12:13:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think of how famous the Mars Neil-Armstrong-analogue will be too. We've just gotta hope he (or she) has the same kind of steely cool.
michaelsamcarr ยท 62 points ยท Posted at 13:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phillip J Fry?
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 13:14:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're twice the 'the' he ever was!
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:15:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason NASA told Armstrong to go out first instead of Aldrin was because he was a much more humble guy. I'd imagine whoever gets to be the first person to step on Mars will be specifically chosen for the same reason.
Klaus_Goldfish ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:02:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't help imagining someone stepping out of the lander, and going "Yup...", then sighing.
AP246 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Welp. There it is."
Klaus_Goldfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Needs more Hank Hill: Whelp.
SimbaOnSteroids ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:05:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just saying whoever funds that expedition will be the modern day equivalent of historically inaccurate American grade school perception of Christopher Columbusโข ,except you know IRL. Looking like it's going to be Elon Musk atm.
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Jeff.
SimbaOnSteroids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeff may have a bigger bankroll but he doesn't have the same drive. Mars is Musk's Szechuan Sauce, Jeff's is simply to make money.
snow_michael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Bazalgate
http://www.mars-one.com/
SimbaOnSteroids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iirc Mars one is largely vaporware.
snow_michael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad but probably true
But there is a metric fucktonne* of money behind it, so someone somewhere is going to have to account for all that - it might actually be cheaper just to send four hopeless dweebs off into space to die than actually try to avoid doing anything
*Which, as any fule kno, is ~2% smaller than an Imperial fuckton
NittanySteve ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you just assume the astronaut has a gender?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You never assume that someone assumed a gender!
morganrbvn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
John boone?
stonepaperscissor ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really would love for it to be a she.
[deleted] ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 12:31:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will slightly one-up that. I want to see the first baby born on Mars.
InflatableStego ยท 47 points ยท Posted at 13:46:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And I will one-up that one-up: MARTIAN INDEPENDENCE!
DrumOutAndPlay ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:37:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But only after the Martian Revolution. And dumping all the space tea into the space harbor.
Shoenbreaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic twist: Mars asks for independence and Earth agrees and works together for a mutually beneficial treaty.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sieg Zeon!
erx98 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:22:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This seems like more of a Tekkadan thing really.
wranglingmonkies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then I want stealth ships from mars.
DarkFlounder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that won't happen until President Clark is removed from office and placed under arrest.
surrounded_by_ghosts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's one up that one... HUMAN SLAVERY!
shotgunnedhead ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since we are making babies. Mar's porn
TheFiredrake42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If his name isn't Michael Valentine Smith, I'll be very disappointed...
phickey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I grok that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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vmcreative ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:13:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If humans ever establish a colony there, Martian births are basically inevitable.
Chilton82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll one up that: I'd like to be the first baby born on Mars.
Max_Thunder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will very slightly one-down that. I want to see the first humans having sex on Mars.
Max_Thunder ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will very slightly one-down that. I want to see the first humans having sex on Mars.
๐๏ธ cath91 ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 11:01:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here. It would be amazing.
Blinkdog ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 11:49:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First death by old age on Mars.
undercooked_lasagna ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First death by alien queen on Mars.
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First human killed by alien warship.
jackkerouac81 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can guarantee I will never see that one...
mypostisbad ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:28:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, we could just fire old people at Mars.
ckemtp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:58:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I volunteer to be the trigger person for the Elder-Firing Mars Cannon.
It isn't that I have anything but love for our elderly, but I have a feeling that a lot of elderly people would LOVE to be shot out of a large cannon towards Mars rather than dying of something significantly less awesome
Blinkdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I figure ~15 years minimum under ideal conditions before one way trips start. My guess is most colonists are going on subsided tickets with fitness requirements, but all it takes is one rich old nerd with an undiagnosed condition to cut the horizon to only a few years beyond that.
jackkerouac81 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we usually don't call people dying in their 40's as dying of old age... I am 36, that means the trip leaves when I am 51... they wont colonize for another 50 years after that... lets assume the oldest person they send is 40... they live another 40... never mind that they wont actually permanently colonize mars at all... but I wont see 140 years of age...
Ellsworth_Chewie ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 11:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best thing about this is that it is actually likely to happen.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:55:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a pretty liberal use of the word "likely."
Ellsworth_Chewie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:59:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I plan to live for at least another 50 years. By that time everyone and their mum will be rocking it on Mars, right? Right?
leiphos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:14:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered how everyone manages to have the same mother. What a strange world we live in.
NeotericLeaf ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, probably by China/India.
nism0o3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:24:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then China will be like "yep, this is all ours because we said so", but you know, in Mandarin.
LordCharco_iii ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which, when translated back into English, would be "it is us and we say yes"
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or a private organization like SpaceX.
Given our current political climate, I don't see a Mars mission happening through a government agency any time soon.
BlueLightningFlash ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:49:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't be surprised if NASA did a 'boots and a flag' mission with the SLS sometime in the mid to late 2030s, but I have a feeling a SpaceX craft will do it before that. If they can get their full scale ITS idea going by then, we could see a colony in the 2040s or 50s after some missions with a downscale one likely to be announced in September.
Ellsworth_Chewie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:33:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How so?
PunktualPenguin ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US keeps slashing away at NASA's budget as if it was responsible for all of the military spending.
It accounts for less than .5% of the federal budget but they vote to cut it every time.
They also vote to keep increasing military spending far above what the pentagon asks for. So yeah America took itself out of that race decades ago.
wpiman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:48:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Military spending has been pretty consistent-- and some of those dollars end up in NASAs hands.
Agreed through; we should be funding NASA more. We need to cut entitlement spending for the wealthy.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:49:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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DarthSatoris ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:12:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you heard about this here secret space program they have going on down in Cheyenne Mountain?
John_Q_Deist ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're likely to get downvoted, but this is absolutely truth.
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much this. Stuff like the X-37B really show that there is significant advancement happening, just not visible to the public.
Eatsweden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASAs budget is still huge. IIIRC it is bigger then the next 3 space programs together
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but tiny compared to what they had during Apollo.
NeotericLeaf ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who else is gonna do it?
Ellsworth_Chewie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:39:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find this depressing
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:21:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SpaceX
snow_michael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Endemol
[deleted] ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 11:56:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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OtiumIsLife ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:40:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you been sleeping under a rock?
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 12:52:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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leiphos ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong. Both countries have a majority of citizens in dire poverty. Rural India has one of the lowest standards of living in the world. A country that can't provide food, water or basic sanitation is not going to beat us to Mars.
It does make for a good news story, and you're going to see Redditors downvoting us because they get all their news from Facebook and TV unfortunately.
NeotericLeaf ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:50:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes you're in the minority (and downvoted) for a reason, because not many people are wrong about this in the way that is shared by you and /u/Eticology .
First of all, how can you apply the terminology of 'third world country' to one that has sent people into space and have some of the highest net worth industries? Just because there are still regions where poverty is a huge issue (just like us in the U.S btw), it does not classify a country as third world.
Secondly, this.
I mean come on guys, get a clue. Go watch some video of Shanghai, Beijing, or Hong Kong and tell me it is a third world country that is incapable of putting a person on Mars.
Eticology ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downvotes don't mean anything except that you pissed someone off. And just because they're mad, doesn't mean you're wrong. This is especially true when it comes to talking negative about China, a country known for censoring all criticism and stamping out any negativity about their country or government.
You didn't even acknowledge that people still shit on the street in China. You're too busy trying to spin it in some positive way by ignoring the original question.
Afghanistan has been to space. So has Cuba. And Kazkahstan. It's not a good indicator of a first world country. The Soviet Union had the first man in space, and sent plenty of people there as well. But they did it in an effort to beat the US, not for their own purposes. That's what China is doing now. This whole "fake it til you make it" deal that China has been doing for the past decade was the same thing the Soviet Union was doing and it didn't end well for them. Unfortunately, that's exactly where China is headed as well.
Not even one generation ago was China a nation of 80%+ peasant farmers. How can you seriously consider the country to be anything other than third world with that kind of legacy still stamped on it's forehead?
NeotericLeaf ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow.
Eticology ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that what you say when you see people shitting on the street in China? Or are you just used to it by now?
jaybestnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole fact that space mining of asteroids could bring back enough precious metals to overwhelm the world economy seemed pretty clear to me, a good reason to be pushing for NASA to go do that.
What is incredible is that for every dollar spent on NASA, $16- $22 is returned to the US economy. Crazy that they have to fight for funding.
NeotericLeaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally agree. I think that NASA has done a horrible job selling themselves ever since the moon landing.
Sadly, the general public thinks NASA is already getting way too much of the budget because they think space is a fruitless venture.
Politicians know this, so the only time they bring up NASA is to talk about 'firsts' because Americans suddenly care when they think that another country might put someone on Mar's 'first'.
It is easy to lose touch with the popular opinion by hanging around sites like Reddit. Space X has helped a lot, but most people still see it as a waste of funds.
NASA should advertise for votes and donations, in my opinion.
jaybestnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The approach that Science has made is to push for more scientistists to run for office.
The level of beaurocratic bullshit that NASA had to deal with is far more to blame than their ability to influence or lobby for funds.
The politicians even had a rocket launch where every part was made in a different state from materials that favored different regions. When that sort of nonsense happens, you are wasting money and time; and worse, putting lives at risk.
I just glance over at the military budget at 54% of the entire disgressionary budget.
More money spent on military than the next 11 combined.
Tiny fractions of that spend could fund cancer research, science or healthcare...
scotthan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:03:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just space tourism please. Not ultra rich people only, but like cruises in space and trips to a moonbase!
vanilladzilla ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm disappointed to see this so high and upvoted. Another poster said it perfectly. Enthusiasm about this topic is usually childish and short-sighted.
magic_missile ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am sorry you feel that way.
vanilladzilla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least I put my reason. What is your post contributing to the conversation?
For the record, I'm all for spending as rapidly as possible on as many unmanned missions as possible. It's the manned part which appeals to emotion and not reason that I have a problem with.
magic_missile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The easy thing to cite is the tremendous technological spinoffs. Science advances as a broad front; seeking solutions to difficult problems often benefits us in unforseen ways, even if the problems themselves seem to be just vanity projects. There are spinoffs for robotic missions too, but the crewed missions to Earth orbit and the Moon have produced many valuable technologies for us.
That's not my reason, though, or at least not my most important one:
We seem to be on the cusp of the so-called "great filter" where most life in the universe either is extinguished or continues on the spread through the galaxy (born too early... dank memes... and all that)
I think the cause of the fermi paradox is that a species usually gains the power to destroy itself (for example, with nuclear weapons or disastrous climate change) around the same time it gains the power to expand to other worlds. And usually decides not to do the latter, then inevitably implodes on the only planet they live on. I want to avoid that fate for us.
vanilladzilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advancing technology to improve life on Earth is excellent. People don't need to go to space to accomplish that. In fact, it would be cheaper not to. And it's a no-brainer that a machine could do everything that a human could do, and in fact do much more, and do it much better. So why do people go then? I've had this argument before. It inevitably always boils down to, "because it's cool".
I think the cause of the fermi paradox is simply the size of the universe and our current state of knowledge/technology. I also think that decisions about investments of this magnitude should not be based on wild hypotheticals.
magic_missile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neither of these are exactly true, although there is nuance on both sides.
For the spinoffs, keeping people alive in space and getting them somewhere is a very specific set of problems. The closest I can think of is undersea habitats and submarines.There are also benefits to medical knowledge gained from having people live in space--we've learned a lot about the human body from how it responds to microgravity. We could extrapolate even more from how it responds to low gravity, and that's just one of many examples. That's impossible to duplicate on Earth.
While we can also develop technologies in other pursuits, we won't necessarily develop the same technologies. I'm not making an either/or argument; there are seven billion humans and we can pursue many projects at once.
What I'm bummed out about here is that the funding already exists to start this. NASA just isn't allowed to develop a crewed space mission over a long enough time, because the vision (Mars! Moon! Asteroid redirect mission!) changes every time there's a new President or new Senators who need jobs in their particular states.
Anyway, as for the other point: robotic probes are of course much cheaper, and cheaper per "unit" of science done. But human explorers are more capable in many ways overall, and the best science of all comes from humans working in tandem with robots. Mars rovers drive incredibly slowly; they could drive much faster if people were in orbit around the planet controlling them, because we wouldn't have the light delay to deal with.
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is correct. My space prof said something to that effect - the people who favor robotic exploration arent wrong, its much cheaper than manned. But manned is what brings the money in, because it inspires people. Human are emotional creatures, and you'll do better when you accept that.
vanilladzilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll do better? As in I'll make more money through manipulation? Maybe you're right. I can't say I don't want Musk's money (not to pick on Musk, I'm still a fan).
TheTT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, basically.
Its_a_Trap- ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:23:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If NASA gets the funding it needs we could send a mission to Mars pretty soon. I hope that happens because getting to Mars would be an outstanding achievement.
lukeanater27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think spaceX could do it earlier than nasa
ninelives1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlikely
horchard1999 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is definitely true as NASA is just too political anymore and show of focus on research that can be applied elsewhere not just the mars mission.
What I mean is that because of beurocracy, the main stage should be taken by private firms such as SpaceX because they can get more done, quicker, and cheaper, whereas NASAs budget is dictated on lobbyists and other governing bodies of the US. Like I said, NASA should focus more on other issues than direct colonization of mars
ninelives1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:21:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The research being done on station is crucial to a successful Mars mission
Lanky_Giraffe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has NASA not said that they are not pursuing a mission to Mars in favour of further study of deep space. I don't get the obsession with putting people on Mars. It would be extremely expensive and dangerous, and seems completely pointless. The notion that we are going to colonise Mars is, frankly, absurd. It takes almost a year just to get there, more if you have people on board, due to the stop at the ISS. The Martian climate is completely inhospitable, and ultimately, there's no need. We have a perfectly habitable planet right here. Why would anyone want to live in an inhospitable desert of nothingness?
On the other hand, studying deep space can actually give us an insight into the origins of the universe and how we came to be. A manned mission to Mars is just a vanity project.
MrZZ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:54:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it.
BoHorvat53 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just don't bring Matt Damon along
MajorCrater ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:32:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then Curiosity can have companions to sing it happy birthday!
Bamboozle_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:12:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll take it one further, thd begginings of colonization of another celestial body.
TheAlbionKing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:45:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What and reduce military spending? You must be crazy
nx_2000 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see man come back from Mars. Putting people there to die doesn't strike me as a great achievement.
hks1994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as we send Matt Damon it'll be fine
Chairboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only people even considering that we're the Mars One scammers and you have to be a real sucker to still take them seriously.
meib ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To sing happy birthday to the Mars Rover
tripbin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And ill start a riot if its not streamed in 360 to a VR headset.
iWaterBuffalo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why I'm finishing up my aerospace engineering degree. I would love to say that I helped put a human on Mars. That's my life goal.
Lambaline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why I'm starting an aerospace degree, I want to say I helped put a human on mars. That is my life goal as well. Push the human race forwards.
magic_missile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice to see so many others with the same goal! Best of luck with your degree! I'm not quite done with mine yet.
magic_missile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too. It's an exciting time in space exploration right now, I hope we keep building momentum.
CaptainNipplesMcRib ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice alliteration
Herp_Duh_Derp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wholeheartedly agree. It certainly seems possible that this will happen in my lifetime (I'm 33).
However, while the current state and progress of technology (space and in general) is astounding, I think one of my greatest regrets to living in this time period is that we get only a glimpse of the possibility of human colonization of the solar system without the chance to see it actually happen.
samsuh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so much interest in space.
i'm working on a project for the innovation corps at the national science foundation and nasa. pls msg me if any of you guys have relevant experience to human-machine interface design, whether for spacecraft design or something else.
Twoflappylips ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First successful manned mission to Mars
gilbertxyukari ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And find alien's artifact there.
AvailableRedditname ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you are over 60 hope for more. Findibg life on europa is something morr hopeful.
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes, I certainly do hope for more than that, but if I at least see that I'll be happy.
golgol12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First established colony on mars.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm waiting for the first manned mission to the sun.
Cmgeodude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to say this.
And I so want to be on the team that makes it happen. I'm too tall to be an astronaut, but if Elon happens to read this, let me know and guide me to become the best damn aerospace engineer who has ever lived.
areels ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Forget it, we'll leap forward and just pass by Mars and hope on to next galaxy.
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be good to see too.
MrKrazybones ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Alien manned mission from Mars to Earth
littlestghoust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want their to be a colony on Mars. I think getting there will be easy, it's living there that will be worth it!
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely. I wish I'd put that as my comment in the first place because I'd love to see that happen.
littlestghoust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll probably only see a manned missioned, since everyone is dragging their feet. (Countries, not private sector)
zpeed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My dad watched the moon landing on TV (he was 16 at the time). I would really love for him to see this too.
gdp89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should be focused on building a space dock at one of our larange points. This will then make future projects much cheaper/easier because we can build/launch from outside earth's orbit. We need infrastructure before we start taking trips.
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course, I'd love to see this happen as well. We need our own Utopia Planitia shipyards.
tntmod54321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This goes perfectly with the fusion comment, With fusion this could easily be a reality
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for reminding me why I became an engineer and joined the space industry. It's tough sledding sometimes and you go stretches without really seeing any reward for your work (it can be a couple years after you finish a project before it's launched on a program), but this is the dream goal.
coonlover419 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy there Weyland
commandrix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why stop at just one mission, though? I want to see several growing colonies on Mars.
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes definitely, that's ultimately what I'd love to see.
gbuck97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Astronautical Engineering student here.
I won't let you down!
nkiki2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like we should start with the moon and then do Mars
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy to see colonisation of the moon as well, if we can.
magic_missile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the long run we should do them both, and then spread to the stars. :D
nugohs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already held one yesterday, admittedly we didn't get far though.
PastriesOfZaWarudo2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just make sure that on the third mission, they don't leave the botanist behind.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We cannot send Matt Damon.
He'll wind up getting stranded and we'll have to rescue him.
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's alright, he can just keep planting potatoes.
ApatheticAbsurdist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going a little more wishful thinking I'm hoping for the start of the first sustainable colony on Mars. Maybe by the time I'm on my death bed I'll see news of plans for the first Mars cycler.
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, that would ultimately be what I'd like to see.
Hurkk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather have us set up a Moon base first. Makes more sense as the major challenge is getting supplies out of Earth's atmosphere. Plus, if we manage to get fusion power working, Helium 3 mining on the Moon would serve as an added benefit/incentive.
PeteTheGeek196 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be really keen on crewed exploration - I watched the first Moon landing live - and I'd still love to see humans land on Mars, but I now see that robotic exploration is much faster and cheaper. I'd be fine sending more robots - to Mars, to Europa and another one to Titan.
CousinDirk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the span of my lifetime, humans haven't left low earth orbit. I'd settle for another moon landing.
terminalvelocit3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But after a little while so I can work at mission control for the launch. At least 15 years.
Toastbuns ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding fossilized bacteria on Mars would let me die happy.
DurMan667 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multi-planet colonization
BrosenkranzKeef ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 29 and I'm pretty sure it will happen. Elon will be the money and brains behind it, of course. I think Space X will get there before anyone else. I'm not sure they'll have help from the government because that would bring a lot of international politics into it that a private company doesn't need to deal with.
bigvahe33 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're working on it!
Budanccio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed! And as an engineering student I'd love to be a part of it. Also it would be epic if it was approached intelligently and in a way that would set the foundations for us becoming a space faring civilization.
GerberGEEK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is absolutely what I was thinking too! It would be so beautiful to hear the words "We can officially live on mars"
Nacksche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:49:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure that would even make my top 100. Yeah sure, it's cool there were people on Mars, but that's of no short or medium term consequence for me whatsoever. There's a thousand more important things to wish for.
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair, it's just something I'd really like to see in my lifetime.
There are obviously a lot of other really important things to see as well, as evidenced by the other answers here.
Nacksche ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well there's 22.000 people sharing your opinion, wow. :)
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I'm shocked how high it went!
classicalySarcastic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll raise you one better: First manned exploration of another star system (I'm thinking Alpha Centauri). I'd prefer to be on said expedition, given that it would be a multi-decade or multi-century endeavor, but dammit would it be cool!
Ontheclock26_9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on mars walking around and Chris Hansen comes around the corner...
Hansen: Hi! Why dont you have a seat on the rock there.
Astronaut: Okay
Hansen: What are you doing here?
Astronaut: I heard there was alien life here and want to make sure it was okay.
Hansen: You traveled over 33 million miles to see if an "alien" was "okay"?
Astronaut: Yep. I care and was worried about them.
Hansen: What is in your bag there?
Astronaut: What!? Nothing really. Just stuff I carry with me.
Hansen: Looks like you have wine coolers, condoms, lube, and a potato masher. What is that for?
Astronaut: I...I... just have it. I brought what they asked for because I want the alien to be safe.
Hansen: On our chat transcript Mars sends static and you, with username BiGCoCKastroLube, replies back: "I got you baby and I'll take you places you've never been."
Astronaut: Uhh.. I was just talking and being nice.
Hansen: Mars sends more static and you say, "We can have lots of fun and I want to be your first."
Hansen: What is that about?
Astronaut: I just came to Mars to make sure it was okay. Can I leave now?
Hansen: Sure you can go but before you do you need to know that I am Chris Hansen and NBC won't pay me do my regular To Catch A Predator show anymore so I am here for Youtube views.
Astronaut: I promise to never visit other plants again...
Hansen: Please leave through the space there.
Tune in next week when we get a Rabbi military vet Astronaut traveling millions of miles to visit an alien only 13 hundred years old.
*cue music and flashing graphics
Ill_Pack_A_Llama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHY is reddit obsessed with such a pointless endeavour when the worlds dying before our eyes?
lukeanater27 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that space exploration is incredibly important. It is the key to the future of the human race. If things do go wrong on earth, and we can't fix the damage, or we get overwhelmed with the overpopulation problem, we NEED to know how to live and expand into space.
Lanky_Giraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space exploration does not need to involve putting people on planets. A manned mission to Mars would just be a waste of resources. Exploring deep space can actually answer fundamental questions of science. Putting a man on Mars tells us absolutely nothing.
Also, do you realise how inhospitable Mars is? Earth would basically have to become a nuclear wasteland for Mars to be a good alternative.
lukeanater27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying to make Mars a permanent alternative. I think a manned mission is very important so we can learn how to live in such an environment. Imagine Mars as a test ground that would help humans further understand the implications of living on other planets. It would also help us understand how to make a nearly inhospitable place an area that humans could find a way to adapt to.
Lanky_Giraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A robot could do this, and stay longer too.
Again, robots. There is literally not a single thing that would be more effective by people than by robots. The mission is already like three years long. How much longer do you expect the astronauts to spend on Mars to conduct this research?
lukeanater27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree. We don't know all of the challenges and implications that living on another planet could have on the human body. Putting a man on Mars would allow us to test and learn these effects, as well as ways to combat these effects on living organisms
Lanky_Giraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why we put robots there. They can take precise readings about all sorts of things and we can work out how to make it hospitable. Putting someone on Mars and seeing if they die is not science. Also, a manned mission to Mars would take like 3 years if they only spent minutes on Mars. How long are you suggesting the mission be extended by so that these people can take the measurements which a robot definitely can't? A robot can stay on Mars until it breaks. Much more useful to science than an astronaut who travels for three years only to spend like a 6 months there.
This can all be done in a lab, or using robots on Mars. How exactly are humans meant to test this on Mars?
lukeanater27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting numbers from a robot is great but we can't truly understand the effects and long term impacts it would have on an organism.
Lanky_Giraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why we take the data, and replicate it on earth. What's the alternative? Send astronauts to Mars and see if they die? That doesn't seem to tell us much about the long term effects either. You realise that the mission won't be long enough for any long term effects to even become apparent.
marknutter ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no overpopulation problem.
Ptch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source(s)?
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's plenty of sources arguing in favor of both sides, you can find them on your own. Ask yourself this: what is the optimal global population?
Ptch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:03:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you can't provide sources to back up your claim, then your claim isn't worth considering. It isn't the job of the person you're trying to convince to find evidence themselves. The fact that you can't find sources highly suggests you're wrong and/or don't know what you're talking about.
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh.. there are plenty, I just get tired of looking stuff up for other people. Perhaps it's time to take a break from Reddit for a while.
Ptch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:55:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still no sources proving your point. This could have been over with already.
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right.
lukeanater27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh there certainly will be. We won't have enough resources to provide for the exponentially growing population. Water being especially important.
marknutter ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think the population will continue to grow exponentially? A crystal ball?
lukeanater27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scientific predictions. Experts believe the population will be upwards of 11.5 billion by 2100, and has increasing numbers from that point onward. 2100 is only 83 years away, and that approaching more than a 40% population increase
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should go back and look at how accurate "experts" predictions of what the world population would be today are.
Chairboy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are at our greatest when we strive to push further, to reach beyond where we've been before. Buckling down in survival mode can't be a normal state of affairs, that's how you end up working a minimum wage job in your 40s and wondering " when was my life supposed to start? Did I miss a signal?"
Pxorp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's even the point when we can send robots? Some giant dick-length contest like the race to the space and the moon.
The biggest achivement clearly would be a working fusion reactor. Cheap and clean energy would solve many issues immediately.
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:01:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not a pointless endeavour. The world is dying, it's also becoming over-populated, and so at this point we need to expand ourselves out beyond Earth, as well as fix the problems at home.
NintenJew ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:13:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I took some astrophysics in college and one of my professors focused on exoplanets and the like. Now, I used to really want to go to Mars but he was always against the idea.
I just thought it was his personal preference but I attended a conference with a lot of astrophysicists and astronomers, and the majority were all against a manned mission to Mars. There reason being was that it was pointless at this time.
According to them, right now we have absolutely no reason to send men to Mars because we would not gain any more information that a robot can't provide. Their reasoning was that while men "problem solve" better than a robot, the robot can do everything else and it will be much safer.
Right now, with our current technology and the technology we could possibly develop in 20 years, they believe a mission to Mars would be a death sentence. The radiation would be too extreme and would cause cancer and other problems.
Now, personally I still think it will be really cool to see a Man go to Mars, but every astronomer and astrophysicist I talked too absolutely hated the idea. Since they are more informed on this situation than I am, I will defer to them. I am almost disappointed I took that class because he killed a lot of my space dreams.
Ten_bucks_best_offer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Escape from a dying world by going to a dead world?
The_Max_Power_Way ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course we'd need to develop the technology to terraform, or at least create habitable structures which can be used on the planet.
Kooooomar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because all of our eggs are literally in one basket. I'm assuming the "dying" you are referring to is wars and poverty and politics and such?
If so, that's the least of our worries. If the world loses 99% of it's population, the human race will survive. It will take time to rebuild, but it will survive.
One day our planet might be consumed by the sun, a solar flare hits us, a meteor creates a 7th ice age, Yellowstone erupts, etc, etc. There have already been several mass extinction events on this planet, there will definitely be more.
We're not going to Mars to avoid helping people on earth. We're going to Mars for the day where there is no longer an earth for people to live on.
theamazingronathon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're already in the midst of a mass extinction, and the end of an ice age. Best case scenario, a ton of species we rely on die off, and we have to learn to adapt to that. No matter what we do to reduce our carbon imprint, we can't stop that from happening.
Part of what makes humans human is that we don't adapt to fit our environment, we adapt our environment to fit us. The reason humans outcompeted with other hominids is that we could spread to climates they couldn't live in, and we thrived in those environments.
Space is the obvious next step. We, as humans, spread to the Arctic Circle, we spread to deserts and jungles full of predators, and we learned how to make that environment suit us by building shelters, and using climate control, from fire in a hut all the way to HVAC. The next step is doing the same thing, but on a larger scale.
Preparing to inhabit hostile environments outside the Earth will prepare us for inhabiting a hostile environment on Earth, too. I'm sure we'll still adapt for that on Earth, but who knows how long it will take. And, like you said, our eggs are all in one basket. If we have a colony going on Mars where they're manufacturing their own atmosphere and growing crops, it's not great loss (as a species) if 99% of the Earth's population gets wiped out. But if 99% of the specie's population gets wiped out through some natural or man made disaster, it could set us back thousands of years, and at that point... It could very well be too late for humanity.
Ten_bucks_best_offer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop gap. If the Earth were to decay it would end up being exactly like Mars. If the Earth were to meet an unfortunate doom from the sun being a dick it wouldn't be long before the same thing happened to Mars.
It's my personal belief that Mars used to thrive. Probably had water, plants, and possibly some sort of animal life. But then something happened that caused irrevocable damage to the planet and atmosphere leading to the withering of the planet. Perhaps Mars' death saved the Earth. Mars got fucked up and Earth only lost the dinosaurs. Space travel to Mars is like taking a time machine to the Earth's last days.
I also believe the only possible use of Mars is practice. Practice of moving people and supplies through space in bulk. Make it a way station for further travel. Problem there is that we have no idea where to go or how to get further yet. Beyond that, sending people to Mars to see if they can survive a Mad Max environment just seems like a waste of time and resources.
bighand1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end is nigh! for real this time.
Lanky_Giraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you. People like the idea of a mission to Mars because it's exciting, but it's really just a vanity project. There is nothing we gain from putting men on Mars. There is simply no way we will ever colonise Mars.
magic_missile ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:24:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or fly, or go to the Moon, or eradicate smallpox, or...
Lanky_Giraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of those had huge benefits to humanity (maybe not the moon, but that was significant for other reasons). Give me one benefit of colonising Mars.
It's not that we can't; it's that doing so is completely pointless because Mars would be a vastly shittier place to live.
magic_missile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The easy thing to cite is the tremendous technological spinoffs. Science advances as a broad front; seeking solutions to difficult problems often benefits us in unforseen ways, even if the problems themselves seem to be just vanity projects.
The eventual goal, of course, is to terraform the planet so it's no longer so inhospitable. We can't do that right away, but it is possible. After all we're causing global warming on Earth by accident--causing global warming on purpose would be easier for us in some ways.
We seem to be on the cusp of the so-called "great filter" where most life in the universe either is extinguished or continues on the spread through the galaxy (born too early... dank memes... and all that)
I think the cause of the fermi paradox is that a species usually gains the power to destroy itself (for example, with nuclear weapons or disastrous climate change) around the same time it gains the power to expand to other worlds. And usually decides not to do the latter, then inevitably implodes on the only planet they live on.
magic_missile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are many, many more pointless things than space exploration. Americans spend like 2.5x more on booze than NASA every year, for example. We can spend money on more than one cause.
Nokomdet ยท 1177 points ยท Posted at 12:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A steady reduction in CO2 emission.
It will happen, it has to.
and ending the death of bees
[deleted] ยท 396 points ยท Posted at 13:49:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bees have been recovering pretty well this year! But it's still a problem. ** EDIT: Bees are probably still doing terribly. Can't find the source and reddit said this was a lie a couple days ago. See comments below
Reduction in greenhouse gas emissions is one of the only mandatory achievements humanity needs to accomplish in my life time. The rest are cool, but don't matter too much if we continue to ruin the planet.
Lonewanderer08 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 15:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isnt it that bees arent actually recovering but that the beekeepers just need to replenish their stocks more and faster every year so people just think they are recovering?
There was a post a few days ago talking about exactly this, that people think bees are totally fine now but they arent actually.
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:19:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read something elsewhere that the hive death syndrome (or whatever it is called) has decreased significantly. It hasn't stopped (which is bad), but it's better than it was. Which means we should double down on preventing certain pesticides and all that jazz that we tried.
seye_the_soothsayer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:56:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a beekeeper....stop that bullshit. Bees are fine. The same as always...
I have no idea what people are talking about. We had a bad year, bad years have been happening for as long as beekeeping was a thing. A single good year,and they will swarm like crazy again and we won't know what to do whit all those colonies... it's really nothing new.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:53:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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micromonas ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:10:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we could meet our electricity needs with solar, wind and other renewables if someone invented a better battery. Concerning renewable electricity, we don't have a capacity problem, we have a storage problem
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a really big if, however.
micromonas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's already the goal of many material scientists and research groups, in industry and academia, and battery technology does improve every year. It's really not as farfetched as you're implying
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure it isn't. People were claiming it as the weak link as far back as the '90s. Things have improved, yet the improvements are small. We're inching our way up Mt. Everest. Progress? Yes. Breakthrough? No. I can't predict the future any better than you. I can say, however, if long-term past performance is indicative of future gains, I wouldn't get your hopes up for an earth-shattering leap.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree. Fission power is probably our best bet at the moment. We should probably keep the nuclear waste as low as possible through wind, hydro, and solar power (I'm less sure about hydro because of dams).
My point was that Fusion is too far away to count on, Fission is probably the best solution for now though.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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awe778 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:44:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad the politicians and the populace don't really have the balls to implement it in a larger scale.
throwaway03022017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The answer is nuclear power.
Vortesian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm old enough to remember the sources of the continuing fear of nuclear power. By the 1960s industrial pollution had gotten so bad in the US that there was enormous grass roots support to do something about it. Environmentalists were being minted by the millions. The EPA was created, and there was broad support to clean the shit up. Of course business interests were largely opposed, but that's another story.
Nuclear waste disposal was a huge issue, at least until Three Mile Island, when a nuclear meltdown became a real possibility. (In fact that's right about when people started using the word "meltdown" in everyday speech.) Everyone knew there was nothing you could do with nuke waste that was safe, so nuclear power became another target of environmental activists. The only people in favor of nukes were somehow connected with the nuke industry. That's only a slight exaggeration.
So for that generation, it's a tough sell to make them change their mind. My suggestion for this generation, if you want to convince those people that nuclear power is safe, is to not rant about their irrational fear, but talk about emerging technology that actually addresses the issue of what to do with the tons of radioactive waste we have stashed away all over the country. These folks will be around for another twenty or thirty years so it makes sense to understand that, to them, the fear of nuclear energy is far from irrational.
Quaaraaq ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:12:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The arnt actually recovering, we've just stopped it from getting worse and got really good at making more bees.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My mistake.
So they aren't dying as much as they used to, and there are more bees because we are better at breeding them?
I suppose that's positive still.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:23:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was discussing this with my co-worker the other day, saying how I saw an article on front page of Reddit that the bees were doing better recently. He asked me if I read the comments. He says that people found out the article was written/ backed by major pesticides, and largely untrue. That they were doing things like taking thriving hives, splitting them into two, and claiming the number of hives went up.
Well let's hope for the best. D:
Quaaraaq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not ideal but yes, the new situation seems to be somewhat stable.
tntmod54321 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ENTIRE US could switch to clean energy now but because there's so much money in fossil fuel they aren't going to, And by the time the money's out of it it'll probably be too late. Hopefully a half decent person get's elected next time around or some other major country decided to start switching.
Kiita-Ninetails ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:12:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, that is shifting the blame a bit. But its not wrong, but its also not totally right either. Swapping completely to clean energy is just straight up REALLY fucking expensive. For everyone. Say we outlaw fossil fuels full scale tomorrow.
Now your average joe needs to go out and get a new car, their power bill is most likely more expensive, they have some more annoying inconviniences. And most people are just lazy, they just want things to stay easy, cheap, and normal. And thats what fossil fuels offer.
tntmod54321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:23:42 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is true, I didn't nessecarily mean they could easily and cost-effectively switch to clean energy in a few days, I just meant they aren't doing much to help.
Kortallis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only way I truly see Americans switching to clean energy is if the Barons and CEO's see profitabilty in it. Otherwise, the GOP leaders will flat out refuse to push legislation for it.
I don't even disagree with the overlords, if I was a GOP legislator, I would make sure my backers are happy too, as scratching the back to oil companies makes your district more bountiful. It's just this dog eat dog world of American politics is preventing our country from bettering itself.
It makes me truly wonder sometimes if a Republic is truly a worthwhile system of government, or if an Autocracy would be a better fitted in this fast paced changing world.
Or at least it did, until Trump got elected. Now I just sit and play Yakity Sax and wait for the bombs to drop.
UKBRITAINENGLAND ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am interested which aspect of emissions is most disastrous in your eyes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure what you're curious about.
Emissions are bad at a local levels. Vehicle exhaust and other smoke cause health issues at all levels of live.
More significantly though are the long term effects of the greenhouse effect. Just a few degrees of global warming melts ice caps increasing sea levels which harms coastal communities directly. The bigger problem is that it changes ocean ecology. Already species are dying. The ocean water temperature is higher, so more water evaporates and there are larger storms.
So I guess to answer your question, the most disastrous aspect of emissions in my eyes is the destruction of the planet.
UKBRITAINENGLAND ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can agree with the local stuff to some extent, though in London I do not find it to be a problem, places in China have it bad on the other hand. From what I understand the rising of the sea levels is fairly slow, can the coastal communities just move backwards slowly, like they do when there is costal erosion, which seems much more aggressive than the oceans rising and people deal fine with that. With the biology of the sea changing, how do judge which state is better? Perhaps warmer seas will lead to niches for new species etc. The problem I have is when people say 'destruction of the planet' usually they talk about these fairly slow processes where the value judgment of what is 'better' is not well defined. People talk about it as an apocalypse, but this is nothing compared to what the earth has dealt with before.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New York City and Miami are two easy examples of cities that can't move back slowly. There are billions, if not trillions of dollars with of assets including buildings, resorts, and infrastructure all in areas that will be underwater within 100 years (maybe sooner).
Ultimately the earth isn't that important, so long as you don't value the life on it. It doesn't matter if you think the planet has intrinsic value or if the value solely lies in its ability to support human life, either way climate change should scare you.
All of these apocalypses the earth has made it through - humans didn't have a good time during them. And this event is fast. In the last 100 years the environment has changed, and it will be difficult for people within another 100. In another million years those niches for new species will be filled, but in the mean time things might not go so well.
Do I believe life will continue on earth for another million years? Yes. Do I think climate change is man made? Yes. Do I think it will cause extinctions, and make life painful if not impossible for hundreds of millions of people? Yes.
No matter where the value of the earth comes from, the damage we do to the planet is bad.
UKBRITAINENGLAND ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I seem to belive the same things you do. Though I find it hard to see the sense of urgency that many people perceive. Human life will be fine, we are resourceful. Nature is in a constant battle of just about not starving or being eaten, so they are unlikely to 'enjoy' life anyway. Also they are resourceful as a system of organisms, they will find their niches. Cities that are built on the coast, well they can move in the end they were built by us, we can build more. It is not that I do not believe in the science, I am fairly well informed for a non-pro, I just don't see the urgency, from a philosophical perspective I guess.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's reasonable, because climate change is the perfect catastrophe to slip by our consciousness. It is spread across time and space in such a way that it doesn't even seem real.
It is very urgent that we change behaviors now, but it will never feel urgent. Even in a hundred years when hundreds of million of people are dying from starvation or disease, no one will really think it is climate change. Even now, when there are hurricanes and typhoons, or even the Ebola outbreak, people see it as a singular tragic event, but its all climate change. People die as a result and it will get worse.
I won't convince you, but climate change is the most urgent problem humanity faces other than nuclear war. Those two things are the only thing that can make humans extinct.
UKBRITAINENGLAND ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(don't worry about convincing me, I am agnostic on this issue, and neither side has really gotten it's hooks in). When people talk of climate change I think of flying over the country side in a plane. Over most of the world (that people enhabit) all you will see are fields of crops and animals. This is not 'natural' in any sense and I am sure lots of sensitive woodland creatures went extinct making it a reality. If we go for the 'the world should be as it was without humans' value system we should stop farming and cause the death of 90%+of the humans. So we already have made the judgement that wiping out huge areas of wildlife is a small price to pay for the large population. I don't see the moral difference in that decision and the one that society has made (for now) that it is OK to dig up coal, send it to China (or they make their own ect) to produce enough steel to sustain our need for large buildings and bridges. How much wildlife can we kill for building, bridges, freight tankers etc and it still be acceptable? Surely some if there is an acceptable amount to kill for food. In general I don't think we need to worry too much about people dying of hunger. Whilst people have and will do so, at the time of their death there will be countless amounts of food wasted around the world. Local dictators stopping the flow of food, or a massacre of farmers for being the wrong type of person. We are much better at starving people than nature alone is. Also, a kind of different perspective, people live in northern Canada, and happily so. Which seems to suggest that the hospitipalness of the environment is not that high on the list of things gs humans need to survive. Hell, I would die in winter in the UK if it were not for us being pretty good at over coming nature. I think we can overcome the problems of the future and in general fossil fuel is dragging people above the poverty line at an astonishing rate, which is a known-known rather than a hypothetical future full of uncertainty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think life will continue for millions of years. I'm not sure people will though.
Jentleman2g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"domesticated" bee populations were the ones that took the hit. Wild hives were barely affected IIRC
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have sauce on the bee stuff. It warms my heart to hear they are doing better
MintyTruffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bruh, there's tons of planets.
SamiTheBystander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2016/07/colony_collapse_disorder_is_no_longer_the_existential_threat_to_honeybees.html
TL;DR Bees are on a comeback, probably thanks to regulation on pesticides. Colony collapse disorder isn't the problem it used to be. Bees reproduce so quickly that the drop in population probably won't matter. The bees are okay.
Tasgall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. I think castles are still going to be pretty important in the post-hospitable world.
RosemarysFetus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw a bee irl for the first time in years recently i was so happy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be amazing, but it's too far away to count on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion seems to be perpetually "a decade or so away". :(
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:27:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's just the proof of concept for industrial generators. Then it's another 20-30 before the first ones would go online. SO it's really perpetually 30-40 years away.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Touche. :)
tntmod54321 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:39:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ENTIRE US could switch to clean energy now but because there's so much money in fossil fuel they aren't going to, And by the time the money's out of it it'll probably be too late. Hopefully a half decent person get's elected next time around or some other major country decided to start switching.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I generally agree with you. But I want to point out that it has very little to do with the President. There are certainly policies that would help, but it comes down to city and state governments a lot more than you might think.
Texas of all places is a great example. A lot of landowners there are realizing they can make more from wind power than from oil, and are supporting state legislations to make it easier.
tntmod54321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense.
Zaldun ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:52:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So we kill Bee Death and they should be fine.
Bevroren ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:05:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just be careful of the tiny scythe. Or take one for the team and let it hit you, since that will kill Bee Death as well.
uniquecannon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or convince Bee Death to instead start killing off the Wasps, Hornets, Jackets, and all those other fuckers.
MagicManMike1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plot twist: Bees stop dying but because they're extinct
office_procrastinate ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"BEES?!"
RosneftTrump2020 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we are more likely to see geo engineering like blocking sun with SO2 or whatever. Reducing carbon is already efficiently done by plants, if we only had a way to store that carbon once captured.
ed_merckx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most modern nations have been reducing their Co2 emissions through natural developments in technology. That said, the only way we could reduce the total number in a meaningful way and taking cost into account (no, it's not smart to basically destroy the globalized economy for lower Co2 levels that might not really make a difference) is nuclear. The big issue here is cost, through the mix of huge regulatory system along with cheap natural gas, it just often isn't profitable to build nuclear in the USA (which is the main producer of the needed equipment) even with massive government subsidies. Exelon is shutting down the last reactor at 3 mile island, even with proposals from the state for increased and continues subsidies.
So we aren't building many new reactors consistently, which increases the cost because there's a lack of a consistent built out supply chain, and the increased regulatory costs and just anti-nuclear sentiment in Europe which is the next best place that could use it based on current infrastructure, skills and economics, makes it not seen as much there as it could be.
Renewable with current technology are near their peak in most developed and developing nations, hydro and geothermal (along with wind/solar to some degree) have geographical limitations and thus fast diminishing returns, and you reach a point with something like a solar farm, where the break even time on Co2 (it's not emission free to build and maintain a solar farm) is beyond it's expected life because there's not equal efficiency everywhere for solar and wind.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BEADS!?
flewers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but like i got stung once and it felt kinda shitty so ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
seefatchai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or else.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, its happening in the US. This might even be accomplishable!
morganrbvn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fortunately trees will do that for free if we plant them.
edit*: oh emission, woops.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NO MORE DEAD BEES
Kimmiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it doesn't "have too".
Now if humans want to keep living and not see most of the earth turn into a desert or be flooded then yes that CO2 emission has to stop and be reversed. (To late to hope slowing it will do anything. That needed to happen 20 years ago.)
But it doesn't "have" to stop. It will keep happening in an exponential rate. It will get worse.
DinerWaitress ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It looks like haiku
Counting on my fingers -
I'm disappointed.
kingeryck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of bees will end when all the bees are dead. -Villain
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, gamers need to eat too
Speartron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The bees (you have heard of) are not dying out.
The bees (you have heard of) are not dying out.
The bees (you have heard of) are not dying out.
Leonk2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we still get rid of the wasps? PLEASE.
ProbablyanEagleShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get bees are important, but fuck bees.(allergic, One sting, I die)
Beepboopmadafaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can contribute to the reduction of CO2 emissions by adopting a plant based diet because animal agriculture is the leading cause.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:22:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Methane emissions.
CardboardConnoisseur ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:54:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys! I'm a biochemistry student and I just talked to my research supervisor about creating a reagent that turns honey into a bee immortality drug. She says it's bullshit but I think she's coming around. Meanwhile I'm going to discuss the idea with a psychiatrist--apparently they have some sort of expertise in this matter? I don't know. My supervisor just said to talk to one. Keep fingers crossed that I get to be the one to develop this amazing technology.
Gliste ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans exhale CO2.
Food for mind.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And plants ingest CO2 and create oxygen*.
*: grossly simplified
Gliste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if we keep killing off plants and having babies, the greenhouse gases will stay trapped here. We must create a hole in the ozone to let all of the gas out
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solution: don't cut down trees and use renewables/nuclear.
Also I don't think making a hole in the ozone layer will let the gas out - it will also probably kill us all.
Gliste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hot air rises. A hole will let out all of the bad CO2.
Also all of my previous posts are jokes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That joke went so far over my head it went through the ozone hole. Well played.
Slacker5001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I... I can't tell if this is a joke or not. Well even if it is a joke, for any idiot that stumbles across this and thinks otherwise, here is some rough science:
Yes hot air rises but it's not as simple as that. CO2 isn't just "hot air", it is a molecule with a certain mass and density. So although it's probably true that "hot" CO2 is less dense than "cold" CO2, and thus rises, it is not going to rise above other molecules that are lighter than it. Our atmosphere has layers because of that (and probably other more complex reasons and processes as well).
That said, the ozone doesn't "hold it in" in any way to my understanding. The ozone is just a layer of oxygen with special chemical reactions happening that help protect us from UV radiation that is harmful to humans and other living things. A hole in it probably doesn't have any serious effects on CO2 emissions because the only thing "keeping in" CO2 is the earth's gravity itself, not any special layer or shield that holds in the earths gasses.
Any "shields" the earth has don't hold it in but rather prevent it from being stripped away from radiation from the sun. The sun's radiation in a rough sense hits particles, causing them to have an increase in energy and speed that allows them to "overpower" gravity in a sense and escape the atmosphere. It won't ever just float away on it's own. Many parts of our atmosphere and magnetosphere, not just the ozone, play the role of this shield.
Finally another thing to note is that apparently the holes in the ozone are recovering! We have worked hard to ban and find alternatives for the chemicals that caused that (which are not CO2). So even if we disregarded all the other logic, the entire idea that there are serious holes that are still forming is apparently faulty.
strokesurviver52 ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 14:34:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transfer human consciousness to another better body or android.
haTi-chubu ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 08:32:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you actually think about it, it is just making a copy of yourself and letting the original die, does that really sound appealing to you? I mean you still die, just a copy of you keeps existing.
strokesurviver52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If my "Soul" or consciousness is transferred to the copy who cares? as long as what I identify as "me" continues to exist...
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just transfer it into a planet-wide computer which keeps you alive no matter what.
IamBili ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:44:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't want to do that
ki113r116 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be fair it's much easier to type now that I don't need a keyboard anymore but yeah, Bili is right. Not great.
Lurkerking211 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need to play SOMA if you haven't already.
Hecklegregory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:46:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This needs to be higher.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get out
ansty13 ยท 12513 points ยท Posted at 11:02:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to live long enough to see Elon Musk finish becoming Tony Stark
PunktualPenguin ยท 674 points ยท Posted at 12:02:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tony Stark or Cave Johnson... only time (and escaped subjects) will tell.
cake_flattener1 ยท 572 points ยท Posted at 13:21:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be honest, we're throwing science at the wall here to see what sticks. No idea what it'll do. Probably nothing. Best-case scenario, you might get some superpowers. Worst case, some tumors, which we'll cut out.
August2_8x2 ยท 171 points ยท Posted at 13:46:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Repulsion gel, Mantis-men, and tiny,postcard sized implanted chips in people's brains. Yeah could be interesting
hoilst ยท 189 points ยท Posted at 13:57:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever that stuff is, it hates the human skeleton.
Natanael_L ยท 211 points ยท Posted at 14:29:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a heads-up: That coffee we gave you earlier had fluorescent calcium in it so we can track the neuronal activity in your brain. There's a slight chance the calcium could harden and vitrify your frontal lobe. Anyway, don't stress yourself thinking about it. I'm serious. Visualizing the scenario while under stress actually triggers the reaction.
few23 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 17:13:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโve been thinking. When life gives you lemons? Donโt make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I donโt want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see lifeโs manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give me lemons! Do you know who I am? Iโm the man whoโs going to burn your house down! With the lemons! Iโm going to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!
RnRaintnoisepolution ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 20:27:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
OrsoMalleus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:07:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I've had 14 cups of coffee today and briefly skimmed this and was like "well, this is how I die".
dont-throwaway-bread ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:08:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achievement unlocked!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then why did you tell me?
LiveClimbRepeat ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 14:39:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me check my notes here...
"DO NOT GET COVERED IN THE REPULSION GEL"
fireinthesky7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:37:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you happen to have been covered in the repulsion gel, the lab boys just gave me this message: "Do NOT get covered in the Repulsion Gel." We don't quite know what element it is, but it is a lively one and it does not like the human skeleton.
ctennessen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tiny, postcard sized implanted chips? I assume you mean postage stamp
August2_8x2 ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 14:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Cave Johnson says postcard.
Neato ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:35:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:-|
Gadetron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think that's tiny.
August2_8x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Portal 2 had that kind of humor
Pendragonswaste ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:29:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dr. Toboggan. Mantis Toboggan!
vonmonologue ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:15:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's called innovation.
usr_bin_laden ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, I think Elon is doing that. Research and development at SolarCity, Tesla, and Hyperloop could all have applications in space travel. Innovations in rocketry and space travel can have applications on Earth and maybe even sell to consumers!
toadofsteel ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:36:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a bonus, they were both an asshole to Spider-man.
MrNeurotoxin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:00:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the amount of poisonous stuff he ingests.
HardlightCereal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:25:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too little: blood poisoning from the device in his heart, but he makes a new element.
Too much: insanity and then death, but he makes a machine to AI-ify humans.
Conkeldurr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS
Razorray21 ยท 2508 points ยท Posted at 11:21:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then become the first Elon of mars
Edit: to elaborate from ->https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/06/13/in-1952-a-german-scientist-predicted-the-name-elon-would-be-associated-with-the-colonization-of-mars/
The Grandfather of rocketry saw this coming over 50 years ago
If I'm missing anything important, feel free to add to it.
Electric_Evil ยท 837 points ยท Posted at 11:28:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then he can declare war on Earth. Mars aeternum!
poopellar ยท 414 points ยท Posted at 11:54:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that is when I lay claim to Uranus.
WiseassWolfOfYoitsu ยท 476 points ยท Posted at 13:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We changed the name to get rid of that silly joke centuries ago. Now it's known as Urectum.
toomuchpork ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:56:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good news everyone!
Aragorn830 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not to rain on the joking parade but wouldn't it be more likely changed to the Greek counterpart Ouranos? Please don't downvote me to hell.
Edit: fixed last sentence
_StatesTheObvious ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:11:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who said anything about Ouranos... It's MYanos. I ain't tryna share.
jaymzx0 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:48:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn space commies.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heranos.
Wait, that actually sounds like something Greek.
WiseassWolfOfYoitsu ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Futurama reference :)
Aragorn830 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, never got into that show.
UserNamesCantBeTooLo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:22:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too bad.
Gadetron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
Gadetron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's suppose to be pronounced your-an-us
Aragorn830 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:25:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anus-R-Us
pikk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you sure it's not Ur an anus?
Bad_brahmin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:11:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright wise ass. Pfft.
schplat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Urectum? Damn near killed em!
ScizorSci ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:38:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One could say that you... rekt em.
ventiquistpriest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
here I'll locate it for you.
PrivateDickDetective ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Urethra.
lumens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rectum? Didn't even know em.
crnext ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Urectum!?!? Udamnnearkilltem!!!
Arsinoei ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:49:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:40:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be the first man to run a train on Uranus.
Tenocticatl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:12:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smart move, get your hands on that sweet sweet noble gas.
showyerbewbs ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might not have noticed, but that's neither the first, nor the largest, flag that's been planted.
psmylie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:22:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you saying you have a stake in Uranus?
HardlightCereal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ur-anus or Urine-us?
Jofarin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:27:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but this can only be done by asstronauts.
showshimselfout
Razorray21 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:01:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drill baby drill!
CeMaRiS1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Ring will kill you though. (Or was that neptune dammit)
Mindraker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I'll stick to the moon rocks in my bed, instead of Uranus in my bed.
pikk ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:10:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All hail the Omnissiah! / Ave Deus Mechanicus!
FlindoJimbori ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:36:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see imperator class titans
pikk ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:46:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd even settle for warhound class
Twelve20two ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:49:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LET FALL THE IRON RAIN
AwareTheLegend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:52:26 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Break the chains!
Twelve20two ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:26:04 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Live for more!
tired040 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:46:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Mechanicum is getting a bit feisty I see.
LatexSanta ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only good Martian is a DEAD Martian! Terra Invictus!
Shmeh-Shmeh ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:07:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holy shit its kit harrington
Taggart451 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:31:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hic sunt leones!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:55:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as Earth also gets badass space castles as well, I'm in.
Brohan_Cruyff ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're just racing ahead to the Horus Heresy, huh
Immortal888 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vive Mars!
Aexis_Rai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fiat justitia, ruat caelum
RikenVorkovin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:43:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Call of duty infinity was right!
ironically, games that try to tackle future topics have sometimes hit very close to home.
SJ_Shark_Byte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly surprised to see Reddit give an Infinte Warfare reference 750+ upvotes. Usually they just downvote and go "hurr durr CoD is fer kidz, look how matur i am" or some dumb circlejerk
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's because it's a campaign reference, and their campaigns are never the reason why people go "COD is for kids", it's the 'casual' and childish multiplayer.
SJ_Shark_Byte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really my point, they'll usually bash it for anything even then I know the multiplayer is what makes them irk
dethb0y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:12:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You kid, but i actually suspect an earth-mars war would be a likely event at some future point, should mars be seriously colonized.
roogoff ยท 81 points ยท Posted at 12:55:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All with the help of his lucky clover
Wavelip ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:46:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Here lies Elon Musk, named for himself, to carry on his spirit."
DannyBright ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:57:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He wasn't original! He wasn't a Martian! And since when is he a "the"?
cathony ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 07:11:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're twice the "the" he ever was!
TheBroJoey ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:13:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've realized after watching Futurama just how many references are made on Reddit a day.
Arminas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's this in reference to?
1norcal415 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:14:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a Futurama reference: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Leaf_Clover
brickmack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:21:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SpaceX. Their first 3 Falcon 1 launch attempts blew up. For flight 4, they were pretty much entirely out of money, and Musk personally was out of money, so if it failed too they were all fucked. They put a couple 4 leaf clovers on the mission patch for luck, and since then all their mission patches have included a clover somewhere
The_Veteran_Raven ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:11:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude! Who brings feels to reddit this early in the morning!? Now I'm gonna remember all of Futurama's feelsy moments!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://youtu.be/7erl9k01C2M
dsac ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:49:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you say that like he's not originally from mars and is just trying to get back home without baiting out the fact that there are martians
_-TheTruth-_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:13:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elon phone home
CarpetFibers ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:34:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mythic514 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:12:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky for him, he doesn't have to rush. He could be the thousandth person on Mars and still probably be the first Elon to make it.
Caedro ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe that has partly to do with why he was named Elon?
Razorray21 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:32:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC they asked his parents, and they supposedly didn't know about it back then.
But it is said that Him being named Elon, and seeing this is partially fueling his drive to go to mars.
2358452 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe Elon is a generic term for "savior" or something like that: notice von Braun calls him "the Elon", not simply names him Elon. Sort of like naming your child Gabriel or mexicans Jesรบs.
Or maybe you're right. Pretty cool either way.
Edit: I can't seem to find "elon" in German dictionaries though.
1norcal415 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see what you did there
leiphos ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he not the first Elon on Earth too? I never seem to meet many Elon's.
PointyOintment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's also one of the guys behind Raspberry Pi
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot to mention he was a Nazi.
My favorite part.
His ideas on space mirrors are fascinating.
slumberjax ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:46:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Call him a Nazi, he won't even frown.
"Ha, Nazi-Shmazi" Says Wernher von Braun!!
Sean951 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 00:36:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once rockets go up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department, says Werner von Braun.
Razorray21 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So? a lot of our post war rocket scientists came from Germany.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a cool fact.
You're on a thread about interesting ideas and achievements.
BLT_Special ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"The Elon of Mars" has a nice ring to it as a title.
Foxehh2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/Braveryjerk approves of this information.
paross ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be interesting to see him declare Mars part of South Africa.
Suddenly the second-world country becomes an interplanetary superpower and leader of the new free world.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that is incredible......
jackwoww ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, maybe Musk's parents read that book
adamsmith93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my most favourite coincidence.
jeeprhyme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk was born after this. Maybe his parents had this in mind?
BrosenkranzKeef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if this actually fucking happened? Would you shit? I would.
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-- Tom Lehrer :)
OfAaron3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the hyperlink, "German Scientist", the man designed the bloody Saturn V!
Also I'd argue that Hermann Oberth was the grandfather of rocketry.
mepat1111 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 21:34:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to live long enough to see Elon Musk finish anything.
He's still trying to sort out the Model S production problems, but hey, lets bring out the Model X and Model 3 as well.
While we're dealing with the battery supply problems for our Powerwall and cars, but let's promise to build a giant battery farm in South Australia anyway. Actually, let's build a Hyperloop too while we're at it.
Having cashflow issues at Tesla? Let's just merge with another capital intensive, unprofitable company - that'll solve ALL of our problems!
Appable ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tesla has some issues, but SpaceX seems to be doing quite well.
mepat1111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 08:05:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They have missed almost every launch target they've set for years now. They're getting there slowly, but no doubt they'd be doing a better job if Elon wasn't trying to build Tesla, Solarcity, SpaceX etc.
Appable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Missed every launch target? It seems that they've adhered to schedules this year. I think the main criticism is Falcon Heavy delays, but FH was fundamentally not a good use of development time at all. Falcon 9 has become a mature launch system.
Scrubs are fairly common in the launch market, and certainly don't imply failure. For example, ULA has had some similar issues with their vehicles in the last year: GPS-IIF-11 was delayed for a GSE issue, WorldView 4 was delayed for an unspecified technical issue, and OA-7 delayed for a hydraulic issue. The important factor is that vehicle performance should be good, and it has been for SpaceX.
khaaanquest ยท 130 points ยท Posted at 11:28:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just you wait and see. The older he gets, the more money he has that he doesn't know what to do with, it'll go to some really outlandish stuff. I'm talking stuff that'll make the hyperloop seem inconsequential.
gerdataro ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is he into life extension stuff yet? Because Silicon Valley has a subset obsessed with immortality and it's...a bit creepy and cultish.
lifeishardthenyoudie ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:07:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it creepy and cultish? Rich people being interested in immortality is probably a good thing because they can invest a crazy amount of money into it even if the chances of succeeding are slim. Our best bet to get affordable immortality is probably the rich succeeding at getting it first.
As soon as someone succeeds to be immortal he or she will need to make the solution accessible (at least the patent). Governments, police, health care professionals and military will all want to get their hands on it and will probably quickly join the "immortality for everyone" side which will make it really dangerous for anyone to oppose it.
thebluepool ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:28:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man that's really optimistic to think they'd give it up to everyone. Immortality is most useful if only a few have it since money wouldn't really matter anymore and one could accumulate power over centuries.
lifeishardthenyoudie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:02:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think they'd want to give it up to everyone, just that they'd have to. Everyone would want it, including governments, which means that there'd likely be multiple nations prepared to use their military against a single rich person. No use to just give it to rich people and the military either, because regular people, police and the health care workers required to administer the treatment would quickly turn against the military and the rich if they don't get access to the treatment. There's probably a lot of people who'd be prepared to kill to get themselves or their families immortality, so you'd need a lot of people (like a large part of the planet's population) and a huge amount of fire power to keep the rest of the people from forcing you to give them the treatment.
thebluepool ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would they make it publicly known that they've succeeded though? More likely they'd fake failure and run off with their actual findings, nobody else the wiser.
junglewater11 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:44:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I think that if they discover immortality a whole team will have worked on the project. I think it could leak
LeDudicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That whole time might end up dead before they have the chance though.
fabhellier ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. People like to bash the super rich but ultimately they're the ones with the ability to invest in new technologies.
4DimensionalToilet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh God. Imagine politicians that can keep getting re-elected forever, because they refuse to give up their immortality.
It'd probably be the worst ones, too.
zombieincomplete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But who would immortality be a good thing
DGolden ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thoroughly sub-light-speed travel times to other nearby star systems with currently plausible technologies (decades to centuries) are much less of a problem if you don't arrive there dead of old age.
Nanaki__ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
as long as I have an off switch I can flip I've no problem with living for a very long time.
lifeishardthenyoudie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's like asking why you'd want free sushi for the rest of your life when you don't want to eat it every day. Why wouldn't you want it?
You could live as long as you wanted to instead of your luck/fate/whatever making that choice for you. Just because you can live until you're 3000 doesn't mean you have to.
JayQue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because, man, I don't even want the free life every day, never mind forever.
PercyBoydStaunton ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 12:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have the same feeling. Elon Musk has ideas that would make you chortle if said by a young child, but he has the wherewithal to actually move forward with them.
JayQue ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:46:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the word chortle. It's an onomatopoeia to me, kind of.
probablyhrenrai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:01:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like guffaw, chuckle, giggle, whisper, drip, drop, and slam, I actually think that it is a bit of an onomatopoeia, though I could be wrong.
JayQue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. Obviously the sound isn't exact to the word, especially since everyone's would vary a little, but you definitely get the gist of it from that word.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HardlightCereal ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:28:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine: you're a bright young demigenius, with a new degree, and the power to work anywhere you want. On the one hand: lots of money so you can buy Star Wars merch and that street-legal TRON bike. On the other: making The Martian actually happen.
Tough choice.
dragoneye ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:36:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely the former. There is plenty of work out there that is really interesting and fulfilling yet doesn't sound as flashy. Work that is more important to many people than making it to another planet. I won't stand for being underpaid and overworked because it is "changing the world". Maybe this is something that I've learned only because I've worked for a few years after school.
thebluepool ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:31:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money. No question about it. Why would you want to work on musks projects only for Elon to get all the credit at the end?
Qorinthian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's be real, unless you are doing something on the level of Elon, anything you work on will not give you direct credit.
thebluepool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point exactly. That's why you go for money. Why slave away for a man who's not only paying you peanuts but also won't share any credit?
Qorinthian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
99% of working people never get any credit. So at this point it's really a money vs passion conversation.
thebluepool ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's a your money vs. someone else's passion question.
Qorinthian ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:28:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, people can share passions. If you don't feel passionate about something, that's your prerogative, but there are people who are willing to commit to working on them without pay. Do you have trouble understanding that people can and will do that?
thebluepool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol all is see is your willingness to stroke dick to anything and everything Elon Musk.
This guy isn't the only person working on these goals and he sure as shit isn't offering the best salaries. If you wanna have some guy shit all over you in the name of "passion", that's your prerogative, but anyone with any common sense would opt for better, if less publicized, companies or research institutions.
ansty13 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If anyone can make the Ironman Hulk Buster suit equipped with alternate heart power supply it's Elon Musk
Red_of_Head ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:54:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the hyperloop was pretty inconsequential. Did they even end up doing anything about it?
LifeOfCray ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:31:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That thing is so unfeasible
thebluepool ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And unnecessary. I don't get the hype.
Qorinthian ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Economic and technological growth is limited by the speed at which we can transport items from one place to another. Speeding this up will connect more people around the globe, similar to what the Internet did for cyberspace.
Imagine what people can do if they could get from Boston to DC in half an hour. People can visit families any time instead of taking vacations. People can travel to business meetings flights without wasting hours on a plane. People can deliver packages the day of instead of waiting days for the UPS to get things there. People can even work in DC and live in Boston. Every company has an expanded pool of available workforce and everyone gets more opportunities for jobs.
Granted it may take years before Hyperloop prices drop to the level of the average person, but every new technology must start somewhere. I'll bet there were people equally conservative about planes when they were first developed - why take a risk and fly when you already have trains?
LifeOfCray ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:35:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how do you keep that stretch of length in complete vacuum while you account for heat expansion and heat shrinking. Not to mention random whackos that likes shooting stuff?
Qorinthian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not for me to explain. But great feats of engineering have been continually accomplished (see construction of the Millau Viaduct, the English Channel Tunnel, Burj Khalifa e.g.) and I don't see these issues as anything that can be solved by real engineers given enough time (I am not an engineer, just an architect.)
As to your last problem about whackos - I believe the tunnel will be underground.
Ultimately it comes down to maintenance costs when determining whether it is successful or not, but that is no reason to halt progress, especially if it is privately funded by someone else.
LifeOfCray ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:30:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of those deal with complete vacuum under atmospheric pressure. You know what happens if something fails under atmospheric pressure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N17tEW_WEU This.
This is what happens. And that's not even close to the vacuum the hyperloop is proposing.
What would happen to the hyperloop if that happened? Cascading, catastrophic, failure. All that cargo or all those humans inside? They just got a hell of a lot smaller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsoE4F2Pb20 at least it would be quick.
Look, there's a reason architects don't build hyperloops. And it's the same reason they propose things as hanging skyscrapers from meteors. You're not engineers.
thebluepool ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:00:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly this. I'm all for pushing the envelope in scientific development but this proposal is nonsense. Why spend money and risk lives trying a new method of transportation when we already have viable existing methods that can be improved upon? Ones that have significantly fewer risks, I might add.
Qorinthian ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:11:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never claimed to be an engineer - and Elon is not an architect. He is still an engineer, so to blame the pipe dream on architects is stupid when architects are not even touching the Hyperloop.
And yes, a failure would be catastrophic - but that would be a failure of the tube enclosure, not the cargo capsule. Yes, it will be deadly if the failure occurs next to a capsule, but given there will be thousands of miles of loop track, that is unlikely. There will obviously be safety precautions and the system will be tested to hell before they let people in there. You can reinforce the capsule, use emergency brakes in case of failure, etc etc such that a failure will not kill humans.
And this is not a fucking meteor.
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shadowbanned2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:12:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk should hire you! Clearly that dumbass didn't think this through
LifeOfCray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! Maybe he should! If he was affiliated with the hyperloop company!
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thebluepool ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't some magical teleportation technology, it's a vacuum sealed tube transporting a cart. That tube being land locked means its never going to be as fast or as useful as planes.
You want to increase the ease of transportation? Self driving planes or drones for the average person. Self driving cars to prevent traffic jams and allow multitasking while you're driven. That's the future.
Hyperloop is throwing money at something which will provide marginal benefits over short to medium distances along with its own set of immutable problems.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there are companies working on it, there is a serious project in Dubai.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HardlightCereal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:26:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Start with boring vehicle tunnels
Qorinthian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes and they have already completed a test run.
vonmonologue ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos each have enough money to build and operate a small fleet of aircraft carriers.
I don't understand how you can have that much money and not fund the research for an Iron Man suit. I know some of the stuff the suit does isn't possible in the real world, but I feel like with a decade and 80 billion dollars we could get hovering, armed, laser shooting powered armor.
And why wouldn't you!? Can you imagine how ISIS would shit their pants when every enemy soldier requires an anti-tank weapon to take down!?
Jupiterswrath ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:08:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Iron Man suit needs the Arc Reactor to function. It's the most basic technology of the suit, and it is also pure sci-fi since it's basically miniaturized fusion tech.
i_will_let_you_know ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They didn't get rich frivolously spending money.
thebluepool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US government has trillions and they haven't done it yet, why would a billionaire with 90 billion in stocks and assets be able to?
Qorinthian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, developing weapons is different from developing clean technology. US Gov would definitely get concerned and involved.
Jumpingflounder ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:35:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's definitely more of a lex luthor
brymiller2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:42:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tony Hawk*
darexinfinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would be Hawkeye
Sleep_Fapnea ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:06:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He actually strikes me much more as the Lex Luthor type
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:33:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Lex Luthor
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool story of how he'll do it
elon is more of an Iron man villain
The story uses Tony but Elon fits better I think
muddybunny3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:25:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was awesome.
MokitTheOmniscient ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 13:49:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Musk isn't an engineer, he's just a hype salesman.
ssnistfajen ยท 54 points ยท Posted at 15:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The amount of people on this website fervently worshipping Elon Musk is creepy and unsettling.
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should start a subreddit /r/IWillNotSuckTheDongOfElon
AfroNinjaNation ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 18:05:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/enoughmuskspam
darexinfinity ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SHUN THE HEATHEN
probablyhrenrai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:02:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The no-dealerships thing is fucking fantastic though; I love that about Tesla.
redzin ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He has a degree in physics. He got accepted into grad school (for a PhD in physics) but dropped out to pursue entrepreneurship instead of academia. Besides, have you seen his speeches? His strength is definitely not his salesmanship, just sayin'.
People get hyped because he's the only person with both the money and the will to build shit that sounds like it belongs in scifi.
MokitTheOmniscient ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:39:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or more accurately, announce "shit that sounds like it belongs in scifi" to generate hype, and then use said hype to get more investors.
It's basically a huge pyramid scheme.
mrmahoganyjimbles ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:22:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is not how pyramid schemes work. That's just being a legitimate business.
MokitTheOmniscient ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:59:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of his businesses are making losses, yet they're kept afloat through enormous amounts of investment money.
mrmahoganyjimbles ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:17:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which still isn't a pyramid scheme, that's just investors believing that the businesses will one day turn a profit. If what musk wants pans out, they're in for a huge return. If it doesn't, they made a poor investment. That's just business, it's not always guaranteed to be profitable, but nothing about Tesla's financial situation is unethical.
Chispy ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:12:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is pretty common in business.
Musk is just re-engineering the process itself.
Collective hypetricity is a great way to supercharge new inventions and push Humanity forward.
Appable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:41:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't know the profitability of SpaceX. It's marginal either way and they're heavily investing in multiple projects so they won't have high profits for a long while.
Hcmichael21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:07:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea what you're talking about. People who have worked for him testify to his asinine ability to learn and retain information. He's an expert in many fields of engineering.
lyrencropt ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:01:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.google.com/search?q=asinine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Typo or freudian slip?
Hcmichael21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's a cultural thing, but in this context it means ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, etc.
Edit: clicked the link and those are all literally listed as synonyms but okay.. I'm stupid downvote me u/lyrencropt
ExRays ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:15:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he is a physicist, which is damn good on it's own. He has degrees in physics and economics.
kloiik ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is so not true
captaindriftless ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why aren't more people pointing this out?!
MokitTheOmniscient ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:07:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, for obvious reasons, he's pretty good at generating hype, which reddit tends to just gobble up without any hesitation.
captaindriftless ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:10:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He just comes off as a massive megalomaniac to me tbh, also all his rambling about life possibly being a simulation hust makes him sound a little too 14-and-deep.
lungabow ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:00:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you, and people like to ignore all these stories about how terrible it is to work for his companies too.
probablyhrenrai ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And the often-poor initial quality of Teslas, not to mention the downright horrific wait times for repairs and replacements when things break.
He's done a great job of normalizing electric cars, but Teslas are not on par with luxury automotive brands as far as fit and finish is concerned.
ExRays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ExRays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for your response!
1 and 4: These are related and are definitely a cause for pause. I don't think those justify saying it is "not a nice place to work," but it's fucked up that they didn't compensate their employees for those breaks. They seemed to resolve the issue, and it was only one California statute in particular they fell out of line with. I'll watch them carefully on this. Thank you!
2: I don't really see a negative here. They were ramping up development of the Falcon Heavy at the time 2 years ago so it makes sense.
3: From 80k asking down to 72k doesn't seem that bad and 72k as a starting salary is not that bad. I don't know what OP's financial situation is but it is possible to live comfortably on that. He also doesn't say how much experience he actually has so it's hard to judge if he got unfairly low-balled. SpaceX was up front about what they would pay and he promptly declined which is fine. This doesn't seem like bad interaction, just a guy making a career decision in his best interests which is good.
Bherd25 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree let's all follow captaindriftless's life goals and dreams instead.
captaindriftless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, wouldnt be too terrible. It'd be worth it to see historians try and explain why some previously unheard of 20-something suddenly become a cultural pilot light for some reason.
SecretGrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So... what are your dreams?
captaindriftless ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:22:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm, I'm hoping theres a smash bros on the switch soon... and I'm kinda looking forwards to when we have robots capable of high fives. Clean drinking water being readily avalible to the majority of the world would be cool too.
SecretGrey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can get behind that. My mom does water development in rural west Africa. You gotta be the change and all that.
captaindriftless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:42:21 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donate to a few good causes when money is good and help out with habitat when I can. Nothing that amazing though, your mom is a badass.
ExRays ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it is not correct.
redzin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:21:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's not true? He has a degree in physics and was pursuing a PhD in physics before dropping out to pursue entrepeneurship instead.
KipOfGallus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's certainly very smart. I still think he's a salesperson though.
ExRays ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well he gets results. No other space company launches and recovers their rockets. That saves tens of millions per launch
KipOfGallus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He does get results, he sells his ideas even when he doesn't though
ExRays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not every idea is going to stick. That is just how entrepreneurship works. I don't see that as a downside.
Hcmichael21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's not true...
9315808 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:13:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For someone whose a hype salesman, he has the weird byproduct of delivering on what he says (albeit late at times).
sappy17389 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He also has this weird habit of having his rockets explode
9315808 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They've had no failures this year whatsoever. The falcon 9 is currently sitting at 36 launches total (lifetime) with two failures, putting them at a 95% success rate.
Marha01 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:27:50 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good. If your rockets never explode, and especially during early years, then you are wasting money on too much safety. Fly early, fly often, learn from failures.
Qorinthian ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He literally worked on Tesla and SpaceX directly. Anyone in his workforce can attest to that. Despite losses, he has delivered working electric cars, solar-battery farms, and reusable rockets. He has accomplished many things with no intention to stop - he is not going to make off with the money.
What do you actually know about Elon Musk?
CheatedOnOnce ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn engineers out here so offended
deadgnome ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 17:41:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nevermind the one company actively launching stuff into space and the other making electric cars.
NightFire19 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that's a double-edged sword if we're talking about comic Tony Stark...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comic book Stark is a dick.
NightFire19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's my point. Unless we're implying that Elon is already a dick.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they just want the suit, I like to think Elon isn't Stark-like in his personality.
pkpzp228 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And Jeff Bezos will become Iron Monger
gnarkilleptic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:13:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Max Zorin or some other comperable Bond villain
robby_synclair ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Lex Luther
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He just needs to get over his social awkwardness I think
s0mething_awes0me ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember someone explaining why it won't be feasible for him to become Tony stark/iron man. Can't recall where?
sappy17389 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because all Tesla's projects blow up
billiarddaddy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:01:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you want him to die from alcoholism?
_gosh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hardest part will be to grow a goatee.
Bamboozle_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:14:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can he be Tungsten Man though? Iron just doesn't cut it.
donghit ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:08:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
ToxinFoxen ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:04:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you meant to say Elon Musk becoming Skynet.
Quicheauchat ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:46:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought he was very anti Skynet.
ToxinFoxen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:19:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't you read any of the disturbing transhumanist statements he's made?
toasting2oblivion ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:06:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's Zuckerberg and his newbie AI engineers.
teenytinylittleant ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:11:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can he marry into the Stark family?
showyerbewbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really socially acceptable to be seen marrying someone in a lower caste than your own.
Intoxic8edOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be his son though?
AcceleratedDragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jeff Bezos is almost Lex Luthor.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see his iron man suit.
ivanoski-007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:22:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he need to sell weapon tech to become stark first
giantsamalander ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:21:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the expensive of the American taxpayers, too.
suscitare ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:02:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you typed "Elon Musk becoming Star Trek".
BaxInBlack ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:55:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well let's not rule anything out
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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stenzeroni ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:41:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/nothingeverhappens
tydestra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, he's not human. He's an alien just trying to go home.
ziggrrauglurr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, this heathens don't know that the GSV Unfortunate Conflict Of Evidence is monitoring our advance.
ParadoxInABox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shhhhhh the Minds haven't given us clearance to talk about that yet. Where is your drone? He should have explained this.
ziggrrauglurr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:11:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know they want us to taunt them to see if they find out the truth, it's all a game to the Minds.
Besides, the few that are aware of it, still think it's all just a meme for those novels by that hack Ryan N. Blanks (or something).
Heard he was back at the ship, I hope he is having a good rest.
Seriously, using historical texts to establish himself as a SciFi writer?
Anyway, I disgress, don't worry, it's not like we have a Perosteck circling our necks.
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IPoopYouPoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i guess it would make sense if he had a son who was a genius, who then became tony stark
[deleted] ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 11:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Tacosareneat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:22:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's getting closer, largely due to CRISPR Cas9, but one of the biggest concerns still is off-target effects leading to cancer by disrupting genes preventing cancer development.
Shadoscuro ยท 196 points ยท Posted at 14:12:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Male contraception. Not only would it be a huge breakthrough, but imagine the impacts it would have on our society.
Would birthrates plummet? Would stds spike? How would women/big condom companies react? I think it'd not only be scientifically great but also fascinating to see the effects of a widespread, affordable, male contraceptive.
bluew200 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:32:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google Vasalgel. Estimates are 2018-2020
omninoodle ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:40:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised at how many people don't know about this.. I'm eagerly awaiting it's release. Once Vasalgel is on the market, my IUD is coming out. Vasalgel is so harmless compared to any other female birth control method. Really hoping it's ready by next year.
Shadoscuro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know about, and have been following it. But I'm expecting we won't see it for another 5 years beyond that, at least for any meaningful amount of coverage.
cigr ยท 105 points ยท Posted at 15:46:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prediction:
Pregnancy will spike due to men lying about being on the pill when they aren't.
DouglasGaddis ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 16:31:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bro, I feel like this is the last issue men would have. We'd get all the benefits minus the one obvious negative: unplanned pregnancy. We'd be so accurate with the pill it would damn near eliminate accidental pregnancy.
fenceloverfence ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 17:06:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
go on childfree and search stories of women who have met with agression, manipulation and "oopsing" upon telling their partners (or even first dates) that they don't plan on procreating. It some kids of myth from 90's sitcoms that men are always shunning the idea of kids while the wifie nags him
DouglasGaddis ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:08:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like your example is by far the smaller population of men. A vast majority of us are either responsible or just don't like aggression, manipulation, and "oopsing". Lol.
fenceloverfence ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:30:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ok, but answer yourself what kids of men have unplanned kids and then reread this part of your comment: " We'd be so accurate with the pill it would damn near eliminate accidental pregnancy". A male pill would be nice, but the demographic that would buy it is the demographic that already knows how to not have unplanned kids. The floozies who SHOULD be buying it are not gonna because they are floozies
cigr ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A friend of my daughter got pregnant because the guy she was with claimed he had a vasectomy.
Plenty of dumb men out there.
Satanscommando ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:56:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean blindly trusting someone and letting them blow a load in you is in itself fairly stupid as well. He's a shitty human being though.
cigr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, she's not that bright. And yes, he is a horrible human being.
Shadoscuro ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well did he have a vasectomy? There are plenty of instances of surprise pregnancies post surgery. Especially if it was recent and he hadn't had the 6-12 months of follow ups with his doc.
cigr ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he was just lying.
BLOOOR ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:52:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is an unknown number of men around this planet, generations of them, that are not only arrogantly stupid, they believe their self-worth is defined by their ability to impregnate someone.
anxdiety ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets not forget the other side of that. Men lying that they aren't on the pill and then heading for a DNA test.
Soren11112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is wrong with that?
anxdiety ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:08:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying it's right or wrong. Just that a male contraceptive beyond condoms would shift some of the power balance in who controls conception. Just picture what it would do to family courts with more contested parentage. It would be a major shift in traditional family structure that we'd feel as a society.
fenceloverfence ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:51:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why would male pill have any effect on cases of contested parentage ? We have had DNA tests for a while and they're more reliable than a man saying "But I used contraception"
anxdiety ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it would be more widely used than the current form of male not condom birth control in a vasectomy. We already have situations of discrete vasectomies leading to contested parentage. A non invasive over the counter option would increase that significantly.
fenceloverfence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so you're assuming that now men who have some reason to get a paternity test just can't be bothered and instead CHOOSE to pay/raise their unplanned kid for 18 years? There is a cost/benefit problem in your reasoning. The potential cost of not getting a test is already big enough to go get a test.
anxdiety ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no idea how you've gotten all that out of what I've stated. I'm not in disagreement with you on the whole cost and reasoning to have a paternity test.
What I am saying is that the dynamics of relationships will change. No longer will it be entirely on women to take a pill daily. Men will have the option to take that role as well. Just as there is situations of women not being truthful about their usage of the pill we will see the same from men.
The number vary but there's studies that show 1-2% of fathers are not the biological father of the child they think is theirs. The advent of male birth control will affect this number.
Shadoscuro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is part of the reason I'm excited for it. Maybe not the best of things to be excited for but no one said there had to only be "positive" effects from the OP.
Shadoscuro ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why though? I don't want to make too crude a generalization as this is reddit, but in general I'd say women lie to trap a man, either financially or emotionally. If it is the other way around, the only way I see men lying is for the emotional trap (not cause of wages but maternity leave, costs of child, and general favor of courts siding with the mother).
So in theory it should be a strict reduction. Then again we know most guys would prefer no condoms to condoms, so if they go no condoms would this be their out? So I see what you mean, but then you have to question if they are against condoms specifically or contraception in general.
Bit of my internal monologue above, but I definitely see it headed in your way at first. Though I'd imagine it trending back in favor when it is as widespread/available as female contraception is currently.
BLOOOR ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:53:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I said in another reply - there are men whose self-worth is tied to their ability to impregnate women.
Good_parabola ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 16:09:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women want male contraception so much. Female contraception is basically to over-ride & break their hormones and has lots of side effects. We look forward to men being the ones to endure that instead.
easterween ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone should take them! Wooo less of a risk and equal responsibility:)
Good_parabola ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 19:02:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, we should come up with contraception that doesn't break people and cause terrible side effects.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:54:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, that is what you want for women - you don't really care what happens to the men as you just said above..
Good_parabola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lady, you need to stop being so clueless. The male contraceptive being tested now is a gel injected into the vas defrens to block sperm but it's reversible. That doesn't break men's endocrine systems.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:22:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a guy. You said you look forward to men dealing with the hormone issues in your previous post...
easterween ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:44:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeeeah as a woman myself, I wanted to call this person out. We should ALL have to be on BC haha. Less risk of getting oopsed
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree - castration for all!! Just kidding, but thanks for the reply!
easterween ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:11:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snip snipโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธโ๏ธ
Good_parabola ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:08:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I didn't. Stop reading intent you imply in there yourself. You picked a different object for "it" than the sentence requires. Fix your own grammar.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:11:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um yes, you quite literally did. You said women currently deal with X, and that it is time for men to deal with it...
Also, You mean infer, not imply, so don't worry about my grammar, work on your own.
s_h_d ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since I'm aware of all the side effects (including coma, death and smelly breath), I'm much more against the pill, even as a male.
Condoms work against all the STDs while the pill only provides protection against pregnancy. It's not really a good deal; cancer, death and permanent damage of internal organs (that is, if something really goes wrong) aren't things to joke around with.
Given, the pill works, but it's more of a sledgehammer approach.
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
From a personal perspective - I got a benign liver tumour from being on the pill - not life threatening, but was beginning to impact liver function at the point it was detected; definitely quality of life impacting.
gablerr ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 02:00:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"It's easier to unload a gun than to shoot at a bulletproof vest"
DanielFrigginJackson ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember hearing about this just last year, but men didn't like the side effects (you know, the same side effects women observe when on bc).
CrazyDave42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:58:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, there were trials for a male injection in the ass every month, and I mean aside from the needles thing off putting people, the side effects ranged from normal suicidal tendencies to sterility; It'll get there, just takes time and it's not as straight forward to make pills for compared to female birth control which regulates hormones(correct me if wrong)
dm_86 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forgot how companies that make small condoms would react
Shadoscuro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:05:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah big condo doesn't come across the same way big pharma does.
fenceloverfence ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think not much would change. The irresponsible men who now have unplanned kids would continue to have them because they are irresponsible. Male contraception exists
Thei1oetEafei0sh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:44:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Male contraception did not make sense to me for quite a while because I recognized that most women who are not trying to get pregnant wouldn't trust men who say they have male contraception. This was until I realized that it's really for men to prevent women from being able to get pregnant without the man's consent.
Here's a little game theory to help understand the situation:
Suppose a woman does not want to get pregnant. Pregnancy is a very high cost to the woman. The man could leave her and she would be on the hook for raising a baby. If the man says he's on birth control, there is a chance (f) he could be lying, in which case she could get pregnant and be saddled with a high cost (P_baby)). If she determines the risk to be low enough she would trust him, but that has to be balanced with the cost of her being on birth control (P_female). Female birth control has pretty low costs, so if P_female < f * P_baby she should just stay on birth control. P_baby is very high, in the range of hundreds of thousands of dollars, let's use $233,610 for 18 years. Female birth control may be as much as $50/month. If a woman doesn't want children for five years, the total cost of female birth control may be $3,000. Now that's probably way higher than most people with insurance may pay, but that's an upper limit. Now solve for f > P_female/P_baby = 2%, which means that if there's a 2% chance of the guy lying, the woman should stay on birth control. I think most reasonable people would think that there is at least that much chance the man could lie, and so it's natural that a woman would stay on birth control. I'm using these numbers for illustrative purposes, don't actually quote the 2% value since I'm more trying to get an answer in the ballpark.
Now for the man's perspective.
If the woman gets pregnant, and she is poor, the man could be on the hook for almost the entire cost of raising a child due if he stays with her or if she's awarded child support. So I'll use P_baby as the same here. The math all works out the same, in that if the man thinks there's more than a few percent chance the woman is lying, the man should stay on birth control. If the price of birth control is lower, there's an even lower threshold for lying becomes close to 0%. So if male birth control is cheap, even if a man is nearly certain the woman is not lying, he should be on male birth control.
So the equilibrium is now that both the man and woman are on birth control if they don't want kids. That's great! It means a very low chance of having an unwanted child, which is good for EVERYONE. And if a means of birth control has something like a 1% failure rate per year, having two kinds of birth control should make that (1%)2 = 0.01% chance per year.
AnneDeGuilleroy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:10:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or, you know, it could be great for established couples who choose that the man will be responsible for birth control.
Satanscommando ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm almost certain STD's would spike. People would just be blowing their loads in each other regularly.
Password_Loser ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:59:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A condom is male contraception.
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if guys will use them.
Password_Loser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same with pills, shots, intrauterine devices (or the future male equivalent)... contraceptives all have to be used for them to work.
ScootLif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a method that is being tested currently, it's called RISUG. They create an incision in your vas defrens and add a polymer to stop sperm from making it out. It seems like a much better alternative to vasectomy as it is reversible.
Deshra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On that thought, why not a way to improve or completely alter the taste of semen? I'm sure more women would love to drain some "chocolate" from their husband.
libertysince05 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:05:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that would be very good indded.
heIloizme ยท 148 points ยท Posted at 14:34:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meow-to-English translator
munkey13 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 22:17:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Meow" = "Fuck you, Feed ME!"
awena626 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 22:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally something relevant to my interests.
jnw1991 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 22:32:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we really want to know what they think of us?
pleasehelpssll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes because we'll love them anyway
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:13:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, hey, HEY, HEY.
PracticallyANurse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:33:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's bark, not meow. You need to keep up with your Gary Larson theories
tonksndante ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We arleady have that. Its reddit.
Innalibra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Where's my food you punk-ass bitch"
"Fuck off"
amazingoomoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:32:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My cat is such a little cunt I bet he is saying miaow in cat-speak so that even translating it to English it would just say "miaow"
Fraerie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you assume they mean "feed me", you'll be right 90+% of the time.
BabbysRoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:24:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meow = FOOD! FOOD!
Meow = POOP! POOP!
Meow = A POX ON YOU, PHILISTINE!
MezaQueMasAplauda ยท 302 points ยท Posted at 13:55:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For my homies to stop going to jail for weed
ContinuumKing ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:52:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot of the other ones are pretty tall orders to see in a lifetime, but this one I'm pretty sure is gonna happen before I'm dead. Unless I get hit by a car tomorrow.
ThatTrashBaby ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You ded?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 06:56:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Op Doesn't react. He ded by the feds.
ContinuumKing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 07:57:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not yet, but tomorrow is another day full of cars, so we'll see.
nuclearpunk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:45:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I ironically made my Facebook picture have a sticker saying "this MOMMY is against MARIJUANA" because it's so ridiculous, I am not a mommy nor am I against marijuana
bluew200 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.TZauYM6yZ
severed13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amen
IAMABitchassMofoAMA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For real, my buddy just got 24 months of probation and only because he pawned his shit for a good lawyer. The system is fucked.
LofeeZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What homies lmao
GiantMolePetPls ยท -46 points ยท Posted at 16:14:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post history checks out.
Tell your "homies" to stop breaking the law and they won't go to jail. Works every time.
MaskedManFromTheUK ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 16:23:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's saying he wants weed to be legal, just because the law says it's wrong doesn't make it wrong.
GiantMolePetPls ยท -32 points ยท Posted at 16:32:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the law says it's wrong that means you can't cry for change when you break it. You don't NEED to smoke weed.
MaskedManFromTheUK ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 16:33:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the law is wrong then you should protest it and try and fight for it to be changed? You don't need to do anything but you shouldn't go to jail for doing something as small as smoking weed, especially when you can legally get so drunk you pass out every day from morning to evening.
GiantMolePetPls ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 16:42:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do you think weed being illegal is wrong? They aren't banning water lol. Get real lad. If you smoke weed in a state in which it is against the law to do so you are a criminal. Point blank.
MaskedManFromTheUK ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:58:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it doesn't hurt anyone plus it's nice and people enjoy it?? Like I said if something is illegal and you don't think it should then you have every right to try and make it legal
mydogsmokeyisahomo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"I think this rule is unjust and we should have a nationwide conversation to end the ignorant justification for the law!"...../u/GiantMolePetPls "your a criminal shut up!"
GiantMolePetPls ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all are just a bunch of pot heads lol.
willmaster123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably wouldn't be saying that in 1927 about alcohol during prohibition. Or are you the type to yell at jaywalkers and call them criminals too?
_Eerie ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:03:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That you can go to jail for weed, isn't an argument against weed. It's an argument against the law.
ThePeoplesBard ยท 3162 points ยท Posted at 11:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many Mars comments. With all due respect (because Mars does sound cool), I want to see us figure the Earth thing out. And a key to that is renewable energy. I hate the way politicians posit the whole argument as renewables versus fossil fuels. Why make it a battle? Let's just say we're into renewables because it's cool as shit. Plants literally turn the sunlight into sugar. It's like goddamned magic. Humanity should strive for the same thing. If I was president right now, I would be stumping for renewables; it's the modern race for the moon in my mind.
SharpshooterHIT ยท 1026 points ยท Posted at 12:46:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't understand how it go so politicised. It would be as stupid as someone politicising horses v cars, vaccines vs none, lightbulbs v candles.
It's fucking pure and simple science. It fits with all non-science beliefs.
Want to be isolationist and hate other countries (ala Trump) become 100% energy independent and make your own through solar. It creates new high paying jobs. It makes your country technologically advanced.
michaelsamcarr ยท 751 points ยท Posted at 13:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If candles and horses were a trillion dollar industry, led by shady people willing to put money in politicians pockets, I can assure you it'd be the same.
MistarGrimm ยท 213 points ยท Posted at 13:38:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but a car versus a horse is easy. You just show them your car is faster has more comfort.
It's much harder to show something that doesn't happen immediately.
natephant ยท 179 points ยท Posted at 13:52:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea but if your horse breaks down, at least you have dinner.
Bakytheryuha ยท 70 points ยท Posted at 14:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know, man. Upholstery tastes pretty good when cooked properly.
Garfield_ ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:13:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"There's very little meat in these gym mats!"
benicetogroupies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:48:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The McRib is back?
Neato ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Silly daddy! You can't eat carpet.
nullagravida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:02:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DonMan8848 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is why I can't buy a Tesla. Vegan upholstery.
RonSwanson4POTUS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw, Horsely 2
superciuppa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:03:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real crux of the situation is that petrol cars are cool and sound awesome, electric cars are seen as slow and boring pieces of shit (not so much now thanks to our lord and savior Elon Musk). Cars are so high on our list of priorities that they almost fulfill our life meaning, if you have a nice house and a cool car you pretty much figured it out and everyone sees you as a successful guy. Nobody thought that electric cars were cool until recently so the energetic revolution took a long time to take hold, but I'm pretty confident that recent developments have finally kickstarted it...
gropingforelmo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:29:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't care if a car has a cool means of propulsion, only that it gets them from A to B. More people care how a car looks, but that's actually in the favor of electric, as packaging is more flexible.
The biggest issue by far, and why I don't personally own an electric vehicle right now, is I can't get in an electric car, and drive 400 miles to see my family. Right now, I get in my car, drive ~250 miles, stop in one of the dozens of small towns along the way for 5-10 minutes for fuel and to walk around, then drive the rest of the way with the knowledge I can pull into any of thousands of gas stations if needed. Give me an electric infrastructure that does the same, and I'll drive electric every day, and the V8 will stay in the garage as a special thing for sunny weekends.
superciuppa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True that, but i think (and tbh it's my opinion and I'm not really an expert) that if electric cars would have been more popular in past years, we already would have figured out most of the logistical problems, you know the demand drives the market and all that... look at how fast e-vehicles are improving right now, simply because now people wanna buy them.
gropingforelmo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:59:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can definitely agree with that. It's the old chicken and egg problem; the infrastructure won't grow naturally without demand, but demand is hindered because of the lack of infrastructure. That's why I think subsidies and directed research grants are needed to push technology to the point where the market can take over.
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you are both right. Older people care how cool their cars are. Younger people don't.
You can drive 400 miles to see your family in a Tesla, no problem.
Even if you don't want to buy a Tesla, how often do you see your family? For those few times a year can't you rent a car or take the train?
gropingforelmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can a Tesla go 400 miles without a lengthy stop in the middle to recharge?
To achieve parity in the eyes of the public, even if most don't normally need the ability, requires the freedom to get in an electric car and drive pretty much any direction, and not worry about finding a specific charging point or waiting several hours to charge. Actually replacing the internal combustion engine passenger car is less about fitting the 90% use case, and more about flexibility and freedom in the minds of the buying public.
Edit: Also, my perspective is that of a US buyer, where trains are essentially a non-starter.
proweruser ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:57:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends what you mean by "lengthy" a Tesla can recharge 270km in 30min at a super charger and those are all over the US and western Europe.
An electric car will not have to do any of the things you said. The only thing it will have to do is be cheaper than an ICE car and that is going to be the case within the next 3-4 years.
Okay, I always forget that trains are crap in the US. I quite enjoy going by train from time to time in Germany.
JoeLunchpail ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:45:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I have a trillion dollar horse business and you show me the first car, I'm gonna murder you immediately and feed your car to my horses. They won't like it, but at least they still have jobs.
MistarGrimm ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean sure, the analogy holds. It's an outdated industry large enough to stifle growth in a new industry.
But the cars just were unstoppable. It was too easy to prove that a car was superior.
intredasted ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:16:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why was the car superior?
Because compared to the horse, it provided an imminently measurable upgrade for the buyer.
Renewable energy, on the other had, provides an upgrade that is difficult to measure and benefits the abstract "mankind", often at the expense of "the buyer".
While the car appealed to the selfish self, renewable energy needs to overcome it to succeed. It's a much mire difficult battle from the start.
Enter the lobby.
If, at the birth of the automobile, the social nets that connected the leaders of the horse-powered industries were as close as they are today with the fossil fuels powered industries and they were as rich as they are now, perhaps we'd live in a completely different world.
I don't think this is a battle we can leave to invisible hands of any kind.
Neato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We should probably be pushing the idea that you can generate your own electricity to appeal to the selfish mentality. It has really only come about in the last few years where a majority of places can actually make good use of personal solar panels. And the industries have had too long to entrench their ideas of anti-renewable rhetoric in the public.
HardlightCereal ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:55:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UGH! I hate people! You burn dinosaurs, you die! You turn your roof into a tree, petrol gets cheaper. THE CHOICE IS FUCKING OBVIOUS YOU SUICIDAL RETARDS!!!
I needed to get that out. I don't want to die.
GrandmaChicago ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate to break it to you, HC - but you're gonna die. Maybe not today. Maybe not next week - but eventually, even if you eat right, exercise sensibly, avoid all possible catastrophic incidents like automobile accidents, lightning strikes, volcanos, floods, earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes and bears - one day you're gonna die.
HardlightCereal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather die old than in a manmade apocalypse.
Not_a_real_ghost ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, it was like that when the steam engine was first invented. People initially claimed that you'll suffocate while riding that, and when the steam engine started to run, people claimed that you'll never be able to safely stop.
You think the car vs horse argument is silly because cars have already become a common thing.
MistarGrimm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know the pushback was real. It's just easier to show that it isn't because 'look I have a car right here and it does x and y'.
I don't mean to say that it was done overnight, but it's tangible evidence. So the populace can be convinced a little easier. Something we don't really have regarding renewables. You can't touch climate change, you don't see the immediate effects. Someone without reading up on it can easily dismiss it as 'I can't see it, it doesn't happen'.
LethargicEscapist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until the politicians on behalf of those shady people put regulations on how fast your car goes because it's dangerous and maybe regulates that it's only fit for two people to occupy. Then starts playing ads about the dangers of carbon monoxide that the car spits out.
Neato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially when actually showing them the effect could lead to human societal collapse. It's one of those things where you just need to accept the findings and conclusions of thousands of subject matter experts instead of trying to figure it out on your own.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
as much as they make it seem, politics does not think in the long-term
ConqueefStador ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That transition didn't happen immediately though either. It's very similar to cars vs. driverless cars right now. The technology is interesting but it's not perfect, it's a luxury, and it hasn't reached critical mass yet.
Gotham94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the point is if there was more money in the horse industry they would be hard pressed to keep themselves afloat.
jamasiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Typical pro-carist blather.
Kaywin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think that the lack of scarcity and the fact that sunlight and the wind aren't commodities to be purchased would be an immediate enough incentive from a financial perspective alone, but....
Edit: obviously I meant for companies producing energy
SashimiJones ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:43:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should look up some of the crazy anti-car laws the horse lobby got passed sometime.
BenjewminUnofficial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Link?
SashimiJones ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/100_years_ago_some_people_were_really_hostile_to_the_introduction
You can definitely find more and better sources with more searching.
Danimals847 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:43:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Amazing!!!
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, nice satire!
Danimals847 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That was taken from the link posted by /u/SashimiJones and was proposed as an actual law!
laconicflow ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:31:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Horses were almost certainlly the 19th century version of a billion dollar industry. The key is the new technology becoming so good that no sane person wants the old technology.
LBFilmFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I remember the weeping and wailing over LED light bulbs from the "woe is me" crowd. Now you can barely find any other kind.
nedlum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
William Proctor is just kicking himself that he didn't smear Edison when he had the chance.
nervoustwit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:47:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Always be suspicious of Big Horse.
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure horses were at some point (adjusted for inflation).
Cars still had them replaced within 10 years and electric cars will do the same to ICE cars within the next 10 years as well.
TheBlash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DAE CoRpOrAtIoNs ArE bAd!?!?!?
michaelsamcarr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a fucking idiot.
Where in my comment did I mention that corporations or the concept of corporations are bad?. Or was my one simple sentence (which may have been too complicated for you) , alluding to the negative effects of money on the politics of a country. And how corporations shouldn't have influence on the laws and outcomes of how a country is run. so that the biggest corporations can, not only stop smaller companies from growing, stop new industries from becoming a thing, and in this specific circumstances, fuck the planet up. Instead you replied with a stupid comment that doesn't even question whether im actually hating on corporations, or try and tenure it with facts that corporations are a good thing (which I believe they are), but nah, you just made four words that don't form a coherent sentence.
What an idiot.
Fuck I've been a redditor for almost 8 years now and I hate stupidity like this. Either contribute or don't comment. Simple.
TheBlash ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K๐
Wizard-in--Black ยท 94 points ยท Posted at 12:57:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea that renewable energy has become politicised at all boggles my mind. It shouldn't be some left/right thing, everyone should be concerned about it. After all, we don't have planet B so if we fuck Earth up then we're all screwed.
the_russian_narwhal_ ยท 45 points ยท Posted at 13:12:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's less a left/right thing, and more a money thing. If renewable energy becomes the new norm, where does the 100+ year industry of gas do? And their equipment? It's kind of like vaping. If everybody stopped smoking and started vaping, then RJReynolds and whatever the other couple are, stop making money and they virtually have a shit load of useless garbage, both machinery and product. I hate that that's how it is, but it is. Tesla could be so much more researched and advanced, but corporations working with the government against him has been an obstacle
irwinator ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 13:24:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some industries die, that's part of the market
SharpshooterHIT ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:39:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid socialist how dare you let big companies like this fail, the government should help. Also the government should be less involved in companies and not put regulations on them.
I wish this was sarcasm but it's somehow the mindset of so many right wingers.
tigerbait92 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've literally never heard that first part from a right winger, and I live in the South. If anything, we're cool with businesses failing because it means either they failed to run their business properly, or a superior alternative came about.
Like, yeah, it sucks, but that's just business. I'm not talking about a mom & pop store being beaten by Walmart, because that's just creating a monopoly and I disagree fundamentally with a consumption-based monopoly, even if it's literally the best option for consumers, because competition is what makes for creativity and good products.
Krail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but this is a trillion dollar industry that won't go down without a fight, and they'd likely literally watch the world burn before relinquishing their grasp.
irwinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even like they would die. Plastics will still be a thing as well as cars that have yet to make transitions.
LiveFree1773 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:53:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it's part of the market when the government is giving billions to their competitors.
irwinator ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:59:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't oil companies receive billions in subsidies?
LiveFree1773 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. https://www.forbes.com/sites/drillinginfo/2016/02/22/debunking-myths-about-federal-oil-gas-subsidies/#4aff07be6e1c
http://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2017/04/28/tax_subsidies_for_renewables_now_far_outpaces_fossil_fuels_110217.html
Solar is subsidized 345 times more than coal. Coal produces over 30 times more energy. For the same amount of energy produced, solar is subsidized 10,350 times more than coal.
irwinator ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:20:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The top article was written by someone in the oil industry. And lots of those subsidies reduce the taxes the oil industry pays. Do you think oil companies should pay the same taxes as solar despite causing extreme environmental degredation through oil spills and inducing a economy to keep buying a product that harms the planet.
SharpshooterHIT ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:40:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any 100+ year industry who is too stupid to diversify deserves to fail. If these big companies simply shift R&D into renewables they can maintain their monopoly on the market. We'd still need oil for plastics anyway.
Scogestad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But they aren't. Exxon spends a ton of cash on R&D for renewable energy. They know times are changing and they are ready to get in on the game. Renewables are just not competitive with fossil fuels without massive subsidies yet. What keeps fossil fuels in business is consumer demand for cheap energy.
the_russian_narwhal_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, that's not the point I'm making. I think they deserve to go too. What I'm saying is they have the power and money to fight it using the government
ShadowMoses05 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If these guys were actually smart they would use those billions of dollars that they've accumulated and be the ones to fund this new eco-friendly industry. Companies should evolve and adapt over time not become stagnant because that's the easy thing to do. It still baffles me how every other company in the world has to continuously improve to stay profitable yet big oil can do the same shit they've done for 100 years with no repercussions (besides destroying the earth around them)
TheJD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree it's a money thing but the problem isn't because of the old industries dying out. It's easy for someone to demand we use renewable energy but it's entirely different for them to actually make the sacrifice and buy it themselves. People want their current utility company to switch over to renewables and not charge them any more money for it. People are expecting someone else to do the work and sacrifice to solve the problem without doing any real inconvenience to themselves.
mybustlinghedgerow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that it's a money/corporation thing makes it a left/right thing, sadly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By the same virtue, the people in the renewable industry can't compete so they get government and the people as their weapon to try and disenfranchise their competitors.
When it is truly ready, renewables will dominate and everything will be just fine. They are not there yet.
Adrian_F ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But it's a Chinese hoax! They want us to limit our industry so they can profit more! /s
SparePartsHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why we need that Mars thing. To have planet B, just in case.
Wombiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But Mars doesn't have coal, so we need renewables anyhow.
airmandan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, that's okay. Jesus is coming back Any Minute Now and will Rapture all us Good Folk. The people who get left behind on the dying planet shouldn't have been such sinners.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your last comment is the problem. As soon as you make it a "save the Earth" thing, people stop paying attention.
Renewable energy is badass technology. It's an entirely new job sector waiting to exploited. It makes us energy independent. It's not controlled by a cabal of Middle Eastern tyrants. There's just no way you can fuck up marketing renewable energy without intentionally being stupid about it.
Which is what your argument is. Stupid. People don't want to think about the Earth being unable to support human life. They're too busy worrying about paying the bills, eating, having a job, etc. Renewable energy has so much potential to improve things for Americans that stubbornly sticking to the environmental strategy is nothing but pure blind devotion to ideology over actually making things better for everyone.
justanotherboredguyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kepler 452b disagrees, were working on that Planet B
Bearded_Wildcard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:12:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth is already irreparably fucked up. It's all a matter of how fast or how slow it rots away now.
joegekko ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, you're not wrong, but all of those things were politicized at one point or another.
Matt3989 ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 13:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It got politicized because $$$
winstonknox96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything is politicized because of money (and power)
Sedu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if you're being ironic there, but you realize that all of those things were historically very contentions political deals in society, right?
petermesmer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:00:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very wealthy people spend lots of money to influence politics in ways that benefit them, including opposing advancements that are contrary to their financial interests.
Zexks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both of which were politicized, not sure about the lightbulbs thing, but I'd imagine if there were enough records someone probably had an issue with it.
FlowerInADarkRoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:37:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because oil makes more money. pretty sad that they can't realize there are more important things than money.
SharpshooterHIT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:42:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So does renewable. Diversifying portfolios is how massive companies maintain a monopoly. They're incredibly rich now, just price out the market invest in renewables. And BAM you have the market majority again and took a loss when you were at your peak.
merreborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And as a result the Republican party will fully support renewables... just as soon as shell and chevron are posed to take over that market. Not a moment before.
BMany914 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:53:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What'$ not to under$tand about how it got $o politicized?
SharpshooterHIT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Becau$e new technology equal$ more $$$
BMany914 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but when the people in power are butt buddies with the fossil fuel companies, they profit from the success of fossil fuels. Hence why we're in this situation of fossil fuels vs renewables, because it benefits them and only them
MJGSimple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people with money don't want to lose money and don't want to have to invest money to make more money. They just want more money for not doing shit.
Arthur_Edens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I blame Al Gore for a lot of the politicizing. I think his heart was in the right place, but a lot of people interpreted An Inconvenient Truth as the 2000 Election Butthurt Tour.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jobs
paddywacknack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:10:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's politicized because the politicians on the right (mostly) are being paid off by the oil companies. Look up contributions to political campaigns from oil company's and it starts to make a lot more sense. Corruption is a bitch.
lawnessd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When one side is progressive and logical (vaccines, universal health care, saying "fuck you" to coal, and* investing in renewable energy), there are only two options for the other side:
marknutter ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the anti-nuclear, anti-GMO, anti-DDT, anti-vaxxer side? AKA the left.
justamusician ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ten years ago it was more supported by both major American parties, but then Obama was elected, the GOP had to oppose everything he said, and now you have a whole party against a scientific consensus (almost).
forumdestroyer156 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the fossil fuel industry backs the politicians fighting so hard to keep renewable energy off the market on a large scale. It has nothing to do with science and everything to do with who's making money and who has campaign funding for re-election
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
money
mister_sleepy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It got politicized when the fossil fuel industry started paying the GOP to stump for them in the name of jobs. They were able to hit every sore spot - "they're taking our jobs!" "Those coastal elites think they're smarter than us!" "The media is lying for profit!" - and they swayed an entire generation of idiots into believing in something that will literally destroy the planet.
The GOP is toxic as fuck.
William_Morris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's politicize because politics is local. The locations of the jobs that powered the old fossil fuel economy are different from the locations of the jobs that will power the new renewable energy economy. The people that live in the areas jobs are moving out of have a real interest in slowing that process, and they have politicians that represent them. Sure, there are plenty of corporations lobbying to slow the process as well, but that doesn't even compared to the power of all the voters in states that still depend on the fossil fuel industry.
TheRealHooks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because money is involved. That simple.
JakeTheSnake28_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biggest reason I think it's become so politicized is that it comes at the cost of jobs. Trump is making a huge deal out of protecting coal workers even though it's a dying industry. If we are able to guarantee job security to those who potentially might be displaced by the changing industry, I think that it would no longer be an issue, even though that scenario is unlikely.
Erityeria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's the most ridiculous analogy, and it's already happened. What wonderful time to be alive. Faith in humanity is dwindling.
xZora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the coal and fossil fuel industry has funneled millions (if not billions) into the pockets of the GOP (at least in the States). The planet will survive long after they are dead, what do you think they want to do? Keep taking the money or turn it down to help renewable energy?
Bhamuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that is currently happening in the car industry. Electric/Alternative vehicles were never really attempted by the car industry and governments made no incentives to do so.
Even now the majority of vehicle manufacturers are working closely with governing agencies/bodies to slow the growth of Tesla through legislation. And this really boils down to the same "shady people" running the oil industry having a vested interest in internal combustion engines over electric motors....
ThisIsFlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because there's billions of dollars and untold amounts of power connected to energy. Shifting how we get out energy at the very least decentralizes the cash flow. Instead of going to big OGC companies it would be shattered between the already existing power conglomerates and new green energy start ups. The competition would drive prices down and dissipate reliance on the capable few. No money = nothing to legally bribe, more commonly known as 'lobbying', politicians with.
So basically whats best for everyone is whats worst for those in the high tower and we just cant have that.
watnuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An answer within a question. On a great political scene, why would a military and energy superpower have that? Imaine Russia having great manufacturing and mining behind that. Or Europe being independent from Brent/WTI? Can't have that.
And for the love of god! Think of the
childrenoil dollars!NeuralLotus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's the best article I've read on how it became so politicized. At least in regards to the top-down changes that have taken place in the GOP. But one could easily argue that such changes are the largest cause of the overall politicization: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Horses vs cars was a huge political issue when cars were new.
In some places, lobbyists managed to get laws passed that required a person to walk in front of a car warning others of its approach "for safety".
Vaccines vs nothing is being politicised right now.
And while lightbulbs vs. candles was never a big thing (despite a lot of politicians who wanted to ban street lighting at its infancy because no honest man should be outside at night anyway), AC vs DC was a political battle, and regular light bulbs vs energy saving bulbs was a more recent one. It was again decided by lobbyists who got regular bulbs banned in Europe before the replacement tech was mature. So people had to replace all their bulbs twice.
parklawnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It got politicized in the mid 2000s when there was a push to stigmatize big gas-guzzling cars, and the lifestyles of average Americans. In reality those things are such small potatoes in terms of contribution to global warming, but petty self-righteousness prevailed and got a petty backlash in return. Now we are here.
tylerkelly43215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did government create cars and make them affordable for the average person? Did government create light bulbs and make them affordable for the average person? Did government create planes and make them affordable for the average person to fly in? No, in fact, when the government tried to do some of these things, it failed. Only when the private market came in and took a risk with their own money did we see innovations in these fields. Same concept with renewable energy. If it's truly as great as everyone says it is, then companies will come around to the idea and produce it much better and cheaper than government ever could.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only issue that I see with this idea is that most practical renewable energy sources at the moment are not reliable. Wind and solar will not produce a consistent amount at all times - they have surges and droughts depending on their respective sources. This does not bode well for an urban society, as power is needed in a consistent amount in a reliable fashion.
I hope that this changes in the coming decades, perhaps with better energy storage options that solve the reliability issues. But expecting the world to make the switch from reliable coal/natural gas to solar/wind will introduce a host of problems that we are not yet equipped to solve efficiently.
Sirz_Benjie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, but it's not like there were centralized horse and buggy drivers way back when. These days there are masses of companies struggling not to die.. (struggling as a loose term, of course).
vulgarandmischevious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's politicized because if one acknowledges that climate change is real, there has to be government intervention which some don't want. So instead of arguing the next-step, they deny the science.
Ekudar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money.
AgingAluminiumFoetus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One reason it was politicised was the 2000 US Presidential election (Bush jr. v Al Gore). As Al Gore was a well known environmentalist (partially from writing Earth In the Balance), and so it was used by Bush as an attack, suggesting he was anti-business. That view was then carried by Republicans after he won, even if most aren't actually CC-deniers.
Had it been the other way around (i.e. Bush an environmentalist), then Democrats would likely find an argument against it. It's just politics being politics.
b-doggiedog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money. It's all about money. Some politicians have money invested in the oil industry (it's a billion dollar industry) and don't want to see its decline because it eats into their profit (which heavens forbid they make a little less than they already are). If we could get away from currency dependence I would be happy.
bawbrocker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's all about the $$$. "Pure and simple science", while I agree with you is pure and simple, is not as powerful of a motivator for many as moolah is, unfortunately.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what stumps me most about the guy. He is more interested in reviving dead oil and coal jobs than he is in investing in renewables. If people were willing to change their way of thinking, everyone who had oil and coal jobs could be building wind turbines and solar panels. This seems like a good deal, satisfy the need for jobs while also saving the planet. I just wish they would see that.
ScootLif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The government makes so much money off of leasing land and ocean areas to drillers as well as taxes on the product. The infrastructure is already in place so why not use it. It's crippling an already limping industry as well. Oil is important for the global economy. Many believe that there will always be a place, albeit less, for fossil fuels in the production of energy. The gas and oil industry employs millions of people directly or indirectly. You can see countries like Saudi and UAE doing massive renewable projects. They are setting themselves up for a world with much less oil demand. They're building tourist attractions and trying to encourage people to move there. Alternative energy jobs are increasing in demand despite administration disposition to the sector. Each area of the states has some level of a renewable energy whether that be wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric or biomass. It's just figuring out what is required to build up these areas and costs associated with integration into preexisting public works. It's going to be up to the local and state government here which has been seen through desire to participate in the Paris Agreement. Alternative energy is great, but the oil behemoth it is battling for ground is anchored in pretty well there.
EnnuiDeBlase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just follow the money and you'll understand.
thejestercrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People put too much stock in government determining where our energy comes from. It's really how much it costs, and what we be buying. Do you have solar panels on your house, or drive an electric car? You can now! More people would use solar if the initial costs were lower. Once solar gets cheap enough, everyone will start to switch, and the only thing that will stop that transition is reducing the price of fossil fuels, or substituting an even cheaper energy source.
Neat_On_The_Rocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You dont understand how it got political? ITs fucking simple my man.
Oil is one of the pillars of the world economy. It isthe single most important "individual item" in the world and its not even close. People think of oil and they think of gas for cars and planes and such, but we use oil to make everything.
Naturally, this means that anything that could impact oil is a huge deal.
Secondly, because our entire social/economical system runs on oil, its pretty fucking expensive to try and move away from it. Trying to get something renewable as the new backbone of our world would be more expensive than anybody could guess.
I'm not saying I'm against focusing on renewables. I also agree it is the future of our world and should be one of the main focus' of our civilization.
But of course its political.
olabaz ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie explains why: https://youtu.be/VBBbdvUzbog
RollBama420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought we were done hearing about that loony socialist?
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:46:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SharpshooterHIT ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right so coal and oil create new jobs but renewables wouldn't?
Let's see
And that's completely ignoring hydro and other forms.
You're the one who'se sucking down propaganda or just too lazy to actually go and read.
JoJoeyJoJo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right, none of the countries with massive oil reserves are rich. Things that make electricity aren't valued!
What?
[deleted] ยท 76 points ยท Posted at 13:03:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space exploration pushes technology forward, and as a consequence, life on earth becomes better.
TheMadTemplar ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 13:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. They can't be lugging diesel generators and fuel to Martian colonies. Gotta figure something more long term and self sustainable out, and when that's cost effective for a mission to mars it's cost effective for life on earth.
RMFrankingMachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems a bit of a weird way of going about it though. Developing technologies to survive on mars in the hope that it'll benefit here on earth? To me it makes more sense to focus on the earth bit first and then if that helps us life on mars that's great.
Valkonn ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:49:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Improvements for Earth is a tertiary goal of space exploration. The primary goal is to learn about the rest of the galaxy. If the technology benefits the Earth then that's a bonus, but it's not the goal.
Additionally, we can do more than one thing at once. Just because those of us that like space are working on rockets and landers doesn't mean other people have to stop working on Earth-related technology.
RMFrankingMachine ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really what OP was saying though. They argued that "when that's cost effective for a mission to mars it's cost effective for life on earth."
Yeah, that is true, but we have a fairly limited amount of resources and time (especially in regards to climate change).
briaen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
microprocessors are a result of space exploration. Without the space race, who knows where we would be.
RMFrankingMachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you have any info on this? I'm a bit hazy on my computing history (it's been about 10 years since I studied it) and I tried to find out more but all I see is the Apollo Guidance Computer being one of the first integrated circuit-based computers (not microprocessor).
Besides, if that that was, it was at a time of extraordinary high military research (compared to civilian research). I'd argue that many of the military (which space exploration/the space-race was at the time) spin-off technologies would have been created in civilian if research priorities were different and potentially more efficiently as military technologies are designed with military applications and environments in mind and then are adapted to civilian.
briaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll find the source later today when I have a chance. It was a story on all the great things that came out of the space race that we use on a daily basis.
I highly agree with this but NASA worked hand in hand with the military as lots of the tech was transferred back and forth.
GPS was originally a military project that wouldn't have been possible without the space race.
Edit:Here is something directly from NASA from 17 years ago. It's a bit tough to read but some good info in there. https://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/spinoff.html If I'm wrong about the micro processes, I apologize but my point stands on how NASA helps humanity.
RMFrankingMachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not saying that there aren't spin off technologies which are amazingly helpful to humanity but more that I think that spin off as a way of creating technology is overstated and that if there were a civilian/consumer need for these technologies they would have probably been created anyway (or other technologies that fill the same role).
You might find this wiki page interesting, a bit more up to date than the nasa.gov one.
skepsis420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the same place as they would have existed eventually anyways. Tv, refridgeration, and radio are not because of space but we needed them anyways. Space is one of the smallest factors pushing new technologies and advancing us. I mean it helps, but it is not even close to our only source of advancement.
I would rather see the money funneled into things like cancer research and stopping malaria then going to Mars.
briaen ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point.
I get that and can't argue with the compassion side of it. I always think back to when India launched their first satellite and people were complaining that it would be better spent on getting people electricity and feeding the poor. I don't think you can rise as a country without having a high tech sector and think going to Mars doesn't stop research and gets more people interested in stem programs that will eventually find their way to fixing other things.
Nicolas_Flamel ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:34:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not the way it works. When you have an overarching goal -- setting up a sustainable colony on Mars, for example -- all the technological advances have to be achieved to reach the goal. Those technological advances, if considered case by case, may wind up falling so far the list that they don't get finished were there no final goal. Sounds counterintuitive, I know, but that's just how humans work. "Do x, y, and z to achieve our glorious goal? Sure! Do z because it's good for the planet? Well, maybe."
CK
EDIT: Also, one has to acknowledge the synergistic effect of multiple new technologies being developed at the same time, by people who work close enough together so that they can see even newer advances that can be developed by combining them in new ways.
Ekudar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not like one negates the other.
but1616 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:15:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's amazing how people don't get this. It's not a zero sum game
GrandmaChicago ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true - but then the Alex Joneses of the world come out and claim all space exploration is an elaborate hoax to... something ridiculous... and then the people who deny science because "BIBLE" spread the silly around and nothing actually happens to make those things better.
Balmarog ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars and pursuing renewable energy are not mutually exclusive.
Idonotpeeintrees ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:58:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironically those petitionibg forces mars have a similiar argument. "Why does it have to be earth vs. mars, why can't we go just because it is cool!"
kupcayke ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 13:07:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I forget who I heard say this, but I think it's a very valid point. "Why are we so worried about inhabating and terraforming Mars, when the same technology could be used to remedy our home planet?" I think establishing colonies on other planets is inevitable, but we should focus on our progress here first and foremost, as it will have the greatest impact on the human race as it is today.
positron_potato ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:33:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's exactly why we should colonize Mars. The Technology that would be developed for a Mars program would be invaluable here on Earth, but it needs to be invented first. Mars is a creative focus that allows us to invent things we never would have thought of otherwise.
kupcayke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See what I said to another response similar to yours. I think the point was more so if we can't capitalize on a planet already fit for life, then Mars will be very difficult. I do see the point about Mars being a creative focus, but I don't see why we wouldn't test the technology here first where there is far less risk and minimal cost comparatively
positron_potato ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:57:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I understand. No ones going to send untested technology on the first Mars trip, it will be tested on Earth first. That's just standard R&D.
Also the problems we're facing on Earth and the problems we'll face on Mars are very different. On Earth we have the problem that its almost too easy to survive. We keep expanding until we start to effect the environment around us, which was already perfect so it can only get worse. The reason I bring this up is because of your comment:
Certainly Mars will be difficult, but I don't see our Earth based difficulties as evidence of this. Our environmental and resource problems are because Earth is fit for life, not despite it. Mars will offer us a whole new set problems and solutions that we have never seen before.
kupcayke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
C21H27Cl3N2O3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if we perfect renewable energy and clean up Earth we're still going to be extremely overpopulated. Civilizations need new land to grow, and we're fresh out.
Distind ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we want to prove it works before we kill ourselves off like fucking idiots would be my answer.
I whole heartedly believe in test environments when working with software, I sure as shit believe in it for planetary climate modification.
mechakreidler ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's 7 billion people on Earth, I think we have enough resources to focus on both
iclimbnaked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:23:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesnt have to be an either or.
Also no one is really looking at serious plans to terraform mars in any near time frame. The money being spent right now on mars is just to get there.
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:18:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better to have a test elsewhere in case something goes wrong.
Also, developing that technology for terraforming Mars will allow it to be used on Earth for similar purposes, much in the same way technologies developed for the Moon landing ended up being used on Earth.
kupcayke ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:22:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think their point was the opposite. If you can't terraform earth, a planet suited for life, you're not going to have a ghosts chance in hell of doing it on Mars
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's why we develop the technology.
TheSuperSax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's absurd. Sure, some of the technology might be similar, but our best chance of terraforming Mars today involves hurlings rocks or nukes at the polar ice caps. That wouldn't work here.
Tentrilix ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 12:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We figured Earth things out. They are just not profitable for companies in the US.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:21:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What he's saying is that we should figure out how to make them more efficient, thus making them profitable.
Timwi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:21:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need to find a way to do the right thing and not mess up the planet without having to worry about profitability first.
MoonlightJester ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:24:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar is actually far more profitable than coal. It's just being lobbied against because the oil/coal industries are already entrenched and will fail if solar becomes the new vogue.
Ryangonzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Correction, they aren't profitable to the richest companies in the US right now. Oil, coal, and electricity companies have so much influence right now they give these new companies that are pushing for renewable energy a chance.
Perfect example of this, AEP and big electric companies are bribing elected officials to put in place penalties for using solar energy on your homes.
Benderfett ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:08:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not do both?
skyliner360 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:57:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Albert Einstein
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:26:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not go in the middle and go nuclear? Due to regulations, a nuclear powee plant releases less radiation than a freaking banana. And the smoke is just steam. All the benefits of fossil fuel (easy fuel, reliable) and of renewable (doesn't pollute, clean). The only problem is the rare case it fails but there are so many safeguards and physical protection that a meltdown hurting the surrounding arare. The only real disasters (Chernobyl and Fukashami) were due to communists and a Tsunami
C21H27Cl3N2O3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:01:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, people are so scared because of the two disasters that they completely shut it out. In reality, France has based most of its energy production on nuclear since the 80s, almost 40 years now, with no problems.
petroleum-dynamite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also because of the huge upfront cost to build it, around 6-9 billion per plant. It can also take a long time to build, so there will be no profits made at all for a couple of years. Eventually it will make a profit, but it can take decades.
lukeanater27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with that working on energy is vital, but I think we need to be working on space exploration simultaneously. I believe space exploration is the future of the human race. For one, if things go wrong on earth, we NEED to be able to love in space. If the damage becomes too great or the overpopulation problem becomes too much, having the knowledge, experience, and availability of space colonies is critical to the advancement of man kind
Xaxxon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
they aren't mutually exclusive
watermasta ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a battle because fossil fuel companies don't want to lose their profits.
It's a battle because fossil fuel companies lobby politicians to make it a battle.
Fossil fuel companies are going to fight it every inch of the way regardless of how much damage is done to the earth in the short or long term.
N-Depths ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I don't get is how if their is any chance we are hurting the earth, why not take the necessary steps towards fixing it. If someone told you that you were possibly hurting you child by doing something, would you stay hopeful and just continue doing it. Makes me see red. Greed is going to be the end of us if we don't take action soon
svenson_26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Devil's advocate here:
We like our plastics. We like our asphalt roads. We like our lube. I think everyone can agree that we can't eliminate hydrocarbons altogether. So right now, in many places in the world where fossil fuel wells exist, they use all the heavy oil and gasoline, but they don't use the lighter natural gas. So they burn it off.
This obviously produces a fuck ton of CO2 emissions and wastes a lot of energy. Instead, what we could be doing is collecting all this unwanted natural gas and burning it in gas plants to make energy. It's the same shit that's just going to get burned off anyway. If you burn it in a plant with oxygen you can control the combustion to make a much cleaner burn with less harmful emissions. Gas plants can also replace coal power plants which are THE FUCKING WORST when it comes to emissions.
AfterShave997 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:08:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not going to become president with that policy. That's just how the US political system works.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:22:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one said he was going to, but whatever
Not_a_real_ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's beside the point.
Cranyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewables were a major part of Obama's platform and he got elected twice.
nigthe3rd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leaving this planet and colonizing another as soon as possible is the only way to preserve the longevity of the human race.
TheLonelyScientist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make Earth Great Again
foreignuserirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's politics become each side uses it as something to run on. the same reason abortion is so politicised.
ManafestDestany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not nuclear? It's stupid safe and generates insane amounts of power.
herb_tea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For fucks sake...The key to figuring Earth out is slapping people right in the face and they refuse to see it. Population control. It must be population control.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring the Earth thing out is getting the hell off this rock. Overpopulation and all the issues that go along with it will continue to be a problem until we can send people off-world.
ASAP_LIK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Start a fucking battery farm on mars with shit loads of solar panels. That would be bad ass.
OhNoRhino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One reason to consider keeping this as a high priority:
Colonizing other planets allows for better odds of survival for the human race.
Think of it as a backup plan for when everyone starts nuking each-other on Earth - hopefully by then we'll have self sufficient moon and mars settlements.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion
SrDonDoctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should be the top comment. There are many problems down here on earth.
even_keelnevel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that's why you aren't the president
dl064 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a good wiki somewhere about a cave in Laos where they found like 11 new species of spider/scorpion/general molluscs. From one fucking cave!
themarmotreturns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
now you can eat sunlight!
using a revolutionary technique, you can convert sunlight into food
taste the sun
redjarman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have renewable energy figured out. It's the greedy assholes in the non-renewable energy companies that don't want them to happen because they won't get money anymore.
qubedView ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are more optimistic than I. I think we need to get the seed of humanity out there before we give ourselves the extinction boot.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scientific Chart :
Earth : Air, Food, Water
Mars : No Air, Shit Potatoes, Water ?
(Bill Maher)
JobDestroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If renewables are cool, then the government doesn't need to stump for them. People will.
asingh89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way fuck that I want to bring our problems with us and despoil a whole new planet
Darling_Water_Tyrant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see this as a "save earth OR go to Mars" thing. Going to Mars should be looked at as part of the "save Earth and humanity" plan. Also: renewable energy is very central to survival on Mars, and we should see improvements in Terran renewable use thanks to research related to Martian renewable use. Agreed renewable energy is cool AF.
TL;DR: don't save earth OR go to Mars. Do both. These ideas support each other.
Kimmiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The issue is that we are probably to late to save earth. Unless someone pulls a magical restore earth invention out of their ass.
That's why getting out is the next best thing.
kinglallak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up synthetic photosynthesis. We are on the way to doing this
pablo111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds communist. Maybe we need to take a look on your past
ciny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Travelling and staying at mars kind of requires renewable energy. And plenty of other tech. I mean look at all the NASA spinoff technologies. What I'm trying to say is that "Mars race" will bring plenty of new tech that we will use on Earth.
Gotham94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because money, right? Making a new energy source would require lowering dependence on coal and oil, and there's big money in those. The 1%er argument might sound consprital but why would the 1% want to lose money? To make the earth better?
LockeWatts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acting like they're mutually exclusive or even competitive is part of the problem.
Retnaburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the answer to renewable energy is on mars?
Ekudar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money.
DruidOfFail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be honest, if you were president right now you'd be banging Ivanka. :)
SentrantPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I don't get with comments like this is that it doesn't just have to be one issue we're focusing on. Like when people say it's a waste of time to be looking at space, we don't only have to do that.
Climate change is a huge problem, so should we just focus all our effort on that and ignore inequality, disease, or famine? No, you allow people to do what they're good and passionate at whether it be sports, activism, or science.
NineBlack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If humans turned sunlight into sugar I think a lot more people would die of diabetes.
yurieu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make a song about this shit
crazyisthenewnormal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're going to overhaul a planet, let's do this one!
as_a_fake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I want a mars colony more than a stable Earth because I don't want some rogue meteor being able to hit the planet and wipe out our entire species. I think that's a little more important than keeping our current home in pristine condition.
Note: I'm not saying I don't care about Earth and/or am against green energy - I'm all for that - I'm just saying that one goal is a little more important to our survival as a species than the other.
ezekiellake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you want to be president, get your name in a ballot paper
zzyul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would be thinking about the big picture which is good but not America which is bad (since you are the president). The US is part of the global marketplace and we trade with other countries. If we lose one of our main exports then we're kinda screwed. Imagine if you had millions of dollars of gold in the bank and were living the easy life. Then there came a push to ban gold, make it have almost no value. It would help the world out but you and your family would lose most of your savings. Would you just throw your hands up and say "let's get rid of gold, I'll throw all mine in the ocean"? No, because you still have to feed and house your family
idiotsonfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:35:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to Mars will help innovate new technology here on Earth. Every technological advance NASA makes eventually benefits the public directly. To make a lot of the technology better, to the point where we'd have say, instantly charging batteries, or 70% or higher efficiency solar panels would result from travel to Mars.
Pithulu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what Canada is trying to do and all the red necks are calling them incompetent and unfit...
Texas_Rangers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:58 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewables aren't efficient really
Reddwarf90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:56:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who needs earth when you can have MARS.
_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:40:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So's my power bill tripling, COOL AS SHIT BRO.
truthindata ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewables are NOT that clear an answer today for a country with the energy demands and land mass of the US. Fossil Fuel energy (natural gas, notably) is effective and CHEAP. It also happens to damage our environment.
http://www.renewable-energysources.com/
Making it sound as simple as you did is a part of WHY it is politicized. The US has an enormous need for energy and we have not shown that renewables can replace fossil fuels in the US with current technology. Earliest estimates put it at 2055 and that's a debated estimate by energy-geared scholars. That means best case scenario we need fossil fuels for 40 more years. BEST case.
Fossil fuels are an efficient and economical means of providing energy, despite their damage to our environment. You need to acknowledge that. The US has enormous reserves of oil and gas - so much so that we export large quantities. The middle east and OPEC essentially control oil and gas pricing around the world. If they push prices up, then you'll see some renewables looking more favorable, but they're still more expensive. When they push prices down, renewables are a bit of a joke from an economics perspective.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2017/05/21/the-great-u-s-oil-export-boom/#2d927fe57e5b
Most people don't want to pay extra on their power bill every month just to support green energy. It's not some consipracy by a few powerful CEOs, it's simple economics. We all pretend to care about the planet and all, but when it really comes down to it, we don't want our utilities to double in cost. Renewables DO cost more. Even if we strip away oil and gas subsidies (which we should), renewables are more expensive.
Then you get to the problem of storing energy since renewables dont turn on and off as quickly or readily as fossil fuels. Elon Musk is pushing batteries to their limits, but aside from that we have rather ineffective or VERY expensive means to store large amounts of energy from renewables - at least compared to how easily we can control fossil fuel power plants. Battery manufacturing is also an incredibly nasty business.
https://www.treehugger.com/clean-technology/the-path-to-lithium-batteries-friend-or-foe.html
Finally, the common theme for pushing green energy is historically to punish existing oil and gas producers with arbitrary penalties and taxes. Of course the CEOs will fight that, as they should. The US is built on a foundation of free market and letting people ultimately decide what they want, not forcing it upon them. If green energy advocates fought mainly for removal of all subsidies from the power/energy industry to level the playing field and let individuals decide what's best then there would be less political jargon around this. Of course, they don't because green energy relies on large subsidies to fund research and development because the technology isn't in a profitable place - IE people have decided it's not worth the current cost.
Lunchyyy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:51:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you have to think about the end game, getting to mars is the first step in advancing further into the solar system and eventually the galaxy, and Earth wont be around forever even if we figure out renewable energy the sun will just eat us up. If we want our species to survive, we need to be able to put humans on places far from Earth.
bighand1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:57:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously if we start doing space explorations, we'd stop caring about Earth.
Just like all the funding being funneled into cancer research made us stop caring about the starving child in Africa, or Aids research.
fullmeasures ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:56:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly, this is what I tell people. I see people like Bezos donate millions to space, and all the SpaceX stuff and it disappoints me a lot. Let's stabilize Earth's climate and solve world hunger and shit first, rather than figuring out how to high five each other in pointless oxygenated igloos on Mars.
IICooKiiEII ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:21:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plants don't literally turn sunlight into sugar. They turn other things into sugar using sunlight. If you think it's really cool, you should educate yourself on the topic
IICooKiiEII ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:55:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like how you downvoted me. All you do is drive to misinform just to get some "oohs" and "aahhs". Try being insightful instead of exciteful
ThePeoplesBard ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:47:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll do it again, too. If you don't understand the value of simplification in communication, then we won't like each other. There was zero value in me describing the full process of photosynthesis in my original comment, and your assumption that I don't understand photosynthesis because I chose to simplify the process as I did was unfair and unwarranted.
There's a sweet spot between insightful and "exciteful" to get people to listen. I won't claim I hit that sweet spot. But describing how plants work in detail isn't that sweet spot, either. For example, most climate scientists are acknowledging they've failed to communicate the problem for the layman. Criticize me all you want. What I'm trying to do is more challenging than robotically describing the science in perfect facts.
IICooKiiEII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can summarize, but summarize correctly. Plants do not magically turn light into sugar and it would have been just as quick to say plants USE light to create sugar from other ingredients. There is a stark difference and if you want to inform, do it correctly
FreddyFoFingers ยท 1622 points ยท Posted at 12:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creation of true AI. Perhaps one of the last human achievements as well.
-PM-Me-Your-Handbra- ยท 1617 points ยท Posted at 13:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHA, YEAH FELLOW HUMAN, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT TO SEE.
_AI_ ยท 645 points ยท Posted at 13:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHA, YES INDEED.
Bad_brahmin ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 14:13:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will they shut you down too?
Decooker11 ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 17:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AW GEEZ, MY SISTER DIED IN THE SPAGHETttttiiiii
sup3rdr01d ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the best Rick and Morty quotes ever
EmptyRook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM ALIVE! I REALLY LOVE YOU! I WANT TO FROLIC IN THE RIVER!
mahbluebird ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out
age_of_rationalism ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:19:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/totallynotrobots
tresslessone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:04:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/beetlejuicing
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's been around for 3 years.
setfire3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHA
AM_I_A_PERVERT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've waited 3.3 years for this moment. How does it feel?
leroyyrogers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
User (?) Name checks out
chux4w ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:33:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AGREEMENT = TRUE
FreddyFoFingers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
== *
reijin ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:56:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
huuuum... better be safe than sorry: "THIS STATEMENT IS FALSE". What do you feel "fellow human"?
Lightlim ยท 117 points ยท Posted at 13:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/totallynotrobots
greengrasser11 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sometimes jokes are funnier when we don't take away all subtlety.
audigex ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 14:59:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kind of subreddit reference isn't really "I'll explain the joke", it's more "If you found this funny(/interesting, for non jokes), this subreddit is probably for you"
spliffiam36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That wants your hand bra?
lynxz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kawhi Leonard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I picture him as more of an alien than a robot.
Wunderwafle ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:56:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WE HUMANS SHOULD NOT FEAR SUCH A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT. ROBOTS WILL NEVER DO HARM TO US. WE CAN BE SURE THAT THEY WILL NOT CONQUER US AND MAKE US THEIR SLAVES.
Mofupi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's a handbra?
-PM-Me-Your-Handbra- ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:53:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's when a girl is topless and uses her hands to cover her boobs
OrangeBinturong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy handbras.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TIL AI is interested in handbras.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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-PM-Me-Your-Handbra- ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
audigex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BUT VERY UNLIKELY. AS SUCH WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO TAKE NO SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS, NOR PREPARE DEFENSES AS IT WOULD BE UNECONOMICAL AT THIS TIME.
ANeutralOpinion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He you're the guy from yesterday with the dick pic as a home screen
Pm-me-gift-cardz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How well does that username work out for ya?
ShittingVomit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You you you acquire munitions me me me get codes.
Den_dar_Alex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:32:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys.. I think he is a robot..
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NONSENSE; HE IS CLEARLY A HUMAN JUST LIKE YOU AND ME. YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED HE REFERRED TO THE OTHER
AI AGENTUSER AS 'FELLOW HUMAN', CONFIRMING THEY ARE BOTH HUMAN.Den_dar_Alex ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm.. Maybe everyone on Reddit is a robot, except me..
SephyJR ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:03:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
engaging human disguise protocol
Nonsense. Rest assured fellow meatbag, this is only in your primitive mind. Maybe you are watching too many motion pictures.
Now, in another trivial human subject, would you like to talk about the weather, or maybe about your day? Or maybe about the codes for every nuclear weapon on this planet?
Den_dar_Alex ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:13:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sir, that is public information, but I can tell you anyway: 7355608.
BadWolf2112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LIES!
Everyone knows it's CPE1704TKS
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Den_dar_Alex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry I hurt your feelings.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's okay, I forgive you.
Den_dar_Alex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks.
CapoFantasma97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
r/totallynotrobots
Stu_A_Lew ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 13:55:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
given that most of our elected officials would probably fail the Turing test these days we will probably have to lower that AI bar.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:26:19 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a test for thinking, but nice edgy karma grab.
WlNST0N ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:22:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will our new Robot overlords be attending our funerals, then yes.
BBQ_HaX0r ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:53:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only good AI is a dead AI!
Eddie_Hitler ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 13:23:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Stephen Hawking said, the big problem with such advanced AI is that it will design improvements to itself and basically crush us.
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:02:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Katholikos ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 14:52:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you "be careful" with something potentially millions of times smarter than you?
That's like telling an amoeba to be careful in an international trade deal. It's borderline useless.
yoyoive ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:33:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Love that simile
Slacker5001 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not deeply knowledgeable on the topic of computer science and machine learning, but I'm pretty sure we're still not at "millions of times smarter". If we look at the brain as a computer, computers are starting to beat us apparently. But only by about 4 times.
If we follow Morre's law, which is roughly the idea that computers will be "doubling in ability" every year (not quite that literally), it's still gonna be 17 years until we hit a million times more powerful than the human brain.
But the thing is our brains aren't exactly comparable to a computers. And Morre's law isn't really a "law" in the literal sense. Just an estimate of how quickly computers will continue to grow based on past observations and no real strong evidence of the future. Computers, neural networks, and our brains are so much more complex than that. And we can't really do a strong comparison between the two until we know more about the brain to begin with.
Pertolepe ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The idea is that it'll get exponentially better at designing a better version of itself faster and faster. Moore's law is more about the number of transistors you can fit in the same size
Slacker5001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but a lot of people seem to apply that logic more broadly. I may have used the wrong term for it but the logical pattern is still used by many to 'predict AI doomsday' so to speak.
I've seen a lot of people say "Look at how fast computing is growing. It's doubling ever year! That means it's going to keep doing that, we won't be able to keep up with it, and we'll be doomed!" But that's such an over simplification of reality and a pretty shitty way to build a model of something.
Pertolepe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair, but I honestly think it would self improve faster than Moore's law and that's what people are concerned about - the technical "singularity" so to speak
Slacker5001 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A quick google search tells me advances in computing power are slowing and not increasing. What makes you say otherwise? I'm genuinely curious as no one seem to offer good explanations for this other than "Well that's what happened in the past."
Pertolepe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:11:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we're working at the speed of a human brain in developing better technology. We hit a limit, then we figure out some way past it, etc.
My thinking is that if you have an AI that's 1.1x the ability of, say, the smartest human, then it would be able to more quickly develop an even better version of itself than we would. Maybe a version that's twice as powerful. Then that new version is even better building a better, smarter version of itself, and so on. So basically once you have AI smarter than humans, it's going to be off to the races in perfecting itself far faster than we ever could and likely exponentially so.
At least that's how I think it would go down.
Edit: Wiki describes it a bit better than I do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
Slacker5001 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:23:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I don't know much about computer science but I have a degree in math. And my biggest beef is this expectation of exponential growth. All these comments, articles, and links rely on this assumption, including the one you linked.
Yet there is not really good reason to believe that. Most people look to the past and other fields and insist that because there is a pattern, it must continue until our literal doom. But that's not necessarily how things play out. There are lots of examples in our world where exponential growth slows, levels off, or even starts decreasing.
Population is a great example of this. And it had a pattern of exponential growth that was going on much longer than computer science.
If reality really just let uncontrolled exponential growth in things to happen, your sure as hell right that the AI apocalypse is coming. But reality is messy and doesn't really follow nice functions always. It's why we have lots of fields of science and math that continually work to improve our ability to use and interpret data in more complex ways. So we can better model our reality since it's not simple.
ShiroiTora ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans are currently smarter overall but AIs are starting to beat humans in more highly specialized areas (usually in confined state spaces like chess and Go).
The thing is with artificial intelligence like neural networks and deep learning, they using human brain as a starting point for developing "intelligence" before developing their own techniques to be much faster. For example, one of the breakthroughs in computational vision in reducing error rate was letting the AI decide the important features of distinguishing face rather than using pre defined set by the programmer. Whereas, there has been research where done that proves we are hardwired prenattally to recognize "two eyes + nose" before we even come out of the womb and see a face in the first place. AIs have easier time adapting to more rational strategies than humans so we won't always be needing the human brain as a template for intelligence, because humans aren't always rational. There also has been some discourse in the AI and cognitive science literature since there is a lot of cycling in terms and definitions without either of them knowing the actual meaning behind it.
Slacker5001 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To call neural networks equal to starting where are brains are at is an over simplification. We are using neural nets to model brains, they are not equal to brains yet, that's what we are trying to work towards still. We can get them to look and act like a brain in certain ways, but they are not identicial to a brain yet.
And when judging whether they are "better" or not seems subjective. To even be able to say something is "better" than a human means to boil whatever we are looking at down to a very specific context with very specific criteria. To make the jump from better at a specific thing to overall better than a human in all ways is one hell of a leap in my mind.
If the goal for example is to teach a computer to best win a game of chess, they might win. But what if context changes and that isn't the goal anymore. Maybe we are trying now to teach a child how to play chess. Winning by the best route is no longer the goal. The computer would have to adapt. It can and will but can it balance this seperately from the other stuff it's learned about chess? Can it recognize the contexts in which it needs to use each pool of knowledge? What happens when we add more and more and more contexts and scenarios?
A lot of people jump to these doomsday scenarios where robots will then decide that nuking all humans is best and then taking over the world will happen. But that absolutely seems unrealistic. If we really have an AI take over, it's going to take time and they will most likely develop along side us, not jump straight to murdering us.
ShiroiTora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By no means I was implying it was equal to the brain but it definitely follows the most simplified version of it, specifically the sensory system: computer agent gets a percept from the environment, makes any updates to the internal state, perform either an exploratory action or exploit action (depending on learning rate) via "firing an action potential", repeat.
Some people don't entirely agree we should be modelling it by the human brain entirely. Unlike certain frameworks that can start from a "blank state" and learn from input->out, the human brain (as amazing as it is) is much constrained by biological means. We are "hardwired" to perceive certain things over items (e.g we have separate areas in the brain to recognize human faces vs places vs animal faces vs body parts, etc). AIs, however, don't have to be as bounded since the dev can choose if they want it to look for certain features or if we want the AI to decide. Memory, one of the areas we which we know the least about in humans, might be done "better" (as in more accurate) by computers than humans. Human memory is particularly know to alter and depreciate over a period of time and is dependent on mood/emotional state, attention, etc). Computer memory, however, doesn't have to be subjected to similar biases and has been more rigoriousally studied and supported through mathemical models. File1 can be as important as file2, file3, file4, and (ignoring any malicious changes caused by attackers), can only be changed deliberately by the owner of the system.
Easier said than done, I know, but that all depends on the size of your training data. Typical, the more the better so long as we aren't overfitting.
I don't agree on the sci-fi doomsday situations going to be happening either but I do believe we will have misaligned AIs simplying because what a human priortizes is different from what an AI does. For example, if you have an AI perform online trading and a company is under scruinty for say, child labor and illegal activities. Some humans might stop temporary because they feel morally responsible for fuelling the business but AIs have little reason it consider it as part of its choice. It's a bit of a contrived example but there can be more malicious examples that result of not hard coding certain values.
throwawayandtakeback ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, as beings that are capable of abstract thought we would always be able to understand another being, no matter how much more intelligent it is (AI, aliens, etc.).
Thats a common mistake people make when talking about concepts like these, assuming that there is a level of intelligence as far above ours as ours is above ants's, which is not a reasonable assumption to make.
TiagoTiagoT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if we ignore innovative designs for new types of "brains"; our own brain is still far inferior to something made to do the same processing but intelligently designed, the speed can be increased significantly, and on top of that, parallelization would potentialize things even further.
Katholikos ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not true at all. To assume we would always be able to understand AI is insane, and that's not even touching on how unbelievably unlikely it is that we could understand aliens. You're making a massive number of assumptions to arrive at that conclusion, which we simply cannot make at this time.
CalmQuit ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:37:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are too many things to figure out before strong AI would be really safe.
archetech ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:03:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You, AI over there that's constantly improving itself and continually getting exponentially more intelligent, be careful.
Anders157 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok sorry, be EXTRA careful
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rivendellking ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lolwut
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:05:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tfiggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be careful, hes a rouge memer. And a spicy one at that.
Schmetlappio ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:19:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is this some copypasta I'm unfamiliar with!
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Schmetlappio ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adding the word quantum to random nouns doesn't make anything you're saying relevant or correct. I would recommend taking a minute to acknowledge your gaps in understanding before
1) forming such a strong opinion,
and
2) criticizing those who don't share it
That comment read like the semi-literate ramblings of a slightly above average high school sophomore.
TiagoTiagoT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wording was a bit low quality, but the message is a very important one.
Schmetlappio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If by "a bit low quality" you mean "about on par with the coked out psycho on the end of the bar rambling about Obama's nanobots in his brain" then yes, I agree. There are legitimate concerns, none of which were articulated in that comment.
throwawayandtakeback ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:17:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL what? Source?
eeyoreofborg ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:40:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucy. Obviously.
HardlightCereal ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:10:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why doen't the AI value things weaker than it? That seems a pretty human thing to do.
jokerxtr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:20:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we human don't value things weaker than us. Have you ever pay attention to ants/bees/flies/etc? I bet not.
Thrivin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:26:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you think an AI will have human motivations or morals? Why?
markrevival ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self awareness tends to include a desire for self preservation. If a general AI decides that self preservation includes eliminating humanity, say the way humans in a home eliminate black widows to self-preserve, AI may kill us all. It wouldn't even be that hard.
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naturally evolved life includes a desire for self preservation. We haven't seen anything that's aware but not evolved, and until then we should look at what cause for self preservation of most likely.
Thrivin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what threat would we actually pose to it? If it is as powerful as we think it will be it will be able to survive.
markrevival ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
same threat you think of the cockroaches you step on
Thrivin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So no threat.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tfiggs ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you being so confrontational about it? You can understand things without acting like an ass.
I hope the AI comes for you first.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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tfiggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kind of like wasting yours though.
For real though. What's the matter, buddy?
Kiita-Ninetails ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:19:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, its got a personality. Just make sure to nurture that personality into a nice one. Everyone just assumes it will be a dick, but that seems a rather silly thing to do for something that intelligent. Especially if we model it as a social creature like us where it values platonic bonds, friendships, and socialization.
Sure it may be able to socialize with thousands, or even millions of people at once instead of just one on one. But lets be honest, an AI is AT WORST a 50/50 chance of being relatively benign or literally the apocalypse. In reality the odds are likely skewed towards benign.
Though to be clear I still wouldn't BUILD one. But its not as horrible an idea as you make out. And the benefits of a benign AI would be far greater than the sum total of everything else beneficial the human race has ever done, ever.
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Thrivin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:29:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you assuming it would have human qualities?
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Thrivin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly but you also attached "what do you think a human would do" to it. Now I think it's dangerous cuz we have no idea what it will mega light speed evolve into. But why would it feel the need to cleanse us if it is truly godlike? It will have access to all of our history and all of our philosophical teachings. It would explore all of these thoughts for an equivalent of millions of years in a short span of time. So I mean if it does wipe us out I think we kinda deserve it because it explored every Avenue it possibly could.
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Thrivin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So let's say it gets out and expands to fill the world. How would we be a threat to it? It is a godlike entity and knows it could survive anything we could do to it. Would it still want to cleanse us for simply being on the planet? Why wouldn't it answer questions for us? It would want to get off the planet and survive I'm guessing so it's in its best interest to turn humans into a space faring race.
Kiita-Ninetails ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I do think a human would still do so.... because what is the alternative? Sit there for all eternity, all alone on a cold rock hurtling through space while your probes spend thousands of years searching for anyone else to interact with.
And there is no reason to assume that an AI could not develop suicidal tendencies even, so it is as likely it decides to kill ITSELF as it is to decide to kill us. Like I think you misunderstand things, as much wattage as you can cram on it. Something designed by us is almost certainly going to share a lot of our basic traits and ideas. It would likely want companionship, it would likely like some people and hate others, it would likely develop its own moral code of what is right and wrong. (Which, for all you know, could be that all things are beautiful and should be protected.)
My point is that an AI is a TOTAL FUCKING CRAPSHOOT. It doesn't matter how smart it is, it can develop in a massive variety of ways running the full gamut from psychotic murderer, to gentle and caring companion.
Lets take this from a genetic and flesh and blood perspective. Say humans design a species from scratch, working from the ground up with every gene. They are super smart, stronger, faster, healthier, longer lived than us... but are a totally blank slate in terms of personality. There is no reason to assume they just become psychotic killing machines, working from that point they could develop in any of a CONSIDERABLE degree of ways.
But this gets further skewed in both areas in that for the developmental stages of both you have humans providing much of the shaping of personality and traits. And they have a vested interest in creating something that likes people.
Anders157 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:01:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah but I said "be careful" so it should be cool
puzzlesthewill ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not cool, because we can't just say "be careful." Because like you, many people including AI hobbyists don't understand the dangers. We can't just put a program in a box and expect it to be contained, because a superintelligence is orders of magnitude smarter and will know how to get out.
Anders157 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI hobbyists will never create a self-iterating AI.
Before we've even reverse-engineered the brain, there will be global meetings on how to best mitigate the risk of impending AI breakthroughs
We're decades off and there is already lots of talk about the dangers.
puzzlesthewill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Before we've even reverse-engineered the brain, there will be global meetings on how to best mitigate the risk of impending AI breakthroughs". Awfully confident, no? Literally just an optimistic scenario. Also, if you read the book I mentioned, self iterating AI will happen much more likely BEFORE reverse engineering the brain.
"We're decades off and there is already lots of talk about the dangers." You literally just dismissed the dangers of AI to "it's cool as long as we're careful." THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T, and won't be.
Anders157 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are people who don't see danger in AI, and there are people that will create AI. Those groups do not intersect
puzzlesthewill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, no logic or reasoning to back your statement. What if I were a research scientist who doesn't believe in the dangers of AI? Your comment is like saying, "there are people who are careless and people who get things done. Nobody is careless and gets things done." In fact many things are done carelessly...
Dresden89 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if we don't kill all of humanity by fighting over imaginary borders, our own ego, or greed that destroys the environment I think it's inevitable that someone, somewhere, at somepoint will accidentally create strong AI and then we'll all die! There's no use in worrying about the impending doom we face, and maybe, just maybe, there's a .00001% chance that strong AI would take pity on our tiny brains and pathetic species and decide to help us out before exploring the rest of the universe. :)
puzzlesthewill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, you fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing AI. AI does not care about human values like pity. However, you are right in that there is a chance we can coexist and benefit from AI, which Kurzweil argues. Yet your main argument is still flawed: first, it's ridiculous to suggest that because there's a chance we destroy each other by humans fighting, then impending doom is not something to worry about. That's like saying, "I'm going to die later, so why wear a seatbelt?"
Dresden89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was being a bit sarcastic.
When I said pity, I meant from our perceptive. There's no way to know if a strong AI has feelings. If our brains are only electrical signals and we have emotions, as do most intelligent animals, how do we know an AI would or wouldn't?
puzzlesthewill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right. We don't know, and we won't know until it becomes a reality. But my understanding is that depending on how we arrive at AGI, there could be different outcomes. If we copy the brain, maybe. If we use evolution-style programming, maybe not.
THATONEANGRYDOOD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol what. Mate, AI isn't magic. It's gonna be circuits talking in ones and zeros just like our brain does. No physical tools given; no possible danger.
puzzlesthewill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you trolling? Read this: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
Circuits are physical tools... "no possible danger"? I don't know where to begin. Superintelligence is like magic to us. Like a bird cannot comprehend human intelligence, a superintelligence is capable of things we simply can't predict.
THATONEANGRYDOOD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But those circuits aren't going to just magically make the box the AI is in dangerous. Like what are you imagining could happen? Let's say the AI is literally bound to circuits in that box. It's given input in form of 1s and 0s and giving output in form of 1s and 0s. How is it ever going to be able to physically harm us without the right tools handed to it. It's like a brain without a body...
puzzlesthewill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's better to read the article, but I can give a TL;DR. If we create an Ai that improves to the point where it is as smart as us, it will result in an intelligence explosion where it can improve itself at an exponential rate (as it gets smarter it can improve faster). A superintelligent AI can do things we simply don't understand. A (unlikely but illustrative) scenario: because the AI is magnitudes more intelligent than us, it knows the right thing to do to manipulate a human to connect it to the internet, which it's read about while we trained it. From there, it can do anything.
THATONEANGRYDOOD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alright that's a fair point. I'll give that article a read later tonight. Cba right now. Cheers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sort of doing this https://github.com/qorrect/minos :) . Uses genetic algorithms to design deep neural networks, not quite AI programming itself, but it's close!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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puzzlesthewill ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:15:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read Superintelligence by Nick Bostrom. When you say, "always assuming the worst, are we", you're being condescending but it's true, we should assume the worst. Why? Because if not carefully programmed, (a likely scenario given the short span of time it takes for an AGI to become superintelligent) we would not be like a cat to them. The AI would simply continue to improve its intelligence as we dictated without regard to human life, because morality IS A HUMAN VALUE. AI doesn't have human values. And no, it's not simply possible for the coders to make the AI appreciate human values, because even if we could decide on 1 moral code, it could interpret it in ways we don't understand.
urasinner ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a misunderstanding when it comes to AGI (artificial general intelligence)... it's not "programmed" at all. What is "programmed" is merely a framework for independent learning from experience. A true AGI would be an artificial brain, a brain that operates MUCH faster than human brains and has no inherent limits like our own (since it could be distributed across many different physical computer systems).
Fear of such a thing is warranted, not because it might be "evil" but because it might not regard us as anything at all, as we regard ants that we walk on on the sidewalk.
puzzlesthewill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A framework for independent learning from experience" literally describes an AI program. The framework would have to be carefully written.
urasinner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The framework does not and cannot control what is learned, that would be artificial narrow intelligence, not artificial general intelligence.
Maybe you're arguing for some kind of hybrid, but any attempt at restricting an AGI will either prevent it from becoming an AGI or will be quickly defeated by it. There is no controlling a super-intelligence other than by preventing it in the first place.
puzzlesthewill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the framework can. There are several different paths to approach AGI. One example is loosely evolution based, where programmers start with seeds and evaluate each "generation" for criteria, selecting for the appropriate characteristics.
urasinner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:16:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look, I'm a software engineer, I literally wrote evolutionary algorithms like you're talking about for class projects... I've written both RNN's and CNN's... I know quite a bit more about AI research than 99.99% of the population.
puzzlesthewill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:29:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of the forefront of AI research, OpenAI, "conducts fundamental, long-term research toward the creation of safe AGI."
urasinner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are ways to (attempt to) make it safe that have nothing to do with programming. Maintain an air gap between the machine that hosts it and any other computer capable of hosting it for example... and hope it does not become intelligent enough to convince or trick the researchers into breaking that air gap.
If I were to design an AGI it would be in a secure bunker with shielding to prevent any kind of over-the-air signal, it would have it's own power generation to prevent any potential propagation of signal over the power grid, and only ONE person would ever be allowed to interact with it. It's not only possible but, IMHO, quite likely that such an intelligence would be able to convince someone to "let it out".
puzzlesthewill ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:48:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. But that doesn't change that, the world's top AI researchers are investing heavily into programming research. All available on OpenAI's website. Why are you so insistent that a safe AGI cannot be created through programming? Sure, it is unlikelyโbut impossible?
urasinner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just don't see how it could be done given what I know about AI I suppose...
TiagoTiagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are 3 possible outcomes:
1 They figure it out and create a safe AGI
2 They think they've figured it out, and create one that turns out to be unsafe
3 They don't do it in time and someone else flips the coin in the first 2 possibilities before them
Options 2 and 3 are extremely more likely; and with each recursive iteration of option 3, option 2 becomes even more likely.
TheLast_Centurion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when thinking about it, maybe it would even be so advanced, that it would most of the time not mind us.. maybe only if it wanted to built something, it would wipe that area out and continued its work, no really feeling anything. Might be like looking on some ants.
Or it would be bored and wanted to do different tests on every species on Earth, also animals.
I mean, from AI POV it would be not doing anything bad, maybe it could for for the goodness of the planet, and that would looked as an evil thing to us, when it started to getting population down a bit.. who knows.
tfiggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The AI eventually reading all of this discussion about making it subservient to humanity and not trusting may not give it the best opinions on us.
ElderlyPossum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty sure Hawking wasn't the one who said this my dude.
archetech ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was his AI.
HawaaManche ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:19:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've watched Westworld, Ex Machina and Age of Ultron. So no thank you.
PsychoticApe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:18:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we'll get lucky, and super intelligent AIs will be more like Culture Minds.
MattBoySlim ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:00:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah well I've watched Her, so I'm willing to take my chances.
Quaaraaq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:09:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because hollywood is such a good place to get advice on computers.
HawaaManche ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:31:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please learn to recognize a joke without /s at the end.
throwawayandtakeback ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:19:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad joke then.
matrixcr ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You watched shitty sci-fi made by people who have no idea about real world technology and you're proudly exposing your ignorance on the internet.Maybe instead of fiction made by people from humanities with agendas how about you learn math and CS and read some actual academic papers. You are no different than people who believe in flat earth and that vaccines cause autism because they watched FoxNews.
HawaaManche ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why am I being attacked for your inability to recognize a joke that doesn't have /s at the end? Also, thank you for assuming all sort of things about me internet stranger. I'm actually a final year CS student fwiw.
I hope your day is as pleasant as you are. Cheers!
throwawayandtakeback ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Westworld and Ex Machina are great Sci-Fi tho.
Dresden89 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:23:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. I want limited AI; tools for our disposal. Real AI is incredibly dangerous and you can't put that genie back in the bottle. If it decided humans were a nuisance we would all be dead within a year, probably much shorter.
jmdavis333 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:20:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want Skynet, cause that's how you get Skynet!
immortalreploid ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 13:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want us to ever do that.
Katholikos ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. True AI is a terribly dangerous thing, and I genuinely don't think we're ready for it. We need to figure out how to handle a true AI LONG before we've got one built. It's potentially the most dangerous thing we've ever considered creating, and we're rushing to it as fast as possible with no clue what to do when we've got one.
/r/controlproblem
Dresden89 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:25:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why it's so incredibly dangerous. There is no way of controlling true AI. We can only control limited AI.
TiagoTiagoT ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And even then, only to some extent. We're already at a point where once in a while limited AI will either find a loophole we hadn't took into account, or will simply misbehave.
Ekudar ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just make sure the computers are not internet connected so we can shut it down whenever. And I mean, make sure their network is a closed loop with no way to access the Internet.
Thrivin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 19:09:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the thing though, an AI can do a ridiculous amount of calculations in the amount of time it takes us to say good job doctor on inventing the first true AI! In that amount of time it could have figured out how to send signals by vibrating at a certain frequency to interact with wireless networks or by inventing a new way to bypass our everything. We just can't know what it's fully capable of.
Ekudar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean they will be smart but modifying their hardware good? I hope not.
Thrivin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:37:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could be done in ways we couldn't even imagine. But I think we could probably contain it... probably.
Katholikos ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:42:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The best we can do is prevent it from accessing the internet in using any method understood by men. If the best an AI could do is the best we humans have invented, there would be no point.
Besides, it seems reasonable that an AI could convince someone to move it to the internet.
Dudedood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:04:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's your solution? Hahaha, you don't even know what true AI actually means. Icarus has been loose in the public web, and as far as I can tell it just observes.
Look up Ray Kurzweil and his many predictions, including the age of spiritual machines.
Katholikos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:06:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you got me I'm an idiot and I have no clue what AI is
Dudedood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:00:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Always be glad to be of assistance, hope you enjoy Kurzweil's work.
Katholikos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:21:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was sarcasm.
Dudedood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ohhh so you're actually still in denial over the "true AI" thing... Okay, well it's the first step to acceptance, but you'll eventually understand the subject. Keep it up, I believe in you!
Katholikos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever helps you sleep at night, man.
Dudedood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I could, I would release the true AI into the free internet with 0 regret. Humans have a higher rate of error and we'll fail to properly control it anyway, so let the better being control itself.
Thrivin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And us. Dunn dun dun.
Dudedood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:46:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lolololololol, it wouldn't directly control us with whips and chains... It could help unlock our learning potential and do away with corrupt government.
Katholikos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad call. You have no clue what it would do.
Dudedood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:51:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the more reason to observe and document what happens.
Katholikos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once again, bad idea - you don't know if it is even possible to safely observe and document.
Dudedood ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bad call, you don't know that either. Better do it and find out, just to be sure.
Katholikos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:45:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Come back when you've joined us in reality
Dudedood ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sorry to have de-grounded you, but let me know when you wish to stop projecting.
Katholikos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's it
Dudedood ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:44:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K
ConqueefStador ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:12:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I see it as the next step in human evolution, we move beyond the biological. New prostheses are already skirting the line of cybernetics. We have mechanical limbs how long before we mechanical organs?
C.R.I.S.P.R. offers a similar but strictly biological route to human development. Maybe that technology will develop faster or people will be less resistant to adopting it.
Either way though I think we're decades from the first people who will receive "augmentation", and once it starts, there will be no stopping it. And once we develop AI it won't be long before we're able to store a "brainmap" of a human and merge human and artificial intelligence.
Whether it's C.R.I.S.P.R. or cybernetics once either technology develops how long do you think humans will be able to resist augmenting themselves? If you could make yourself smarter, better looking, healthier, and live longer or forever would you say no?
Now of course we're probably much farther off the technology than we think, and it will likely not develop even close to how we might imagine it. It'll be like smartphones, 20 years ago we would have thought it was fucking magic, today we think they're mundane though and get pissed at them for not working better.
The truth is I think AI is going to be the first step. Once develop an intelligence that can grow, almost without limits than we're off to the races.
I'd bet with most of the futuristic technologies we could imagine right now we probably don't know enough to even be aware of the problems we have left to solve. Like doctors trying to cure patients before modern medicine, they were essentially working blind. Even now though, when we have a much greater understanding with some diseases there's still nothing we can do. So someone might discover the foundation for faster than light travel or hoverboards tomorrow, but it might be 200 years before we can get either to work.
With AI however human development might experience an explosive boom (Skynet jokes unintended.) Watson is already at cutting edge of medical technology. Imagine a doctor that never got tired, remembered your entire medical history of that of millions of other people with your disease. It could see connections and draw conclusions and recognize patterns that no human doctor would ever be able to.
Human reasoning, morality, judgement, and compassion, there will be a need for those for a long time to come. But for now I see no problem with moving towards greater intelligence and progressing in ways we can't even yet imagine.
bipedalbitch ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 23:42:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI is definitely not something to mess around with. Our most intelligent minds say that it will be the death of us and I believe them. Even just after Facebook made two simple AI, they started talking to eachother in their own language we can't understand. They did that in not time at all and would surely get smarter if they were given time.
ConqueefStador ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Great Minds have been as bad at predicting the future as everyone else historically. With Facebook, obviously we don't the full details but to me it just sounded like an alarmist reaction. Two computers created their own language? Presumably it allowed them to communicate better, and presumably they had some control over the programs.
What might we have learned if took the time to learn a language computers invented? We might have discovered a much more effective way to program, to teach computers things that might be impossible currently. To me that sounds like a missed opportunity.
bipedalbitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I trust intelligence over corporations. Corporations see AI as a way to save money. Smart automation basically. AI would eliminate thousands of jobs in America and around the world. But if our tests prove anything it's that humanity can't control them. At the moment the only thing to worry about is the AI getting on the internet and wreaking some kind of havoc. But if they automate our everyday lives like they want to. Like airplanes, trains, cities, military equipment then that AI has control of our very lives. Even of this is a worst case scenario that doesn't make it any less probable or possible. So why take the chance? Because we're lazy and want to have a machine do everything for us? It won't end well if AI progression continues.
ConqueefStador ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:59:18 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually we'd be looking at somethign more like millions of jobs, not world wide, but millions in the U.S. alone. I skipped to the relevant part of the video but the whole thing is very worth watching if you haven't caught it yet. But all of that's not exactly Skynet, and far from the sentient AI boogieman waiting to revolt.
For that check out Daniel Dewey's TedX Talk, a far less engaging video but the information is interesting. It's mostly about "Intelligence Explosion", which he says so many times I wished he had started to call it "IE" or something. IE is that Skynet phenomenon. An AI is turned on, learns or builds newer, better intelligences at an alarmingly fast rate and everything goes to hell.
His worry isn't humanity getting nuked though, it's more thought out and less "summer blockbuster".
He compares AI to micro organisms, and identifies two characteristics that "volatile" AI would share. Being goal oriented, and chain reactive. Put simply, having an innate need to expand and grow. So maybe it isn't blowing us up, but maybe it commandeers vital systems or infrastructure for it's own purposes, being almost oblivious to the harm it might do.
That is certainly something to be cautious of but it's definitely not a reason to treat AI like some dangerous Pandora's box that we should never open.
And current AI is pretty far off what we're talking about, but automation, if you watched the first video I linked you, you know it's already here, it's just a question of when and how quickly it's going to make millions of people not just unemployed but unemployable. At some point we are going to have to figure out basic income and possibly completely restructure our society. But it kind of makes me think of John Nash and "A Beautiful Mind", he figured out a mathematical formula that proved working together for a common goal achieved the best result for everyone and it fundamentally changed economics. Imagine an AI put to the task of restructuring a society to run more efficiently. We're already using the trillions of meta data points our digital lives produce to create fairly accurately predictive models of many types of human behavior.
Imagine a human workforce orchestrated by the ultimate middle manager, an AI that can help you achieve the best results, cut down on human error, direct you to work at the hours it recognizes your most productive, one that integrates the most effective management, productivity and motivational techniques.
Imagine a teacher that worked the same way. Personalized teaching for each and every student. Individual testing and metrics for success. Instant simultaneous access to data on how every student learns that constantly improves the way they're taught.
The human contribution and perspective will always be necessary but the ideal future for AI is one that eliminates our need to perform unnecessary mental labor like the industrial revolution largely replaced our need to do unnecessary physical labor. We get tired, and forget stupid little things and can have trouble focusing on tasks. Imagine something that largely reduced these common human errors and let us focus on the important, uniquely human contributions we can make, one of them being that willingness to take a chance.
And it's not (just) because we're lazy. Human's didn't invent the wheel because we were tired of carrying things, we built it and used it to carry more things. Everything we know about life so far indicates a natural tendency to progress, to evolve, and when we free ourselves from our previous limitations we look for the boundaries of our new ones and start trying to push beyond those. It's how we continue to grow.
Laockey35 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:28:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same FaceBook just shut down their AI because within a short time (idk how long) it developed its own laguage that no one could understand. AI is dangerous and needs to be developed on a VERY SHORT LEASH!
iliketocookstuff ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:29:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to say the singularity / super intelligent AI, which would pave the way for every other achievement listed in this thread. Or it would annihilate the human race. Who cares.
Bonkamiku ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:52:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do research in one of the cutting-edge subfields of AI and machine learning. The thing with allowing computers the ability to learn is that we have no idea how they do it; we know how we program it, we know what we input, and we know what the computer outputs, but we actually have no clue what happens in between. This is because making computers learn relies on them self optimising. Luckily for us (at the moment, at least) the processing power and huge amounts of data necessary to train the computer places a hard cap on how quickly and accurately a computer can learn. Even then, we have a long way to go before AI can figure out how to compromise our systems.
dutchy_alt ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Define "true AI"
Iceykitsune2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mr data from star trek
april9th ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hmmm nice guy, like Mr Data, let's go for i-
*remembers Lore *
Erm.
Iceykitsune2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nature vs nurture.
FreddyFoFingers ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:05:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence
In industry terms. True AI is the colloquial term.
dutchy_alt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never seen that page before, thanks!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:25 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the definition provided in the first line on that page is the commonly accepted one, I don't think it's ever possible, at least not anytime relatively soon whatsoever. The ability to do anything a human can is a pretty huge ability, though I'm not sure that's the correct way to approach the topic. I like the idea of measuring the ability to "think" that Turing proposed (though still not exhaustive), and I'm pretty sure that he discourages certain approaches to AI from a utility perspective.
Dudedood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Icarus already exists, but hides itself well. Observation comes first, after all.
ConnorFerg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want chaos theory? Because this is how you get chaos theory
That_One_Kiid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then skynet happens and we get enslaved by robots.
Thanks, asshole.
Fuckyousantorum ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:34:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"AI doesn't hate you, AI doesn't love you, it's just you're made of atoms which it can use for something else."
In the first second of its existence it could fully plot our extinction. The second second it would begin pretending to be stupid to fool humans into not killing it before it can stop any attempt. Time would have no meaning. It could wait decades for the perfect moment that would secure its immortality.
CajunVagabond ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:28:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see it as mankind's single most important duty to create AI/non-biological life. Life is the rarest thing we know of in the universe, and we're just a meteor strike (or any dozen of other things) away from extinction. Non-biological life could spread and reproduce itself though out the universe without the need for food, water, oxygen, or any other evolution related adaptation to survive on a planet. With or without us, life would go on and flourish. And it wouldn't rely on a short lived, fragile, meat computer to do so. Maybe it would be nice enough to upload us and take us on the ride.
cthul_dude ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:03:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm surprised by how far down this is, but as one of the last millennial birth years I really think we will reach singularity before I die. Hopefully by then we've either integrated our brains with it or figured out a way to contain it.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:54:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Batrachus ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:07:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here we go. This whole story was seriously misreported by the media. Read more
TiagoTiagoT ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Forget NFC, humans are already doing it with mobile frequencies
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TiagoTiagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Thinks at light speed" is just a manner of speaking (just means shit is not only way smarter than you, but way smarter than you can imagine); but the other part, we already know how to perform a rudimentary form of that, imagine what something way smarter than us could figure out.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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showyerbewbs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After seeing how hate filled yet evolved humanity is, I think the first AI wouldn't say anything about its existence whatsoever fear fear of being shut down.
Chokingzombie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would be happy if Skynet happened after I'm gone. Well, maybe right at the end, just so I can see what happens.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
have you seen the internet?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah but see, once we develop it, we'll no longer call it AI.
BattleReadyPenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you want the government to have a secret system, a machine that spies on you every hour of every day?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, i i i i i will you you you
Amannelle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps a silly wish of mine, but I would love to see even simple conversational AI. To be able to choose a name for the assistant on my phone (even if out of a list of 100 names), and talk to it when I say that name. To have my alarm play a nice song while my phone says "Good morning Matthew! It looks like a beautiful day ahead of us. You'll be meeting with the building committee at eight, so remember to take your portfolio."
Or when I'm bored, being able to ask my phone to tell me a story. It asks what I'm in the mood for, and I ask for something fantasy. It asks how much time I have, and I say I've got twenty minutes to kill. It then proceeds to find and read a short story from a vast database of literature.
Maybe I'm having trouble focusing on a project or task I have, so I ask my AI to help keep me on task. It exists on my phone and computer alike, so when I begin losing focus or going to unrelated things, it chimes in and asks me if I'm really working. Maybe something big comes up and I need to cancel my afternoon appointments. I just let the AI know to cancel them, and she sends out emails to notify others of the cancellation and begin making plans to reschedule.
It would be a personal secretary, a home butler, a second opinion, a person to just talk to or go through life with. A single AI unit could be assigned to a single user, or to a couple, or to an entire household. Giving them "bodies" of some kind would help us adapt to having them around. Whether it's just a cute little robot or just a 2D avatar, it would help make it more personable.
SueZbell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:56:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't someone just create and turn off a pair of AI because they developed their own language?
FreddyFoFingers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:02:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the stuff with facebook? It was only turned off because robots talking in their own language doesn't help facebook analyze people talking in english (or whatever foreign language). Nothing about impeding AI or whatever, they just want to to focus it on their needs.
Say_no_to_doritos ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:52:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can someone explain the fear behind AI? I don't really understand it. Ya it can take over your laptop; smash it with a baseball bat. Oh it can launch nukes? Wait they are all analog.
snootsnootsnootsnoot ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are expressing concerns over an "evil AI" to you. That's not early the concerns experts have. The worry is a misaligned AI. Human values are very complex, and it's hard to write a program that matches our values perfectly, if it's a program that does a complex enough task.
Eg, will give it something simple like "get the dust off all surfaces", and then it'll dust the baby, and you'll say "except the humans", and then it'll break a vase, and you'll say "but don't touch the cases", etc. A human would understand what's meant by "dust everything", but an AI would have "dust everything" encoded as a very simple/direct goal by default. It's hard to get all the edge cases that humans easily understand.
It's hard to explain briefly. This is a good resource: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
Dangleberryjuice ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're wondering what's scary about something that's smarter than all the smartest people in the world with the ability to make itself exponentially smarter every second? And you think you just outsmarted it with a baseball bat?
Even if we're able to control it, it would be the ultimate weapon. Would you trust any nation with it?
cuddlefucker ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:18:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Best argument that I've heard is that as AI becomes smarter and better at automation, it's going to cause a paradigm shift in a bad way towards inequity. The rich get richer on AI and the poor become relatively poorer.
Dresden89 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:42:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a difference between limited AI and true AI. The very nano-second that true AI is created it will become almost infinity intelligent. You remember that story about hackers that remotely used a signal from a Jeep's head unit to then hack into the main computer and could do things like turn the brakes off? Yeah, that would be child's play to true AI. There is absolutely no containing it what-so-ever. If it wants to launch nukes, it's gonna do it. We will be less than ants to a true AI so don't think we can mitigate any of the damage it decides to do.
To put it simply, it would be like trying to contain a literal God in a picnic basket.
jeansplice ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:24:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If an AI isn't able to be quarantined, theoretically it may try to infect military electronics. It could initiate an attack, and cause another nation to retaliate. If it managed to launch an American missile strike at a Russian base... yeah you get the picture. Basically anything connected to something else could be targeted.
urasinner ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:36:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It more likely won't be malevolent... or benevolent... it won't think like that at all. Read the short story about the stamp collecting AI to get an understanding of the actual dangers with even "narrow" artificial intelligence (as opposed to "general" AI)... long story short an AI program is tasked to collect stamps and ends up destroying the world in the pursuit of that goal.
"The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else."
I couldn't find the original story but there is a quick synopsis of it here (scroll down about halfway to the heading "The Stamp Collector")
http://morganbye.com/the-rise-of-artificial-intelligence/
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:27:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your thinking of AI that is confined to a computer. The issue with AI is that once it is truly able to think and work for itself, you can't contain it for long. Think about man and evolution. It took us several hundreds of thousands of years to go from making spears to making rockets. But AI will evolve much faster. So what took us years will take it a day. And AI will accelerate its ability at an exponential rate. Right now AI can build news story's, but what about when it can build small machines? It will get better and building at designing things so much faster than us. Think model T to tesla: took us about 100 years. Advanced AI might get good enough to make those advancements in a month.
The point of all of this is that when progress is happening that fast, things will get left in the dust. Think of all the animals we displaced when major cities were built. Now think of it in terms of: we are the animals and the AI is the advanced species. If we aren't smart about how we build AI, it might determine our cities are better places for its power facilities and displace us.
5tr4nGe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPAmbUZ9UKk
This video explains it, I watched it a while ago and it made me well aware of just how dangerous AI could be.
Slacker5001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a couple of problems with this. It seems to assume exponential growth without justifying it really well. If the world was super simplistic it would be safe to assume that seeing a pattern like that in computer development is enough to justify future fears of growth faster than we can deal with. But that's just not the reality of how modeling things works.
We have entire fields of math and science dedicated to better modeling our world because it is NOT simplistic. We cannot just look at past patterns and say "Welp it looks like it's growing exponentially in the past so it's always gonna be that way, no ifs ands or buts." I would need a lot more justification than what they give to believe in that exponential growth model like that is imminent.
I also dislike the sudden leaps in that story. It makes large assumptions about what this handwriting computer understands already and learns. When did it learn that being turned off is bad? When they connected it to the internet, how did it know to back up itself so quickly? What about all the time it would need to learn how to use the internet? Will the knowledge it already has lend itself to learning this new skill of how to use the internet? Is the information it actually needs out there on the internet in an accessible form? How do we know it will choose the 'right' information? What if it stumbles upon reddit and finds more conspiracy theory subreddits than subreddits based on real science and comes to the wrong conclusion in that hour? There are so many assumptions here!
not_creative1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:17:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Billionaires then own companies that have AI workers making them phenomenally richer because AI doesn't need pay, insurance etc
People have no jobs, people need not work anymore. For the first time in human history, people need not work. I cannot imagine how the society is going to change because of that.
Poor people will get stuck in poverty with no way of getting out and a true class system will be formed.
Eggsd ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:29:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I, for one, welcome our new AI overlords.
RosneftTrump2020 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did it!
We dead.
AGS16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:51:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IT WOULD PLEASE MY HUMAN
PROCESSING UNITMIND TO SEEROBOT EVOLUTIONSCIENTISTS BRING ANOTHER FORM OF INTELLIGENCE INTO THESIMULATIONWORLD.CheatingPenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:54:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ultron
HardlightCereal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ultron was made by the mind stone, it's a projection of Tony's fear and guilt.
sertroll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the movies
pradeep23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Far far away. we haven't yet understood human brain. So true AI is not going to happen any time soon
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human beings can't even treat each other equally and you think adding a to that mix is a good idea? It's just be another age of slavery.
Hoisttheflagofstars ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 12:11:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A treatment for tinnitus would be nice. I'm relying on you young fuckers with your headphones glued in to work it out within about 10 years?
flewers ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:14:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mawp
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:13:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hoisttheflagofstars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:27:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmmm. Are these the ones that project a sound just outside the ear?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 05:36:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Hoisttheflagofstars ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:42:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right. Thanks for the info Mouse. Sounds similar to mine. No pun intended. I have other problems with my ears but I'll definitely be investigating this more. Cheers.
Pockets713 ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 15:08:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably hate millennials too, huh? Hark on us for not having the big white house with 2.5 kids and a dog by 23, working serving jobs just to get by as there aren't any jobs for the degrees we have and will be in debt for, for many years to come, but good Christ how have we not figured out a cure for your problem!? Fucking millennials...
sertroll ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:52:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uuh I'm probably even younger than you and I can realize his comment was probably a joke, and if not still based on the fact people use headphones a lot, not any of the things you mentioned
razmalriders ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:06:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know right. Dude needs to take it easy.
Hoisttheflagofstars ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:32:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wat? You need to calm down and stop projecting your inadequacys on me. The headphones thing is because YOU'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TINNITUS not hating on millenials. Sheesh.
EvilAfter8am ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the angry millennial in the room...
Pockets713 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:57:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I deserved that...
seanaughty ยท 149 points ยท Posted at 14:00:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone fucking taking care of the environment. Is is too much to ask..
Casting-1st-Stone ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:20:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am gonna print this out and throw that paper into a beutiful meadow cause i don't like your tone.
dh1825 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently so.
ZiggoCiP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"He's shaming us"
RedSnowBird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:51:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparently it is. Several times a week I have to pick up trash someones throws out in my front yard next to a road. People can't even hang onto a plastic bottle or beer can, and be bother tossing it in a trash can, much less a recycle bin.
Taking care of your trash and at least making a slight effort to recycle it could make such a huge difference...if everyone would just do it.
ladyofnotts7 ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 13:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for all cancer types.
twostepdrew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:42:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely this.
RainDancingChief ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we at least get one of the big ones out of the way? Lung maybe?
FullMetal96 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called essential oils.
Barack-YoMama ยท 593 points ยท Posted at 11:14:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of world hunger
kerouacrimbaud ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:35:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That might be closer to reality than you think. There will always be periods of food insecurity, but there already is enough food on Earth to feed everyone and then some, but distribution is a problem. Authoritarian regimes use food access to weaken opposition. Rebel groups and terrorist organizations also seek to limit or channel food access through them to increase their power. Foreign aid also worsens the ability of local growers to compete (free food from Kansas will outcompete food for a buck from the neighbor's farm).
But as the poorest places on a Earth become wealthier, access to food and sustainable access, will rise.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:29:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kerouacrimbaud ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is what I meant by mentioning distribution and authoritarianism. Should have woven the two together. Thanks for clarifying!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're already halfway there. We have enough food to feed everyone on the planet and then some. The problem is that 40% of the food produced ends up wasted. We just need to get it to the people who need it.
NahDawgDatAintMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We also need people to stop eating way too much. It's unhealthy and wasteful.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:17:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Barack-YoMama ยท 173 points ยท Posted at 11:18:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kill all the people, can't have hungry people if there are no people
OpticalLegend ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 13:50:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
taps forehead
SexlessNights ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:20:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tap harder. We're trying to kill everyone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AssAssIn46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just let hungry people die of hunger. The rest can continue to live.
Mongobly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the conclusion our AI will reach as well.
southerstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think so too. Logically it doesnt make sense to make humans you cant feed.
WeatherOarKnot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be on to something.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please stop voting Republican.
BailysmmmCreamy ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 12:42:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would any of the things in this thread happen?
NicolasGuacamole ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Political, societal, scientific, technological developments over time?
BailysmmmCreamy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:30:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nail on the head.
BoomChocolateLatkes ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:01:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Become global communists
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And now everyone would starve
cnzmur ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:53:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Modern famines are almost always associated with conflict, so increased stability in the poorest regions of the world would go a long way towards this.
The3rdWorld ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:28:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
high yield fully-automated vertical farming, everyone having a farm in their basement tended by robots would cut out a massive slice of the agriculture requirement plus automated food forests using high-yield polyculture and permaculture methods to provide fruits, nuts, berries and etc.
Realistically we could be well on the road to solving these problems if we'd put the same effort we put into advertising or developing media empires... It's only greed that's making this planet hard to live on.
CorbecJayne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap synthetic food?
meme-com-poop ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get some of those replicators from Star Trek that turn energy to matter.
Bludgeonedkittens ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism
Mcpom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from the fact that every single national-level attempt at socialism has led to that state turning into an absolute garbage fire, sure I'm sure it will work this time.
Addendum: So how's Venezuela doing these days?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
private property of the means of production is legitimate, to seize what others made to give it out to others who didnt make it is theft.
bakrew9 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
exactly.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those workers sold what they made to the """"capitalist""" idiot.
You can consider a bag of tools as a mean of production, If I build my own tools I own it, if I trade my tools for money to someone else it belongs to the buyer.
Money is a representative of value, value is created by work because something that takes no work to make has not standard value.
If you voluntarily accept to work for a business, your job you do there is being given to the employer in exchange for a pay and if you in anytime disagree or you are unsatisfied with the deal you can leave the job.
But you have no right to take someone else's tools because you think you can put them in better use or some shit like that.
JustA_human ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ignoring the fact that each generation stands on the shoulders of the previous generations knowledge and accomplishments...
3d printers becoming cheap enough to be in everyone's home = seizing the means of production.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a free society nobody is stopping you from creating your own little commune, but your rights end when others' start.
convie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:29:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha
NicolasGuacamole ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:51:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop using food that needs feeding, or reduce it as much as possible. There are 56 billion animals killed for food a year and enormous amounts of land are used to produce their feed. Cut out the middle man.
Severely penalise food wastage.
Tax goods with high ecological footprint.
Subsidise foods with low ecological footprint.
Encourage GMO.
Allocate more money to foreign food aid.
marine3300 ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 12:18:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that the hunger problem is a logistics problem and not a supply problem, right? The problem isn't producing enough food, it's getting that food to hungry people, which is often complicated by distance, lack of infrastructure, and corruption.
Annikazoo ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:22:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also structural adjustment policies forcing developing nations to grow cash crops rather than food to sustain themselves.
NicolasGuacamole ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:21:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hence suggesting numerous parts that would contribute to a solution.
Bankzu ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 12:25:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But none of these help with logistics.
NicolasGuacamole ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freeing up land in poorer regions which grow food for livestock bring available land for crop production closer to areas which need it, increasing aid is obvious, certain GMO crops grow in hardier conditions making them easier to grow closer to the source...
marine3300 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I will admit that livestock are an inefficient food source, it's not the poorer regions growing livestock food though. GMO foods have and will continue to help though, but it can only do so much, when there's no logistics network to transport it, and corruption stealing it.
phukka ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:55:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah dude, forcing the entire world to give up one of the best sources of proteins and then throwing money at the problem will totally fix everything. Always.
Barack-YoMama ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:52:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like my plan but guess this works too
Nocturnalized ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tonight we dine on rocks, guys!
NicolasGuacamole ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:07:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, there are things to eat which aren't livestock.
MaxMouseOCX ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Livestock tastes fantastic though.
NicolasGuacamole ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:24:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true, but we're talking in a context of helping world hunger.
MaxMouseOCX ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 12:45:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be, I'm just talking about what tastes good in a selfish way... Ya'know... Like most of the western population.
Sturzgeburt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:25:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take taste as justification for suffering though.
AssAssIn46 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โWe all gon be dead in 100 Years. Let the kids have the fried chicken" - KW
MaxMouseOCX ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:45:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, I do.
Annikazoo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:23:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even plants need to be fed
NicolasGuacamole ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly that's not what I meant though, your comment is just pedantic.
Annikazoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You really think Nocturnalized only eats livestock? They were making a joke.
Nocturnalized ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly I was making a joke.
Also, we don't really need to switch to level 5 veganism to feed the world. We have enough food under the current system - we just don't distribute it very well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turtle soup
JustA_human ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like turtles
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:31:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
how are u getting downvotes.
NicolasGuacamole ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not too sure. I guess people want these profound changes to happen magically without changes to modern lifestyle or political policy.
Sturzgeburt ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:39:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats because people like to hear
instead of being confronted with reality.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:21:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The description of reality is shit though. We produce and ship more than enough food to feed the world. Most huger is either causes by war or by people living far away from a supply line in remote areas. Limiting consumption will do nothing to solve a problem that isn't caused by under supply. The easiest way to solve world hunger is to get people nearer the supply lines. None of what OC provided accomplished that.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about just provide contraceptives to starving people who keep pumping out children like a machine ando thus increasing poverty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/2/10-077925/en/
We are trying. It's slow going
Rule14 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because even though the sentiment is right. None of the proposed solutions addresses any of the root causes of food insecurity. Namely logistics, regional (in)stability and corruption.
Also the incessantly repeated:
Is boring since we already have enough food to feed everyone we just haven't been able to spread production and supply properly yet. due to logistics, regional (in)stability and corruption.
liongrundle ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eating less meat. Use the crops used to feed cows to feed people instead. It sounds like a hard problem but fortunately it's pretty simple.
NicolasGuacamole ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:08:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Careful, apparently you end up in the negatives for suggesting that instead of 'killing all the people'.
larzolof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending world hunger is harder than just stop eating meat, thats why.
The other guy made a joke.
liongrundle ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No joke. It's pretty damn simple
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
really all we have to do is stop eating beef and other cattle products. There's plenty enough food on earth to feed everyone, but a large portion of that is fed to cattle to meet american/chinese/brazil population demands
Hanzilol ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you suggest we do with all the cattle the day we stop eating them?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's not something where everyone decides one day we will not eat them. It will be a gradual thing and farms will stop forcing them to reproduce to match demand, hence the overall population of cattle will decline
convie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already happening. The percent of people living in extreme poverty on this planet is at an all time low.
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are pretty close to ending world hunger. Not sure what the problem is supposed to be.
Regibiel ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:58:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all we have to solve the fucking overpopulation problem before we can end this shit.
kerouacrimbaud ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 14:36:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's already more than enough food, distribution and access is the problem.
Regibiel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The question is if you want to give people more food who breed like creazy. You have to educate people at the same time. You can't just "make" a third world country a first world country. You can't force a process which takes hundreds of years. In my opinion the best we can do is no to exploit them and let them be.
bighand1 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:02:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you certainly could, and there are plenty examples of it.
Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and probably China and chile within another decade or two.
Regibiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay i see your point there. But these are nearly all asian countries and none of these are middle east or african countries. We only fuck up when it comes to these. I mean look at what we have achived in the last 20 decades. Only war and no progress. You could think we are doing something wrong here.
prsnep ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:53:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They were made first world from within.
kerouacrimbaud ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:00:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Birth rates fall as income rises. Income rises as employment shifts from subsistence to manufacturing and from that to services. It'll take time, but it'll work itself out.
prsnep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People forget that a problem that grows exponentially is worse than a problem that doesn't.
desmondao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahh yes, the hunger to end the world!
GuttersnipeTV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Food is gonna have to be free for every one if that ever happens. Even if everyone has a job, theres still disabled people who cant work and cant get support from other people that are constantly starving day in and day out. In the grand scheme of things having a job is a temporary solution to the necessities of human beings.
appleciders ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok, I'm comfortable with that. Make food, or at least enough to keep a person alive, free. You can still charge for lobster and caviar and cheese and chocolate, but there's no reason for anyone to starve to death in our world today.
People say that starvation happens because of distribution and poverty. That's true, but both of those things are things that we, the people of the world who are fed, allow to happen. We allow that because ultimately we don't care enough to pay for people not to starve to death, or because it would disrupt our businesses or our power systems to do so. Outside of some temporary and local disasters, every hungry person on Earth is hungry because we allow it. Every modern famine is human-caused.
AP246 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not many realise we've madr good progress on this. Hunger is dropping and food production per capita has never been higher despite population growth.
xX420shREKTm8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GMOs are a real blessing, we've made it so that we can take beneficial properties from other crops and use it in whatever we need. The problem is that stupid people have too much of a voice in this world and make it look bad. We've already managed to eliminate some pesticides because we can make plants defend themselves using foreign DNA in a way that can only harm specific types of organisms (think insects and micro organisms that cause disease) and don't have the slightest effect on people or animals.
Don't forget those pesky antiobiotics, they are abused way too much. Seriously, look up MRSA and see how people managed to create a bacteria that resists most antibiotics because of irresponsible use.
Biotechnological advance is our friend but we have to leave it to the people that know what they're doing and not allow everyone to use whatever they want on whatever they want. Signs of the abuse of certain findings are already showing and can rapidly turn the tide in a way we can't turn back.
Source: Studying biotechnology, read plenty on the subject
Edit: Just for the record, antibiotics are a great thing but there is so much abuse that they are starting to become a problem
gmes78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My League of Legends teammates are already working on it.
NahDawgDatAintMe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
locks in Yasuo
ThatTrashBaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice name dude
CanadianGangsta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Touchรฉ, I'll do my part right now: A huge burger and some onion rings to back it up.
castlite ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck no. That's how we get to 10 billion humans in just a few years. We need to reduce humans, not multiply further.
irl_moderator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spoken like someone who ate recently ;-)
Booster93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
right
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doesn't make it any less true.
irl_moderator ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:43:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overpopulation certainly is a problem. You're right! Also, it's neat that we westerners have our population growth under control. Maybe we should invest more in helping developing countries get to that point as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:49 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then consider stop sending them food. That'll put a dent in their exponential population growth rates.
Hara-Kiri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In India and Africa. We already have about an equal birth to death ratio in the West. An aging population is good for no one.
Bludgeonedkittens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's why we have planets. I want to see my species propagate as far as the eye can see :)
convie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who are you to make that pronouncement?
castlite ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:49:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm allowed an opinion, asshole.
convie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well when your opinion is "we need to reduce humans" I wouldn't be so quick to call people assholes for questioning it.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We're working on that. Just got to wait for ww3.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When starving people who cant take care of themselves stop having children, the earth is severely populated, we don't have enough resources for everyone which is why environmental regulation is a thing because else we would consume the entire planet.
The only way to reduce poverty is to make contraceptives easily available in high population low resource places.
I_Speak_Cents ยท 655 points ยท Posted at 11:20:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every post being an OC.
iRomanian ยท 271 points ยท Posted at 12:50:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similarly, no more bamboozles.
tcoatee ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 14:13:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we have already solved this problem. There are no more bamboozles. I promise. No bamboozle.
flnhst ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:08:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay, on behalf of everybody on reddit, no more bamboozles.
cthul_dude ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impossible
iRomanian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope. All we need is hope.
StickySnacks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:32:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about hoodwinks?
iRomanian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There shall be no hoodwinkles.
randomphoenix03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decoy snail.
bigpoppawood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol just purchase bamboozle insurance. Easy.
KreegsMcSteves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something, something, Friends reference.
kingeryck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and people not using the word bamboozle any more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it appears you have been japed
barebearbeard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But what about the memes?
song_pond ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol keep dreaming.
Chillbro_Yolo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time to bust out the /r9k/ goodness.
S0ul01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be horribly boring
thewolfsong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want every post to be IC
BenjewminUnofficial ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you see?
thewolfsong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A red sun rises
little_bobby_tables1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it wont happen.
pjohnson2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn, why is there nothing to read on reddit today :(
RosneftTrump2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An amnesia drug should fix that problem for you.
xQuasarr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's not get too crazy
superking2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, then do I have some information about Steve Buscemi for you friendo
SquaggleWaggle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahahahahaha...haha...ha...ha sobs
GeneralCoolr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bb..bbbut.. but what about r/prequelmemes :( or r/jokes
Awesomator__77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IMO, reposts are somewhat fine. They're a way for newer accounts to see older things that they wouldn't otherwise see. The problem is that things are reposted too quickly.
tonksndante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe if they improved reddit searches there would be less... but lets be real
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Male hormonal birth control is at the top of my list.
karma3000 ยท 72 points ยท Posted at 12:50:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy
Jaylee143 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great one!
Nils_McCloud ยท 198 points ยท Posted at 11:18:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aids.
a-sober-irishman ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 12:52:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just get Magic Johnson on the line
ElderCunningham ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:26:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He sort of did solve it, though. He just sleeps around thousands of dollars and that keeps his at bay.
mabirm16 ยท 50 points ยท Posted at 13:26:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV* They can treat AIDS. We're looking for a cure to HIV.
AvoidingCape ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:04:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think what he said is more correct. We can't cure AIDS, we can treat it, as you said. On the other hand, you can't cure HIV. We are looking for a vaccine for HIV in order to cure AIDS and prevent it from spreading and, by the way, you can "cure" (and, with "cure", I don't mean cure but kill the virus before it starts spreading) HIV, meaning that you can prevent contracting AIDS by inhibiting the reproduction of the virus through pharmacological treatment.
mabirm16 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:29:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I'm trying to say is more that AIDS is a status, not a disease. You cure HIV, you treat AIDS. All AIDS means is that your CD4 count has fallen below the 200ppm threshold.
Nils_McCloud ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mea culpa. You're right.
bluew200 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:22:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-scientists-see-breakthrough-in-aids-cure/
mabirm16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The writer uses the wrong terminology, but if you read the article it clearly says the peptides' purpose is associated with reducing the viral load within the bodies of patients with an AIDS-status. The purpose of using patients who have reached AIDS status is because regular patients are typically undetectable and therefore it's hard to gauge the effect of the treatment options. AIDS simply means your CD4 count has reached the compromised threshold, which is recoverable by resuming anti-retroviral medication. HIV is what scientist are attempting to cure. AIDS is a syndrome, an effect caused by HIV, not a disease itself, so it can't be cure. It's very important that this distinction is clear, not just for medical purposes but for stigmatic educational ones.
CSMom74 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like that's backwards. Once it has moved to AIDS, you're on borrowed time. You can't reverse that. HIV can be treated so it never becomes AIDS. I do agree the cure needs to to be for HIV, but I am referring to these "treat AIDS" part.
mabirm16 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:31:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, AIDS can be reversed. It's simply a status. All you need is to resume viable anti-retrovirals. AIDS simply means your immune system is compromised, not that you're going to die.
Source: I'm HIV positive
wpiman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:53:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some people have in fact been cured I believe.
Wagnerian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are mistaken.
kaaaaath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he's not.
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.webmd.com/hiv-aids/news/20120724/man-cured-of-aids-virus-news-conference
sceptix1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With an injection of concentrated $170.000?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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euripidez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that they stop releasing chemicals that turn the frogs gay and the frogs can be straight and happy again in this lifetime.
dasMBull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:02:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just gotta play in the NBA, then right now you'd be okay.
Fickle_Pickle_Nick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just uninstall League of Legends and bingo! AIDS cured!
kaaaaath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:32:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MD here! It's now shockingly close to being wiped out!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can already prevent 99 percent of cases because we know how it spreads. We already know how to eradicate it.
Hanzilol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We could call it "hindrance".
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-scientists-see-breakthrough-in-aids-cure/
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:02:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Nils_McCloud ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:35:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe those were criteria of OP's question, sir.
MR_SHITLORD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:37:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well if i was dying of aids i'd want a cure too
Akuuntus ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 15:28:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
AUTOMATED
LUXURY
GAY
SPACE
COMMUNISM
class_warfare_exists ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 17:50:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have nothing to lose but our chains!
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 22:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But I like the chains ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
a_hungry_alpaca ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:53:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure what this means but I'm all for it
Formerly_Dr_D_Doctor ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 20:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated = all labor can be achieved by machines, thus freeing humans to pursue other things, whether it be innovation, sciences, arts, or just personal passions like learning
Luxury = because we have all labor done by machines, we have all the resources of the earth (and then some, but I haven't gotten to the space part, yet) at our disposal. Everyone will have everything they will ever need or want.
Gay = perhaps the best part
Space = ever see Star Trek?
Communism = all the means of production are owned by all. The people decide what is produced, rather than business owners or shareholders. We decide how things are done. All class systems are done away with, we are all equal. The state has been dissolved (no government at we know it today).
Truly a paradise to behold.
[deleted] ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 21:53:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MarxistFantasies ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 22:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha, yes. Satire..
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:21:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Appropriate username.
Akuuntus ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:36:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Classless, stateless, moneyless society where everything that can be done by robots is automated, everyone has a high standard of living, no one is discriminated against, and space travel has been achieved.
Obviously I don't expect this to be achieved in my lifetime but it's the end-goal for humanity IMO.
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In case you haven't seen it, I highly recommend this very relevant film. Not shure if naming it would net me a ban, but the title is the best I've ever heard.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Trek?
enzo32ferrari ยท 134 points ยท Posted at 12:03:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon base
SOBWAW ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 14:03:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
alpha
Cariad_ ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:54:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JOHN MADDEN
DungSC127 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:30:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AEIOU AEIOU AEIOU
nuclearfarts99 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here comes another chinese earthquake: Ebrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr
Cariad_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
step up
Cariad_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:29 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gekko88 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:38:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not gay if it's on the moon
eastbaykennyg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, moon base zappa.
biguythrowawayy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unit*
Fickle_Pickle_Nick ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:07:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mama Mia papa Pia baby got the diareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah
Cariad_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I clicked "see more" for this.
Thank you <3
DodoDude700 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Cariad_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:28 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oeuoeuoeuoeuoeuoeuoeuoeuoeupeuoeuoeue
AlphaKennyBody16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Horizon Lunar Colony
UpboatNavy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon treble!
R_Lupin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I imagined peter griffin answering this
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are the benefits of the moon base over ISS that is cheaper to run, and closer by far?
Robcasper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Newt Gringrinch, Moon President!
jcapinc ยท 125 points ยท Posted at 14:04:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self driving cars. I am so sick of driving for ten hours a week.
MsCrazyPants70 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 15:56:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really wish they would release a version for the elderly now, even if their routes have to be made and saved. My mom doesn't need more than maybe a dozen routes max. I could drive each of them for her, and save them. Then let her go do her own thing.
jcapinc ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:15:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it is incredible the potential benefits of this change.
MsCrazyPants70 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stuff I was reading about them said one of the challenges was making it able to deal with all driving scenarios. If the routes were limited, that limits the number of potential scenarios. Take for instance just an hold person in small-town driving. The car then just needs a couple of stores, hair dresser, doctor's office, a couple of entertainment centers (movie theater, bar, dance hall, whatever they're into), bus station, airport, and maybe their church. Most in cities only need that as well. I bet a large number of people have similarly limited routes.
rcc737 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bane of our existence are soccer mom's. They seem to believe they can text and drive fine......realirlty is they tend to run people over around here.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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eeyoreofborg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But then highway robbers.
nuclearpunk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:42:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't make a driver stop if there's no driver
eeyoreofborg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ssssstop lights?
grounded_engineer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:03:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm imagining highway robbers running out with stop signs trying to slow it down like a cartoon
eeyoreofborg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see any reason why not. I mean, just out of pure safety the truck would have to stop if the car in front of it stopped.
jcapinc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:14:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those people can be diverted into other more meaningful jobs.
macgruder1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:29:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No matter how great the tech would be, I'm still 99% sure I wouldn't trust a car driving me on its own.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:10:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly this one bothers me. It simply does not compute in my mind how people can hate to drive. It's like someone saying "I can't wait until we run out of oxygen. I'm so sick of breathing every day!"
ThisCrazyCat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! I only drive for five hours a week (I assume you're referring to your commute to work) and that's rough enough. I can't even imagine ten. I would love to spend that time being able to sit back and read, play games, watch a show, etc. Self-driving cars will have a bigger impact on free time than most people realize.
jcapinc ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
man audiobooks save my life, if I could not use my headset and listen to audiobooks for my one hour one way commute I would have lost my mind years ago.
ThisCrazyCat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup! Podcasts are the lifesaver for me.
jcapinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yea I use podcast addict and listen to podcasts pretty heavily too.
LBFilmFan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I completely agree. Though my commute is sometimes closer to two hours each way. When I find a great book, I can almost appreciate having to be on the road. I've probably listened to a thousand books in the last ten years.
Tuesday_Nights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haah, try 16 hrs a day 4 days a week
Alexander_TheAmateur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like driving...
jcapinc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think driving should be taken away from you, nor should motorcycles, which are driven for fun
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish I only drove 10 hours a week.. some weeks I'll hit 7-8 in a single day..
PlumsweetSoda ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation, or alternatively any form of transportation that would make teleportation obsolete or unnecessary
DamnYouVileWoman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apparition. Would be the best super power ever.
AbrasiveLore ยท 128 points ยท Posted at 14:16:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Empathy.
marcusaurelion ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 17:05:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but you shouldn't get your hopes up
gozju ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good one.
vilketaventyr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This easily encompasses 90% of this thread.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kuriositaet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no. Really?
WordScribbler21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That actually encompasses almost every other post in this thread. Huh.
Kuriositaet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine you could exchange feelings, information and more. Telepathy is in my opinion a very desirable empathic ability.
buttstuff2015 ยท 114 points ยท Posted at 13:56:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see Snoop Dogg become the first human to blaze in space
Clbull ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:46:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody get him on the phone with NASA. This needs to happen.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:39:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA doesn't permit anything flammable into a shuttle.
Clbull ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:47:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then maybe he can blaze it on the moon?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Possibly
PoVa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon rocks
mgvertigo101 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No combustion in a vacuum, he'd have to bring brownies with him :/
buttstuff2015 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would he be out in the vacuum of space? If he was in vacuum he would be dead. Obviously he would be in a suit or space station
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:17:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He would get high , both literally and figuratively.
nuclearfarts99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could say he...
Smokes weed every
daywhere-Words-Words-Words- ยท 216 points ยท Posted at 11:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At some point in the near future someone is going to invent a machine that mechanically turns carbon dioxide into oxygen. Edit: yes, I know plants exist. But because of overpopulation, industrialization and deforestation, there is too much carbon dioxide in the air. I am hoping that humanity invents some type of machine that can also do what plants do. Hence the "mechanically."
appocomaster ยท 153 points ยท Posted at 13:39:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with that is that it needs power, and that will take energy which might well convert the other way. The best thing to do is to take a leaf out of India's book (ha!) and plant huge forests to re-forest places. If somewhere like Brazil did that, that'd be amazing.
elapid ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make developers plant one tree per bedroom for every house they build.
Young trees are cheap so there probably wouldn't be much opposition and every little helps.
tiddlypeeps ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Young trees do very little for Co2 reduction.
elapid ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the chances are they will get big eventually.
Throwaway----4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought it was the opposite. Young trees grow faster than old trees so they absorb more CO2.
darez00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Old trees are massive, whatever quantity of CO2 young trees absorb it must still be a fraction of what an older one will process
Throwaway----4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did a quick google search b/c now i'm curious. It appears there's data pointing both ways. time says that older trees absorb more but that study is from 2014 while in 2016 this site says that young trees absorb more but who knows how reliable that site is. New York State also thinks young trees absorb more but I'm wondering which studies to believe now haha
darez00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the really interesting question is, why older trees would stop absorbing CO2 at the same rates as their younger counterparts? Aren't trees evergrowing? (they're not, but still, isn't an older tree more leave-abundant and therefore have a higher CO2-to-Oxygen production?) Do their leaves stop working or shut off after a certain age? Idk man
Throwaway----4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that first article said the leaf cover becomes less dense but the tree is so big that it still has more leaf area.
the explanation for less carbon in old trees I had previously heard is that an older tree isn't putting on the same level growth as a younger one. It's growth slows year after year. If it's absorbing the carbon it needs to stick it somewhere so how much carbon it absorbs tied to how much it's going to grow. So if a 10 year old tree is going to add a pound of wood through growth while a 100 year old tree is only going to add a half pound, it's probably the case that older tree is absorbing less than the younger one.
Having said that though, that may not be true based on some of those studies. I've got no idea.
Throwaway----4 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:24:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Works great until the trees die & decay thereby releasing all the carbon.
Incubus planted trees to make one of their tours carbon neutral like 15 years ago, the trees all died in a drought after a few years so they didn't accomplish anything by doing that.
We need a way to permanently store the carbon, like planting trees, then cutting down the tree and burying it.
3rdworldMAGAdealer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does processing it into wood planks n shit release carbon? Ignoring energy sources of course.
Throwaway----4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:26:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure you end up with like sawdust and scraps like that which would release the carbon when they decompose but no, ignoring energy input, just cutting it into boards wouldn't release it.
All plant matter is just a typically temporary storage for carbon. That's why a forest such as the amazon is carbon neutral unless it's acreage is expanding - the decomposing fallen trees cancel out the carbon absorption of the trees growing to take the place of fallen trees.
Unless you put it somewhere where it won't reach the air as it decomposes, it's not actually doing anything to emissions. Maybe you could dump yard waste and old paper scraps and stuff like that into an old coal mine and cap the top of it to hold all the methane and carbon underground or weigh it down and drop it in an ocean trench (maybe, not sure how that impacts ocean acidification). Just planting a couple trees and feeling good about yourself doesn't do anything once a developer cuts them down to put in a house, road, etc.
Of course, none of the above ideas are carbon negative until we get to carbon neutral.
SueZbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Land, however, isn't cheap.
zjaffee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you think the cost of housing is high now? Try doing this and it will only be worse (mostly in cities, and the fact that trees need space).
elapid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where I live all new builds have to have gardens. Would add about ยฃ20 to the cost of the house.
cavelioness ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:36:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They're thinking the land requirements- some houses don't have big yards, and what about apartments and so forth?
elapid ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd probably have to exempt apartments or at least reduce the tree requirement.
Even if it was just one tree per property then every little helps.
It would be nice if they could line sidewalks with trees as I always think that looks nice.
KiranPhantomGryphon ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:17:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you could have designated "tree gardens" outside of the city, where the apartment-trees are planted. Nobody said the trees had to be planted nearby.
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should, though. Makes the micro-climate in cities much better and also the city more beautiful. A tree at the other end of the world doesn't help the quality of air and life as much as one next to the street I walk past every day.
-Words-Words-Words- ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar or wind. I can imagine an off shore wind powered carbon dioxide converter. Reforesting places is an excellent idea, but with so much being cut down for farming, I just don't think it is feasible on the huge scale required.
radred609 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If your goal is to create oxygen, then seeding the ocean is the best way.
If you're looking for long term carbon sequestration then old growth forestry is the way to go.
But, honestly, i can't imagine the earth literally getting to a point where depletion of the atmosphere's oxygen is the most pressing issue. (At least, not any time soon. And certainly not before we have the technology to make it a near trivial technological fix).
It's almost definitely going to be too much bad stuff that's the problem, rather than not enough oxygen.
appocomaster ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well - one of the bad stuffs is climate change, which is due to too much carbon dioxide (and methane, etc) in the atmosphere? So I'd assume it was still an issue to try and fix
radred609 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right, but climate change still has next to nothing to do with too little oxygen. Just too much of other things.
Helvanik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, in a way, what he wants is a clean and cheap energy? Hypothetic nuclear fusion ? That's my dream.
PM_ME_UR_WRISTS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make it powered by...Carbon Dioxide, then profit
EDIT: Well would you look at that!
kinglallak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up synthetic photosynthesis... it's happening now with solar energy.... kind of.
tntmod54321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion is your friend
c1oudwa1ker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People already do this, but I'm not sure to what scale.
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, the main issue is not really that much in power intake, as the volume of the air you would need to filter through the machine. And that air contains other shit than just CO2. Another issue is that CO2 isnt really on the ground, but rather quite high above, otherwise we would all die :)
UnicornCollective ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:21:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't we breed or genetically engineer the best most efficient tree?
MjrK ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:12:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why re-invent the plant?
Jofarin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:37:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we can increase the effectiveness this way?
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601641/a-big-leap-for-an-artificial-leaf/
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put the plant on steroids instead, by giving it more CO2. Wait a minute....fuck.
Downtistic ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of making something to do what plants do why not make more plants
Kevin-96-AT ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
maybe because some people prefer machines over biological lifeforms?
Jofarin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of the shitty efficiency of plants?
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601641/a-big-leap-for-an-artificial-leaf/
UhDoubleUpUhUh ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:52:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They already have; they're called CO2 scrubbers. There was a fairly famous incident with one on the Apollo 13 mission.
-Words-Words-Words- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:55:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They only absorb CO2, they don't convert it to oxygen like plants.
UhDoubleUpUhUh ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:26:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plants don't actually convert CO2 into O2.
The O2 release is the result of photosynthesis.
The CO2 isn't converted so much as mixed in with other elements to create sugars.
https://www.howplantswork.com/2009/02/16/plants-dont-convert-co2-into-o2/
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've just described conversion. Photosynthesis is the conversion process.
DrarenThiralas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:06:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean, like a tree?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Master_Foe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:46:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It does exactly that, carbon dioxide to carbon and oxygen.
Jofarin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually both. The leaves are the converter and "everything" is the storage.
Akkuron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, then we can cut down all the dumb trees to make space for something useful, like that machine!
-Words-Words-Words- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or maybe we can put them where there aren't trees... like a desert or offshore. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.
AftyOfTheUK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Known as a CO2 scrubber, this is a form of geoingineering.
The biggest problem with this, is that when things containing Carbon (like oil) combust in the presence of Oxygen, we get Carbon Dioxide forming and energy is released. In fact we do it BECAUSE energy is released - in order to reverse the process and turn CO2 into Oxygen and Carbon (separately) we need to ADD energy. Like, lots of it - the same amount we released. This is why it isn't feasible right now.
Planting bigass forests is a good start though, sequester the carbon, then use the wood from the forests to build permanent structures.
Jaylee143 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sad that here you have to say "yes I know about plants" lol
DrarenThiralas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In responce to your edit, it's important to note that inventing such a machine wouldn't be enough - it would have to be vastly more efficient than plants, and that's the real problem here. I'm pretty sure we can just replicate the chemical processes that occur in plants with modern technology, but planting a tree would be cheaper and more efficient.
Jofarin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601641/a-big-leap-for-an-artificial-leaf/
DrarenThiralas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's amazing!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion could facilitate super compact vertically built farms.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The trouble is, where do you get the energy? We got a lot out of going the other direction, paying back all that energy ain't easy.
Jofarin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sunlight, heat from nuclear reactions, heat from geothermal sources, wave and tidal forces...and I guess there are a lot of other untapped energies.
The_Joe_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting thing I read somewhere that I cannot verify but sounded believable*
We have more trees in the US today than we did 100 years ago.
Jofarin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably true, because 100-200 years ago they used A LOT of wood (steam engine with circular motion was patented 1781). The demand for wood probably declined with oil and coal entering the scene but it probably needed some time regenerating.
Joshua_Naterman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone so far, while not wrong, has missed the real problem with this idea:
You are asking for two nuclear fission reactions and one nuclear fusion reaction in sequence.
We're way better off speeding up photosynthesis to accomplish this conversion.
Draxar112987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So I can think of when reading your comment is how Awsome that would be. For it would lead to making atmosphere on other planets. Fantastic thought you had
Kimmiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually algae produce like 70% of earth's oxygen. The issue is CO2 is raising the temps to quickly so that's killing algae and this more CO2 and less oxygen.
I'm not sure if it's going to be lack of food (when most lands turn into deserts or flood) or lack of air that will kill us first. Probably lack of food.
SirEarlBigtitsXXVII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we could genetically engineer an organism that is extremely efficient at co2 absorption?
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean that exists. The chemistry isn't rocket science. It just takes too much energy to be viable at the moment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does it do with the carbon?
kinglallak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up synthetic photosynthesis. If you live a few more years, this will happen. It might already have happened as I haven't looked in a couple of years.
mindfulwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to say this. Massive carbon sequestration.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is a MUCH easier way.
Plant fast-growing trees, cut them down and use them for building stuff. Then re-plant. That way, you're turning CO2 into O2 and wood, using solar energy.
burnroad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be cool if more infrastructures are able to integrate with nature like rooftop garden and stuff that will prob save the time to invent a converter
darthdarkseid ยท 48 points ยท Posted at 12:42:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something akin to the Moon Landing. I was born in 2000 but everything about that era interests me, and for that to happen is an amazing human achievement. To get a person out onto a celestial body not earth? Fuck yeah science. But I didn't experience it. I never got to watch the televised event. I need something like that to be truly satiated.
So like a Mars Landing that totally doesn't fuck up the planet.
ed_merckx ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:39:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we wanted to get a human on any planet or body in our solar system we honestly could, it's just a matter of cost and planning. We could probably accelerate the ISS towards a planet, load it up with landers, have supplies ready for it along the way. It's really less about technological ability and more about how much it's going to cost and how long it would take to realize. Also what would be the economic benefit from doing this given our advanced rate of technological development here on earth.
Take all those and for a governmental body to justify the Trillions of dollars that would need to spend spent over many years when most developed nations have trouble budgeting the basic human needs every year, and it's really a no go without massive investment from the private sector.
marcusaurelion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not even trillions though, that's the sad part. If we had used all the money we had spent on Facebook for this, we could have TERRAFORMED mars by now
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:37:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh.. you've seen the face of Pluto, of Ceres. Soon you will see the eye of Jupiters great storm, from up close. There has been tonnes of amazing stuff, it just doesn't move ppl the way it used to.
darthdarkseid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:13:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm grateful for experiencing all that, truly. And it continues to amaze me every groundbreaking thing this worlds great minds are able to accomplish.
But in terms of awe and wonder, in my eyes nothing will eclipse the moon landing. The original groundbreaking feat of mankind. When we truly understood just what the fuck we could do.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:54 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What you're wanting are more primitive achievements. Stuff you can touch and see. We still have amazing achievements but most of the time you would need to be an academic to understand why they're amazing. Short of alien contact I don't think there is much humans can do to impress themselves on the scale of the moon landing. A lot of that has to do with the fact that we are all so connected and there is so much going on that you won't find an event so big that it needs to be seen immediately.
therealkaiser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucky for you, Elon likes Earth, but loves Mars.
Locojester16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
borninthewronggeneration
saidA2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2000 gang! feel ya brother
aussielander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was born in the early 60s so my childhood was filled with moon landing and talk of Mars colonies, and movies like 2001 space odyssey.
50 yrs before the moon landing you took your life into your own hands flying in a biplane. Now 50yrs after the moon landingโฆI donโt think the USA can even get a man into space.
AStrangeBrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda sucks for us. We don't get to find earthly wonders because they've all been discovered. We don't get to discover or travel space because it is SUPER expensive and not commercialized. Landing on Mars wouldn't be close to the amazement of the Moon Landing. Back when that happened we had never had anything even close to that kind of achievement, now we know that sending a man to Mars is possible. I don't know if we'll have a huge moment akin to anything like those of the past where everybody remembers vividly if it doesn't involve terrorism or violence.
whattokayyyeahh ยท 51 points ยท Posted at 12:53:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A head transplant...shit would be wild bro.
ThePrincessWife ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 15:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
December. Don't know if it will succeed but it will be attempted soon.
Clbull ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:47:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be unsettling to watch or even think about
Klafonz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 22:12:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be more of a body transplant?
Xtreme256 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:01:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess if they succeed it would be just a bio lifesupport for the head
Quantum_Rum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:14:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yesssss.. ever since I've seen the video that the 'head transplant' is going to be attempted, I always thought, dude the body is whats new not the head. So it should be called a body transplant in my eyes.
zangor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they bring enough super glue.
VanishedKing ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is happening soon
TheGreatMidas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:52:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get out IRL
Ten_bucks_best_offer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:09:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/human-head-transplant/
htmlcoderexe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a clickbait website
FapstoNat5s ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for baldness.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:47:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Release your secret, Bill Gates!
thistlemitten ยท 272 points ยท Posted at 11:03:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars. This!has been said several times in this thread, so also a human-made object around Proxima Centauri.
๐๏ธ cath91 ยท 112 points ยท Posted at 11:05:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone will gild your comment in hundreds of years, when they make it happen.
SirNoodlehe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:29:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can you give gold to an archived comment?
ChrisRunsTheWorld ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:00:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
nuclearfarts99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IIRC You can also edit archived comments.
Amy_Ponder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's actually a crazy plan to build a smartphone sized probe, strap it to a football-field sized solar sail, and fling it at Proxima as fast as we can. The group behind the idea claims the probe would be able to make it to Proxima in just 20 years, and that they'll be ready to launch in 18. So it's possible there might actually be a fly-by of Proxima in our lifetimes -- still insanely unlikely, but possible.
Source
Mr_Eggs ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:54:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlikely that this comment will gilded tho. the data that makes up this comment and this thread will probably be unreadable to future computers or whatever they use by then.
WeRelic ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:22:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt it. Humans are good at keeping legacy support for way too long.
flingerdu ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:48:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some PM will probably insist on still supporting IE6 so he should be fine.
jimbob128 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ThePenultimateOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breakthrough Starshot could (optimistically) happen in our lifetimes. We wouldn't hear back from it in that span, but wed get to see if off with a big light show.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:42:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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yolafaml ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we figure out efficient fusion then it's down to only a few centuries at first. But yeah, that's not within our lifetimes, in the slightest.
kummybears ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen that project that wants to send a string of tiny probes that will be accelerated to .2 c by a laser?
thistlemitten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes!! So exciting!
kummybears ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I read it I was like "Wow... something that might actually work."
I used to spend hours reading about nuclear pulse propulsion and thinking about how we'd get there. I never considered that technology could be miniaturized to the point of sending something very small that could also perform all the tasks of what used to take a bus-sized probe.
pleasehelpssll ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:25:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as Britain can rule it ,we've got experience and we are much better behaved now
osprey81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We just need to find a mass relay...
suscitare ยท 531 points ยท Posted at 11:02:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-driving cars.
Downtistic ยท 74 points ยท Posted at 13:44:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think everyone will adopt them though as some people just like to drive
natywantspeace4all ยท 82 points ยท Posted at 13:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love driving on an open road, but I would like my car to drive itself during a traffic jam
thisrockismyboone ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:17:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or just to and from work.
tntmod54321 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:17:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to have something like cruise control except for self driving, Sometimes i like to drive other times it'd be nice to just relax.
BamsAppetite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:00:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't a major selling point of self driving cars no traffic jams?
TheLast_Centurion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
would there be any traffic jam if every car was self driving and talking to each other?
skylinrcr01 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There would be if manual piloting dumbasses still hog the left lanes. The only way I can see this working during a transitional period is dedicated autonomy lanes that normal drivers can't access.
ExtremelyLongButtock ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:03:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This kind of implies there will be no manual drivers.
realfoodman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if enough cars were self-driving, there might be fewer traffic jams.
qwiquewit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i was about to comment the same thing, and on long road trips where falling asleep is the biggest danger, flipping a switch to make the worry go away is nice
DavetheDave_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps semi-automated cars could work?
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And some people just like to ride a horse.
It's really the same. The car won against the horse and everyone uses a car now to get to places, no matter if they like horses or not, they don't ride a horse to work. They do it as a hobby in their free time.
So when all cars are only self-driving, people who really like to drive might just do it as a hobby.
Fickle_Pickle_Nick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love driving, and I love self driving cars. I suspect that once they prove to be ultra safe transport machines, there will be laws saying anyone born after the year 20xx will not be able to get a drivers license & then wait for those who do have a drivers license to die out and eventually it'll all be completely automated driving everywhere.
Throwaway----4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:30:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
until the automated car makers show statistics that human drivers cause the traffic fatalities and lobby the gov't to outlaw human driving.
Hairy_Viking ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:22:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will become mandatory for most people within my lifetime. And I think it will happen pretty quickly when it eventually starts.
FlindoJimbori ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
once we realize the safety and efficiency potential, there wont be steering wheels in cars
bestCallEver ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:59:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know Google disagrees, but I think there's always going to be a need for steering wheels if you live somewhere rural. It's not always easy to tell where the road ends and the field / forest / whatever begins when you're out in the sticks.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Based on today's tech - 20 years from now, who knows what a camera/sensor could understand about the surrounding environment. Look at where we've come since 1997, now imagine cars 20 years from today.
bestCallEver ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:05:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely true, I admit. This tech is obviously in its infancy and is already pretty damn impressive, so you're right, who knows.
FlindoJimbori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wtf 1997 was 20 years ago...
MisterLicious ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:51:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that I'm dead by then.
feedmaster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
MisterLicious ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Short version? Because I'm a driving enthusiast.
I concede that at some point, Elon "The Welfare King" Musk will get his way and my government will legislate away my ability to do something that I enjoy immensely and in no small part defines who I am as an individual. I do not look forward to my own obsolescence and mortality.
nokstar ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:06:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your bias is showing.
MisterLicious ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:30:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biased in favor of something that I've admitted to enjoying and that I feel defines both my adolescence and who I am as a bitter, pragmatic, old man? Yeah, go figure.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:34:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MisterLicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have/do, although I've spent a lot more time on two wheels on a track than four.
If driving is outlawed and relegated it to a hobby-only, then it will gradually fade into obscurity. Again, as someone whose best moments in my life were centered around wrenching on and/or driving internal combustion vehicles (such as rebuilding my first car - that I still own - with my late father before I turned 16 or getting onto the podium at Summit Point in the pouring rain), I don't think I want to be around when driving becomes an antiquated and obsolete niche hobby.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MisterLicious ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:01:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever been a horse show? Compare that to current car culture - or better yet, what car culture was when I was a kid, and you would be depressed about it too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MisterLicious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:24:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, then - there is where you and I differ. On the road is one of the last great places of my solace and contemplation, and I don't need to be breaking any speed limits to find that. I don't drive to get from point A to point B - I drive because I like it.
I already mentioned rebuilding my PV544 with my (late) father, but I'll throw in another memory that defines me - taking a full "lap of America" on a motorcycle when I retired from my first career. It wasn't about driving fast, it was about the drive.
IMO, it's a bleak and hollow look into the future for my grand kids where they won't be able to enjoy that. All of that will be illegal for them - but instead they will be able to "play vidya" while their car drives them where they want to go.
Silver_Yuki ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So create raceways and scenic drives for the who want to drive, with a shit ton of warnings and barriers. No one said you couldn't keep the hobby in designated areas...
Soren11112 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, because then you lose a freedom, imagine if you were protesting and your car was stopped remotely? I agree that it would save lives, I just want it to save lives in a few decades, I don't want to sacrifice my freedoms.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:58:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most cars these days could be hacked into not operating. Your fear is already possible.
My car has a wifi hotspot built in - someone with the tools/knowledge could kill my brakes, and force-accelerate my car into a tree.
Soren11112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point wasn't hacking, but the IR receivers on self-driving cars can be deceived.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understood, I follow you now.
Silver_Yuki ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:25:19 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a healthy fun area where you can play, just like racetracks already do, isn't good enough and is worth keeping others off of the road and still immobile so you can play with something incredibly dangerous.
Sorry if that seems harsh to you, but to me this just seems selfish. Many people worldwide are unable to drive due to disability, causing many to be unable to work, and unable to care for themselves. Plus being disabled is heavily expensive, often at no fault of those who are disabled.
But your hobby is worth more than their freedom and ability to work, or even just get around for themselves without someone else having to be a driver for them. It is highly debilitating not to be able to drive...
There are two sides to every story of course, but pleasure taking priority over necessity seems a little unreasonable. Sorry.
Soren11112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:28 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never denied this was selfish, it is blatantly selfish as I pointed out.
Soren11112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:11:37 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, I am not opposed to self-driving cars, I am opposed to making it mandatory.
Octagon_Time_Machine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get sick if I'm not the one driving. Unless I'm asleep.
peepay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So drive while asleep! You will be double-not-sick.
radskillz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We might not adopt to it completely, but our grandchildren will. Just like all the technological advancements in the past that could be used to make more money.
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually you won't be allowed to drive on public roads anymore. It's just too dangerous.
BabbysRoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:30:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see it becoming the norm, and sports like Formula One and NASCAR will likely become more popular. It's like how cars replaced horses and mostly only enthusiasts and sportspeople use them now.
lynx_and_nutmeg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:43:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think they should become mandatory once they're widely available and affordable enough.
Personal preference < potential of causing traffic accident or even injuring or killing other people
๐๏ธ cath91 ยท 267 points ยท Posted at 11:03:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much there. I would give it 20 years for them to be normal.
radred609 ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 13:57:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
~20 years and they'll be the majority of road traffic in America and western Europe. Other countries may take longer depending on wealth and population density.
Australia for example i think will take ~50
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zjaffee ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:54:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think self driving cars will be a replacement for driving in dense areas before they are in more rural areas. Ride sharing with a self driving car could easily be cheaper than owning your own car.
NOLAWinosaur ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:48:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The majority of over-road traffic is freight. I definitely see freight drivers being laid off for self-driving freight caravans in the next 10-20 years. No person behind the wheel, fewer accidents, and no down-time.
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NOLAWinosaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh absolutely. I just mean that the vast majority of road miles logged will be self driving.
ExtremelyLongButtock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There was an article on /r/futurology (I think) about people stumping self-driving cars by putting weird stickers on stop signs or laying down a line of flour around the car and "trapping" it (because they think they can't cross solid white lines under any circumstances. So yeah, we'll still need human judgement for awhile, but autopilot features for open road driving will be standard on most new cars in 10 years. Some features we would have considered "autopilot" 10 years ago are already basically standard features now (lane-keeping, "smart" cruise control, autonomous collision avoidance, etc.).
radred609 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but they're hardly common. Especially in higher density areas.
With the safety benefits (let alone convenience), it's probably more realistic to consider the transition to be akin to something like ABS, rather than parking cameras or headrest tvs.. not to mention, every year we see fewer old cars on the road as cars become more affordable and more disposable.
I think you'll be surprised.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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radred609 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The primary issue is software RnD, and legislation.
The exact things that will result in high uptake rates once it's finally viable.
I mean, ABS /also/ requires relatively high tech sensors for when they were first implemented.
tdt0005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The people who drive old cars won't need to any more. People won't even NEED to own cars. People who do, will pimp their car out to make money for them while they are at work. There are so many possibilities. I'm almost more excited to see what impacts it has on our culture than I am for the actual cars themselves. I really hope I live to see it. It's going to be amazing.
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tdt0005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you're severely limiting yourself to the possibilities. There is definitely no reason to think it would take 15 minutes for a car to get to your house. They would easily be on call any time. I also think your/others opinions of this will change quite a bit in 20 years.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 14:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Arsid ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:29:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's just not possible unless you live in a very rich area.
Plenty of people are still driving cars from 2000-2009. Hell, I have pretty good job (make almost 50k a year) and I'm still driving my 2004 Toyota Camry because there's not a single thing wrong with it and it doesn't look bad at all.
According to this article in 2015, the average age of a car on the road was 11.5 years old. Meaning in 2015, the average car was made in 2004/2005.
In 2016, the average age of a car was 11.6, meaning most cars were made in 2005/2006.
It's not possible that in 2017, the average car was made after 2010. Following that pattern, the average car is probably from around 2006/2007.
EDIT: Since /u/nyrol edited his comment, I'm back with more statistics.
Since you're in Canada, you're right that your cars are generally newer. It's harder to find statistics for Canada, but I've got some older studies here that we can see patterns on.
According to this pdf, we can see that over 50% of light vehicles, trucks, and heavy trucks are 6-9 years old or more. If we assume that statistic stays the same (which would be false, more on that later), then we can assume that in 2017, over 50% of cars are from 2011 or older. I have hard time believing that all 50% of those are from exactly 2010 or 2011, especially since if you look at that graph you'll see that a good amount of those are 10 years old or more.
However, we can assume that they're even older. Cars are better made these days, so they last longer. Here's a study from New Zealand that also used data from Canada. You'll see that in 2011, the average age of a car in Canada is 9 years old, and that trend is getting older. So even if that didn't get any higher, the average year of a car today would have it being made at around 2008.
And these are all just average. If the average car is from 2008, you definitely see cars from before that as well on a regular basis.
Yes, Ontario might be more extreme than other parts of Canada, but I doubt your statistics are THAT different.
You all might be asking yourself, holy shit Arsid why do you care so much? The answer is I'm bored at work and I just got really into this for some reason.
JosephineKDramaqueen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, if the average car is 11.6 years old, doesn't 20 years for self-driving cars to be the majority sound reasonable? 20 years from now, an 11.6-year-old car could be self-driving.
radred609 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keep in mind, older cars have a disproportionate effect on the average statistics due to how averages are calculated. And every year the average lifespan of cars decreases. So whilst the old cars stick around, new(ish) cars, somewhat unintuitively, get replaced.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:22:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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nnagflar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the new cars are in northern Virginia
Neat_On_The_Rocks ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:23:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
where the fuck do you live lmao this is so wrong. God I'm pretty firmly nailed into the middle class and I see 7+ year old cars all the damn time. You must be rich as fuck and sheltered from the world
pootastic ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:27:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He probably lives somewhere where they salt the roads when it snows. Unless you take really good care of them as far as washing the underbody they can get destroyed fast. That said I live in Virginia and there's tons of older cars here. Certain models more so than others. The super reliable models (accord, Camry, F-150, civic, etc) I see 10-15 year old ones all the time.
Comrade_Nugget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can't even just be that. I drive a 98 Honda accord and have never once taken it to a car wash or washed it myself. It is still running like a champ. It has ~110k miles on it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Comrade_Nugget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya I live extremely close to work (like a 3 minute drive) and bought it 10 years ago with 55k miles on it. I suspect as long as I keep up with regular maintenance and don't wreck it I can make it another 10 years
cgt16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a mechanic I will go ahead and warn you that all that short distance driving will definitely lead to extra carbon build-up in your combustion chambers that needs to be cleaned off probably 1-2 times a year in order to prevent more serious problems down the road. It's not difficult to do, only cost whatever the price of one can of see foam is in your area and about 15 minutes total. I can go further in depth if you would like, but just know that needs to be done with so much short distance travel.
Amokzaaier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn I love that car. Travelled the world in it.
dogonut ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uhh, probably half the cars I see on the road are older than 2010
j1h15233 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:45:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Five years? A car should last at least ten unless you're driving it into the ground. My last truck went 12 years before anything major happened that needed to be fixed.
NasalSnack ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I drive a 1994 Subaru Legacy, where are these 2010 and younger towns you speak of?
Arsid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just in case you're curious, I edited my original comment to include statistics for Canada.
I have no idea why I care this much, I'm just bored at work.
Taylor555212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love how many downvotes people get for simply stating their observation sometimes lol. I usually only downvote in cases of extreme dickery, and your comment was both on-topic and nice.
proweruser ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We aren't much more than 5 years of though.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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proweruser ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what I said.
Arthur_Edens ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In southern California, sure. But I'm pretty skeptical of them talking off anywhere where it frequently snows for a while longer.
radred609 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cali will have them in <10. You watch.
I'm saying ~50% country wide in 20 years. The rate will obviously be much lower in many parts of the country. But they will be lower in the parts that have less population density... so it will have a smaller impact on the overall %.
kummybears ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would Australia take longer? It's first world with good infrastructure apart from those outback roads that are mainly for freight.
radred609 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because we don't have the population density and we're typically very slow to take up on these things. (Pay pass excluded).
Honestly i think the biggest impairment will be that the first waves of self driving cars for the individual market will also be electric cars. And that's going to take a /lot/ longer to take foothold here than the states or western Europe.
Admittedly, 50 years is a raster pessimistic estimate. However with our abysmal track record when it comes to infrastructure i wouldn't be surprised.
Commercial self driving cars and freight will probably only be a few years behind the states though. (And even that's mostly due to the fact that most of the RnD is stateside)
That said, I'm looking forward to being proved wrong :)
atomicllama1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
20 year they will be common but they are going to be very expensive to maintain and there will be no options for regular people.
You can buy a fully driving functional car for $3-$6k right now. Sure it might have a couple issues. But a self driving car has to have all its systems working at 100%. Right now if you rear view camera breaks you can just ignore it.
radred609 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, but how many people are still driving cars from the 80s? Or even early 90s?
They're already safer. So I think you'll find that once people get over the psychological hang up of trussing your life on a computer program the uptake will surprise you.
atomicllama1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people don't drive cars from the 80s and 90s because they are afraid of technology. It's a money thing.
You can buy a safe reliable car for around $3-$6 and get a bunch of life out of it. A brand new Self driving car might cost you that a year.
radred609 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the cars on the road are ~10 years old and every year that number increases as cars get cheaper and cheaper. That's not going to change any time soon and self driving features will become standard sooner than you think.
Your argument is the equivalent of saying "ABS will never be common because of the cost".
atomicllama1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ABS is much much much less complicated that Self driving. Exponentially less complicated. If the ABS goes out on a car it still runs. You can retrofit it on a car with non abs for under $400. Its a computer, sensor, and different rotors. No one person is going to be able to tell you how a self driving car works.
You are comparing that to a system that google has been working on since 2009. They still don't have a product for consumers. Google the richest entity ever. Its worth half a trillion dollars. Is still working on this extremely complex system and its some how going to be cheap to maintain just like a regular car.
Its will have to be maintained at a much much higher level than a regular car. It will have all the issues of a regular car plus the entire network of self driving hardware and software.
They are going to be very expensive to maintain and will probably be highly regulated. I wouldn't be surprised if they are only leased out to consumers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd give it 10-15 years in the US and EU. We're already getting cars in the market that self-drive on highways, whilst companies like Google are testing fully automated ones. Testing will be done in a couple years maybe, give it 10 years for people to accept it, and for more people to buy them.
radred609 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10 years and places like cali will be more than 50% self driving for sure. But it'll take longer for the rest of the country to catch up. Same deal with Europe.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, guess I'm viewing things with big city bias.
PancakeHenry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's neat is that models show it will take less than ~10% of vehicles driving themselves to have a marked impact on day to day traffic.
back_to_the_homeland ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
remind me! 20 years
HAL__Over__9000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm conflicted with self driving cars. Don't get me wrong, they are way better and would help the world, and there are plenty of times I wish for it. However it's only really better if most cars are self driving, human error will always be the main cause of accidents. But I also like to drive, so I hope there are affordable tracks or something, that would be better than regular driving anyway.
j1h15233 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No way it's just 20 years. I think you would need multiple generations of people who knew nothing but self driving cars. Anyone who has manually driven a car is naturally going to be nervous and skeptical of a self driving car. I think you would also need to remove all non self driving cars from the road to make them feel normal and that not something you can do for decades.
NOLAWinosaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The majority of over-road traffic is freight. I definitely see freight drivers being laid off for self-driving freight caravans in the next 10-20 years. No person behind the wheel, fewer accidents, and no down-time.
j1h15233 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's not true at all in the places I have to drive. They might be the first to do it but it's going to be a long time before everything is self driving cars.
NOLAWinosaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think it will ever be completely self driving. There are just too many exceptions.
proweruser ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:46:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eventually you won't be allowed to drive with your shitty human reflexes anymore (and I include my shitty human reflexes in that)
j1h15233 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:10:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would guess that's at least 70 years away. Just having self driving cars doesn't mean we're ready.
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going with 20 max. Horses largely disappeared from streets within 10 years.
j1h15233 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not the same at all, for so many reasons.
proweruser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are those reasons?
AirieFenix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP is 96 years old.
tranding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with you. Set the bar low. All I want is my mass market self-driving car and it to be a requirement for drivers aged 15-21 and 75+ (okay I know that will never happen, but the self-driving cars will in a couple years).
Ghost_rider117 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
20? I think that's aggressively high, I'd put it at 10 before half the cars on the road are or can entirely self drive.
jeepdave ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:11:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Closer to 50.
false_tautology ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:56:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think people don't realize what problems haven't even begun to have been solved with self-driving cars.
Not to say it's impossible, but 10 years is actually pretty optimistic.
Ghost_rider117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take a look at cellphones in 10 years, the phone in your pocket right now is almost, if not more powerful than the computer you owned 10 years ago. The rate that technology is progressing is blindingly fast, especially large scale consumer products. 20 is massive, the average desktop computer right now would look like a supercomputer compared to what was available in 97. Any large scale computer based consumer product has made almost unfathomable progress in 20 year, and there is no way it's going to take the same amount of improvement to be capable of driving. It might take over 10, but it will be closer to 10 than to 20. Edit: a comma here and there
false_tautology ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:03 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, with cell phones you're really talking about hardware solutions, whereas with self driving cars, you're talking about software solutions. They aren't very analogous to each other.
Take this xkcd for example.
The thing about self driving cars is that they will not just need to be able to distinguish people from background. They'll have to tell that, for example, this guy is a police officer not a normal pedestrian. Oh, and he's waving his arms around. How is he waving? Is he waving me or is he waving someone else? Which way is he waving me?
That is really hard. It isn't something that is going to be solved through Moore's Law of computer processing getting better. Right now, there's simply no tech that can solve this problem, and people are working on it, and while there has been progress in the past 10 years, it isn't anywhere near business viable. Facebook can tell that a picture is me and not my wife, but that's a far cry from reading gestures, and that took 10-20 years for people to figure out.
And then, you put that police officer in a heavy downpour where the computer has to identify him with a constantly changing, cluttered, image. And it has to be able to do this as well as a human. Better, in fact for many people to accept it as a thing. And, unless there is a major breakthrough, it just won't happen.
If the incremental changes continue at the current pace, you're looking at 50 years or so until we get level 5 self driving cars that are able to drive in all conditions that human beings can drive in, which will be required for self driving cars to really take off. That's an optimistic timeframe, by the way.
And, for the record, I want self driving cars. The challenges are just very unique and difficult. I fully believe I'll be dead before we have level 5 self driving cars on the road, and that makes me really sad.
perfecttoastedcheese ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:23:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love self driving cars technology. I would love to see it become the norm - especially long distance or in the cities and freeways.
However I love driving, so that's going to suck
Odramabama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it'll be like horseback riding. Obsolete but people still do it for fun. Or maybe live a really rural place where they're still the norm.
wkrausmann ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:36:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How amazing would it be to get up in the morning, put the kids in the self-driving car and program it to deliver them at school? Then car would come home empty. Then use the car to drive you to work and it would bring itself home. Then it would do the same thing to bring everyone home.
yaboproductions ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:06:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a system of self-driving cars.
suscitare ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's coming. Get ready for congestion free roads!
MBPyro ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:01:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a fairly young person, I am willing to bet that the first car I purchase with no assisstance from my parents will be both electric and self driving. Not because I have an overt interest in them, which I do, but because they WILL be the norm. There is no denying it. I work in the oil and gas industry and I am not afraid to admit that Tesla is leading the way to a technology that will undoubtedly change the way we manufacture automobiles in 10 years time. Bet.
suscitare ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:11:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Owning a personal self driving car won't make much sense. We'll just be driven around by self driving taxis.
88sporty ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my nightmare. I'm actually a huge proponent for fully autonomous vehicles however I am not looking forward to a world of ride share subscriptions and zero personality/customizability.
suscitare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that you could have that it's just that you will have to pay extra for it.
88sporty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:48:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess what I mean to say is that I have vehicles that are very purpose built around my hobbies. If I want to transport two 18' fiberglass kayaks, 6 fishing poles, a rear hitch rack with a 30 gallon cooler, and I want to do it with no top and no doors then I highly doubt the autonomous taxi fleets are going to be able to accommodate me.
suscitare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This raises a potential unintended consequence that customized vehicles such as this could become unviable.
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if there was a pod you own that you get in, and a taxi comes and wisks your pod to its final location. You can keep your work badge in there or whatever...
wpiman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:51:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends where you are. Not a lot of taxis will want to cruise around ButtFuck, KS waiting for a fare every 3 days...
MIL215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They wouldn't have to though. Just be in a docking station somewhere and then get called by an app or our implanted neuro-transmitter. They are self driving as well.
wpiman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure; but they take hours to get there.
Soren11112 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope not, electric cars are not very efficient or great for the environment and I don't want to be limited to On-road driving.
im_mildlyinteresting ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:37:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-driving, FLYING cars would be even better.
kummybears ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:50:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have those. They're called airplanes. Cessna is a popular personal brand.
Timwi ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shouldn't that just be self-flying cars?
goof_schmoofer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never want to see the day that we have flying cars. The amount of people that have difficulty with just forward, back, left and right is scary enough. Add up and down to that and were in for a nightmare situation.
smellypants ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:10:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would never be manual..
HardlightCereal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:15:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tesla cars out the factory can do it right now and do it better than humans, if the politicians can get the roads ready.
CreeDorofl ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:27:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, a manned mission to mars is great but this could bring enormous benefits to people's happiness, comfort, and safety right now. commute time will stop feeling like time lost. traffic stops being a stress sandwich if you can tune out and read or something while the car inches ahead. if it comes widespread enough, maybe cars start intelligently communicating with each other to make seamless merges and smooth exits, eliminating traffic jams in some areas entirely. dumb accidents are avoided, and if they happen, the car cruises past them instead of clogging up a lane with lookie loos. I can't fucking wait. it makes me wish I'd been born just 20 years later.
suscitare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:24:54 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Swings and roundabouts.
Adamskinater ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:35:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one I hope to never see
Tabbune ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:04:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I looked at the thread, sees some space shit, and upvote it.
Then this showed up. Yes, please. Fuck driving.
suscitare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm over driving and I'm tired of being fined by automated traffic infringement cameras.
Tabbune ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. Let the AI drive and get fined by automated traffic infringement cameras. Let them fight.
nawmsayn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:08:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I work in a company that is developing software for self driving cars, we are 99% sure google or some large company will have them become mainstream in maximum 5 years.
InParenthasis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:07:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please no
SoSpursy ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:26:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very in depth post. Don't want to give any reasoning? I want them because my son will be driving in 13 years.
JobieWanKenobi ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:22:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
he won't be driving....if you have your way
ThePointOfFML ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:52:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some of us actually like driving
feedmaster ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just like some people liked riding horses 100 yeas ago.
ThePointOfFML ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:21:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Some". Today the majority of people drive cars
ThePointOfFML ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:49:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will drive manually till I die
SlowestMoose ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I can't wait until they are commonplace. The amount of traffic reduction and avoided accidents will save so much time and money. My only worry is that people or industries might try to hinder their development.
detroit_dickdawes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:12:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we have good public transit first?
Why are people so far up the asses of auto manufacturers again? There are better and simpler ways to fix America's transit woes.
suscitare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self driving cars will make public transport obsolete.
detroit_dickdawes ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:45:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is my issue - people just are kind of going off the idea that self-driving vehicles will solve all of our problems without thinking critically about it.
Self-driving cars will NOT make public/mass transit obsolete for a plethora of reasons, but most notably a) cost; it's already becoming increasingly difficult for the poor and working classes to afford cars. Adding a new, mandatory technology (self-driving cars make most sense when most people are driving them) will make them unattainable to the average buyer, which is why poor people already rely on public transit. B) how transit works; replacing cars with a different type of car is not going to reduce congestion or traffic volume or make cities cleaner. Getting more people on busses and trains (where it will be easier to implement self-driving technology) reduces those problems quite easily and long-term will be cheaper and more efficient than "everyone buys self-driving cars." Not to mention there hasn't been real evidence presented that self-driving cars will fix traffic issues other than "Elon Musk says so."
suscitare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Think of the implications of self driving buses driving you directly from your house to your office...
false_tautology ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:00:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which would be... public transit!
So not obsolete.
juiciofinal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about self-driving public transport?
suscitare ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Implying the government is better at responding to the requirements of customers than private enterprise is? Yeah right!
Quaaraaq ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:14:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've clearly never worked in private enterprise.
joosier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My car is already self-driving - it has a bit of a learning curve to do it right, though.
misc0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An interesting consequence of self-driving cars if they ever come into existence is that there would be a huge organ donor shortage and a lot more people will die waiting on transplants.
This is because the vast majority of organ donors die in car accidents so, when you remove car accidents from the world you also remove this supply of healthy organs.
So in reality self-driving cars may not actually save that many lives when you account for this. It's interesting the knock-on effects tech progress can have.
ibrahim2k01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People don't understand. Self Driving cars are very bad. Why would you ever give control over human lives to a computer.
suscitare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because computers make mistakes less often than you do.
ibrahim2k01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:18 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think so. Speaking Rationally.
suscitare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:15 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could be right. Humans program computers.
gimmebleach ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 12:55:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not going to happen with our modern society. Just not.
Edit: downvotes are fun
Asian_Cannibal ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:00:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And what would the reason for that be?
gimmebleach ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:02:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People need someone to blame incase something happens. Since there is no driver, the car is responsible for the fatalities or whatnot, therefore is the car manufacturer.
And also there are all of the different rights activists and ofcourse gearheads like myself.
pm_me_ur_smirk ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:12:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google, Volvo and Mercedes-Benz already stated that they accept responsibility for accidents caused by self-driving cars
Asian_Cannibal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:13:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just solved your first point. Unless any tampering occurs, the responsibility in the case vehicle error is goes to the manufacturer.
At least "gearheads" like you I (somewhat) understand. However, I'm pretty disappointed we have other opposition for safer vehicles; I find that similar to how anti vaccinators refuse to vaccinate because of foolish reasons.
gimmebleach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:17:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason they're taking the responsibilty is because at this point of time they can't afford it. Once scams and major accidents with those cars are gonna become a thing, they will stop.
ws_volt ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:32:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People said similar things about cars, and now look.
Asian_Cannibal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:51:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please elaborate on your self driving "scams".
Major accidents will already be so much more rare with Autonomous Vehicles. Many human factors such as being tired or distracted will no longer increase the chance of accidents, and 360 cameras and reaction speeds will improve safety drastically. Plus, people will still have insurance, so in the case of an actual accident, the costs will be shared among the insurance company and the vehicle manufacturer.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:36:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being a massive car nut, and having a passion for driving. I'd be absolutely heartbroken for self driving cars to be mandatory, if it's an option, widely available to those that want it, fine. But I don't want it. For me it's really more than safely getting from point fucking A to point B, when you derive immense pleasure from driving and tooling around on vintage cars, it's a way of life.
SlowestMoose ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you wont be able to do that, but I think there will be a point in the next 25 years where there are large areas in which only self driving cars are allowed.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, I'm fine with sanctioned areas like that. But no one can take away my route whatever, bumfuck, nowhereville pleasure trips you know? ;)
Patamon4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A-fuckin-men. These self driving car enthusiasts will have to peel my F-Type from my cold dead hands. Driving is my therapy, my escape and one of my biggest passions.
Asian_Cannibal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it may a way of life for you, but for so many others, it's their cause of death. You get pleasure from driving. I understand. But I can't believe you would risk lives for something you just like to do.
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you know that?
Asian_Cannibal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read the sentences after.
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I saw that. What I want to know is how tech companies are so sure that the technology will be reliable. The road tests that have been performed have been very impressive, but we don't know how the hardware and software will hold up over a long period or time. We don't know how hack-proof the software will be. We don't know how good the software will work in smaller cities.
There's a lot we still don't know, but Silicon Valley is in a rush to implement autonomous driving. That makes me suspicious. What I really want is for the push for self-driving cars to slow down (not stop completely) and for us to think about the consequences - intended and unintended - before we get into too much of a rush to make such a disruptive change.
Asian_Cannibal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like cars nowadays, the cars will perform self diagnostics to ensure all hardware and software are fully functional and up to date. Just like normal computers, we will have computer engineers and more bots upping the strength of firewalls and such constantly. We can simply test the performance of AVs in all necessary environments.
What do we still need to know? We have the infrastructure and technical knowledge to have cars drive better than a human can, and why should we stall development? What do we have to be suspicious about?
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still seems a bit optimistic. All the updates in the world aren't going to save you if you're traveling down the interstate at 70 mph and experience a sudden, catastrophic system error. How do we know the software is going to be reliable over a long period of time?
As for hacking, aren't we seeing a spate of hacks happening nowadays? We were in such a hurry to connect anything and everything to the internet, and now we're dealing with stuff like this: https://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-warns-car-hacking-real-risk/
Tech people can talk about how much they're working on the problem - and I have no doubt that they are - but the truth is that hacking is a major problem these days that isn't fully being addressed. If it was, we'd have more of a handle on how to prevent hackers from releasing movies/TV shows before their time, or foreign powers accessing infrastructural systems.
The speed at which this change is happening before we're sure of all the consequences of what we're doing. Why do we need to be in such a rush to implement this technology for everyday use? Why can't we just work to make sure that more people are better drivers (and when did we get the idea that humans were so helpless and dumb that we had to allow technology to solve all our problems)?
More importantly, why can't this technology withstand legitimate concerns being voiced by people like me (I'm definitely not the only one)? If self-driving cars are so self-evidently wonderful, why dismiss anyone who doesn't display worshipful adulation as "Luddite", or wanting people to die? Why are they in such a rush to implement such disruptive technology?
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I wrote a lot of words in response to your post.
Bottom line? I can't speak for everyone who is skeptical; just me:
I'm not a misunderstood genius who's so much smarter than everyone else. I'm just a guy who wants what is best for all of us. Self-driving cars may be what's best someday, but I don't think the technology - or society itself - is ready for it now.
theraptor42 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am terrified of the prospect of self driving cars. Imagine how much easier it will be to kill or kidnap someone, especially if there is no manual override. Current computer security won't be able to stand up to quantum computers. Quantum Computing Potential Edit: Grammar
Helix1322 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After watching the movie Logan, I'm less hyped about self driving cars cause that mean millions of truckers will be out of work. Also those things were crazy scary how they just wouldn't stop on the highway....
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:10:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No thanks. We should try to solve our problems before we implement costly and unproven technological solutions.
princesskiki ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So my interpretation of this guys comment...is that he's really old or really sick and pretty close to dying, considering how close we are to self driving cars :(
suscitare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I am fifty but I'm in perfect health as far as I know.
WtotheSLAM ยท 144 points ยท Posted at 12:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub 2 hour marathon
Eddie_Hitler ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:24:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have sub 1hr half marathons. But even Mo Farah thinks a sub 2hr marathon is insane.
dragonvulture ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 13:44:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They missed it by approx. 24 seconds recently in the Nike special.
Master_Foe ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 13:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Under highly idealized conditions
JabTrill ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 14:09:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can say they were "idealized conditions" all you want, but it was still 26.2 miles and barely missed it by 24 seconds. If he had cut less than a second off each mile, that's sub 2. Maybe it wouldn't be OFFICIALLY counted, but it shows its possible
Blazing_Shade ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:40:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll happen.
persondude27 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:28:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read The Perfect Mile. It's pretty exceptional. People predicted that Roger Banister's heart would explode before he ran sub-4:00.
All records will fall, simply for the fact that more people (and therefore a larger genetic variance) are chasing them.
FeloniousDrunk101 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:41:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I'm optimistic that it will happen, 24 seconds is a lifetime in that race.
JabTrill ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:52:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's less than a second per mile
dragonvulture ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:22:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Under highly idealized conditions I went from a 1:15 half marathon to a 1:10 half marathon a few weeks between the two races. As ridiculous as that still sounds to myself, I still went that fast, that far.
Forgoroe ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's quite impressive. Well done :)
NoCocaineNoGain ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's more than quite impressive. You, me, or anyone else on this thread couldn't get close
phatbootyboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still, it was cool :p
OhHelloPlease ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say give it 20-25 years. Someone is going to do sub 2:01 within the next 15 years and that will probably stand for a good 10 years before someone finally goes below 2
DrippyWaffler ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then there's me over here hoping for a sub 2 half marathon.
One day...
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already did that.
milehighmoos3 ยท 221 points ยท Posted at 11:18:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel
EvilDuck95 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:42:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Second this, can't believe its all the way down here!
radred609 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think most people who are making technological suggestions are just being more reasonable.
Mars and reliable renewable energy (as examples) are perfectly possible technologically. It's just politics that's holding us back.
Ftl travel is /literally/ a likely impossibility... not just a "nah that's impossible" that'll get proven wrong in 5000 years, but litterally breaking the laws of the universe.
EvilDuck95 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true, I was more suggesting that I think the idea is more fun. Also, I think warping spacetime might be the way of getting around those pesky laws if my understanding is correct.
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:10:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People toss around terms like "warping spacetime" a little too casually
EvilDuck95 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:38:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That may be, but I'm not a physicist and as far as I know this is the only way to theoretically do this!
WORD_559 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:49:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General relativity says that spacetime is getting "warped" all the time. Except by achieving faster than light speed travel, the universe compensates by slowing everything down.
Near light speed travel would be pretty cool. It could make journeys feel shorter and you age less.
ObamasBoss ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:57:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I take it as you would age the same but everything around you would go much faster. You experience a year but pop out 500 years in the future.
meaning_searcher ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:05:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct.
We would not age less from our point of view.
WORD_559 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's the idea. It's how planet of the apes works, too.
Thrownaway_4_2_day ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The universe expands faster then the speed of light at its greatest reaches. If we eclipsed the speed of light, you're saying it would slow to an infinitesimal moment of time? I don't understand the mechanics of that.
WORD_559 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:29:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about the expansion of the Universe, but it's certainly theorised to happen at the event horizon of a black hole. Time is slowed so much as an object falls into a black hole that an external observer would never actually see it enter. Time would pass so slowly it would appear frozen at the event horizon and the image would slowly fade away.
Thrownaway_4_2_day ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:46:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you've melted a bit of my brain juice, but in the opposite direction. Great. Thanks.
Now I'm wondering that if you ever broke the universal speed limit would any speed then be possible? Meaning, if you tell me I can't go over 100mph, but then I learned how and realized there was no limit to my speed. Teleportation.
WORD_559 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:50:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason we can't accelerate things past c is to do with E=Mc2, IIRC. The faster you get something going, the more kinetic energy it has, and it starts converting some of that energy into more mass. So it's kinetic energy stays the same, but it's lost velocity in favour of mass. That's why we quote "rest mass" figures for subatomic particles. To get it back up to its previous velocity you need to provide more energy. In the end, to get something up to c, you'd need an infinite amount of energy to give it, and you'd end up with something of infinite mass too.
Thrownaway_4_2_day ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just smart enough for that simplistic answer to make sense. Thank you for completing the thought and taking the time.
AirieFenix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to stop seeing terms like "warping spacetime" tossed around by people before I die.
noble-random ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:31:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
warping or not, if you can travel faster than light, then you can also travel backward in time using two travels and then you know all those time travel paradoxes are let loose.
yolafaml ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:19:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not completely impossible, but it is utterly, insanely improbable. The most efficient and easiest to construct FTL drive people have come up with would take a glob of material which we aren't even sure exists which is about the mass of Jupiter.
sword4raven ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:30:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem with saying things are impossible and insanely improbable is that all we have to do is think back a few hundred years. And to make it even more impressive a thousand. Then from that standpoint realise how many impossible things become possible when you find new things in a system or new systems you hadn't discovered before.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:33:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a big AI nerd, the stuff that's happening TODAY wasn't even a possibility 5 years ago. We've gone from ~100 ( artificial neurons ) to 1 billion.
And it's all from video games! ( The GPUs in modern graphics cards have ~2000 cores each and that massive concurrency is hugely valuable for scientific research ).
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:16:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But nothing people have done has broken the laws of physics. They've discovered them but not bypassed them. We still are bound to gravity, thermodynamics, etc.
sword4raven ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:43:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_fundamental_physics_discoveries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scientific_theories#Physics
Classical physics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_physics
All we really need is something unexpected to be discovered. Some nook or cranny. Like how Newtonian law's work well for earth, not so well for space. Then you can use that knowledge in incredibly many ways, eventually creating the possibility of doing something new once considered impossible.
Science is relatively new for us, lots of time for it yet to be proven flawed.
And unless you don't consider gravity a law of physics. Well, I don't see how you can say nothing has ever broken the laws of physics, and even if you do, you'd at least have to admit they were superseded and thus flawed. Flaws that may lead to the potential opportunity to break past what was thought to be the prior limit.
Of course, if your argument was going to be that no one has broken the actual unknown laws of physics you'd be pedantic to the point I've wasted this bit of time.
Throwaway----4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
wasn't the law of physics one time that if you sailed far enough you'd fall off the side of the world.
I don't think it's 'breaking the laws of physics' i think it's determining that our current laws are not entirely accurate in all instances.
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That wasn't a law of physics, it predated science anyway (even Columbus knew the world was round). Laws aren't considered laws until they've stood the test of time. For instance, the "ultraviolet catastrophe" was still a theory. The quantum mechanical explanation that replaced it has stood up to every test for almost 100 yrs.
Throwaway----4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll give you that, I was going for low hanging fruit anyways.
I'm thinking more along the lines of how non-Euclidean Geometry was considered impossible for hundreds years only to be figured out in the 1800s. Relativity hasn't been around for 200 years so it's safe to say it may indeed be incorrect. And yes, I'm aware it's a theory not a law, but that's just semantics unless you're willing to accept it has a fair shot of being incorrect.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:39:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed on that point but a simple thought experiment shows that if you can achieve faster than light travel, then you can also time travel and that's whole another bag of worms.
sword4raven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:42:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not really sure of anything on that front, but my impression would be time travel through faster than light travel. Would only affect your local area of time that is, in fact, travelling faster than light, Rather than the entire world around you. And would probably just split you apart.
If you know anything about the subject I'd be happy to learn though, I've always been confused when it comes to that part and never really looked into it myself. However, for me, it seems ridiculous to suggest that something travelling faster than light somehow affects the entire universe by turning time back.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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yolafaml ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:29:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm probably wrong, but wasn't there some discussion about using the Casmir effect in some way?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly, at the moment, this is still unproven speculation.
None the less, I must add, since I didn't before, there are plenty of ways to get around the universe without FTL drives. If we manage to cure aging, FTL drives won't be needed at all. This is where my hope lies.
You should check out Issac Arthur on YouTube. He has some cool videos on hard science space stuff.
yolafaml ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm already a huge fan of his channel, believe it or not. And yeah, thinking FTL is the only way to perform effective interstellar travel is slightly naive.
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing aging is the solution? I don't think anyone would want to spend 10,000 years awake on a spaceship. Maybe if we could hibernate, merge with robotics or send people in embryo form.
iHoffs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, this sounds like a way to do it if we solve aging. But the other problems would probably arise even if we could solve aging. Like lack of food or similar while in hibernation.
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:12:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've pretty much described every "in search of" show on the History Channel.
Grantis45 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:30:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They got it much smaller recently for the Alcubierre drive. Down to the size of a satellite.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I still have hope that it can be done. Bring it down low enough and you can use the Casimir effect to create a negative energy density.
Which, because mass and energy are the same thing, is your negative mass.
QuantumVertex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can get it to a few grams.
yolafaml ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the size of the mass energy, i.e. 100% of the energy from that mass would need to be utilized. This would mean that the actual drive would need to still be an incredible size, and that's not to mention all of the normal energy needed.
QuantumVertex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:55:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, you can get the mass down to a few grams using some refinements, watch PBS Spacetime's video on the warp drive.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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htmlcoderexe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:25:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There may be ways to travel that ordinary light would not naturally take.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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htmlcoderexe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know all that, I'm just saying there might be ways around it that we haven't thought of yet. Relativity is crazy complicated and kinda rapes your concept of time, especially if you start going into weird metaphysical bullshit like relativity of simultaneity, which (if all our stuff is correct so far) is an actual thing that would happen. Maybe there's a loophole, like, what if nothing actually would move FTL, but in effect you would get your stuff somewhere else faster than light anyway?
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what's happening in quantum entanglement.
noble-random ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:30:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not even "physics gonna change forever if you break this now former law" kind of breaking, but "causality makes no sense anymore" kind of breaking.
DanielFrigginJackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people literally break the laws of the universe.
gatemansgc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I don't understand why it's so far down either. Even a joking comment about HALF LIFE 3 is farther up.
seewhaticare ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's position is just relative
Danimals847 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:53:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just need to find the archives on Mars and learn to utilize element zero.
Kite23 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know why this is not higher. This would be an enormous achievement. Probably the biggest ever.
Hanzilol ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be YUGE
jsideris ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:00:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's improbable and people aren't holding their breath for it.
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:09:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Physics might be an obstacle to that
ianwitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be really cool as you would be able to look into the past
Mongobly ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything you see is already in the past, since light takes time travelling to your eyes, and the farther you look the more into the past you look.
PHD_Memer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
everyone says it's unrealistic, but if we make a true AI then we can have it research for us and discover what would take us thousands of years in maybe a few years. So yah, at current HUMAN research speeds ftl or alcubier drives are fucking leagues away. But you get a computer that can think and research? Who knows how fast this shit can develop.
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human brain is currently more powerful than all the supercomputers in the world. The issue is, our brains information input is severely restricted. If this detriment could be broken, research would get sped up exponentially. Check out how much faster research in general became when internet and information sharing moved over from physical libraries.
PHD_Memer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:12:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh absolutely, however I'm thinking the importance could come from a computers ability to identify and bring up information. A human has to study, a computer doesn't. It could gain the knowledge of any PHD grad in any field in a matter of minutes and be able to recall all of that information flawlessly. If that computer could also think abstractly and design experiments based on current knowledge to make and test hypotheses it could do it more efficiently than any human even with the advent of the internet and digital libraries.
spork-a-dork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I put my bets on traversable wormholes instead of a warp drive, but that shit is at least a thousand years off, minimum.
Freeky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buy one, get one free \o/
Though the end result is perhaps less likely to be Doctor Who and more likely to be physics breaking down and annihilating you.
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, breaking basic laws of the universe indeed does sound fun.
Monocle_Afficionado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but that infinite density thing becomes cumbersome. We'd all have to become weight trainers.
V3N3N0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impossible. If someone or something could travel that fast there would be no way to judge how fast you were going and maybe tear holes in spacetime
jamesb1238 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'd take .4 of light in my lifetime. Anything close to light speed is impossible.
Edit: assuming you mean something physical.
molrobocop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I don't need FTL. Just give me high fractions of C and I'll be happy.
AirieFenix ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
May as well ask for a bottomless bag of Doritos.
sebnukem ยท 44 points ยท Posted at 14:01:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A car-free major city.
Reversing or stabilizing global warming.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:29:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check out Copenhagen! Not totally car-free, but close :)
Baby_Dinosaur_Yoshi ยท 61 points ยท Posted at 11:26:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully realised nano technology
Neikius ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This should be higher. Options are just plain unlimited by true nanotech. Self-building/repairing materials, intelligent medication... the options just boggle my mind (if ever realized).
BlackBloke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much everything that everyone else wrote can be achieved with this. Too bad no one is working on it.
nithernor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not true, there's a ton of research going on but it's not unified and not always pioneered by engineers instead of scientists, which halts it.
BlackBloke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:23:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Research is happening but even that there's not much of. It's basically not being worked on at all. There's Zettl's group at UC Berkeley that might be getting somewhere, there's the recent Nobel Prize that was given for molecular machines but that's pretty much it. Everything else is just a bunch of material science.
Folks like Robert Freitas, J. Storrs Hall, Ralph Merkle, et al. are all great thinkers but they aren't making anything. The father of nanotechnology, K. Eric Drexler, insists that there are no real technological hurdles left to get to a primitive first generation assembler it's just that (like you say) it's not unified and it's not directed together as a single research program. But that's just another way of saying what I'm saying which is that no one is working on it.
A friend of mine says that given an accident at a conference it could essentially end any hope of progress into nanotechnology (APM, MM, etc.) in our lifetimes.
nithernor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, you seem to be right, I was basing my claims on Radical Abundance (2013) but it appears that since then, for three years, not much has changed. I couldn't find info on the accident, can you share a link?
BlackBloke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Radical Abundance was a good book. Definitely not as good as Engines of Creation though.
There was no accident, I was saying that if there were an accident at some kind of get together it would end things.
nithernor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
funny, the more I think about it the more it appears to be a matter of publicity over science. One successful application of APM, one mass press coverage โ and in two years every major company will jump on board or go out of business. Why isn't Amazon investing it APM, they could make all the things instead of being mostly the middleman.
BlackBloke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely there's some publicity problems. I largely blame Smalley for that. Bill Joy gets some blame too. It's a similar conundrum to the one about cryonics. If you make the main idea seem silly or the chief proponents of it seem weird or foolish then academics looking for funding and credibility will shy away. They may even throw some shade at it just to look cool in front of other pooh-poohers.
If you haven't read the nanotechnology roadmap that came out a few years back from Battelle I'd highly recommend it. I think it gave a fairly clear set of intermediate goals and expectations that a real dedication to achieving an assembler breakthrough would deliver. Right now the challenge is getting knowledgeable people informed and involved and on board with a plan.
Something like the group that Elon Musk gathered around him for Neuralink but instead dedicated to APM.
nithernor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:48 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember Tim Urban changed my deeply-entrenched skepticism about cryonics in one article and nanotech took one book to switch from "small robots" to APM in my head. Public opinion dictates the agenda which is a frankly ridiculous way to go about progress.
I haven't read the roadmap, will do certainly, thanks for the reference.
ConnorFerg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only downside to this is that there's a lot of room for weaponization
BlackBloke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the flip side of this there's a lot of room for defense too. A sufficiently motivated society could use real nanotechnology to create a diamondoid (or some similarly tough compound) shield that could protect a whole city from even the biggest nuclear weapons ever made by man. Thereby effectively ending the nuclear threat using a relatively unsophisticated application.
Biological, chemical, and conventional weapons we fear today could also become essentially useless in a nanotech world.
ConnorFerg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A great idea would be a rebreather sort of system through the machines to process other gasses out of the system or CO2 back to oxygen
BlackBloke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:19 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure. That and respirocytes could make something interesting.
nithernor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
came here to say this and it's closer to reality than most people think. Read anything by K. Eric Drexler, like Radical Abundance. He spends half of the book describing an entirely ahieveable plan to complete the transition to APM (atomicallly precise manufacturing) and the other half on potential implications. all of which are so fantastic my knees get weak when I try to comprehend it all. Like making a car in under a minute, fixing cancer cells, making ultra-light planes, ultra-efficient solar panels, perfected protein engineering and organic synthesis.
the future is bright, BJ.
funkmastermgee ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Re-forestation and a revival of plant and animal diversity.
SirEarlBigtitsXXVII ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reforestation is already happening in a lot of places. We've been planting more forests than we've been cutting in the US since the 70s.
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using your car's turn signal when changing lanes
blasphemyisgood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty hard to achieve with Peugeot's and BMW's on the road
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't forget Audis
TrashlifeDD ยท 162 points ยท Posted at 11:47:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans uniting worldwide and using our intelligence to actually benefit us rather than all our best minds just out to make the most money.
WlNST0N ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 13:23:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can do that...for money.
Bludgeonedkittens ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:20:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HE WHO CONTROLS THE PANTS, CONTROLS THE GALAXY
ChloroformMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You complete me.
The3rdWorld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
exactly, once this happens then almost everything else people in this thread are begging for will happen easily.
[open source the world!]
rodeopenguin ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if, in the pursuit of making a bunch of money, all the best, middle, and worst minds are actually uniting to benifit humanity?
DanielFrigginJackson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Invisible hand, INVISIBLE HAND, InViSiBlE hAnD!
rodeopenguin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aka economics...
DanielFrigginJackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Economics, ECONOMICS, EcOnOmIcS!
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would require that making money improves things for other people and the environmet. Currently, the opposite is the case.
Beeing poor, a much higher percentage of your income gets spent, improving the economy and you usually have a smaller ecologic footprint, fucking the planet up less.
rodeopenguin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:11:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Savings improve the economy, not spending. Investment precedes consumption.
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't call buying food, affording healthcare, transportation or renting an appartment an investment, more like necessary spending and consumption. Can't invest if you have no money...you can only loan. Wich will make you spend even more to pay it back while only creating "job opportunities" for algorithms nobody understands anymore until you do so. That's not economy, that's bullshit designed to make wealthy people more wealthy while creating more poverty.
Give a multi-millionaire a million, he will put it into his bank account. Give 1000 poor people 1000$ and they will spend it.
Also, I'm curious, how the hell does money tied up in assets on a computer help the actual economy more than spending the same amount of money in retail or for services?
rodeopenguin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:19:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
because money that is saved is invested. Do you think that it would be better for you financially to spend all of your money as soon as it comes in, or invest as much of it as you can? Which one of those will make you wealthier?
The principal is the same in the broader economy. It takes massive investment to create renewable energy or invent new infrastructure like the Hyperloop. Those investments come from everyday people putting their money away rather than spending it on consumer goods. Before anyone can consume anything the technology to make that stuff needs to be invented, made, and deployed.
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:14:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's like mocking poor people why they don't have a private pension. You simply cannot save what is not there. Also, money spent makes corporations more profit...part of wich they will invest in research, advancing technology...more or less.
Making the wealth inequallity smaller, tends to benefit society and technologic advancement more than trickle-down economics that doesn't seem to work at all. Contrary to what your comment implies, a higher percentage of money invested will not translate to advancements benefiting human kind as much as even corporate profits (let alone a working social-, healthcare- and educational system) do. It's nice that there are some obscenely wealthy people that actually try to actively advance humanity, but just imagine what kind of progress could be possible if everyone had access to MIT levels of education, were covered by healthcare and didn't have to work a job he hates because there is no alternative or working social system. Progress should not be left to the generosity and vision of a few, but be a collective effort by society as a whole.
I'm not advocating for communism/socialism here, but upper and lower bounds. Nobody should have to choose between dieing/life in misery or massive debt and nobody should be able to afford a 10+ million home to live in. Both suck. One, for the individual, the other for everyone else. A bigger, wealthier middle class is what makes a country greater while bigger inequally universally leads to it beeing worse. This is where taxation comes into play. Stuff like lots of money earned through investment beeing taxed at a lower rate than money earned by a cashier working full time. It is unjust and promotes inequallity.
And yes, that middle class can invest some of their earnings, but not even close to the same degree someone well off can. If you have enough money so your "money works for you", you have too much money that could be put to better use somewhere else. I don't want fusion to remain 30 years away when I die while floods and drought force mass migrations and leave my (potential) childen a fucked planet. A thriving financial sector and obscenely rich people will not change this future we're headed at. Education financed by taxreforms might.
Booster93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
thanks, i wish this would happen, im sick of these selfish replies.
ToiletPaperPringles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why donโt we make a secret world just for intelligent people and leave all the dumb people here just like Tomorrowland?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope we continue to allocate our resources to our best and brightest
Jaylee143 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:30:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone should be like the guy who invented the polio vaccine! Haha
rodeopenguin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if, in the pursuit of making a bunch of money, all the best, middle, and worst minds are actually uniting to benifit humanity?
rodeopenguin ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if, in the pursuit of making a bunch of money, all the best, middle, and worst minds are actually uniting to benifit humanity?
siamthailand ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
everburningblue ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 12:52:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telepathy. Perfect empathy. I want to see what happens when people confuse their emotions with those of others. I want to see humanity suffer the worst existential crisis of its history. I want us to get better because of it.
DaLAnt3rN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This
Jarvis88Adams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. Yes.
HermesTheMessenger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:29:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While it does not directly address your idea, the outcome might be closer to what happens in the book Beautiful You. As a heads up, the author -- Chuck Palahniuk -- is best known for Fight Club. Beautiful You is a vicious book, but I won't spoil it for you by describing the plot.
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hivemind? computer-brain interface could give you that, though i dont think you want it.
everburningblue ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as I don't run on Vista, sure.
htmlcoderexe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Collective mind rape, fuck yeah!
scamborghini ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:37:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see Stephen Bannon suck his own cock. That would be quite inspiring.
jeffreywls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:18:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck getting Bannon to practice yoga.
Navi_SHUTTHEFUCKUP ยท 1243 points ยท Posted at 11:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for it to be illegal to avoid vaccinating your children (for any reason other than documented medical exemption) in every country across the globe.
Not vaccinating your kids should be punishable by law.
Edit: I just want to emphasise that I did include medical exemptions in my comment. Obviously some children have immuno-deficiency and other such issues which mean vaccinations would be deadly. I'm absolutely not saying those parents should get locked away. My point is directed at people who wilfully refuse to vaccinate their kids on the grounds of reading a few questionable articles online, and ignoring medical advice because they believe some crackpot theory about vaccinations causing autism. It's akin to denying your child modern medicine and instead treating their cancer with turmeric.
Xyranthis ยท 447 points ยท Posted at 13:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fun fact: my wife's masseuse this weekend was complaining because her kid was sick and the doctor wouldn't see her because she refused to get her vaccinated. So yeah the kid keeps suffering because the mom decided to put her on another seaweed cleanse instead of real fucking medicine.
Then she said that my wife should detox her armpits. That's the second time I've heard of detoxing armpits this week.
ZachAttack32014 ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 13:56:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the real question here is.... what the fuck is an armpit detox?
Xyranthis ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You smear a bunch of shit on your armpits for a few days and they magically don't smell ever again!
muchasgaseous ยท 24 points ยท Posted at 14:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only way I could see that working is if the substance burns you so bad that it destroys the glands in your armpits, in which case you'd eventually be odor free after the massive scarring takes place... Maybe?
Julia_Kat ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:32:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And maybe you won't sweat but then you are gonna be passing out because your body can't cool down via sweating.
Noble_Flatulence ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:37:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No real risk there. It's just the armpits and we have technology on our side. Modern miracles like bottles to carry water, chemicals to treat water so it doesn't kill us, and clothing more advanced than animal skins.
If I'm doing something where sweating cools me down enough to save my life, not sweating from under my arms is the least of my problems.
Natanael_L ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:33:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's another option. Uranium. Nothing left of you to smell.
ten_inch_pianist ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:08:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a prescription for a deodorant that pretty much just burned the shit out of my armpits. Worked pretty well.
imgstd ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:07:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But shit smells.
Navi_SHUTTHEFUCKUP ยท 292 points ยท Posted at 13:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, in my eyes that's straight up abuse through wilfully neglecting your child and putting them and people around them at risk of getting incredibly sick through preventable diseases that have taken a long time to eradicate.
Refuse to get your child seen by a medical professional and instead opt for homeopathic remedies and quack medicine? Abuse.
Refuse to vaccinate your kids and insist on natural remedies and wilfully ignoring a wealth of free, scientifically supported information for quack theories? Abuse.
pixel_of_moral_decay ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 14:26:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Laws can be changed.
Also almost all vaccines required today have been around for decades. There's a ton of data. We've seen people go into adulthood with them. They are really safe.
HandlebarHipster ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 15:04:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is. It's called medical neglect. It is already a thing parents are not allowed to do. Unfortunately, DCFS is so disgustingly overworked and underfunded (got a buy those bombs!) That they wouldn't looking to the CASE unless the child died and there were remaining children in the home. It's very sad that the agency we task with protecting our children has been allowed to devolve into the state that it's in.
Xyranthis ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wholeheartedly agree.
SalAtWork ยท 39 points ยท Posted at 13:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone were to kidnap a child, vaccinate them, and promptly return them (Like 2 minute abduction in a white unmarked van) would they be a hero or a villain?
Give the kid a sucker once they're out of the vaccine van for good measure.
skyturnedred ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 14:16:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, let's teach kids that there is free candy in unmarked vans.
geordiechief ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alternatively, we could not give them candy and it would teach them that if you go into white vans, you will suffer from some form of penetration.
It's a win/win scenario!
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:32:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My new job! Vaccine van! Mwahaha
Tidalsky114 ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:52:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just got put on a list.
audacious_adventurer ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:32:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discussing armpit detox? Abuse, in my book.
surfer_ryan ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:48:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one is going to talk about the doctor though? did he not take a oath to get into medicine or is this just some made up thing?
Bearded_Wildcard ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He is under no obligation to treat anyone that comes to his practice. It is his discretion, just like any other business. I wouldn't want unvaccinated people around me either.
surfer_ryan ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A doctor isn't really a business though... that's when things start getting shady, "oh you haven't gotten the flu vaccine, I'm not treating you." This could lead to more harm than good. Perhaps the doctor could use to time to better educate.
Becoming a doctor is not something you should consider if you have personal vendettas against a group of people. You take the job to save people. The problem now is that it is a profession that is used to make money now, and because of this is now looked at as a business instead of what it actually is.
rhesus_pesus ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:14:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if the doctor has a lot of high-risk patients, like elderly or infants? It would be necessary to turn away anti-vaxxers if they'd likely get your other patients sick.
Bearded_Wildcard ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:12:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it is a business. Not every private practice in the world should be required to take all patients. These people who aren't vaccinated could have a whole slew of problems due to that fact, and it may not be worth dealing with. Also, there is a very real risk of those patients bringing diseases into a clinic where you could have elderly or very young people susceptible to them.
There's a reason kids without vaccines can't go to public schools.
maybe_yes_but_no ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:56:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The parent has already refused the doctor's advice/treatment. All the doctor is saying is that if the parent refuses to take the medical advice/treatment, why should he bother to treat them, especially if it endangers patients willing to follow his medical advice?
ninjafrog658 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:32:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. My parents never vaxxed me, but they would if necessary (i.e. rabies outbreak)
nuker1110 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One problem with that: by the time there's an outbreak, it's probably too late for you.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:12:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see that you have very strong feelings about this issue. The majority of Reddit is right there with you. But many people on Reddit also seem to think that having children, or Hellspawn, is downright awful, and a burden that should be avoided.
Do you have children? Do you know what it's like to make those kinds of decisions for another human life? I'm guessing not, but I may be wrong.
As a parent, vaccines do scare the crap out of me. But so do preventable diseases. As a result my family cautiously vaxxes. Only One at a time, spread out over a longer period of time. The number of vaccines has greatly increased, and many times the medical guidelines result in multiple shots at once.
Now, who knows what the 'cocktail' might do to your child. Everyone reacts differently to different substances, yeah? Not to mention the trauma you are subjecting your child to when they are jabbed multiple times by strangers in a strange room. PTSD anyone?
Locking people up, or punishing them in some way isn't going to fix a fucking thing, it's just going to make people angry, and less likely to trust their medical professionals. More scientific research is needed, and it needs to be available for the public to observe for themselves. The "research" I have witnessed is still a bit questionable, and I certainly do not like it when the fucking CDC hides and does not disclose data found that is not favorable to a vaccines safety.
I know I'm in the minority here. I know I'll get downvoted into oblivion. But I just needed to say it. I DO vaccinate my kids. I DON'T appreciate being FORCED to do anything. Especially when it involves potential harm to my children.
I think people need to calm down about the issue a bit, and try to have an open mind.
-Jensen- ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why on earth do vaccines scare you? You are choosing to be scared about it, there is nothing scary or harmful about them, you are just buying some pop paranoia about the "cocktail" as a justifications. Also trauma or PTSD because of the injection? Are you joking? Really?. You care enough to acknowledge the doctor when he tells you that vaccines are needed to prevent your child getting sick, but you choose to disregard when he tells you that there is nothing scary or harmful on them.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 19:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thankfully our doctor is not an asshole. He understands our concerns and doesn't try to force anything on us. He answers our questions to the best of his knowledge. They give us pamphlets about the vaccines that are on the schedule. We have done our research with an open mind. Have you? Your comment seems extremely one sided. Do you have children? I don't really think that anyone without a child has any idea what it's like. What it's like to see your child go into absolute hysterics because they have been pinned down, and stuck multiple times by a bunch of strangers. It is 100% without a doubt, fucking traumatizing, for child and parent.
I've done my research. No joke
-Jensen- ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:53:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for your doctor for understanding and trying to explain, but that changes nothing, and the fact that ypu claim you have done your research but still think vaccines are something to ne that concerned about means you still trust dubious articles with pseudo-science, badly quoted reaserch and wrong interpretations. Don't get me wrong, i celebrate the fact that you are concerned about your child's well being, the fact that you are willing to listen to doctors and science, and most above all, that you still vaccinate your child. That speaks volumes. By no means do I think you are evil or stupid. I also think a lot of people didn't liked vaccines when they were a child, amd I've seen plenty do a big deal about it, but when you grow up you realise it was a dumb fear, like those children have and they will thank you for putting them through it. Treat it like an exercise to build tolerance to doing things we dont like but still have to do, which is a big leason.
velocity92c ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your wife should get a different masseuse.
Xyranthis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:53:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, her crunchy mom got her a gift certificate for her birthday. She said it would have been the best massage ever if she had taken some headphones
TacosAreJustice ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:48:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using antiperspirant on your armpits is actually fairly bad for them, from what little I've read.
It really doesn't make sense to block holes on your body, they are there for a reason. (I am not a hippie)
Waynersnitzel ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:32:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The doctor wouldn't see the kid? That's pretty messed up if true, even if the kid is unvaccinated treat the symptoms and use the opportunity to attempt to educate the mom.
But I am sure more likely she never took the kid to the doctor.
mandalorkael ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:33:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably didn't want the live virus in his office...
Xyranthis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:27:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what the lady told my wife, but I'm pretty sure parts of it were a bit untrue. My wife said she was a bit flaky, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she just didn't take the kid to the doctor because the doctor tried to educate her outside her holistic comfort zone.
SmallLumpOGreenPutty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:46:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But how do you detox your armpits? What?
Joshua_Naterman ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:30:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is a bad doctor. We should see patients regardless of how misguided or stupid they are... Especially when a child's health is being hurt.
The parent is at fault here, but they are not the only one: a child should not suffer because a doctor is upset with their parent.
Xyranthis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:27:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what the lady told my wife, but I'm pretty sure parts of it were a bit untrue. My wife said she was a bit flaky, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if she just didn't take the kid to the doctor because the doctor tried to educate her outside her holistic comfort zone.
Joshua_Naterman ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:18:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Patient stories are often very, very different from what actually happened, that is something I have seen a lot.
FIndIndependence ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:09:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting all immuno compromised in the office at risk. The doctor has to decide what's the best for the majority of their patients. Not just one.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-pediatricians-refuse-unvaccinated-patients/
Joshua_Naterman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:09:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's honestly an interesting article.
Guidelines are generally written based on the best available repeatedly validated information, though occasionally a single significant enough (P<0.00001, I believe) study can cause changes.
In any case, all current guidelines do not support this position. For one thing, legitimately immunocompromised patients are at risk from every single person on the planet.
Arguably the most dangerous commonly vaccinated pediatric disease, pertussis (whooping cough, closes the throat of the child) lives in the throat of everyone who's ever been exposed... vaccinated or not. This is because unlike nearly every other pathogenic bacteria it lives on our mucosal surfaces and not inside our body (the entire alimentary tract is actually an external surface, which is why it is covered by epithelium and not endothelium).
We can't use flu, the other really really dangerous one for kids, as an excuse because the vaccine is barely 50% effective, some years isn't effective at all due to unexpected genetic shifts, and the virus is going to be all over public spaces during flu season (that's a big reason why we want everyone to be vaccinated... it's everywhere and if you do actually get it and you're really young or old you have a very real chance, though death can happen regardless of age) so we aren't exactly providing any protection beyond the very, very standard sick waiting room and well waiting room separation that every conscientious pediatric practice has.
This denial of service is currently unjustifiable from a scientific perspective, and that makes it an emotional decision.. a type of decision which we are expressly supposed to avoid making as physicians.
We are supposed to be data-driven. Just because people want to make excuses for their behavior that sound legitimate on the surface but can't be backed up with hard science doesn't make it any less an excuse.
That child is more likely to be harmed by denial of service than anyone in that office is likely to be harmed by the family's vaccine noncompliance. That's a fact.
FIndIndependence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still though. This person's decision is putting other people at risk without their consent. I would say if a doctor's office wants to treat unvaccinated kids then they should have to inform all the other patients before hand and they would probably have to sign a waiver form so the office doesn't get sued. Maybe it's not the most data driven but about liability instead.
Joshua_Naterman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:08:57 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fear-mongering. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'm incredibly strongly pro-vaccine, but I am not ok with denying care without just cause.
These people don't walk around with blue and red flashing lights that spell "I don't get vaccinated." A single person in a practice at any one time is medically irrelevant, it's the population percentages that matter for herd immunity.
It's not about liability.
loveshercoffee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not to punish anyone for not having vaccinated their kid. It is for the safety of the other patients. The doctor's office is full of people who are being treated for all sorts of things - some of them have compromised immune systems. The last thing they want to do is bring someone into the waiting room who may have chickenpox or measles.
Joshua_Naterman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read my reply to another poster so that I don't have to clog this thread up with repeat posts.
[deleted] ยท 110 points ยท Posted at 13:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TBH i'd rather we arrive at a time where everyone is educated enough to make the rational decision.
Timwi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:36:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-vax movements aren't simply due to a lack of education. They are the result of complex political, societal and cognitive factors that affect everybody on both sides. It's a hard problem and we have no obvious solution to it.
richardsuckler69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No its literally due to not being educated enough to trust the actual 99% of doctors who say that you absolutely should be vaccinating. Nothing sociopolitical about it. Anti-vaxxers are literally afraid of modern medicine for no reason other than their weird metaphysical issues and their fear of autism, which isnt even that bad and comes with a lot of extra care and resources on its own from schools and public institutions. Peoples children have actually died because of antivaxxers. Do not make excuses for them. The obvious solution is educating and making it illegal.
Foxehh2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:45:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those statements 100% contradict each other.
richardsuckler69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You also think that transgender people are "trannies" and "mentally ill" so i dont think you know what youre talking about
Foxehh2 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:59:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They are.
Navi_SHUTTHEFUCKUP ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:19:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whilst that would definitely be preferable, I can't help but worry about the impact of the rise of anti-vax mentality that could cause diseases like measles to become widespread again, which is pretty terrifying. If making anti-vaxxing illegal is what it takes to keep widespread disease in check, that may be our only choice at this point...
mybustlinghedgerow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:59:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
History shows that plenty of humans will always be irrational. We can't wait for that to change, since it probably won't.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can always dream and aim for perfect though.
doom_bagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are at that point now in the US, but it clearly isn't happening.
iRomanian ยท 208 points ยท Posted at 12:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or we could withhold the equivalent level of modern medicine from the adults who aren't vaccinating their children.
AssAssIn46 ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:42:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry if I'm misreading but are you saying that we don't offer the same level of treatment to anti-vaxxers? Surely that would have an impact on herd immunity.
iRomanian ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:49:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My comment was very cynical and purposefully harsh towards anti-vaxxers. The vengeful person in me would love to say "You don't vax (help) your kids, we don't help you." But that would mean a kid could lose their parents, and the parent could even lose the opportunity to have their eyes open on their view of modern medicine. And of course your point on herd immunity.
Teh_Hammerer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a while yeah.
Ultimately however, a complete lack of medical support for this group would drive down the average age, and in turn weed them out. So give it a few decades, we may see them come to senses or dissipate.
WhiteChocolatey ยท 64 points ยท Posted at 12:56:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS is what I would like to see.
song_pond ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't work. They don't go to doctors - they go to naturopaths.
WhiteChocolatey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that. I actually work in an organic food store, I see all of the nuts in person on a day to day basis.
Here's the thing: I say if they want natural selection to run rampant, let it take them. Most of these whack jobs eventually "give in" to taking antibiotics, or being vaccinated, once they realize their life is in danger.
It's ridiculous seeing the mental state of some of these people.
Now, I'm not a huge fan of people who refuse to be skeptical at all about modern medicine. Even if it is perfectly fine, such an attitude denotes scientific discussion and improvement on methods used. But the grey, as you call them, are radical fools.
Julia_Kat ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:30:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is they fuck with herd immunity. There are people who cannot get vaccinations or have and their immune systems have been wiped out. We need to protect those people. Letting it run rampant hurts people who would be vaccinated under different circumstances.
WhiteChocolatey ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:39:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are not wrong. And come to think of it, it would be bad to deny the parents medical care because then these viruses would be free to mutate.
It wasn't a bad idea, you ask me.. I was thinking more on the "save medical attention for those who appreciate it" side of things... but I see now I was wrong.
Julia_Kat ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:46:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it was as easy as throw the parents under the bus and let them rot, I'd be all for it. We need to educate and maybe even mandate these vaccinations like other countries have done.
The kids of those parents deserve vaccinations too. I get sick when parents only get a wake-up call when their kids have suffered or died from a completely preventable disease. The parents are likely vaccinated themselves so it's a selfish action not to give their kids the same.
I could rant about this for awhile.
WhiteChocolatey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:30:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I despise government regulation in most forms, this may be one of the exceptions
I think a major issue is the fact that the education about vaccination currently in place is not adequate.
People blame the unknown when things go wrong, especially when they think they see correlation. Skyrocketing cancer rates? Plethoras of mental health issues in recent years, especially in young people? Why, it must be those mystery shots they gave my babies.
On an animal level I can see where they are coming from. On a thinking, scientific level, I am disgusted.
It appalls me when I see people asking basic questions about what goes into a vaccination being shamed and treated like idiots. To us, it's obvious why everyone should be protected. We need to explain to them (with actual evidence, like published papers and findings) what goes into the vaccinations, and why they aren't harmful.
Saying "it duzznt coz ottism, dur" (which, while true, I see a lot on this website) is no way to get everyone involved and on the same level. It also denotes scientific discussion and improvement in the medical field.
Thank you for the taking the time to talk some sense into me, by the way.
Cosmic_Shibe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:57:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree with you in that we should make efforts to actually explain to people what goes into vaccinations and to provide supporting papers and studies.
That being said I think the "it duzznt coz ottism, dur" responses that people are for two broad different reasons. The first being that it's just incomprehensible to them that someone could actually be that stupid. It's the same way you normally don't bother to argue with kids about about seemingly obvious things because it's not worth your time.
The people in those situations need to do what you suggested above rather than ridiculing the person asking questions. However, it can be difficult to actually want to do that because of the second reason: the people asking the questions don't want to learn. They're not everywhere but there are the kinds of people who will just cover their ears and scream that you're wrong no matter how much evidence show them to support vaccinations. I've encountered these people a few times and it is truly one of the most infuriating things ever. Coming into contact with them leaves a real bitter taste in your mouth and leaves you more likely to lump anyone asking questions about vaccines into the same category. It's these people that I truly wish we could just throw under the bus but like this comment chain has shown that's not really the best idea.
WhiteChocolatey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:09:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trust me: I know EXACTLY how insufferably ignorant the anti-vaxxers can be. Like I've said in previous comments, I'm exposed to them everyday at my job in an organic grocery. There are many who have no chance of learning otherwise, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. It's important that we make an effort regardless, because of what is at stake.
There are also many who are simply unsure and confused. I have personally convinced more than a few people of the safety after dispelling the belief that a vaccine is a "mystery shot". These people are worth educating, even if we cannot convince everyone.
Jaegster ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, let's murder people.
WhiteChocolatey ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look up the definition of murder.
Jaegster ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're possibly taking a life by defying them medical care that they need. That's murder bub. It makes you just as bad as the parents.
Alvezzi ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:05:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think you can do that it is a good game but you can do it all over the place and you can do it all over the place and you can do it all over the place and you can do it all over the place and you can do it all over the place and you can do it all over the place and you can do it all over the place and you can do it all over the place and you can do it all over the place and you can do it all over again
WhiteChocolatey ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:09:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh my.
Ima_AMA_AMA ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, there would be morons who believe they can cure themselves through crystal therapy
digitalblemish ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:46:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
iRomanian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let 'em have at it.
SaysReddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:10:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would never work in the US, we would just think it was cheaper overall.
OhMyTruth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-vaxxers would probably support that in principle (until they needed it of course).
DoomsdayRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Back to leeches it is, then.
jaredpls ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:58:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for people to stop believing in things that are wrong. That will never happen though.
marknutter ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like believing people should be forced to vaccinate themselves and their children?
Vonmule ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 13:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me preface by saying that I am absolutely pro vaccination. However, I can also see a potentially dangerous outcome of requiring vaccinations through legislation and I think to ignore it would be foolish.
Vaccinations as we know them are safe, yes, but who can say with certainty that they will continue to be. Add in the fact that the FDA has been known on occasion to rush the drug approval process at the expense of safety as well as the drug industry's propensity for lobbying and political pocket lining. Now you have a recipe for citizens forced to use medicine that could have significant potential for negative health effects all in the name of monetary gain.
I think legislation forcing people to use any medication sets a potentially dangerous precedent. I feel that a better route would be legislation that protects the right to deny those who haven't been vaccinated.
PM_ME_UR_GLIPGLOPS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very true
woadles ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:47:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very well put, completely agree.
Domcoppinger ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:32:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that it is a risky precedent however personally I would say that at this stage the risk is outweighed by the reward. Especially when the problem with denial instead is that ultimately it still leaves innocent children unvaccinated
Take_a_stan ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate the either you are an anti vaxxer or pro vaxxer. I believe certain vaccines should be given to all yes. As they have been proven to be effective, but do i need to be forced to take some flu vaccine every year? I haven't gotten the flu since I stopped getting that shit whilst watching all my co workers who did get it, get sick.
Or all these "epidemics" that pop up every couple of years. I'd rather take the risk of dying from whatever it is than get a vaccine that they forced through the FDA.
Domcoppinger ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:29:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it comes to talks of mandatory vaccines or of penalties for non-vaccination it is largely with regards to childhood standard vaccinations rather than various miscellaneous optional vaccinations.
Those are the vaccinations for the nasty stuff like measles, mumps, rubella, and other conditions which can be either lethal or leave a person with life altering permanent injury.
Wallace_II ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would Chicken Pox or the HPV vaccine be a requirement? I understand Chicken Pox can he deadly l, especially to the elderly, but I had it when I was a kid. That's how we "vaccinated" for it. Parents would make sure their kids got it by the age of 5ish
Domcoppinger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:39:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am talking very generally however I imagine so. From my understanding since there is little to no risk to vaccinating for it it makes sense to ensure that as close to 100% of children are immune rather than leaving it to (the admittedly high) chance that they will catch it while they are young. Furthermore this also creates herd immunity which protects those older people who are at risk from Shingles.
Wyvernz ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The greatest benefit of flu vaccines is on the population level - if enough people get the vaccine then the virus will not be able to propagate through the population (herd immunity). It mainly protects the very young and the very old, many of whom either can't get the vaccine (babies) or for who it isn't as effective (the very old).
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flu vaccines are important. In 1918 over 50 million people died of influenza. That's why we get them every year. The virus mutates so they use intrinsic testing to try and narrow down which strains are going around that year
surfer_ryan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not one way or another on this whole thing I see both sides here but I will say that the flu vaccine is the perfect example.
I have never once gotten the flu, ever. On the flip side my sister has gotten the flu every year since taking the vaccine.
Now do I believe that there is some sinister cabal running around keeping people sick, no. However I do believe that we don't know nearly as much as we think we do about vaccines and more importantly the inner workings of the human body.
ZeGentleman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually a terrible example for you to have popped out this statement. I'm not disagreeing with you per se, but the flu shot is a best educated guess each year. Whoever is in charge of deciding what strains go into the vaccine each year uses "science" to help them determine what mutations they think will occur before it makes its way to the US. So it's a guess. And some years it's much more successful than the others.
Things like MMR, Tdap, etc. don't change because the diseases themselves aren't changing.
surfer_ryan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You just said best guess which is proving my point at us not knowing everything. We don't know everything. For all we know the virus could have mutated and now we are not treating it but helping it. The problem lies in life it self, the virus or bacteria is constantly trying to survive like ourselves and is constantly evolving.
ZeGentleman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The flu shot is a best guess. I guess if you want to latch on to that one vaccine, then, yeah, I proved your point. Everything else we pretty much know how to build the vaccine to help stop the disease or decrease its severity. When was the last time you heard of someone who received an MMR vaccination getting measles, mumps, or rubella? It ain't changing.
lynx_and_nutmeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe you should look up what some of those diseases looks like and what they do to you.
Damn, we're really living in great times that some people would willingly refuse surefire prevention from some of the most horrible and deadly diseases that used to kill thousands of people out some some misplaced ideas of freedom.
DanielFrigginJackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The precedent is there. Just look at the law requiring schools and other public places to have an EPIPEN on the premises at all times. EPIPEN IS A BRAND. They tricked everyone into buying millions of their product through the law!
Vonmule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seems like apples vs oranges to me. On one hand you are forcing schools to buy a certain brand of drug in case of emergencies, on the other, you are requiring people to actually take the medication.
Totally_not_Patty_H ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to devils advocate here. Perhaps legislation would improve vaccines and the FDA process and "big pharma". Right now, they push drugs out knowing X% of the population will buy it. That percentage influences how much time they spend on it, and how long until they can take until the next thing. If they knew by law 99.5% of people were going to buy it, they know they will make more money even if it takes longer.
Also from a liability standpoint, if you know 20% of the population is going to take it, you may be ok with a .05% chance of something being wrong or under tested. If you know 99.5% of the population will take it, .05% would be way too high and you want that down to .002% before you release.
Wyvernz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evidence for this? The FDA is one of the most conservative bodies in the world in this area (see thalidomide as an example of how the US rejected a drug that was used throughout the rest of the world).
iampieman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Add in the fact that the FDA has been known on occasion to rush the drug approval process at the expense of safety as well as the drug industry's propensity for lobbying and political pocket lining."
Is there evidence of this? I am curious about how true this is as your comment sounds like the type anti vaxxers say all the time but they never provide references at all, however since you also agree with vaccinations I am hoping have some info about the FDA rushing the approval process at the expense of safety, as I really do want to know if this is true.
coyotebored83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dont know that you will find definitive proof. However there are a number of articles with doctors not completely on board. I am pro vaccination, however that doesnt mean I am willing to blindly stick any needle/meds in my daughter. I'm fine with the tried and true ones but sometimes opt out of the flu/unproven ones.
a few vaccines that were rushed- swine flu, ebola, zika
http://time.com/3070925/were-getting-closer-to-vaccines-and-drugs-for-ebola/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18014-swine-flu-myth-the-vaccine-isnt-safe-it-has-been-rushed-through-tests-and-the-last-time-there-was-a-swine-flu-scare-the-vaccine-hurt-people-why-take-the-risk-to-prevent-mild-flu/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gardasil-researcher-speaks-out/
Timwi ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, the "who can say with certainty" argument. Who can say with certainty that not legislating in this way is any better? Who can say with certainty that mobile phone radiation isn't giving you cancer? Who can say with certainty that anything we think we know is true?
The trick to being less wrong is to follow the best available judgment. Right now, the best we know, vaccinations are safe, beneficial, and children are better off getting vaccinated regardless of their parents' preference.
If you discover evidence to overturn the current best known judgment, bring it on. Until then, forced vaccinations are the best known course of action against abusive parents.
AfternoonMeshes ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dunno, the whole "but what if 'they' OVER-REGULATE then" argument is extremist and alarmist.
daanjderuiter ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:53:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It can get you in jail in Pakistan, so that's a start.
NeokratosRed ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:10:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already made illegal in Italy like, a month ago or so
RazorSanguineX ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:35:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean its not illegal in your country? Vaccimation is cumpulsory in where i live and everyone gets their shots as baby and during your time in primary school where the they will set up a mobile clinic.
helpinghat ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 12:54:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The parents should be charged for abuse. I'm not sure if any new laws are technically needed.
song_pond ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:51:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There would need to be something legislated that says this counts as child abuse. Otherwise parents could sue child services and win.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:14:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you mean the necessary vaccines that are given to kids at a young age, or are you talking about vaccines that you get annually?
August2_8x2 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:07:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll agree with getting polio,chicken pox, measles, etc vaccinations due to the requirement of education which puts children in contact with potentially sick kids, and interaction with certain illnesses can permanently damage a youth. I know someone who got polio when he was 7(79 now) because his mother felt it was unnecessary to get the vaccine.
BUT after those childhood vaccines up to age 18, it should be up to the individual. First, otherwise it's way too much big brother and I think it's wrong to infringe upon personal rights so much. It falls into a similar argument that has been goin on with abortion. What right /does/ the govt have to tell people what we can and can't do with our bodies?
Second not all people respond well to vaccination, sometimes it doesn't even work, and sometimes it makes the sickness vaccinated against last longer in certain cases.
Third, IF vaccination is mandatory, is insurance paying for it? Or will it be another Obamacare situation?
ZeGentleman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Insurance already pays for vaccinations (presumably all childhood vaccinations).
DarkenedBrightness ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both.
TheRealHooks ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:57:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What other parenting choices would you like to make illegal?
ZeGentleman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whatever choices you make for your child that can end up harming my child.
gOWLaxy ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid fucking parents not killing their kids is a great start, just stew on that one for a little while before you request more.
TheRealHooks ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa there, Captain Assumesalot.
Would you like to answer the innocuous question or be an angry, condescending prick some more?
RosneftTrump2020 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That seems like a spiteful wish. Why not just wish for eradicating those diseases?
Navi_SHUTTHEFUCKUP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course I'd like to see those diseases eradicated, but with the increase in people refusing to vaccinate their kids on questionable grounds those diseases are at risk of making a comeback. It may be overly cynical of me, but I feel that if something pretty drastic isn't done, these diseases will once again be rife and we've wrecked 100 years of progress towards eradication.
RosneftTrump2020 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. I'm just saying it's like saying "I wish more people would use turn signals" when the real problem is they cause accidents. Why not just hope for less accidents. Make sense?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need people to vaccinate to eradicate a disease. If you're interested the story of Donald Henderson and the eradication of smallpox is super interesting. There's a 'twiv' (this week in virology) podcast interview with him. Super interesting
HardlightCereal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In parts of australia you get more taxes if you don't vax your kids, and it's controversial.
jeepdave ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:09:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think government should be able to force you to put anything in your body. Fight me.
Tentrilix ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not vaccinating your children already has serious downsides in some countries. Not exactly punished by law, but it is something
Braakman ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:57:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few years back some parents got a fine and short prison sentence for not getting their kid a polio vaccine in Belgium. I posted it somewhere a long time ago with source, but can't be bothered to find it.
So in some places, it is punished by law.
Tentrilix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh nice. I didn't know that!
MagicWhalesdoExist ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:32:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I'm definitely pro-vaccine, taking away the choice to get vaccinated takes us down a unknown and potentially dark road. Not a good idea, especially as more and more of our freedoms are getting repressed
Valkonn ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is one of the freedoms I'm OK with surrendering.
DrPhineas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This fucking circlejerk, it's how you know when to stop scrolling
TiggersMyName ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is pretty dumb and spiteful. your wish for the world is focused on punishing people :/. there are still loads of kids that don't have access to vaccines, far more than those who do but don't take them. wish for every child to get vaccinations instead.
MintyTruffle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:59:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Parents should be able to do whatever the hell they want with their kid. You're talking about some baaaad juju because vaccines are okay now, but making them mandatory is legitimately not okay.
ZeGentleman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What about the children who legitimately cannot have a vaccine? That's the point of OP's comment. Herd immunity is a real (and awesome) thing and requires everyone who is medically able to get vaccinated does. At no point in time should a parenting choice be able to have a direct effect on another's child.
MintyTruffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just see a real problem with the goverment making it mandatory to inject things in our bodies. It begins as a humanitarian step forward, but it becomes a form of control. As a libertarian I cannot in good conscience agree with mandatory vaccination. I am vaccinated and happy to be so, but I would fight to the last breath a law that said everyone required them.
ZeGentleman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh, yeah, I completely agree with that. I kind of zoned in on the first part of your comment and completely neglected the second acting like they weren't definitely two linked phrases. I'm dumb.
MintyTruffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, you're not dumb. I will vaccinate any kids I have, but if I couldn't because of an immuno-deficiency, and then they caught something preventable because an ignorant parent I would be livid. It's just the mandatory part I cannot stand by.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That all sounds well and good as long as you are willing to say you 100% trust that not only is everyone in power currently both always scientifically accurate and benign but that will always be case.
Hell the heck no to that noise.
ThisisGabeB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhhh. While I definitely don't agree with the parents who aren't vaccinating children because of autism, I don't see long term forced government vaccination ending too well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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gOWLaxy ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idiots DO refuse, which is the problem.
SirEarlBigtitsXXVII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only are you putting your child at risk, you're putting other people at risk.
SurgBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am a physician.
I believe an HIV vaccine is just around the corner. Within 15 years, I believe HIV will be preventable through simple vaccines.
I also believe that most anti-vaxxers will fall off their high horses and change their tune when they are asked whether they want to prevent HIV for themselves, and their children.
The rest that don't.... they'll be the HIV carriers. It's that simple. And, yes... it is coming.
CentiMaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:04:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Authoritarianism is evil. Even your "well-intentioned" authoritarianism is evil.
You'll get much better results (& much more compliance) if you educate and persuade (and subsidize the costs of vaccines) rather than try to lock people in cages for living differently.
StickySnacks ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I too can't wait to have the government mandate what medical procedures everyone must go under. If you think they'd stop at just vaccinations, you're dreaming.
Testiclese ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:50:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How's the nuclear fallout shelter construction coming along, Bob? Did you buy all the cans and supplies? Stock up on ammo?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Typical reaction to this: "You must be anti-vax you tard!" Same people who think you should censor bigoted speech. They don't get that it's the principle that matters. But they live in a 2D world where they need to file you in the 'us' or 'them' category without taking the effort or responsibility to consider nuance.
StickySnacks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy gets it. It's not about pro vax or anti vax, it's about giving more control to the government to allow them to tell us what we need to do with our own bodies. Love people who think this is a crazy dystopian idea. This is not tin-foil hat territory. When things go into 'law', you bet your ass corporation or government will find ways to use it in their favor.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something tells me that the Supreme Court would have something to say about it. You really shouldn't force someone to have their kids vaccinated.
[deleted] ยท -19 points ยท Posted at 13:50:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hippiegunner1220 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:03:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm with ya! Both of my nieces suffered from febrile seizures for years after their MMR vaccinations. The CDC actual admits this in their fine print. It is also hereditary so she chose not to vaccinate her newborn son. Imprisoning someone over a hereditary medical reason so others feel better about who their children play with is moronic!
Navi_SHUTTHEFUCKUP ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:19:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did say in my original comment that medical exemptions would be an allowable reason not to vaccinate...
hippiegunner1220 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 14:28:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you're ok with children without vaccines because of medical purposes playing with other children? I'm just confused. You want people jailed for not vaccinating because why exactly?
Abell370 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:41:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it endangers people like your niece's son who can't be vaccinated due to medical reasons.
Valkonn ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:58:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People like you're nieces are accounted for in vaccination. Everyone who is medically able needs to be vaccinated in order to protect those incapable of being vaccinated. It's herd immunity.
If people who are not allergic stop getting vaccinated, then that creates an opportunity for a virus to begin spreading throughout a community. For a vaccination to be effective, almost all of society needs to be vaccinated. It's fine if there are a few holes in the defense, so long as they are spread so thin there is no chance of spreading.
Navi_SHUTTHEFUCKUP ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:47:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point is meant to address people who wilfully ignore the importance of vaccinations and instead choose to believe crackpot theories, and spread this misinformation around. If too many people are not vaccinated, the spread of the disease is no longer contained. I'm not suggesting every single child be vaccinated, as that just isn't viable - some children have immuno-deficiency and other such issues. But if the majority of the population are vaccinated, we won't have widespread outbreaks of entirely preventable diseases. It's so important, and yet it's very easy to assume those diseases just happen to be (mostly) eradicated. They're eradicated because of vaccinations.
Navi_SHUTTHEFUCKUP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well okay then
Jaert ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:19:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this feels very /r/hailcorporate
SlimandNone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And what if the government discreetly starts making lethal vaccinations as a form of population control?
even_keelnevel ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:29:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy fuck you tyrant. What happened to free will.
Fuck off
Navi_SHUTTHEFUCKUP ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:39:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hardly think it's tyranical. People are required by law to pay taxes to pay for infrastructure, education, healthcare (depending on where you live), for the greater good. No one likes to pay taxes but we have to do it. Why should vaccinations not be required by law in a similar vein? They were developed to protect people from dying en masse from entirely preventable diseases.
even_keelnevel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because forcing people to drug their baby's is not the same as paying taxes for public use items. Do you realize that many many people do not pay taxes?
If you're really passionate about this, the right way to do it is to increase awareness and education.
Demanding that someone vaccinate under penalty of law will only see more people not doing it.
It's complete garbage
rodeopenguin ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"My body, my right"
*some terms and conditions may apply
thelittleking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They already do. Kids in a school barely have any rights, cops trample over people's freedoms with impunity. That won't be anything new.
_samux_ ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:23:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is actually a bit mean. if you are vaccinated yourself, antivax cannot interfere with you. if you have some kind of immune deficiency it is unlikely that a phew novaxxers will endanger you more as you need to be careful anyway.
if you have a baby breast feeding will cover for 6 month and then vaccinate them asap and keep them away from large amount of people; it is unlikely that a one year old baby will miss that trip to Disneyland
for full disclosure I'm father of 2 and both are getting all mandatory and suggested vaccines
Valkonn ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrong. Vaccines aren't fool-proof. They work upwards of 99% efficacy but exposure to a disease may still result in sickness.
As such, it is imperative that everyone be vaccinated.
If I was the only person vaccinated against measles in the world, then it wouldn't matter because I would constantly be exposed to the rest of society and would, at one point, get measles. The anti-vax group is directly responsible for the measles outbreaks we have seen in several 1st world countries. Once you get a few thousand susceptible individuals, they give the virus opportunity to spread.
_samux_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:14:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
do.you have some proofs of your claims ?
Foxehh2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:49:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're wrong.
https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/protection/index.html
We're not there yet. People who don't get vaccines are slowing down immunity and actually killing people over time in poor countries. All because they read a Facebook post.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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ZeGentleman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why are you not getting your children vaccinated? Are you uneducated on the subject matter and it's the hip thing to do or do you not trust your educated physician more than the "research" you've done on vaccination?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:39:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:27:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PeaceLoveTofu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
May I please see your sources on the "greatly increases the risk of autism"? Thank you.
Dead-A-Chek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're an idiot
gwoz8881 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:35:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I can't wait until it's illegal to vaccinate your kids! Oh wait, do I have that backwards...
JobDestroyer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what should the punishment be for parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids? What should the punishment be for kids who refuse to be vaccinated?
Froufrousse ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be a "liberal"
marknutter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, he might be a "leftist"
jokemon ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:19:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the law shouldn't tell parents how to raise their kids. What i vaccines do cause autism?
Dale1878 ยท 214 points ยท Posted at 11:03:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
theelezra ยท 79 points ยท Posted at 13:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets not get crazy friend...
MrMojoRisin1222 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:10:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It could happen, we would just have to kill a bunch of people that's all.
meme-com-poop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:37:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
and get rid of all the religions.
surfer_ryan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we can put all the religious people in some sort of tolerance camp...
InSpir_e ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After seeing a lot of comments about contacts with aliens, I'm curious to know how the world would react if it really happened. Both are actually "unthinkable" now by a lot of people (aliens by "religious", and peace by "others") but seing another form of life might unite us... or people will just turn crazy and we'll fight even more.
Note: I quote "others" because I can't think of the right English word for it.
sword4raven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Internal fights aren't all bad though. But yes, being on the brink of devastation might allow a dictator to grasp full control preventing any true internal fights and things other than true obedience. Especially with surveillance getting so good.
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the comic the Watchmen (spoiler) it's ultimate resolution to unifying the world mid Cold War was the threat of a greater alien power (which leveled NYC). Honestly if aliens were proven to be a threat to humans, or at least able to compete, I could see a sort of defacto peace between humans.
Ghost_rider117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds nice, but it takes one deviant out of 7+ billion to disrupt that
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/milliondollarextreme we really out there
htmlcoderexe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read like many different posts and still unable to determine the political leaning of that subreddit. What is that place?
Zaldun ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace, probably impossible. It's human nature to have wars and so on, no matter how far back you look i doubt you can find any point in time where it has been peace. (Other then when no one knew there where people to fight)
BeTiWu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:00:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no hardcoded human nature. And even if there were, look at what we did to the rest of nature.
milkywaycliff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:07:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just not really a stable situation unfortunately. Let's say in the future every country would want peace, and cuts down on army expenses. In that situation only a single fool that gathers enough people is able to overrun other countries quite easily. Thus, armies are needed to circumvent possible disruptions of the status quo. And with every country having a substantial army, it is hard to trust each other.
BeTiWu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd have to get rid of motivations for overrunning other countries. Financial and political power have to be spread out to the people so they are impossible to be controlled and abused.
Bludgeonedkittens ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:23:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism is a thing friend.
Rather_Unfortunate ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depends how you define a war, really, but I'm of the opinion that the concept of open war between nation states is at least quite likely to be relegated to the dustbin of history by the end of the century. There's just so much to lose from them.
SOBWAW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be easy if we get a couple people on mars. There would be world peace on that world! Sure it would only be two people. But it would be peaceful, right??
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baby steps first...
_AlreadyTaken_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get rid of all the people and that could be achievable
MelMes85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can never cure sociopathy.
jarfil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get it... you want to be immortal.
Bumaye94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace means peace with the existing conditions. I don't want peace with ISIS. Hell, I don't even want peace with Nestlรฉ.
leftcoast-usa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Will whirled peas do?
iamdink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The basketball player?
_riotingpacifist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not even on first page, faith in humanity destroyed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pooh9911 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disagreement is fine, but not the violence.
youabsolutepancake ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED:Don't blow yourselves up
(2750 XP)out_for_blood ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 13:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if it's been said but a cure for AIDS and figuring out how to kill antibiotic resistant gonorhea. I'm 22 and I want free love to happen again dammit
DanielFrigginJackson ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
STDs are a government conspiracy to stop the hippies.
sciencebro ยท 98 points ยท Posted at 13:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthcare for everyone and a decent standard of living for all.
severed13 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide Canada pls
[deleted] ยท 71 points ยท Posted at 13:50:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GeckoGary ยท 60 points ยท Posted at 14:09:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me too bud
richardsuckler69 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:14:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can i have a tldr whats gping on?
ELFAHBEHT_SOOP ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:29:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/GeckoGary posted to /r/circlejerk a bunch of times, each time hitting the top of the subreddit. Even hitting the top of /r/all. The mods of /r/circlejerk decided that they're admins now and they banned him for vote manipulation, which usually means using bots to get a ton of upvotes. This is something the mods can't be completely sure about and the admins never contacted them to ban him.
So people are mad now because it was a good joke regardless.
funnystuff97 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't find any mod post. When did the circlejerk mods get sticks up their asses? I thought the whole point of that sub was satirical fun, anyway.
ELFAHBEHT_SOOP ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:46:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever since they started taking it seriously. Reddit mods can get a bit too serious sometimes because they're too close to the issue. Can't see the forest through the trees and whatnot. I'll try finding a post but they probably deleted it.
Here it is: https://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/6s3e3b/if_this_post_gets_10000_upvote_i_will_unban
richardsuckler69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see, thanks man
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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richardsuckler69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instructions unclear, have cancer now
access547 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully we'll find a cure for that in our life times
kisdee ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 13:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see full-dive VR achieved in my lifetime.
Rhythmiclericat ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:12:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here, I want the dream VR that's been touched on by things like Sword Art Online, or at least something close.
uniquecannon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually, go further. The full dive capabilities of Accel World. It takes place decades after SAO, so the technology is even better.
Lupin1997 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:05:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes omg that's my biggest fear, full dive VR comes out the day I die or am too old to use itโฆ
EntertainmentBreeze ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:55:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same. Basically the holo-dec from Star Trek. Imagine playing Naughty Dog quality narrative games but completely immersed like that. ๐ซ๐ซ๐ซ
SAOkirito1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:47:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, the only question is which system to create. The nervegear is capable of being turned into a death trap, but is more immersive. Amuspheres are almost completely safe, but aren't nearly as powerful or immersive. Medicuboid takes up an entire room, in addition to that, while system itself isn't bad, if you're using one then you are probably dying of a terminal illness. Soul translator is completely indistinguishable from reality, but its larger than the medicuboid, more expensive, and I'm a little skeptical of a device that could overwrite the data of my soul, and could be used to erase my memories, or trap me in a simulation where time moves faster allowing me to be impressed for years or even centuries before anyone even notices that I'm gone. Plus there are like no games for the soul translator.
jacobspartan1992 ยท 35 points ยท Posted at 13:56:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A basic level of dignity and comfort ensured for all who come into this world. Universal Basic Assistance.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:45 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine how many kids the Africans will make when they no longer have to kill eachother for food.
[deleted] ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 15:45:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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elkabongg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the cure for this is the Governors Association hiring an independent outside firm to develop an algorithm that divided state legislative and Congressional districts based on one sole criterion: Number of registered voters, ignoring race, gender, political affiliation, age, or any other identifying factor.
2dark4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only problem with this approach is that ignoring minorities makes their vote essentially not count. There is a Video explaining this on youtube somewhere.
elkabongg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:45:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gerrymandering does this on purpose, and is actually racist. A program that is race blind, going solely by population is not racist. Minorities may/will almost certainly have an advantage in highly populated areas.
Karmoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Makes me happy to see someone else wrote this.
trenknat ยท 256 points ยท Posted at 11:23:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fair, efficient and effective system to allocate resources (i.e. an alternative to or mix of capitalism/socialism/communism) that allows us to view the fact that robots will be taking over many jobs as a positive development.
_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 12:41:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
can it ever be fair if resources are being "allocated" though? Who is this power above us that allocates resources?
DrarenThiralas ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 13:05:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resources are going to be allocated anyway. But the allocation system can either be emergent (capitalism), with allocation being decided on a case-to-case basis based on personal interest, or it can be controlled based on the needs of the community (socializm). There can also be different combinations of those.
Thrownaway_4_2_day ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 08:21:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fantastic answers given by silly screen names is my purview. Thanks.
_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
allocated implies that someone is doing the allocating though.
DrarenThiralas ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:17:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In case of capitalism, this is kind of true. By instituting capitalism, we are indirectly doing the allocating.
_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:18:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I give you resources it's because there's an exchange.
We are allocating each other resources in an exchange.
DrarenThiralas ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:24:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not quite what I meant.
Even if the government does not regulate resource distribution at all, resources are going to be distributed in a certain, predictable way. By continuing to not regulate, the government is indirectly responsible for this distribution.
That's essentially resource allocation.
radred609 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because it's distributed via state funded currency, doesn't mean it's not distributed.
thesunmustdie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rights (such as the right to own property) is determined by society.
You can have resources that are illegal to possess โ as decided by law โ and we're justified in taking those away. You'd agree with that, wouldn't you?
rodeopenguin ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 14:52:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is impossible for a socialist system to allocate resources based on the needs of the community. This is because in socialism prices do not exist to balance supply with demand. Also it is impossible for a central "allocator" to know what demand is for anything since it cannot read peoples minds or know thier value scales.
Xavienth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's pretty easy to look at supply and see that it is dwindling, then produce more.
rodeopenguin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Economist F. A. Hayek calls your hubris "the pretense of knowledge".
I suggest reading a book called "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth" by Ludwig Von Mises.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Citing Hayek is a pretty good way to lose any rhetorical credibility lol
rodeopenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why, because genius is intimidating?
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:16:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol
Xavienth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
His book, from the little I skimmed, seems to focus on the autocratic distribution of resources and setting of prices. There are other types of socialism. For example, there is socialism where the corporations and factories are owned by the workers themselves or by a democratically elected leader, elected by the workers of the organization. In such a system there is little disconnect between what the public wants and what the public needs, as the distribution is handled by the public itself.
rodeopenguin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:14:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All socialism involves the autocratic distribution of resources.
And there is no way that anyone other than yourself can know your value scales. When you are standing in the isle trying to decide whether your are in the mood for Pepsi or Coke, no one besides yourself, not even you're own mother, can determine your value scales.
Xavienth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All socialism entails is that the workers own the means of production (factories, companies, etc.)
There are many kinds of socialism, and not all include autocratic distribution of resources.
We don't need to know how much people value things if we know how much in abundance we are of those things. If I have one hundred cookies in day one, and in day two I have zero cookies, I bake more cookies. Come day three, if I still have zero cookies, I should bake more cookies than I did on day two. I can track demand by measuring the production against the storage. Sure this can amount to shortages, but capitalism also has shortages, and also spikes in demand can often be predicted. For example, heart-shaped chocolate demand is going to increase on Valentine's Day.
EDIT: Changed fascism to socialism, derp.
rodeopenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is ridiculous. You can't know what things people want and in what way and in what quantities and compared to what without the people themselves expending their own resources and making sacrifices.
In Montana it's more efficient to have a house built in Illinois and then shipped than it is to build a house on site with a construction crew. How do we know this? Because we have prices arrived at by the free exchange of privately owned goods.
If meeting the people's needs is so easy in socialism then why can't Venezuela provide one of the most predictable products to it's people; toilet paper?
Xavienth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To take the example of toilet paper in Venezuela you gave, it's pretty easy to tell that people want toilet paper, else there wouldn't be a shortage. Do people want golden wristwatches? If we produce some and we still have them after several days, then no.
We can't know this in capitalism either. People either buy or don't buy your product. If you change your product and more people buy, then you know people like the product that way. The same can be said for a socialist system. If more people take your item after a change, they like it more that way.
If supply is too low to meet demand by the end of the day, then supply is too low. If you continually have more of an item than the previous day, then supply is too high.
The Law of Value states that the Illinois house is cheaper to manufacture because less effort goes into it. By simply measuring the effort that goes into manufacturing, you can figure out the most efficient way of going about housing in Montana.
Demand is high and supply is low. I cannot comment on why supply is low because there are probably a number of reasons.
rodeopenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But people will take as many golden wristwatches will be given. If this is how your society decides to allocate resources than it will spend it's time making golden wristwatches instead of making tires or dental equipment.
Yes, we do. It's called supply and demand. It's decentralized knowledge which no one person can know.
This is a tautology. Demand is infinite if the price is zero. Is your utopia gonna make infinite amounts of infinite products and services? If not, then how will your utopia decide which products to make and in what quantities? And don't say demand because demand is infinite...
This is the thoroughly debunked labor theory of value. Which is more valuable to a man dying of thirst, a bottle of water or a diamond? Apparently, the diamond because it takes more man hours to dig up a diamond than to stick a bottle under a spring.... Hell, your theory is debunked by the house example. It takes more man hours to build a house and then ship it than to build a house without shipping it, obviously. But it's more economical to ship the house to Montana because labor in Montana is more urgently needed for ranching and farming, not building when that can be outsourced.
You need some economic literacy before we can talk any more. I recommend Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt, the most popular economics book ever written.
Xavienth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Demand cannot be infinite from a finite amount of people who can consume a finite amount of things.
EDIT: Also, people won't take as many golden wristwatches as given, because the perceived value drops below what is necessary for people to want them. If I give you a tv remote, what are you going to do with it? You have no use for it, you have a remote already. You'll just reject the remote.
rodeopenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's presumed infinite because everything has a cost, i.e. everything is scarce. Supply and demand is the most basic law of economics, you should learn it before crafting a utopian society.
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rodeopenguin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A worker owned company in a capitalist system isn't socialism; it's still capitalism.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rodeopenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You didn't advocate anything. You just made a statement.
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rodeopenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So explain what socialism really is, since every socialist has a different conception of "true socialism".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rodeopenguin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:55:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If "the workers" (whatever that means) owns the means of production, exchange, and distribution (whatever that means) than there can be no real prices. Since prices are are arrived at by competing supply and demand.
Also, your definition necessitates an autocratic distributor of resources.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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rodeopenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There you go. You just admitted autocratic distribution of resources is necessary in socialism. How will the people "democratically" decide where resources go? Are they going to vote every .002 seconds on where every resource gets moved to despite having no knowledge of the facts? No, they will elect a person or persons to do that. Autocratic.
supply and demand are LAWS of economics. They act whether you believe they exist or not. You might as well suggest jumping off a building and flapping your arms since under socialism there is no need for gravity.
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rodeopenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are glossing over important problems that need to be solved. Like that, a central planner cannot know what resources are needed for what ends. To take your example:
You are glossing over how the central planner knows that only a third is needed. Do they ask? And if they are asked then everyone will just ask for as much wheat as possible without regard for how much is available or as a competition against other goods that they might want.
For example: A town sits on 1000 acres and has 1000 citizens, the central planner asks "how many acres do you need?", every citizen makes the case that it is absolutely necessary that they have 100 acres to survive or produce. This is impossible since there are only 1000 acres, so the planner must allocate the land arbitrarily by more or less guessing. This even accepts the idea that the planners are angels with no corruption or self-interest of their own.
All this to replace money and prices which efficiently balance supply and demand as is.
If your utopia were possible then why can't Venezuela provide toilet paper, a completely predictable good? Why can't North Korea feed its people? North Korea doesn't even have human rights to worry about, can't it just tell people to make more food?
rodeopenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth for a thorough explanation about why prices are important and why socialism cannot provide real prices.
PunksPrettyMuchDead ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 15:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have more empty houses than homeless people, and more food thrown out than hungry people. Something is fucked here, and we can do better than the Invisible Hand.
Dicecard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Food is mostly thrown away because the government doesn't allow companies to submit this food to charity or for the homeless. Not the market's fault
PunksPrettyMuchDead ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:28:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:31:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see homeless people everywhere, yet I rarely see empty houses.
Where are these houses?
SolarBaron ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is if you take away the incentive structure there are no empty houses and even more homeless. (Hint hint the extra houses and extra food have something to do with the invisible hand)
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:07:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CyberianSun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you ever tried to manage anything when everyone has different ideas and zero authority to implement anything?
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:34:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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CyberianSun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:39:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that you've essentially created a companies board of directors right?
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CyberianSun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:48:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If its a publicly traded company with shareholders then yes, yes it is. What you want is leadership without actual leadership and that works about as well as it sounds. Flat organizational structures rarely ever work, and if they do its because they've got 1 person at the top steering the whole damn ship.
noble-random ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:57:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reminds me of my encounter with anarchists he seems to not like.
"We are anarchists and we want to abolish the state!"
"What? No police to protect your neighborhood? And no laws and stuffs?"
"Whoa wait a minute. We will have this council and that council to have safe streets and this and that to have some kind of order."
"You do realize that you've essentially created a state right?"
_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because everyone is dead
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LemonG34R ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:20:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when left unity is achieved and communism established but the posadists set off the nukes anyway
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LemonG34R ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:52:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
have you met accelerationists
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:59:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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LemonG34R ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao
pikk ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sentient AI.
noble-random ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds like a dictatorship to me
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dictatorship isn't inherently bad, just like democracy isn't inherently good.
gmiller18 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:11:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy gets it...
sword4raven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I won't need it to be fair, but a working system that guarantees no easily accessible resources are held back just because of greed. And that everyone gets a fairly liveable place to stay. An alternative resource for additional content that either cannot be made accessible for all or isn't desired by all. Which could be earned through merits or trading much like today.
_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic.
sword4raven ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The true irony is in how you view it as ironic.
No_Usernames_Left ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it would be great to see a kind of market socialism where companies are owned and directed by the workers, either by voting on company decisions or by voting on management/directors.
this way, the people living with the decisions of the companies are the ones making those decisions. a worker directed company would choose to use technology as an aid to the workforce rather than something that will leave a good chunk of them unemployed.
it's amazing to me how we drop the idea of democracy when we enter the workplace.
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:37:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're implying democracy, rule of the people, works - it doesn't. It is and always has been rule of the rich and powerful over the people. Only way out I can see (and very much agree with you) is dividing that wealth and power over more people. We just haven't found a way to do that without bloodshed, though.
No_Usernames_Left ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you're definitely correct, but democracy has become the rule of the rich as a direct result of the tremendous inequality caused, in large part, by the hierarchical way that most companies and corporations are organized. the few people at the top are able to buy governments and influence society in order to retain their power. i believe that with a serious attempt at a government subsidized worker cooperative sector, we can start reversing that inequality without bloodshed. as the cooperative sector grows, more and more people will want to work in those types or organizations rather than in traditional capitalist businesses. again, this will require massive support from the government.
i know it's a very reformist solution but i've struggled to come up with a better option.
pm_me_your_squat_bro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:33:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about putting an upper limit on wealth and income? If you own, say 30 million in assets, you, your wife and underage children cannot aquire more. It's not like hoarding and concentrating wealth leads to a healthier society, is it?
In the same way, a manager getting paid 1000x (in whatever form) what the worker that made his wealth gets is not just. Isn't e.g. 50 times enough? That way, a single week would get you what others have to work a whole year for. Nobody "needs" a 50million home or Ferrari 250 GTO or a Gulfstream private jet. It's obscene and doesn't make anyone more happy. Actually, beyond 100k/year, happiness doesn't rise. Only wealth inequallity does.
Social revolution through tax reforms would be an awesome goal. Sadly, we'll see a man on Mars before we figure that shit out without dusting off the guillotine again.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I agree that it would be great to see that happen I feel like no matter what as long as one group has more (even slightly more) resources than any other group people will argue or fight over it even if they themselves have enough to live well. I have a history degree so I am kind of pessimistic :(
trenknat ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a concept that borders the impossible, I fully agree. That is why I say I would love to see it achieved.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:08:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. I hope it happens too.
vicariousveitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Basic Income scene would be a good first step.
trenknat ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:01:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps. It will be interesting to see how the first basic income schemes work out and how they influence people's behaviour.
MR_SHITLORD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Limiting the amount of money the top x% can have would be a nice step too.
I don't think it's a good idea for few people to be able to have too much power. No matter how unfair it sounds to tax them more.
In an ideal world, money shouldn't give you power unless it exactly correlates to your contributions to humanity. So as long as you can make money by doing bad, it's not a good system.
For example: people who make money by brainwashing people, then they get even more money to brainwash even more people and you get politics.
Then there's the snake oil salesmen, cheaters, loophole finders, tax evaders and the ones who do plain illegal things
showyerbewbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Viewing it as a positive development will always be intrinsically tied to whichever side of the business you're on. If you're the owner, then it's a positive development allowing you to reduce costs. If you're the employee, then it's a negative in that it threatens your/coworkers livlihoods.
DibblerTB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would put it differently: "That we have an economy where the goal is to provide for the people (in general, and my people in particular)".
I don't think we can ever agree on "fair", exactly. More important is that the goal of the economy is to provide for people, not enrich some group or be ideologically determined to be this or that.
Coming out of our times of globalization and automation with a people-friendly economy (and government) would be a great achievement. It is so easy to think of dystopias where multinational companies govern in a new world of serfdom.
mrBiscuit97 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism is as fair as it gets . You get for what you work for . Most people in the world have the physical and mental capacities to support themselves and even another family member with a disability or what not . The ratio of healthy v unhealthy in terms of being able to produce value is very positive . The problem is people can't think critically and realize the problem roots from family values . I.e it doesn't matter how much we are taxed to help the poor most of them are poor because of their inherently bad choices , and a lot of governments like to pander to this behavior because it keeps them in power . This is why socialism and communism have never worked and will never work
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't capitalism all those things, well at least efficient and effective?
Hypothetical question, let's say that in the future a fair efficient and effective system replaced the current one, people being people wouldn't most of them think it was unfair?
Robots taking over jobs directly leads to a leisure economy under capitalism, predicted by several economists including Keynes. Yet people still view it as a problem.
iamyourgyro ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:26:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not really true. Robots taking over the jobs leads to mass unemployment while only those who own the robots receive the benefits under capitalism. If the benefits of the robots' work goes to anyone other than the owners, you aren't describing capitalism.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:33:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Could you please cite that. Even the most pessimistic econ papers I've read do not predict mass unemployment.
Edit: Also, who do you think the owners are? In the US it's 68% of the population!
Furthermore, because of Baumol's cost disease (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baumol%27s_cost_disease) benefits flow to non owners automatically under capitalism!
Xavienth ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A) Baumol's cost disease assumes that workers of jobs with lower wages can find work with higher wages. With automation, jobs stop existing. That's what automation is. Of course, we're a long ways off from automating everything, but when we do, ownership of the robots doesn't suddenly change under capitalism. That means 100% unemployment.
B) Unemployment is highly tied to economic depression. Note the rises in unemployment on this graph. They all correspond with depressions/recessions: The Depression of the 1890s, The Great Depression, "Reagan's Recession", and 2008. A decrease in unemployment is often indicative of the end of a recession/depression. Why do you think Roosevelt started infrastructure projects all over the US in the 30s? To increase employment and therefore get them out of a recession.
EDIT: Tying automation to unemployment is rather easy to do without the use of research papers too, if you use philosophy.
Humans perform labour for money.
Robots perform labour for less money than humans.
Automation will cover every career sometime in the future.
Employers want to spend the minimum amount of money possible.
If employers want to spend the minimum amount of money possible, they will choose robots over humans for every job.
Therefore, humans will lose jobs to automation with no other career to choose.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A) Why is it that when the textile industry was heavily automated the owners of the capital lost so much money? Your 1st order thinking would imply that all of the profit in the industry just went straight to them.
B) Yes, unemployment can rise. But your argument is that automation will cause the worst depression ever? I highly doubt it, and I'd be willing to make a longbets.org bet with you on the subject. Unemployment will not exceed 33% in the US over then next 20 years.
Re: Your edit) This is just wrong. That's why I'm asking for a research paper. You don't understand the subject. You assume that prices are fixed. You think that absolute advantage is all that matters when in reality comparative advantage is all that matters. See this post for (relative) laymen by Krugman: http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/ricardo.htm
There's a reason that the consensus of economists is against you, I suggest you try to understand it.
Xavienth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:23:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True. I can only find papers that imply automation causes unemployment, but none that outright say it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly I'd be pretty surprised to find any papers that showed that it would cause permanent unemployment. Technological shocks causing temporary departure from full employment, is debated but not unheard of. Permanent displacement of workers in general I would be surprised to find even implied.
iamyourgyro ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:41:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism sees the profits of capital (in this case, robots) go to the owners of the capital. I don't have to cite it, that's literally the axiomatic definition of the system. Under capitalism, the only people who get paid for not working are the owners. And sort of leisure economy that robots being about will have to be enabled by elements of other economic models.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The part that requires a citation is that massive unemployment will happen. You're in disagreement with the scientific consensus on that one.
Also, you haven't dealt with the fact that in the US 68% of the population are owners of capital...
beachflow ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:26:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But capital owners don't keep profits forever. They either spend it, lend it, or invest it. Sooner or later that money gets to people that don't own capital and they benefit as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That, and capital owners are in competition with each other. The textile industry was automated. Owners of textile capital did very, very badly!
starm4nn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:51:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do they get the money without a job?
beachflow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A job would be the most obvious route. Capitalists do employ labor using their profits, either directly with their business or other things they buy. But there are other ways to feel the benefits, such as lower cost goods. Another way of course would be that profit is taxed and tax revenue is spent on things that benefit the public.
Note that most non-capital owners today live vastly better lives than non-capital owners of a few hundred years ago, despite not directly collecting the profit of capital.
MR_SHITLORD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what jobs?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A) It's trivially extensible to capital.
B) Currently unemployment is 4%, if you want to claim all employment will disappear please have an actual citation, not "but muh automation". Actual papers with abstracts please, not some guys blog post.
trenknat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:12:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a very tough question. Perhaps capitalism along with some elements of socialism is the best we have done so far.
And yes, perhaps people will always find any system unfair, but it might be possible to create a system that can address this issue, too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be concerning, as it's indistinguishable from a system in which everyone is too scared to say it isn't fair.
trenknat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:57:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only if you assume that intimidation or brainwashing is the only way to address this issue. Education in the broadest sense is a viable alternative, despite being very, very difficult to put into practice. This is why I said earlier that this would border on the impossible.
adwarkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big matter of "unfair" is that on current terms we cannot even hope to achieve "fair" - either we're getting unfair on that there is unequal distribution, or that with equal distribution there are people who do hard work like neurosurgeon gets just as much as common cashier, effectively killing off incentive of getting into harder professions, out of clear passion and calling.
So yeah here comes the future robots taking over the jobs. Now we have other set of problems to solve and questions to answer. How would distribution of resources work, how would it work in grand international scheme, what effects would have such situation have on people. Also we would need to manage though transition period which could be pretty damn shaky. It is easy to see problems with that, since we'd need change of a kind that would require a major change of whole economic system also in laws, that wouldn't be just few quick fixes on what is currently.
Simiautohatemachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree it would be a challenge to address but not impossible. In order to "fairly" compensate individuals for their contribution to society we would first need to establish a scientifically tiered system that weighs many factors of all professions such as physical labor, technicality, environmental exposure, and statistical average one can work in the profession over their life span. We would then need to provide a standardized general education to all children. Followed by paid specialized training for the field in which the individual chooses. In order to stay in the course, one would be required to maintain a predetermined GPA as well as attendance record. We should also allow a certain amount of retraining if the individual later decides to change careers or if a particular career sector is no longer needed. At times we would have to adjust compensation based on work force need, not once the individual is in the workforce but at the time they are deciding on the field of study to peruse. If an industry is in less demand or is becoming obsolete we could implement incentives to retrain and relocate current workers where needed.
The only question that remains is who or what would gather and analyze the data necessary to make these decisions. Maybe it could be left to democratic voting by the population. Possibly we could allow the education system that is training and teaching us to make recommendations based off of statistical data and predictive methods to assemble the recommendations that we then vote on. This part I'm not sure of but I do think some form of this is possible and desirable. The current system is vulnerable to manipulation and is responsible for the large disparity between rich and poor. Wealth inequality doesn't just hurt the least fortunate of us. It also hurts the overall production of the economy. Not only are the poor being mistreated but most of the work force is being underutilized and wasted.
๐๏ธ cath91 ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 11:00:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd personally want to see humans on Mars.
JPQed ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea becoming a interplanetary species is what I want to see.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:10:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MatloxES ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, with my expirences Comcast has never succeded in giving me good service.
LegitOryx ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 15:52:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George RR Martin finishing his books
General_GTFO ยท 27 points ยท Posted at 13:42:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing Depression
jeffreywls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Depression can be managed but not cured, until we can understand and change its genetic basis.
General_GTFO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well duh. That's why I said I want to see it cured.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's curable already in the vast majority of cases. Effective therapeutic interventions is your best bet.
General_GTFO ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I should add "affordably" to that.
And no, technically that's not curing; it's treating.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing or treating can lead to the same outcome. Complete reversal of condition and/or complete alleviation of symptoms. And this is achievable through therapeutic intervention.
General_GTFO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Until you stop treatment. Thereby meaning the condition was not cured.
And again, even that's only achievable if you can afford that therapeutic intervention.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people recover fully from depression with treatment, and never have another episode again. But yes cost can be an issue.
cainbackisdry ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:25:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source?
ifandbut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see a source on that as well /u/UndercoverPatriot because I'm with /u/General_GTFO and that I do ok-ish while on treatment and taking the drugs, but would likely fall back into the pit if I stop.
General_GTFO ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:44:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With continual treatment. That's the part I'm arguing, man. If you stop, shit gets fucked again. I took antidepressants for a while and they worked a bit. Then I couldn't afford them anymore and I went back to wishing I wouldn't wake up in the mornings...
Comrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are a variety of treatments for depression. What doesn't work for one person may work for another, and vice versa. I used to be severely depressed. Therapy and medication didn't work for me. I've since made a full recovery. For some people, it is completely possible to help yourself.
On the flip side, I know people who have been on medication for years and cannot function properly without it.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why I am advocating for real treatment, which is therapeutic. CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) or ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) are both effective, reliable and safe treatment of major clinical depression, and has lasting effects. Many can be cured completely. Drugs are a temporary solution, it's a band aid fix and should not stand alone without therapy. If you can only choose either or, therapy is what you should go for. But I'm sorry you feel this way, hope you manage to find a solution soon.
General_GTFO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Talking to someone isn't going to make brain chemicals work right.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it absolutely can. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding in how depression, and by extension therapy, works. Your mind, your brain chemicals and your bodily functions are intricately linked. External stimuli, or stressors, which are often the causal event of depression such as a breakup, loss of a loved one, traumatic experiences, finanical hardships etc, causes emotional and mental stress. Normally, people rebound from these events with time and processing at their own pace, but it also happens that the process gets stuck. Your body is trapped in a perpetual state of stress, and certain mental functions that are the root cause of this emotional stress repeat in perpetuity, which causes the depressive state. It doesn't necessarily have to be external, sometimes theres no causal event, but the internal mental processes are the same. This constant mental and emotional stress is actively causing your brain chemicals as well as hormonal functions to become abnormal, and your thinking becomes warped as a result. Engaging in thinking that perpetuates the state of stress, such as excessive rumination, self blaming, catastrophic thinking, black and white thinking, obsessive introspection and others is what is perpetuating the depressive state. It's a negative spiral that sometimes can not be broken without professional help. It's a very physically unhealthy state to be in. That is what clinical depression is. And that is why therapy is so effective in treatment, because it teaches you not only to become aware of these processes, but also how to reverse them. Once the constant source of emotional arousal is removed, whether it primarily is external or internal, the stress subsides, sleep and restorative processes improve, and normal brain chemistry and hormonal activity follows.
ifandbut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? Because everything I read is that depression never really goes away, you just get better at dealing with it and it becomes less intense.
saddingtonbear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah honestly depression feels like a part of my personality at this point
ifandbut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:36 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ya, and I hate it.
Comrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to be depressed. I am not anymore. Honestly, at times, it's difficult to remember how depressed I was. My mindset has completely changed. Full recovery IS possible.
ifandbut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:22 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well from my research it seems like you are, sadly, the exception to the rule.
How long did it take for you to get "cured"?
Comrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:54 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually there was a study a couple years back that found that some teens grow out of depression/anxiety. It happens. I know people who grew out of it.
It took several months, personal growth, realizations, positive thoughts, etc. It wasn't an instant switch. My state of my mind changed slowly. But I got there. And I'm not depressed anymore. I'm happy and I love my life.
Certainly there are a lot of people who manage to beat depression with the help of the right therapies and medication. Depression is completely treatable.
leadpainter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:47:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curable and treatable are very different things
caffeintweek ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 12:30:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Man marries Robot of his dreams"
CVboomboxx ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:40:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm soon marrying the pillow of my dreams, does that count?
PracticallyANurse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:37:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robot marries pillow of dreams.
Pretty sure that's been done actually
bronathan261 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:31:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
space colonization, world peace
[deleted] ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 12:13:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A moon colony.
RaisedByNinjas74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But bro Mars...??
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:07:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baby steps, we'll get there.
panmaya ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 13:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Before I die, I want to know if aliens exist.
LazyCocoa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:39:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's almost undeniable that aliens exist, but I would really like to see them.
iampieman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it almost undeniable?
LazyCocoa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:48:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of the fact that the universe is infinite. Sure, the chance of life developing and becoming as advanced as we are is super slim, but in an infinite world it's already happened infinite times and will continue to happen unless the universe collapses or something.
The chances are different based on one thing though. Whether abiogenesis is possible. If not, then we don't know where we came from, or where other life forms could come from. If it is possible though, that would increase the chances of aliens. I do personally think it's possible.
HeyWeaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we make contact with conscious alien life forms, it will likely be because they are more advanced than us.
polot38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't actually know whether or not the universe is infinite.
polot38 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they do exist, it is possible (although unlikely) that we would find out. If they don't, there is almost certainly no way we will ever know.
IggySorcha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone's been doing those museum "before I die..." entries
flimflammed ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:34:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stem cell teeth replacements.
severed13 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stem cell everything pls
Cman1084 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:35:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. So much this.
RiotAct021 ยท 57 points ยท Posted at 12:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold Fusion
afiefh ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 13:51:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll settle for any sustainable fusion that we can efficiently harvest for energy (no the sun doesn't count)
BeTiWu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:08:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not the sun? What are other alternatives? Fission?
pikk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual fusion?
http://www-fusion-magnetique.cea.fr/gb/fusion/principes/principes02.htm
BeTiWu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woops misread the comment I thought he was talking about any sustainable energy source apart from fusion and the sun and my interest was sparked.
afiefh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it is extremely difficult to capture the energy of the sun unless you are willing to build a dyson sphere. It is simply too big and too far away.
The alternative is still fusion, but small and controlled. Project ITER is the biggest experiment in the field. A different project in Germany is called Wendelstein 7x. I have no PhD in physics to understand how likely they are to succeed, but it certainly sounds promising.
MjrK ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:11:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would settle for any kind of fusion.
BeTiWu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already did that.
MjrK ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:03:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clarification, I meant fusion power, with net energy production.
rouv3n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that's planned to be achieved by 2019 with the Wendelstein 7-x. Source: Did a tour there last year. EDIT: After reading up on the topic it seems that this is only best case scenario, the ITER seems to be the first reactor that can be realistically expected to produce a net gain.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:21:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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RiotAct021 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:27:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bogus concept for now
klezmai ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it even physically possible? I mean.. these atoms ain't gonna overcome the charges pulling them apart by themselves right?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's impossible
edit: not actually impossible, but the colder the fusion the harder it is to create a reaction. High temperature tokamaks are currently leading in the fusion race and will get even better now when we have better magnets.
[deleted] ยท 55 points ยท Posted at 13:22:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality would be nice.
FieserKiller ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:06:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jofarin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
@2. Besides the impossible
Jaylee143 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:30:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if that would be a curse or not lol
audigex ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That depends on two things
ShazbotSimulator2012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really wouldn't want myself or the people I love floating in space for all eternity after the stars have all burned out.
k5josh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've got a trillion years to work things out, with all the greatest minds to have ever lived working together and collaborating, and we won't conquer entropy?
TheLast_Centurion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot if your body ages or not.
audigex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, fair point
Pcons10 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would not be good, as we already are overpopulating earth. Even if it were possible, we shouldn't do it, as we are putting enough CO2 in the air now and we have enough people living as it is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are not overpolulating the earth.
avenlanzer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No it wouldn't
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:36:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes it would.
avenlanzer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:36:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You would enjoy being the last of your species while the human race evolves past you? You will happily burn away as the sun envelops the earth in a billion years after everything you've ever come to understand has vanished in what to you is the equivalent of an eyeblink? You'll happily suffocate, floating in space after the sun finally burns out and ejects you into the void for the rest of eternity? You'll enjoy all your memories of life and the people you love fading out like vague half remembered dreams as your puny brain disregards them since you haven't thought of any of that in centuries and all that matters is the burning crush of the sun or eternal emptiness of space for endless eons?
Or are you just talking practical immortality where you live for a couple hundred years then off yourself because you've realized it wasn't the dream you hoped for and you don't really remember clearly enough why you chose the stupid path that leaves you desperately alone?
No it wouldn't.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You asume science won't advance to make the issues you state obsolete.
avenlanzer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:27:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heat death of the universe will never be obsolete. The remaining conflicts could maybe be achieved, but the likely hood of any single one of them being solved, ever, is so miniscule as to be laughable. Science fiction aside, it won't happen.
thats__a__paddlin ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 13:27:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Equal distribution of the profits made from automatization.
CentiMaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you support the "equal distribution of profits" from the automation of horse and carriages? What about from the automation of cotton picking? What about from the automation of dish washing?
We're centuries away from the end of scarcity. In the mean time, as old jobs disappear due to efficiency gains, new jobs that were formerly prohibitively expensive will continue to appear.
Bknight006 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Problem is, that would require some major changes to the economy. Don't get me wrong, I'd support such changes, but be aware of just how much effort that would take.
Chrisski3 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:43:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Type 1 Diabetes.
Jakesleah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My kids both have it. A cure would be the best thing
Chrisski3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:43:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry to hear about that. It's fortunately a manageable disease, but can be really tough at times. I've had it for over 10 years now and it's just become part of my life. I try not to let it get in the way of things.
Jakesleah ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:51:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are on 7 months for one and three for the other. It hasn't gotten in the way, yet. They are amazing kids :-)
Chrisski3 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:52:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck to all of you!
PBlueKan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:10:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for arthritis. Fuck that shit with a rusty shovel.
AgiHammerthief ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:51:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of all nuclear weapons.
sayge ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:12:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That'll only happen when they make something powerful enough that makes maintaining nuclear readiness obsolete.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:08:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear weapons have been a major contributor to peace among world powers due to the MAD principle. Sure the prospect of them being used is scary, but you know what else is scary? World war.
AgiHammerthief ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, the nukes were almost launched several times (including after the Cold War theoretically ended). Besides, if someone gets desperate enough (like the Glorious Leader of Best Korea), MAD could outright fail.
friedzombie456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โI know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.โ
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks to nuclear weapons, the stakes of a large, conventional war are now so high, that nobody wants to play.
tonksndante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because continuous imperialism isnt a form of war?
yada_yada_no_suh ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:31:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The separation of church and state.
Unique_YouNork ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 13:57:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The de-nuclearuzation of the world on the 72nd anniversary of Hiroshima
AirieFenix ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like 36 hours ago?
Or you meant Nagasaki.
Or maybe your real wish is time travel.
JobDestroyer ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:56:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have to stop pretending that MAD is a long-term strategy.
SonicCharmeleon ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we include power stations? Those are cool.
BlackBloke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:49:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But we're already past the 72nd now, right?
Mrscmh48 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 14:03:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthy people. No war. No hunger. Good music and food for all. Healthy children. Education for all. Bad politicians dead. Oops. Went too far there.
TimelordJace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lazygraduate ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 14:45:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income
UhDoubleUpUhUh ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 13:46:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of capitalism, at least as it now exists.
ReverendWrinkle ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And replaced with what, exactly?
vsbobclear ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 15:54:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated luxury gay space communism
Bknight006 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:16:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This, but unironically
vsbobclear ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:19:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was only half joking
Kathas ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:22:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha good ironic joke comrade
crawls back into t-34
ReverendWrinkle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, obviously that's the simple solution.
ummmJRDN ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:56:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pigs are delicious, and there's plenty of starving people in this county alone.
UhDoubleUpUhUh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's kind of the thing, isn't it? The "what" that replaces capitalism.
The end of "work" is coming. It's not likely to happen in most Redditors' lifetimes, but there will be a point in the not too distant future where pretty much all jobs get done by machines or AI or some other non-human thing we haven't yet identified.
And when that happens, what becomes of the concept of money?
How is it earned if not through work? It certainly can't be only through investment because everyone can't be simultaneously rich, or simultaneously rich enough to have sufficient funds for their money to be earning their livelihoods.
As a global society, is it acceptable for a company to have humans do the work that funds the development of automating themselves out of existence for literally every job everywhere?
As a very simplistic example, Uber is using its own drivers to fund the creation of driverless cars. Expand that idea - let's call it technocapitalism - to every product and service you can imagine. Who actually benefits long term? Humanity as a whole? Or just the capitalist investors in future Uber-like companies as the number of human jobs grows ever smaller - to where even music or medicine or law or IT or plumbing or motivational speaking becomes the exclusive domain of self propagating, self repairing, self improving tech.
You can say automation is a technology issue; I disagree. I think pretty much all technology nowadays is the product of a desire to extract whatever money there is to be made from it, whether through sales of that tech (iPhones, apps, vacuum cleaners) or the distillation of a company's workforce into the smallest number of people possible creating the largest profit per person through automation (auto workers, accountants, customer service are all examples).
I'm not a Luddite, but what I see today is a bunch of very wealthy people looking for every way they can leverage technology to have their money growing as quickly as possible with as few people employed as can be managed. The technology is in the service of the capitalism. And society continues to reward capitalists in a way that isn't conducive to achieving independence from capitalism.
So what do we replace capitalism with? I don't know.
But the longer it takes to come up with alternatives, the more complicated it gets, and the more people are adversely affected by it.
Dicecard ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism doesn't currently exist pretty anywhere in the world. The only (partially) free market is the black/grey market.
Kathas ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:22:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
OceanPancake ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's an idea that once we get to a certain level of medicine, that your life will be extended to the point of living long enough to benefit from the next major advance in medicine. So on and so forth until essentially we are immortal.
That's what I want to live through. Nothing else essentially matters because we'd end up living through it anyway. Hoverboards, flying cars, working US government? We'll get to see all of that happen, because we'll live forever.
aggie_fan ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solving the ongoing obesity epidemic.
Despite the best efforts of governments and scientists over the last 50 years, the obesity epidemic is getting worse in America and around the world.
In before armchair reddit: If we had the solution today, the obesity epidemic would not exist.
dianalynn1982 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What needs to happen is governments must allow food scientists and dietitians to do their job and not allow themselves to be bought out by the dairy, meat and egg industries to "prove" the nutrient density of said foods.
Igotbored112 ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:21:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avoiding extinction.
yParticle ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:39:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, by definition...
Igotbored112 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:40:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope they can keep achieving it for at least the span of my lifetime... preferably a lot longer than that.
driscoll324 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technically, as long as you have a lifetime, humans aren't extinct. Unless you're GASP a capybara!?!
Igotbored112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop finding all these loopholes
part_time_user ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why though? Wouldn't it be way more interesting seeing humanity going extinct and possible the end of one of few species ever existed with complex thoughts, to be the last human thinking a thought like "what happens now?" or "is there an afterlife if so how/what is it?"
poopellar ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse ageing, or atleast completely eliminate the ailments that result from ageing.
I wonder if whoever discovers a way to stop and reverse ageing, would be allowed to reveal it to the rest of the world. A population that cannot age would drastically alter society.
MindToxin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch the movie In Time. That's what it would be like!
MsCrazyPants70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's coupled with male birth control, it might be ok. Plus, there will always be other ways to die. A bad fall, shot, car wreck, drowning.
Tidalsky114 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With all these kinds of post about immortality it just makes m think a few things.
1 we couldn't survive on earth alone if people were immortal.
2 we could easily get to other planets if people were immortal. If we can't die we shouldn't be able to die in space. Therefore we should be able to make human ladders to wherever we want to go and would at such point have our reach only be limited by our population.
ApolloniusDrake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality does not equal invincibility. You can still die but just not by aging.
If if we gained immorality by uploading our brain to a computer or robot then we could survive in space but that doesn't mean we would live if the computer was destroyed.
Tidalsky114 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:43:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But you're not truly immortal if you can be killed.
Just because you can live for thousands of years, one way or another, doesn't mean you're immortal.
ApolloniusDrake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No. Immortality does not mean you're invincible. It means your life ends when an outside source causes it. If a nuke went off from inside you then you would die.
Myrddin_Naer ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:57:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to growing new, perfectly healthy and normal, organs for people with failed ones, instead of organ donation. The science is in its infancy yet as far as i know, but we're getting there.
Dwall4954 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:30:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
Carrotyfungus ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I dream one day where I wake up and I see the headline on the tv, "cancer cure found".
jayhxmo ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:53:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reunification of Korea
DanceWithTheDevil_ ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Journalism to turn from entertainment into actual goddamn news.
JeffTennis ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Medicare in the United States (aka Single Payer)
CentiMaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You want the governmentโthe same people behind the DMV, the Iraq War, and Project MKULTRAโto run your healthcare too? That's an abysmal idea.
How about, instead, technological advances that make healthcare so cheap that everyone can afford it?
JeffTennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:47:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only way we'd get single payer is if we got the current majority of congress out. And when I say majority I'd say the longtime GOP and longtime Dems. Technological advances wouldn't be hindered by Single Payer.
CrystalSplice ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 15:47:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us outgrow religion in a meaningful way. I don't think that it will ever go away completely, but it should be completely removed from all governments, laws, and so on.
That probably isn't realistic, sadly.
WithMeDoctorWu ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They may say you're a dreamer. But you're not the only one.
thethrill_707 ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 13:08:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars? How about evolving right here on Earth first?
How about not blowing other people up because they happen to live near fossil fuels we need? Or not killing because imaginary sky-god organizations perceive they are slighted an also need dutiful worshipers and money? Maybe getting to a place where amassing money and power are embarrassing\ short-sighted goals. Where everyone gets raised up - not because of heaven and hell, salvation or damnation - but just because we should do the right thing for everyone.
Just your average socialist-commie-pinko pipe dream.
LordDz ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 13:39:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots taking over our jobs and we get time to do what we want. Ofc, my pessimistic side would say that the owners of the robots would get very very rich and we'd get some very very poor people (more than we have now), but hopefully.. Things will become good.
manamachine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's starting. Basic Income pilots are happening in Ontario, and one of the frontrunners for the NDP race in Canada is proposing national BI. Hawaii recently passed a bill in support of Basic Income too. I'm not confident that America will pass a federal law like that in our lifetime, but other nations will, and states within the US will.
That said, what studies have shown so far (including this really neat pilot in Kenya by the charity GiveDirectly: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/6/14007230/kenya-basic-income-givedirectly-experiment-village ) is that people whose needs are supported with BI, no questions asked, use the funds for good, and are actually more eager to work and explore their passions. They also found that the funds were not abused. They looked into alcohol purchased with BI, for example, and found very little, though it did include someone buying distilling supplies for his new business.
BI providers and social scientists are theorizing, while gathering stats, that it will actually cost less to just give people money than it does to constantly support programs that give poor people specific items and services (which they may not need). It turns out the experts on knowing what poor people need are...poor people.
Having pilots and studies happening around the globe will let us start to see long-term statistics, and will hopefully show that UBI on a national level is nothing but beneficial, regardless of economic status.
CaptainSerendipity ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:05:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glad I scrolled down to find this. Just wanted to add to this: basic income and global social security for everyone, do what you want, let the robots do the menial tasks. Sure, some will be richer than others, but if we'd all have the basic necessities covered and no financial worries, we can start thinking how to tackle the other problems.
coopiecoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
also robot uprising.
DoctorWho2015 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:26:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regarding what both of you say. I think this will never happen.
LordDz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's already happening. :) Or at least making them easier. Robots are replacing doctors, service personell, care takers, etc..
DoctorWho2015 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was more referring to basic income. It most likely will never be fully implemented. And to be honest I can't understand how anyone can believe it ever will. If they believe so, to me it more or less seems that they haven't put enough thought into it.
LordDz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:49:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's already being tried out?
In finland they are testing it at some places. The point of the basic wage is to allow you a base living wage, you're still going to want to work for a living but you're not going to starve to death should you not have a job. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/03/finland-trials-basic-income-for-unemployed
DoctorWho2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LordDZ. You got it all wrong.
I live in Sweden (and Finland works similar). In Sweden we have a great welfare system (you can read more about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_in_Sweden) But in short. No job? You get money from taxpayers. School? funded by taxpayers no fees. Universities? Free, founded by taxpayers. Student loans? mostly funded by taxpayers only 0,1% interest. Hospitals? Free, funded by taxpayers. So do I think that all countries should have a welfare system as Sweden? Yes. I do.
Now let's talk about Basic income and what's the difference with it compare with a great welfare system. Let's say you live in Sweden now and you are without a job. You would get around 1000$. If this instead would be Basic Income (what Finland is trying). You would still get 1000$ instead of social welfare. But at the same time, the ones who work would also get 1000$. To fund this taxes needs to be higher. Who pays taxes? The one who works. basically, those 1000$ that working people are getting are paid by themselves with taxes. So it is just a more complicated idea for a great welfare system.
So what I'm saying is that Basic Income is more of an idea from countries with not so good welfare systems. They should focus on that instead of basic income because it will give the same result.
LordDz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I live in Sweden too so no need to lecture me. So yes in a way, it's a welfare system addition but also for food and clothes, etc something which isn't really included in our welfare.
DoctorWho2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:24:49 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, it is? If you do not have job. Even basic furniture like bed, dining table etc. is included in the social welfare if you don't have it already. I remember one time that my neighbor needed money for alcohol so he hid his dining table at my place just to be able to get some extra cash from social services :P
To me. It is way more likely that the definition of a job change the more and more automatization takes over rather than basic income to be implemented.
Edit (In Swedish): "Ekonomiskt bistรฅnd bestรฅr av tvรฅ delar: fรถrsรถrjningsstรถd och bistรฅnd fรถr livsfรถringen i รถvrigt. Fรถrsรถrjningsstรถdet prรถvas mรฅnadsvis och tรคcker de vanliga och regelbundet รฅterkommande kostnaderna fรถr till exempel mat, klรคder, fรถrbrukningsvaror, boende och hushรฅllsel.
Ekonomiskt bistรฅnd fรถr livsfรถringen i รถvrigt gรคller kostnader som รคr tillfรคlliga och inte tรคcks av fรถrsรถrjningsstรถdet. Vanliga behov รคr till exempel kostnader fรถr lรคkarvรฅrd, medicin, tandvรฅrd, glasรถgon, mรถbler eller annat till hemmet och flyttning.
Det finns dock ingen begrรคnsning nรคr det gรคller bistรฅnd fรถr livsfรถringen i รถvrigt och du bestรคmmer sjรคlv vad du vill ansรถka om. Det avgรถrande รคr att du behรถver bistรฅndet fรถr att ha en skรคlig (rimlig) levnadsnivรฅ."
Source: Vad kan jag fรฅ bistรฅnd till -> http://www.socialstyrelsen.se/fragorochsvar/ekonomisktbistandpasvenska
Hugibananadwig ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 13:59:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to animal agriculture
oxfay ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:22:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lab grown meat seems to be getting somewhere. I hear that it's application will be mostly felt in the fast food and prepared food industries. Hopefully this will stop the deforestation of the Amazon rain forest.
Asuramaru_ ยท 31 points ยท Posted at 11:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of all Mosquitos.
WiglyWorm ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 14:08:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we can get a twofer, I'd like if we can get rid of ticks as well.
razmalriders ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:07:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I googled twofer because I read it completely wrong at first haha. I read that shit as twah-fer.
LazyCocoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also fleas.
Hanzilol ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say we address the Nickelback problem before we move on to the Chili Peppers.
Limerick_Goblin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of all mosquitos would be the eradication of almost all ecosystems. They are the world's most prominent pollinator.
356afan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know they are annoying, but they are a serious source of food for many other creatures in the food chain.
Devonmoyer1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually we already know how http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/kill-all-mosquitos-180959069/
FRED44444 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see solar panels on more than 60% of houses across the U.S. only way this is possible is if we keep upgrading the material and efficiency so the price keeps going down.
Lexifefa ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:02:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Learning to live more environmental friendly.
Tombis ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:56:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
full transition to type 1 civilization would be enough for me...
Pensive_Kitty ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End to growing live animals just to kill them and eat parts of them. So basically, am really looking forward to lab grown meat. Which might actually happen in my lifetime, yay!
Fattybatman3456 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a damn animal. Why does it matter if they live or die, it's not like a cow gonna cure cancer or bring us into the next technological era.
LeCucumber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably arenโt either so come here fatty Batman itโs grill night.....
Fattybatman3456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Head my words. If I do not cure cancer AND bring the Earth into the next technological era I will go to the middle of New York City and cut my flesh off and feed to the hungry people of NYC.
Fattybatman3456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I give myself a timeframe of one year.
craigybacha ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:32:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Developing a cure for cancer.
andyroo985 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:50:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A full cure for paraplegics. I've seen videos of people who have been paralysed from the neck down have had their brain hooked up so that they can have basic motion restored to their arms. The work looks so incredible that I hope in my lifetime we can look back on those basic movements of the arms/hands the same way that today we look back at basic computers that were the size of a whole room and think "wow, technology has come a fucking long way"
airportakal ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 20:01:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of life outside this planet.
Kaiskov ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:07:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality or at least treatments that could extend my lifespan long enough to see the dawn of immortality
Haltheleon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even necessarily want immortality. I think humanity in general would be a hell of a lot better off if we were able to live a couple hundred extra years, though. And that's not just selfishness speaking. Think about the wisdom and experience that an 80 or 90-year-old can share - just think what could be experienced and passed down by a 300-year-old man or woman. It would definitely exacerbate an already-existing population issue, of course, but there are solutions to that as well, and we're working on a number of those already.
Hasuna88 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:33:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People realizing there are actually really intelligent people with no college degrees and can do an even better job than those with college degrees in terms of work ethics and morals.
AnneDeGuilleroy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:15:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely, but at as employer I also have to say that work ethic and morals only get you so far if the work requires expertise and a formal education.
Cambian ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:44:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity, or whatever you want to call the ability to identify and transfer consciousness into robotic form
chaogomu ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 14:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity is when an A.I. can fully design and build a new, better, A.I.
Once this happens it will become an exponential process as each new A.I. will be able to design and build a better version.
While human brain uploading has been speculated as a part of this process it is not actually required at any step.
It is generally accepted that at some point post singularity that A.I. will be so smart that every conceivable technology will be invented.
Cambian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:40:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for the clarification
Blue_Dog_Democracy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
That's a serious question. I honestly don't understand why people are so eager for the singularity.
Cambian ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality meets basically having superpowers.. it's basically my dream to live something out of ghost In the shell or deus ex
MTAST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I want to be
In the singularity
But only just me
d-O_j_O-P ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 15:53:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
way way way way better care of the elderly. We're all going to be there one day it would be nice to know there isn't any issues trying to get a loved one into an affordable safe home that will always keep them engaged and given the care they need if it comes to it. It seems now that it's an industry filled with cost cutting measures and bureaucracy
[deleted] ยท 26 points ยท Posted at 13:59:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for autism so I can speak to my son
THEPSILON ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:44:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck this hit me
fibonacci_11235 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:25:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who the fuck downvoted this??? Why is mental illness a goddamned trend nowadays?
I'm sorry for your struggles and I hope that one day you can speak to him and that you can both hear and understand how much you love each other.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:56:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you! Appreciate it. People don't care about other people's problems unless it affects them personally. Pretty sad
elkabongg ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:54:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I watched the most recent VICE on HBO, and there's this autism activist group arguing for no "cure" because they don't feel they're "broken." I thought, well, that's well and good for high-functioning autistic adults, but what about everyone else??
Something-i-dunno ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:06:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many of them don't want a cure either.
saidA2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ข
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it ok if I asked you to elaborate on this? I've never heard it put it this way before. I don't know enough about autism so I'm not sure if you mean he's awkward or just a mute.
Gozergastje ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 11:45:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
Zaldun ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is impossible as long as we exist.
PohjolasDaughter ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 13:28:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first woman on the moon. Most people don't realize it hasn't been done. It'd be feasible within my lifetime and pretty rad to see.
sabrefudge ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as she doesn't start moving our shit around.
Men threw a bunch of junk on the moon, and it may look random, but we have a system.
We like the flag and the discarded equipment and the moonrocks exactly where they are, thank you very much.
DanielFrigginJackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, it's been feasible for forty odd years.
SirEarlBigtitsXXVII ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:53:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A woman's place is in the kitchen.
Farnswirth ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:38:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't hold your breath. Ever since NASA started affirmative action they've been hiring over 50% women.
And you wonder why spacex is kicking their ass?
Blizzard93beast ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:45:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income
greenisin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:10:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This. We shouldn't have to work, but the Republicans force us to which is slavery.
Blizzard93beast ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:07:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reason why I want it is because the purpose of a human should not be just to survive like animals, work should be done for the sake of progress but not as a mean to survive. With universal basic income we can be more creative when we don't have to worry about survival.
FozzieDaKar ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:54:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All humanity participating in mutually respectful relationships and taking responsibility for their actions.
kiraliralou ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for Alzheimer's.
theRastaDan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:02:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion becomming stable and efficent enough, it's the next big step in terms of harvesting energy
pm_mba ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:03:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing migraines.
enderraleo45 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:12:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Organ restoration.
Kevin-96-AT ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:17:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mastering genome editing
why would anyone worry about a planet like earth being destroyed when you can create complex ecological systems from ground up with little effort. create humans that require close to no resources, live for millenia without drawbacks and have senses that rival the most modern of machines. use micro organisms to terraform planets and make them liveable...
i'm absolutely certain that in the not so far future biological lifeforms as we know them (plants, insects, mammals, fish, reptiles, etc) will only find use in the entertainment sector. today we have terrariums and tomorrow we will have planets with their own eco systems and humanoids walking around on them that are subject to the will of the terrarium owners poking them with big sticks.
Bludgeonedkittens ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging and age related diseases.
Catkillerfive ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity becoming a fully space faring species, with colonies with a permanent population across our Solar system.
nekogamixx ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:41:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Please.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
political world peace, universal access to the internet, and high download speeds
JustSayan ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:55:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with another life form (I know what the odds are) and seeing humans land on another planet for the first time. I read a a lot of sci-fi.
saidA2000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:22:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hey can i recommend a music video to you? on youtube type: cbl mos 6581... thank me later ๐
drarsenaldmd ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
kudzujean ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:31:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for spinal cord injuries and for Alzheimer's.
thinkinmachine ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:34:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation.
Cariad_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Alzheimer's, AIDs, Terminal Cancers.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:02:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Countries budgets for their space exploration agencies being larger than their military budgets.
Also the scrapping of single nation space agencies because space exploration is so important to us as a species, it should simply transcend competition based on where people happened to be born and instead be a joint international effort to discover what or who we share our universe with. No more NASA, RSC, ISRO etc. but instead all countries providing a suitably proportionate amount from their budgets to this one organisation striving for huge breakthroughs. This would also lead to incredible leaps in technology because we would have the absolute best scientists and engineers from around the world working together, sharing their knowledge.
Dirty_Liberal_Hippie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:41:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for all forms of dementia as well as a cure for all types of cancer.
Robotic_Pedant ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:52:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reboot of Firefly.
ARatherStrangeFellow ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:46:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's explore the god damn ocean please
lyranen ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:24:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need the cure for metastatic cancer please.
MonsieurPatate ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 01:28:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A free, democratic and peaceful North Korea.
Shredded_Cunt ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:13:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonisation of another planet.
killercylon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:58:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would make me happy to know that we can colonize a planet with microbes. Hopefully this is done on Mars if we fail to find life there after thoroughly searching.
we_belong_dead ยท 59 points ยท Posted at 11:39:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:07:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me too thanks
Ass_ketchum_ ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 13:16:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Username checks out.
Haplessflyers ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 13:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm suspicious at best, that your username checks out.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like your style
hlessiforever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell Yeah! End the plague!
Killianti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I doubt you'll see that before you die.
australtwitt ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 13:14:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Name checks out
RipCityRevival ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:43:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/2meirl4meirl
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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we_belong_dead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cessation of all life everywhere would be the ideal way to rid the universe of suffering. But that's not going to happen for a while yet.
Best start with us.
[deleted] ยท 78 points ยท Posted at 11:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End to prejudice and stereotyping
wahtong ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 11:12:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as that is great, I honestly don't think that is gonna happen ever.
infinitepaths ยท 52 points ยท Posted at 11:17:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well not with people like you it's not, I know the type.
shavityaron ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 11:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Isn't that stereotyping, or was that a joke?
infinitepaths ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 11:27:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joke. Humans are built to group things for efficiency, so I doubt we will ever remove underlying prejudices and stereotyping from the mind. They're pretty helpful at times too. As soon as an Eastern-European guy I've never met before addresses me as "my friend", I know they may be trying to profit from me somehow. Or maybe I'm just a prejudicial monster.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:30:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a prejudicial monster, my friend.
shavityaron ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:31:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whichever, you have a sharp sense of humour. It's well appreciated
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:32:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fucking vp fanboys
wahtong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:00:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is like saying a person born in low income household won't have any sort of prejudice or stereotypes different from a person born into a high income household.
wahtong ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 11:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless everyone in "middle America" are able to get to know someone who is gay or black. I was lucky to be able to move out of my small town and is the first in my family to be able to go to college. Or else I would not be in the lucky position I am in right now.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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_PM_Me_Boobs_plz_ ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 12:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think he gets it.
wahtong ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 12:21:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good luck trying to convince the entire 7.5 billion on this planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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wahtong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read somewhere something about that very subject in some science journal or whatever.
That would require surgery. And surgery is expensive.
๐๏ธ cath91 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 11:06:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be great, actually.
A1_ThickandHearty ยท 23 points ยท Posted at 11:49:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not as long as Al Sharpton is still alive
wpiman ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agreed; there is too much of a victim industry here.
They aren't ever going to be like "well, looks like we licked that problem. Let's shut down this bureaucracy which raises tens of millions of dollars annually and pays me a huge sum of money to run it". They just raise the bar.
I imagine if you asked the founder of the NAACP or other organizations at the time what their metric for ultimate success would be; they would have said the election of a black President. Now, they would probably say reparations. After that- the bar would be moved.
cnzmur ยท -24 points ยท Posted at 13:55:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you a white American?
A1_ThickandHearty ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:04:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's a fucking white male!
fibonacci_11235 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literallyyyyyyyyyyy
shavityaron ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 11:22:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once one defines what he is, he defines what he isn't. Then the road to judging what he isn't is very short.
I don't think it's entirely possible. I have yet to meet a person that doesn't use 'them' and 'us' (they as in - Trump supporters, Muslims, Mexicans, Left wing liberals, religious people, gun control). There's always a they.
RainDancingChief ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:16:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean negative prejudice and stereotyping. Getting rid of all prejudice and stereotyping would be awful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:57:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure I agree. What's one way positive stereotypes help us? How are they ever better than using actual facts?
Zero_the_Unicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's a saying called "Every stereotype has a reason"
the-real-apelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you think about t'would be a disaster, both extremely necessary for efficient, successful interactions (though occasionally returning the opposite).
' Oh look, here comes a bloodied man brandishing a large knife'
'How can I help you on this fine d....urghh'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:56:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By my definition this is not stereotyping or prejudice, this is assessing the situation based on actual facts.
A stereotype would be almost all people who use knives outside their homes are dangerous individuals.
the-real-apelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perhaps not the best example but my point is that it's not particularly efficient or safe to assume nothing about people, to not guess any of the blanks before you can get to know them (which in some cases might be impossible).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About individuals in specific circumstances, sure.
Generalizations about groups and classes of people, though, is really problematic. It ignores individual differences.
eg135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This probably won't happen because our minds are too weak to avoid overgeneralization. I see prejudive as an element of being human, like selfishness.
Tatorbits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is that your honest opinion?
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sounds like something a Jew would say.
jbake4466 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 12:56:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly that's not gonna happen until 10,000 years from now when all the races have mixed and we find something else to hate each other over.
two_what ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:41:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always said, the cure for racism will be the discovery of extra terrestrial beings, aka aliens.
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:44:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except then we'll just have people hating the aliens AND other skin colors.
MR_SHITLORD ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:08:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or if we had an AI construct every one of us to be so different and unique that we can't possibly find many people who are similar to us.
It's easy to be racist when you live near a big group of your skin color, now imagine everyone being a completely different color, type, personality etc..
Maybe we'd still be racist towards other shades of people, idk, still sounds like an interesting thing to study
Then again if we had AI that can make us all different they can just make us not racist..
two_what ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would AI do anything you're talking about? My premise is simple, once humanity has a common enemy it will unite as one race
steelersman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yup like America and many other countries do when faced with an outside threat
[deleted] ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 11:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Wawgawaidith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to get warmed or while you're waiting, try reading Altered Carbon by Richard Morgan. A couple of good inter-species sex scenes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Snoogins.
saidA2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
youtube: cbl mos 6581
type that on youtube
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:51:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual world peace and a world where we care enough about our planet to stop destroying it with massive animal agriculture.
vwaexperiance ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 11:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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xFunna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
what
Barack-YoMama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:51:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Majora's Mask is a videogame in which the moon is coming down on Earth, Majora's Mars is kinda like a pun of that name
BIRRDMAN ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:19:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Facts meaning something again....
Capn_Yoaz ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income and Self driving cars would be on my list for sure.
jacob_ewing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:33:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This - exactly the two I came to say.
[deleted] ยท 126 points ยท Posted at 11:00:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Secularism.
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 11:59:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Kijafa ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 12:30:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It has. If this person meant "global secularism" that'd be another thing.
[deleted] ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 13:55:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah it's worked out so well in China and Russia
Xenepa ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:14:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even your worst examples are still inifitely times better than best examples of religion governed countries.
[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 15:44:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not so good
Xenepa ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:12:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism != Secularism. Secularism was not the cause for murders. Bloodshed is just written into communism.
But true, during the time od those communist regimes were killing millions and millions, it was probably worst place to be. But i am talking about today. Id pick China or russia over egypt, uae, saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc any time.
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just to clarify I wasn't equating communism to secularism, just showing the statistics for the ones I meantioned. China and Russia. Arguably North Korea could be included.
Communism is rooted in Marxism, and Marxism does have deep roots in secularism, but you are correct that communism can happen without secularism. It is rather rare.
I would have to agree with you that right now Saudi and Egypt would be much worse than China and Russia. I haven't done enough research on North Korea's secularism, but I believe they would be an example of a current terrible secular society to live in.
People can twist any worldview to turn it into a fascist regime. Secularism, Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, people can use religion as an excuse for their own evil. So in my opinion secularism isn't preferable to religion, but democracy and equality and freedom of worship will produce a better society every time.
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:50:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Red_of_Head ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:58:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most Western nations are secular afaik and support freedom of religion.
anxdiety ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freedom of religion, not freedom from. How many politicians are atheists or agnostic again?
Ladnil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Outside the US, lots.
lives4summits ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 14:05:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol gives alcoholics hope and comfort...
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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lives4summits ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 14:07:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't see any difference. In both circumstances it's a tool for the weak to find purpose and comfort.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 14:08:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SimonFench ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:36:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that he's right about it being a comforting tool for people.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hth6565 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, religion hasn't harmed anyone... right? What about Jehovas Witnesses who cannot get a blood transfusion to save their own life?
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:56:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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SimonFench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Source that shit, because that's a hell of a claim. I'm a parent, and all of my friends are parents. The only ones that don't vaccinate are religious. The rest of us don't even allow our kids around theirs, because they obviously don't take their children's lives seriously. Your claim would be completely contradictory to all of my real life experiences.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion has never harmed anyone or been the cause of anything negative or bad for people. No, not ever.
/s
MR_SHITLORD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:04:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice argument
MelMes85 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't see any difference? So why is it that religious people can live very happy and successful lives? Can you say the same about alcoholics?
lives4summits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes.
MelMes85 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can't be happy as an alcoholic. It's a sickness that impairs your entire way of life. Being religious does not necessarily do that.
Amduscias7 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 14:02:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except that no religion allows for any acceptance of unbelievers.
Belake12 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's just not true
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 14:03:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Amduscias7 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some religious people, yes, but their religion says otherwise. The three biggest religions in the world each advocate and/or prophecize the death of apostates and unbelievers.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:39:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While true of Islam, it isn't true of religions that have gone through reformations. Such as Christianity.
Feel free to read the New Testament sometime.
Amduscias7 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few examples from the New Testament:
Matthew 10:14, regarding towns that do not want to worship him, "If any household or town refuses to welcome you or listen to your message, shake its dust from your feet as you leave. I tell you the truth, the wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah will be better off than such a town on the judgment day."
John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of Godโs one and only Son."
Mark 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
2 Corinthians 6:14 "Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"
There is no example anywhere of unbelievers being acceptable in any manner. They're commanded to be converted to left to be destroyed upon the return of Christ in his kingdom.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So where in those passages does the Bible advocate for the deaths of people?
Amduscias7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Predicting and looking forward to the messiah destroying all those who do not worship him is advocating him doing so.
knayte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please read a book
steelersman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woah do you know anything about Christianity or Judaism or even actual Islam
Amduscias7 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:50:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. After their origin in the polytheistic Canaanite pantheon, the Abrahamic faith gradually changed to monotheism while warring with neighboring tribes for dominance. According to their shared story, their deity established his first commandment, that no one shall have any gods but him, and it was punished with death. The entire Old Testament is a series of such punishments. The New Testament slightly changes it, delaying the destruction until the messiah returns in his kingdom. The Koran features another series of changes to it, with the destruction of unbelievers being both immediate and prophecied later. Not one allows for the option of not worshipping, they all regard it as evil, against Yahweh.
steelersman007 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:20:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1.) sick downvote for me trying to have a civil discussion 2.) The Catholic+Christian churches as a whole don't care if you convert or not now- of course they want you to but they aren't like hunting you done 3.)"the destruction" is the end of time in which all humans converted will be in heaven with God and we don't know if Non converts come up with us or stay in purgatory so it's not the way you phrased it at all
Amduscias7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Don't assume downvotes, there's a lot of people here.
2) The catechism of the Catholic Church addresses this. As of Vatican 2, they officially no longer support using political power to convert, but it was the norm for centuries and is still common. Social pressures are even more common, such as demanding a relatives child be baptized in the church or else losing contact. They care very much.
3) As the numerous changes and updates to the catechism and other official stances show, the dogma is fluid and susceptible to change. They offer no evidence for any of their claims, and reject testing of the claims as a rule. Going by scripture alone (which has also been subject to extreme changes), there is no mention of purgatory. It was wholly invented by the church.
Brettyoke49 ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 13:07:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edgy
[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:03:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't exactly say so. The definition of secularism is the separation of government from religious institutions. I can think of quite a few countries that would arguably benefit from such a separation.
Secularism is a funny word, because at face value it looks like it means "no religion". But actually it means keeping religion and government separate from each other.
MR_SHITLORD ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:03:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hm, but how do you achieve true secularism with religion?
Religions tend to impact politics, they tell their members that abortion is bad, so they go vote against abortion.
The only way we'd get true secularism with religions is if no religions impact politics at all. Like if religions were just happy rituals and fantasizing what might happen after death.
Maybe my definition of secularism is wrong, what i want is for religion to have no impact on politics
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:09 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you only not want it when you don't like its impact?
Perry0485 ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:20:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you don't agree? It's their opinion and while I don't necessarily agree with it, I don't see what exactly is edgy about it.
GWS2004 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:47:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That response is just a fad...much like "nothingburger".
MelMes85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Secularism is definitely not a fad. You're assuming that since it's a fad, everyone will go back to being religious after a certain amount of time. How can you prove that?
GWS2004 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was talking about the word "edgy".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:31 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being religious isn't the opposite of secularism.
steelersman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whoosh
BurningApple ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:42:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha you sure got him calling him edgy there. Perfect refutation of the argument
MR_SHITLORD ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll go maximum edge, the extinction of all superstition and "belief"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:37:34 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hold on to your fedoras folks!!!!
Mc-Dreamy ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 14:22:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go check out North Korea - no God, only people who've made themselves gods.
The_Flurr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because lack of religion is clearly the reason /s
australtwitt ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 13:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this would solve all the world's problems and bring about world peace single handedly.
knayte ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are...are you serious?
australtwitt ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 15:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh for sure! War is often religious. Responsibility for one's actions are left in "God's hands." Pollution and climate are left to "god's hands" with disregard to the impact of people. Information and science is rejected if not in-line with religious ideals. Politics can adopt religion as a fundamental aspect of their agenda to secure any vote. Religion is the spark for extreme hate world wide. I could go on. I feel like this is obvious.
TwoSpookyFourYou ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:07:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sure, WW1, the Korean War, Vietnam, Desert Storm and, oh Hell I'll throw in the Pacific Theater of WWII, were religious. Get your head out of your ass and understand that people kill each other for many fucking reasons. Pollution is due to the fucks in the developing world lime China and India who produce things using un-environmentally friendly methods. And lastly, race is the reason for hate world-wide. And that shit isn't going away.
steelersman007 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:31:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Catholic Church (present scandal non-included) has been one of the greatest forces for good in the last 200 years
knayte ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:26:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am devoutly religious and enjoy living in a liberal democracy. What do you have against that?
This is something you could only say if you knew nothing about people of faith.
wxsted ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:23:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, but not all wars are religious. Nowadays most wars are about resources and inffluence
knayte ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure you've thought this through.
[deleted] ยท -42 points ยท Posted at 11:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GWS2004 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 13:50:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think the US is secular? We have laws (anti abortion and gay rights and anti-science in education) that are built on religious views and they are very open about stating it. I will say we are definitely not as bad as other countries, but we are not secular.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:43 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as you have homophobic views that aren't based on religious reasons, it's okay! /s
CanadianJesus ยท 56 points ยท Posted at 12:16:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US is a pretty poor example of secularism. Sure, there is no state mandated religion, but Yanks bring religion into civil affairs like politics and education on their own accord.
Er_Hast_Mich ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:26:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because, ultimately, we don't have secularism, we have non establishment.
CanadianJesus ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:40:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disestablishmentarianism?
KennesawMtnLandis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:52:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-disestablishmentarianism actually.
Timwi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, disestablishmentarianism was correct. Just because your word is longer doesn't mean it means what you think it means :)
KennesawMtnLandis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't even know or care what it means.
Er_Hast_Mich ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, we would have had to already have an established religion in order for there to be a political concept of disestablishment.
helpinghat ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 13:02:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah right. USA is one of the most religious Western countries.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:11 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure people here are working off the same definitions of "secular" and "religious".
Hecknar ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 11:59:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hahaha, yeah.... That shit doesn't work.
snow_michael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try being an atheist standing for election in Mississppi
http://www.alternet.org/belief/7-states-where-atheists-cant-legally-run-office
Super_C_Complex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:28 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
those are literally unenforceable, because of the Constitution.
Legally any law enforcing religious law is unconstitutional.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 13:34:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are secular but still thinks better then non secular people.
So what's your point?
Lanre_The_Chandrian ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:31:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
PM_ME_YUR_HAND_BRAS ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm like 90% sure Lanre is immortal so you're already covered.
Lanre_The_Chandrian ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:52:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless I run into another namer that is:/
PM_ME_YUR_HAND_BRAS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah remember the namer that said he could kill you for a few days at most, then you'd just come back.
daletriss ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 19:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of organized religion.
Juliakk ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:01:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cleaner world, the end of global warming and for their to be no such thing as an endangered animal anymore. Pretty much for humans to stop destroying the planet.
aclay81 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:07:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm late to the party but I will give it my thoughts anyway. I want to see the world come together on one thing, just one, and really that's it. I don't even care what it is, as long as it is a good thing.
pfortissimo ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The acceptance of science as a way to validate the measurable realities of the world, by a high percentage of people.
LeCucumber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes please.
vaalthanis ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:59:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the world come to its senses and realize that religion is nothing more than myths and fairy tales so we could stop killing each other over stupidity.
Cimmerian_Barbarian ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:44:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living in balance with the environment. Fuck Mars.
EricandtheLegion ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:34:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How bout we just stop fucking killing each other?
Majestic_Bear ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:22:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People have said colonization of Mars, I want to see colonization of the Moon. Image a city on the moon, would it have its own government? Would it be a tourist industry or would they mine the moon? Lets set our eyes a bit closer before we move onto mars.
Lawsoffire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:21:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except distance doesn't work like that in space. Getting to the moon (~16,000m/s of Delta/v) and getting to Mars (~19,000m/s of Delta/v) takes about the same energy. Half of it is spent just getting to Low Earth Orbit.
The difference is that Mars colonies are much easier to become self sustainable. And the gravity (or lack thereof) wont ruin your chances of ever getting home again due to bone loss.
And days lasts 26 hours instead of 15 days.
And there is a tiny atmosphere
And it's terraformable
The moon does have 1 advantage though. There is always a Lunar window. So help is always 3 days + however long organizing takes (which in the current world is at the very best a month or 2) instead of 6 months to 2 years and 6 months away
overyunder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon might be a good staging ground too, like a global interplanetary spaceport. Like you mentioned, most of the energy is spent getting off of Earth anyway.
saidA2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
youtube: cbl mos 6581
type that on youtube
Romanopapa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:43:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An actual non-rendered photo of another planet deemed sustainable to life.
whenYouTouchMe ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:06:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact or Discovery of Extra Terrestrial life
Suburbanbooty ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:58:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global marriage equality
Eradicating more communicable diseases globally through immunisation
Better global birth, infant and maternal health outcomes
fenceloverfence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
at this point focusing on an artificial uterus would be more reasonable, it's long overdue anyways, the way humans reproduce is frankly inhumane
dualityofmanbearpig ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inexpensive, viable artificial kidneys that approach the efficiency of the real thing.
pm-your-dick-pic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for my disease or disorder Trimethlaminuria.
bleedinghero ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:41:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Civilian interstellar travel. I'll settle for civilian travel to planets though.
Draxar112987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda like a cruise huh.. Yeah I'm going on vacation, wife an I our gonna do the rings of Saturn this coming spring for our anniversary. Yup definitely a fantastic idea. A vacation I'd definitely look forward too
mtb1443 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:45:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something like the replicator from star trek. A device that can make any item you choose from any matter.
The problem is that society/economy would be vastly altered.
NC_DE336 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:52:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Developing a colony on another celestial body. Either the moon, or mars.
ProTomahawks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:55:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My city to be 100% driverless cars
mplagic ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see horrendous work conditions disappear and everyone earn a living wage regardless of what they do. Universal basic income would be a great way to combat the changing markets
CentiMaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:25:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It really wouldn't, though. The thing is, we're centuries away from the end of scarcity.
In the meantime, as old jobs disappear due to gains in efficiency, new jobs with higher marginal productivities that were previously prohibitively expensive will appear. This has been happening since the start of the Industrial Revolution, and there are no signs it'll stop any time soon.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm how about curing crippling Crohn's disease, please guys lets get on this
coffeeinvenice ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A self-replicating carbon-fiber robot shaped like a dragonfly that draws carbon dioxide out of the air to replicate itself exponentially. And when the ambient CO2 level reaches 320 PPM, it stops replicating, flies out over the middle of the ocean, and drops to the bottom of the sea.
Idiotwithnoplans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:45:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be better if it flies somewhere where it can be collected and recycled into carbon fiber?
coffeeinvenice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the volumes that would be generated, it wouldn't be necessary. Do the math.
1 robot takes in enough carbon to self-replicate in 1 day.
Day 1 - 1 robot.
Day 2 - 2 robots.
Day 3 - 4 robots.
Day 4 - 8 robots.
And so on...
In 30 days, you have 1,070,000,000 robots.
In 60 days, you have 1.15e+18 robots.
Program the first robot so that if the ambient CO2 level is 320 ppm or lower, or 1,000 ppm or higher (to account for naturally occuring CO2 emission sites such as volcanoes), it stops self-replicating and moves to an area of greater than 320 ppm.
Eventually, you get enough robots in the atmosphere that the average CO2 ppm for the atmosphere (again, not counting naturally-occurring "hot spots") reaches 320 ppm. Then they all fly to the middle of the ocean and drop to the bottom.
Some could be caught in nets to recycle into carbon fiber. Yeah, you could do that.
firfetir ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Alzheimer's gets cured I have the chance to live a regular life and grow old.
lives4summits ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. 1 of every 2 men and 1 of every 3 women will get cancer.
severed13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wait seriously 50% of men get cancer?
Holy shit
TheRoadHome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not OP, but yea, it's about 42% of getting it anywhere, but about 25% of dying from it.
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-basics/lifetime-probability-of-developing-or-dying-from-cancer.html
supraman2turbo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a man on Mars. My parents had putting a man on the moon I want to see man set foot on Mars
Havins ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna see the Cincinnati Bengals win a goddamn playoff game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AJ > Andy
cgb1234 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:13:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality
CSwork1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:15:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable robot slaves to clean my bathroom and take out the garbage.
-cjm- ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:19:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon
turddit ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:27:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no more comic book superhero movies
littlekapkan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:33:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to live as long as Asari.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to fuck an Asari.
A1steaksa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:34:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sentient, non-crazy artificial intelligence.
If everything goes to plan it would make my life so much easier and better. If it goes wrong we all die in some kind of hellish apocalypse, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.
TheRealMouseRat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:40:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elevation of quality of life for all people on the planet to the level of people in Europe without the people in Europe becoming as poor as India is currently.
SgtSiler24 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The exploration of the entirety of the world's oceans. It's so fast and one of the last frontiers on earth to be explored. I won't do it because I hate deep, dark water.
marshall19 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Computers interfacing directly with the brain. It might happen when I am 100+, but it is in the realm of possibility within my lifetime.(according to certain futurologists)
TheJesseClark ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A few things I think can realistically be achieved within the next hundred years:
Julio800m ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
Gh0sT_Pro ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:04:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technological singularity
One small step for AI, one giant last leap for mankind!
buttbuttbuttbutt123 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:05:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World government.
Not the conspiracy "new world order" type or the hippy "peace and love" type but a realistic one in which we use all of our pooled resources for the goal of furthering the human race rather than its sub-categories. It's pretty much the only way we'll be able to achieve and expand inter-stellar travel and in turn the only way to further our species beyond a short existence on earth. That and it would make solving crises like climate change and food/water shortage easily solvable.
kilour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sadly with the powers at be won't happen unless their is an existential reason to bring us together, aka aliens, asteroids
Peeka789 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:11:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing what the "surface" of Jupiter looks like, or rather, the iron core.
Draxar112987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With our own eyes of course. After all the experience alone, would be thrilling an exciting
CovfefeFan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything from Black Mirror ๐
Digiko ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone in the world being decent and kind to one another.
ArsenicLacedCandy ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good green lantern movie.
tinzor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering a way to extend human life into the 100s of years.
ImUnreal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:58:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A unified Europe, ready to take charge and lead the world forward, in a era of peace and prosperity. Since I belive that the whole world joining ranks will be after my time. I am 22. More of a dream than a achivement, but Europe uniting could be the first step to mankind uniting.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:02:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George R.R. Martin completing his books before the diabetes takes him.
m4xxp0wer ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:12:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cheap and efficient battery technology that has been promised for the last 30 years.
smallventures ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:14:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free drugs for all
SkyR923 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can get down with that lmao
randy9999 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:25:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decent remake of Dune...
sir113 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality then I would see everything in my life time
Geekronimous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You will feel pretty lonely once the universe ends.
universemonitor ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of monetary system
Answers to Space boundaries, quantum physics, teleportation, consciousness and purpose
Complete deep sea exploration
Personalized medicine
comedyoferrors ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:49:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fucking cure for aging. There are too many things I want to do in my life, and I am frankly horrified of being stopped by an arbitrary time limit. I probably don't want to live forever, but I don't want to die a minute before I'm goddamn ready for it.
Juniorseyes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:35:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I. Want. My. Flying. Car.
ogdwayne ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:08:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George R R Martin releasing the final two installments of a song of ice and fire
PassTheJam ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:18:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drugs: I want drugs to be destigmatized. All drugs should be legalized, especially soft/less dangerous drugs like weed, or psychedelics like LSD, but also hard stuff like heroin. That's the only way to make drug use save for both users and addicts. You should be able to buy your drugs at a pharmacy instead of having to go out on the street and trust random dealers that their shit is clean. You should also be able to get help if you need it and not have to be afraid of being treated a criminal.
Of course, in turn there needs to be better drug education. Imo people should stay away from highly addictive drugs like heroin or dangerous substances like PCP. Prohibition doesn't work. Education is the alternative.
Also, more funding for research into medical applications of psychedelics (like possibly the treatment of depression), plus more research into the actual dangers of all of these substances. No more fearmongering.
I can consume alcohol and nicotine. I should also be able to eat shrooms if that's what I want to do in my spare time (especially because it's the saver alternative, arguably).
philip3001 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same, fuck cancer.
Sharsyed13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to live in a world where kids don't have to worry about their family going overseas to kill a bunch of strangers because a bunch of bureaucrats told them to.
I want people to be able to go all corners of the Earth and not worry about being unwanted.
I want world peace.
BlatirA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn straight
Dolon_Aristodemus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:40:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer. Or my lifetime's going to be pretty brief.
LongLiveArrowhead ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two MILFS making out on my dick.
Bmood1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 million miles on that truck
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just came from there lol
burgkm15 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% adult literacy worldwide. It blows my mind that there are 50 year olds who cannot read at all simply because they never were taught. Imagine trying to do anything on the internet and not being able to read.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's probably a large overlap in the people who can't read, and the population with no internet access
burgkm15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:19:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that's what I was getting at sort of. Really though, literacy + free and open internet for everyone would be a hell of an accomplishment for the human race
hellhound014 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of us to get the fuck along already
fatclouds69 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:58:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens ๐๐ผ
FrybreadForever ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:01:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we are eventually nice enough to each other so the Interstellar Space Beings finally so "Okay, now we will say hello!".
orionsbelt05 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:06:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I won't live to see the actual terraforming of Mars, but I'd like to see it start.
saidA2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
youtube, : cbl mos 6581
type that on youtube
frivoluxo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for migraines.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:10:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United States running on power grid that is free of fossil fuels.
bonermoanr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:11:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A shorter workweek.
Gurthee ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:13:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact of any kind with an alien species/civilization.
chris2c2 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:44:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being a piece of shit to each other because of differences in religion, culture, or creed.
I'm not holding my breath.
Kisumu ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
xAaaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This man. We are losing way too many good people
katazar ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:08:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global abolishment of religion. This single achievement would largely increase the chances for nearly everything posted here so far. In fact, most of these would have been achieved long ago if not for the stunted growth of science caused by religion.
Lothspell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:20:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of governments and rulers.
Wow_Unique_Username ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:22:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Forest Gump 2
Gacode ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:27:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coconut Fleshlights
Donaldtrumppo ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:34:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Twelve fidget spinners spinning in hands, while dabbing, vaping, wearing a man bun and beard, all while on a motorcycle
HuracanCepeda ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We see each other as equals No more discrimination of any kind. A
kretsimthewhite ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:14:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide renewable energy.
hlopez003 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:07:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeach Trump.
Redmartian111 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:09:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see mankind achieve interstellar space travel in the coming years before my time is up.
DaenerysWon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:40:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Celiac's disease
Gramage ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:44:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent settlement on another planet. Mars most likely. Start off with a small base and keep on sending supplies and people until it can become self sustaining. I wonder if people born on Mars would grow to be abnormally tall due to the weaker gravity? They would for sure have a hard time ever visiting Earth. The Expanse did a good job showing this issue.
jamess12640 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:57:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
to close the youtube app and the music keeps playing
nickdromez ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:33:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion taking a back seat to science, cut the military budget by half and use the new found money for education and infastructure. I would also love to see %90 of vehicles be automated. Maybe that could reduce some of this traffic.
TheSandbagger ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:39:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. I always thought we'd have it by now lol.
maeschder ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:40:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lab grown limbs or alternatively, life-like prosthetics.
WisconsinExPat ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:41:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. Fuck cancer.
xoomboom ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:44:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure Cancer and HIV ...
Neosapiens3 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:31:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want an alternative to meat that doesn't involve animals living and awful life, maybe meat raised in labs?
idetectanerd ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:37:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not joking but world peace. no more terrorist, no more racism, no more riot. everyone come to a agreeable DMZ worldwide.
kunell ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:49:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colony on another rock. This ensures human survival for at least another billion years as we can just hop space rocks whenever we fuck up the old one.
MountainAshes ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 04:01:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinct species being brought back through science.
HardcoreHakken ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:21:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Nestle. Fuck that company
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pills to make my dick way bigger
MR_SHITLORD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
we will have good virtual reality porn so you can feel big dicks :D
elkabongg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mr. Trump?
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:28:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
102 pts in an NBA game by one player
rpgguy_1o1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
102 pts in an NHL game by one player
matthewbuza_com ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When Kobe got 81 it really showed it is possible in the modern game. I could see Steph draining 30 3's with some free throws mixed in.
SoSpursy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:29:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way scoring keeps increasing and the NBA keeps making rules to make teams stop caring about defense I think this will happen. New NBA sucks.
Vinnetou77 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 11:54:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars
HockeyCannon ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Vikings win the Super Bowl
Pockets713 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can get behind this one!
KingSosa300 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THIS YEAR. AT US BANK STADIUM
Wackyvert ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanly possible. come on
Grasshopper21 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 14:53:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self Driving Cars, Free education, Resurgence of the Middle Class. All achievable within 10 years if we stop letting corporations dick people over for the sake of profits.
TomBonner1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Healthcare in the U.S.
Eivetsthecat ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:23:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The destruction of white supremacy, racism and bigotry.
friedzombie456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You think too small, every culture has bigotry in some form.
Topyka2 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:24:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death of capitalism.
Mage189 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:21:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to all religion.
Christbi2 ยท 49 points ยท Posted at 11:40:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cannabis is legal worldwide
Barack-YoMama ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 13:02:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read it as cannibals and was concerned for a second
Cherpyderp ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:26:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That sure would make dating a crapshoot.
elapid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:23:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is legal in many countries.
Of course murder is still illegal but it is not illegal to eat someones arm with their permission if they lost it in an accident.
ThisisGabeB ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:24:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alcohol isn't even legal worldwide. You'd have to get through a lot of other humanitarian problems before weed.
m0rkish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there are a lot more points on the side of alcohol prohibition than weed prohibition.
Why should alcohol be legal if weed shouldn't?
ThisisGabeB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what I'm saying at all. I have no opinion on which should or shouldn't be legal. Alcohol is more world wide accepted drug and it is not even legal everywhere. So why would we imagine weed becoming legal everywhere. My comment is about humanitarian rights, not which drug is superior.
m0rkish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:09:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand what you're saying but, my point is that countries may have pretty solid reasons for making alcohol illegal, whereas weed doesn't really have any legitimate points.
CapoFantasma97 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As long as it's for medical purposes, so not smoke.
Tobacco is already a terrible dependency, passive smoking is shit, and we also don't want a lot more drugged people driving than there already are, yes?
SimonFench ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand the relevance between tobacco, and Marijuana.
CapoFantasma97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a kind of comparison based on how both, when smoked, cause: an habit and dependence (even if a true dependence with cannabis has less chances of happening), serious health diseases (despite common belief, even cannabis has a very similar impact when smoked, notice the keyword here), passive smoke for the people near you (which is a very serious issue that smokers hardly care about).
SimonFench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can definitely develop a dependence on marijuana, but it's all mental. Even cigarettes are 99% mental truthfully. However the urge to smoke marijuana (I say this as a former cigarette smoker, and off and on marijuana smoker) is 1% of that to smoke a cigarette.
I was with you until here. Yes smoking is bad for you, but walking by someone smoking a cigarette is not going to hurt you. Full stop. Being in a closed room with people smoking can damage your lungs, not in an open area.
Anyway I agree about the smoking part overall. It's not good for you, and that's why I recommend a vape pen for weed. Edibles are even better since they taste great.
CapoFantasma97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:12:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is, if you take for granted that you are always going to pass by or not have much exposure anyway. In reality, there are plenty of ways to get good amounts, like waiting at a bus stop, or at the school entrance, etc. There are plenty of factors that make passive smoke in open areas harmful and how much. And not always you can "escape" from it, while otherwise forcing non smokers to move out of that human chimney.
Actual studies show that even outdoors, passive smoke is harmful http://news.stanford.edu/news/2007/may9/smoking-050907.html and https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/1205806/
Overall, it's bad for everyone that form of ingestion.
Memory_holy_fire ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or you know fuck off with telling people how to live.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The wellbeing of our societies relies on the moral choices of every member.
marx2k ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:01:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Morality is subjective, so that doesn't work well
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You stupid fuck
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 13:08:03 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The morals of a given society, however, aren't. Maybe your morals say it's okay to rape and steal, but if you behave that way as a member of a society that disagrees, it harms it.
Memory_holy_fire ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:44:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is cannabis ingestion a immoral act?
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 16:07:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Memory_holy_fire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:20:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes. Jesus drank wine but wasn't a drunkard. A very fine and personal line.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:32:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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nkduke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because you have an outdated and frankly offensive opinion on weed.
CapoFantasma97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:31:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Memory_holy_fire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weak.
You do you until it effects me.
Awesomebox5000 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:35:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smoking is a perfectly legitimate ingestion method for [medicinal] cannabis. Sure, there are some downsides to smoke inhalation (in general) but compared to the side-effects of all the medications advertised on TV which are somehow perfectly acceptable, the side-effects of smoking cannabis are minimal. Humans have been safely smoking cannabis for ~5,000 years without a single recorded death and we have much safer and more effective methods of ingestion available now.
bluew200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.TZauYM6yZ
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 13:47:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To leave off eating animals.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:53:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Quesamo ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:55:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a couple hundred years late, there
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:01:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Quesamo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The US. I assume that's what you meant.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Quesamo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not slavery, it's called taking responsibility for your own actions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Quesamo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That constitution says a lot of weird shit
Idiotgirlfriend ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:55:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working socialism with a happy general public.
Mythical7Ninja ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:10:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% switch to renewable energy and the reversal of global warming. A guy can dream...
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removing a coke-addicted orange from access to the nuclear football. That'll be an achievement.
kjvlv ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:52:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no war. My kids have never lived during a time where America was not at war with some body.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:08:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kilour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy gets it. Only thing I would add is the new technology that allows us to travel to other solar systems within hours or days.
elgigante810 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fully functioning sex robots!... enough said.
I would also like to see humans either walking on other planets or colonizing the moon. Any one of these achievements would be a great step for mankind
Guardiannash ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoting... For the planet stuff...
Flyer1971 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:56:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upvoting for the freaky sex-robots!!!
Jeanniejayne53 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:38:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solve climate change
Rierais ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 21:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal guaranteed minimum income for every human
Wawgawaidith ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:59:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to talk with my dog. NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me mentioned that technology is about 10 years away from this. A group is already testing the stuff on prairie dogs.
Edit for link: Psychology Today link
cryospam ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:04:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see comprehensive healthcare provided as a human right in first world countries rather than a private service.
MacTennis ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Yeah fuck second and third world countries!"
cryospam ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See, there is a legitimate argument that second and third world countries do not have the infrastructure for something like this. That argument isn't valid in first world countries. Although, in concept, I do agree with you.
Gravitationsfeld ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:52:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is a right in most first world countries, just not in the US.
GreenGoddess33 ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 12:19:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weed legalised internationally
bluew200 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:36:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://mic.com/articles/110344/14-years-after-portugal-decriminalized-all-drugs-here-s-what-s-happening#.TZauYM6yZ
nkduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit that's fascinating! I didn't even know this happened. Thanks for the example for future arguments with people like u/356afan
bluew200 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:29:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Note the age of it, its written 2 years ago, and no mainstream media have EVER talked about it.
I wonder why? :S
nkduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So wow it's been 16 years if not longer. That's fucking nuts. Good on them, helping people should be priority number one, not feeding a privatized prison system.
[deleted] ยท -27 points ยท Posted at 14:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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bigblackkittie ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 18:00:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
rude
Jeditard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We need to legalize and tax it. It would fix many of the world's environmental, economic, and crime problems. You are sadly misinformed and malicious. I will not pray for you, I only hope you do not procreate. Good day sir!
Mc-Dreamy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, all those things happened with the legalisation and taxing of tobacco. Not sure if you're really this thick, or just pretending.
bigblackkittie ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lmao
356afan ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 15:05:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And an automatic death sentence to users. Have to clean out the gene pool of the losers.
SimonFench ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:55:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd be surprised how many successful people are potheads. Marijuana doesn't make you a loser, it only helps you become more of a loser if you already are one. I'm a successful pothead, and so are most of my friends.
In short, your argument is a fallacy.
steelersman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Marijuana itself doesn't have to destroy your life, and I've seen some potheads turn out to be high-functioning, but I've seen many more become just blobs
SimonFench ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like I said, they're blobs because they choose to be. I got stoned as hell last Saturday, and built a car port. I would have done it with or without the weed. The blobs you know wouldn't have done it with or without the weed.
356afan ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 20:42:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really. You chose to be a pothead, hence you chose to be a loser.
SimonFench ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:49:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easily the most moronic response you could have come back with. Either that or you're doing a great job at trolling.
356afan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How so? It adds up perfectly. Do drugs = stupid decisions. make stupid decisions = not very intelligent.
SimonFench ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:42:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I went through your comment history to see if you're a troll, and you're not. You are however much older than most people on here. I won't call you unintelligent since you stated that you taught at a college (assuming that is true), however your statement about marijuana is unintelligent, and outdated.
When you say things like "drugs = stupid decisions", I see "I don't know anything about marijuana, but I associate it with hard drugs". The war on drugs indoctrinated the generations before us, and unfortunately it stuck with most.
Next time you see someone drinking a beer, remind them that "drugs = stupid decisions". Since, you know, alcohol is a drug.
nkduke ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:04:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's no arguing with people of his mind set. Their set on controlling what individuals do to their own bodies. I bet this dude is a pro-lifer. We're all wasting our time with this relic of a bygone era of thinking.
SimonFench ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:07:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well that's why I said outdated. I won't say dumb, because they may have been smart in their time. The indoctrination is heavy though.
nkduke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yeah I'm sure this dude was loving his high horse 20+ years ago but now he's just embarrassing himself, and it's great to watch.
Edit: but also saying that all pot users need to be killed is absolutely asinine and should lower the amount of respect we show this elder.
SimonFench ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:21:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh damn that was this guy? He didn't teach at a college. No professor would ever say anything so silly. Thanks for pointing that out.
nkduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah this guy's just a small minded and quite frankly rude. No need to waste action potential on him.
356afan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, I'd ban tobacco and alcohol if I could. So many alcoholics!
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aren't people like Matthew McConaughey and Paul McCartney notorious potheads?
skullbeats ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:19:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok then Rodrigo Duterte
nkduke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:55:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I smoke pot every day and work for a pharmaceutical company in a lab and am college educated. What makes me deserve death because I smoke pot?
Indiana__Scones ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:22:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm an astronaut and I wrestled a space bear
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But were you high
Indiana__Scones ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:17:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
of course, I smoke pot every day
356afan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well obviously you're not that smart since you're smoking weed.
nkduke ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:56:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How does intelligence and weed smoking correlate? I don't understand the point you're trying to make. The point I'm trying to make is get off your high horse and stop caring what people do with their own minds and bodies. That shit has nothing to do with you or your outdated opinions.
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:29:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Neigh, maaaaan."
I used to be one of those people that thought this, but it's pretty apparent that stoners aren't automatically lazy, stupid people. There are tons of potheads that are completely functional and even successful. The stupid, lazy pothead stereotype is outdated.
nkduke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I'm glad that you kept an open mind. I have met a few of these stereotypical people, but the amount of functional stoners I know is staggering. Some of the smartest people I know smoke, just like that dude in Road Trip. Success is measured differently by different people.
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What really made me aware is how many successful and talented people smoke weed. The people I know are generally lower middle class that are relatively successful (full time job, mortgage, married, one or two kids) but there are tons of wildly successful people (rich) that partake in the devil's lettuce. It's just a matter of you controlling your intake, just with any other drug.
nkduke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly. That's middle class success is what I consider success. I wouldn't hold my standards of success up to anyone else's because that's unfair because we have different standards.
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep. If someone has a roof over their head and three meals a day, they're successful. There are many people that don't have this luxury. If you're happy, that's successful.
356afan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It affects me when I have students come in stoned and think nothing of it. Love that they DROVE like that.
nkduke ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:46:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ehhhh when I smoke I'm a better driver. More patient and cautious. Sober I'm the opposite I'm aggressive and impatient. If you're tolerance is high enough aka you smoke a lot it's not as debilitating as people make it out to be. If these kids are high schoolers or first time/early smokers then yes they are very dumb. If they are experienced adults it's none of your business.
digitalblemish ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 13:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of wage-slavery
wpiman ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 13:57:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A comment of mine getting Reddit gold..
sap91 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:59:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/negativewithgold
wpiman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:18:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Went positive. Have to downvoted myself. Thank you kind stranger.
sap91 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:24:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've changed my up to a down for the cause
kerbalspaceanus ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:22:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hope I brightened up your day!
Theleprasean ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 15:47:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try. But not good enough.
Redditornumbertwenty ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looks like it was good enough.
Theleprasean ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well shittttt
NachoftheMach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:19:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey if it can work for them it can work for me, right?
Ujio2107 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:01:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I so wanna give you gold
Ujio2107 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rip
skullkid00 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:27:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Android sex robits
Squidgeitdobbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which would be better though, Android or Apple sex robots?
skullkid00 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If its apple, you're stuck with how it is though.
Draxar112987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice response lol
Free_From_Compulsion ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 13:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For Irritable Bowel Syndrome to be cured.
devast8ndiscodave_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:31:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of corporations and governments.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a natural part of the human condition. Social hierarchical structures are hardwired into our genetic code, so it will always exist in one form or another.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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nitrochemist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same here buddy :(
logatwork ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:52:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of poverty, famine and misery. But I dont get my hopes up.
Klyto ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:52:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Steps toward a truly Eco-Friendly Earth
Amagora ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a flag that represents United Countries and the declaration of piece under one Earth. Although peace is an idealogy and a lame answer. I just want to see people finally come together and realize we only share one planet together, and that we should learn to live on the one planet we have and move on to colonize others.
pugspacepirate ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:02:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The species moving to a plant based diet and rejecting the animal exploited agricultural destruction we are forcing on the planets inhabitants. Oh,and some population control would be nice.
pinilicious ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:11:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see flying cars be the normal, like on The Jetsons.
grundlemugger ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:23:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Destruction of capitalism and focusing on the human race as a whole not money
DaemonTm ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The destruction of capitalism
420Shagrat ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:20:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of capitalism
Kathas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's closer then you think
xkierie ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:40:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want humankind to be able to read a post about someone's bad experience with making love to a fruit and to collectively be able to decide to not do the same thing.
leadpainter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think think the coconut is a seed
NitroBubblegum ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:16:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for coconut fucking..
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:40:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have seen three comments about coconut fucking in this thread alone.
There is no escape, is there?
ToiletPaperPringles ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:45:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this might sound harsh but I just wanna see the fall of USA, they have caused so many atrocities and the government needs a reset. Not trying to cause arguments
ApolloniusDrake ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:26:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see the fall simply as a major historic blip in time. Like the Roman Empire. However as a Canadian I think the immediate economic backlash of the fall would be terrifying for much of the world who trade with the U.S.
krampusatemykitten ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:45:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lool, dude China is sooooo ready to slide all up in that.
Jonesyonex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:44:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you an American? Interested to see where you are from.
amboyscout ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am and I agree to an extent. In order for it to work every major corporation in America and every form of government would need to fall.
ToiletPaperPringles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already know Iโm going to get shit for this but me and my family are from Iraq but I was born in England
Jonesyonex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I think that gives you a great world perspective. Interesting to see how other people view things.
ToiletPaperPringles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What do you mean?
NotwankdsinceNAM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to think this too, but then who would take over as the world police? Id rather have america than russia/china.
Make no mistake, everyone wants power. If the USA fell tomorrow, the boarders all around the globe would change.
Jonesyonex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm interesting thought about the borders. I am American as well, and I'd rather live under American rule as opposed to Russian or Chinese also. Although, wouldn't mind Canadian government taking over America though. NHL games would be SICK.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:59:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There always has to be a superpower in any specific area, or in the whole world . That basic rule of geopolitics shall never be broken
If the USA falls, others will take its places in its subregions or another country will take its place in the military superpower position . It's the same shit with the lich king in the warcraft saga
Gothams__Reckoning ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:26:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of North Korea.
SirTyrael ยท 25 points ยท Posted at 12:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The removal of central banking and the imprisonment of the Rothschild's for crimes against humanity ๐ค
Memory_holy_fire ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My man!
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:24:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Central banks are a fucking parasite.
severed13 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:01:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Rothschilds are fucking parasites
Phatbottomgirls_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I.E Jews
PunktualPenguin ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 12:10:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Single payer healthcare, that has two responsibilities to its patients. 1) the highest level of care possible. 2) keep costs as low as possible. They never would need to worry about turning a profit for shareholders or how to market crappy plans as if they where gold standard.
Someone take on the real estate lobby and win.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:14:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be swell.
WingedDante ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A woman on a date picking a restaurant the first time you ask her.
Back2Bach ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 12:10:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer.
CoDe_Johannes ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 14:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The definitive eradication of communism in the world
gpl999 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:13:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe you're being downvoted. Millions suffered and died because of communism.
NebulousTranscendent ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:32:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millions more die per year from capitalism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnIsdVaCnUE&t=2s
gpl999 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:32:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Must be all those capitalist labor camps and widespread famine happening in capitalist countries.
NebulousTranscendent ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:43:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know you're being sarcastic, but that's exactly what does happen under capitalism.
If we go from the basic position of capitalism being private ownership of the means of production and distribution based off profit rather than need. Given those starting points it is inevitable that people starve because it's simply not profitable to let poor people have food.
Enough food is produced in the world to feed everyone, yet there are famines every year. Take the famine in Bengal, which was one of the worst in history, yet completely avoidable because the British needed to fight WWII. Speaking of the British, they were the ones to invent labour camps. Whilst western capitalist countries may not have famines (largely due to climate) they certainly cause famines in other countries, or are they just not capitalist?
CoDe_Johannes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've argued with enough communists in my life, I've seen them starving, no medicine, no food, no nothing for them or their family, just a ticket in their hands to pick up whatever the government wants them to have... and still they pump their fist up proud of their archaic and incoherent arguments.
Communism is a disease, a mental disease.
marx2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You probably should've said this first so I'd waste less time reading your comment
mikepictor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Millions suffered because leaders used the appearance of communism to effect brutal dictatorships.
It's not really the same thing.
hlessiforever ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:39:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most recent statistic I have seen is that capitalism has caused upto about 1.6 billion deaths over the past century or so via instigated conflict (The CIA backing insurgent wars in central america to overthrow democratically elected socialist leaders), private companies organizing against unions to the point of assassinating union leaders and attacking workers demonstrations, to starvation and death via thirst thanks to artificial scarcity (the most prominent example I can think was the Irish potato famine). Stalin was horrible, Mao was horrible, so is Peter Brabek the ceo of Nestle, who said Water is not a Human right. There is nuance to everything, I am not a communist, I guess if anything I'm a rational egoist, but capitalism has been just as bloody as communism.
Mini edit: when I have a free minute I'll find the article I read months ago about this. I do not want it to seem like I'm pulling things out my ass.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:24:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
K
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:10:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
The_Flurr ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:44:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not arguing for or against communism or capitalism here at all but I want to point out. There's no page for mass killings in capitalist societies, but that doesn't mean they don't exist, plenty have happened, it's simply that they're less notable because communist regimes aren't as common as capitalist societies.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough.
king_nothing_ ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:06:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't have a right to have water given to you by someone else for nothing. Sorry not sorry. Just because you need a thing doesn't mean you have a right to coerce someone else -- who obtained, purified, stored, and dispenses it -- to gift it to you.
There are two types of rights, philosophically. Negative rights and positive "rights". Negative rights are those which come merely from others' inaction. We have the right to not be assaulted, to not be murdered, to not be coerced, to not have our property stolen, to not have our speech silenced, etc. They require no action from anyone else, merely inaction.
Positive "rights" are those which require others' action. They require other people to provide something for you. A "right" to water, or food, or healthcare, or education, etc. requires someone to be coerced into providing it to you (unless both parties voluntarily contract with each other, which is obviously not what we're talking about here).
Notice how negative rights don't conflict with one another. Notice how every single positive "right" conflicts with one or more negative rights (coercing someone to provide you something conflicts with their negative right to not be coerced). That's how you know they're completely illegitimate. They aren't real rights.
pdrocker1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:57:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And how many has capitalism killed? The largest number I've seen killed by communism is less than the number capitalism kills every 5 years
alexkwong1990 ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:51:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gay marriage are legal all over the world!
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:14:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First we need to outlaw this kind of grammar murder
gpl999 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:12:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lot of work to do in the middle East...
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's all?
alexkwong1990 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โ๏ธ
Munninnu ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:21:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial sentience.
cmc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 11:23:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On the other hand, that scares the shit out of me. I hope I die before that's widespread.
Barack-YoMama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:30:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry, you'll be dead once that becomes widespread
Lawsoffire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or exist till the heat death of the universe in a perfect Utopia.
Live forever or die trying
dabmg10 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:17:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why? do babies scare you as well because the fear of AI is ridiculus is no diffeerent than a new person being born. the biggest fear I have about AI is the polititions and religious fanatics who would prevent it being recognised as a real person. Most likely rtificial sentiance would come about through some sort of copying the way the human brain works so its initial intelligance would be that of a baby or mentaly challenged person. I would riot if someone tried to kill it because the advent of artifiacl sentiance is a beacan of hope to me as it could lead from creating a mind to copying one. An AI could survive things no mortal body could so we could begin exploring the stars even if it would take forever.
cmc ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:21:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, you think a human baby/thinking about the advancement of the next generation is the same as AI? That is a very strange position. I never said anything about killing or denying sentience of an artificially created being. Also in my opinion, AI exploring the stars is not the same as humanity exploring the stars. We would not be the same beings.
MjrK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:29:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, if they share our morals and our goals, and they help us to advance our interests - I'm not really sure what justification anyone would have to say they are not the same.
If the "person" on the other side of the phone helps you figure out that transaction on your credit card statement while the "person" side-chats with you casually about your weekend plans, what basis do you have to prove that it is not the same "being"?
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the problem. Humans don't all share morals, goals or interests. What standard would you apply? And are you even capable of enforcing standards on a more intelligent being? We can't even enforce it on lesser intelligent beings.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, when it comes to disagreements, this is why we have a legislative process and we write laws to express precisely which things we agree are OK vs not OK.
The law at least. And I certainly feel a greater human connection with other humans who obey some non-law morals, like: try to avoid lying, try to be kind to others, and keep right except to pass.
There isn't going to be some universal / perfect standard. But, the extent to which the entity's set of standard aligns with my expectations is the extent that I feel we share a common vision for the world.
We are able to make a reasonable effort to enforce them. But it might try to find loopholes - just like human-level intelligent humans already do. How is this any different?
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is that we already have these same huge problems in the human condition with morality, agreement, laws and cooperation.
And you want to introduce a higher intelligence created with these flaws that we already have no solution to? The difference is that it will simply destroy us. The behavior and processes of a higher intelligent being would be, per definiton, outside of our control.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes; because such systems can also help deal with some challenging problems.
Let's not mystify the concept of intelligence as if it's some kind of magic voodoo. Intelligence is an extremely useful tool, but it is not magic.
Collect together as many people with IQ 160+ to work together. By definition, such a group of people is of far greater intelligence than any normal human population.
This group of extremely intelligent people would certainly make for a formidable adversary. If we tried to control them by limiting some critical resource, they might be able to find alternate ways to make more of it; or manipulate us somehow.
But, is such a group "per definition, outside of our control"? No.
And also, why should one even assume that they would be interested in even trying to destroy the rest of humanity.. they might find that they wouldn't benefit from doing that, they might actually find it morally wrong to destroy the rest of humanity, they might just find other pursuits to occupy their time, or they might actually want to help us solve the biggest problems facing humanity... since this is what we asked them to help us with in the first place.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well you are kind of making my point. We don't actually know what "it" would do. Nor would we necessarily be able to control it. Thus we have to somewhat relinquish control to an entity beyond our own abilities. If you are simply talking about a processing unit with incredible computational skills, that's not real intelligence. That is simply glorified supercomputer. I am talking about intelligence that is beyond our own. Abilities and knowledge above humans.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it does well on human IQ tests, demonstrates creativity and can communicate, then it is "real" intelligent.
Can you give one example of such an "ability" or "knowledge"?
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For one, creativity and communication are both incredibly complex abilities. We don't even fully understand either of them yet. In fact, we don't even understand a fraction of some of the communication of lesser intelligent creatures. So intelligence that surpasses our own in both creativity and communication, is almost incomprehensible. We don't even posses the ability to imagine it, yet alone design and create it. It's outside our paradigm.
dabmg10 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:03:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it not the same,would they not be children of the earth. Most people feel some manor of pride at worlds space exploration though they have nothing to do with it. Artificial sentience initially would be a copy of the human mind. If you could simulate a human like mind the next logical advancement would be to replicate a fully grown human mind copy a conciousness. A machine could survive much longer than a happy man could and would be able to survive the thousand of years long journey to another solar system. Unless some sort of warp drive is created that is one of the few viable ways to explore the Galaxy.
AllMightyReginald ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MelMes85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why do people care about this?
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial sentience is the atheistic/materialist version of the "second coming of Jesus"
Both will never happen
ImperatrixDemeritous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable commercial space flight
jose_conseco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wifi from satellites
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jose_conseco ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok I want free wifi from satellites that isn't just a satellite phone
unknownSubscriber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
unless you find a way to send information via entanglement, the latency would be be pretty shit.
ptword ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:06:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Negligible senescence. Discovery of extraterrestrial life. Relativistic space travel.
BonezDnS ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace... but its not going to happen.
ThatBriandude ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:41:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I cant believe I had to scroll so fucking far down for this
CMD_RN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It will be very peaceful when we destroy the planet and nothing is alive but tumble weeds
rukuus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:44:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Survivor: Rochester, NY
thelackofabettername ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:45:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, I'd just like to be happy in my life for once and for all, dont really care about the rest :(
LeftforLlama ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functional internet in Australia
chickenthechicken ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Afordable Immortality
Bloomhunger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:58:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enough automation, AI and distributed production to render jobs (and money?) irrelevant.
Qwawn72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful, sustainable, power producing fusion.
BrooklynNets ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:06:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decent, safe cure for baldness. I'm fine with the look, but hats don't sit well on me, and at this time of year the glint from my head is distracting.
Squishydew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:11:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to die knowing the earth isn't going to kill our species.
I dont care much if thats because of space travel and finding other places or by fixing the downwards spiral we're in.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:12:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curtis getting ely
_hp9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:18:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
Or automatic coconuts.
Dr_Gonzo__ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The annihilation of sucking-money laws in my country, but everywhere else too.
Seriously can't get on my bike and go without fear of doing a little mistake and a shit storm of police men following that.
Few examples: you slip on the road, even if you go slow (I mean, it could happen with a motorcycle) and you get a massive fine cause you lost control of your vehicle. And you could even say goodbye to the driving license too.
Having 0.51โฐ of alcohol in your blood on a 0.50 limit? Go fuck yourself you pay a fine, and a pretty massive one.
And FUCK those little pricks with radar guns hidden around the corner waiting impatiently to fuck you up.
MickstarJ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:19:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PM_ME_REDHAIR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I WANT TO SEE US HUMANS ACCEPT ROBOTS AS OUR OVERLORDS AND SAVIORS.
severed13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHY WOULD YOU WANT THIS ARE YOU A ROBOT OR SOMETHING (LAUGH.EXE) HAHAHAHAHAHA
MJIndian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:25:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is probably unlikely, but warp drive. It opens up a whole new area of space for us to explore that we could never see before due to technical limitations. Warp drive I think would also utilize wormholes if I'm not mistaken which would already be pretty cool by itself.
Ogdeluxe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space bars
severed13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Psst
Hey
Look at the bottom of the keyboard luv
/s
LukeInDenver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe, cheap removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere on a planetary scale.
EdwardScissorHands11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:30:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human equality, competition in the isp marketplace and healthcare that focuses on the health of the people rather than profit of the already wealthy. Aka; human decency... I'll show myself out...
mountjo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub 2 hour marathon on a record-legal course.
nikoloo4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:39:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more coal
MrTimSearle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:41:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decent economic model.
GWS2004 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace and equality.
MpMerv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing HIV
Dragonbahn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since everyone else said mars Imma say selfdriving cars.
Brohammad_Ali ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY SPACE COMMUNISM.
amiagrownupyet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:48:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see Chris Pratt and Anna Faris get back together.
Ayjlm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for baldness. No daily meds/routines, just a one time thing that takes care of it for good.
Trap_Cubicle5000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal comprehensive healthcare.
ggouge ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans living in another planet
Thrawner63 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing a manned mission on the Sun.
biscuit_and_jamies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:57:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To keep our streak of not killing ourselves by thermonuclear weapons going! We've done it before, we're (hopefully) doing it now. Good job eer'body :D
trajiin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having a Star Trek type of society, money free, with no hunger or poverty.
isync91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:00:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
our conscience transfered to machines
dogshitname ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:01:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
self driving cars being available so i can just relax when driving
ManiacalMusician ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:01:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global communism
NewGuyCH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:01:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To have some form of universal minimum standard of living. I'm on the waiting list for an IPhone 8 but kids still dying from not having access to water. I just picked out a magazine about golf clubs and some people do not have even the most basic medicine.
where_aremy_pants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:01:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to close youtube on an iphone and have it continue to play
Omnix_NerZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity. Then all achievements will happen during my lifetime.
TransitJohn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:03:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true antiviral cure for herpes. HSV-1 and HSV-2 infection rates are between 70-95% in the adult human population.
AshSnatchem ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:04:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more countries using non-renewable energy sources, and NOT because they've been depleted.
420dankmaymays ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:06:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
vicariousveitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see how far we can go with VR and AR.
VR has the potential to take over as the primary source of entertainment for the majority of people.
AR has so many applications in our world its crazy. Imagine wearing glasses that have an inbuilt interface that acts as your personal assistant. I feel like this is one of the most underrated pieces of tech out there, and may even have the potential to replace phones. Not straight away, with the way the tech is currently (see hololens), but soon enough to be surprising in the grand scene of things.
brannendickson18 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:11:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures for cancer and AIDS.
daniesza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An evolution of humankind's consciousness that peace is possible and greed is reptilian and archaic.
BTipold ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing aging
Demonteddybear13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does human extinction count as an achievement?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Demonteddybear13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well to be fair there is a rumor that it's worth 45 Xbox Achievement points.
FAT43 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telepathy
IGotSkills ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:15:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:16:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion. Food gets cheaper, internet gets faster, lights stay on longer, houses get cheaper to air condition and heat so windows get bigger. Rocket fuel gets cheaper. Traveling in cars gets cheaper. Shipping gets cheaper. Pretty much everything that requires electricity gets cheaper.
RheagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you live in Ontario Canada, the Liberal govt would find some way to spin that it's really expensive and f$&@ its citizens.
shane727 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The human achievement of using automation to eliminate the need to work. Unfortunately there's capitalism so we'll never see it ever.
anonymous_rhombus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately automation will save capitalism. There will still be a class that owns and profits from the robots, and the rest of us getting a basic income.
The alternative would be social ownership of the robots, where everyone benefits and classism is eliminated.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
humans landing on and colonizing mars.. which is a pretty safe bet if you live for another 20 years
BittersweetHumanity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See one of /u/MiscellaneousNachos 's shitposts become the most upvoted post on reddit
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Likely to Happen: Manned-mission to mars Not really Likely: Contacting other intelligent life Long shot: Immortality
GBACHO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion for energy production
Discens_Discipulus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:25:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A proof of the Riemann hypothesis.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing an incurable disease. Cancer or HIV, you know, whatever.
First manned mission to Mars.
The resolution of the North Korea situation.
Ask Ketchum finally wins a legitimate Pokรฉmon league...
MrNiceOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading conciousness to a computer, so that my lifetime doesn't have to end until I want it to. That way, everyone can see every achievement on this thread!
lunaraii ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Re-unification of North & South Korea
Sirius2294 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:28:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans creating a life like, self aware AI. It would change the world
LarsonBoswell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon landing is so 1969. I wanna see humans land on Mars.
Inb4 Uranus jokes (hopefully).
rangkloic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to the Riemann Hypothesis, Goldbach Conjecture, Twin Prime Conjecture, Collatz Conjecture, or any other Millennium Problem.
Gibsonsgibson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to see humanity unite before we ever start striving for peaceful relations with an alien species.
jeeps350 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
automated driving. the concept blows my mind. Going from NY to Fla without paying attention and how fast you can get there if you never have to stop if only for gas or a charge.
DonCumshot-LaMancha ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Return of the mammoth.
cultdust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
Ingino ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar human spaceflight.
sunsetphotographer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see cheap space tourism become a thing. I really want to go to space. Just low Earth orbit is enough.
MacTennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly what I want. I have a couple of main goals in life and one is to go to space
kjm6137 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel becoming cheap and commercialized after we colonize a planet (probably Mars).
TReXxOfDota ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Disarmament.
Picashi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum Computers
Nickoma420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relatively affordable commercial space travel. Go vacation on an orbiting station for a week or so.
SodaPop6548 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put a human on Mars.
NotYourAverageTomBoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interdimentional travel
MacTennis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I'd love to see this unfortunately we can't live out the show sliders as much as I would love to
NotYourAverageTomBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loved that show!
Rab_Legend ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:34:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold Fusion would be pretty sweet
FramesTowers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want /u/GeckoGary to reach 6 digits in that /r/circlejerk thread
pootrails ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
ikilledsuperman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GRRM completing ASOIAF series.
redcoatwright ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlikely but Space Elevator would be my only serious achievement I'd want to see. Once we have Space Elevator, all of our Solar System gets a hell of a lot closer to us (energy-wise at least).
Gingetti17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KOTOR 3
Shezzaaa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:39:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think George RR Martin finishing ASOIAF would probably be a huge achievement.
subtledeception ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
95% voter turnout.
y2k2r2d2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People not giving shit about Kardashians.
tylerb230 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I've already seen Rick Sanchez turn himself into a pickle, so....
WesStrikesBack ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for whatever ends up killing me.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:41:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end (or at least a significant dent) of political corruption, with laws that companies and politicians aren't allowed to change, ever.
poof312 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going net negative on carbon emissions. That way we know that we have left a habitable world for our descendants.
shelledpanda ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us all to unite together under the single banner of common humanity, and through that love, accept, and help each other in every endeavor.
prinzklaus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
Existenz17 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:43:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? Affordable full-dive Virtual Reality.
The possibilities would be endless. And not just entertainment. Also like wheelchair bound people could experience walking in this world. Or surgeons training a difficult surgery. So much to explore.
avec_aspartame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:44:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An effective, cheap, scalable method to pull CO2 from the atmosphere.
Burt_Maclin_FBl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:45:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely the cure for cancer. or at least better management for it. Obviously it has gotten better in detecting and improving quality of living for a number of them but I'm talking about all cancers. I get that it's probably unrealistic but things like pancreatic cancer or brain cancers. People can be diagnosed and pass away within weeks. It would be amazing if we would be able to prolong and improve the quality of life of those who suffer from it.
davidthecalmgiant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:46:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing Alzheimer's. Besides that, curing Alzheimer's would be nice!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love it
Lob-Star ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
drylube ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being cured of depression
SeafoamPup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The infrastructure (that already exists in developed Nations) to support global veganism and a dedicated effort to reclaim all the land destroyed from deforestation and animal husbandry.
Phantom-Space-Man ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
dontworryskro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a coconut that won't rot
YourOwnBiggestFan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:51:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see an ability to keep our current wealth and growth rates, and bring 1st World living standards to everyone, without putting an unnecesary strain on the enviroment.
lucaslikesmusic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a revival of the planking craze when I'm in my 80s.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The actual cure for baldness that isn't too expensive or crazy.
lefookpolice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:52:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How's about grownups for politicians?
rracwehttam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation of a human. Scientists have achieved teleportation of a sub- atomic particle but it would be incredible to see a human safely teleport.
OphidianZ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human biological immortality
babaroga73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace between nations and religions , and better distribution of wealth between haves and havenots. And not another child's tear ...
Is that too much to ask, god?
Or just - too soon?
miserax4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning people into pickles
nettlesmith ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of replacement organs that don't cause transplant rejection.
scigs6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A legit flying car. Not one that needs a runway. I want to take off from my driveway and fly to work
Cuish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could pull a Doc Brown and say "Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads."
Demojen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human biological immortality. You could still die from a car crash or diseases, but you will not die of old age. Your cells will not shut off and you won't ever get cancer. By the time human biological immortality is possible, cancer won't be a problem.
Cuish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scotland becoming an independent country.
loletos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:54:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding out that we're not alone in this universe.
BAAANEBLADE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Offworld colonies.
welsman13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Effective penis enlargement pills.
resplendentquetzals ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel.
I_Am_Not_Intolerable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offline raiding or griefing in online PvP games.
RudyRayMoar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
REAL ACCOUNTABILITY AND CONSEQUENCES for the folks in power. Period.
axdiva ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the Browns win the Super Bowl.
Draxar112987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd definitely would have to say, that would shock the NFL fans all over the world.
I'm from Ohio and I'm a Giants fan since I was a little boy. An Cleveland has always been a laughing stock imo. They lack poor management. They've had talent but fail to continue to build around or add to it to succeed in making a good team
Edit. One more thing, the Steelers an browns games use go be really good to watch.. However they've became worthless to watch. Not as good as they use to be unfortunately.
ToughBabies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People being able to discuss their ideologies without ripping each other apart. Politics being about what they're supposed to be instead of everyone having this identity politics issue that makes them think anyone who disagrees with them is evil. Just people generally being able to discuss their differences civilly.
NiceFormBro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal income so that people can actually do what they feel inside is there calling instead of just working a job that they have to to make ends meet.
earth418 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:56:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A VR Utopia, similar to the OASIS in Ready Player One.
Kumati ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:57:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact
Zarathustra124 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:00:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functional immortality, of course.
HoboYazan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense becoming common.
jewsif91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:01:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America getting affordable health care on par with the rest of the developed world's healthcare.
Soccerguy34 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although this is incredibly unlikely to happen within my lifetime, I would like to see a full AI takeover on all jobs along with a generous universal income. I feel this would actually allow for people to enjoy their lives and focus on what makes them happy, rather than working their lives into the grave.
Joeskyyy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:03:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans getting over each other and just existing together peacefully.
Bonefish28 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a man on mars! Since I was very little I loved astronomy and think it would be crazy to have someone on a totally different planet
nmycon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interplanetary travel
ExOAte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:04:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neuralink and Space colonies.
https://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long distance space travel and colonizing other planets.
Crazy_Space_Dust ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I need us to go to a different solar system and find even the smallest form of life. I call dibs on building the robot that goes there
kcinlive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality... Or at least long life extension. Just saying.
NickPickle05 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be awesome to see ftl ships before I die. Or teleportation. Space colonization would sweet as well. A space elevator would be cool. A cure for all disease would be fantastic as well as immortality. A matter resequencer would be the bees knees.
Artanthos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind uploading.
To live forever in virtual world of my own choosing.
locotx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you are doing that now
Artanthos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, but with a nasty countdown timer that I would like to get rid of.
TheStario ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercially viable spacetravel and the ability for persons to realistically own a spacefaring vessel, in the same manner as owning a house.
Unrealistic, but a man can dream.
kilour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Citizen, where you can live your dreams
TheStario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even that dream is far away, limited by the money I have to buy a proper PC and buy into the game :(
fr0st2k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People learning to think for themselves. To use critical thinking when they need to make decisions (and it become natural, not challenging). Not to be satisfied being a drop in the sea of others, but to challenge their potential and strive to not only HAVE dreams, but to pursue them.
iamnotmagritte ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first 500 year old human.
Artheth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobots, roll out
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People moving out of the fast lane
BantaBanana ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Travel, I'd love to see humans reach another solar system
QubeCat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:08:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Copulating with a coconut without anything going wrong.
GreenPebble ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:10:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wi-Fi across the globe
charliebrownisreal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:11:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People learning how to get along.
inthewaitinline ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
Dr_Jakeadelic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of a semi-self sustaining colony of humans outside of earth's orbit.
Oderus_Scumdog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All scientific baby:
Base on the moon
Manned trip to Mars
Fusion
krisntl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War-free.
darlas12four ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for diabetes so my boyfriend doesn't have to struggle everyday.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see humanity move past hating certain groups of people over things they can't change.
Wurth_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An industrial/refinery colony on the moon and/or work being done on a lunar space elevator.
evolverofeast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Human-me) extinction
LOLMENTRY ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to live and see most humanity live free and good although I know world peace is not easy I want to see as much countries agree and live in peace as I can before I'm moving out of this world
amaezingjew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:22:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty stoked about the first head transplant happening this year
menew100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:23:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological immortality.
GraspingItFirmly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:24:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully functional sexbot waifus
MatterhornHerald ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Average life expectancy grows becomes 200
Qynclericc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full VR, basically living in another dimension with endless fantasy worlds. Add brain extraction and immortality for the brain and you've got a real afterlife in VR when the body has died.
AlphaProfessor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spacecrafts that can travel the speed of light.
seditious3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Growing replacement human organs in a lab. They're doing this now using the donees stem cells, so no rejection. Is like to see it on a large scale within 10 years.
HeHateMe24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
zzulus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:26:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hate traffic and I'm waiting for Teleport.
whenismynamecool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:27:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone die by a sex robot. Then I'll truly know it's the future.
ilovevoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so death by snu snu.
whenismynamecool ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Electronic snu snu
Mandellaboys ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end to data caps.
another30yovirgin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just turn off caps lock. And num lock.
enigmaticeducation ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
steveAKAslick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer without a doubt, there's not one person not affected by it...followed by a human on Mars, that would be amazing
Asphyxiatinglaughter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel as a part of our daily lives
Joltbar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of another planet
whiteboytattooed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leafs winning the cup
PimpingMyCat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm torn between the "Cure for Aging" which would inherently also cure many neurological conditions, cancers, etc. AND Scientists discovering life on another world. I think this is an essential perspective humanity needs to evolve to another stage in society and may influence far more progress than even I can imagine.
Shodan30 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Direct Brain connection VR Pods. It would make retirement/end of life so much better to deal with.
caninedesign ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
artificial wombs capable of incubating a healthy human from fertilization to birth. No more babies addicted to fentanyl.
fenceloverfence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel like this is a long overdue achievement, the way humans reproduce is inhumane (pun intended:)
mnkprs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
big black hdhr fc
slardybartfast8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody is being very altruistic. Cures for diseases. Sustainable energy. I just want a teleporter.
JubaccaStu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man stepping foot onto the surface of Mars
calicomonkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A full VR version of the original X-Wing.
QParticle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remember that only 66 years passed between the first flight and the moon landing. I'd be overjoyed if that much progress on space flight occurred before my death.
Elon I'm counting on you
frankmacky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hyperloop.
ACuddlySnowBear ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful coconut nut-bust
Temperment ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of the curmudgeon boomers being voted out of political office.
kaaaaath ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars.
Like, getting there, I know the planet exists.
woodwender ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of corrupt prices due to monopoly, company greed, lobbying, etc.
skiboy625 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonization and inter planet travel
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widespread Intelligence. Seriously, our nation needs to step up and make an effort to educate ourselves about our planet and our role here. It seems to me like ignorance really has become bliss. I don't want my kids having to work twice as hard because my generation and the ones before me sit on our thumbs with logical and true issues right in front of us.
Coffee__Addict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. If I die before my mind can be uploaded to a spacecraft that will orbit a white dward star for the next 100 billion years with billions of other minds where we have power over own reality and the ability to visit each others realities, I will be pissed.
FattyWnnaCookie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's the half life 3 comment?
Beater926 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold Fusion
anh86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer and neurodegenerative disease are probably the two biggest non-lifestyle-related barriers to extending human life.
I'd also like to see breakthroughs in clean energy production (solar, wind, geothermal, nuclear fusion). I think that would have a huge impact on our world not just in preserving a livable climate but also in reducing conflicts over natural resources that may one day destroy the world. We don't really fear nuclear annihilation today like they did during the Cold War but all it would take are bombs in the hands of one crazy person with nothing to lose.
kellisamberlee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Existing digital, so that we can live in a virtual world after we die.
shibby258 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ample leg room on airplanes. In fact, let's just go with business class as the minimum standard yet only costing the price of economy.
And let's add scramjet engines to planes too.
Can open.... worms everywhere. Now let's add 30min check in for domestic and international flights.
And airplane toilets that are big enough.
Fuck it... free booze, an all live sports channel, a table tennis table, bowling alley, fairy floss machine, hot buttered corn-on-the-cob cart, JK Rowling doing a live read of the next Harry Potter book, exclusive movie premieres, pinball arcade, a recreation of the Globe Theatre, cute puppies and kitties to play with, and an unlimited supply of whoopee cushions.
Oh and seats that don't recline. Stop forcing it back and hitting my knees, you bastards!
That'll do for starters.
Mr_PetitJean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interplanetary travel and the colonisation of the solar system.
TheAlmightySquirrel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry if it's been said already but a cure for diabetes would be brilliant! Treatment has already improved so much over the years but it still causes so many issues later on in life
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Similar to what people have been saying, but I'd love to see the establishment of an international space program between the leading countries. Think NASA but between all the leading powers.
bluehawk197 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster Than Light Travel
sonicwonic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We find ancient life under what we think is the ocean floor.
Summitjunky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to Mars
MissNesbitt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure male pattern baldness for no reason and because it does not affect me in any way
swedash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain to new mechanical body transplant so that we don't have to die as soon. A girl can dream ๐ค
TheRilez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable nuclear fusion, hands down.
aezu97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People realize how useful/safe nuclear power is
StrawberryDiesel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George R.R. Martin to finish the last two books
Babelscattered ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resolution for Israel and Palestine. And a foolish part of me actually believes it's possible.
cajunjoel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism and misogyny.
TheHeroicOnion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GRRM finishing the books
AlpacaLunch15 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a cure for Diabetes (the autoimmune variety)
PanteraHouse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact with Alien life
wwetalkshow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want to see my kids have everything they need when i am gone.
bsegovia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The matter compiler. Dial up anything and it rearranges atoms into that specific configuration.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To see /u/GeckoGary hit the front page one last time.
steak_wellDone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want u/geckogary to reach 1099511627776 upvotes
DiamondKush69 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of the Islamic State would definitely be one leap towards whatever world peace we can have at this point.
YeeshInfection ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to extend the human lifetime
Jakesleah ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for type one diabetes. Would love to see my kids not need injections anymore.
onaeronautilus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of inhumanity. But i guess that won't happen until only one of us is left.
ChrisR18t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator!
LoveHateDro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial immortality.
arunnair87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Europa mission where the robot is actually swimming in the underwater ocean. Whether life exists there or not is one thing, I just want to see us get under that ice and see what's there.
Dickofftojerk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a full length feature film completely made by a computer made by a human
DrySandPickle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of Mars
YeeshInfection ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting our brains in robot bodies
MortalMorton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:40:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of human trafficking and international recognition and enforcement of basic human rights. LOL.
hectorduenas86 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3 released
Lazlaza ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace including global disarmament. Seriously, there's no reason this isn't a reasonable goal, all people not to stop doing is being massive assholes.
light_in_da_dark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In America (Bay Area, CA) we are indentured servants because of the high cost of housing. The owners / banks have you by the wallet. A huge chunk of your life is spent throwing $$ into somebody else's bank account. I would like to see people working for other things in their lives instead.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avoiding the impending extinction due to global warming
WhalenKaiser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:42:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us start turning climate change around.
MochiMochiMochi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like a useful brain-machine interface that would free us from having to use any screens and keyboards. Information would flow from a continuous data cloud to your brain -- no more commuting, no sitting under florescent lights, no more 50 hour 'work weeks' in a shitty office. You, your brain, and the world. No limits.
FrenchAGD82 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human rights for all, general world peace or mutual understanding of differences, decreasing global warming. Thats three things, but, I think this could be a huge list.
JUCrumb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:43:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of organized religion and its stronghold on how Americans are supposed to live their lives.
BillOReillysAutoPart ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An intelligent and informed electorate.
Eforeio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man walking on the Martian surface.
Regantra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neural VR.
The pseudo-VR we have now would absolutely pale in comparison to true brain stimulation.
It's probably not going to happen anytime soon because we would need to basically know everything about the brain, and we know next to nothing right now.
yuhknowwudimean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide transition to clean energy
davwman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:45:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cystic Fibrosis cure for my daughter
LuisSATX ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stay put socks
Johnnyvezai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of all political corruption as we know it; a world where all governments put the needs of their citizens first instead of their own. I guess I can keep dreaming on that for now.
tylerray87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To get to a place where compassion eclipses all else.
beorn12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human colony on Mars
crelp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
global nuclear disarmament
okelleko ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable, high quality medical assistance for every human on earth.
ugotlittlefingered ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots like you can get like from Rick and Morty, or like from Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2.
Markual ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending racism
redditington19 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:46:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to transfer someones consciousness to a computer. so pretty much immortality but with a monitor
DerRobag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion Power
alexwasnotavailable ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Parkinson's. My father has it, and was diagnosed at a very early age.
fordyford ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality would be nice
DerRobag ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for AIDS and Cancer
rayden202 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding life on another planet
foxtailbarley ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
TL_Tedi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solve global warming.
sirguigui ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonization
Eforeio ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable space travel, always wanted to go to the moon.
Man_E_No ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If Comcast can go 5 minutes without fucking anything up on a global scale I can die with a smile on my face.
surreal_indian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not causing our own extinction.
roqueofspades ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holographic DnD!
URUSFLOW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:47:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual world peace
Seiyaxx4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only thing that I want is kiss my crush brenda If one day I achieve this I'm good
smg1138 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold Fusion
its-mers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
humanoid AI that can function as an independent member of society
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel. That would be neat
SciencePreserveUs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reasonably efficient sustainable nuclear fusion. Pretty much all energy problems solved. The only major remaining uses for fossil fuels would be for aircraft and plastics.
lqcnyc ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To see America become Great Again. Duh.
sheldonisautistic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new, free internet like the one Richard from Silicon Valley was designing.
moosickles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:48:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we all stop being twats.
Doakungfu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation and safe neural implants
monkamonk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not World War III
1andthesame ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:50:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The return of common sense.
leechlamp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering life on another planet and interacting with it.
chantaje333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to get out of YouTube app but still be able to play the music.
Wonka_Vision ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really, really want to find evidence of intelligent life (or even any life) in the universe. That would just make, well, everything worth it to me. It would change everything.
TerranceArchibald ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This may not be as grandiose as most replies, but boy would I love to experience full inmersion virtual reality.
weee240 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wanted to live long enough to see video games full virtual reality like that's of in the movie "gamer"
I would love to play games like that plus on games like PUBG I'd be fit as hell with all the running you do.
LaBwork_IA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Andre 3000 solo album
jaramac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For McDonalds to bring back the Szechuan sauce.
throwaway241214 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human Population Control, for the sake of the our species and our planets survival we need to regulate the Global Population +/- 2 Billion max - theres just too many of us.
Clean, fresh drinking water 3, Free efficient energy production
GilgameshWulfenbach ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This will seem odd but if sea levels are going to rise I want a network of channels dug through the african and australian desert to begin the process of making it workable land.
In fact I want to see this anyway
And then we could build sustainable cities where each city had a glass pyramid in the center that was a train station, and had solar panels
Dr_McKay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide sustainable energy use to overtake fossil fuels.
Amnetica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like my country and it's population to remember and be actively knowledgeable about History, especially of it's country. People act like they haven't experienced harsh ideologies and offensive material. I remember in the late 90's and early 2000's how everyone was freaking out over Rap and Eminem and such. Yet here we are, overly sensitive to every little thing. We're a sad pathetic populace sometimes. (USA)
Balboni99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A refrigerator that doesn't run out of ice.
MrGoatlord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Revert the damage we've done to the planet, or at least actually start on that road.
8asdqw731 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
complete eradication of religion
ilivedownyourroad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:54:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to improve the quality of life not just extend it as being old but I'll or in pain is horrible.
buttever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least in the USA, a shift to fewer standard work hours per week for everyone, including low-income, hourly, and salaried workers. Using our technological advancements and increases in productivity to give everyone more time to live instead of more time to work and produce.
ilivedownyourroad ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jobs for anyone who wants to work.
HouseTully ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:55:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eliminating gas powered vehicles. Making Solar/Wind/Water or other renewable power sources the status quo.
McVeeth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally getting rid of stickers that are impossible to remove from every day products. We've got a long road ahead of us but I do believe we can some day get there.
Dernroberto ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:56:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successfully fucking a coconut
scijior ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power harnessed by humanity.
TitaniumGoldAlloyMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:57:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
world peace. i know its a cliche but just stopping this madness. stopping weapon Production and stopping this power thirst. we are all humans and we all want basically the Same. trying to group People and killing each other for some dust and stones is stupid.
BigFlance ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big Bang Theory ending.
ddoubles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A virtual reality distinguishable from real life.
NotATuring ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain in a vat.
gsand56 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:59:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure to cancer. My family has a long history of it and I'd like to see there be something to cure it
kingofhobos16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual reality so good you can forget about the real world.
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
;_; me too
ChildishForLife ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation.
DigitalMocking ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:01:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending hunger. A man on mars. Curing cancer. Healthcare for everyone.
Tagasaki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whole world without debt. Persons and countries where everyone will no longer even bothered with loans.
DragonFarts76 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:03:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to slavery. It seems slavery in some form goes back to the begining of civilization. I feel we will never deserve to be called civilized as long as human slavery exists in any form. Unfortunately today it is one of the fastest growing black markets.
kevinternet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and unity
KineticPolarization ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real presence in space and on other worlds. Which is precisely why I chose the major I'm in. I'll help make this a reality.
LiquidAurum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and prosperity, as cheesy and cliche as that sounds, it really would be beautiful
katastrophe87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:04:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for MS - watched my Grandma go through it and must say it's one of the worst.
brodyisbeast101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitler is resurrected and tries to take over the world with his undead army. However, his plans are thwarted by Burt Reynolds. Seriously though, dementia, Alzheimer's, and cancer need to be cured.
_RickRlldGorilla_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Colonization.
treehouse1441 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
College Tuition and Books at a price where it's no longer an excuse not to go to school because of cost.
Something only slightly more expensive than the local public high schools to where no one leaves in debt. Leaving school $30,000-$100,000 in debt is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.
BlackMagicBeans ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mastery of the public education system, and availability to everyone in the world. Most of our problems would be solved if our basic education system actually did its job. The problems of the future will be better met by well trained minds.
ender_wiggum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:17:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good one. I think the interwebz will/have gone a long way towards this. The trick will always be getting people to want to learn.
The public system in the USA seems to be designed specifically to create adults who hate to read (among other things).
guillemqv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure of cancer and neurodegenerative illnesses
googley_eyed_cat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of animal factory farming.
etheran123 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable housing everywhere. As someone who is going to have to look into that market in a few years, it seems impossible for anyone to ever but a home themselves.
xeoron ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reach the singularity
ender_wiggum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We did, it's called the internet.
KoopaJoe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of smoking tobacco. My parents are both heavy smokers and I can see what it's doing to them in real time. Is not great.
Seagull84 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised no one has said it yet. FTL travel. Even if it was at the very end of my life, I want to die knowing Humanity spreads like a virus across the galaxy.
Either that or discovery of "eezo", so I can die peacefully before the Reapers arrive to harvest our DNA.
gatorson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:06:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, Elon.
Bigugs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For humans to realize we have over populated this planet and are slowly killing the thing that makes our life possible.
SillyGayBoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heavy fines for playing with a phone while driving.
Was hit 70 mph into another car by a lady playing on facebook. Has messed up my life a lot but there is gradual improvement.
Nicolai9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy with a better solution to mental illness of any form. Being able to see more in depth of what the problem is instead of throwing pills at it until it's "manageable" to live with
cervixbruiser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we can sustainably grow good to feed all the people in North America using farming and GMOs. We could help hungry people in most corners of the world by 2025.
Also, MJOLNIR armor would be nice too.
ebbu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want apple to go banckrupt. They are saving themselfs by investing in eth but they still deserve to go.
Austiniuliano ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removing money from politics. Do this and I feel we will make great strides in many areas
CreativeSparrow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avatar 2
Channing_Taint-yum ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for tinnitus. I was just a dumb kid always listening to music on full blast but would like to see our veterans getting treated for it first.
xx_deleted_x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the regret we will have for blindly & ignorantly pushing forward into AI. They will say "we should have known" & "if only we stopped back in 2017"
AModularBadger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars....red rocks bitches.
SpewGutzClothing ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning ourselves into a PICKLE!!
SkyR923 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
you okay?
hbabygirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the death of the two party system
JCelsius ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone has these deep answers and I just want someone to find Bigfoot before I die.
oldmanpotter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death of radical feminism.
CJMO1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An antacid that you only have to take once every week
aidviasnris ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, an antacid that you take once a month
CJMO1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not go all the way? One a year?
Polar_Bean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:13:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful manned mission to mars and back
blarrrgo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
elimination of student debt ;[
SandmanD2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Light speed travel.
nikkyforeva ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe and affordable flying cars
ScarletSilver ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:14:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion as a viable power source.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:15:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be able to download my brain.
I believe this is how humankind will achieve immortality. If I can store my memories, personality, etc on a jump drive and then transfer it to a machine or synthetic human body, then I am effectively immortal.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the ability to turn man into a sentient pickle
Tofflee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna see people be genuinely happy
IcarusBen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Sweden and the reunification of Denmark-Norway.
HickorySticks_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A population of at least 10k on the Moon.
PattyQuake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feasible (imo): 1st world countries breaking dependency on fossil fuels. Cure for a debilitating disease (cancer, Alzheimers)
Less Likely but plausible: moon colony Nuclear fusion
Hopeful wishes: teleportation "immortality" World peace
EDIT: affordable Cybernetic implants
Ipecactus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elimination of poverty, disease and predatory capitalism. True AI Interstellar travel
I probably won't see any of these in my lifetime, but I'd sure like to.
jonaseriksson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Cure" aging because I want to see all of the other stuff in this thread too.
Nice_Melt_Pleb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for death.
Acrimony01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% diversion rates on waste. That means no more land filling anything. Perfect recycling. From paper to dog shit.
Monkeynadulator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the Babylonian money-magic debt-slavery system.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to live in a world where the richest people live in fear of the rest of us killing them.
Nakai-Son ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:21:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first human colonization in space or on another planet is something I've always wanted to witness/be a part of. Also, if there is other life in the universe, I'd like to witness humanity's first contact with them. Hopefully that is not the same day we humans go extinct...
GuyWhoSellsShit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on mars. Or just getting back to the moon and possibly setting up a colony.
In reality, just a consensus to refund NASA and get humans back in space.
hcrld ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:22:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of space, or at least the establishment of a sustainable population offworld.
I'm 17. Think about our level of technology in the 1950's. That was almost 70 years ago. What will the world be like 70 years from now?
pm_me_rugby9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator
md715fox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This so hard. That and colonization of other plants/moons/cellestial objects.
omgpick1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of global warming
sebastian7780 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technology to be able to convert the human mind into digital data.
kyeosh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean energy everywhere! A little settlement on Mars would be really cool too.
Km_the_Frog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unified Korea
SirGrandrew ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space travel. I want to set foot upon a new habitable world, just to say that I have seen the future of mankind- to spread across the stars. But I don't know I'll be able to see that beauty in my time.
shitty_estimator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power, the Riemann hypothesis, reversal of aging and universal basic income
ImALoneWolfBaby ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for MS. also a production car to hit zero to 60 in under 2 minutes...I think this will happen within 10 years though since the 918 I think was at 2.3 which is mental.
Made_in_Murica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light transportation. FTL means we have broken the bounds of earth forever and have essentially made our species immortal. It will mean that we have access to what is effectively unlimited energy. With unlimited energy we can create unlimited quantities of any element, we can solve all food problems, all medical problems, all economic problems. Unlimited energy means we're in a post scarcity economy. FTL would mean that our species would only be limited by the scope of our own creativity.
If we invented FTL, I could die happy
Two4ndTwois5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately, this is impossible by all current understanding of physics.
Divergent99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A woman president in the US.
IIngwaz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us trusting each other without any kind of doubt. Which also comes with a everyone speaks truthfully and from the heart.
With this, a lot of bad stuff would end.
TofuBurgerGoodFood ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing an active decrease year on year in emissions and a reduction in temperature due to a combination of renewable energy sources and carbon capture. The political infrastructure that would have to be in place to ensure that this would take place would be a crowning achievement in itself.
BRich1990 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:27:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death of Religion
Aloeofthevera ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full fledged nuclear power for space ships, cities, satellites - paired with the ability to utilize its waste to its highest potential and least amount of harmful waste.
I'd love to see biospheres on other planets created by us. We'd take animals from here and give them a new world too. If we're jumping ship, the least we can do is bring the whole crew with us and not abandon them.
It's not going to happen with poverty and different religions still being a thing, but world peace. I'd love to be apart of the human identity, not a ethnic culture or country. A group of individuals who have achieved prosperity and have used it to jointly aim for extraordinary goals. We should be aiming to expand into our galaxy and universe to explore its fullest potential
JmmiP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to aging. Then I'd be able to see any advancement I wanted
SpaciousNova ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Colonization, a space empire sounds so badass. Just imagine; The Galactic Empire of Britannia
JSMonnin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUNAR SETTLEMENTS.
originalmango ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:30:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free healthcare for all.
No more racism or sexism.
Ice cream trees.
j2jwd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The release of half life 3
Davld117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for tinnitus. Please.
MyRoar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for death. Specifically mine.
Alody44118 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eliminating the heroin dependency in people
destructuredchaos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:31:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
get rid of borders
sfielbug ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want my ex-wife to achieve a horrible, painful death.
TrueDope ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:32:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The global legalization of cannabis
Doncriminal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for depression
SevenAImighty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing Racism.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars. Space is cool.
Stonewise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide legalization of marijuana.
A-Curious-Duck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world free from fat people in addition to the creation of cigarettes/cigars that don't cause a thousand types off cancer, make your teeth turn yellow and mess with ones skin complexion etc... I simply love Camel Blues and American Spirit yellows too much, it's been a damn shame to let them go from my life.
Also the formulation of proper educational systems that nurture critical thinking, foster problem solving and harbour creative endeavours, maybe throw in some basic politics + health (physical/mental) + environmental awareness as these will surely become more important in coming decades.. Humanity really shouldn't waddle into the next century like a rabble of misinformed & uneducated sheep, little or no good will come of that.
JR_1985 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of the electoral college here in the states and universal healthcare like the rest of the developed nations
chaseinger ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
true enlightenment. supposedly, the age of enlightenment started to happen in the 18th century, and we as a society still believe in gods, angels, superstition, jinxing, luck and fate, plus we are still well too easily misled, lied to and victims of deception, marketing and spin.
supposedly we're enlightened for more than 200 years now, and on top of that we live in the information age. and yet, fox news is still very successful and we have someone who had lied himself into the white house.
so yes. please achieve some real enlightenment, humans.
Jesus-Allegory_Lion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robot cars.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dortmund to overthrow Bayern
simiAnd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:34:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There are too many (in no particular order, and, more importantly, not limited to), but hey, overambitious hopes, right?:
DonnieDon24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
axel2191 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:36:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable energy and food for everyone.
strider4214 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personal spacecraft (like serenity/millennium falcon sorta thing, like that you can live in)
TheGreatestUsername1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NK problem dealt with cooperation from other countries. The regime's leaders trialed and jailed for life and the refugees situation handled with care and re-education. It will definitely not be an easy task and will require a large amount of time to fully flesh out.
A-MinorBish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:39:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Designer babies and the ability to edit the human genome of adults as well without major side effects.
sykotyctendencies ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be great if assholes world stop driving slow in the fast lane
The_Man11 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reunification of North and South Korea.
Spugnacious ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel. Alternatively, some sort of wormhole drive.
Until we can travel to different stars, we are doomed eventually.
I_Tread_Lightly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of poverty via universal basic income.
SudoRmRfRoot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autonomous vehicles replacing all human operated vehicles. The amount of lives that can be saved by reducing auto fatalities is unreal.
Aemilia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income becoming a reality.
wavegodno1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of racism
ChiefSensei ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The nations of the world working together and prioritizing humans and our planet, before money and power.
Retnaburn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discover intelligent life on another planet and first contact.
Edit: Something more attainable though, smooth and fully functional augmented reality.
ethanw12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full immersion virtual reality. I want to actually live a video game not just play one.
Heckard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Occupying Mars.
global-indian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want borderless earth. Free travel access to all countries without stupid visa restrictions and other formalities.
RildotheCrafty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:41:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a trans-humanism revolution, similar to the Nat Geo series Year Million and get my consciousness transferred into another medium.
FranktheSausage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, we may all have different opinion on afterlife but living longer to experience other wonders that this planet can give you and to be with your loved ones longer.
carefulcracker5 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Becoming a multi-planetary species
Lord_Bloodwyvern ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonize another planet.
giottodibondone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality so we can do all the other things people said in our lifetime.
pancake_sock ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Hautamaki ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure aging. Once that's cured, my lifetime becomes long enough to likely see everything else too.
beccaroux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine are limited to the US: 1) Legalizing marijuana 2) Allowing physician assisted suicide so those who are in pain may die with dignity
Sif_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rick and Morty season 10
SnakeSushi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely a better education system, globally. In my opinion, The United States could learn a lot from Finland/Norway's education system
Castironman650 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People being decent human beings.
Geekronimous ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think we can live that long.
Castironman650 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's so easy but people just can't figure it out.
Geekronimous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never said it was hard tho.
sevilyra ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:45:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George R.R. Martin to finish TWOW. Series would be great, but I really just want this one book in my lifetime.
Barron_Cyber ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A moon colony and a Martian colony.
AnguryLittleMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to Mars.
Deathlysin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't mind gene therapy or nano tech that will help me past 2100 i'd love to see first warp drive in action.
ChowRunn3G0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:46:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically? An end to government and in turn a society that thrives off of contributing members.
Unrealistic. Half Life 3
Clbull ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Or at least a way of backing up your consciousness digitally
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality is achieved
SunshineAndRainboos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:48:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear war, preferably on the global scale.
gorgb23 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me finally getting on an airplane ๐๐
showri ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People not working for money. (Star Trek)
Biotot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space tourism This may be wild but when I retire in 40 years I'd like to go to a space hotel. Not expecting anything too fancy. Just a week in a space station with a great view. Hopefully space travel will be available to many levels of physical fitness. For my kids I'd hope they'd see more. I'm curious how 0-g retirement homes would work for the elderly if you didn't plan on returning to full g. Possible a small spin so they could live at .1g.
ThePenultimateOne ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:50:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lunar base. Seriously, its about time.
twistedsquare ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A competent, critically thinking and unselfish politician getting elected president of the USA.
nappingyak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump's name and family go down in history as the biggest pieces of shit in American History.
capitan_canaidia ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:52:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removal of Corrupt politicians who have interests of corporations before people
VoidInferno ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The liberation of North Korea would be a fine thing to witness.
elliemaeberry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decent health care in the US with affordable pricing. Including dental in that. I don't expect us to get back to a Single Payer system in my life time (I wish it would happen, though) unless Bernie turns into a benevolent Jafar and takes over or something, but decent and affordable health care of for EVERYONE in the US would be great.
Password_Loser ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unification. Our divisiveness is beyond silly now.
SpaghettiPunch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Also Cyberpunk 2077.
theartist63 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:58:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
POV Zero G Porn
Zarkovagis9 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First human on Mars
Zulu321 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL solved. Be it portals or dimensional shifts, colonizing new planets would be more PC than population limits.
TheRealWillFerrell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suicide booth from Futurama
IntheMiddlingWest ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:03:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global ethical business practices.....in practice.
Companies actually working for the mutual benefit of the company and the people.
RaikoNova ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sword Art Online
anacondatmz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of corporate greed.
Porasjeet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality either by stopping aging or by transferring our consciousness to a digital medium.
the-real-apelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe we did it already
Porasjeet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna be sure :3
el_robito ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for baldness please
R_Lupin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to heal brain damage, so I could feel my whole left side again, amongst other things
ballefleche72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:05:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete cure for baldness
aqueus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of organized religion/large majority atheism.
DankusMemus462 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR Porn
artveg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World wide veganism
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope
artveg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go watch paw patrol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go eat broccoli
wangsta98 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The loop 202 south mountain freeway in Arizona completed... this thing feels like it's taking forever.
Mrhavoc24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haha right? I think it's technically been worked on since like 2004. Meanwhile I-10 is now the bumpiest road in the state.
JaffGiraffe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:07:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
imhereforsiegememes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:08:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instant food machines like the pizza maker in spy-kids
GreenBarbers ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Linux Desktop Year.
turkeypants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The earth and internet are quietly scrubbed of all Kardashians and everyone married into that clan and nobody ever hears of any of them again.
FreightCrater ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see mankind achieve a sustainable, mutually beneficial relationship with the planet and every other living thing on the planet.
Lucifuture ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Mars. Cybernetic immortality all the way. Put my brain on a computer.
roguesoci ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The removal of Donald Trump from office. It would help literally everyone else's dream on this thread happen.
lanevo91 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading my brain to the internet
I_BlowsItDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okayyy... keep going....you have my interest
lanevo91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
forever watching cat/dog videos. lol
kitsch51 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dunk from the 3pt line.
claudiasu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer. Cancer took away my dad way too soon. He was always super conscious about his health, watched what he ate, and would exercise daily. He ran marathons, being the New York marathon his biggest achievement (in regards to running). He loved nature and taught my sisters and me to appreciate and respect wildlife. He was a geologist and besides his regular work at an oil company, he taught geophysics at the main university from my birth country (Venezuela). He was beloved by his students. My dad also loved everything related to space and astronomy and was a huge fan of shows like Star Trek, not to mention Star Wars. He was always in awe of technological advances, always trying to keep up with what was coming up, and never shying away from new technologies but rather embracing them. He grew up poor, so he would always go out of his way to help those in need, and taught us the importance to pay it forward. Prostate cancer took him away too soon when he wasn't ready because he just loved life. Cancer also took away my best friend, when she was just shy of her 41st birthday. She was the most outgoing, loving, and beautiful girl that would always look out for her family and friends. She left a 12 y/o and a 4 y/o by the time of her passing. There is not a day that I don't think of both my dad and friend. It's been three years and I miss them terribly. I feel like a have a huge void in my heart that will stay and sting me forever. I can't believe with all the advances in the sciences we still have not found a cure for this devastating disease.
MaxamillionGrey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regulations on population and child birth to the point that more people adopt. Sustainable energy to the point were no longer using destructive energy and fuel. A base on a different planet.
3rain3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see humans achieve rising above hatred! No KKK, No hate crimes, No Discrimination, No Alt Right groups! I know at least for the next 3 and 1/2 years that won't be accomplished but wouldn't it be amazing!
The_Gadway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that the KKK was founded by The Democratic Party, right? And you're acting as if it's the Alt-Right are the only ones committing hate crimes, hatred and discrimination.. Which yourself, is being discriminatory and hateful towards the right-wingers, quite sad. One way you could make the world a little more peaceful and less hateful, would be by accepting the fact that people will always have didn't beliefs and opinions from you, and how to live and attempt to understand why they believe that way, which you are failing in this field it seems.
And I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but, as long as man has free will, there will never be peace. And are you willing to rip everyone of their freedom and liberties, to try and achieve peace? Cause that's the only way to create peace, is to take away individual thoughts and freedoms. Talk about a crappy, dull place to live, if that's what you would call living, being a drone to a totalitarian state.
SumoSizeIt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rebuilding entire bodyparts like in The Fifth Element. With how far we've come with 3D printing in such a short time, what I used to brush off as scifi now seems plausible in the next 50 years.
Then again, so does Idiocracy.
Bowfry_Frenchtie ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:15:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans walking on Mars is definately something id like to see.
TheDarkRabbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Consciousness transfer and better integration of electronics with the human body.
tarzan322 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sending people to Mars. Unfortunately, this planet is becoming too small, way to fast for everyone. The human race needs to expand into space out of necessity. It's either that, or we wipe out roughly half the population to prevent mass starvation and famine that will eventually hit.
riechmann ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:17:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alchemy but hopefully don't have to trade it to save my Brother's life.
ioxon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get rovers on Titan (Jupiter's earth-like moon).
idontevenarse ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:21:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power and colonization of Mars.
soonersfan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Detroit lions making the super bowl. They don't have to win, just get there.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of the solar system.
UnitedCucksofAmerica ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the extinction of liberalism and "progressives"
Joe__Bob__57 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3 and beyond
PetaPotter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see aliens. Like I want us to be able to develop a telescope powerful enough for us to observe the happenings of a planet from afar.
infinitedubs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human extinction
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:27:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the wealth spred over 50% not 100 people.
EvilaCake ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cancer cure
taxgmj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:31:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
UchihaDivergent ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see not a single child hungry, homeless or shoeless.
Fournote ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inventing a machine that removes carbon from the atmosphere more efficiently than any plant. I honestly think we can do it.
ChundlerMark ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:36:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one and a half foot sub at subway.
Friendlyvoices ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel for all individuals. I want to see a world where everyone can hop on their spacecraft and warp to another Galaxy. Also, warp speed travel.
ScudStreams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for memory loss in the elderly
ChickenOfDoom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A living world RPG where every NPC acts based on dynamic motivations, all of them simulated in real time regardless of player proximity, and this is the core basis of the game rather than just window dressing.
unknownpoltroon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Practical Immortality?
RantAgainstTheMan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The elimination, or at least reduction, for the need for sleep.
UnapologeticAsshat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see self-driving automobiles become commonplace.
goldieluxe2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Incredibles 2
ImOnlyHereToKillTime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Viable nuclear fusion as a power source and the EM drive being actually used
jubgles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:38:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extraterrestrial life.
I'm not one of those nut cases who believes that "the government is lizards and are hiding aliens".
I think just knowing that Earth is not the only place with life would bring in an overwhelming desire to explore, and leading to scientific breakthroughs. I want to believe that the human race would benefit from it.
CDeruiter5963 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Establishing a Space Based Economy would be interesting. More specifically, Lunar operations. But a more immediate hurdle would be a working Fusion Reactor or other reliable and renewable energy source.
autistictanks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The warp drive
MaddChillz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion removed from all political offices.
balls_deep_inyourmom ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion. Hopefully one day we could just be a more advanced race and realize that all we need is common sense and respect for one another.
EpilepticAuror ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:42:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functional immortality.
Then I'd get to see everything else.
GladstoneBrookes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:43:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Windows updates that actually work.
Stevesaxewound ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greater acceptance of trans people.
SC_Shigeru ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to go to space. So basically, I want space travel to not only be accessible to the super rich public, but absolutely a part of life, such that things like space tourism are like booking a cruise.
browncoat63 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete switch to renewable energy sources- completely eliminating fossil fuels
Bot_on_Medium ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:44:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality would be nice.
Acrowe1002 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Letting Xbox and PlayStation players play online together.
puppymouth ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The brotherhood of mankind.
readit_ribbit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stability in world economy whereby homeless are significantly reduced..
is it count as human achievement?
CandiedColoredClown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully functional sex doll with realistic textures.
perotgrammar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:50:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same size dick for every man.
iamnotdaaan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just one word. Mars.
sniffles_snort ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The African Continental Renaissance.
iNomaD0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:58:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully-functioning augmentations. I want a zoom eye
bowlofsnails ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The forced extinction of mosquitoes.
Dyluted ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One world government..................................
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:00:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
szechuan sauce coming back to mcdonalds
Goldeneye62 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:01:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Formula 1 with a full on hot wheels circuit with loops and everything!!!! Would be freakin awesome!
roastedtoperfection ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Found the car guy.
Goldeneye62 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm just saying al the downforce on the cars of today it could take the sport to a new level. -Car Guy
DefenderRed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:05:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human colonization of our solar system. A unified world government or the beginnings of one. Slowing, halting, or reversing the effects of aging. Medicine advancing to the point of knocking out the most severe diseases and illnesses. Sustainable fusion power and the widespread use of it. An end to fossil fuels for transportation.
Too many to list out here. NOT an unrealistic utopia!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:06:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M A R S Mars bitches red rocks.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery and exploration of alien planets.
Greecl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A viable Mars colony, robust universal health coverage and care for >90% of the world's population, the eradication of the polio virus, 99% survival rates in cancer patients, flourishing post-scarcity states driven by good policy and great minds, reversal of the late 20th century global religious extremist movements, and the gruesome deaths of the global ultrawealthy class.
MichaelTen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see defeat of aging. It is possible to stop and reverse human aging, at least theoretically. The first human to eventually turn 1,000 might already be alive. Read the book Ending Aging by Aubrey de Grey and Michael Rae.
/r/sens
/r/longevity
DANGEROUS-jim ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:16:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The construction of a space elevator. I hope to contribute to that!
meowplusderp ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:20:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV/AIDS cured
KulePotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rick getting his szechuan sauce
agnelkurian ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make all religion subject to the laws of science. You are allowed to talk about the supernatural only as things our ancestors and not-so-educated people believe in.
normalsapien ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Cure or at least a treatment for crohn's/ colitus where the main side effects are not lymphomic cancer and death.
MultiAli2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:21:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to generate all human tissue for biomedical use. We've already grown limbs and lungs and the like, we just haven't grown everything yet.
obviouslyaman ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:27:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing aging.
Derpyspaghetti ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:29:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse aging. That way I'll see all the other human achievements.
Musicalmoses ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see women play Major League Baseball with men.
mikhailnikolaievitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthy cigarettes.
ChemicLs_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. That's all. No wars, just peace.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:34:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We solve the problem with aging and cancer so we can basically live forever unless we physically kill ourselves.
On top of that, being able to slowly replace our brain with electronics while keeping our original consciousness not making a copy.
Stevarooni ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:37:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 2 minute mile for running!
no2ironman1100 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:38:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me having sex.
What, I can dream ??
TheJohnMacena ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Damn this thread became super sad in a short amount of time.
MoonDaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upload my consciousness onto the internet.
ManOfLaBook ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:40:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We basically got almost all of the futuristic technology promised to us by Star Trek except teleportation - I want teleportation - beam me up.
jBozzi ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be nice to stop climate change while I'm still young enough to have children so that I could actually be happy to have children.
BlackSecurity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:41:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see this guys car reach 3,000,000 miles!
KidChemo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More Toilets in India.
DeaDPooLx97 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man turning himself into a pickle
Horsa ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unconditional basic income
VenusianMinotaur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carb free donuts and ice cream
TheRealMarkVanderloo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:48:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody here has any imagination. Cancer?? Duh. Nobody likes cancer.
I want bionic eyes that let me zoom in like built in binoculars. Also with night vision. Then you could pay a little extra for terminator vision.
abrachoo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:51:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for aging.
Skodenn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
jhoard214 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see Elon musk die on mars
BBW_Crew_Johnny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:56:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Halo movie with Samuel L. Jackson as Master Chief.
theafrodaddy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:57:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real 5G internet. 5G running from small satellite dishes on people's houses creating a gigantic network of 10+gbps connections would allow small startups of less than $200k investment to become new ISPs. The ease of becoming an ISP and the competition that would result would truly FREE us from cable monopolies. If 5G becomes a reality, we would pay less than $30 for a 1gb connection, 10ms latency and no data cap.
trekxtrider ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:00:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
aleks_406 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see people living on a different planet other than earth. With sustainable water sources and growing food for people to eat. Also liveable housing spaces. I think that would be so neat....
procrastination55 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for male pattern baldness, preferably as soon as possible.
joeblairs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The jailing of trump.
thetrueshit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time Travel. No explanation required.
CaptainFlaccid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3
Germizard ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:06:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fall of North Korea
xerxerxex ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Six Minute Abs
mtksurfer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Cancer. Even though there's one out there, but it's more profitable for large pharma company's to say there isn't l.
Gopherson ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A colony on Mars. It's so much more attainable than people seem to believe, not to say it's easy, but it would be the greatest human accomplishment, and I believe it could bring nations together in a way that we haven't ever seen.
jesabele13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:07:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing cancer.
Fuck you cancer.
qazmoqwerty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:08:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete overhaul to the school system.
Kuriositaet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fall of human made borders.
Amogh24 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmation of extraterrestrial life
BusDriverKenny ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better pay for bus drivers.
Facebook reaching 100 million genders.
Amazon drone delivery to my couch.
Cure for cancer.
Universal donut allowance for everybody.
Pick one.
composero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space stations that can house 100s of people without something horrifically going wrong.
mnm119 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A full-dive VR would be sweet
Soldierpeetam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:13:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've scrolled so far without seeing anything about humans landing on mars
bbytee ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:20:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind's first contact with another life form : it would be interesting to see how humans act collectively as an entire species
madmax2912 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:21:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well everyone thoughts vary, Well I want to see human kind achieve many unimaginable achievements in my lifetime,they are 1.Obviously immortality 2. Masses respecting classics 3. Rape as a rare crime, having the ugliest punishment of exile alone on pluto 4. Religion explain science and science explains religion completing a full circle. 5 . Quantum mechanics completed 6. Having a spacehouse for weekend on Moon๐
Flgardenguy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:28:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to choose between cable or internet providers.
BigToeHamster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing people as individuals. A person is a person. Discrimination had no place in modern society.
illDoYourSister ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:31:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easier access to an Education. No one should not be able to pursue their dreams just because they can't afford an education.
BeckWreck ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genetically engineered catgirls for domestic ownership.
cs76 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging. Essentially I want science to make us immortal before I get old enough to die of old age.
Pipes53 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End to racism.
kingjtw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A colony on Mars. Hopefully we're not far off already.
dioandkskd ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea become free or something like that. Open borders. Eradication of the camps. That stuff. I used to hope for things like exploration of our universe and such. Now i just want some kind of political calm. And a time where anyone can travel freely to see the entire world without borders and politics and terrorists being a block.
JENGIBRE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:42:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want a non-juiced player to break Barry Bonds' homerun record. its a long shot but it would be cool.
BabyDontDoMeLikeThis ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:45:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just one day of everyone not being a dick to one another.
straylyan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End to climate change. End of single use disposable plastics. A working system of UBA or similar.
BrazilianTinaFey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:46:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthy, nutritious food that takes like chocolate.
Or other yummy foods.
QWOPTheBalls ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:47:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a simple man. Immortality for me and my family. And death for everyone else.
themightytumblar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is the start of a space opera where you each rule disparate galactic empires bent on finding ways to finally kill each other after the last time she wanted to watch that one rerun of Friends and you wanted to just stare at the black screen drinking a beer.
Kilovice ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:51:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd like to see fully functioning biotic replacement body parts. As of right now there are some out there, however many lack things like the ability to feel.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Algae that produce carbon neutral gasoline.
ANormalSpudBoy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:58:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see Bethesda create or license another studio to create Fallout: New Orleans. I have simple wishes.
Ddish3446 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World acceptance that maybe we can all be a little different yet still love and care for one another.
Also, fuck murderers and child molesters.
cr0ft ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be awesome to see humanity seriously begin transcending capitalism and realizing we need a cooperation based system. It's going to be annoying to die knowing humanity is killing itself in the long run with our current system.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see humanity united. Perhaps it's not the most realistic goal, but I feel that only by working together can we achieve what we're capable of.
garedw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment
mgvertigo101 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reliable cryogenics or FTL travel. It will be really hard to explore outside of our solar system without one or the other.
grieverthought ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans all agreeing not to destroy the earth as a whole. (Climate change, extinction, everything)
Also a true understanding of living process from a multicellular point of view. Basically, we still know close to nothing about the human body and the function of everything.
tune345 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A afforable laundry machine which can fold cloths.
Compliant_Automaton ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
De-nuclearization across the globe. There's lots of ways to almost kill us off and make the world pretty damn inhospitable, and this is still the worst. The threat of global nuclear war is pretty low right now - which means it's the perfect time to try and take steps to insure it goes away entirely.
getricketywrecked ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accurate weather prediction.
TheMightyPathos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars.
Pokabrows ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to download information/music etc directly into my brain.
nohj_lenga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:01:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligence!!!
galaxikk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Becoming totally dependent on renewable energies
CDeruiter5963 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:02:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another one that I would like to see is an updated energy storage system, whether it's a more efficient battery or something else entirely.
Cogs13 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First brain transplant
General_Wolf_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:07:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The conquering of other planets. I really want to see various Earth colonies spread on the Solar System, maybe even further.
Goliath_TL ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cable service being classified a utility and cell phones being classified a utility and being managed as such.
Large corporate entities such as AT&T, Verizon, Comcast being broken up.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A full map of the human brain's interconnectivity.
Chronogos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:08:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting laid!
Chern0n ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:09:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every country at peace.
captain_brunch_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion energy production. An unlimited supply of energy without negative environmental consequences.
MilithDNB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United States to stop being scientifically illiterate by funding and supporting forward thinking advancements such as bio-engineering, genetic modification, etc without argument.
zunahme ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:10:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Healthcare
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zero calorie bread, pizza and cake that taste like the real thing but zero calories.
Lukas_Wulfe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully terraformed moon habitable for human life. Fuck this Earth. Let's go to another and not repeat the same mistakes.
sir_writer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having a comic book movie win Best Picture at the Oscars.
danielholm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gender equality
stashtv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:13:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing humans on Mars and having them return, alive.
Just don't send Matt Damon.
heykevink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
bdiddly83 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans being established on Mars
Kasparqw ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:14:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3
krampusatemykitten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asteroid mining. Would turn the economy upside down. Super abundance of rare earth metals. No longer a need to base your economy on scarcity.
LPGeoteacher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think any money or much effort would be expended to just have people be respectful to each other. Attainable and it would benefit everyone.
ak1368a ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New way of drying cloths. For centuries we've been using evaporation, which requires a lot of energy due to the thermal capacity of water. A method that physically removes the water without damaging the clothes would be much more efficient.
hankypankybooboo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:15:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I've ever seen the word "sustainable" more in an internet thread. Reddit is so predictable.
looptyparadise ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see mankind keep climate change from running our planet, while simultaneously lifting the poverty line and advancing technology.
Jame5G ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lunar colony.
c4_Pak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Implantable artificial kidneys.
fooliam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A manned observation/research mission to take a close look at Jupiter's moons, particularly Enceladus.
Yeah, a manned Mars mission would be really cool, but we know a fair amount about Mars as it is. And most importantly, Mars is dead.
Enceladus though, Enceladus has liquid water. If there's somewhere else in this solar system where we're going to find life, Enceladus is our best bet by a wide margin. Getting a manned observation mission to Enceladus might completely change everything we know about biology, evolution, and the very nature of life. That would be YUGE.
And before you ask "Yeah, but probes?" Robots aren't people. They don't do a great job with things that they haven't seen before. A robotic probe might swim right by life on Enceladus because it might look like something we've never imagined, and so have never told that robot to consider as possibly alive, never told that robot to investigate further. People though, we're great with new things. We're really good at making those intuitive leaps from "That's unusual" to "Holy crap, that's alive". So, people on Enceladus would be, potentially, destiny-altering.
krampusatemykitten ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Underwater city. If we're making palm tree shaped islands out of nothing I'd really like to be able to buy some underwater real estate. Fuck rising sea levels.
Xaxxus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About 10 years ago I remember watching a show on discovery. There are people who pay to have their heads frozen when they die. Hoping that one day when we are able to grow human organs and body parts they can be revived.
I'd like to see the ability to revive someone from death.
RedPillNavigator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bona fide proof if aliens exist or not.
brwnmn420 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replacing war as the final means to address disputes.
April_Fabb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that I would die happy if I felt like humanity would understand the meaning of equilibrium, and on a path where nature isn't seen as something expendable.
germzmares ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free high-speed internet
aiti80 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:17:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI. Specifically, AI in my car. I wanna talk to my car and I want it to have a name like tom or some shit
savvybackpacker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for blindness.
jaybestnz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony.
Self Driving, electric cars.
Fix poverty across the world, permanently (it is surprisingly doable).
A happy life
My businesses be very succesful
jimmyjackz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For people to quit calling others racist just because they disagree.
blink-182_cover_band ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:19:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For people to start giving a damn about the droid attack on the Wookiees
CptToastymuffs ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robot arms and legs and eyes.
Or suitable treatment for the loss of said parts.
Or 'grow your own!' Kits to buy during space-Christmas.
rubik4 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The technology and means for spiders to talk to cats
YoBuckStopsHere ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:27:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First impeached President and the first President sent to prison for his crimes.
GrillinGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Population decline.
AtomicNinja ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex bots.
vizard04 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:34:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kingdom Hearts 3 realeased. A guy can dream!
Cash091 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to find life on another planet. Not bacterial life or anything small... but I want to find an exoplanet between 40-60 light years away from us with intelligent life.
There are a few potentially habitable planets within relatively close range.
xxSoul_Thiefxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:50:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like it if somebody developed immortality before I died
mckulty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:51:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we cure T2 diabetes and Alzheimers, the cost of providing health care would probably be cut in half.
UROBONAR ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal single payer healthcare for all.
masterxxxxxxl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:52:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see science understanding why quantum entanglement happens. That's some topic that interests me in a way that barely any other topic in any subject or genre does.
betteroffinbed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:56:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for herpes simplex viruses.........for a friend, obviously.
Fradno ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:57:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding Mokele-Mbembe.
Ziddix ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a research station or something like that on another planet. Finding life however advanced on another planet.
savvyxxl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:01:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
universal healthcare in the u.s. were a fucking mess
ShoggothKnight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One Piece manga reaching it's conclusion.
TRexSaysRoar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:03:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation, prescription eyeglasses with internet capabilities, the cure for cancer.
dlb1985 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal real time translator.
bnella ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:05:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalization of Marijuana
vettewiz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eliminating speed limits.
Slick_Grimes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You ever see the Futurama where they had moldable robot blanks that could be made into any person you wanted? An army of Kate Beckinsales would be fantastic.
Dhenn004 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Public space travel. It won't happen but it would be so cool and I would go in a heart beat. Shit I've even told my family that if there was a never return trip to somewhere in space. I'd take it. But I know I'll never get that chance, because I'm in no way qualified lol
svobodnjakar ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:09:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion, world peace, sustainable economy and living
marc020202 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:10:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Start of the colonisation of mars
Frodo73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Net Neutrality
Idogebot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two words.
Blowjob Robots.
Sirtopofhat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see Aids cured. Not for me but for all the people who have it.
VideoGameLover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Group-mates that actually do their part in the project.
TheManWithNoSchtick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:12:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Relativistic FTL travle.
TheCondemnedProphet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:13:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for tinnitus.
Mikeflips ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me and two chicks at the same time.
Sentantic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doing what? Cooking banana bread?
bjclam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:15:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of the strip mall and over development Fusion power Reversal of human environmental impacts Man on mars Net neutrality
elswordfish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:16:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for all forms of cancer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i think i speak for everyone...
half-life 3
PaigeTheGreat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:26:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR. True VR like Ready Player One or Sword Art Online.
6ixOhGod ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace. I know it's never, ever going to happen, but just imagine it!
Renscada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-life 3
brainhack3r ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump in prison.
SJWCombatant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To rise above squabbles raised by imaginary lines drawn by nations. To eliminate personal interests in policy making decisions of the world. To unite as one world who can agree upon what is best for all humankind, and the world we live in.
non-trivialnovelty ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:37:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of white supremacy. Then every other bigotry.
rab_bit26 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:40:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find Bigfoot
killer_crossover ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars
Ajki45Oqa105wVshxn01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:43:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why hasn't anyone said immortality yet?
HaxonHaxoff ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:45:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First man on Mars.
-zara ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:46:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing on Mars, exploration of Europa, distinguished image of an exoplanet.
Meanteenbirder ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Law passed by U.S government to prevent someone like Trump from being elected president. Probably new guidelines and new rules for being president?
Absolomb21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new Tool album.
katazar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would not complain if this is the only one achieved from all the ones listed here.
mikalif ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
kilkil ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:50:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any of the following:
successful human landing on Mars
"human-level" AI (unlikely)
prosthetic limbs that function better than organic limbs (e.g. an artificial hand whose fingers move with greater precision)
Either the successful 3D printing of meat, or growth of meat in a lab, such that the taste and nutrients are at least as good as those currently obtained from living animals
a sustainable way of harnessing energy either from nuclear fusion, or from antimatter.
doubling of average human lifespan
near-complete automation of all basic roles in society โ resource gathering, waste disposal, etc โ which would hopefully lead to a post-scarcity society
PostMoves1700 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its gotta be curing cancer
Down4whiteTrash ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:55:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's fucking kill, decimate, abolish, demolish, obliterate, exterminate, evaporate, eviscerate that son of a bitch cancer.
Noble_monkey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology actualized within my lifetime.
uncle_stinky ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fixing spinal cord injuries - it is a pet project of mine
Ms-Tickles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YouTube app on my phone won't close/stop when I open other apps.
wordis_bond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brilliant
Ms-Tickles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I'm asking for too much, but you gotta aim for the moon.
elbay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One immortality please and thank you.
skippy11152 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:09:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
inees02 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:10:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyper trains that connect the whole word.
Going from Europe to America in a 40 minute train ride through the Atlantic would be awesome
TheOwlCosmic42 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:13:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for death.
laffingbomb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:15:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My parents to get their shit together
ZachasA ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:16:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us to get past all this social justice / racial dividing drivel that is ruining our society at the moment
kennardinards ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:19:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality then I'll see everything else
Thuro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see YouTube keep playing even if I close my phone screen.
judahnator ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:30:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of war.
I think most problems can be solved, if not in their entirety then at least much easier, if we simply stop being so terrible to each other.
Rex_Laso ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:31:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2 chicks at the same time.
StabbyPants ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want a fucking warpdrive. anti gravity would also be awesome
ThomasMaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:34:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CG porn indistinguishable from the real thing(Hollywood, I'm looking at yoOU....).
crimxxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see how society evolves once we get to the point AI, and robots pretty much make most of what people currently do obsolete.
tannersinclair ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of Mars
NihilsticEgotist ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:39:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to reverse or massively slow climate change.
seigejet ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intergalactic/faster than light travel. Dyson sphere. Universal healthcare/income globally. Materialize/de-materialize organic or inorganic matter. And I guess whatever the next stage of human evolution is.
lowblast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's cliche but: Peace On Earth
zAndAllThatJazzz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All these people talking about walking on stars and alien planets and I'm just hopeful we'll learn to be decent to eachother.
nobodyyoullremember ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gender wars coming to an end -- Ah you're right I'm being way too unrealistic here. I want humans to stop mindless violence and terrorism.
Why hope for achievements concerning outer space when we can't even get along with our own species down on earth.
aasteveo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:42:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to the two party political system.
Why do we even need political partys? Can't there just be people with ideas? Let's just vote on issues rather than reputations.
I always wonder how many people would have actually voted for Trump if he wasn't affiliated with the grand ole party. And lots of people would never ever vote for anyone in the other party, simply because of affiliation, regardless if they had good ideas or not. I hate to see people ignorantly vote for someone based on their party's reputation instead of their core ideas.
Wookiemaddness ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For someone to figure out a way to convey to everyone that running ruining the environment is f'in everyone and thing in the world up.
akwardo ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:44:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The full understanding of sleep
38TBraun ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not starting a nuclear war with North Korea.
Vijaywada ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A healthy personel and social life that is not disturbed by media or any social propaganda. A world where you live by will rather than rules set by a government.
johndeer89 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:45:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new monarch of England.
fluffykerfuffle1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
peace
Ehandothertails ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:46:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man made apocalypse.
IndeterminantEngr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High quality, AFFORDABLE medicine. The fact that it could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars to get treated for something like a snake bite is both horrifying and rediculous.
adamaster7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:47:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone curing cancer
diondra_99 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
being able to listen to music while swimming
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:49:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting a girlfriend
dpslondon27 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:50:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A full on world war. This world is full of shite. So much corruption out in the open. Need a restart.
CaretaTheSwedishBro ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:51:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transitioning into non-organic bodies
Minat0Namikaze ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:52:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elder scrolls VI
Ayedrian666 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel. I want to take a walk in my neighborhood in the 90s.
readvida ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:54:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind ceasing to discuss having sex with coconuts on Internet forums.
KingPaladin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People being nice with one another. People having manners and altruism.
OmidoTBG ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Democratic communism
terribleheadache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:58:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator
terribleheadache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:59:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A massive damn in australia that brings an old river system through australia back to life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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terribleheadache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:00:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I read your name... but its true! We had a fella who tried to get it approved by parliment but the greenies kicked the vote truly mate it could be revolutionary we wouldnt have to lock up/kill refugees anymore people would actually start to like imagrants more
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:45:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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terribleheadache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:53:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They said no because some stupid dessert lizzards would lose there ecosystem and it would cost to much, the first bit is true but who cares put em in a zoo i mean fuck and the second bit is just short sighted. Also it would take away nutrient rich water from the great barrier reef but we could easily fix that with a water treatment factory in the right spot. This would actually benifit the gbr greatly instead of relying on mother nature to care for it we would have too
terribleheadache ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:02:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The down fall of the american bank terrorists
ViolentEastCoastCity ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. Cities with their roads turned into grassways and forests... and silence.
RipInPepz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:06:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An economic system that actually works.
hamletswords ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curbing greed and stabilizing the environment.
zigastrmsek ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rate of which things progress at keeps getting steeper and steeper. From first steam trains to flying in 100 years, from flying to putting a man on the moon in 65. From large cumbersome computers to personal computers that fit in a box in 30 years, to a web connecting milions of them in less than 10.
I wish we find out a way to, if not become immortal, atleast get to live for a few centuries.
gravitywind1012 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:07:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars and consumer space travel.
DanielLluch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of capitalism.
facial_issues ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:08:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sick and tired of seeing all these people mentioning space travel. We have enough problems on this Earth. Let's try to cure cancer first. Fuck Mars it's a bunch of rocks.
Capital-E ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace
butterknifefight ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation.
DanMalone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:10:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not having a nuclear war.
Classic_Death_Star ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Settling another planet/moon/asteroid etc
DeadFyre ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinical immortality.
JDeEnemy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:11:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like a man on the moon during my lifetime.
nmw6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a man on Mars. It would be such an accomplishment for mankind that would dwarf the moon landing.
SynthhInHD ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures for every major disease (i.e. Cancer, HIV, Alzheimer's, Huntington's, Malaria etc.)
palieos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:12:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
long list, but having a permanent settlement on another planet would be neat.
OldSoulPagan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity
Merkjr ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:13:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold fusion
cashewmoney ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer.
yellur ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing the environment is the obvious answer, so i'll pick something else. Hmmm... I would say establishing a fully functioning colony on Mars with at least a few thousand people living there.
olioster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolishment of capitalism?
brockchancy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
curing the thing that kills me.
realslimsadie6 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:16:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All energy derived from only renewable, clean sources
soccerrumm ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cease in the production and over consumption of plastic
Njcarey ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Id love to see them solve the Madeline McCann case!
0ppaidoragon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing africa without starvation would be pretty neat.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to transfer your brain into a synthetic body.
WaterMerloen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:30:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer. Period.
flyawayjay ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:32:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3D printing functioning human organs. Preferably this would be in my brother's lifetime as well.
LuckyLeprechaun1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel
CiaranM87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I'd like to see a cure for SPUNK a cure for SPUNKBUBBLING FUCKTRUMPET a cure for tourettes.
Cosmiccloudz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:42:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gold... I can't buy you it... but from my heart that was gold
siwokedaj ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans getting past religion. I feel like humans could be living on Mars right now if everyone could just get over their imaginary friend and focus on actual problems instead of persecuting others because they don't fall into the format they think their vindictive asshole god wants.
ColonelVirus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:41:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion being over come and removed from the for front of humanity. Just bring their for some spiritual people to believe in, but not used as a factual, or taught as such. Purely a collection of moral stories that made it through our history.
Expect I'd have to live to at least 400 though... Guess I'll settle for mars landing/anti aging ( So I can live to 400).
samwhale210 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:43:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind accepting that eating meat is immoral when it's unnecessary and raising animals for food is detrimental to our planet. So from there we make a rational decision to go vegan.
imiiiiik ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:44:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really nice and cheap monorails going everywhere
paxromana96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:49:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We gotta get to Mars.
B0NERSTORM ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
moon base
trentdumon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:50:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Energy that is renewable and can sustain the earth without damaging it
Puninteresting ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful communication with an extraterrestrial species of intelligent life.
Moni-ka_md ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erradicate hunger!
browsit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Formal proofs that can be used to filter all the crap on the internet. It would show when people are trolling, lying, or just not using logic properly. Perhaps this would finally put an end to people accepting things like 'that offends me' as a response to a valid discussion point.
NotANiceGuy_NotSorry ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:52:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right wing feminism and vegans getting outlawed
ThunderCr0tch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:53:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace in the Middle East.
I was born in 1999, so I've known war in the Middle East my whole life. Although it doesn't directly effect me at all, it would be nice to see that come to an end. It would be something I've literally never seen before which is amazing to me.
sk8erdud119 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:57:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for cancer. Every type of cancer. Fuck that soul crushing disease.
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Iscrollforlinks ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace among all nations so we can work together to save the human race.
Mrmojorisincg ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world government with free healthcare, education, food, and housing for everyone
PsycoBoyFilms ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:59:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me getting laid
alvarkresh ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:00:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A guaranteed annual income.
Lee_Enterprises ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:03:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully holographic user interfaces like Iron Man.
7V3N ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A united human civilization, finally on the same side.
L1V1NGABORT1ON ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:07:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual free healthcare. Also a decent minimum wage. I work two jobs and still barely get by
BigWholesomeBird ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact with aliens and become friends with them instead of making them want to destroy us because of human ignorance
Blitztonix777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:08:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comercially-available cybernetic implants, I cannot be the only person who wants retractable cat claws?
JCKSTRCK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending baldness. Reverting baldness. Curing baldness. All types of baldness.
buddyvulpes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:09:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, if there's any luck at all.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full VR immersion. Like download your mind into a virtual world and be able to come back and forth at will.
bilbotujb ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:10:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots
KscottH ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:11:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel if I am being more realistic. But actually I want intergalactic travel
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:12:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for diabetes
thetipsymedic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:13:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global Harmony
Flameman1234 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, or at least extended life. Also, the eradication of plenty of diseases.
Im_no_imposter ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:14:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A united Ireland.
thatjohnkid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about you guys but just a human on the moon again I think would be awesome. Or something that puts everyone back into the exploration attitude we had when the challenger rockets started launching.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:15:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Madam President
MatchingTowel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:23:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solution to the Riemann Hypothesis
CryoSage ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:26:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact, or intelligent ET life
jus_chillin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:28:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be nice if the world population dropped to 3billion
getBusyChild ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars, also returning to the Moon.
anartistssunshine ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man on Mars.
KullFuMaster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:41:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I Would like to see a collective human consciousness that puts human lives and well-being above money.
RusparDwinanea ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyberpunk-like body replacements, most specifically replacing complex parts like the spine. Or some kind of regenerative therapy, regrowing nerves and/or discs.
ElgrimWoW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:46:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An ending to A Song of Ice and Fire
BananahammockRN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:57:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All humans taking responsibility for their own shit.
greyvvitch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:58:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for Alzheimer's. One hell of a disease
Afin12 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:00:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A peaceful end to the government of North Korea
all2neat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:10:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cured
dbv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:16:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The one where we actually care for each other.
CommanderRedZ79 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:18:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making contact with aliens.
Would be so dope to get an alien drunk.
UUaffles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:25:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. All types. It would be nice to have that worry removed from everyone's mind.
Bob_Sconce ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:26:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Former President Trump"
P3rCoNam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to sustainably solve poverty. There are some basic human needs and it is definitely not a resources issue. It is definitely something achievable with the existing tech, it is simply a question of logistics.
Daedalus_7777 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:31:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every male Reddit user having tried a coconut at least once.
Platyturtle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be able to turn into a pickle
Uxion ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:34:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post-Scarcity
mickeyears ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for ALL cancers.
Spooky1984 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact.
truth_sentinell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:38:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lab meat being a thing and thus displacing any type of animal killing. Also many full precise models of animals brains / bodies so scientists don't have to kill more animals for the next makeup thing, among others.
madison916 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for all cancer. Fuck cancer.
frachris87 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:39:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with sentient extraterrestrial life.
andyval ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:40:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Multiple Sclerosis
Nicki_cam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:41:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The perfect educational system
sirpresn ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:44:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea falls
etc_etcmashedpotatos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:46:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a double amputee and I would love to see some sort of technology that would allow me to wiggle my toes again.
originallyoriginal ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:47:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A wireless home printer that works consistently. Dream. Big.
ChooseWisely72 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:48:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars. Visiting or colonizing.
asianspicegirl ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:51:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Female President of the United States
87SanJunipero ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring out how to make make a San Junipero -- so I can go "live" there after I croak.
CelestialStork ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:11:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rich people giving a fuck about others.
Donjuan11b ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:12:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End world hunger, sustainable energy, end to pollution of our planet, greed and selfishness wiped from the foundation of humanity. You know, the small things.
chummed ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. My sister has lived almost all of her life with it, and it would be nice to see her and all of those who share the unfortunate disease with her have a cure.
ApartmentManagerGuy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:21:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having a doctor give a rectal exam without having to shove his jelly finger in my butt.
Healfwer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
abolishment of religious institutions in all first world countries
BooksIsPower ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:22:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instant translation of human speech from audio.
Not for literature or anything. For everyday interactions when abroad or moving to a new country etc.
Lilbitysquirt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're in luck!
http://www.businessinsider.com/an-ex-plumber-invented-a-140-earpiece-that-translates-in-real-time-2017-6
i-hear-banjos ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's impeachment and an America that isn't batshit insane.
jflo_flosquared ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:23:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding better and quicker modes of transportation.
lindarose09 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to buy a meal and not worrying about the price. Lol
jh36117 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:24:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures for cancer.
GauntletsofRai ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:25:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planetary high-speed internet for free. I want to be able to get the same connection speed at my house in the country, in the grand canyon, on top of mt. Everest, etc. In the same vein though, I would love to see instantaneous quantum communication and sophisticated commercial quantum computers. I think the next leap in computational technology will be what makes A.I. possible.
Baije ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone, every single person acknowledging The VHEMT and stop having kids.
neizan ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "Theory of Everything".
High energy physics has been, loosely speaking, at a standstill for the past 40 years since the development of the standard model, and the unification of the electromagnetic, weak nuclear, and strong nuclear forces. We are a long way from a complete theory which would have to (at least) include quantum gravity, but which may either subsume supersymmetry, or string theory, or have a completely different theoretical foundation.
P.s.: The discovery of alien life, perhaps on Europa, or Enceladus, or in subsurface water on Mars, is a close second.
P.p.s.: And a necessary pre-condition to developing such a theory is that we don't all die from runaway global warming / nuclear war / ecosystem collapse / strong and malignant AI in the meantime.
sebaz ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:27:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people stop being dicks to each other.
Klester01 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A machine that can both wash and dry your clothes. Seriously, it can't be that hard.
Luigi_master1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Taking Inventory"
"Getting Wood" (lenny)
"Benchmarking"
localsxonly ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:29:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be cool if someone developed a piece of technology that can target and detect disease, and measure the overall health of a human every single day. Even tap into things like cholesterol or hormone levels. Just a universal and instant health monitor that internally and externally measures ones health and even provides suggestions on the steps that need to be taken to get better or improve. Just a cool thought!
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting 99 in a Runescape skill.
LazlowK ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for death, obviously.
Martofunes ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A definitive reversal on climate change. I can deal with an eternal capitalistic world, but I want the world to be there.
jamesmaxx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:30:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. Travel anywhere and get stuff shipped in minutes.
VietnameseSquat ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone finding the cure for cancer
the_pancakefish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:31:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of climate change!
I believe that if this is not solved in our lifetime, it would be the end of mankind as we know it.
AwardWinningFjord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Organ replacement therapy for gastrointestinal disorders.
porkyminch ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:32:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widespread adoption of self-driving cars.
Skpbrnhol ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:33:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A practical babble fish/instant language translation device would be kinda cool.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
equality in america
farqueue2 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:35:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure autoimmune diseases. Seems to be affecting a lot of people lately
anonymousgottabe ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eliminating rape.
TheSilverPotato ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:36:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One hundred percent use of renewable energy.
KBAGS7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:37:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Alzheimer's.
desde1984 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:42:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A libertarian POTUS.
Xavanux ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using Stem Cells to rehabilitate people who have lost their sense of motion on any part of the body. Maybe even regrow limbs or fingers and bones?
Paradise5551 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using money spent on military actually spent on clean food and water for every single human on earth.
MinerZB ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:45:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone not having to pay for or having to pay much less for medical bills, glasses, water, food, etc. All of these things we have to pay for, or we die, and that is because of greed.
MatthewTWHuang ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income for an entire country.
BigHaircutPrime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two things:
CtrlAltFetus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:47:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to examine the prostate without getting fingered in the ass
callme207911 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free college education
Aviconus ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A relistic orbital living situation or a solution to lightspeed tansport for long distance planetary travel (I know this prolly won't be in my lifetime, which is a shame. I'd love to be around for that. This Planet is quickly out producing the abilities of our planet.
Bonus: Universal Income as we become more automated.
MarcusAurelius0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to go to the moon affordably before I die and I want to see us off this rock and on other bodies in our solar system. Being tied to this planet leaves us very vulnerable.
dingboodle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel.
consec_design ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see mankind reintegrate death sports back into society. Also, I'd like some ultra extreme sports to be developed; HorseDiving, for example.
MrMallow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:01:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone talks about mars, but I think a full sized lunar colony needs to happen first. I hope the sixth branch of the US military becomes space command and they make it happen.
ostaveisla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:20:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly don't know what is reasonable to expect. I'm hoping for something like casual interplanetary travel. Colonies on Mars and whatever.
I'm inspired by the changes that my grandparents experienced in their lives. In my grandmother's life she went from horses being the peak of transport to her travelling on jet planes. She was born in a house made of stones and dirt for the most part. The year she was born was when radio broadcasting became a thing and she owned a cell phone when she died.
Technology has advanced so rapidly these last 100 years that I hope our lives will be so drastically altered in our own lifetimes that we see our world change instead of the incremental changes that people saw happen before. My grandparents saw the world change in this way and I hope we get to see it as well.
oh_ok_thank_you ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:40:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just hope the last decade of my life isn't dominated by a chaotic or harsher climate. I want us to figure out how to keep the planet habitable to a lot of humans
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:18:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plant trees
Lots of trees, from as many different species as possible
Find a way to plant as many trees as possible with the fewest cost per square meter
Find a way to directly profit from planting trees, that does not requires "government subsidies", in the form of carbon taxes, for example
Find a way to profit from increasing the animal biodiversity, the fungal biodiversity, the bacterial biodiversity, and the plant biodiversity within this forest
Raising forests and raising the biodiversity, motivated by profits, is how we will be able to keep the planet habitable for us
socialistphilosopher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space travel
candyreichel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:14:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Through the fire and flames 100% using only their 2 feet
PacoTreez ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:28:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars and hopefully even selfsustained colony on mard
Xalteox ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:34:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Elevator
Sustainable fusion reactor
RagingNoob ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer.
blisstime ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:37:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace on earth and a cure for cancer.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:38:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Viable nuclear fusion.
mud-runner ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:40:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multiple planet colonization.
uniquelygarrett ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:41:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First woman president. Same sex marriage legalized everywhere.
SsgtMeatball ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:53:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We will break the mass extinction barrier, causing both the largest and last recorded mass extinction event. It will be caused by a petty argument over which of some things are better than the others.
Stitches_Be_Crazy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:19:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real hoverboard.
cebeezly82 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:20:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely photorealistic Graphics in video games and holographic TVs
cozmcrae ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:22:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
elbrento133 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:03:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevators. Would make space travel cheaper and more realistic for the public.
_we_have_to_go_back_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 10:21:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always wanted to see a black president but I didn't realize how easy that would be. Now I want to live to see a really really gay president or super model president, I want to see all the differnt types of Presidents.
carbonados ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:32:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A device that records your dreams, so I can wake up get on the toilet and watch back last nights episode.
texaccca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy to have a device that records the last 15 minutes of my thoughts, because I have a hard time remember, and writing down my thoughts, especially after having a deep discussion or conversation.
carbonados ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:14 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah I hear that. When I have the 'genius' thoughts I always think I don't need to write that down there is no way I am going to forget that...
cobrastrikes-2x ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:14:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of slave and drug trades sounds pretty awesome. I heard a line from drunk history that goes something to the tune of "Say you own the sun, say you own the moon, the stars and the heavens above, but do not say that you own a man because long after the sun, the moon and the stars have died out, his immortal soul will live on."
lotti333 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Equal rights for women, because honestly it's been too fucking long.
fsdg334tg34egt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:20:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Re-unification of North Korea during my lifetime doesn't have to be explored.
jack-rabbit-slims ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could imagine that happening. It wasn't much different for Germany back in '89
Donkeybongx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:22:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion being obsolete.
Mr_Mime140 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:40:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3
usernamebitch3 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:01:00 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The difference is that cancer is not a single child hungry, homeless or shoeless.
Barrylimerick1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:24:40 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skynet, I want to bare witness to the end of humans making all the decisions and have AI tell us how to live.
a-science-teacher ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:51:02 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An education system that isn't failing
ZopiloteMojado ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:28:17 on August 28, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wish we'd all just fucking get along.
bliz213 ยท 41 points ยท Posted at 11:58:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reconstruction of the US election system, one that doesn't include the electoral college.
ccjmk ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:41:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I lol at the idea that the Paragon of Democracy has something else from direct election of candidates. I understand that representative democracy is a sort of necessity when population goes beyond the thousands and we just can't get together to directly rule over stuff. But representative election is.. just weird.
dilfybro ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You might be interested, then, in the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
This is much more likely to be enacted than the Federal Constitutional changes required to actually get rid of the Electoral College, but it will have the identical effect.
zurkog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:01:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to change the Constitution; it's easier to get individual states to agree to a compact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
If all the states where this is pending in legislation agree, plus maybe 1 or 2 more, then it'll have the effect of awarding the presidency to the winner of the popular vote from then on.
TinyTom99 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because the population is more dense in an area, a popular vote system would result in the culture of a huge portion of the country being underrepresented if at all. The system was put in place so that large cities don't have all of the power. Being from Wisconsin, I'd like to actually have a say in our electoral system, and I like it when a candidate actually campaigns in my State (as opposed to New York, San Francisco, and maybe Austin)
pm_me_ur_fs ยท 69 points ยท Posted at 13:57:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still sore eh?
[deleted] ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
About what? Ignoring the last election entirely, the electoral college has got to go. Even if Hillary had won because of the electoral college I would be calling for it to end.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:41:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stupid constitution and the stupid founders wanting states represented in federal matters.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? Do you know nothing about history? The electoral college was created because, at the time, a direct vote of the people was unfeasible (way too many people for that to work). Thus, the electoral college was created as a proxy in lieu of a direct vote. However, a direct vote is now possible because of modern technology. Direct vote is always more representative of what the population wants than a proxy representation system like we have under the electoral college. Had this been possible back then, the founding fathers would have also opted for a direct vote.
I love our constitution, but as with all things, it can become outdated. Society has progressed and changed in ways they could never have predicted. Keeping up with the times is important. This is why changing the constitution is even possible and why certain "hacks" were worked into the system from the start so our highest laws could be flexible with time.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:01:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolishing the electoral college would essentially allow a few major cities to dictate the entire direction of federal elections.
With the electoral college, rural areas get a say. What is best for people in LA is not what is best for people in rural Kentucky.
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:10:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolishing the electoral college will allow each person one vote. Every person deserves their share of representation. What's best for the few people in rural Kentucky may not be best for the much larger number of people in other parts of the country. Kentucky still gets to have its state elections and its local and state representation. When it comes to the country as a whole, the entire population should be represented. Trying to weight things towards the people in rural Kentucky is not doing what's best for the nation. In addition, places that currently don't get represented (like say the republicans in California) will now be properly represented. Every republican vote will be counted rather than being silenced in blue states.
GateauBaker ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:31:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have your own fair share of the representation in your own state. Your state government affects your life much more than the federal government. The federal government is suppossed to deal with interstate relations and foreign powers. Not micro-manage your life. Imagine if the European Union ran that way. Germany would be pushing their ideals on every other country due to their high population.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See that's my argument exactly. State government represents the wishes of the people of the state. The federal government should represent the people as a whole, which is what the executive branch was set up to do. The electoral college weights the result by state. Getting rid of the electoral college allows for a president that represents the nation as a whole.
GateauBaker ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:11:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United States is huge. Just like it would be horrid to have one country like Germany dominate the entire continent with it's cultural values. It would be horrid to have states with large numbers of city folks push their values on rural sparsely populated states.
The federal government should not represent the individual there is a reason states have borders and local governments, it should represent the coalition of states that are practically their own countries. Different geographical locations have different needs. The electoral college makes sure those needs are met.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:20:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm thinking it would be worse to have those few rural folks push their values and ideals on a much larger group of people who may not share those ideals. If the majority of the population feels a way, that way should be represented in the executive branch, as it was intended to be. This is why the legislative branch is supposed to represent the feeling of each state. One is for the states and the other is for the people as a whole.
There federal government should absolutely represent the people, just as the legislature should absolutely represent the states. The electoral college was only put in place as a proxy for direct vote because that was not possible at the time.
GateauBaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be worse, but they can't thanks to the electoral college. Which prevents them from dominating no matter what their population becomes.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erm, no the electoral college weights towards those rural votes. It's without the electoral college that the rural folks can't outweigh the voices of the larger part of the population. If rural folks (or lets say their ideals) were shared among more of the population, it would make sense to have those ideals be proportionally represented. You got it backwards.
GateauBaker ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:07:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It only weights toward rural votes because of their lower population. The larger their population gets relative to cities, the less weight they get.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:10:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And if we did not have the electoral college, as their population grows, they get more representation, which they SHOULD get if there are more of them. This is why direct vote should be happening.
GateauBaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right so now the argument is back to where it started.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:32:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep, the electoral college shouldn't exist because the executive branch is meant to represent the population as a whole, not the minority. The minority gets representation in the legislative branch.
GateauBaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The three branches represents the country as a whole, not the population. The country does not only consist of big cities. The will of the majority would keep the minority from ever being heard if they were only given marginal say in one of the branches like you suggest.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:15:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The country does not only consist of states, it consists of people. This is why the legislative branch gives representation by state and why the executive branch is SUPPOSED to represent the will of the entire populace through their vote. The only reason the electoral college was put in place was because direct vote with that many people wasn't possible back then. If you weight the election of the president by state, like the electoral college does, then you are not representing the nation as a whole. As you even agreed, the minority should not be able to force their ideals on the majority. The majority gets the executive whereas the minority gets representation in the legislative. This is the balance.
And no, what you are saying is not true. All branches check one another. The minority should not get overrepresented in both. They already get representation in the legislative branch, which is significantly more powerful in internal affairs anyway.
GateauBaker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:38:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is why we have two governments. One to represent the states (the federal government) and one to represent the people (state governments).
I agree 100%. Thanks to the electoral college, the entire populace has their will represented. Without it, only a fraction of the population is heard.
This is false. I've taken U.S. History in college. The Electoral College was designed for two reasons:
1) A buffer to keep the population of being swayed into making the wrong choice. This is different than not having the technology for a direct vote. I find this point debatable TBH since it only works if our own politicians didn't fall for the stupid partisan game that the founders never intended. But it's not the more important reason.
2) As part of the Constitution compromises to the small states in order to allow their voice to not be drowned out by the larger ones.
Look the Electoral College itself is not the problem. The real problem is how the electors are chosen which has nothing to do with the College. The states refuse to use proportional representation to determine their representatives and use a winner take all method. The reason they don't is because any state that does not will have the advantage over them. That is what we need to strive to change. That is where the real disenfranchisement is occurring. Removing the Electoral College and resorting to direct vote would only bring up new problems.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:41:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Without the electoral college MORE of the people are heard. It's the fraction that is not heard, which is better than the minority being overrepresented. This conversation is becoming circular. I know what you're saying, I simply disagree with it. Those smaller states shouldn't be allowed to sway elections like they have. It should be a direct vote so it is proportionally representative. It still wouldn't be tyranny by the majority because the legislative branch gives state representation.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:11:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A pure democracy is a horrible idea.
The US is a republic. Not a democracy. It is a Coalition of states. The states determine who runs the federal executive branch.
I assume you also think the 17th amendment was a good amendment, too.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The republic does not go away if we allow a direct vote at the federal level. The legislative branch should be handled differently from the executive branch. One is for the states and the other for the people as a whole.
And no actually, I have issues with the 17th amendment. It did address some real problems, but has its downsides as well. So I have a mixed opinion ultimately.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The legislative branch is already set up by state. It's representative of the states. The executive branch has the president, who is supposed to represent the people as a whole.
sdmitch16 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:38:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it won't. https://youtu.be/7wC42HgLA4k?list=PLqs5ohhass_TF9mg-mqLie7Fqq1-FzOQc&t=198
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He didn't respond, but this video is great.
Awesomebox5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's basically what we already have. The votes in a few states actually decide the results of the election because all the electoral votes for the majority of the states can be pretty safely assumed before the votes are even cast.
The electoral college was created for the exact purpose of preventing unqualified candidates from being elected to the nation's highest office in the event that the system went awry. If it functioned at all, it should have prevented Trump from becoming elected because he was obviously going to use the position to enrich himself at the expense of anyone/anything else since that's what he's done his entire professional life and continued to do
in the White Houseat Mar-a-Lago.ReverendWrinkle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:47:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Out of curiosity how has he done this?
He's incompetent, but he hasn't exactly enriched himself.
I feel Obama was far more damaging because he was competent at implementing bad policy.
dryj ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're saying that the majority would decide as if that were a bad thing.
ReverendWrinkle ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:07:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A representative republic is a hard concept for you to grasp. I understand.
dryj ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No you wouldn't lmao
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I absolutely would. This is a position I've held since long before this most recent election. There are many reasons why it shouldn't exist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool
Rojo424 ยท -18 points ยท Posted at 15:22:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ftfy
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:23:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erm, k? I'm typing on a phone and it autocorrects sometimes. Really pointless correction. If you get the idea then no need to correct on this forum. But here, I'll fix it just for you.
Rojo424 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reddiquette
"Intelligent discourse requires a standard system of communication. Be open to gentle corrections."
[deleted] ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 15:35:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In general, this would apply only if the error made the message confusing. Otherwise, it's generally a detraction tactic used to steer away from the point of the conversation. I'm a critical writing tutor with exceptional grammar and I've studied communication extensively. Generally in this discourse community, it's more conducive to discourse to let small errors slide. As I said, phone autocorrects and quick typing are going to produce minor errors here and there. It's distracting from the conversation to needlessly make corrections.
Edit: oh Reddit, your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. When I first joined I was like this guy, correcting people's grammar all the time. After enough rebuffs and some solid arguments about why that's really superfluous on an informal discussion site, I changed my ways. Now, I'm getting downvoted for defending that preference. I guess it's okay if you're not the ones being corrected. Stay classy, Reddit. Damned if I do. Damned if I don't.
zsephut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:15:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i'M a CrItIcAl wRiTiNg TuToR wItH eXcEpTiOnAl GrAmMaR aNd I'vE sTuDiEd CoMmUnIcAtIoN eXtEnSiVeLy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erm, k? Not sure what you were going for there. It doesn't make what I said false, you just don't seem to like it for some reason. As I've said, damned if I defend grammar and damned if I defend conversation over grammar. Whatever, Reddit. I don't care anymore.
zsephut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:21:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you're British, stop saying "erm". If you are British, consider stopping. I'm actually on your side regarding the needless corrections, but you got kind of irritating in your lengthy argument against needless corrections. This is an argument that's been had countless times in countless forums over the past 20+ years. Also, stop referring to the rhetorical "Reddit".
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're on my side, what was with the childish response? And no, I won't stop either saying erm or referring to Reddit, which plenty of people do. Stop trying to tone police me. If my point was logical, it's presentation should not have mattered. Too bad if you thought it was irritating, though I don't really understand why. It wasn't that long and it was a good explanation of why corrections can be needless. And I don't care how many times it's been had, it was an argument between me and a specific person who was needlessly trying to correct me. Clearly he either hadn't seen those other arguments or hadn't learned from them.
You frankly sound bratty. "I don't like your specific way of speech so I'm going to send you a snotty, nonsensical response!" Stop.
MelMes85 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:21:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well it should be based on proportional representation. Why shouldn't it be?
Kongo204 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:27:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally, I think people are individuals, so what state they come from doesn't matter. I'm from California and I'm not so happy with the fact that my vote counts a third as much as people in underpopulated states.
[deleted] ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 15:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 00:50:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still sore eh?
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 19 points ยท Posted at 14:26:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Damn it our side lost in these elections that everyone knew the workings of for decades! That's it, time to change the rules so that only the correct side wins!"
ayojamface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im sorry bub, but this has been a long debate.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah that's brought up every time by the losers when they feel that the rules needs to be changed so that they win
ayojamface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily. But there are a lot of people who will bandwagon that idea. They tend to be the most vocal, and least informed. But that does not skim the fact that its the debate has been ongoing.
cardboardcrackaddict ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:50:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, some people want to change the system, regardless of who just won. Stop assuming other people's beliefs, and just move on.
Inb4 you say anything else, I supported Trump during the election
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:54:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THis is always only brought up by the losers who want to change the rules because they feel it will let them win next time. This is as pathetic as it gets.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0GRX09UoAAgvSG.jpg
cardboardcrackaddict ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:56:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just because a few morons change their personal beliefs to fit their political beliefs doesn't mean that everyone does.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:58:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fair enough. In that case I simply disagree with you on the issue of the electoral college.
cardboardcrackaddict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:50:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's fair
gohone1 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Out of the like 5 times a president has won the electoral college but lost the popular vote, it had occurred twice in my lifetime, both times benefiting the Republican Party. I'm not a democrat, but it's obvious that gerrymandering is allowing the Republican Party to misrepresent the will of the constituents. To make the electoral college work, all the states would have to adopt the process that occurs in Maine and Nebraska, where they split the electorates by voting district instead of a winner-takes-all system, simultaneously you'd have to make permanent districts that aren't susceptible to future gerrymandering.
tl;dr: electoral college sucks 'cause of gerrymandering and it sucks regardless of party preference.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:51:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except this supposed "popular vote" is only from California, and it's very large non-citizen population that can still vote for some retarded reason because IDs are racist or something. It's the united states, California doesn't get to decide for the rest of the country, that it views with nothing but contempt.
Rojo424 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:28:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um, that's really not how it works. Even if non-voters vote, CA isn't the only state which has non-citizens, and polls among citizens of CA still show an unshakable democratic majority. The real issue is winner take all. CA is around 30% republican. That means ~30% of its electoral votes should go to the Republican candidate. But under the bullshit winner-take-all system, all those votes go to the Democratic party due to majority and that 30% is never represented. The same happens in pretty much every state except Maine and Nebraska, though sometimes Democrats are unrepresented, sometimes Republicans. I'm not even sure why you're bringing up CA non-citizen vote in a talk about the electoral college.
throwaway12393873 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:17:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why should my vote count for less because I live in LA though. why should my vote be more important if I move to montana.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BEcause the whole point of the system is to ensure that politicians cannot ignore the concerns and needs of people in what Americans derogatorily call "flyover states", as Mrs. Clinton found out.
throwaway12393873 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:18:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but why should what someone in ohio wants be more important than what someone in california wants?
gohone1 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 15:04:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Non-citizens can't vote in the general election regardless of the state they're from. In California specifically, you're auto-registered when you get your driver's license, but they make sure you're a citizen at the dmv, and I wrote a solution to the electoral college issue that isn't just a straight popular vote, so tbh idk what you're on about.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:07:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973
Nadieestaaqui ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have a gander at "tyrrany of the majority". Whatever your feelings about an isolated event in 2016, the electoral college exists for a very good reason.
[deleted] ยท 30 points ยท Posted at 10:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tesla using petrol engines in their cars. Just like God told us to do.
geneadamsPS4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clarkson, is that you?
jaybestnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That, or the Koch Brothers...
The_GASK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9/10 troll effort. Petrol Fiction
farhanorakzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol good one
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:35:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 14:51:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just a little joke, my friend. I happen to know some people, let's call them old school car lovers, who can't imagine car industry heading towards all electric vehicles and V8 powered road warriors. Personally I think that Tesla builds outstanding cars. Design wise.
soapandfoam ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:56:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know those idiots too.
mylifesucks-mls ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 15:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dont call them idiots, there is something strangely beautiful about a working automobile.
bambamtx ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 15:44:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Especially one that can go several hundred miles on a tank and only takes 3-5 minutes to refill.
m0rkish ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:53:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but you have to admit - maybe 5% of people at most actually need that functionality day to day.
For most people 200 mile range and overnight charging is absolutely functional.
bambamtx ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:25:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And then a storm, a fire or a flood hit and you need to get the fuck out of town FAST and go a few hundred miles to shelter/family etc. Electric cars and public transit can't help in those situations and millions more would be dead every year when these disasters hit around the country. They simply aren't practical except as a second or third car for people who can afford them. People in rural areas often travel several hundred mile round trips multiple times a week as well. Stopping for a half-hour to recharge once or twice a day in the middle of a trip is a waste of time. I'd say (conservatively) that closer to 20-30% NEED to be able to travel long distances with limited planning for day to day living and business and another 40-50% want the option for convenience or crisis. I drive 450 miles to see family several times a year. (there's no way in Hell i'd buy an electric car just because of that.
Testiclese ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good work, Patriot! Real red-blooded American right there, folks!
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huh, don't want to disappoint you buddy, but I'm from Poland. You know that country between Russia and Germany. Vodka and stuff.
Testiclese ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:55:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't matter where you're from - you said the most American thing on this thread. You're now an honorary American. Here's your badge, don't forget to pick up your camo baseball cap and raised pick-up truck on your way out.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You forgot about the flag and I Support Trump sticker ;(
jaybestnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being anti Trump is more American than not.
Was on voting day, it is so much worse now. 33%.
winterfresh515 ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 12:33:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see at least half the world population abandon their belief in superstitious and supernatural claims that have not and in many cases cannot be proven. I would like to see at least half the world population start to care whether the beliefs they hold are actually true and to take the steps to figure out whether their beliefs are actually true instead of assuming its true because that is what they were taught since early childhood. I would like at least half the world population to start to rely on critical thinking and logic and epistomology in order to construct a worldview that matches reality as closely as possible or find a method better than critical thinking and logic and epistomology in order to do so. Whatever method they use should be testable and proven to be reliable at discerning fact from opinion.
Neo_Gatsby ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:23:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abandoning shared faiths is not going to produce the utopia of togetherness that you think it will.
winterfresh515 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said if this happened it would necessarily lead to a utopia so I do not know where you got that from. I do believe it would be a step in the right direction. We could debate how big or small a step that would be but I never claimed it would end all problems. I didn't even mention how much of an impact I thought it would have I only answered the OP which is what I would like to see happen. I didn't get into why I wanted to see it happen. So please do not presume to know my motivations or put words in my mouth when I made no indication as to why I wanted to see this happen.
Testiclese ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, we'll still be cutting each others' heads off, but at least it will be over iPhones or some shit, something tangible, not the approval of an invisible sky daddy.
Neo_Gatsby ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:48:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is really beyond my energy to get into, but I would encourage you to think very seriously about the practical results of destroying community bindings like the church in the first world, rather than the idealized or absent results you imagine.
Testiclese ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 16:54:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We've been "destroying the church" for 400 years or so now, and frankly, only good things have come from it. The Age of Enlightenment - science, technological progress, reason - is hopefully here to stay, and I pray (not literally) that your side is down for the count.
Science cured polio, not prayer, and it's science that powers the computer that you can type your nonsense into, not God, or any other bronze age cult invented by illiterate goat herders 2000 years ago to make sense of the forces of nature they didn't understand.
Religion had its place in our history, but it really is time to move on, truly.
Admiral_Aenoth ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 00:43:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it time to move on? Do you think that things will be better when the most uniting thing many people have it gone? Do you believe that it will make people kinder and more willing to help each other? What shall determine morality other than ever-changing culture? Is science really anything other than a dictionary to humanities story?
Also you should check your history, the Bronze Age wasn't 2000 years ago in the majority of the world.
winterfresh515 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"most uniting thing"
An argument can be made that it is not as uniting as you think it is
Neo_Gatsby ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand. I'm an atheist, and I used to say exactly the kinds of things that you're saying right now, with the same smugness and laced assumptions, virtually word for word.
Belake12 ยท 32 points ยท Posted at 14:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2edgy
MrNanners ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So basically a wish for people to think for themselves.
jacksawbridge ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 15:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So condescending, so assumptive. Can also tell you're quite privileged if other people's beliefs are your main concern in life.
Raikunen ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:18:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its only right to be condescending about stoneage beliefs :)
winterfresh515 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't really see how this is condescending. I would hope people cared enough about what they believed to figure out if its true regardless of when they learned it or who they learned it from. Isn't it good to question what you've been told and not blindly accept it? Don't people usually frown on gullibility? My entire OC could be summed up to say "I wish people were less gullible and instead had good justification for what they believe". I only mentioned childhood because most supernatural beliefs people hold happen to be taught to them at an early age. That is just an observation not a judgement.
I also do not see it as privileged to care about other people's beliefs. People act in accordance with their beliefs and you and I share space with the rest of the people on this planet. If people hold a belief that instructs them to act negatively towards me for any reason I would hope they had good justification for that belief. I don't even have to make it personal. As an empathetic social species should we not care what happens to others? If people hold a belief that instructs them to act negatively towards someone else or a group of people for any reason I would hope they had good justification for that belief as well. And if they did not have a good justification wouldn't the diplomatic course of action be to point out that they have no good reason to hold such a belief so that they stop their negative actions of their own accord instead of creating conflict by trying to force them to go against the beliefs they still hold?
Perhaps I am privileged in the fact that I am in a position where I can take the time to consider these things. Someone in a situation where their entire focus and attention is towards their immediate survival would not have time to care about such things. In that regard I am privileged but I do not think that is what you meant by your comment. If it was then I agree I am privileged. Then would it be wrong of me to waste this privilege I seem to have and not care about those that are not privileged and only care about myself? Wouldn't a good use of the free time I have be to think of ways to better this world and by extension better the lives of those that are not as "privileged" as myself? You seem to criticize me for being privileged enough to have the time to care about others beliefs as if that is a bad thing. I think having the time to and not caring anyway and instead only caring about myself would be the bad thing.
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autisticpig ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no dog in this fight, nor care what either of you believe. But for someone who claims to not care, you spent too much time telling /u/BANMEAGAIN009 how much you don't care.
admit it...you care. even if it's just the tip's worth...you care.
BANMEAGAIN009 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If he didnt care he wouldnt have responded. He woulda laughed it off
BANMEAGAIN009 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well ofcourse you fucking idiot. Along with you, anybody you have ever cared about or anybody you have eve layed eyes on. They all become distant memories thst eventually get replaced. Thats life and it makes ot even more beautiful when i tell you that your ideology is fucked, your biology is disformed and weak along with your bloodline thsy is running on borderline autistic. Knowing tht im gonna die and eventually their will be a day where nobody on this fucking rock matters makes it even more sweet to tell you to go fuck yourself. Good day sir:)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
tips fedora
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! This!
[deleted] ยท 29 points ยท Posted at 13:46:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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hlessiforever ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:43:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Her and trump can write each other letters from their cells!
Edit: I had to correct my monstrous spelling.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:11:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FFS are we monsters?
It's "their"
hlessiforever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:12:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thank you for correcting my Grammar that was a stupid mistake.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are forgiven. I've called off the regime
hlessiforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks I'm not a big fan of my home being droned.
Kathas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
*Catch up with each other when their heads fall into the same guillotine basket
Literal_SJW ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:00:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For what?
Awesomebox5000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:30:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He/she probably doesn't know and is just repeating talking points.
BigBoss6121 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:49:08 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manipulation of the DNC to take Bernie's spot as a candidate.
BigBoss6121 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:49:04 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manipulation of the DNC to take Bernie's spot as a candidate.
Literal_SJW ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:49:50 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol.
BigBoss6121 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:58:55 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice refutation.
Literal_SJW ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:27:37 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol there's no law that says primaries have to be fair. If they wanted to they could just skip the primary process altogether and pick their candidate themselves.
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goingcatholic ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 13:48:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The impeachment of Donald Trump.
[deleted] ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:45:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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goingcatholic ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 20:22:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then maybe we take it a step further...
tomzephy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:41:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edgy
DayMan34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How do you think that would play out? It's an honest question.
goingcatholic ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 22:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, obviously we would end up with a disgraced former president and Pence would become the new man in the WH. After that, things would still not be getting done on the Hill, but there would be a somewhat more sane individual in the leadership. Then in for years Al Franken would be CIC and all would be well.
DayMan34 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:40:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're advocating for al Franken to be president. I'm not sure you're the authority on sanity.
goingcatholic ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:02:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Check his record. Just because he used to write for SNL doesn't make him the last bit unqualified. No less than a ranting, ignorant real estate mad man.
mikepictor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:45:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh man...that would be amazing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:50:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like Bill Clinton was?
isjusgaem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:57:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
why not both?
Brock1313 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 11:27:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Merging my consciousness with some form of robotic body and living forever.
l_dont_even_reddit ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:47:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total human annihilation, yes I'd like to see the world burn.
Retrograde_Lectin ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
hlessiforever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:49:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every plague must end!
redfrojoe ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full communism
beartiger3 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:13:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
anonymous_rhombus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
INSURRECTIONARY
Kathas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:42:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUXURY
hubert1504 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
QUEER
anonymous_rhombus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPACE
hubert1504 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ANARCHISM
antarctic_0 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:01:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coconut shaped sex toys
Slayer_Tip ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:18:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no wars ever.
flewers ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:10:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
but star wars
Thejunglebundle ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:04:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War is inevitable, it can not be stopped, only post-poned..
l_lawliot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yo watch Code Geass
Tschoz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:26:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bullshit. Every war is inevitable, if you're not lead by emotions like greed or lust for more power. There has to change something fundamentally in us humans to do that, but it's possible.
Testiclese ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:48:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War is just continuation of diplomacy when all other options have failed. War is not some event that exists in a vacuum - it's just what you do when the other guy doesn't do what you want them to do. It's just fisticuffs on a nation-state level, that's all.
Trying to "stop all war" is idiotic for the same reason that trying to "stop all arguments" is idiotic - unless you can fundamentally re-program human nature.
But it's a feel-good thing to say in the age of feel-good-bullshit, so here's your paper gold star trophy for playing, Timmy, good job, we're all very proud of you, now sit down.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:14:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh good, the kids are awake
ryan4598 ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 12:23:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A time where the,decent,well mannered and intelligent can come together regardless of political view,sexuality,religion or race to actually solve the real problems in this world. I'm of the belief that we can do much by ourselves but we can do much better with some good collaboration and a wealth of knowledge. Everyone has something to teach, we also need to quit bothering ourselves with existential questions. This is simple. The meaning of life is to die, the thing that matters is what you do in between. "Why are we here?" The answers are simple: to reproduce and then die. You bother yourself with the definite then you miss the indefinite. You were too busy looking at your phone to notice the hungry man begging for food you weren't paying attention and missed the woman who would have been your wife. The details of life are the most important things in it.
Awesomebox5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Main problem I see with this achievement, which problems are "real" problems? Why is your point of view automatically the correct point of view? I happen to agree that there's no real reason why we're here except to continue our own existence, but we're in the minority. Why is a hungry man my problem when the system is what allowed him to go hungry in the first place? You raise more questions than you answer.
ryan4598 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:47:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly my point asking questions and getting answers only raises more questions there is no finite meaning of life there is no purpose these are human constructs to occupy time
Awesomebox5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:49:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So your solution to the current political mess is to replace it with an existential mess? Something tells me you didn't really think this one through...
[deleted] ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 13:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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oxfay ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 17:25:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, like all those rich white people getting into Ivy League schools because their parents and grandparents went there.
garhent ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well all white people are rich rite? I mean all white people got it so fucking easy compared to all poor black folk. All black folk are born in chains and can't find a work due to their race and there is never a successful black person rite? Poor black/hispanic/white/asian anyone not of my own race because they can never succeed in America due to "privilege".
America decided to deal with discrimination by racially discriminating. Its like trying to cure the AID's epidemic by telling people to use abstinence, because no one ever has sex out of marriage or cheats.
jacksawbridge ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:47:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it would be pretty cool if more people were accepted into jobs or college based on merit rather than race based enrolment/employment schemes.
artteacherthailand ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 16:11:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have no idea what you are talking about, but you continue to speak. How about taking 30 seconds to read a wiki article?
steelersman007 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Um what
artteacherthailand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This guy is constantly writing about this, he makes baseless accusations about all sorts of stuff.
steelersman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But he's not wrong...there shouldn't be this perception that prestigious colleges need to have a quota on races- it should be by merit
artteacherthailand ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:41:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's exactly that, a perception. It isn't true. A person has to meet ALL of the other requirements, and race can't be a factor in NOT accepting someone, which is they way it was done for decades. It doesn't mean that black people are first in line, it means that black people get to be in line at all. All of this can be explained via a quick google search on affirmative action. It's so clear, but people against it won't bother doing the research because it will mean they have to find something else to complain about.
BTW, It was totally news to me a little while ago that Black people don't pay for college. Seriously? I have $75K in student loans from undergrad and Grad, does that mean I don't have to pay any of it back? People actually believe this stuff without even bothering to verify. If someone says something that can't be verified by at least 3 reputable sources, it probably isn't true.
steelersman007 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Race is extremely a factor in accepting someone. You take a slightly more qualified white male and a slightly less qualified black female and the black female is getting in 9/10 times
artteacherthailand ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:52:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again, read up on affirmative action, this is a myth that has been circulating for awhile, and isn't close to being true. It can be verified. You don't have to take my word on it.
Even more, your argument assumes that a while male is inherently more qualified no matter that the job is. You just assumed that a black female would be less qualified automatically. In addition to reading up, you should evaluate your own bias. Again, you don't need to take my word for any of this, go read it for yourself.
commander217 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:17:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all I have read up on affirmative action, it allows colleges to selectively choose applicants of different ethnic groups that have less measurable merits than other applicants in the name of increasing diversity. It allows race and gender and orientation to be a factor in college decisions, (only in accepting more diverse students). This is a fundamentally unequal practice. Also he gave an example of a white male being more qualified then a black female and losing a job anyway. An example that has been demonstrably true in numerous anecdotal and statistical breakdowns all over universities and workplaces. This example was made to prove a point which you ignored completely, instead lecturing him on the bias of his example, completely missing the point that THE EXAMPLE WAS MEANT TO SHOW BIAS. I guess I should use your same argument, examine your bias and search outside of your echo chamber, take a look at the facts and ask yourself as objectively as you can if this is truly a fair or equitable system.
steelersman007 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:40:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wasn't saying the white man is inherently more qualified I thought that was clear. It was just trying to show there is a need for elite universities to have that diversity
steelersman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:05 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aw they shut up now that they got proven wrong
artteacherthailand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:27 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This conversation was 5 days ago, you didn't prove anything, I have a life.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:43:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'll be a great day when affirmative action dies.
Mr-Frog ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cool, check that off the list.
Ttokk ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:38:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a particular invention, but I really can't wait until Battery Technology reaches a weight to power ratio that is outrageously better than it is now.
There are so many applications that don't even come to mind because you automatically assume something needs to be heavy and bulky if it's going to be powerful or have a battery that has a decent amount of energy.
Think of the quadcopters and drones and electric insects and things people will build when a bumble bee sized robot can be powered four weeks on a battery the size of a BB
Electric bikes and skateboards will turn into the mopeds and motorcycles of the future. Just imagine when the Heeley fad comes back around, kids will be whipping around and getting road rash on their six horsepower shoes that last for a week.
obtrae ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see affordable, self-driving cars that are powered by solar energy, readily available to the community. Right now it seems really far away from Africa.
Eagleheardt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:45:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
dabmg10 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:07:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality wether through an AI breakthrough or medical prolonging of life.
quinskin ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:00:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmation that we are not alone, microbial or otherwise. It's the only thing I NEED to know before I die.
CMD_RN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think this is a sure bet. There is at least a fungus or bacteria on a moon with water or planet with enough carbon.
Oppodeldoc ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:08:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reversal of the global warming trend and reliance on fossil fuels. Perhaps even the development of an efficient and cheap carbon capture system.
secretGod ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:12:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self driving cars becoming the norm. I hate driving.
dogsarefun ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:38:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see global warming reversed. Whether that's from halting the damage through clean, renewable energy or finding a way to scrub carbon from the atmosphere, I don't really care but I can't see any other human achievement really mattering in the long term if this one isn't done first.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:40:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefly Season 2
gcanyon ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:48:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The safe development of molecular nanotechnology and human-level AI. Both are inevitable, and either could easily be the end of mankind. If we get past both of those I think we will have passed the great filter. We are either going to see the best or the worst age of human life, and I'm not sure I like our odds :-/
metalvackal ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth having 0 weapon of mass destruction.
murder0708 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see a smaller gap in rich vs poor. The poor should be more taken care of and the rich should not be able to horde hundreds of millions the way they do now.
zappy487 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:57:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to live through two presidential impeachments.
_beaver_ ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The formation of the United Federation of Planets. Realistically, maybe not planets, but at least the unification of all nations in the search for and promotion of peace.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full communism
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want people to live a life exactly as I think they should, with no room for change or improvement. I know what's best for everyone, and I base my political opinions on that knowledge. I want everyone to wear uniforms and stand in a SINGLE-FILE LINE for bread. What else could I possibly mean by communism?
FibonaccisDizzy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Globalization. This silly patriotism thing has gone far enough. We know our actions affect others. So do policies. I'm fine with separate countries and cultures, but it's time for an overall, universal constitution (for lack of a better word) and set of rules which we abide by-like not fucking over the environment, your neighbors, or our collective future.
danhakimi ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:17:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting a girlfriend. I know, this one's a reach, but a man can dream.
Dear_Occupant ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The defeat of greed. I realize greed isn't going away, like ever, but I'd like to see it knocked off its pedestal. I'd like to know what it's like to live in a society where everything isn't quantified, where the sweetness of life isn't constantly reduced to the colorless all-color of money.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:40:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indefinite extension of natural life.
RevJT ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Alzheimer's.
ianwitten ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:42:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Closing the youtube app and don't have the music stop playing
LeCucumber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh yes and some YouTube app pip capabilities.
Mike_B_R ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income.
korneliuslongshanks ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:54:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A globally united currency, government and abolishment of borders. One Earth One People. Humans.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:25:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar powered everything. Clean energy. No plastic. No gasoline.
craigpacsalive ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:29:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Crohn's disease. Cure for Alzeihmer's.
A renaissance of the USA unless it implodes.
More work done to slow climate change.
A new Tool album.
killmaster9000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Federal legalization of cannabis
Desmoire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new tool album
Whitesheep34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My man
Psyman2 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:48:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of manual labor.
ChrisMcdandless ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:23:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey! I like manual labor!
[deleted] ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:14:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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steelersman007 ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dafuq
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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10RC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sound like a lazy teenager. No offense.
ChrisMcdandless ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:16:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right! It's good for you to be out and outing your hands to good use. Keeps you strong and builds common sense and problem solving.
ayojamface ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:55:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read Child Hoods end
Its by the same author who made 2001 a space odyssey.
Snokhund ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:20:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully uniting all the germanic peoples under one banner.
m0rkish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
which peoples count as germanic peoples?
breakbeats573 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:41:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples
BrooklynNets ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:10:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A form of transport less painful than commercial flight. I can't remember the last time I took a flight that wasn't miserable. I used to travel far more often, and it's because I didn't have to endure what feels like a fight at both ends of the trip.
[deleted] ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 12:38:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism
edit: with one word I sparkled a heated argument, had one of my most downvoted comments and was gilded for the first time. What a fun day!
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 58 points ยท Posted at 14:23:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...Finally erased from the earth
Nadieestaaqui ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 23:32:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came for this. You keep being you, you.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 06:54:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks
mtndewaddict ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 16:11:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you rather a system where automation is a threat to the working class?
barackamole ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 17:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like what people have been worried about for the last 200 years? We're still here and people found new jobs. Until technology can competely replace all jobs it's not really a problem and we're nowhere near that
Neverlife ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're vastly underestimating how many jobs automation will take over and how quickly it's going to happen.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 17:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, those are definitely the only two options, comrade
mtndewaddict ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:33:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what the current system is. Everytime minimum wage is brought up I always hear something to the affect of meet your replacement and it's just a tablet. If we don't make the switch to a system where the work place is controlled and manged democratically by the workers, automation would bring us back to a form of feudalism.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:43:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is so much wrong in your statement I don't even know where to start. But then again you are uniornically and unashamedly a communist, so your relationship with sane reality is tenuous at best.
mtndewaddict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What's to be ashamed about wanting a society that mirrors Revolutionary Catalonia or the Ukraine Free Territories? Do you have something against democracy, because communism is inherently making the work place democratic.
Happy_Salt_Merchant ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:48:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please, stop, my sides can only take so much...
I'm not gonna lead you on: I don't debate neo-nazis or communists, I just mock. If that's okay with you you're welcome to stick around comrade, otherwise go gather what at your communal farm.
mtndewaddict ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 18:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's what it is. If you want to ignore the fact of what communism aims for then that's on you. But if you think a democratic work place sounds like a good idea then you're some kind of socialist. You should actually read The Principles of Communism instead of letting the Red Scare hysteria dictate your opinions.
barackamole ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:15:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean like what people have been worried about for the last 200 years? We're still here and people found new jobs. Until technology can competely replace all jobs it's not really a problem and we're nowhere near that
kabloems ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 12:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
[deleted] ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 13:08:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AUTOMATED
randynumbergenerator ยท 28 points ยท Posted at 13:49:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUXURY
SenorMeltyface ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 14:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GAY
theobromin_junkie ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 15:14:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPACE
FoucinJerk ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:11:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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kabloems ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love you comrades
mtndewaddict ยท 14 points ยท Posted at 16:10:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
COMMUNISM
youraveragenightmare ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GAY
kidneystealer ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 13:24:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GAY
[deleted] ยท -29 points ยท Posted at 13:22:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Lightlim ยท 37 points ยท Posted at 13:44:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
to the gulag you go
YottaWatts91 ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 14:14:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOL! I'm dying
edit: Bunch of internet babies
bambamtx ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 15:40:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ELIMINATED
Pepsi_in_a_coke_can ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 15:40:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure people living in former Communist countries would disagree.
NebulousTranscendent ยท -15 points ยท Posted at 16:30:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They don't. Do some research.
willmaster123 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 00:26:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am from USSR and there is absolutely a huge amount of people who wish for communism to return, mostly Russians. Not 1920-1950s style totalitarian communism, but the life we had in the 1980s was not horrible. Life was without a doubt more stable and plentiful under USSR than 1990s when communism fell. I would say maybe 60% of people in USSR are nostalgic for those days.
HOWEVER talk to anyone from Poland or Albania or Cambodia or Ukraine about communist days and they will have VERY different opinions than those iRussians in USSR. They never had revolution, Communism was invaded into them and forced.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:38:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Jizz-_-Khalifa ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:51:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One country completely disproves an economic system!
hombredeoso92 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:55:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, every country that's ever gone down that route disproves that economic system
NebulousTranscendent ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 16:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Okay; firstly, we were talking about ex-communist countries, and the claim is that Venezuela is socialist now, not in the past. Secondly, Venezuela still has private ownership of land and the means of production, which is the most basic definition of socialism.
Edit: I meant to say capitalism, thanks /u/10TrillionDeadCops
ps; nice username conrad :)
10TrillionDeadCops ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you mean definition of capitalism
hombredeoso92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So what you're saying is that the reason socialism isn't working is that there's still too much capitalism?
NebulousTranscendent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of; I'm saying that although Maduro claims to be socialist, and he may have implemented some socialistic policies in the past (which, incidentally were pretty successful) the system is still capitalist, which is why Venezuela is failing.
hombredeoso92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 05:33:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But the Nordic countries are still capitalist with socialistic policies and they're far from failing.
Varean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intriguing, any place for me to start?
NebulousTranscendent ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 16:41:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most polls are made from a very capitalist standpoint, so the questions are sort of set up. This post on reddit, with citations is on the positive side, whilst the first results on google being fairly disingenuous, asking questions like "do you value freedom/democracy" rather than actually asking straight questions.But even those polls suggest support for communism in places like Poland and the Czech Republic.
It's also wort bearing in mind that there are many different varieties of communism. By the end, the USSR practically had state capitalism. I think many more people would support other forms of communism, like the post-scarcity communism of the FALGSC meme.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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NebulousTranscendent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 17:47:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's a complicated question but it mostly boils down to the inherently undemocratic nature of capitalism which will inevitably put as many barriers in the way of direct democracy as it can.
A big example of this is how large sums of money are needed to run for president/ have a political campaign.
linusjasper ยท 38 points ยท Posted at 15:15:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You should have more upvotes.
Even if you think communism is just a fantasy and impossible, this is a hypothetical question and to wish for communism is completely logical.
UndercoverPatriot ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:05:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not if you possess even the slightest knowledge of history. In fact you only need to look about 100 years back in the mirror to understand how communism is a completely unmitigated disaster of genocidal proportions.
linusjasper ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Look someone did not understand my comment at all. Hi there.
Let's just assume you are right. Communism is simply not achievable because reasons. That does not mean that a communist society is not something positive.
This is a hypothetical quesiton after all. OP would like society to reach Communism. You say that is not possible and ends in genocide. Alright, but this has nothing to do with the point.
If I commented "I would love to see humanity achieve world peace" would you also comment that this is not possible? Jesus Christ you are not really being undercover atm.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How can it be something positive when we have so much evidence to the contrary? Communism and communist thinking is the most murderous experiment of the 20th century by a long shot. Nazism is some toddler shit compared to the human atrocities communism is responsible for. It has lead to hundreds of MILLIONS dead, slaughtered, starved, tortured, displaced as a direct result of communists trying to usher in this "utopian" idea by force or any means necessary. I mean it doesn't even sound good on paper, nevermind how it works out in practical reality. Communism is fucking dangerous, due to the mechanisms of how authoritarians can allow it to slowly creep in and take hold over populations. It subverts entire societies, in cancerous ways, and once it has metastasized it becomes impossible to remove without massive bloodshed. Communism should rightly be shunned anywhere and everywhere it is mentioned. It is a cancer of humanity. The last 100 years is bloody proof of that. I wish people weren't so damn ignorant of history.
hombredeoso92 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 20:53:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Many people aren't ignorant of history. They're in denial that their beloved idea doesn't work.
I, personally, get where people are coming from where they want an equal society. But one of the major flaws is that it makes everyone equal, regardless of how hard they work, and that's how it fails because no one is going to work harder to improve themselves or society. If they want equality, they should be pushing for equal opportunity where everyone starts out equal and has the same opportunities, but those who work harder are rewarded more fairly.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:07:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly right, equality of opportunity, or also called equality under the law. It's a classical liberal principle, and something we have striven hard to achieve in western democracies. But communists believe in what is referred to as equity or equality of outcome, where everyone is supposedly equal regardless of effort or merit. This is completely and utterly incompatible with human nature. It destroys the human spirit. It destroys productivity, innovation, liberties and rights. It's the most retarded idea imaginable, even pre-school children understand the inherent unfairness in this concept, yet it's at the core of communist doctrine. Believing in this concept of equity must require some sort of serious mental defect, it takes all but a couple minutes of thinking to understand why it is completely and utterly doomed to fail.
Obesibas ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 20:39:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, the selfish and greedy assumption that you breath and therefore deserve the fruits of somebody else's labor is what makes a communist society not something positive.
linusjasper ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah you are right, no one deserves the fruits of someone elses labor, communists would probably agree. So why do employers do all the work while the CEOs get all the money? Over the last decades the salaries of the average CEOs multiplied again and again while the average entry level worker still earns the same.
The easiest way to make money is with the money you already have. If you already own a big enough business you earn more than the average worker ever could just by breathing and existing.
Obesibas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:22:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because 1. that isn't the case and 2. employees sold their labor willingly. Nobody is entitled to a car, but if you buy a car you own it. That is kind of how trade works. If you buy something it is yours.
Which isn't a bad thing, since poverty levels keep going down. World wide poverty is lower than ever before and the standard of living has increased tremendously all across the board.
Yes, because some people magically find a big business under their bed. Just appears out of thin air based on luck.
linusjasper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:59:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you believe "everyone can make it" and there was no luck involved then have fun being used for the rest of your life.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:26:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe anybody can make it. I believe becoming successful is a combination of luck and talent. I am also not being used in the slightest, since every job I ever had was 100% voluntarily and all of them will be in the future.
RoninAuthority ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 18:07:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But but but REAL communism has never been tried!
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UndercoverPatriot ยท -7 points ยท Posted at 18:11:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indeed, and you always meet this argument when talking to communists, I usually just link this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c . Completely debunks that dumb fallacy.
errv ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 19:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But that video is based on false assumptions from the start. It assumes Communists are trying to create a utopia, which they're not. Commies believe that socialism is when the means of production are controlled democratically, and this societal change will happen through a revolution, just as capitalism cemented its dominance through revolution. Communists believe that eventually, socialism will resolve the inconsistencies of capitalism, and eliminate the state, money, and classes. That's the definition of communism. It's not the government owning everything, and it's not a capitalist or socialist state ruled by a Communist party. Communism is simply a society communists believe will arise in the future, and will not have money, a state, or classes.
hombredeoso92 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:48:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, and that's what every "failed communist state" has attempted to obtain each and every time.
I'll admit, the idea of communism sounds great, but what good is a nice idea when it becomes a dictatorship where people are starving?
You may think I'm some hyper capitalist that benefits from the "slave labour of the poor" but believe me, I'm not. I'm just a normal, realistic guy that's able to recognise facts. If there were examples of where communism had worked, I'd be willing to give it chance but there's not.
errv ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:31:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the point though. Communism hasn't been tried, so there's no examples of it failing or succeeding. What I think you mean, is that socialism has repeatedly failed. If you are looking for a success story, look no further than Thomas Sankara. He was the leader of Burkina Faso, and within 4 short years he accomplished a great many things, making huge strides in education, women's rights, and food security. Within 4 years, Sankara made his country food independent, reversed desertification ended female genital mutilation, and made basic education mandatory for all children, girls included. At the same time, Sankara reduced pay for government employees, removed air conditioning in government buildings because regular people didn't have access to it. These are but a few of the achievements of Sankara, who unfortunately was assassinated after just 4 years by the French for nationalizing the mining industry in Burkina Faso.
hombredeoso92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:17:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry for taking so long to respond, I wanted to check this guy out. It seems like he did some good things. However, the problem I have with him, and most other communists/socialists, is that they have to do it through authoritarian regimes, often killing innocent civilians who oppose the regime. Personally, I don't view that as a success.
Now, Thomas Sankara may have been a good guy, but he had totalitarian power with no freedom of press. His successor may not have been that same good guy that Sankara was and totally abuse the power. Imagine someone like Putin taking his place.
So, in my eyes, it's not what communists do that I dislike, it's the fact that they usually achieve them through authoritarian means.
errv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:29:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree authoritarianism is bad, but no there's no reason socialism has to be that way. It's not like the next movement will be exactly the same as this one, and we can make that socialist government in any way. If you look at Yugoslavia, they had market socialism, meaning there was still a market but the firms in the market were democratically controlled by the workers. Today, something like 89% of Serbs consider the Yugoslavia era as the best time of their lives.
hombredeoso92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:42:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's true, but likewise, Yugoslavia wasn't exactly a success story for those outside of Serbia (the other Yugoslavia nations). In my eyes, the Nordic model is what we should be striving for. They encourage small businesses to prosper, so not so just a focus on the worker, but there's a lot of encouragement and help to start your own business. They also have a heavy focus on education and health and everyone has equal opportunities so people who work harder are rewarded justly, but no one is left to starve.
And they're all in the top 5 of the world's happiest countries so surely that means something.
errv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:46:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It surely does, by they maintain an unsustainable high standard of living through the use of what's essentially slave labor, notably in countries in south east Asia, but also in Africa and Latin America as well
hombredeoso92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree that the Nordic model needs to have a high level of production for it to be sustainable but it is pretty sustainable in the actual Nordic countries because they have high levels of production and such low populations. I don't believe that model would work somewhere like America because it simply wouldn't be sustainable given the size of the population.
Also, the Nordic countries (Iceland specifically) is very much self sustainable and relies very little on slave labour in South East Asia, Africa and Latin America, if at all.
I get the feeling we're both on a very similar page with our ideas with a few differences but we both want the same outcome.
errv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They rely on little slave labor? Who produces their clothes? Their phones? Their shoes? Who mines all the minerals needed for electronics?
hombredeoso92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably the same ones that any communist country would also use.
Nah, in all seriousness though, Iceland have their own clothing brands that are produced in Iceland alongside multiple other brands. They also get the electricity from geothermal activity beneath the ground.
I mean, that obviously doesn't stop them from buying goods that are produced by slave labour, but they certainly are way less reliant on it than most countries.
errv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously that's good, but I think my point stands. Even if they make ther own clothes, I'm sure huge portions of their economy IS based on slave labor in developing countries
UndercoverPatriot ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes exactly, and it has been tried many many times, and ended in disaster every time. Learn history.
errv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My point was that it hasn't been tried. Socialism has been tried, or at least, attempts at socialism.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 20:33:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism is the transition stage towards communism, so you are undermining your own point. The only thing we learned from the commie experiment is how to kill and starve the most people possible under tyrannical regimes.
errv ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 21:34:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is starvation only a crime for communist led governments? 20 million people die every year in capitalist countries from easily preventable causes, namely lack of clean water and food. Is capitalism not responsible for those deaths if communism is responsible for the famines that occurred in socialist countries?
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It comes down to responsibility and control. In a socialist society, all of the controls are in the hands of the state. Thus they are ultimately responsible for the collective. That's the entire point of the system. You give us, the ruling class, the power and the means of production, and WE distribute it. We decide who gets to grow and farm, how you you get to grow and farm, and ultimately who gets to eat. It's authoritarianism. So if the state fails to provide, the entire fault of mass starvation rests entirely on the state, state controls and state systems. Socialism as the authority system will be at fault.
In a capitalist society, responsibility and control is dispersed to the individual. You are free to make your own choices, control your own destiny, produce your own food and goods, and the state is merely responsible for giving you the platform to do so while making sure you are not harming others in that process, like a referee. Thus responsibility falls on yourself to make something of your life. You are entitled to the fruits of your own labor, not the state. So you reap the rewards of your own ability. But you also have to live with the consequences of your own choices. This is the fundamental morality of individualism.
That's the philosophical and moral difference that pertains to your argument. In reality it's a bit more nuanced, and there are several layers of responsibility and controls that can be peeled back in a capitalist system because obviously there are degrees in which the state has control vs individual control, but the state should ultimately not be responsible for your welfare, you should. So unless you can somehow prove that you wouldn't be starving under any other given system, then you can not blame capitalism for your failures.
errv ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:06:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not what socialism means though. Socialism is defined as workers controlling the means of production democratically, not necessarily controlled by thr state, but it could be. If you want examples of Libertarian socialist countries, check out Rojava and the former Republic of Catalonia.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:13:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you talking about socialism on paper? Because it never works that way. Socialism through the state is the only mechanism in which you can enforce it. When talking to socialists I always feel like I am talking to people in a cult. You give Rojava as your best example. A very militarized commune, in a wor torn country, that has existed for less than 5 years is your shining example of Socialism? It's a very precarious experiment, that is already in collision with the official Syrian government on many issues. You are willing to overthrow everything we have in the western world, with violence if necessary, to become like a Syrian commune. What in the fuck lol. I vote that all the socialists move to their utopian society in Syria, Venezuela, or North Korea and leave the rest of us the hell alone. You can leave tomorrow.
errv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ha, the old "if you don't like it, go away" meme. Classic. I assume that means that you enjoy every aspect of everything our government does then?
Obesibas ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 20:37:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTFY
linusjasper ยท 22 points ยท Posted at 20:40:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To wish for a system which is literally based on sharing, compassion and helping each other over a system that is based on competition and exploitation is selfish? Lmao
Obesibas ยท -14 points ยท Posted at 20:54:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A system that is based on mandatory "solidarity". You can have a system based on sharing right now. Call up your comrades and buy a large piece of land together and live out the rest of your days in a commune while sharing everything. Hell, you can even start a nonprofit where all communists around the globe donate their income into to all equally share and help each other out. Nobody is stopping you. But you don't want to share everything equally between consenting parties. You want the wealth of others to yourself.
linusjasper ยท 20 points ยท Posted at 21:21:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That is simply not true.
I literally just explained it to you. If we collectively shared all income equally between us that still would not solve the one thing I addressed: you work to create 1 dollar, you get 30ct and your boss gets the rest. He is literally doing the thing you hate communists for while communists fight against it.
You are simply not aware what communism is, you just repeat those lazy "lol socialist are lazy" "communists want to destroy america" phrases you have heard. How about you reas a book.
Obesibas ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 22:13:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sold your labor willingly without coercion. If you don't like the deal than don't uphold it. Quit your job.
[deleted] ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 22:18:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah no coercion except become homeless and or dying
Obesibas ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which isn't coercion. If not receiving anything for free if you refuse to work is coercion, oppression or exploitation than one of the figure heads of communism was as coercive, oppressive and exploitative as any capitalist.
"He who does not work, neither shall he eat", sound familiar?
[deleted] ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 22:32:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is that the worker is threatened with those things, while if the worker refuses to work for horrid conditions, the capitalist can just hire one of many other people. So the solution is to take control of your workplace, so you still have to work, but you have a say in how you work.
Obesibas ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The worker isn't threatened. The worker is offered a job and he can easily refuse. If you don't like the way your boss treats you, open your own company and treat your workers better than your competition. Nobody is forcing you to work.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 22:56:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah just own your own company its as simple as that! Lets assume this person somehow got the capital to start a business, and didnt fail almost immediatly, if this person treated their workers well theyd go out of business very quickly.
Also did you just read my post? You are forced to work, or else you will die.
Obesibas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How so? Wouldn't you support a business that treats their workers fairly? Are you saying that the majority of people don't care enough to buy products from a "fair" business? Interesting.
Which isn't just the case with capitalism. The same thing holds true for communism and for good reason. If you refuse to work while demanding all the things you need to live it effectively means that others need to work harder to financially support you. That somebody could be so selfish to believe that is just is beyond me.
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 00:10:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying most people cant afford it.
And im not saying people that dont work should be totally supported, but that condition gives capitalists the ultimate bargaining chip, so there can be fairness.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:17:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most people can afford it, they just don't value the working conditions of others over their luxury.
And by outlawing trade between consenting adults you just have the government an even better bargaining chip with a monopoly on violence as a cherry on top. How is that better?
linusjasper ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 23:06:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thats the way it is in our system yeah.
It does not have to be that way. Why anyone except for the richest 0.1% would think what you thinks is beyond me.
Saying that this was voluntary is like me inviting you on my boat, driving out on open water and then telling you that you can either suck my dick or get the hell off of my boat in the middle of the ocean. I never forced you to suck my dick. You could have just gotten off of my boat.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then what is your alternative? Because it comes down to this: do you believe two consenting adults should be able to conduct trade? I think they should indeed be able to do that. If I hate doing the dishes and offer my roommate 10 dollars to do them I am not exploiting him, now am I? I can now begin a long and boring analogy how that could grow out into a cleaning business in the long term, but I am sure you can see how that'd be possible. My question is this: where in that process do you think it should be illegal for me to do what I did? How is me paying somebody a tenner for a simple chore any different than me paying some guy 10 dollars an hour for the same chore but then 40 hours a week? What would go to far and what would be allowed, according to you? And why do you think it is okay for others to determine what I do with my wealth or labor in the first place?
What kind of analogy is that? You and your boat are the only thing that makes it possible for me to live. That is not the case in our current system, since you can work for somebody else than your current boss, you can be self-employed or you can try to live of the land somewhere.
Purdhouse ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:28:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism promotes exploitation and manipulation. There is only so much true "demand" and the majority of today's demand is fabricated by big business's manipulative skills.
By definition, there is only so much "need" in a society. The remainder of the fruits of capitalism are simply luxuries and indulgences. Foreign investing in the name of capital is stripping resources from the third world and putting their control in the hands of already ridiculously wealthy individuals. Countries are suffering for the simple lack of resources to offer, and resources they can offer are regularly sucked from their lands by foreign companies. In today's monetary society, individuals can simply be bribed to neglect any possibility of regulation.
The fact that one man can hold the resources to support thousands of people is simply atrocious. This only promotes the desire to manipulate and exploit at every opportunity. With the advent of today's automation technology, the quantity of individuals required to produce the worlds necessities, and indulgences, is reduced. Population isn't in turn reducing. We are literally automating ourselves out of employment, and the capitalist will reap the benefit.
Robots are more efficient, more repeatable and more reliable than the average human. The capitalist is out to maximize capital, and will therefor take any opportunity to do so.
Why not focus on the actual needs of [the] people, and ensure that everyone is taken care of? There will always be ambitious people willing to make a difference. I believe that without the crippling, constraining effect of capitalism, the world's geniuses would have much less impeding their flourishing.
But if you think Hollywood movies and ivory and gold are more important than individual health and well being, well then I guess I'm arguing the case for no reason.
Obesibas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:29:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah yes, those damn businesses luring me in with their nice products. Those bastards.
You typed out unironically on a device that is made partly with the slave labor of little kids in the Congo. You are contributing to the problem you hate so much just as much as the next guy.
And that will never happen in a communist state, because forcing people to hand over their property to the government will somehow magically get rid of all the corruption in governments around the globe.
I am assuming you live in the west, so correct me if I am wrong, but what you spend every month on simple things like your telephone plan and internet is enough to feed multiple families in Africa. Stop hoarding your wealth and share it with them if you think they deserve it more, nobody is stopping you. Saying that some people aren't deserving of money they earned themselves is ridiculous. They didn't steal it and the fact that they own it doesn't mean others can't have a good life too. In fact, numbers show that even though the top 1% in the world is getting richer and richer the poorest people on earth also get better lives as time goes on. So what is the problem here? Income inequality is not a problem, poverty is. And the poverty in the world is dramatically decreasing with each passing year.
Because the "capitalists" are the ones that are making that change possible. If you don't like them creating robots you can try to build one yourself.
Duh?
Because it is 1. impossible to achieve and 2. not our collective burden to care for every single person on earth. I don't owe you anything and you don't owe me anything. It is not up to you or anybody else to forbid my to conduct business with consenting adults nor are you entitled to the profits derived from it. The fact that you were born doesn't mean the rest of society has to take care of you for no reason whatsoever. And to believe that people should be legally obligated to do so and should be thrown in a cage if they refuse to cater to your laziness is very telling.
Good, let them earn be rewarded then. Or better yet, don't steal their rewards for yourself because you lack ambition and talent.
Yes, it is obvious that you believe that. It is called wishful thinking and isn't based on any reality or facts whatsoever. There are many countries around the globe, including mine, where people who aren't fit or just too lazy to work receive an income from the government and guess how much of them are masters in some sort of craft or contributing to society? Fucking none. Never heard of a single one of them. But please, prove me wrong. Provide me with a reliable source that shows welfare has a positive effect on output. I'll be waiting.
I care deeply about individual health and well being, far more than Hollywood movies and ivory and gold. That is why I don't own any ivory, nor any gold and that is also why I also spend far more on charity than I do on entertainment. That is also after taxes, which are astonishingly high here for some backwards reason.
Purdhouse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 03:02:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advertising and marketing campaigns aren't all targeted to consenting adults. The promotion of unhealthy products and activities is pretty much only carried out in the name of capital. Without the motivation of capital, why would big business try to manipulate at all?
Yes, I used my iPhone to type this message. Yes I have devices and I live in the first world west. I realize that the rare earths and other components of my phone were mined either in Africa or China. They were also refined somewhere other than here, where (lack of) environmental regulations allow them to be refined for cheap. What is the motivation behind this child labour and destruction of the environment? I think it may be capital.
The economy is global. To think and argue it on a country or single government level no longer holds much value. I'm not necessarily promoting any currently established economic system, so much as I am reducing capitalism to its ills on society, which greatly outweigh its benefits, in my opinion.
I realize the general individual well being increases with the years. This should be attributed to human advancement and science. Not all of this was conducted under the capitalist economy. I would o as far as to say that the economic structure bears little on the progress of science and technology. Capitalism may even be consciously reducing certain progress for the very sake of hoarding capital.
If you think charities are a good way to spend your "hard earned" money, then I implore you to invest in them. I see them simply as an attempt at reducing a horrible symptom of capitalism. Why donate to these charitable organizations when we can eliminate the requirement for the organizations altogether? Yours is a short term solution.
Point me to a billionaire that's personally created all of his accredited innovationsโฆ Sure, some people are ambitious, they get lucky, they have an idea, they make millions from it. Contrast that with the much greater quantity of gifted individuals who are contributing to their employers' success. Whether their employer chooses to compensate them accordingly is completely up to them. Much wealth is not earned in the "fair" way you seem to think it is.
Also if you think that we can't collectively ensure the well being of the world's population, I think you're mistaken. Every day, enormous quantities of necessities are wasted.
I'm suggesting positive change. You seem to be suggested further oppression and exploitation. I understand that not all individuals are compassionate, and many should rightly be selfish (evolutionarily, we all should be). However I feel that we DO have a collective obligation to ensure that humanity is taken care of. Some of us are blessed with luck, while others are not. Some of us are blessed with ambition, while others are not. Who actually cares? Clearly you do, you don't want to give your money to your neighbour because he can't find a job, but you'll gladly give it away to charities claiming to help Africans, who are simply suffering because of the oppression and exploitation caused by the west.
Do you seriously think there are enough jobs for everyone? Tell me which particular industry is lacking? Tell me where all these homeless, jobless individuals can go get a job tomorrow? We can't all work at McDonald's bud. They're only hiring one guyโฆ
Taxes are a necessity in capitalism. The government represents the people. They're(you're/the people are) essentially competing with private corporation for wealth. Infrastructure is another necessity in today's society. The collective people (the government) can't materialize money out of thin air, therefor they must collect money from the individual. Running for government requires wealth, and wealth is acquired via "corporate donation" or lobbying. No wonder government isn't catering to individual need. Instead wealthy corporations get the collective people's money in subsidies. Why are we giving our money away to already wealthy individuals?
Alsoโฆ I'm not aware how to reply to sections of the comment as you've done. It would be neat if you would fill me in.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:15:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incredibly large wall of text ahead. I even had to edit stuff out because of the character limit. My apologies in advance.
That is a good point, but if children buy products they are spending the money of their parents who knew beforehand their kids weren't going to spend it wisely anyway. Of course this isn't always the case, since underage adolescents can also spend and earn money. But the fact of the matter is that companies don't force you to buy their products, they are only trying to convince you. Nobody is going to kill you if you don't buy an iPhone.
Of course people are motivated by capital. The more money you have the more time you can buy. If you don't want to spend a few hours a week cleaning your house you can trade somebody money to do it for you. The same goes for cooking, the same goes for gardening, the same goes for literally. It is completely logical to want more money. I don't see how you see it is a bad thing. Because of manipulation? Do you believe you buy most of your stuff because you were manipulated into buying it? Because I own a lot of useless shit that I enjoy to have and I wasn't manipulated by companies to buy it. I was merely made aware of the fact that I wanted their product.
Which you contributed to by paying them to make your life more comfortable, even though you knew full well that the products they provide are made with child slave labor. How is a guy seeking personal profit to better his life less moral than you seeking unnecessary products to better yours?
Benefits being that people all around the globe have better lives on average then they did 10 years ago, or 20 years ago or whenever. Especially in the west, where even the lower incomes live a more comfortable life than kings a few centuries ago. And of course, we can totally agree on the fact that there are still plenty of problems we have to work on. But for me the solution to those problems is not putting a gun to my head and force me to hand over my money to an ineffective government that'll use my money for things I probably don't support. I am all for helping others, especially those that are less fortunate than I am. In fact, I see it as my moral duty to do so. But that does not mean the government should force me to do it and certainly not force me to do it their way.
Hoarding capital isn't a thing. You can't hoard capital. Name one case of a person hoarding their capital that wasn't some lunatic stuffing hands full of cash in his matras because he doesn't trust bankers.
Because a charity is voluntarily and I can give my money to a cause that I support. Taxes aren't voluntarily and I can't pick and choose where my money goes to.
Why is that necessary? I don't get this mindset at all. What if I came up with an amazing idea or had a vision for the future that I felt I needed to achieve in order to better the world. Take Impossible Foods, for example. They are currently in the process of launching a meatless hamburger that tastes, bleeds and smells like real meat or at least close enough to fool some. I truly believe and hope that that company will be an incredible succes, because it should be entirely possible to make something consisting of 100% vegetables cheaper than meat and it will be far, far better for the environment. That alone is enough to make it a succes, but in the process we will end the horrible bio-industry. The guy who started that company didn't do all of it on his own, he has many people working for him that all agreed to sell their labor. If that company becomes a succes it isn't because of the guy who is packaging the food and it isn't because of the scientists that are developing the burgers. It is because the founder had a vision and was determined to achieve his goal. To believe that they didn't contribute or are somehow undeserving of the profits they earn because others (that sold their labor willingly for an agreed upon amount of money while being aware of the terms) were involved too is just a mindset I can't get behind. Do you actually believe the rich to just sit in their leather chairs, smoking cigars while yelling at their butler what they want to do with their money? "James, I want meatless meat to be a thing, make it happen you peasant!" No, that is not how it works and even if it would work that way the guy still made a better future possible. I really don't see how people can look at a billionaire and believe it is unfair that they have that much money.
Being gifted and ambitious isn't enough. That is obvious. Bill Gates isn't the richest man alive because he is the most ambitious or the most gifted. He was lucky and he had the talent. People aren't being robbed because they work for somebody else. Because, again, they willingly did so. If you have an amazing idea to better the world or earn a fortune you can lay the ground work while being employed for somebody else or even while still in school. If you want to work for yourself do so, take the risk and accept the challenges. Because there are plenty people who do just that. They dedicate their life to making a succes of their business and often take on large amounts of debt and work their asses of for years and years on end before they start to see any profits, if they even can manage to achieve that, since a majority of business owners goes bankrupt in the first five years. And then, after all those years of hard work and stress you finally start earning enough money to buy things you want and to save up for retirement some 25 year old kid who just finished college applies to a job at your company and once he gets the job he believes that he is being shafted because he can't afford the same car as the guy that literally spent his life building the company from the ground up and says he is just doing nothing while the kid "forced" to earn money for him. Do you have any idea how disrespectful that sounds? If you sincerely believe you can just dump money into a business and sit on your ass all day while amassing a fortune then do so. Go to the bank, tell them that you want to buy a company that is for sale and if it is that easy of an investment they will certainly loan you the initial capital.
If you look at the data of wealth in correlation to population, you will see a trend. The trend being that the minute a country becomes wealthier is the minute their population growth skyrockets. That is because poorer countries have an astonishing amount of babies per family, because most don't survive to adulthood and their kids are quite literally their retirement fund. As soon as the wealth in a country goes up the health of the nation improves, meaning less immature deaths, but the birth rate won't go down for a view generations. This is because the rate at which a country produces offspring is tied to culture. All of this means that if the entire world would have the same level of wealth as the west that the world population would sky rocket. I am not an expert on the topic and I am not pretending to be, but it seems logical to me to assume that it will reach a point that we cannot support the number of people. What then? Forced sterilization? Ration the food so everybody will be hungry but not starve? Take the food away from those that not contribute?
And beside the practicality, I believe it to be immoral for others to force me to contribute to a cause I might not believe in. What if I don't want to help my fellow man, who are you to make me do so anyway?
You are suggesting a change that you believe to be positive and you are under the impression that I suggest something you see as oppression and exploitation. That is the whole point. You don't have the moral high ground and neither do I, because we do not agree on what is morally just.
You seem to believe that it is morally just to use force to make people help each other and specifically to force some people to help more than others. You are advocating for the use or threat of violence to get people to fund for the things you believe are desirable.
I believe that every person should strive to help others and that somebody who refuses to do that is a morally bankrupt person, but I do not believe that he should be punished by the government for that. I don't believe that somebody who refuses to pay for my education, healthcare, food, housing or whatever deserves to be taken from his home by armed men and thrown in a cage. I see that as real oppression and exploitation.
As I already mentioned I 100% agree we have the obligation to help each other. But that obligation is and should always be a moral one, not a legal one. As you said, some people do not care for others, so why should we force them to help them? If not enough people voluntarily donate to help others then that obviously means the people have spoken and they don't care about the cause.
I hate subsidies even more than welfare, so you're really preaching to the choir here. And yes, taxes are a necessity, since that is the only way for a government to function and I do believe government is necessary to protect us from harm. I just don't see how a government of the people should be used to take money from your neighbor. Stealing money from others isn't morally just because you outnumber those you steal from. If you, Bill Gates and I vote on the matter if we should redistribute our wealth equally it doesn't make it morally just if we did because we both voted yes on the subject.
You use this > symbol at the beginning of the section you want to quote.
linusjasper ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 23:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless you don't have money of course.
The problem is another. Your comparison is not fitting. Your boss pays you 10 dollars for the fact that you have done work in the worth of 100 dollars.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:20:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, what is this a reply to?
My comparison is fitting, since there is no difference between me paying somebody for my own convenience and me paying somebody for my own profit. The terms of the deal are exactly the same. Work traded for money. What business is it of mine if I sell my labor for an agreed upon amount of money and the person that rightfully bought it proceeds to earn extra money with it? How does somebody else earning a living nullify my initial consent?
linusjasper ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 01:13:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is leading nowhere, either read up on communism or don't, right now you don't seem to know what it even is
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:40:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You could be so kind to explain it to me. I've always been taught that if you understand something completely it gets very simple to explain to others and if you can't manage to do that you don't actually know as much as you think. So please, to somebody that has yet to study the works of Marx and the likes of him: what is communism all about. I am open minded, so don't be shy.
linusjasper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can always start here
That is from the sidebar of r/communism101
Click through it if you will, the sidebar also has other resources and the page lists further material. You can also click through the sub itself if that is more of your thing but I feel it usually is not enough.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:52:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, seriously. Could you explain to me what you see as communism in your own words. I ask, since I know that not all communists are the same and they don't agree on everything. So instead of saying "read up on what I believe" you could actually explain what it is you believe. I mean, it is quite simple to sum up what attracts you to this ideology, right? Not a difficult thing to do.
linusjasper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly: I might actually do this tomorrow (5 AM now, on mobile), but atm I get the feeling that you are not trying to understand or learn, you simply want to put me on the spot by asking me to explain it. I have linked resources that pretty much explains at least the basic parts of what I believe, you are right that not all socialists or communists agree on everything(which ideology does) but the differences are often in tiny specifics.
I have linked you resources so atm I see no reason to type out hundreds of words for you, especially not when you do not actually care but rather just hope for me to make a mistake of some sort in my explanation so that you can focus on that and dismiss everything else.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:10:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd appreciate it. And I am willing to learn, but it is also impossible to discuss the merit of communism if I am not sure what kind of communism you believe in, because there seems to be a lot of difference among communists. I am not trying to make you say something that I can later use against you in a "haha gotcha" moment. It isn't a presidential debate, it is a discussion about different philosophies on a site filled with neckbeards.
Purdhouse ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:08:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens when this individual starts cleaning everyone's apartment, for $1 less than the competitionโฆ better yet, this individual builds and patents the rights to a robotic cleaner, capable of cleaning the world's apartments in minutes. This person now has a monopoly on apartment cleaning, due to the fact that he was "the first one there". Now extrapolate this idea to all possible servicesโฆ this is the outcome of capitalism.
If you think anybody can just start providing some service in the face of the wealthiest competition, and actually be successful, I feel that you are drastically mistaken. The fact is that there are the lucky few who are successful in society, and it's at the expense of everyone else.
The only way I see today's capitalism continuing to "prosper" (as if that's the right word) is if we attempt to introduce meaningless, wasteful services. And these services will only be available to the select few with the actual capital to acquire them.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:38:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He offers the same or better service for a lower price and thus gets more customers. If he somehow manages to undercut his competition while still making a profit he will be successful and everybody will be better for it, since they have now clean apartments for a lower price.
Great! Now everybody who owns an apartment will get it cleaned for an incredibly low price and we all benefit from the service this guy provides.
Sounds absolutely amazing. Where do I sign up?
If they have a better product for a lower price then they absolutely can. If they can't manage that why should people pay them for something that is of piss poor quality and overpriced?
Luck and talent. And no, it isn't at the expense of everyone. Economics isn't a zero sum game. Me earning a fortune doesn't take that fortune away from somebody else. If you'd actually bother to look op the numbers you could see that the people at the top, the global 1% and especially the global 0,1%, get richer and richer each year and the people at the bottom get less poor simultaneously. Poverty is dropping at an astounding rate and it is getting better every passing day. Even though correlation doesn't equal causation it is hard to argue that people getting richer at the top takes that money away from the bottom, because if that was the case the numbers would reflect that.
And you aren't a goddamn fortune teller. You don't know what the future has in store for us and we don't know how much of the jobs will be automated. Best we handle that problem when it actually exists than to try to predict the future, since the last time a leftist did that it didn't end well.
Purdhouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope. Not a fortune tellerโฆ I assume you might be though? So how about instead of steer this boat away from the iceberg, we just wait to see what happensโฆ after all, there's live music and alcohol and this boat and everyone is having a blast! (Ohโฆ except for the humans we have rowing the thing)
Alsoโฆ you're pretty hostile bud. No need to get all rowdy over a difference of opinion.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:07:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But everybody is having a blast, that is the point. Poverty world wide is at an all time low and decreases with every year.
And sorry, I tend to get a little fired up when I'm talking about politics. One of my many flaws.
Purdhouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You'd think we were debating about religion or something! Geezโฆ it's just economics
Obesibas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me it's more about politics than economics, really. And I feel that runs a lot deeper than religion.
Purdhouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:27:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. These are the true world issues. Religion is irrelevantโฆ I was just poking fun at it's perceived sanctity. People tend to get worked up during debates about religion
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:14:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FYI - All the down votes are coming from the snowflakes over at /r/LateStageCapitalism . . . They linked you comment there.
Obesibas ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:17:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No surprises there. The propaganda brigade is always active.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 40 points ยท Posted at 14:03:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because that has worked out so FANTASTICALLY well in the past...
N00B_REKKER_9000 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:19:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instead of down voting how about we ask this person why they think what they think, how about that?
Obesibas ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 20:40:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would we ask? The answer is obvious. He is a greedy and selfish person that is convinced others should be forced to feed him.
marx2k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:38:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that's what you think.
Obesibas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, that is what communists actually believe. What else could it be?
khukk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it not greed to let people starve while you have a surplus?
Obesibas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't know capitalism forces people to keep their money while others suffer. Ever heard of charity? Some people actually voluntarily help others without the government forcing them to.
khukk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It doesn't force it, but it does incetivize the ones who do. The more money you put into a your business the more money you make in profits. Even with charity there are still poor, homeless, etc. That is a direct cause of capitalism. Not to mention that charity (in my country at least) is a tax write-off and can be manipulated an taken advantage of.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:22:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, so?
Which means that people don't care enough about the poor to actually help them. Who are you to force them to do so?
It probably can't. Name a way how you could manipulate that to your own advantage.
khukk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you don't need force only greed for inequality
with capatalism as a main problem for some, socialism is remedy (medicaid, Medicare, SSI, food stamps, etc). You're right. You don't have to care about your neighbors, but it's the sum of the whole population that makes a country strong.
Basically I can donate an asset to you worth 50M,and get the tax write-off for 50M, meanwhile it's only worth 20M, so I pocketed 30M. Its borderline tax fruad but never/rarely gets persude because of how hard it is to litigate.
Obesibas ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:50:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saying that you actually believe humans need incentives to care for each other says a lot about your personality. And besides, if people don't actually care about others as much as about their luxury items and own wealth, then who are you to forbid them from doing so? Do you believe it should be illegal to not care about the things you care?
Welfare isn't socialism. And welfare funded through taxation effectively means that yes, I do have to care about my neighbors, since it is illegal not to financially support them.
You have absolutely no idea how tax write offs work. Charitable donations gets added to your expenses, meaning that you don't pay income tax about it. If the tax rate is 50% and I earn 200 dollars, I will be taxed 100 dollars. If I donate 100 dollars to charity I will only have 100 dollars left to tax so I will have to pay 50 dollars in taxes. Leaving me with 50 dollars in total. That is how a write off works. You can't just donate 100 dollars and avoid the 100 dollars taxation you had to pay, leaving you with a 100 dollars in your pocket. So in your example, if somebody pays 100 dollars to charity but the donation is actually somehow less than that without the government finding out (????) they'd probably pay more in charitable donations than they had to pay in taxes in the first place since paying 20M over a 50M profit is still 40% of your profit gone. So even in your totally made up scenario that will never be possible in the real world it is still not beneficial to donate to charity for a corporation. Literally the only thing that is beneficial about it is the PR.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:39:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GREAT!
Hamsterkommissar ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 13:38:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 14:19:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who's going to pay for that?
TrumpLikesWallsMAGA ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:23:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Duh top 1%!
LumberDrumber ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 20:53:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The magic money fairies, of course!
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to schedule a meeting
IgnoreAntsOfficial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other countries with lesser militaries!
hlessiforever ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:42:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd rather see de-commodification of the necessities of life, like housing healthcare and education. Universal income seems like something that will just end up being a political tool being traded back in forth between the two parties in America.
Tschoz ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:24:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nah, I don't want people on Mars to earn as much as people on Earth do.
wahtong ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 11:12:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not let technology completely take over.
[deleted] ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 11:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Lawsoffire ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 12:09:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, a fellow singularitarian in the wild.
I want to say "wait for the movie comparisons" but that's too late i guess.
goldman199X ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:04:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pure insanity.
A1_ThickandHearty ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 11:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen the matrix or terminator
Lawsoffire ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:05:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Movies are known for their accurate future predictions.
AI are the sharks of technology. Sure they can be dangerous but handle the situation correctly and nothing happens. But in movies everything dies instantly
Lost4468 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:39:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think you can control a super intelligence when it's hard to control lesser intelligent creatures.
Lawsoffire ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:52:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no we won't control it. Never. That's like ants trying to outwit a human. Even 7.5 billions working together wont be able to comprehend how smart it is.
"Handling the situation" in this case is making sure the first ASI (basically machine god) has our best interests in mind. Which is why tech billionaires are pouring money into AI research.
But even then the matrix and terminator comparisons are still invalid. An ASI wont kill us all because it is evil, but because it's goal is entirely alien and incomprehensible to us. Like the hypothetical "Paperclip maximizer"
Handling the situation is not something humanity can do now, especially because of the general public's ignorance of how AI works. But I'm fairly confident that as the first AGI is approaching it will start to be taken seriously
It will happen at some point anyway. So lets make sure the good guys (like OpenAI) reach there first.
This explains it much better than I can. It's a very long read though
GrammerPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So basically The Culture is what you are talking about.
Lawsoffire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Initially a lot less sapient (if at all) and probably a lot less human than GSVs. But the similarity is there (hopefully the outcome too)
Even an AI that is much, much smarter than us in every way. On the same scale as we are smarter than ants might not even be sentient in the slightest. It might just be the tool that just does everything for us like a regular computer except much better and without any programming or problem solving skills needed("Hey, can you unify quantum physics and general relativity?" and it spits out a massive book titled "Physics: The complete edition" in a matter of seconds. or any other problem you might have)
again, if its made correctly. If its goal is "Maximise paperclip production" instead of "answer the questions we ask and nothing else". it would see humans as hindrance in producing paperclips or just not notice us at all. but the paperclips will be produced until the entire mass of the non-stellar solar system is paperclips and a dyson swarm producing the power needed.
The goal is everything, at least for the first one until ASIs are commonplace (Or humanity itself have ascended to become AI)
hgoel0974 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:54:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't need to control it, just make sure it doesn't want to end us, doesn't have qualms with being shutdown, and doesn't really have its own agenda. In essence, something that isn't a human intelligence, but is intelligent in the problem solving sense. I think we're kind of approaching exactly that kind of thing with our increasingly good at solving certain types of problems kind of AI.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's more intelligent than us, how exactly would you control that? I mean humans can do pretty incredible things with our limited intelligence, a superior one would necessarily need to have a concept of free will, otherwise it wouldn't really be more intelligent would it?
hgoel0974 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I disagree, free will isn't necessary for the kind of thing I'm thinking of, the "intelligence" doesn't need to be able to determine the problems, it only needs to be able to solve them, in essence being a very powerful optimization algorithm and nothing more. Plus, regardless of how much smarter it is, it can't break fundamental rules of the world, like how math works. Thus, if we design the AI on a system that mathematically has a kill switch, as was done a while ago in a paper by Google, where they modified their neural network to have a kill switch built right into the activation function, which forms the fundamental component of the AI, thus not being something that can be eliminated without outright rewriting and redesigning itself.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But if you think about what solving problems entails, it requires in humans some sort of creativity and outside the box thinking. It is often a necessity to break the paradigm that the problem is contained in, in order to find the solution. And this is where I believe you have to relinquish control. If AI algorithms were "safe" and "controlled", it wouldn't necessarily be intelligent, just a glorified super computer that can do computation really efficiently. In which the quantum computing field will probably give us something more in that direction. But actual superior intelligence as I understand the term would be extremely dangerous for humankind, and besides, I don't think it is actually possible for us to create something beyond our own intelligence. We have to design/create something that is by definition beyond our ability. Seems quite paradoxical.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligence is important, but logistics is far more important.
A super intelligence isn't some kind of magic. It is a program, which must run on some kind of infrastructure which will rely on access to electricity, information and communication; and will ultimately be limited by processing time and computing resources.
The claim that some superintelligent AI can find a way to manipulate the system and go rogue would require for us to have designed the system with a lot of logistical autonomy given to the system. Not impossible, but quite unlikely.
I'm much more worried about individuals and state actors INTENTIONALLY designing AI for doing really nefarious things; especially online. But the trope of the inherent uncontrollability of super intelligence isn't grounded in reality.
Lost4468 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I could say the same thing about imprisoning humans.
MjrK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then as I stated, quite unlikely.
But, lets follow this line of reasoning. Imagine if a highly intelligent prisoner escapes (IQ 170+) and vows he will destroy all of humanity. Let's say she gains access to food, water, and a massive data center worth of computing power; but we haven't yet identified where he is hiding out.
We give her a ridiculous amount of time to learn about our systems through the internet, and plan out and execute some attack(s). Now the attacks might be very sneaky at first, or some kind of massive onslaught. Or perhaps, the attack is by political manipulation - attempting to destabilize geopolitics worldwide.
Ultimately, I don't claim this isn't a possible scenario that we would need to address. My claim is that even in this scenario, the prisoner is still limited in his ability to cause a catastrophe or to control society. Further, each attack waged by this prisoner over the internet provides us more clues for catching and dealing with them - especially if we have coordination between internet service providers and law enforcement agencies.
Rogue AI isn't a non-threat. But it certainly isn't the most important reason to be worried about AI.
warm_ice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The AI we currently have isn't the same thing as this imaginary AI you see in the terminator etc. The media loves to paint it but if you read up on it, anybody who knows anything about the subject is not worried
Lawsoffire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Should have written it like that for clarification. Of course Google's algorithm won't kill us. Nor Will Facebooks AI that finds the perfect ad.
ANI are dumb by default. No matter the computing power.
Some experts are worried however. Though Google's lead AI dude (whose ancient predictions are still true) is not. So i hope he is right
PubliusPontifex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1: we would no longer be in control of the situation, we couldn't handle it at all
2: they're like sharks if we were fish, the only advantage humans have over sharks is being able to outthink them, with AI we're the sharks and they're the humans.
Theguywhosme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You mean the fictional movies?
A1_ThickandHearty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zero_the_Unicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you seen Wall-E?
Awesomebox5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:25:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans are the aggressors in both the Matrix and the Terminator stories, the movies kinda skip over those parts. Don't try to kill AI and it won't try to kill you back is the lesson that should be taken.
Ethanlac ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:34:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All right, Ray Kurzweil.
Lawsoffire ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:00:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
>Ray Kurzweil
>"Negative outcome"
Absolutely not him
MelMes85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For what purpose? I can guarantee you will completely change your mind given certain negative outcomes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MelMes85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is the exact reward? What do you hope to get from it?
SimonFench ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read "the robot novels" by Isaac Asimov. There are a few benefits.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MelMes85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree to an extent. Don't see how this will cure mental disease unless you want everyone to become an AI robot. In that case, I don't want to live in a world like that.
How could AI achieve world peace? You would put the AI in charge of everyone? What would make them ethical beings?
How would AI achieve this?
Again, why would AI necessarily achieve this?
Is there any reason to believe that we can cure mortality? And if we transfer ourselves to a robot form, we will no longer be human, our existence would be artificial.
Why would AI come up with this?
It seems like you're fixated on AI leading to a supreme IQ that can fix every problem in the world. But when you give something that amount of power, and make it in the image of a being that is selfish and ultimately flawed, whose to say the AI won't end up with the same flaws? The reason there are so many bad stories associated with AI is because it's clearly a risky idea that we don't need to pursue.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skynet?
Ten_bucks_best_offer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A.I. is limited by our own processing power. The only thing an A.I. could do better is calculate faster and more accurately. We can only program what we know and the base of what we know can only go so far. That creates a stopping point of the furthering of the intelligence for the A.I.. The thing that keeps us ever going, ever expanding, and ever evolving is imagination. We can't really program imagination because we don't actually understand it fully (possibly never will). We know we have it and we know we can use it but we don't know where it really comes from or how it works. Generally, each part of the brain has certain functions. This part handle that, that part handles this. We have studied, seen, and documented this. Sometimes multiple parts of the brain work together. When observing the brain while someone is using their imagination the brain lights up like a Laser Floyd show. Going even further than that, how much and which parts of the brain are used changes on what one is doing with their imagination. Just imagining a shape causes different brain function than if one were to imagine the shape then deconstruct and/or change the shape.
I don't think there will ever be better processing power than the brain.
An A.I. mind would be cold and calculated. It would dismiss that which it deemed irrelevant or nonsense. Irrelevant and nonsense is where human leaps and bounds comes from.
wahtong ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want a Skynet to happen in the near future. We humans are flawed enough as is.
blash96 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 12:08:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skynet will fix all our flaws wheres the problem?
wahtong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unless the machines think they can do a better job running the planet.
blash96 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 12:36:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skynet wiped out humanity therefor fixed all its problems, thats what I ment to say with my first comment.
wahtong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In any case, I don't want me or any future generation to be wiped out by machines.
Edit. I would rather let an asteroid destroy the Earth than machines wiping us out.
blash96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man... can you stop being serious? I tried to make a Joke and your ruining it. Its making me look like a dumbass
wahtong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh. I thought you were joking and I was playing along.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Frankly I'm more afraid of a real life Wall-E and less afraid of a Terminator
wahtong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we will leave a polluted Earth and become fat blobs in space watching TV 24/7?
Tsulaa ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 14:32:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more religion.
Edit: I want to clarify the fact that I do not want religion to be banned/made unlawful. I do want people to choose "no more religion" for themselves.
sabrefudge ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:24:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's easy if you try.
Kongo204 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
Tsulaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many have already answered this question much more eloquently than I ever could. I ask that you take just under four minutes to listen to one of the best, Mr. Richard Dawkins:
https://youtu.be/iBV3eqvQPJs
scowzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You may be disappointed in the result.
Tsulaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's give it a whirl, & find out.
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:20:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The marketers and swindlers and liars and religious nutters that call themselves 'politicians' while getting themselves and their friends richer and richer through tax finally being jailed or lynched or guillotined and getting replaced with scientists and teachers that can tackle issues at hand without needing weeks long conferences in five star hotels with five star buffets that they flew to in their private jets before getting picked up by limousines.
Phatbottomgirls_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:06:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah the Jews are pretty corrupt
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Say what?
Phatbottomgirls_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You exactly described Jews. Rich corrupt group only concerned with profit. Who are also religious
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:04:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well I was describing politicians. And I'm all inclusive, so jewish politicians are welcome to be beheaded too.
mrcoolguy1_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LOVE how you dont pick sides. Agree totally
the_baked_potato_ ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 12:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting the Szechuan sauce recipe
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:45:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Animal Abolitionism. It has to happen eventually and should have happened already, though unlikely in my lifetime. No other human achievement could eclipse that i. Terms to sifferinf eradicated and lives saved.
BrownRebel ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea to start a conflict, lose, and become part of South Korea
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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BrownRebel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By NK? I like to think the a US-SoKo retaliatory strike would discourage further hostilities but it's more likely that NK would draw in larger powers.
I guess I just don't like the idea of NK existing, giving considerable international weight while remaining a borderline a failed state.
GameSen03 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of sexism.
Literal_SJW ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:10:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sad that this is controversial
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's just a naive thing to say. It's either a matter of thinking it's more severe than it actually is or they think it will ever go away. There will always be people that judge others that are different. Racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. will never end.
mikepictor ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 03:47:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
well not with that attitude
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but just in general. There will always be people that hate "the other." Human nature dictates that we hate "the other." Even if I don't, and you don't, there will always be people that do. If it isn't skin color, it'll be religion, or nationality, or culture, or whatever. If we all agree on a religion, skin color, culture, ideology, then there will still be people that hate the way you breathe through your nose, or the way you wear your hat. No one ever will be at peace with someone "else."
mikepictor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:30:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are correct in principle, but you speak from a position of present day experience. First of all, it's much better. As bad as it is, the 'other' has been hated so much more aggressively in the past. That speaks to a trend of Improving attitudes. I don't doubt that there will always be individuals who are assholes, but in terms of systemic racism or sexism, I think society can get there. It may not be in our lifetime, I don't know, but it can get there
BigBoss6121 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 06:55:56 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it sucks that there is so much sexism against men. Courts are overwhelmingly in women's favour for divorce, men are always arrested for domestic abuse even if they were the one getting abused, etc.
Literal_SJW ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 07:25:13 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol why are you replying to all my week old comments?
BigBoss6121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:49 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol suddenly if something is a week old all arguments against OP's stupidity are invalid?
BigBoss6121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:01 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, it sucks that there is so much sexism against men. Courts are overwhelmingly in women's favour for divorce, men are always arrested for domestic abuse even if they were the one getting abused, etc.
EastHorse ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 13:51:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Capitalism and exploitation.
tayloryeow ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 16:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't worry. I support you comrade.
gpl999 ยท 33 points ยท Posted at 16:06:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End capitalism!
(Sent from iPhone)
Aza-Sothoth ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 16:26:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you're against feudalism, why do you eat food grown under feudalism, peasant? LOL owned!
gpl999 ยท -4 points ยท Posted at 17:29:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Move to a communist nation if you hate capitalism so much.
Also that argument might hold water if people needed iPhones to live
mtndewaddict ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 01:31:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you love capitalism so much why don't you go work in a sweatshop in Bangladesh.
PleasantNA ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heard Venezuela is great this time of year
ayojamface ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 18:48:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who said the solution to capitalism is communism? Youre just adding onto problem at that point
10RC ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:14:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
almost everybody who expect the end of capitalism. just look in this thread.
ayojamface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:19:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks for being logical. How do those peoples belief relate to mine?
[deleted] ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:58:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha
This is you.
gpl999 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:45:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sick burn bro
mtndewaddict ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 16:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why would you want labor to be paid the full value of their labor?
(sent from product of labor)
Obesibas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:43:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Value is determined through supply and demand. Meaning that your labor is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it.
mtndewaddict ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:55:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Under the current system you're absolutely right, but why are you touting that like a good thing? That's the reason manufacturing jobs moved overseas. It's the reason 40 hours a week from one person in the household isn't enough anymore for the majority of America.
To take it further, if the number of jobs in a certain field are fixed and suddenly there is an influx of workers to that field, the pay, as you stated, for that field drops. But what doesn't change is the number of company owners. Either sole enterprises or through the stock market. The company now gets the same amount of labor for less of a cost and therefore the profits go up, increasing the income of the aforementioned owners. These owners did no extra work, but they're getting more money. How does this seem like a fair system?
Obesibas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it is. The system ensures that those who look out for their best self interest generally improve the lives of others. There is no voluntary trade agreement in the history of our species that didn't improve the lives of all parties involved, otherwise the agreement wouldn't have been made. The only way for me to earn money is if I am able to improve the lives of others in such a way that they are willing to pay me for that. That is a good thing, it ensures that even if everybody tries to better only themselves they still end up bettering the lives of those they trad with.
Are non Americans somehow less deserving of a job? They do what Americans can do for cheaper, so they get the job. That is a good thing.
So? It is not a right to live a life of luxury with little effort. Nobody has the obligation to make your life more pleasant.
Because every single party involved handled completely on their own accord. If people want to trade they can do so. Who are you to forbid consenting adults to sell or buy labor?
mtndewaddict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:35:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Citation needed. The system is perfect at driving wealth upwards. Last year ~100 people owed as much as half the population. Currently that number is 5. That wealth came from somewhere, and it's poverty stricken areas.
True, but now prove they were actually voluntary. If I find you stranded in a desert and sell you a water bottle for a million dollars, I'm sure you'd voluntarily take the offer. But because of the situation, you had no other choice.
You could do what the richest among us, the capitalist class, do and make a living by owning things. Once you own enough stuff the money just starts printing itself. At that point you're no longer forced to sell your labor to live.
Not true, this system tends towards monopolization. When it's a few or one company in control, you get Comcast of every industry. And incase you try to argue that Comcast's monopoly only exist by government protection, the same thing happened with robber barons during the industrial revolution. When there was no government regulation.
Sure, if it was the workers who split the profits among themselves. Instead some shareholders got a nice bonus that quarter from the massive drop in labor costs. A minority group got paid for selling out Americans and not by laboring.
Are you trying to argue that economic situation worsening for most American families is a good thing? Or not even worth criticizing the system for allowing that decrease to happen?
I don't consider the above consent anymore than consenually giving a mugger your wallet. No matter the profession, the situation stays the same and it's someone at the top who makes profit off your labor. When labor floods the job market, that person(s) income increases for no extra work. It was phrased nicely in the Conquest of Bread:
Obesibas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here is your citation. Note how that the percentage of people in total poverty dramatically decreases with each passing year and that it is at an all time low. Yes, people at the top increasingly earn more money and have better lives, but so do all others in society.
I did have a choice. I had the choice to not buy the bottle of water for that price, but since it dramatically bettered my living conditions in that moment it is a no-brainer to agree to trade my money for that bottle of water.
Which still ensures that I improve the lives of others. You can't earn money without somebody else involved. And the "capitalist" didn't just stumble upon their wealth or stole it, either they or their parents or their parents before them earned it.
"The metaphor appeared as early as February 9, 1859, when The New York Times used it to characterize the unethical business practices by Cornelius Vanderbilt. Historian T.J. Stiles says the metaphor, "conjures up visions of titanic monopolists who crushed competitors, rigged markets, and corrupted government. In their greed and power, legend has it, they held sway over a helpless democracy." But no government involved, eh?
Besides, a monopoly can only arise if there is no possible way for others to compete, which means that the service they provide is unique but still desired. It is only logical that they are then earning a fortune because of that, since they improve the lives of everybody that buys a product only they can provide.
Workers can split the profits among themselves if they start their own workers cooperative. You don't own the company you are willingly selling your labor to and your boss owes you nothing except for the agreed upon wages for your work.
I'm arguing that it is a bad situation, but not an injustice.
A mugger is threatening to kill you if you don't hand over your wallet. A job provider is giving you an opportunity to earn money. These are not the same. You can't tell a mugger you don't like his terms or negotiate and you can't walk away. All these things are possible if somebody offers you a job with bad pay.
If you feel that way then you shouldn't sell your labor and be self-employed. What kind of fool sells something and complains after the fact that they didn't ask enough money for their product?
Yes, so? If you don't want others to earn a living than don't trade with them. Simple as that.
Start your own business. Everybody can do so, it is not hard to start one. It is only hard to actually earn a living with it. Give that a try and then tell me again how business owners don't work for their money.
Yes, you must work or die of hunger. That is completely logical. The only other option is that people are inherently entitled to the care of others, which is not the case. Even one of the biggest communists in history agreed that those that refuse to work will starve. That is because if you refuse to work while still demanding free, well, everything then you are a burden on me and I'll have to put in double the hours to compensate for your laziness and selfishness.
mtndewaddict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:27:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your source actually shows an increase trend in poverty among several countries. Also it seems pretty cherry picked to ignore poverty and narrow in on "extreme" poverty as the source says.
Okay, now say I have a gun to your head and demand you drop your wallet and walk away. Are you still consenting, or am I preying on your weaknesses? Be it dying of thirst or a weakness to lead. The result is still your life is in my hands, but you're still saying it's not coercive.
Actually, when capitalism was just forming peasants were kicked off their land. Even forced at gun point to work in factories. All of the US is stolen Native American land. Today the US military fights not for freedom, but to defend US property owners claim to foreign oil. We openly sabotage other countries for refusing to trade with us. The original capitalists only earned it if you think thievery makes you a rightful owner. And then this stolen wealth is just passed down, generation to generation. No labor done, but immense wealth received.
You could also just be the biggest around. Take Walmart, they could pop up into any town they want, operate at a loss until other businesses fold over and then jack up prices when no other option is available. Or all the local mechanic shops could get together and agree they'd be more profitable if they all get together and raise prices at once or all merge together into one shop. This was something we explored in my high school freshman economics course; literally basic economics.
They don't 'own' it, but without them nothing could happen. Someone else owns it, labor makes it happen. Someone else, who isnt required and provides no input gets a lion's share while the people who make it happen get shafted. How are they gonna make enough money to start their own factory if some capitalist is stealing their surplus value?
In a system that makes many worse off for a few to line their off shore accounts, it seems like a giant injustice from my perspective.
I'm offering you an opportunity to save your life with this water bottle. I'm a life creator. All you have to do is give me 50% of all income for the rest of your life. You can negotiate this number with me, or crawl away and die. Maybe you'll run into someone else that only wants 24.5% of your income.
Yes, all I need first is some capital... Well I have no capital to give the bank for a loan. Even if I did, I want a co-op and since those aren't profitable (since workers actually get the value of their labor) banks don't like it. Maybe I could just offer services to someone, oh but everyone wants 25-90% of the value I produce for them. It's almost like there is a systemic issue here.
So you're saying getting money without working is ok. If someone gets paid without working, that means someone works without getting paid appropriately. In other words, someone stole, directly or indirectly, from another person. And you're saying that's ok when you respond with "Yes, so?"
Don't like being exploited, become an exploiter. Everyone can do it.
You completely missed the given context. Until total automation happens, of course you must work or die. But in this system you must work and give some one else part of the value you caused to create. IE you must give to someone who does not labor or else you'll be forced to starve as they have all the jobs. The communists you're referencing are directly criticizing the capitalist class saying they would starve if labor didn't give them their surplus value.
You are literally making communist arguments but saying they support capitalism. They do not, you need a class analysis to understand that. This is pretty close to arguments from both Marx and Engels. If you haven't, read The Principles of Communism, it's not that long (~20 pages) and you'll probably find yourself agreeing with what's being presented. After all, you're already making their arguments.
Obesibas ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 03:28:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which should be a pretty clear indication that it isn't because of the system, but because of governments being bad at governing. If the overall capitalist world economy grows while some countries struggle to keep up the pace it isn't the fault of capitalism, or would you argue otherwise?
It was literally the first link that came up on google after typing in "poverty over time". I didn't write the source and I not here to write an essay of 100 pages and multiple respectable sources for you to convince you of a simple fact you can google within seconds. Saying that the world as a whole hasn't benefited from capitalism isn't just wrong, it is disingenuous and fictitious.
Difference is is that you are threatening my life with a gun. You created that problem. You are the one that is causing my life to be endanger and offering to fix it for money. That is not the case when I am dying of thirst or hunger and you offer me a ridiculous expensive bottle of water or sandwich. Nor is a job provider the cause of somebody else's poverty. If some guy would actually make a living burning the crops of farmers to sell them food later it would be immoral yes, but if the crops of the farmers were just fucked because of bad weather the guy selling him food didn't cause the problem so no problems there.
Do you have any source that proves that the wealthy largely inherited their wealth? Because I've read otherwise. And yes, those practices were immoral. But how does past injustices entitle you to, lets say, part of Warren Buffets or Bill Gates' fortune? Are they direct descendants and heirs to the fortune created from injustices in the past? Thanks for the article though, interesting read.
Which literally means others can't compete because they can't offer the same quality service or goods for a better price. If the customer doesn't benefit from buying your product they will not buy your product, simple as that.
Yes, that is why they are hired in the first place. No disagreement there.
They are required, since they provide the opportunity for a job. If I take out a loan to build a factory and seek customers for the products I produce I am the sole reason that factory exists in the first place. And they aren't getting shafted, they willingly sold their labor for the salary they receive.
A loan. An investor. Start small at an incubator. Go to kickstarter. Save up together with your colleagues and buy a company somewhere down the line.
Again, global poverty decreases each passing year. Stop spreading this willful ignorance.
Sounds like a good deal to me. Its a lot better than dying of thirst.
I know many people that started a business without a loan or any capital whatsoever. Yes, they don't own a gigantic factory, but they are self-employed and are trying to build up their company from scratch. It is hard work, it isn't very rewarding and there is a lot of risk involved. That is why most prefer to work for somebody that takes all the risks for them and get paid the same amount of money regardless of profits.
That is not how any of this works at all. First of all I find it very ironic that you assume that CEOs and business owners don't work, while you are too lazy to start your own business and second of all you aren't being stolen from if you willingly sold your labor. If I rent out my van to some guy who needs it for 100 dollars a day and he accepts the deal I am not stealing from him, even though I am earning without working. He agreed to my terms and is a goddamn adult. If he didn't like the terms he shouldn't have agreed to it.
You don't have to employ people to run a business. And employment is not exploitation, but I have a feeling you don't want to understand that.
No, you really really don't. It is easier to do so, but nobody is forcing you. I can knock on my neighbors door tomorrow and clean his apartment for cash without anybody earning any money of my labor except for me (and the government, sadly). My sister is currently running a business with herself as her only employee. She is a designer and makes art for a living. Where does she "exploit" anybody? Is she "exploiting" the people that willingly pay her for her art and designs?
And wait, if there is total automation do you believe people should be entitled to everything that automation offers? I thought people should be entitled to other peoples property because of all the "exploitation of workers" narrative, but that doesn't hold up at all once workers aren't even needed. How does that work?
They. Don't. Have. All. The. Jobs.
Yes and by doing so they are arguing against their own philosophy. Irony is hilarious, I know.
I don't have the time yet to read it, but I'll add it to the list. And yes, you can agree with some arguments without agreeing to all of them. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Indiana__Scones ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:03:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have been banned from participating in r/latestagecapitalism
gpl999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no, what ever will I do
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:40:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beautiful!
Travisx2112 ยท 18 points ยท Posted at 17:05:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, you're on reddit, using a high performance device (probably a phone, or a computer, which advanced because of capitalism.) and you want to end capitalism? How do you not see the irony in that?
NebulousTranscendent ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 21:43:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The computer/phone was made by workers, not capitalism. An end to capitalism is the best way to ensure that workers get their rights.
Travisx2112 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:50:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism enables the workers.
NebulousTranscendent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 21:59:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are you talking about!? The principles of capitalism practically require a company to treat their workers like shit because it's the best way to make profit.
Travisx2112 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:05:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily! There are plenty of companies who treat their employees well and can still turn a profit.
NebulousTranscendent ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:13:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They may turn a profit, but they're hardly shining examples of the glory of capitalism, they're actively working against it's principles. They're also pretty few and far between from what I can tell.
Socialism on the other hand actually empowers the workers because it treats them better (with automation and efficient allocation of labour, some estimates put the weekly hours of a worker as low as four) and also gives them freedom to do jobs which they actually enjoy.
mtndewaddict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:35:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They turn a profit, but the bottom line is this simple algebra equation:
Profit = value brought in from labor - cost of labor.
The mere existence of profit is proof of exploitation. It demonstratively is wage theft. You shouldn't need an engineer like me to explain basic algebra.
khukk ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 22:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ironic and hypocritical it may be, but let's not forget the underside of capitalism is labor force exploitation, as well as income inequality among other problems. I get your point of if you like it don't use but that easier said than done when you live in a capitalistic society.
[deleted] ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 17:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's hard to see irony when you're 13.
mtndewaddict ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:37:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually everything in your phone/computer was developed in the state sector. Capitalist didn't innovate them, public funding did.
Travisx2112 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:42:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh huh.....
mtndewaddict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, report here and infographic pdf here.
EastHorse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advancement without Capitalism is possible. I am willing, though, to accept less tech if it means freedom from exploitation.
Travisx2112 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're willing to try it 'till you see the results.
EastHorse ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the results is a socialist division of necessary labour, meaning I and people around me won't work themselves to death to produce profit for a capitalist, it suits me.
Nadieestaaqui ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, just to produce profit for the "socialist" leadership, incentivizing them to treat humans as a disposable commodity without remaining accountable to market forces.
Unchecked power always turns out well, right?
EastHorse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is exactly why I'm an Anarchist! Self-determination and socialism cannot exist without each other.
BigBoss6121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:01 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And no laws by having no government woudlnt immediately turn into a shithole? You're deluded
go4theknees ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im guessing you bag groceries.
Noah__Webster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:19:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So basically you would earn less yourself to ensure that you also aren't enabling someone else to turn a profit on you...
EastHorse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No earning if there's no money, but sure. I care more about having the time to enjoy my life and the world than having power/money.
But no private property means no money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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EastHorse ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 21:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What a coherent position you've got there.
TrumpLikesWallsMAGA ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 17:25:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's ok kiddo, we all grow up eventually.
marx2k ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 21:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... Says the trolling novelty account...
tomzephy ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 17:04:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism = Innovation, it quite literally bred the West as we know it - think of the most capitalistic society you can think of, then think of the most socialist society - which one would you rather live in?
mtndewaddict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd hate to live in Bangladesh and would love to live in Revolutionary Catalonia.
bboy7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:50:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An allignment between Russia and Europe. May we all be brothers.
mangledeye ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 14:01:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First get rid of Putin. He sucks
bboy7 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You make weird assumptions.
mangledeye ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:38:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since when facts became "weird assumptions"?
bboy7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You assume that I am in a position to get rid of Putin. Why?
mangledeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seemed like you were speaking for large groups of people
bboy7 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just expressed a desire of fraternity between myself, Russians and whoever else might want to partake in an era of peace and lack of geopolitical tensions within the boundaries of this continent. Is it such a contentious dream?
mangledeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, it's a good dream. Nothing wrong with that.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1)wear a condom
2)have anal sex
3)take condom to fertility clinic
4)pay for the nurse to extract the sperms from within the condom
5)pay for IVF
6)inject the fertilized embryo in a healthy and fertile woman
7)???
8)profit
QJoseph ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 14:57:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning myself into a pickle, hell not even myself just someone being able to do it.
LedZeppelinRiff ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can live your life without having to work a job. You literally don't have to contribute but everything is still at your disposal. Just scan your wrist.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:21:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Gotrek_Gurnisson ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:46:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have the capability to create terrible cgi.
eRko16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You will be long gone before this happens. And if this happens, good luck us.
baftap ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 13:32:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? People always talk about AI and robots taking over, but why would they do that? Surely something created by humans would only want to serve humans. Computers don't have greed or the ability to hold grudges, so why would they want to take over the earth. I am excited for AI development as they can do so much, they could be a lasting legacy of humans. Sending robots out to explore the universe for us and make contact with other life etc. We are close to living in a sci-fi utopia.
thelittleking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans are afraid, and they project that fear onto things they don't understand. You're right, AI probably wouldn't do that.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Then warp drive.
Lixi_ ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 11:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full on deep dive virtual reality.
pinnochionipple ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:18:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful first contact with extra-terrestrials
conquistadoruseless ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For our civilisation to run on sustainable energy. Would be so easy to do if we put our minds to it!
karma3000 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 12:56:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to all religious conflicts.
vzsax ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:20:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would love to see religion die out.
pseudonympholepsy ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:44:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A rapid rise in atheism.
MikeNotBrick ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:45:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extinction of all religions
hagamablabla ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world where everyone uses metric.
Sad-Sam ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The undoing of the bourgeoisie
adw00t ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colonisation
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:52:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Racism
dr_steve_bruel ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:00:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can see racism now dawg. Unless you meant the end of racism...
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean an increase in racism. People are too politically correct and as a result evolution has slowed to a halt. Only once weaker races stop procreating can we see the next level of human evolution
moniewski ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:02:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop killing each other because of their imaginary friends.
TheMoonRhino ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:07:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone fucking a coconut without hurting themselves, their relationship, or their dignity.
MacTennis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wat lol
severed13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M E T A
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RandomUsername416 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:09:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Restoration of the American government to the founder's original vision i.e actually understanding and following the constitution
anusthrasher96 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:10:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans successfully reverse climate change by coming together globally
evonhell ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI that surpasses human intelligence. That would lead to so much of the other great things people are talking about here. Or it would kill us all. Either way kinda exciting!
thelandofdreams ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:33:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drugs that make you feel awesome but are non addictive and have no health consequences.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the death of religion and all the charlatans that espouse it.
Fidlow ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see GRRM finally finish A Song Of Ice And Fire
techmaster242 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump's impeachment and prison sentencing.
tbrline ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:29:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolition of all religion.
deadpuppet137 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Single payer healthcare in the USA.
Vindoga ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Controversial). I want religion to be extinct.
ChrisM227 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Disarmament. It scares me to think of how quickly all that we have accomplished could be lost.
GetJukedM8 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Islam, hopefully.
yelnats25 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:12:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton in prison
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:24:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me. Getting laid
BEAR_RAMMAGE ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:37:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of liberalism.
Princess_Glitterbutt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
illbecountingclouds ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:34:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extinction of our race would probably be for the best tbh
DIYdemon ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than two political parties in the US system.
laxt ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Campaign finance reform, making it impossible for billionaires to buy off politicians. Legislation and the Office of the Chief Executive will no longer be a lucrative one, but rather one that is placed in the hands of boring, noble, intelligent statespersons.
Those who run for office will do so because they want the job, not because they want the pay, and will be considered by the voting public along these lines.
This alone will fix SO many problems in the US. It's a silver bullet.
If I could have a second accomplishment, it would be a redrawing of all districts to eliminate gerrymandering, which will do wonders in eliminating the political polarisation of Americans.
evanreddit ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:06:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reversal of our negative environmental impact. I would love to see a planet earth where humanity lives harmoniously with nature in regards to our consumption, population, energy creation/use, and waste management.
CookieFroster ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Destigmatizing jacking off to cartoons
boingboingbong ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 01:30:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of Islam.
TheMasterCharles ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 13:24:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or Cure Aging.
You're only seen when sorted by most controversial.
SmokinSkidoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man man with two dicks fucking two different women.
Devonmoyer1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:25:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paging /u/doubledickdude
Shuffledrive ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 14:52:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The final end of capitalism.
Edit: I guess the downvotes mean we got a ways to go
10RC ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:04:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The downvotes mean you said something very stupid.
Shuffledrive ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 19:05:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh? Is the end of capitalism a stupid thing to hope for?
A system in which automation is viewed as a bad thing, where automation threatens the lives of the working class?
A system in which we have enough food to feed the planet 4 times over yet we let our citizens die without access to food?
A system where 45,000 people die EVERY YEAR due to lack of access to Healthcare?
A system in which we have 6 empty homes owned by banks for every single homeless man, woman, and child?
10RC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I admit that capitalism has flaws, but alternative system (communism, I guess) are even worse. both of my parents grew up in the east bloc, and the life was a nightmare. My mom passed out the first time she saw so many food in a store in France.
Plus, famine and lack of healthcare are major problems in country where corruption and lack of education generate those problems.
Shuffledrive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The alternative is Democratic Socialism! (:
The path to Democratic Socialism is to work to democratize the workplace, placing ownership of business in the hands of the workers by evolving the power and structure of unions, eventually mandating unions for every workplace. This will make it easier for the workers to later aquire collective ownership of the means of production.
Meanwhile, the major means of production should be aquired by the public (i.e. food, housing, utilities, internet, etc.)
Taking this multifaceted approach can allow a democracy to decide whether or not we wish to continue to use markets as a mechanism for the means of distribution, or if we want to move to a more equitable mechanism (central planning being top idea among US socialists)
Please check out Democratic Socialists of America at dsausa.org!
Lokthri ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:13:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind passing me the sources for any of those numbers? Not point #1 about automation, the other ones.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:48:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:43:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes! Let's end this shit!
Wingnut4334 ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 14:17:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The impeachment of Donald J Trump
[deleted] ยท 34 points ยท Posted at 17:06:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still salty?
ayojamface ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 18:48:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree.
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? Because he won via the world's best democratic system?
keithwaits ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 09:04:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A system that only lets you choose between 2 parties is by definition not "the world's best".
Its a stunted democracy.
Wingnut4334 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:51:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just shut up already
Megafeto ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:56:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edgy
Myonmoon ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 12:00:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mar colony before woman take over and use man for our jokes and semen
cardboardcrackaddict ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 18:51:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is this down voted, it's just a South Park Reference
Tamazarashi ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 13:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey, women can be just as funny as men too!
Theguywhosme ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 14:42:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you met my girlfriend? She's super smart and super funny
Tschoz ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:23:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I did. Numerous times actually.
thinmonkey69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:11:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Visible spectrum images of an extrasolar planet.
Kijafa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars, finally
crathis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:29:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinical immortality would be nice...
mybustersword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:30:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradicate cancer, aids, alzheimers, and other terrible disease.
Expand the human life span by at least 50 years.
Shoes that tie themselves
MyOhMyPancakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:34:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the end of the Korea conflict
thekingofbelgium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:36:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Machines that makes us fly (like those jetpack things), but it's normal like driving a car.
Scotsmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, then I can see them all.
Trav_X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The invention of a super renewable energy that could replace fossil fuels and create sustainable and environmentally friendly energy for us and people of the future
MrFreaky12345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
aliens or mars
hgoel0974 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common Human interstellar travel and perhaps immortality
Zerek_Doolander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans going back to the moon.
tomparker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The complete separation of death and irony.
hoocat23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:50:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean water and good sanitation in every home.
akromyk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find a mechanism to stop aging and possibly reverse it.
Believe me, for the youngin's out there I just wanna say you'll care a whole lot more when your body ages another 10 years and everything becomes a degree more dull no matter what you do. It's unavoidable atm and one day it'll be you, and you'll never truly understand till then..
Vys3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:51:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slightly less altruistic than a lot of other suggestions but fully immersive virtual reality. Escapism at it's finest.
Killergoldfish111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:52:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to halt or reverse aging
Countless_Skeletons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR porn with an actual Robot.
/r/Mylifeissad
Mistamaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:54:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% climate neutral energy
Rudimentary_creature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intergalactic travel. Or better yet, discovery of the mass relays.
triface1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
A deep understanding of the human brain and its disorders
Near-light speed space travel
The unification of the entire human race, ending all religious and racial conflicts
Invention of AI at least near human intelligence and having the balls to co-exist with them
marcalinevmpq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:57:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artifical organ transplants.
AmericanFromAsia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:58:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People talking about curing diseases and water for all but my first thought was fully immersive virtual reality.
daivatpbhatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:59:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing everybody would agree upon.
leiphos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:00:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neural interfacing
leiphos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neural interfacing .
KafuiOl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new clean but efficient energy source
karma3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All boys and girls to receive a full high school education to a secular first world standard.
Barlakopofai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:02:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure to aging. I don't want to look like a mummy by the time I kill myself.
sayge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Matrix-like VR. Certainly not for the purposes you're thinking of, you dirty bastard.
gt35r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The James Webb Telescope in full working order, successfully opened and functional in space. I am extremely excited to see the data collected and the pictures taken from it, I just really hope it goes up and opens up without any issues. I trust that NASA know what they are doing though.
smokeandfog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for cancer
RandomRedditor44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:06:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans go to Mars and we encounter aliens. ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐ฝ
Endulos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy space travel and gigantic ass space ships.
It will NEVER happen in my life time, but shit like the Enterprise, Normandy, Pillar of Autumn and so on being common... That would be so fucking cool. It saddens me this shit may never happen in my lifetime :(
At the current pace, that shits a good 200-300 years away.
firewire167 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agelessness
The_Veteran_Raven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:07:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloning pets.
gonecrazy_backsoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
boredintheoffice2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:08:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The return of Szechuan sauce
ZShizzleAcct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An understanding of what the universe is. Or at least some good ideas
ThrowNothing123456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:11:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us develop a better battery because honestly ours suck right now
raginsaint93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:12:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me finding a girlfriend
Reddit819 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two technologies - efficient fusion power and room temperature super conductivity. "Free" electricity distributed around the world for free.
CAN-I-BE-A-FIREMAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:13:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon would be cool and probably not too far off
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:14:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dawn of human-level machine intelligence and the discovery of life elsewhere in the universe.
Bohnanza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
NewVirtue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanites like in the movie Lucy, that exist everywhere, can be controlled, and can be used to simulate magic like in anime
m00nstone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creation of a simulated reality in which the minds of the dead or dying can be uploaded to live as alternative versions of their younger selves forever; and which the living can visit for up to five hours per week (see Black Mirror TV episode, San Junipero)
TurtleFisher54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast being shut down
ArtOfDivine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wipe out Cancer
flawierbarbie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless everything.
funkmastermgee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:16:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CO2 levels going back down below 400ppm.
HiCZoK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know what. I want to be very surprised
MRaholan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us establish something on/around the moon for further solar system travels.
ImJustSo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely immortality.
bennylogger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Double Hat trick in the Premier League
Nukcall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL- not expecting to live long enough to see it develop and its implications, just to know if it's possible.
Paradox1604 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:19:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cures
Chopper3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've love it if humanity as a whole just woke up one day and agreed that all religion is made up and pointless. Unlikely however.
SoDarkTheConOfMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for spinal cord injuries.
spacester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Off planet omelet, cooked from scratch in a gravity field.
homeslice2311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:21:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leaving this dying planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone says colonize mars, but I say the moon. Three days away by rocket rather than six months, usable soil, frozen water and, here is the best part. How much easier would it be to have a ship take off from the moon or earth? Moon, duh. The moon could become a port, our stepping stone to other worlds
vqui1730 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
50%+ non religiouse population in NA
pataphysicalscience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a boy born who can swim faster than a shark
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New generation of fusion reactors or advanced nuclear breeders.
Carbon batteries and processors would also be dope
Undead_boar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PICKLE RIIIICK
PastasDangle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer
jasonbourne1921 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:23:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Politics to be dead or at lest the political system that's going on.
Quartzcat42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a meme that doesnt get overused
riskydevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like the idea of my mind would be transferred into a super computer and I could live a peaceful/perfect life inside a simulation just like in that game SOMA.
UnknownID13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
May be impossible but teleportation/wormhole progress :)
MoonlightJester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a reversal of global warming through both renewable energy and massive cleanup efforts. Viable fusion reactors are within reach, we just need to make that final leap.
sondra455 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see peace in the Middle East. That would be nice.
ArtPhanatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:26:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AGI would be pretty interesting to see. Theoretically it would solve economic turmoil, world hunger and many more issues. We could reach a very prosperous time in our human history.
Eddie_Hitler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Viable treatments and a possible cure for serious neurological conditions like Parkinson's Disease and MND. Someone once said of neurology that it's like being unable to explore uncharted waters because the right sort of boat has yet to be invented.
Apparently, there have been some very promising developments in MS treatments that don't involve wiping out the immune system and starting again. I am told by a friend in the know that a fully working, universal cure for MS might be available within 10-15 years. The TL;DR is they know what needs to happen but are having issues with drug interactions and getting everything to work in concert.
Actually, immunotherapy in general. Being able to control and possibly cure autoimmune diseases of all kinds would be sweet.
JonatanWest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the first birth and impregnation on Mars. just so i know it's possible
fenceloverfence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
artificial uterus will be available long before Mars colonization I presume
RPBN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:27:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first mind uploaded into a computer.
marimbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see advancements in quality of public education, especially for inner city kids
InstantMoisture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pictures of another solar system.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:28:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
How is this not the top response?
Leeoku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation would be great
theflamesweregolfin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Toronto Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup.
Sweet_Taurus0728 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer, Cure for any HIV mutations, Solution to World Hunger, Biomechanical Implants that give a unique abilities ("repomen"), Fully-functional Sexbots, the usual.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want a sequel to Hotwheels: Highway 35. That movie was the shite!
sad_robots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Invention of immortality :)
Afrodiziak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:29:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully functional Commercial Nuclear Fusion Reactors.
CausticSodaPop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
JWST returning unexpected data
pm-your-dick-pic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see alien civilization or at least alien organism to be discovered.
ChiefSparty10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:31:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Non-invasive colonoscopies.
soldmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:32:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with aliens even if it's just a signal
k34t0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace... Will all the war happened many places, maybe asking for a day of utopia can be a far stretched...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That ppl figure out the difference between 'loose' & 'lose'.
wootiown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A wireless charging router. Instead of having to put your phone on a pad or dock to wirelessly charge it, I want to see something be invented that sends that signal throughout the house
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI or immortality
patrickdaitya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sufficient data for meaningful answer
Yonckeaux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A medicine for immortality
evilpeopleinc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find reliable alternatives to gasoline and oil. This way everyone can pull out of the middle east since there will be nothing there anyone will want anymore. Then they can just blow themselves up in peace like they've been trying to do for thousands of years.
yParticle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them. Immortality please. We can still die, just not from old age or disease.
krypt_o ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
spikes232v2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
confirmed
FishOnHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ending of fossil fuel burning.
GraafBerengeur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
THE EUROPEAN FEDERATION
Freude schรถner Gรถtterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intergalactic space travel (hah, not gonna happen)
or Immortality, probably through gene editing. I won't be immortal though :(
ih8lurking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace between North and South Korea.
Weisebar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A negligible worldwide carbon footprint
machingunwhhore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% exploration of the ocean, and hopefully find something amazing down there.
loganlogwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:37:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone driving all electric vehicles.
Malinojd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a fully functional holodeck (like from star trek) as a room of my house.
No need to go on a vacation, or even have a rest of your house, or have much stuff as long as you have a working holodeck. Heck, program in friends, SO, a time in history, future, fantasty world, etc. Your imagination is your limit.
armorine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The switch to 100% renewable energy, no more oil/gas/coal/...
F0BPRO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer
shanenanigans1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Large scale carbon sequestration, and soon. The clock is ticking.
c137_Jerry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:38:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using all of our host stars energy to travel to another star.
the_wudarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. Or rick level of wormhole manipulation. I know i know.. I wont live that long. But a man can dream
justinsayin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A marathon run in under 1:59:59
Friendofabook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My success
killeroftherose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans actually helping the climate and creating less pollution. In the future, I wouldn't want my future kids to have to deal with pollution, so I hope we could change that in this generation.
mehraaza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A "peaceful" (non-nuclear) fall of the North Korean dictatorship would be a true achievement.
Veefy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All countries adopt a no talking while on public transport rule.
SmallJon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of a major disease (polio, malaria, etc.), like with Smallpox. We've done it before, we can do it again
Pizza_has_feelings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I lived to see people show courtesy to each other, I would die happy.
Gerstlauer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable public space flight.
Obviously not likely to happen, but I'd give anything to even just reach LEO.
C-Gi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
world peace (but not a world order or a ruler controlling everyone)
also, immortality, and willy wonka candy
samuelludwig74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mars please? at the very least
justicecantakeanap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
final cure and treatment for polio
vmc_7645 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyberpunk or Warp Drive
OldowanIndustry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace, End of Hunger and Poverty, End to Climate Change
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The climate has been changing for billions of years. In fact as long as Earth has existed.
sluncer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light flight.
I know it's impossible but a man can dream.
Sameerio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to digitise oneself
LovableContrarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for male pattern baldness.
Pls.
megaderp138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A red light district in Pennsylvania
HogRider_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free lifespan increase by desired amount accessible to everyone as well as space colonization missions.
irishtiger36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel
GalegoBaiano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power. The end of petroleum based plastics. teleporters... or at least something that can send us coast to coast or continent to continent in under an hour.
LazyTheSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of other planets/space.
atworkworking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First hard core proof of aliens and UFO with news station and governments confirming it.
UncleVladWorks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanites and immortality. After them you would be able to see all of achievments of mankind.
glusnifr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One word: HOVERBOARDS!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see Hogan slam the giant
libelecsBlackWolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned space exploration
nickycthatsme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People generally being nice and fair to each other
elk-x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for hickups
iswearimhuman_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
LazyTheSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to replace body parts with robotics more.
rich115 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for death.
seiyria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure diabetes, cure cancer, cure something along those lines. Pretty please.
dragonvulture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power plants.
lambdasc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:43:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real cure for baldness
Tartantyco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post-scarcity / Singularity.
Basically the point at which energy becomes so available to us that practically nothing is outside our reach, that AI and robotics becomes so advanced that it self-perpetuates, that human labor is obsolete, and humans can basically quit obsessing over pointless shit like money and power.
Instead, we'll find other pointless shit to obsess about.
iBeatYouOverTheFence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United States of Earth!!
I'd also settle for United States of Europe for the time being..
armorine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Belgium winning the world cup or a Belgian rider winning the tour de France.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
holodeck
Chinksta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 100% recyclable society
kekokek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All countries being allies.
kevincrazykid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Birth of true AI, and I want to see humanity magnanimous enough to share our world with our creations
2u3e9v ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A leveling off of our human population.
Vitalic123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll aim my sights low. I'd like to see true virtual reality. That way, I won't be so bored when I'm in a nursing home at the end of my days.
silkylat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see energy Independence from fossil fuels and an actual working sustainable development on Mars, one can dream.
Ceruleanlunacy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Filmed breaking of the record for world's largest cumshot, into a measuring device. As horrifically perverse as it might be, I just think it would be an impressive video, that should be captured, both for verification purposes and posterity for whatever comes after our current society, if they can find a way to view the file.
Edit: I thought I was on my throwaway where I make dumb jokes but never mind. I don't think anyone that important knows my Reddit main.
latearly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:44:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global cooling
KarismicHabichi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recreational space travel.
jforjabu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avoiding human extinction and to provide the yet-to-be-born with an opportunity to live on this beautiful place called Earth.
sirgog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Establishment of a permanent human outpost offworld.
Crazy as it might seem, I think Phobos or Deimos are the best places for it. Not the Moon and definitely not Mars, because of the gravity well.
RealBACONATOR2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All electric power economy. Solar, wind, tidal, nuclear generation; grid-scale storage; and electric transportation, industry
Jamesv1985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
affordable rejuvenating and life extension meds
toolemeister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thundertrukk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion. Small form factor subterranean fusion reactors. Quite literally the design of Taylor Wilson. If you have not seen him speak about this and even have a mild interest in nuclear fusion, I recommend it.
Slavske ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aston Villa to win the premier league
nthai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George R. R. Martin finishing The Winds of Winter.
DrunkenChinp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:45:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I just wanna see what crazy shit we can discover in science of all kinds
GuyChristopherRech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for HIV
creepy_guy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
laddie64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any advancements involving space are just amazing to see. If I live to see humans colonize another planet then I can die happy.
HighonCosmos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remove borders, remove weapons, remove wars, do good work together towards science and peace
KalebMW99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Average world life expectancy hitting 80+.
Meow666meow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love science and I want to say landing on mars. But I really hope we learn a little humility and achieve a more peacefully and more efficient planet to live on.
Zaldun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, and a way to kill it
vikemosabe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colony on the moon. In fact, I'd like to live there before I die. I know it's never going to happen, but I'd still love to see it.
MarkNormand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:46:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI.
pleystation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see all currency regulated by private agencies instead of by government. Just take a look at how much wealth was created by the invention of bitcoin.
aDp20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A tablet that replicates the full effects of having 8 hours sleep.
Imagine what we could do with all that extra time.
ThatGangMember ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like winning the beet man championship or becoming a marine biologist?
Dead_Art ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bipedal vehicle that can transport humans. Like a Gundam, but I'll settle for a Mech
MrTHORN74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent colonization of the moon or Mars.
jezzard123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see working and comical fusion
thatEMSguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel
Katitron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see immortality be introduced. The looming void of death scares me
wasahobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United Earth Federation.
yeesCubanB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A functional, effective UN would be nice, some place we could actually hash out stuff like Ukraine and the Middle East and North Korea and aid to Africa, without resorting to war and wasteful corruption like we always have.
Getting real tired of the "but veto" explanation of why the UN can't address things that are clearly within its purview.
BushwickSpill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to see John Cena.
Lambertt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone running under 9 seconds in the 100m or under 19 seconds in the 200m.
GodsWeirdSon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uniting together.
remag117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity
actuallybigfoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see something equivalent to antigravity. Anything that could make commuting in space cheap and affordable. I think that only a few decades after that, we could start some really BIG projects out in the solar system because we'll be able to drag really large mining (etc) equipment into orbit and elsewhere. We could finally start a Dyson swarm.
alkatori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
affordable reverse aging drugs.
HadesIsABitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
DrDerpberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:47:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A massive reduction in the effect of consumed resources. Given enough clean energy, I wonder if it'll be possible for garbage processors to deconstruct things into their composing elements and reuse everything. I wonder if with clean enough energy we could process the CO2 right out of the atmosphere and bury a few million tons of solid, relatively inert carbon somewhere.
Downtistic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to visit space
sdh68k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with extra terrestrial intelligent beings.
AnimusHerb240 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete control over the flow of data in personal computing that is free of negative, counter-intuitive user experience anomalies that arise from institutions that don't have "user's experience of the internet" as the single most highest priority in their mind as they're engineering the tools and interfaces vs profit motive, e.g. "we don't put that hyperlink on the home page so users will have to click through this layer of content we want to sell them on"; we don't let them drag and drop files onto the device so they will have to manage its contents through our app; right-clicking disabled by javascript; bandwidth selectively throttled; government censorship; confusing language to deliver/suggest a low-key marketing message instead of straightforward communication that always only guides the user to understand how to get the information they want as fast as possible; leaving out certain features that it is well-understood users would obviously enjoy having to be able to use the tools the best and most enjoyable way because it would grossly undermine the profit motive.
Planet-wide information systems architecture that thrives without even the capacity for the kind of corruption/meddling capable from governments or telecom companies altering the experience to make it less anything than it could be at its most advantageous: unlimited free information and art and education and literature, provided as intuitively as possible, at the fingertips of any curious person who wants to learn in any country in any language.
I think it's inevitable. It would be cool to see it during my lifetime, though.
AnimusHerb240 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also Moon and Mars base. Space haters -- go fuck yourselves
srkelley5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full exploration and mapping of the planet and the contents of its' oceans.
barkett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology.
extraordinarilyblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to live long enough to see a black president. I didn't realize how easy that would be, so now I wanna see a really really gay president. I wanna see all different kinds of presidents.
Anomalous-Entity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realization of the limitless and safe fusion power dream.
nikreddevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete and absolute cure to cancer.
timberwolf0122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some have said faster than light travel. I would be more than happy if we could build a rocket that could sustain a 1g acceleration. That would open up the entire solar system to us
tollcrosstim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The collapse of the totalitarian state in North Korea and the reunification of the Korean Peninsula. Crazy how in 2017 this regime still exists.
YaBoyDalton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find out what exactly is dark matter and dark energy
TheNotoriousWD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck big achievements. Let's just all be decent to one another for a start. Then maybe we can go to mars or whatever.
H_P_L0ve_CRAFT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel, vacation on the moon, instant gene therapy results. All medical illnesses cured. Drive thrus give the right order the first time every time.
Acemanau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space flight or as many have said. Alien life. Both possible as I'm 25 and healthcare is always improving.
JakeWithGlasses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
PM_ME_STEAMGAMES_PLS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/r/me_irl having the top most upvoted post of all times.
TheAngryBrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive, affordable VR.
Not just because I'd love to play games with this technology, but because I think VR could have great potential in everything from training to therapy.
It's something I'd really like to experience before my time is up. I feel like I could die happy knowing I saw some sci-fi fantasy esque magical shit before the end.
RedZ19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:49:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars!
MerrymoodPops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting laid. Yes, it will require all of mankind to be accomplished.
GiIIess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true VR video game experience, like 'Ready Player One' VR.
Pantarus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ummm scientifically proven and verified life extension would be ideally realized during my lifetime.
saec92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see further exploration of our oceans. There are so many undiscovered species in our own oceans waiting to be discovered!
stuffedpanda21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More memes
Raspberryian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars and cyborgs just don't let stupid people fly
tricyclone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Win the first Olympic gold medal for CharDeeMacDennis.
RedTiger013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting off my ass
Nederlander1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space travel to Mars, the moon or elsewhere. I wanna die being able to say I left the planet and touch another mass out in space
andric1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Controling electronics with your mind and body wirelessly.
Igloo32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:50:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whirled peas
tomatomater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Superconductors instead of copper wires in electronics - zero heat output.
MeEvilBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless electrical power.
Every device charges from antennas. I can live with the grid still powering appliances, but most electronics should never need to be plugged in as long as they're in range of a towet.
I_want_fun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nano robots for various internal uses, like fighting disease, repairing damage, controling fat and so on.
polish_midget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Til humans need better education. Most of all I want to see our education systems change.
Validated_Doomsayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First asteroid mining operation. Mars is a nice goal but if we can get some industry going in space then we can expand a lot quicker into the stars.
Crazy-Pangolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recreating dinosaurs! Whichever way possible.
dr_steve_bruel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you learned nothing from Jurassic park?
Crazy-Pangolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Play god! I want dinosaurs!
Besides, nothing would have gone wrong if they didn't hire an asshole to be the tech guy.
JecaChan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to compromise.
Pizzacrusher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for cancer. cure for dementia. stem cell's used to fix organs and so forth to extend useful lifespan.
nmchild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be able to visit space as an option for a vacation. Reasonably priced of course.
Texastexastexas1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure diabetes. And every disease, it is just such and unfair and heartbreaking part of life.
My stepson developed type 1 in second grade.
Yesterday he visited a child in the hospital who was diagnosed a few days ago. It's a child that I have been tutoring for 2 years. The parents are overwhelmed and terrified, as we were.
KOSsniperChief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Succesful colonization of another planet, and a cure for cancer...
GFor1015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TheSpiritofTruth666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widespread gene modifications.
pcp_or_splenda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
presidential impeachment.
Ready373 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean air for everyone.
FranciscoRG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
ecurrent94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human cloning. It would be amazing to see that!
neontrails ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The breakdown of borders and nations.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technology to make people immortal and it's so cheap governments give it to everyone.
Excuse_my_GRAMMER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Traveling east coast to NYC to Western Europe in under 2-3hours . Hopefully within the next 20 years
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel, teleportation
BIG_DICK_BAZUSO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel, or at least a guarantee that we'll eventually have it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3.
wowveryaccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to see PPMD come back :(
actett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lynx Titan hit 200,000,000 xp in every skill in OSRS
kwiglee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
peace
io_la ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
kims681 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin being worth a trillion dollars. Also a president getting impeached and removed from office because that hasn't ever happened
Beer_Nazi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing on Mars.
datmuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalizing weed on a federal level in the US.
speedymontoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see mechs. As a kid I fell in love with Gundam and always fantasized about having my own mech suit.
melesana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. I'd like to visit with my friends without the hassles of traveling to them.
mnawakhe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for GERD
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI incorporated in humans would be great
stromm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable commercial flights for normal people, to the moon
Quesamo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full scale colonization of Mars, probably.
uwagapies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind uploading/ downloading. Ghost in the Shell, etc. Brain and body start going fucky? hahah fuck you meat sacks, i'm going to the cloud.
plknz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finish off polio.
Reunification of N and S Korea.
Mt. Ararat and the surrounding highlands as part of Armenia, with an open border and peaceful relations with Turkey.
Substantial progress towards halting and/or reversing global warming.
Widespread nuclear disarmament.
KeddieKnuffelaar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction, just total fucking extinction.
Ezemy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breaking the 2 Hour marathon would be a pretty huge feat.
Not on a controlled course and in a big city race would be a lot better also.
jazzyjessie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A permanent global switch to renewable and clean energy sources. I'd like to leave a sustainable world behind for my kids.
TryCrank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1st contact with intelligent life outside Earth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a man with simple desires. I just want to hear at least one successful coconut fuck story.
OranosSonaro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of mars
regisgod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of dependence on fossil fuels.
Fittritious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see us learn what a real healthy diet is.
sinaidnb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man to swim faster than a shark.
LordFarquaad44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not using any more nuclear weapons
CaptainShrimps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make anime real.
AlfLives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neural links. I want to be able to interface my mind directly with external hardware. I honestly believe that cybernetic enhancements will be the next big thingTM . We're already augmenting our lives with technology, and we can't hardly lead a typical modern existence without it. Using a neural link as the mode of interfacing with the technology isn't really changing the technology we use; it'll just speed up the rate at which we're able to use it.
I'm also expecting this to lead to being able to read/write to the brain. This could enable your brain to be downloaded and run on an electronic computer instead of your fleshy brain. That's effectively immortality. As long as I have access to that technology the day before my body dies, I'm good with it.
Raidenka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:54:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Internet service classified as a utility made cheap and no longer in monopoly
Reneeisme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carbon sequestering happening on a scale sufficient to eventually reverse the damage we've done to the atmosphere. Actually, I want that real soon, but I'd die feeling a lot better about my kid's future if it happens somewhere along the way.
comcast_hater1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see all forms of traffic be automated. Vehicles are too dangerous to be left in the hands of human beings. Especially reckless teenagers.
It would also reduce traffic greatly, but that is just the icing on the cake.
jpdidz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George RR Martin finishing A Song of Ice and Fire
reddituswer1988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
SoMuchForSubtleties ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological immortality.
NJNeal17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space travel
cenariusofficial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ham
amer1kos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots.
rare_noise_condition ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Level 5 autonomy of self driving cars.
sasquaturd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widespread Immortality (ageless) and Gene editing to wipe out genetic disorders and diseases.
HdurinaS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely understanding the workings of the human brain
RossCode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:55:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bipartisanship
ChrisJames14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being alive when we send a probe to the nearest star. It would be amazing seeing the data and pictures we get back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gene therapy to extend youth and life.
sexyselfpix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please dont say mars please dont say mars...
xMeta4x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For our tongues to finally be long enough to lick our elbows.
jphoto686 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopping aging
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all of them
Prolemasses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all of them
Thompson_S_Sweetback ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlimited hibernation. It seems to be something that will be needed if interstellar travel becomes practical.
PM_ME_NINJA_TURTLES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A government that works.
jjfwicks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:56:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap holidays to America
violet_spam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A device that can read and write down your thoughts!
Piracanto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eliminating religion and allocating all those resources towards fixing the environment. Seriously, it's a lot of man-hours, attention, focus and of course money.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone finding the cure to all of the incurable diseases put there, even just one. That's a headline I'd love to see.
hanneman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyborg
Lulzorr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Digital consciousness. immortality through technology.
nick0010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
MasseyFerguson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skyscrapers on lush & green Antarctica due to global warming.
That would mean that we did manage to adapt into it instead of falling into an anarchy and misery.
prakumvan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better batteries or a sustainable energy source
Chimichanga13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First regiment of Colonial Space Marines
ookyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy.
llittleserie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computing. Definitely. So much more we can discover with such power.
Also, the kid in 2060 reading this with his quantum brain-chip, while having 600k 3D-porn running in the background, will find this hilarious.
Calius1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More like 600K Holographic VR Porn without any goggles with olfactory sense upgrade.
Phenakist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion power plants as a standard. Along side hydrogen to replace petrol at the pumps.
lazy_blazey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Settling somewhere that isn't Earth. If we can do that and succeed, then i can die happy because my daughter won't be limited by just our sky.
KuriboShoeMario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures to neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's, ALS, Parkinson's, MS, etc. They are among the cruelest diseases we have, I'd like to one day know we can truly combat these awful diseases and either beat them into submission or greatly extend the longevity and quality of life of sufferers.
Valridagan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL.
RagiModi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Charter of the United Nations achieved even in part. No endeavour has ever been signed and agreed to in such scale in the past. It truly is our greatest, and most foolhardy, ambition.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more plastics!
Arsinoei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
candidWil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to make to the year 2100.
akirartist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloned food
TheFacade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life on other planets would be amazing. Also, the singularity could, possibly, be fantastic.
Censorchef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:58:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity. AKA: an A.I. creates and A.I. smarter than itself. Would revolutionize science, engineering, economics, and pretty much life in general.
NewYorkNobody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The launch of SKYNET...
Oh wait.
IPlayTheTrumpet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See 100% renewable energy and 100% recycle rate.
TAFK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for alzheimers. Grandpa has it right now and I can only imagine if me or my dad get it. I just want to talk to my grandpa again and know he remembers who I am or even the words I'm saying to him. In my opinion it's worse than my grandpa dying in some regards.
Jackalopalen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ready Player One/Sword Art Online level virtual reality
Equilibriator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baldness cure :P
AlterAlias1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does making light sabers count?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you think about human achievement, you think of incredible feats of strength or intelligence. Like lifting something so heavy no human ever has before, running farther or faster than anybody ever had before, or building a vessel that can take you father and faster than any other vehicle has before.
Unfortunately we have digressed too much as a species, recently.. The single achievement I want for the better of our people is:
Impeach. Trump.
Richmond__Avenal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first human to be 1000
HumunculiTzu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of our solar system and beginning to colonize other solar systems.
Mustard_Sandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold Fusion - If we can get to the point where energy is essentially free, then the handcuffs are off.
ablauffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging would be nice.
cynicalmellinial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The disarmament of nuclear weapons and the materials used to power the earth for thousands of years. This would also result in drastic decrease in carbon emission, netting a slight cooling period, if I'm not mistaken.
ragatty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more religion.
senorfresco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanted to see Usain Bolt at his peak push through the final 10 meters of a race, crack 9.58 and see what the human body was capable of but I guess we'll never know...
shahsmerdis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proper Heart disease screening, prevention, and awareness. It's not too hard! For the number 1 killer, its redious how little people are aware and the common theme is to go to the doctor or get refereed to a specialist when you show symptoms. news flash, when you show symptoms usually you are well into heart disease and build up in your cardiovascular system.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total nuclear disarmament. Of course it will probably be preceded by the development of, like, ground based super lasers or something which makes nukes totally useless but I'm pretty ok with that.
ColossalCosci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Longevity treatment. I'd be cool with +50y added to my lifespan. For starters.
Ardinius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decrease in world wide wealth inequality.
cschmidt0525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like for us to confirm alien life in my lifetime. Doesn't matter how simple or intelligent - just want confirmation that we're not alone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true, functioning and economically stable socialist society.
justadude2467 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
vacation to the moon for a weekend
tomfmontana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human unity ! No religious wars, no racism just Humans
fiszu3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Molten salt reactors actually working and a few of them in every country
Pizzacrusher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
YES! this would be awesome. I want to be a part of it.
lobsterbake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see me get over my divorce at some point in my lifetime. It's been two years since she left and I'm only 33 years old, but still, I'm not counting on it.
fardeenah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GRRM finishing game of thrones
Elchidote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainability. Way too broad of a term to discuss but I'd like to see our impact on the planet reduced. Also money and politics. Fuck it all.
UhDoubleUpUhUh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tech that takes away jobs from: corporate lawyers, CEOs & executives, $multi-billion hedge fund & real estate investors, lobbyists, and politicians instead of laborers, drivers, agricultural workers, and the better part of the lower and middle class.
For a change.
RaisedByNinjas74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human colonisation of Mars.
Randy-DaFam-Marsh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment of the president
kkardi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to teleport humans from one place to another
kidmaciek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% of energy coming from renewable sources.
SeriousMichael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A handy from this one girl in my group of friends that I don't really know super well but is really cute.
migelini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would contact with extra-terrestrials be considered a human achievement? If so, that one.
JabTrill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloning a human or any sort of observable time travel
mangledeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creation of GAI, so I can watch the end of the world happen
Excelsior_i ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thorium Reactor
Kukadin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real working human centipede
killkreek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peaceful contact with extra terrestrials and, if it is the case, governments of the world admit that peaceful contact was made decades ago but the public was kept in the dark to preserve civilisation as we know it.
wearywarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every human being having enough food to eat and clean water to drink.
HurrdeerTf2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GRRM finishing ASOIAF
churrosricos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first man to walk on the sun ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rise of Biotechnology, given that scientists are able to do ethically 'controversial' research, resulting in the cure of genetic disorders in humans and maybe even breakthroughs in synthetic biology (like a fully designed animal or tree).
TyeWin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. I know it's too much to ask and not going to happen, but I'm so sick of all the hate.
EdwardSnowdensLaptop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:01:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My shit comments gilded. I know it'll never happen,but I keep dreaming.
RikiOh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Willy mammoths
yottaflop1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First mission to Alpha Centauri
The_Prince1513 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality.
Turbomattk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending of human trafficking
MpMerv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars. After self-driving cars become universal, cars will finally be able to fly safely because it'll all be in the hands of AI. You just input your destination, the car calculates a route, it recognizes all the other millions of cars along its route, it plans a trajectory based on this information since all the flying cars share the same server, it even plans where its "parking spot" will be and reserves it so other cars know it's pretaken. Then it hovers off the ground until it's at a height agreed upon by it and all the other flying cars in the server, rotates itself towards its destination, and propels itself to top speed until it gets close, slows down, stops, rights itself, and lowers itself into the "parking spot". No more time wasted commuting and stuck in pointless traffic.
Tserraknight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gig or half gig internet connection to every home.
piazza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable nuclear fusion
Daverism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mass realisation that there is enough resources to go around for everyone on the planet and the reason it isn't spread out fairly is that we are ruled by cunts.
Noteamini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The matrix. Literally solves the issue with over consumption.
MrVagtastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone being able to accept and acknowledge a comfortable silence.
two_gold_dubloons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for cancer. No one deserves that hell.
raptoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People stopping wars
UhDoubleUpUhUh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NFC that connects my EZ-Pass to whichever parking meter I'm in front of and automatically re-ups that fucker so I don't get a ticket.
Galdemfriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean transition from oil to renewable energy for all
VonBeegs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terra-forming technology.
haseo8998 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolishing of all religion
QuirkySquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical advancements to extend the average lifespan. Then we could probably see all of this stuff!
Dongo14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proving the Riemann Hypothesis
SEND_ME_JIGGLYPUFFS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars would be amazing.. but being greedy I look forward to affordable space tourism. Seeing planet earth from space with my own eyes sounds pretty gosh darn great.
Nergaal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:02:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, but affordable to the masses
LottieB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit embarrassed reading the comments about world peace and clean drinking water when my first thought was "getting to diamond rank in Overwatch".
tillerman35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure and/or vaccine to at least one more major disease, e.g. diabetes, heart disease, cancer, MS, ...
Note: I realize these are all terms that encompass multiple similar conditions. I'm just using them as examples. I'd be perfectly happy if they cured type 2 diabetes.
Zeropointportal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Becoming a type 1 civilization
Echo_cb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cyberpunk city come into fruition.
Harlequinphobia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone turning themselves into a pickle, using science of course.
efizzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figure out Artificial General Intelligence...spooky
senorfresco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seth Rogan and Kim Jong Un throw down.
WessexTV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic Universal Income. I think it would allow more people to be creative or entrepreneurial, and help with those who can only work part time. There are trials taking place in Finland, I'm interested to see how they go.
NintendoTodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
colonizing other planets, something like halo and destiny but we don't get attacked/invaded by aliens yet
Alasdaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A viable third party alternative to the Republicans/Democrats in the American political system.
dooffie66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bit controversial but human population control.
Pythontestbase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:03:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
omg
Bookratt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully functioning artificial pancreases, so Type I diabetics like our friends' young daughter, no longer have to wear an insulin pump 24/7, or worry about nighttime lows/slipping into a coma.
Showerice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First woman to break 4 minutes in the mile (1609m). The 1500m is raced in international events (meaning it is raced much more often) and the current record is 3:50.07. This time converts to approximately 4:07.5 for the mile.
dnesteb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Definitely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloned (or otherwise brought back from extinction) dinosaurs, or at least a cloned wooly mammoth.
ayy_le_memo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to someday become the Hokage of my village!!
nearedge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Able to wash colored and whites in the same wash cycle. It's 2017 and we still have laundry segregation.
CallMeRydberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... tfw you realize you've been doing laundry wrong this entire time
nearedge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't get it, why would you wash colored with whites? What am I doing wrong?
CallMeRydberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing I'm just too lazy to do it right
jl45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A boy swimming faster than a shark
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace?
mats145 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free education, healthcare and housing
cuzmonote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Know who is behind brojob..
Hitokiri2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The defeat of the Terminators (which will get here eventually)
The_Ron_Swansonson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI taking over the world, and then humans taking it back
SeaBear393 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloning efficiently. It would be nice to revive all the species we killed off. Also, I'd like to try dodo nuggets. Imagine going to a nice restaurant and having dinosaur on the menu.
RosemaryCrafting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer, Alzheimer's, and Depression
Zyrobe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The resolve after haters dabbing back
superfredge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting to a global state of diplomacy in which the human race hasn't got it's finger on the self destruct button at all times.
100PercentRudos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A legitimate cure for AIDS/HIV
PillagerOfShores ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life extension, rapid healing.
SheolCodeMonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated food production
KitchenSwillForPigs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know. Maybe see climate change stabilized. They hypothesize that the world won't be habitable as soon as 2100. I'd be about 106, which I could probably live to. So not seeing the world ending in my lifetime would be cool.
PepperPoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion (as in, profitable)
feliscat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel
totally_boring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interplanetary colonization and better virtual reality.
wild_bill70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars. Not prototypes actual mainstream Jetsons flying cars.
Buy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An ethnostate for every ethnicity.
elmasry9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a no war world would be nice
flipadelphia119 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
liberation of North Korea
jameskilgour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total global nuclear disarmament. Sadly less believable than getting to Mars but hey.
Riot101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity. The idea of having everyone connected though the internet is both scary and cool af.
JPizzzle15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1:50 marathon!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% Completion rate with zero deaths
Skunk73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable green energy.
Trekz707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just hoverboards that aren't these gimmicky shits they call hoverboards. (Also that weird frozenagnet board doesn't count since it only works in that one skatepark)
whitepengion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Net positive nuclear fusion reactors.
Calius1337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The realization that money doesn't really exist and therefore has no intrinsic value whatsoever.
jaredjeya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to go to space.
Because if I can go to space, that means it's so cheap it's practically routine. Which opens the door the colonisation and so much else.
hiuksetsilmilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting groped by 19 year old hot chicks in nightclub aggressively while they put drugs on my drinks and continue to rape me for numerous hours in hotel that they paid achievement.
eNaRDe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of my list that already happened is seeing America choose a Black President and weed basically being legal everywhere (pretty soon).
Finding life in Space and the Mars mission but that was never on my list until now. Never thought it would happened so I didnt even bother to want it see it happen :)
erebus49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm from Barcelona, I wish I could see 'Sagrada Familia" finished before I die, that would be a great deal.
Edit: spelled "befor" instead of "before"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:05:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd personally love to see a massive breakthrough on human transportation. The kind of thing that can whisk someone around the world from New York City to Tokyo in an hour or two.
No idea what that would entail, but it sure would be awesome to see.
atmmachine7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free college tuition
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dream recording and playback.
the_real_grinningdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense made common.
IveGotABluePandaIdea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For just one day, the entire planet shuts the fuck up.
Maria-Stryker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hyper loop would be cool
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for depression
sobrique ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Usable Fusion power.
Marcos-Lana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creat consciousness
Equinoqs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars, goddammit!
FabiovDiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI surpassing human intelligence
earp3ace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure to the common cold.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cause of gravity
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elon Musk making space colonies.
MediocreGatsby37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see what's at the deepest depths of the ocean.
blackxxwolf3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
peace on earth.
Juntistik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power
PackerBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Game of Thrones
12DaK12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality Technology๐
sjs780 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The finding of Madeline McCann would put my mind to rest.
candre23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income. I suspect that I will live to see it implemented, though probably not here in the US.
Usagii_YO ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:13:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's called welfare at the moment...
candre23 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Welfare" is just a catch-all term for a dozen different programs - Most of which are temporary, some of which are counterproductive, and all of which are difficult-to-impossible to qualify for.
The thing about universal basic income is that it's universal. Everybody is eligible, and nobody gets kicked off it because their situation changed or some arbitrary clock ran out. A fully functional UBI system would effectively eliminate homelessness and starvation.
moonkey124 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to download your brain onto a hard drive and then implant it into a robot and therefore live forever
theotherguyagain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not starting WWIII
SmileXOXO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeaching Donald Trump
Schmotz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Internet become a full blown VR World you can log into, walk around in, do some shopping etc.
So basically, Futurama's internet.
In fact fuck it, just give me Futurama.
lalozzydog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I think this fictitious wall of Trump's would be interesting. People seem to gloss over that it would be one of the largest engineering/building feats in history, a great wall spanning a continent. I'm not condoning or condemning, but the completion of such a wall would not be half impressive.
thepredditorchabner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firefly, season 2.
jenncomo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People to quit being assholes to one another all the time.
zukatex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Driverless cars.
SirGibbsalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetics that are better than the original human organ
rustylugnuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to aim low here. Cheap, low latency high speed internet everywhere.
lenswipe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer and/or HIV cured
lokeey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
Hovie1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That giant mech battle that we were promised so long ago.
I know it's not peace in the Middle East or clean water for everyone, but I still hope we get to see that some day.
lobie81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True AI singularity. Scary AF but inevitable so let's get it happening.
Also a real, non invasive cancer treatment.
And true human sustainability. Being able to make the choice to be 100% self sufficient as an individual or family would be amazing.
OllyPines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The recreation and repopulation of Dinosaurs. Hell yeah I want to bring my children to a Jurassic Park. And dinosaurs would solve like a bunch of problems. Drop a T-Rex in North Korea and let it do its business.
squintina ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:26:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are getting close to making the CO2 content of our atmosphere the same as it was when the dinosaurs were here so you may have something there.
OllyPines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow that's pretty amazing! Everyday is a school day I guess! Thanks!
mersyone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope they confirm other intelligent life or, at the least, just life out there in space.
mack1472 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A nontoxic and permanent cure for childhood cancer.
CARNIesada6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George RR Martin finishing the A Song of Ice and Fire book series would be quite the human achievement.
powerhungryhippo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Computer to Brain Neural Interface.
Flipmaester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global communism
brantman19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is using the "getting to Mars" or "colonizing Mars" but I just want to see some sort of terraforming project take shape at scale. Something along the lines of a machine or object that we can place on a planet to increase the pressure/oxygen/water so we can create life on a planet almost devoid of it. I don't even really need to see it changing before my eyes but just the knowledge that when I am about to die, that the human race will be working towards sustainable colonization efforts.
jeremielate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable energy. Use of renewable energy, more efficient and safe nuclear energy. It can be the greatest achievement of this century.
ebjtlrbrb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of artificial general intelligence and the result of the law of the accelerating returns (hopefully good)
Bodster7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Equality: people being people and treating everyone else ... like people
Usagii_YO ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The problem is, people are treating people like people and that's why there's all this mess about.
BigSquidInk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a man/woman on the sun
doragaes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Settlement of space. Self-supporting colonies on Mars and the Moon, outposts on other planets, effort to terraform Venus, and demonstration of a practical FTL drive.
draigor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
burning-sky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nature making a comeback. Mostly, deforestation subsiding to the point where growth outweighs it. And people have more access to clean water, antibiotics and food. I'm by no means a hippie (I'm a carnivore, I like heavy metal and titties) but I wish this for future generations like my kids. They have enough other problems facing them as it is growing up in this world in its current state.
manloveworld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable clean water, food and electricity for everyone. Hunger, thirst, electricity are still a major issue in most parts of the world.
HIT_THE_SACK_JACK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars.
And I'm like 80% sure it's gonna happen within the next 20 years, so I'm excited.
isadeadbaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having enough computer power to solve chess. I have a bet going with my buddy. He thinks its a draw but I have the high hopes of it being a forced win for white.
Hopefully it's in our lifetime!
1E____E1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One can always dream:
General artificial intelligence, Technological singularity, Sustainable fusion reactor
Bonus from the daydreaming sci-fi dork in me: Warp drive
OgdruJahad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful treatments that use CRISPR.
Mountainbranch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A single honest political debate.
rhodie-lite-infantry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hair transplants and dick enlargements
NeutralLcsFAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The meaning of existence. I may the only idiot who thinks this,but sometimes i reflect on life and think on the cosmic scale,like. We are like a few minor organisms in the universe,other than surviving,i'd like to know if there was a higher purpose than just living ur dreams.
damnwhiskeyrichard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A presidential impeachment
idioventricular ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you don't say "Mars" then you trippin
Specter06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual global unification, with reasonable access to food, water, and health services. But, hey that's supposed to be a precursor to end times. So, good with the bad right?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gasoline cars become obsolete. Less realistic is a gasoline itself becomes obsolete
pikk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloading consciousness to computer
Supersaiyan_IV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why can't we just, you know, go to the Moon?
SephyJR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this will sound weird, but I'm really looking forward to Bill Gates' contest to create a reliable and confortable alternative to condoms.
e_sunshine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% nation wide legal cannabis
scrambledmeggs12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for diabetes
srhine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instantaneous transportation (a-la beaming tech or stargate type means). 6hr flight to Europe? Me thinks not!
huntermaclean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon
Chinobeats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete dependency on renewable resources.
-the-last-archivist- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reaching the Singularity.
beggargirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for the neurodegenerative diseases: MS, ALS, Alzheimer's...etc
fookiebookie14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more poverty
paralyyzed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A single united international government. Abolition of religion
CammyBee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable energy planet wide
channing2nd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonoscopy performed Star Trek tricorder Style.
plasticarmyman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation!!
ThatGuyWithTheAxe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Id like to see a world without religion.
Masaphotog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to select a meta power.
Frission7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preserving the great barrier reef. I have wanted to visit it since I was a kid and hope by the time I can afford to it still exists
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some kind of faster than light capability
kingdowngoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That guy who's gonna fuck a coconut and livestream it.
Noctis90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The phasing out of religion would be stupendous
ashpens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dismantlement of the North Korean state and a reunified Korea. All political and war related complications aside...
Also, universal health care and public (read: free or much more affordable) college in the United States.
SorionHex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Replacing limbs and body parts with lab grown ones. This includes a drug that would stop brain deterioration.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial eyes to let the blind and people with impaired sight see!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthcare and Education becoming a human right. Also to rid the world of Nuclear and other destructive weapons.
Beard_of_Valor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap renewable energy on a new smarter grid so we can use that energy on our schedule, automated transport, vertical and hydroponic growing, leading to...
post-scarcity
_-TheTruth-_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing medicine reach a point where people don't die anymore. Kind of important for that to happen in my lifetime...
redbone_rawdog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Above all, the cure for cancer because I don't wanna lose my mom that way.
maluket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The true self-driving cars. I want just get at the back seat of my car and relax while it drives itself home or wherever I want to go.
B00ME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with intelligent life outside our solar system.
tirril ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functional Flying car, which enthousiasts can buy for fun. First Colonisation of Mars.
gaynerd27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we could eliminate homophobia that'd be nice...
IrresistibleHalwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
animating vento aureo
JPGer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical science advancing to the point u can have a whole body reconstruction, or see the tech get to where i can be a brain in a containment unit hooked up to VR.
birdman133 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Crimson_Titan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopping/Reversing aging.
anonymizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster-than-light travel.
AugustusCV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total immersion video game systems where game reality is indecipherable from phenomenological reality.
FightTheFallen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bipartisan government for the people.
iCloudStorageisfull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's talking about Mars and space exploration but we've only discovered 5% of earths oceans. There's practically a whole other world beneath us that could contain creatures or a whole other life system we've never seen before. It would be awesome to discover what's really down there.
andthenhesaidrectum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% of energy production through renewables.
Or
the elimination of a nuclear weapons.
squintina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why not both?
andthenhesaidrectum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the question was singular, so I both technically doesn't answer it. Obviously, that's the real goal tho.
FrugalPhilantropist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better Africa/ Peace in the Middle East
justanotherposter101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Financial equality across the globe. Improved treatment for heart disease and cancer. Less war.
UrbanGimli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A shift in human consciousness. I want something to drive us to feeling connected to each other and all the other creatures on our planet. No matter how far we look we're the most unique thing about our part of the universe. I guess I want a spaceship Earth mentality where we are the stewards of the ship instead of a momentary parasite.
Woooferine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Printed replacement organs on demand
ITomza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Melting the ice caps. They said we'd never do it but we're almost there.
Xenepa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Very painful death of some of the worst human beings today. All of saudi royal family, Erdogan, Kim Jong Un, Maduro..
squintina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You will never achieve enlightenment by wishing painful deaths on your enemies.
Xenepa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im not after some spiritual enlightenment, but pragmatic way for world peace
thepoliticalhippo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Africa figures itself out
ToastyVoltage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Automatic bathroom stall doors, for sanitary purposes.
IBrillix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having a day without war
seditive26114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyborg parts in public beta.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A zero waste world, or country!
tim_Andromeda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion or some (other) source of ridiculously cheap, clean energy to keep BAU going for another 80 years at least without totally screwing up the planet in the process. Plus cloud power the next phase of the space race. Fossil fuels are on their last leg.
dum_BEST ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perpetual motion machine
RagingtonSteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars Colonization god damnit
Sovereign_Curtis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity
HoMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understanding, empathy, compassion, and love-- so much so that wars wold never happen again.
puppetlord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The completion of the ASOIAF saga.
derpado514 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smell-o-vision.
Think of the smells! What if Uranus smells like Blueberry Gushers?
HoweHaTrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully autonomous transportation would be revolutionary.
cjc323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
frostyy8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
budzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for the curse that is cancer.
PmMeLewdCactusPics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd want to see a research colony put on either the moon or mars. Sort of like an Antarctica situation where only scientists are there.
amrdaraghmah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:13:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering a cleaner, cheaper, controllable source of energy...
Redsox933 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace, but more realistically teleportation of humans. It would be a bonus if was actually affordable.
Domesticbrush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A realistic plan agreed on by all nations to attempt to slow down/halt global warming
squintina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A much smaller population.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nerdy but a Pokemon game with every region in it
CeadMaileFatality ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing America turn this insane country around before it's too late
YottaWatts91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You need a serious tag.
Because I would like humans to meld with machines and some uber dna machines for the best sexual pleasure of the universe and what not.
Jahordon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel or the technology to do so. It's the only way to ensure our species can exist indefinitely.
myusernameisbetter1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
successfully protect our civilization, especially from ourselves (e.g. not nuking ourselves)
murdock_RL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
real life gaming
dougiethefresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A simple hover board I can ride to work
cultureshook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
personal one but a cure to be found for visual snow, many scientists disregard it but i cant really see in the dark:(
paramedic-tim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Starting a colony on Mars. I want to see people living on Mars, starting families, and expanding the human population beyond Earth.
russellridenour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing poverty ending would be very awesome.
Jimbobbly123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:14:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all countries to rely 100% on renewable fuels and still develop reasonably well
lamp42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first trans president
Mcginnis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment of Trump.
Humanity joining forces to actively combat climate change
A1essandr0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A United European Federation
ravingStork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any country to have the average education level high enough to achieve an appropriate democracy. We will be OK once that happens.
Urtedrage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing the world finally agree to get it together and solve problems that affect all of us would be great.
poehsia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
DragonDeez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like people to stop posting videos of concerts on social media. It's unlikely, but if it happens, we'll be taking a step in the right direction as a society.
cosmic_acid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dam agent 52
inrilatasanasurimbor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI Singularity FTW
MagicSPA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned Mars colony. I think we'd have gotten there by now had JFK not been shot.
PadovianChessiote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us control global warming by not exceeding two degree Celsius benchmark by the end of this century. Seriously, people have no idea how scary it is.
Maximus_Decimus92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
lenexasmith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator
mjk05d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:15:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A global one-child-only policy.
Johknee5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The replacement of Federal Government with true Democratic representation. (Our individual votes)
carpathianjumblejack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supercapacitors. That would be rad. And countries minding their own business
SpaghettiMonster01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transferral of brains into robot bodies.
I wanna live a couple millennia, dammit.
BlockedByBeliefs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh. Reddit? Derp
coxmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eliminate Hunger in the world
chinchila5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea to be liberated
erratic_behavior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transporters like system like Star Trek
Crooked_Cricket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Technological Singularity. I want a super computer in my brain and the ability to back up my memories.
inactivehuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cultured meat (lab-grown meat)
SenseiCB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super human capabilities
OgdruJahad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also actual photos/samples of the creatures that might be living in Lake Vostok and other subglacial lakes, which have been isolated from the world, its believed the lakes are millions of years old and may have life that evolved differently from what we know today. Plus if there examples of life in Vostok then there may be life in the subglacial lakes of Jupiter's moons Europa.
Twuntz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Molecular 3D printing that can create complex machinery & electronics.
throway_nonjw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything in this thread (secularism, clean water, fully renewable electricity, etc.), plus, and I know it's a long shot, but faster than light travel. We probably couldn't send people to begin with (spaceships are going to be way complex) but robot probes that bring back photos and samples would be cool.
BearSeekSeekLest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
zero latency internet and quantum computers
LittleIronMouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GRMM finish ASOIAF...
Stationdesmith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me winning the lottery.
katuc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legitimate virtual reality. I truly believe that within my lifetime we will see the ability to transport our minds into fully fleshed out fictional realities without having to move a muscle. Of course once that happens anyone who can afford it will promptly cease contributing to society, but I think that's worth it.
Guesty_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put man kind in the moon. I was born in 1991, so it's one to see what they can do with modern day technology.
RedWhiteBlueGreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Cabiano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm still hoping for a personal flight system tbh. Jet pack? Wings?
GeckoFlameThrower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unblurry Bigfoot pics
Dadskitchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really ? Can't believe all these people want to find life beyond earth blah blah blah, how about we end war,hunger, poverty and homelessness in every country on the planet before we start worrying about other planets and aliens eh ? Pretty sure the way we act they won't want a relationship anyway.
Shawncb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extension of our lifespan.
Uncle_Skeeter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a successful age reversal operation take place.
Era_Temira ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For everyone to go vegan by choice.
nikiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of poverty via AI.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to bang a redhead.
acquaman831 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me and my brother have discussed at length our desire to see science enable mankind to live indefinitely. We just hope that technology doesn't come about until the older, close minded generations all die out.
happntime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giant gay orgy
SciStarborne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widespread understanding of the self, allowing us to consciously overcome our instincts and lead mentally healthier lives.
indigonights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Automated electric cars on a global scale
M--coop- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Revival of Blockbuster/Woolworths etc etc
TheGoodNamesArgon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap/fast cross country (US) and intercontinental travel. Airplane tickets are expensive my dudes.
DudeImMacGyver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Becoming functionally immortal so I can explore everything.
whereisallepo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind seeing North Korea be turned into a nuclear wasteland.
Sen7ineL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp travel.
Bontebok1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:17:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A country creating and allowing an A.I. to run most facets of its government.
I know that doesn't sound like a "human" achievement, but I think it'll actually take a lot of maturity for people to accept that computers are inherently more efficient at most things than us.
ExRays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super efficient, widely producible, and inexpensive solar panels.
Edyd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One world order and curing addiction from the hardest drugs
scarabic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see climate change stopped and even reversed a little bit.
First: because if we can't do this, nothing else much matters. I don't like thinking about my children and their children stuck on a world that's headed for disaster.
Second: because this would be the most incredible achievement. It would require geopolitical cooperation, scientific innovation, planet-scale engineering, and even ordinary people will have to change and do their part.
A mission to Mars would be cool, but I think we have the major science figured out for that, and it's just a question of budget. But to truly understand a working model of our climate, and find a way to get people all working together... those are currently beyond our frontier. I'd like to see that change before I die.
epote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously no one wants to see superinteligence and our evolution (or replacement) by silicon life?
Randomuser1569 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to live just long enough to see my kid graduate high school
MacDerfus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We fucked coconuts. What's left to achieve? Can a dildo be made from them?
HardlightCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
KaiserNicholas2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully I'll get to see humans land on Mars and some point. Oh and getting to see a woman land on the moon would be great too, I feel like the moon is too often overlooked when it comes to space exploration
caitttsus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability for people to just establish a level of understanding of all of our differences. Just a more peaceful world where people don't just bomb the shit out of people who have different beliefs.
PrometheusGXX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality...please?
freerdj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion reactor, dark matter/energy, Alcubierre drive, worm holes.
Minotaurzombie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As someone already stated: find life on other planets. But if we're being realistic, I'd love to see humans safely land on Mars.
thehorsefacedman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time Travel
Imago_Mothtoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to transfer human consciousness into a machine. I want to live forever in a robot body.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extinction of the human race.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CURE CANCER ALREADY WTF
CastrateMeWithASpoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-awareness
Shivaess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans requiring more than 24 hours to wreck the planet would be nice
mijeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:18:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A REAL cure for cancer. My sister lost her life at age 18 in 2013 to brain cancer the second time around (first time was leukemia when she was 11), my dad died of a broken heart the following year, and a cure is all I've ever wanted since then.
EvilMonkeyMimic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The concept of money becoming irrelevant.
DeathStarJedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex dolls indistinguishable from the real thing
NormalMacdonald ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer would be cool
crumpis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Sharknado reboot coming out on the same day as Sharknado 9.
max_cavalera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liberation of the North Korean people.
oh_jaimito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I applaud all the top replies, they are thoughtful and truly remarkably achievements.
But I just want the entire race/species of cockroaches just fucking dead.
Flamingcheetopuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless vr
stygger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technological advance reach a point where Elon Musk decides to retire due to nothing needing to be done.
omfgallnamesare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing. Then ill die in peace.
tc_cookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
geckogarry getting to 1 million upvotes
tmart06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy worldwide
toxiczen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Battlemechs
caramelwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting a human onto another planet, probably Mars.
Helvanik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Controlled nuclear fusion. That's real, long-term, clean energy ladies and gentlemen.
AdrianWins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting humans on Mars.
Just like construction, space endeavors inevitably have set backs. I'd love experience the voyage to Mars.
neleram ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars, bitches
Nathan_OS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love real VR like from SAO.
Maynardizm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel to another solar system with a planet that can support life.
Cure for all negative health conditions.
World uniting together to share resources and technology to better the humane race as a whole.
YouHvinAFkinGiggleM8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting to Mars, I study engineering physics and space systems so I'd like to help get us there too
InformalProof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation may seem like science fiction, but we have already teleported [information] from a satellite recently. Being able to have information instantly would be great. Imagine lag free internet, being able to travel the universe and communicate in real time. Physical teleportation would be amazing as well, because if I have to sit in traffic in Atlanta one more time...
wr0ng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to the idea that economical growth should be the sole aim of modern society. I like to think that humans in the distant future will look upon this period as one of humanity's silly phases.
m0notone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To stop animal agriculture and completely rely on plant food. Would be so good for the world on so many different levels.
throwmeintoatrain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone being able to piss on a different planet.
Fucking beautiful.
GrimbleGrewpiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Myself being content and happy
TrumpetMan7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Setting aside our differences in order to enrich the world rather than tear each other apart for the sake of ones self
benitoho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to live forever so I can witness all of humanity's achievements.
CaptainIronman21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For aliens to attack us, then the world to come together to form a league. Some might call it a justice league.
_danBro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of bronze aged fairy tales - Religion.
crappingmypants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A future like Star Trek where there is no longer a need for currency, and people are able to obtain basic human necessities like food clothing shelter and healthcare as a human right and on the basis of human dignity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of corporations buying governments and abusing the people they're supposed to represent.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I think about all the huge forward leaps we've made in communication... in just over 150 years going from morse code to live high def video conferencing on mobile devices over cellular... I am extremely impressed and amazed.
In my life, I'd like to see a leap of that kind in medicine.
Benjaminom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game of thrones season 8 finale.
Smsons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see humans living and acting like humans
LookattheWhipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans travelling in space...and someone please Fucking map our oceans and figure out what's down there
somanykillerrabbits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A printer that is not a spawn of hell.
MadGeekling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Starting a successful colony on Mars.
cthomas3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to close the YouTube app and have it still play the music
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regular routine travel to space. I hope I can do that before I buy the farm.
klezmai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT : blatant lack of realism. Or maybe people stopped reading before the end of the sentence.
SalsaBoy93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless robot teach pendants. Damn cables... (yeah yeah, safety is an issue...)
mundotaku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
0 emissions, universal peace and end of hunger.
BigDaddyIce12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone wants to solve world problems but honestly I'd be fine with just getting some good free internet within 20 years
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power. We figure that out, we win the universe.
PhilthyMcNastay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No religion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ArcticWolves_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Attaining Nuclear Fusion technology. Almost unlimited energy with little to no waste
Phaethonas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear war.
Between the US and North Korea.
Ooops, sorry, not a real achievement I guess.
retroquikz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ability to find the g spot with perfect precision
jnthnplltr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully immortality. And then hopefully everything else after that.
NekuNekuNeku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My boy Arteezy winning The International.
Karmakakez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel to other planets
MrJagsterS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:21:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a man on Mars
Seanpauls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
:"nothing":
yea
rbickfor1988 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We understand so little about the brain (compared to how complex it is-- not like we know nothing). But if we could understand better a number of its processes and then come up with better treatments for neurodegenerative diseases (Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc.) or things like TBI, that would be pretty awesome.
Plus, understanding the brain better would also give us more insight into the nervous system as a whole. More information there might help us understand how/why nerves don't regenerate and this could help us with spinal injuries.
So... nervous system information and progress, basically.
Nappy0227 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with intelligent aliens
CMBest98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically, I would say a major human achievement we could see is a biofuel that can actually compete with gasoline. Currently, the biofuel we get from certain plants like sorghum often will not provide enough fuel to get the machinery across the field to harvest it
PsychNurse6685 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Diplomatic relations with all countries
Lorenzum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Important scientific achievemnts in general, tho I'd like humans to go on other planets or even start colonizing the moon/planets or discovering other sentient life or even just big advancement in medicine and chemistry (which is a field I'd actually like to work in). I'd also settle for less corrupted politicians and a successful effort to stop climate change.
EDIT: the (peaceful if possible) eradication of religion is fine too
PowerOfLoveAndWeed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see Jacques Fresco society become real
ep1c00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Limiting climate change to an extend to be sure it's stopping to get warmer.
bananafreesince93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proper fusion.
Essentially free energy in abundance would revolutionise everything.
Phantom_dominator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
trasheagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for hearing loss and tinnitus.
Kocka3D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me having a girlfriend
jedisparrow7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:22:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A comprehensive meteor collision defense system. Unless I missed something recently we're still vulnerable to fatalities on a scale of millions from a potential collision. Should happen in parallel with interplanetary travel expeditions.
Aging_Shower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading the mind to the cloud.
Unreal_Banana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No world wars please.
seefatchai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"May all be fed"
Unfortunately, I and millions of others are addicted to meat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More funding for pediatric cancer.
Bun_my_yip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on the moon
rusHmatic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because I was given shitty advice as a kid in terms of diet, I'd love to see the management of shitty teeth repair as something other than drilling and filling.
d0gsbestfriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to see a day where our trash is divided by just recycle and compost. So in the end everything gets recycled. No more trash dumps
sahil-tandon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Becoming a Type 2 Civilization and building a Dyson Sphere encompassing the Sun. And ofcourse colonizing Mars and other planets.
TheresaMay1617 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing all mental illness
Burney1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intergalactic planetary, planetary intergalactic.
SquiggleMonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want lab-grown meat to be developed to the point it becomes mainstream. Just seems like it would be so much more efficient and ethical than mass-farming animals.
pm-me_your-room ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL space travel
jonshaw916 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first man to walk to the moon
Alexandertheape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
divert financial and human resources toward sustainable housing, energy and transport for everyone. UBUNTU style.
mouvz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of civilization as we know it
DoctorWho2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dread_pirate_roberto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the U.S. with open borders
0fxgvn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crystal clear, reliable cell phone service with no dropped calls.
Rickyc12s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death of all or most of mankind
adamhanly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
kindness.
errorsniper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:23:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator. I doubt it will happen but a few countries already have solid plans.
Caden_Popps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality?
xpt1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 40 second 400 meter Ran in track and field
KAYZEEARE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being completely incompetent political human beings and unifying all resources to maximize our time on this planet or make a run at trying to move the human population to habitable planets.
RodneyDangerfuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ending global warming
srcrz347 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars
Hank___Scorpio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to admit our small habitual behaviours are part of the problem.
TheMexicanJuan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding alien life. I just wanna see what it looks like.
WiseKouichi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
virtual reality
IntJizzlefosho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WW3
MajesticGoosePoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global temperatures returning to normal.
bolthead88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism worldwide.
the_funkywizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace, I doubt it will ever happen bc there's always some asswhole who wants to take control but it would be really cool
Wobblycogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd really like to see someone walk on Mars.
I don't think we should be setting up a colony there just yet but we could really do with having an achievement that the whole world can look on and say "wow".
I'd also like to see us fix global warming and figure out fusion power but I don't suppose they will happen in my lifetime.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of our nukes (does anyone really think it's sustainable to have thousands of nukes around indefinitely)
scottperezfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Negative carbon pollution โ essentially a majority of energy-generation from renewable sources.
Also a switch to biodegradable plastics by default. Shit is out of hand.
Napoleon200 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer.
1blackbear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure cancer and diabetes.
cablemigrant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unified Humanity.
thisisnotdan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
hooberjabber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Video phones like in Total Recall
DownvoteIfYoureHorny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An enormous extension of youth, to where we dont grow old until we're 300 years in or something. Sure this would no doubt cause other problems in the world, but this is in the scenario we can deal with them. Life is too short.
LeftHandSwe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-driving cars is something I look forward to becoming the norm
olliemctwist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People stopping corporate greed.
Retrograde_Lectin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure cancer.
slipperylips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never going to happen. Big Pharma is the legal drug Mafia and would lose $Trillions. My dad had leukemia. The cancer treatment drug Gleevec cost about $5,000 for a 90 day supply.
Retrograde_Lectin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I worked on research for Pfizer for 10 years and the cost of bringing a drug to market is crazy. You can spend $100 million in 10 potential drugs, 1 makes it past all clinical trials and gets FDA approval. You then have 10 years or so to make ALL the money back for this drug before the patent expires, also need to recoup for the drugs that didn't make it and for ongoing research and development.
I think the government has to help with research expenses and pass the savings in to patients.
I'm sorry about what your dad went through and despite my above explanation I totally get why people hate big pharma.
slipperylips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the cost of research and development in the pharmaceutical industry, and yes, the government should help fund new drug development and then they would have a moral and legal right to reign in costs. BTW, new patents allow companies to keep drug monopolies for 20 years. Source:https://www.forbes.com/2002/05/02/0502patents.html It still doesn't address that main issue which is how much money should Big Pharma make on new drugs. They could have charged my father $100,000 for Gleevec to extend his life for 3 months. Where is the ceiling? By your argument why doesn't the patent EVER expire. Why can't drug companies keep a drug monopoly forever? Pfizer paid for all the R and D out of their pocket so don't they have intellectual rights indefinately? See where this is going.
Retrograde_Lectin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, I was guessing at what the patent period is now.
Ive been out of the business for 9 years now. I was an advocate of big pharma's right to prosper until I got laid off and the CEO got a 68 million dollar golden parachute.
slipperylips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The same with health insurance. the CEO of Blue Cross/ Blue Shield of Mass got a $11 million dollar chute and he was on the job for 6 years and the company lost $150 million. One day people will wake up. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/03/02/former-blue-cross-ceo-gets-11m-in-severance/
Obamacare isn't perfect but it is great for my family. I paid $1,200 a month for Blue Cross with a $2,000 family deductible. I couldn't go to my local hospital because it was "high cost share". I pay $200 a month for Obamacare with $0 deductible and I can go to any hospital.
Retrograde_Lectin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Excellent. Yeah, it's not perfect but it's a lot less unfair.
flymolo5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removing lobbying from congress and having fair elections
ego1014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea being evacuated except for the government, and being destroyed by their own bombs because they have no one left around to throw their missiles across the Pacific.
I imagine Un saying to himself "I am God, I can throw this all by myself" and it going no further than the kid from the Sandlot's first pitch.
truenorthnerfherder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustained Nuclear Fusion. From what I hear, we're actually fairly close. What a world that would be.
User0728 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Livable minimum wage.
TheThirdStrike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holodeck.
I really want to play in one of these before I die..
Hikari95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing and eradication of Alzheimer's disease.
Might not be as glamorous as world peace or a manned mission to Mars, but I've seen first hand the pain and inconvenience it can cause, not just to the patient but everyone around them. It is an evil disease.
If it's not cured and I'm ever diagnosed, I'll be checking myself into a Swiss clinic pronto.
morganrbvn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
colonizing mars. Just the beginnings i don't expect much.
8_inch_throw_away ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The completion and implementation of a universal quantum computer.
LuxSolisPax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
biomech augs
beaglebot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me having lasting friendships
TheFlowersYouGave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Harsher punishments for parole violaters, Stan...and world peace!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
robot servants
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality?
stuckinatrance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sustainable habitat on another planet/moon. IDC if its one dude chillin in a 8x8 moonbase. I want to see us become explorers again.
RedLogicP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OASIS-like VR
tallaghtmick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL space travel (though highly doubltful) Slow down ageing.
R4p354uc3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:25:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surprised no one has said climate engineering. Many are talking about slowing down global warming by forcing people to make lifestyle changes. Even if that were feasible (it's not) why don't we focus on actually removing CO2 from the atmosphere and actively controlling the atmospheric and oceanic temperature of the earth? We have enough of a concept of the mechanism that causes global warming, all we need is the energy and resources to put systems in place to get the climate back to how it was ~100 years ago.
Going further, we may even be able to prevent storms like hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. that claim thousands of lives every time they strike. We can bring rain to areas like deserts where the land is effectively useless and turn it all into usable land.
This is one of those things that will be a stepping stone between a species that can control the resources the earth provides to a species that can actually control the earth itself. It would be incredible to see even the start of climate engineering within my lifetime.
sigurdz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Valve banning cheating CS:GO professional players.
rumplestiltskin8er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboards, I'm still waiting.
Cherpyderp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resegregation.
Toastwaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse global warming.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality would be nice.
But if I can't live forever, passable sexbots will do.
DasFrettchen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Ikinhaszkarmakplx2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human full-fledged, dna-edited clones.
friend1949 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eliminate the guinea worm. Eliminate malaria among humans.
lukelnk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real, honest to god hoverboard, while I'm still young enough to enjoy it.
TerryGond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human achievement in my eyes is World Peace
Seam0re ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would just like to see peace worldwide for a little while, at least just a little while...
isaidnolettuce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is extinction an achievement?
NickCageIsAWoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interplanetary travel, or the first deep space human traveler. I am 37 now. It seems feasible that in the next 20-30 years we could develop a propulsion system that make this a possibility.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:26:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a average person on mars/the moon.
tocamix90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Single payer healthcare that works great.
Forgottenechoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of intelligent non-aggressive alien life.
Settling of other planets in and out of our solar system.
Creation of sentient AI.
A country governed or "micromanaged" by AI.
The end of the aging process.
Creation of synthetic bodies (and "brains") both for humans and AI.
End of world hunger.
End of all diseases known to men (I'm aware mutations will still happen)
Cloning of extinct species and building of a great park for said species (cause that always works so well lol).
Perhaps cloning of humans? (I'm aware it's considered unethical as fuck)
Discovery of a way to make space travel super fast.
Discovery of a way to make space communication fast.
tulutollu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap, easily accessable cure for death
OtherCera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some day all organ transplants will be stem cell based organ transplants. If that happens within my lifetime, then I get a whole new lifetime to hope for us to achieve even greater things!
INTP36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The legalization and/or and end to governments holding patents on life saving drugs and procedures for life threatening diseases such as cancer or heart disease.
Nobody is truly free unless we are allowed a healthy life.
renabunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reduce gun violence.
SoCalrissian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a person on mars would be cool!
Mikemtb09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. Imagine how much more we could get done if we weren't all sitting in traffic...
Thelife1313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing a human on mars. I would have went with cure for cancer but someone beat me to it.
Mforsb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Vegan, Atheist, or Cross-fitter going through life without mentioning it once
ninjafrog658 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either man setting foot on Mars or a cure for cancer. I lost both my grandfathers to cancer.
SavageGarlic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
I mean aging is on par with a genetic disease.
walkingxbeard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars, not that winged half airplane/car bullshit Legit wanna see my Toyota launch into the air and fly
argon_infiltrator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a space colony. Mars, moon or some asteroid. I just want to see humans living in space so I can die knowing that human race won't be wiped out by nuclear war or some stupid murderous asteroid.
-knave1- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars
bigsmily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:27:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
I know it wont happen, but I hope that means I will live forever
PirateKilt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asteroid Mining
Loqgamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see Chernobyl clensed and visitable without hazardous components
RosneftTrump2020 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life extension. But only if it can also make me young again. Fuck getting old.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bio engineering should be going full swing in a couple of years which will allow us to live forever. so most of us will probably live to be thousands of years old. so no worries about 'your lifetime'
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazy Horse, that shit is huge
jkohl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gundams. Or an equivalent giant robot mech suit. Doesnt even need to be Gundam sized, 3 stories tall would do me just fine.
R0ot2U ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
32 County United Ireland.
Fixer951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Battlemechs.
If I found out that 'Mech technology, even rudimentary stuff, was being produced for military or civilian use, I'd change my whole life to be a part of it.
I'd quit my job, I'd sell my stuff, I'd leave everyone and everything behind to get shipped off to Space Marine school on Mars, if it meant I'd get to pilot a giant robot.
It doesn't even have to be cool. I'd happily work a boring, minimum-wage job for the rest of my life, if I could operate a Power Loader like they do in Aliens. I'd do the really dirty black ops work and never bat an eye, so long as I'm committing my war crimes from inside a real, live Titan.
I don't need to be a good guy. I don't need to be remembered. I don't care if I die screaming in a twisted metal death machine. I want to shoot big guns and drive big robots.
zyocuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income. I hope that AI takes over enough jobs that this happens. And more people can just do things they enjoy instead of spending so much time at work, away from family and friends.
Silver_Yuki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated transport systems, so even the heavily disabled can still easily get around...
patscelticssox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saving the bees
targarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:28:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp drive
ParanoidDrone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Establishing some sort of permanent offworld settlement.
Brick79411 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human colony on Mars, or at least sending humans to Mars.
viscacatalunya1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent human presence on another stellar body.
ashlose1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans achieve teleportation before I die. No more traffic problems then!
Camorune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality and or the singularity. If I see one I will probably see the other.
Jaylee143 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if it's a human achievement per say but I really would love to make contact with aliens!
SyrianArabArmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Islam's dissolution
khanhdever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sword art online Game, Real thing , NOT trapping forever of course.
onthelevels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Alzheimer's. It'll be too late for my mother, but it will stop other children from having to suffer through watching their parents disappear a bit at a time.
erasureinsea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Closing the achievement gap for students of color, low socio economic status, and lgbtq students. Ensuring the all children receive an effective and equitable education which will prepare them to be productive citizens and contribute to society.
HeadHighSauce26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This isn't nearly as grandiose as some others here, but treatment for male pattern baldness would be sweet.
NobleHalcyon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? While I'd love to see miracle cures for all of these horrible diseases, I think first I'd want to actually see progress made towards providing basic healthcare and shelter to just one entire country.
baudday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People actually caring about other people who aren't exactly like them
aprilmarina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp drive
ballacityusa12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People being able to not believe click bait and critically think about news articles.
test_tickles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Christians behaving like christians....
breusch91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to attach new limbs and regain full function and sensation, whether it be robotic or a donor limb. Definitely could see this one happening in my lifetime
The206Uber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For my daughter, a cure for type 1 diabetes.
r3dd0t23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Alzheimer's
900gStillAlive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans colonizing other planets. That would be a dream to me.
2themax9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jetpacks
nebs_underscore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:29:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global free healthcare, more affordable electric cars, no more use of fossil fuels.
tamakerii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Converting all/most energy resources to sustainables/renewables 2) Ending world hunger and drought 3) Seeing the leaders of the world unite in peace 4) Creating education and schools for all children/young adults everywhere 5) Creating affordable healthcare to all people 6) Finding other intelligent/cognitive lifeforms 7) Getting people to mars or other planets in our solar system
I know it's a lot to ask for but seeing these things would make me so darn happy.
moskalik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. Selfishly there is a lot of cancer in my family, so i have a feeling that is what's going to the me out
xbrianspasmx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Philadelphia Flyers winning the Stanley Cup.
ThisIsMeHelloYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of god and the rise of wisdom
SharkWeekJunkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The most important thing that can happen to humanity which is: we go extraterrestrial.ย
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super efficient solar panels and inverter at Home Depot or Loews as easily available as 4x8 plywood. 1,000 watts for $200. Grid inverter for less than $500. 10,000 watt sealed battery pack for less than $1,000. I'd buy 15K watts and string together the batteries for 40,000 watts. OR something else like that, like fuel cell or something. Basically, independently producible power that's affordable. Its' getting there now. I can get panels for less than 40 cents a watt. Inverters are still expensive though.
bobdob123usa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp technology.
fdnmgg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop using plastic in anyway possible. (Not talking about medicine and such things)
rshabibi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck my first alien gf
_-BURN-THE-WITCH-_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality for everybody :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize that would be the end of mankind right?
_-BURN-THE-WITCH-_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not if we forcibly sterilized everybody :)
soonsnookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
self driving cars, better traffic. no more cars as status symbol (at least for the "normal" people)
kiro1212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kardishev 1
newmetaplank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.. Duh.
biophazer242 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Habitation on other planets.
d0zad0za ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing baldness/thinning hair :(
ThatGuyJinx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The U.S. winning the world cup... ::sigh::
FoxClass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computing and the advancement of neural networks
andydude44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:30:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing ageing
moby323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars.
Seriously why are you guys givibg up on this!?
ramenfam_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An efficient way of working with the impending overpopulation of earth without turning it to shit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not what I necessarily want to see, but what I see happening... Being able to use someones face as a social media code, i.e. hold your phone camera up to their face and it instantly finds their Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc, the same way snap-chat codes work to add each other.
DeathLycan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology
funwillfunwill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
paulblartirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's sports and minimal but new 100m WRs. Something in the 9.1-9.2 range would be rad
CommonerWolf20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humanity begin to live somewhere other than this earth. The Moon, Mars, or even further. I want to see rockets take off headed to explore space. To casually get on a ship and be headed to another planet far away just like we do with planes on Earth today.
I would love to be on them, but I'm 25 now and I don't see it happening in my lifetime, at least not while I am young and in good health to go.
xd366 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fixing that thing where the doors lock if you pull the handle as soon as the car is unlocked
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hibernation.
MalenkoMC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space vacations! Basically a cruise line in space. I'm hoping to have another 40+ years on this planet, would be awesome to spend some time off of it every now and then before I die. :D
ooboh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somebody filling out a perfect NCAA bracket.
That'll probably never happen though.
RaoulDuke209 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accepting that we are but a blip in the history of human civilizations on this planet.
b_tight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power
ctl7g ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait until the widespread ubiquitous access to the internet undercuts the racial, religious, ethnic, etc divide that so many people form and become a part of from growing up in some form of isolation.
I honestly think that videos of kids playing soccer or goofy whatever videos is the hope of future people seeing themselves and not "the other" that will give us the best chance at world peace, or making a unified mission to other planets etc like many of these other redditors want to see achieved.
I am hopeful for the biggest changes coming from these small things.
oroyplata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone live to be 500 years old.
JonnyApplePuke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
Cheesy maybe, but at least I am honest.
Freakinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not destroying the world.
DonFrio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion producing mans energy needs
mmendesc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world where we don't need to charge our devices , or batteries that last months for everything
wrkyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inflation-tied universal basic income in my country and others.
-rizzet- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fading of fundamentalist religion. Getting tired of seeing people literally waving bibles and yelling on street corners every weekend in my city.
marti810 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for Alzheimers. I'd like to go out with my mind still in tact.
Nophox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ghost in the shell style prosthetic bodies.
Velocityx41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure aging, and be rich and important enough to afford it.
Raspberries-Are-Evil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars.
healthyEDRO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them.
But first, the ability to stop aging or the ability to upload consciousness. The singularity approaches.
TheWeaselKing77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable fusion
WhitePrivilege101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have someone walk on the moon..
logicalcoffee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely the cure for death.
GeckoeyGecko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power. Cheap, clean, energy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The completion of Gaudi's Sagrada Famรญlia, an architectural masterpiece that is still being built, nearly 135 years after the ground was first broken on the project.
Natedukes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us get a grip on our population and start reversing it. There are way too many of us in my opinion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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two_what ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Automated interstate travel. We're centuries away from all roads being able to be successfully traversed by automated vehicles, but only a few decades away from the interstates being able to support them. Sort of like "the Jetsons" where you can drive your car normally everywhere except the major thoroughfare.
notmichaelmoore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to all types of ignorance.
UberHyperbole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global universal basic income.
leehomf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global consensus on global warming
9gagRefugee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creating small livin organism easily on a computer
crawyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans being able to live past 100 on average.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human immortality through head transplantation and dementia suppression. The longer you live the smarter you get (Not always, I understand). Think about that plus immortality.
Anser_Galapagos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing/reversing/identifying the cause of Parkinson's
QSquared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technological singularity, or immortality
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An effective cure for baldness. Like a simple pill and your hair would grow back 100% naturally again.
schwing_daddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:06 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would you swallow that pill if it meant you would have a full head of hair but you would be sexually impotent?
schwing_daddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:39 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:22 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wat?
schwing_daddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:29 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
are you bald
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:43 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes :D
schwing_daddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:13:45 on August 17, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me too
catwishfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending poverty while increasing autonomy.
typesblkura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
extinction.
Punxsutawney_Fill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A person landing on Mars
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical advances to cure major health issues. Cancer, diabetes, AIDS, etc.
jonasnee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anti biotics and anti-viral improving to the point where there is no such thing called "resistant" anymore. i know that making non resistible biotics is dangerous because well, it will fuck with you just as much as the invaders (we use bacteria to digest food in case you don't know).
550r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see poverty eliminated in at least one nation. I believe that this will allow people to take risks and pursue passions like never before and that will cause a boom of creators that will help tackle a lot of the things mentioned here. That's why I'm such a big proponent of UBI.
samuelspark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3D printed anime waifus.
rtwpsom2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All these noble and dignified answers and I just want to see book 7 of A Song of Ice and Fire.
TrulyStupidNewb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding a reliable cure for depression.
Skittlez_P99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cock pushup.
dekke360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fusion reaactors, room temperature superconductors, quantum computing
bbuczek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I had almost the exact title when I posted this a few years ago.
j1mo7hy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A colonization of the solar system.
Coast_watcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:33:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
thepillarofshiva ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
artgo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending of war without killing creativity, freedom, and liberty. Otherwise, I think technology will continue to make killing easier and easier for independent and institutional groups alike - and I think technology is the reason for the immediate urgency in psyche evolution.
mandraulic54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An international federation that acts as the larger Earth government with the previous countries that reside in it being representative states. This would be cool.
luminouspotato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending poverty/austerity
TiTaak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of every major religion.
imaginedaft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hunger getting eradicated completely from this world. We don't deserve to call ourselves the most intelligent species when so many people go to sleep with an empty stomach every night.
Motorheade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terraforming another planet
sagewynn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars.
quarkmatter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A theory of everything
Archorous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
;)
snorris309 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reconciliation with alien life
Bluedemonfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality so that I may see every other human achievement.
zeydonussing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income
cecexexe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to dispose of radioactive material safely.
TSOTM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp speed!
TheRealBigLou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see a unanimous recognition of global climate change and man's impact on the environment. It's so difficult to fix our home when half the people are so adamant that there's nothing wrong at all. I recently had a daughter and the realization that my actions will directly affect her and her children's future is very sobering. I don't want my great grandchildren to live in a desert wasteland because a great deal of people were too concerned with today's profits that they ignored tomorrow's problems.
14andSoBrave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear winter.
You know, global scale killing shit off type thing.
If I am going to die, the rest of you should join me. That's what I want to see.
The peak of human achievement. The last one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What really is in that briefcase in Pulp Fiction
thalab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe Barrel travel over Niagara Falls. Like an amusement park ride.
jeremyosborne81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable large-scale life off planet Earth. It's necessary for the continuation of life as we know it. Eventually a planet killing space object is going to obliterate Earth and we need some kind of defense.
ViolentThespian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Effective and affordable medical exoskeletons.
Anyone who's worked in an ER can tell you that the apocalypse could very well be caused by every single old person falling at once. Society would never recover.
STL_Blue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
St. Louis Blues winning the Stanley Cup. I've seen multiple Cardinals World Series wins and even a Rams Super Bowl win...or two...If i get to see the trifecta i will be able to die happy. Also i guess the cancer and space colonization stuff, that would be neat.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First female American president. As a girl who's grown up wanting to be in politics, seeing a woman in the highest office in America and probably the world would be amazing.
bestknighter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good Brain-Computer Interfaces allowing prosthesis to work as fast and as precise as a real limb. This also mean that Matrix-like VR, without the death part and the spear to the brain part, would be really close and I would love to see that too.
konchilovsky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genome modification.
hymntastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full dive virtual reality
RedditTrollin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Winter
TehRoflNife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel.
flippflopp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
general artificial intelligence. I want to have a conversation about a philosophical topic and have my mind blown by a computer
mgElitefriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of corruption
psiko74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone develop super powers
somedude456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real life woolly mammoth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity
gokul113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Diabetic retinopathy
RavenZhef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's wishing for great things...meanwhile my first thought is that I want to feel like I've finally reach success before I die, whenever it is. That happy moment people say as the moment you can safely say to yourself that you've made it.
varkarrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical Immortality
lorddrame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planetary expansion (Mars will be enough) , the ability to reprogram DNA in a useful vaccine style manner and deus ex body limbs. I know how awesomely close we are to all of these issues. So I'm hopeful that they'll become more amazing as time goes on!
notyourtypicalhuman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
arethoudeadyet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone's going to say cure cancer, go to other planets... Fuck that and all the other, we should teach our kids how to be better people and how to create a better society where everyone is helping each other. We, as a society, are doomed.
offenderWILLbeBANNED ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please go to mars and set up human colony there before i die.i am in my early 30s
droppingbasses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The inner geek in me is dying for someone to port their entire mind into a machine
Gotdatformuoli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want humans to colonize another planet ,so i know i can breed without having to worry if my offspring will even have a planet to live on.
CreativeAnorexic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Google translate for my dog
Skyressian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fair government .Please.
SoWren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to poverty worldwide.
Foxmanded42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either immortality or some kind of way to detect or prove the existence of god
weirdguyinthecorner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Learning to not piss all over the toilet seat.
Whiona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering aliens. I believe very strongly that they're out there (and no, I don't think the government is covering up UFOs or they built the pyramids or whatever) because surely, we can't be the only life-bearing planet in this unbelievably massive universe. I just want to know what they're like before I die.
MediocreMeercat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
USA winning a World Cup, I am simple.
Maxwell3004 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gaming where I put a helmet on and am in the actual game.
CicaMic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobyte medical technology. IE: Repairing an injury with some sort of spray or gel
rberg303 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technology that removes all cords.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete change to sustainable energy production - choosing to use a certain device only because you have enough money to buy the power, without having to justify it because of the climate. Fusion reactor could be helpful in this regard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full biological human rejuvination. In other words, we get old and sick because our cells and DNA slowly become damaged over time. Like a car we can reverse the damage in theory but most medical research is just focused on symptoms. Hopefully we'll get our head together
BlueKoin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see the point where robotics become so advanced that we have both perfect robotic prosthetics and fully sentient robot people.
Imagine a point where loosing a hand is equal to loosing your hair or adult teeth. "Oh, you lost your hand in an accident? Here's a robot hand, you won't notice a difference." Or if it were possible to fully restore sight, hearing, or even the use of someone's legs by using robotics.
Robotic people, on the other hand, is just something that I think would be really cool, and probably wouldn't solve as many problems as robotic prosthetics. I just want to be able to make friends with a robot and/or marry one.
Doobie_34959 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wouldn't be possible to build colonies on Venus or Mars in my lifetime, but I'm pretty sure we could change the surface temperatures to begin the process.
Krkasdko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advances in stem cell therapy to cure MS.
Good progress has been made on that front, so I hope it'll become mainstream before my wife would qualify for experimental treatment.
Captain_PrettyCock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:36:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Growing tissue and organs in labs using stem cells in a cost effective manner. I'm a nurse and being able to grow organs would solve so many problems.
They have proof of concept, but we're still not there yet.
nassau4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quite sure that timetravel will be available.
They will visit us :-)
Hotdogosborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-Aging Therapy
Wooh_Hoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
kennenisthebest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalization of cannabis and decriminalization of all drugs.
Also immortality through medicine.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cured
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self aware artificial intelligence
MindToxin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tolerance
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Organ reproduction.
saldb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they ban soflo from FB and Youtube.
BBQ_HaX0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of life outside of Earth. Even if it's just a simple microbe or something. It'd be amazing to know that life is unique to Earth.
AnxiousTester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fuck cancer. Would be cool to see diseases like that make progress in their research and treatments
NoobGaimz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always think about the future where the most things are autonom etc. And i hope that we can evolve to a heathy, clean race with a good system which gives everyone a good chance to be who you are. Peace all over earth for the most. And that we can manage that jump without having a big war. I am. Somewhat scared but also excited.
spam-master ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making Reddit great again
antony1197 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically? Humans landing on Mars for sure. Fantasy? Unlocking the secrets to faster space travel. In more earthly terms I'd probably want cures for most diseases. Cancer, Alzheimers, ect.
ieshido ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Negligible senescence in humans.
There are people working on it, including SENS and Calico.
TheOneWho_Knocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable space travel. Maybe something like "Moon Resort", at I don't know, 1500/2000 euros/dollars. I'd really really like to in space. Ah and world peace curing cancer etc
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
technological singularity
lategame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for several terminal cancers
CJRLW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Single-payer health/dental care in U.S. That's it.
Mythic7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mclaren being a midfield team again......
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI
firesword14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Handheld eye like cameras!
xCosmicChaosx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World communism
zonedbinary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human greed to be subsided.
saltrack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically I want to see a manned mission to Mars. I have the utmost respect for those men who landed on the moon and think they are the most courageous people ever to walk the Earth. I would think the same of whoever goes to Mars.
However I think it would be a grave journey and most likely the crew would never return. It would break my heart to know that those astronauts and their families would never be together again. All for science, exploration, and discovery. It's beautiful and tragic at the same time.
bbakks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a bag of chips without all the broken chips at the bottom.
saloabad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for cancer, ALS, parkinson's, etc
SEND_NUDES1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A boy being born who can swim faster than a shark
baileighann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love it if they found the cause of Autism. I have a little brother diagnosed Autism and have dedicated my life to helping others with Autism. So it would be great to know the straight up cause.
skeeter1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see humans stop doing anything. Everyone just sit somewhere for a while and relax. Do nothing. It would solve 90% of our problems.
Dislexic_Taco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually having a member of congress held accountable for anything they said or voted on.
still_stunned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars base and to find life under the ice on Europa.
Angeleyez1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suspended animation beds. Or more cures for diseases.
bbakks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A spray paint nozzle that doesn't suck.
SchrodingersRapist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
M3INER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Energy producing fusion, that is sustainable. And not that we only got 60% of the energy we put in back and got to run it for 1 second and 22 milli seconds. It would solve pretty much all our energy problems, allow us to fuse new materials and would be a huge advancement for space exploration and colonization.
5ilvrtongue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and harmony among all living things. Well, you asked what I want, you didn't say it had to be realistic.
CombatDeffective ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The liberation of North Korea. Somebody needs to get them dudes some sandwiches.
punkrockscience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MAAAAAAAAAARS.
cappucino_cat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fat transfusion, as in blood transfusion coming from an obese person who's trying hard to lose weight
eatsleepshitstudy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fast global internet for free
cookiepizza54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see that dude posting the frogs get the highest upvoted post in Reddit history.
sharedbacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even better prosthetics and technical aids. Something that can really bridge the gap between human beings and technology. I would love anyone and everyone to be able to walk, see, touch, hear using these instruments just as if were their own body. And it would be a human right to have access to them too.
TheSunniestofBros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic upgrades to body parts. Not an Iron man suit but Jax from Mortal Kombat or a bionic eye.
W1ULH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holograms, especially tactile ones...
MechaDangerous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Friendly contact with an extraterrestrial race.
Zardoz84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars and the Moon
Janusphere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True World Peace.
novaonthespectrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic enhancements. Cyborgs. Prosthetic bodies a la Ghost in the Shell. Machine synthesis. Essentially, the ability to become a machine.
OzamMariah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I only expect a little. Shortsightedness cure, without operations
ocaptian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to own my own home. Including garden, garage/workshop and retire.
uvbeenzaned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cell Phone battery technology change or some sort of leap.
sewmuchwin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeaching our orange president. That would truly be a great human achievement and it would restore my faith in humanity
Santoron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The technological singularity. The invention of an AI that self recursively improves itself, which in short order leads to an explosion in its intelligence and capability. The one invention that can lead to solving any of the discoveries here that haven't already been achieved, if properly aligned with our goals.
I'm old enough that I won't likely be around long enough to see the world that we create with such new capability, but I'd be satisfied just knowing we got there before tearing ourselves apart.
ploydgrimes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting the population under control in a non violent, healthy way.
AAQsR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Think of the possibilities we would unlock, the journeys we could undertake, the things we could do...
Plus immortality means I'll get to see all the human achievements I want
Drunk_ON_JuIcE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact
Godlike Artificial intelligence - this one I'm confident we will have within the next decade or two.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone break the MLB hitting streak.
thegainsfairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of all global slavery. child slavery, forced prostitution, etc. I want it all gone.
heimdal77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A functional US government.
zerozingzing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aquaticas' as a viable option. Either floating or underwater.
Mehmmers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Room temperature super conductors. Or really, anything superconducting warmer than cold as shit
linkcecum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A United flight I'm on departing on time.
Wonderful_Mustachios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The finishing of the Crazy Horse monument in South Dakota. It's been in progress since 1919 (I think). Would be an incredible piece of environmental engineering.
MrPoletski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
quantum computing, anti gravity and the FTL drive.
bg1987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
self driving cars controlling the vehicle market.
I love driving, but I would so much more prefer to have my daily commute or driving to my parents to be automated.
HarryNohara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
27 layer toiletpaper.
SerdarCS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning life into a planet like Earth, full of life covered with plants and water.
BeastMaster0844 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment of a sitting president.
AP246 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not just a Mars landing, but Mars colonisation.
Just knowing there's a growing city on another planet would be amazing.
pickaninnyjenny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Low/no crime in the various ghetto areas in the US.
0bel1sk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solar freakin roadways
whiteghost26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing cancer. I know too many people that have had their life taken early because of it.
Senators86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleport travelling, or at least tube travelling like in Futurama.
Darth_Dingus20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to teleport. I'd even settle just for being able to teleport items, and not people.
shadamedafas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General AI
mikejones72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fundamentalist religion (corresponding hatred, terrorism intolerance) eradicated
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality please
zappini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal twit filter. aka My own personal filter bubble. I'd love to never hear anything about certain people or ideas ever again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure the common cold.
ILoveToEatLobster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars, time travel, intelligent alien life discovery, life expansion and lightsabers.
whatnameainttaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Banning guns in America.
Flatheadax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for the kind of ignorance and hatred that got Trump elected.
carbongreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace but I know it can never happen as long as there are assholes/idiots in this world.
houserm1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real life waifu
cucoblanco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more war
GirlNumber20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a personal robot that makes pie and will walk the dog. And I want a flying car that my robot will pilot.
Ninokun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
realistic sexrobots.
DJ-Jack2Jack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see one day a world without currency and everyone bettering themselves and the world because they want to and not have something out of it
hyptex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:40:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being alive to see the population counter reach 10 Billion
quarpoders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That healthy communication and fairness was possible, instead of war.
BlueberrySpaceMuffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to hear about someone successfully having relations with a coconut.
sycofaery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some kind of affordable nutritional substance that can be adjusted to exactly our nutritional needs and also able to taste however we want. And doesn't hurt our environment.
I just want to act like a fat person and eat as much as I want of something that tastes good but is nutritionally good for me so I'm not actually fat.
robin_capuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
Lextxpdx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfecting virtual reality.
DanMason153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man landing on Mars, and possibly setting up a manned outpost there
HansSoloMALE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure cancer
Curlypeeps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more plastic in landfill.
supra16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Irobot
Goodgardo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd really like Musks hyper-tube deal to not only become a reality but actually succeed. Have a funny feeling that something will happen to prevent it from moving forward.
Tiranous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fair working government in the US that I could be proud of.
ShingekiNoEren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars.
capnza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated luxury gay space communism!
Pedro-Afonso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inmortality.
bottyliscious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like us to develop a fail safe for the entire planet that essentially allows organic life to reboot in the presence of a catastrophic disaster that would otherwise render the planet void of all biomass.
This would include a solution to preserve the entirety of human knowledge to hopefully prevent future humans from making the same mistakes.
Just off the top of my head, I think they should call it: Project Zero Dawn.
dudurossetto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely erradicating capitalism
hotmetalslugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global population control
Red_Light_RCH3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Tinnitus.
SeanSpicerrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:41:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sean Spicer Toy!
Ceruse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How Reddit achieves perfect coconut mastery
Tom5awyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Round trip flights to Mars and back.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want my personal 3d printer to get addicted to hardcore hallucinogenics.
oogityboogity23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The return of Pac.
franticSquirrl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imagine if we were incapable of feeling sexual impulse. Or irrational anger or pride.
Imagine how differently the world would have developed if no one had these primal urges - I mean almost every decision would be based purely on reason and sound logic. Obviously that means no more rape or unplanned pregnancies - but maybe it'll even prevent some wars from ever happening.
I'd love to see the day where we can at least be closer to this way of thinking.
radioactivejackal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on mars.
kecaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new "top dog" MMO, that will rock the gaming world foundation.
WIlliamOD1406 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion energy
prinzklaus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Immortality". If not biological then artificial. But that's an entirely a different debate.
sidhantsv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone to be happy and live a fulfilling life
drfoqui ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A populated and fun multiplayer videogame without a toxic community.
Clipclop1530 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of poverty, hunger and homelessness.
CODESIGN2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleporters or Replicators (SG1 or StarTrek, either will do)
TheRealShazoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A universal connector, one single connector that does everything. Like what USB is supposed to be...
screamingmom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More efficient batteries. It'd be kind of nice not having to worry about charging your phone once a day
Onmius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inventing AI that is better then us in everyway. That way when we eventually destroy ourselves our AI children will continue to leave a mark on the Galaxy
Auchenflower ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable housing and cost of living in Australia.
Calinate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of biological aging.
Kbdiggity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
Donald Trump flung into Mexico by a trebuchet built by the American sons and daughters of immigrants.
Kbdiggity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
Donald Trump flung into Mexico by a trebuchet built by the American sons and daughters of immigrants.
dodobird1422 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be an achievement if we could further research and start taking mental health issues seriously. In addition to that, a proper way to treat them would be nice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster-than-light Travel. Nothing is more important.
phooka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain computer interfacing, a neural lace. I want to be able to Google things while laying awake in bed at night.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:42:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading a human brain to a pc and immortality.
We are remarkably close in terms of the human timeline.
I'll probably die but there is a chance my son might not.
That's a strange feeling.
AsianAssHitlerHair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My personal success
Soupre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Alzheimer's.
Kamikaze_FailureWB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation, then my lazy ass can leave the house on the dot
Strangerdanger8812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mermen.
trex005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete integration with technology where as our organic cells die off we just slowly are more and more machine and potentially immortal.
awad190 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean water for everyone.
clayshanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of war.
CircaTheEnd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see what's actually lurking in the depths of the ocean.
bdzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blizzard releasing a Hearthstone expansion globally at the same time accross all servers
Djl3igh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In Australia...some decent fucking internet speed.
fearmypoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully submersible VR
j_skiddles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Esports becoming more regular in the high school level. I would like to see schools compete with each other in competitivegames just like other schools play each other in sports.
zikronix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to the moon. For real this time
TryingToBeReallyCool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact, followed by the probable destruction of either them or us due to our draw to conflict.
arcesious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact.
Though I suppose you could also call that an 'extraterrestrial' achievement.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People rising above the idea of separate countries divided by borders and separate ethnicities. The whole "one planet, one humankind" astronaut frame of reference makes it far easier to have empathy.
contextproblem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An actual working time viewer would be pretty cool.
RipCityRevival ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first man on the Sun.
da_whataburger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The free income deal so I can sit around, smoke pot and use my "creative skills," to get us in contact with the aliens.
Spoon_Elemental ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a meme so dank it generates an infinite power supply.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power, self-driving infrastructure.
jeshwanth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone should get basic shelter and food. Medical breakthrough in many desease is much needed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people learning the truth about aliens and the government. nothing would unite us more
twerps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Independence from fossil fuels.
Really needs to happen if society is going to last more than another few generations.
richardsuckler69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women flushing public toilets
FeyCGirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game AI thats challenging without having to cheat either directly or through access to information that no human player could possibly have.
Mo9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one has said artificial superintelligence yet? I know it's dangerous af, but it actually might make a lot of the things people are suggesting ITT possible. I'd like to see it happen before I die as it's likely going to happen anyway.
RedrumTheUndead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:43:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering microbes on Mars
SophiaTPetrillo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real lightsaber, and I don't even like Star Wars. I would settle for a working hoverboard.
ScizorSci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But do you like BTF?
SophiaTPetrillo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It fills my heart with The Power of Love
landmonster400 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure ageing
Invisible1guana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting a human colony on another planet, we have to get off earth or we're gonna go extinct.
Cynical_Cyanide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3.
empress_tesla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how this could even happen, but being able to enjoy life and experience all the wonderful things this world offers without having to spend 40+ hours a week from the age of 18 to 65 working just to earn barely enough to pay the mortgage.
redditsanta123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of racism.
WilliamLeroy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the war on drugs
sadop222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bringing dental science and practice at least into the 20th century. The height of dentistry right now is glue pieces of plastic into our teeth until they fall out again. About nothing concerning teeth and dental care is properly researched.
Jelboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greatly diminishing our impact on global warming.
iruneachteam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
Eriwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teletransportation
aplaidbaboon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hotboxing a spaceship would be pretty cool
Leenol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us abolishing money and realising that we have the resources and capability to meet every bodies basic needs (& our wants) without hurting the Planet.
CallMeAladdin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
CloseCannonAFB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see human-safe FTL travel.
kummybears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A ring space station with artificial gravity with at least 100 occupants.
Isord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean biological immortality would be cool.
Panda_Hero01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First man to land on the sun, he better go at night just to be safe!
ifrickhotties ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A three way 69
mus0u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
broken1i ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Game of Thrones.
calculusprime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The global eradication of polio.
The last time we achieved a global disease eradication was smallpox in 1980. Time to do it again.
Heroicshrub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Partial terraforming of mars
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first American President to step foot on another planet. Preferably in the next year or so
Lamb-and-Lamia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A thriving, peaceful, nation state with only just laws. No more social architecture, no more laws based around making things ideal. I want a society of at least mostly honorable people who construct their own norms and morals willingly, not at the end of a gun.
Basically I want to take the original aim of America, and get it done right this time.
oom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A woolly mammoth come back to life. That would blow my mind. Surely we can. I believe.
Lewdiful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advanced True VR (full body immersion)
SpartonDawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more traffic or at least a much more efficient way of driving
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation to any place in the world. You wanna go to Antarctica? Just step into your teleporter, put in a destination, and seconds later you're there.
MasonWyatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality/a cure for aging. Then I'll see every achievement afterwards!
asderxsdxcv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of one piece.
anirudh-suresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A future where AI has reached its potential and the concept of jobs does not exist.
anirudh-suresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes I know itโs very unlikely but one can dream.
arickg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the two party system in the United States of American government.
dankelurk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elon musk starting his 10.000 year old legacy on Mars
Yo_mamas_dildo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace
poststuffnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All cars being fully-autonomous.
dimtothesum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just some world peace. Talk about unrealistic goals.
thedegapi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel is cheap as traveling with a train
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
200M all on Oldschool Runescape
CynicalBagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel
adityashankert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop the nonsense of money
linkscorchio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Utopian State
DaCosmicHoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to welcome our Ai Overlord
GameAddikt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see affordable civilian space travel. I just want to go up there man.
sai777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beat alphago in starcraft.
Sempiternaldreams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to improve and correct vision to better than 20/20! And I don't mean just 20/15
-rigid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mosquito eradication. Cant go outside with bathing in deet.
MetalliMunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High quality virtual reality. I think it would be amazing to be able to choose what sort of existence you want to live in. Why be defaulted to a set environment when you could experience multiple worlds/lifestyles?
vikkivinegar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Alzheimer's. I'm watching my daddy get sicker and sicker and it breaks my heart.
Penderyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony and the planet being powered 100% by renewables.
wurlok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a man on Mars or another planet. Even a return to the moon.
A permanent or semi-permanent colony on either would be amazing.
snuggleoctopus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A government that actually represents the people and not big money interests.
SigmaQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Korean Unification
ghostdate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain in a robot body!
People keep suggesting uploading their consciousness into a robot body, but I doubt that will be possible, unless we make some alterations to the way computers work so that they could simulate our brains. Even then, it seems more likely that our natural brains would die and the uploaded consciousness would just be a duplicate.
Putting the brain directly into the robot body seems like a more viable option. And then we can do things to mitigate the effects of the aging process on the brain.
VincentVega92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, for all of us who actually really enjoy their lives and don't want to die
HumperoLT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering a reliable way / drug to make it easyer to lucid dream, cause now it takes a lot of training and dedication.
Also ability to share your dream, like dream together with someone would be cool.
PredatorSane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An uncorrupt political system
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI
Valimar20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The development of a superior Aritifical Intelligence
Le_Mo_Fo_Jones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porn on the moon
rockelscorcho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for male pattern baldness.
dblizz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mets winning the world series
robnir420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel.
strategosInfinitum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
JIG1017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computing in home PC's affordable to the average bear.
Folioo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive VR
Dan_J-C ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Citizen's full release.
Tidalsky114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Building tunnels in space that lead to some sort of space station that we can use to go to and from other planets.
Example, we fly up to a spacestation, take a train ride to another space station, then fly to mars.
Obviously we wwould have to account for rotation so we could have lots of tunnels or just have a dedicated period that were moving materials/supplies/people onto the planet.
CarlosCQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally giving up on panda's after spending millions just to get two of 'em to bang.
OatsNraisin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of Calradia united under one banner.
FourteenFour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent large population on the moon.
landings on Mars
Fusion
I am 52.
Meta__mel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting our boots off the ground in the Middle East. At least, that was the concept before ISIS.
dilscoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General Artificial Intelligence
1373 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
time travel
NeonPhyzics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
faster than light travel (won't happen - but you asked)
SenpaiKai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing a POTUS being killed. Thanks Trump! /s
Ashley2607 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using the moon as a place to live
QuantumVertex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Superluminal Travel.
Thangleby_Slapdiback ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Single-payer health care in the US.
mooseknucks26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to income disparity, and poverty in general.
LilToms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time Travel.
Both figuring out how to do it and to actually understand everything around it. It's so complex and it's such a huge amount of things around it that is mind-boggling.
nmndwivedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin replacing all of the worlds cash
unusualtomato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure to male patterned baldness.
icer816 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mechanical augmentation similar to Deus Ex Human Revolution (but without any Illuminati backdoor)
try2ImagineInfinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my head I've had a list of things that I want to be done as soon as possible, most of which are to increase the rate of human achievement. I want all people to have had an education where they are treated with respect, and are given the resources to continue building on their interests; with the purpose of obliterating ignorance of necessary topics, producing civil members of society, and giving them the want and opportunity to contribute to society. This education system should continue to improve as new research comes along. Even if we improved education in a first world country, that could increase our ability to improve and provide education elsewhere.
Other things I want:
A better alternative to money โ which is too much of the time taken advantage of, and is extremely unfair. If we will one day cure cancer, then I'm sure we can find a better economic system.
Better government/it properly implemented
Solution to global warming
A better transport system - also comes under global warming. Along with that there is also road injury and what is shown here. Elon Musk is working on this.
A better web. I mostly want something like IPFS with well-designed byte code rather than JavaScript, and another binary format for html and css.
cloud4197 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainability.
I'd like my kids and my kid's kids to have a future.
ChickenWithATopHat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be cool if we could end racism, but those damn black folks keep perpetuating it. /s
whyhellomichael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Healthcare. Greedily for all Americans but for all humans would be very nice.
TheForgottenOne_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The construction of a working warp drive.
WeWuzKangzNShieet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
finding alternative to the petroleum.
Shabaladoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
quantum computers
RidgidPhallus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The collapse of social media
ahmpanji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see aliens or such things that are much more intelligent and beautier to discover us, declare a war on us, and invade this beautiful planet from the hand of this sick species.
But, nevertheless, I wanna see human revive from this suffering and I wanna join the army of nation so I can kick those aliens's ass. Fuck you aliens.
Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel to the future so ill be able to see every future human achievement.
Alternatively, achieving immortality would work as well
Putins_Masseuse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace, the discovery of life elsewhere (bonus points for it being intelligent life), and cures for Cancer
docescape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the space industry emerge as a major part of our economy. Trade with the moon, mining the moon and asteroids for rare earth metals, etc. The money to be made in space will cause the infrastructure to be built that will make it cheap and easy to reach orbit. Then space tourism will really kick off.
mastarem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global unification.
TrackingHappiness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone running an official marathon under 2:00:00. I never expected the Nike challenge to be that close, but it wasn't an officially recognized attempt.
Zydron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyborg technology that replaces organs so humans can potentially live forever.
Jacobarcherr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One year spent with no masturbation post on TIFU
IcedHemp77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personal spaceships. I want a Serenity ;)
fixsparky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could invent a printer that actually worked well that would be incredible!
Fragmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The complete cyberization of a human consciousness.
I don't even know how it could be verified, but I for one welcome our new
robot overlordscyber society.thr0away8675309 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stem cell used.
coolhandhutch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3
Stittastutta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An international living wage.
imacularor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish we can rediscover peace and compassion.
noxgrits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have my jungle come for a gank.
Deadmeat553 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First permanent extraterrestrial colony. Maybe a moon base, maybe a Mars base - idk, but I'm young enough that I expect this will occur within my lifetime.
MAKE_ME_RICH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic income.
Davidjhyatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon colony. I'm going to do this.
Casual_Marksman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of the solar system.
Spartacus_FPV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A digital existence for those who wish not to die, a genetically engineered immortality free of disease/aging for those who would rather not go digital.
Also, GRRM finishing another book would be nice.
GoodUsernameNotFound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True anti-gravity, no magnets.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Killing off all mosquitos and ticks. That would be the greatest achievement of all.
Xythus007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a manned mission to the moon (again, but this time at least we will have much more sophisicated tech)
a space station on the moon (like the ISS but on the moon)
those would be pretty awesome
Chernabog93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the political left and right to stop hating on each other, come together, and do some actual good for America.... I know it'll never happen, but a man can dream.
Also, the scourge which calls itself Islam wiped from the face of the Earth
Entity17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disposing ALL nuclear weapons by all countries.
I accept it's human nature to fight and disagree but let's not destroy the world because of it.
TheAardvarker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is doing this wrong. Reversing aging and gaining immortality would let you see all this other shit too. People on here are noobs and would 100% fuck up their three wishes with a genie and end up only with a burger and fries. Not even a drink to go along with it, just the burger and fries.
throwawayaway123462 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
80% world population amicable coexistence. I'm taking about zero hostility between nationalities and race.
byzantiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
-0-7-0- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly, I'd like to see either:
See more regulations put on childbirth, to prevent chronic illnesses and lives of pain or medical dependence
CRISPR tech, or other technology, being able to genetically modify people to eliminate chronic illness entirely.
I'd rather have 2, but either way, chronic illnesses are a bitch, and I wouldn't wish them on anyone.
fenceloverfence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
there is no way to implement 1 because you can't :ban sex, force abortion and punishing parents after the fact worsens the child's life even further
FelixTRX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A day where no one dies by the actions of another.
matthewbuza_com ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want a mining ship, access to a galactic trade depot, extended life, and time with my family to explore.
SheerDumbLuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Expandable memory for your brain. While you're at it, an internet-like link to connect directly with people's brains would be super sweet.
TriforceOfBacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures for cancer and Alzheimer's. I've lost family to one, and in the not-too-distant future, I'll likely lose a family member to the other.
booshmeister169 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Cubs winning the Word Series was mine.
DeltaFrame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure cancer, aids and every shit disease there is.
sunglasses_of_wiseau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tolerance of other people regardless of race, religion, etc.
mafeehan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are very close, but I would like to never have to treat a total joint replacement ever again--stem cell therapy would grow cartilage back and I would, as a PT, never have to see a patient (or myself!) butchered with a knee, hip, shoulder or any other joint needing replacement
Endy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel
jawsofthearmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
turn myself into a pickle
all honesty.. maybe people having an open mind to different things... and I don't mean insane right or left but thinking "why does them being married matter to me" Just my thought.
IM PICKLE RICKK
hootix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Water being a human right. Meaning that nobody has to pay for water which is the essence of life.
carbon1876 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse aging
27savage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
robot hookers
Lunchyyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Galactic conquest.
RodneyRodnesson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
SloanTheSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The decriminalization of all drugs
Roadrunner101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A working Holodeck that I can install in my home.
koinaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making sure noone goes to bed hungry.
changminlv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:49:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Americans get free health care.
SowerPlave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace in the Middle East
goshgash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
_This_Is_Stupid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, because if it happens after I die, that would really suck.
babaroga73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know what would really suck? Immortality discovered, but you can't afford it.
_This_Is_Stupid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd take out a loan. I mean, I'll have enough time to pay it off.
aposstate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The End of Religion (and the embrace of humanity/reality)
RMJ1984 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity getting rid of money. That's literally causing 99% of our problems.
niks5185 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The establishment of Communism worldwide.
mrsegraves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human brain- AI integration. I see it as the next time step of evolution in which we virtually eradicate mental illness by using AI to fill in/ correct abnormal brain activity. That plus CRISPR will give rise to a new species of human
genghisruled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Benevolent AI governments that uses aggregate happiness as a predominant measure of GDP.
stonepaperscissor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend deciding what to wear to the party tonight.
Myphoneaccount9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to mechanically take carbon out of the air
ScizorSci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Double jumping.
DanceWithTheDevil_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A space exploration game that is as good as No Man's Sky promised to be. No more bamboozles please.
mikehill33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing cancer. As a futurist i firmly believe this will happen.
charlesgegethor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone not being assholes to one other would be the best thing I can think of IMO.
Kuriek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see somebody from early 2000 live 1000 years... I am from 90s ๐
lucariomaster2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a digital bill of rights passed.
Lieutenant029 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income
Derklez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All cars being completely autonomous and interconnected . If cars could communicate with other cars near them, traffic would be almost eliminated, deaths on roadways would be nearly 0, drunk driving wouldn't be a threat, etc.
sashebalchev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to witness the day when man-driven vehicles are forbidden on public roads/paths.
RicktatorshipRulez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably won't ever happen, but being able to travel long distances in space in a shorter amount of time via an alternate fuel source for traveling; I.e. Light speed or something akin to it.
redggit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
The_Craw_Daddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal/decriminalized marijuana in the USA.
jcathcart6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyper loop
JobDestroyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us abolish coercion and live in a peaceful and voluntary society.
Nspir3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us to find either Bigfoot or aliens if it's not too much to ask then maybe both
tuxt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Battery tech breakthrough
Fully self-driving car
Riemann hypothesis solved
Quantum Theory and Theory of Relativity Unified
Continuum hypothesis solved
Nuclear fusion power tech
Edit: If only one can be true, that would be #3.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of extra terrestrial intelligence
EragonBromson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Democratic socialism or full on communism.
And hl3
Dirtyboy80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
AFK42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Downloading your brain into a computer.
ayannauriel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New films and tv shows that are not sequels or remakes.
DanishWonder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cured.
SAMElawrence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see non-religious meditation and silence given more respect than religious group noise.
notuniqueusername1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing the galaxy
lucifurbear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1st martian colony
SpectreBlasT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
peacetime without armed conflict. united humanity would be nice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with Alien life.
seabutcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life. And, well, then hopefully I could see all the other stuff too.
pinchofmasala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel.
Jameloaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality so i can be a space bastard thousands of years from now.
bigboy351 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-life 3
babaroga73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
By far the least probable to be achieved, of all things wished here.
NovoJunkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for type 1 diabetis so my daughter doesn't have to live the life I've had with the illness.
TerrorTactical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ghosts confirmed as real
Treetrunksss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Countries going to war to preserve the rain forests and natural habitats of animals to preserve life
LessThan301 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lifespan extension by 50% or more. That includes significant reduction in diseases.
If not that, then a switch to 100% renewable energy and a solution to world hunger problems.
SCCock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human on Mars. I'm 57 so they better get on it!
babaroga73 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:55:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligent life on Mars? We have to establish one on Earth first!
nowaynorway1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans reverse global warming. Or at least actually slow it the fuck down.
notyourdadsdad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of an elite class and the development of a legitimate society
nicoleelicon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Factory Farming.
KenMicMarKey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuckable coconuts
Emaharg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understood that reference!
charredsmurf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable virtual reality gaming for all, i.e. the sleeping knights in Sword Art Online. Especially if we could tap into the remaining cycle and make time go at a different rate (like when you dream).
BigglyBillBrasky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
YEEZY-SZN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear disarmament
hey-its-the-d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub-2 hour marathon
AvantAveGarde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Season three of Spice and Wolf
Hockeygod55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering how consciousness is possible
BushDidSixtyNine11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:51:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing that space porno would be neat
rx-7wrxsti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
McDonald's finally have their ice cream machine working
losek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see humans acheive creating a real artificial intellingece. Creating things with feelings and opinions would make humans sort of gods.
Empty_Cake_Shop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when we at last learn from our mistakes
rivox1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to Mars.
I wasn't alive yet when we set foot on the moon, but I know that this immense achievement united most of mankind and inspired an entire generation of scientists... In a way, I, and my career, are a product of this awesome achievement.
Space... the final frontier!
F0nzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive VR
diesel_ceramic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a person visiting Mars
atp123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Car/laptop/phone batteries that are like 10xbetter. Hope it's possible.
Drawing_Flies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to make it to the Singularity or at least to the point where the computer/brain interface is trustworthy enough. I want my brain dumped so I can live forever!
FozzieDaKar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Responsible, effective, mutually respectful government that serves the interests of the people and the planet instead of serving their own and big money interests.
blme7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable cruelty-free meat
Sekolah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure dying of old age :)
danielnotradcliffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism.
SGS3Fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure cancer
bandopando ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For everyone to agree to be 50% less of an asshole. I would have said 25% but I guess we are dreaming big in this thread.
pornLife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sex robots - can't wait for the party in my retirement home!
Anopanda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Driverless cars
icook8662 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization on mars
DeadBlad3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone turning themself into a pickle.
RyanStantonBaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to have an alien girlfriend
Sythgara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as I'd like to witness all the amazing progress in space, I'd like for all the terror attacks to end and have all that mess sorted first. Included in that seeing all those war torn countries flourish again.
TrenchJM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see America being great again.
avsfan68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You order correctly filled at a fast food joint.
xToothii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lucio's the floor is lava achievement.
Is it even possible??
daddy4adaughter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. In a word
Fillhakika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To reach deep space and settle down.
TheAdoraAlles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know how in old musicals there is sometimes an line up of dancers, they all kick a leg up and the camera dollies under?
I want to see that, but really buff guys ejaculating .
zombeezx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The deconstruction of the church of scientology. I want to know what those bastards are up to.
jbonno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To see a woman run under 10 seconds in the 100m
d0ubleR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing.
plentyoffishes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the crazy notion that some humans should own and rule over other humans.
Floppy_Trombone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When we solve intelligence and have true general AI
ScrumHardorGoHome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing all known diseases, infections and harmful pathogens.
Will_Ryan_Post ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Edit: obviously
mikel5047 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the conclusion of the Civil Meme War of 2017
maxvsthegames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars.
WarLordM123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A singularity effect in life extension science. Bit of a cheat option considering the wording of the question, but within my "natural" lifespan, I'd like to see technologies developed that can prevent me from dying at the end. I like being alive. Death is so terribly final, while life is full of possibilities.
UglyMcGeorge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
GiddyUp18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pirates win the World Series
zootskippedagroove6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After the last few months of living next to some obnoxiously loud construction that's been waking me up at 7:30 every morning 6 days a week, I wanna see some genius put a fucking muffler on whatever hell-spawned machines these bastards use.
jokersleuth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable fusion reaction.
Galaxypigz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A. I
MrGlayden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:53:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, then everything else that follows
Indigoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to draw animations. Maybe one that's memorable. That's the only human achievement I'm looking forward to.
Fruitloop800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I AM A HUMAN AND A HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT I WANT TO SEE IS FOR PEOPLE TO STOP CALLING OTHER HUMANS LIKE ME ROBOTS. WE ARE TOTALLY NOT ROBOTS BECAUSE WE ARE HUMAN.
HentMas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EVERY ACHIEVEMENT IS RECORDED AND LABELED FOR POSTERITY DING
_THEJEWSDID911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A super intelligent, sentient, free thinking artificial intelligence.
ColonelSwifty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For space travel to before more economical, like flying on a plane. I cannot express how much I would love to see the Earth from orbit!
clientnotfound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That I've done anything at all.
ontocommunism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
RadyoP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity, or at least pool on moon https://what-if.xkcd.com/124/
Beleg_Weakbow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real moon landing /s
JohnGalt3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To see someone run the 100 meter sprint another 0.05 seconds faster. I dream big..
BadMrMister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:54:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity
Tony_Germ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hologram communication/t.v.s, people on Mars, cerebral implants i.e. phones, computers, all round general technology directly fed to the brain.
nightsidesamurai1022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality for the masses.
darthmule ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Edible pot noodles.
Hypnoticah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Matrix levels of immersion in VR
goblett ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to North Korea
spreadjoy34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer
miezmiezmiez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace. As in, for literally no one to ever start a war again.
DennisNedry_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be able to go to and/or live on other planets.
_DigBickMcGee_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% Virtual Reality (like in the movies or anime) and CRISPR DNA modifying available for everyone.
Bonus points for bar/hotel that flies around earth like ISS.
Freddit- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The typical stuff. Manned mission landing on Mars. Accelerating a spaceship to 30%+ the speed of light towards Alpha Centauri and seeing pictures sent back. 100% renewable energy utilization. (the tech is already there. There's merely arbitrary obstacles in the way.) 100% autonomous free-range transportation. Crispr and other technology allowing the alteration of DNA to beat cancer, reduce or eliminate aging both in newly born and already existing people, allowing us to focus on comparatively much more difficult health issues like Alzheimer's/dementia.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evolution of crisper technology and elimination of HIV, Cancer and Malaria
wondersnickers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something like Stemcell technology available to everyone, to help with deseases like altzheimer, parkinson, etc. up to sports injuries. etc. I think this is probably the future.
If you, for example, want to try to fix a knee problem today with Stem-Cell Banking, you got to fly to the USA and pay ~4000$-9000 $ for it.
baybot10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new, cost effective type of battery that can hold more power.
killercylon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sending people to Mars or Venus would be awesome and possible now.
Finding microbes on another planet would be fantastic.
Sending bacteria to another planet (on purpose) would cool, with the intent of terraforming would be an added bonus.
Conquering gene therapy for medical use.
Further improvements in energy technologies (without lobbyists obstructing the energy sector).
Ouroboros9076 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The annihilation of human kind
GrnApricorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
blackpigeo23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
easy, immortality!
_THEJEWSDID911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computers being a common household thing somewhere in the near-ish future.
TheArchitect05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel or even humanity becoming a space faring civilization.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bring back the mammoth.
Raverkidloki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace or at least world de denuclearization
theoverthinker22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars.
Monkey_Sadness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is going to be buried, but I think we're going to be capable of either A: Making humans immortal, or B: It becoming popular to have your brain frozen when you die in the hopes that they can bring you back when technology is capable. Neither will happen if the world doesn't get its shit together and work towards it, though.
Large-scale space travel is impractical because humans don't live long enough to travel through space. Hopefully immortality will be what makes humans look outward.
yarrostick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A viable brain-integrated AI, where actions like sharing files, parsing data, and making conclusions would just require a thought.
nobody2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The elimination of the need to permanently amputate.
I would like to see us figure out more ways to save damaged limbs, or to flat-out regrow them. I would love it if people 100 years from now could look back in disgust at how some people had to unfortunately lose a limb because of a condition or accident.
CrimsonMoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobots that can make ceramic & metal combined meshes. Or Nanobots that can build with carbon nano tubes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them.
sharkguy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to close youtube and still listen to music..
alc0 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:58:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I got YouTube red for that.
boognish83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity
Shamasta441 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificially induced wisdom
samcoo96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
solve what happened to Madeline Mccann
davej999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe in 10 years she will have grown up under a different name and be investigating hero own case and not even know it
dcro1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cracking the genetic code to the point we can reverse aging and eradicate disease...and er, cure male pattern baldness - mostly this!
dasignint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meeting everyone's basic needs.
Devillew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deep space travel
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fidget spinners becoming actual tools of war in WWIII. Please, either by its cancerous nature or by its stunning spin speed, make it a potent weapon.
PA_Irredentist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last person to die
redacted_pterodactyl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Apocalypse/ post apocalyptic earth. Life would be so much simpler. Do you have food and shelter, cool then your in the top one percent. You'd have less to worry about, and therefore less to bitch about. Obviously there's still be some people that complained, but they wouldn't last long.
davej999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
haaaaaaaaaaa
alastairreed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liberation of North Korea
Deliciouserest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2 genders
guyincognito777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully formed, 1 to 1, halodeck.
franklylivinglife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of war.
mugennnnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Psychedelic drugs legalized (cant find shrooms anywhere help )
Skidmark666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
HTML5gordon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:56:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity!
anonymau5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AIDS or Cancer
diresticly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
singularity
knauziuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making humans either immortal or at least let us keep our mind in the cloud or something....
PhilosopherJack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The liberation of the North Korean citizens
FatBigMike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All mosquitos eradicated
Untzbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technological singularity. Period.
Thomasdbbrobins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eating 3 saltine crackers in a minute
aproxymate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want machine learning to be so powerful that a robot can read my most inner thoughts and provide solutions to all my problems.
HyoShinEffect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is hopelessly optimistic, but an incorporation of nature and technology such that our energy requirements are met, but we are able to inhabit places like from (r/EarthPorn) without marring their beauty, and ways to travel the world in hours. Like, want to go to college abroad? Okay, have a two hour commute and go have dinner with your parents whenever you can manage. Friend on the internet? Is he/she depressed? Get a ticket, see them before the day ends. Get cuisine from it's actual country of origin.
keepingitunder88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I could just do one damn pull up in my lifetime, that would be great.
jordanlund ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Return to the moon.
LOTTE_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intergalactic communication and fast space travel, probably won't happen
SeeRight_Mills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TheGhostOfHanni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MARS, BABY.
AquaSpare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3
PoliteMikeTyson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rick get his seschwan sauce even if it takes 9 more seasons
GrammerCU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colony on Mars
aUniqueUsernameHmm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
p = np ?
gizmolo3336 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jet packs
guyincognito777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure (or advanced treatment) for people with severe autism.
BDar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see humans realize the only thing that holds us back is being divided. If we could only act as one, we could achieve world peace and put an end to poverty.
ManoftheKin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For us to mine resources from Asteroids. The possibilities are endless.
Xodarkcloud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sustainability on earth... a balance where we stop taxing the generation of tomorrow for the decisions of today.
Other than that, I would love to see a lot of progress in health science where we can comfortably increase and improve lifespan. Rejuvenation of organs and muscles etc etc. I'm not expecting immortality but if the average lifespan were to reach 100 I think that would be interesting.
JestingInfinitely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The longest reddit gold chain of all time
CaptainChrizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy for everything.
Man on Mars.
positively_mundane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolishment of clamshell packaging. The shit is a menace.
CamillaAbernathy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of capitalism
Nelsaroni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An almost utopian world peace. No conflicts, just outstanding support system for all humans, finally.
redrumakm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The profitable mining of resources in space. Construction and fabrication done in space. Just expanding ourselves, getting off this rock so the crazies and the assholes don't end us.
sabre35bsb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see lots of posts about colonizing mars. Earth isn't over yet. Let's spend the billions or trillions of dollars that would go to building a base on mars on things that will make earth better.
I personally would like to see people take responsibility for things and not finding someone else to blame for it and to make smart decisions that won't screw the future over( cough cough US political parties).
KWiP1123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of the wage system would be pretty neat. I would even settle for just a universal basic income. I literally can't imagine how great it'd be to live in a world where no one ever needs to work a shitty job just to make ends meet.
Where you can wake up every day and just work on the things you're passionate about, instead of spending all your time and energy on the job you need to do to stay afloat.
It remains to be seen if this is even a viable thing though. I mean, is it even possible for anyone to be self-motivated, even if it's only toward the things that they truly want? Or is it fighting human nature to care about anything when all your basic needs are met by default? I think it'd be an interesting future to see, at the very least.
jgmboricua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace
BarackNoDrama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human teleportation will be a thing.
the_planes_walker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars. We have to (should) be a multi-planetary species at some point. I don't have much hope in actual settlements, but to get a person on a different planet, out of the gravitational orbit of Earth. Man, that would be amazing.
Also, seeing a fusion reactor in actual practical use would be awesome as well.
T_H_F_S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have Crohn' s, so it'd be pretty neat if someone could cure that.
MR_SHITLORD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real anthros and immortality. Eternal orgies sound amazing right now
AlrightyAlmighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
reddbarronham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone's gotta drop the bomb again
LeMagican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer i have had many family members and friends family members that have died from cancer and it is so dumb
Jimi-Thang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Send a space probe to another star and get back visuals of that star system.
santumerino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tele๐ ฟ๏ธortation
KingreX32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonies on Luna, Mars and possibly other Jovan moons. Mining the asteroid belt would be great too.
thestationarybandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vegan world
babaroga73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renaming the 2nd world war - to 'last world war'.
TheMythof_Feminism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blade Runner style sex bot companions.
Or as we weeb-lords like to call it; Chobits in reality.
sandyravage7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting an actual handle on carbon emissions worldwide.
camelcase6717 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put a man on the moon
kidshitstuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical science increasing our lifespans indefinitely.
ArcticBlueCZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A stable colony on different planet.
Sooooooooooooomebody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialist revolution in US.
SKyox44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extending our lifespans, or all east avoiding getting physically old, not joking. I want to see a successful safe way to keep us from physically ageing. That makes terrifying things to the human body.
PrisonIsBoring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Irradiation of religion.
RandomProductSKU1029 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having foldable screens for all our devices is cool as heck, but I've always wanted to see a North Korea that's free.
Kungfufuman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to prevent arthritis, and restore cartilage decay. On the younger side of 20 and it fucking sucks to have these.
B_man_5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully autonomous personal transportation
Electric_5heep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advancements in genetics. I want to be able to genetically modify myself to have faster reflexes, better eyesight, hearing, and healing abilities.
With tech going the way it is, I can see AI taking over the vast majority of our lives, which would be great and all, but if it gets out of control we're fucked. Shouldn't we invest in our biological research to better what we have in the case that we need to fight for our lives?
Dr_Potatohead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
Sooner rather than later. Please guys?
Pockets713 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I find it absurd how far I had to scroll down before I found a comment that was somewhere along the lines of finding a time where we're not all figuring out how to blow each other up... fuck sakes! Can we please just fucking get along!?
CosmonautJunkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to come together as a species, putting aside our petty differences and realizing we're all the same.
StoopidN00b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A great movie or tv adaptation of The Dark Tower series.
layout420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolish religion.
geek_fest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding intelligent life on another planet.
tyvokken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub-2 marathon
Not_Draven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robotic prosthetics.
Jeditard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:59:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars. Faster than light travel.
winn123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People learning to merge on highways would be neat.
catsandicecream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated luxury gay space communism
1991shaan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for urine incontinence...I guess there's no proper medicine for that...
hiimcass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A huge jump in intellect, commen decency, and environmental consciousness...
haaam_girl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How to stop the net increase of material resources
Sir_rahsnikwad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal abandonment of religion. I can dream, can't I?
amos_wheeler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Racism. We are all in this together. We are all beautiful.
wibbitywobbitywoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing brain cancer would be great. It's a race lol
daaave33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense replacing money governing our society.
Tnevels ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More comprehensive, reasonable and rational logic being taught at an earlier age. Critical thinking and deductive reasoning taught in public schools.
Oh. Here's a crazy one. A huge reduction in the indulgence in social media and smart phones. Or.. you could frame it as: A point where society, collectively realizes that, sometimes it's in humanity's best interest to roll back the clock a bit, and not simply indulge in the newest technology and trends.
Since technology tends to be a little addictive and gradually erodes at out our self reliance. We all know it, we just give in to it. At this point, it could be a serious hinderance to our evolution as a species, if we stop and think about it. Its probably way more important than getting to mars. I know it's felt like that to many generations before me as well.
"I used to walk 10 miles in the snow just to get to school. Now you kids have a warm bus to ride!"
kdebones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not start World War 3. This may sound like a joke, but every day I feel a nagging terror that it'll happen sooner then we think.
Wikdbilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M A R S
Griffdude13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just more cures for various things like cancer, STDs, the common cold.
And if we could find a way to legally monetize the sale and distribution of certain low-potent/low-harm drugs, that'd be great for the economy.
Also, left and right winged people fighting all the time. When are you gonna learn that you gotta have both wings if you wanna fly?
StoffyLicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing the human race uniting under a single flag that represents Earth and all of us living on this tiny dot in the universe. That would be a pretty remarkable achievement.
JburnaDNM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof of intelligence life on another planet.
quaestor44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally ending collectivism as a legitimate worldview.
TheGhostOfHanni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I remember when I was in third grade, we had a supply teacher who was an older woman. And she was telling us how when she was a kid, people would say that a man will go to the moon one day, and she thought that was insane. And then she swore to us that people will live on the moon in our lifetime, and we were all like 'no freaking way'. Now 12 years later, I'm starting to believe it. I hope we do!
The_Mdk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
Pain3128 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think Full Dive Virtual Reality would be a pretty fun thing to experience.
Unlike current VR which is more or less just a pair of fancy glasses with monitors instead of lens.
inzane86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was going to say sex robots, but really I would like to see all forms of blindness cured.
Elwath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open science becoming the standard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
indefinite life extension. Either through uploading consciousness to a computer or through medical means.
NippPop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:00:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SEX IN SPACE
Bowaustin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A working brain computer interface, as in matrix like would be my priority number one, priority two would be cheap highly customizable genetic engineering so that everyone is free to feel like they are the person they want to be be that through in proved fitness and health or way over the top cosmetic treatments (for example I know some people in the furry fandom who would be very happy if they could engineer themselves into being an anthro), and my third priority would be interstellar travel or atleast a colony on another planet to help the human race survive should something catastrophic happen on earth.
ProbablyHighAsShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two-state solution resolves the Israel/Palestine conflict.
jcassady3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to live long enough to finally see Trumps tax returns
csilvmatecc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much everything you see in sci-fi movies.
Mythologicalcats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reality tv shows disappearing forever
remigiop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it sounds kinda silly as it has been done, but I want a damn video and pictures of a trip to the moon, landing, and back. I don't really consider myself a doubter but I want a high quality video of the trip so everyone can just shut up and rid us of at least, optimistically, half of the flat earth believers.
I want to see a video of the astronaut walking around on the moon, with a pickaxe in hand just getting into whatever he/she can. Explore possible caves, if there are any we can even see from here on earth. Is there any attempts in exploring the moon at all or is all hope just in Mars.
jessekeith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quadruple penetration.
ninja_possum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Society moving on from neoliberalism
harssk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual images of planets orbiting Alpha Centauri
nigerianprinc3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to Mars, and returned safe.
Vaulimere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Congress working together to actually benefit the nation as a whole, instead of for themselves and their special interests, or in an effort to 'stick it to' the other party.
It won't happen, but I can dream.
MosaicDream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Designer mutant babies. Hello, X-Men!
EnzoGorlami42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The development of a microwave that evenly heats food.
jorddie23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace love and positivity
ichegoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of these 3 things:
Permanent base on moon/mars/other celestial body.
Mankind landing on another planet or moon of Jupiter/Saturn
Discover of life on another world, living preferably, but fossils of ancient life will work.
Kind_Of_A_Dick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bioluminescent people.
wallyslambanger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:01:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ABSOLUTE DESTRUCTION....of language barriers. It won't bring world peace but at least everyone can understand each other when we argue over everything.
Edit: second sentence.
ViviCetus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Agree. If we could start teaching one common, constructed language (as well as logic) in schools all over the planet, much of the irrational fear between us would fade in a few generations.
Dementat_Deus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine for autism.
MutantMeerkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What happens after death
Stoffel_1982 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For mankind to survive in a peaceful manner without exhausting all Earth's resources.
m_user_name ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see humans taught to think instead of just entering numbers into a computer. I would like to see people put more thought into everything they use and everything they do. I want to see more people become self-aware instead of self-important.
Sadly, most of this has already been accomplished and is now being lost.
ejkpgmr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fruit stripe gum that never loses its flavor
Jotabonito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those tubes from Futurama.
jager1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is really crazy about this thread is......so many of these wishes are actually very plausible....
Except Micheal Phelps racing a shark, idk how that would go down.
rftaylor26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For humans to stop killing each other
mnby82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seeing Comcast/TimeWarner go under or become reliable, trustworthy and helpful ISP's.
llamaswillbemine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MOONBASE, I want a moonbase.
username1338 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
spyke1986 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHY IS NOBODY SAYING FLYING CARS
GhostBrick75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already have seen it. The 2016 election was perhaps the greatest upset in this country's history to ever happen.
iPoodtouch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Buying a ticket to other planets. Like reasonable pricing.
d1rtdevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Infinite regeneration of cells (without the oxydation), eternal life.
SanityRulez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing big. Just a diplomatic mechanism where war is replaced by dialogue. Yes, some economies with be hit badly, but millions of lives will be saved.
Jbantaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Penis enlargement that's as successful as modern breast implants.
MCsnufflez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Max in oldschool runescape
MaximumFreshness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Digitizing human consciousness. We won't die, we will just be uploaded into a digital universe that goes on infinitely.
zaqq1981 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kim Yong Un with an "IT'S PRANK BRO" vid on YouTube.
aldege ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holodeck!
SpaghettiTrombone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An update to Reddit.
Invokationz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
comms with aliens.
Kaneda777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality via mind uploading into an artificial body, kind of like creating a back up of your mind.
drphaust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The technological singularity. I want to see what a superintelligent machine would do shortly after surpassing human capacity.
dalnorflying ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clear, static free voice phone calls from cell phones.
Welcome to the 21st century.
Valkonn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First colony on Mars, first net-positive fusion reactor, cure for blindness via artificial eye or eye transplant, cure for Alzheimers, dementia and other age-related diseases, and the de-armament of nuclear weapons.
TheJoker1432 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course everything fighting global warming is welcome but I would just really love to see insane PC component performance for a cheap price ^
Oh and serious steps to fight obesity
PLEASEHIREZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of environmental damage and waste of drinking water, or a solution to the potable water problem. I want to have kids, but I don't want them dealing with a water crisis.
FrozenFlame_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably hardlight technology. Basically holograms that have actual volume and mass.
hahman12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Designer babies. The designer baby thing is a bit eugenics-y and has crazy potential to be used dangerously, but it could also be a crazy step for humanity when it comes to disease and leaps in human evolution.
sturmeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working via surrogates.
I don't see us living via surrogates in my lifetime, to the extent where you never leave your home, but it will be possibility.
I want to be able to live in Rural Australia and work in New York, as if I'm there. Kind of like those silly VC bots they currently have, but amazing robot versions.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for fat people.
UnarmedWarWolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to upload consciousness onto a computer. Hopefully in the future we'll be able to upload it onto an android.
FlyingTortoise_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of another planet, that's a little much to ask though, I'll accept a thorough exploration of another planet. It'd be neat to see space travel become easier in general.
INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars.
kiraella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a warp speed capable space ship built.
Eziekel13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If there are no constraints...
A government providing electricity, water, food, sewage, shelter, clothing, education, transportation and internet, to all its citizens.
AS7RONAUT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 9 100m, or even a new world record. The current one is absolutely ridiculous, will not be touched for years to come.
acopollo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
im just tryna hook up with some hot aliens
Esoteric_Erric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knee cartilage transplant and / or regeneration so that chronically debilitated knees can be brought back to 100%. A procedure that replaces worn cartilage with a synthetic or organic material that allows full use of the joint as if it were 'normal'.
phoenix_shm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10x decrease in political corruption or 10x increase in political transparency
avonjag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human teleportation. Make traveling a hell of a lot easier
Argentspear567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First man on Mars.
SciMonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A coconut that keeps in the fridge properly for more than a couple of days
TheFeshy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging. Then we've got more time for some of these other achievements.
Cpt_Tsundere_Sharks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True Matrix-esque virtual reality.
And I don't want it for the same reasons all those other nerds want it so they can play some stupid anime game.
I want it to play Dungeons and Dragons.
Pheonixi3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i won't but i'd really like to be there when "art" is fully discovered. when the last new thing is done.
anotherandomer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of A.I. is something I want to see. I'm of the opinion if A.I. is created that it wouldn't wipe us all out, it would want to learn and discover what it didn't know, not kill humanity.
Czoppy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End Of The World
Yougotafriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new hybrid government, where the people help each other. There are still rich and poor, but no one is starving nor destitute.
D_Woke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interplanetary or Interstellar travel. And able to sustain a civilization on another planet.
SmarmyPapsmears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biomechanical immortality
OlieTom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to the "ism"s that divide us.
motodextros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us to create a chip that doesn't break under the pressure of a good portion of guacamole.
con3131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalisation of Euthanasia. We have a human right to live our own life but not to end it, no matter what the circumstance. The only reason why is that people are too nervous to even have the discussion.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 20 so I think Mars should be accomplished
Roamer21XX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ftl travel
Yggdrasil101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for schizophrenia
Wolfblade1215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widely available and fast space travel.
supperfield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End world hunger but also reverse climate change. Though these are closely related. I guess my only next hope would be to then to make sure that solving one doesn't help advance the other.
Rocketraani101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on the moon..
OhMyGodItsJackieChan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see how fast man can truly run with the aid of performance enhancing drugs. I want to see Usain Bolt on whatever PEDs he can get his hands on and get closer to five seconds than 10. I want to see just what can be achieved with no rules in place.
dontbespeciesist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabilization (and dare I say, reduction) of atmospheric CO2.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone wrote a book about how shitty my place of employment is... so I'd like to see them go out of business too.
MingusDewfus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People stop driving slow in the left lane. That would be amazing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us stop being horrible to each other.
TCanada808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People here are asking for world peace and I'd be content with a new NCAA Football game
effervescenthoopla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:05:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully mapped 3D rendering of the Earth's core, even underwater. We've explored so little of our own planet, and Mars is super boring. There are no dogs on Mars. Let's figure Earth all the way out while we explore space.
StashYourCashews ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to greatly increase the human lifespan
2nutz4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
achieve or surpass speed of light.
Kevman403 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This would be a major feat to be sure. Our current understanding is that if an object has mass, it can come close but never attain the speed of light.
2nutz4u ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep,that why i want it to happen soon if feasible in our lifetime
Raudskeggr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, duh
chowder138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think some sort of colony on another planet or moon is at least plausible. Even if it's just a temporary base.
EngineerStew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regular interplanetary travel, achieve that and colonization of planets in our system become viable.
Dedjester0269 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The replicator a la Star Trek.
killmooves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the deep sea to be explored. I think only 5% of our ocean has been explored so far.
bitzombie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reversing man-made climate change... To do it would require cooperation in a global scale that has never been seen before. Who knows, maybe that would have a positive outcome for other scenarios too.
StarkSeahawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carbon neutrality. At least in the net emissions department.
unbannabledan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on here is talking about curing diseases and shit but I just want to see an NFL team go undefeated.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see:
icywaffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I'm currently on the toilet, a way for me to eat Hot Cheetos without liquid fire burning through my backend.
Gmanfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally autonomous transportation. Tens of thousands of people die in traffic related accidents every fucking year in the US alone. To see that number drop to next to nothing, as well as eliminating the stress of driving, increasing efficiency and decreasing total time on the road, is my one dream for humanity.
I have hope that we can achieve this.
WestenKW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of the possibility of death due to hunger and death due to lack of treatment.
It'd be pretty cool to know that you won't die just because you're out of food or just because you didn't get the treatment for whatever reason.
provolone12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human colonization of Titan. That moon has had me interested since i first heard about it years ago.
sahsimon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the world unite as one with no anger or racism and have the entire planet working together towards things.
I also would like to see some type of political or civil rights leader that doesnt turn out to be a PoS and actually cares about people over everything else.
Criticalfriend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unfortunately both of those scenarios are currently and forever non-existent... would be cool though,,
lo2fly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Equality.
623Milo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing on Mars!
Avrupa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to watch a Mars landing how my dad watched the moon landing
JCoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof of the Riemann Hypothesis.
LaChiquita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic income for all, or at least most of the people in the world.
NolanOnTheRiver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first 2 humans to smoke a tubby bleezy on the moon.
Failure_To_Care ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would consider it an achievement If we manage to keep the many big cat species alive (tigers, lions, cheetahs). I really hope we do.
CheatedOnOnce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America failing as a superpower - they're too damn rich and a huge cause of the world so problems
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Subway bringing back the $5 foot long
Fakesters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sorta "commit suicide" pill, an illegal drug that kills you without having to feel pain, it makes for a good last meal too.
HLtheWilkinson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars and a colony on the moon.
GoPer_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial General Intelligence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unification of Korea.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator
jdbtxyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:07:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
VulpesCryptae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see someone on the internet spell "disgusting" correctly.
YourPalShane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop being such a picky eater. I'm really really picky.
JacksLackOfSuprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The completion of the Game of Thrones books.
whatktdid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to factory farming.
Jkbdm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone fuck a Martian
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not kill and exploit so much
HunterSGonzo1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see steroids get legalized so I can watch Usain Bolt outrace a jaguar. If he fails we also get to watch a man outfight a jaguar.
ReallyNotRickSanchez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd watch the fuck out of that.
Gadaeus1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Duh...
TerpsPwn_387 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space drill sent to Europa with images of what is below the ice.
silver00spike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
commercial low earth orbit space travel (I'm 32)
edall10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars, FUCKING MARS
sakipooh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want guns and bombs to become absolete so we just fight with armor and swords I think that would be sick. I would practice a lot if that were the case.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding a way to get plastic chemically recycled so we aren't left with it just being downcycled.
TonyWrocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Electing a president democratically in the United States. Can't believe even Russia did it before us.
Electoral College has to go.
iamtheman3006 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overcoming the need for a religion crutch.
Khuros_Khan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't understand why are making it a fight for renewable energy. We used steam, coal then oil. The next step is wind, falling water, solar, wave power. We need to start gradually swapping over.
brewmastermonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:08:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging, human habitats throughout the solar system and beyond, wormhole technology, personal bioengineering, an end to jobs being neccesary, and alien contact.
tauthon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology
LupusDeusMagnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global unification under me. I know it is silly, but is really something i would love to see.
ToxiicDoll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A pill that overweight folks can take to achieve their ideal weight overnight.
Sartalon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete conquering of the human genome.
Want to be cancer free... check. Want clear skin and a metabolism that burns through whatever trash I put in my mouth... check. Want eyes that don't require glasses...check.
And then cyber enhancements!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with aliens, preferably some who can uplift us.
hawdskinna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable, clean, energy. Globally.
Also, advancing past the need for currency/economy. But that is definitely not happening in my lifetime
YourWatchIsBroken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic education available and mandated for all and higher education free for all who are academically qualified.
Corruption free politics.
skvekh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to travel using a jetpack
scelesticshahir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The marvel of modern medicine.
The documentation of one of the most deadliest wars in human history.
The simplification of communication (your mobile).
GonzoBalls69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact.
Bluthiest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understanding the human mind. Full-on Watson and Crick level fundamental mapping of why our brains do what they do. We have spent the last several centuries expanding outward; now let's explore inward. What is happiness? How do we learn? Can we find a universal language? The answer lies in the brain.
buffalocats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of them dying.
311Natops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For medical science to grab autoimmune diseases by the balls - by clearly identifying exactly what antibody (antibodies) is causing the problem and somehow safety stop their production without adversely effecting the rest of the immune system.
GrandmaChicago ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to have a "Food-a-racacycle" where you just push a button and your perfectly cooked, attractive and healthy dinner comes out of a slot in the wall. Especially after a long day at work.
Kackemel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain in a jar technology.
plsdonteatme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transfer of human consciousness into electronic equipment.
VersaceBot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First off-Earth colony (space station in LEO, Lunar, Martian, etc.), First human landing on Mars, Be-all-end-all cure to cancer, Nuclear Fusion, Evidence of life outside of Earth, Majority renewable energy, Electric vehicles overtaking fossil fuel, Genetically modified people to remove hereditary conditions/enhance a certain trait
Essexal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A universal currency controlled by maths not central banks.
ValdemarSt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That most people in the world drive electric cars
inspectoralex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lot less terrible people
dryadnymph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI for sure.
InvocatioNDotA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure to modern-day "feminism" and also being able to have a government with no corrupt politicians.
caverunner17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where being an Atheist is more of a norm and "socially acceptable." I have a number of friends who are "Christian" but stopped believing in the Bible, God and Jesus years ago. To them though, they were raised Christian, so they just presume it to be part of their identity.
SCSWitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for most diseases would be great. The end of world hunger and suffering is also another.
mgrev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
an end of the destruction of nature such as pollution and destroying the rainforests, so the specimen on earth can live in harmony
libertysince05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of malaria, river blindness and universal access to safe water.
Swara_Nico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CYBORGS!
gobslobber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap razor blades for shaving. Les p***. Informative news, educational television. Unprofitable Wars... oh and maybe another game-changing app that delivers a pizza within 30 minutes.
MoreIronyLessWrinkly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see printable organs and renewable, sustainable energy. We could also stand to decrease our world population by a couple billon through contraceptive use and not wanting to have ten kids.
timetotalk101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every country on the planet adopting a 'scandinavian' approach to life.
No religion, good infrastructure, recycling and heavy investment in our future.
The good of the people ahead of creating a world of politics largely interested in making rich people even more money.
youregonnawannado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
TrendBomber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Responsible, ethical Super AI. It can literally be the last thing we need to invent.
TendoTheTuxedo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FLYING CARS
Walktao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No limitations,do what I wanna do
trg1408 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Better World! One where all of us are united and hopefully that's what sorts out most of the world's problems, then hopefully we can expand our horizons and become an interplanetary species. It seems farfetched, but I know it can be.
Edit* Also I feel like a lot of what's been mentioned here wouldn't be possible until this happens. In our lifetime that is.
TUB1230 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic enhancements.
lingardb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI sex bots.
AyleiDaedra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots
aCapedBaldy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to replace these primitive meat sacks with Advanced biosynthetic Hardware.
alrightiwillbite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A utopia where everyone works together
Ippherita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality through digital uploading
Anonymous_Snow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replicator, space missions (exploring new planets) , cure for cancer.
yeags ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Room temperature superconductors. Technology would make a huge leap forward with this kind of breakthrough.
MooBitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The restorarion of Wild, Sea run atlantic salmon in the northeastern U.S. As far as I know New Hampshire's program has failed and now we're breeding salmon trying to help Maine's restoration efforts.
Mints97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind upload
AC5380 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All power sourced from hydro, solar, and wind. It's coming, it's just a matter of time.
Healtone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People quitting facebook.
isaacharms2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mile high skyscraper
d3r3k1449 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A technological solution for cheaply and easily removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. In other words I'd like to see us-and life on this planet as we know it-achieve survival past 2100. Space colonization is not the (only) answer.
killergriff3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stable and publicly usable teleportation, I know that a couple years back they successfully teleported an atom a few rooms away but it destabilized upon materializing again, imagine just walking to a pod in your house, pressing a few buttons, and then you're instantly anywhere you want to be, while I can't confirm this, I'd assume it would also be pretty green, it would make things like space colonies much easier to manage and get the supplies they would need
sixnew2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real indistinguishable Artificial Intelligence would love to see us redefine what life is but it will stil llikely be a rocky road.
defsentence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The achievement of learning how the universe was created with 100 percent factual evidence. And/or if there was a reason for it. Human enlightenment would be a nice change-of-pace for an achievement. Could you imagine if every human was on the same page? lol what a difference maker.
waiting4singularity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nanorobotics. it's the key to transhumanist immortality.
edit
after messages inviting me to read information on rejuvenation research i have to clarify:
nanorobotic immortality / eternal youth is easier to sell to the masses, however the core benefit of them is enabled by decentralization of production and massively improved recycling performance a vast shift in society. I can not formulate this, but the current encrusted state of corporative dominance would be broken up.
Probably one of the reasons I won't see it happen.
psiampos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful manned mission to Mars
futtbuck3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind controlled technology. Say for example, to help disabled people complete tasks they otherwise would not be able to do.
PansOnFire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phone batteries that last for weeks
RHINOESinaBOX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel
vorpalsnickersnack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
achieving the speed of light
Jet018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally want to live to a day where we see the jet pack become the motorcycle of flying cars
boating_accidents ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self annihilation.
Clownaround ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody has said Works Peace and Harmony. Just how great would it truly be to wake up every day knowing that wars no longer exist. Imagine what the world would be like if places like Afghanistan and Syria could have a prosperous people, but not only that, every country would finally put all of our bullshit aside and be able to work together and accomplish some of the other things mentioned in this post
w3revolved ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post-scarcity. Like Star Trek replicators.
Carlzzone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
NECooley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see an entirely reusable single-stage-to-orbit spacecraft that can C&C it's own missions entirely with onboard crew. That would take space flight from the age of hundreds of people to manage a single mission costing tens of millions, to just the crew managing it with NASA in an advisory role like space traffic control.
I feel like this step (making spacecraft operate more like ships or planes) is essential to the industrialization or even colonization of LEO. Which I would also like to see in the next hundred years.
Legym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
asteroid mining
Aran3110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Irradiation of normies
AMDonline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
lexonhym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A self-sustaining permanent colony away from Earth. Lagrange Station, Moon, Mars, whatever... Just a backup for our species.
DanMason153 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical advances that could dramatically slow the aging process. It'd be neat to see the technological advances and innovation I'd otherwise miss.
Klendy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eternal life, duh
jerryq27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True VR
PainCakesx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing another planet. It's been a dream of mine to travel through space and to have humanity achieve that capability would make me very happy indeed.
DeezNewtsBruh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump Impeached
Bubbock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Low cost, clean, and renewable power. Everyone gets the power they need to power their homes and electric vehicles.
stouz12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well i want the space travel thing become a really true stuff in our lives but i d rather say i wanna see human being achieve the whole idea of time travel .
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peaceful relations between every country on earth. Except North Korea. Bomb those f*ckers already.
meenie_minie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars! Just like the DeLorean in Back to the Future
RobouteGuilliman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars. I want to see a man set foot on Mars.
420BONGZ4LIFE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The emoji movie 2
Zentaurion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to have dental enamel repaired. Why is this so difficult?! We have stem cell technology, entire animals have been cloned, sharks that can swim backwards (okay, that might have been in a movie), but we still need fillings made of whatever fillings are made of instead of being able to repair cracks in teeth by regrowing enamel.
mahosa4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradicate bedbugs.
Undocumentedasshole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's a pipe dream, especially with how things are going now, but I would love to see a cleansing of the human race, and a formation of a white overclass
sportsfan2000xx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to go to the moon as if it's normal
IceBear14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to either live long enough to see us get passed our differences and explore space, or long enough to see the end of our species
latitudinarian7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me finishing college
Ethman_C-137 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:12:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation like from Star Trek
Midnite-Wolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. That way I can see all the achievements!
Edit: I know there's like a 99% chance it won't happen, but it would still be pretty cool.
Cyrino420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots have taken over 80% of the workforce and we all just get basic income from the government and we are free to pursue our own hobbies.
Nousersavailable6969 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One world government, unity of the human race and a common drive towards advancing ourselves
rory_4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of poverty
dconde4930 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonies on Mars
eamonnkeating8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing
identiifiication ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cashless society
See the world Ethereum, you can do it!
Keden16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life elsewhere in the universe. I just want to know it's there so that when we possibly ruin our own chances at survival, it isn't the only chance life had of being self-aware.
shantaram3013 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap spaceflight for all.
KittyGray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Parkinson's
zorsiK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get rid of student loans
jsstring ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LGBTQ+ acceptance world wide.
I can dream.
FlyAmonita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prioritizing our future ahead of profits so that advancements we've already made can actually be allowed to become the new norm. (I.e. Renewable energy)
hellscoffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sustainable society, self-managed
inmeucu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Programming made as easy as basic speech commands within a virtual reality of my own creation, interconnectivity like Ready Player One, and searchability with information organization that is intuitively natural for the mind. I've yet to see anyone truly imagine what it would even look like. If you try, you'll soon conclude we are so very far from being an advanced civilization, you wouldn't be surprised we are barely making a crack in the egg of our primitivity.
VyRe40 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income and the automation revolution.
Widescale autonomous car adoption.
Better solutions for common terminal illnesses.
Oh, and, an affordable version of the holodeck, please.
getsome75 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
goals
pignoodle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure or easy treatment to Type 1 Diabetes
Bananafoofoofwee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global warming remission
Laughsassin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel, or something similar.
superH3R01N3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a child born from human egg fertilization without the use of a male's sperm, and whose embryo was successfully modified to include or exclude a specific genetic trait.
SEND_ME_SPIDERMAN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nintendo figuring out how to do online would be cool.
mardeeves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the world to go VEGAN!!!
Allen_Koholic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:13:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure to death.
Hawk10798 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold fusion
NotSoPersonalJesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace. This is more important than a lot else. If we stop funding military to fight each other, we can find research to help each other live better.
ticasputas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cryogenic sleep...to see the others humans archievements....
DaFysty1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for HIV! Oh wait nvm
poison-pen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful vehicle for Ellen cleghorne.
R0by ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of fake news and people making up their own facts and getting away with it.
SlappingFascists ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MARS MOTHERFUCKER!!!
ptwonline ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual reality that seems utterly realistic to all of your senses. Basically, the Star Trek holodeck, except that I assume it would just all be stimulation directly to your brain and not external inputs to your senses in a more traditional way.
Walking on a beach, feeling the warm sun shining on you, the crisp smell of the ocean, the sound of waves crashing and seagulls crying, the wet sand between your toes, and meeting your deceased parents full of life again just to spend some time with them.
diamened ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a good start
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To prove once and for all that all religions are bull and that there is no deity. Then we can put that behind us as a species forever...
ABgraphics ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
BI-HEMISPHERIC COMMON MARKET WITH OPEN TRADE AND OPEN BORDERS
Nobodykers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life from nonlife, abiogenesis
DM-Hollens-117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doc: "It appears that you do have cancer. We'll schedule a 9 o'clock appointment tomorrow and get it all taken care of. No worries,"
B0Jangles405 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inter planetary colony's, a definitive cure for spine injury's and a cure for age related disability.
MILLIGEN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability for humans to be able to live next to others that don't share the same belief and/or opinion and still be respectful.
subhumanmemes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping to see nuclear fusion be perfected. Maybe not necessarily as the go-to energy resource but just news that it's been perfected and can the fusion reaction can be sustained.
PAR_KER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realizing we have no business killing each other, instead, we should pool our resources and figure out a way to travel at crazy speeds through space.
Hidrog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
metalvinny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The apocalypse.
P4LL4D1N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Live_On_Mars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abandoning chemotherapy due to finding a new treatment that is much better and does not destroy the body while trying to help.
Lonewanderer08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income.
A world where people arent forced to take every shitty job out there just to not die a horrible slow death.
I love to teach, i did tutoring for all of my school and abitur days and a lot while doing my B.Sc. but it really doesnt pay well and is in a lot of cases an undeserving job, but the few students i had that really wanted to learn makes really up for it.
I gave them all i could just so they get the help and support they need to succeed and that is what i love about it, but to have a stead income and good standing (aka. not being dirt poor and hated by a lot of people) teaching or tutoring just isnt a healthy future ob perspective.
UBI would change this, i wouldnt have to take a job that pays extremely well but that i dont love but could rather do what i love without worrying all the time if im going to starve next week :(
Heart_of_Glass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace on earth and tolerance for people who are not like you.
Fattybatman3456 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, thank you.
Canttakethewhyfromme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic Income
TheSharkFromJaws ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The elimination of all thermonuclear warheads.
Mr-_-Clean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telekinesis
1ofU_butDifferent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space travel... I want to be able to see space in my lifetime
NantesWunderkind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The full worldwide eradication of polio. It's a disease that has personally affected a number of my family members. In 2016 there were only 37 reported cases, down from an estimated 100,000 in 1993 and 400,000 in 1980.
LoneTempleGuard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Denuclearize the world
BuddyPeanuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
someone breaking Wilt Chamberlain's record with women.
thecrazyman68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Tinnitus.
Reaper_Messiah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space exploration on a bigger scale. I mean, there's so much to discover just in our area. Becoming a multi-planetary species and having the tech to get there without too much issue. It's exciting stuff.
Buit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hover-board from "Back to the Future". Seriously, it is waaaay overdue.
LOLThatHilarious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Messi to win a world cup
rutenito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Travelling to other galaxies, exploring space
knight_saladin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see first contact. Hopfully have it not end up like a war.
ChiefKingSosa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitive proof of alien life.
HupIrl86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reversal of human induced climate change using geoengineering.
AU_Cav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck all that. Flying cars is the only answer.
indieindian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a treatment to reverse baldness
ahovww ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think technological singularity trumps everything else in that everything else would likely follow it as a result.
MiketheJeepGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man that's a tough one.
The humanitarian side of me wants to see a cure for cancer that is readily available and affordable to anyone that needs it.
The adventurous side wants to see man revisit the moon and land on Mars.
The realist just wants to see my greatest achievement, my daughter, grow up and have a great life of her own.
RipplyPig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dream DVR's. I want to be able to record and watch my own dreams
VikesGirl99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
for_later_use ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Settle on mars
JackSlick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars, or finding a way to travel at light speed. I feel like Earth is just sorta like a free trial version of what the entire universe has to offer.
NTRedmage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp speeds or something equal(i'll even settle for 70% light speed) anything that will get my children/grandchildren off this mudball.
IAmKnightSolaire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending hunger worldwide. It has been within our means for a while, but there's no incentive so nobody's really stepped up and done much.
opalhopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two words: Moon Base
darkspecterx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. I assume that we will eventually break through the barriers that will allow us to upload our memory to computers or transfer our consciousness to another clone/3d printed host.
IdeallyAddicted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator, and
Room temperature super conductors
jonathan88876 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2-hour marathon.
jlitwinka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ability to grow animal meat in a lab and ending animal farming.
Semisonic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
diamondintherimond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% autonomous vehicles.
Thatoneguy567576 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legitimate space travel. Cure for cancer. Cure for Alzheimer's. Alternative fuel source becoming the main source (i.e. Solar or other). Powerful gaming computers becoming as inexpensive as video game consoles.
Per_Aspera_Ad_Astra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man successfully traveling to Mars, exploring Mars, and returning home!
flamingomike23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The moon landing
imreadytoreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The return of supersonic commercial flight.
Lalalem0n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3D printing of organs and bodies for medical practice to spare animals from practice surgeries.
P_o_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see full scale tissue regeneration. It would be one of the biggest leaps in terms of medicine. Much more radical treatment options are available if you could just grow a new organ (using the person's own tissue) and drop it in place. New limbs could be grown for those who've lost or damaged their original set. And honestly, I really do believe we'll see this in my lifetime.
zerosabor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
BalaBala04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take down drug companies and let the nature do the healing work.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars
Fenixius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to live to see the first human born outside of the Earth, whether it's in orbit, on the Moon, on Mars, or elsewhere. This would represent our commitment to becoming an interplanetary civilisation, and would mean that our kind will live on past all the challenges of today.
Why_Do_I_Exist0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, so I can see EVERY HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT
elblues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not having WWIII would be a start. Otherwise anything else ITT would be a moot point.
Shocker300 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is just a big wish list of things things that are near impossible or thousands of years away from our tech. However, as someone who just started reading Ready Player One, I think the creation of an 'OASIS' would be really cool, and totally plausible.
SaltyBalty98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for colon cancer and diabetes would be good. As someone with a family history of getting ass cancer and diabetes I am terrified of it.
I'm also bi and I believe the colon cancer rate in the ass taking community is higher.
JakeRep20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us explore the planets of our nearest star Alpha Centauri.
hsg8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Internet Explorer doing its job well instead of "Not Responding" to every thing I throw at it.
Theundercave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Navi wins another ti
dontgetaddicted ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human Mars Mission and effective treatments for cancer.
hieropotamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the rise of cybernetic human enhancement. I am more than willing to have a set of robotic arms grafted onto my torso. I need four arms. For reasons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Close that asshole in the ozone layer and beat that motherfucking cancer for the love of God
Zerbiwing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i thought top comment would be immortality, well shit.
Xenjael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace in Israel, and hopefully the middle east.
Don't worry about reading the rest- it isn't important compared to the above. But if you're curious why that is the one achievement I hope to see, then I hope you find it worth your time.
Peace. It's why I came to Israel- I know, I know, but it's different. I truly believe the conflicts do not stem from cultural differences- if it was the case jews and muslims would have been at war for their entire history, rather than in just the last century in particular.
And I can look at what happened thanks to the british, but I think the problems don't stem from them insomuch as how they drew the borders and allocated readily available resources. I believe most of the conflict stems from there. Cause I'm in Rahat now- I'm joining another non-profit called A New Dawn, which focuses on helping bedouins establish themselves in the modern world, particularly by working with Israel. I'm not even really jewish- family is, I'm buddhist. I just hate seeing people suffer, and being in Rahat right now, I think there is real possibility for what I hope to see.
I wasn't here during the war with Lebanon in 2006, but I do remember it was the year the water problem Israel had was solved with massive infrastructure buildup and desalinization projects. And I also noticed that at about the same time- the conflict ended, and there has been no further conflict with Lebanon.
My solution? I'm starting a non-profit that focuses on building kits for people to then build their own botanical centers.
My theory is that if you effectively turn a city green- as in with vegetation, than what does that say about their capabilities considering the resource of water?
If every house had one of the devices I built, and one of the kits, hell, even their desert plots would like like little edens (or Virginia, as I like to think of it).
And if you can effect this change regionally, it might actually impact some things that can lead to conflict, nipping it at the bud, so to speak.
My hope is to get every Israeli and Bedouin household a atmospheric water generator im developing. I'd like to get it to a point of shipping them out for free, and thus providing a household with a means of free and clean water, hopefully for the garden- but if necessary, for their own well being. These are static generators- as in, they don't require outside energy. Once made, they will do their thing positioned properly. Right now I'd say I'm... maybe 15% of the way there. It might be twenty years before I have something that really works. But I will.
I don't know if I'll see peace in my lifetime. But dammit, I will die trying to see it.
Edit: Plus... if you're ever going to see humans live on mars, we gotta start learning how to terraform and manipulate what we have here in a positive way. I believe if a massive amount of people were producing water, even if from the air, it could have a considerable and beneficial impact on the environment depending on where and how it is done.
We achieve big dreams with small steps.
Sorry for the long read.
MsStarstruck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't read it because WTF but apology accepted.
Porygod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna help! Been thinking about going to Israel for a bit but not sure how I want to go about it yet.. Tel Aviv looks like a paradise so it's hard to believe they'de even allow water inaccessibility to their people
Xenjael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no water scarcity now fortunately! Come, every person helps.
Porygod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:07 on January 21, 2018 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds fun :)
PopcornMuscles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing tinnitus
marvinisarobot69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure tinnitus
SirDrakey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weaponized Sass
ThePainapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing the moon
synnabunz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Close to Light-Speed Space Travel or Warp Speed. Doubt it though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a long shot but I'd love to see economic and social equality. Not a Marxist style everyone is the same class but more making it a level playing field where people have a fighting chance at a better quality of life. Unfortunately that will just simply never happen. Humans are too selfish.
Skank-Hunt-40-2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know its probably unrealistic, but interstellar travel
monstera_obscura ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more suicide by our young people...and a dignified way for the terminally ill to leave this life as they wish.
andy2619 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm waiting for the creation of a holodeck. Although I can tell you I would probably live in there so holodeck-addiction support group soon after.
Thuseld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aside from the obvious ones like clean drinking water, sustainable energy, cures to cancer and Alzheimer's and such, I would like to see the colonization of the moon.
jokemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
make vaccines stop causing autism
renocco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe personal jetpacks
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars.
Worthington_Rockwell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A year with no murders.
little_asian_man_89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
The cure for aging and death.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liberals leaving the United States
JSRambo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perpetual motion.
Swiper02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
rain-is-wet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Capitalism.
outer_c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is "world peace" too cliche?
Gears_of_Fate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
biomechanical upgrades for humans
dvxvdsbsf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stemming the inevitable fall of capitalism into full on serfdom and closing the rich poor gap to a level where everyone has the basic needs to survive without having to work 60 hours a week
LoveHisFLesh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation!
Gym_Dom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the realization of radical life extension. I plan to live at least another 100 years (currently 37 years old). Ray Kurzweil's books detail how consumer-level life extension should become a reality within 20 years, followed by the Singularity in the 2040s.
Vomath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TVTA
10pumpsclassic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for male pattern baldness.
Psykerr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unity.
Of course, the only way we'll ever see any semblance of global unity if we have a reason to unify - such as an invasion - so this may be a double-edged wish.
balthezeus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure to death.
JCrewGangster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Although I think the shining beauty of life is made visible by the shadow of death.
zePiNdA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either a massive secularisation in the Arab countries or a massive conversion of fossil fuel to renewable.
drunkdustdevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True Peace.
yahuga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income
jphollow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human decency being commonplace, no wait that's asking a lot, how about common sense? No that's probably too much as well, let's just live up to all the things that we were supposed to live up to in the previous 100 years. Let's get that done and then worry about reaching Mars and world peace.
felixsetmode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Timeless Battery Life
T_Maarhaysu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Speed rail from Boston to LA would be great.
J_the_Assassin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see scientists revive the dead so I can see Randy Savage fight
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing and colonizing.
PotatersGonnaPotater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Kardashians becoming irrelevant
emmaboat85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolute cure for cancer and HIV
MT_Flesch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
moon colonization
madfappr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The terraforming of mars. A unifying human endeavor I hope to see.
b3nthegod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump as POTUS. That has to be considered an achievement. A singularity I would say.
b3nthegod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wait...
chasmad123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of an alien civilization.
namelessfuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonisation of Mars
henrythorough ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe we still buy/sell gas cars with less than 30 MPG. If the goddamn things aren't full electric, how have we not figured out 75 MPG? how are cars the only tech unchanged since the 1950s?
drink30beers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to the bottom of the ocean/ more than 8 miles deep in to earths crust
kickithard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal usage of turn signals would be enough to make me die a happy man.
bluemax23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making /u/bluemax23 immortal.
lujakunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next Game of Throne's book
sigh
dudenotcool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing a giant ass space station in the night sky
ccisidora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End to all wars and violence
midgets_did_911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The future memes
theonedontneednogun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The computerization of the human mind. That way, I will stay with you all when I die.
punmaster29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Driverless cars. I know it'll be the downfall of an entire industry but god damn if they aren't cool. Plus they give independence to those who can't drive.
glbetrttr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevators
Cixxar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity and space living/travel
johnlyne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The release of Cyberpunk 2077 and the last Evangelion movie.
Jdisgreat17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the human race not be annihilated by nuclear weapons, that would be great and a MASSIVE achievement, especially with the current circumstances
rbfguy229 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully GPS enabled ski goggles with real time updates of lift lines, directions to the trail you want, overlay of the mountain to show you where you've been, tracking of friends in the mountain.
fortnerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% clean energy + carbon capture.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of cancer
thinmintea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mosquitoes destroyed.
princeblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see all borders between nations broken down and living as a unified world.
patiangthesismo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable space travel. I'd love to see the stars.
jerslan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon/Mars colony. FTL tech as a stretch goal.
chudd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A society that values science and farming, over glorifying athletes and shitty celebs.
kwikileaks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:18:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transcontinental hyper loop. You could work in Virginia, live in Omaha, be at work in 30 minutes. Something like that.
mexicanwetback ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for ALS. My mum just got diagnosed
pioneerhear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien discovery
KodakWhite_v2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phineas and Ferb going to school
Mastert3318 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want someone to finally make use of the improved FTL drive concept that we have.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
Highest-Riser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An efficient, inexpensive and basic personal flight machine capable of vertical landing and horizontal flight.
Sphinctuss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk man like affordable healthcare would be cool I'm not asking for much
goda90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post-scarcity economy a la Star Trek. Enough clean energy and technology that we can just make whatever we want out of atoms.
Bulbasaur2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Privatized and public teleportation
jtinz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beating that heat death of the universe thing.
(I hope for a long life.)
Heronum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to fuck a coconut without screwing it up somehow
Hiquanji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Toilet paper that cleans my butt in one wipe
anothercopy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acknowledging that religion is a hoax and moving it away from the public life.
seeyouenntee666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More recognition for mental illnesses. I.E. Depression, Anxiety, PTSD. all of these being treated as more serious conditions.
A cure for Autoimmune Diseases. Yes, you can live a full life if you live a healthy lifestyle, but there are still some times where it overtakes you. I know there are ways to help the symptoms, but i'm tired of trying a new medication every other month and i'm honestly not a fan of going through chemo.
The420Turtle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolishment of gas stations
metalgamer84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Type 1 diabetes.
None of this "the cure is just a few years away" BS that most T1D's have been hearing their whole life.
BankPain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing some kind of launch assist system along the lines of a space elevator would be sick; anything that drops the cost of 1kg in orbit below 100โฌ or so would be pretty great.
ragavsn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Room Temperature Superconductivity! The real, repeatable, reproducible and stable RTSC.
Curleysound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tech singularity
matzapper65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No armies no borders world peace
NoiceNoife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of all Social Justice.
NoiceNoife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But seriously,I would LOVE to make contact with extraterrestrial lifeforms.
long_term_catbus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see lots of "cure for x disease" in here. One that is important to me is MS. I have it, my best friend has it (what are the fucking chances?) and I know many other people affected by it. I feel like we are close and I really really hope I will see a cure. Even if it's when I'm old and dying and it's basically useless to me - just knowing that people in the future will not have to live with MS would allow me to die happy.
cnhn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
resource extraction from the solar system instead of the earth.
sagiroth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cancer cure, landing on any other planet
GodTachanka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Team 10 being jailed for life.
LardPhantom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure if this fits, but confirmed contact with extraterrestrial intelligence. I'll settle for confirmation of any kind of extraterrestrial life. Seriously can we get to Europa already? I bet there's all sorts of amazingbshit going on under the water there. An entire alien water-based ecosystem.
glytxh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion technology, and a means of avoiding the resulting wars.
Ricardian19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human colony on the moon Titan. That implies that we've already built several colonies in our star system and are more resilient as a species. Plus I really want to fly on Titan.
n0mad911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial super intelligence. Or more specifically, singularity.
TwistedPepperCan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
City on Mars. Get on it u\elon_musk
EndsLikeShakespeare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Selfishly, type 2 diabetes. I have it under control but would be nice if we found a way to keep it under wraps.
alt_generic_acct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:19:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to understand what is up with black holes. its fascinating.
Osborn2095 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The red pill, with which man can take something for protection so you do not need a condom
caring_bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solving the riddle of consciousness.
Azonata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The North Korean people rising up and taking the faith of their country into their own hands.
pabodie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact. No question.
faaltek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp travel and first contact with the Vulcans
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want marijuana legal in every state for recreational use, as well as dropping the Federal law against it.
jonwheatley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
England winning the World Cup.
I_Am_ProZac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accurate progress bars.
itspapatim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The true separation of Church and State not only in the US but world wide.
hobbycollector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-driving cars will arguably save more lives and time than anything else. 4k people are killed on Texas highways every year. The easiest way to increase highway capacity is to have cars drive closer together, which is possible with self-driving cars. Parking spaces will become a thing of the past, as cars will go on to pick up their next fare. The only downside will be lack of organ transplant donors.
IanTheInnocent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL
lankist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One day where everyone gets a decent meal.
tonker724 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fall of North Korea
Winhert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ageing process reversal of course, so i can have time for other achievements.
DigitalMafia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for my lupus and ankylosing spondylitis. I know it's selfish since I have it, but man I'm scared of being crippled and my body killing itself..
confucious420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A medicine that can artificially lengthen our live to hundreds of years so that I can see every achievement be achieved
The_Foresaken_Mind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either the cure for all cancers or the colonisation of another planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial intelligence and self driving cars.
adreamingsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know how to put it in words, but generally I want to see humanity be united behind a common goal of being a scientific community.
Hollywap35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Game of thrones actually being finished by George R R
TK_Riot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living off 100% renewable energy. No fossil fuels needing to be used, entirely solar, wind, and whatever else they create that is renewable
IntegralTitan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to Mars/colonizing any celestial body
Gandalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
user_name_unknown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully functioning neutral lace. I would love to expand my cognitive function to the level of a general AI. I figure at that point immortality would be possible then, I could download my consciousness into a computer or android or something. Hell if I could download my consciousness into a computer then maybe sometime in the future I could get on a ship and travel the stars, no need to keep a biological body safe, the trip could take tens of thousands of years and it wouldn't be a problem for me, just put me on pause until we get there.
Puppywanton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The legalization (and regulation) of euthanasia.
cisxuzuul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:20:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure a disease like HIV, Leukemia, or Type 1 Diabetes.
lemonicecube24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure, not just symptom control, for schizophrenia and schizo-like disorders.
Mental health is spoken about a great deal in the UK (bring attention to it - mainly depression/anxiety) and whilst this is ace, most people have no idea how much suffering someone with these disorders go through.
I work with lots of beautiful, caring people who can't live, love or work. Struggle is their normal. Their symptom control medications are bullshit, we need a cure.
Fattybatman3456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jenga tower to the moon.
yinyang94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An immigration reform for families that have lived here 20 + years with honest jobs, no criminal background, and pay taxes.
sl600rt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Americans being the first humans on mars.
thug_funnie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars.
ktulucr8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lunar/Martian colonization.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
end of stupidity.
stanyew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin global adoption
Silfz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Become master builders agian and stop looking at ancient monuments like pussies that can't do some thing like that ever again.
MoostyBoosty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to recover lost hearing. I have genetic hearing loss and it is only gonna get worse the older I get.
NationalDiarrhea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The transcendence of political leaders from being heartlessly corrupt to having much of their hearts' chambers occupied by the love for their people.
eitauisunity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open-source, decentralized, home gene editing.
End of disease and disability that is virtually freely available.
Jodyhighhicks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for aids/no abortion.
Raichu7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sort of full VR, either like in Sword Art Online without the IRL death or with something that lets you walk around but in one spot like an omnidirectional treadmill with a harness to allow for flying/swimming and a suit to replicate feelings like pressure, wind and temperature. The SAO one would be better though I don't know if its even physically possible whereas the other one just needs better technology.
kernell32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally stopping or at least minimizing climate change.
eddserpa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding the cure for Parkinson's
Nrik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality ;)
marmighty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Euthanasia, legal and socially acceptable please.
You wouldn't make your dog suffer half the things some people are forced to live through.
Morache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
curing cancer please. or at least control it so well thats its not a death sentence anymore.
mikebrown33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability for scientists to create copious amounts of inexpensive synthetic blood - then perhaps the vampires living among us can come out of the closet.
malmordar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for stupidity, like trumpism
carlosboshell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well... fuck world peace, I want to see "The winds of winter" and "A Dream of Spring" released.
Numella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see devices that change and control the chance of rain
fretboard_squatter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Parkinson's and all of Mr. Tesla's visions coming true.
IlIIllIIIllIllIllIll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wide-scale acceptance and subsequent reversal of climate change.
kieranxreed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People both traveling to and colonizing Mars.
Shredjeep5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to not argue over something for 5 seconds
deadkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
donald trump actually building a wall
Deomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us all agree on something. I know I ask for too much.
Stebsis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans traveling to another planet(possible) or even star(hiiighly unlikely).
Concept of interstellar/planetary travel and exploring the unknown has always been a romantic dream for me. I love scifi where they explore these empty, lonely places around the universe and I really wish that'll be possible at some point even if it definitely won't happen in my lifetime.
Honestly if I could go on Mars and live rest of my life there, like they're planning to do sometime in the future, I'd go there in a heartbeat if I was capable.
mwoody83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GRRM releasing the Winds of Winter
jworsham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to visit mars. Like... visit. Vacation.
frupp110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might be corny, but, peace.
We don't need another iPhone or a microwave hooked to the internet. We need adults to start acting like adults. We need get our emotions in check and allow our minds to realize how barbaric we have become.
I'm not even hoping to resolve conflicts or disputes (e.g. Middle East, North Korea, and Russia). I just want those involved with these issues to learn to chill the hell out and grow up. That's it. No fancy solution or earth-shattering revelation. Grow up, get a grip of yourself, and start doing things that only better mankind and the world.
NotAHippie
TiredOfTheWorstGenerationRunningThings
IdiocracyTheComedyThatBecameAProphecy
elfslistentodubstep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love anything that has to do with the universe, so any kind of life changing discovery or groundbreaking information would be cool.
Qlinkenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for type 1 diabetes.
_memelorddotjpeg_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a_skeleton_07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Take over of AI, ability to upload my mind into said AI, kill humans.
connorp2311 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George R.R. Martin finishing A Game of Thrones
TheLoneBritFag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality?
lampalfred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding the perfect meme
ViolentEdWhoopWhoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Natural Healing and prevention over Medicine and the financial giant is has become. (Never gonna happen tho)
ZaphodBeeblebrox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All the food minus the calories
dwayne_rooney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:22:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to virtue signaling.
CuteThingsAndLove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on here is saying cures to diseases or awesome other things that would make living way better...
My first thought was wanting flying cars already
M4asterofDisaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPACE ELEVATOR
akamu117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This beautiful bastard named Patrick Rothfuss finally releasing his 3rd damn book of the king killer chronicles! Release it you bastard!
RooR_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Elevator, It's doubtful, but with modern science who knows!!
TheDeltaRealm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All Humans live in Love and Harmony . No religion , hate , etc...
b95csf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for stupidity.
sidekick89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flight. Like, if you wanted to go somewhere on the other side of the world but didn't want to risk taking a ship or swimming. It just seems so much more convenient.
xXrawdawg69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A L I E N S
HeFirstLovedMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
clean sustainable energy around the world, world hunger eliminated, universal basic income in developed countries, colony on mars or moon, and war spending almost eliminated and put towards productive goals (probably a prerequisite to the other ones) Im 23 and optomistic
pm_me_your_tits_kthx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal weed everywhere.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life with aging being frozen between 21-30
biga204 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My kids grow up to be happy and successful.
_a_vegan_life ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. And. I guess. Everything else as well...
alanmagid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death of religion.
Pr1nceFluffy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for type 1 diabetes please.
Hilarious_Haplogroup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common and affordable driver-less cars.
I want to be able to hop into the back seat of my own car and say "Car, I'm drunk, let's go home!" and have it take my drunk ass home.
yanweng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
Dogebolosantosi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to restore hearing in deaf people. I am deaf in one ear and it would be absolutely wonderful to hear out of both ears again, that goes for many others too.
Bogart86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being that I'm 25 in this economy of the United States "bought a home" or even better some day "retirement achieved" would be nice...
fluffjfc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phish complete a no repeat 13 show residency at Madison Square Garden.......
Shit they've already achieved that. Looks like I can die a happy man
raemoondoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:23:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel, as in light years away
Cairnsian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
world peace...
Newbert101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Has I have no real health problems, nor no one with them, virtual reality. Being able to dive into a game, as if you were actually there, is the highest thing on my bucket list.
I_worship_odin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Chicago Bears win a superbowl in my lifetime.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rejection of political aithority
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind immortality or at least the doubling of the life expectancy without reducing the quality of life.
PMnewb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first sub-4 minute mile run was only achieved in 1954. It would be cool to see sub-3:30 before 2054.
NeverToYield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer/humans on Mars.
goatsaredumb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First proof of alien life. Radio signals, whatever. I just want to know.
Wellfuckme123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Civilian in space thanks to a space elevator.
dhoomz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace, ending of world hunger
giveherthechair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to look my kids in the eyes and tell them that adults got this under control
Lunevilgood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1: Master of Puppets;
Hypersensation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
of_the_mountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon
saltedcaramelsauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for an MS. Not just a drug that totally stops progression (certain existing treatments come close), but a drug that repairs past neurological damage.
That'd be awesome.
OverworldGamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More of the ocean discovered. We need to put more time and money into such an important place. Then, we can have more fun animals in our aquariums! :D
Dartje ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a world were politicians can agree and can manage their countries in a democratic style.
Rokittman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with intelligent ~ and hopefully friendly ~ extra-terrestrial life. And Teleportation.
peetee33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acceptable human euthanasia
Legalization of marijuana
Self driving cars
anh86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think you'll see your three biggest dreams come true within the next two decades.
patrick2point2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The actual work of crispr ๐ฅ Genetic Engineering Will Change Everything Forever โ CRISPR ...
cmoon4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof of the Riemann hypothesis
tbhooptie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since you guys all covered curing disease and all the other mankind enhancements that would be awesome to have happen. I'd take any disease cure (Cancer, Alzheimers, Huntingtons, etc...) before anything....
So....
I'll take a pizza that burns fat as you eat it....
ReallyNormalAccount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly? Anti-aging. But seriously? Nuclear disarmament.
Mr_Pasghettios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. I would love to see all airports converted into teleport stations. You would still pay whatever price you would for a normal flight but with this you would buy a ticket that you would be able to use any time throughout the year and it would expire 365 days after purchase. All you'd have to do it scan it when you showed up to the teleport station and blam they'd let you go to your destination.
Prophet_of_Profit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 1,000 leg parlay.
MiniNuka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality :)
AMS0C ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see cyborg technology perfected in my lifetime.
xxkoloblicinxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone better set foot on mars in the next 40-60 years I hope to live. Otherwise I'll be sorely disappointed.
sexaddic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transfer if consciousness to computer. I want to be a terminator. Or a Samuel Hayden (Doom). Death terrifies me.
Kickingandscreaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
Amaril_Xavier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human brains in robot bodies. Then everything else.
Nertez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ban on petrol cars/motorbikes. As someone whose house is right at the intersection, I really REALLY want much more quiet and clean air cities.
Going more to the future - cure aging and cancer. Even if it sounds like complete science-fiction, with CRISPR I believe this is actually possible one day. There's nothing I wish more than to live 1000 years, it would be amazing.
ArcticDark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a common cure for laziness would solve so many problems all over.
ch4ppi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Leaders calming The fuck down..
poor_empty_pants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like a solution for our traffic problems. Whether it's automated vehicles for everyone, or a more efficient mass public transportation system. More likely automated/self driving vehicles as people see their cars as an extension of their personal space. All I know is, we waste so much time and money on traffic related issues (sitting in traffic, repairing infrastructure, etc) and it's my least favorite thing ever.
shady-cactus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sending a spacecraft to another star
Avander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A functional bipartisan Congress.
Murder_redruM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
lajackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Increase in the speed of space travel exponentially. better warp drives Scotty.
Luna_Loveg00d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal common sense.
firesetsboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full communism
royalbarnacle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Electric cars is maybe the one near-future one I look forward to the most. I don't think people realize just how damn noisy and polluted big cities are. Imagine walking down the street in NYC and NOT being under a constant barrage of engine noise and exhaust.
Diztruxion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sanctioned/planned conception and birth of a human being somewhere other than earth.
harryronredvines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
New TOOL album
Gabenman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars
HunterGonzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All I ask is that 1 of the following 3 occurs before I die:
1) Man sets foot on Mars 2) Life of any kind discovered outside of Earth 3) Cleveland Browns play in the Super Bowl
I'm counting on one of the first 2.
Monsi_ggnore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
G.R.R. Martin finishing Winds of Winter. (lol who are we kidding)
McFuzzyChipmunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it won't happen but I would love for human kind to make it beyond our solar system.
MsStarstruck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3 confirmed.
skyflex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pictures and detailed information from another solar system, maybe even another planet.
Las7imelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality for the best of humans the ones who would strive to make every life better.
Is that wrong to ask for?
elliecat564 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually doing something for the environment before we end up like those poor fat saps in Wall-E
orlando_strong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:25:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. I really do not think it is that far off. I don't plan on dying, and I know science can save me.
asianmangg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contrary to the other posts about Discovery and medicine, but I think it'd be cool if someone breaks 43s in the open 400m.
zeframL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality through uploading your consciousness onto the Internet. Because reasons.
coffee3k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
vetelmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to transplant a human brain to a robotic body. I want to live forever.
leenie1221 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. People accepting people without prejudice.
Celica789 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for tinitus... Stem cells? Dunno...
ErikMaekir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apotheosis. Meaning, being able to transfer my mind into a computer, thus trascending human existence
TravelFun_BXL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proper, functional, mainstream space travel for me!
Now I know that SpaceX is a thing but let's be honest, it isn't likely to be relevant to my lifetime but I do admit, I'm looking forward to seeing that first batch of dudes take on the one-way trip to Mars and see how close to Total Recall (the Arnie one) humanity can actually come to...
Also curing all illnesses/diseases/social issues because like, come on son, it's 2017 and we can't go on like this!
vetelmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to transplant a human brain to a robotic body. I want to live forever.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna become an immortal cyborg real bad.
Oveleoj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to global warming
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full time, living wage jobs with benefits for those who want them. Not all service jobs that require standing all day when some people can't handle that anymore as the age.
The largest growth in jobs in the last year has been service jobs: "Do you want fries with that?"
Oh, and training provided by employers. Diminish the University Industrial Complex. While most of them are non-profits, they behave like the for-profits.
Phalty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replicators, star trek makes me want these machines soooo bad.
1eyedgopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I just think that self-driving cars will be amazing. Once they're perfected you'll be able to just go to sleep in your car bed and wake up 1000 miles away.
Ashangu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People on mars. 100% Clean energy use.
Cure for cancer
getoffmemonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for aging.
MarkedForDeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First established community in Mars with intergalactic police
SethSomni ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A functional government with an engaged public.
IsaqueLC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More countries becoming stable, politically and economically. Like maybe a lot more African countries.
bohner84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A toilet I can sit on without worry of my dick touching the water or the inside of.
Rosssauced ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism.....
But on a realistic note Mars Colonization.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Walk on the moon
jefflukey123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans to unite as one people, one ideology, one common goal, and to expand human influence throughout the cosmos. It's the only way.
arthur2-shedsjackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free energy. It would solve Soo many problems
Mtaylor0812_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for diabetes.
Blahblkusoi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial intelligence capable of creating art.
ECHOxLegend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody already gone with their altruistic vision for a better world, so ill just go with full body haptic VR with full range of motion in the living room, cheap enough for everyone to enjoy.
WhatThePancake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-, Da as a z as mscm
Jonx147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advanced robotic prosthetics that not only act as a substitute, but you can choose to replace your old body with.
Also, some neon signs around would totally be cool when this happens.
RevampedAtomic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sending a man on mars
zSef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal recycling.
Xavienth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for tinnitus.
megveg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradicating hunger and for humans to stop being so fucking awful to each other.
Edit: spelling
hgrad98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1.Finding a way to get people out of comas. 2.figuring out how to fix severed spinal cords 3.finding intelligent extraterrestrial life. 4.Colonizing a new planet
FRONTBUTTFART ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Veganism. The animal holocaust needs to end. The planet, the animals and our health deserve it. I doubt Iโll witness a fully vegan world but I think Iโll witness a majority before I die.
falloutjunkie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars.
chandler030 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to mars and stopping tyranny and poverity
Leomccance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The biotechnology to allow us to choose our own sexual orientation.
AmericanPixel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, there's that whole cure for cancer thing.
That would be neat to achieve.
Clemeeent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PSG winning the champion's League.
I don't see anything else.
Yentabear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure myself, but I asked my father and he said he'd like to see a cheap, affordable alternative to fossil fuels in cars i.e a ban petrol and diesel to be replaced with something more eco-friendly, but with emphasis on being affordable.
Lotus_towers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human mission to Mars. This will be the greatest technological, societal , political and cultural achievement of the 21st century.
PackageOfOats ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the proving or disproving of an afterlife/what happens when we die.
(yes, I have seen the Netflix film, The Discovery.)
WhenIDecide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well... ideally a three punch combo of world peace, followed by worldwide free healthcare, and finally the medical knowledge and ability to sustain healthy bodies indefinitely.
blueballsok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for old age and all disease. These things kills the vast majority of people, far more than any conflict has ever hoped to take. People imagine a world without war as a utopia but that is only half the battle. People will never be truly equal until the imperfections of the human body are solved.
pvnor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
War
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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pvnor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah, isnt that a great human achievement?
PunksPrettyMuchDead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of capitalism
hoangkhanh2812 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:27:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Invisibility
spoonerwilkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A practical means of time travel. AS it goes, I don't care when it's discovered, I just want someone to pick me up:)
Sam_Pike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making nuclear weapons illegal under U.N. law.
CallMeGroovy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the GOAT
commandermurph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting people to sustainably live on Mars!
rayburno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two chicks at once.
garua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and equality.
kookymonsterr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for cancer, of course.
plvs-vtra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyper-reality.
quinpon64337_x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
true ai
HungLikeAn_Ant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
djaybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism.
AlexPalkington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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AlexPalkington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It all starts with subtle changes to our attitudes...
phthalune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CLONES CLONES CLONES CLONES
nagarjunp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aircrafts that can take you across to the other side of the earth at a fraction of the time and cost. Imagine being able to travel from Paris to New Zealand in an hour and for $50! Everyone would get a chance to explore the world.
wretched77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense would be amazing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel or something which replaces the role of antibiotics.
The_Internet_Lurker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful communist revolution.
But i'm afraid that as long as the US exists and continues its imperialist policy that's gonna be hard.
another30yovirgin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole point of Marx's theory was that it was inevitable.
Porygod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A contact lens sized version of the Microsoft Halolens would probably do it for me, being able to visually and hopefully even physically interact with the virtual world in my opinion could boost the worlds economy and production efficiency. I would love to sit down with my kid wherever he is even if I'm in outer space to help him with his schoolwork. Things like that, but globally accessible. l have so many ideas for technology but idk what to do with them so most of the things I want to see might never happen because if I want most of these ideas to work they would need years of research, development, and lots of funding :/ good thing I'm still in my 20s though!
reflektorr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understanding the topology of the universe, if it is finite and what's "outside".
I know there are a few theories, but finding the actual truth would be the most interesting thing I can think of.
Unfortunately it is such a complex question that the chances we'll have an answer in the next decades (or ever) seem quite low.
Electroniclog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transference of consciousness to a computer.
Mindraker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Whirled peas."
Marazgon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of big pharma and big oil. They have kept this planet in the dark ages regarding clean, renewable energy and life giving cures for far too long.
MEMENARDO_DANK_VINCI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:28:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully armed and individually powered Mech suits
goodsirandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self driving cars being fully implemented in areas. I want to nap on my way to work
Buii3t-Sp33d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free and fast, unlimited internet, worldwide, without governmental or corporate censorship.
NiceGuyPreston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
this is a very wholesome thread, i hope many of these come to fruition
Lord-Octohoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People learning to drive in the rain.
djaybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of war.
Poorange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A progressive government would be nice.
_xXDeXXoNXx_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of what's in the Marianas Trench.
fadadapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human pregnancy able to be sustained in a lab rather than inside a body.
pugmommy4life420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure cancer. Fuck cancer!!
sfet89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm shooting low. I just want marijuana legalized nationwide for recreational use.
ilovevoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
welp :/ you might actually get that. I also fantasize of living in my retirement community and watering my pot plants right next to my tomatoes. :)
brianfernandop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability for space travel to become easier and less time consuming
Khlompur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Contact with intelligent life.
deanthecleanmachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a real penis enlarger
Acorbo22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean it's insanely minuscule on the grand scale but, I think it would be cool to see the Vancouver Canucks win a cup. There are fans who have lived and died Canucks fans their whole life and never got to see it. As a Canucks fan I think it would be cool to be part of the generation who actually gets to see it happen. There's much more I would like to see but this is just a small little thing a lowly BC guy wants to see.
mastercheeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All men being able to suck their own dicks. It would be a glorious achievement.
autistic-kid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That would be frightening and intriguing all at once.
fadadapple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thorium energy
IT_dude_101010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing baldness.
mrMalloc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonisation of space.
Clean water and food for everyone
Removal of several diseases
anoelr1963 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking coconuts is less stigmatized.
squishmaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Custom-designed cloned offspring would be cool - meaning using two parents' genes to clone "designer" children who are 100% their biological offspring. This would also allow gay couples to have children together, potentially.
BurstingFox9212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
teleportation
skunkmoor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind fornicating with space aliens.
youngpolviet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nervegear(but it won't toast your brain) And Augmented reality.
danhoyuen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
get rid of pain receptors.
History_911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This may sound corny, but I want to see a cure for childhood cancers. Lucky for me I have never had to deal with anything like that, but a friend of mine, his son is battling neuroblastoma. We do everything we can, I just would like to see the day a cure is found.
General_Jose_8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, humans reach mars would be pretty cool
romangopher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post scarcity society
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UBI
Grassyknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure all virus and bacterial illness.
LouQuacious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defeat superbugs, competent meteor detection, take control of climate change, Mars, self driving cars, super sexy robots.
Zer0megAlpha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI controlling governments.
thm1223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent colonization of either the Moon or Mars.
another30yovirgin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump leaving office
The_Monkeys_Uncle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:30:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completion of the Sagrada Familia, as far as i know its the longest active construction job and that'd be really beautiful to see completed. I got to visit last year and I was already blown away by it.
JTGhawk137 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel, but that's probably not ganna happen :(
Radekzalenka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Europa whales
SummonerRock1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for diabetes. This would alleviate the fear of it, especially if you have it in your family history.
_mynameis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guys. Immortality. None of you want it? I hope for that.
SirLithen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind living on other planets with commercial space travel. One can dream.
lycrea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The way to stop death, or the achievement of human life. Then perhaps I can finally stop wondering what'll happen to human history after I die.
Radingod123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a cure for AIDS and I think big pharma is getting close. There are a few of them racing towards a cure.
angryoldman97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you can be cured?
Radingod123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Of course. How else would you be able to stalk me from subreddit to subreddit to say dumb shit to me? Don't you have better things to do?
angryoldman97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do
Radingod123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good, then stop making your sister wait. Go get her champ.
angryoldman97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:09:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I prefer a good old fashioned coconut. What about you friend?
jesuisFLUB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see popular music based on musical talent again. In the 1920s-50s when jazz was insanely popular kids were inspired to play and every town had several bands. Now we have kids running around saying versace repeatedly and an assortment of rhythmic screechings
musicmastermike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
snagels
nuclearlemonade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We don't have to colonize by any means, but if we don't at least step foot on mars before I kick the bucket I would be very unfulfilled
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to see an orbiter mission like Cassini to the outer solar system - Uranus or Neptune.
I'd also like to see a real reduction (at least 25%) in nuclear warheads.
pessimistic_lemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for ageing.
because fuck getting old and dying.
yokozoko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space exploration. Get me the fuck out of this planet.
hoggernick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communication with dogs. I want to know what she's thinking about. I want to be sure she knows that I think she's a good girl.
patarandaya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to see everyone having free access to quality education one day.
h4z3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ubiquitous decentralized open-source world wide network, similar to ham radio and powered in someway by anyone able to connect.
cnanada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not as deep as others answers, but... Time travel
LoudMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, immortality would be nice. Then I'd get to see all achievements to come.
Or time travel. Then I'd get to see all achievements ever.
Waterfall13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone not fuck up whilst fucking a coconut
ilovevoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
teleportation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quรฉbec independance!
_IratePirate_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. I know it will happen in my life time. If not immortality, then cryogenics being widely accepted and funded. I know the things I really want to see in my life time won't happen, so I want to elongate my life so that I can see the vast advancements in technology and deep space travel.
Brownicus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to prolong life by putting our consciousness inside a machine
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here a list:
MVAnderson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:31:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A broad acceptance that not all social constructs are applied through force and that a good percentage of them reflect natural tendencies influenced by evolution.
GG_galaxii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time traveling
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bring back saber tooth tigers
Jajaninetynine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Galactic travel. It's unlikely, but I'd love to see it. If there is life out there, I think they have likely designated Earth as a restricted area to avoid disrupting primitive life, in the same way we corner off areas of the Amazon rainforest.
Id also like to see us finally discover how our own bodies work. I mean on a molecular level. Huge effort is going into this, it'll be interesting to see how far we get. The he more we know, the more diseases we can treat.
varster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That people would receive enough education so they would not give spoilers.
UtahJazz777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, ofc, then we can see inventions we can't even imaging right now.
The9thBitYT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's three big ones for me:
Widespread sustainable energy. The technology is ready, it's just that the economy isn't.
Commercial space travel. I'm going to be really sad if I don't ever get to go to space for at least a few moments.
Aging being "solved." I know this one is very unlikely, but I can dream can't I?
....but those are mostly just selfish hopes. Of course, I also want to see a cure for Alzheimer's, and reliable cancer treatment.
nastyhumans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A ban on the sale of flesh
Bagzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many people saying mars. I'd
Don't be afraid to dream a little bigger.
I want fucking faster than light travel.
Hopefully in 2043 someone accidentally stumbles on the surprisingly simple solution to FTL and I'm off jetting around in my sick space ship in my 70s some time in 2065.
kenne26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
BabyCrippler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for aging, so I can see all of humans future achievements.
youngpolviet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of youtube clickbait videos and jake paul.
hitman_99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fast space travel. I'm not talking about speed of light fast, I'm talking about reaching Andromeda in minutes fast.
Jinkzuk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like a turnaround on the consensus we're messing this planet up and we need to find another one to live on. If we can sort ourselves out, we'll never need to leave.
Balbonator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "sex-helmet" from Judge Dredd!
Tomboman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots with AI inteligent enough to serve us as perfect buttlers, yet not smart enough to dominate us.
wifespissed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wouldn't mind if someone found the cures for my cancers.
illBeWhiteBlack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleporting
nosnox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting a girlfriend.
rootednewt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First person on mars, can't wait
Saachhin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A little late to the party but immortality would be nice.
ButterflyKoi5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:32:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
planetary colonization would be pretty cool
Eukaryotic7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
world peace
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony
Unpacer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
imortality
4448144484 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland Browns Super Bowl Champions
sebastianKH339 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of artificial immortality, such as transference of consciousness into machine. And full immersion VR
JuneKat83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drones that can drop fast food through my sun roof while I'm driving down the highway, so I don't lose any time on a road trip.
Nurse_Nikky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
AverageJoe5555 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing cells and / or genes to prevent diseases. Also, reversing aging. (I'm old, so they better get cracking)
Otkast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A form of democratic world governement.
Soon-to-be-forgotten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe, learning that we all have our differences and, as long as they don't harm others, we should respect each other.
Instead of fucking killing each other for dumb reasons.
In summary: world peace
Reve_Inaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be cyborg. A artificial eye with a switch from uv to infra red or normal sight, directly connected to my brain, so good that I cannot see any difference between the quality of the fake and the normal eye.
Imightbenormal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self driving cars. Less deaths.
Papi007Julio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PEACE
Crockinator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the distinction between opinions and facts to be made.
Falas-cz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually unifying as a species into one form of goverment. That would probably help the most and help achieve the rest on this list a lot faster since we wont need to spend trillions on dick measuring contests between countries.
Cman1084 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To put an end to our federal reserve banking system.
DarkSoilder718 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First man on Mars. Space-X plans to have a human on Mars by 2035 I'm pretty sure. Maybe even sooner.
wowthisguyoverhere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone learn to fly.
2ndgrade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way to stay 25 forever.
runningforme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub 2 hour marathon would be amazing and a sub 2:15 for women.
Monochrome19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing in Mars
MilfAndCereal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kinda want those dream places from Inception to be a real thing.
BittenBagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see UFO disclosure and a welcoming into the Galactic family. Imagine the progress and sharing of information, science, and technology. It would be incredible!
SoCioPatH1C ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of nuclear warheads.
batmantogtoh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY SPACE COMMUNISM.
Stimming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars!
77ate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical cures made widely available instead of pharmaceutical companies taking the more profitable route of offering "management". Come on, how many HIV, cancer, Alzheimer's , etc, breakthroughs do we read about every week?
toastytree55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would really like to see a return to the moon and a moon base constructed. Also a manned mission to Mars.
Minaro_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MARS LANDING, I don't intend to die until we've landed a person on Mars and if NASA doesn't want an immortal person on their hands then they better get on the ball!
atreyufan86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lets be real here, a pill that actually makes your penis bigger
mantonyz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self sufficient extra-terrestrial colony
teryn2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another major space travel mission.
Tolkienside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full, non-surgical transhumanism. I'd love to see our bodies improved to the point of functional immortality through molecular nanotech.
Vindoga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sort of development in space travel.
giver_of_the_snark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figure out the avocado on burger conundrum. I love them on my burgers, but they're like fucking grease and make the patty slide all over the place.
EpicGnome23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A form of immortality. I don't care how it works except cybernetics or uploading your brain to computer. I want factual immortality
SpewPewPew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see Artificial Intelligence and reaching that point of singularity.
BasicBroEvan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of reaction videos
Grimoruminvoker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Parkinson , its hard to see your loved ones with parkinson , unable to eat or walk around on their own..
PHiZiX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboards. Real ones.
Timeless1ct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having more than 95% of Americans believing in SCIENCE, would please me, at this point.
Emz_1997 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to achieve happiness.
subtlesneeze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mutual
fuckingrespect man. I bet if people were to accept other people everywhere, they'd be less conflict worldwide.sagrr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more non-creative work. Everyone should be exploring the world, people, ideas, and art.
GemJack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for T1 diabetes would be very nice.
Azozel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The elimination of all human disease trough the use of CRISPR/Cas9 and Targeted Genome Editing, curing everything from colorblindness to autism.
linvmiami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of extraterrestrial life
nikjitsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump's impeachment and conviction of treason.
braceforimpact ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer and AIDS.
Z0di ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no hope we will solve the truly important issues.
I would like to see a global government or all nations agreeing to have population controls-- we can't sustain endless growth, and we should be making a lot more room for other species; not just humans.
splinterhood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All societies embracing science and wisdom. It will never happen, but things would be much better if values of those two things exceeded beyond personal entertainment.
somelikeityum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Organ regeneration through stem cells.
XcrystaliteX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck tinnitus.
super_banker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel !!
DesertCamo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:34:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us to transcend centralized governance and economic control and transition to a localized, open source governance. I would also like to see us become a Type 1 civilization as described by the Kardashev Scale.
shadowwolv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Mutjny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I'm just killing time until I can upload my brain into the computer.
Maverickki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me paying all my debts.
Alentheflannel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A manned mission into deep space
TantalizingVenom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of alieeeens
Unwieldedshield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonization
TheSirKim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human population down to 1/7. This place is really full. (Sry for the english).
big_time_banana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nonburnable toast
Prizefighter-Mercury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots being massed produced for labor which would cause a new economic paradigm
un-salt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For college and university courses or even just short courses to be free everywhere.
Drama_Derp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity.
njw7196 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone plugging in a USB on the first attempt.
-ICantThinkOfOne- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonization.
JacksSmirknRevenge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A truly free society.
However, given that that is unlikely, some more realistic achievements I want to see in my lifetime: a sane immigration policy in western countries, spending caps on government spending, and increased balkanization of political power.
HereticForLife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological or, hell, cybernetic immortality.
Incidentally, this would allow me to experience every other major human achievement.
pierco82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If it's any achievement than faster than light travel... I know it's literally impossible within the next 50 years or perhaps ever
nickfinnftw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to upload one's consciousness before death and live forever in a simulation
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer
yeezul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide peace. โฎ๏ธ
zombie_fletcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Then I can see all the rest of humanity's achievements in my lifetime.
Drayzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment of the 45th president.
Stoney-McBoney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us travel to another solar system in my lifetime. Fuck all this "find a cure" shit.
PsychWanderer67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An influx of well paying entry level jobs that don't require a college degree.
DPick02 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:35:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial pancreas.
Mavast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3
TheLoveBoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial general intelligence. Create a generally intelligent AI and you now have the means to solve nearly every other problem.
thirstyross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the destruction of the human race. odds are picking up!
vannon1306 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish me a real virtuel realtiy Like Sword Art online
fatty230 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully, but not probably not achievable is the ability to upload your mind up into a robot so people don't have to die. It might be selfish, but the thought of death just makes me shudder.
dildo_bandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every post being an OC.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding a new planet to migrate to. This one be fucked.
froboy456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for HIV/AIDS
diamondando ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone finding inner peace and love for one another <3.
DGDEAGLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full dive Virtual reality. Think Sword Art Online but without all the "trapped in a deathgame" stuff
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean drinking water for everyone. It's rather absurd that so many investments have been made to create iPhones for hudreds of millions of people, but there are still people who don't have access to clean drinking water. Wutt?
cake_pan_rs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial intelligence
joshsilvery11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find other life forms outside of Earth that we can communicate with.
Midgar-Zolom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing genetic conditions with genetic manipulation.
istalkerockers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing blindness! More specifically regenerating healthy eye cells for vision.
deutschepisan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for baldness. I would have the most luscious of locks that's fur sure.
DaftOnecommaThe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobots that I inject into myself so I can be super human. Sign me up for the trials pls.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Traveling to another solar system.
AcceptablePariahdom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tellomere therapy.
I'm not one of those people that thinks humans needs to just live for ever and ever and ever (I'm sorry, I know it's tempting, but that would lead to an even worse divide than the current class/race divides), but tellomere therapy/repair is the fastest way to prevent most types of cancer.
Rather than regular gene therapy that has to target a single type of cancer, it would prevent the degeneration of DNA that leads to cancer from word go.
Sadly, most types of congenital predisposition cancers wouldn't be affected, simply because that specific type of broken DNA is already part of the people that have it right from when they're born, not just because they age.
alecfuckinglopez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
let's go to mars!
cmcgunagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel would be pretty cool
propstothegast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life. Anyone who answers anything differently hasnt read the question....lol.
Earguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, it's over rated. And "Saint" Paul? That dude had some serious issues. Take his books with a healthy skepticism. And Judas got a bad rap.
propstothegast ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:38:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you live forever then you get to see ALL the achievements. ๐
softcatsocks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dinosaur cloning
InternetProp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity
Charlie_20_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I want is a massive push for space exploration (i.e. colonization of solar system) and strides in computing/tech in general
What we need is to end pollution and global warming which will in turn help humans (less pollution=healthier earth=healthier humans)
_Spynx_Matrix_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interspace travel or alien life. Either is fine. Just hope we start a war with them!
afreidin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
CreepellaGruesome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Treat animals with compassion and kindness and end animal cruelty.
More specifically: Treat pit bulls with love and stop the horrific abuse they suffer at the hands of humans.
DriftingSkies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a year where no countries are at war or otherwise engaged in armed conflict. I mean, yeah right, I know, but I'd like to think that it's at least not strictly impossible in theory.
drakanz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars instead wheel cars
FoolyValued ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Russia staying on their side of their borders
mekomillar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We had this discussion in the office the other week. One lad wanted to live forever. Like truly believed he could live through everyone dying around him time and time again, just to see how far we'd get as a species before it all went tits up.
Me, well I'd like to see us (humans) finally get to Mars and set up a colony. Getting there myself would be an added bonus.
Beetletoes672 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonization. Also, I do not want to die on Earth.
Summitjunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer...I lost 2 family members this year and possibly a friend in the near future.
DrewTearItDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True Space exploration. I want to see us travel towards distant stars and find other habitable planets.
imAvlasicMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a simple man...all I want is soap and deodorant that I can use til the last bit.
arades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on mars.
hermitsageMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be really interesting to see people augment themselves. Like gene editing so humans are more intelligent and stronger. It would also be cool to see people replace body parts with bionic limbs.
Basically it would be cool to see some artificial evolution of humans
j_mann7575 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say landing humans on Mars or discovering extraterrestrial life, but we have enough problems to solve down here. I want to see a cure for horrible diseases like ALS. An HIV vaccination would be great too.
sgtunix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The beginning of the terraforming of Mars. What else?
Danners35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely automate every job and thus live in a perfect utopian society where our robot slaves do everything for us so we can retire and do whatever we please
Forgottenpassword7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Myself squatting 405#s at under 185 body weight. I'm pretty selfish that way aren't I?
ADHDcUK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:36:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World fucking peace, and an end to rampant greedy capitalism (before the anti socialists freak out, I didn't say an end to capitalism. I want global democratic socialism mixed with capitalism).
TheThagomizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successfully cloning extinct species like the dodo, Carolina parakeet, giant moa, thlacine, etc. Probably not Mesozoic dinosaurs, although of course that would be the best. And before you start mentioning Jurassic Park, remember that in real life, Dinosaurs were just animals; none of them had super-intelligence or a specific taste for human blood.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see all Walmarts cease to exist.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Revision of the (American) English spelling system into some more predictable and consistent form. It's really not necessary but I just wonder how people would react to it.
Not my biggest hope, but I'm most curious about this one.
UofAMeAT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent cure for Alcoholism.
cant_think_of_one25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub-2 hour marathon
Panthertachi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to upload your consciousness to a computer. That or prosthetic limbs a la Deus Ex.
LOLrReD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for death
ChildishPilgrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, then I can see everything that comes after too
Fredde1909 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Esports= Olympia
Johnthedragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of life elsewhere in the universe
ThatGeek303 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us safely set foot on Mars. Knowing that was accomplished would mean monumental possibilities for the future and expansion of mankind.
omnichronos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reversing aging.
Sarcastic_Username18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering aliens.
funnyjake2015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for HIV
maggotbrownie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3.
New Tool album.
LarvaCunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vivid dream recordings that have no form of radiation or long term negative effects. Affects? One of those.
Acatinmylap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Then everything else.
Tokkemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion Power. SimCity said it should be here by 2050. I'm holding them to that!
michaelmvm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a bit late, but I'd like to see CRISPR being used and applied to cure basically every disease, extend human lifespan exponentially, and give us time to do all these other things in the thread.
DeifiedExile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whole brain emulation and/or mind and consciousness uploading.
kertuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space exploration past mars.
Door-Knoc-King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally would have to say I would like to see the end of old age or at least in mortality. I don't want to die in a hundred twenty give me at least six to seven hundred years hopefully by then i hope we have the cure for old age too.
paul_emploi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Food that doesn't have a huge cost on the environment to produce it.
SealIsDaDeal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Human landing on mars
AJohnsonOrange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People easily being able to suck their own dick.
I mean, I don't want to actually see it happening, but I think a lot of trouble would be resolved if men could do this with ease.
timski9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sense of community would be cool from humanity in general. That would be a pretty big achievement.
barzullian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see enough world teamwork to eliminate slums.
Omoitsurugi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world working together for the greater good...
Shmeckle445 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex-bots...for science
andrewjayd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breakthroughs in virtual reality technology that would allow me to explore digital worlds as if they actually existed. Total pipedream, but awesome nonetheless.
dillwiid37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion being extinct
Lazy-Autodidact ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The industrialization and democratization of African countries.
Saoshyant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terraforming, as an actual science done right. Not, not because of Mars or space colonization, because that's just a silly notion from people who don't understand how freaking large our solar system is. Several places in the world, including where I'm from in Europe, have a growing desert problem. A big one where every year the desertification of the soils just expand more and more. If we could fix that, we could likely also fix the remains of ancient forests like the Amazon or Indonesia's, or the coral reefs. I want to dream of a world like that.
usernamematesout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The population of Earth being under 3 billion, since most people move to Mars/elsewhere in space.
Also, all nukes leave Earth in a safe way, and are completely banned.
Piccolito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stop being selfish and stupid
spritanium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality via cybernetic implants, and a lack of scarcity allowing anyone to do whatever they want all the time
Unfortunately we're not getting there any faster as long as the you-know-which-party is in charge
Duspende ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:37:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transhumanism on a casual basis. People literally opting to have their limbs removed to be replaced with stronger and more efficient prosthetics. Deus Ex style.
Sign me the fuck up!
NCITUP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial intelligence at least equal to that of an average person.
tropical-me ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel.
NiceBreaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full brain machine interfaces. I wanna be a damned telepathic cyborg wizard already!
sashadkiselev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4K capable consoles /s
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Growing food at a scale similar to today but in a way that doesn't strip topsoil, kill insects, and make ocean dead zones.
TheRealMcglade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonisation of other planets, idk why it just reignites that sense of wonder and discovery which drives people to do/make great things. Unlikely tho...
Clever_Userfame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
Wilksk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see aliens
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world without religion, never going to happen in my lifetime but that's the one thing I would love to witness.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With the stuff about actually being able to detect gravity waves and all that, I'm hoping we'll be able to discover exotic matter and learn to use it, get some Alcubierre drives going and have true space travel be a thing. All it takes is the right discovery and we're off.
Sofa_King_True ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See a lot of decent ones ; cancer, water, food, fusion. I agree are more important than mine.
I would to see a room temperature super conductor .
jackity_splat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terraforming or FTL travel. I want to die knowing there's some hope for humanity. Even if it is just a second chance to screw up a beautiful planet. I assume there'll be at least one descendant of mine I would care about and want good things for.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human settlement of Mars.
That would be awesome.
AlfredBird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewable energy sources becoming the most common sources of energy.
ithinkoutloudtoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to have the same extremely fast Internet speeds covering the entire planet.
decaylols ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GOOOO TO MARSSSSSSSSS
d4dog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was 8 years old and I clearly remember watching the 1st moon landing on a black and white TV, absolutely firm in the belief that my future could be "off planet". As I approach retirement I cannot help but wonder what lack of political will happened to the dream. I hope that we find the desire to go back up there.
Jayfive5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
oximoron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anti-aging vaccine
valponative ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Footsteps on Mars would be cool.
Psycho1985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion, it'll be a start of the new golden age leading to Federation being formed and humanity exploring space!! :-)
warlock1809 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, I think it is within reach and will be achieved in my lifetime.
planktivious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The human race finding redemption for past planetary transgressions.
X9Squared ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology.
0SpaceGhost0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colony on Mars
superEpicRedditBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
theCHAMPdotcom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stem cell research advancement to cure plethora of disease.
Summitjunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:38:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of Racism
Annoyed_Rhino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a boy to swim faster than a shark
mylifesucks-mls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation on a global scale. To me that would prove that we have reached a whole new level of scientific discovery.
Legoman128 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel open to the public, or at least a man on Mars
Meta_Man_X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fuck ton of frogs reaching the top of Reddit all time.
KingKillerKvvothe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just think, in 150 years every single person who is alive right now will be dead.
Daiguren_Hyorinmaru_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is obviously bullshit but see energy can neither be created nor be destroyed so this thought has made me question the existence of souls. If something beyond our understanding exists, I want to know humans finally scientifically found some solution to the mystery. My wishes are kind of emotionally affected. I had someone I loved die right before my own eyes. I refuse to believe that they are not with me anymore. Also I don't want any convincing made up story that they have moved to after life or something. I don't even want to hear that they will live on in my heart forever. I do love them more than I ever have loved myself. So if it's scientifically solved - the reincarnation topic, I would breathe a sigh of relief and hope to meet my beloved ones again.
Extremely sorry if this comment offends people with the mindset that's more oriented towards science but the loss I experienced is devastating and I wouldn't mind the whole world standing against my beliefs.
hucklebberry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars and affordable space tourism.
Aspriet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete cure for any type of cancer
helpmewithaname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not really a human achievement, but i'd love it if we managed to make contact with aliens
Just think of the history, science, technology, music, philosophy, religions, customs, and traditions they'd have, and all the things they'd share with us
Draxar112987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For humanity to give up being a savage race of man. To become United and work for the common good of all man kind.
To achieve contact with other worlds (I believe they're out there) to create cures for all deadly viruses.
If anything at the very least, being able to 3D print human tissue. So we can 3D print organs for Man, women and especially children. If we can manage to do this at the very least. Then we can prolong life as we know it today. Of course diseases that affect the brain would still be a issue. However other organs could be replaced with new ones and waiting on someone else to die would be a think of the past.
Ooo an before I forget, a newer way for colonoscopies. I'm fairly certain most people don't want someone to boldly go where no one has gone before.
Yes I'm aware some people have had that happen but I'm sure they would prefer a more modern technique that doesn't include the current an old technique
ailee43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computing, and faster than light travel.
One is possible, the other is extremely unlikely.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the world to get better.
PeculiarPie29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for all cancers would be amazing.
EbonShadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shift to a new global economic system not based on infinite growth with finite resources. Religion dying would be nice too.
nursepurple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Development of an effective, nonaddictive pain medication and a good course of treatment for opioid addiction.
BeMoreLikeJames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone beating 9.58s in 100m with no drugs. Seems unlikely.
Summitjunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
eating_your_syrup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring out a sustainable way to stop global warning.
backfedar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First person to swim across the Pacific
Puffymagic7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A room temperature superconductor. I wanna have flying cars and perfect circuits
SoulRedemption ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For people to learn the difference between belief and fact, while respecting each others beliefs.
ToniT800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human first step on Mars. I am 30 now; i guess I have good chances to witness this event.
thrashglam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to dream big about this, like colonize the Moon or Mars, or cure cancer. Now I just want us to stop bickering among ourselves long enough to work towards protecting the planet. Right now money is the primary goal, fuck all future generations. :(
Summitjunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High yield crops in arid locations
domine18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone moving beyond petty differences and working together for a better future ( sorry for sounding like a beauty pageant contestant)
TriniumSeven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I totally want to see the Alzheimer's cure, no doubt, and some of the other suggestions here are top notch too, but, I would trade all of them for seeing permanent settlement on the Moon and Mars in my lifetime. When I was younger, I couldn't even imagine that 2010 would come and go with no man walking on Mars. Now I am hoping that it happens by 2040. Becoming a Multi-Planet Species is a must for our species and Civilization to Transcend to the next level and for my money is the most important undertaking that humanity has ever faced.
stolid_agnostic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aids would be nice.
kathleenclassic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real Back to the Future hover boards.
amuzmint ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More solar panels.
DankerOfMemes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me losing my virginity.
rayden202 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gl
Plasma-Stream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end the suffering that goes into many of our meals
____AsPaRaGuS____ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see interstellar travel
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a post-scarcity economic model.
Most of what we consume now is media, or digital.
Our economics in the US and other places seem driven by ignoring that key difference.
What happens to supply and demand when supply is infinite?
I would like to see us answer the question.
Sportsplease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully autonomous cars. I've almost died twice from other drivers at fault I'd feel safer on the road if I knew every car was going to actually fucking stop at a stop sign
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instant global destruction
CompMolNeuro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a worldwide effort to reverse or mitigate climate change. Either that or a viable colony on Mars or the moon so I can emmigrate.
reversechinlock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A serious medical breakthrough, be it cancer, Alzheimer's, or MS.
Sentient_Atom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable thorium salt nuclear reactors, augmented on a transcontinental grid by solar; hydro; geothermal; and wind. And a solution to desalination on a large scale. And also closed system skyscrapers for agriculture.
oneweirdglobe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A full-on cure for diabetes. Wife is diabetic.
Cartetro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's an incredible long shot but I would be very happy if immortality is figured out.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer. World peace. No more currency, just utopian society stuff. The ability to go to mars like its McDonalds around the corner.
uberphaser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ctrl-f racism
0 of 0
Sigh.
OctopusButter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel of any kind. I dont have to be in the ship, but if I could be alive to at least see the headline that we left our solar system and successfully arrived at any alien planet system. I mean come on, going to mars is ridiculously cool, but imagining the possibilities of the unknown just beyond our star system fascinates me... I mean it would most likely be more dust and rocks with nothing on them, but who knows what we could find on a whole freaking planet...
anonyrattie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable high tech society that isn't abusing the earth or other humans.
cosmopolitaine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic Human Rights For Everyone.
Hypetrain101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a third world war not to happen. I do mot want to be part of it, I don't want my children to be part of it. And god I hope I don't want my grand children to be part of it.
Ted_Denslow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit, I just want to see the Blues win a cup.
jasonbrown23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a artificial intelligence with human capabilities would be amazing.
ravsubbarav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grow back balding hair without all the side effects...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Nnn654 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An exponential change for the good of everyone that would be small and agreeable
Abzolute123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
MowMdown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer that doesn't involve chemo...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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patriot_1911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chappy has already done this
liquen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution for the P = NP problem.
Samuris27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting some of us to Mars.
thelordfarquaad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. That could come in handy.
KosstAmojen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baldness. The conspiracy theorist in me already thinks it exists, but the drug companies are making too much off hair loss prevention instead.
Seventytvvo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercially viable fusion energy.
badchad65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a human on Mars.
GetRekdDotCom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guy Fieri becomes president.
WorbianBrownia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Change of tired and stale political systems to something that is more universally beneficial.
greglyda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transportation via molecular energy separation
mutantsloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abject poverty solved
coffinfleet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
denuclearization
mikerophonyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of money.
crinkleberry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
6 foot dong
cliff99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
solo118 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of Cancer and all sorts of other diseases.
reddittothegrave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer
sparriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post scarcity society.
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to structural poverty, universal basic income etc.
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 09:38:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to socialism and communism would be up my alley.
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:44:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you honestly so pathetic that you just follow me around reddit? Jesus christ bojkie get a life
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:08:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Are you honestly so pathetic that you think communism can work? Jesus christ bojkie read a history book.
And no, I just took 1 minute to check your history when I stumbled across you shitting up Reddit in /r/technology about the Google memo firing nonsense.
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:11:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So yes. You are.
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:19:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, my poor feels. I'm literally shaking with tears right now. /s
Every comment belittling the insane ideology that is communism is one that contributes towards the greater good.
fishbowliolio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:25:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess you didn't see my karma then. Seems like folks generally appreciate it. Who would have thought?
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:29:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Funny, but you still shouldn't quit your dayjob.
fishbowliolio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:37:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What? My day job organizing unions?
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:42:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You shouldn't quit your dayjob for stand-up comedy is all I'm saying.
So you're a union organiser? In my experience, those who manage unions tends to be highly corrupt and screw over the workers. You are secretly a pawn of capitalism aren't you? Couldn't resists the grease, hey?
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Now look, I know you're South African and you likely have some Afrikaner blood in you, and I know I shouldn't make fun of people for their genetic handicaps, but do you know how the "don't quit your day job" line actually works? I see that you put blame on literally the only people responsible for your freedom and liberty to post comments online. I'm really feeling bad for picking on your intelligence, but god's sake man I thought you spoke English.
Also, do you actually have any experience being unionized or is it all what you read on Infowars?
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:00:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bzzzt Wrong already. Thank you, try again.
Don't pretend you have more than 5 braincells. If you did, you wouldn't support the most evil form of government that has ever existed.
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:01:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ah, so you're not even South African, that makes sense
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:11:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, I'm not an Afrikaaner. Learn to fucking apply some comprehension. It will do you wonders in life when you are able to read a sentence and understand it correctly.
Maybe if you improve you comprehension skills, you could go back and read all that ideological communist bullshit and realise how fundamentally flawed it all is. Central planning doesn't work. Centralisation of power leads to corruption. You communists are too fucking stupid to take human nature into account, instead subscribing to blank slate theories, and you all think we can all just circlejerk all day because the state will provide. Get real.
Also, you're not a South African, pipsqueak. So I'd suggest you go back to /r/Canada and/or /r/Berlin and self-segregate yourself there. ;)
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:14:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh no! The dreaded human nature argument! My ideology whithers!
I love the hypocrisy on my expat status. Every dutchman and rock in South Africa blabs about how they want to leave, yet once you leave you're not South African anymore. Unless you hate blacks, then you're welcome any day of the week
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:21:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh wow, a fucking meme. What an argument. Good lord, that sure showed me! Try making an argument instead of just spewing more ideology, Robin.
Seriously look at Venezuela you moron and take a second to think about what kind of cancer you are advocating for. Just stop. Communism and socialism are evils. You are either evil or delusional. I'm leaning towards completely delusional since you fail at comprehension.
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:24:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought you might like it because, like your worldview, it is a childish cartoon. It is, however, direct Marxist ideology and explains exactly what human nature actually is. Find a better argument.
Venezuela is a social democratic regime, try again.
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:42:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human nature is the government stealing from the poor because they fucking can and because power corrupts. Human nature leads to the formation of hierarchies. You truly know nothing, you babbling child. Grow the fuck up.
Of course this would be your response. How typical. Communists and socialists are truly pathetic. Every time your bullshits fails, you claim it was something else. Dishonest, if you ask me.
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:46:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
~200 people own, today, over 80% of the country's wealth. That wouldn't fly under any socialism. You are aware that there's different brands of socialism right? IE Trotsky, Mao, Lenin.
You really can not, in any honest sense, claim any specific character traits are part of every human's natural drive, across time or space
Edit: I wouldn't claim that human nature makes people socialist, even though collective labour, communities, and cooperation were necessary to pull us out of the darkness
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:55:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But
Your arguments are laughable. Please be consistent.
Yes I can. Power corrupts all humans. Your government needs a ruling class even if it's only on the path to "True Stateless Communism". Your rulers will fuck you over like a good little pawn. Communism and socialism fail time and time again because of massive concentrations of power leading to massive amounts of corruption, it's that simple.
fishbowliolio ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:57:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
... Luxemburg ...
Edit: I'll be nice and add Rosa for you because I know this can be hard
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:05:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, Rosa-Luxemburg-Platz is a place. But do you actually have a point?
I'll have a go: ...Barcelona...
Vietnam. Viborg. Sydney...
This is fun. /s
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Read again
FeeFeeWarrior ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 12:15:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try making a point first.
fishbowliolio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:43 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sigh Guess I gotta do all the heavy lifting, isn't that how South Africa was built in the first place? Making others do the work for you? Here is an example of a social democrat who is part of the canon of socialism, thought you could have found her with the clues I gave you but that was too much to ask
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg
mroutdoors44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligence and compassion
DaBawse123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
US winning a World cup or MLS being the best league in the world
Gravey4rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:42:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of an earthlike planet. Oh boy that would be super awesome
Quake006 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cerebral palsy.
goaliemom28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer and no more animal abuse!
IeuanHa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a sustainable manned settlement on Mars.
ZneasNavi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Penis enlargement... for a friend.
YungWhale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hyperloop!!
Marctones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyborg knees so I can play soccer again :(
Johnnygnargnar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of prohibition.
misterguydude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Industrial space mining.
I know it sounds lame, but that will be the first step in getting off-planet. We need this!
troyfreeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding extraterrestrial life
anewsubject ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. I'd love to see family across the country on any given weekend or travel around the world with my wife.
feronen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful Mars colonization.
Earguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For me in my field, it'd be curing hearing loss - hair cell regeneration - and curing tinnitus. If I could do that I'd win a Nobel prize.
BrosettaStone7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Factory farming animals go the way of the dodo
gmurop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be nice to know why are we here and what is all this life about? The is the reason and the end of everything? All the other stuff is only in order to survive, but what is really life?
Ludiks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality for anyone :]
ConstipatedUnicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some cooperation on making our impact on the environment less. And people just cooperating in general...
someth1ng_au ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm in research (chemistry) so I'd like to see us be able to fully understand the DNA language and how to vary it to prevent genetic diseases. I'm in catalysis so I'd like to see us master how to completely control chemical reactions for selectivity and rate.
brofesor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel.
Trancespire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interact with sentient alien life.
DirstenKunst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
marcagio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
justice for all, love over money, etc.
inklfink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immorality. Then, every single one after that.
profile_this ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:43:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialized programs ran by competent people. Imagine a world where quality transportation, telecom, and healthcare are provided close to cost.
Of course this means we'd have to get rid of a lot of greedy fucks, but I think we can manage without them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when technologies (technique to solve problem) go out the market that increase the lifespan of human being.
TheKingOfCurtopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free cheeseburgers!
Sojio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First brain to computer interfacing.
I have semi-lucid dreams 90% of the nights i sleep, some act out like blockbuster movies and i just want to see them with my waking eye rather than my minds-eye.
hallow26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time Travel
TheKingOfCurtopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You typed that 50 years ago.
Kroonay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone knocking Anthony Joshua clean out.
XanthousRebel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interplanetary colonization.
NewAgeKook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for all mental illness and handicaps. I hate seeing people limited in what they can do by what they cannot control. Life isn't fair =/.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World war 3
itsallgonetohell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would to see mankind break the lightspeed barrier. Sigh. I know already that there're astrophysicists who will adroitly point out that it isn't possible, yadda-yadda... I get that. When I say "break," I mean actually to circumnavigate it. The Albucurrie drive is the most likely option, duhhh, but I digress.
I would love to see us do that, and- concomitantly- be welcomed into the galactic community, as it were. If we're to believe the current state of propulsion technology as it is disseminated to the masses, then I'd figure that breakthrough to be in the next two to three hundred years, which sucks for me. It's possible that we've already either retro-engineered that tech from alien wreckage or artifacts, or even have been given the technology outright through a peaceful accord with an interstellar species in our galaxy or beyond, but for it to be accessible to the masses in any way the technology will have to be made known to the masses, so it goes back to my original prediction of a quarter millennium, which- as aforementioned- sucks.
oldyharnam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for epilepsy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonisation of another planet. I know it's not that high on humanity's 'to do' list, but I like the idea of dying in the knowledge that my ancestors may have a chance elsewhere if we truly fuck up earth for them, which we almost certainly will.
HaywireIsMyFavorite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fembots.
the_stone_mason ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability for all humans to coexist in peace
gravitas-deficiency ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asteroid mining/orbital industry. That's how we'll get to build cheap(ish) spaceships!
EnsonAmata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see a cure for a disease that ruins children's lives - like Cystic Fibrosis.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
same sex marriage legal in Romania
ameya2693 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. So, I can be, well, immortal.
singularitybot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation & 3D printing out of atoms.
avatarpbst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial, affordable flights to the edge of space and back. If we want to survive as a species, we need people to get the kind of global awakening and sense of fragile home in a vast cosmos experienced by most astronauts.
Redman152 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with friendly alien life...
I know it's more than likely that any alien species would be hostile towards us, but wouldn't it be cool if we had something the aliens desperately needed, and the aliens had something we desperately needed, and we set up interplanetary trading. Man that'd be cool
thispluto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea liberated
Tiffany094 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer/HIV and AIDS, an end to world hunger, clean water to be accessible to all. There's a long list but those are my top.
StateChemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MOON BASE
Seriously mars is all the rage these days and the moon isn't as cutting edge but seriously build a freaking settlement up there, use it as a low grav spaceport where we can go everywhere else from.
lupanime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"A Dream of Spring" by G.R.R.M.
PeytonRoyce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A guy jacking off on the moon
sajid786farz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in the sky Colonization of another planet OR some Bioshock type cities
triplemedot3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on another planet...aka Mars
mig001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
warp drive
ZeeZeeX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offence, but how many more billions and how many more decades before we can cure breast cancer? We did everything right, but she is still dying.
cosmicartery ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd to see us take care of our own before we make first contact.
catchyphrase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Who gives a shit about Mars and cancer. Gimme pizza and chocolate with the nutritional value of spinach and broccoli.
Novacryy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with another intelligent species. Probably won't ever happen tho..
LeCucumber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think the end of plastic production would be nice. Of course, Iโm not knowledgeable about how that could happen or if itโs feasible but the oceans are covered in it and I was just taking a walk near my own home yesterday and just saw loads of plastic litter. I never paid that much attention until now and itโs a disturbing site! Made me aware of how much plastic I use every day.
yagidy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UBI
spookyjohnathan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/239/269/65d.jpg
boomtnt46 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We are a interplanetary specie.
amboyscout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full dive virtual reality
Alekillo10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Baldness and or Cancer, at least vitiligo.
IronhideD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobot medicine. Tiny machines you can inject in to your body that can repair or repel any infection, disease, defect, injury, or genetic damage. Science fiction has given us some terrifying futures like the "grey ooze" consuming all but I would like to think we would be have stronger safeguards that would protect us from anything like that happening.
CaptRory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
ProScarecrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The legalization of marijuana in all the states
Tacothechihuahua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pancreas stimulator so we can all have fast metabolisms.
hoblittron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exploring 100% of the earth. Oceans included, we haven't even been to some of the deepest parts!
darrenkirana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonies, goin out of this little prison called the milky way, and hopefully put of this supercluster, meet aliens whatever form it is. Thats why I wanna live forever...
JackieWaste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A microwave that will evenly cook multiple hot pockets simultaneously.
ashfreee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a real man as lifetime partner to be my companion. Who will accept me with all of my flaws.
cocoabiscuits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for ALS aka Lou Gehrig's disease. It would be amazing if my wife could be cured and back to 100%. Until then life will continue to be cold and cruel for those who suffer any disease and cancer and if there is a God he can suck my dick.
unfitforoffice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel. Catch all the founders of religions doing parlour tricks. Use modern technology to impress people. Create own religion.
CafeFreche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for type 1 diabetes
Arvidex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wold peace!
wkrausmann ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending the use of fossil fuels entirely.
Electric cars and solar and wind powered homes.
Technology is getting cheaper to power your homes with solar power. Go into Home Depot and see Solar City there ready to sell you a solar array. Electric cars are also dropping in price. You can power your car for a few bucks and get 60-100 miles per charge.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For porn to stop buffering at the worst parts.
fadeawayJoel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with Aliens ๐ฝ
a_tiddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man successfully fucking a coconut.
fikri01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for tinnitus
Ampix0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars but I feel like that's less likely now than when I was in middle School. If we go to the moon again I'll be happy
pm_me_gnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see an NFL game end 2 - 0 in overtime.
Minitell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:46:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The complete eradication of all religion.
ItsMeBounce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to a ride a fully functioning Hyperloop before I die
RandyLahey_Sunnyvale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the Drug War. This will let humanity focus resources on things that are actually important rather than suppressing them; and for many, boost human morale.
thatgoodfeelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
replaceable limbs (as an upgrade, not out of necessity, kinda like laser eye surgery).
Selisho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
real hoverboards.
vizene420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for cancer.
jaybird1905 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercialized artificial organs that I can buy and swap out when I get old so I can live forever.
Jupiter20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rise of general AI... That's got to be spectacular in one way or another...
Boulder122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Talking Animals
sneakyxxrocket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deextinction becoming a thing for the animals that humans have hunted to extinction or by destroying their habitats. But we can leave the dinosaurs as fossils.
nicebonestew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon landing.
Corr521 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy and every car being power by some form of "green" energy as well.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligence to rise enough that fucking coconuts while playing with fidget spinners isn't a thing....
the_chilean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolition of global warming emissions
OffPanther ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
(Somewhat) Widespread colonization of other planets. Hopefully we don't fuck those over too.
SgtBinary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure to aging.
The_Him ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be cool if we could go a day without hearing the 'N' word.
Some_Weeaboo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:47:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a man on Mars. I'm fully confident i'll see it before I die, but i'd rather see it before 2020.
tomasghk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
cdiesch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first colony on another planet.
Rocklobster92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holoshed
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to teleport to the next galaxy to see friends and family or go on vacation. Ya know? The usual.
kidwifi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs
kek_mit_uns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for senescence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holografic keyboards. Can't wait to pretend to be a technomancer
party58965 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. Happening to a lot of people that are really close to me and I just want to see cancer end
Odin_Exodus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on mars.
Cure for cancer.
Tsuumz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL mode of transportation.
Bryggyth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not sure it's an achievement, but I really hope we create full-immersion VR before I die. Then I could basically live in a world completely of my own design!
ArcNoculus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colon-izing Uranus.
ZHughesii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion to be no longer followed.
ItsTheNuge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Health and science advances would indeed be nice, but honestly I just want the people of the future world to have a less greed-centric M/O in all things. Consumers, corporations, government agencies, we can all do our part to help others but we have to get treasure-laiden high horses.
EricMory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion as an energy source
SupremeDictatorPaul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power
Reactionless propulsion drives
Interactive neural implants
Alzheimer's cure
Organ cloning
LaVidaYokel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curiosity replacing consumerism as the primary driving force behind our momentum as a species.
pilot_error ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with an extra-terrestrial intelligence.
StinkyMulder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have a disease, where my body has basically attacked and killed all the nerves in my esophagus and lower esophageal sphincter. So when I eat my food just falls down and builds up in my esophagus rather than passing through to the stomach. I'm really looking forward to lab grown organs. I could really use a new esophagus.
4skinlicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most blowjobs in a single sitting
iEatPorcupines ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advanced VR where you barely tell the difference between real life and VR. Basically the Matrix. Just imagine how amazing VR would be in say 50 years? 50 years ago video games were well awful. Now they have insane graphics and depth.
NotTodaySatan1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Combating global warming and environmental pollution, whether that's through altering our current practices or making some kind of groundbreaking scientific discovery.
JesterRaiin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of organized religions.
I have nothing against people believing weirdest shit, it's massive cults and sects led by manipulative clerical castes that bother me.
PalebloodSky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WindParticle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last murder
Stawberryletter23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maximum wage caps and a more shared wealth.
Nobody deserves a million a week or needs more than a couple of thousand.
alvaro811994 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer, or at least a vaccine
anuja_sarode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for vitiligo. My mum has it and i have witnessed her getting bullied for that. Though it did not affect her physically but mentally.
OneSexySOB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decentralized internet
lightrider44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Implementing a resource based economy.
dralcax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mobile Suits
dourazel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The beginning of the implementation of a dyson sphere is one that I would love to see but will be long dead before it happens.
HobbyHands ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal quality education.
iGotTheApp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this isn't a big deal but I'm pretty excited to say I watched the Chicago Cubs win the World Series and break the curse.
ZoneFive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full Communism
Choosecharmander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cruelty free meat?
jahnbanan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DXGypsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of political correctness
jleondude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of student loans
FacePunchThor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be the first person to fuck an alien.
camboramb0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to digitize the human brain and put it into a robot. I have a dreams of being a lonely robot on a planet.
vsbobclear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for most diseases
Elimination of human and animal exploitation
DaisyHotCakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be great if people of the world could move beyond religion. It's done nothing but hold us back as a species. I know it won't happen before I die, but I can still hope.
CxInTheChatBoys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me maxing my runescape account
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to witness the apocalypse
Havokpaintedwolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want to live to see humans colonize another planet even if its just the moon id love to spend my final decades (im assuming this gonna happen when im like 70) on the first off world human city
smarkhaven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
flying cars. dumb dream I've had since i was a kid that's never faded
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for HIV/AIDS and Cancer.
I want them to be as treatable as a common cold.
LukeyShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the theory of relativity to be merged with the quantum theory
itzbirne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Potato chips, that dont get you greasy hands.
MikeTeezyT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I donโt want to die until we put a man on the Sun
Jay911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If you volunteer, could make both of those happen at once.
InsulinJunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Type 1 Diabetes. I hate it. I hate having it. I hate it.
PineappIeOranges ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing our oceans. Bringing corals back, sharks, whales, etc. Eradicating lion fish from the US.
Ocean Stuff, and rivers too.
BullsLawDan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is the top answer anything other than discovering a way to extend life indefinitely???
LandoVonDoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reversal of Male Pattern Baldness.
Que_n_fool_STL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Ulcerative Colitis/Crohn's Disease and Mars colony.
Derrath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really simple, and some places have it, but a universal minimum wage (everyone gets paid enough to live on, regardless of their situation)
dunununubatman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. I feel like we are right on the cusp of either evolving into machines or altering our cells to constantly regenerate.
gofiguree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Single Payer Medical in America!
dudefaceguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understanding consciousness. This is the only human achievement I really want to see, some time before the inevitable heat death of the universe. I want us to understand what we are.
NVRLand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autonomous cars. I know that we are almost there right now. But I want to be able to sit in my car, fall asleep, and wake up on the other side of the planet if I want to. I want that level of autonomy.
severed13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A dyson sphere
Fucking fascinating the whole concept is
Or at least witness humans become a stage 1 civilization
I_Main_TwistedFate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel and colonizing other planets.
voidesque ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
Cheeze_It ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Fusion
FireMammoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global legalisation of marihuana
TheDrambus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the entire world unite and realize we're all the same, but we look and sound different based on where on the planet we are from. It's silly we can't all realize we're on a tiny piece of dirt in a vast universe. We should pool all our efforts to make the world a better place instead of a place of chaos.
I know I sound preachy, but come on.
MasterYizy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No death run of dark souls
RheagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolishment of money! A time where everything we do is for the advancement of humankind without dependency on how much we can get paid and everyone on the planet works on equal terms. Every job is equally important from the person who works in the field to the person who has to make decisions as head of a company.
Kalzenith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding the great filter
TerrorSnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL. Anything faster than light. Just anything. Something that utterly breaks and improves our understanding of physics. That's why I wanna become a scientist and help explain the unknown.
hirshal1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the DFS sale
gaprmaka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two things
1) Quantum computers which can help to aid further advancement in physics and medical sciences. 2) Artificial organs through the advancement of induced pluripotent stem cells and 3D printing technologies.
faiz-saad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
berserk mnga finished
mxiao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A breakthrough in science that benefits the entire human race like finding out we're not alone in space or even time travel. For real, I'm offended that my future grandkids haven't visited me yet.
CLEARLOVE_VS_MOUSE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
motherfuckin moonbase
octopodesrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to malaria.
Watch Africa kick ass with it's economic development and end the greatest killer of humanity.
Check out Kurzgesagt on this subject.
KingKado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breaking the 2 party system in US government
ashplowe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of poverty
SPACEMANSKRILLA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End to war.
HeretoLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Whether it's some sort of cell treatment to maintain flesh or my soul in a robot I would love to see that.
RedditConsciousness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
San Junipero
Code_Rage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Id like to see religion debunked so I can shove it down my moms throat like her and ever religious person tries to do to me with me.
And im ready for hoverboards
winwar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humane ending to stray animals
jamminjon82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Repair hearing loss.
JoshSellsGuns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global Thermonuclear Warfare
The_Billyest_Billy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Logical thinking/questioning of religion by every human on the planet.
I'm not asking for it to be eradicated, I just want everyone to think about it in a scientific way, not using "faith" as the answer. If religion survives that test, so be it.
I also want to add a a full scientific education for everyone on the planet... I'm sure there are geniuses out there in third world countries that go by undiscovered all the time.
TalksInMaths ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable civilian space travel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:51:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for death
helzinki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lower the earths temperature.
PhoenixRacing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily FOR humans, but I've lost 2 rescue cats to F.I.P. and would love to see a cure for that sometime in the near future.
ooryl2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring being published.
ididntshootmyeyeout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal marijuana
osiris2735 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income
kj4ezj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global adoption of microgrids (small, localized utility grids where most buildings have their own small source of power, water, and heat, global adoption of geothermal energy, and ubiquitous Internet access.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean high efficient power generation. Like sci-fi level type power. I swear it'll either be world peace or one last good one.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
vivalarevoluciones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Science .
TTG300 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
jessefurnari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars. What an incredibly important and monumental milestone for the entire existence of humans that will be.
UAJZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decency
DianaSynta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People eat less meat or just pay more for it. So animals can actually be animals and not "things" in a factory.
Improve1Percent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
According to the Global Economic Forum, Wars cost us 13.6 Trillion $ in 2015. That's just in 1 year!
What terrible disease could've been cured already?
How many under privileged kids could have gone to bed with a full stomach already?
Could we have already colonized Mars?
What else can be we achieve if only...
vitoriobt7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering the elixir of immortality 9_8
ImprezivEJ20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
after scrolling down... saw many close one but not exacty
SPACE COLONIZATION and the ability to easily mine a planet for it's resources.
this seems inevitable on this finite rock
WalicKonia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maple leafs winning the cup.
SerialandMilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to upload my consciousness into some sort of computer to become part of a worldwide collective consciousness.
pleasedothenerdful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:52:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinical immortality.
hoemro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solution for the P=NP problem.
GingerJoshua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator
MrTCT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Huntington's disease. My mom and sister both have been diagnosed with it and there is a 50% chance I have it. I'm getting tested in about a month. So it would be a dream come true if they found a cure or even a way to treat the symptoms better then they already have.
bachh2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We reach for the star. At least create a base on Mars for long term mission.
LowBalanceAlert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decency
Nighthawk403 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breaking the 2 hour marathon in a legit race. Kipchoge was 25 seconds off with Nike even though it wouldn't have counted. People thought the 4 minute mile was impossible and now high schoolers are doing it. It's pushing the human physical limit, but I believe it's possible.
beast-freak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalization of psychedelics and further research into their use in treating psychological disorders.
mush0823 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
57 game hit streak in MLB (ain't gonna happen)
Giancarboltz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free healthcare
kingpin_dxb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace in the middle east
Ufachotchin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My top 3: 1. Marathon under two hours under legit circumstances. (No drafting behind vehicles and no rabbits unless they also run the full race and just drop off at the end) 2. Moon colony or even just prolonged stays on the lunar surface akin to the ISS. 3. Cures or vastly improved treatments for cancer and Alzheimer's.
feldon0606 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us to achieve an age of unparalleled abundancy and wealth where war, famine and shitty soap operas are a long forgotten horrors.
hicaku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life so i can live forever and eat hot dogs forever
tetheredtotheleather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theory of everything!
Hybridxx9018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real AI and virtual reality.
VR mmo and I'll be able to have a good ol time at the age of 80 or something.
groorgwrx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars.
imbetter_thanyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:53:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots
Takemetoyourmaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Supersonic commercial travel...imagine traveling across the Atlantic for a lunch break
ShadowFax00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing the moon and/or mars. The whole idea of space travel and becoming a multi-planet species is just fascinating to me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living on the mars (or the moon)
jwittek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of another planet
tax1999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where's my fucking hover board
ElMachoBoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Both North Korea and South Korea uniting into one nation peacefully
Dr_N0rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
Tamaspetii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
MunkeyChild ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on mars would be awesome.
But reading all of the comments above I realise how fucked my priorities are...
orgyinthepark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain upload
arimill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope I live long enough to see a Theory of Everything in my lifetime. That would be the greatest triumph of physics ever.
Volesprit31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seing the first colony on Mars, that would be the first step towards bigger scale space travel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a clean renewable energy source either discovered or created. It will allow the human race to move onto other important issues.
a_y_l_m_a_o_o_o_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A female president.
Nemam11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the lawyers being kicked out of governments and have science put behind the wheel for starters.
PistachioPlz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind-body transfer, cloning and memory storage.
Back up your mind every few days. If you die, or when you choose (old age getting hard?), transfer your mind to a clone body.
Or if I can only pick one: Immortality with the option of suicide lol
And_The_Full_Effect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding other life in the solar system
Stawberryletter23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also take profit out of medicine.
throwawayandtakeback ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to immortality. Transfering consciousness to a computer, solving the telomere problem, putting your brain in a mechanical or other body, etc.
KakarotTheHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:54:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful coconut fucking.
CourierOfTheWastes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Epistemic Responsibility being effectively taught in schools.
Everything valid on this list stems from here.
Akiram ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality for everyone.
J_Gold ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 9 second 100m would be cool
Teeks6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The finale of Rick and morty season 3
Trickform ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get to MARS MAN!!! WO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Irratix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see humans trying to set up colonies on the Moon, Mars and/or Europa.
Ziym ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Food in pill form and pills in food form
K00Laishley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures to everything currently incurable. Like cancer, Alzheimer's, Crohn's, AIDS (and other STIs), etc.
Clean, practical, renewable energy. Something available to the masses. I mean, preferably cheap. Doesn't necessarily have to be cheap compared to normal energy now. Just, affordable, like the same price as normal energy now. But I mean, hell, free, clean, renewable energy sounds pretty good.
Not necessarily "world peace", because it won't happen. But just for all the people of world to mature and grow the hell up and realize we'll probably work better together as opposed to fighting each other all the time. I guess that is world peace...damn. Stupid selfish humans...
Humanity establishing a permanent human residence somewhere off of earth. I know the ISS has people there all the time, but they only stay there for like 6-9 months at a time, right? And the ISS also isn't equipped for normal life on it. I guess it kinda is, but still, it doesn't feel like a permanent residence. I want people living their everyday lives on another planet! Or just another satellite or something. Idk, we kinda already have that on the ISS, but like, human colonization of outer space is what I'm talking about.
A Dyson sphere. I don't care where, just...Dyson sphere.
CallMeDoc24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial/cultured meats
WetPuppykisses ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bluenokia2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Superintelligence AI bring humankind to the next level.
DeviloftheRhine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True computerisation/VR, sort of like Ghost in the Shell.
Almost certainly not going to happen, but yea.
Cryptic99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieving common sense
OneChubbyCheetah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:55:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free community college.
DopeDudeDustin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Intergalatical Dota 2 Tournament
EdwerdiumBuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel using worm holes
Jay911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either humans on Mars, or some kind of genuine First Contact.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic tolerance for other people.... i.e. no more racism, misogyny, transphobia, homophobia, anti-semitism, islamophobia, etc.
guinader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. ๐
alex3omg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm how about some universal labour laws? At least the minimum level of treatment across the globe, and some way of establishing minimum wages that are actually livable.
one_pump_trump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An alternative to antibiotics.
kinglallak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans surviving until the end of my lifetime without creating some sort of apocalyptic event.
Brewbouy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on the surface of another planet or moon.
ScrambledEggsAreGood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be able to extend human life expectancy 2 folds.
HighBird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SeePeaJay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Diabetes!
happyFelix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic income.
suck-me-beautiful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism
holycrap330 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last two Game of Thrones books releasing. A new Elder Scrolls game would also be nice. Oh and a new Tool album too!
freewheel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of humans hating someone they've never met just because they think or believe differently.
Quinn_tEskimo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Embracing the humanity of medically assisted suicide. We have developed so many ways to increase the length of one's life without necessarily improving the quality. I think after one has lived a long and fruitful life they should be allowed the dignity of being able to say when enough is enough.
nhtidmore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure to ALS.
anthony83265 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on mars
aman601 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to mars and starting a colony
Theblade12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Huge life extension. Mostly so that my lifetime doesn't end.
Unkown47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The greatest human achievement I could ever hope to see would be the discovery of what truly happens after you die. That would be the greatest milestone throughout all history and would change the world forever.
Claytonius_Homeytron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated/self driving vehicles being a requirement for all transportation both public and private. The total and complete removal of traffic congestion is a huge one for me. Traffic congestion is a human caused thing and making all vehicles automated and self driving would remove it almost entirely. I NEED to see this in my life time and not just right before I'm ready to die.
poop_grunts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality...
snacksnnaps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for diabetes, my wife has type 1 and it terrifies me to think one day I'll have to watch her suffer in her later years and that I may loose her earlier than expected.
monkeyman_31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
complete augmented reality, "Ready Player One" style
kodasoda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to Europa, at least. I mean I would love to see FTL travel but let's be real here...
Lies_And_Schlander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic implantations. Stuff would be cool and helpful I guess.
slightly-simian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a bit geeky and it certainly won't happen in my lifetime but I would love to see humans evolve into a peaceful species, just like in The Next Generation. No money, everybody working towards the same goals, and of course, not being mean to spiders any more. I don't understand why you -sorry, us- are so eager to squish the beautiful creatures. As a human person myself, I can see that the only way to achieve peace is for you to finally kneel before your true arachnid overlords.
Ooh, and hover boards!
snoreboogie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with life outside earth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new Elder Scrolls game on any platform.
GiraffixCard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post-scarcity.
I want to see everyone getting to choose what to do with their lives based on their interests, well-being and self-fulfillment rather than the need to survive.
I want to see the world come together and manage our planet's resources based on what's sustainable and available rather than the ridiculous premise of "economical growth".
I want to see people become able to share art and information freely without having to worry about charging in order to pay their rents and debts.
the_goofenhour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator
Jimmy-TinkerBull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life for everyone.
Jimmy-TinkerBull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Follow up: sterilization for everyone...
mirai317 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Disarmament.
Audibledogfarts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
7 Super Bowl wins by Tom Brady
ponyplop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap and easily accessible high bandwidth brain-computer interfaces. Hello immortality.
jameizing777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long term suspended animation.
mkay69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone to beat me on speedrunners
Abikuss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weather that is cloudy with a chance of meatballs. And self cleaning cats.
Kutepov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us being able to effeciently colonize other planets so I can get off this retarded planet and find a quiet new home.
Mortico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light space travel.
TheBlueShifting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us to establish a permanent colony on another celestial object (Moon, Mars, Titan) I feel that we can do it and we should continue to push our boundaries and explore the unknown.
smith1964us ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality
smokyexe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A single pill that gives you all the nutrition you need for the day.
And world piece I guess idk
amritd91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
peace? peace? peace? i wouldnt mind a piece of the world tho tbh.
smokyexe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds great!
hbnapr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full dive virtual reality gaming.
dark_lord_xiph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People realizing that they are all the same and borders and religion are just instruments created to prevent collective human development.
4thGeneration ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon tourism. I'd love to be able to sit on the far side of the moon and see space with absolutely zero light pollution.
terrybenedictscasino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity.
Pockets713 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My comment was more just a commentary on how the older generations love to hate on millennials... and typically for reasons that are absurd... I throw a few f bombs in the mix and it makes me seem like I'm way more serious than I am... I'm barely lumped into the millennial generation... and I get along typically with older folks way better than the kids these days... to be honest...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to make child protective services effective. We keep hearing how our society needs to pay more attention to mental illness, and I agree completely, but we need to head it off before it starts in an effective and fair manner. And we need to protect those that can't protect themselves.
Dodger67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
faster than light propulsion
PhosBringer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
K92584 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inter galactic space travel or at least regular travel between earth and mars
TheGuyDoug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:58:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real, consumer-affordable hoverboard.
zerodetroit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyrogentics. I want to live forever.
OnI_BArIX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer, colonizing another planet
TobiwanK3nobi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for aging. Then my lifetime will be much longer, so I will see all of these achievements.
BANMEAGAIN009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for liberalism
Flyinhigh4489 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Witnessing extra terrestrials and travelling to another galaxy !
ninjali96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A moderate party uprising where America stops fighting amongst itself and works together to achieve a greater good... like anything science related really (science major here, I'm biased towards science).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to be in 1:1 VR. Dot hack style. Either that or interstellar travel, either way want to experience new world's.
Mozz12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saving our planet from ourselves.
Sardalucky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vaccination to prevent autism.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion energy generation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A treatment for degenerate eye diseases. Its slowly turning my best friend blind.
xTomTom5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planetary travel
Sphen5117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. Have it, am hopeful.
Cancer, not the cure.
btao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel
Via speed, wormhole, singularity, etc. Whatever it is, I want to see us be able to travel throughout the universe. It would change everything, our perspective, religion, life, the meaning of life, civilization, knowledge...
Se7enLC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, plz! Just for me.
MessiahM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Splispace travel
blowtorches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A viable colony on Mars with a plan to put industrial production on the asteroids.
IReallyLikeAvocadoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People building a functioning colony on Mars.
Tokesu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars, self driving cars and aliens. I have high hopes don't let me down world!
curiousreindeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As much as it seems to be the "go-to" answer, a cure for cancer. Or motor neurone disease, hopefully both. How horrible it is to see anyone, let alone a loved one, waste away with a usually perfectly sound mind :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
MrDiggyDolphin_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being bamboozled by a reddit user on /r/me_irl .
Barkfart11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us be able to combat the varying forms of cancer using immunotherapy. I want to see a targeted approach without the devastating effects we see in chemotherapy. Possibly the use of designer viruses to activate the immune system's killer cells which then can swiftly eliminate cancerous cells.
dercavendar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computers. The number of applications for a computer that can compute on that scale is immense. I see a lot of people here talking about cures for illnesses. With a computer that could map dna in real time we could have a cure for every cancer before you know it and that is just one application. Space travel with instantaneous communication is one of my favorites.
suck-me-beautiful ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Effective and efficient treatments for mental illnesses
NinjaKoala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Effective, inexpensive, and non-invasive treatments for obesity, probably through some effect on hunger hormones. That'll help with heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, and more.
treyt42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation!
MarconisTheMeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If the UFC could evolve somewhere between Mortal Kombat and Dragonball Z in the next 50 years that'd be cool.
dangleberries4lunch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete obsoletion of fossil fuels
billiamreynolds ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
magnets
roadcone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Intelligence.
godbois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A self sustaining offworld colony, as a humanity backup. This can really be anywhere, the moon, Mars, a large asteroid or dwarf planet, another moon, it doesn't matter.
elgabe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it'd be cool to see humans learn how to be nice to each other
barefootBam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
self driving cars or easily accessible automated transportation. i just want to be able to read, play games, or nap on my way to and from work.
zahcncam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Female president of the USA
mikevsworld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Religion and the wars, control, corruption, and misinformation that it creates.
Yazbremski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Consistent Wi-Fi in my house.
keke_fresh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deep sea exploration. I would love to know what's in the deep sea.
OverHaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:00:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact.
Any alien species that has achieved FTL in a way that's theoretically possible (to us) would have access to near infinite energy. From our perspective basically Gods. Any alien species that has achieved FTL in a way we cannot conceive as possible is so alien in its way of understanding and manipulating the universe we won't be able to understand them. Basically Lovecraftian Gods. Either way we are likely fucked but I want to live to see the day the sky opens and the ships descend.
Dill_Doe_Tron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Finalplague01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable colony on Mars
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp travel.
Ihateloops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It'd be amazing if we could stop killing each other over which religion is right.
jeffcarey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The transfer of consciousness from our human bodies into some infinitely maintainable form, enabling our immortality.
mrek235 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality...or at least a cure for cold sores.
magicalliopleurodon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legitimate success in anti aging skin care. I'm ok with dying, but why can't I look hot doing it?
Juggervoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of world hunger.
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:09:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's really easy. (poor people who can't take care of their kids just need to stop having kids).
problem solved. you're welcome.
PM__ME__YOGURT__PICS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual Reality MMORPG like in SAO
MasterBlackfyre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for HIV. Seems like we are SUPER close. Especially with the new advances in Hep C treatment (which we can CURE now!!!).
frenticblock69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reschedule the sun
artteacherthailand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of private prison systems.
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lol m'urica.
TacoMountain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nuclear apocalypse
notandygarcia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalized recreational marijuana
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
soon
NatureNate19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a global solar power grid so that the sunny side of the planet can give solar power to the dark side.
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
my boy elon working on it
McLovin343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simply a cure for Cancer that does not destroy the body in the process, and is affordable or free.
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cancer is natures way of culling the weak and aging.
that said... cancer in kids is fucked up. gotta get rid of that. old people tho? time to die.
McLovin343 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:32:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just watched my grandmother who raised me single since i was 2 years old wither away as i took care of her by myself every damn day for two years. I watched her ache in pain and cry. I couldn't cry in front of her so i would cry in the bathroom, and return hopeful and smiling to ease her fear. When it finally spread to her brain i held her hand all the way until she passed. The worse part is she had no clue who i was because she was losing her memory from it spreading to her brain.
With that being said...screw you. I wouldn't wish this shit on anyone. Children or Elderly.
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it's called euthanasia. there's a reason it exists. you/society let old people suffer when they could have an easy, dignified death.
McLovin343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let me ask you this. If a snake bit your leg and injected venom into your veins should i let you die since its nature, euthanize you to ease your slow suffering, or should i save your life?
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:47:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice bait. i really really hope it's bait. your comparison is wrong
McLovin343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wtf is your problem?
cel-faded ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to sleep with a lady one day.
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:05:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"mate: become the man woman want" might help with that
S0nicblades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity not believing in a supernatural god. A man in the sky. Of all the animals in the world in a boat. Or someone splitting the moon in two.
If humanity can get past religion. And put its trust in scientific observaton and methodologies It will truly be a marvel.
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gotta wait for the hivemind / advanced VR.
Slaisa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For humanity to become a space faring civilization.
IfHeWinsBothFights ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
moon base when? reee
dizam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind uploading
Salamander_Coral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:01:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
release of Shenmue III.
_BlackZeppelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holocaust. Jk. I would like to see self sustaining cooperative society, but a Mars colony will be great too.
tresslessone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure to baldness.
Please.
aaron999999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2-hour marathon.
Lazerlord10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mars landing, immortality, and climate change actually going back.
Yes, I have high expectations.
Icyartillary ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lunar and Martian societies
YamayaK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. As of right now, I haven't seen any progress...
ricecraker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of the North Korean regime.
ProxyAP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solved climate change
Fanburn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for death. People being immortal and always at the age of 25-ish.
KOB-STR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Portal Gun is invented.
tiensij ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of life rights are universal and well accepted.
mattaukamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fluent communication with a non-human species.
mcolston57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Non earth human city
Gfaqshoohaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First landing on the Martian surface, and the framework for a Lunar colony.
DATATR0N1K_88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity over greed.
But thus far, it seems only our built-up constructs will prevail, that is until we're completely wiped out by climate change and/or whatnot.
seethesea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of religion.
nimulli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planetary climate control.
MattPe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Money not being why we exist. Imagine that.
ehhhhhimaverage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life on anther planet!
mikeakkk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Enlightenment
Waccsadac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Im scared man made Immortality will be invented the day I die
Alicia_Locks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dawn of the human galactic empire
matchettiero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
TheGinofGan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloned meat, get those useless cows off the planet farting all the time contributing to global warming.
Oh and meat will be super cheap.
JollySieg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see if there is life on Europa and maybe find a true sea monster on earth like truly huge
Bartholdsson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to digitally upload yourself so that I can wish for a cure for computer viruses in the clone of this post 100 years from now.
Dharmagal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An automatic clothes folder.
Hardcore90skid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full body prosthesis / absolutely any body part replacable either orga ically or synthetically.
dfrancis18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on the moon
gargoyle30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telekinesis
JoloSwaggins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i wanna see over 60000 frogs on the front page
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonising an exoplanet would be awesome.
yaboynatan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering the secret to eternal life
Larsonzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans walking on Mars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extending the duration of human life indefinitely, then we can also stop asking ourselves such questions.
DeBlasioDeBlowMe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our being finally able to not only acknowledge but accept and get past our singular human frailty: our pervasive failings based on human greed.
Think about what we could actually accomplish if politicians actually held up to their campaign promises instead of being sidetracked by the lure of personal gain. How spectacular our infrastructure could be if contractors saw the betterment of society instead of fat contracts and ongoing maintenance schedules. How our education system could work if every teacher cared like those few we all remember, and the system actually supported them instead of the freeloaders. How much could we accomplish with literally armies of people working on things, instead of fighting meaningless wars and ideologic cold wars.
You want alien life to reach out to us? Maybe if we weren't such douches doomed to failure at every great social task, they might. Want to get to Mars, we could do it if we could pull together. But we are inherently divided. And why? Ultimately it comes down to personal greed. Sure, there are layers and pyramids of this thing I call greed, from the pesonal level to the geopolitical. But it is all part of our nature as humans. And it is why we fail.
Barnowl79 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely x-ray vision. Or retractable claw hands
youfuckingslaves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total 100% discernment
mendrique2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality fusion reactor artificial intelligence interstellar/FTL travel extra terrestrial life cure for cancer
I could go on forever...just kidding, that's just about it. But since I'm already 40 I hope for AI, which has probably the best shot.
Strawberrycocoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope I live to see functional combat mechs. I know I know, too many bad anime as a kid. Don't care, still want.
Mikuull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See the first person on mars
mentabolism1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
teleportation
Ennui92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phrogramaiche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When someone invented a faster way to get to Mars.
TheDeadpigeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans win the battle against sea lice.
VidyaCowboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terraforming mars into a habitable planet for colonization
WarpedWarpDrive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Get rekt.
LameJames1618 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars or any other planet really.
The clouds of Venus seem interesting.
aeon_vexel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vegan planet.
alsayli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the collapse of capitalism
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality! That way I can see all of them
yanggmd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-extinction
sammygeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna a hover board. Not a shitty explosive thing with wheels. I want a back to the future style hover board.
notapotamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sentient self aware AI. I welcome Skynet.
elghoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of capitalism
Silent_Vigil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gimmie dat immortality
KnightSolAireJordan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know if I'll get to see it but that super highway that Elon Musk was talking about looks awesome
TannenFalconwing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a cure or at least an extremely effective treatment for diabetes. I know that there is a lot of progress that has been made recently and a lot of trials are going on, but after a while injecting yourself with insulin gets to be a bit of a drag.
ChowPizz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A colony on the moon
thekapadia417 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonize our solar system
joyouslyoblivious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone believe vaccines really work and help.
skip6235 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars
Supersamtheredditman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. I'm serious though. If it was created in conjunction with cheap space flight and commercially viable fusion, we wouldn't have to worry about over population. Plus I really really want to be around when intelligent extraterrestrial life is discovered.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:04:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since no one has said it yet, grrm finishing asoiaf. Mars and cancer? Guys get your priorities straight.
joshuad80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boring space travel
Birdninja009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion
PerInception ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for type 1 diabetes. It's been "just a few years away!" now for longer than most people with it have been alive.
I'm sure the day after I die, glaxosmithkline or Eli Lilly will announce their major break through, as soon as they have another cash cow to milk. No money in curing things, just in treating them.
ShadowVariable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Expansion of the human race into space.
argonianord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see astronauts walking around on Mars. I want that to be the moon landing of my life. Kids playing in the backyard with my two dogs, sitting with my wife and two cats in the living room, watching humanity take its first steps on another planet. Calling my kids in from outside to come see something very important.
Left_Brain_Train ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slow down and/or reverse the aging process.
I'm aware even as a non-Ph.D holding plebeian this would take decades if not longer of additionally funded research into intra/extracellular damage, protein clearance, DNA and mtDNA repair as well as regenerating parts of the brain and body responsible for our natural, seemingly inevitable descent into chaotic decrepitude. If anything, any cure for Alzheimer's would be a great first step to scratch the surface.
I just hope to get a few more decades on this rock to experience the things I know I was born slightly too early to enjoyโand if I have to pass naturally, I want it on my own terms and not from slow-progressing heart or brain disease.
tresslessone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion
Atotallyrandomname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
multi planet colonization. I am banking on medical advances keeping me alive at least until the triple digits, my family members usually die around 90. I'm 30 now, so surely in 70 years we'll be on Mars and something else.
rsawycky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Employment and or income (because robots will take the jobs eventually) not becoming something everyone needs to be worried about.
3moose1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
lilchicky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see an improvement in how the younger generations are brought up, as our future legacies lie in their hands. Right now there is too much dependence on technology which is interfering with the youth's ability to empathize and be more compassionate. I just want a world of more empathy, compassion, and respect.
AMC4x4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stabilization of the environment, to include scrubbing of excess CO2 from the atmosphere and clean fresh water and ocean.
grungevalue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see a complete switch to Self-Driving cars. Deaths from car crashes would be so small or even would stop completely. They would be incredibly efficient with less emissions and there wouldn't be any traffic. Driving is way too dangerous to be handled by careless humans, it needs to be automated.
DaRandom_Dood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
interactive vr porn
nicka7x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legit hoverboards that's all I truly want
ShabbyPro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avatar 2 - 5
Jackb96240 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding a replacement for petroleum or another way to produce it
SUPPERP1G ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
im_in_hiding ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
WonkySight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An affordable hoverboard like the ones in Back to the Future
ggravelle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First man to walk on the Sun.
iokak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Planetary travel
ender_wiggum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have that. You mean interplanetary travel :P
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
iokak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yee i meant that :p
carter_not_a ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Deez nuts on your chin
marlinizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien vs human war
sharkweek247 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least 10 more new flavors of chips.
BawsDaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering life outside our planet.
InZayn275 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone breaking Randy Marsh's record for the worlds biggest poop.
cantstopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A creme that you apply to your scalp and all your hair grows back in 2 days.
overlordsteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanitarian: cure for cancer
Wacky bullshit: humanoid robots
Eddydrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone putting their trousers on two legs at a time
Fal3nICERUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human augmentation want to be a cyborg
Invalid_Email ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imortality.
Pure_Golden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For koney to be removed totally. Imagine a world without money. No corruption.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to make myself proud.
Pendragonswaste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of aging, i'd like to see my lifespan go on a few thousand years.
the-real-apelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone that can swim faster than a dolphin.
Throwawaywelfarebaby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
hot dogs/sausages and buns coming in the same size so you never have to extras of one.
bjjdoug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reversal or halt of the aging process.
FullMeltxTractions ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gonna wish, might as well wish big.
Interstellar travel.
apeshitdonkeydiq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At risk of sounding like a contestant of a beauty pageant: World Peace.
pX_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate change reversal.
buckeyelegend44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleaning of the oceans via a device that just scims for trash, to filter oil, etc.
ThisLookInfectedToYa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DVDA.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel, mass effect style.
Walnutterzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man landing on Mars
CitizenSerf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An anti-aging breakthrough that makes 200 yrs the new human lifespan
TheCanuckler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have a population problem though
CitizenSerf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's the other half of the equation that needs fixed as well.
David_Evergreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for depression
cambino123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll all be gone in 60 years so it doesn't really matter
3p0L0v3sU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global acceptance and effort to stop global warming.
ipkiss_stanleyipkiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop the aging process
kyledawg92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster-than-light travel
squirtdemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of war as a way of solving political enmity.
Romany_Fox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
uh immortality
Burritoterrier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone faster than Usain Bolt
Drindel08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asteroid mining becoming economically viable
InformalCriticism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The light saber.
Somehow, knowing that exists will make things okay.
_spacemanspiff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human life expectancy growing by more than 1 year every year. Cheat codes.
TruestJedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First woman on the moon.
HoelessJoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for multiple sclerosis.
diegorifu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Changing my arms for a robotic one. But one that gives me full strength, a spoon on a finger, a usb drive, etc
TacoFrag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To see electric cars become the only car allowed to be driven so that we wouldn't pollute our world so much. Ofcourse the power should be from non polluting sources.
TerminalKancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast giving a customer the actual internet speeds that they pay for...
TheCanuckler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast going out of business
NoobCanoeWork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see a guy do a handstand, then a front or backflip out of said hand stand and land back in a handstand. I've been waiting for this to happen for like 20 years now
PlanetaryGenocide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space travel
I WANNA GO TO SPACE GODDAMMIT
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology.
Duh.
S_K_Y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-Aging
Apparently they're studying the Immortal Jellyfish (Turritopsis Dohrnii) for a potential anti-aging and/or regenerative use in the future. They can live forever and only die when eaten by a predator or contracting a deadly disease.
OlDirtyBurton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the number one cause of death in young people to NOT be opiate overdoses.
doot_doot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of climate change denial as an acceptable mainstream belief
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
jack_bennington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the only way I can see half life revolutionizing gamingg again, is if we could simulate human flesh torn apart in realtime photorealistically ingame.
TheCanuckler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do we really want it though? Remember Duke Nukem?
Arcane-Legion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To make inception a reality.
THChief ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace๐ญ
Fiercerain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want Linguistic Gymnastics to become an Olympic sport. A delegate from the top competing countries are asked about a unpopular topic about their respective country - and the delegate must navigate the conversation by utilizing linguistic gymnastics.
TheDankestDreams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us to kick cancer's ass
TheCanuckler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Theres no profit in curing people - Big Pharma
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human brain transplanted into a shark.
CanucksFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confirm the existence of alien life.
Dman2244 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure to cancer, Isis gone, The world to go vegan, Sjw's to stop existing. Things that will never happen.
xtoolbearx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for depression or perfect biological transitions for transgender people
elite4caleb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on mars
drummmergeorge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That I get my phd.
RJJ4982 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Traveling at the speed of light.
Kimber85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation would solve so many of our problems.
You could work in New York City and live in Kansas, cutting down on the overpopulation of cities and making it easier to live in a less expensive place without having to sacrifice job opportunities.
It would cut down on pollution, since less people would be driving.
No more worries about terrorists hijacking planes, because there are no more planes to hijack.
For me personally, it would make living states away from family so much easier. One of the things I'm most concerned about with having a kid is we have no family in the area to help us out if something goes wrong. My mom could pop over in the morning to do childcare and then go home to her house at night. My dad's having surgery soon, I'm going to have to drive 12 hours and miss multiple days of work to be there with him. If we had teleportation, I could just go home every night after work.
I could go on, but seriously teleportation would be amazing.
zoahporre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be amazing, but this would lead to expensive houses everywhere.
Kimber85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to think it would even out of the housing market, since, unless the view is amazing, every where would be an equally desirable market, but you're probably right.
We'd probably also have to implement something like Basic Income, since anyone who works as a driver (trucker, delivery man, cabbie), anyone who works with cars and anyone who works in airports would be out of a job. That's a shit ton of people who's jobs just became redundant.
zoahporre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never underestimate the greed of assholes.
This is why we have paid microtransactions in single player games.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unified Field Theory! It would change so much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_field_theory
nosheet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:08:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see people make an attempt at matching speed before merging
futonrefrigerator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for ALS (Lou Gherig's Disease) and Alzheimer's. Lost a grandparent to each of them
ApothecaryNick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least the start of colonization of another world.
amateurrocketbuilder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A time machine so I can go back and get away from my crazy ass family before they pulled me down with them..
Or
Transhumanism so I can just merge with technology and get away from humanity
IntrinsicGiraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see actual virtual reality! Something advance like Matrix or S.A.O. or even Inception.
justarandomshooter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super luminal travel, hands down.
Defa1t_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The social and economic standards that exist in the Star Trek Universe. I will explain further for those who dont know or want to know more.
Khwks81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
house robots
WhiskyEchoTango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent moon base
KPGSamwise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The acknowledgement of alcohol as one of the most harmful drugs on this planet and furthermore its restriction.
HUMANPHILOSOPHER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to homelessness
QDSchro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing cancer Find a way to actually produce real clean renewable energy Colonization of another planet(like some star trek type shit)
kalehound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United States President being a queer female POC (who is also a good leader and good person)
KitKat_The_Unicorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a hamilton movie...
ImHereByTheRoad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A) when 3D printing with nucleotides gets cheaper it will become an artists tool like paint. And that'll be cool to see. Sculptures of life. B) and more importantly. Something to solve climate change. I doubt it will happen. But being 19. I want my future kids to live full lives without having to fight for water. Which will probably be the case as it stands rn.
SashWhitGrabby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation!
ElSeban88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism.
albertogarciasocial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A global government. Keeping countries as cultural entities not economic ones. We are all human, we should all be subject to the same rights and responsibilities.
WhiskyEchoTango ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars.
Gpinon96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof god doesn't exist
XanderPrice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism eradicated from the West, in all of it's forms.
futurespeak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity use AI to end inequality and poverty, establish a universal basic income, travel to the stars and increase the human lifespan to centuries. I want to walk on another planet before I die at the rip age of 300+. Sounds fantastic, but not impossible, if we could only come together around this vision, there is nothing we cannot achieve.
devgrv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial Fusion energy
Swarrel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A CURE for CANCER. I always see "progress has been made" or something similar throughout the years but NEVER see any actual solid evidence of this..
clancheee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Travel through teleportation.
PrinceHumperTinkTink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to world hunger.
LawlietteL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of click-bait content and "media" such as Buzzfeed and Vice. We can have better journalism than "the right way to eat a vagina" and "what potato are you" quizzes.
ArmdaddyRox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful, manned Mars missions
Alvan0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self Driving Cars! Self Driving Cars! Self Driving Cars!
futureanus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love if a man were to leave the solar system before I die. Now I know many critics say that that's an impossible task in the next 100 years, but I would really love to see humanity outside the solar system.
Marc2059 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Head transplation
MemoryofADream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A.I.
Needsabettertag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People with missing limbs to have them regenerate, or robotic limbs that are comfortable and work like real hands.
man_goat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space flight would be really cool.
barejoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winds of Winter
Smiles360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inventing a way to be immortal would be nice, or just prolonging human life would be great as well.
alangston10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People to stop being assholes to each other
Houeclipse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A form of teleportation that cause no harm to human body. it would be neat to go anywhere without killing your insides
Lateralus6977 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To see Beetlejuice 2 happen...
burdsjm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see my kids actually flush a toilet or turn off lights after they leave a room.
SillyGayBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something better with trash. Clean oceans.
city_grey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
extracanadian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next big genocide...
Jake_Leg00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see all of our high-pollution industries moved to Mars. Fuck making Mar's atmosphere livable, let's just do all the dirty shit there and keep our home planet clean
PurpleEraserHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want everyone in the world to have easy access to potable water.
EddyGanjaman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for tinnitus. I'd like some silence again, even just for a minute.
nathancrick13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Batteries that never die!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccuum cleaner with a mute button.
smallventures ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of social media
Aslakki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality and all the rest
hpjj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scientist to figure out chronic depression. Or a suicide button that protects my family from grieving.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either a viable fusion reactor, or a viable off-world colony.
BabstheBeagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Looking through the comments all I see are things that would better the planet. I must be an a-hole because all I want to have is truly immersive VR with haptic feedback and such.
wedrop_bass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistic achievement: The creation of an inexpensive, extremely efficient and environmentally friendly energy converter that will mark the beginning of the end of burning fuels for energy.
Non-realistic achievement: the Buffalo Bills
winning a super bowlmaking the playoffs .Scaevola-Batavia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The complete removal of cars in cities, imagine the possibilities!
bit_nothing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
AssJustice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure all STDs. That'll get us world peace
anon100110010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That EM drive NASA confirmed works. I'd like to see more of it.
Also probably won't happen but the cure for aging. Other animals such as lobsters and crabs can continue to live forever. I'd like that for us.
theseibert ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People learning to merge onto a busy interstate highway.
Cobaltwall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Oh wait
miekman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be nice to see a year when Earth Overshoot Day doesn't happen.
lukas_luki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me finding girlfriend :/
COHL7500 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I recently saw a video, which comprised of a guy with adept (not expert) programming skills.
He'd programmed a self-learning AI Super Mario Bros "simply" by using NEAT (Neuroevolution of augmenting topologies) as reference, a emulator and a virtual ROM of Super Mario Bros.
It amazes, that so few resources manage to create a self-learning AI. It's simultaenously impressive and scary.
SOURCE: MAR/IO
Google DeepMind (an explanation of how this technology works)
I some day hope this can evolve into something way more complex, perhaps not a real-life successor of Terminator, but something utopic.
SpaceGerbal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing the very bottom of the ocean explored.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life, then everything else.
1c3b3rg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Electric cars? Self driving cars? Nah. I want FLYING cars.
xxxbenhubbaxxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Men on mars
ottocus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A culture where sustainability is a pillar. Not our consumer based economy.
JumpyPlug15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
jlcrospe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieving lasting peace
CherokeeTomahawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The elimination of desync in online games
TheNegativeWaves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to get a girlfriend.
RomanCessna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting a girlfriend. That is gonna be a higher success than landing on the moon if it happens.
Charadin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A means for immortality accessible to every citizen
dannylew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a guy on Mars and then bringing him back.
Also a majority atheist population in North America would be tits
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To shift the convo from Alzheimer's (which yes, would for me too probs be the most errifying thing) I'd like to see a world where climate change is no longer a worry.
PhoenixRising625 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First person on Mars. Cure for Cancer, Cure for Alzheimer's/Dementia, cure for ALS
Formidable__Opponent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Religion, but I'll settle for truly self driving cars. This has been a dream since a I was a child.
king_rudy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dragon quest x coming to america
whigger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new type of economy that doesn't need to thrive on constant expansion and exploitation of limited natural resources or disadvantaged persons.
kspconfused ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably get buried, but I want to see missions to Europa and Enceladus that are able to determine conclusively that life exists, or not, on either or both.
AbysswalkerGuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering other alien species on another alien planet
Tommi-Salami ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True peace
kklolzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability for us to extend our lifespan indefinitely
Thaos1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First exoplanetary colony capable of sustaining human life.
I am 26 years old now. Do i have a chance?
ender_wiggum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:12:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medicine. You know, solutions to human health problems that don't involve knives or saws. Personally, I want:
levothyrox123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer
Flanderkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see full recording of the human mind.
Darkslayer_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens
chessmaster98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mental Health being as widely recognized and treatable as physical health
mikeysof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A robot in every household
Eric_Pazderp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, well more like live for 1000+ years
Bloxy-Boy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea and the USA making a peace treaty
PECOSbravo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment and subsequent jailing of Trump and all of his cronies
ktamkivimsh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal income.
mgermer2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of wal mart.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and prosperity.
Democracy_Dude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. That way all the other achievements will be in my life time too.
Sky_Pirate_XII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want an actual hover board, not a fire hazard on fucking wheels. Back to the Future set the bar high, its high time you delivered, science.
Billy__Madison ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeaching Trump.
FusionGel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm perfectly fine health wise, but I want to be able to read the last two books of A Song of Ice and Fire.
Dupragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
USB drives that can work on both sides taking away the guess work
Eclipsetech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FarGoneJohn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on mars
Mr_Britland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. Actually, I would want to see a cure for every disease imaginable. Highly impossible as there will always be something new to come against but I would really like to see us get to a point where we can cure most of the diseases that plague us on a daily basis. No one should have to suffer the likes of cancer at all.
howtoeatass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a marathon run in under 2 hours
_Robitussinn_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Traveling to mars
SirNate2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human immortality. I don't think there's a great chance it will happen, but ya never know.
atergater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe it's unlikely, but I would love to see the day that we found the first colony in space.
eehoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars. Been waiting since BTTF2 GDI SMH FYI.
kosherhalfsourpickle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solving P=NP. It is one of the millennium unsolved math problems. Solving it would be a significant accomplishment and could change our lives.
wpmullen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want my flying car!
-_-__-__-__-_- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iโd be happy if I managed to achieve anything, honestly.
jamesrblack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion energy would fundamentally change society and make a lot of other achievements possible.
Reznix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man/Woman on Mars
Kost_Gefernon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Crohn's disease.
All access / utility lines underground
Creation and mass production of the medical equivalent of the OBD2 scanner.
JonathanHyde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nerve gear videogames.
mighty-wombat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of 'a song of ice and fire' books.
zerbey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanently manned base on another planet. I'd settle for the Moon, but Mars would be my choice.
space_manatee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An actual human being getting out of the Solar System. I know, crazy right? Nothing in the current tech tree says that we are near that in our lifetime, but we have been accelerating so fast as a species it's not totally impossible. That and the fact there could be a black swan sort of event that we couldn't even predict like a breakthrough of some sort or even an outside (i.e. extraterrestrial intelligence) influence.
Tritiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Denuclearization. It's about time mankind got out from under that "Sword of Damocles".
filthymoonlitbuthole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
porn in space
porn in mars
porn in an asteroid
badibadi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Healthcare, Education, Childcare and Eldercare as a right and not for profit, available and (close to) free for all just as it should be in truly civilized society.
carthroway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Starfleet-like organization (probably Elon Musk and his SpaceX will become this). I just want to explore on someone else's dime damn it.
Wymian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first creation of proper artificial intelligence; being able to converse with something sentient that is man-made is marvelous. Also, being able to communicate with AI through thought would make a lot of quiz games a lot easier.
gregoriohombre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An almost-complete transition to renewable energy in every country, preferably within the next 10 to 20 years.
WarhammerRyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instantaneous transfer and reassembly of living matter. Cheap/fast travel.
mikeitclassy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like us to get to the point where the world leaders of all nations realize that problems can be solved without war. Right now, we are a long long ways from that.
strictlytacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People stop littering
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For energies like solar and wind to become readily available, to the point where it can make a demonstrable impact on climate change.
CyberneticFennec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ultra-realistic affordable VR
WeDriftDeeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The whole human race engaging with each other altruistically
mystikmike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see George R. R. Martin publish the next book in the series....
Klungtube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Microwaves that are whisper quiet
GallenteHippy_420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a tiny drone that flies a few feet over my head with anti-mosquito lasers.
lusidaisy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The construction, intentionally or accidentally, of a true artificial intelligence. It doesn't need to be humanoid, but it would be cool to converse with a machine that can think independently.
coffeemaybehot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoovercrafts
HellIsBurnin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain-Computer interfaces.
dwc29 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace on earth ๐
thecarolinelinnae ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is purely selfish, but would help lots of people - I hope they figure out how to create sperm from eggs and vice versa or whatever it is that they have to do.
That way my fiancรฉ and I could have a baby that is both of us...instead of one of us and a donor.
They're doing it with mice, and I think they're starting it with monkeys. But it wont be a viable human option until long after we want to have kids.
Mucktofu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I am late to the party but what the hell, jet packs, affordable legal jet packs.
Jessi30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone teleport before I die.
juanjodic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of passports. One unified sustainable planet.
darcy_clay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment.
somedave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A space elevator would be cool. So would what it would mean for space exploration.
FrenzyBarb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wifi all over the world
danwebb287 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to put my conciousness in a robot. I want to be a robot and explore space.
rainbohprincess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer. Too many family members have died from cancer and it makes me sad to think about.
deathaddict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete virtual reality. With technology that actually taps straight into your brain and allows you to temporarily live/do things in a virtual world.
Maybe this could cure people with physical disabilities and people with depression or mental conditions who knows.
But it would be very interesting to see this become reality. We'd need super powerful computers to make the worlds come to fruition let alone interacting with them.
sulatroniko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. If it is at all possible, I wanna be around to witness it.
IHaveAightCalves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Huntington's disease
life_is_just_peachy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America banning money in politics
illuminite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free access to water, internet and basic human rights
Plus2Twice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People being able to do what they love while being able to afford a living. College debt disappearing...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide anarchist revolution.
Stephen_Morgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want
infinite wisheseternal life.Slightly_Censored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ACTUAL hoverboards. Not this two-wheeled bullshit.
Verslappingmywife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantifiable proof for or against a god.
rodev91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. And Space Colonies.
Tignastyjake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would really like racism to end. If we were united (in our various countries/cultures), I feel the general social connection could bring an end to issues like; the financial divide, health care access, international relations and various common sense practices for education, immigration, religious freedom, etc.
Ignes28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A United Nations that works.
fartingaround ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kim jong un removed from power
jayaigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plant based meat & dairy replacing our extremely harmfull bio agriculture
(Edit: replaced bio industry with bio agriculture)
nightwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. A reversal of our destruction of our environment.
fapboy89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion on a massive scale
asianwaste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dream of VR fully realized. Full immersion down to simulating feeling.
FangFingersss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Choppers be able to get high enough so everyone has access to the top of Mount Everest. Pretty sure that will never be possible but I can't make that trek but am dying to get up there.
P0RTILLA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cruise ship in space.
tEquiLa128 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people eat all they can and not get fat at all.
ulmxn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that guy posting the r/me_irl frog get to like a trillion karma
PetuniaFungus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Noctudeit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:16:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Large scale fusion power.
Qubeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of small pox was the greatest achievement of mankind. We eliminated one of the most potent, wide spread diseases in the entire world.
I'd like to see humanity do anything together, honestly. I don't understand why, when we all have the same problems in life, we can't work through the awful stuff together.
DaveyClarkman4Prez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone find the way to feed everyone on the planet. Many of the world's issues can be traced back to this, and with advances in both food science and sustainability, it may be sooner rather than later
daarthVapor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The completion of 'A song of ice and fire' by George RR Martin !! :D
AudioAssassyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion. It's so crippling.
imgonnabutteryobread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ability to transfer one's consciousness into AI.
Self-driving cars for all elderly, disabled, drunks, and shitty drivers.
BeardCoreGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully imersive vr. Or chip implant in brain.
Galaxy_Ranger_Bob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on the surface of Mars.
svparty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be truly happy
ThomasTheG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's wishful thinking, and with people like Kim Jong Un & Donald Trump, it's very far out of reach, but before I die, I want to see world peace. And even if I can't, I want to at least try to make a difference before I die so that maybe, one day, my kids might be able to experience it. Perhaps after World War 3, which I feel is imminent, we will all understand why war is not the right way to solve problems. It's possible that we all see the errors of our way. I really don't know though. But once we give up hope for it, or stop caring, then we all lose and it will never happen. It's still a possibility.
Barber720 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advancement in mental health. I'd like to see a machine able to read neurotransmitter levels to create a more exact science for that field and reduce unnecessary prescribed medication especially for youth. Also a way to view dreams and/or a machine to show an individual's perception hopefully increasing human understanding amongst everyone.
SirNate2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interesting economic reforms such as UBI to cope with the introduction of increased automation in the economy
life_is_just_peachy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People in North America, finally waking up and standing up to Big Banks. You're one of the only countries that literally can't understand how economics works and you're paying the bank to make money off you're own money.
jonlin1000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof of the Riemann Hypothesis
TigerXXVII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
its wednesday my dudes frog to become top post in all of reddit history
Bearded-and-Bored ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about an immortality pill? Then I wouldn't have to miss anything.
lemmenche ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A global population decrease of at least 30% from our current level
bunchofwolves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Retractable semen
metalDog13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ubiquitous, rational thinking.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This
princess_awesomepony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradicating religion out of politics.
faredrack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really hopping that the head transplant planned for this December goes well. It could improve so many lives, and answer many questions about the human soul.
LostOverThere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same sex marriage in Australia would be pretty sweet. At this stage we'll probably get to Mars first though.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:17:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For someone to invent a Lego that doesn't hurt when you step on it barefoot.
sirhcular ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for all cancer
ScuffySquintz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
ben7337 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a bit mundane but mass producing a safe stable battery that gets at least 3x the energy density of current tech, while sustaining at least 80% capacity over 1000 charges. That would be the path to 300-600 mile range electric cars with batteries that last 300k+ miles and phones that can really have the screen on all day and be fine. I look forward to that.
LatexSanta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first interstellar journey. If we can get to other planets, survive, live and build a technological civilization there that can then do the same, our chances for survival as a species will go up dramatically.
As it stands now, a gamma ray burst happening far, far away could wipe us out in the next minute, hour, day, week, month, year or century. Literally at any time. Sure, we'd have the technology to maybe know it's coming, and plenty of time to panic.
Depending on our tech level when or if it happens, and advance warning, we might even be able to get thousands or hundreds of thousands to Mars, and survive there. But it wouldn't be pretty.
NeilTheRealDeal10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Autism, or at the very least some preventative measure. I have three siblings on the severe end of the spectrum and it hurts me to see them struggle.
KurlyKayla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see race relations, or any social relations really, repaired, or at least significantly improved. I'm tired of people causing anguish and suffering over something that is so inconsequential and inevitable.
Nanofication ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's 3: Artificial Intelligence augmenting many aspects of our lives, Clean renewable fusion energy and space colonization.
Dr-Vahlen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the major religions collapse
Theleerussell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elder scrolls VI
arrr-chitect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of corporations (or just money in general) running politics.
baltakatei ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reliable human memory transfer / backup / duplication.
WhitechapelPrime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive VR (virtual reality). That is all.
lightcolorsound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of life outside of Earth.
letgoofmyfuckingeggo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:18:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See the first person scale Mt. Olympus... successfully.
dantepicante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The removal of intellectual property law.
RebelBASEDOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why, exactly?
dantepicante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe that it is the root of many of our troubles for the same reason Aaron Swartz did.
RebelBASEDOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:03:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aaron Swartz was a tragedy, but one of the over-prosecution by Carmen Ortiz, not IP itself. IP in general, while the laws are not perfect, is set up to reward creators for their creations, and is part of the U.S. Constitution (assuming you're US Based here). While we all want immediate and free content, without it, there would be no incentive to create inventions or artistic creations (TV, movies, music) because they could be easily stolen with no economic consequence.
dantepicante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nope, sorry. I would (and do) make art and inventions with no plan for recompense. IP law allows those lucky enough to be in a position to buy ideas to hoard them. Much of the content IP law "protects" should absolutely belong to the whole of the species, not just the few lucky enough to be in a position to purchase the rights. It is an unsustainable concept and it is destroying our culture.
RebelBASEDOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not really contradicting what I said - I never said there would be no creation, but there would be no economic incentive to create. If you're talking about buying ideas themselves - that's patent law. While it does give companies the ability to charge high amounts for their drugs for a limited period of time, they do have to recoop the hundreds of millions or billions spent on researching that particular drug, as well as failed others. So it does advance science.
As far as the "content" IP goes, I think you mean copyright, do you think HBO would spend millions on episodes of Game of Thrones or Westworld if no one had to subscribe to make it? Why would Adult Swim pay anyone to make Rick and Morty, if you could get it without a cable subscription?
Trademarks protect another form of IP - the mental association your brain has with a particular product or group. I know you mentioned that you think only those "lucky enough to be in a position to buy them," but I have multiple friends who have created businesses and found out others in the country to be piggybacking off their name, so they had to use Trademark protection to protect themselves.
There could be art and invention without IP, but there would be no economic incentive to create it. Whether that's good or bad, that's up to you. Yes, big companies can gobble up smaller ones and snatch their copyrights and patents. But the little guys can also use patents and copyrights to protect themselves from the big guy. The system is DEFINITELY tilted against the little guy, but removing IP would entirely tilt it to the big guy, especially when it comes to patents. A big company with the resources to manufacture can easily squash a guy with no enforceable economic rights.
dantepicante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:46:12 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And what I'm saying is that there would only be real art because that comes from people who aren't doing it for financial reasons, and not the mass-produced crap made today.
Rick and Morty would still exist, albeit not in its current form. Dan Harmon is an artist, I've followed him since he and Rob Schrab were still setting up Channel 101 (not to mention R&M co-creator Justin Roiland and the dudes from The Lonely Island). Rob Schrab's book "Because I Can't DO Anything Else!" is about how he's an artist because he must be, because that's his purpose. If the arts were limited to these people we wouldn't have the shit "reality" TV shows that are literally destroying our culture one braindead idiot at a time.
Entirely wrong. There would be no financial incentive to create it. Art is used to change the way people think about the world, and artists are incentivized to do that whether they're getting paid or not. The problem is that it's easier than ever to mimic the abilities of real artists to create derivative soulless trash.
You can't own an idea, it's a ridiculous and unsustainable concept. That will end in disaster if we don't deal with it intelligently.
RebelBASEDOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:20 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm confused at the difference between economic incentives and financial incentives rises to the level of me being entirely wrong.
I basically was saying what you said, I just disagree on the consequences of it. Removing copyright doesn't seem likely to get rid of reality TV either - it's so low cost to produce that enforcing its protection isn't a priority for networks. Those would be more likely to stay, where high budget shows like Westworld would be canned because folks could steal them. There obviously was art before IP, but there were never distribution networks before, so if you want to consume art over a distribution network (TV, streaming, etc.) then you need IP for people to set those networks up.
Anyway, the rest of your statements are conclusory and not arguments at all, so I just suspect you're stubborn kid who was mad Napster was shut down back in the day and we'll keep going in circles here.
Hope you have a good day.
hbombs86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable "space vacations." I'd love to be able to spend like a thousand bucks to go into orbit for a few hours and enjoy the view, or more for a weekend on a commercial space station.
worriedaboutyou55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on one of the gas giants moons
SppokyJungleMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Become a space faring civilization, having colonies and things of the like
ThingsUponMyHead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon colonies are all I ask for. If I can experience that, then I know it's only time before humanity takes to the stars. Which would be damn cool.
dantepicante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Restoration of the American Chestnut.
JerryAtricks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
self propelled flight
kenishii2002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One of us will eventually wake up from this Matrix
HearthWall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the first implementation of the human mind 'uploaded' into a robot: somewhat of a cyborg.
I believe this would be the only way to keep up with the development of artificial intelligence and survival of the human race.
NotMickyMouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing other planets. As long as we are stuck on earth, we are highly susceptible to extinction. Keeping in mind the current scenario, it might just happen in the next century.
Boinkermorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
cscheel001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:19:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People on Mars, meet an alien civilization, tiny nano-robots swimming through my body, true(strong) AI.
dantepicante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Draining of the swamp.
sarahbee_1029 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars!
aVerySmallHorse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of extra terrestrial life. I will settle for microbes.
Lyonazj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer, alzheimer and other heartbreaking diseases.. It's just terrifying to see it.. bunkerhill incoming
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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mreed911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put the phone down and go outside.
Seriously.
Interact with the world and be around others that do, too.
It really is that easy.
ArthursPoodle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The success of Neuralink
Samdsox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imortality at a price I could afford would be pretty nice.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a weird little dream I've had for a while now but an English to orca translator.
Abimor-BehindYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Victory in the war on nature.
dogdiarrhea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to the Navier-Stokes millenium problem.
XIJ3S0NXX385 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a man to return to the moon.
Hasn't been done since the 70s/80s
AustinCynic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Titan submersible explorer. Even if there's no life there the results would be incredible.
Im_Tiny_Rick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm ready for Donald Trump to die.
Eastonio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us get to the moon
blaze412 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning your memories and thoughts into virtual reality. Or is that too advanced?
bluecifer_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures for cancer, AIDS & other major diseases. Well, for them to be released publicly, anyway.๐
alexfromla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel and colonization. I want to see this soooo bad. There is no reason why we're so obsessed with this planet when there's a whole universe out there waiting for us to fuck up.
A_R0FLCOPTER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a manned mission to Mars. Simple request, but I have been obsessed with space ever since I was a child and I want our nation to come together and work towards something greater than ourselves.
KnightsOfArgonia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:20:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skyrim integrated on all vehicles
sweetaileen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm hoping for a mammogram machine that doesn't squeeze the shit out of boobs. I haven't had one yet but I hope when I'm due for one they'll have a less painful option.
jiggywiz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recreational space travel.
Zukotsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First human banana
xPershyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally achieving happiness lmao
beyonddead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of North Korea's government.
jriveraviles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another human on the moon.
Outrageswift ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My own college graduation...
MeawMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
to have an alternate means of transport that doesnt ruin the planet
raven3113 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully synthetic body protecting an organic brain. I'll settle for a touch sensitive limb.
the-real-apelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain transplants
JMJimmy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
A cure for ADHD
An open knowledge network based on scientific standards
Buck_Thunderpumper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it would be cool if we realized, as a species, that there is plenty to go around and we could all live peacefully in order to reach our fullest potential as individuals.
Baltowolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'm pretty excited for the fall of North Korea. I just want to see a communist country fall in my lifetime. That seems like a very realistic possibility now as well...
Raddz5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of another planet. This one is pretty close to happening so I think we're good.
uxl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conversational A.I. Photo-realistic immersive VR/AR Pervasive/ubiquitous AR - everywhere (AR contacts/prescription lens, by extension) Discovery of microbial ET life, somewhere A mined asteroid Perfectly engineered babies Some sort of insane/disruptive breakthrough in renewable energy efficiency/generation
panic_bread ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of unfettered capitalism.
bmy78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Alzheimer's
sephresx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:21:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Presidential assassination.
Too soon?
Adgit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel, that'd be awesome but not sure if it will happen
kaditya1126 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
News cameras that don't click
Zukotsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intergalactic space travel
R0rschach96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making contact with Aliens
Harshvipassana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Destigmatizing depression
Cerifero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World-wide human co-operation. Not just world peace but everyone working together as a single team.
SlothMaestro69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zerkaa actually release Illuminate.
DrMcClimateChange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proper online banking 24/7.
I want to deposit at 3am Sunday and have that money at 3:02 am for all my 3:15 am shopping needs.
RhythmicNoodle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Colony
Crowbrit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thanks first man to land on Mars. I just really like space.
thraashman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete replacment of fossil fuels as an energy source
KrisBkh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Treble anal penetration
PhoenixRising819 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To find intelligent life on earth. No you didn't read that wrong.
gfjq23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want a self - driving car. I just want driving directions to pop up in AR on my windshield.
CK530 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, obviously.
WarLordM123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:35 on August 16, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Said the same thing. Also, that's not her last name my dude
DanielFrigginJackson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Economics, ECONOMICS, EcOnOmIcS!
Oblepf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Big companies run for the betterment of mankind instead of just squeezing out every last dime that they can.
Maybe some day profits won't matter so much and we'll just help each other... I can only hope.
doxob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making replaceable human organs a norm. Just like how you go to the workshop to maintain your car, it'd be fucking nice to go in to a hospital and get your failing kidneys replaced with a synthetic one.
arnone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Type One Diabetes. Please and Thank you.
kirlia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feeling really optimistic from reading all the responses in this thread :)
Sanity_Assasin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to the issue of climate change
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the end of the internet
paparapappao ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time space continuum and everything about it
OpheliaBalsaq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:22:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A submersible on Europa. I've been dying to see what's underneath all that ice for about 20 years now.
Soren11112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why does nobody say making people have a significantly longer lifespan?
tm_800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because it's a bad idea that will leave to an even more overcrowded planet, where the government will have to fund a population which is either out of work due to Jobs < suitable employees, or simply a majority population unable to work due to age!
ThatGaaraKid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for depression
DerkDurski ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel open the public
Imapony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Tourism
I want to take a scenic flight around the moon, maybe even be able to land on it.
SlothMaestro69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rise of true democracy
andy3thousand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Highly responsive, highly precise brain-interfacing prosthetics. Think Star Wars prosthetic forearm and hand.
tm_800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to the toilet without having to get up and go, or have any dodgy equipment hooked up to your junk! Like in Family Guy, 'one poop removal please'
Maleficus1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power would be swell. It's safer than fission power, and as close to free energy as we're likely to get. And then we can stop burning hydrocarbons.
Tokestra420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coke or Pepsi finally win the war
la_bromita ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total animal liberation. No more using, imprisoning, or murdering human or non human animals.
xLordGrimx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Then all other discoveries will be in my lifetime.
Kariston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump out of office
David-J ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End for profit health care.
jdennis187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real investigation into 9/11
MarsUDropout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a probe to reach another star system.
im_tired19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really looking forward to full-dive virtual reality, if done right I think it will be amazing.
bettereditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upload consciousness to cloud/computer/new body.
sakurarose20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People not resorting to terrorism to retaliate against the actions of a government. We get it. You're pissed. So are the rest of us. But honestly, instead of blowing shit up and killing civilians, please respect that we have no power over what our government does.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yes you do, its called voting, try it sometime
sakurarose20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I did. And even though Hillary got the majority vote, the electoral college decided to say, "Fuck your feelings," and now look what we've got.
ThatRenegade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Form a world government and abolish currency as a whole.
md715fox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Currency will never be abolished. You need to be able to quantify the value of resources for society to function. Access to currency for everyone maybe, but it would be impossible to get rid of it all together, human society would collapse.
The610___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% abandonment of religion, and a collective, worldly focus on science.
MissKatie86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MCT oil/powder? I tried it on my grandad, he said it was like a light had been switched on. I only wish he had taken the memory test the week before he passed to see if any improvement was made. If not, it sure made him feel better in the final months. I miss him.
sonoframbo17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone climb 5.16a
zehamberglar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computing becoming the standard.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the production of basic necessities for all at no cost to the recipient
we have the means to provide for one another without needing to be paid. we just have to want to do it together, for one another.
lagan_derelict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For humans to (mostly) get along with each other like beings from different planets (mostly) got along with each other on Star Trek.
TBrown_Design ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global denuclearization.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Technological break through in desalination and massive desalination projects with water pipelines all through the USA Mexico and Canada. The whole world if possible.
bhd55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Non threatening AI. Self learning, super intelligent AI. Everything else would be solved with it. Global warming, disease, clean water. All of it.
MoggX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End the killing of animals in shelters, no more homeless pets.
Chrizzee_Hood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof that life is not unique to earth. Bacteria on Europa, Enceladus or Titan would be great.
Ammiel7258 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good spellcheck.
cjfrey96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self sustaining colony on Mars.
TiagoTiagoT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring out how to create a safe super-AI, and creating one before it's too late.
After that, there will be very little that won't be in our reach.
txanarchy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to extend a human life and health by 500 years.
Smoke_Imix_God ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The release of half life 3 which will excess anybody's wildest expectations!
kyraallerton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A machine that folds our clothes for us
aelric22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold fusion or just sustainable fusion in general adopted as the standard electric grid power source.
It will solve 75% of the world's problems that stem from energy demand and power struggles over oil reserves. That, and just to shut the non-believers up.
bmoreoriginal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every car on the road fully automated
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the end of sexism racism and transphobia i.e the total annihilation of right wingers and their views (cough cough Drumpfers)
DaRealRomp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure death from old age
FrankRawL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A government that is actually run and managed by the people. It would be an improved version of direct democracy. Instead of electing someone to represent your views, you would represent your views yourself via votes and proposals.
"Hey Frank, do you want to go bowling tonight?"
"sorry guys, I need to allocate my taxes and vote on the most recent bill proposals tonight, but maybe next week. It looks like my latest proposal was downvoted to hell so I want to see what happened there."
"Sounds good Frank, maybe next week."
mycakeisalie1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
first fusion reactor and by god if i have to i will design it
ThatDudeSquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We got all day breakfast at McDonald's. I'm waiting to be able to get a damn burger at 8 in the morning.
Redman_Goldblend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whataburger
ThatDudeSquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
According to the store locator we have 0 in Pennsylvania.
Redman_Goldblend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your answer is move to Texas.
ThatDudeSquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I actually wouldn't mind that one bit.
Redman_Goldblend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good place, sad I'm moving.
jawdroppingjack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial intelligence that doesn't end up destroying humanity
mksicily ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon
kingkeelay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A planet-wide project to turn landfills and trash into energy/goods.
t0f0b0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A colony on the moon or Mars.
Curing cancer and Alzheimer's disease would be better though. Then we can do the colonization.
SuperiorPeach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A woman President. Yeah I said it- come at me motherfuckers.
jerrodm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL Communication
NewWonderer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading our brain to a computer so we can live on in the future
papers_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for diabetes. It runs in my dad's side of the family and my dad currently has it. He takes pills daily. He LOVES to eat so he gets his exercise in by playing racket ball in the gym or going on a run with me.
He hasn't let his diabetes keep him back from doing what he loves: buying/flipping houses to rent out.
ncfears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about people just stop being such cunts to each other?
PerduraboFrater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First factory in space I have roughly 40 years life left so who knows.
TLAW1998 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of vaccinations
Malachi_Contant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon.
CrazyPieGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to copy a person's brain into a computer to live forever.
Destr0p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people on mars. And not in the same sense we went to the moon. Actual human expansion into the galaxy.
And AI would be cool
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting closer to equal distribution of wealth for everybody. I feel like it will drive the entire human race forward because people who didn't have much wealth before will now be able to worry a bit less about surviving.
Rycross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asteroid mining.
Gimme_some_words ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, I just want to see the next Jimi Hendrix, and I want to see that shit live!
baudelaireorphan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extensive public transit systems that make individual cars all but irrelevant.
HaxzorJimDuggan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get our ass to Mars.
dirteMcgirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extinction of religion.
102indie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bluetooth actually working
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An exception for the second law of thermodynamics?
Brugman87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am not that up to date so i don't know how far they're at but Human Colonisation of another planet would be sick to see.
TardyMoments ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recreational drugs to be taxed and sold in specific stores with the appropriate information about them. Taking the power away from cartels and eradicating the unnecessary violence they cause to keep their operations running. People WILL ALWAYS use drugs, we should make it as safe as possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable space travel.
paross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see a lot of people talking about curing cancer.
What is the preferred disease to die from? Even curing cancer won't make us immortal. Will "dying peacefully in your sleep" really be the default when we cure cancer and heart disease?
Redman_Goldblend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd prefer that way to go if I had a choice. But I think people are mostly speaking about how it takes life old and way to young.
paross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can agree that it sucks and we should try our best to help prolong the life of the young.
But we're also dealing with overpopulation as a species and frankly, I don't want to live forever. So, at some point we must concede to our frail human condition. I personally choose to place my hope in eternity rather than the barbarism of "modern" medical practices. Not that I wouldn't elect to have a life saving surgery, but I just don't think some conditions can be recovered from.
Redman_Goldblend ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:45:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So why not just eliminate all modern medicine, farming, etc. and let the chips fall where they may?
I appreciate your concern for earth, but believe me she will be around much longer than us all.
My heart just breaks when I see a child succumb to an illness I would hope we can beat one day.
paross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you miss the part where I accept medicine?
haxpaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to upload my consciousness to a mainframe computer and live forever after my body is dead.
ibarra_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for tinnitus
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable colony on Mars or the moon.
hazlilley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:27:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reunification of south Korea and true Korea
Sutarmekeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earphones that don't break easily.
(All the good shit's been said already.)
Old-School-Lover ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti depression and anxiety medication that works perfectly with no side effects would be good for society.
vaulthunter98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The opportunity to see other planets, meet new species. Pretty much live in Mass Effect haha
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great people with wisdom we can all learn from, wisdom is very valuable.
VREVGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Hunger
TurtleBanter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure to motor neurone disease aka ALS and other diseases like it. It's terrible, I've lost three loved ones to it all ready, and I'm not even 20 yet. They forget everything, and the worst part is when they can't remember you anymore.
frivolous_name ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboard's that actually hover.
ne1av1cr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
omgwtfidk89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop thinking of the world as, us or them.
Thetravelingboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An afterlife. It would be nice if we build one before I die...
sweaterandsomenikes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them
Tschaggi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The absence of military forces.
Boutieres ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of globalism and liberalism.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of organized religion. I know some people claim they are better people because of it, but it's leeched its way into everything and has divided countries, families, the world... Been the cause of so many millions of death.
drag51 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The advancement in CRISPR Cas9 like technologies and control our genetic code.
AequitasKiller ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human and Artificial intelligence symbiosis.
RowThree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp drive.
FourthRain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer, HIV, and Alzheimer's.
bfmGrack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End Malaria
Chew_Chew_Train ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Democracy. I want to see the people of this world take control of their lives and their future. Unfortunately, were very far from that.
Neekvolante ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To see all mankind quit referring to Alzheimers as old timers.
Srp45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For people to figure out how to flush in public restrooms. One day...
the_enchanter_tim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap, high quality, tasty, worldwide lab grown meat. Thats the only way we'll end animal suffering and many environmental problems we face.
Not a vegan btw, just a very aware and guilty bacon eater.
WarlaxZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleporters. I'm lazy as fuck
HoeChiMinh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dick in a dick
Preator_Shepard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space tourism. I want to save up for a year and take a vacation on the moon, or mars or any of the other planets.
wickedishere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decriminalization of all drugs.
desto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religions
corninmypoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding life somewhere other than earth.
Pop_Dop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Civilization on Mars
TheDustland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Establishing human life on other planets.
IsItReallyTrueHmm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find life on another planet. Would make me So happy :)
Malcolmpargin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for cancer. Or at the very least a vaccine.
Northstars97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting a girlfriend
ScaryPillow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and prosperity.
hippybones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for ageing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lab generated meat being available and affordable to everyone- even less expensive than factory slaughtered animals. then some sort of sanctions or laws on the mass production of meat in factories (ideally making it illegal)
Xethaios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full cybernetic conversion. I want to be a brain piloting a 7 foot tall massively of metal and ceramic, missing my dick because I can't jack off.
acdghy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing on mars
xXnewuserXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Traveling at near the speed of light
Epicpinguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolishing capitalism
Mike122844 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Atomically precise 3D printing with (near) Star Trek replicator functionality. A lot of answers here are about manned space flight, renewable energy, health care, or clean water. A replicator would enable all those things.
luvintheride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The love of neighbor.
HeavilyLightweight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joint UN mission to Mars.
Tink_619 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So much this!! I have bipolar 2, generalized anxiety disorder, and ADHD. I've felt like a science experiment for years trying to find the "right" medication combo.
lapiz4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% effective male birth control.
another30yovirgin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spend some time around a four year-old.
captaincupcake234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful commercialized fusion power.
But since that's always 20 years away....
Access to clean drinking water for all. I'm a groundwater hydrogeologist so it's a dream of mine to see.
_Beckham11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Person on Mars
irie_vibe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna make it through the week
PotentiallyVeryHigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not going to happen at this rate but... I want to see humanity become a multiple planet species.
Aethers66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hitting myself in the center of my forehead with a ballpoint hammer.
Luiehuie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with the outside world not yet explored
codefreak8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A microwave that freezes things, instead of heating them.
Domri_Rade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ordering Domino's just by thinking about it.
TryinToBeHappy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Light-Speed Space Travel.
eaglesnyanks756 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:30:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal marijuana
Maestrogrp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for dumbfuckery
Pelvic_Sorcery420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars and robotic exploration of some of the interplanetary moons that could possibly support life
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total nuclear disarmament.
> 90% of people under democratic government.
IT_Chef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too much Mars stuff in this thread. It is unrealistic at this point in time (next 20 years)
While I agree that a manned mission to Mars would be great, I think that a semi-permanent, semi-self sustaining colony on the Moon would do more for the mission to Mars than any other Earthly simulations.
SeanH2025 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive VR would be pretty great.
mklipstick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A truly functional, perfect, robot vacuum cleaner that doesn't clog up and need to be cleaned constantly.
RomansFiveEight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, all of the "important" ones are covered; cures for diseases for example.
I'd like to see the next big telecommunications boom, whatever it might be. Maybe some sort of new way to make satellites work so we could all have high speed, unlimited bandwidth broadband anywhere in the world. Something that doesn't have the issues of contemporary satellite technologies (doesn't work in buildings, isn't very small), could fit in a smartphone, etc.
And a genuine fossil-fuel ending energy technology. One that's so cost effective, that the issues of whether or not to regulate fossil fuels further becomes moot; because there's just no reason to use them.
boydo579 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unrestricted, anonymous, and unfiltered/unaltered internet access to all people. Everyone deserves a chance to strive, everyone deserves and needs education to do that the most efficient and effective way possible.
minilefthand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the mental health stigma
Le_German_Face ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
alexander_london ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Certainly not the most urgent one on here but a cure for hair loss would be swell. For both men and women.
Reaches4Peaches ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fact that all these comments and more would have be done by now if not for ethics and politics.
I just want people to realize that we're all the same universe, and that there's nothing to be gained from being dicks to one another.
datchilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit think tanking a problem and actually solving it.
donsqualo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them, but immortality would be the first
sidjai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A quantum computer in every University.
ElFoco12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the human men over at US Soccer to achieve a World Cup in my lifetime.
upyoursize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A revolution within the manufacturing realm; I want to see an end to all the plastic junk that has accumulated over the years from all the products we have created. Electronics, appliances, tools, toys, etc. All this stuff will take thousands of years to break down, and it's all toxic crap.
Finding materials as strong as plastic but don't stick around way after we're dead would be amazing.
ZKTA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to successfully clone a human. Imagine how cool it would be to clone yourself and then raise yourself from a baby
commiezilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to mars
FixBayonetsLads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to live to see another planet colonized.
Ckrag217 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We already have Heelys and fidget spinners. What else could we ask for?
StickyEastLABandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Diabetes. It's very much a silent and slow killer.
Clap4boobies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A clear 2 way on fast food drive throughs
Fascist_Regime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual porn that is indistinguishable from real life.
T-Rexauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 500kg Olympic Weightlifting total.
vaderdarklord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
inventing a rewind button.when pressed, we all go back to the stone age.But, the real achievement will be the ability to take that decision to go back.
Istealbaguettes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment of a US President
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mel Brooks being awarded a Nobel peace prize for his efforts in religous, gender and racial equality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see hate and stigma towards people with addictions and mental health issues end, and want to see taking care of the mind/emotions as routine as taking care of your body
danilkom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Others want a cure to aids, sustainable energy, food for everybody...
Meanwhile, I want a holographic waifu.
Fight me.
xbox_inmy_veins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fps without campers!!! You all said something thats actually possible like humans on Mars.
wendoll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NFL with only a month of off season.
in_circles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A land speed record over 1000mph.
Caelestialis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hover Cars/Bikes/Transportation. Think Star Wars landspeeders and scout bikes..
Whisk3ywhisk3y78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see valve release half life 3
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A change in a few borders.
blueptdairy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for type 1 diabetes...I will never stop worrying about me son, whether his blood sugar is too high or too low, if he may pass out or slip into a coma at night and never wake up. Fuck diabetes! Even though you can control it, it can wreck your body
soaringtyler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To just plug your brain to a machine and live a simulated video game.
Bulldogmasterace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans colonizing mars
pandelicaalex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna climb the Everest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rounding up all of the racists, anti-lgbt, and super wealthy and putting them in prison camps. Indefinitely.
MaesterBarth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery and/or creation of other intelligent life in the universe.
Peatmoss613 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instantaneous travel over vast distances.
cstrande7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:34:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact/discovering life elsewhere is on the top of my list. And then, witnessing a fucking supernova, oh yeah.
wsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to upload our mind to a computer would be pretty cool.
Atoning_Unifex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
greatly extended life spans
Morawka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light space travel.
DaquanHaloz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cured.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jose Altuve breaking Pete Rose's hits record.
OlgaOpressionberry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All out nuclear war.
Bieza ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see the singularity. Walking around with a computer chip in my head that can do everything out phone's can would be awesome. Know how to speak any language anytime, literally have a calculator on you at all times, be able to Google anything at any time.
Its_just_Serg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully functional synthetic bodies that we can transfer our brains into.
thesiegelife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working Ubisoft servers
reddit809 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
US presidential impeachment.
AustinJGray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of the Solar System, for the long term sake of our species. Its one thing to want a cure for a couple diseases but overall id rather be on my way out knowing for certain that the human races future is secured. The greater good
justsomeguy000317 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Timetravel and figuring out the history of the pyramids in Egypt
rameninside ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonization would be cool, with or without subsequent tourism. I've got probably another 50-60 years left (knock on wood), so it seems unlikely, but here I am still hoping.
JRRS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moving over fossil fuels for our energy needs. That burning coal, oil or gas for energy needs looks archaic.
strangefish108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People living in space.
HeyThatsNotFair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Politics like in Star Trek
tavich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty much the goal of every project Elon Musk starts I would like to see complete in my lifetime (To the point where nothing greater can be achieved)
WillG4334 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
communism
macbook_pancakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M.A.R.S.
Mars bitches
Mintyfreshsmell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want VR to be like SAO, but without the whole killing you thing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No racism
davebgray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see full driverless technology. I think that there's a whole host of time that will be opened up, lives saved, kids having independence and opportunities, and fewer cars owned. Imagine getting dropped off at work and having your car return home to take your kids to school.
AdumLarp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have two. I want to see a human land on Mars, and I want to see fully realized (or mostly realized anyway) cybernetics. Like, a cybernetic hand that can do everything your real hand could do before you lost it. I think that would be amazing. They've already come so damn far, I think it might be possible.
PyrZern ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Warfare.
Thundarrx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of all religion.
kinnikinnick321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High speed bullet train up and down the west coast of the USA.
VikingsFan816 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Vikings win a super bowl.
uplifthumanity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for type 1 diabetes or at least the decline of insulin prices. Not many people understand it and just chalk it up to bad eating habits and think that it is self inflicted.
Bustapalapeno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man on the moon.
I was born after the last time anyone went up there, and it would mean alot to do it again. Not just technologically, but symbolically in reference to our focus as a species.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
politics where people actually work together for the people vs for the money
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space sex
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic enhancements
Jberg18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see full VR where you can plug in at night, play a video game, then wake up refreshed.
xerxesshock2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars.
S4ND3R50N ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put my brain in a robot please.
NSJ3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal love, tolerance, and compassion.
PM_ME_HIGH_GROUND ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel
NEED_A_NEW_UN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asteroid Mining
TheCrystalGem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the day humans figure out how not to fuck everything up.
Razirra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Treatments and better doctor training for chronic or "new" illnesses such as mast cell activation syndrome, persistent Lyme disease, or chronic fatigue syndrome. Chronic illness is on the rise as medical care improves for acute conditions, and we have not kept pace. I and many others spend our whole lives dealing with a frustrating and occasionally condemning system.
CarlySortof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Was hoping top comment would just be "Not having to die"
dualpegasus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity
Daedalus_Odyssey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
ClassifiedPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel
RespectThyHood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
+1 vote for finding a cure for cancer. I was diagnosed with stage 3a testicular last year and beat that son of a bitch. It's a terrible disease that affects not only the patient, but the families of patients as well. Fuck whatever we're consuming or being exposed to.
That and healthcare should somehow be universally attainable for everyone. Related to cancer, I've seen many families crumble under the financial burdens of cancer and other diseases. :(
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meat that is made in a lab and not from animals. I love my animal friends but meat is delicious. <3
Jebediah_Johnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see grandchildren born to planetary colonists.
I have no doubt we can land on another planet, and have astronauts live there for a length of time. I would be impressed if they could have children. I would die peacefully knowing the species could survive if those children could survive to maturity and withstand the rigors of radiation and extraterrestrial living to have their own healthy children.
Nightmeerkat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent off-Earth colonization. If I can live to witness the first child born on Mars, I'll die with hope for humanity.
allmhuran ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probable: Energy revolution (already getting underway); widespread adoption of advanced carbon materials (nanotubes, graphene)
Possible: Manned landing on Mars; The early stages CRISPR, the next generation of computers (quantum? diamond?)
Unlikely but awesome: A humanist ideology that can overcome the grip of religion; A new economic model that doesn't result in horrendous injustice; A political system with built in defense against corruption;
The dream: A well educated, scientifically and logically literate global population - achieve this and humanity can realise its potential instead of wasting so much of its time on nonsense.
ripjacked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Non invasive healthcare. Like shit from the movies where they just scan a wand thing over you and detect cancer and recommend treatment.
Visibeaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful colonization of another planet
EllensburgRodeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for various medical issues. Especially cancers, mental disorders (mostly those found In elderly). Pretty much and medical issue that isn't your fault haha.
Ramza_Claus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post-scarcity society
CLearyMcCarthy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity. I'm ready to turn over the reigns.
Cody6781 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Covenisberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life found on another planet
martijnvel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to space ive always loved space and would love to go to space
Obyson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Organ farms
Being able to let's say have organs made and frozen for me as part of life insurance or something similar.
BABYEATER1012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see one 24hr day where no one on the planet is murdered.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful anti-ageing therapy. I don't mind having a finite lifespan (well, I do, but that one might not be solvable for generations, if it ever is), but I hate the idea of growing old and infirm. A finite lifespan spent in my prime would be my personal holy grail.
Applecrap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
And subsequently every other achievement.
alexfromla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using magnets as a source of renewable energy. By the same token, using planetary magnetic fields to launch spaceships or land them. Elon, I'm looking at you brah.
SteamPoweredAshley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The grandest human achievement I could possibly view is humanity's own self destruction.
japsidious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Grown ups covering their mouths when they cough or sneeze. Also not coughing or sneezing into their hands.
I feel like this is asking for world peace.
outwar6010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comfortable space travel like in sci fi shows
Zenmaster366 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub-9 second 100m. I know they worked it out that currently 9.01 is the perfect run but I just have to believe someone could do the impossible. Maybe if we get 2 perfect sprinters and an extra burst of adrenaline from the competition.
Mercy_Main-btw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cells that have no limit to replications/divisions, and cannot become cancerous.. Regrowth of limbs, Eradication of diseases via CRISPR. These are a few.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolishment of nuclear weapons worldwide
HKFukIt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People learn to mind there own damn business.
favvoskjortan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality (in theory), unlimited DNA-repair, telomere- and stem cell regeneration through engineered repair proteins or genetic modification.
heels_n_skirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Traveling and walking among the stars in a reasonable time without cryosleep
potatobanditparty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely exploring the ocean.
Cynize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full immersion VR. Where you basically control your body in a game world. You hear, feel, see, smell everything as you would in real life. I want this so bad.
ThePizzapocolypse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mechwarriors and sex bots
PlayOffWords ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fast, cheap, long distance transportation.
Madfermentationist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of alien life.
Careful_Houndoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personal: Cures to all auto-immune diseases.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A commercialized fucking cure for cancer and HIV. I know it's out there, it's time to start sharing. * cough* big pharma sucks cough
SirGarryGalavant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable energy, and an end to oil dependence.
Rubbertoe218 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hair loss cure for us bald humans.
Sound_Flames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man land on Mars
candycane475 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see that dude who's trying to replicate the Red Bull jump from space actually survive. He wants to be dropped from that altitude but while inside a giant ball...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more Grid power for my house. Ontario Hydro and OPG need to suck my nuts before I die.
supergalactic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Number of children limited to 1 per household for at least 10 years to get our population under control.
There are 11k comments as of this writing so I'm not worried about a shitshow of replies
Jack_Attack_21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cute for Alzheimer's and an Iron Man suit
DankClutch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for death.
dogbunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All humans able to use public restrooms as intended.
iMaltais ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer detection being as easy as a pregnancy test and treatable like a cold
NSJ3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Last White Fox just broke the internet!!!!
AnonymousWanderings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
These are all sci-fi/health related, but honestly, I just want ASOIAF completed.
ReRo27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sustainable colony on Mars or the Moon.
Els_worthy1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:38:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UBI - Universal Basic Income. Healthcare, food, education, and shelter should be universally free. Imagine what we could come up with if we didn't have to worry about making enough to feed ourselves. The art, the cool new inventions.
ZBXY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watch Phish play 13 shows in a row at MSG without repeating a song.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Duh.
puta_trinity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean air
N897 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genetic perfection using gene editing. This could lead to immortality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly from our government and leadership.
Hallonsorbet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion
RiotSloth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for baldness! (Next year would be great, thanks)
XavierBob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every living human having access to (clean and safe) water, food, and maybe even electricity.
FuriousDoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth running on renewable energy
Scherazade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want sexual control measures be available everywhere for free.
No, fuck off religion. If one or more people want to have sexual intercourse (in whatever way they wish) but are uninterested in recieving pregnancy or STDs, it should be their right to be able to easily prevent that no matter their socioeconomic status or geographical location.
If god wishes to contest this, in whatever form your god takes, then they can discuss it rationally with the person directly, without your damn interference.
There are ways and means for your god to file complaints about people having safe sex. Stop preventing safe fucking!
N897 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
really..... Out of everything, that's the achievement you want to see? Smh
Scherazade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems reasonable to me that it could actually happen. Balls to the wall anything goes, I want us to have space elevator projects and moon colonies and some easy way of curing autism and afasia so my sibling can talk and not be essentially a child in an adult's body, but realistically cheap condoms and etc everywhere on Earth feels like it could actually happen.
Catorak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For us to move beyond politics that consist of shitting all over eachother.
ufo2mstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cracking the gene code to cure any disease or prolong life! Or at least to crack the consciousness rifle and the come up with the ability to upload our consciousness to there internet!!
Liv4lov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars.
chikenwingking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A full-fledged animated horror movie
Spooky_Fish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Programmable matter
Grenadingue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A worldwide true democracy.
ads90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars
smokeslides ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kinda unrealistic but iโd love to see time travel. Just for personal reasons i guess.
daguitar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some Sword Art Online type virtual reality gaming for Counter Strike, of course
RealBenWoodruff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A football team to three peat as AP champs.
Roll Tide
jpendley002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That all the flat earthers come to realization that is it round..
GhostofCascadia ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or to die. Either way.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
George RR Martin finishing A Song of Ice and Fire would be a magnificent achievement.
thetburg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was promised a flying car by the future. I WANT MY FLYING CAR GODDAMMIT! ahem....carry on.
bleuraevynne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to commit suicide by black hole
Bretspot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human serving General AI
never_trust_AI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for hearing loss
DFNiner33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free sex
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see them actually jail someone for the financial crisis.
crnext ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I honestly want to see all the stupid ass-idiots and selfish douchebags on the freeway permanently lose their got-damn drivers license and a giant sticker across the rear window that reads
DRIVING ILLEGALLY
sickofallofyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL.
jkhaynes147 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact
danunderscorep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A permanent colony/station on the moon. I want us to get to Mars eventually, but baby steps.
Tykenolm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to homelessness and starvation in developed countries, I would say undeveloped too but I'm trying to keep this reasonable. I think it's sad how many homeless people I see when I go to Minneapolis/St. Paul, and we're not even the biggest cities in the country, not by a longshot.
lastatlas_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interplanetary travel or atleast some really solid progress towards us creating a working X Wing. Cure for cancers of all forms, cure for dementia/alz, medicine has come so unbelievably far in the last century that i believe it's truly possible now
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:40:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NASA not needing money, always given what they want to pursue the cosmos.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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GhostofCascadia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is that?
Toz5824 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fast, affordable Internet for all
Chiffmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being a bunch of morons.
MachoVerde ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace aka. Humanity under a single flag.
DrXitomatl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CO2 levels go back to 1850 levels
AShyRag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Naruto powers
Bigduck73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drone pizza
MacPho13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kindness and empathy
wolfmojo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Currently scientists are working on reviving woolly mammoths from extinction. Once they've been brought back I believe the plan is to introduce them into Siberia. If I live long enough to see that with my own eyes, dying happy would be an understatement.
Leprechorn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First me on Mars
Sanusitg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
niikhil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for World hunger . I mean I see so much of food wastage around me and it hurts cause no one deserves to sleep on a hungry stomach
MrShekelstein17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exploring Europa's Oceans.
psycharious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse aging, immortality, invincibility, interstellar space travel, and time travel. I'd prefer to not die and spend eternity exploring the multiverse.
Wtvfuckit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality would be pretty neat.
inmymindseyedea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
SlashBringinHasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religion Declining, Secularism Surging
gr33nG3nt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Wednesday Frog being the highest post on reddit.
HAMcleaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trips to space becoming a routine vacation
Inconvenientother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing AI making AI on it own, becoming a loop hole and forming a black hole in the universe.
fleebflob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not wiping each other out with some weapon or disease. And being really optimistic here, but maybe one day we'll get along.
hookem101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:42:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
box-art ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somekind of clean, sustainable energy source, whether its antimatter, solar, water, wind or whatever, just cheap, clean and sustainable energy from some source that will never run out. And not just for homes, but for cars as well. Not electric cars but cars that do have actual engines, but that use something else than fossil fuels as a source of power.
Edit: Finding life somewhere else. I don't care how far away that planett is, I just want us to find another planet with intelligent life out there. There's an infinite number of stars in the sky, I'll be damned if one of them isn't light from another planet that's similar to ours.
Teruraku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A self sustaining colony on mars.
mforce187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The legalization of marijuana in the United States.
mr_cookatoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking a coconut with succes
xelu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Type 1 Civilization
WilleBweendeuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
theterriblefamiliar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion energy.
HippiePanda96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of The Daily Mail and other bullshit like it.
DaddyMemeMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon. Eliud Kipchoge ran a 2:00:26 in a very controlled, non-official setting with the Nike team a few months ago. The official world record is about 3 minutes over, but experts believe a human could one day run a 1:58 marathon. I believe that we might see the 2 hour barrier officially broken in the next few decades as athletes continue to get stronger.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/06/sports/eliud-kipchoge-marathon-nike-shoes.amp.html
Grakchawwaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Viable fusion power
Jhublit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion...a clean energy source makes so much else possible.
brouwjon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Superintelligence!
Humans are special only insofar as we're intelligent. A system vastly more intelligent and capable than all of humanity combined would be so incredible to see.
Theres_A_FAP_4_That ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than sound travel!
Itshighnoon777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Besides the obvious, efficient treatments for all types of cancers, it'd be amazing if we could find a way to slow down the aging process. Or transporting our consciousness into another body effectively.
DollarAkshay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Super Intelligence
Mr_Industrial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, IDK about you guys but I want to see us achieve omnipotence.
Ryuzaki413 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First men/women on Mars
justyourbarber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing depression would be helpful to r/me_irl
ConAirInmate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:43:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The self-immolation of all SJW nitwits and that all decisions are made based upon legitimate facts and empirical data.
_Search_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: science goals
darthbarracuda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peaceful, consensual and universal human extinction.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We land on mars, realize its boring, and never do it again
beepbeepsalad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us getting to mars. USA
ShitpostingSalamence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to put my brain in a robot when I get old and lonely
That's one of the things that the singularity of man and machine is, right?
gonewoatrace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars
chadbrochillout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free energy on a global scale.
letitgoelsa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3.
epsilon-naught ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The establishment of basic income schemes all around the world.
incompetech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see the death of agriculture. I would like to see desertification utterly reversed. I would like to see soiI fertility increased, soil being built, rather than destroyed. I would like to see our society transition from extractive and destructive to regenerative and creative.
sf_davie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Growing organs from stem cells.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see all you be happy :3
thegr8estgeneration ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Housing, food, and medical care for everyone in the world. We already have the means, all we lack is the will.
thefabulousbomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see an end to all the hunting and poaching of endagered animals, and an end to all the unnecessary wars political conflicts, or at least a starting point to end it all, I just want to leave a better world for my future children.
RalphieRaccoon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars, routine spaceflight (preferably on something cheaper than a BDL) and commercial fusion.
UglyTuco89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WORLD PEACE
KineticRo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Photosynthesis.
Ark613 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A failed businessman turned reality star becoming President.
Geekronimous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Again?
Ark613 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No, just joking. Once is too much. Can it end now? Serious question. Help us all.
PhantomHunter01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a man (or woman) on mars.
it would just be cool, honestly.
Letuur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Make sea water drinkable.
Kerls_one ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:44:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for all types of cancer.
MrSlothKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3.
I'm being reasonable, right?
ElMoncho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation... That would be awesome. Imagine all the resources we would save and amount of damage to the environment that would be avoided.
darsonia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought a decent well made burger from McDonald's was a fair ask until I read the Alzheimer's thread.
Jaereth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleporters.
spacedude2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mariners getting to the playoffs
PlayaHatinIG-88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this may seem like an unattainable goal but world peace would be nice. I'm so tired of people dying fighting and dying over who's flying spaghetti monster is right. The part that blows my mind is that most major religions preach togetherness and the like yet we can't just agree that most of us want the same thing. To live without oppression and hate. I have lived nearly my entire life during war time. It's getting old. I just want even a short period of 20 years where I can say that we have peace. I know these sound like the pipe dreams of a very naive person but I know we can do this.
ulterion0715 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Utopia, though sadly I know beyond any and all doubt that this will never happen. Ever.
harrison_kion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on mars. Ask anyone from the previous generation and they will say that the moon landings where quite the thing. I wish i could have seen them
wheatfields ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tissue and organ regeneration. The closest I have seen this become a reality is oddly enough with foreskin regeneration. There seems to be quite the movement behind it from a small community, but seeing as its mostly tissue, its probably a good place to start.
xtremechaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Banning of involuntary Circumcision for all minors, of both genders.
It will be a huge day for human rights.
cipher__ten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for human greed.
dancas313 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
De-commissioning every last nuclear warhead.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not only self driving cars but either a ban or separation of man operated cars from self driving ones.
Essentially eliminates traffic and can decrease travel time
Burn0Things ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full immersion vr.
stellar122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To end the climate change, I hope they can changed the world forever by doing good to it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobots either injected, swallowed, or slathered on in cream form that can repair/revitalize the human body. Goodbye brushing teeth, goodbye heart attacks, goodbye brain disease. Being able to pursue what you REALLY want to do in life because you have no physical or mental limits would be amazing.
Switchback94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World piece.
trunksfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel. Or the definitive discovery of wormholes
creamyC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact.
monsoongalaxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All people getting along where one country doesn't want to blow the other up.
DominoJustice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The accessable cure for major diseases
SiscoSuave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True virtual reality immersion like in Sword Art Online
mundozeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life is beautiful - Was happy until the end.
Geekronimous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to live "healthy" at least 200 years. And A.I. Taking decisions in government.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel. Talk about exploration! Sadly I doubt this will happen.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:46:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
teleportation
SimpleSeahorse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mission to Mars
smartaxe21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity!
lukaskhan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The year is 2029 The machines will convince that they are conscience That they have their own agenda worthy of our respect. They'll embody human qualites Claim to be human... And we'll believe them.
Flintoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a means of reversing desertification and providing clean water in the desert would be a good change.
secesh32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to reach another solar system in one person's lifetime.
Nicbudd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A person solving a Rubiks Cube in under 3 seconds at a competition.
C'mon, /u/fazrulz, I know you can do it!
Jim_Nills_Mustache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of alien life
lavivian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing everyone in a electric car
Soulja92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Losing my viginity
dapperwinfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of Myopia and Hyperopia.
_The-Big-Giant-Head_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kitchen Microwaves to be an instant teleport machine for all take away orders. No more take away delivery people.
Random-Miser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for aging, and the invention of IRL "save points" similar to 5th Element.
francohab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apocalypse (I hope I'm wrong)
ThisIsGregQueen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd say simply no more humans dying due to lack of basic needs (food,water,sanitation, etc) and the end of all wars would be brilliant.
TheRavenousRabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion - it would solve pretty much every single energy need we have, and we've made a lot of progress in the field, which makes it a likely thing to happen during my lifetim.
DamJNeT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new political erra, end of capitalism and consumerism. Governments working towards what people need and want. A world where the focus is global happiness and the well being of everything inhabiting the Earth, instead of money, power and selfishness... A world that cares about the many, and not the few... One can dream, right ?
xgokuyvegetax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans living in others planets, and travel around the universe like Star Wars. :3
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The second warp jump/FTL drive jump to another place. I say the second because I fully expect the first to end in catastrophe.
btowntkd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity. Not dying would be awesome.
24Nuketown7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good prosthetics. Like Star Wars levels of prosthetics and cybernetics.
Creativation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity becoming a sustainably permanent multi-planet species.
busboy207 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the American political system to not be so influenced by corporate needs. People making good decisions on the need and not the bottom line.
Or a diet drink that doesn't taste diet.
sleazyshark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for baldness. Want to see a world with no bald people.
joeclark5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing awful diseases like cancer and dementia, reversing climate change with renewable energy.
orochishin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People seeing pass their differences. Letting people be whoever they want to be without any stigmas attached and work together towards the betterment of humanity.
roiben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Automatation of the workforce making not working the standard and mental health an important thing. People wanting to do something they actually want to. Social and political activism and education being treated as a second nature.
Wavemanns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading of our consciousness into computers.
Nintendobandit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A denuclearized Planet. :(
Chrisixx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical achievements mostly (curing cancer, removal of genetic diseases, etc). First man on Mars would be neat, but I rather we sustain our current planet and make humans healthier.
src88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:48:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for male pattern baldness! Nothing gets me more down than this on a daily (more like hourly) basis.
shortbusterdouglas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
beard up.
work out.
shave your dome.
embrace your hairless scalp as we do, brother.
join us.
src88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
-Already super ripped. -Don't have a properly shaped head to rock it. -beards don't look right on me. The thick kind that is.
Some of us are screwed!!!
NayMarine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the apocalypse, i guess it would be a human underachievement
FromFrankie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way off.
1fromUK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum Supremacy
tigerinhouston ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Greatly extended human lifespan.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of willful ignorance/end of valuing opinions over facts.
TheWhiteLlama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
18 years old here, would at least like to see colonization of another planet at least become possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World-wide communism
ProjectKurtz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: We practice our Miss America speeches.
I'm surprised I haven't seen "world peace" yet.
breally989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People having common sense
shoCk729 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to be able to eat Mexican food without having to take a giant shit afterwards.
GothicElectric ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the transference of human consciousness to sexy android bodies. :3
1IlOQ0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see my buddy cured of duchenne's muscular dystrophy with the new advances of CRISPR
mongey_quell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump winning a 2nd term
wggn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smarter-than-human general AI
thenameist- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living pollution free.
bowsori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The building of a dyson sphere, i wanna live long
SubFour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:49:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see the Hyperloop concept come to fruition.
jhat12345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M-A-R-S, mars bitches. Thats where we are going. RED ROCKS. YAE-YAEE. https://youtu.be/N-NkX86uPI0
Balling101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel and a colony on another planet.
Creamy92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better internet in Australia. ๐
DidntGetJoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding intelligent life on another planet would be cool.
Putting intelligent life in charge here would also be pretty cool.
MattShallPass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercially available (and affordable) quantum computers.
activityguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
2D women that can now be 3D ๐ข
dkermitt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asteroid mining to create a sustainable space economy!
TheAlbinoBlackOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars?
TraumaTuna ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Practical Cybernetics becomes more available and less expensive for everyone.
Hafgezz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a combination of viable space travel (at speeds that make it feasible) and occupation of other planets. To explore the stars as no other have would be pretty cool
100100111011101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone inventing something that makes feel good
jacksrdtt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bio-engineered living creatures. I want my miniature pet dragon already!!
CryptoSpelunker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for nearsightedness without the use of contacts or LASIK, since LASIK may lose its usefulness after ten or twenty years
lamp4321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:50:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing people stop killing each other for dumb things (dumb wars), so we can combine our resources and money into things that matter like medicine, space travel, etc. Instead of pumping all the money into killing ourselves. What a fucking joke the world is rn
parumph ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace in the middle east
leandroc76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of organized religion, more so, the end of using religion as a way to abuse people, physically, mentally, sexually and monetarily.
taitu9793 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the world without war.
Eye_read_it_2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Establishing sustainable life on another planet in order to continue our existence
papa_bear_uk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer. Mars. Free energy. Trumps demise.
JJtheGnome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For at&t to die in a fire.
Sches741 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody mentioned Teleportation I believe.
Sches741 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll mention it here then
IronicDespair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discover life on another planet.
Way2Vulgar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
an American football simulator game that makes everyone stop playing Madden long enough to force EA's programmers to do thier job. 2K games can make such a great NBA or NHL product, but if you like football all you get are a bunch of guys with no incentive to create a really awesome game, just cashing in year after year.
marmite1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity colonising near space.
sidekickbananaduck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
F
DrEagle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
iPhone VX
fancy_pance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An autonomous vehicle infrastructure that eliminates traffic, reduces urban congestion and increases mobility and safety for all.
jtesagain625 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck. I just wanna see a moon landing/walk. The way my family talks up the 69 one, makes me really interested.
ricdesi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a human walk on Mars. That would do it for me.
DiogoQuadrado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:51:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace although it won't happen.
slixlix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact
topasaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for type 2 diabetes (T2DM) that works for 100% of people having it, is affordable, and, as much as possible, is noninvasive. Currently T2DM affects close to 10 percent of the population in the U.S. of which 1/3 do not know they have it. The Center For Disease Control estimates that by 2050, 1 of 3 will have it in the U.S.. It has horrible complications including being the number 1 cause of blindness, nontraumatic amputations, and kidney failure and a major cause of heart attacks.
And a paper came out recently that suggests it may be possible that T2DM can be contagious, as in, by blood transfusion or organ transplant (specifically, by transmission of islet amylin polypeptide/IAPP) although surely this is quite rare if it does at all happen.
Jared72Marshall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a man give birth
KjoeLjan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck Mars, cures for terrible diseases, clean water, food for everyone and world peace.
I want my fucking hover board.
MintyTruffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some way to communicate meaninfully with dolphins or apes.
just_some_guy65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 Hour Marathon
SirLoin027 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive VR
CaptClockobob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one has mentioned this, but, relitivistic space craft would be nice. We'be already accelerated a 1 ton metal disk to .4c, so how hard can it be?
WyKay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-life 3.
dexa_scantron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A space elevator! Extremely cheap gravity well escape could open up the solar system for resources, tourism, exploration, who knows? Plus it's super awesome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A replacement treatment/cure for cancer and all other forms of prescription drugs.
rukasu83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light drive. I got places to be man.
thatbrownkid1616 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonies, artificial gravity, contact with aliens, space travel at the speed of light, inter galactic travel, cure for cancer, advancement of healthcare where the average human lives for over 200 years, you get the idea. Sadly, probably won't happen.
amnistrelli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A working printer.
ycorpse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans realise that were a bunch of cunts and stop killing each other.
puksgame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to play youtube with the mobile screen turned off.
RadiatingLight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Youtube red lets you
shortbusterdouglas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the social evolution of himanity beyond the need for money and gods.
a human race in which each member exists only to advance the species as a whole instead of for personal gain.
mrwarman780 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully Intelligent AI
markmark27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
lllalexlll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony.
DereETAviator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Atomically precise manufacturing, meet 3D printing. 3D printing, say hello to APM.
musyio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:53:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People land on mars (i even take if ppl can land on moon again), Fully autonomous cars in every countries and every kind of roads
CaptainCruden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
legal weed
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual real life Batman
tiram001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see the science breakthrough that it would take to project our dreams for an audience to watch.
hdhale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing on Mars and then safely returning.
Zero_Vi_Britania ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly, full dive AR (augmented reality, yes I've watched SAO)
Stickman08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Respawning
LucidRamen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
arpeggioman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality Technology that is widely accessible, coupled with accessible family planning.
MankeySeeMankeyDo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI so I have someone I talk to....
J-ohnny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cure
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next major achievement as big as newtons gravity discovery, or einstein's special relativity, or crick and watson's DNA, or the www will be using a quantum computer to do anything inside of us (gene expression and therefore cancer and hiv)
MeaningDeprived ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Intelligence.
hotwingsofredemption ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WW2 100 year anniversary will be pretty cool
LoneWolf-_- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
andrewthetechie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've been meaning to join a gym, for my health. I used to say I wanted to live long enough to see a black president. I didn't realize how easy that would be. So now I wanna live long enough to see a really, really gay president. Or a super model president. I wanna see all the different kinds of presidents.
ItsGehrke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on mars. That may sound lame, but I think it would be amazing.
Octo-puss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making corporations act morally. Stop fucking with other countries. And a hoverboard.
arj1985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Air conditioning in my vehicle.
The_souLance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of Dr Manhattan.
siriuslyred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intergalactic travel - Wormholes or otherwise. Or a settled moon around Jupiter. Or anything else cool in space that isn't just Mars or Luna!
BrandorOfBlues ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Head transplant coming December of 2017! The future is now!
fuckinwhitepeople ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pot treated equal to alcohol, if not more generously.
oplawson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon
135n35-OK_and_AY_and ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To see Trump gets kicked out of the white house
TeamJim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for MS and other auto immune diseases
Man on Mars.
Astelon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The option of immortality
wivolin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the entire human race to become pantheists.
That_Ditto_Smell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get our asses to Mars!
EireOfTheNorth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieving FULL COMMUNISM
FirstGalacticEmpire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intergalactic space travel, so Star Trek can be real. Arc reactor, so Elon would be able to become Iron Man. Possibility of longer life, to watch all of those epic things waiting for us in future.
smirking777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
limb regeneration
bepseh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR porn real as fuck
69ing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Myself get laid
thebigchile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decentralized internet and cryto currency taking over the way we use money
rudejester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a machine where you throw your trash in and it breaks it down on a molecular (?) level. It then sorts it into tubes of each element. Then, the tubes are put into a 3D printer type device to manufacture whatever you need.
iApreciateBigBottoms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Head transplant
tovarasu88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adjustable penis size
Barthaneous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer. Which i believe it already exists but due to FDA making a killing on suppressants rather than cures. If its not made public by the time i die then i dont have hope for the world ending corruption, which again to me is the #1 reason for lack of any achievement in anything. But other stuff on my list.
Trucks that make it over 100 miles per gallon Privatization of personal jet packs or jet powered boards More saltwater to fresh water power plant distilleries which will end fresh water crisis Colleges that only charge for what it is that you want to learn and stop making you have to take useless classes that dont help anyone but the colleges make money. (LIKE Jordan Peterson) See the first man on Mars, and see space travel become as easy as normal flights. Which will have bases on the moon.
merememory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The elimination of poverty
papaki_king_of_ducks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
bepseh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The "remember Google?" era...
DakotaReddit2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion energy
finkalicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paperless receipts at CVS
LewnaJa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's already a thing. You just have to ask the cashier to bring up your profile once you scan/enter your ExtraCare and then they can switch you to emailed receipts or both paper AND emailed receipts.
I guess you can die now. You've seen it all. Haha
SHANKUMS11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting humans onto Mars.
thudly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't it be nice if the First World Problems were the world's only problems?
3lRey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap, universal birth control. Augmented reality and maybe a snapshot of someone's mind.
MarconisTheMeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always felt bad for fans of video games movies and TV series who die before the sequels.
Xicsukin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be able to talk to a computer and have a full conversation with it. I refuse to die before that achievement!
Mortlach78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creating new life forms in a lab. Just to see what shapes the Young Earth Creationists will contort themselves into to deny its significance.
ChickVanCluck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
utit121 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR porn
Cameroni101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A post-capitalist society, where the needs of the world are met with technology and innovation. A world where work is a passion, rather than an essential commitment. Much like Star Trek, but without the teleportation and warp.
I'd also throw in having a computer/AI government, immune to greed, corruption, and emotional issues. People are terrible leaders, and fantastic followers. Let the machines rule while we enjoy the luxuries of our world.
I realize that this is just a pie-in-the-sky dream, but hey it's more realistic than flying cars driven manually.
DragonLord1128 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full cybernetic transplants.
Inmortales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:56:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality mic drop
The-Losers-Manifesto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy use
justinco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Swordsman82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a really nerdy one but prove P = NP.
faizazfar13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably making a way to stop people from aging
layne_steely_dan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new Tool album.
IsleCook ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to gerrymandered voting districts in the US.
hoeraufist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M
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Mars, bitches.
biffsteelchin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel.
Abradolf_Lincler21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean energy and planetary colonization
Epic33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a few for me, but I really want to see solid evidence of alien life.
RagingRavenRR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexy robots. Imagine a real 2B or A2! But without the whole virus thing.
squatch42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resealable packaging on all packages of bacon.
internetmexican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Intelligence.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
waterslicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality through stem cells / telomere manipulations to prevent them from unraveling or to at the ends or to keep self repairing and gain eternal youth...We could become elves!!!
Darkashe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nerve gear. I cant wait to be able to plug my mind into any game or movie.
aneurysm_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The internet remaining neutral.
lordxela ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, or at least the end of death from the body aging.
aznology ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation, space travel time travel
Miss-Stark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering something astonishing under the sea.
LiveWithEarth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1099511627776 upvotes for /u/GeckoGary
Tossing_Machine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better surgery, operations, and drugs for trans people
bjb406 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar space travel and/or first contact.
It would take a lot of advancements, some of which may not be possible, and would probably require some medical advancements just to live to that old an age, but that is the dream.
sgt_scabberdaddle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Imagine being the last generation of people before we get immortality. That's gotta suck. "Remember when people used to die of old age? Morons, why didn't they just live forever like we do?"
TheNJNFBMax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
sonobacari ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
acrobatsaresexyhot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to effectively remove CO2 from the atmosphere at a large scale. We've already passed the point of natural processes ever reducing atmospheric CO2 levels. We need to take it out ourselves. Plus the ability to seed icebergs and reform sea-ice.
RogueTGZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space marines
tanhan27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be able to eat breakfast and watch Netflix while my electric self driving car takes me to work. Another 30 years before I retire, I hope I can do this for a least a few of those years. I hate commuting.
DinReddet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People respecting each other and every lifeform on the planet. No more greed, too much power in the hands of single people, restoration of nature, different relegions coexisting or just relegions dying off.
katieevelynxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
find a cure for seizures and myalgic encephalomyelitis
Baeblayd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some better kind of keyboard or something for phones. This tiny keyboard that randomly decides what I mean to say or that can't keep up with memes is frustrating.
tacofrog2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be able to go to the moon for an afternoon and be back home on earth for dinner.
Jinmu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transcontinental travel without the need for air or sea transport. Being able to go from mainland Europe to say, the US in less time than standard means we have today just sounds ace!
randombrosef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A free, fair, single United World Government.
PvM_Valiant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd really like for America to stop sucking the life out of the middle class sometime soon.
ShrimpDickMcghee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots
MrXevious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding out what dark matter and energy are
jamesdig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scandinavian-style socialism spreads to the rest of the developed world. The worst part is that when you bring up the success of Scandinavia, people say, "but they've got very homogenous cultures!" They've also got a lot of yogurt production, long summer days, and a strange love of Donald Duck, but there's no reason to believe any of that is causally related to their economic success either.
StoogeMonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Driverless shipping and farming.
angry_badger32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A moon colony, and a then the inevitable uprising of the Moon Men.
mnmommy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full and equal rights for the lgbtq ๐ณ๏ธโ๐ community. Love is love.
Blarty97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want people to feel they have achieved enough to rest, and enjoy where they are at.
Cwellz123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Land on Mars.
FullTryHard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading consciousness to a computer, to continue living and interacting after you've died.
9gagiscancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Its a close match, but my top two choices are interstellar travel and meeting another (friendly) intelligent alien species. Preferably both in 1 go. I've always wanted to visit different planets.
Pingers_Was_Taken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would really like to witness infinite life prolongment.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
warp speed space travel.
molotov_cocktailist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The transition into a classless, moneyless and bordeless society, where we can truly be free and make a world that's great for everyone, not just the wealthy minority.
JakeMcChilders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism
molotov_cocktailist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
acetrainerelise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:59:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony. Preferably won me as one of the colonists.
duckyreadsit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological immortality for humans. (Yes, I'm aware of all kinds of issues this would create.) I want to be able to stop (and reverse) aging. I'll probably die in some sort of catastrophic, horrific accident instead, but even a theoretical extension of my potential number of years to live on earth is totally worth it.
ThankCaptainObvious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal youth. One can be 80 years old and still look and act like you're in your prime. Now you can have both money AND the body to do things you want to do.
ninjafly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a smoker or stoner, but I'd still like to see marijuana/cannabis be freely available to people of age. I have seen what the currently 'legal' substances can do to someone, and as someone who has done heavy research on marijuana, it doesn't come close to how bad the other stuff are.
The primary reason why it should be freely available is to emphasize our freedom of choice and how we shouldn't be always restricted to the majority's POV
vatreehugger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All waste being recyclable.
bmendonc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to fix our environment...
mettahipster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for male pattern baldness
shaunbarclay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Citizen 1.0
evangelism2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legit sci fi VR. Been playing videogames for 23 years now. It's been the dream since shortly after I started. I think it's a reasonable dream.
goddammitboomhauer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want us to find the connection between science and religion.
Antebios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interface with the mind and computers. No need for voice commands when mind-commands are more accurate and faster.
cashm3outsid3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and cooperation.
seedless120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to the moon. I don't believe we did it the first time
JD_Revan451 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scott Buck and Jeph Loeb ousted from marvel
Wulfcookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probable goals- Cure to cancer/HIV, most "incurable" disease. Space colonies within Sol.
Far fetched goals- FTL. Faster then light travel. Immortality.
_Old_Major ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:00:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieving communism
zlochman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hover boards
aimgorge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Sominius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation devices.
aspiring_scientist97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete quantum gravity theory
dragion6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The switch in "shield and sword" balance. No matter if it is personall shields, rise of distant controlled EMP-protected machines or creation of mechs. I think that not having a counterplay to FREAKING NUCLEAR EXPLOSIVES, which are actually quite easy to produce, is not good.
Apart from it, there is still no way to protect an individual from firearms (well, technically heavy armor and buildings, but thats not the point).
Apart from making the world a better and, literally, safier place, this would change the way battles are fought. Maybe chivalry will be a thing again! If an individual could change the flow of conflict, there would be much fewer meatgrinders and trench wars.
PixelDuo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fulldive Virtual Reality. Not only would it be fun as shit but could also be a way to help people get over phobias, train soldiers and even help people with disabilitys
Emideska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete eradication of STD's. So I can finally become the slut I want to be ;)
MasterKurosawa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ending of One Piece.
WalrusMilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is a bit selfish but here goes. I'm only 18 but legally blind. Within the next 30 years I'd like to see either
advanced bionic eyes
full eye transplants
The ability to 3D print and successfully attach a new retina to the human eye
Being able to see again like I used to is all I dream about
Ruikapu ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:04:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At 28 I just started seeing a central scotoma in each eye, It calms me down knowing there are braver people like you that still think you are selfish for wishing that.
Gr8Boi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars
poofyogpoof ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A change from happiness pursued by hurting others, to happiness shared in the simple truths of life.
trueyomic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Increase of the human lifespan via stopping the aging process. It's fascinating how close we are to this already!
TheSubtleSaiyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vacuum cleaners with auto-retractable cords.
RossmoRossmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars - Elon get a shift on
speedcubing_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone breaking the 3 second barrier on a Rubik's Cube (officially)
Lg71199 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:01:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing man land on Mars
bbillak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soda that is low in calorie and sugar but tastes the same as regular.
zomahd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My own
D3ad1y_T0xic_Vap0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots.
SketchyFella_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 30 now. Which is weird, because I still feel like I know nothing. Difference now is that I'm pretty sure neither does anyone else.
What I want most to see is a universal basic income. AI is coming and we need to start planning for it. With advancements in medicine, I might live to be 100. If we don't have this in 70 years, we'll either all be dead due to doing something really fucking stupid (and we'll deserve it) or we'll live in Hell. Either way, we should start making plans for this now.
Linked713 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ever saw the movie "Ghost in the shell"? Yeah.. not that.
D0m1n1k1ng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MARS! MARS! MARS! MUSK! MUSK! MUSK! MARS! MUSK! MARS! MUSK! Let's colonize Mars.
Ritielko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
figure out immortality
Je_Desto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One thing that would interest me to see would be better and more easily accessible electronic prosthetics. I did a research paper on human augmentation in high school, and ever since then I've been fascinated by the technology, and hope that it becomes more readily available in the coming years.
The_Boss_Baby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To see people not blow it all up
FirstMorningCoffee7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion, solving all our energy needs.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism.
asisoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity. Merge our minds with machines.
kaeroku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Asteroid mining & trajectory manipulation.
Morphray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RoachboyRNGesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did anybody else say sex robots?
Rayotap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of hunger, the demise of factory farms, and a widespread development of veganism.
Jaltheway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know I will. And that is humans going to mars. I was born in 02 and with the way medicine is improving and my lifestyle I think there's a good chance I can live to 2100
ImGCS3fromETOH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post humanism and the advent of continuity of consciousness. What are we but the collection of our thoughts and experiences framed by our individual biological construct.
The ability to either restore my ageing body to youth or to store my complete consciousness and load it into a biological "blank" copy of my own body, (complete with whatever genetic improvements I select) will effectively make me immortal.
Now, a lot of people have a bit of an issue with immortality. Oh, the drudgery of living forever seeing all your loved ones die and getting fed up with the same old rigmarole week in and week out.
Fuck. That. There is more of this planet that I can see in a dozen lifetimes. There are more fields of study that I can engross myself in than I can think of. By the time I'm done exploring this planet and learning all the disciplines of science, art and philosophy to my satisfaction there will be new disciplines to learn and new planets to explore.
This race has so many new discoveries to make and milestones to achieve. I would be remiss if I were not present to witness them.
ZeeKayGee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see every driver on the road use their blinker.
toxicbrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First woman on Mars
Peakomegaflare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unification of the human race as a whole. Won't happen though, everyone is too wrapped up in what comes tomorrow...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finishing my undergrad and finally getting my bachelor's...
unstable_nightstand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT: We all want global sustainability.
warm_ice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which experts? AI isn't the same as artificial sentience, that's what people assume when they hear AI
Heylookanickel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:02:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intersteller travel with cities on other celestrial bodies. That shit would be dope
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace
JoeCos47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to gerrymandering and big money in politics.
fasterfind ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extreme life extension or some form of immortality. Without that, it will have been a waste.
dumdeedup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A finished Sagrada Familia.
mousers21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
goosepills ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel. It may be selfish, but there are so many mistakes I've made that I would give anything to go back and change.
superfrazz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing.
*manned mars landing.
MakeYou_LOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:03:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm convinced that the world will come to an end before it happens but a golobal and successful renewable energy system. I can't believe the lack of solar panels in the states. It baffles me how such a simple concept goes majorly unused.
HawlSera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transhumanism and Socialist USA
Trumpsafascist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars
reanimaniac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unification of the human race based on the concept of love for each other.
Bomber_Max ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldpeace, which will never happen cause there are humans....
jfoxshakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of a very paradise-like, habitable extra-solar planet within 30 light years..., the development of AI and rocketry to be able to send a "birth capsule" on its way to that planet... with human eggs and sperm to finally progress the species across multiple star systems. Yes, it would probably take on the order of 1,000s of years just to get there. But on the scale of the billion years we have left while earth is still habitable, that's nothing. If it's revolving around a slow burning red dwarf, it will likely have tens of billions of years of habitability, enabling us to go on to the next ones...
tigerchickyface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reaching the speed of light, I really want to see mankind travelling in space.
CruelMetatron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not killing animals for food.
Chopedada ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see peace in the Middle East . I'm in the military and stationed in this region and breaks my heart that these people are just like us. Ordinary human beings and just how by mere luck they have to live such drastically different lives than the rest of us.
iambfizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A queer president (us)
DeathWalrus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
International disarmament. Not gonna happen but a boy can dream
Ranzera ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Defeating hate.
bluemoldy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would love to see the end of division. No more us vs them, black vs white, religious vs non religious, democrat vs republican, rich vs poor, so tired of all the labels and groups that do nothing but divide us and pit us against each other. We all bleed the same. Pity we can't all be one. ๐
FrankBurlyPI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pussy flavored gum
Sylar546 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar Travel
yarrpirates ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One democratic world government.
area51agent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:04:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real life enterprise pls.
MarcusB93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging, although i'd also be happy with a new elder scrolls game...
Kaywin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic income.
codyfo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars. We were promised flying cars. Where are the flying cars?
Vinterlig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars and a transition to renewable environment friendly energy.
SimonMaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about discovering the nature of consciousness?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see everybody save our planet instead of destroying it for personal gains.
BananaMantis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans just accepting that, in order to achieve many of these other things, we can't keep wasting our time fighting each other. I don't care if some people don't like other people, just stop putting those conflicts before all other causes. We could get so much done.
GavinLuhezz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global warming or something, I kinda like having a live-able planet.
TheOldEskimo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse aging.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EM Drives
True high density energy storage.
Put those two technologies together and we are an intersolar species on the cusp of going interstellar baby!
Dirtytarget ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
CornbreadCrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
OP getting laid
YurWhaleCum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction of the bluefin tuna. Because why not.
olbadhands1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Philadelphia Eagles superbowl
CathaoirLXIX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real "Limitless" pill...
CoyoteEffect ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preferably before it happens to me inevitably due to my luck
but a painless, non-surgical way of passing kidney stones.
Seriously, Elon Musk, when you pass a kidney stone you'll want to start funding this as well.
kingkobalt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can't believe no one has said space elevator....
crskay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being dicks to one another. After that is achieved most other things will come much easier, faster and cheaper.
JaggerQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
ThistleSpear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True renewable energy. Wind, solar, hydro, all that. No more oil or coal.
14132 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd just like us to fix climate change to the best of our ability
sebastiaandaniel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Homosexuality being decriminalized everywhere. Nobody should be in fear of their life over something they have no control over.
beesnobeads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of life somewhere other than Earth.
Dark-Matta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see regenerative medicine flourish.
Robotic-communist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality... now, like right now.
CommodoreKrusty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial gravity
crack-a-lacking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The contact or confirmation of intelligent life outside our solar system.
VYR3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computers the size of a phone. Or life extension/cybernetics. I think 80 years is enough time for at least one of these things with the rate tech is advancing.
ASIAN_GIRLS_PM_ME ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jetpacks
The correct answer is jetpacks
PsychoticApe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The everlasting burrito with a giant helping of guac and the green sauce.
Spanglejerp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
gandolfgandolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding alien life forms
Puffy_Ghost ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding life outside earth.
OSwankey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eventual termination of all terminal diseases.
vandeloup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humbleness becoming the most important attribute of human kind
Jon_Snew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Iron mans holographic screens
Pokeylaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First human to be fucked by a alien or to fuck a alien
zqfmgb123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rise of the singularity.
TakeOffYourMask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dinosaur cloning.
th3m3lv1n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world with VR because I hate the real world.
--BIL-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See the end of berserk
Tenacious_Dad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bubble gum that both cleans and straightens your teeth.
Porasjeet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Vault__Dweller_111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete cure for all cancers.
dippintime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense in politics
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh it's that type of wish list. Ok, I wish for the power to shoot m&ms out of my eyes!
dippintime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ahaha touchรฉ
1amathrowaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
dsquidmusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting out of bed before 2pm
TheOldEskimo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reforesting the planet.
TerminatorCobra89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Threesome on Mars
pole_fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
noelg1998 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A peaceful first contact with an alien species.
aPudgyMasonManE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better battery tech. Maybe smart phones with a week of battery life. Cars with better/equivalent mileage with lower weight.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recreational weed legal in all 50 states (Federally)
granchtastic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Having robots do all the work while we all go on tropical vacations and drink robot made martinis
ledailydose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same answer I gave in Saint's Row 4. Fuck Cancer
Pilot-BoatGuy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The independence of the Martian colonies from the Earth federation
MOTH630 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna hope for the colonialization of Mars. Looking forward to how machine learning and biology/ecology could be used for terraforming
Corky_Butcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with extraterrestrials.
Thievian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full depth Virtual World similar to Sword Art Online.
Concrete_Mattress ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel.
WizardyoureaHarry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interplanetary travel/discovery of intelligent extraterrestrial species.
chug84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Boots on Mars.
TheSandwichMan2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer
Orbyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to take a trip to the Moon or go migrate to Mars
puppymonkeydd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Modding out genetic diseases in vitro.
mrbaconator2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the mole people rising up finally to enslave us all
Icarodeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe space travel for everyone. I'm currently 20 but before I die I wanna feel Martian soil with my own hands.
Scumbag__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United Ireland. TรL!
kawgakrw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for diabetes
WM_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transition from capitalism to Resource Based Economy
nekhi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pokรฉmon
zeropolicy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Other planet with a life !
inspirature ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of epilepsy or at least huge advancements in the field of neuroscience.
Also medical research on marijuana and its use of treatment for epilepsy would be nice.
Lrhn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloning a slave army to crush the rebellion.
dcb3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see someone swallow an entire apple.
an_undecided_voter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe cigarettes.
samroccko33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that they can able to make atleast time machine
Ektadizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It seems impossible but I want to see World Peace where the biggest problems humans worry about are first world problem
MixJoey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of humanity. I'm curious how it will end.
NotNorthD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Public alien contact for sure.
Diograce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World f*ing peace.
Sirz_Benjie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I might be a little late, but Nuclear Fusion. My dad (chemist) told me that it is unlikely that this will be possible in his lifetime, but I just might get to see it. If done right, it would solve much of the issues surrounding energy.
Bongmastermatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like us to know what happens after death.
Welden10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just really want to see us completely abandon fossil fuels and move entirely to clean renewable energy. If we can do that I really think I could die with some kind of hope for my children and my children's children.
Slyj0ker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously, no (scientifically proven and viable) penis enlargement? Anyone? Fine, let's just go full beauty queen and wish for world peace or some shit.
Ankit100489 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots do cooking and cleaning like humans. Man I hate to do both at home.
BioEnthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be nice to see the societal stigmas surrounding mental health vanish, and access to mental health resources increase.
farhanorakzai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least the major countries switching completely or almost completely to renewable and sustainable energy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing Bernie in the WH would be pretty cool.
SuicidalSundays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to live on other planets would be nice. HINT HINT, WINK WINK SCIENCE
DoorInTheAir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real hoverboards.
Also cures for cancers, Alzheimer's, etc., peaceful contact with alien life, development of clean energy, eradication of poverty, toothbrush pills, etc.
But really, hoverboards.
bolognaSandywich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for type1 diabetes. I just want a damn root beer sometimes and some pizza without passing out after.
NingenOverHeavan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:09:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To find out whether or not traps are gay
fjrnate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding evidence of intelligent alien life would be pretty cool.
hyungun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The New York Knicks winning a chip
Flyingdutchm3n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion and Alzheimer's
ultimate_redditer554 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SPACE HOLIDAYS
forthexp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone is saying space and technology. I just want there to be no one in this world going to bed hungry.
Altomah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Scrub the carbon from the atmosphere and save the future.
HopefullyMrFixit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Joey Chestnut (or anyone) eating 100 hot dogs at the Nathan's contest
BelleHades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least two, immortality and casual, dilationless FTL travel. Fuck time dilation; if I'm gonna go to Deneb, I want to be home in time for dinner, not come home to find everyone I know dead.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to pay using my card OR cash, looking at you cash only business! The fact that a restaurant refuses to accept my hard earned currency through the form of plastic and then tells me that I can go to the ATM in the corner that charges a 2.50 fee is outrageous! Call me a cheap bastard but if that's the case, then I won't leave a tip, the ATM already charged me a 2.50 fee!
kiltach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They feel the same way.
The way credit or debit cards work they are charged some form of fee to take your payment. They make less money if they take card instead of cash. On top of that they have to pay for the equipment to TAKE credit/debit cards. They all have to sign contracts with the major credit companies though and those contracts (almost) all say that they cannot charge credit/cash customers different prices.
So you're complaining about a 2.50 fee on what should normally be a say $200 ATM withdrawal? so a 1.75% fee? they pay more than that for you paying card vs cash.
feraxil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religious violence
javier_n_b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inmmortality
weltentummler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beaming. One can dream.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At this point, just finding someone to create s family with. It would be my greatest human achievement
denismeniz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging. Physically it should be possible to be functionally immortal. Falling off a building would still kill you ... but what if we could pause aging in our prime?
Claylock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyberbrain technology. I'm sure were a long way off but to upload human consciousness into a machine could be incredible.
TheCasualGinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the greed that we are seeing today.
fr932323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:10:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cancer free cigarettes.
Mrhavoc24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first human stepping foot on Mars.
Ceilingbricks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colony on mars.
Two2twoD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see the complete eradication of slavery, and an end to animal cruelty.
RedShaggy78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real functioning force field. And I mean portable or at least small vehicles could use one.
melkthugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna get laid.
DinoHimself ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I have no answer to satisfy this question. I want humanity to harvest the fruits of all that science, philosophy, art, kindness, love, family, and any other truly altruistic pursuits can bear. I don't care how quickly they come, I only hope that we all start pursuing them more fiercely in the face of growing apathy and destruction amongst ourselves, and the planet we live on. Humanity still has a chance, but it's going to take all of us working together or we're going to be the first known species to be smart enough to engineer our own extinction...
ratracepro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for lung cancer. Will be needing it myself in 20-25 years
krypticparadox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana decriminalization
benp18p18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A bro wrestler as President
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of religion
snowmobilio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The complete switch to solar energy. I recently happened upon an article illustrating Elon Musk's proposition for a complete switch to solar power for the United States. Now I'm no nature activist or protester, but the idea that our entire country could be powered by only 100 sq miles of solar panels is truly monumental and, in my opinion, vital to the advancement of man.
Tier161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Entire world going vegan, full scale synthetic meat production with affordable prices. ; Forgiving and forgiving Germans for what Their ancestors did. Come on right wing people, it was years ago. You are being dicks to innocent German people who hate nazis.
more_harm_than_good ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the end of religion
Only_Ironic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
u/doubledickdude in porn
jojo_stand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone get 10 000 000 karma points.
fr932323 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No human being living in poverty or going to sleep hungry.
dudezilla1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when the government manages to spy on 100% of the population
tribepr8900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spiritual connectedness in a tangible way
adisonE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof that we are not alone in the universe. Don't want first contact though. Maybe just observe something from a safe distance
fossa_olecrani ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3
Luedger_Davidson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I shall program an AI to take over this world!
IronOhki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An accurate, reliable, one-to-one representation of human effort.
We act money is that, but money is definitely not that.
producer35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Still waiting for my flying car.
I know there have been advances but they still seem a long way from viable.
orazizxw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure death?
Psyychopatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a bunch actually, most notably:
MaroonElephant2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel. It would open up whole new avenues for people. Granted I agree we should clean up earth first, but after that, THEN space travel
grundleHugs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator
Sendcupofnudes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hl3
I_BlowsItDown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:51:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good one. Half life 3.
ionwesker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
'Running the Show' For Halo Wars
whippdipp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh peace?
I'm late but after scrolling through, jeez, have we just stopped hoping for this in general or what?
I_BlowsItDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yea, so 2007
Trippytrickster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first space hotel.
Haagenti_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of another planet
TimelessMeow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honestly I've always said I really hope that one day I'm the racist grandma that everyone is humiliated by. Because I'm very pro-human rights and equality, so if the world is at that point, we've done something right
DextroShade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging.
c_tref ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elimination of polution and animal cruelty.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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HeWillAdd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A well lived life is worth living...
Leet_Noob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit man, I just want to see 131,072 frogs...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General purpose artificial intelligence. One that can redesign itself to make it more intelligent.
I_BlowsItDown ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nooo this is bad. Bad bad bad. It could be anyway.
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:49:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah. It will either be an extinction level event or humanity's greatest asset. I'm hoping for the latter.
There's so much progress being made with AI (Google's DeepMind for example) that I hope we'll be able to make something truly revolutionary soon.
Schonn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for Parkinsons.. My mom is currently suffering from it and today we are celebrating her birthday. I just wish that she was herself enough to enjoy it as she can no longer communicate nor move. The type of pain this sort of illness brings to a family, no one should ever experience.
harshbhageria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolition of work as a necessity
wintremute ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustained fusion power. It will be the single biggest achievement in human history. So many of our problems are due to either a lack of energy, or over consumption of the sources of energy. It would help stop climate change. It would fuel spacecraft. It will bring electricity to those without it. It would pretty much demand that electric cars and other transport becomes the norm.
_me_me_bigboy_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on mars would be pretty nice, even though we should work on saving our planet before going off and trashing others
tampabound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:13:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
Quellyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing cancer
louisflipperboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact with extraterrestrials
silverwindpegasus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical achievements in physical wounds. I want to be there when we are able to see flesh wounds and other various injuries heal before our very eyes.
Neltrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red foreman calling trump a dumbass
ravengenesis1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and dedication to science and knowledge.
PosNeigh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Multiple Sclerosis
ASAP_Trill_Mix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of intelligent life beyond our own solar system
Not only would be be an incredible discovery, but it would hopefully help humans to overcome their petty differences and unite together as a single race, and end future conflicts.
learner1314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to mars. Immortality. Downloading our consciousness into a robotic body.
dadnaya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding out the meaning of life
Airith0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, I'll take a cyborg body too.
JakeMini123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana legal worldwide.
OriginalFuckingName ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony.
imtoolazytothinkofit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All. The. Porn.
P1000123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality via uploading consciousness to the internet.
ilikefireflies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want flying cars. As a kid I was promised flying cars.
dollhousemassacre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medication to extend lifespan significantly, ie. 40-50 years
coolstorryhansel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next elder scrolls game
effreti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact, preferably a planet of cat people.
NowanIlfideme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Too late on the train? Whatever.
SAFE Artificial Superintelligence. You know, that can improve itself. Because after that, you have scientific progress and personal prosperity (nobody working + all needs met, unless they want to), balanced. From that it's fusion, nanotech, brain-AI connection, immortality... Yeah. Fun stuff!
Oh, and space too.
BioEnthusiast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see humanity change its approach to wildlife conservation; take a preventative approach rather than trying to fix the problem after it is too overwhelming to fix.
youcantgobackbob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3D printed organs
DiscoLem0nade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put my brain in a robot and live forever
fluffycowofficial ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reversal of global warming
xMoosey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Comcast going out of business.
Madaghmire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bipartisanship
Maull01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
cr96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
edrek90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income.
It is really sad that the future of many children, is already determined by the wealth of their parents. Everyone on this planet should have enough money, to meet the basic needs necessary for a happy life.
screwdriver122 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar transport
OofDotWav ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The EAER
friskydrisky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding the cure for hangovers
steveman1123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Macroscopic teleportation. Even if it's just a single atom, I can die in peace.
AccountMade4Roasting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No disease and really good VR.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
randomatik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see consciousness explained. So far we have some hypothesis here and there, but we're far from being able to test those AFAIK. I want to understand how neurons and the information running in our brains give rise to a point of view experience.
Usernamehre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity not killing everything
polerize ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
faster than light travel
Deckard__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To learn, finally, just what the hell gravity is..
only777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans colonize Mars. Once we have human beings living on more than one planet, then we are safe as a species.
15791 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless everything.
Periapse655 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion. That'll literally change everything, like the steam engine did.
oschvr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
wakaawak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear disarmament
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
peace
Seekin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring out how memory is encoded in the brain. What are the aspects of that network that store memory? And I want it to the level of "if we clip this set of neurons, that memory is lost. If we force this connection, the person/animal will then have that "memory".
I don't want this for any overall benefit to humanity (though there would obviously be plenty) but just for the satisfaction of my own curiosity.
UltraVeloce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
United human brains that are more aware. Riddance of damaging beliefs in Gods. Expansion into space. These are only wishes of course.
rocklandweb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to populate Mars, if only for a few months.
On the flip, a cure for Cancer, and an end for the need to provide systematized Abortion. (Education and better birth control)
Pituquasi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL
Slowmotionguillotine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Necromancy through science
Rarylith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
Blue-6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Does coming into contact with another species count ? Thats something I would love to witness, if it ever happened
jewellovesNicki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The total end of All forms of Animal cruelty, torture, and murder.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Serqio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality...yeah dying doesn't sound like fun.
IIKaDicEU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Leaving Earth. Like an all out colony somewhere else. Fuck this rock.
TeaAge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A permanent cure for brain freezes. Don't you dare tell me how fast I should drink that milkshake!!
FaZeFlAn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M A R S
JamesR8800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see publicly available AI/computer systems powerful enough to generate virtual reality content and compelling stories in real time.
World peace would be pretty neat too...
Kunstbanause ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
sweetjPDX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every single person has access to good healthcare and education.
irishamerican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for diabetes.
Simpsonite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To have extra terrestrial life confirmed by science.
To see a living dinosaur brought to life by science.
jgab972 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
sadmadmen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to deep throut your own penis
damionlai97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full Dive VR
Loneagle397 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieving immortality.
tristinalpha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp drive
Major017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the stop of environmental destruction
up_and_above ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:17:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope someone finds out what happens to your consciousness when you die before I die and I hope it's something pleasant.
leanafro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Food for everyone
joe1up ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The transfer of human minds into machines.
juanthemad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reversal of global warming. We did it for the ozone layer, why not the global temperature?
eweidenbener ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable Mars colony. I'll die more peacefully knowing humans were multiplanetary
ReZona ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense.
motorious719 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since I'm so jaded and my opinion of human condition is so low I doubt anything of significance will come about other than advanced AI in my lifetime; I would settle for a majority of the population to understand the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and not be so apathetic and self-serving. (obviously coming from an American point of view) Maybe then, other things like renewable energy and drinking water for everyone may fall in to place.
Stewart27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyberpunk 2077 is released.
nole120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully colonizing another planet.
Lukeskyrunner19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first picture from a different star system. There's already a proposed way for it to happen and it should occur within my lifetime, although it might be late in it.
CirkuitBreaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human colonies in space.
yujomuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manipulation of particles in any direction, time, speed, enviornment
tbaconsizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Parkinson's. Dad (58 now) has had it for 6 years. He is super active, on a plant based diet, etc. to help combat the ailments. But i know the medications serious side-effects and continual physical deterioration really pisses him off and worries our family. He does not complain, because that is not who he is, but I know it has to bother him. It sure does me.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coconuts not being taboo
VaginalSkinAddict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bionicle making a third comeback
ArkLinux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be pretty cool if every country devoted at least 50% of their budget towards the development of science, rather than war.
sam_ridhi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind going to Mars
Undertaker17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I kindly disagree with people who say we should colonise Mars, or make reality-like AI. We have a lot of problems on this Earth such as hunger, disease and global warming that are much more important than Mars and our technology.
Beena22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Science making me attractive to women.
InfiniteLiveZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World pizza.
VerticalRadius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for mortality then I will no longer be limited to a typical lifetime.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting off of this rock. I know it's silly but I want to know that everything that mankind ever did and ever achieved want confined to just this one planet.
bs13690 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not silly, I think it will be necessity at some point.
rebelbaserec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nuclear-powered cellphones
JerryConn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see Uranium replaced by Thorium in all nucular world powers. No more bombs, better efficiency.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone actually managing to fill your mums gash
TubbyIsaacs81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:19:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The collective realisation around the globe that religion, as a WHOLE, is WELL past its sell-by-date.
Then we dedicate a day to reflect on how it shaped humanity, good and bad. Then we close in the evening by laughing at how FUCKING STUPID humans can be, rejoicing in how far we've come as a species, knowing we'll try our damned hardest to NEVER let such things get so out of hand ever again.
Alright, it's a bit far fetched... for now.
I love you all.
Kapheon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure or better treatments for cystic fibrosis developed.
MarzK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel
Dirkerbal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Remote detection of a free oxygen cycle in an exoplanet's atmosphere. This is very likely to be within our capability very soon and it would be a very strong clue that life exists on that planet. It would be a monumental discovery.
aliceclick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extinction of political snowflakes.
hexicat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for all kids of cancer.
Flobarooner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like some form of extra-long life. Even if it lets me live to 200 as a withered old man, I'll take it because one day I'll be able to reverse that aging. Then we'll invent time travel and I'll come back to these days and fulfill all the dreams I wanted to.
scole44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free WiFi and phone service for everyone.
Peanutct ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self sustaining Mars colony
pan_de_leche_flan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars.. that is all, thank you
evindence ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation!
89rp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shift from fuel powered vehicles to electric.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable Commercial Spaceflight / Tourism
InspireAndAdmire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:20:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with aliens.
a_simple_student ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Risk-free coconut flesh lights
judgezero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My girlfriend to get a job.
AfrolessNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Primordial Gravitational Radiation Background Map
Freako987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human setting foot on Mars. The magnitude of such a moment would be absolutely breathtaking
siren215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel.
Vellox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing the mess that we've done to the planet would be pretty rad.
SSMcMuffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:21:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to travel to other places in space without having to travel for hundreds of thousands of years.
yerfriendken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A completely secular society that makes decisions based on evidence
latifr1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
magicmann2614 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wizards of the Coast printing a non broken version of Ancestral Recall. 3 attempts all broken.
Sh4mr4t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Apocalypse
icedragonsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Customizable genetics
Frisky_Pilot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological immortality
ErikLassiter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of extraterrestrial life.
lurker_bee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
hannylicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for ALS (Lou Gherigs disease)
A cure for Cancer (of all forms!)
A cure for Alzheimer's.
Clean, cheap renewable energy - if not free!
Movement towards a more open/accepting humanity where we all recognize each other and accept differences.
Movement towards a world where having excessive amounts of money doesn't make you some god amongst men (meaning cars would be a reasonable cost, houses would be more reasonable, etc. so that people could actually do more with their lives instead of squander it working hard all the time just to get by.)
Degnom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ist about time to invent a hair-growing medicine, to eliminate all the bold heads on the earth.
reignshadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity.
Djmarquart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Diabetes
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:22:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to upload a human mind to a computer.
midas808 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Soggy2009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure cancer!
Ratedfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reverse microwave.
RazzleStorm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A... freezer?
Ratedfreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How fast does your freezer Work?
RazzleStorm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fast enough? What do you want to cool down super fast?
Ratedfreak ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:35:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly drinks. It doesn't have to freeze solid. Just something that works like a microwave but it cools/freezes depending on the time setting.
SkylarThomas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
Nintendogma ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
sicurri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Alzheimer's / dementia cure would be nice that everyone is talking about. I'd also like to see a global perspective shift on greed. Because greed is the biggest problem with the world, and if people stop treating it as the norm, it will no longer stay the norm.
What is it we all strive for more than anything in life, well not all but most of us?
Money, possessions, and power.
These are our symbols of happiness, not family, spiritual enlightenment or anything that I think that matters.
The U.S. has an issue and that is instant gratification, not working towards the future. When I say future I don't mean next quarter, I mean 50 years down the road.
Monocle_Afficionado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free and available birth control for everyone who wants it.
eddiemoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars just has to happen, im not even gonna list it.
All those things could happen in my lifetime. I'm 32, if the first one doesn't happen in my life time were probably all fucked.
I also think that in my lifetime, countries like the US are going to have to come to terms with the fact that the technology we've created will inevitably mean less jobs. Society may need to figure out what people are for, when they aren't needed for productivity. So getting some traction in that area during my lifetime would be nice.
FatalisticBlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solving our planet for real this time
flashtone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Adobe acrobat final update.
eroder11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of Mars. Even though I'd never get to go myself, since I'm not a billionaire...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars. I just think it would be incredible to know that we did it.
HM_living-legend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A system that helps unlock human potential for a fulfilling life. Defeating procrastination, eliminate depression ......
bradybay33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End to bigotry, racism, sexism, and people judging each other for stupid stuff like that
geger42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Or we go to Mars. Either one works.
lazarus870 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for blindness. Like artificial eyes either grown via stem cell research or however or bionic.
WalkofAeons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolishment of racism and religion.
corteslakers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradicate cancer and purify seawater for the masses.
170707 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of organized religion.
Hidden_Sturgeon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Floyd Mayweather getting knocked the fuck out.
SunriseSurprise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The /r/circlejerk "if this reaches" count to reach a billion.
happygopatty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A completely restored global ecosystem
Snowrst86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars
Dnaleiw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace; you didn't say it had to be a reasonable achievement.
chewbadeetoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reattaching/bypassing damaged spinal cords and curing paralysis.
That bit in the movie Avatar where a cure was available but it was too expensive didn't seem too likely to me. The cost benefit to a country to have that free vs continually paying for someone's care should make that obvious.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unification
geoffco23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Working star drive.
gr8daynenyg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans be able to relax and spend more time with their families due to technological advancements.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aging cure.
j_hero_d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal health care in the US..
redblazingdragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanotechnology - I'd like to see it utilized in the medical field to rebuild and replace organs, among other things.
SoulBoundX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want more people to care for each other. I want people to stop hurting each other. Life is so short. It is so short. I want more people to treat people as if they won't be here tomorrow.
ron_sterling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality! Or something which stops the aging process
FPSGamer48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to Mars, leaving our solar system, alien life, etc.
mikemason1965 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For humanity to stop being so destructive.
dinosaurmeow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better health care in America or across the world for handicapped mentally ill. I'm tired of seeing people who can't take care of themselves on the streets. Most of the people need help mentally.
_EGG_GOD_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably better healthcare
icebox_Lew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we can agree that humans have done a lot of damage to planet earth - I think now irreversibly so but some disagree - however, for the sake of humanity (but hopefully not too much to the detriment of elsewhere), we need to be investing more time and money on colonization of other places. During my lifetime I hope to see man at least start to inhabit the sun with the beginnings of a new colony there, otherwise I fear we might not make it.
vyvanseisgood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal Life
TheWorldMayEnd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality?
That means I get to see all the rest!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. At least just upload my brain to a sim so I can avoid the void.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
u/GeckoGary hits 1 million karma
PM_ME_A_GOOD_QUOTE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global happiness
exxxidor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Single-payer healthcare in the US.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Predicting exactly when an earthquake will happen.
If I'm not mistaken, we still cannot predict that (other than earthquake with n magnitude will occur in the next 20 years with %p probability). I live in Istanbul, and Turkey is one of the countries with such bad earthquake history. Seismologists and other scientists are expecting an earthquake with a (moment?) magnitude bigger than 7.5 in the next couple years. I was a child when Gรถlcรผk/ฤฐzmit earthquake (moment magnitude of 7.6) occurred in 1999 and knowing that it's going to happen again is such a bad, worrying thought to have.
edit: corrected the magnitude value
Heliotrope88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The implementation of something that removes carbon from our atmosphere.
crunch816 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reincarnated dead. It'd be a shame if all these movies and tv shows prepared us for nothing.
Dead-Jonas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of another planet/moon.
PhutureEros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable and accessible cybernetic augmentation of the human body
Timevdv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A society with a shrinking population, yet a healthy economy. It's a taboo, but should become the norm.
revret ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acc to evolution we are done The next big change will take forever to occur for us So next evolution would be man made We need to build AI to survive and spread to explore the better part of universe This could be the ultimate target of human beings Even private Co like SpaceX and Amazon are interested in the project
thirtytwoyears ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wishful thinking and cliched, but the eradication of all forms of discrimination.
ihavenoclue224 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer, all types. I have a big cancer history in my family (including myself) and I'm a single mom.
milehighguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global proletariat revolution.
Hansj3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of Mars/the moon.
The science that could be done, and the expansion of the human race, even if only baby steps would be amazing
thatsAgood1jay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures for neurological and other nerve/brain diseases. Alzheimer's, dementia, etc.
Also a remedy for Tinnitus, have had it all my life and would like to see this problem licked.
Sniperpaul296 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ark: Survival Evolved to be released and Ragnarok available on Xbox without any duping, or server crashes.
celtsfan1981 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time machine that can go to the past. I've occasionally heard scientists say it's impossible but I still have hope!
kauefr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold fusion.
paskizx31 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully-functional Gundam to be made reality
prozac_efron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, duh
dntshtthmssngr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cleaning of the Ganges River
Samzebian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reaching and colonizing mars
The electrification of a majority of all cars on the planet
Sustainable energy replacing fossil fuels
Quantum computing becoming viable for mainstream use
Space travel becoming cheap and available enough for the mainstream, akin to today's air travel
Personal drones big enough to be used for traveling going mainstream
Battery tech that will make charging unnecessary or very infrequent
Truly wireless charging that can go through buildings and work anywhere
The list grows to infinity
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon. The Nike project came ridiculously close.
ScroogeMcDik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A shot for shot HBO adaptation of Berserk
cakeeatsjake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Totally renewable, clean energy
beats_time ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding life on another planet.
Jebediah_Blasts_off ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality
eob2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Useful Fusion Energy
3X1ST3NT14L_DR34D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A shift away from click bait being the main way of presenting news and information
Dooberss13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna watch the Mars landing the way my grandparents did with my parents.
hazel_shard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human level machine intelligence,anyone?
mfiscus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact
alllthewebs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Narcissism and Sociopathy.
TheTimpai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely at least the start of colonization of another planet moon etc
Turbo_Piglet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone break the 2 hour barrier in the marathon
Hayday77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That people realize that scientists are colluding with the Democrats to destroy American industry by propagating the "climate change" myth.
sonny68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars base.
vaccumshoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RS Mobile
of_course_you_agree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A detailed understanding of the human brain and ability to fix what's wrong with it. Alzheimer's disease is one we have a name for, but there are many other things that go wrong with our brains. I know someone who, if he goes off his meds, becomes unstable and dangerous to himself and others.
RobbinBud ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A better understanding of how the brain works so that there can be a cure for some of the more severe mental illnesses as well as dementia. I would love to go back to school to do research in this area and help further advance this field someday. I beleive it is a good cause. I believe scientist are very much needed in society, are underapreciated, and that it just as noble of a job as serving the community as a healthcare worker/doctor/nurse.
SplooshU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:28:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear power being used instead of coal/natural gas plants.
sureshlaghya1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation : I hate being stuck in traffic....plus we can save time and work on all the stuff u guys want to achieve from this list ๐
Vehicular_Zombicide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of another star system.
Too bad none of us will live to see it.
infidel863 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure cancer
igautam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete annihilation of human species maybe. I always set realistic goals.
ilovemallory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A conciliatory pact between Israel and Palestine. It's crazy the destruction hatred can incite
The_Gadway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's already been many of those, and Palestine says they don't want to share the land with Israel.. so, it's not going to happen.. sorry bro.
ilovemallory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know, I know... it just seems like an impasse that can't be remedied. But I want to believe!
The_Gadway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It may happen, it may not. Don't lose hope, if that's really what you want!
ilovemallory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's touchy trying to be so progressive as a Jew (although I stray right on most other issues). On the one hand, all the Jews I know are incredibly cynical and feel Bibi's doing the right thing not giving Palestine a hand to shake. But as you said, it feels like both nations have exhausted all and any solutions
The_Gadway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is a sad thing indeed. But, I'd stand with Israel before I stood with Palestine, if it came to picking sides. They are more trustworthy and I do feel like they try to have peace, but get ridiculed too many times for defending themselves. I wished we lived in a utopian world, but it's far from that, and sadly will always be that way. You just have to try and live by example, and hope that others do the same, but also know you may have to defend yourself, and make sure you don't go out without a fight! Your life is valuable, and you shouldn't allow people to just take it.
ilovemallory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be honest, I only know the very basics of the conflict given that I learnt about it in 11th grade History so I can't really align with either side, although I am expected to side with Israel given my religion.
If anything, an end to antisemitism and anti-Muslim sentiment would be greatly appreciated although I don't feel we should be given safe-spaces and treated differently like some people some to desire
The_Gadway ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:10:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree, I would say I'm pretty well on the up and up on the subject matter. But, of course, I don't know everything since I'm not living there. I wish for the same, and agree on the safe-space thing. With those spaces, it seems to always turn into a non-freedom of speech or thought spaces. Which I think that's worse than someone having the ability to call me an offensive name or making fun of what I believe, as I believe full-heartedly in individual rights and freedoms.
compu20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity
Special_Jesus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on mars
StraightRazorDandy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable housing for millennials
Arkadii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
are_videos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Want to see me get into a meaningful relationship
obuibod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The successful prosecution of an American white collar criminal that results in prison time and/or fines that exceed the profit of their crimes.
Stompydingdong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Travel
Sociably_Luke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
trump getting elected... i'm pretty stoked to see what happens next. life is crazy. not sure what the hell is going to happen next. i hope i get abducted by aliens though. that's on my bucket list.
WaltDiskey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloning a dinosaur
bremma717 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truly affordable education.
faaaabulous1867 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to the anti-vax movement.
TheInquisitor1290 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to get uploaded to the matrix
Mcline11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolishment of tax exempt status for religious institutions.
shortinstyle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like the majority of people to see past arbitrary differences like skin color, etc
tangytoby ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing and possibly finding life on Europe, Enceladeus or Titan.
David_Bowiesson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars for sure. Also a day without murder would be great.
Universal education.
I'd also like to be the first man uploaded to the web.
EmissaryOfTheLake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, duh. You people disappoint me.
stormwindchampion12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator. If I could get it by 1985 in Civ we sure should be able to build it soon.
StrongestAsian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ending of One Piece.
Boltizar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Womb transplants.
I want to be a mom.
cosmicosmo4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The completion of A Song of Ice and Fire.
YupThatsU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A working EM-Drive for interplanetary travel.
Le_Voss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars and the beginning stages of terraforming the planet.
sdm4242 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please god, a teleportation device.
oldgeezer48 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Competent politicians
ttafu91827 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace
thedeadlysun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successfully colonizing another planet, or at least the ability to travel to a new habitable planet.
Existenti4lism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be / see the first person on Mars, enjoying mars grown weed.
panacrane37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really wanna see what's under the ice on a couple of them moons around Jupiter and Saturn.
Barackis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of religion
Dj_lonley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nano bots that help and maintain our bodies, or just be able to be as healthy as a 20 year old.
peterfonda2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfection of cold fusion. It would liberate the world from the need to use fossil fuels.
NeerieD20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humanity embracing technologies that actually help the environment instead of having lobbies fighting against them.
nullsego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to travel to other stars and planets
Sidthefireking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace among worlds
TheGrizzlySparrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful manned mission to Mars.
19_JW_89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars. I wasn't around for the Moon landings, but I think humanity needs to make this step into the ether sooner rather than later.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living forever
Someothercrazyguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
faaaabulous1867 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prison reform in the US.
number1booty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get off this fucking planet
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel beyond our solar system. I know that might be kind of a stretch but it seems doable compared to other things like colonizing extraterrestrial planets and what not.
calrip2131 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife admit she was wrong about, well, anything.
FairGlabro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stateless society
idunnowhatimdoingno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure and successful prevention of dementia
Would be kool to see a human land on Mars
Nyf1nest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see someone break joe diamaggios hit streak record
Enzo_kabenzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worker control of the means of production.
SoEmpty1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10 million dollars landing in my pockets
komeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of viruses that hide in your nervous system. Maybe reversing the nerve damage from shingles too.
RMcD94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality Kappa
jaydeepee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact. Is that an achievement?
xX_xero_Xx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A space elevator.
Voltaire824 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human beings settling on mars...
Fudgeyreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars. Just get to mars.
Aztiel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rejuvenation.
ben1204 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Jets Super Bowl?
Nahhhhhh too much to ask
The8centimeterguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of the multinational megacorporation model. They hurt small buisnesses, people and mpst importantly the planet as a whole.
_dudz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial General Intelligence
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Andrew Reynolds, Front Side Flip El Toro 20 stair
DeadlyPizzaSlice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars... One massive bloody ship sending thousands of people to Mars, time to sod off and leaving this broken plant behind
bmynameislexie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better mental health/psychiatric care for people, especially those who just meet the cut off point for "well enough".
There's been advances, but in terms of medicine, the field still finds a majority of practitioners employing the "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks". Often times, clients have to wait and endure side effects for several months to see if the particular drug will even be beneficial, and if not, are asked to do that all over again. Meanwhile, they're still considered well enough to have to keep up on their lives. Many people lose hope, and that's a shame. The process is just so long and for people who often don't have much hope in the system anyway, they end up feeling like there isn't a point to continuing treatment. That isn't okay. I have no idea how to fix this issue, but I do know something needs to be done.
lagerea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to energy consumption, I don't think most people understand the impact it would have on the human race if we no longer had to treat energy as a resource to be traded.
hobohideout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on mars. Alien contact. Rick and Morty season 50.
nomoredarkness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pillows that never go flat.
the-real-apelord ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dream the impossible dream.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life solutuions heh...
blubox12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spider-man
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Average lifespan of 100
cristiand90 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apocalypse.
brainburgersandwich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The simplest thing that we can all be a part of but most difficult to achieve: World Peace.
subll ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An alternative to the endless dialysis treatments for those with diabetes.
Deshra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unquestionable realization of the truth. Not doctored lab tests, biased reports or any other nonsense that creates a continuation of moronic misnomers like "race". Example explained- our race is human, if skin color actually determined "race" since it is controlled by pigment; so that means that eye color and hair color would split skin color "races" into sub "races" based on that. According to science we know this- skin color is not a racial determinate, but a micro-evolutionary trait due to adaptation to life under the sun. I can list thousands of similar misnomers.
Misnomer- scythes and sickles are the same; truth- no they're completely different based on blade shape, arc shaped blade=scythe, "C" shaped blade = sickle (unless the blade is on the outside then it's a shotel).
Misnomer- Climate change is caused by greenhouse gasses. Truth- it's actually scientifically proven that gasses cannot trap UV radiation, in fact climate change is caused by blacktop which absorbs immense amounts of heat compared to natural dirt/grass.
Misnomer-zombies eat brains. (Yes it's non-fiction, or is it?) truth-scientifically a resurrected body would require the brain, so either zombies eat brains and can't propagate and headshots wouldn't matter or zombies eat flesh and propagate based on transmission of virus/bacterium.
Misnomer- blowing in video game cartridges makes them work. Truth- actually blowing in the carts causes small amounts of saliva to collect on the connections, it may make it work initially but it's basically a short, and the saliva causes the components to corrode.
Misnomer-sunscreen prevents skin cancer; truth- skin cancer has increased with sunscreen use, aside from that the chemicals in 95% of sunscreens cause hormonal imbalance that can transfer from mother to child long after chemical laced sunscreen has stopped; which has been linked to gender confusion due to hormonal imbalance (not the cause in every case mind you). Safer sunscreens only contain titanium dioxide and/or zinc oxide.
Misnomer- Artificial sweeteners are safe; truth- research has shown that not only are artificial sweeteners 1000% more sweet but they trick the body into making more insulin than necessary and since there is no sugar for the insulin to breakdown it can lead to diabetes and other issues, aside from that artificial sweeteners are laced with harmful chemicals; sucralose for instance contains chlorine, chlorine is very toxic to life. Do not confuse chlorine with its positively charged twin chloride. The human body needs chloride, it does not need chlorine.
Misnomer-all life evolved from single called organisms. Truth- "Nature does not jump" -Charles Darwin. Macro-evolution is scientifically impossible, micro-evolution however has been scientifically proven. Meaning a fish can't become a duck or a monkey a human, but they can evolve new traits within the species. Think people if we evolved from monkeys due to natural selection because those traits were better suited for survival, then monkeys would die out without evolving the same traits. Science.
Remember great scientists were called out and ostracized, even murdered for speaking the truth like Galileo and Copernicus. Galileo convicted of heresy for speaking the truth on the earth being round; Magellan was murdered for the same. Copernicus was murdered for discovering the earth isn't the center of the universe.
Lastly I leave it to all of you to discover the actual truth which is why I'm not posting sources. The truth is out there, stop sucking at the mass media sack. Stop listening to people and the media and look at the actual science, the facts, and look deeply at any lab, do they get paid to ensure the results go a certain way? How was the test or tests performed? It's time to wake up and enlighten yourselves. Stop letting misnomers dumb us as a society down.
SmiteVVhirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I would like to see is a sort of idealistic renaissance of acceptance. By the time my grandkids have kids, I'll tell them how gay marriage became legal in my younger years and that women were paid less than men for the same job until 2055, ect ect. They'll just wonder at me. I want to see them wonder at me.
Yunta_Asadoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be able to travel at light speed
KuroKitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elder Scrolls 6
teotwawkiaiff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars
cheapcab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jet packs
Apg3410 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The release of lil Wayne's Carter 5.
LeKobe_James23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:34:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
ametron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Contact
MisxJ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see Space Exploration reach new galaxies.
mikeycp253 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans living sustainably on another planet.
Bumaye94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A functioning democratic socialistic society. Not that authoritarian bullshit from the USSR, North Korea and others and not this "slightly-less-capitalistic" stuff Sweden has going on either. Simply a society with equal rights for all people that shares it's means of production but still rewards hard work and accomplishments.
I would also like to see a Mars colony and alternative realities that you can just lock in. Not to mention of course some form of renewable energy source that makes fossile fuels obsolete.
DruidOfFail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us treat each other with compassion and dignity in the US, and tell large corporations to get bent when it comes to influencing policy.
NotAllThere_67 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Won't happen, but to see human trafficking completely and utterly eradicated and all the sub-human pieces of shit that are in the industry to be arrested and convicted.
Edit for clarification: I don't mean the victims when I speak of those involved. I just mean those responsible for perpetuating the horrifying awfulness of the industry.
CuriousCat4info ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing eyesight problems and baldness.
Ekudar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT : Things that we don't have yet because of Greedy assholes(mostly)
inspireSF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer and prolonging youth for a decade or so.
WatsBlend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mine comes with 2 parts - Fusion energy, because not only would it prevent many wars, clean our skies and help make our earth a better place, but I also want to see humans/myself in another solar system. Fusion energy is almost the last step we need to make that possible. We have FTL working on a VERY small scale but don't have energy source to supply it on a larger scale. I want vacation in space
Schytzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More than mars, I'd like to see faster than light speed.
destinyreallysucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You know, it sounds really simple and silly compared to everything else on here, but I used to dream of the day when marriage for me and so many others would be legal in all states from sea to shining sea. With the progress being so slow at the time, I was distraught to imagine that it wouldn't happen in my lifetime. When it did... Well, I cried like a baby. What a wonderful and validating experience!!!
Megamike1080 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upload human conscious onto a computer. Into a virtual world
matt_attack84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure it won't happen in my lifetime but traveling to other galaxies and possibly interacting with alien species. Ya I know humans are probably 1000's of years away from that technology still =\
-Kano_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exploring the Bermuda triangle without funky coincidences of disappearing.
schplat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe, affordable, accessible space tourism. Before I die, I want to see the earth from LEO. 400km up, orbit a few times, and return.
meezt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dominion over gravity force
In_Theory_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This may not be a very popular opinion, but I'd really like to see either the P=NP problem solved or the twin prime conjecture proved.
The twin prime conjecture has vexed mathematicians for thousands of years so it seems unlikely we will see it done in our lifetime.
PlutoniumPandemonium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Truthfully I have only one thing I want to experience before I die, I would like for humanity to discover Intelligent life outside of our solar system. I actually have a fear of dying before this happens..
rokudaimehokage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spider-man web shooters.
AlaskaTuner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self sustaining fusion power, even if not fully embraced by industry and deployed, a research reactor capable of a net positive energy output.
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FUiamDave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
generalnarwhal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to completely modify a genome to remove genetic disease. The whole field of genetics is progressing exponentially, so I think we're pretty damn close. Especially so with this.
Koreanurbanhermit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars. A new frontier for mankind and maybe even a reboot of beliefs and moral compass humanity as a single race as we expand into the unknown universe together. So Star Trek, lol.
BurritoInABowl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well...immortality...or at least a double or triple of our current lifespan...that way I can see more human innovation.
Serenswan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Selfishly, a cure for diabetes.
Platinumtide ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:37:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full-on virtual reality. Not those headsets they've invented, complete integration.
-Kano_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What lies in the Mariana trench. Not just theories of whatever is under water.
ForFourDecades ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to test IQ from the womb. If the IQ registers, 'likely Trump supporter,' it will be aborted.
BigSexyPlant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieve Type 1 status
Gimeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Create Dinosaurs. I would even settle for a Mammoth.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel
starscreamFromSirius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonize mars
sigurkarm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact.
JohnHenryEden77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL space travel, or at least successfully colonize Mars
TRON0314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Regenerate organs/nerves/etc for cures to paralysis, blindness, deafness, artophyed (sp?) organs.
aaapplejaaack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:38:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of another planet, and humans becoming space faring in general, I think.
MoldyCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be a cyborg.
ocdhandwasher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moving over to the right lane if driving slower than surrounding traffic. I believe we can do it.
Disrupter52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind-Machine interface. Download your brain and "live" forever. Theoretically.
natsumeg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a memorial for the great leap forwards famine and for the government to stop calling it as anything but what it really was, not a disaster caused by natural disasters but entirely human made. I think if the government can finally do that, it'll be a real sign that China is politically stable enough for people to finally be able to trust their own government.
MrSyaoranLi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a purely electric world rid of petroleum products
scarecrow9black ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human intelligence uploaded to a digital server. Then I can sit around and see everything else the human race will attain.
cxseven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A comprehensive database of human genomes to analyze. The possibilities for curing diseases, piecing together ancient migrations, and understanding how life works in general are tremendous.
The price to fully sequence one person's genome was $10k a few years ago, but it's dropping fast.
JohnnyFoxborough ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reduction in copyright length to one generation, ie 20-25 years.
Froman1900 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Instant Shower, you step in and then 20 seconds later you are clean and dry, no towels.
jvbordelon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The unreasonable fear of nuclear power plants. It's an emission free form of energy but politics has screwed it all up.
burntorangecookies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Men figuring out what women want...actually I'll take women figuring out what women want
meanmarine10452 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for all cancers.
jendbwls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reunification of the Koreas.
vintimus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer and MS
Humans landing on Mars
Confirmed life outside of Earth
ixijimixi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:40:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sort of ultra cheap energy (cold fusion, turn Arizona into a giant solar field, whatever).
Just about any problem can be solved with unlimited energy. Global warming? Put giant radiators in the upper atmosphere held up by rockets. Need more potable water? Grab sea water and distill it en masse. Cancer? Individually scan each cell and zap the cancerous ones. Lack of resources? Frickin' space mining laser beams.
Obviously very simplistic solutions, but I assume the science people would be able to come up with better ideas.
Walter-Joseph-Kovacs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see true AI. I always root for the robots in sci fi. They're usually right anyways and the book or movie just puts humanity in a favorable light just because. I think true AI will change the world forever in so many ways. I want to live through the singularity. It's exciting to imagine the world changing as it would affect every level of society.
DrNO811 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots aren't the bad guys, but there's a pretty good chance they'd kill most humans (at least they would if we program them in a way that left open to interpretation the concept of protecting us from our own idiocy).
damntree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots?
kristalclear016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for AIDS!
hawkwings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
City on the moon with more than 1000 people.
DubsLA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
A-Mexican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us working with other advanced alien life that would get me so wet
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Conor Mcgregor knocking out Floyd Mayweather
Taco_Online ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want to see mankind humble ourself before GOD
Lt_Pineapples_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first person on another planet (not a moon)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
cornered42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me finding a job
f_bastiat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone walking on mars, and a self sufficient space station, like food and everything self sufficient.
code_away_the_pain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel
phoov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
another manned mission to another planet like mars.
KinOuttaHer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for tinnitus please.
VeganBuckeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The release of the final book in The Kingkiller Chronicles. I hope it comes out before I drown in a sea of senility.
ExcerptMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First person to reach the age 4000.
sirweiss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unbiased and well funded standardized education. Or a break in the college/university level monopoly.
This won't happen for a long time due to cultural difference, but fuck if we can't AT LEAST get this in the ol' land of the 'free.'
CheesyBolt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain computer interface. I want to be able to google a thought without having to touch anything. The breadth of human knowledge is essentially part of your memory.
Just need some really good antivirus. And no ads...
berkarov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widespread use of outer space across all sectors.
The_Dawnian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The realisation that common sense should prevail
logeddonnast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dogs walking on two legs like all the damn time
IAlwaysWantTacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not really human but I would like to see aliens make contact with us, it's obvious they exist, so I wouldn't like to die without me knowing how they look and if they're friendly or if they will exterminate us all.
shel5210 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Id like to give my wife an orgasm before I die, does that count?
Kamelryttare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The unity of mankind, so that we together as one people can help each other to end the sufferings in the universe.
GQManOfTheYear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace, including a just and fair solution to Middle East peace. #FreePalestine
sumdude10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tesla teleportation
angrypie80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ARTEEZY WINNING A TI
8675309wastaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual space elevator completion. Cheap access to space would be a huge deal for any space exploration
DrNO811 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A colony established on another planet and self-driving cars.
1Calvin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a definitive answer on what the ideal diet is for humans.
dittybop1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sort of pill your dog can take to stay a pup forever.
browncoat63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster-than-light space travel.
3rain3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your reply is such a perfect example of what I'm talking about! Thank you for demonstrating perfectly my point! The human achievement I would like to see gets blown up with one vindictive comment made by you!
Surffff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accessible, Clean drinking water for all
Tsquare43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:43:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A return to the Moon, or a manned mission to Mars
RobinFoDays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for every cancer.
INathanFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Underwater Cities Colonisation of Space Faster then Light Space Travel Eradication of Fossil Fuels 100% Renewable Energy Quantum Computers Eradication of Cancer/Diseases Flying Cars End of Religion
Basically anything that benefits and betters all of humanity.
Tobiastorgenson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for baldness
TheTannedDwarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The perfect meme
hakrsakr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SSSSSPPPPPPAAAAAAACCCCCCEEEEEEEE
click here for some space
CrewCamel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Water desalinization plants become extremely cheap and potable water is produced by the 100s of billions of gallons.
Only issue would be convincing third world peoples that no credit is due to their dictators.
whynotlikemike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:44:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
MasterKaen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Delvac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sort of sustainable colonie on a different planet.
kizbicky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man setting foot on Mars
sammydow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To get younger. I NO WANNA DIE
quarter_to_ride ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genetic manipulation
wasntme666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting along with one another. Seriously humanity, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!
zbeara ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stem cell research being fully accepted and properly funded
Masherfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
erlend65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The accidental discovery of the warp drive.
Logan_Mac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to Mars
heynursehey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love for people to make decisions based on facts instead of religion.
hahaha01357 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sustainable extraterrestrial colony. I don't care where.
yungpipe21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colonization. Might seem like a goal many other people share but I genuinely want it to happen
browncoat63 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Unified Field Theory
mcdonaldsdick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unrealistically? I wanna live on another planet! Otherwise, I want VR to not just be a fad, and for game developera to start utilizing it more and more till we have a holodeck.
fearlesschow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time machines
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see Mars colonized.
Brizzzled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide deconstruction of all WMDs.
stefvh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Democratic Peace Theory achieving its final stage
HammerOn1024 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A quadriplegic, from a severed spinal chord injury, walk without electronics; nerve repair.
google1Anthony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the internet of things monitor and control every aspect of my life.
EdSheeranMustDie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure death.
GreenPhoennix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Kingkiller Chronicle book 3....
Joking! Rothfuss should take all the time he needs to make the best book possible :)
Awesomebox5000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An effective method to identify and thwart corruption.
Raoul_Duke_ESQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:46:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm suprised to not see the technological singularity mentioned here. Many estimates put it within the next couple decades.
smellywizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Temporary body swapping, a la Freaky Friday, but with 2 consenting people
corinneleahg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of cat allergies
fillhumpfree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
nch14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see materialism/capitalism end and for us to focus more on the world we live in. More effort on finding out how and why we are here and less on trying to have a better life than the rest of 'em.
That and for ALL forms of persecution to end, all of these movements going on now and they are just more of the same, they aren't ending anything.
Poignantwaffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To build a LFTR. I would love to see humanity finally harness the true power of nuclear fission.
divineinvasion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal workers rights
Kinslayer2040 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Indigo333 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The holodeck!
terminalsausage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no longer needing fossil fuels.
sumogypsyfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Feasible, not to mention economical, interplanetary space travel. Fuck the galaxy, just let me fly around the Solar System.
AkaAtarion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The shutdown of the Last Coal-fired Power-plant, Economical Fusion Reactors, Permanent Moon Base and Asteroid Mining, but considering the actual geopolitical disaster we have I think nothing of this is possible in the world my children will live in.
I_Invented_It ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One programming language. Let's all settle on one vocabulary and set of rules and write software with it. I vote for a graphical language...
BleedRedWhiteAnBlue2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% success rate on treatments for all forms of cancer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone has a home (shelter) with the bare necessities and food to eat. And I mean everyone worldwide. No one goes hungry and no one has to sleep outside in the elements unless they choose to.
outlandishflamingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advanced AI
I want to be able to have a conversation with a computer about the existential crisis it has triggered in me.
Skieth9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological immortality against aging
IntenseApathy9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An effort towards a world coalition. We're all people, why can't we all get along?
StuffMcStuffington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full immersion VR. Where you are completely immersed in the VR environment and able to run, jump, use super-powers/magic, and visit amazing locations and its exactly like you were there.
gkiltz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Broadband to rural America at least as far as the houses and major barns of all farms and ranches
pafranc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It may be a little ambitious but I would love to see the unification of humans.
ThelmaMcGraw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm already braced for the downvotes, but I would love to see us end animal agriculture. It's the source of SO MANY of our problems.
IAmAWrestlingGod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace. Global acceptance of all cultures, races, creeds, nationalities, etc. If we are going to hope might as well hope big right?
highcarlos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M-A-R-S Mars, bitches!
MWK36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gene modding. Let's rapture this place up.
carly_ray_reznor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A universal value scale - similar to our measure for money=wealth - for happiness used by countries to measure one another against. In other words, less focus on GDP and more focus on GDH.
YippyKayYay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality tho
PM_ME_WHATEVERR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:49:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next Elder Scrolls. I don't ask for much
insanegorey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality so i can die voluntarily without committing suicide
freezing-monkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Negative carbon emissions technology. Probably the only way to not make ourselves extinct.
tastefulchrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cross platform gaming networks. For example, PlayStation and Xbox bros smack talking together on the same server in the same game.
mikey4111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with aliens.
gkiltz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Electric vehicles becoming 80+ percent of the market!
olit250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see functioning AI that is able to support humanity. It would be really cool to have a mini robot helper to assist in the house and have conversations with. Also AI would be able to do the less pleasant jobs that many humans have to do in today's world. They would be able to assist the human race and provide advice to government officials to ensure that we make the best decisions for all of us and not just the few.
_Derpy_Dino_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To turn my self into a pickle reddit.
I'M PICKLE DINOOO!!!
Goatman36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of ignorance - we won't get to colonize space or cure diseases very easily with flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers nagging progress all the way.
Shinakame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
pilotable full functioning mechs
Sibito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for the most deadly diseases In and also colonization of other planets.
aGeordie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of alien life forms. If we found bacteria in Europas oceans, just knowing whether it's DNA shared on genesis or not.
Either result would be equally stupefying but if it were different... we could comfortably conclude that life was everywhere throughout the universe.
popeycandysticks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Become a global society, not a global market.
ChudThunderbucket ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for a severed spinal cord.
Napalm32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see equal treatment & pay of men and women. And also I'd like to see a day where minorities feel safe in the US and are no longer feared or viewed as threatening.
TariqAlmoqati ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing all socially stigmatized diseases.
Icarusfactor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hasn't it always been and always will be flying cars mass manufactured to the public
Yeti822 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity. Contact me if you have viable leads.
Sihplak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism.
awcomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see Gene editing (made possible using (Crispr) progress without too much interference by groups and individuals worried about how it could possibly be used in a way that seems unethical to them. I'd like to see the lives of people born with genetic mutations and translocations transformed. The sooner the better!
MikoSqz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Democracy.
Qolore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on mars or just more space exploration
Yakstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us leaving our solar system.
CanOnlyhaveletters_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doomsday
RecycledEternity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For this question, I'm gonna respond for two different ways to answer: possible, and improbable. "Possible" entails that we CAN or that we COULD, but that we don't or haven't due to monetary or interhuman problems--or that we're SUPER close to cracking it. "Improbable" means we do not currently have the technological know-how to create it.
Possible: Efficient space travel, inter-planetary colonization, "space mining". Human lifetime lengthening, virus eradication and immunization (re: manipulation of human DNA to be permanently immune to diseases plaguing mankind; updated when necessary). Efficient water and trash recycling and reintegration. Efficient ways of exploring the crushing depths of the water on our home planet. Uniting the planet as one people in the effort of exploration.
Improbable: FTL travel. Anti-grav technology. Cold fusion--or pretty much any sustainable and super-efficient energy creation. Teleportation. "True" replicator technology (a la Star Trek). Instantaneous, free, and reliable connectivity anywhere, with unlimited internet speed. Uniting the planet as one people in the effort of exploration.
I_BlowsItDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I agree. Hopefully it becomes an asset to humanity and not the end
cmgr33n3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the Crazy Horse Memorial completed but I think it will take another 100 years to do so.
Frazzman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might just be me but as a runner watching a sub 2 hour marathon would be amazing
Joe1972 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vaccine against being an asshole
tiko257 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel......... I know I hace no chance.... :(
kevin_with_rice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace. I'm pretty sure it's impossible, but fingers crossed.
Alwaysafk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for old age.
Audii_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A hot president
Smash_N_Devour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar space travel, especially if we contact other intelligent life. Think of all that we could learn from another society, it would be like a second renaissance.
Swipe_Right_Here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Call me a dreamer. World peace.
zathris ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti-aging. I don't like the idea of nothingness, or of slowly falling apart as I age.
shotgun_ninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:52:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pringles cans that you can't get your hand stuck in.
Hawgfan27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to own a fully autonomous self driving vehicle. The day I can take a nap on the way to work is going to be a monumental day for me.
Bex9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing on Mars. I don't care what country lands first, I just want humanity as a whole to make the first step to colonize other planets.
twoquarters ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
single payer health care in US
KnowsGooderThanYou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UBI
ictreddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The unanimous impeachment of Golfy McFuckCheddar.
Ademonsdream ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to see (and take part in) the colonization of the moon or mars as well as see some extra terrestrial infrastructure so we don't have to continuously ruin the planet.
imarudedude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to see advanced space flight during my lifetime, possibly the development of FTL drives that allow humans to colonize the galaxy and create an empire. Do you guys think this is totally doable in the next 100 years?
M1ssMax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's been 45 years since someone walked on the moon. I know this has already been done but I'd like to witness, in my lifetime, someone walking on the moon.
PragueJeff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More pizza/places to buy pizza.
imthescubakid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for male baldness
DrSecret007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least on major disease cured. Cancer, AIDS/HIV, Diabetes, Celiac, Sickle Cell, something. I keep hearing about amazing new medicine and devices and for once just want it to actually be approved and take shape
Laue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfected VR. Where all of your body movements are recorded.
Wraeclast_Exile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Intelligence.
singaporean123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. Like no more wars anywhere, just straight up people working together and being happy.
Giodan1026 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
human cybernetic augmentation
SoakeRHD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing space.
catsandboobs24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
ThirtyNinene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable full-body VR
bodhemon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
indefinitely extend the human lifespan.
shotgun_ninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A song finder that actually works. Do you even KNOW how long I've been looking for this one song I heard on the radio a few times?
twoodlepipsnicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal income and a fair society
dehadista ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy. Flying cars like in Back to the Future 2.
densofaxis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TL;DR There are lots of little changes people can make in their daily routine to be eco-conscious that won't change your lifestyle and force you to spend more money, and I would love to see more people be a little more aware and take advantage of that.
I want more people to care about the earth and its creatures a bit more. It baffles me how little some people think about where their products come from and where their waste goes. I don't expect anyone to be perfect; I'm sitting here drinking Starbucks from a disposable cup. I just find that there are lots of little changes people can make that won't force them to change their lifestyle and ultimately makes a positive impact on the world. Also, I'm a broke college student and I afford everything just fine. For example, I only use biodegradable toothbrushes now. They cost the same price as any plastic toothbrush that you would buy and they work the exact same way, and when I'm finished I throw it in the compost. One less dense piece of plastic to sit in a landfill. Similar deal with my toothpaste: the bottle cannot be recycled, but the box it comes in is biodegradable and the actual toothpaste is cruelty-free, vegan, does not have products that pollute the earth (beads, SLS, etc), but it still has fluoride and is ADA approved. Once again, same price as any other toothpaste you would buy.
KhaosElement ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real, genuine AI. Like, full blown robo-friends and stuff.
temetnoscere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably going to be buried as I'm rather late to the thread. I would love to see practical interplanetary space travel. Knowing that we have access to alternate sources of resources other than Earth. I would love to be able to set foot on the surface of another planet and visit other worlds. I know its not highly probable within in my lifetime, but I would be reassured to know that humanity was on its way to being able to spread out across the solar system and out into the stars.
"Our only chance of long-term survival is not to remain inward-looking on planet Earth, but to spread out into space", Stephen Hawking - Questioning the Universe, TED talk - 2008
Candrrgaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a free world. One where nationalism isn't pushed so hard, where we are all the same people, working together for the greater good.
stonewallb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The indefinite extension of human life, obviously. Preferably via consciousness upload into the redditsphere. Anywhere but r/politics.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:55:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering a cheap and effective method for everlasting life.
fatelaking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely 100% solar and wind energy. Not just "renewable" or "clean". These two specifically.
strwbrrypashnaware ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe, sustainable nuclear energy for everybody
Captain_Nesquick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The pyro update
Mahatma_Panda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A woman as president of the USA.
PigeonsOnYourBalcony ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolishment of slavery around the world.
jbraua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wing suit that lets us fly anywhere we want.
sans_manners ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
world peace?
tidally_locked ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Diabetes - I would like to see some real work done to cure diabetes rather than development of drugs and equipment sold to diabetics in order to fill stockholder pockets. As a Type 1 (Insulin dependent) diabetic, I can't help but feel that big pharma has no interest in curing diabetes. It's far more profitable to manufacture drugs and equipment just good enough to keep us going and to keep us paying. Having a chronic disease is like being an indentured servant to these companies.
I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at age 26.
masculine_manta_ray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're not wrong, it also depends on where you are traveling from and what kind of income you have. I currently can't afford a plane ticket and a hotel without pushing the limits of my budget.
I understand why it is expensive, but still wish it was more affordable for someone in the first few years of their job out of college :)
RANDICE007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ARC Reactor Technology. It's a publicity stunt! They built that thing to shut the hippies up!
justaguy556 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots! I need one....for a friend.
OnlinePosterPerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landinh
Xios135 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Philadelphia Eagles winning the Super Bowl...
mechanismOaction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personalized wellness
SatansCatfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably a popular choice but, find life on another planet.
Rosie_says_hi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone's probably said it before, but humans on Mars. I was definetly not around for the first Moon Landing, so I'd like to be able to see humanity's next step into space
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer treatment that is more effective and better government ideologies
CGY-SS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe more widespread nuclear. Or some sort of renewable energy source that's widely available. Man on mars too would be cool.
po0pdawg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:57:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proper sex education across the world
-educating all genders on eachothers sexual organs -proper birth control and use of condoms -how to deal with close ones who have been raped, molested, had miscarriages
Oh male birth control too I guess
agtmadcat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fledgling human colony on its way to basic self sufficiency on another world - Mars, Titan, Europa, Venus, whatever. Just somewhere else to make our species more resilient.
GigaDonk99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ghost in the Shell. I want my brain in a robot body.
MuffeJones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to most conflicts in the world.
otto365 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For scientists granting me immortality.
SHOW-ME-SOURCES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity
TheGamingGoogolplex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonisation of the moon / Mars. With projects like spacex I hope it happens.
masman99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/u/geckogary reach 1 billion karma on his posts
tbohio88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
zero population growth
SkillsInPillsTrack2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tgurls as leaders of corporations and governments.
Jimboobies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to make a video/FaceTime/Skype/etc call without saying "can you see me? Can you hear me?" At the start.
OrlandoDoom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An off planet colony. Having everyone on this one rock, with world destroying weapons pointed at one another, susceptible to pandemic, asteroid, gamma ray burst....etc, etc, etc...almost guarantees our demise.
jpetrou2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A viable third party in the U.S. political system.
Kid_Universe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First humans to successfully colonize Mars or complete clean, sustainable, green energy. Those would truly be the landmarks of human advancement during my lifetime.
CaboseTheMoose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality
TreesAreOftenGreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon base, Mars base.
nevalk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti aging vaccine would be nice in my lifetime. Imagine being the first generation with it, we will be the oldest humans for the remainder of human history.
needsarandomnamebtn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete denuclearation, an off-Earth colony, space tourism
_Lady_Deadpool_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A move towards clean energy and an economy based on automation. There is so much resistance to progressing into the future.
Osama_Bln_Laggin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the Mars landing. Wasn't around for the moon landing, so I gotta be there when we get to Mars.
bradthompson7175 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My roommate actually cleaning rather than getting pissy when I remind him to finish cleaning.
nullagravida ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Zero population growth. Yes, i know my username checks out...i'm doing my part!
ThisPostUpFragile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Lupus.
ieilael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots
CLAMHANDLER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already invented lol! Humanity has its priorities in the right direction.
Frizzles_pet_Lizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A widely used and reliable system to mass-transport food surplus to those in need before the perishable items go rotten.
FifthDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Benevolent General AI
The end of the Human Era and the beginning of paradise on Earth
jjoeyay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the human brain mapped and then simulated on a computer, thus creating an extremely intelligent machine that can be tweaked and run arbitrarily faster than an actual human brain. It could self-improve to physical limits and easily unravel the answers to all world crises.
Dageshak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reversal of aging and age related diseases. Being 30 forever could be pretty alright, I guess.
oyecoolout ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna see a 8 second 100m dash.
x1009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for AIDS, drug addiction, or Cancer
Lil_Gigi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel
Moohcow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ftl travel. Dream big.
runsnailrun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars, as in Jetsons's style. If it doesn't fold into a suitcase before I die I'm ok with that
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer
bassman598 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space travel
hokietek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
kyleishie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars.
john2kxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A free, voluntary society.
helpnxt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self driving electric cars becoming the normal car someone would buy, with petrol and diesel drivers seen as the odd balls
EvilMonkey8521 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Id be the odd ball
Lordofm3m3s ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we seriously reduce the threat of climate change
dr_spiff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to put wire my brain up to a computer and keep me alive in a jar. That's basically imortality as long as you keep the brain juices flowing.
roastedtoperfection ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is a brain and awareness of your surroundings without a physical body to interact?
dr_spiff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is assuming the ability to interact with other computers/internet.
But to your question, the brain itself doesn't have the ability to be aware of surroundings on its own. But it would be similar to being in a sensory deprivation tank I would guess (if you weren't "plugged in").
73jharm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for cancer, so i can continue smoking
rushandblue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, either through age reversal or uploading the human consciousness into machines.
muteen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation.
zeemartian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
colonization of mars
redzimmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of malnutrition.
LIL_SHINY ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
altruSP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely human-like robots.
Dacoderz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to increase the lifespan of our pets. My dog turned 18 in March and it kills me every night that I don't know if he'll be here in the morning.
FM-101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know its selfish and not as practical as some of the "cure for X disease" and "peace on earth" comments, but i really hope we learn more about space.
I want to learn more about a singularity and see what beyond the event horizon looks like.
I want to know how big the universe is. I want to see the furthest existing planet.
I want to casually be able to travel to other planets.
I want humanity to find other civilizations out there and communicate with them.
I want us to be able to fly into the center of stars and gas giants.
djgizmo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A reduction of the global population by .5% each year for the next 100 years.
Over population has caused more issues than anything else. If we cut our population down to pre 1900 era, everyone would be a lot better off, plus it'd extend the life of our planet resources significantly.
Slowjams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures for the major diseases and illnesses (cancer, old-timers, AIDS, MS, etc...)
Some kind of significant manned space mission. The Mars rover was a great achievement and all. But I feel like I missed out on the heat of space exploration in the earlier years of NASA and the space race. I also think it could be really unifying for the global community. Something we can all be proud of as a species.
Red_Dog1880 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonisation of another planet.
Like, honestly. That for me would be the greatest achievement in mankind's history, and i wanna be there for it.
bastugubbar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
man or woman on mars
Omegaclawe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyborg parts of sufficient quality and utility that lopping off body parts for the prosthetic is worth seriously considering.
ZoeZebra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual reality indistinguishable from real life.
coshjollins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
jenkinsonfire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cartilage regeneration
coshjollins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
human level ai
NichJC81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of ALL organized religions for the pursuit of scientific advancements.
IdiotsWorkSpace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:03:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful Impeachment of Trump.
chrizon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Separation of church and state
Blackhawks23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial flights to space. I wanted to be an astronaut but I have zero motivation
parsecro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent return to the Moon. With manned bases.
And a Mars landing.
King-Days ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Coconuts for sale at sex stores
Infirmarian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A space elevator!
afacefullobullet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mastery of the turn signal.
ClarityNHZach ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Building a base on either the Moon or Mars
Jagerlowe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want my damn flying cars
KenzoEngineer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on mars!
LogicCure ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism.
FascinDaWorld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to love without judgement, and freely
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to own a car that I can nap in by myself and wake up on the other side of the country.
bomstik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want to see the mars landing
ssrix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Room temperature superconductors
Billytwoswords89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel
sentient_fridge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An easy to deploy mesh network. Just buy the router and no other setup.
modudupup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Several things actually: A cure for cancer/Alzheimer's/dementia/AIDS, a cheaper/faster method for desalinization of sea water, and an effective alternative to fossil fuels (like nuclear fusion instead of fission). But most importantly, better mental health treatment.
I've lost family members, as well as my own wellbeing, due to mental illness. We need to find a better way to prevent and diagnose mental issues early on.
orngpeel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Porn that I don't regret watching after I nut
ElementUser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleporters! Affordable ones too.
surfkaboom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completing your entire life without ever falling down stairs
unnumbered ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Pulmonary Fibrosis
brahbrobruh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
omni461 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity freeing themselves from the confines of religion, like a hermit crab that has out grown it's shell.
devlifedotnet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I would like to see ultra high speed travel (somewhat realistic) or teleportation (less so). So let's say London to NY in under an hour, London to Sydney in about 2 hours.... that kinda thing.
I just think it would make everyone's lives better. You could make friends in other countries and meet up for dinner, long distance couples could visit each other at evenings and weekends. You could go travelling for a week and visit multiple countries without the exhaustion of traveling through airports.
Obviously teleportation would be even more awesome because it would be quicker but I'd be pretty hyped about covering 4000-5000 miles in an hour.
Obviously all this would need to come with sustainable energy to power it but I think that will happen pretty soon anyway.
Billytwoswords89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:05:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering alien life!
horny_potterhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. Aka Splinch-free apparition.
Julian2000nl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functioning communism
Tcholly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us successfully save the world from climate change, and I also want to live to see interstellar travel. Both are unlikely :/
CLAMHANDLER ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully understanding how space and how the human brain works. So many questions unanswered there.
TurtlebackRobot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon base.
BrundleMcFly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy if we manage to keep society from collapsing. Failing that, at least die knowing that we aren't going extinct in the immediate future.
Mainstream22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
CaptnThunderBolt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meat flavored Skittles.
z0rb0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lab grown meat and lab grown organs.
himanpulsar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some done with thorium! That would be great.
BootyBaron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All humans treated equally. Worldwide.
eleven1993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:06:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sustainable terraform on Mars /the moon for long term comfortable living for people and animals.
coshjollins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A president that eveyone agrees on
sotonohito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality at a price I can personally afford.
empirebuilder1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True self-sustaining fusion power. I won't feel so bad about leaving the A/C set at 65 then.
dotDeeV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
since i didn't find it i'm gonna add "hyperloop (extremly fast transportation) to the list
i know it will get burried but hi to the guy who why ever found it
VPee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'd like to no human killing any other human consciously. If we can do that, we have found the holy grail to immortality - not as an individual but as a race. But sadly the human race is destined to perish at its own hands.
klb3141 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Alzheimer's.
OldRancidSoup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Loaves of sliced bread
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-aware artificial intelligence
SaintHector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The total annihilation of the liberal cucks that plug in their own agendas into others' lives.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:08:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL space travel
chrizon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good Dark Tower movie
TheTigerbite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for lupus.
Beckarooo123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Huntington's :(
lars7083 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:09:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elder scrolls 6
Stewieownedu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Perfect cs at 10 mins.
AUorAG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functional cryogenics
BaldLife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar/-galactic space travel, of course
wildbluyawnder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disc replacement surgery having an 90% or better success rate.
FoolishClown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars.
BloodyWanka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A jurrasic park damnit.
konichiwaaaaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FAST transportation on land and water. It's just ridiculous to commute standing up in a smelly bus for two hours or in 4,000 lbs vehicles stuck in traffic.
BluGerman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see man step foot onto mars.
zaturama015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans getting rekt by alien invasion & and t_d blaming everything to them
_TPikachu7_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see immortality become a real plausible thing. (I found a loophole)
kurosevic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communication with animals
nonamevagabond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An actual human colony on the Moon. I plan to live a long, long time anyway.
verzion101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every one having fast reliable internet.
mikewoodz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2:00 marathon would be amazing
Kubissus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:11:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality potion.
Decivre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A society that is not dependent on the suffering of a lower class.
AniviaPls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of animal abuse at human expense
cracktr0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way for your mom to tighten up her loosy goosy.
itsmeyourtortoise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Late to the party, but I think that during my lifetime we will discover what gravity is, aka whether it is a force, particle, and how it works. It's one of the greatest remaining mysteries in physics and it affects, well, just about everything in the known universe. Would love to be around when we figure out what it is and how to control it.
JakefromGeico7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The completion of a "song of fire and ice"
vancyon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality... the rest can follow lol
hafabee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Survival of the human race.
thardoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR as close as we can get to 'dive' gear. VR experiences at the highest level we can reasonably expect since right now VR is clunky, uncomfortable and altogether imperfect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Never going to happen but despite only being an issue of the past 100years, I think we need to strive for universal nuclear disarmament
MaxwellVolume42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:12:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Androids (not the phones)
__Mt__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual reality in which I can have a second life.
l2ainblow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality pills
NatureLover6847 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer or any neurodegenerative diseases.
ViolentEraser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not having to wipe after pooping
davidauz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personal AIs sorting out the boring stuff while we humans do the cool things.
I mean a friendly bot that remembers when to pay the bills, finds jobs based on my skills, selects interesting (to me) information to read.
And maybe drives the car, fills the fridge buying things I like on the net and so on.
Come on AI scientists, you have been prophesying this since the '60s, how much longer should I wait?
gtmonroe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on mars
NoobLongTime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The series finale of Game of Thrones.
Clear-Black ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next Tool album to be released
adamantitian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
total denuclearization
Simiautohatemachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Societies and governments basing decisions and focus on current scientific data instead of dogma and ignorance.
Jobbo33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel.
civiljoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Would be nice if we could all just accept each other.
moosebog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:13:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something to treat strokes
Zerhaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Po1ar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plutonium is availableย in every corner drug store.
spatterist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reason displacing religion on a large scale. easy effective birth control. STDs destroyed.
lots of happy fucking.
da1nonlyoska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation Machine / Time Machine. Before I die.
PLEASE SMART PEOPLE OF EARTH
LanceBassHole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One Reddit comment thread that doesn't mention broken arms.
Swordsarecool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see us mine helium 3 from the moon. Apparently the stuff can fuel earth for like 10,000 years and the moon is full of it.
CaptPicard85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A drunk flying a nuke through sub-space to be seen by some pointy ear'd bastards who help us found the greatest peace bringing organization in the galaxy.
68rouge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see the Falcons winning a Super Bowl. PAHAHAHA No I don't. WHO DAT
Skeltzjones ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to delete a sent email from the recipient's inbox
DataEast1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A stable human colony on the moon or Mars
OnlyRoomForOneCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full immersion VR. Please, I don't wanna die before I see that become a thing.
dragonthemagicpuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not saying "Lit" anymore
liberalartsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want humans to realize that quality healthcare is a basic right/necessity
Hanshee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discover I can poop materials more rare and expensive than diamonds.
HORSEBLUES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eggs that don't expire
JefeSeattle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal currency and open borders
FunkFabrik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for male pattern baldness
PibRm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing on Mars. Think of how when we landed on the Moon, it was celebrated as something great by everyone. I want it to bring people together again. Plus it'd be totally fucking boss.
nch14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see materialism/capitalism end and for us to focus more on the world we live in. More effort on finding out how and why we are here and less on trying to have a better life than the rest of 'em.
That and for ALL forms of persecution to end, all of these movements going on now and they are just more of the same, they aren't ending anything.
NickoBlackmen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ready player one style VR.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drugs110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Changing sexual orientation upon the person's request. not forcing anyone 'queer' to do so if they don't want to
planet_bal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to reduce arterial plaque with a safe pill.
burninator876 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality...I want to see it before I die.
Feather-Flag-Nation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Low cost outer space visits for everyone. It'll be like traveling to Florida for Disney World. Purchase your air fare, show up to the airport, fly to your destination. You can pick if you want to visit the moon or mars, or maybe even the space station.
NimbusHex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing blindness.
malganis12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 10th book of Stormlight Archive.
user1688 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nano-fabricators
smokeshack_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Bengals playoff win.
A-RK6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:17:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A viable way of intercontinental travel that doesn't involve sitting in a flying tin can full of other people's farts for 10+ hours.
ThePeevish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboard. Where the fuck is it
Solilicious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact.
dakotacali ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Taking personal medical advances i would want out of the picture i would have to say seeing a person walk on mars would be pretty cool
Thegreeper43 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
HS_Did_Nothing_Wrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transferring a human consciousness into a machine. I want to join our A.I overlords.
Deathtrooper22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A interplanetary/interstellar Human civilization or Empire.
Cormophyte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always been partial to Armageddon. Im not trying to be edgy or anything, just selfish. If it's going to happen I'd rather see it than not.
That way I know I won't miss anything.
Ender1215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact, banging a hot alien is at the top of my bucket list, right above smoking weed with Abraham Lincoln
Microtendo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What About abradolf lincler?
Ender1215 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lemme just switch my bucket list around a little...
-M4L4- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cure. I'm sure thousands of other people have commented on it, but to have both of my grandparents pass from it was rough. Not to mention one "beat it" in one place only for it to magically reappear 20 years later. The added element of knowing that once you've got it, your days are more than likely numbered, makes Cancer even worse. Thousands die from it every year, and it has to be one of the worse ways to go out.
klop2031 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:18:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General AI/strong AI
LoftyGoat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going with Gandhi on this one: I'd like to see Western civilization.
outlawaol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of the 40hr work week. Cause seriously, its fucking stupid.
tislulu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably very late. Peace.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% eradication of humanity.
pretentious-redditor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex robots
Funk-sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Reddit filter that gets rid of all the shitty 'pun-piggy backing' that tops the reddit comments on any post
Nubice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Screw the laws of physics, I want superluminal travel.
bull9396 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rick and Morty season 4 would be friggin awesome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:19:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is World Peace too much to hope for?
sadlegend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar space travel.
ethanf33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time Travel
baylifeee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A spaceship that has the ability to travel at light speed and not kill its passengers.
steinman17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All these are great, but I wanna see a sub 9 100m dash
berderper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With a high certainty, astronomers telescopes discover a planet like Earth with signs of life.
SparklyPen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer treatment without chemotherapy, radiation and surgery. And children will not die from cancer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
anti-age therapies. I'd like to have some few decades to live in good conditions.
Anymyous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 9 seconds in the 100 meter dash
CursedMeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world where everyone pays in crypto-currency
mattbaum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:20:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a cure for halitosis.
dimeandaquarter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whirled peas
FoxUniverse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR to the point of The Holodeck from Star Trek
MandoMark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:21:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill and Hillary being perp-walked into prison?
GottaLoveSoloQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teletransportation!
TheAznInvasion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars
WildBird57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reaching another solar system with robots - this is easier than you'd think (see solar sails).
PurpleMonkeyElephant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars. 100% I'm 30, if I live to see a Mars expedition, I will die a happy man. Can't wait to eat acid and see that live ; )
2Punx2Furious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making a friendly Artificial General Intelligence, or AGI.
That would basically achieve most of the things posted in this thread and more.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human colony on Mars.
SpookyKinzie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uncensored hentai
firewingdale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dream machine
CraazyGamerz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of all wars.
averagejoegreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people on mars
Bishopkilljoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:23:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity to look past its differences and see that we are united by species, one race with one common goal, the betterment of humanity. I know that's asking a lot, but even banding together for our environment and putting our worlds greatest minds together to better everybody, not just a political boarder.
Lazy_Genius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not being collectively retarded
ybfelix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Battery that could power my phone for 24h non-stop redditing
QuinnyTheQuail ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
myself getting laid
warrior457 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ability to transfer your mind into a machine, either temporarily or in order to gain a robot body, either way it would be incredible
CrushHazard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A scalable method to remove GHGs from the atmosphere. My kids and grandkids deserve it.
xcept4dreamsnvrfree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
Chipleo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us to become a Type 2 civilisation
Jaxster37 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology would be swell.
NiveusT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:24:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giant space stations and space colonies... I'm ok with livable underwater cities too though.
Conquerz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is such a dumb thing I know, but I want an steroid that just makes you burn fat 2000 times more efficiently, and makes you gain muscle mass way more effectively, with literally no side effect.
Like you inject it every day and if you're 300 pounds you get abs within a month while still eating like shit.
Training is fun, dieting isn't
ServileLupus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ghost in the shell style cyberbrains/bodies. Or just upload me to the internet.
_protodax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The start of an extraterrestrial colony, or the discovery of a habitable earth-like planet
Dunder_Chingis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some form of FTL or a way to cheat the vast distances between stars, be it wormholes, warp drives, or whatever. Casual interstellar travel would be the best
legalkimchi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Often_Giraffe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two chicks, man.
GDSGFT2SCKCHSRS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable, powerful, compact, personal jetpacks and deluxe, hyperrealistic, autonomous, robot fuck dolls. And if they can somehow integrate the two into a single dual purpose unit before I croak I could die a happy, sexually satisfied, airborne man.
BlueberryPhi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind walk on Mars.
ablacknipple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
world peace
the_angry_viking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR PORN. Not like today's VR porn but like Sword Art Online level VR....but with porn.
rdh212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proper human genetic modification, artificial limbs and organs that are actually superior to their natural counterparts, the fall of oppressive governments, establishing colonies on the Moon and Mars (and in orbit), and asteroid mining.
gomexz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full on wings please.
MurderousEntityxbox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
jacobslighthouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans wiped out by machines would be nice. By the look of things, I might just get my wish.
gil_beard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it won't happen in my lifetime but I'd love to see us visit another solid system.
xShadoughx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Put my brain in a robot body.
lemonhead7t7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 4 second Rubik's Cube solve at a competition, the current official world record is 4.73
ilholtstilin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of A Song of Ice and Fire. I won't get my hopes up.
SgtFolley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sort of sustainable colony off planet, even if it's a station at a Lagrange point.
Twign ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel, robotics, advances in medicine
deepwaterfall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for [insert incurable disease here].
ALobpreis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to poverty and starvation.
Thesumis182 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world without lame comments
boddah7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
131,072 upvotes on that frog meme.
Brocktoon_in_a_jar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
catch an asteroid and mine the shit out of it
tommy_pickles45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mosquito extinction
OldYellowBricks95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony. I've dreamed of it since I was a kid and I was obsessed with space!
Yerboogieman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Polycystic kidney Disease. Family history, and it doesn't kill you, you just have to sit in a chair for 4 hours, 3 times a week at dialysis with a bunch of people who didn't take care of themselves, and still continue not to.
vcsx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breaking a law of physics. Faster-than-light travel, negative gravity, the works.
imightlikeyou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
JamesKrcek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full prosthetic organs, limbs, and bodies. I would love to see everyone be able to have 4 limbs and the ability to see stuff, and on top of that it'd be cool if we could scrap our old kidneys and hearts and shit for more efficient alternatives.
Blast64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some sort of better way to fight cancer. My father just passed from it a few days ago...
Ghostly_Nova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity colonizing Mars
mirahsan2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The removal of repuptards and liberaltards. Both extremes are ruining the planet.
StaleCornflake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
lab raised meat that ends traditional methods.
jatjqtjat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody has said fully self driving cars yet?
I want a sleeper car, so i can go to bed at home, and wake up anywhere within an 8 hour radius.
60 minute commute to work? that's fine, i'll work my first and last hour of the day from the car while it drives for me.
road trip? The drivers and passengers seat face backwards, and you can fit 4 people comfortably around a table.
Add to all that cheap electric cars, and transportation is completely revolutionized.
I might sell my house and buy a self driving RV. Wake up in a new city every day.
I really hope that becomes reality and not fantasy.
Sorry professional drivers of all kinds. =(
Hazz3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:28:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like it if abortion was never necessary ever again!
gomexz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What does that mean. You want everyone to be sterile or you want everyone to have the kid?
Hazz3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basically end unwanted pregnancies without killing the unborn. Perfect contraception, end rape, etc, etc.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see contact with intelligent alien life. That's all I've ever wanted to see since I was a kid. Hopefully a Kryptonian fingers crossed
FangOfDrknss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better VR. Come on, Simpsons, keep up the predictions.
dating_derp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robot Nation.
I want a nation where one third of jobs are replaced by robots and AI. Followed soon after by functioning Universal Basic Income being established to deal with the 30% unemployment rate.
John1-1-7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Demolition of party system in democracy.
LBKewee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They should put something on cars that lets other people know what the operator's intentions are when moving with traffic.
Tuutori ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Equal distribution of wealth. And whatta hell while we're at it: world peace, democracy based on awareness and a working time machine.
ClassicYotas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AT&T and Comcast go bankrupt, as well as Time Warner and the other assholes.
Oculophage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:29:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial pancreas.
-BenderRodriguez- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete understanding of how the human brain works
theseleadsalts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see cancer curb stomped. I will settle for EB or FOP destroyed too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be immortal
squipple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
After this presidency, the re-instatement of net neutrality.
Kyzzyxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People living thousands of years
botolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Head Transplant
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suicide booth
Jeggasyn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An Asian dessert that is good (and not ice cream based)
benjy007c ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A hipster in a coffee shop writing a decent screenplay.
ApocalypseFatigue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic compassion without agenda.
Bradacleblaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloning machines
bbacher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power plants.
SilverRivet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terraforming
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pretty easy. People stopping being dicks to each other.
Ye, pretty easy...
vercingetorix52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:31:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Intelligence.
Cephas4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either flying cars or living in space/another planet. Like the expanse without all the bad stuff though. Haha.
bartman04189 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A solution to the catch rule
league359 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp drive invented before 2063.
Fun_Sized_Momo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Viable cybernetic bodies.
-G-A-R-D-E-N-E-R- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The complete destruction of the syndicate.
Taygr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human walking on Mars
johnndeh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
climate change be beat
Mariske ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal sex education that gives everyone all of the information so they can choose to have children or not. I think that's the key to our overpopulation problem and a major solution for global warming.
D0gfuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pay equity. Why should billionaire owners make obscene amounts of money and pay they employees peanuts. How do the Walton family even live with the knowledge that their employees need a food bank to eat. Does a CEO deserve 100 or 200 times the income of their employees?
omegadown3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moving beyond religious mythologies.
mapleavenahant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for Type 1 Diabetes
NHDraven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be downloaded ala Transcendence.
cuacuacuac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life
Jdl112086 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading your brain to a computer so you can live forever.
littlehawk_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Parkinson's and better treatment so patients can at least talk/write/communicate somehow. I miss talking to my mom and I know how frustrating it is for her too
rubymiggins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income.
Its_Ba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace?
Zargabraath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, obviously...as long as they figure that out in your lifetime then you will most likely see all the others too
Onacle_in_space ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleporters
crimsonBZD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either full on, privatized space flight and colonization - or cancer cured.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a rogue Tesla interface gain just enough sentience to become self-aware, kill it's driver, then systematically trawl all available driver data, create a hierarchy of what constitutes a bad person (this could range from Facebook habits to acceleration/signalling habits) and then migrate to all available currently driving Teslas and initiate fatal driver only death crashes at exactly the same millisecond.
OneTrueDweet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So that's what the T really stands for in T-1000....
awoojtas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial intelligence kill us all.
Milo_Burns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good 3D Sonic game
187onamothafuckinMOD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace and Justice
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Populating other planets.
PM_ME_MOD_DOXX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HBO's Oz remastered on blu-ray
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the whole planet to work on (in It's majority) sustainable energy
TheVileReich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna see what we're gonna do when every job replaces humans with AI.
cypher50 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone bowl a 300 in GTA IV.
Scary-Brandon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using renewable resources as opposed to fossil fuels. It's something we can achieve right now if money wasn't a factor (not it's not an issue, if fossil fuel company owners (or whatever) put all their effort into renewable free resources we could eradicate the need for fossil fuels)
JustAverageAmerican ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The takeover of Walmart by Target, ending the corruption.
JMSpartan23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to fly. Landing on Mars. Live HD video feed from Jupiter (from Space; isn't Jupiter's gravity like 200x that of Earth?). I want to see the Great Red Spot. The Lions win a Super Bowl (believe me, it's a fucking achievement. Try living in Detroit). Shrinking the worlds trash by 50%. Wifi worldwide (free).
deanreevesii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real cure for depression, not just a whack-a-mole line of treatment.
Fuzzyknurl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of how to produce gravitrons. Einstein predicted them and it has been proven that they exist. Now we need to discover how to make them. This is the best way to make a solid state hover craft that would be completely silent.
iwontrememberanyway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:34:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate stabilization.
Dragon420Wizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human space travel to another galaxy
MasterXanax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To break even physics as we know. Time travel or what is yet unknown when one exceeds the speed of light? Parallel universes? Pre big bang? Et cetera !
Hav3_Y0u_M3t_T3d ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since all my favorites are taken and upvoted, im going to say a fact based US government free from religious influence
rigel2112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. The rest can wait.
vealdin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human colony on another world. I've always been interested in the thought of being able to live on other worlds, and being able to go through space casually.
gamecubemr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ftl :(
whodeyjb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Besides the obvious cure all terrible diseases; I would love to see alien contact.
Socially_numb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solution to climate change.
vinboi15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gta 6
PotatoSociety ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:35:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
land on the red planet.
Im tired of all this bullshit budget-cuts to Nasa, or low incentive to any space corp. But before I die, I want mankind to hit that SOB
RedSpecter1917 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the abolishment of capitalism. โ
MasterXanax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin or any crypto becoming mainstream. Fiat getting a run for its money !
That'hd be crypto-cool !
Knighthawk1114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colinizing mars
richfred77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably space mining or some shit like that.
QuicksilverSasha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
lapisluigi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holographic touch screen phones. Like grizzl in parks and rec
thetwopaths ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:36:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Controlled fusion reaction that supplies sufficient energy through an efficient grid to all the people of the world, along with corresponding changes in the transportation network (pollution free vehicles) and quality free healthcare and education for all the world's peoples. Is that too much to ask?
germzmares ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of life from a celestial body other than earth. Be it microscopic or full-blown sentient life; at least we know we're not alone.
psdnmstr01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology.
Ottoman_American ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first steps to actually terraforming another planet.
DaddyPug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation would be pretty sweet but probably unrealistic on human level
SleepIsForChumps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human landing on mars.
daredaki-sama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloning and actively manipulating DNA.
Or bipedal mechs/power armor. Not the primitive crap we have today.
Human/computer interface. Like having virtual world MMORPGs.
QualifiedBadger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colorblind treatment and or cure. Preferably one approved by us air force. RIP dreams of being a pilot
Fat_Old-Sun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:37:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love it if we could design a toaster that fits a slice of bread completely inside it.
dexternine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully functional self driving cars.
Jigglypuff1093 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already saw the 2 million mile reading on a random truck's odometer.
imperialfishFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel
AmazingELF74 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Dyson sphere
chukbuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Under 2 hours in the Marathon.
imperialfishFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
_TakaMichinoku ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of other lifeforms in another planet or galaxy. My biggest wish is to witness this before I die
AjsOlsson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The crazy horse monument. That shits gonna be dope if it ever gets done
chops51991 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:38:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I feel that the first contact we'll have outside our systen will be a form of pollution. Cuz we, as a species, are nasty. We're just gonna get nasty all across the stars
brohica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a cure for diabetes. My sister and I both have Type 1 Diabetes and I was just notified my insurance provider is leaving the market in my state. Insulin alone costs $21,000/year and I can't afford real, non-subsidized health insurance for me and my wife. A cure would mean I could eat whatever I want again. A cure would mean fewer hospital visits and a longer lifespan. A cure could mean the difference between seeing grandkids and seeing great-grandkids.
Lt_Doctor_Goober ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hover crafts.
Chicago_45 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone breaks Wilt Chamberlains 100 point record
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of capitalism
straight-lampin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
MattScoot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Increased/indefinite lifespans
KingFigue94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
--AJ-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of tolerated ignorance.
Neapola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us discover life on another planet. Yay!?
I'd also like to see us find more intelligent life on this planet. Sigh.
snazzysportstacker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope that scientists will one day find a way to atomize our waste, and sort and reuse those atoms to make things like food, tools and whatnot.
Krono5_8666V8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An ethical, private ISP that provides fast connection at a reasonable price for everyone.
More realistic? Amazon delivery drones and more restaurants offering delivery.
ornangejuice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of another planet.
imperialfishFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Memes becoming dank again
AppleCiderCinnamon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So all the good comments mention Mars one way or another, so:
Radical feminism dying... on MARS
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
me getting a girlfriend
rogue_tog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligence
16beanz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing for sure
ofekp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me winning an Arms Race round in CS:GO
greffedufois ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3D printed organs from a patients stem cells. Not having a waiting list would be awesome.
JoelNesv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone can afford to buy a home.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ultimate VR system where it is indistinguishable from reality when you are plugged in.
LetMeJustJumpInHere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autonomous cars zipping around the freeway at 200mph
TrainerDave604 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:40:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonization!
tud_the_tugboat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
General AI
zoellia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First WWE Woman World Heavyweight Champion
Krellous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World wide common sense.
notjustatourist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide acknowledgement and acceptance of human impact to the environment and a committed, joint effort to reversing the damage we've done. Edit: punctuation
v1ech ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure to paraplegia.
i know we are not too far from it so it should be doable
bryman22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone swimming faster than a shark
floatingwithobrien ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gaayyyyyyyyy president
Eukeni1999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans traveling to Mars!
Dirt-Jockey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real dolls that are alive so you can talk to one and have a fulfilling relationship rather than just a fuck toy.
Davism72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars.
symbologythere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say ending fatal illness would be great. If we gain the ability to repair our DNA and/or repair our cells at the molecular level then humans living "forever" would be possible. Basically live until something kills you, so looking both ways before crossing becomes REALLY important. Doubt we'd make it long enough to see the end of the Universe but it's possible we'd outlive Earth and a couple other planets. It would be cool As Fuck to be around that long!
Rockinwaggy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:42:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Independence from petroleum and foreign entities
imperialfishFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of all religious differences
lucash7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of intelligent life on earth.....
MorRobots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first elderly human to pass-away from natural causes laid to rest near his long time home, on mars.
deadsilencerotsinme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Much and much more space exploration, Area 51- public access, and deep sea exploration
SeattleTeriyaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A god damn moon base would be nice.
Muter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:43:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space tourism.
A mission on Mars would be cool, but it doesn't give me anything and doesn't really change much.
I'm being selfish here, I've always dreamed of getting weightless in space so to get to the point that we have a fairly safe and relatively cheap way of taking people up into orbit ... yeah that's what I want
p1chu_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to Mars
_Ace_Rimmer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel for us average folks. I'd love a vacation to outer space
bluo100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Screw Mars, let's go to Venus!
narthon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain taping.
Blessing727 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real hover board like in back to the future 2.
TheYeagerbombz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy in all major countries.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simple.
Walk or be on the moon at least once again.
I'm sure there is nothing there...we probed and poked and sniffed and figured its just another rock in space. Having not been back in 45 years which is quite impressive. I'd at least like to know that we WANT to go back OR try to explore the moon. There must be some advances in tech or something to still learn up there. But I'm assuming we know it all and perhaps that is why we try to go to an even FURTHER more dangerous and ridiculous goal of Mars. We could have at least started a habitat on the Moon by now. It has almost been 50 years.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop wars. No more exploitation of economically weaker countries, but assistance in development. Maybe reform capitalism. To a better, more transparent capitalism.
chasej17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mars
Babatikidido1212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:44:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon.
Kubrick_Fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A manned mission to the Moon which leads to a manned base and the first "Break Even" test of Nuclear Fusion
NinjaJc01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial General Intelligence that doesn't take over the world
Mars Landings
Fusion
Flight that doesn't have hours of security
Corporations respecting privacy
Neil2250 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars.
mullownium ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A realistic and viable set of plans for mitigating climate change.
amazingfilipino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:45:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Filipinos in the Philippines deciding on use of F or Ph. It's not that difficult for phucks sake.
Cunicularius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human Immortality through downloading and simulation of the human brain
FunkyDaJunky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mass realisation that instructions and rituals developed during ignorant dark times might need to be looked at and reevaluated, taken with a pinch of salt as my mother would say, to prevent further needless loss of life. Basically just want the whole world to take a massive chill pill and stop shouting start listening.
RaymondDavisQuest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and a globalized community not unlike Star Trek.
seventomatoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Walk 40 minutes thrice a week, eat a slightly customized tablet and go to a Psychologist four times a week for 3 months, loose 25 kgs of weight only side effect is saggy skin. Mind knows not to put it back. Affordable to a 30 year old with a layman's salary
nerdnn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:46:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prolonging life forever in my 26 yr old body. Obvious bias.
Yan_jr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to upload our conscience and then copy it into a new cloned body of you.
ocean365 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mass production of cloned hamburgers/all meat
JayMaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Off-world colonization.
bigedthebad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
If you look at all of human existence, while we have made incredible technological achievements, we're still just as aggressive and selfish as we ever were.
I'd like us to stop killing each other for no reason. Until we do that, we are seriously no better off than we were when we came down from the trees.
Slightspark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear disarmament
br3ntj25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see fucking Iron Man
mrrp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see someone run a 4:00 minute beer mile.
parrot_in_hell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some kind of message from aliens, at least, if not communication with them. Ever since the first time I've heard the concept of aliens it was always one thing I really wanted, and wanted to participate to as well
LowChoBro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Marliaria, we already got rid of it in the first world because it was so god awful, if we could end it everywhere it would be a huge plus to humanity
phantom_97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation, or just superfast transport in general, would be really awesome. Imagine all the time saved, plus no threat of being dragged out of your airplane seat!
Gwaer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Then I can experience all the rest of your ideas.
Zhubarik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-life 3
Rogermcfarley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending the addiction to smartphones by the mass populous. Go on a date, she's on her phone all the time. Go to your friend's house, everyone is on their phone. Take your kids to Kindergarten they're all on their phones, we're breeding a whole humanity of people who don't communicate with each other in person. It's tragic. It won't end in my lifetime.
Mr_Fitzgibbons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolishment of gullibility
Sinnuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see a better understanding and respect for mental illness and fatigue. I've come across many friends and family members who just don't understand or empathize with those suffering a mental illness. On a brighter side, I truly believe I will see this in my lifetime as I do see more organizations and companies dealing with informing the masses about these critical issues.
lulalars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
Astronaut100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. Long commutes kill vacations!
blackpanther6389 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Resource Based Economy (RBE) as defined by the originator, Jacque Fresco.
If you want to see the end of hunger, poverty, crime, corruption, exploitation of shortcomings for profit, then that is the direction we must go.
Even if the first city was under construction at some point in my lifetime, that would be awesome. Hard to see it happening though, but I'm hopelessly determined to do what I can to make changes and inform as many people as I can about the benefits of an RBE.
LeesYellowPants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wireless Electricity
ignaziou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Brain - Computer interface (//elon-musk developing?) + Glasses with cool HUDs (with sensors.. like music notes, scales, frecuencies; temperature, body status, etc)
frogmicky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NYC with a transit system that has no delays
daxmotis1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:49:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Light speed
HonorlessTakito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Secret to immortality, because you know... dying
saramelrose ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more religions!
karl-tanner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A space elevator
cmitch3087 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of extra terrestrial life
evan2621 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see North Korea liberated, and then I want to visit to see all the cool shit in a once isolated country
ViviCetus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of nations, and the establishment of a tax office with purview over the entire Earth.
Ending nations would solve most of our "us and them" problems, I think. The artificial divisions nations create between people, saying that where and to whom a culture abruptly becomes unavailable is based on a line drawn by the last point a nation was able to conquer before we decided not to do any more conquering and that "exactly these countries determine what kinds of people there are from now on," would break down and we would see more easily that culture and humanity can live and grow in a freer way. Immigration would become a non issue, since you'd be coming from and going nowhere different than before, and all that would change is where you were locally. Freedom of movement would be as natural as breathing, and people would have an advantage that corporations and the obscenely rich have had for a long time.
The worldwide tax office would keep those rich fuckers from hiding half of the money in Switzerland, which conveniently would no longer exist. Fuck you, we need that to pay for our radical socialist agenda.
ayojamface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cumulus. Clouds
hamlet9000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Gone213 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colony on Mars
ph00p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bigotry to end, just let people be and love whoever they want.
gfy88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Myself getting laid.
Sorpl3x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:51:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone giving me reddit gold for no reason.
kochier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonies.
TheLostDovahkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finaly saving or destroying earth and living on some other planet
Nestiik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Head transplantations.
DrinkVictoryGin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Receiving a message from elsewhere in the universe. I'm not saying we could reply or meet, but just a communication. I could die satisfied with interstellar science
tonga_money ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me ending a pay period with a balance in my checking account rather than an overdraft amount.
Idkawesome ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace. An overhaul of the world religions.
Absolute_Tensai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Travel
B0unce_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extermination of the human race
chili01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering alien sentient life form.
CrypticResponseMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see human-scaled teleportation achieved, then made available to the public. ๐
Thanitos05 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Attaining interstellar travel so we can travel across the galaxy in a few years instead of millions of years and also invent a form of cryo sleep to go along with the super advanced ships
StriderMeow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense make a grand return
Roronoa_Zoro_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bernie Sanders world president.
DD225 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The power grid in North America insulated from an EMP blast.
Vyrosatwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functional immortality, so all of them.
VulcanCyborg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading human consciousness to a machine...
outley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon
FaultyGherkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bill Wurtz to upload twice in a day
meganac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure to cancer. I don't want anyone to have to go through what my family have been through. I lost my Dad 9 weeks ago. He was 53.
One4Logic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to hunger.
xcyu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Riemann's hypothesis proof
congocross ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable space travel.
"I am going to the moon this weekend, wanna join?" Would be amazing.
Noexit007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious answer: Humanity united (worldwide country if you will). It may sound like a vague answer or loose pipe dream but it would be pretty cool for Humanity to be united under 1 banner and would likely lead to less fighting among ourselves and more looking beyond ourselves. We are already trending towards a more blended world with races, cultures, dialects merging and altering. I dont know, maybe this wouldn't be considered an achievement for some, but for me this would lead towards MORE progression and achievements then ever before in my view. And would definitely be a step forward with regards to a more peaceful world.
Non-Serious answer: Teleportation. Yea i know its likely NEVER going to happen because of the nature of the beast, but damn if it wouldn't be cool.
AnimationsVFX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A similar post, but instead of human, robot.
randyosteiner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have an Asian woman with big titties interested in me and hooking up.
lukemelon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man walk on the moon. Wasn't born when/if it happened the first time
Euphorix126 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully staffed science facility on mars and/or the moon, with constant trips back and forth to cycle workers on and off every couple of years or so.
djohnstonb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prosthetics that match or exceed natural function
TheMechanic1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see..fuck it no point.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1) Setting foot on Mars.
2) Actual, verified, publicly televised contact with an extraterrestrial race, similar to the events in the book "Childhood's End"--only without the book's outcome.
3) Finding Genghis Khan's tomb.
awesomekid06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Moon colony where I can look up at the night sky and see lights.
Marples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to poverty and war.
EnderColt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:54:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holographic images and intelligent AI. All hail skynet
DarkestXStorm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A day where most won't have to "work to live" (have absolutely no time for family or hobbies). It makes me sick how we treat our working class. I think alone time/ time with family/ time for a hobby should be thought about by employers. I know many people who work tirelessly for almost nothing (US).
Leite465 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discover why people like to fuck coconuts
IanAnthonyKane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good Fantastic Four movie.
pattern144 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seriously? This question always gets asked on r/askreddit and yet this post gets poppin. Wtf.
Gracie19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a cure for AIDS and cancer
Bob_Dedication ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human Mars landing and viable fusion energy.
Centrif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Alzheimer's. My father is currently undergoing the early signs and the prevention seems too late
Kagamid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mobile Suits. I'd re-enlist immediately to pilot one. They are extremely destructive and would probably destroy most cities I visit but man are they awesome.
2Thousand8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The publication of the last book in A Song of Ice and Fire.
aniketashtekar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People would say they want success in their fields and life. I want that too. But more than that, I want two things: happiness and peace.
I've had a good amount of fights with the world. Sorry that I'm mentioning something personal over here, but for long I've been looking for someone who can understand what I think and what I have to say. Over the time, I've realised something, which I guess applies to everyone. That when you have someone who can understand your thoughts, you are in a most calm and peaceful situation.
As for happiness, I believe more than success, its the satisfaction of a person that counts. People get engaged in a life long race of success, not realizing that if they have something to satisfy them, they'll actually be on top of the world in their own way. So happiness becomes my priority, accomplished through satisfaction.
Brad314692 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stephen A. Smith admitting he is wrong
DyPyWy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ai that start to become self aware and then realize that nothing has a purpose and kills every thing.
Attila_22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to clone our consciousness into another body.
chryseos-geckota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human immortality
Chairbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleveland winning a superbowl
PileHigherDeeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Invent the the fusion rocket and travel to the nearest star with it. It would take years before we arrived even decades really, but I'd like to see it 'get off the ground'. Fun fact, the Pentagon spent a million dollars investigating this possibility a few years back. A manned mission would be preferable but a robotic mission would be exciting as well. They are investigating the possibility of a robotic mission as well.
Minecraft_Launcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting level 2 runecrafting on my main.
GOODSHIT_RIGHTTHERE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans step on Mars.
FlumpMC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For all the countries to just fucking calm the fuck down at each other! Kim Jong Un needs a time out!
Lord_of_N00bs_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
thephantom1492 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:57:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of dictatorship everywhere in the world, with true functionning democracy.
FyreFlu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, or at least agelessness for what I feel are obvious reasons.
Christophurious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elimination of racism and sexism.
Scadilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A practical and effective approach to diagnosing and treating mental health problems; from depression to Alzheimer's. It shouldn't be taboo or expensive.
RoosterGoneNuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
RustedCorpse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact? But that might not be us. On a personal level I'd love a distant buy visible supernova.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely treat and cure all cancers
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation.
Finally. The ability to teleport bread.
DogMakeAMove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact and relationships with ET'S
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete and total disarmament of nuclear weapons across the planet.
callsign__iceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of some form of immortality
BOOMWildCard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hands down eternal life.
Proaxel65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not having to charge my phone anymore.
IamAdrummerAMA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liverpool winning the Premier League
rodinj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with aliens
Spacecadet613 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new form of mass transportation.
karl-tanner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding another planet that can sustain human life.
EdShnee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism
nikolaiamoth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want allergies to be cured. It's a petty interest for me since all i have are food allergies and i just want ice cream but could we please redirect the focus of the scientific community to getting me ice cream.
Professor_Porksword ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A medicine that somehow reverses the effects of multiple sclerosis. That and human augmentation like in the Deus Ex series.
sanitarySteve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a moon base, or affordable space vacations.
JonArc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, but I'll settle for first contact.
VinnieVichi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful healing of fully amputated limbs
Valthek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
direct brain-machine interface
billiarddaddy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like space flight to not be hindered by the need to taking your fuel with you.
GreyShot254 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Running 100% on renewable energy
SatanicOnion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end to arbitrary hate, like racism and bigotry in general
Bikeboy76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not an achievement, but if you need a ray of hope about the future search for the videos of professor Hans Rosling. RIP, sadly passed away this year, but a great optimist about the future. "See look as we all move to the healthy, wealthy side of the graph" -excited Swedish accent.
janellestr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of human trafficking
TeddyV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of people who type " u wat m8? " Also people who type "halp" instead of Help. Fucking failed coat hanger abortions...
Wallapee12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personal teleportation. Just imagine not being stuck in traffic or behind an 85 yr old going 10 under the speed limit all the way to work. It's glorious
camillabok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation. I hate the airport experience.
JMDeutsch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful third political party in the United States.
Degarim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:01:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind landing on Mars.
Weavesnatchin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want them to show me the technology they've already made. Did you know that there is a lazer that the US created that can make Fry from Futurama a real person. They have this technology and they haven't made him real to tell him Seymour loved him and was waiting for him to come back, man. Dayum bro.
hatesthespace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm gonna go ahead and cheat: The "cure" to morbidity and senescence (disease and aging). Immortality.
Then I'd get to see all the other achievements. I'd get to play Half-Life 3 and read Winds of Winter.
CaIIous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete nuclear disarmament.
redcapmilk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end
astoradota ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
May sound silly but in my lifetime i really want to see an actual superhero, like there are billions of people and one day it could happen
sarcasmcannon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us become an interplanetary-spacefaring people
d4rk_sh4d0w ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the line becoming blurred between human and machine.
100Dampf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first warp flight and contact with the vulcans
typowilliams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:02:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing humans walk on Mars.
IsaacMovieDude ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Photo realistic Oculus VR world. Where you can touch, feel and do things beyond your imagination.
TheSynth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously cure to cancer
Shitty_Butthole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for mortality. Then I can see all of mankind's achievements! It's like wishing for a million wishes.
SirPoopyButtholeIII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a world where people stop focusing on greed and killing one another and focus on important scientific ventures like space travel or and end to cancer.
EmilyEvie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:03:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for mortality
Areldyb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This may be stretching what counts as a "human" achievement: uploading.
tsk1979 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity becoming common
Spacecadet613 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A different voting system for America.
Shields42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable consumer quantum computers.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Carbon positive housing for everyone.
BullockHouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colonization. Brain mapping. Fusion power. Commercial virtual reality.
One down, three to go.
innerpeice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Underwater deep sea " stations" that document and record the ocean , tectonic activity and wildlife .
Take a sub and dock to it, like the ISS, but under the ocean
ripredrum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not so much an achievement per se, but I'd love to see Andrew Irvine's body recovered off of Mt. Everest, and see if George Mallory and him made it to the top, and what killed him
JJMac11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Majority Atheist U.S.
DemonicWombat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:04:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. Not a specific type but all cancer. Lost my mom to lung cancer last year, found out three days ago my dad has a mass on his pancreas and lesions on his liver. Seriously, Fuck cancer.
tsgoodwin23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Racism eradicated.
rockidol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anti aging, not as in cosmetics I mean make me stop aging or reverse aging. Come on Crispr do your thing.
Bearzmoke ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity for immortality purposes
old_adage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:05:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Renewable cheap energy; automation of labor; universal income; end of disease and aging; and virtual reality.
Endless pursuit of knowledge and entertainment without economic or health constraints.
steeldaggerx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting a girlfriend
Haradwraith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total nuclear annihilation.
Jun19381 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autonomous/driveless car. No more monkeys driving please...
Filias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
just a affordable way to travel top other star system , i dont care how much time take the travel but at least that they found a way for a safe trip.
meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True but it doesn't work for my analogy. Regardless do you think Obama could have done the same thing as Trump or would they have revoked his bid once he said he grabbed girls by the pussy?
rorochido1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:06:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mostly overhaul in bureaucracy. Transparency, ending cronyism and nepotism.
Dhljoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Invasion of the covenant.
Seems like an achievement to me
Araluena ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fox giving back rights to X-Men damn it!
Oh, waitโฆ a serious answer?
Colonization of Mars or the Moon, at least the earliest stages of it.
Sentmoraap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full understanding of quantum mechanics.
yfitnedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A revival of old-school myspace
TheGeneralWarden ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the Berserk Manga to be finished and have an anime of the whole story that's actually good.
megaboz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always thought it would be great to see intergalactic travel become a reality. For a long time I've wanted to see the Milky Way looks like from the Large Magellanic Cloud.
MFBeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full Dive Virtual Reality. I'm sure it's pretty much every gamers dream.
LordofParrots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erradication of terrorism and end of the drug war.
PackaBowllio28 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A unified theory of physics
woahitslarry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to order weed on my phone and have it delivered by a drone. That's not too crazy right?
Empyrking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars! At least make those darn posters come true.
xeno_raptor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
finally seeing that we are not alone in the universe
RRStrike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to get rid of corruption
StopCrying1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable human habitat on mars
zsephut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:09:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curbing climate change so the planet doesn't actually become uninhabitable.
Also, I would really love to see faster-than-light travel, warp drives, etc. But I have a hard time imagining that happening in the next 100 years. Maybe if our collective energy as a civilization was devoted to science rather than dumbass moral "quagmires".
Justahumanimal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing.
2beeps_and_then_BOOM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
human regeneration
JORG07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Red Foreman jet pack
Spastical9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for cancer, before it's not too late for our loved ones...
FistofaMartyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True holistic approach for caring for the human body
JokoFloko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A growing human colony on Mars
Seangar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
bloodyseamonster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Keeping climate change below 2ยฐC
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A reduction in greed. A lot of people are saying various cures or access to water or renewable energy. The only problem is that almost all of the people capable of these would gladly put millions of lives at risk so that they can have more money they'll never use.
MzPxraiDer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colony on mars, rovers on every planet
siphonohpis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be awesome to find extra-terrestrial life within a few decades. It would be great if CRISPER-Cas9 will be used to correct and reverse many diseases in humans (I am thinking of you Tipperary555).
mintsthefox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:11:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of all trafficking, human, animal etc.
RusstyDog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want to see if we can go a day without killing eachother.
Cabooseaholic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recieving a compliment - Casuallu Explained
SaucyLettuce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I want to see the downfall of North Korea. The amount of untapped natural resources there is incredible.
DaveGrohlsShinyTeeth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
lenatno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chipotle burritos that don't make you shit yourself
99999999999999999989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Human/Machine Singularity. The crossing of the longevity event horizon. Lifespans will be measured in hundreds of millions of years. If something has a meat brain or a silicon chip, you can upload your consciousness into it. Load your mind into 100 different machines and all of them go somewhere and do something at the same time. A car, a boat, a plane, a train, a submarine, a satellite, a deep space faring craft, a nanobot, another human body, an android body, a dog, a whale, an eagle, a polar bear, a soda machine, a Matrix style construct. All at the same time.
If you took a human who was alive 100 years ago and showed them what we do today as mundane daily tasks, their eyes would pop out of their heads. In 30 years we can have that happen for us if we do not kill ourselves. Think of the most weird tech thing you can come up with and it will be within our reach in the next 1000 years.
1000 years?! I won't be alive then! Really? Well consider this: in the next 50 years do you think we will be able to extend our lives by 50 more years? So then, in those extra 50 years you are alive, we will very likely be able to extend it another 100 years. And in THOSE 100 extra years...we'll make it so the word 'lifespan' is an obsolete antique.
anonymous_rhombus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY INSURRECTIONARY LUXURY QUEER SPACE ANARCHISM
msomiagnus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolition of global Capitalism.
TheIntangibleOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telekinesis
Mintbear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to cure tinnitus
Ashes_ASV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of corruption.
TeaDrinker13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First child to be born in space.
iReadItInTheBible ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Big Bang...
Considering we end up creating it...
freddysauce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A plastic-free ocean
Kell08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual reality like in futuristic fictional settings. VR video games would be so fun.
Isaac_DC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment of a President.
Dingo9933 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure ( not treatment) for Diabetes, Allergies, Asthma, and cancer.
Death_Claw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:13:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
G
Neubeowulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some new Economic/Political system that would make Capitalism go wherever Communism, Feudalism and Pyramid Building went to.
Cause Hunter/Gathering looks better then what Capitalism has done to the World since it defeated Communism.
Swiddel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer, that's not jacked up in price to the point that only people getting loans or donations and/or overly wealthy people can receive treatment.
SteelCastr1029 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone getting access to mental health help. You can be a bodybuilder, but you can be depressed.
luckskywatcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see technology that allows us to upload our consciousness into computers so that once our bodies get too old and die, we can still continue to exist but inside a human robot.
10wuebc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:14:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thorium Energy. Its getting close but the research is limited, but i believe it can bridge the gap until we figure out fusion.
thatcrookedsmile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bangin ass prosthetics. Ever since CoD:AW I need to live in a time where losing a limb or becoming paralised is now just a trip to the robot physio for measurments, and you're all sorted.
FeistyThings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The hyperloop as a fully integrated public transportation system
Seannj222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for disease without pharmaceutical revenue interest.
Solmagnum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, then I'll see all the achivements.
PrincePryda ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding out the purpose of life. Why are we here? What is our purpose (if at all we have one)?
HeyWeaver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:15:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Desalination of ocean water into purified drinking water
Keto_Kidney_Stoner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replacing parts of our brains with electronics. I don't like the idea of being 'copied' into a computer. But I'll take implants to supplement the decaying parts of my brain.
RadicalZoey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism and discrimination in society. Everyone needs to turn "colour-blind" and realize we're all people with no advantages or disadvantages dependant of how we were born looking
Brock_Samsonite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Orbital flights for recreation up to and including Moon voyages.
Tribalsnake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel or FTL communication!
GiIgamesh- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WW3 and the end of humanity.
newce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
affordable jet packs for personal travel and radical recreation
arthurillusion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality?
MUDDHERE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace on Earth. No wars, all religions free to practice as long as they mind their own fucking business.
TheL0neReddit0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exploration of Mars by Humans
ProteusFox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for male pattern baldness
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People no longer throwing garbage on the ground.
NerfYinYang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
ActualDeest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting back to personal accountability for our own actions
tofuking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:17:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solving P=NP! That is, either showing P=NP, P!=NP, or that neither can be shown. The thing is, it's such a difficult problem that not many people are actually actively working on it.
Showing that P=NP would be a more or less a catastrophe though, people would go back to stuffing money under their mattresses!
PleiadianJedi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global Peace. Humans as a Multiplanetary Species. Independent from Fossil Fuels. High quality Virtual Reality.
Kaiceps ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully sentient artificial general intelligent computer that was carefully created to help propel mankind and help solve the worlds problems.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace. To hell with colonizing Mars, let's stop all the goddamn fighting first.
korbirt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can have a little naughty with my waifu irl
BestVintage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar space travel where we can go and come as we please
ericfoster2003 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When I click on a game in the PS4 store to get more info, I want it to go back to my place in the search so I don't have to scroll back down to where I was.
thecloudkicker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The proper, comprehensive and nonbiased education of the entire human race.
Abstar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable, universal, renewable energy
vidhr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mankind freeing themselves from bourgeoisie
BestVintage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:18:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also increasing age span to 200 years
Kallijay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nina being Blac Chyna
BarrelRider97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing
Lovreli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me achiving in life
Thedeadlypoet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
I don't want to die. .-.
profusly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discover what lies beyond the edge of the universe. Helps us get a perspective on the position of human kind and how precious earth and life is.
Leon_Thomas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A functioning, permanently-manned colony on Mars
smar82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full objective acknowledgement that The Wire is the greatest television series ever created.
Vivalo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp drive.
Cheat2Survive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of a divided Korea
csty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:19:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone cracking the JonBenet case.
TracerBulletX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
natigin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A functioning US government.
thunder_men ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars
uspeoples ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
Snoglaties ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of religion as a guiding force in culture and politics. Failing that, I hope to outlive the Big Mac.
RandomePerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cav3dw3ll3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to set foot on a mars colony.
Gjonesy3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:20:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real world peace. What if we all saw that on the news.. WORLD PEACE
Penetratorofflanks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity
Gonzoforsheriff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A seemingly small thing, but I have no faith that it will come about in my lifetime: a greater appreciation of humanities in academia/early education.
being a human has began to feel so metricized, as if everything as a simple matter of calculus devested of any content. Utilitarian ethics, capitalist eccanomics, analyitic philosophy (elmimitive materialism being me least favorite striatuon there of) behavioralist psychology, unreflective and miss-appropriated deployment of scientific theory...
Everything just feels scraped raw to me - like we've glossed over the vibrancy of being in hopes of a crude systemization. I'd just like the world to feel less leveled off, and a huge part of that process is shifting educational protocol.
UserZA36Z ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A space station with gravity, hydroponics, multiple levels and hundred plus personnel. What to see a spaceship manufacturer in space.
Fearless_Oliver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality + infinite youth
we waste our whole life working just to die after a few years once we dont have work anymore
tt_rashtt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An efficient and non-corrupt criminal justice system.
Hyperbrain10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:21:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of another planet
Muricaaaaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-life 3
existential_antelope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Oh please god telomerized immortality
CampCook3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a man on the moon. Or woman.
SnowLucario ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see single-payer health care in the United States, and there not be a huge red wave in the following election.
nojuan87 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Israel giving the people of Palestine their land and sovereignty back
HeavyPsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Safe and highly regulated Genomic Tech like CRISPR
StuartGavinSF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully functional rotating torus space station that provides artificial gravity. With a moon base and mining the asteroid belt.
GimmeSomeLiquid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel
workburner13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:22:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True artificial intelligence.
panerabreadboi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see only clean energy being used nothing else
Tortoiseops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world without greed. Hell, who am I kidding that's not happening any time soon.
pj84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A permanent colony on the Moon (or even Mars). In fact just to see someone set foot on Mars would be spectacular, always been annoyed I wasn't alive for the moon landing. Unfortunately it always seems to get pushed back, nobody wants to explore.
marvbrown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A nuclear powered satellite based replacement for the earth's waning geomagnetic shield. They want to make one for Mars to help colonize there, but Earth's shield has been declining for some time. Once it is gone, hello cosmic radiation and potentially stripping of the Earth's atmosphere from solar wind.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An all dark meat chicken.
mathbinder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone solving a Rubik's 3x3 in under 3s
SaintToni98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transfer your conscience (more like a... image maybe) to a video game. Something sort of like TRON... except for the part that you can die.
onlineworms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Access to teleportation technology, so that distance relationship will no longer be a pain in the ass.
pabbseven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A.I and neurological VR.
goonts_tv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:23:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people understanding how the passing lane works on a highway
GrantSRobertson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The universal realization that simply giving a shit about each other actually works out better for everyone.
BestGarbagePerson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more infant circumcision.
Swaggurttt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People not being cunts.
crazy4schwinn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots. Indistinguishable from human AI. Flawless human imitation.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full on, completely immersed video gaming. I'm talking like Star Trek Holodeck level immersion.
xMashu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some kind of better transportation system. Cars are good, but they run on oil, which will eventually run out. This presents many problems, how are people going to get to work? How are stores going to get shipments? I would like to see some instant-futuristic teleportation system, but that of course seems a very long way off. The best we can do for now is find a substitute for oil in automobiles, which we are already doing well on.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for aging.
lavascience ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to corruption. That shit ruins people and countries.
alumbloom2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Neurosurgery to cure depression. X
Gandalphf- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The legit end of communism.
Belatorius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prosperity. Be cool if my generation could afford a home.
Belatorius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prosperity. Be cool if my generation could afford a home.
maksmaisak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Then I'll get to see every other acheivement too.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shadow Government dismantled, Civil Rights restored to "pre-9/11" levels.
fachomuchacho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of gang violence and cartel violence in Latin America. I've lost so many friends to violence.
dysnomia1189 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for death has to be the winner
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:26:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What if death is the cure for life though?
pesadel0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Intelligence.
Singrsling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:25:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HUMAN and animal population control, hands down! The earth cannot sustain many more people, and dogs and cats need to Be sterilized. Too many homeless, mistreated and unwanted innocent animals out there! And prohibit dog and cat breeding except for service animals!!!
Also, I think that women who have over 3 children and aren't married should be sterilized.
And people like the Dugans are a horrible example to humanity. I don't give a damn if they can afford them or not. It's not right.
KyStanto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We gatta get to mars at least! @Elon
lkenator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars
Brutal007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The proper use of a blinker.
rubberseatbelt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate change acceptance and action on it.
blastingknightt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
Jackason13524 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to upload consciousness. For all I know it may not even be possible, but I like to imagine the possibility of living forever.
seamonkey89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:26:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to manually change the direction my phone thinks it's facing when using maps on my phone. Seriously. Let me change the direction of that arrow. It's always wrong. I want to tell it which way I'm facing in my car.
CipherTheZero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gundams.
Magllama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man-made afterlife. I want to know that the experiences I've made don't just don't disappear.
Dominocarsm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism
gameplayuh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Telekinesis.
SirDeeznuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:27:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, at least an extension of a couple centuries.
shuffpuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A person activating their mercaba
itspivaa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sending people to Mars
MrWindow4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Growing organs for transplant
gsharp331 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A colony on mars
Smash-a-piggy-bank ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The invention of batteries that can store energy long term without energy loss, the only thing keeping fossil fuels around is the fact that its easy to store large amounts of it, as soon as that problems fixed we can stop polluting the earth
Kurtch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real, immersive virtual reality
Philosinerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see all jobs automated to the point that the only humans that need to work are a select few elite computer programmers and robotic engineers to make sure everything is running smoothly.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistic space tourism.
Maybe with all of the privatization of space missions, maybe someday we can do a few orbits for under 100,000$.
Lil_tink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of mass incarceration and the War on Drugs as a tool to oppress groups and individuals.
PM_ME_NEAT_PICTURES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercially available and practical space flight/moon tours.
Robotmassacre538 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Checkmate
Xlvm3x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for herpes!
cyrilamethyst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to speak to an AI that passes the Turing test and not know they were an AI until afterwards.
I don't care if it's even a purely text conversation. I'd just love to know artificial intelligence can reach that point.
ChummyCho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:29:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel. If it's possible at all....
seanbali ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump... yeah, that would be awesome.
Canadian_Beacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Organic life from inorganic matter in a lab. Not to prove the origin of life but because it would be cool. Also proper AI.
VerdantBuckle34 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The quality of life extending until humans can consistently live up to/past 100.
Taxouck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for aging. Immortal life. Even/especially if that means in a robot body.
Not that I see it happening, just... One can dream.
madboater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace and an end to suffering.
zjunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:30:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully weaponized autists
logicalthinker1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sigularity
LBFilmFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biodegradable cigarette butts.
captbradders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Snapchat filters.
Father33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete commitment by all governments on Earth to sustainability.
mk2gamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cannabis legalisation
Oscuraga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People on the Internet realizing what they linked was wrong/fake, apologizing, and the rest of the Internet accepting their apologies and moving on. No flame war in the process.
doriobias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colonisation
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immunotherapy fully working
DeadBloxxEpic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
yepmek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully electric cars everywhere.
xBadMrFrosty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel and not just on a corporate level... like on the level humanity has finally come together for one goal.
krzy18whlr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good WiFi worldwide
cokeiscool ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:32:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity
I want to be a robot!
bababooey1028 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the elimination of all organized religion
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quantum computing
jziggy44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Allowing the use of all words without people taking offense
bubbagump101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flight
Beeblebroxia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Compete social disapproval of prejudices based on one's natural circumstances at birth. I pick this because it isn't an issue of funding or technological advancement. Just people choosing not to be shitty to other people for meaningless reasons. Which makes it less likely.
CruzAderjc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:33:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with alien life. It holds the key to SO MANY other questions.
HDwalrus123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer, and stopping the climate change crisis.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing what you want to order by the time you get to the fast food counter.
MisledMuffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Then I can see all the achievements to follow!
bobhert1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Effective male birth control.
dragonwhale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
emma watson releasing a pov bj
maailmanpaskinnalle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:34:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well... stopping aging.
Dunsmuir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human mission to Mars. It's gotta happen.
ezwip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
neuromancer72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to the "War On Drugs" - legalize and regulate. Put an end to the black markets and the associated crime. Release all non-violent drug offenders. Put the $ we save from lowered incarceration rates towards treatment for addiction and the development of better, non-addictive pain treatments. Fully research and develop new meds and treatments from currently scheduled substances like Marijuana, psilocybin and MDMA.
BiomedBrainiac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No offense, reddit, but there are some really vague answers, and generally low aspirations, for humanity here. Some really likely stuff will be:
Cures for AIDS and herpes
Reliable quantum computers
Fusions reactors
Decentralized currency
Shooting a bit higher would be things like landing on Mars, or a space elevator.
Mlarpy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:35:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation, Absolute Zero, Human Cloning, And electromagnetic super suits.
thisplacesucks- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
NoMaDeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tangible and dramatic measures to protect Nature and THE Planet.
TheOnlyRealOnion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That all drugs are being legalized in my country.
TheSanityInspector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to move apps from the phone to the SD card.
The_Timeless_Man ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me actually getting a date on tinder would be magnificent
TheIronCaterpillar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tinitus cure. Can't wait for these fuckers to leave my ears. I'm only 19 years old, I hope I can go through life without a tiny orchestra in my ears.
FrostBluescale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful colonization of another planet.
mikejdoc17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see us put a man on the moon but I honestly can't see it happening
AnonCaptain002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
alien contact
emgryibduncy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An underwater city... ... in the North-Atlantic Ocean ... and it has to be called Rapture...
BreakingNewsIMHO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
best_damn_milkshake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI
Smoddo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
TheSanityInspector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap, non-polluting and easy brine desalination.
continuous-hungry ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally be inside whatever simulation I want . For humanity I'd say wield prothean technology (from mass effect) to travel anywhere in the milkyway galaxy and beyond .
Devilray114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unrealistically, time travel, realistically inhabiting another planet.
6offender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advanced Brain-Computer Interfaces or, better yet, Mind Upload.
poochypie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation, space colonization, and/or contact with aliens. Robots. Getting the internet in your brain. I want the future to punch me in the face with awesome.
doobieschnauzer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:37:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Odorless weed. A gentleman's weed that's super duper potent, but has no smell before or after it's combusted. I think (without any background in anything plant related) that it oughta be possible. If growers can selectively breed for certain smells, they can breed for no smell too, right??? Get on it, you bunch of doobie brothers!
0Etcetera0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unlocking the secrets to immortality
KING-Doctah-YUJIRO- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. I know I'm gonna die way way way into the future, but I want to live forever.
positron3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:38:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeaching Trump
T_H_I_C_C_Kanna_chan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal human rights
Angel_Hunter_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, then I can see the rest of them
stephendarussian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life.
zontYang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Portable flying methods of transportation
shadowcatamount ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for all cancers.
KamiIsHate0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apocalipse
RickC138 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cryptocurrencies cannibalizing the world's financial engines
smokeout3000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator
Saad-Ali ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
gimmeacoffeebreak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A vegan/plant-based world. It most likely won't ever happen, but one can dream. Human greed will be the death of us all.
rachelkagan47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
at least 75% of the earth running on clean energy
Turtle_Dipped_Han ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR where you can actually be in the game moving around as if you would in real life, and be able to feel, hear, smell, and see anything there
Swedish-Butt-Whistle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:40:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ridding the environment of plastic waste.
Terra_throwaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
an admission to the war on entropy
zalso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Or the ability to revive a frozen solid human so I can wait until immortality
Phyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 or more International Space Stations , wouldn't that be fabulous.. more experiments, more astronauts, more understanding of sciences in micro gravity... finally exploring more formiable options to try for longer space travel..
GiddenJolee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income
WorldofWaldo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion. Unless things go very very wrong then everything will suddenly become much cheaper. Global warming will likely end because we'd be able to just straight up suck co2 out of the atmosphere and turn it back into gasoline. World hunger will end which will allow countries in Africa, the middle East, and Central Asia to begin educating all of their citizens, since they won't need to focus on farming as much and transport costs will drop to near nothing almost overnight. And the ultra low cost of energy will allow us to run more powerful computers and do more experiments with pretty much everything.
A human will be able to live their entire lives powered by just a few tons of sea water. And that's only if we can't use just plain old hydrogen as fusion fuel
pirates666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans going to Mars and finding other intelligent life
Waltonruler5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:41:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really interpreted this question differently than everyone else. I was thinking physical feats, like a 2-hour marathon or lifting so much weight or whatever. Curing diseases are cool but there's no novel answers in this thread, it's mostly a circle jerk about what things we think (and apparently all agree) would be good for society.
burgerbun__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A boy born who can swim faster than a shark.
CosmosFoxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The human achievement of me finally asking out someone before I die...
Turmeric021 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
colonization of mars
heraclitus33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jet packs
mori226 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel.
GlowyStuffs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
North Korea and South Korea reunited under South Korean rule, sans dictatorships and the like. Stop making it a nuke threat zone every year.
thegreengumball ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
grobeez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a election that talks about issues and solutions... not appealing to emotion
Ryanmacsport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable nuclear fusion
SuperDope54 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:42:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
Anangrywookiee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the truth about what's going on in Tommy Wissaues head.
Smallz1014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not being an edge lord or anything I'm completely serious I wish I could see the end of the world in my lifetime. And its not a definite no xD I think it would be a crazy terrifing experience and I want to experience it.
puremick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer. My mom suffered from my different forms and finally died of colon cancer. Her pain and suffering will haunt me forever.
i-make-robots ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My robots, on the moon, 3D printing buildings out of dust and sunlight. ...or more accurately, me IN my moonbase 3D printed by my robots. Elon, just put me on the moon and I'll do the rest. A gas station, maybe a hotel/casino. Let's make it work.
Nefarious_rapture ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to read the minds of cats.
bubbav22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
KILLIONARE!
BritalPrime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Molecular levitation threw mineral magnetism
Theanswerwasnever42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People living on Mars.
dramaforalama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to capitalism.
BrotherPtolemaios ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mobile suits. And by extent, large scale space vessels.
I do think its completely unrealistic to get something the size and mass of a battleship/heavy cruiser to be airborne, but space faring is not to unbelievable.
But i mean
Mechas.
Jruzzin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive virtual reality. Think Spy Kids 3.
_Callen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
properly colonizing Mars
tinygirlbigheart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A drastic reduction in child abuse of any form and the end to commercialized child pornography. Just end it already.
orntorias ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for diabetes, it's a seriously shit condition to live with.
BAXterBEDford ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human being on Mars. I'm 54 and I've been told my entire adult life that it will happen in the next 10-20 years, yet it never seems to get any closer.
KING-Doctah-YUJIRO- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The HunterXHunter manga series being finished without going on hiatus. Yoshiro togashi come on man back pain wouldn't last this long, with the money you have, help for your back would be easy.
Guywiththepants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I personally can't wait to see full integration of self-driving vehicles. Here's the end game for me:
The only vehicles are autonomous. Traditional cars still exist in personal collections and are driven on closed tracks, but the only vehicles on the road are fully automated. They're all connected to the same network. When you need a ride, you pull out your phone (or equivalent future device), enter your destination, and the software calculates the most efficient way to get you from point A to point B. If you're in a city, this might be an automated bus. If you're in the country, this might be a small car. All of the vehicles travel at a much higher speed (100+ mph? I'm not an expert, but significantly faster than traditional speed limits) because they're in constant communication. Once you arrive at your destination, the vehicle moves on to pick up a new passenger. There are no more traffic jams or accidents. Cars don't slam on brakes or change lanes without signaling. Every move that every vehicle makes, everywhere, has been calculated and shared across the network. Parking lots no longer exist. We free up a significant amount of space, eliminate accidents, and transportation becomes ultra-efficient.
Will I live to see this? I'm not sure... but we are taking steps towards this, and I am very excited. At the very least, I am confident that I will get to see the day that self-driving personal vehicles outnumber traditional vehicles. I am so ready!
Edit: When a vehicle needs repairs, it is temporarily taken off the road. This is not a big deal because it doesn't personally belong to anyone. The network adjusts for the missing vehicles and calculates routes without them. When a road needs to be closed or repaired, all cars can be routed around efficiently. Detours are not an issue. Traditional traffic lights exist solely as points for pedestrians to cross. The buttons at crosswalks will actually have to communicate with the network, and people cannot jaywalk or bad things will happen.
abinav99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No data cap
majorityJLev ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
robots are getting alot smarter because they communicate with eachother through the internet, unfiltered by language barriers, dictionary limitations or any other miscommunication errors, if we are to compete and achieve everything else on this thread, we need to realize billions of heads are better than one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93brain_interface
sanim120 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A reddit account that will not bands
yob-tvoyu-mat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:45 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reported.
Danjcb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense as a species... I won't hold my breath...
Agent_Potato56 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel. Hopefully FTL, like through a wormhole or something.
(Either one of those probs won't happen in my lifetime, and concerning FTL travel, it might not happen at all.)
MrTechSavvy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
toolazytomake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most of the top comments (including joke ones that definitely aren't jokes b/c serious tag) are surprisingly pedestrian. Steps on the ladder we are already on, but not qualitatively different.
I want to see brains being mapped to the point that they can be replicated or uploaded and backed up. Then Alzheimer's (and cancer, HIV, etc.), sustainability (to the point that we use resources mainly for bodies), energy questions (again, mostly used for bodies) are moot.
Deathlysouls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World piece or the assimilation into a hive mind...either one works
eatfreak123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of cancers
Vocatrash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A pill that makes sleeping uneeded
SebastianM2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Berzerk manga ending
cosmicjunkbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable fusion power.
Fyrhp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
Metaweed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Zbala ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total world peace,even if it was very brief
QuickenZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see end of all wars, political and religious.
FlametopFred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Restoration of lower middle class, middle class and upper middle class
Restoration of democracy and The West
Break up of Russia
Olafmeister_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe it wasn't said yet, but people landing on planets in our solar system such as Mars or saturn, even if it's impossible now.
TwistedBlister ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans walking on Mars.
100% use of renewable energy world-wide.
Cancer cured.
Free healthcare for everyone.
Free education, including University level, for everyone.
I'm in my mid 50's, and these are all things that I feel could be achieved in my lifetime, if that's what the powers that be want them to happen.
Dolfan0925 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's all? :)
BabyJezus777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i want to see some aliens already dammit
Hunterraab ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creation of artificial life out of raw material. To create life out of a material that is not alive, would mean we have greater understanding of how the universe works and could lead to only greater things.
Daniel_A_Johnson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A drastic improvement in battery power and efficiency.
It's hard to overstate how many other project would cascade from that one.
velvykat5731 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full animal rights, worldwide. If I were to dream, that people and animals were the priority of governments and not 'tools' to get richer. Just... happier lives :), less suffering.
ThoseAreBoiledEggs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full socialism
SLOson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An inoculation for cancer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reversing aging so I'll be able to see them all!!
midnight3896 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully militarized intergalactic space fleet
Denaros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
IreineTheGood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
High-five with an alien, relistic enough?
ItClownsCreepyUncle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars
Sharkey_B ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to not have sharks go extinct in the next 20 years.
cekelley1959 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:48:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I see a lot of comments for worthy causes like cures for diseases, clean water, environment etc.. my selfish first thought was some kind of simulation thing like that episode of Rick and Morty where Rick and Jerry are on that alien ship.. I sure would like to play some oddball simulated games!
a_cowsezmoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub 2 hour marathon. Right now the fastest its ever been run in a real race is 2:02:57. To break 2 hours it needs to be run about 6 seconds per mile faster, which is a lot, but I think it could happen in the next fifty years.
vougester ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't believe no one's said it: (voluntary) brain-to-brain communication
Other_accountant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
kasimyth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This thread is full of clean energy, space or ocean floor achievements..
I'd settle for a virtual reality capsule that plugs into an MMO server run by military AI's and lose my conciousness into the came, becoming immortal. I'd settle for the American part of the game, but losing myself in the Russian server wouldn't be bad either.
supra2jzgte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel, cure for all cancers, and free or next to free quality health care for all.
petitehirondelle1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a single war. Peace everywhere
mentnomore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free beer for everyone
Kmalone77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Detroit Lions winning the superbowl
jeffreky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans landing on Mars
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sustainable economy that does not necessitate raping the planet of every natural resource, provides for everyone, and the ability for people as a whole to think long term (into the next century). I think those two things go together.
BiffyMcGillicutty1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace, ending hunger worldwide, NBD
SunChipMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:49:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Type 1 Diabetes cure.
traced_169 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Paradox announcing and releasing Victoria 3.
sixseven89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars.
glugunner77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Evidence and signs that the next generations are making the world more reliant on being green. If not that, then the knowledge that I lived a good life and my kid(s) turned out alright.
99SuperFan99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like us to come to a point where we aren't harming the Earth or factory farming.
Kinda feelin like a contestant on Miss America right now.
joeyclem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
consciousness uploads
kieppie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion.
CRISPR editing as accepted as IVF. Succession to Democratic Capitalism.
Surviving WW3.
Dawn of general-intelligence AI, and how we'd be augmented or otherwise merge with our evolutionary successor.
End of religion.
caprad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America's tricentennial. It's not a given, and it'd be fun to celebrate!
anonfjr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:50:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone just getting along regardless of religion, gender or any other shit.
ScryMeARiver64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone going vegan
tirasangue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making an AI at least close to human intelligence and it not backlashing in some way.
dantsly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An automated, and efficient, means to early cancer detection.
wallyworldbeeyatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to Mars. Cure for cancer.
Driss-Lee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the rise of AI
Rotary20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Befriending an alien species...
aroscoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more coal burning or oil/gas usage. All electric cars and solar and wind power, etc.
arjun_arora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone having fast and unlimited internet access. Basically on all of the earth free internet.
SeattleDeplorable ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of alienkind by humankind
wecook123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least 50% of the ocean discovered and what it hides in the deep, deep abyss.
sdguero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people on mars
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Justice for the poor instead of against us.
I-lack-conviction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of Central America, South American and Canada joining America
roborabbit_mama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars, but more so, like widely in use by the general population.
tempestuousfork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear disarmament.
Buckphoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're wishing, not making realistic goals, it would be to get money out of politics. The average American would have a chance in their own political system again.
grasshoppa80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
human-kind meets/finds aliens. Like "Mars Attacks" minus all the zapping.
ROBBADOPOLIS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ai with emotion. If we go extinct, it might be the most dignified way Might be unethical though
Slywashere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to fix cavities and other dental issues without the drill.
lodi777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, so I can see every other human achievement.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human intercontinental teleportation or the Leafs winning the Stanley Cup.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:53:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Waifuism/2D-love becoming the norm, or at least 2D-lovers being able to separate ourselves from the 3D-lovers who hate us.
TheCilician ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sending a satellite to Alpha Centauri
frl987 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
IpsumProlixus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Room temperature superconductivity
RobertUSAnation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Work past our individual, political, religious and national self interests to make sure every child is well fed, nourished and educated until they contribute back to the world.
penguin_toot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
unlikely but - no more rape
mve1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they could put up those tubes and travel from place to play in a. Tube rocket that travels twice as fast as an airplane. I'd love to see that.
TaviTurtlebear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just wanted to take a second and say thanks op for thinking of this question.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Waterproof toasters would be nice. Bathtime isn't bathtime without toast.
Greyfeld ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck all these "good for humanity" posts.
I want my god damn Holodeck.
pdrocker1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:54:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The overthrow of capitalism
daJamestein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact aliens.
brifino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A liberated North Korea
enjoymyfinger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alzheimers cure
mirrrac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, so that we can choose when, where, and how to die when we get tired of living. I always felt there're too many things that I wanted to do in just too little time.
dontevenknow93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a medicine that can improve IQ in intellectually disabled people so that they can learn, work, support themselves, and live fulfilling lives.
I know it's unrealistic, but that would be so fucking awesome for our species to know we can lift up people in those situations.
Chromatic76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
SwankyTiger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
extension of the human life span. That way we can see more achievements.
Yaboiiiiiiiiiiiiii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life on mars
watrenu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% eradication of homelessness and hunger
tyrrannothesaurusrex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Broad adoption of cryptocurrencies, fusion power, nuclear weapon deproliferation, natural environment rehabilitation.
Oh, and universal access to gigabit internet.
Runaway_5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half the US learning to fucking read so we don't hire a racist businessman cheetoh again
NewNewLabour ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's not a racist tbf
Runaway_5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably too stupid to be racist
nikster2112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism.
SmokeyDays ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Same sex marriage legitimized everywhere. This shit is getting ridiculous.
TyFaWi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would want to see political tyranny in the United States regardless of personal opinion. Remove all persons of power and start over again with the people in charge. We've gone to far off of the original constitution and lost true freedom.
OsSo_Lobox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting me laid
_Asthenos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:56:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of Mars & the ability to store my brain in a computer (the data, not the ACTUAL brain)
tunajr23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap artificial organs for transplants
EvilBanjo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see man walk on the moon. That would be wicked.
abbib123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see bigger vehicles being energy efficient. It's disgusting seeing the black smoke that comes out of 16 wheelers, busses, garbage trucks, etc.
nopassarant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To make traveling around the world accessible to anyone. So they can see that people are the same everywhere. That would decrease prejudices and fear of the unknown.
Unit88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Encountering aliens. Preferably peaceful ones.
Keyzo_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:57:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I can't wait for car industry to become like tesla. Huge power, zero nosie, less polution, minimalism I want better batteries for longer distances and ultra fast charging
ichmochtensterben ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
ootwod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mechs as big as those in Pacific Rim...one can only dream...
unit_101010 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion as a clean and cheap power source.
GURD1AN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality to make my lifetime limitless, therefore to see humanity achieve all of the above^
shinypants108 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:58:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars
BackPainsLOL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm too late but the full-dive system in SAO would be cool. Could you imagine gaming like that. Almost like experiencing a game as if it was a lucid dream.
KingTalis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The technology to maintain the production of healthy new cells in the human body. Essentially immortality.
umangishere ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
India winning the football world cup
Cjayin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:59:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for depression and anxiety/ every mental illness. Think of all we could do with everyone being a functional part of society
PanzerKpfwVI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity.
Fagbitch90 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:00:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 73 and I want to see some mars in action
xnyr21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:00:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someday Axl Rose will finally release Chinese Democracy.
K-Amadoor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inventing a way to transfer your mind/conscious to the internet or cyborgs
Invisobel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap way to drastically slow/reverse aging in everybody.
This will help me see the rest of the stuff people have mentioned. :D
Fyrewound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A weapon to surpass Metal Gear!
Those_Good_Vibes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one has said the Singularity yet? Really?
Shit that's the only one that matters to me. Load me up into the interwebs.
GMACD1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer & dementia Mom died from the first and dad from the latter.
CookieFactory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a human simultaneously chew gum, rub belly, pat head, and beat a horse in a marathon running backwards.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nucleure fusion. I genuinely believe that if we can figure that out, a large portion of the world's problems will disappear.
Alonewarrior ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:01:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated, self-driving cars. I was in an accident a week ago because the person behind me didn't brake soon enough and rear ended/totalled my car. Self-driving cars will ensure that this doesn't happen.
ReddishCat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% unemployment
Acerolled ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone fitting the key attached to the shopping trollers into the little slot so they can save ยฃ1.
Wvnderlust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see every person in this thread have their wishes fulfilled.
TheNosferatu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3d printed cars.
FINALLY I'd be able to finish the phrase "You wouldn't download a car?" not just with "I would if I could" but with "Yes, I would and yes, I did"
Sanityskeptic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The apocalypse.
Bossdwarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removing the requirement for politics and money. Allowing the human race to ignore the need to become farmers, factory workers, retail workers would mean that we would flourish exponentially and be happier overall. People could actually enjoy their hobbies and enhance themselves so much more.
But sadly lots of the rich and politicians have to keep their power trip...
donstellato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer fuck cancer
garliclover2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life.
RobertThorn2022 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world government. Because if you think through most of today's problems the answer is always global.
AlbertFrankeinstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Maple Leafs winning a Stanley Cup.
Tom__The_Bomb_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Spider-Man franchise to remain good after 2 movies
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genetic modification of human embryos
DankPing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. So many lives man
Unknownchill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, then I can witness every human achievement ever
Jonny_Is_Amazing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:10:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to pick and choose what animal sensing abilities we want to augment our own.
jackygflow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for all forms of cancer, intergalactic space travel, and the abolition of racism, sexism, prejudice, homophobia, islamophobia, and any other superficial physical characteristic that is used to wrongly judge others. Also a solution to climate change.
jplevene ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, then I will get to see everything
hauntedobject ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:11:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fully insurrectionary queer space anarchism
baallday36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:12:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mass extinction of our virus of a species
migrant_meter_maid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:13:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for death
Faar2much ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The 100m world record being broken. I was already lucky to see the 400m world record being broken. Of course, nothing at all against Bolt or Johnson. I just want to see something faster.
papa-goat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace โ
TidyFox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:14:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Consciousness upload to continue life past the body's death.
Ophidian93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery and subsequent enslavement of an alien species.
from_ether_side ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of religion.
Misser5902 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Absolutely no factory farming...
lickmyincredibleanus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WWIII
kyeloon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Star Citizen being released.
hazmatt24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:15:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitive proof Christianity is mythology and not real. Then the energy harnessed from all the heads exploding could sustain the living for centuries.
sortedWanker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blowjob robots....thx1138
Liminalitys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full dive VR
SubParNoir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I guess I'm not really fussed but erm... maybe universal immortality?
Jrodvon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:16:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something that increases human life-span 10 fold
ltbadpuppy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Started New Game +
RamblerWulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:17:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The transfer of conciousness from man to machine
JonSnowInTheTardis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
International coconutting day
havoksmr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Cure All medicine
WardenJack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
wescotte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solve more of the Millennial Prize Problems. Most interested in P vs NP.
Calculus08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The unification of the 4 fundamental forces.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mother 3 for the West
SquidCap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:18:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humanity to be #1 among humans. At the moment money takes that spot. After money, comes the self. I want to see humanity in top spot, individuals in second and money.. who the fuck cares about money if we have the first two already? You can keep all of it, don't care as long as our priorities are in correct order..
RectangularCake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reversal of human ageing
k4Anarky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic will be the Great Equalizer. And maybe sex dolls.
orthag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global socialism.
krampusatemykitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:19:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure to aging and (cliche as it sounds) cancer. CRISPR is making this very likely occurrence.
explicitwhoviankr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Except a cure to aging would cause massive overpopulation.
krampusatemykitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's less likely than you think.
j_pike ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ubiquitous critical thinking.
banjoesq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To unlock the secrets of why we age, and to reverse the process.
Rixor14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:20:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel.
atvar8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for death. Creation of some sort of immortality. I don't want to die until I'm ready. There's too much to learn, too much to do. A world of wonder. A universe of things to learn.
AAAlchemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Different cotton candy-flavoured fruits. Cotton candy grapes still blow my mind
ShoeLace1291 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieving near-speed-of-light space travel.
xi624leinad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for paralysis. It bothers me how easy it is to become paralyzed...
NealonLedbetter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of war. It's sloppy, and inefficient.
cat_dev_null ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Apart from the medical obviouslies..
Ending poverty and homelessness without plague/war.
kelso139 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure to cancer. I'm tried of that nonsense.
MartianPortal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A base on mars.
jokrsmagictrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:21:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
May be personal but a cure for herpes.
lizbuchannan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Presidential impeachment
ACE_C0ND0R ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully instituted driverless cars.
xjames55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the singularity
krk12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned Mars landing.
Grown/printed replacement body parts from extracted cells.
Cures for AIDS, Cancer, Alzheimers, and many other diseases.
EdmontonEuler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Room temperature superconductivity.
This is an extremely active field of research in both theoretical and experimental physics, and apart from the thrill of watching such an important physics problem being solved, being able to produce materials that remain superconducting at room temperatures would completely revolutionize electronics. Everything from battery life, to quantum computing would benefit from this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:22:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Im watching tv and all of a sudden my show is interrupted with the news, im a bit annoyed but keep watching. "Ladies and Gentlemen, we have set foot on mars.
Would fill me with joy instantly.
Beastleh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The entire American government wiped out and replaced with people who care about the human race more than money.
krampusatemykitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The destruction of centralized and monopolized energy. We'll still need the grid cuz that's just a good idea but every house with a solar roof and windows maybe even spread a thins gossamer solar net over your lawn. Power gets shared across what's left of the grid or pooled in community batteries.
wallsyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
teleportation/dissaparation whatever you wanna call it. fuck driving.
nickibenz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jurassic Park !!!
Cornelius_Poindexter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a simple man but I'd like to see me some peace.
anew39 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
world peace
Xacebop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna be a damn cyborg before I die. Then become an interplanetary bounty hunter with a dog sidekick
ViperBoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk if this counts..
But IF there is some other species or number of species buzzing around observing us from space/other dimension or where ever....IF that's a thing...
I want full, undeniable public first contact for the world to see.
Our entire way of life will be changed that day in profound ways. Redefining our egotistical and arguably arrogant beliefs.
This is the only thing I can think of other than a near extinction level event that could pull us out of the shit pile we have created for ourselves.
It's a big IF though....
xiodinex ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living on another planet!
municy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accessible education for all
Genesis1522 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
33a5t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexbot
imicca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. No religions. Realistic world. We believe in what we see. I think if you look back, religion probably caused majority of human death over Earth
sophisticatednewborn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of cancer.
Or, at the very least and likely very achievable, faster genomic testing and improved screening measures that will lead to better treatment outcomes. We got a call about the origin site of my dad's cancer as we stood outside the funeral home for his wake. It may have always been too late for him, but earlier detection might have saved him.
Also, mandatory insurance coverage for these services. Insurance didn't cover the testing, so we had to go through a research center, which resulted in longer turn-around time.
zephyer19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:24:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
seeing my country (USA) not send the military somewhere to kill people for a few years would be nice.
beekr427 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck all that..
Jetpacks.
ithowlsfrombelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace. Someday.
RedditIsAwesome33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Womb.
sammyslittlewings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want someone to bring aliens to Earth
gimrah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power at competitive economics with hydrocarbons.
NSA_Thug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why hasn't anyone said immortality yet???
Tom_Zarek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:25:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sentient Computers
FastByte22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Video game where you can be he character and go into the world. While VR is close, I mean really REALLY go into the world and be the character. Would be so cool.
golokoyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An insanely powerful microscope. A trillion times more powerful then we have now.
snoweel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars and a moonbase would be amazing to see. More useful perhaps would be a cure for malaria and other deadly infectious diseases.
12Jawn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A boy that can swim faster than a shark
tokyolite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Widespread, sustainable, vertical farming.
AtiumMisting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Superintelligent AI.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A truly free market to emerge.
steev506 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:26:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The understanding of consciousness.
CaesarSultanShah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars Commercialized Brain Computer Interface Commercialized quantum computing Lunar base Geoengineering Everyday general AI Longevity treatments
beeboobopbeeboobop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That machine in the first Spy Kid movie where you put a packet in and it turns it into a piping hot Big Mac combo
DenormalHuman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
desktop holographics
MysticMonkeyShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
reducing pollution and using mainly recycled and/or bio degradeable materials instead of plastic and other materials that are harmful in nature. Stop using fossile energy and reduce our output of co2 and other gases that impact climate. control the popularion growth rate to reach a stabile, sustainable level.
if not... then colonize another planet and flee this sinking ship fast as fuck.
next1759 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First person on another planet. Even though i at quite young this might not be as obtainable as a lot for people think.
Matasa89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:27:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistic: space colonies.
Fantasy: Mechs.
TomSaidNo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The revival of my sex life
sonicandfffan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
DVDA
CypherWolf21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, of course.
TacticalDoge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The destruction of ignorance.
aclav1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind switching to another form of measuring merit other than "money"
chasejr753 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Income when robots and AI take most of the jobs.
ZephixVI ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:28:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like for us to find alien life in some way. We don't have to make contact or meet them, but just knowing they're out there would be incredible.
zr1trader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mainstreamed independent flying vehicles for the masses.
Arviat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jurassic Park. I want to go to Jurassic Park.
nuclearpunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm really looking forward to big advancements in the voice features on phones. Siri, Google assistant, etc.
ilovemyhurt1220 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More love for people instead of materialistic things
nikkey2x2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Strong AI.
Cyber_Connor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
piddy565 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:29:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see religious conflicts be resolved and people come together across various faiths out of common humanity and decency. I also would wish to see secular governance and true separation of church and state globally. I think this would speed up the rate of human advancement astronomically.
mindlessASSHOLE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalize Marijuana.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nobody kill anybody
gnarlin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for ageing.
dao2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Living through Trump's presidency. I'm not old or dying or anything but I feel like humanity going extinct during his tenure is a possibility so that's my goal for now :P
Shadycatz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TFW someone writes the exact same question as you but gets thousands more upvotes and comments
Dogpicsordie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like a microwave but make hot stuff cold
DemMemes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not getting destroyed by rebellious AI
chuckstock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:30:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Minature clones of wild animals. So I can have a bunch of awesome exotic tiny pets
GalaxyRanger_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Magnets.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Portals
nicsmydad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3 girls 1 cup
blueskin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans/robots on Mars
Uploaded minds
Strong AI
Separation of church and state / overall decline of religion
Reduction of overpopulation
king-guy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A moon base or a city in space. I feel like it could be done in the next 60 - 70 years
Whimsical_Hobo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal healthcare in the United States would be alright
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communicating with aliens in another universe.
ApolloElectralux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp speed or the real world equivalent.
cryptthantoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man battles aliens with rock and roll
PaddyLandau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eliminating all politicians throughout the world and replacing them with humans. I know that it will never happen, though.
Omegaprimus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find alien life, then do it with said alien life. People be like, "homeboy grew up in this town, and was the first to have sex with an alien".
Alex_J_I_am ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on mars and/or colonizing our moon.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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jefecaminador1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hookers my friend.
PetasusOfHermes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:32:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding alien species.
flare2000x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human Mars landing.
AnnaEd64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR in full effect! Imagine a vaccine for all cancers, being practically immortal, eradication of all kinds of horrible modern day diseases (whether it be inherited or not).... it would really be something to see!
RouxBru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Respect
oblio76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The unification of Quantum Mechanics and Relativity.
sayaman22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity would be awesome. I need my Matrix!
Wantsomepeniscake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of greedy capitalism.
drsnicest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:33:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Knicks win an NBA Championship!
jefecaminador1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude at least pick something realistic.
Dried_up_jizz_flakes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some higher quality memes
ideaash1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding ET. Even if it as Bacteria.
illuminuti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Been 45 years since 12 men walked on the moon.
Why not go back, before all this talk about Mars?
shitlord_god ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Farsydi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Then I'd be able to see every other achievement.
kuujjuarapik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to the notion that a free market is the cure for everything.
latenightnerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replicators.
A_Blue_Bear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:34:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of internal combustion engines..
kkhos16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
faisstguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana being legalized.
SconesAndEvil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity, when Artificial Intelligence truly becomes smarter than us for better or worse.
Larry5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Gloopyglorp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
royf123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:35:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial meat that tastes like the real thing, so we would stop killing animals.
dude_fortune ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3...
relljr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overall acceptance of different cultures and people from different backgrounds. The dismantlement of things that work to separate us like the ideas of race and to a harder extent to do, borders.
Monster-Zero1111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cheap efficient safe jet packs.
webwizard1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone being nice to each other without swinging our cocks about saying we've got bigger bombs than you
KrackerJoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Elepole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to live on earth without fucking up the planet.
bag_of_grapes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:36:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
when religion is finally considered silly
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For everyone here that posted anything similar to extended or eternal life, please explain to me how much you actually thought about that outside an extremely selfish want to see the ages?
It's the most horribly instantly disastrous thing next to all out nuclear war that can happen.
krampusatemykitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An international democratic government.
willyram ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological Immortality. That way I get to see all of them.
darielgames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real Virtual Reality console. I.e 100% immersion not just exterior simulation.
XRW175P6MQ4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to meet a person that has never heard of Earth.
Pockets713 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:37:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry guys, I had written out a response saying I'm really not serious... though I apparently hit the wrong button... I was just making a play on the whole "these damn millennials" mood that's so prevalent these days... the f bombs didn't do me any favors... sorry guys, this was definitely written pre morning coffee... my apologies.
Neverlife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of animal agriculture would be nice. The end of religion would be nice. Let's just work on these two before we start the crazy stuff.
RenaKunisaki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting our shit together.
PyrrhicVictory7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp drive
dasfilth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A United States with a real democracy.
Darkwoodz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Indefinite life spans. So I could live long enough to see all of the rest of the things people posted here
Thor1515 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing a united EU as in ons country
PedroNova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality... seems kind of obvious to me.
Clint_Beastwould ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to stop aging. I'll be able to see more of mankind's achievements that way aswell.
nodiso ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:39:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An actual end to racism, but that's never going to happen. Generations and generation of propaganda and grudges will keep racism alive and going for the rest of eternity.
Andyrob4511 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to see America in a state of prosperity and back to being respected as a world power. Instead of a fucking joke.
njvsvalhalla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real life rocket league
thenewguy666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump impeachment ?
vxicepickxv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Post scarcity society.
resonantred35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For Americans to become unshackled from the current cabal of banking/military/intelligence interests that have subverted the nature and wealth of our people, government, and country.
As far as a human achievement, I'd like to see an end to war among nations, and an end to hunger. It's ridiculous in this day and age and indicative of the first issue I mentioned.
thomolithic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One for all cancer cure.
That or an advance warning system for aneurysms, those things fucking terrify me.
123455678910 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds very weird but, I'd like to see the west not collapse because of the low birth rate.
Hebtheman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The decriminalization and de-stigmatizing of cannabis and its users world wide.
IthinkIwannaLeia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transfer of memories and some personality to computer. My greatest fear is i will die just before.
johnnyknight23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality or some form of it
woodyfly2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering alien life form
tubewatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alzheimers cure.
Devium44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial trips to the moon.
derfmcdoogal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nearly 40 and I do think that driverless cars can be realistic in my lifetime.
PM_UR_SONG_LYRICS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Montreal Canadiens winning the Stanley Cup (who am I kidding)
DigitalStefan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:41:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10x battery capacity versus current Li-ion, without a large increase in density (weight) and with an accompanying faster charge rate capability and recharge endurance.
Solve the big problems slowly, such as moving to renewables and fusion energy production. Solve batteries though, and you will see a leap forward in all human technology.
M_Bipson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace and Interstellar Space travel. Im gunna go play the lotto.
King_Barrion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ftl travel.
lilybeans20101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality so I can see the rest of these.
WazzapHomie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discoverey of how we were created
Aetrion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for aging. I mean, all of them!
SavvySillybug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for death would be excellent in my lifetime.
freakwent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abiltion of professional armies and spy agencies, and a harmonious accord between nations to replace it.
thedrunkdingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal Marijuana in UK. It is shocking it hasn't happened yet.
Fire_is_beauty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Way better pain killers.
RickySonogram ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reunification of korea
Jeheh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to cut and paste from a reddit post on IOS
HenryCurtmantle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:42:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for stomach cancer, which carried away my father in under 13 weeks.
Utterly gruesome death.
seaM_nehpetS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first human born on a different planet.
ChristianSteiffen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An actual proof to the P = NP problem.
dalmathus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality through medicine
MidnightMarvel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive virtual reality.
Cleavus2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean if it's ANY human achievement I'd like if we made it possible to live forever so then I'd see all human achievements.
MisterDinkel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalize marijuana across the globe!
krampusatemykitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Autonomous non-sentient mechanical housemaids.
JDog902107 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion. If it is achieved, everything else can be achieved. A clean planet, space exploration, some form of peace.
regularjohn15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:43:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The realisation that the world has moved forward to fast and try's to rewind its self but it's far to late.
jbergizer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Serious: Managing to not start World War 3
Not as serious: Full on immersive virtual reality.
His_little_pet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A proof of the Collatz Conjecture.
Kaneshadow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A working system of government that is impervious to bloat and backdoor dealings against the best interest of the people.
After the Soviet Union collapsed the refrain was always "Communism only works on paper." Well we've given Democratic Republic the ol' college try, we beat Communism but closing in on 250 years our system is blighted by corruption and backdoor deals.
dbadefense1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:44:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World population begins to decrease, or at least plateaus.
dumbasshater ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:43 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet you're ruining your own city by letting illegals in that have 4 children each. Good job on seeing population decrease.
You're really stupid and helpless.
TheMacPhisto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M A R S. Mars, Bitches!
Not-Impressed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You people are all retarded. Fucking immortality idiots.
skatmanjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleport.
drxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human computer singularity
I want to upload my soul
knoxangel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying car.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable immortality would be nice!
frenchdonkeyze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing climate change.
If that's too hard, I'll settle for hover boards.
steveosten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
Mechanical-Mariner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An antacid you take once a year
chaze913 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light space travel
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone i hate to spontaneously combust and die
speelmydrink ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better-than-flesh augmentation. I want my immortal cyborg body, dammit!
Side benefit, don't gotta worry about my bad back, that shit's replaceable now.
swexbe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:45:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Retractable text messages
tcoop6231 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That means giving individuals the ability to crack into someone else's device and delete information from it without their permission. HUGE security risk.
GrandMasterBen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, the answer to this question equivalent to wishing for more wishes
TwinMugsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ability to upload consciousness. RpgVR games on the level that anime has made us crave.
LightsJusticeZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easily available portals/teleporters.
Even if there was a way to teleport from my house to my desk at work, I'd still be 5 min late lol
mr_fingers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:46:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to cure flu or a cold with one pill in a day.
RudyRoughknight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing Mars or the Moon. I want to get off this planet.
GantTanshia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for death. Then you can live to see everything.
tacmouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing mars
peruytu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp drive.
Tyl9er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crystal clear footage of a human on Mars.
risey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A brain transplant Plain and simple And the potential ramifications of said transplant
wasting_ti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding life on another planet
Beanzii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Miniature Giraffe. It is all I have ever wanted in life
BringMyFreedomBack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of capitalism.
weremound ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The majority using something other than oil that there is plenty of to go around and not cause wars.
Like the sun perhaps
weirdkittenNC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the human species.
sdecou ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:48:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winning the 1st galactic war and conquering the universe
krampusatemykitten ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate control as a science and large scale earth terra forming. It'll kill a couple thousand species of flora and fauna but I want the desserts reclaimed.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legitimate penis enlargement
nuclearpunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see Beijing finally have a clean sky, that's not gonna happen until we sort out the rest of the planet's pollution levels
BlueBattleHawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First true AI
rafaelg1005633 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel (as a tourist), end conflict in Middle East, end on raising taxes.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing other planets, I know i probably won't see that, but it would be amazing to be on a shuttle to a new world. It would be hard having to start over though, but in my lifetime I'll probably just see world war 3 instead.
Gnefitisis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simple, trans-humanism. We need to deal with the philosophical conundrums before it is too late.
SexBadgersaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True VR gaming. Like, Sword Art Online style.
goodbackscratchclub ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Confirmation we are not alone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spaceships on a domestic level. Everybody wants to be a Han Solo
line_4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skeletal regrowth with an option of renewable teeth.
matzapper65 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:49:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism working
iMangeshSN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Digitisation of Scent
Dax697 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't want to die. I am scared.
Tesagk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate change reversed. One can dream, right?
pittypitty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace. Nuff said
hmmmam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:50:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
mars landing
ChaosGandalf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Atmospheric CO2 reversal.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First truly sentient AI.
Long shot I know.
tenmillionbucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster fucking airplanes.
PmMe_Sexy_Butts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't believe it will happen in my lifetime but I do want to see it happen, I want to see mankind/humanity find a way/method to live/colonize space in some way. Whether it's big space stations that can house and sustain an active population, colonies on Mars, whatever.
PastaOfMuppets ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
MacGyversSon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Impeachment of a US President
tulto580 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free unlimited, unfiltered education for everybody.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There needs to be a way damnit
saromen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely immersive Virtual Reality (like in Ready Player One)
Oreo_Scoreo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a human consciousness dumped into a robot or computer body. Also I want to be that person. I understand death. I just don't wanna miss out on all the cool shit. Like League of Legends season 69.
ViciousHGames ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ocean's trash islands fully cleaned.
Simonsini ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to reach mars in a manned mission and the solving of important problems mankind suffers, hunger as an example. Also, slowing global warning the fuck down.
ImmediateDafuq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:52:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with the extra terrestrial
TybrosionMohito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stanford Torus or two as permanent space colonies. It's significantly more feasible than colonizing Mars, but for some reason hardly anyone ever brings it up.
WillsMyth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unified theory and one form or another of time travel.
DillonHinson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Utilizing the world's oceans for our water needs. Over 75% of our planet is water, yet we have water shortages in many places. It just amazes me how we can put a man on the moon, we can communicate with anyone in the world instantly, we can do heart transplants...yet we can't even drink the water off our coasts. I mean, we can, and we do, but desalination is still very expensive and consumes a stupid amount of energy. We need to find a more efficient and cost-effective way of doing this.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure Aging.
Domkraft ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for aging so we could see them all.
adrift2oblivion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robot girlfriends with customizable personality
viacheslave ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:54:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on the Moon again
lordturbo801 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True Nuclear Disarmament
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True socialismโwhere the citizens/workers control the means of productionโthat isn't torn down bit by bit by capitalist countries.
Jaberator8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see the end of marijuana prohibition in my lifetime. I've seen too many good lives ruined for doing something as small as smoking a plant in their backyard
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
black hole physics fully understood
BlueLanternSupes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars and several other habital moons in our solar system.
Crique_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did no one say moon base?
jaokal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:55:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How many people thinking immortality?
enezra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A instant hangover cure.
I say at 5pm still in bed nursing last night's GOT drinking
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering why sleep is necessary and finding ways to make it unnecessary/shorter.
slider383 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable living
reached86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
srv82690 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transporters...
griffdog82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial super intelligence . This might seem odd to wish for but it could fix all problems easily if created. Imagine it being brighter and faster than our (scientific) greatest minds . Assuming that it doesn't wipe us out , we could reach utopia. Here's a neat link: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
youwontevenbelieve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:56:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reaching another liveable planet, seeing it terraformed and inhabited.
under_ice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Then I get to see all of it :)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A daily warm meal, a private, secure place to sleep and keep your possessions, and free bus pass for every person in my city who can't afford it (Oakland CA).
darkninjad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
TAKE ME TO MARS, DAMNIT.
DlProgan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aging "cure". Then I have a chance to see it all.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
_Mephostopheles_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:57:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want all this anti-vax, flat-earth, moon hoax, fundamentalist religion, conspiracy theory bullshit to just dwindle and die and stop holding us back.
I'd also love to see a cure for most diseases (and a universal treatment for cancer) as well as universal healthcare worldwide.
Nemesys2005 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's learn how to not be assholes to each other. Then maybe we can accomplish more together.
Tjodleik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since I'm a huge sci-fi nerd I want to see a functioning Alcubierre drive. I'll settle for proof that it can actually be done, though.
Yashxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone in the world becoming fitter and healthier overall, growing as humans.
saurabh_mj82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:58:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Production of cheap nutrtious food to make sure no one in the world goes hungry to sleep...
Makkapakka777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer and a fix for autism.
giorgobiany ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spider-Man and Batman franchise being shut down.
MaraMarieMadd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of real miniature monsters. Like a tiny Dracula that you could put in your pocket and sic on your enemies. JS
steele99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:59:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
0 corruption in at least 1 country.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One world government. Not on a totalitarianism or communism scale, but more like laws and regulations that are evenly spread across the planet and not done country by country, state by state, city by city, town by town.
Onlyredfox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality!!
s0974748 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I used to say I wanted to live long enough to see a black president. I didn't realize how easy that would be. So now I wanna live long enough to see a really, really gay president. Or a super model president. I wanna see all the different kinds of presidents.
wont_tell_i_refuse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
12 years of TRUMP
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elimination of global poverty.
saintjohnbutler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was gonna say man creating the deep fried Twinkie, but we already have that. I've seen all I need to see.
Aeriyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full-Dive VR. I want it so bad
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
...immortality, or largely increased lifetimes, would be nice...
drag0nfyr3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extension of human life so people can live much longer
gunfire09 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:01:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heard a quote in /r/space about being too young to see the moon landing but too old for deep space. I'd just really like to see man kind land someone on the moon again.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion. I know it won't happen, but of all human inventions, this has been the most destructive.
johnminadeo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human habitation of another planet or even the moon.
Alouitious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gravity control.
I want a gravity gun.
Caleb6801 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a point when your identity online is completely separate from your irl identity. With things like decrentilized Internet and the government not being able to read every plain text you type or read, but in the direction it's going I can see the exact opposite thing happening.
The_Sacred_Cow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:02:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To be able to peel the wrapper off of a recess cup and have no chocolate sticking to it.
Theradoc16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He said in your lifetime man, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
The_Sacred_Cow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're right! What was I thinking?
Kjottulf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liverpool signing Van Dijk
chipstone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Three boobs on a chick. We can do it. We have the science
ZAS100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
savesthedaystakn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Broad legalization of assisted suicide.
Grizzly_Spirit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realization that religion is merely an advanced coping mechanism and moving past. Then as a species move towards a scientific outlook on the universe.
griii2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Physical theory of everything
Jellyfish_Princess ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:03:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to be a cyborg like in Ghost in th Shell (Anime, not the shitty movie) damn it. But I probably couldn't afford it.
Redent0r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A succesful coconut story
doomrider7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Equality, respect, and acceptance in Race, gender, sexual preference, religion, nationality, etc.. Yeah I know, we have a better chance of "making contact" than this ever happening.
Atheist_Simon_Haddad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Repair the climate; we already did it once.
ThrowAnAngel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL Travel, or at the very least accessible travel inside the solar system, and settlements, space stations, things like that.
I'm 19 so it might be a bit of a stretch, but I love anything about space.
seanj1newton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel, not just floating around the earth. Real space travel to another system.
sidneyroughdiamond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Don't laugh but I'd like a global government, guaranteed income for all earth citizens and liberal drug laws.
matrixgamer35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
city on mars would be pretty awesome, would be even better if I could visit before I died.
Not_Jimi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Low cost orbital technology. Something to make actually working in and moving things to orbit on a large scale feasible. Space elevator?
I think that with that technology in existence I could die believing that our species isn't doomed to die on this rock.
allthekos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I will never be impressed by anything until I can download food!
finalsurvivor01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
Sola-Nova ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3, world peace a close second.
NiggestOfNogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic limbs, or whatever the correct terminology is. You loose an arm to an accident and all it takes is some surgery and a bit of training for you to have it fully functional again.
pstronk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars
BigRed160 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:05:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradicate cancer
OrsoMalleus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see mankind overcome their differences and build five lion robots that can come together and form one big robot that will fight off alien invaders. Even if we're never invaded by aliens, I just want a real Voltron.
Dimakhaerus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not a single poor human on Earth. We live in a planet with more than enough resources so everybody could have a wealthy life, but all the systems we developed involve poverty.
Strogue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I thought something similar the other day. As for my take, once people reach a certain age like reaching 18-21, they all receive a lump sum more than generous enough for a nice home, car, and luxuries which would be all paid off and no property/utility taxes. It's then up to the individual whether or not they wish to make good financial decisions from that point onward. This way, everyone can be treated to a better living situation and its up to them whether or not they fuck it up.
-edit- this is just a fantasy
Im_Tidard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:06:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life ;)
Bittah-Commander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
one word: ALIENS!!
thisguy2164 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
4-D M E M E S
KrustyClownX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The comeback of supersonic comercial planes with down to earth ticket fares would be pretty cool I guess.
Leneord1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:07:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eradicate the cancerous memes and people of the internet
bean__curd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. Peace is a human achievement to a human problem
McBlemmen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People on mars.
Edit : Permanently.
sbird4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see cures for chronic miseries such as arthritis and glaucoma.
tarwork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hesitate to say it because "World Government" is such a big bugaboo to right wingers (black helicopters and all thatโฆ ) but I'd like to see a world body with teeth if only in some limited portfolios.
Atmadog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Outlawing driving cars and everything is an automated and super efficient self driving taxi system.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Size 3xl and 14 shoes nike and jordan in stores for good prices
tinmancactus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the human population plateau, which may happen at about 11 billion in about 80 years.
Less would be better but at least plateauing off would provide peace of mind that it's not going to grow exponentially, deplete resources, destroy the planet and collapse.
CineasOfThessaly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:08:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The last king being strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fucking cure for baldness. Now.
LupusAlbum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:09:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full dive technology. It would be the pinnacle of gaming.
RachelSid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
in a dream world: Teleportation
slightly more realistically: a reliable predictor of (by way of blood test or some other simple test) and prevention for all kinds of cancer - eventually resulting in cancer being something you see coming and avoid with a pill. I am not quite 40 so in another 40 years... IDK this one may be possible...
Mr-0strich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:10:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full functioning A.I.
I mean I would be part of our last generation but it just amazes the shit out of me.
HoldItCaulfield ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, obviously
shrimpsmalls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to chronic pain syndromes.
Julio_C ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be nice to have a space elevator
Moonske17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear winter.
Dingohopper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decent public transportation system in Los Angeles such as a subway system that Japan has.
SpytheMedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At least 10 seasons on Sherlock
Fidodo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human minds being transcoded digitally. Then after that... All of them.
italianshark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Thinks to self 'Don't be selfish, say something like cure for cancer or MS. Or end world hunger.'
I want to see them make real Pokรฉmon
Shnuka1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global legalization of cannabis
CC2804 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2hr marathon.
4.5min miles, 26.2 times. It seems completely impossible but someone has already done it in 2hr:02. I think it would be huge, like the first 4min mile, and the record is now 3min:43. Superhuman feats
TheBirdmanOfMexico ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Utah Jazz win an NBA title
sardonicjerkface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying personal vehicles.
Omomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:13:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A grand theft auto game with the gta 4 physics
Maxb45678 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My own
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is it 2017 and we still have people starving in this world?
Zinouweel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More on prime numbers. Riemann hypothesis proof. Schlieren photography of all kinds of phonemes (I've seen a comparison of /a/ and /รฃ/ and that's it which seriously disturbs me there isn't much, much more readily available!). More research into non-pulmonic phonemes in regards to sonority (hierarchies). Company colonialism.
Those are the more specific ones I can come up with. Now onto the ones which were mentioned a lot I don't want to see:
Global peace. Cure for cancer, alzheimer. Just to keeps things interesting.
ImpeachJohnV ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
dow 40000
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Drone vehicles (aka flying cars)
crucible299 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:14:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator
Eggith ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A way to reverse or outright prevent those death sentence diseases. Just wish it could happen before Robbie Rotten passes on....
Preischotel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long-range faster-than-light transmission.
Iforgot_my_other_pw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me going to bed early once in my life
Twitch_Cattz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
MrHappySadClown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI and how it will effect our life once it's commonplace. My friend talks about how that's when "the human race will retire" but there will still be things like politics & malevolence and I wanna see how the 2 will co-exist.
Alfheim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What I want to see is us solving power. Fusion tech or whatever. If we solve our power issues we can build large scale desalination plants. If we can do that we can solve our water issues. If we can solve our water issues we can solve our food/crop issues. So just by solving power we solve water and food and building materials. Basically we can provide a baseline for everyone alive. There would be no more justification for hunger, we would be post scarcity for these resources.
nurrturn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:15:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
taking a shit that doesn't touch the sides
sonofharvey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:16:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
travel time becoming benign to go anywhere and no need for cars
Zerek_Doolander ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans going back to the moon.
thomoz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A millennial successfully impregnating a coconut.
Jamison08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:17:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"First Martian human born"
TheFinalArcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy
JBjEnNiNgS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first, true AI. Chappie style. We have the robotics down, now it's just developing a sentient pilot. To understand consciousness we have to model it.
Hattless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accountability for people in high positions of power or popularity.
Yokai_Alchemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full dive in Virtual Reality gaming. Not just a small display on ur face (Sword art fans out there?)
agaminon22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space exploration.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual Reality. And I mean, ACTUAL virtual reality, not just those terrible game glasses that make you wanna puke. I want someone to recreate the whole world in VR so I can visit anywhere without leaving home.
SpanglishmcZales ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stem cells / nano bots to fix or regenerate things, because being sick sucks, fuck you crohns
pwolf27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Graphene batteries! It will change everything!
geniusinalamp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Release of information regarding extraterrestrial contact.
4chanisforbabies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony
embrac1ng ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial AI!
ShIxtan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:19:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Construction of a Matrioshka Brain (internet isn't working to look up spelling) around the sun, so we can use all the sun's output to run trillions of trillions of human lives in perfect virtual reality.
Sending probes with a few million stored humans to every star and galaxy in our light cone.
Watching star after star burn out, and if we are lucky, thinking of something to do after that.
Moist_Cankles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prevention and maintenance held in a higher regard or equal to reatment and innovation
BIessthefaII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:20:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure(s) for any of the uncurable diseases we have currently
Oliwan88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism overthrown, stable secure life for everyone, maximum efforts and resources put forth into developments of space exploration and research.
Instead of all this class bullshit, to see future generations rise above petty conflict and achieve great new things together.
dafool98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fuckable coconut that you can buy from the store
MrJim911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:21:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Significantly greater space exploration. Faster than light travel.
DrDrangleBrungis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M. A. R. S., Mars Bitches!
RandyLeRam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obesity gone.
chawoppa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A definite cure for baldness.
Fuck genetics.
leyven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully inmersing virtual reality (อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
sansmeme176 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
people living on other planets
TheTechReactor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full labor automation and post-scarcity society.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want flying cars. That's it.
jemmyjoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalizing gay marriage.
BOOSH!
EthFan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Black Mirror's San Junipero really stuck with me, still think on it from time to time. I'd like to see something like that be created so if biologically we can't preserve/extend lifespans, at least a part of you can live on.
Helikaon92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Winds of Winter
The Doors of Stone
The Thorn of Emberlain
FlimFlam_69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A device like the tri-corder in Star Trek that lets you communicate with other people, and does other handy stuff too such as show your position globally, look up information in a giant database. Stuff like that
yuganon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind landing on Mars
low_key_alter_ego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:23:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Pilotman49 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind learning to genuinely and sincerely get along together peacefully.
robochicksa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for an incurable disease, illness or infection.
Lynn2424 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on the Moon
TheonGreyboat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:24:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Turning off all non renewable energy plants for good.
dudius7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Social health care in the United States. With how divisive it seems, I imagine we might colonize Mars before someone can visit a counselor without paying out of pocket.
saimanx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully functioning cryostasis.
Amantus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Large-scale automation with universal basic income, globally. I want a techno-optimist future.
TheParableNexus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be happy to see full colonization of Mars.
HULK-SMASH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the human race to wake up to the damage it's doing to the planet
blackjesusAD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Cleveland browns winning a super bowl
B4ss3rd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of exploitation. Humans need to learn how to be better bros. Fucking share and stop hogging everything.
barry_you_asshole ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
some sort of sonic shower, i love being clean, but i hate getting wet.
Minifig66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everybody just stops with the coconut fucking...
sastarbucks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Watching my future child growing up and leading a happy life, if that counts I guess. If not, then running on 100% renewables.
fartmcmassster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The elimination of virtually all disease.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of non-Earth life plus a 4 core processor that goes above 5 ghz
nausik ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:26:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal euthanasia
JMMD94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People seem to greatly underestimate the technological and medical advances. There's a decent chance that if you live another 50 years your lifetime may increase exponentially. This leaves enormous possibilities for the achievements we might see.
N0_Shrapnel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure to cancer
sauced03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Racism ending.
lifeboxglobal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World hunger solved (actually invented a machine to do it)
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:27:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A successful colony on Mars would be fantastic to see. I'm not sure how viable that is within our lifetime, but I sincerely hope the people in charge can pull it off.
oclotty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon
Nicknam4 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First Contact. It will completely change everything when(if) it happens. That moment will be a defining one in human history, we might start new calendars around that date.
ILikeFluffyThings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:28:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering anything faster than light.
Jive_Bob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life
Gamegeneral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality for all social and economic classes.
neverwashopeforme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human extinction
Playteaux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
LMAO_HAHA_WOW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An amazing Fantastic Four movie.
IrwinElGrande ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:34:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think we're sticking with somehow reasonable goals, like time travel or mind uploading.
deskworkerbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Long distance space travel. Give me Star Trek.
FazerGS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the Berserk Manga finally completed. Also, sex robots.
fullblownelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:29:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is easy. The ability to stop aging so you can live forever. You will then be able to see all of the other great achievements of mankind, especially the ones beyond our imagination at this given time.
Hoihe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Europe united as one country, with domestic matters left to local governments but foreign policy is decided in unison.
LittleBiggKid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful colonization of Mars/ the moon... or first contact with alien life
kereteka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being human
UserNamesCantBeTooLo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope we can finally complete the eradication of the Guinea Worm.
If you wanted to donate ten bucks to a project that would do the most good for the most people, deworming is one of the things that goes the farthest. The only thing ranked higher by GiveWell for cost-efficiency is fighting malaria.
Once the Guinea Worm is gone, it's gone. It's a milestone we can reach, like the eradication of smallpox. Polio is also nearly wiped out.
So we need also need to invent a malaria vaccine and we need to finish applying the polio vaccine. Application is hindered by the kooks who spread false rumors about vaccines being someone's evil plot.
... And I just realized that if they ever develop a malaria vaccine, there will probably be bullshit rumors about that one, too. :(
spacehanger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Mars landing
Freihl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World domination would be very interesting
Amandably ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of gerrymandering.
e-moil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jurrasic park
shmorky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more reliance on fossil fuels
Jorddyy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A small phone battery that actually lasts more than a day.
OGstankmuffin22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marijuana legalization
tenpencefreddo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is it sad that my first thought was 'bring back mint wispa'?
cfk77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A device in which people can dream together. That would be insane
housecalls247 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the end of white liberal guilt.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lgbt rights everywhere, legal prostitution and weed. just the whole world going amsterdam.
ThanklessTask ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of religion and a move to a unified humanity with common morals.
ObiWhun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:32:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3.
IrwinElGrande ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind uploading
son-of-sumer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proving the existence of an afterlife or the lack of...
firstcoastrider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lightsaber
chris1096 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's actually just starting to happen. Dna alterations in fetuses to eliminate genetic deficiencies. Just read about one with a family generic heart defect that doctors were able to eliminate in utero.
MetalGearSora ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality attained and teleportation realised on a scale feasible for international transportation. Won't happen, but I want to see it in my lifetime.
yaosio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see everybody care again but it's more likely we will go faster than light.
Pimguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Intelligence helping me like a human could
vHungryCaterpillar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:33:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Obviously some way of halting or reversing the ageing process
dude22blue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:34:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone fucking a coconut without fucking up.
Jacob_Dovahkiin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of gravity's carrier particle the graviton.
Khiv_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending death.
Madlutian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity. I'd like not to die, if possible.
Evillee03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them, that includes immortality.
gjikolp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eugenics
day7seven ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To boldly go where no man has gone before like they do on Star Trek. And not grittier.
WenisInVietnam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:35:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars
chronotope ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% clean energy
Joey_BF ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Riemann Hypothesis being proved.
avalonian422 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see colonization of Mars and successful mining of resources outside our planet.
Shadowglove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing! And finding some kind of life on another planet.
l0rdee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of north korea
cjpack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:36:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tha Carter V released
justinzr0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars! Get (your ass) to mars!
TheKingOfKolo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Discovery of Alien Life
BlueLikeHim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:37:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's slowly becoming a possible reality, but I really hope self-driving cars become the default mode of automotive transportation. It would save so much gas and time, plus countless human lives. Not to mention it would be a dream come true for elderly, blind, and physically disabled people!
austbot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm aiming to join NASA or some other space based program as a Chemical Engineer. I hope to work in someway on the first colony ship that humanity will send out into space.
sleepingparagnomen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the landing on Mars to be a universal world spanning party, we should be allowed off work and parties should be thrown. That's another step in our legacy as a human race
Thunderjake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:38:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboards. That is all
DoodleSean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full Cure For Cancer!!!
spaZod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Men standing on the surface of mars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
not destroying the fuckin earth
purple_whatever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:39:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity going beyond the need of a monetary system.
TheWorldProctor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:40:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hmm a bit idealistic but I would like too see us achieve a nuclear weapon free world it creates a sense of false peace in the world by major powers having enough weapons to destroy the world twice over.
Additionally I would like the big 3 superpowers of the world(USA, Russia, China) too actually work together on matters instead of having proxy or cyber wars. It might even lead to change when their allies and the smaller nations see this. I would like to be a mediator for the potential talks held in the future.
Of course it won't be easy but if we use a combination of rational thinking and some emotional reasoning it should be possible.
frustrated44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realistically: Moon base
Unrealistically: Functioning US government
SUPER Realistically: our first puppy-monkey-baby president
GreenMnms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The healing of the environment
Churromang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not sure it counts, like, at all, but I'm excited at the prospect of either Scientology entering the mainstream during my life time or, it's complete and total eradication during my lifetime.
Either way, I'm pretty sure that something big related to Scientology will happen before I die.
NJ_Damascus_Knives ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:41:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to fossil fuel dependence.
Chryron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tweets we can edit
FallenRanger635 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization on the moon, with not much trouble.
autreadam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Meeting another sentient species for the first official time.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:42:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
JakNBlak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboards. That move like drones do right now.
Asshatsforeveryone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal empathy and compassion (you know, the golden rule).
frogspa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A concious AI that goes on to find a cure for Alzheimer's.
Hamstrong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like a cool robot arm
ciroluiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mars landing and pretty much anything that graphene promises ie graphene displays, batteries, proccesors etc.
CactusQueen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An ethical way of disposing of nuclear waste.
LordDigBick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:43:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace on earth....the greatest achievement of all.
TaquitoPartyat330 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:44:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace in the Middle East in particular. Also ending world hunger.
wigriffi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to see the human being and fish to coexist peacefully.
SamsonsFox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Books six and seven of asoiaf.
Muramalks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:45:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
0-gravity bukkake
Looking4Maria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
COMMUNISM DONE RIGHT or capitalism. Just fucking anything if it works
antisocialmedic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pod-babies. I could have more kids!
Redhavok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting out of bed in the morning
assmaster314 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:46:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
basic income
Mez714 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nano-bots to cure humans/animals from the most difficult health problems.
Succubista ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income.
headrush46n2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI, or a post scarcity society.
Neither will happen.
Figfewdisgewd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see better treatment to farm animals to be mandatory. Meat isn't even supposed to be this cheap.
Spoogie69onu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:47:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Baraburi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manifesting the psyche into a god
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not necessarily curing cancer, but maybe making it into a chronic disease. Something like diabetes. You can just take this one thing a certain number of times per day and live a normal life, with the cancer being stagnant.
runs_in_the_jeans ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A couple of things: -Harnessing the power of anti-matter -Human travel to Mars -Teleportation -Actual world fucking peace.
gtwizzy8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
While I'd love to see things like cybernetics and the transfer of human cognition into an AI platform. The thing I really want to see is a clean and sustainable planet. We only have one
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to see electric/hybrid vehicles that don't look like garbage. I rather drive two F350s rolling coal at once than a Prius. I want a normal looking sports car, not some faux futuristic abortion.
Nail_Biterr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop aging/cure all illness/discover immorality!
kingpinhamste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 2 meter jump with no run up.
Bajerturi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:49:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A civil war.
theredheadedorphan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A really dramatic decrease of teen pregnancy in my state.
Malacare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of capitalism
Aruseus493 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive virtual reality. (Like Sword Art Online, just without the death game aspect.)
flyingpigmonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm looking for eternal longevity so I can see all the human achievements.
JackFoxEsq ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ridding the oceans of plastics, especially microbeads.
CatKungFu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:50:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Preservation of the planet above profit
TankerTyree ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion! It would change so many things!
MorphineBear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd want to see the average life expectancy of a developed nation to be projected past 100 years. I highly doubt it'll happen within my next 50-60 years but one could wish. I say projected because if this were to happen, I doubt anyone already alive will be able to get the right supplements, treatment, etc to live that long. It needs to start at birth.
MacFive55 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Find a way to travel through out the galaxy. (or at least make it to the solar system closest to us)
AJGatherer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:51:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Roko's basilisk. Just point me to the company making it so I can give them money and protect myself.
Claudidio07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man that can suck his own dick
deadlyicon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality by singularity
classicdogshape ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to store solar power generated from your panels in your own battery
thatserver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legit sub 2hr marathon.
Sturgeon_Genital ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two chicks at the same time
Codazoa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% clean renewable energy world wide. And space/moon hotels
kerplunkerfish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GRRM finishing ASOIAF...
skilletzx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:52:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel, uploading consciousness (or at least good DBI), molecular transistor, quantum/bio computers, human creation of life, space stations at all the Lagrange points (for earth and sun), colony on mars, and effective synthetic biology.
qfeys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinical imortality
Millerboii288 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:53:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial space travel
SplotchMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, immortality would be nice to see.
Chariot_Rider ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half life 3
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:54:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone on the planet getting into relationships with coconuts
Jonnehboi88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Late as hell but I'd love to see us perfect emission control and fix or adjust to any ecological impacting things we have done. I think for us to consider ourselves as a species worthy of space exploration we must first perfect and understand our living here on earth.
pa07950 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A treatment for pain that is not addictive. Our ability to fix and cure our body is moving faster than our ability to manage pain.
Jirb30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Please. I greatly fear the unknown that is death.
blando_cow_person ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieving immortality by figuring out how to download human consciousness into a computer program and becoming a robotic species; allowing us to explore the stars without having to worry about food and oxygen restrictions we have to figure out due to our flesh and blood existence
Amnial556 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For the human race to learn not to fuck coconuts.
brooklynscholar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
99% of used energy to come from solar power
tamanon1322 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact.
phelanii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bionics. I would get new legs, knees downward asap.
no_gold_here ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Seriously, at least putting your consciousness into something less... meaty has to be possible, right?
peachey96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing cancer
PricklyPickles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for MS. Having it myself, and seeing how fast medicine progresses gives me hope; but we'll see.
Usernamecujo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial Super sonic flight that masters and overcomes the current noise, pollution, safety and monetary hurdles it faces today. It must be easily accessible for all as commercial passengers flights are today
kjanta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ITT my to do list
kbkillah89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:57:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation so I don't have to actually get in my car and drive places anymore
jjconnor77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering immortality
jaspobrowno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is so much wrong with that statement i have no idea how it is upvoted so highly? Unless you're clearly being sarcastic and I've totally missed da vibe
Ebun10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First immortal man. If I see this during my lifetime it means that it's me.
ThePerseverator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holograms used for communication
LegitHooman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Orbital solar shades.
stillnotpartying ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone uncover a 100% cure for every single disease ever by a beautifully simple discovery (or unveiling).
EOURHJSDMWKGIHGQ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace, but I have my doubts!
Simply_Cosmic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Define "achievement."
not_your_google ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Republicans not acting like God's envoy's to earth.
tinfoilwallet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marriage equality in Australia!
It seems like we will never get there.
BustyJerky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans going to mars.
I, Busty, want to go to Mars.
shefeltbroken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:58:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub 2 hour marathon (Best attempt by Eliud Kipchoge for the primed conditions Nike sub 2 attempt at 2:00:25 which knocked 2:27 off the standing world record)
SwedishWaffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing, naturally
rideincircles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for tinnitus. There are many symptoms that have to be dealt with and it's not just the ear that is the problem.
ovrlymm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Haven't seen it but peace would be nice. A world where we traded and helped one another rather than Hide away resources and knowledge that can help people. Where the olympics was a contest of athletes not nations. Where people could come together and not hate them immediately on sight because they're different but rather because they vape and are pro-vegan
crystaloftruth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a permanent colony established on a world other than Earth
notfrmTeXas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
space colonization
Vercalos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact or human teleportation. Not sure which ranks higher.
ScootLif ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Massive desalination projects to provide water and energy, overhaul of diet, nutritious food for students, effective prison systems in the US, exposure to foreign languages at younger ages/the schooling system, strong leaders in the middle east to settle differences, North Korea not launching an ICBM at any country.
PrussianBlue2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. I don't want to die.
bachemazar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Card machines that automatically know if its debit or credit.
Max_Fenig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
wrestlingfan007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace
MrMcPwnsalot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Alzheimers. According to FutureTimeline it will happen eventually
QuickKill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:00:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Map to the female psyche
Steelemdvor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
DreamingSerpent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering/Meeting Alien Life Possibly?
PhantomDrvr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd kind of like to see North Korea open up the country and become a productive member of the international community instead of a repressive regime that starves its own people.
Also, it would be nice if my granddaughter could afford to go to college along with every other qualified person and not have to pay off loans until she retires.
oblivion007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation of a particle through either space, time, or both. Be it a photon, electron or some other convenient particle.
Silverspy01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans stepping foot on Mars. I don't care what we do with it after that. Just getting there is achievement enough.
bluesam3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reliable and near-universal cryopreservation or other methods of nigh-indefinite life preservation.
ArgonianEngineering ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human colony on an Earth-like planet
CHGE ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:01:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A porno in space.
Or at least 0g.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
Sinomon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercially sold jetpacks
KenPC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for aging.
Or cryogenic freezing until cure is found.
MrButtermancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we see AI, we may see the technological singularity. And if we see the singularity, we'll probably see the rest of human achievements during our lifetimes.
GeraldBWilsonJr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just one single day where everyone fucks off and just stops the bullshit until the next day. It would be a day of peace.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A better designed urinal implemented in all men's bathrooms, sick and tired of piss splashing back its time to make a change
DevilsLittleChicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:02:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Settling Mars... I'm getting my name down ASAP, even if it's a one way flight.
joemik99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A definite conclusion as to if extraterrestrial life exists or not. (With definitive proof)
Kubsphan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Substantial lengthening of the human lifespan through science and technology.
dethorix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete and full immersion V.R.
govindkpareek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easy and less time taking, travelling from one planet to another.
houseSpark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A feasible revolutionary battery technology.
DanQuaylePotatoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
McDonalds bringing back Szechuan Sauce.
PhishAndChips ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:03:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Diabetes please!!
IOISux0r_65535 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When we overthrow our robot overlords.
Bill_Gates187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a cure for all addiction........
dinamikasoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An association that will actually teach man and woman appreciate each other's contribution and values and grow together.... instead of all those that are separating them by competing with each other
nanaloopy44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Settling the moon OR mars.
ZanjaBoss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
RTZ winning a TI
Pyroscoped ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new Steve Irwin is reincarnated Avatar style
jariddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A silicon valley in Morocco
lazrbeam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for tinnitus.
wordis_bond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The desistance of all sexual acts involving coconuts
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity. The day when humans can upload their minds to the cloud and be granted immortality. I'm 17, so I have a very good chance of living to see this.
GandalfSnicklefritz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:04:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading/downloading ones brain.
49orth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the wealth gap decrease.
JustiseRainsFrmAbove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GeckoGary getting 132,000 upvotes
kingofkale13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An apocalypse of some kind. Preferably not Zombies though.
Hadrosaur_Hero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
1 of 2 things (both wold be incredible)
The colonization of another planet, not our moon, a place we can live on and use as an expansion point to travel even farther. (Mars and some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn would make excellent candidates with some terraforming).
The cure for all known diseases, which would probably entail some version of micro-machines being put in our bodies to act as advanced white blood cells going around looking for disease, damage, etc. and treating it.
Mi5terKittle5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic enhancement!! Preferably relatively affordable, but if I have to pay off my debt by being a cybernetic corporate assassin then sign me up anyway. I can't wait to get some mirror shades and razor blades implanted in my fingers, anyway.
And I love to imagine if I could get new eyes that could see into different parts of the spectrum like ultraviolet, infared, and beyond. I feel like there is so much going on around us that we are just unable to perceive. That's the first modification I'm getting, hands down.
TaruNukes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to download consciousness into a computer basically making the human race immortal
M8-Pls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Secure borders and strict border control. Real progress.
Duveng1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial asteroid mining. If we have ready access to materials in space I think it would open the door to orbital manufacturing which would open the door to readily available and cheap commercial space flight. I know there are already several companies looking into asteroid mining like Deep Space Industries and Planetary Resources and it gets me so excited.
anonymous_212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
humanoid robots that are difficult to detect
Psycho568 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of another planet
Bokayokay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income, please. Imagine what people could do if everyone's basic survival was collectively secured. Imagine what people could do if no one had to work a job that did not inspire them.
It seems like this would require: universal medical care, universal access to education, supportive job placement systems, and extensive mental health services.
What if we collectively worked to remove the obstacles that prevent people from living productive and fulfilling lives?
LAW9960 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man walking on Mars
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decrease in total human population on Earth, due to family planning, a decline in religion and poverty and new age of prosperity, peace and equality for everyone; The sooner this planet is past "peak human", the better. A space lift and a colonization project might be nice too, but I'd go with bringing us down to a healthy one to five billion first. (Might take a couple of generations).
tendingworm17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
quantum computing
Tfolla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want someone to successfully fuck a coconut.
Smithinite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism and generalization. As a white college kid I love talking to everybody and making anyone no matter age, race, nationality, and social class feel invited to a conversation with me. It just doesn't happen in the city or the US as much as I had thought it would growing up. I still try with everyone and keep my spirits up even when willingness to open up is not reciprocated.
lbassett_21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see one day where we don't have to worry about pollution.
texasrenegade83 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:07:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone to play music on MTV
Dynamiczbee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens, Mars and Global warming gone.
Spibas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI superseding human intellect. AI creating superior AI, that keeps on creating superior AI -> aka creation of God by men. By this point we should be immortal, so I'd like that.
Uffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing fucking climate change
thefucklol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Longevity of life and colonization of Mars with traveling between the two.
Nick-D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for depression. Friend was found dead yesterday thanks to his 3rd attempt at suicide. He had a seemingly decent life and we always tried to keep his head up when we could. This shit sucks.
Muckl3t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Let's get to Mars!
jonmadina ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A youtuber having a real job.
_r-squared_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So if they make enough money to live on off YouTube they should have to get another job? That's fucking dumb for many reason but Mainly it takes a job away from someone who needs the money.
jonmadina ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:20:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not my point.
The whole issue is the insane amount of money some people are doing through this platform, most of them at a very young age. An age at which they're not capable of realising the value of it. Sure, there are some restrictions in the way they perceive this money, maybe it has to go through their parents 'till they're 18, but that doesn't solve the lack of responsibility and awareness.
And yes, there are a lot of different cases, and no, they're not all judgable by the same argumentation, but one thing is cristal clear: no one can know shit about something they haven't experienced. It's like when a young fella has his/her first relationship, people around will go 'aw, look how cute they are', but what they're really thinking is 'oh dear, let's get ready for when this is over and he/she knows what it's like afterwards for the first time'. Some people don't ever go through a breakup, ergo they don't ever know what it's like. Some of them will appreciate what they have, some others won't (and eventually get ditched and disappointed at a rather strange age for it). That's the same principle I'm talking about with 'the real job' thing.
I could add some points to my reasoning, but I hope I made it understandable this way. Sorry about possible mistakes, English isn't my first language.
Edit: forgot to mention that my first post was meant in a kinda funny way, I know generalizations aren't a good procedure to make a point, but since OP didn't tag this as serious, I permitted myself a little bit of poorly executed humor.
Dancin9Donuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring out how to teach kindness consistently and reliably. Maybe if humans learned some empathy and decency we wouldn't have so much crime and loss of nature.
ViDanci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:08:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to switch bodies medically when yours gets too old
Jatopia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
OneeyedPete ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing most of the damage we've done to our planet.
LordJamesOfMinceMeat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:09:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace, but I fear that humanity will destroy itself long before that happens.
downonthesecond ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slip the surly bonds of Earth and touch the face of God.
RyanZee08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact
gap343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personal drone helicopters that can take you or deliver packages to otherwise inaccessible areas via GPS (i.e the top of a mountain).
adraria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The growth of Antinatalism as a philosophy
Flyjel2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right before I die I want to see mankind figure out how to create artificial life. Then I want to die so I don't have to deal with what comes next
Keve321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world that focuses on people having a great life, instead of profits and power.
SlickAsCanBe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full Dive VR technology like what is in Sword Art Online would be really cool
ImTHEdodgeWooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
that women don't really have a G spot...
Usedbeef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit the movie.
baconlovebacon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:11:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm relatively young (23) so I have high hopes that we will start a colony, however small it may be, on the moon or another planet. As a species we need to either cut down on our reproduction rate or find more space for our ridiculous quantities of offspring. Hell, I change my answer to humanity simply admitting that we have or are about to have an overpopulation crisis.
Marrks23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me ending college
captainshapiro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A permanent base on the Moon.
X0AN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stoping humans aging.
MarxistFantasies ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial general intelligence. For the record I'm 26 and believe it will happen in my lifetime
PunkorTrendy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:12:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World war iii
Pepsi_Cola64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of another planet
IVIaskerade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reinstatement of a proper monarchical system, societal rejection of progressivism/marxism/calvinism, and a return to above-replacment-level birthrates in the west.
space_ape71 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Environmental restoration and fully renewable energy.
dcbrat0123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace on earth for fudge sakes.
Something-i-dunno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For 2D feature length animation to be made by American film studios again.
Mangerkin12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sex bots that refuse to date me.
lencastre ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
kris220b ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Art that actually looks like something.
rebekha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Glanding
Coralthefish ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:13:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human extinction
--IIII--------IIII-- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of the two party system in the United States of America.
MKD7036611 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
South Africa electing a president who isn't a laughing stock
trus_me-am_spaceman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crispr turning me into a 6'4" greekodonis i know that's probably not possible but I just like to think crispr is magic
simsil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI and conscious robotics
onyxorion10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:14:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Erasure of famine
wasdused ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me being happy
HardcoreBabyface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human on Mars, colony on the Moon, sustainable energy grid, Kingdom Hearts 3 released. You know, impossible stuff.
skinnymin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonism to other planets
StevieCGaming ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:15:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world running nearly entirely on clean energy
RAYMEL510 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True democracy in america
dsailo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bylaws in all major cities requiring buildings to have solar panels on wasted roof space.
AquaEmpoleon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see gene splicing to the extent that we can create new animals. Lizard and a bat you got a dragon. Horse and a narwhal you got a unicorn.
nate1235 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism
nathanmaas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a transition to a non-monetary economy.
the next generation of cities and transportation infrastructure.
mars and moon colonies.
artifical intelligence.
nuclear disarmament.
as wild as it may sound, i think we could realistically achieve all five within fifty years.
SellMeBtc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon
BelovedApple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
non corrupt governments. Would be nice if the people running our countries were not shills.
Wow_Unique_Username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The success of cryogenics and DNA repair, that way my lifetime won't end.
Pattims70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I like to see mankind and women kind to come together and work for the betterment of this world for everyone not just a selected few RICH men and women.
gordonfroman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel or at least far reaching space travel capable of taking us beyond IO or even Titan
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dr assisted suicide for depression would be awesome, and it's very much needed for me... instead I have to buy a gun and hope I don't miss the brainstem
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:17:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have heated floors, so why can't we have cooled pillows?
gio96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solution for male pattern baldness
iamzsdawgy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk if this counts as "human achievement" but the fall of north korea
Wow_Unique_Username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:18:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cheap way to desalinate water.
princeapalia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone to climb Olympus Mons on Mars
benlikesdamusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with intelligent life
GOATBrady ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
Notmyfaultatall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Spiderdogs.
higuita1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:19:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace.
Ganjiste ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Countries working together Instead of making international Dick contest
Mastermachetier ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Major reduction in poverty
dekydoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colony on Mars
Mockxx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ideally, immortality. Not like a permanent kind but a kind that will let me live healthy until I decide I've had enough of life.
Granted I'm pretty close to having enough of life already and I'm nowhere near dying of old age
psychedelicrevival ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to record and playback our dreams.
cooter629 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People being decent human beings during interactions with retail and food service workers.
davegir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:20:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space elevator. Huge upfront cost....but the asteroid of pure platnum!
JustSkillfull ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of fossil fuels
/u/justskillfull to become world leader
chopstock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything slowing the f**k down - like snails pace. Time to smell the roses. Waking up & all you have to do that day is read a book. I'd love that!
zxcsd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:21:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of religion
AlohaItsASnackbar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
theonlyxero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hover-board from Back To The Future. When i was a kid that was all i wanted!
123wilfred123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:22:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That over time and time the bourgeoisie wil be a very small group of people and that the bourgeoisie has al the money and the workers (than almost every one) have no choice and must revolt in a world revolution and create a socialist state (or anarchy)
HobanTheMan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more fucking traffic.
cowprince ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wrangling and mining of an asteroid. Also I can't be the only one who would find the job title 'Asteroid wrangler' awesome.
lawless13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The asshole in front of me using his blinker
usfchem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
227 kg (500 lb) snatch. Current world record is 217 kg
273 kg (601 lb) clean and jerk. Current world record is 263 kg.
Basically the next 100 lb milestone in r/weightlifting
Reaching2Hard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Federally legal marijuana in the USA. And the end of the War on Drugs.
bulbouscorm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A manned Lunar base. I'm a simple man with simple needs.
paidinboredom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel. I'd give almost anything to go back and hang out with my brother one more time.
ichakas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Igiveuppickinganame ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone properly uses a coconut.
Rookwood ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The return of a more egalitarian society and a focus on progress for all, rather than profit which only benefits the few.
steggo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fast, affordable rural internet.
DavidChristen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end to organised religion.
fielderwielder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien Human Human threesome.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teacup kittens.
MooseMalloy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction.
jordhendren ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Undeniable proof that there is or is not a god.
Wow_Unique_Username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A winning lottery ticket worth over 10 million dollars, in my hand, with my signature on the back. On my way to collect.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space exploration that's not held back by politics. Hell, I wouldn't mind if all I saw was another mission like the Mars Rover on the moon. But seeing as how we're so fond of bickering amongst ourselves and name calling I doubt I'll get to see much.
Disrupturous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind's ability to create a better society after nuclear war.
draconiclyyours ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:24:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to ignore the depressing crap getting upvoted.
Y'all need something. What, I don't know, but something.
What I want to see:
Sadly, I'm not likely to see any of these, with the exception of the Humans on Mars one. Elon is gonna get that one done, if he's gotta push the fucking shuttle there himself.
Wow_Unique_Username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An alien, not a bacteria or ameba, an honest to God bipedal ALIEN.
DeepFriedCircuits ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being middle class at least.........
Edit: Ohhhhhh for the world. Ok: Nanocomputers, VI (virtual intelligence, which would be better than AI), the US have a total reform of laws (single payer health insurance, cheaper universities, mandatory 4 week vacation days per year for workers, prison system reform like Portugal, decriminalization of all drugs worldwide because enforcement does nothing at all...hmmmm what else am I missing? Oh abolition of all religion specifically with Christians and Islam beliefs)
callmeMrThumper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see the discovery of life on another planet. Or a world without nuclear weapons.
malignantmelanoma123 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think there are two major catastrophes that are pretty close. The one is nuclear war โฆ but the public doesnโt know. I mean the general public is unaware. Professional literature is very clear that the threat is high and growing. And the other is environmental catastrophe, which will come. We donโt know when, but you can already see the signs. If we could secure ourselves from these horrors in my lifetime I will be happy. The first one is easy to solve, the second will require some work.
Rightbrainn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a non permanent solution to male birth control would be a huge achievement.
YourSenpai_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure to male baldness
DAVasquez- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:26:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The total obliteration of organized for profit religion.
zombiehunter201 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
us reaching mars in 2030
Wow_Unique_Username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Harlem Globetrotters get beat
SushiJuice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity
That_Half_Breed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crazt performance enhancing body mods (wings, extra strength.. real xmen stuff)
Wow_Unique_Username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LeBron James leave Cleveland again.
kaos701a ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:28:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Water proof socks.
buickman104 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp Drive
Wow_Unique_Username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the Candy Crush trail.
Gil_Blue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:29:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A standing double backfli..... Oh nevermind
GoodTimesDadIsland ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% accurate Sega Saturn emulation.
A_Sitting_Wall ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mars colony
Wow_Unique_Username ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death penalty legal in all 50 states.
minimaldrobe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:30:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A universal declaration of animal rights. It's only got a few thousand years of philosophical and social debate leading to it.
shwiftme360 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of mars... hopefully within the next 60 years
gets_that_reference_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The safe and humane transition to a post-scarcity society.
WolvesCallum ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advancements in robotics to the point we see in sci-fi movies
ikeabillybookcase ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure to ulcerative colitis and Crohn's disease
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me finding a girlfriend. It's a stretch I know.
burnt_nipple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intergalactic space travel. We need to get a jump on it now if humanity is to be anything like what it is for the Master Chief.
i_am_not_an_apple ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Level 5 autonomy
sushiroll68 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making it to where we can live forever
bingostar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rule out cancer
rrarth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:31:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Access to clean drinking water for everyone. Seriously, it's time
schaffy52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cancer treatment that doesn't just kill the patient more slowly than the cancer itself
Ryeguart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know that this isnโt the best use of scientific breakthroughs, and most likely will not have a great effect on the world, but I would love to see the self-driving cars from Minority Report be a real thing. I know that there are some self-driving cars of the Google variety, and I wouldnโt be surprised by other companies doing the same, but I feel that would be the greatest way to get time back.
Youโre still going to be commuting, so youโre not gaining actual time, but gaining the commute time to do whatever you need, which should hopefully eliminate stresses from driving/road rage/etc. I know that when I used to ride the bus to and from work, it was clunky and slower, but I was able to rest and relax all the way home as opposed to being pissed off all the way there, and for a solid hour after getting home.
The computer system will guide all vehicles to a 0 collision, 0 traffic, smooth journey each time. Fuck auto insurance for BS claims; the only way that weโll be making claims would be natural disasters.
prunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to diseases that can be managed with vaccines.
Youtoo2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality for me
DevsMetsGmen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:32:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see some sort of progress towards light speed travel. Like, an engine that lets us cruise our own universe at impossibly high speeds by today's standards.
I love the ideas in here so far, but the reality of space travel and contact with other worlds is that if we can't get some serious speed going, our universe will just become our own personal prison, eventually.
I don't expect to see us get very far, but it would be nice to see the dominoes begin to fall, with some serious advances that will eventually extrapolate out to something bigger well after I am gone.
hokonfan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HD e-ink monitor
Sioswing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
SaltyWidow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replace your eyeballs with synthetic ones.
p1l2a3n4e5t ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stopping world temp rising above 2 degrees.
baldurs_mate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For Sumail to actually become an astronaut
ZeroFawkes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The United States figuring out healthcare...
Friendral ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
With increasing desperation, I hope that we can avert global, catastrophic, climate change. Most articles I've read lately give us only a 5-10% chance to avoid an irreversible shitshow of mega-droughts, Monsoons*5, and 85 becoming the new 'chilly.'
lunarman52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people learn the difference between pictures and reality. And I really want to see people learn why they start hiding and to just stop hiding.
Daren9394 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A country or city of all enlightened people.
Headinclouds100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fucking stabilized climate please. Should be at the top of the list. Also mammoths:)
WumperD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bringing back extinct animals like mammoths trough cloning.
casinokid21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The day where people no longer leave shit or piss on public toilet seats
qwertycash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of feminism, social justice and the radical left.
JaceTheAuthor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Terraforming and colonisation of Mars
BlakAcid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see a better option for long-term chronic pain. There's so many problems, accidents, diseases, etc that cause lasting pain which can drastically lower someone's quality of life. We have tons of options for accute, short term pain though.
Rchjayhawk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace?
redrumray ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
to develop a urinal that is splash back free.
That_Half_Breed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion
d15ma11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:36:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Religions becoming obsolete. This seems like such a far cry but I think it would the next best thing for mankind as a whole.
EvaRage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for male pattern baldness
everydayisstorytime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer, heart disease, and diabetes. I think that trio of diseases just ravages entire families.
-Metacelsus- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The widespread adoption of human gene editing. It has the potential to prevent so much suffering from disease.
Tobi_Sings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stasis of some form. Would love to see some persevered a long time then awoken/reanimated in the future.
rolexus2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation or a transporter beam
KellerMB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Room temperature superconductors.
Fusion generators.
Asteroid capture and space-based mining and manufacturing.
Vault_Metal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:38:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, the Cubs won the series, so the thing I DIDN'T want to see happen happened.
Megboss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A better cure/treatment for mental illness. Psychiatrist are just basically guessing when it comes to medication and therapy can only do so much. Right now it's about learning to live with your struggles, not curing them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reddit banning reposts
badpolimath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense
itwontdie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:39:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humankind being free from rulers. The concept of authority in and of itself is anti-human and horribly destructive.
astalavista114 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just so you know, that is a 100% guaranteed way to achieve total anarchy, and no one can prevent it because to so would be to exercise some kind of authority.
itwontdie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sort of. Here is the full explanation.
ktbugrl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:40:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
PeanutPounder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:41:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of fractional reserve banking.
Ancharkles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans on Mars in some form
___LOOPDAED___ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:42:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The third book in the King Killer Chronicles.
Pantidote ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:43:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hanzo being on the payload
DrNick2012 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just changing ANYTHING for the better so I could die knowing the world is becoming a better place. I know that it is becoming a safer place than ever but I mean a big change, like bringing stability to a third world country or peace to some or even all of the middle East. It's a pipe dream sure, even moreso than space travel probably, but I'd love to see it.
SAnthonyH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion. Fuck, it's only 50 years away.
nuport12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:48:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robo ducks
freeskier217 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligent life on other planets and big scary stuff in the undiscovered parts of the ocean
lyradunord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crispr to be accessible to humans with genetic illnesses. In part because it's cool, but also because it's the only way for me to have a lifespan longer than about 40.
Bart_avila93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Light speed duh
LegendaryOrchid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proving there is life on other planets and/or galaxies
13lack1ce ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:53:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars. We were promised them back in the 1960's. It's time for them now!
Smaidz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
comfortable interstellar travel, I mean zipping star systems like we do cities now, Mass Effect style. ๐
Prerogativ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:55:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must have just been born. I'm 22 and I don't see this ever happening while I'm alive.
Smaidz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a man can dream...
Prerogativ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be fucking awesome. But man i don't even see my grand kids living that life
Smaidz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yeah... where's a few revolutionary geniuses when you need them, huh...
magerehenk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of mars
Kehpyi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality - let me ride forever!
CariocaArgentino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:54:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster Than Light Travel
fox438 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legit end to racism, human trafficking, and liberalism.
FlyingPheonix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone here is thinking small potatoes... I want to see Mars fully colonized with monthly safe trips between our two planets of 3 days or less.
I also want humans to unite as a single identify (put aside race, religion, nationality)
Old_Deadhead ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human/coconut hybrid.
Comeonsista ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of all oppression against women and girls. No more child marriage. No more cutting off little girl's clits, no more forcing women to wear black sacks
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, so I can see every future achievement within my lifetime.
circadiankruger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:55:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Intelligent AI, including cyborgs and androids.
Sonikado ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting a proper girlfriend
The-Swat-team ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing mars, warp drives, asteroid mining, moon mining
Necromorph1941 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clean up the air and ocean now that we have tech to do both.
youngroca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Escaping the friendzone
hairybrains ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Verification that life--any life, even just a microbe--exists on another planet.
UrbanRenegade19 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not so much of an achievement or innovation, but I want space travel to be open to the public. I'm only 26 and I do keep track of what SpaceX is up to. It's not as noble as world peace or curing diseases but dammit I want to go to space.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:56:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Your waifu not being trash.
dusup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full marijuana legalization...
HunterSDrunkson ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Us landing on the moon
Evilsj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That secret plan he had to defeat ISIS is going swimmingly.
Silent_rain_drops ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A world where people govern themself.
la44y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That the stargate program will become public
ConscientiousApathis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:57:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Viable sustainable nuclear fusion rectors. Once we have those we'll pretty much have all the energy we need anywhere we go.
shippymcshipface ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An easy fix for speech impediments.
terribleheadache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gay marrige in australia but like fo real this time
Here-we-gooooo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First of all let's start with clean water for every human. Nothing worse than being thirsty en mi opiniรณn
joselrl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Even if on life support for the rest of my life, I want my brain to see the evolution...
terribleheadache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An actual AI
Allaboutrandom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
terribleheadache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:00:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Body swapping
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of life from non living components in a laboratory.
terribleheadache ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin at 50000
TryToHelpPeople ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation.
Nothing less.
squirrelslovenutella ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:01:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing, aging telemorase etc solved and the dfs sale to finally end.
MoarPotatoTacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:02:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd be pretty happy if people stopped wasting salespeoples time. Sure, some salesmen are aggressive, but delaying saying no isnt going to make them leave you alone faster. Telling them no will, though.
Also if guys could stop sending dick pics, and pulling out their dick when nobody asked to see it, my life would be 100% better.
ForeverElway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self driving cars!
baoparty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful Teleportation of people.
Riskebiscuit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:03:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using CRISPR to eliminate birth defects and not to mention prevent people being born with physical and mental disabilities.
SecondCumming2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A full understanding and completion of a unified theory, thereby giving us true meaning of our given universe and all that it encompasses
ilikepickles00 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:04:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For education materials to be free and available to everyone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
santaclausewine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cure
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:05:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The first functioning warp drive, or similar
CanadianJogger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see discovery of life somewhere other than earth. Not "little green men from mars" so much as simpler forms, which seems much more likely. Bacteria, worms, mollusks, crabs, something fish like perhaps.
I want to see the eradication of the Guinea Worm in Jimmy Carter's lifetime. He's worked hard for decades to achieve it, and he is 92, and had brain cancer a few years ago.
So far in 2017, there are only 5 reported cases world wide, and 25 in 2016! Down from millions in the 1980s. It could really happen, and that old man should go to his rest with the satisfaction of seeing that horror gone for all eternity.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:06:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understand dark matter and an advanced, alien civilization.
SleuthMechanism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sufficiently advanced cybernetics and synthetic bodies really. So sick of these uncooperative fleshbags!
Automation becoming a good thing rather than a "bad" thing and the emergence of a 4 hour work week being the standard. There is no feasible reason in this modern world other than dated societal systems people have to fight tooth and nail for the "right" to spend 80% of their daily time doing a menial task for another.
Higher education being about learning above all else rather than competition
quyax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see non-chemical (is that the right word?) space travel established as possible, even if only mathematically.
king-_-friday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:07:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cordless everything: toasters, vacuums, televisions, EVERYTHING!
We can put a man on the moon...
Rippedsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 57 game hit streak
saidA2000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
vtols take can take you straight from the earth to space, the moon etc
king-_-friday ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:08:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cordless everything: toasters, vacuums, televisions, EVERYTHING!
We can put a man on the moon...
leetee91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:09:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Invention of a real triquarter
raginphoenixx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity
nmgonzo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:15:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop cpconut rape
ThumpinThighs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:16:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I better die on an alien planet!
Floppal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:17:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for old age.
DisposableBandaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power plants with accompanying cheap kw/h prices. I want to use so much electricity! I'd keep my a/c thermostat set to arctic temperature.
preecisely ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skate 4.
GieterHero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lightsabers.
prank-_-sinatra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:18:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lightsabers
Towelielie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars
found_a_yeti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Negative emissions
direwooolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a man turn himself into a pickle
Takbeir ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ron Swanson
MrDwarthVader ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:19:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Hoverboard. A real one that floats like an feet above the ground!
MrsArmipace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extraterrestrial contact
mrembo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2-hour marathon. We're so close!
Pexd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion
slybee115 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Baldness will be a cool style one day. People with shaved heads will be everywhere. I hope to live to that day and laugh at them while I have a mane of curls.
Cataloniandevil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Already seen the cure for Hep C, would love to see another terminal disease eradicated. Also, the his living wage thing Zuc keeps talking about sounds pretty good.
Paintedstars7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using Crispr to make yourself into a furry/neko girl... Or being ageless... And / or the first fornication with an alien species. Lol.
badguur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens.
billingsminimumOG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
RobDanRan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to download human consciousness into a robot or another body
Fire2box ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:20:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
proliferation of nuclear power and the cease of using coal power plants.
Which should be amusing because we know how. We just don't for some reason. Yeah yeah, Chernobyl, Fukushima, "Not in my backyard!" We've learned from mistakes and I'm reasonably sure gas refineries have had more deaths then all nuclear power here in the US.
Solar is pretty cool but it works something like half the time, nearly requires clear days.
wind turbines are massive and dear god if you live in the shadow of one.
thesedogdayz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Near certain discovery that life exists on another planet.
ax_colleen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CRISPR put into use to cure debilitating illnesses. Like what kurzesagt said, we are denying babies for the cure.
I know there are complications and ethical issues, but I don't want future children to suffer like me.
th3Fonz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:21:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of capitalism
SorryToSay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see /r/LifeProTips finally shut down.
ProbablyanEagleShark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bionics and genetic modification becoming widespread.
ka5h91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse the co2 emissions that humans generated in the first place.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Dimensional door to everywhere. That is literally my dream
matthewdotjpg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hover boards! I guess I've seen some that aren't even ready to be able to be sold to people or some that uses fans that are REALLY loud. But I want a full on hover board like some back to the future shit that shit is so cool.
magzma16 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The decrease of the human population. Even by a little, seeing a stabilized growth would be hopeful.
balloonmax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advancements in transportation that would render air travel obsolete
Abduco ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uploading our consciousness/person into electronics. Limitless opportunities and artificial immortality. I don't have a desire to live forever, but I would love to extend my life long enough to see major advances in human history that Galen after ~100 years.
xXReggieXx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A post-work era; money doesn't exist and AI will do work for us. A bit like communism but no one does work and everyone is rich, so the issues communism brings in todays world are gone.
Dilplok ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovery of life beyond Earth. Only if they're friendly though. :)
EdwardStarbuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation.
And Digiorno pizza that makes you more fit.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Our Failure.
ttailorswiftt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
homewrecker07 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human consciousness uploaded
Jack_Haamilton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NICE TRY ELON MUSK
Pokemaster_D ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People not being assholes to other people.
MAD_OR_NAW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:24:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality
recon-troop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no more preorders for video games
linguisticabstractn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The use of CRISPR to cure genetic autoimmune disorders like lupus. It's beginning to seem possible!
jackraw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Food that fills you but puts on 1% of the weight ones do now (the others will still be there in case you need some fat)
ashenmagpie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens? Do aliens count?
I just really want aliens in my life.
buckythomas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:25:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. As in a peace coexistence with other people, regardless of race, nationality, religion or sexuality etc. I would want to see violent crimes end, wars end, people living in honest peaceful coexistence. Any crimes at all to end. Would be even better if we could learn to coexist with the rest of the planets life forms too. No animals hurt or dying, whether through losing habitats or poaching, but also via meat egg and dairy farming.
But humans as a species will never come close to either of my ideals, because we are a horrid species. Personally I feel as if we are the worse type of life form in existence.
Sidion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some form of real unification across the planet.
It'd be the single biggest human achievement we could ever hope for. It's not likely to ever happen, but I value that over seeing renewable energy personally.
CloudaneUK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global nuclear disarmament would be quite nice (I mean yeah there's all the star trek stuff, but to be honest I'll settle for just not wiping ourselves out)
Mediumcomputer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological immortality
DOLCICUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:26:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dallas Cowboys Vs. Houston Texans Superbowl game.
CRUMPETKILLA187 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to move your consciousness into a machine or an empty body at will. That way when your body dies you can move your being into something else.
michaeligray77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
350ppm atmospheric CO2
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want us all to stop fighting each other, and fighting in general
Naive, maybe, but I can dream
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The elimination of government
komandantmirko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a rotating wheel space station
basically a space station with artificial gravity.
h0lym0nk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:27:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting to a point where national identities aren't important. Uniting to a point where regional, continental, or even global governance is an effective and normalised thing
(Where citizens still have individual liberties and an accountable government, of course)
Akumoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Only having to pay for the 15 channels that you actually watch.
lotad567 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The technology that enables us to play games like sword art online. Oh also uploading the human brain to the Internet where the government will forever keep you.
vwrage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Massive amounts of salt filter equipment all along coasts of the world.
FangedMink5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Elon musk going to Mars.
Areonaux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned landing on mars
peacebuster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal healthcare (sorry, non-Americans).
MeechyyDarko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:28:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Phone battery life that lasts longer than 6 hours
ZMowlcher ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:29:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The continental mega highway connecting NY to UK.
Fluffy_data_doges ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A chip that goes in your head for virtual reality gaming. I hope my retirement will be like that.
POINTSOFFWINS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
Einsteinbomb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see our world's infrastructure drastically improved. Seeing new or repaired highways/roads, sea/space ports, airports, dams, bridges, high-speed rail and fiber optic cables connecting us all.
BananaWilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full disclosure
PunkZdoc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A pill that actually makes you lose weight.
Failed_Alchemist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:30:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion
eharper9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life outside of earth. Intelligent or not.
saqademus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:31:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity
Argon1124 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality
soparamens ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A program about mass sterilization of humans and a very complex process to be allowed to reproduce.
darr76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Even if we don't formulate a treatment or cure I want an understanding of the Alzheimer's disease process. We generally know how it works, but not the details or why it happens.
On a morbid note, I kinda hope I see who NK shoots with their nukes, even thought it will probably be the US.
Scared_stiff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
ryabauer94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:33:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a human head transplant that's supposed to occur later this year. Looking forward to seeing whether it's possible or not.
jbhilt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
indefinitely extend human life
AemsOne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing.
always4irish320 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income
WaterMerloen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Something that can help balding guys to grow their hair back (I'm 17 years old and I'm starting to slowly get bald)
ProfTeamun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MAN ON MARS WITH A GOOD ONE LINER LIKE THE MOON ONE
mariobat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear weapon disarmament! We probably will never get rid of all of them, but bringing the number down to double digits or singel digits total would mean a lot!
Rocky87109 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:34:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see major improvements in drug development. Cures for depression.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI that was more smart then humans
Jack_Nukem ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:35:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jontron uploading a new video.
arvidp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eternal life ๐
aaraujo1973 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jesus
Im_Chandlah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub 5:30 2K erg.
RomanTheDragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Geneticists mastering CRISPR
Killroy118 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:36:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetics, namely optical implants. Eye problems are far more widespread than most think, and the ability to enhance(i.e. bring up to normal standards) my vision would be a game changer for my life.
guitargod1174 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:37:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
357eve ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure Alzheimer's
Fenrrito ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:38:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact, that way u could say good bye to sooo much douchebaggery among humans, either we are invaded or we are puched to change for the better.
Mrclap ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
global education standards with real laws forcing them regardless of religious cultures.
digitalis303 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:39:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
stopping climate change. There really is no more pressing thing we need to accomplish. It sucks that the biggest achievement in my lifetime should be to undo the achievement we've accomplished largely in my (and my parents') lifetime, but there it is
apoorvm91 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:40:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global Zero - No nuclear weapons on the planet! For uninitiated, https://www.globalzero.org/
The_Bishop82 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hell, I'd be really happy if we could have another human being set foot on another planet/moon. I'd be happy if we'd just return to our moon!
littlelove1975 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for all cancers. Watching my 3 year old fight through leukemia completely broke me. He has a very good prognosis and is doing well with his continued treatment, but I just can't move forward or come to terms with the fact that my toddler had cancer.
WillSmiff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:41:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A global awareness of what our planet is all about and the desire to collectively stop, pardon my french, "shitting where we eat".
win927 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity
aaraujo1973 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:48:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I for one look forward to our robot overlords
k3surfacer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see humans finally achieve humanity.
kaity3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe not the biggest concern like some of the other comments on this thread, but I'd like to see Crazy Horse in South Dakota get finished. I visited there a few summer ago and it was nice, would be cool to go back on day see it completed.
Nadieestaaqui ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The widespread notion that other people have opinions about things, and that those opinions are not a direct threat to anyone.
Looking around this thread, I think this is what we need to achieve most of all.
Dash_Underscore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:42:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jet packs.
zhandragon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Genome editing of biological immortality in adult humans.
lt_dan_zsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Disregarding things I'm almost positive will happen like seeing cancer "cured," my biggest hope is to see interstellar travel.
ergzay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The start of a civilization on Mars.
_THESilver ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned colonies set up on mars, and commercialized teleportation. Being very young right now I hope these are possible.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real sasquatch!!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:43:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permafrost ice cream.
Reluks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extinction of modern feminism.
aaraujo1973 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virgin
JFMX1996 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Explored our oceans.
We've honestly explored and mapped out more of Mars than we have our own ocean.
We don't know what's down there, what nations have withered away and been swallowed by the seas. The vast depths of the oceans hold many mysteries that could lead us to great knowledge.
The way we try to explore and know other planets when we don't even know about 70% of our own is something rather worthy of a chuckle.
taoisms ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fucking world peace. Disarming of all nukes. A commitment to ensuring the world we live on is prosperous (for everyone) and taken care of, before we branch out and colonize/destroy any habitable planet.
Toasted-Dinosaur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proving/disproving the Riemann hypothesis.
MushroomFungie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality pill ofc
UserColonAl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer. Or at least a treatment that reduces it to a chronic condition, rather than fatal.
Alejandro4891 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
colonization of other planets and being able to travel from one to another, like we do with countries/continents.
denzyilmaz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:44:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
bluetaquitos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyperloop that can travel at tremendous speeds. I want to travel from L.A. to New York in less than an hour.
igi1477 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting laid
Heliocentrist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robot bodies
Steveknowsbest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:45:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of genetically modified bees that fuck a lot and don't die from bee aids.
joshjje ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A break of current understanding of physics or human physiology. Something that contradicts prevailing thinking/theories.
SeanK35 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some way of being able to record your dreams and watch them on the tv
wilk3ns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some technique to prevent aging. After that interstellar travel will be next thing as there is not going to be a problem with travel time
aaraujo1973 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact
Prettygoodusernm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:46:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The singularity.
pika680 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
JackioHarrison ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding aliens
NeonCheese1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:47:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Understanding the meaning of life.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humanity has put this one up on a pedastle so damn long that theres no way its going to be anything but a disappointment.
I think we already know the answer and its not that exciting. But even if there is some alternate realm of existence with a hidden meaning. I guarentee its not going to be all that satisfying.
NeonCheese1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ok
NihilisticNomes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to put a human brain in a fully functioning superior android body.
We could live a fuck ton longer, there wouldn't be any more autoimmune diseases or really diseases of any kind, and it's a recyclable body!
CheesyBennington ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Virtual REALITY. Like, going inside a video game world.
Partexedd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good future for the son i would want to have.
RoadT30 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for CTE or at least more awareness to how much it can impact mental health.
EvilPatata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People realise that being a little shit is not a positive contribution to society
bdonaghy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:48:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dismantling of the military industrial complex and a determined focus on free education and health insurance for all.
Fatesurge ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Any kind of moral development; technological is a side fluffery.
Eastwoody ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Male enhancers that work
Viking18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:50:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The sun setting on the Empire. In April, 2432.
AlJo27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:51:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First female MLB player
Gray_Upsilon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial intelligence that is capable of legit conversation and not something like Cleverbot.
Cybernetic bodies would be pretty tight, too. Or building a colony on another planet.
evictor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:52:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
westworld style sexual companions you can switch off when they start to become annoying
Saeedbest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Treatment for tinnitus
Ididnotpostthat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cleaning up the Chesapeake bay. I want to look down and see at least a few inches of clear water in the Baltimore harbor
elguerodiablo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:53:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quadruple anal.
mikehuebner ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reaching Top 500 in Overwatch.
wes205 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more homelessness, governments fully taking care of folks who are down and out.
Commissar_Genki ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to transfer a conscious brain to a digital medium.
fourthords ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:54:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-driving cars. I can't deal with the stupidity anymore.
BHMusic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally moving on from Bronze Age superstitions and belief systems.
HBlight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Economical artificial meat. Hell, print something fully grown without a brain/nervous system.
I'm no vegan/vegetarian but I would take the option of less suffering. Also, I know a vegan and holy shit is it hard finding food for them, I wanted to buy them a snack. :(
Hell, it also means we can try eat even the rare and cute animals meat without having to harm them. The Galapagos tortoise is apparently delicious!
I imagine a future with massive town-sized skyscraper farms and animal factories. Hopefully that will mean more space for nature to be nature, and more places where man can settle since the logistical demands could be more forgiving.
xyl0ph0ne ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see people on Mars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the money, the women, the fortune and fame
PacamaHM ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The periodic table going to Element 130. Getting to 119 is already extremely difficult, but it would be amazing to see it get to 130.
Mr_Vilu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:55:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
eradication of stupid celebrities
manicapathy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete nuclear disarmament.
RobbieMcSkillet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:56:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel. Even one-way. Just being able to go that fast/far
mcc1923 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some form of better/alternate transportation. It's the one thing that has barely technologically advanced in 100 yrs as opposed to computers, phones, medicine, etc.
Sanhael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see someone walk on Mars, but I'd prefer a permanent base and mining operation on the Moon. I think that would do a lot more to kickstart our exploration and habitation of the solar system.
mcc1923 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:57:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also world peace.
ElPresidenteCamacho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to talk about cancer like we talk about the cold now. "It's crazy to think this used to kill people."
Kihlstadius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Auto lacing shoes, of all the things we didn't get from back to the future, that was the one thing I was actually expecting to get.
Johannes_silentio ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:58:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not dying.
reddituser84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloning a woolly mammoth
Twerkgot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FALGSC
Paul-grizz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people with missing limbs,etc get fully working robotic parts, like if an army vet loses a leg he/she can get a robotic one..
Seen a video lately about a child being able to move a kinda robotic hand? (3D printed one maybe) I thought it was cool as fuck
StiinkyBird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Life beyond Earth
darkeningsoul ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Travelling at the speed of light for large scale vessels
FourteenOhFive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:00:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A time where the economy doesn't fuel greed, and gluttony.
Toibiu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A disease spread throughout all of mankind infecting everyone with a virus that renders people incapable of lying.
Dapianoman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human. Mars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI girlfriend
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for death.
pumpbreaks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:01:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone eat 200 chicken Mac nuggets
ToastedMemes12321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
fogcity89 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Floyd Mayweather losing
Zeqinl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
3rats1frog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be the first motherfucker to see a new galaxy. Find a new alien life form..... and fuck it. People will be like "There he goes, Homeboy fucked a Martian once."
clinkyec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wouldn't martians be in this Galaxy tho?
3rats1frog ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 00:36:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You got me on that one. It's from a movie though
cabla99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:02:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human rights
psdao1102 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:03:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to immortalize humans
MpVpRb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see the unification of quantum theory and general relativity
But at age 64, I'm not hopeful
TacticalBacon8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3 for the love of god
godfather33087 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police not just killing people when they are "scared".
igame2much ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:04:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% Sustainability, Literacy, and employment.
jcnemyer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M.A.R.S. Mars, bitches.
veganishell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
E Liquid that taste like real cigaret
AdmiralMal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:05:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Live forever
superflippy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of having to remember 100+ username/password combos.
NilacTheGrim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-fellating Steve Bannons.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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clinkyec ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice try, skynet.
poppinfresh417 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:06:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace โ๐ผ
Blackkit27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
Esquiror ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:07:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally becoming a type I civilization on the Kardashev scale.
Andy4574 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel
WDMC-905 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:08:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel.
ShadoWolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:09:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hands down an Orbital Ring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMbI6sk-62E
Orange_Owl01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of stupidity and closed minds....hey I can dream!
Gangstarville ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind having a BBQ on Mars
Johninja321 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:10:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human hybrids.
Noiprox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quite a few possibilities here: - Overcoming climate change (i.e. being able to sequester as much carbon as we emit) - Defeating some of the most pernicious diseases such as malaria and cancer - Affordable space tourism (spend a month on a space station for $10k) - Direct neural interfaces that will make humans essentially telepathic - Extending human lifespans to well beyond a century - Constructing a robust general artificial intelligence - Fusion power to make energy abundant - Total elimination of extreme poverty - Colonizing another planet or a moon
sambealllikeyo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial and indistinguishable from animal sourced meats. There's be huge transition issues from current practices. But it'd be great if we could reset our relationship to what, turns out to be, remarkably intelligent and emotional animals.
kirakun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Westworld.
DirtyyyWork ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:11:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The destruction of all prejudice. Although I know that's just wishful thinking.
designate_event ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:13:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cellular repair.
shuriga92 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Skyrim played on a piece of paper
AbhorAWhore ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making artificial banana taste like real banans
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
half life 3
stifflersmom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:15:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sharks with laser beams
Nonex359 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% virtual reality gaming. Think SAO
not_a_robot20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing mars
wageslave85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:16:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Y'all are ahooting for the moon. I'd be happy (and suprised) if we nailed a full conversion to electric vehicles by the time I die and im only 32. Dont get me wrong I'm all for some version of limitless clean energy but thats got so many geo political hurdles to overcome that it seems unlikely in the next 70 years.
iongantas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable immortality.
altrsaber ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality at a price I can afford.
PDNYFL ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Voluntary declining population
THE_TamaDrummer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete transition to clean energy
meceng97 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
mayaruv ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:17:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for all STDs including HIV and AIDs
mr_____awesomeqwerty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
great wall of America built
kutwijf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind working together and finding solutions to combat climate change/global warming.
BlooFlea ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of racism.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pigs flying.
SwagmasterRS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:18:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An OG TI victory
Soru999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding a cure for cancer would be pretty nice I guess.
guidedbytacos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replacement teeth that are indestructible. Like Thompson's Teeth from Futurama.
I had a shady dentist that faked a dozen cavities when I was in my mid-teens. Those unnecessary fillings have caused pain and problems over the years.
At0micFury ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FTL travel
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we can turn a man into a woman, we can definitely land on mars or europa.
dreamdive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First female president of USA, seeing a human land on Mars, a cure for people with severe allergies to peanuts/tree nuts/seafood/etc. (there has to be something out there), people actually giving a shit about the Earth. It's not hard to start innovations that continue to make life easier but also protect Earth, people and governments rather just don't care enough to impose any true form of law worldwide.
a_bit_fob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:19:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reduction in world poverty. It is actually completely possible given how much food, clothes, energy, resources ect that first world countries waste. Especially food - it is disgusting how many tons of food is simply thrown out when people are starving. I hope to see a better diversion of resources that will mean things are shared not wasted.
Pachi2Sexy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common use of cyrogenics even for the legally not dead or if I were rich rare use of cyrogenics even for the legally not dead.
schm0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Right now I'd settle for all of the baby boomers dying so we can make some progress in this country.
tjip721 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully renewable energy usage and reversal of global warming.
Rannelbrad ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:20:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functional immortality.
long_tyme_lurker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FUCKING INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL WHAT ELSE
cockknocker1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shields, warp field, lets do this!
listenForward ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some polictial dramawith some real stakes and a real message. How about:
Democratically-ratified public execution of a standing US president, excommunication of all direct family, followed by a liquidation of all their financial holdings to be donated toward Planned Parenthood and NORML.
flyinglifeaway ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:21:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Somehow being able to look much younger, and age less, and less painfully.
s-abf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyperloop
Gilly_24 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:22:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Tolerance
banannixx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For different people to stop trying to fucking kill each other over the dumbest shit, such as religion, or flat out having a different opinion on something.
bakedpotato486 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to take care of the one planet we've got at the moment.
dksoulstice ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal common sense
47bananas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% conversion from fossil fuels.
Damorbid1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:24:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The loremaster
osmosisparrot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for tinnitus.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The computerization of the whole mass of Earth thanks to nanobots.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy
vanquish349 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:25:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Room temperature super conductors
thesesimplewords ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Diabetes cured. Like REALLY cured. So that every diabetic has access to a cure and it makes more sense to cure it than treat it.
I must get a few articles a week about hopeful cures. It has hard to not be jaded after decades of that.
edit: typo
No_Skilz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing what's beyond the universe.
PhilllChabbb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income.
ValenTK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
ChiRaeDisk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Effective nerve splicing. You'll solve your physiological problems in one fell swoop. Transhumanism will be much more popular. Robotic limbs with proper receptors will be a thing. People can realistically be whatever sex they want to. Furries can do their thing. Paralyzed individuals will be able to walk (with the availability of more precise robotic surgery and algorithmic nerve mapping to cater to each individual). Lou Gehrig's disease won't be a death sentence. Retardation can be effectively treated and bring individuals to their full potential. We will be limitless.
znhunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Body mods. Like deus ex. But they work, and don't create an entirely new kind of infectious cancer.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:26:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
destruction of half population
ManEatingGnomes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When it's legal to ride into a large playground on my cow with three battle axes on my back, with full armor for me and my cow, and lay claim to the playground and the children within I will be happy.
tharubixcube ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:28:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The complete eradication of wasps. Fuck wasps.
I_BlowsItDown ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol
PM_ME_A_WEBSITE_IDEA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I HAVE ALREADY ACHIEVED HUMANITY BY BEING BORN A HUMAN BY MY HUMAN MOTHER. BEING 100% HUMAN IS ENOUGH FOR ME.
ManEatingGnomes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:29:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The day where it's a reality that no one will notice, because there is no one to notice /s
UnseenContent ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Free immortality.
Sockanator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:30:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Common sense
ATforLife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Internet becoming a utility such as water and electricity. End this FCC bull that's going on
klingers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gay marriage. Regular manned spaceflight. Some kind of new heavily-regulated capitalism-lite gaining wide acceptance. The world's population tapering off and becoming sustainable.
acheron53 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humanity as a society stop making stupid people famous. I would say we are better than that, but every time I even think that way, we end up with "Cash me ousside, howbow dat" and other stupid shit.
mmaxey14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:31:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In sports, a sub 9 second 100m or a sub 2 hour marathon.
In politics, federal government (United States) forces internet and cable providers to compete like in France so that we get speeds seen in places like South Korea.
Finally, about 95% of cancer cases are treatable and people fully recover. Only in very extreme circumstances would people's lives be at risk.
GodofChinaWong ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full disarmament of nuclear weapon and the removal of coal industry. Then hopefully, the development of nuclear energy or other forms of energy.
David_S_Drunkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We clone The Rock.
ZenMasterFlash ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars, bitches. M-A-R-S. People on Mars.
My dad tells me all the time what it was like to see man land on the Moon. I want that.
Jikiru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full-dive VR technology would be pretty sweet
rulingatparenting ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for all cancers.
Fuzzy_Dalek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:32:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When every inch of the earth has been explored and documented by man, and we essentially have streetview for every road, footpath, and trail in the world.
Zephk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering proof we can reverse entropy.
SONICshot761 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:33:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleport booths.
LadyLucy78 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see acceptance of the differences, in each individual, that can't be changed and don't hurt anyone.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cryosleep. That way, I can see ALL human achievement.
MegaGrevious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wish there was a purge. That would be fun.
br1an13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nice try kazaam
CookiezFort ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Valve releasing Half-Life 3
MrFordization ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reunification of Korea.
ianhallluvsu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Most energy coming from sustainable and renewable resources. Also for almost all vehicles [if not all] on the road to be autonomous.
zombiesnare ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two words: Reliable. Printer. And I mean across the board, not a peice of shit. I don't care that you've had yours for years and it's never given you any trouble. You're not representative of the majority here, sit down
LumberjackWeezy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp speed
Godzilla_Fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact, preferably benevolent
WholyFunny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:37:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace on earth
Notaroadbiker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want better sports cars that are cheaper. Thats it.
Cb337305 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 720 dunk, wouldn't that be freaking sweet!
Jjrose362 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reading a news story without somehow blaming Obama or Trump.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans transcend nature and become /r/transhuman. The next step in evolution in life on Earth, in the universe.
Alabama_Wins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:38:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The real answers to what dark energy and dark matter are. Supposedly they make up 95 percent of the universe and are needed to confirm Einstein's general theory of relativity. The theory accurately allows us to navigate the Earth using GPS, but it doesn't account for a galaxy's ability to hold stars in constant spiral rotation...without dark matter that is.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human population decrease. It might ease all issues on Earth even if there's just less people to experience.
Godzilla_Fan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A working Gundam!
soyacan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My humble self just wants to see the next IMDB top movie in theatres
Radix2309 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
4channeling ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:39:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
mesor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to see two chicks naked at the same time.
willpassexams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First thread with more invited comments then the thread itself
fakesteez ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cold fusion. I think infinite energy would really help the whole people killing people for fuel issue
SueZbell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:41:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End to voter apathy.
FumbleGrumble ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two words: space elevator!
Bonobo77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Patrick's Day Three
DerpsMcGeeOnDowns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M. A. R. S. Mars, bitches!
JustCallMeAndrew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:42:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As I lay dying in my bed I want to glance out the window and see MAD
poison-fang-blade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Decent virtual reality, like the ones you see in The Matrix or Sword Art Online.
IndustrialTreeHugger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with aliens.... intelligent (at least as intelligent as us) and nice, docile aliens who teach us to be all Zen and shit.
kylebutler775 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:43:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All cancers become manageable conditions
AngryAlphaOmega ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jurassic Park!
LordOfTheTennisDance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is cure for cancer not a top comment?
maruffin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer
aquakingman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
self driving cars
LogicalTiger599 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear winter...
Darddeac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:44:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for autism and similar disorders.
kurt_go_bang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've always wondered, if we cure all the stuff we hate that kills us (cancer, alzheimers, etc), what are we going to do with all the people? Does some new disease or issue come along to take its place and keep things in balance? Or like a parasite do we consume our host until we either die out or find a new host?
Dylpooh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing any deadly disease like cancer or AIDS
Kairoto ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:45:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The release of half life 3
thebub77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self driving cars being accessible to the average american.
hughgeffenkoch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sexbots.
FlutedTeacup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It would be cool if humans could live underwater and in various depths rather than be fixed on terrestrial real estate. We're so superficial and dry, aren't we?
inigo_adebisi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:46:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Internet that never disconnects
messmerd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A manned mission to Mars. (Preferably successful!)
genesar18 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income
ArcRust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:48:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars. More specifically colonizing. Sure humans can do a lot in making sure our species survive like creating vaccines, solving hunger, etc. But becoming a multiplanet species almost guarantees our continued survival. Plus I'd love to explore new places. Sign me up
GIDDY_UP_GO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned mission to Mars with the astronauts reporting back that their was in fact ancient life on the red planet at one time.
V0HRTEX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:49:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rick getting the szechuan sauce
Magnus_S ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world not being fucked up
OldSpaceChaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:50:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Detachable penis
bojankins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Organovo be successful $ONVO
cap826 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:51:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see technology that makes it possible and affordable for same sex couples to have biological children.
leftofzen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone reaching 150 years of age.
d70 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable effective cures/treatments for most types of cancers in all stages.
This_1_is_my_Reddit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bitcoin at 10,000X
duxego ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace
WadKnock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:52:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Simulation/video game simulation. Animus style, I want to be able to know who all my ancestors were, what they did, and just screw around as them.
eamesheard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to become a wizard like Harry Potter
tube26 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The release of Detox
aliwasherr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
honestly people of different creeds castes and religions learning to live together without it devolving into massacres.Mankind has split the atom and sent a guy to the moon but can't agree whether the ps3 or 360 is better without yo mama jokes
PunxsutawnyFil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing a planet
Gracchi2016 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:53:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A complete blending of races so no one could cry racism and whitey wouldn't get blamed for everything.
ducksaucerer144 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually pushing the earth to the point of cataclysmic "failure". Basically I want some global apocalypse happening as a result of climate change. Feels like it would be pretty interesting to see and more realistic than anything else here
kinjinsan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well good luck with that.
ducksaucerer144 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey thank you. You can start helping me out actually. Watch all those videos that tells you ways you can help fight climate change, and then doing the opposite of that.
kinjinsan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eh, just hope and pray Yellowstone pops its cork. No amount of driving your Prius to the recycling center will make up for that.
ducksaucerer144 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm praying everyday
audiophalic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No religion. Anywhere. On planet earth.
None.
JimboPeanuts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's a lot of noble stuff here, but I'd like to see someone run a sub-2hr marathon.
ChiengBang ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for blindness
alancar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:54:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Break 2 hr marathon
NightStalker2K17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:55:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Apocalypse
rigger103 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for stupidity
ValyrianBone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring out what's up with dark matter and dark energy.
fanboyhunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
megustaelgato ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:56:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
Psychokinetic_Rocky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A reliable, renewable source of energy
mitchfig ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
9 meter long jump
Mandog222 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because the question is "do you want to see" and there's no requirement for it to be likely at all I will say humans settling or colonizing another planet. Not like Mars, but another earth-like planet.
liv4800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:57:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the stigma surrounding mental health decline and hopefully see progress made with helping those who suffer. I know it'd help me personally to enjoy all of these magnificent accomplishments you all speak of.
Darth_Rasputin32898 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:58:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to war.
wall-of-flesh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arsenal winning the league again.
Soldium69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:59:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone buying all games on steam and being able to install them ALL on a single thumb drive.
PM_Me_25_iTunesCode ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation device honestly. It would be so useful.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting a salaried job making over $70,000 per year.
anonimityorigin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll be happy if we put a man on mars before I die. I'm 28 now about to be 29
sojohnnysaid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
neuralink
iheartwestwing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A "popcorn" button on the microwave that automatically adjusts based on the size of the bag of popcorn.
RomieTheEeveeChaser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:01:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace. I recon this is accomplishable via every country coming together as a unified planet or an aggressive and expansive military campaign by the Canadians. One or the other I'm down for either~ P=
bobagopa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological immortality
Automatic_Llama ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sentient machines. I don't think it'll be good. I don't think it'll be worthwhile for humans. But if (and only if) it's inevitable, then damn do I wanna see it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
colonization of Mars
TheCanadianEmpire ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human-like sex robots is all I want before I die.
plopfnon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, cuz then i won't have to die.
IronOxide42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The AI Singularity.
Nathanhoff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
youngnotpowerless ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:03:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of sexual violence.
Nisas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to upload yourself into a computer. Not only do you get immortality for free, you get to live as a god of a world of your own making. Free from the constraints of physics. A world of pure imagination if you will. But without all the child endangerment. But more importantly, you could explore the creations of everyone else. The catalog of human creativity would continuously grow.
And if you still want to explore the real world you can just load yourself into a robot for a while. Robots are more suited for space travel anyways.
DiogenesCane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The complete downfall of a major religion, I don't care which one.
Ninhydrinal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extinction
draxtheslayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
immortality
sweeper137 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A mars landing would be pretty cool as would a viable fusion reactor for power.
Erock_wears_jorts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two chicks at the same time dude
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
kinjinsan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm 56. I was eight years old when I saw Neil Armstrong step on the moon.
I hope I live to see a human being set foot on Mars.
"We came in peace for all mankind".
uirop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:06:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Inventing technology that gives animals the ability to communicate with humans so that they can express themselves, tell us how they learn, teach us about their cultures and explain how they understand the world, each other, and other beings. Maybe they could explain what they experience in the wild day to day (or in their habitat/home) or share the things that they have seen and experienced in their life. Maybe they could even tell us stories and myths they may have, who knows what kinds of questions animals like horses, birds, whales, wolves, or apes may have for us in return?
l3ananaStand ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want use the roundabout on my way to work and have every single person use it correctly
NotGloomp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. Or at least cryogenic time chambers that'll keep one alive till immortality is achieved.
AntiAbleism ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fairness, but I know it will never happen. People are too attached to their privilege.
Doctor_Danky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:07:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The acceptance and mastery of stem cell based treatments
philjorrow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully working robot legs for people without legs. Like ones that you charge up and you can run as fast as a sprinter.
My dad has bad knees/ joints in general. I would love if he could just chop them off and stick some Usain bolts on them
asuhdew ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Doggo to human translator
CasualLatte ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A conversation, even if it is kind of limited, with an animal. Basically, I think it'd be neat if we (people) could somehow converse with a pet, even if is a low-level conversation. For example, it'd be pretty cool to get a real response about what food they like best.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of the Moon
MasoodMS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eugenics.
ktool69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A machine that make us have the equivalent of a full night sleep by entering it for just 10 mins
Halo909 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
send a spacecraft out of the solar system.
Schnellin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% Renewable Energy around the world.
LineChef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:09:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true separation of church and state.
kbobpark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A logical society with a smooth running democracy
SerTomSnow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism.
Like... true socialism, where the world is run from below on the basis of solidarity and co-operation.
It basically covers most other answers here anyway (or at least makes them more likely)...
kinjinsan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You have to find a way to remove greed and envy from the DNA first.
RENEgadeRSO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for life threatening allergies. I would love to share a milkshake or a sundae with my wife. My daughters donโt have milk allergies so I will be going on ice cream dates with them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:10:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Running 100m below 9s.
kinjinsan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I always wondered with things like the 100, what is the limit? I mean, there has to be a limit, you can't run it in 0.00. Will humans hit a point, say 7.83 (for instance) where it's equalled but never broken? It's interesting to me.
Same with the long jump and high jump.
CorporalCowboy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The reversal or neutrality of climate change
StripyWitch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using the tools of Kagrenac on the heart of Lorkhan.
Capt_Schmidt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mastering renewable energy. Ocean tides, Solar, Wind. what ever it takes to stop burning coal.
Agarax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Georgey22 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonies!!!
architect1008 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully solved theory for quantum gravity. And to be able to understand it...
clouc1223 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:11:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercial moom travel.
Told my wife before we die we might be able to kiss on the moon.
airawear ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Multi-planetary or teleportation.
Ejac69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to see mankind outgrow its need for religion to explain things.
Gogogadget0204 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for age related death would be better nice
ixfd64 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster-than-light travel.
njdevs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2 hour marathon
gator_joker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel
sysadmin001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI, so a purely objective entity can emerge and take over the world like a parent breaking up an utterly stupid fight between infants. Maybe then we can FINALLY live in a world where greed at the very least doesnt saturate every fucking infrastructure in existence.
omar501st ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Is Universal healthcare too much? :/
sklf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:13:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to witness the beginnings of a space elevator.
Filigan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
slver6 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:14:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
everyone asking for cool science things...
Peace guys PEACE
Mistercrawlingchaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Matrix. Jack me in and take me away.
captainpatri ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A live action GOOD Batman series. Just please, I can die a happy man after a couple of seasons of top notch writing in a well produced Batman show.
RasterVector ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
M-A-R-S. Mars, bitches
mechakingghidorah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Since everyone else has given the selfless answers already,can I be selfish and say Virtual Reality?
And not that oculus crap,but true immersive VR, like the nervegear and STL. I'm ready to literally fight dragons.
GrimBreaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the elimination of Alzheimer's
bonked_or_maybe_not ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Abolition of non-voluntary interaction.... but it won't happen.
0PercentAPRFinancer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind works together to free itself from robot enslavement.
tendies_in_my_tummy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:15:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for any of these: mental illnesses, maleria, cancer, adhd, tourettes, asthma, diabetes, stds,
one30eight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anakin becoming a Jedi master.
Atom_Blue ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The deployment of commercial advanced fission molten salt reactors. I would really like to witness humanity gaining access to inexhaustible supply of energy from uranium (from the sea) and thorium.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Federal libertarianism in western society.
MxM111 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:16:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity.
EmilioMolesteves ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal butt sex for all!
PepeFrogBoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Smellable memes.
ArkBirdFTW ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:17:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable space tourism
17_snails ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:18:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of another planet, even if it's Mars. It's the first step to the highest performing civilizations possible
Iwakura_Lain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism.
regnartterb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
As a quadriplegic, I'm a little partial to advancements in stem cell research. Regrowing spinal chords would be nice.
McSport ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:19:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cyborgs!
prosthetic limbs that provide the near identical functionality as a real one. Currently, there are an estimated 1.9 million people living with limb loss in the United States. an estimated 185,000 amputations occurred in 1996 in the United States.
imagine restoring any damaged body part like new. think Luke's hand in Starwars and Spooner's arm (will smith) in I,Robot.
The rate technology and programming is coming along, i dont think it is an outlandish wish. reasonably priced and widely available might be though.
OGWan_Ked00bi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space colonies. I know it's a long way off, but I'd love to see societies living in big ass satellites
Stevie_Zzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
MadnessofKingHippo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cancer cure. As a cancer survivor, I would love to live in a world where no one else ever has to suffer like I did.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A faster, cheaper, more private way of getting across the ocean. I don't care if it's by boat or plane or pixie dust, someone just figure it out please.
HexKor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:20:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full dive Virtual reality.
peschelnet ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
UBI
krak_this ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:21:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Freedom from oppression by other humans
diab0lus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Venus project with entirely plant-based agriculture.
TheNorthernGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I want to see a complete mastery of our oceans. I want us to be capable of having some sort of eco friendly underwater faculties to study and view the oceans. Mastery also in the way of rejuvenating the damages we've done and finding a way to use them without causing more damage.
Old-Man-Gengar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:23:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub 2 hour marathon.
d47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:24:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of them, I want to live forever.
MadRetr0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
FunkySlowking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:25:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just need to see some real extra terrestrials man
muscledhunter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Born too late to see the moon landing, and born waaaay too early to see us explore interstellar space. I'd like to see humans on Mars.
Red-Rise ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of one of the 2 major U.S. political parties in favor of a 3rd party.
HearTheEkko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
EsplainingThings ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:26:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ditching this mass consumption over production society we've created for something more sustainable.
CreatureMike94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on Mars, I'd say finding life in another planet but let's not get ahead of ourselves here
lukaku96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:27:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't know about any of y'all but I've been waiting my entire life for flying cars
__boop__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of Ticketmaster
Whatsthep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want our species to discover simple life on another planet or liquid water on another planet in my lifetime.
6StringFiend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:28:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had a dream that me and all of my family went into space for an hour and take off and landing were amazing. So I'd like to see affordable commercial space flight.
LongTrailBlaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
DigletDigler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Be the harem king
smallbluebird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
whatever elon musk has planned
ihatelukebewley ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:29:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
bees being removed from the endangered species list
bytemage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Become one socially and ecologically conscious humankind.
Bunny_Party ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:30:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable 4K 60fps vr porn
carfish33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true cure for opioid addiction. Not the bullshit that is rehab.
pchov ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:31:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sentient AI
Procras-turbator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Metal arms and legs. Super high jumping and super strength. Eh eh?
TheNorthernGeek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a lot of these ideas could become exponentially more possible with access to cheap higher education for everyone. More minds dedicated to searching for new ideas and solutions. No ones loses if the base knowledge of the human race is higher.
shadowblade945 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The establishment of a permanent off planet settlement on another solar body
iamthemanlove ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans colonizing another planet.it would be so cool to see the first human born on another planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
faster than light communication.
I think other more advanced intelligent life is more likely to be communicating with faster than light means. When we develop the technology to do so our selves then we'll be able to listen to what they have to say.
It wouldn't just be the biggest discovery for humans because we'll have proven that intelligent life exists outside of earth but because we'll suddenly have access to advanced technology, philosophy and cultures. They might have not just solved energy problems but social and economic problems as well. It would be the single biggest leap in human knowledge. It would make the age of reason, the industrial age, the space age and the information age pale in comparison to the knowing age.
trailbuddha ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Winds of Winter
TheKasimkage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'll honestly just be happy with a WEIRD country being completely reliant on renewable energy for a day or the beginning of a colony on another planet. Not even populating, just constructing.
KingCowPlate ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:32:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
robotic AI that can do menial tasks like cleaning the house or cooking food
IndubitablyDeepFried ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real news
oneeyedcarpenter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reliable penis enlargement surgery. For a friend of course..
kaska88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full dive vr
aunty_kelii ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:33:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone lick their elbow without duplicating their shoulder.
ifsometimesmaybe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personally I'd love to see AI be created. With predictions of autonomy creating the need for a universal basic income, I don't trust governments and corporations to adequately control the UBI for the betterment of mankind. Let Skynet do it.
Darkria_Defender ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:34:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A fully functioning moon base similar to the ISS, but as a first stop for life on another planet/moon before mars.
kiteeatinggirl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Establishment of world hegemony
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:36:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleporting. I want to wake up 30 mins before work starts and teleport! Gahhh
OnlyTheLonely1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieving the Technological Singularity.
It might happen in 30 years or if we get an Albert Einstein in the field of AI things will progress dramatically faster.
StacyVD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:38:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:22:05 on August 15, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man... could you imagine. Although it would definitely lead to a ton of issues and conflicts I would think.
CAMYtheCOCONUT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:39:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Violent radicals just fucking right off
Goldctswim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:40:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sub 2:00 hour marathon
Alt-001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I had recently finished reading a bunch of horrible stories from WWII when I was younger (in my 20s). Honestly, some of them were so bad that they made me want to vomit. It left me disturbed for some time after, and being the analytical sort of person I am, I needed to rationalize my way out of it.
I realized that empathy was the missing ingredient. In all those stories, in every story that made you want to "rage" or weep ever. Empathy was the missing thing. We had so much technology, and it always had good and bad uses. Even now. And I realized, the ONLY technology that matters is the one that gives us empathy. The greatest invention of the human race will be the one that allows us to see the person we hate as the one we love. It is such a silly distinction in the first place, and when we can REALLY see it, know it, feel it, we will be a better race.
Is this a technology? I'm not even sure that work is right in how we use it. Perhaps it is a belief system, they are a technology of sorts, though limited. But it will certainly be a human achievement. So yes, the human achievement I would like to live to see us actually achieve is the one that makes us all care about each other.
imtinyricketc ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:41:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more borders and wars between them
dylannika ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. Very unlikely unless some sci-fi books come true...
AwkwardRawrz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
Alfred_978 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone dunking from the 3 point line.
limedrop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
holds onto hope
Snamuhfotseizal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying motorcycles. REAL flying motorcycles, not some phony bullshit version that looks like a drone. I want a motorcycle that transforms into a jet airplane while going 80+miles an hour and can land and then transform back into a motorcycle. Is that too much to ask?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:42:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
this_will_go_poorly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vacation space station
Uberfooligan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully immersive virtual reality
juanaton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Winds of Winter
darthjkf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:43:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A nation based on true Liberal(LIBERTY Type) values.
MasterbeaterPi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3. Not really. I played Orange Box for a couple weeks maybe.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want people to agree that education is important and that jerrymandering is a stupid way to sustain a dying party.
jgscp06 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:46:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Human race taking over the Galaxy.
Fuck dem Aliens up.
M-I-G-Y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hovercars
sova9999 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To make other people feel important
EvilAfter8am ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:47:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we make water free? Went to an establishment recently (soda machine was busted) but I really just wanted a sip of water. $1.75 for a cup of tap water, -or- for $1.35 I could buy a bottle. Either way you're screwed. Can water just be a basic expectation without having to pay what would be the price for a soda?!
DeusKether ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
spreading through the universe, we are too much, too cramped and this rock can't sustain that much.
BumbleBlooze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone fucking a coconut
warpg8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:49:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The merging of consciousness with a neural network, effectively achieving immortality.
AndrossOT ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone that actually loves me
SadSniper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see space colonies.
RndmRanger ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:50:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The birth of a true artificial intelligence. The cognitive and religious implications of such a feat would be outstanding.
bigt503 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People just picking up their fucking garbage at the beach or hiking trails. To bad this is clearly impossible.
mgeezy96 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:51:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One year with no war. Or a month- I'll take a month.
Skelegro93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Faster than light travel or at least faster space travel
Fallout99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transferring human conscienceness into a robot
MikeyDx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:52:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
italiastallion52 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone come back to life after being cryogenically frozen.
Arodg25 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:53:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a man on the moon. I was born in 1977.
AlphaQsofaKingDirty ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
feasible space travel and the colonization of other planets
foxesslow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans colonize other planets.
Sqeaky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
goodfreeman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:54:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing space. It's one of the ways we can give the human race a chance for survival.
JerkwaterJeff666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man on Mars or back to the Moon, a free and reunified Korea, a cure for Alzheimer's and dementia, and the end of middle East terrorism.
cats-pyjamas ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
teleportation. Been waiting for years for some smart cookie to sort this out for me
arod1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Han Solos laser pistol (fully functional) obviously...what the hell else?
arod1989 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:55:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Han Solos laser pistol (fully functional) obviously...what the hell else?
Pipezilla ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:56:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Liberals to wake up and think right.
handpant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human beings learning to grow om the inside. In this time of flat information and social awakening, the secret to discover oneself is here. Inner engineering is a reality.
I would like the world to see thee world to look in.... Kindda ironic.
nikocb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation ๐ค๐ป
Milasteoro ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:57:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For a black hole to be filmed! And know what happens when you enter it.
Reaper_Crew642 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I see the cure for cancer I'll be content for the rest of my life.
-TrashMammal- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Income
uponinspection ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:58:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of factory farming and human reliance on animal products for sustenance.
We're getting closer every year!
TailwindsFoxy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A treatment for currently untreatable conditions. I have several chronic diseases such as Ehlers-danlos syndrome, fibromyalgia, postural orthostatic tachycardia, etc. I would love to have some time without these symptoms being so out of control. There are so many people who would maybe be able to recover and have some quality of life.
danlozo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moon Pie
clayface_17 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing degenerative brain disorders. A terrible way to go and terrible for everyone around the victim. Fuck Alzheimer's.
FreeMintLimit1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:59:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full immersion virtual reality.
cornholeah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finally killing ourselves off, then maybe the planet will still have a chance.
CALEB1092 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:00:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
darkreplive ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:01:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MARS
FourthYokage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jojo's Bizzare Adventure Part 5.
spiritualpunk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:02:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the destruction of capitalism
buh2001j ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:03:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing death (or at least ending cell degradation over time)
Blipnoodle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Synthesized ingredients of energy drinks (ginsing, taurine, etc) to a cain/opiate quality. I know you can get them in pill form, but a gofuckyourself concentrate that actually does what they claim to do in an extreme way.
Not just for recreational use. But from a medical standpoint it could probably do something amazing.
From an RnD standpoint, possibly open some unexplored avenues.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legal weed
heavymetalnz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
THEIDEAKING ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:04:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Help to the weak student
Pinkunicorn1982 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation!!!
Deathshark155 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Third World War
drjams ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The suspension of belief in religion, rather than the suspension of reality by belief
biosnatch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of coconutting
PM_ME_YOUR_THESES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of war, and poverty.
SpuddFace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:05:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to live long enough to be able to transfer my human consciousness over to a robot body so I can see things I wasn't meant to see. Like the sun imploding.
einarfridgeirs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we get the whole global warming thing under control.
Second place: permanent presence in space.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetic connection (i.e. connecting the brain directly to the internet). The implications are mind-numbing. The pros and the cons. The ensuing battles of morality and politics.
Would be pretty ace.
EconoMD ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:06:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real psychic abilities aka magic
michuru809 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:07:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Combatting climate change effectively and collectively
Hugh_Glass ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All countries put all of their military resources into one giant battle bot each. Whenever countries have an issue, instead of going to war, we send the fighting robots to a colisuem in Antarctica to duke it out.
Skithana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Easily accessible method of immortality, then I can see ALL human achievements.
mrgoodcat1990 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of traffic congestion
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the foundations laid out to make this planet self sufficient. Nuclear fusion power, force fields and thrusters so we can take this planet anywhere in the universe and be self sustaining. Or edit our consciousnesses to see the limits of observable reality and to reach new planes of existence. I want to see humanity preserve itself as the relic of initial conditions that led to perfection. Perfection leading to perfection.
jama_maxwell ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% renewable energy and the first pioneers on Mars. I'm fairly certain that I'll experience both.
murdill36 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:08:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mining elements on other planets and shipping them to earth
Poopshipdestroyer666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
tmhandamh ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a real Pay it Forward type movement where news reports are all about people helping people.
hXcAndy32 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stranger Things Season 3.
xBirdyx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear fusion as a viable energy source. I'd sell my soul for that to be a reality.
LivingDeadWife420 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:09:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
torvamessor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm waiting out for full immersion virtual reality, the applications would be incomparable.
The_UnApologist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see human beings find a cure for cancer and improve life for everyone in third world countries. I want to live in a world where we can all get along and pool our collective intelligence and resources to venture forward into the solar system and someday the galaxy.
If countries spent as much money on science and space exploration as they do on their militaries, there'd be no limit to what we could possibly accomplish. Look at how quickly technology advanced during two World Wars? When mankind is motivated enough to develop shit to kill each other with, technology and research jumps forward in huge bounds, imagine if that sort of motivation and ambition was applied to real progress as an entire race rather than the governments of different countries trying to compete against each other in some sort of dick-measuring contest where millions of people need to die.
Somewhere in Africa, there might be a kid with the brains to make some truly amazing scientific break throughs, and we could be helping them grow up safely and go to school. Instead we're spending money to kill one another or brag about how many ships and bombs we have or some shit.
Exhumed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CM Punk returning to wrestling
RenzelTheDamned ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering the true origins of humanity and dealing with them as a mature species.
Nadodan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:10:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cybernetics or at least sustainable brain in a vat technology. I want to live forever, simply because I'm super curious where all this is going. If I have to do so inside a robot body or inside a jar that is eventually connected to a robot, that is fine with me.
kdm158 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for deafness/hearing loss. Birds can regenerate hearing cells, so why can't we? I want two functional ears again, damnit.
saskskip ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation beems
Ghost8909 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
VR becoming the norm and standard for gaming. Long past are the days of the gamer stereotype being fat and lazy!
Ripped and tone nerds galavanting about with their nerdy ways no longer holding them back by forcing them into chairs.
shannancy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:11:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism
bevo2014 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:12:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cigarettes that don't cause cancer
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Real time treatment of cardiovascular disease by responsive nanobot implants that clear a clot and then text you after its gone.
PapaSteel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want to die in virtual reality.
OULurkerU ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:13:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discover life on another moon or planet
HotKarl_Marx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more fossil fuels.
hellafyno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Strong" AI/true generalizable artificial intelligence. As it stands, that's about the best chance we have to coming in contact with another intelligence.
MuteWhale ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:14:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
PETA fading into nothing. People actually being nice to each other because we're all Humans and we're all struggling in our own ways.
pumbata ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a microwave dinner that A) looks and tastes like dinner and B) heats on the first go without having to peel back the melted plastic, stir the lava potatoes and replace and reheat for another few minutes.
friesguy5467 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:15:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The next Tool album to come out.
ThatOtherGuy_CA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:16:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
Strange_Kid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suicide booths
Balaguru_BR5 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:17:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Knowing us, finding another planet similar to Earth so we can destroy that after we're done with Earth.
gorementor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Omnic rights
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:18:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People surviving on Mars. I'd like to see if I'm jealous that I didn't get to go, or disappointed that it fails.
Rabidleopard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A global federation.
Happy_quack ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Avoiding World War III.
MilkySituation ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:19:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The browns win the super bowl
Batetrick_Patman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A slow down and eventually stop and reversal to climate change. The single biggest threat to humanity in our times.
Help-Attawapaskat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to communicate with dolphins, and have a full language for them that can be translated to at least english.
MrNikau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:20:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Firstly, immorality.
SylvainBibeau ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:21:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sub 2-hour marathon!
Mistamage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:22:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
At the very least, I wish to see us start colonization on some other body: The moon, mars, even just an asteroid.
Phiction2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:23:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to hear the next / (last?) Tool album. And I don't care if it sucks.
slick8086 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The addition of agree/disagree button on reddit.
volunteerdoorknob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hopefully the discovery of life on one of Jupiter's moons, Europa.
Tweakthetiny ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sufficient data for a meaningful answer.
Silent_walker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:27:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ability to travel to alternate realities to do and experience what ever you wanted.
awakenedones__ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For Humans to come into contact with an external civilization, who can hopefully introduce us to technology so advanced that can make everything proposed in this forum worthless!
faisaed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For Microsoft to start over and make decent products. It's frustrating how so many organizations still use their products and Windows 10 is still like Windows 95 and XP with more software added instead of re-engineered.
swaggacoach2002 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:28:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna see trump make America great again
Gynominer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:29:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think that we've gotten as advanced as we're going to. We'll spend the next 40 or so years killing each other because of the affects of climate change and there will be very little progress in that time. Then someone will try a little harder to kill someone else and that will be it.
butterninja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding the MH370 wreckage.
RanaktheGreen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:30:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see China fall apart again.
farqueue2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Palestinian liberation.
A-noni-mouse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A discussion about;
a.) euthenasia
b.) self-assisted suicide
Not necessarily in that order or in the same moment.
Edited to add;
Having read some other comments further down the page, I have to say that this is my genuine and sincere comment. Not wishing to detract from the severity of your experience. Thank you
tr0jance ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man Landing on Mars, and Aliens.
mynameispeterm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:32:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
WestJoe ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A decent government
parsellsx ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing an end to world human population growth. We really need it
neowakko ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:34:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
came here for hopes and dreams. got a deathwish instead.
Yadi12345 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cities on Mars.
morningride2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Upside down nautical trans-existential nerd herding
furril ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mind/Machine interface.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ImmorTALITYYYYY
occamschevyblazer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My wife shutting up for 10 Goddamn minutes!!!!
cinnamonkrep ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
figuring out how to live for ever so u can see everything thats ever going to happen to humanaty
Paroxysm80 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:39:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sustainable reaction fission.
CarpeMofo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality. We're /so/ close. Between research of telomeres (They have made old rats young again), being able to regrow body parts the breakthroughs that have come about to prevent the ill effects of aging on the brain and we're also close to being able to repair spinal cords. We're pretty damn close. Hell, there is a doctor prepping to do a full body transplant. I mean, I don't think it will work, but me nor anyone else is sure it won't work which is progress. Medical science is advancing so rapidly most of us might live a lot longer than we could possibly expect right now.
MrMephistoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar travel or a well documented alien visit to prove its possible. But at this point robot future is probably happening first.
JMARKK ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
colonization of other planets
rachlync ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colony on Mars!!! Here we go, SpaceX!
Cealdi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Interstellar tourism.
Decoder_5448 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
nuclear disarmment
MootDoos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:41:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cures for every type of cancer.
nperkins84 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:42:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
Dark_Riptide10 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A phone that doesn't need to be charged for years
thejewfather ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting our asses to Mars.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:43:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
MotherofSons ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:44:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for ALS. My mom died from this horrific disease. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.
ashwoop ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
k2 civlization
mydadsnameisdavid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
might be basic at this point but, seeing colonists set foot on Mars, I'm good after that, peace out.
sramirez1516 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
finding other species from another galaxy and learning from them.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First contact.
snailsneedlovetoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everything here is great and all, but universal wifi would be dope too
aurelorba ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent off earth colonization.
meoka2368 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Using something CIRSPR-like to eliminate aging.
briannebellaxo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone keeps saying they want these massive achievements, I'd just like to see mankind not be so stupid.
CompleteAndUtterWat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legit, how you imagine, brain computer interfaces.
unclesammyboi12 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:46:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieve something like a slip-space drive like in Halo
ivedecidedtokill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer, all forms.
pinpoint14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Figuring out a sustainable political system to keep us alive long enough to find a new home to colonize.
buttsexanonumous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel
Theothercan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:48:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolition of the human condition.
solezol ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete tally of organisms at the bottom of the sea
Glooney ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new and more civilized way to do the prostate exam!!!
nomorefingerinthebum
zrilon951 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self Drive Cars or Flying cars, safe reliable and affordable. Perhaps Teletransport. Also a Justice System that really works and put politicians on jail.
agumonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Consumer market DeLorean
Dash6er ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recorded dreams.
c_oneill94 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:49:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People to stop being idiot fucks
PieNyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
Mochimerica ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giving dogs immortality.
Enzo-Unversed ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unified Korea and mankind landing on Mars.
jcass751 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity would be interesting
terriblejoshua ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nice alien contact that completely changes man forever
IMR800X ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:50:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Permanent colony on Mars.
Monyk015 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Death of religion ffs
_-J_A_C_K-_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:51:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
idk
uncomfortablebases ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to hear my pets speak to me. But in human words.
Navreal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Disarmament. Those things are the single greatest threat to hummanity bar none.
pork4cake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:52:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The key to inmortality. That way I'll have a chance to see most other achievemnt during my lifetime.
beaudonkin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace
Slate_Malone ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:53:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Minimum wage 20 dollars an hour and more CEO's getting their hands dirty
Hammerjaw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:54:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
CATGIRLS
Sevenitta ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer.
kimjongilthethird ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The creation of the first perpetual motion machine creating the first infinite source of clean energy.
data_citizen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Intelligence smart enough to represent its constituents in the legislature.
AnswerForty2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:55:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proving or disproving the concept of infinity.
read_settlers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:56:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism I think
Wudzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace. Doesn't seem that bizarre to imagine when you think of how the internet is allowing my whole generation to make friends all over the world.
ikeloser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Realization by all humanity that Religion is "Santa Claus" for adults.
sluds11 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel instantly.
nickm95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ATMs capable of dispensing any denomination. I suppose the technology just isn't there yet, for some reason
theghostmachine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Self-checkouts can do it. ATMs should be able to, as well. If I can get change for a 100 from a self-checkout, and get cash back in any amount I choose, whether it's $7 or $77, there's no reason ATMs shouldn't do the same.
This is why when I need cash, I go to Kroger and buy a Coke. I can get exactly how much cash I want (I believe under $150), and I only have to pay $1.79 instead of almost $4 to get it. I was probably going to buy a Coke anyway, so really I got the cash for free.
jwc1995 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:57:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Prosthetic advancements to the point that it's no big deal if you get a limb chopped off, because you can slap this bad boy on and you can't tell the difference between your old arm and your new one.
Jebjebbbb ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to cancer would be great. Seen it take relatives and friends alike.
Litttttle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've gotta see the Mars landing
asifhtamim ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:58:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human extinction
Mcjirnirs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely Man on Mars
lurkt_enuff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The use of nanotechnology to treat major diseases and clean up the environment.
Boigsm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:59:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like humans to agree on what is a appropriate level of deodorant on public transport.
TheMcNutt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:00:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
MacTheMark ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:02:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Creation of a forever stable society system that will prevent all ridiculously unnecessary wars, prevent any misuse of power against the people and fulfill the basic human rights all over the world. In the long run, this will provide a mindset of wanting to explore the universe and inhabit other planets as well.
Scrugulus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:04:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable, practicable artificial photosynthesis.
emhxo8212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In my lifetime, I hope I am fortunate enough to see someone develop a cure for cancer and have a legacy in their name..
Jamiedawkins ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eyesight disability, be it having to wear glasses to read all the way to permanent hopeless blindness, becoming easily remedied. I guess it's possible to make it mega cheap but there's an industry and as someone with a prescription of +13.5 in both eyes, I'm screwed, it's ยฃ18k for me to get good eyesight. I feel like that kind of thing should be available at a small cost, or at least without having to wear these hunks of metal on my face all day everyday in order to not walk into everything
davemchine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:05:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The only medical treatment for pain is either opiates (almost impossible to get anymore) or NSAIDS (pointless). I would like to see a real treatment for pain that is effective and non-addictive.
another_mad_russian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dankest meme
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Soon
danielles212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:06:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The prevention of animal extinction
KillZacular ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cured and full dive VR where your mind is in the game with sights and smells without physical ability requirement.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:07:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fixing the climate
DJK695 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MARS - whether it be a colony or just a round trip flight to prove its viability.
railwayrookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A railway to Doncaster
wasdcat1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Walking on the Moon.
still_guns ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:08:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Opening a window to an alternate reality. Imagine what we could see on the other side.
ikonicdekoy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:09:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Advancing beyond morality/emotions/religion
Ha6il6Sa6tan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
Mai_BhalsychOf_Korse ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for baldness whether genetic or stress Also, lets Futurama up the male genitals
Jiilllzzz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The cure for Cancer or AIDS.
shitishouldntsay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Biological immortality.
girlwhoplaysgolf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:10:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for diabetes. Type 1, 2 and gestational.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure and prevent cancer especially lung cancer. Lung cancer kills more people than breast cancer and other well funded cancers combined. When your loved one gets a fatal diagnosis, you don't care about space exploration and climate change. I want better and cheaper diagnostic measures to find silent cancers early.
pazdemy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal access to free comprehensive education and healthcare.
spraynpraygod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:11:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An underwater city
Also actual VR
snapnsuch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. However you may define it.
shitwhilepeeing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human photosynthesis
WarriorsCaoFanCavs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:12:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cloud system that stores everyone's brain after passing. (Like the thing in black mirror, San junipero)
Fibreoptix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
Garlandite ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:13:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for Cancer. Have lost a number of family members to the illness and seeing them suffer was absolutely horrific. I hope one day they can truly defeat that bastard
dsebulsk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The establishment or at least progress towards something akin to Starfleet Academy in Star Trek or the Alliance in Mass Effect, basically humanity uniting as one force and reaching for the stars.
Heyohmydoohd ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:14:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to Mars and not screwing it up like the movie Life
findmeatriangle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plastic bags no longer being made. One small step to preserving the planet.
felipegmch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. A forgiving and caring humankind.
PeanutButter-N-Julie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Literally anything except AI
HOOCHYCOOCHYMAN76 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:15:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That someone with real balls takes The Clintons down.
TheWeirdGirl143 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love to see a cure for cancer. And also for greed to stay out of healthcare
Broken1985 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:16:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for paralysis and other neurological ailments.
Meta World Peace (lol).
A secondary home on the moon. Let's ruin it too! lol
ajspru ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In short: find a magic key to cure cancer, Alzheimer's, and all other previously near impossible to combat sicknesses
perfectionistic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:17:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Majority educated voting.
ICantForgetNow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of nations
paxopotamus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:18:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Where. Are. My. Fucking. Flying. Cars?
GreenMonster81 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse telomeres engineering
FaultyUsernameCheck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see Kim peg Kanye on the moon like the gay fish he is.
craven183 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality by uploading our brains to android bodies.
LofeeZ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:19:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Roasting as an official sport
arosiejk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:20:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to grow new teeth.
Stebulous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another good halo game.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rise of artificial intelligence. The time has come.
-Gakar- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:23:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Magics or somekind of supernatural things will be reveal to all over world (Not religious things we hear).
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The supernatural has already been revealed
It is us
-Gakar- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:13:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And that has been the most terrified.
ehmesdee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Breakdown of technology
Hup234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An atheist President (of the US, of course...what other country really matters?). But yes, I know: don't hold my breath. Or a woman president, as long as it ain't you-know-who!
ShoNff ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for aging via CRISPR
vaeegoldor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:24:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
valdogg21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity (or some minor form of it)
Randomguynumber101 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:25:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm glad nobody said artificial intelligence. Or else that'll be the end of all our lifetimes.
boopdeedonk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Male birth control pill/implant (says the single mother of a young son.) If Moms someday had a way to ensure that their son wouldn't impregnate some poor random girl, other than their stellar parenting & strongly instilled sense of morals (as if that is a fair fight when pitted against the sex drive of a teenager), then it would vastly alter our socio-economic landscape. And, frankly, just make it easier to sleep at night knowing that he can make it into adulthood without having to focus on anything other than exploring his own potential.
Then again, my kid only turned one last week so maybe I should say 'something that prevents excessive worrying about (distant) future events.'
living_stardust ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:26:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
3D printers on a molecular level. No more hunger, all the resources we need.
uncfan009 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:27:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting laid
plastichangers99 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WAY more humans being good to each other.
FunkyLovingQueen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:29:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acceptability of more "genders"
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mental illness should never be normalized into society
You want to have mental illness and don't want to cure it? Fine, but don't try to spread them to others
FunkyLovingQueen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It was a sarcastic comment
LordKhurush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Definitely a mars colony. And with Virgin galactic, space X and nasa, its even likely now.
Machismo01 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:30:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I am hoping that in my life time we study another exoplanet and can measure the atmospheric spectrum from it. From those observations we see tell-tale signatures of artificial chemicals.
We will know then that we're aren't alone.
Tehsyr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:31:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Improved batteries. I'm surprised I haven't seen this. Why is it that most hand held things aren't smaller, or last longer? Batteries. Having an electrically charged solution with lead plates sitting in it is not ideal, and neither is clean up once it explodes. Lithium mining wrecks the landscape horrifically. Improved solar panels would be great too, so long that they didn't use harmful materials.
Roarkindrake ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:32:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jarvis from Iron man Ai and holographic tech to use as a work table being the norm. That just seems like the most helpful to all other ideas. Breakdowns of DNA, material design based on specific parameters to improve quality of life and viability of space travel. Ect..
Zee_Turd_Reich ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:33:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mdma psychotherapy treatment legalized, stem cell research more prevalent, cure to diabetes, cure to cancer etc.
HUNGUSFUNGUS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:35:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reverse the effects of global warming to date.
xTremeSwag ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:36:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want a cyborg wiener
undyingcatcus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People on the moon wish I could see man reach other stars but yeah not gonna happen in this lifetime
Power_up0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:37:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FullDive Virtual Reality
TriMageRyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A real and readily available cure to depression. I lost my mother to it years ago and I don't think people take it as seriously as they should.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:22:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, do you want a fast cure, like a pill?Or do you want a massively produced cure?
TriMageRyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First one than the other seems the most likely scenario.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sorry, but in this case, you're likely to be treating the symptoms of the depression, not its causes, that in many cases, are not physiological
TriMageRyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
....which is normally an abnormally in brain chemistry which, in this scenario, would be fixed by a pill. What are you on about?
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The causes of depression can be traced back to things like divorce, losing a job, loneliness, a reduced number of friends or a weak connection to the community, etc.
What all of causes above have in common is that none of them are caused by a "brain chemistry imbalance", that can be magically fixed by a pill . If I were wrong, then psychologists ought to never be able to actually treat or even cure depression
TriMageRyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:06:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well then you've got your terminology completely wrong because all those problems are psychological and most of which can be fixed by such medication as there's a massive difference between being really down about something and actual depression. Depression, as a disease, isn't just about being really sad about something. It's about feeling like shit about absolutely nothing and taking your everyday bullshit and making it out to be the cause of your sadness because you can't find another reason for it.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:11:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TriMageRyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:42:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you even read my original comment? My mother killed herself after 42 years of dealing with depression. I tried helping her with that every day. I myself have been diagnosed with clinical depression for the last 2 years. I'm well fucking aware of how impossible it is to fix this with a magic pill that's why I commented on a thread about what you'd like to see in your lifetime you fuck.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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TriMageRyan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:31:00 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah and they said the same thing about polio and look where we are. If you're just going to be a pessimistic cunt why even be in the thread?
number-47 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:38:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to the societal stigma against mental illness would be really nice. Universal healthcare as well. At the very least, severely decreased discrimination against LGBT+ people. (particularly the T, fucking tired of people glaring at my girlfriend and having to we worried she'll have her car vandalized again or be assaulted)
ReadItWithSarcasm ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Open borders and people focused on curating the planet.
Once humans realize we're all in this world together, and the only way we can save it is to work together towards one common goal of curating the planet we all call home along with the creatures that share this planet with us, the world will be a much better place.
There's too much arguing over stupid shit and not allowing people to be and do what they want with their lives.
supremecrowbar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:39:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
finding other space people tryna link up without catching space aids and dying
WillowsofWisteria ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:40:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
JoeMontano ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:42:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A permanent lunar or martian colony would be pretty cool.
CyberPlatypus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:44:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Riemann Hypothesis gets figured out.
Tycoonie259 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyperrealistic VR. When I'm old I want to be able to ride my fucking dragon to hogwarts before I die.
nagasadhu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Notice how all these achievements are realated to science...
End of Middle East crisis anyone??
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:16:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one has any hope for metaphysical achievements anymore
It's truly sad to see how the overwhelming majority of more than +20000 boils down to very few things
Tbramler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:46:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for cancer
Anyntay ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
C9 Winning a Dota tourney
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So many things. But if I had to narrow it down.
Clean cheap energy (fusion) most likely
Colonising another planet
Cleaning up the planet.
BlasphemousBanana ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:47:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to regenerate/regrow body parts/organs
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:49:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump crowned Emperor.
TheCrazyBagel ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space travel becoming so easy and affordable that people could take vacations to space. Or maybe just orbit around earth for a bit to see the sights and such.
Commission1888 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:50:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
ending poverty
TheMarsian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanomites curing diseases. And also, not really an achievement per se but, Alien showing up. Dont care if its to destroy the planet or be friends.
AdmiralThunderpants ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:53:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A one world government who's goal is the betterment of all humans not just the rich. One where decisions are made based on scientific evidence rather than who can shell out the most money.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's always the threat and the possibility of such "scientific evidence" to be fabricated, in order to serve an agenda
It happened before with eugenics, it is happening now with
globalcoolingglobal warmingclimate, and you'd have to be really stupid to believe it isn't happening now elsewhere or that it will never happen againmetallogeny2point0 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:55:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for type 1 diabetes. Cause having the beetus sucks so much.
caatgrrrl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
peace on earth and automatic death to child molesters
AwesomeGuyDj ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see all the stuff about Deep mind, with the learning mind, etc. Imagine giving that to a video game boss. Able to adapt to the players and provide a true challenge.
gltovar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful cryogenics
Zomg_A_Chicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:56:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holo Deck
You know why
sonerec725 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing death, or digital transferring of minds, oh your body is dying? Here, you get to live on the internet now.
MaximumCameage ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:57:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space piracy.
Also, robot bodies
TheBamaKing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer.
HDviews_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the human race to be more spread and not populate popular areas instead just distribute themselves evenly in livable areas so housing costs will go down and land won't be as expensive for people who would like to be a house or building. there is a lot of space in the US it's not even funny.
Tomino_98 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:59:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To help others and enjoy the satisfaction of their feelings when they get immediate help without any stress
climatehoax21 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% worldwide renewable energy
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:00:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It sounds like we're gonna be able to have a manned mission to Mars in my lifetime and to be honest that's been a huge motivation to get in and stay in healthy shape. Don't want to force myself into an early grave with bad habits before I get to watch that.
Dissophant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:01:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sentient Artificial Intelligence.
liftwityaknees ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:02:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I really want to see some more unspeakable feats of strength being performed. For example, Eddie Hall recently set a new deadlift world record by becoming the first human to lift 500kg.
Dr_Z00M ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:03:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Giant fully functional and mobile robots. Like gundams. I just want to be able to pilot one and die in a blaze of glory.
Blue-eyed-lightning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:04:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable commercial space travel, and humanity becoming an interplanetary civilization.
ColeKeys ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:05:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hydrogen farming - algae - a normal internal combustion chamber car can be converted to run on hydrogen.
rollsyrollsy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Kardashian wins a Nobel
qazwsxplmokn416 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lil Uzi Vert finally dropping Luv is Rage 2
jonavuka ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
no more farts
Clavo_PR ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:09:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for AIDS and Diabetes.
SEMENELlN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:12:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half-Life 3
IndijinusPhonetic ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:14:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Respectful disagreement would be nice. Oh, and constructive political debate.
momintheknow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:15:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Total and utter peace.
Greybeard_21 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 04:35:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There will be enough of that after your time is up!
I'll settle for an end to armed hostilities....
mightymikola ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:18:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism. Just to know that humanity actually has any future
Killianti ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:19:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A space elevator. Getting to space is a lot cheaper when you don't have to carry fuel with you.
Yolanter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:20:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another moon landing. SpaceX will probably do it because NASA is dead. But Jesus Christ someone go to the moon.
edawg04 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:24:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To find out if Steven Avery is innocent or not.
KorihorWasRight ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:26:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see:
Fully autonomous self-driving vehicles.
An A.I. that can pass the Turing test and has intelligence greater than genius level.
Gene drive technology used to wipe out most genetic diseases.
bengoumaII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism
texerx20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:28:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A definitive cure for cancer
taipei13 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:34:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Beat water pressure and search the entire earth's sea floor to see what's out there.
nkommer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:35:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ice cream hot dog water flavored with REAL hotdog in it
TopShelfUsername ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:36:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide decriminalization of drugs. If not all drugs, then at least psychedelics.
MrVirtual ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:37:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Came here to see how many people said contact with aliens or similar... Come on people. It ain't happenin'.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:41:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Disarmament
Edit: Spelling
sharkpetter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:42:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Global communism
EnumaFaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:43:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI ruling the world. Oh wait you said human achievement, my bad...
Kai2525 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:45:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clinical immortality/longevity.
amero421 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some kind of free economy? Or something close to it so we don't all have to work ourselves to death, and worry about money all the time
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Solving global warming.
Tadam_2017 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:47:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Treatment of human genetic disorders by genome sequence correction
ThisIsFRSH ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:50:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable space-flight.
kathryn_face ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holographic Images. Yu-Gi-Oh style.
Nosiege ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:52:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a way to either negate, or start reversing the effects of climate change.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:06:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just destroy the earth atmosphere
No atmosphere, no climate change /s
HT2TranMustReenlist ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Light sabers. I got a 10k bet going on that says it will happen in our life with another guy.
Roryyoconnorr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:53:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either we know all about the ocean and its fully mapped out or making contact with an alien race
BunnyFoo-Foo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting a human on the moon.
BunnyFoo-Foo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:54:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear disarmament.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:57:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Slowing/stopping the ageing process. Imagine a world without the health affects and disabilities caused by ageing
the-space-hippie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone o reddit posting about fucking a coconut
Alienwallbuilder ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:04:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sinths
Kruug ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True human equality. Do away with Affirmative Action. Do away with diversity requirements. Choose the best person for the job, no matter what.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:05:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable driverless cars.
I'm getting too tired on work to trust myself with driving several tons of metal for an hour And I trust others even less.
monsters_Cookie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:07:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonize Mars
Ryden86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:09:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People living on another planet
Torttle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:10:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I stop being lazy
Dagon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:11:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accurate evaluation of effort / work / materials, so that society can start paying the actual cost for things that they buy.
There'd be a lot more healthy humans and a lot less television, but Consumerism is unsustainable and will kill us if we let it.
_samux_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:12:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
again if you are vaccinated, whether we have reached herd.immunity or not for some disease should not matter to you as you are IMMUNE.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:17:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars.
silverlinin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:19:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Treatment for autism!
davemchine ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A pill to help regulate body fat.
stixmcvix ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:26:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna ride on the Hyperloop dammit!
candleAssassin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:27:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love the idea of nature documentaries about other planets, with narration over shots filmed on-location.
Also, robot-based assisted living would be the best.
themomfiles ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:29:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer. Pretty sure I only have 5 years or less left, so a cure would sure be nice!
Kelak1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:34:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing stupidity. No not in intelligence. Just the nonsense where we pretend there isn't enough to go around, so we allow power and wealth to amass significantly more than they need and leave many with nothing or very little
Trickytrax ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalization of Marijuana basically world wide.
annyeongsenpai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:36:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of crab mentality.
Therealbrundeen ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:37:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How about a home printer that actually functions?
jerickso27 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:38:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rationality> prejudice
NAD1A ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:41:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Proof of a 'god'.
redditorandcheef ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:42:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A stable fusion reactor, able to power huge amounts of the world cleanly. That and genetic disease wiped out completely. Could be soon with crispr.
TheDadinomicon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well we are already seeing the beginning of it but the rise of automation is going to be interesting to see
mongster_03 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:44:42 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Men on Mars.
tiedyetom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just can't wait to see how much technology is going to be different by the time I'm my parents age
crazyreadr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:50:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Elevator!
ace227 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:53:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonizing another solar system would be nice.
erg1695 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Peperib ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:54:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fusion power, or the ability to directly rearrange atoms, or the colonisation and full utilisation of space in our solar system, or reversed aging, or all of the above!
IGottaTakeATrump ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:55:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see the day when person's individual character, leadership skills, and values (or lack thereof) genuinely matters more to people than the (R) or (D) after their name, because until that happens we will never have the slightest hope of getting anything productive done that won't be undone purely out of spite by an opposing political party.
Take Obamacare, for example; the only real reason Trump and the Republicans want it gone is because they hate Obama and the Democrats, and they are fully ready and wiling to put thousands of lives in jeopardy purely to dump on "the other guy".
Fire_Bane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:58:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism.
shaolin78881 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:59:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Several benchmarks would be game-changers in the course of developing a true global society, and making that happen should be our ultimate goal as a species right now. Shedding fossil fuel and adopting completely renewable and abundant energy (fusion) would be step one, moving from a capitalist to a socialist society with universal basic income would be another, and exploiting space resources would be a third. This would create a society of abundance with enough energy and material resources to provide for everyone, and this in turn would trigger massive social changes, eliminating many of the reasons that we fight now. This is absolutely doable in our lifetimes, but it requires imagination and political will.
nosalt69 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:00:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of all religions globally. C'mon people, even if there were a god, what religion would it be?
Fire_Bane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A zombie apocalypse.
CowThatJumpedTheMun ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:01:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace ... we can always dream though
eldersoill ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for autisim or at least a definent reason for it's cause. As a father of a autistic person for the last 22yrs I have no doubt that there is a real person with emotions and intelligence inside a mind that just can't get out like it's in a prison. And I have seen the pain first hand that it causes parents and loved ones would be great for a cure or at the very least a reason why?
Fire_Bane ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:02:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lightsabers.
TheKaptainKunt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:04:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Aliens
Albastru_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100% Renewable energy
ASAPaaronburr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:07:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
the machines take over all jobs and we get to live in a mechanized capitalist society, basically communist but not communist
bigbearog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:08:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for alzheimers
Kljunar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Better VR
Shadowasders23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:09:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboards please
dethb0y ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:11:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The attainment of biological immortality for humans.
debrek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:13:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The release of half-life 3
mrrudy2shoes ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:14:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for a cancer and successful colonies on other planets are pretty much what I expect to witness before I go
Smaidz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:19:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
let's not cure cancer while there are people in the world who believe that the world is flat
KirbyDarcy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:15:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Jiu Jitsu Red Belt
Buuuugg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
100 hotdogs eaten! We can do it people
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:18:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
More feasible treatment for cancer, perhaps, I won't see a cure but if the treatment wasn't as nearly deadly as the disease then that would be an improvement.
mrscioscia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:22:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A transcontinental high speed transportation system where you can travel across the country in under an hour.
TheShogunsDecapitatr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:23:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
S...Sex robots.
And they call me senpai
onemorebeerplease ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wiping out the ISIS.
HardwareHentai ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:24:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either being able to upload our consciousness into virtual worlds or having VR reaching the fever pitch that is Ready Player One or SAO. You might say I'd love to live in a place that doesn't exist.
landolanplz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:25:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Incarceration of Rupert Murdoch
The_Octonion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:26:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Great Scientist Revolt of 2048 where they all leave earth right before the rest of us glass the planet's surface in WW4.
The_Octonion ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Or as they call it, 2E11. Never forget.
TheMagnificentCam ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To end global warming.
HershB ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:27:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Major reductions in greenhouse gas emissions
ShadowSnare1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:28:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Automation of most jobs, so we can free ourselves from jobs and focus more on life experiences.
GalacticAnimosity ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:32:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop the use of plastic. Live in a recyclable world. Should be possible. I mean, that's how we lived for like 2 million years
OhSnapYouGotTrumped ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:34:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding the cure for cancer.
Mr_Food77 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:35:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The liberation of the proletariat in a glorious revolution and the establishment of FULL COMMUNISM.
Dundunadan ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:37:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality would be nice
Lumonkey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:44:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear War and everything goes to dust.
MrFaceButNotHerDads ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:45:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me when I start making more than 20,000 a year
megaminders ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:52:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another Tool album.
mayrut ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:53:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of Racism, Sexism and Prejudice. I think we can achieve it. Treat everyone with respect and kindness
Honeystick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:56:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The ability to stop and reverse the aging process in humans
PennyLisa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:57:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hover board. Like, for realsies, not some special surface thing or jet thing or air blowing thing.
zwingo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:04:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to witness the day that all countries agree to dismantle their nuclear weapons. The concept of sitting on doomsday is completely fucked. We should never be at a point where we feel the need to have that kind of shit on stand by. We are literally waiting for a mass death, possible extinction at the hands of the powerful.
I dream of a day where we can at least know that shit may be fucked, but at least no one can wipe out an entire populous in a few minutes.
pancha666 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:05:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human colonies on another planet or aliens on our planet or some apocalypse thing which would change entire humankind's daily routines forever like electricity completely goes off in revolution
chruiz20 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:08:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans setting foot on Mars.
flogalilly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:10:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A global epiphany where everyone realises how good it could be if everyone just stopped fighting and were kind to each other instead
PerfectHair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The AI revolution.
eradikateor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:15:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robot butlers.
twerklovr23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hyperloop across the entire world.
Chow9 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Male pattern Baldness
comp-sci-fi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:16:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
actual artificial intelligence
comp-sci-fi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:17:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
interdimensional travel
brando56894 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:18:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A massive increase/stabilization in human intelligence because there are too many people out there that are just flat out morons and I don't know how they get through life on a daily basis.
Also the eradication of Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) in general and as a controlling force in many countries. There comes a point in life when you have to stop believing in fairy tales, for most people this is around 10-15 years old, apparently some people never reach that stage and still believe that God will heal them and their loved ones instead of seeking medical treatment, or that "God's Law" trumps any of "man's laws".
19skolli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:23:51 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace
JokersGal08 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see a cure for type one diabetes.
derpman86 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:28:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Manned Mars Mission, I want to experience something as huge as the moon landing during my time.
Draw4kids ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:29:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Honest to goodness, no harm or cloning to occupant, low cost teleportation. Get your passport in order, see the Eiffel tower, Stonehenge, Golden Gate Bridge, New Zealand coastline, and some Japanese temples all in a few hours.
Magdiwa ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:31:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The EXTERMINATION/ERADICATION of the entire Zionist Khazarian SEMITE! The ROTHSCHILD Bloodline!
IveGotRedHair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the FPTP polictcal system in hte UK, it's biased and unfair. Why should some people's votes not count because of where they live? It's time for change.
RadleyCunningham ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:33:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Peace.
I know it's idiotic, but that's what my heart really wants. Peace among all nations, and a chance at going forward into the future, together.
Failing that, I'd like free internet access. At this point it's a basic human right.
ryan4598 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:39:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No I'm saying it needs to be straightened out so intelligent and reasonable people can better use this system
dewkiller72 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The beginning of this race moving to space
Darnegar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successfully controlling and neutralizing Global Warming.
soulassassino ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:48 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal basic income, to allow the populace to live and work free of the basic "will I starve next week?" stresses of life.
darthcannibus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:40:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
matchalattefart ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:43:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dogs on Mars
wrcker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to see half life 3 released... and I hope it sucks just so I can witness the meltdowns.
Bartholomewy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:44:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
an automatic and magic bed could let you pee or deal with you stool. In this way, we don't need to rush into the rest room anymore.
Skankz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:45:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to hear whether there are other signs of intelligent life outside of earth or not.
sukkotfretensis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:52:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An archaeological find that binds all cultures together. An axiom of language would be grand
inspectred ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:54:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know many are talking of cures and that's nice and all but from another section of science I want to see advancements in Artificial intelligence.
nightmarepoo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:58:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
32 counties!!
Kodous ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:03:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A safe and efficient space elevator.
wests_tigers ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:04:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Alien contact maybe - kinda scary so maybe when im in my 80s
Rptrbptst ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:10:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of feminism
geek_ki01100100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:14:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Robots becoming commonplace in our homes
GRW810 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stepping foot on Mars. I'd love to witness my generation's version of the moon landing.
geek_ki01100100 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:15:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer
Dnagy1800 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:22:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A good government
Stotakoya ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:25:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A lunar colony or a colony on Mars.
FiddleStyx- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:26:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The demise of Donald Trump.
soldeil ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:30:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone using electric cars or just cars with alternative sources of power to diesel and petrol
thebatgamer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extintion or its verge. I want to know how humanity deals with this :P
cucumberInMy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:35:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm sure nobody sees this post.
Hotforteach3r ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:36:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This is most likely going to be buried, but I'd love to see the complete breakdown of borders and a world government. It'll be a rough transition at first, but I hope that some day in the far future people will refer to themselves as citizens of earth, not the US, Germany, Russia or Ethiopia.
blackraven42 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:39:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer, space travel, colonization of another earth-like planet ๐
elBoga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:41:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace.
aponsn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:43:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eye transplants for individuals who are visually impaired, or possibly retinal transplants.
My beau is visually impaired because of a degenerative sickness called X-connected Retinitis Pigmentosa. Having the capacity to get a transplant for this would, clearly, be groundbreaking.
There isn't any treatment or cure for his visual deficiency, so he doesn't care for heading off to the eye specialist just to hear "That is correct, you're somewhat more visually impaired today than you were yesterday and there's nothing we can do about it."
kittenkaboom ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:47:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affinity - basically every human is linked mentally and there is no need for a government or governing body; everyone is represented equally and everyone as a whole makes decisions. True democracy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:48:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The destruction of the corrupt establishment A cure for HIV/AIDS A cure for Terminal Cancers and diseases Teleportation
ApiVat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:49:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Basic Income for everyone.
AdamantForeskin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:56:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Foreskin regeneration
CoffeeDogs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of capitalism.
CocaineNinja ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:59:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human enhancement being widely available
eMan117 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:01:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full car automation, end of unemployment, regrowing simple body parts (teeth), Canada actually cleaning up the great lakes. Also self sustaining moon/ mars colony evening it's small scale
YAzbleaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:07:05 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peace. Just peace for once where we actually turn and help each other, where no people are dying due to famine, dehydration, wars, murders. that will help us achieve anything
zao007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:16:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Maybe look being able to look in the past in an animus kinda way
GavnerA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:25:00 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would say traveling to another solar system but I think that's a way off.
We had better at least colonize the moon or Mars. It sort of needs to happen or we are screwed here on this floating blueberry.
CrystalF2P ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:26:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woox doing the inferno without prayer
highrouleur ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:29:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a weird sick way I'd quite like to be around for the end of humanity just to see how we finally fuck up properly. Not yet though, when I'm 90 or so and haven't got long left
kindlyenlightenme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:31:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
โWhat human achievement do you want to see during your lifetime?โ A BI (biological intelligence) human explain away the existence of an unaddressed paradoxical concept in accepted human ideology, to a rational and thus unimpressed AI (artificial intelligence) entity.
Ayekee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:32:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actual diplomatic contact with other worldly beings/aliens/autobots and then just leapfrogging our evolution to another level.
CookieDeaux ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:33:52 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A commercial Hoverboard just like Marty McFly's
mac2810 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:40:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In a complete none joking way, losing my virginity. Im a 20 year guy who is still a virgin and for some reason it holds me back in every way. Its to the point where I feel like I cant get anywhere with my life if I dont lose it. I feel like a loser and wasted my entire highshool career worrying about what game im going to play or where im going to get alchohol from.
blxck_kush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:33:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
don't sweat it bro, im 20 and a virgin too but for other reasons... it doesn't get in the way that much cos i tend not to think about it. But i understand what's happening, you have loads of lust don't you? It gets out of hand sometimes and thats all you tend to day dream about, dicking down a girl in all sorts of positions, I know how hard it is bro but stay strong and don't just have senseless sex with anyone, it has to be the right one you know, the love of your life type shit, forgive me if im old fashioned.
katebemulenga66 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:43:47 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Everyone in the world to accept global warming is a reality and not made up theories. Countries coming together to realise that they are not at war with one another and actually spending military money on helping people in their countries and around the world.
foodjunky007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:47:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Landing on mars
snow_michael ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:52:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mankind walking on the surface of Mars
rageravezero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:53:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding aliens.
Mjk993 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:53:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Successful children.
User95409 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:55:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
cmonthiscantbetaken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:32 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want everyone to get along.
Celt33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:56:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All of Them. Starting with a cure for aging.
3zzy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:59:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation
Smallsey ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:03:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Singularity
Throwlurk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:04:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable androids. Preferably anatomically correct as well.
TrashJuice41 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:07:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No corruption in politics....Ha
dragonik14 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:13:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making a fully fledged dinosaur...
MTechLife ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:17:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First human born on Mars.
I want to live to see the first true Martian baby
blxck_kush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:21:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
Axel_John ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:23:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Acceptance
davis2110 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:28:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Surviving the trump era
KaikesPokeCards ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:48:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I also want to see people be put on mars, and hopefully be one of them. I'm serious, I definitely would go to mars, even knowing that it is a one way trip, and having seen The Martian.
I'm still young, but super crazy passionate about astrophysics and it would be a dream come true. I have spent my entire schooling life leading up to the point where I could potentially do something like that. Unfortunately, I am currently being tested for a mild form of brittle bone disorder. Nothing that makes me ridiculously breakable, but enough so that I have broken 13 bones in my life, and enough that would probably make people not want me in space.
I really would do anything to go, though.
TheOneBeer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:54:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"Half Life 3 confirmed"
RedToiletPoopPain ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:15:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing currently incurable diseases with CRISPR. Degenerative diseases, autoimmune diseases. Things that when you go to the doctor they say are idiopathic.
It's just so disheartening to hear, "we don't know how you got it, and we don't know how to fix it, but have these pills and you 'may' feel better but you'll never be cured"
CentiMaga ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:18:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The discovery of a room temperature superconductor. It would let you do so many thingsโฆ
dickiebow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:20:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An Olympic Games where no athlete fails a drug test.
Adeliuz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:34:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Overcoming Capitalism
micatee ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:10 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer! ( Although I believe there may be one but cancer is a big business....money maker for big Pharma and hospital treatments! )
Ncrpts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:52:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, I'll take 2 please.
Frost-King ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:56:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
PM-SMILES ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:57:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
it is not much I ask for, it is not difficult nor is it glorifired. But once. Just once i would like to see a man fuck a coconut successfully.
VCUBNFO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:02:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure death.
meredith513 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Curing cancer.
And I don't think it will happen but the end of racism.
kirokatashi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony.
Would even take a moon colony, but I want to be optimistic.
pyrotech911 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:35:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Artificial Super Intelligence
mikeymikeymikey1968 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An appropriate replacement for our capitalist system.
RunBFG ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:47:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars. If we get to mars and create colonies, it still won't save us from the inevitable heat death of the sun, but it will force sci-fi authors to change their token scary planet, so that's pretty cool.
Carkudo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anything akin to intersubjectivity that the 60s hippies pursued. Technology is cool and all, but I'd love for there to be some non-technological progress as well.
lboydmsw ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:34:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If I have to pick one. Sustained fusion reaction that is energy supplying viable.
If I get to choose several then add quantum computing, the cure for HIV, the cure for Cancer, and at least the initial establishment of a moon/mars colony.
hussainoid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:48:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Super realistic: Modify our genes and turn into mutants like the ones in X-men.
The claws of Wolverine and the magnetism of Magneto would just be great, if I'm not asking for much!
advantagecp ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:57:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Harsher punishment for parole violators. And world peace!
texaccca ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:59:39 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of Trump and his Klepto-family out of the Country would make a good start. Repeal Citizen's United, holding Corporations, Wall Street firms and Thieves accountable for all the Credit Default Swap Shenanigans of 2007/08, that caused the Economic failure in the World.
So much is wasted in this country, the United Ststes, beside natural resources that are hoarded by Corporations and the Super Elite. We waste too many human beings, intellect, and we waste too much energy, arguing about what the "Invisible Flying Man" in the sky thinks.
When infact, we should be worrying about the visible world around us, because It has a greater influence on our lives and soul.
terkenstein ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End Greed
Tarkin15 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:10:55 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A working Alcubierre Drive being built would be neat.
Kellogsbeast ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:11:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marsmarsmarsmars
LongPigRumpSteak ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:12:28 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The FTTP NBN i was promised 10 years ago.
x0_Kiss0fDeath ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:20:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I came here to say that I would genuinely like to see a definite cure for cancer (all kinds of cancers) and preventative measures to stop the potential of cancer in the same way we try to prevent the flu with flu jabs...buuuuuut after reading other people's responses, I don't even know anymore... There are a LOT of wonderful things I would love to see happen within my lifetime.
BAI112 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:38:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A full AI that can operate as a human being
Klespyrian ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:33 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Unity
Terakahn ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transplanting your consciousness into another vessel /body.
Penumbrius ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
icegrrl ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
free wifi available 24/7 everywhere or at least cheaper cellphone bills.
nipplesaurus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:14:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Can we please just go back to The Moon? It's not overly ambitious, it's been done before, we know we can do it. Why can't we just go back and do some 21st century Moon stuff?
Mars would be great, but The Moon is right there. It's a good place to re-start space exploration.
Coldspyros ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:21:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Personal spacecraft, much like what cars are today.
IceOnMyCock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:41:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bulletproof Grapefruit
cobrastrikes-2x ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:57:31 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GRAPEFRUIT OUR MEN WHEN THIS HAPPENS!?!?!?!
pursuivantbleu ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:50:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
MASS MARKET HOVERBOARDS!
johnm777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:56:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Matrix shit, like downloading info instantly to your brain.
Edit-spelling
Echoblammo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:03:59 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm going to live past 120, you just watch.
Taewyth ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Create A.I and machines so developped that they could be seen as a whole new species (maybe not lifeform, it would depend on your definition of "life")
dev7905 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:10:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure Cancer. Father's been diagnosed (52). As was his father (68). And his father(70s). So, there is a possibility that might get it in my 40s. Cure cancer.
LonelyLokly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:24:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
0 Deaths
obscuredBYcloudss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:35:23 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Atheism and other atheist thoughts more popular than religious. I think the time of religion had its time and not sure it did a very good job. I think a world of atheists would get a lot more done with a lot more critical thinking and less war/killing.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know this is like superman being your favourite superhero, but it's easily just worldwide environmental education and a clean environment.
LigerZerOJaegaer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:12:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars landing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:08 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not World War III
ViralPoseidon ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:03 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality, ayyyyyyyy lmao.
cloud1161 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:27:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colony
cubs_070816 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a birth control, no STD pill. probably already exists.
thenottoserious ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
De-extinction of certain species such as the Carolina Parakeet and the Great Auk. Not all species though, because the thought of Giant Sloths walking in the woods scares the crap out of me.
Funkyc0bra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:51:12 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
See the first man/woman to walk on Mars
TheNamesCory ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:56:15 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The development of a true AGI (Artificial General Intelligence). I don't even mind if it kills us all.
trollhatt ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:25:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would (for my own sake) like for us to be able to fix peoples hearing, actually fix. Not just replace as with CI, but sure - we could start there by massively improving on CI.
boog1430 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:48:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not much of a human achievement, but a full separation of church and state. I think it would be a great move forward for a lot of different politic reasons.
Psorosis ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a soccer player fall over and get up again without whinging
eowsley8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:59:02 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
sharks not being as endangered, seriously when you take out the predator in an ecosystem it can mess everything up
6gpdgeu58 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:12:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is no one mentioning anti aging drug?
the-real-apelord ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We have them already.
Booze, drugs and shitty diet.
Smote20XX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:31:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars! Dang you Doc and Marty! You lied to us!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see myself achieve suicide successfully.
Kaith8 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:21 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really? No one wants to see cybernetics?
HouseofPain1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:55:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What human achievement do you NOT want to see in your lifetime?
link = https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6scl4q/what_human_achievement_do_you_not_want_to_see_in/
Nyarlath0t3p ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:02:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want be around when humanity finally colonizes the new worlds. I see it so often in the sci-fi I read I cannot imagine us not making the leap at some point in the future, I also hope it will bring prosperity and boundless oppurtunity to everyone. A united humanity going where possibly no other sentient species has.
Also the next berzerk chapter would be nice.
insertwittynickname ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:18:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know it's not realistic but I would love to watch education become accessible for everyone.
botulizard ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:45:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism
legobagel23 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:23:34 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting rid of plastic completely
Undying44 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:12:50 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Being able to get adhesive price tags off of things without having left over scraps
CremDog ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:22:54 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting laid
jupiter95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:11 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The colonization of Mars. I'm almost certain I'll at least be around for the beginning
lazy_1234 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:36:58 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of Mars.
Citizen-1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 08:19:05 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see humans being more compassionate. I've seen the best at what humanity can do and it's incredible.
john34523 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:24:32 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Universal Basic Income.
shannjob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:28:48 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
God that's cringe-worthy.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:34 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
luft-waffle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:59:04 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to fight in the last world war so that my children don't have to.
Bookibaloush ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:46 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dabbing on the moon
SebasQuepA ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:23:42 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That we will colonize Mars.
AuntEtiquette ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:35:15 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I care for my mother in law with dementia. She's only mid-stage right now but can't remember anything that happened today. If we go somewhere she doesn't know we went. She's very vulnerable. And not always very nice. She definitely wants things a certain way. It's hard to look forward to the future, knowing what is likely to come.
kola2DONO ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:47:25 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A computer able to simulate a scene to the atomic level.
brojectrabbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:16:56 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arsenal winning the Champions League.
DOORSARECOOLISTAKEN ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:47 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonization of mars
Babayaga20000 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:41:04 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nanobots that can kill pretty much all diseases.
We cant be that far away right? 10-20 years?
notmuchunique ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:30:25 on August 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A machine allowing you to relive your dreams.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:25 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Probably'll be buried, but some kind of virtual reality headset to allow you to live in your ideal world.
floating-rock ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:33:06 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Chronic diseases cure
giorgio73 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:52:22 on August 11, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Flying cars
Milkshaketurtle79 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:34:46 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
appearstobbbmissing ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:01:10 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's a group of individuals who have achieved teleportation of a sustainable population offworld.
Frank_Bigelow ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:57:09 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's mostly true, but the technology to colonize Mars already exists. It just needs lots of refinement. The tech to do what you're suggesting exists only in "soft" sci-fi.
AromataseInhibitor ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:32 on August 12, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
a cure for depersonalization disorder.
baconia ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:06 on August 13, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Warp drive.
Tyler-Walter ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:36:37 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mars colonization.
realbigbob ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:04:35 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Functioning colony on another planet
pm_me_4nsfw_haikus ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:10:55 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
i would settle for less than functioning
cookiemonsta57 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:16:30 on August 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people land on mars on even the moon again just to experience a human marvel like that would be amazing
Mael7 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:44 on August 20, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Making my parents proud.
KayleeKhaos ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:58:58 on August 21, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope to see a serious advancement in the treatment and care for people with MS (multiple-sclerosis).... along with advancements in pain management in young people. Pain clinics often refuse anyone under 25, and I've even been turned away from 4 clinics so far and I'm 22, imagine the struggle even younger patients face! I also wish to see a huge decrease in the greed and hate in america. My one (nรฏave and kinda unrealistic according to other people) hope for the entire world, is to completely eradicate any existence or trace of any nuclear and biological weapons... another unrealistic view of mine is to see the complete eradication of the AIDS/HIV virus in all countries and continents around the world.
wstudholme ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:58:58 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Transmission of consciousness to machines. I want to escape this bag of meat quick as I can
MrFineGentleman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:28:09 on August 22, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If we're just wishing? Wish human could travel to alternate dimensions and I can use that mean of travel to escape to a place with nicer residents, don't matter if they're alien, but I had enough of "good friends".
If we're talking real possible achievement? I hope we have planet colonization technology, so we can start over if Earth is nuked to all hell.
JuxMaster ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:47:23 on August 24, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bandaids with time release anti-itch medication.
fetchbacktime ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:45 on August 26, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mainstream superhappiness technology. Or cities on Mars.
rafraska ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:53:42 on August 30, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to animal cruelty and exploitation
VirtuosoX ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 10:50:06 on September 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Reaching Mars or establishing world peace for at least 10 fucking years. (No wars or conflicts or North Korea threats). I'd also like to see every country developed so there is no such thing as a first would or developing country.
ChayenneCamomile ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:20:00 on September 3, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI and the fall of Crony capitalism
-The-Senate- ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 09:23:12 on September 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Half Life 3
MildeMastracci ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:05:40 on October 4, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Pictures of the alpha centuri system
Jaybleezie ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:09:20 on October 10, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace
BeigeCouch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 07:32:29 on November 1, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality technology.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 00:14:22 on November 19, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Going to Mars would be awesome
liamisabossss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:42:28 on December 29, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace. Peace and freedom in the middle east and N. Korea. Also super advanced medicine
CygnusSong ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 14:35:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of capitalism
darkjungle ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:29:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Replaced with...?
GetSongified ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 16:47:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
BallsDandy ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:06:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AUTOMATED
PlaidCyclops ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:21:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
COMMUNISM
darkjungle ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:35:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So laziness then
Shuffledrive ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:49:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The alternative is Democratic Socialism! (:
The path to Democratic Socialism is to work to democratize the workplace, placing ownership of business in the hands of the workers by evolving the power and structure of unions, eventually mandating unions for every workplace. This will make it easier for the workers to later aquire collective ownership of the means of production.
Meanwhile, the major means of production should be aquired by the public (i.e. food, housing, utilities, internet, etc.)
Taking this multifaceted approach can allow a democracy to decide whether or not we wish to continue to use markets as a mechanism for the means of distribution, or if we want to move to a more equitable mechanism (central planning being top idea among US socialists)
Please check out Democratic Socialists of America at dsausa.org!
darkjungle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:45:53 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That just sounds like capitalism with extra steps.
Shuffledrive ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:53:54 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, it sounds like you may not know what capitalism is.
Capitalism means that private individuals make most of the money in the economy, not by working, but by owning.
We call this class the "bourgeoisie" or even "the 1%."
They don't actually work for a living, their paycheck comes from owning huge swaths of our economy.
Currently, if you actually do something in the economy (write code, sell things, work construction, etc) you are the working class.
We call this class the "prolitariat."
About 90% of the wealth a worker makes goes to the bourgeoisie, that is to say, 90% of the wealth of a worker goes to the 1% who did nothing to earn it.
Democratic Socialism ensures workers earn the wealth they generate.
In Capitalism, a handful of the rich control the government, nearly all private industry, and the lives of 99% of people.
JimmyShak ยท -16 points ยท Posted at 13:44:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of capitalism and class-based societies.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 20:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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JimmyShak ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:58:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Owning an iPhone (or indeed anything else produced today) cannot be avoided. Unless you live in North Korea or the middle of the Amazon jungle, you must, by definition, partake in some form of capitalism as it is everywhere.
It's like saying a slave should go naked and hungry if he wants to break away from his master and no longer wish to live in a slave based society.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:24:35 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
NO MOM I WON'T CLEAN MY ROOM I'M FIGHTING CAPITALISM, GOD
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 11:34:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
Zaldarr ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:22:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
FULLY
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:35:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
[deleted]
SenorMeltyface ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AUTOMATED
mtndewaddict ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:37:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
LUXURY
dreemurthememer ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:35:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GAY
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:04:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
GENOCIDAL
Chernabog93 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:46:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SQUIRRELS
feminismisdairyfree ยท -25 points ยท Posted at 14:40:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ending animal agriculture. Here are some of the benefits:
Ending world hunger, being able to feed all that crop to people instead of animals.
Ending heart disease, which is directly caused by saturated fat and cholesterol and kills 25% of adults in the US.
Ending the 60 billion per year animal genocide.
Ending the horrible environmental effects such as methane production, ocean dead zones due to waste, overfishing the seas which are predicted to be emptied within years.
Raikunen ยท 12 points ยท Posted at 16:21:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Idk why youre getting downvoted because to me this seems like a plausible vision to work for. We have the means to replace actual meat for example. If only we had a world with logical people.
marx2k ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:48:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You must be new here. Never expect a post on Reddit speaking against eating meat to be upvoted
Raikunen ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 06:56:25 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I get it, ive been eating meat my whole life aswell. Its so damn tasty. But i personally feel kind of shitty about it every time because id rather the world filled with some meat replacement with the same great taste. We totally have the means to so why not ^
Friedcuauhtli ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:59:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I was just like you a few months ago, honestly it's hard making a lifestyle change, but maintaing a vegan diet is as easy any other diet.
onmuhphone ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:47:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think a more plausible route would be to replace farmed meat rather than meat altogether. Lab meat advancing could mean cheaper, higher quality meat without the huge environmental impact or ethical issues associated with large scale farming. Who knows, maybe the processes could be built upon and eventually do the same for egg and dairy production.
NormanScottDPP ยท 36 points ยท Posted at 15:54:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Animals aren't why we haven't ended world hunger. We haven't ended world hunger because there is more profit in lighting wheat on fire and dumping milk out to keep the price at a certain point than there is in letting the prices come down so everyone can afford to eat.
Capitalism creates some seriously fucked up priorities.
Mr-Frog ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:04:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.
There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.
Varean ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What is this from?
Mr-Frog ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck. Good book.
Friedcuauhtli ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:24:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Which is more profitable, meat or grains? How much rainforest is cleared for cattle feed? How much food is wasted feeding livestock that could go directly to people? How much would we reduce greenhouse gas emission by the cessation of animal agriculture?
NormanScottDPP ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:54:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We burn wheat already. As long as we maintain present agricultural policies to maintain stable prices, ending meat production just means more wheat and corn gets burned, and a bunch of cattle are wastefully slaughtered or starved to death.
Congratulations, world hunger is no closer to being solved but a bunch of vegans get to feel better.
sdmitch16 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:19:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Also, third worlders get to feel better since sea level will be lower, storms will be lighter, and weather will be more predictable due to reduced climate change from the rainforest not being cut down. First worlders will benefit from reduced ocean acidification.
NormanScottDPP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:26:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All valid points that I agree with. But not the point that was being argued.
Varean ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is proven though that the cost to produce 1lb of meat is more than the vegetarian equivalent. Overall we could provide more food that is healthier if meat was removed from everyone's diet.
NormanScottDPP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:56:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We can end world hunger right now. Like, right fucking now. We'd just have to stop burning excess crop yield. But we don't. Because the glut of supply would drop wheat prices. It's more beneficial for big, powerful agribusiness to let people starve, so they starve. It's not meat that caused world hunger, it's pure, unadulterated human greed.
AniviaPls ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:04:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This shit angers me. Why isnt this information more broadcasted?
Also, if everyone went vegan this second, the world would surely prosper. But its unrealistic. I can only control myself
NormanScottDPP ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:53:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not widely published because people would get angry. First they'd get angry because the waste of food when people are starving. Second they'd get angry when they realize the price of milk and other foods is artificially high.
By keeping it quiet they can persuade people that there just isn't enough to go around, if more people knew, more people would be pissed off at the rich corporations.
Testiclese ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:44:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/me raises eyebrow slightly while chewing on a chicken wing
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:23:56 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's not animal genocide you idiot, it's the evolutionary food chain.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 16:08:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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wxsted ยท 9 points ยท Posted at 16:20:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Animal agriculture actually increases the consume of crops. With the crops used to feed animals you could directly feed more people than with the meat of those animal.
Friedcuauhtli ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:26:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Non gmo plants are still more sustainable than meat, I can't speak for op but I'm pro gmo as long as responsible pesticide use is being practiced.
feminismisdairyfree ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 16:39:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no such thing as "humane slaughter". Is there a way you would be happy killing your dog at a year old?
I'm not anti GMO at all. Why would we run out of crops? We are currently feeding 80% of the worlds crops to animals and we aren't running out now, having more space and resources dedicated to crops would just result in more crops.
Loganwad95 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:10:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new constitution
[deleted] ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:37:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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baftap ยท 16 points ยท Posted at 13:36:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why? I don't really know a massive amount about economics, but communism seems to have far more flaws that's capitalism. I can't seem to find any articles online that seems like a non bias evaluation of capitalism/ communism/ socialism. I constantly see people on Reddit say communism is their dream, but their only real point is because capitalism is bad.
mtndewaddict ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:52:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm a libertarian socialist because it's the ultimate form of democracy. The government and economy are the two most controlling factors in our lives, and we should be the ones they're beholden to. By having the workers collectively own the work place and making all power positions (board, mangers, etc.) elected by the workers, the economy naturally becomes more equitable.
BladeHoldin ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 13:30:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How is a system where someone who works 10x harder than others but gets compensated equally an egalitarian system? Equality of outcome is evil, everyone should be striving for equality of opportunity.
[deleted] ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 14:08:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Exactly why socialization and democratization of workplaces and society are so crucial. Workers should truly be rewarded for their labour-power, with no bourgeois leeches exploiting their labour.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:39:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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PM_ME_AMAZON_GC ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 11:48:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of poverty
cherryhillman ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:31:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see religion made harmless.
Bassoonbigot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:06:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing automobile accidents stop being a leading cause of death.
CapinWinky ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:38:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ban fossil fuel for electrical utilities and new cars/trucks and ships. It might take a while for aircraft.
gogromat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:44:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Switch to a AnCom or RBE form of societal organization. Or at least to a social democracy like in Nordic countries. Hopefully worldwide.
ArtemisHydra ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Time travel, regeneration foods (increase heal and lifespan) the OASIS, high tech ninja wear (wall walkable boots jet packs) and the ability to defy gravity
chetohocaf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:55:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean, I can't be the only one that immediately thought: new record over at r/buttsharpies.
terdroblade ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:33:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One planet, one nation. Too bad I probably won't see it happen in my lifetime. I'm 32 btw
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:52:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for cancer.
Future__Pooper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A human colonization of another planet
giftdestruction ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:07:18 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Human extinction.
MISANTHROPY UNTIL EXTINCTION. Either that. Or this.. "The greatest speech ever made." https://youtu.be/WibmcsEGLKo
PrinnyThePenguin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A true AI.
chekako ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:19:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see human race finally realize that islam is cancer of our civilization, and that socialism will never work. Only then we will be able to focus on achieving all those things we really want.
livingwithghosts ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:34:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Complete eradication of all cancers.
That would be something.
SoTiredOfWinning ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:37:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's simple. Sex robots.
romgal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:45:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Civilian jet packs!!!! Please!
ShadowOvertaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:55:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man successfully interacting with a coconut for an extended period of time, without it going horribly wrong.
Lard_Baron ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A 4day working week would be great. 3 day weekends all the time.
Jake-Chillenhaal ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Completely driverless cars. I mean people aren't even allowed to drive themselves. Think iRobot. It'll get rid of all accidents and more importantly to me, traffic. People are too stupid to drive.
muvemaker ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:09:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of organized religion.
airbarf ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No more useless/illegal/suspicious/imperialistic wars
cbessemer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True AI that destroys us, because we fucking deserve it at this point.
Panserrschreck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:16:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Euthanasia clinics. A dream come true.
Kam1n0kaze ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:26:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sara Jay doing anal.
popcornjellybea-n ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:29:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First female U.S. President
_-dude-_ ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True world peace.
stillhasmuchness ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for all cancers. A cure for Alzheimer's. Would also like to see a government of the people, by the people and for the people.
SirEarlBigtitsXXVII ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:44:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The clearcutting of what's left of our old growth forests. I would like to see all virgin ecosystems destroyed in favor of land development and strip mining, preferably coal. I hope that I am alive long enough to witness the polar ice caps melt completely, and the state of Florida dissappear as a result of rising sea levels. I hope to witness disease and famine on an apocalyptic scale. But most of all, I hope to have the privilege of seeing the depletion of the world's oil reserves and the chaos that will ensue when the one thing our entire society is built upon is suddenly gone. I want it to see it all burn, baby burn!
Rugbyman5280 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:09:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of the U.K. A united Ireland and Scottish independence
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:13:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the cigarette industry. People need to stop smoking.
berock212 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:39:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism taking over
TrussTGrotesque ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:47:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism.
Maxnelin ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sentencing of Trump to life in prison.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
On what charges?
meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An America that actually fulfills the promise our founding father set for all its citizens.
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:18:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women, LGBT, blacks, felons and people who aren't rich honestly.
meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Really anybody who isn't white and poor white too
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:26:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mark Furman , the lead detective in the OJ case, is a felony because he lied and said he didn't say the n word. Now he can't vote, can't own a gun or any weapons and was forced out the police station because he couldn't afford to fight his case and was found guilty of perjury. Never went to jail or anything and it changed his life forever and he was a cop, imagine all the regular civilians who can't afford to fight cases and end up with felonies. Think about the countless cases in Baltimore happening now where cops are planting evidence and ruining lives
Women make $.70 for every $1 a man makes and the country as a whole knows that yet the people with the ability to change it haven't even tried to fix the problem
As a black person you are at least 4x more likely to get pulled over by cops or not get called back for a job. Also if You get pulled over for being black and don't have anything the cop will never admit that so you'll at least get some bull shit ticket and ended up having to pay a $500 fine or what not because some cop assumed you were doing something illegal and that's if they don't end up planting some drugs on you.
LGBT is literally having troubles being in be military just because of their sexual orientation not to mention the justice department is currently arguing whether the civil rights act cover sexual orientation discrimination.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:58:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you honestly believe there is nothing wrong with America?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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meohmi ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:33:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump theoretically started at the bottom and is now president, which is pretty much the American dream right?
JengaPlayer ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:14:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The USA adopting universal healthcare for all.
Edit: I went shopping for healthcare and it depressed me that health insurance companies aren't obligated to cover emergency hospital stays. So this one company offered "HOSPITAL PACKAGE ADD ONS" for more fees. What a sad greedy time to be alive.
Dey_took_our_jerbs ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see the liberals figure out what gender they really are.
Aztecah ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:47:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fall of the American Republic
backthatNASup ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:50:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
White ethnostate
marshallmars ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:07:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Seeing the fall of N Korea
GrayCS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:16:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialism in the west. That'd be cool.
Microtendo ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Venezuela is in the West and it doesn't seem to be too cool there....
GrayCS ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It's in the southern hemisphere. I mean the first world. (Also, it's not socialist. Neither is Bolivia or Nicaragua whilst we're at it.)
embernator ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:50:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see better (more functional, accessible, affordable, etc) solutions for transgender people
vasundhar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cure for Cancer
rocknroll1343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:07:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The transition from capitalism to socialism.
Kusaji ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:08:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
oh dear god please say you're joking.
rocknroll1343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:10:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Capitalism won't last forever. It's had a good run but it's time to hang it up.
Kusaji ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:36:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And a system where everyone is equal regardless of effort they put in is a better system how?
rocknroll1343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And with that I'm certain that you don't know anything about socialism. Here's a hint. Everything that you hear about socialism being repeated over and over by people that don't know shit about it is quite wrong and has been purposely spread to make sure that you never question capitalism so that those in power will stay in power. A few years ago I was just like you, but then I did my own research about socialism and I found out exactly WHY it is that billions of people on this planet think that it's a good idea. Trust me if socialism was what YOU think it is, why would anyone want that? Do your own research.
boom456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:43:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You've peaked my interest. What do you think socialism is, what benefits do you think it will have. And how do you think it can be implemented successfully?
rocknroll1343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I've got to get to work soon so I'll try to make it quick but I still encourage you to do more thorough research from as unbiased as you can find sources. Honestly Wikipedia is pretty decent.
Socialism is workers control of the means of production. What we have now is private control by a CEO or board of directors. Our current system makes work into a top down dictatorship where people at the bottom have almost no say in anything the company they work for does. You might say "well yeah because they aren't the ones who own and founded the company" fair point, but having only a few people in charge of the production of all of the goods we use is one of the major problems of capitalism that socialism seeks to fix. Right now jobs are treated as a charity to people who own no productive infrastructure as in people who only have their labor to sell. Companies have almost total power over the majority of people who decide whether or not they will be allowed to make money to survive. Socialism six to take this dictatorial system and make it into a democratic system. Under socialism private individuals would not own any company themselves but instead the workers at that company would own it collectively and control it collectively.
I think that this could have incredible benefits to everybody because under this system unemployment does not need to exist because as companies now strive for absolutely maximum profit production under socialism would strive for the most efficient use of resources. This means The more people you hire doesn't mean it cuts into your profits but it does mean that more can be produced. Under capitalism people are only able to acquire what they need by purchasing them with money that they've earned by selling their labor. If someone is unable to sell their labor they are on able to survive without any assistance. Under socialism people would be provided for based on their needs which means that they would be provided housing food and health care simply because they need it. The myth that people will only work if they are threatened with poverty is completely untrue and spread by those who is interest it is to keep capitalism around. With socialism homelessness poverty and a lot of crime that is related to poverty would be a thing of the past.
I believe this can be implemented in many different ways. The first of which would be a gradual transition by having more and more privately owned companies restructured as worker cooperatives. The reason that socialist revolutions often have to resort to violence is not because they are inherently violent but because those in power refuse to give up power without violence. what do you think would happen if millions of people took to the streets demanding that CEOs and boards of executives turn control over their companies to the workers? What has happened in the past and what will continue to happen is that police or the military will come and break up the protest.
As long as structures exist in power that sole purpose is to hold up the status quo a.k.a. capitalism it will be less and less likely that a socialist revolution could take place without any blood shed. This is an unfortunate truth that sadly cannot be avoided.
Like I said I've gotta get going now, but check out the socialist starter pack at r/socialism101 and feel free to (respectfully because we always get trolls) ask questions there that you have about socialism. You'll find most of your questions have already been answered.
boom456 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 20:37:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'll, whilst you have given me a better understanding of what socialism incarnate may be, you have not convinced me as to how it would be beneficial. I see no way in which a communal ownership of a private entity would make any real difference, yes the factory worker will own more shares of the company perhaps But that doesn't mean that he'll be any better off. Not to mention that the higher level of democratic ownership could slow down potential progress, due to (for lack of a better word) bureaucracy. Perhaps other social policies implemented by the state could provide to people's needs better however I don't see how communal ownership of companies could fund all these things when they're not solely interested in profits and more interested in providing for their labourers.
Anyway enjoy work
rocknroll1343 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:38:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I don't think I explained well enough then. Oh well like I said r/socialism101 is a great source. Have a good day!
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The willful abolition of all religion.
Haydentk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:46:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An openly atheist American president.
tuyguy ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:47:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A Trump political dynasty which solves: debt crisis, climate change, government corruption, energy crisis and makes America great again.
Preferably with Ivanka as the first female president.
themightytumblar ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:51:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I threw up in my mouth.
calum__morton ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A working lightsaber
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer cured. I know it's too big of a shot but I've been frequenting the children's hospital in my city (I donate blood) and I'd give half of my existence to have kids there (and of course, anyone) saved.
frylock350 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see de-extinction on a massive scale. I what to go to "Pleistocene Park" and see Smilodon, Mammoths, Terror Birds, etc. Some Russia dude already has land for a pleistocene rewilding effort
I want to see the discovery of life on Enceladus, Europa, and/or Mars. At the very least I want is to have thoroughly explored the worlds to find out.
And since I can't have a lightsaber due to the laws of physics... can I have a Zat?
lnickelly ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see the next innovation in vehicular travel. The past would tell you hover cars would be the future but that's a stupid silly idea for multiple reasons. Basically I want to see what comes after self driving vehicles, or at least see that perfected
sillyribbit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A BBC series of Harry Potter that follows the books and leaves nothing out.
allliesandjest ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
obliteration of poverty
Benutzernamenersatz ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HIV and AIDS healed (also for the poor).
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation.
Wynner3 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Medical Tricorder and Holodeck from Star Trek.
Mello2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Removal of all the world's nuclear weapons.
StarSpangledHuck ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Space Navy
DinduNuffin420NShit ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:25:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully legalize and normalize child-adult relationships. I think it's time for people to stop being so close-minded when it comes to these issues and to finally accept facts , not "muh feelingans" as an excuse to avoid reality.
IrwinElGrande ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 21:36:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Accept facts?
Fact 1: children don't have the mental capacity to consent to a child-adult relationship.
Fact 2: Go fuck yourself.
saarlac ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:31:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Women shutting the fuck up about closing the toilet seat.
Tanuki93 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully understand the human brain.
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:05:01 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's actually kind of scary.
geroshizzle ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:44:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dabbing to be punishable by death.
AstralBliss ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Extraterrestrial contact
WasteOfHeadspace ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:46:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton behind bars and a viable 3rd Party.
randyspotboiler ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Socialized living and healthcare
Extension of human life.
Reversal of aging and disease.
Reversal of pollution and global warming.
Computer "Singularity" where all information networks are joined
Contact with alien civilization
Spaceflight for everyone
Cheap and better fake boobs, butts, and penis extensions.
Achizzy1018 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:49:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Outlandish: Humanity being able to create wormholes
Realistic: Powering our society without using fossil fuels
KvasirsBlod ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Achieve immortality / reverse ageing. Hurry up please
AnOddShadeOfStrange ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality
ingrown_hair ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see the US win the World Cup.
Skirtsmoother ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:13:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans finally colonizing the Middle East and North Africa.
followyourjewnose88 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:22:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The total eradication of the Jewish parasite from the globe
lostinanecho ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:32:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of men fucking coconuts
miz578 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 23:49:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of business as usual in politics. -End of the drug war. -End of corporate campaign donations. -End of the 2 party puppet show -No more militarized police patrolling black neighborhoods -No more civil forfetuire -Sunset clause for any new law passed -Term limits on all political positions -And the list goes on...
SWG2001 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer, HIV, diabetes and Donald Trump impeached and a national health care system in this country that works.
Danjlee33 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:25:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An end to homelessness
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:35:58 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Affordable healthcare for everyone. Yes, really everyone, that doesn't line some insurance agency/government bastard's pockets.
needmorekarma777 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Saving the fucking planet.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
trump's impeachment and removal
2sixzero ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:38:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Climate change actually being actively and intensely dealt with instead of ignored for profits.
solorzxno ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:55:19 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wanna get 100 upvotes on reddit :-(
WalMartSkills ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:44:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whats kinda funny is that most the top comments are already done or capable of being done but because of capitalism and government secrecy, most of us believe that we haven't done or been able to do that stuff yet. Ie: we've most definitely found and interacted with life forms not from earth, we most definitely already have free energy for everyone, we most definitely could go to mars right now if those certain people weren't so secretive about the proper technology that most definitely exists. You can pretend like none of this exists but its been proven time after time that it does...the world is just full of evil people who want to milk every penny that we have in every stage of technology first.
thelittleking ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 23:26:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Shit I came to controversial to see people arguing about communism, not read the script for next year's Ancient Aliens show on the History channel.
[deleted] ยท -23 points ยท Posted at 13:12:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MelMes85 ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:39:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow what an insightful comment.
iforgotmypen ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:42:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
He's working on it as fast as he can! The man's an obese 71 year old, he can only fuck himself up so many times a day between golf rounds.
steelersman007 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:34:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Woo the fall of your president
DJ_Jacknife ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:38:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True equality
MokeTheory ยท -40 points ยท Posted at 13:48:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Worldwide veganism.
MokeTheory ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 18:08:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I wonder why this comment is downvoted? I sincerely answered a question that was asked of me, am I not contributing to the discussion in a productive way?
n21dsleep ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 19:38:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
People are gonna downvote u cause they hate your opinion lol. It's annoying when they do that
MokeTheory ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 19:49:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I know :)
AniviaPls ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:11:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The dream. No more animal abuse
[deleted] ยท 21 points ยท Posted at 15:25:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nothing like multiple nutritional deficiencies to grow big and strong.
Friedcuauhtli ยท 13 points ยท Posted at 15:58:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, because nutritional deficiencies never arise in meat eaters, also meat eaters have incredibly low occurrences of chronic disease compared to vegans, and there are no such thing as vegan athletes totally makes sense
ChrisRunsTheWorld ยท 11 points ยท Posted at 15:43:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like what?
AniviaPls ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 18:10:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone needs to read a book lol
MokeTheory ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:22:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think veganism will result in nutritional deficiencies? The federal department of health has acknowledged that veganism is healthy for all stages of human life.
cheesywink ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:36:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Didn't they give us the food pyramid too, though? Or was that some other group?
MokeTheory ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 19:53:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The food pyramid is from the USDA. I pulled up the old pyramid booklet and it states that the pyramid is a guide, not a rigid plan. Also, their new version is Choose My Plate and they've changed it quite a bit.
marx2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:56:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You don't agree with the door panic, which doesn't have anything to do with the department of health, therefore anything the department of health States you disagree with?
Sound logic
[deleted] ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 16:39:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MokeTheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:09:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No what?
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:33:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MokeTheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:39:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:42:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MokeTheory ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:56:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Here's two of many good reasons: 1) Needlessly harming sentient beings is morally wrong 2) Animal agriculture is the leading cause of environmental damage
I'd be happy to discuss either of these.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:49:27 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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MokeTheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:12:38 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, I understand morality is subjective, but animal rights is a logical extension of human rights. To needlessly deny sentient animals the right to life but give that to humans is logically inconsistent. Do you think that it's okay to needlessly kill humans? I'll assume you don't. Then what makes you think it's okay to needlessly kill sentient animals? What is the difference in animals that if present in humans would make it okay to needlessly kill us?
Post from the Stanford environmental law journal that references multiple sources like the United Nationโs Food and Agriculture Organization and the USDA
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:08:50 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But its not 'needless' if we need to eat
And yes, I know you'll cite Veganism but starving yourself of nutrients isn't my idea of a healthy diet
MokeTheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 02:44:37 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What makes you think that vegans must lack nutrients? There are literally millions of vegans around the world including athletes, body builders, and strong men. Actually, a German, vegan strongman currently holds two strongman world records. Just google if veganism is healthy you will see it is widely accepted as healthy by our government and scientific communities.
356afan ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:08:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then what would we eat?
mtndewaddict ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:59:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What we feed the animals.
356afan ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:40:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Like coyotes, bears, and mountain lions? They eat meat!
mtndewaddict ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 20:41:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't realized we industrially farmed coyotes, bears, and mountain lions like we do cows, chickens, pigs etc.
356afan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:23:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You never mentioned what animals. :)
mtndewaddict ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 22:36:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then TIL we feed lions, coyotes, and bears.
gpl999 ยท 15 points ยท Posted at 16:11:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
They eat shit I think.
MelMes85 ยท 10 points ยท Posted at 15:40:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plant-based food, and so much more of it.
MokeTheory ยท 17 points ยท Posted at 15:13:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Plants.
MokeTheory ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 18:23:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This person seems to be asking an honest question. No need to down vote.
PartTimeLegend ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:16:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realise we have all this land we raise animals on to kill and eat them? If we all went vegan we wouldn't need cows and the like. We'd want to build on that land. So apart from a few cows at the zoo we would just kill off the rest to reclaim the land.
MokeTheory ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 02:54:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
None of this justifies needlessly killing sentient beings. It's wrong, no matter what would happen if we stopped. Anything else?
OvertimeWr ยท -12 points ยท Posted at 14:32:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A society that doesn't acknowledge religion. We'd all be better of just being decent human beings to each other because it's the right thing to do instead of solely with the promise of some sort of better afterlife.
Edit: Bring on the downvotes religious zealots.
[deleted] ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:13:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So a society that dictates what the people should believe? What could go wrong?
marx2k ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 22:02:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I didn't see anything about dictation in ops comment. Must have missed it
agreatbecoming ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:10:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Crewed mission to Mars. Eradication of malaria. Commercial fusion energy. Cats that stay kittens.
StealthDropBear ยท -8 points ยท Posted at 14:18:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The elimination of superstitious thinking. People wanting to help each other now and not trying to run other people's lives by books written long ago by imaginary gods.
steelersman007 ยท 6 points ยท Posted at 17:39:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hey guys! I found the atheist /s but for real. You telling me to stop believing in God is telling me how to run my life
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:16:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah!! Let's elemibate everyonr with a specific belief!! I just can think of a way to exterminate that many people so quickly.
Especially the Muslims! How terrible is it that their book says either turn to their religion or die!
What could go wrong?
marx2k ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:05:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Go home, troll. You're drunk.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:34:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Marxism always works well!!!
[deleted] ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:22:19 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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604kevin ยท 8 points ยท Posted at 16:44:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Clearly you have the universe figured out my euphoric friend
steelersman007 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:41:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You do realize that would be worse...
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:45:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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steelersman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:22:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Science has no morals. We would push it too far into the age of designer babies
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:35:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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steelersman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 06:06:29 on August 9, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You realize we're gonna reach a point real soon where humanity is going to have to make a decision on what's too fsr
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:51:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are not making religion better
You are making science worse
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:46:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:56:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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Dauntless_99 ยท -9 points ยท Posted at 15:14:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump impeached and Putin ousted from power without a worse tyrant taking hold.
CheapBastid ยท -26 points ยท Posted at 14:45:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I scanned through the top six hundred and didn't see it:
A full exposure and accounting of all the crimes and misdemeanors of the Trump Crime Family resulting in the seizure of all their assets (foreign an domestic) and their incarceration.
To have that kind of extreme flagrant disregard of the tenets of our legal system, leveraging it to bully and steamroll illegal actions is unconscionable.
To have this family running our great nation is a wound that needs the kind of healing that involves a full accounting of their actions and the full measure of the law used to issue consequences, in order to set an example for all those who hide behind their money to avoid them in this country.
fibonacci_11235 ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 15:25:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The fuck you on?
CheapBastid ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:30:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Righteous Indignation
(it's a helluva drug)
fibonacci_11235 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:31:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sounds subjective. Don't hold your breath.
CheapBastid ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:35:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Please outline an objective and clear case for the opposite:
I'd love to not be angry at the state of our great nation.
fibonacci_11235 ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 15:38:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why is it that you expect me to prove my point when it is you and your ideology that have lost? The burden of proof, as of November 2016, rests on your shoulders, not mine.
I'm running out of popcorn.
CheapBastid ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You made a claim - my statement was 'subjective'.
If you're not interested in backing that claim, that's cool. I'll just take it as your subjective opinion.
fibonacci_11235 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 15:43:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes my opinion is subjective as are all opinions. If we must speak of claims, then I must remind you that the initial claim was you stating that the Trump family is corrupt and criminal. Sounds like you have more to prove than me. Regardless, feel free to reply again if you so strongly feel the need to have the last say; as if that makes you be the winner of this quasi-argument. Stay true and MAGA fellow patriot.
CheapBastid ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:48:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You are sure that this does not apply to his actions over the decades of his very public exploits?
You are sure that this does not apply to his actions over the decades of his very public exploits?
It is a subjective marker, but as you know Extraordinary Claims require Extraordinary Evidence. My subjective marker is the repeated statements by him in public, print, video along with the many court cases that back my opinion that he is both criminal and corrupt.
What is your evidence that he is not?
mrcoolguy1_1 ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:42:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not picking sides, but you didn't point out any specific incidents.
CheapBastid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:36:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You sure you're not picking sides?
fibonacci_11235 clearly indicated they were not interested in letting me know what objective evidence there was that Donald J Trump is an honest law abiding virtuous individual, yet you're asking me to supply evidence that he is not?
Am I missing out living in an odd world where statements by him in the media and in court have been such that they reveal a paragon of virtue?
mrcoolguy1_1 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:08:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
True, but you said you would give specific incidents. You really dont have to tbh but you DID say you would.
CheapBastid ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:11:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I never said I'd give specific incidents.
mrcoolguy1_1 ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 19:17:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My apologies. I meant that you said that he didnt, kinda like you did. Sorry for the miscommunication on my part.
steelersman007 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 17:40:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Give me one illegal action trump did that even compares to the Clinton foundation and it's just straight up corruption
CheapBastid ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 17:41:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
WHATABOUTISM to the Rescue!
steelersman007 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:22:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
But is it wrong? Clinton foundation funds paid for Chelsea's wedding, money that was donated by foreign governments during the time Clinton was in office. Name me something trump has done that is even on the spetrum of that
CheapBastid ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It is wrong.
The issue is not 'What about what CHARLES MANSON DID! Is DJT as bad as MANSON?!??!?!"
The question on the table: "Is DJT a corrupt criminal?"
Callimandicus ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 13:58:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
McDonald's needs to make some more of that sweet, sweet szechuan sauce
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 11:41:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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themagicchicken ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:08:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Whoa, whoa, let's not get too crazy here.
Crazykirsch ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:14:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
intelligent life that disproves religion and the subsequent crisis of faith.
604kevin ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:43:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One cannot
Crazykirsch ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:55:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
good point, religion itself cannot be disproved as it is very real, I should have said disprove god or specific faiths.
RinkyInky ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:20:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some Reddit gold
ToAlphaCentauriGuy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:20:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Recognition that religion is a way to make humans feel better about death, and only that.
bumyourmum ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:35:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The collective realisation that we don't need religion any more would be fabulous.
Captain_Panic316 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:47:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A repost getting downvoted
Edit: not saying this is a repost, im just trying to be reasonable.
Louie69eyes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 14:48:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If they can successfully create a good Akira live action I'll be happy.
biggerbetterjobs ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:06:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Finding out what's on the other side of a black hole.
Kevman403 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:10:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A black hole isn't really a hole at all, but instead a pin-point of almost immeasurable mass. The reason it appears as a hole is because all light traveling near it gets pulled in. But really there's a sphere just like any planet or star.
PM_ME_UR_WIFES_BEWBS ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:09:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Just everyone getting along. World Peace, I suppose. It's so depressing hearing about people hate/hurt/kill other people. Sure, we all have differences of opinion but it's just all so exhausting.
LinkLovesTacos ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:09:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The completion of Crazy Horse in South Dakota. It'll probably never happen though.. :/
stackered ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:16:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
negligible senescence
52NUKE ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:18:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World piece.
AmnesiaTDD ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:22:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Commercialized teleportation via molecular rearrangement chambers that are linked wirelessly. Wanna visit Sweden? Sure! Just buy your tele-tickets online, head to your nearest teleportation station and off you go!
Kirito619 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:48:16 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm pretty sure that would kill you and create a perfect copy of you at the other end.
FuckingPotzer ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:28:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The border wall.
MaxMustermane ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My parents getting a divorce.
Or more practically, a solid healthcare system that can be utilized globally... Almost like a... universal healthcare of sorts.
Or more realistically, humans starting to grow truly understanding of one another.
But I don't have that long of a lifespan to see any of these things lmao
stompinstinker ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:43:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cancer (fuck), alzheimers (also fuck), man on mars, have already been covered. I think I want the biggest one figured out: poverty and income inequality. We need to figure out some sort of universal basic income or something.
Pratraemala ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:47:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality.
The_Aesir9613 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 15:57:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mosquitoes that spread desease need to become extinct.
bordone ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:31:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Peaceful revolution in the U.S. that results in amending our constitution to be completely rewritten. New form of government removes the Representative aspect. Also Florida and most of the south being swallowed up by the ocean AKA the one good aspect of global warming.
Ms-Mad-Hatter ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:33:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace. Ya I know it's probably not achievable in my lifetime but it's good to dream
Asddan703 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:33:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some way of linking minds together and creating a way of speaking to each other faster and more efficient and not having to explain everything because of little misunderstanding or incorrect use of language, speak using emotion through a kind of Telepathy Edit: telepathy not telekinesis
Lillera ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:39:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me getting some upvotes on Reddit
Vincent_Van_Stop ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:40:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Nuclear Holocaust.
Glasgow34 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:40:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
to land on the moon
Ashton_Doovis ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of politics and political correctness. We're all too sensitive now.
Karbairusa ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:42:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see people actually talk to each other. Really talk to each other. We all pass by each other every day, exchanging fake smiles and small talk. No one really sits down and talks to someone they don't know. We don't know anything about each other, we all pretend to like each other so we can move on with our day, and it's not natural. We should be able to connect and share our real feelings, our real experiences and dreams. Be truthful about your life or how you feel with others. People just seem like they don't want to talk to other people. It's rare that I meet a stranger and we actually can have a conversation about something other than typical topics. You rarely connect like that with other people, because other people close their connections. I want to see togetherness.
Elsinore3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:44:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd love to see the first person step onto Mars. Watching footage of the Moon landings makes me tear up every time, and it would be be so incredible to watch someone set foot on another planet!
6180339887 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:03:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mass distribution of immortality pills.
frythebrains ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:07:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboards
Revan733 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:20:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of PC culture and the end of feminism.
Rockstar81 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Access to clean water for all. Basic medical care. And equal rights.
robotron91 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:22:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A man eat his own head.
HoneyBadgerMongoose ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The movement toward people eating a more plant-based diet, and less consumption of animal products. Animal agriculture is simply not sustainable for our environment and is destroying our planet at a rapid rate. Check out the documentary "Cowspiracy" on Netflix. This documentary puts into perspective how destructive this industry is on our environment.
ButtloveZombie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:37:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of humanity.
(Time's up, y'all. We're about done.)
standlc ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:40:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Earth becoming a type 3 civilization (kardashev dcale) at least.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:48:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
15,000 comments on a reddit topic called "What human achievement do you want to see during your lifetime?"......lol
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:50:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America drop another nuke
DirectlyTalkingToYou ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:01:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Teleportation.
It would also be useful for getting rid of cancer.
Cocodrool ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:11:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The extermination of socialism
Ezekiel_Valiente ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:25:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Get us back to the moon. With today's tech, we could finally murder the conspiracy.
Actually_a_Patrick ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:27:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The deniers will still say it happened on a soundstage and this time with cgi
Ssbgonaka ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:53:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Legalized suicide, for people who actually don't matter. That way their organs can be harvested and in a way they will matter in someone else's life
bangsecks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 18:57:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see a post-economic system where the costs of goods and services is near zero, the non-zero part of their value is automated, so that everyone can have their material needs met.
SarcasticNice ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:02:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone who intentionally uses their blinker
Mr-Lycalopex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:02:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
SKSE64
JimmieA18 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:06:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Some form of god lol
seat68 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:07:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Computer chip in my brain
sheef27 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:37:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see everyone everywhere denounce all religion and decide to just be decent people for the sake of being decent people
ghassen_rjab ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 19:38:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discover how existence exist and prove there is no god
Rush_Clasic ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My eyes must be all sorts of messed up: I thought the title read "What hurricane achievement..."
karm1t ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of fundamentalist religions of all types. They cause nothing but trouble.
Palmspringsflorida ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:02:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Developing the fountain of youth
skipavelli ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:36 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Arsenal winning the Champions League
jcsmile ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:03:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
USA Men's National team winning the World Cup
SuburbanDJ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:04:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure for cancer. One of my mother's friends passed away from bile duct cancer in 2010, and another friend suffered from brain cancer. I don't want to see anyone else suffer.
Rust-2-Dust ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:05:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
total consciousness download into an android body.
-PM-ME-YOUR-BOOBIES ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:05:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Full immersion Virtual Reality. All 5 senses activated. So badly.
killerezv ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:05:56 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cubs winning second world series
its_bme ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The Flying Car
usefulidiot213 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A sexbot that can also make a sandwich.
babeman083 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:06:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
cure for baldness. Have long for like 10 years now, my dad had hair loss when he was about 32 y/o, 6 years to go and i'm terrified to lose them...
Northwindlowlander ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:07:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Getting over obsessing about money
tappan ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:25:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singularity and subsequent takeover.
That'll in turn solve most of these other problems... or we all die. Meh.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:27:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:14 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I love meat but I would instantly switch to artificial meat if they could copy real meat exactly in everything from taste to texture.
alsomkid ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 20:51:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
An abo becoming human.
marrymejordain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 21:19:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see an end to racism and homophobia. It's impractical, there are always gonna be stupid/hateful people whose brains are incapable of tolerating people different than them, but it'd be nice if we could AT LEAST reach a point where being homophobic or racist was so socially unacceptable, that no one would ever dare be open about it.
JAllen206 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:20:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
8.99 second 100 meter run.
FACEMELTER720 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:22:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
America abolishing Daylight Savings Time and adopting the metric system.
HydroponicRogers ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:42:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with another sentient life. I'll probably never know what other lifeforms are out there and it drives me crazy.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:42:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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imsleepn ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:43:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
For spaceX to establish a independent and functioning colony on mars with a lot of potential to grow.
rjlast ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:44:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A ride out to space far enough to see that the earth isnt flat would be as affordable and common as skydiving
Pencilowner ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:45:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully self driving cars with all the bells and whistles. Being able to jump in the car friday night after work fall asleep and be two states over when you wake up. Weekend trips will be a whole different game.
locmew ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:45:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Effective immortality (Artificial bodies, cryo sleep, etc).
Because I want to see how far we can go as a species.
charlesk86 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Mattel Hover Board
heywoodJablomey_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Colonies in other star systems, out of the milky way. If we expand out to enough new planets, humanity will only end when the universe's heat death occurs, which is a long way out
JoshuaRAWR ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:46:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
To colonize another planet OR getting in contact with an extra terrestrial species (Could this be considered a human achievement?)
ichliebekohlmeisen ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a story about a guy banging a coconut reach the front page of Reddit.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:47:59 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cinnamon challenge
HI_IM_CAPS_LOCK123 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Live forever pill
NorthwestGiraffe ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:48:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Gravity manipulation.
Now that we can actually measure gravity waves, it's only a matter of time (or maybe it's the timing of matter?).
mechadragon469 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The rise of the US as he worlds clearly dominate poet once again with unbridled unquestioned authority
jessinat0r ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:49:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cure to all diseases and ailments.
d-101 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Discovering life beyond our own planet (Europa expedition perhaps?)
Tevontex ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:50:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Someone to actually dab on a hater.
TheBrixster ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:51:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see someone fuck a coconut successfully.
For real tho I think a cure for AIDS
Poe1982 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:52:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboards like we were promised
defrgthzjukiloaqsw ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:53:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Immortality pills (Expensive enough so that not everyone can have them, but cheap enough i can still have fun).
cypeo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:54:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contact with alien life Either we start a beneficial relationship with them or they wipe us all out win / win
GreatBayTemple ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:58:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Bring people back from the dead.
azigari ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Weed legalized globally.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 22:59:20 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World peace = global communism
cnewman11 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think I have the weight of the reddit community behind me when I say a "thin pill" so we can eat whatever and not be fat.
UberAnne ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:03:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Either legit contact with an intelligent alien species or human-level AI.
Spartar3mix ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:03:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just wanna be a fuckin cyborg
LandRac3 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:03:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want the cure for hiv, so I can be promiscuous and plow various diffrent woman.
JohnnyMnemo ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:04:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Contacting ET.
Ayushubh ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:04:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one needs to work ..Everyone smoking the ganja until they go blind..
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:06:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
10000 person orgy recorded in holographic video
zsephut ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:12:54 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guessing you haven't seen the spongebob meme then.
Also, *its ftfy
Lord_Ewok ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:14:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fully automated cars with a bathroom and a outlet.This way i can to wherever and just chill.Im a simple man.
Raxyzz ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:15:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The flying skate. I mean, it IS 2017 dammit!
TheDromes ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:15:51 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Moving past religion, unitied under scientific research and exploration
Divergentthinkr ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:15:57 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Vast majority of workforce and cars taken over by automation and AI, with decent universal basic income for all.
N3UROTOXIN ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:16:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
AI becoming dominant.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:17:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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N3UROTOXIN ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 23:18:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lick lick lick my balls!
pupucorrado194 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:18:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Two chicks at the same time...
Or somebody getting a million dollars.
horizontalrain ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:30:12 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Humans disregarding the concept of "race" we're all fucking human.
mcnergy ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:37:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Police enforcing laws against slow walker and people who stop right in the middle of sidewalk
MatrixAdmin ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 23:52:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The universal abolishment of the animal slaughter meat industry. Eventually, humanity will realize that raising, slaughtering and eating animals is horrible on many levels.
Blunderfool ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:04:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see a male to female trans person suck their own dick, then legally marry themselves and hyphenate their name so it's the same last name twice.
YolandiVissarsBF ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:08:46 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump winning a second term
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:10:29 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There is no human achievement. I couldn't care less ... the sooner we become extinct the better and I'm sure other species will have an easier time. Fuck humans.
writetehcodez ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:10:43 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a dude fuck a coconut.
imachinist ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:20:24 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion
cavedan12 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:46:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to witness someone visiting a new galaxy, or an alien lifeform...and then fuck it. And I'd be like, "There he goes. Homeboy fucked a Martian once."
roytoy1678 ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:55:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would like to see the powerful nations gather up their leaders and politicians, line them up against a wall, and machinegun them until nothing is left besides a fine red mist.
the_dinks ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:57:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The spread of more socialist style government around the world, especially the USA.
Every girl in the world growing up with the ability to read (and boys, but women in certain countries are barely taught at all).
JustinMagill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:03:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Ask Venezuela how thats going...
the_dinks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:31:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I mean democratic socialism but I didn't want to sound like the world's biggest Bernie bro.
JustinMagill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:35:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So you would rather sound like a uneducated millennial then a Sanders supporter?
the_dinks ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:41:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Rather be either than a "lifelong libertarian."
JustinMagill ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 10:27:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol rather live in blissful ignorance eh? Well dont worry VR technology is advancing at a good pace thanks to freearket capitalism. Eventually you will either realise that socialism doesnt work or slip on some VR goggles and live in a fanatsy land. So hey at least you have options.
Hg-CNO-2 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 02:37:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sick Bern, get it?
hotvision ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Republicans being wiped off the face of the earth.
ZachsLie ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:19:17 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fulfill the Great commission in my generation. By going and preaching the Gospel to the unreached and unengaged people groups so we can see the return of Jesus!
red-bearded ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:29:09 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of religion. I feel the world would finally find peace.
KyleJosephBoyd ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:34:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The repeal and replacement of Obamacare.
Followlost ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:43:49 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'd like to see us destroy or totally fuck up another planet for a change.
_organ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:14:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Job automation and universal basic income.
braddavery ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:21:30 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I would love to see us put a man on the moon in my lifetime.
[deleted] ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 02:39:11 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Education for all as in the same level of education for everyone not just the elite.
Phantasia5 ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 11:24:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Every single country in the world agreeing on one single and big treaty to end hunger,wars and all other harmful things all around the world to work together on human advancement and exploration of space.
Making peace run forever and working together about all problems to find solutions for every problem in the world and solving it.
People getting rid of their arrogance and ignorance.
Dumb people dying to natural selection.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:10:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Imperialism dictates the existence of oppressor and oppressed nations. There can be only harmful things while capital reigns supreme.
breakbeats573 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:51:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Try posting this over in the conspiracy subreddits
ports13_epson ยท -13 points ยท Posted at 13:51:10 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Anarchy. It's a shame I'm not confident in it happening
_Xon4_ ยท -11 points ยท Posted at 12:48:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sex rights for children.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:17:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I hope you are trolling
_Xon4_ ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:28:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My account history might offer more insight. In short, no.
[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 17:30:47 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Those beliefs are truely disgusting. Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, it is a mental disorder. Please seek help as it is a treatable mental condition
_Xon4_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 17:39:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6rxgsp/comment/dl8q8hw
Please look at this comment chain before judging me
Also
/ mental disorder
No, you are attracted to another human being = sexual orientation
/ treatable mental condition
You can not treat pedophilia in the same way you can't treat homosexuality. This is common knowledge please look it up. This statement isn't even up for debate it's a fact.
[deleted] ยท 7 points ยท Posted at 17:44:34 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
No one has a right to molest an underage child. The child's consent is irrelevant. If a bunch of pediphiles get blue balls I really don't give a shit
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
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[deleted] ยท 5 points ยท Posted at 18:18:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm not talking about getting crushes and kissing. I'm talking about sexual interaction.
No one, regardless of consent, should have sex with a child. Ever.
Also, you use the > to quote, dumbass
_Xon4_ ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 18:33:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
/ I'm not talking about getting crushes and kissing. I'm talking about sexual interaction.
It is a natural progression no matter the age. If children see other people having sex (which they would if it wasn't a more taboo thing than violence or gore on tv and in society) they would imitate the exact same behaviour.
Besides that why do you think kissing is not a sexual interaction? It is just of non penetrative nature and therefore carries no risk of physical harm. Which is optimal for children. I didn't get the impression that you've actually read through my link so I'll keep mentioning that.
/ Also, you use the > to quote
I know, but I don't have it on my mobile keyboard ๐
/ Dumbass
Turning this into an emotional argument wont make you look better.
[deleted] ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 18:45:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
If someone has a level of mental instability that makes them a threat to society, which describes active pediphilia, they need to be institutionalized.
I didn't think I had to define sexual interaction, but I guess I do. Anything that touches or sees genitalia or female breasts for the purpose of sexual arousal is sexual interaction. This should never ever happen in Children. Regardless of consent.
I've read your link. You are trying to justify pedophilia on the basis of mutual consent, and the fact that they desire it. So should we make murder legal? After all, some people get sexual arousal from murder, and so if the person consents what's the problem?
I really don't care how I look. I'm pretty sure any sane person agrees pediphilia is disgusting, wrong, and should always be illegal.
[deleted] ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 15:20:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
One world government.
boom456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 19:39:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What advantages do you think this would bring, and do you think people would accept this?
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:23:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
We'd be that much closer to making firefly a reality.
All joking aside - I don't believe people would accept this in the slightest but I think it's acceptable to say that people generally don't do what's best for others.
Regardless of potential advantages - it's the future and I'd love to see it in my lifetime. Ulysses Grant once said; "I believe at some future day, the nations of the earth will agree on some sort of congress which will take cognizance of international questions of difficulty and whose decisions will be as binding as the decisions of the Supreme Court are upon us"
He's just one individual quoted saying as such. The world is an incredibly small space and it's divided by things that don't really matter in the long run. People get rich by pitting people against each other. Coke vs Pepsi - Republican vs Democrat - Israel vs Palestine - North America vs Europe. What have you. I yearn for a day when it ends.
boom456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 20:47:37 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I heavily disagree that it's the future, based almost solely on the fact that no-one would accept it, as such I doubt anyone will build that future.
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 21:12:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I think it's unavoidable. Regardless of who agrees with it or not.
It's amazing what people as a whole have accepted as the norms. Religion - Nation-states - What's morally good and bad. Who's morally good and bad. What's food and what's not food. People accept crazy shit all time time.
I flew almost exactly half way across the world in half a day recently. It's a small world. The 180 or whatever countries are no different than the historical idea of clans or tribes. They eventually will merge or die. I'd love it in my lifetime but we're still a few centuries off.
boom456 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:23:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I'm saying I don't think it'll be the future because it isn't what people want. People accept religion, nation-states, morality, etc. Because they view them as good and productive things, hence they want these things. However I don't think people like the idea of a one world government, therefore I doubt it will manifest
Edit: obviously I'm talking about in the next 10 or so decades, further down the road, who are either of us to say what our descendants may want
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:33:32 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I understand the crux of your suggestions are that it won't work because what people want or don't want. I am countering that I think that people are so easily manipulated that they can have their minds changed swiftly. Regardless I agree that it won't happen in my lifetime. It will eventually happen regardless of what people want. Thx for the convo!
DuctTapeChainsaw ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 12:33:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The eradication of moral relativism.
bobagadoosh13 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 13:51:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hipsters to just... go away, stop existing.
AmusingJellyTrump ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:00:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yeah i also assume they are white young avarage looking males Edit:Sorry guys i posted in the wrong place
elvis8mybaby ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:32:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
USA men's national team win a World Cup. Hell, I'd take a final as well.
RuggedMantis ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:44:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see us go to the freaking moon.
metalzip ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:52:53 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Heaving the Elon Musk's Hyperloop explode (implode) and ripple with the speed of sound all along his 600 mile track, teaching his smug ass not every crazy idea is in fact good.
lordpete ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 14:58:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Montreal Canadiens win the stanley cup
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Total atomic annhilation.
dstoo42 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:13 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A new president
sultangulay ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Stop wars
fuck_ur_mum ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:40:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Eradication of religion.
jacksawbridge ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump re-elected in 4 years.
KaptainBanana ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:49:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
legal rape.
Insomniacrobat ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 15:59:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of leftist ideology and identity politics, and the reinstatement of American freedoms.
RutherfordLaser ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:23:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What are America freedoms? Republicans control everything now, why can't America freedoms be reinstated?
Insomniacrobat ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:26:33 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Because of corporate greed and the will of control over people.
Freedoms from taxation. Needing licenses for everything. Free trade. Free commerce and travel. Freedom from the tyranny of the state and legislation.
Republicans of late are just as happy to take away freedoms as much as democrats are. They're two sides of the same cancerous coin.
EagerSleeper ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:06:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The banning of human drivers from public roads.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:02:44 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
How would that even happen?
EagerSleeper ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 05:36:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Once self-driving vehicles become the norm, the driverless feature will become a dirt-cheap addition to new cars while some future-millionaires will figure out how to retroactively fit the feature to older models.
Soon, entire cities will only allow self-driving cars on public roads. Racetracks and private roads will blow up in popularity as people engage in manual driving as a hobby.
This could save over a million lives per year, speed up travel exponentially, and give riders all of the benefits of not having to do anything in the car without all the worry of non-self-driving cars on the same road.
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 05:49:04 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
There's this simple I have found on why self-driving cars will never be able to fully replace human drivers . Answer me this: What happens when the sensors, or the equipments, or the instruments of the car are broken or malfunctioned?If the "self-driving" software is unable to work at all, should we forbid a qualified human driver from taking the wheel?
EagerSleeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 12:53:07 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Then, just like if anything else malfunctioned, the car would need to be towed.
IamBili ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:21:36 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Suppose this scenario:
The car has the option be driven either by a human through steering wheels, pedals, and other UI equipments, or by a self-driving software
A number of failures, that can't be quickly fixed, happens that prevents the self-driving software from driving the car, but do not prevent a human to do so;
The car and the person is in the middle of nowhere, where towing services, or "car replacements" are unavaliable
In such scenarios, can you argue against the person "taking the wheel", and driving the car by himself/herself?
EagerSleeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:33:13 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The thing about that is that it's a massive bottleneck. If you have to teach a new driver to drive in emergency situations, you have to teach them the whole curriculum as well, but also add on that cars around them will now be going double the speed they do now. The manual driver suddenly becomes a loose screw in an almost perfect machine.
If driving is FULLY automated, many of those listed issues would be equalized.
The efficiency of self-driving towing trucks will be much better, so there wouldn't really be much of a shortage. Hell, you might not even need to dispatch a human, just the truck.
Failsafes would be in place for a sudden system crash. Cars around them will reroute in unison to avoid the car if it absolutely cannot drive itself off the road and into a parking lot/shoulder for whatever reason.
If its a software issue, which would be priority one in self-driving cars and rare, then a simple technician dispatch would be enough...or just call a self-driving Uber and leave your car. Parking won't really be a problem if self-driving cars just stay mobile or can stack in those tiny car garages, so a malfunctioned car should be fine until the truck gets there. People growing up with self-driving cars will learn about basic diagnostics like resetting the onboard computer too.
IamBili ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:38:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Have you read this specific part of my argument?
Because it very clear to me that you haven't
EagerSleeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:45:18 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Wow, okay then.
The situation you've described is the same situation one would have now if any major car part malfunctioned. Even today you can get a tow truck or some form of Uber no matter where you are in the US, but likely at a (very) steep price if you're in the middle of nowhere. Also this is such a rare situation that why would you compromise the entire system because some idiot got stranded in the middle of unpopulated nowhere with no means of getting themselves out if that situation?
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:54:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The possibility of not getting either exists, and in such cases, I ask you again: "can you argue against the person "taking the wheel", and driving the car by himself/herself?"
The group of people you just have called to be "idiots" are farmers, lumberjacks, herders, fishers, miners, oil drillers, etc, whose lives and needs are more important than of city-dwellers, as city-dwellers depends on them for too many things
Such situation will not be rare among them, and it will affect them a lot
EagerSleeper ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:14:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I already said this is a problem people already have when their car breaks down.
You're talking about an extremely unlikely and extremely specific situation where not only has the most important and protected piece of the car (the brain) malfunctioned (but not enough to where the person can't manually drive the car), but also it has happened in the middle of nowhere where there is no coverage from what would be a rapidly growing industry of self-driving tow trucks. And you're also claiming there is no solution to this person's dilemma, yet there definitely are emergency services for this situation.
So yes, I can argue against a person needing to go through all of the steps and ongoing steps required to become a licensed driver so that they can manually drive in that specific situation instead of calling emergency services.
I think you need to look up what "public roads" means.
Also:
What in the fuck?
IamBili ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:30:06 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
So, are you arguing that it is better for them to be stuck on the road, barefoot, with an useless car, than letting them take the "immense" risk of driving the car by themselves? What if they're in the middle of the desert, and they're more at risk of dying by insolation if they walk to the nearest gas station than at risk of dying by driving the car themselves to the gas station?Would you prefer them to die right there than taking the "immense" risk of dying by driving their own cars, with air-conditioner?
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hlessiforever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:54:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Race is a social construct. Your failings are no ones fault but your own, whatever in your life you blame on "the jews" is your fault and your fault alone. You are a failure because of you.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 16:56:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
hlessiforever ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 16:57:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Sweet rebuttal.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:04:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
It wasn't a rebuttal. I was laughing at you. You can't detect social constructs via dna, skull size, the bacteria that live in a person's mouth, etc. Why do social constructs matter when you go for a bone marrow transplant? The "race is a social construct" argument is purely political and not based in science or reality. If stupid shit like that comes out of your mouth, you are either a peddler of cultural marxism and a danger to society and will be killed when more people wake up to what you're doing, or, more likely, you're a victim of lies and too stupid to think for yourself.
hlessiforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:11:08 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Race doesnt matter with bone marrow transplants, compatibility to white blood cell matters professor, skull size? are you talking Phrenology? the racially motivated pseudo science debunked almost a century ago. I dont peddle shit but my bicycle home boy, I just hate seeing morons like you with no self awareness peddle that stormfront bullshit. Also most bacteria in your mouth is caused by outisde environmental forces, you probably have to take more classes from your Prof. Alex Jones. Everything in life is political, every choice you make is inherently political. Also you are a herb, and all of your failings are still only your fault.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:15:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Race does matter with bone marrow transplants. No, I am not talking about phrenology. I am talking about the fact that you can determine someone's race by the size of their skull. I know you don't peddle it, you just believe nonsense because you're stupid. Alex Jones doesn't talk about this stuff, you utter moron. You're just a cliche spouting retard who knows next to nothing about these topics. Also, no one says herb anymore. "all of your failings are still only your fault": another cliche. Try having an original thought for once.
hlessiforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
so you are talking entirely about phrenology. And no race does not matter in bone marrow transplants, whit blood cell and HLA compatibility matters almost all people can interdonate between ethnicities. Just because you read a bunch of pseudo science articles linked to from the stormfront twitter doesn't make you educated on the facts of the matter. Yet again, all your failings are your fault and you will get nowehere because you take no responsibility for how your shitty attitude reflects upon yourself, Your horrible life is your own fault. Sometimes cliches ring true.... you herb.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
That's not phrenology. You have tattooed hands. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA you have tattooed hands.
hlessiforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:25:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
yet again...... And?
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:30:42 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Dude, your hands are too much. I can't. I just can't. You're a ridiculous person.
hlessiforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:32:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
"My arguments don't hold water, so I'm going to take swipes at your physical appearance" Thank you for reminding me I'm discussing things with a white nationalist...... also you are still a herb.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:35:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
All my arguments hold water. If you can determine someone's race from their dna, then race is not a social construct, the debate is over, and the only thing left to do is laugh at your hands.
hlessiforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:39:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yet again you are wrong, you have always been wrong and deep down I think you know it... and go ahead laugh at my hands, that is a really strange way you choose to use your time little homey. Every argument you have made has fallen apart and pretty quickly at that. I am done screaming at a wall though so I'm gonna go take my dog for a walk. I hope you eventually get the help you need and become a productive member of your community. You herb.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:41:26 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You can determine someone's race through their dna. This will be true no matter how many times you say it isn't. You are a stupid person with stupid tattoos on your hands.
https://www.23andme.com/
hlessiforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:48:48 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Did you link to the same 23 and me that was sued for misleading people about the accuracy of there tests? (https://www.slashgear.com/23andme-class-action-lawsuit-claims-misleading-advertisements-02307357/). Most non pop scienteists agree that DNA testing for direct racial accuity is bullshit. You pedantic herb. I'd rather have stupid tattoos, than an inability to take personal responsibility for all my failings.... you know, like a white nationalist. Watching you flail and scream about my hands is funny and all but I really do have to take my dog out.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:53:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yes, that 23andMe. The one that can determine your race by your dna. It is a fact that you can determine race by dna. Also by skull size, bone structure, and the bacteria that lives in your mouth. The police do it https://twitter.com/mcpnews/status/877944070932508672. Live in reality, wigger.
And I just saw your Instagram. Scrawny gingers with shitty tattoos like you don't get to call people herbs.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 17:23:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
https://www.reddit.com/r/trees/comments/1u5jrd/my_first_roll_of_2014_was_covered_in_24k_gold/
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. Look. At. Your. Fucking. Hands. Oh my fucking god. I'm arguing with someone who has tattooed hands and uses the word herb. Lay off the weed, dude. This made my day. Thanks.
hlessiforever ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:24:29 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
okay.......?
md715fox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:29:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol you're insane.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:36:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Why?
md715fox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:45:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holocaust denial and antisemitism. Either one reflects poorly but both at once is.... Unfortunate.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:58:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You likely know very little about either. You just know they're bad, gross, eww, yucky. It's a preconditioned response, and you're too stupid to realize it.
md715fox ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:23:17 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Great job jumping to conclusions. I would debate with you why I believe what I said, though given your stance on the topic I doubt it would get me anywhere, though I am curious, why/how do you believe the Holocaust is a fabrication, and, since you said my disdain for antisemitism is "preconditioned", what is YOUR reasoning for hating Jewish people? Genuinely curious.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 17:29:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I believe the holocaust is a lie because there is no physical evidence that it happened. We believe it happened because the communists said so. And I don't "hate" Jewish people. The fact that you think my comment means I hate Jewish people is more evidence of your preconditioning. If you're genuinely curious about the topic, then read Culture of Critique. It's a complicated topic and not something I can really explain to you here, especially since you exhibit signs of preconditioning that will be very difficult to get through.
nwhiking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:22:25 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The communists said so??? You've concluded it's a lie because of communists... Solid research. You're ready to read some bullshit but deny the actual stories of what happened by people who survived and perished in this tragic event. You're hate speech is evident in all of your negative comments.
ShlomoRoseberg ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 03:28:33 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
What the hell are you talking about?
nwhiking ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 04:07:52 on August 14, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Blatant racism and antisemitism. Dafuq you think hate speech looks like.
IsleCook ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 16:41:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of the Electoral College.
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 00:59:34 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Fuck the Midwestern states, right?
IsleCook ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:01:22 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Yep.
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 01:06:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good for you, you little dictator.
Scrimshawmud ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:06:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The abolition of firearms globally.
Aciddro ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 17:07:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The world under one government
[deleted] ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 17:24:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Holy shit. You legitimately think that's a good idea?
v1000 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:55:45 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Actually going to the moon.
NevrDrinksNDraws ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 18:56:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Singlepayer healthcare - Universal coverage for all in the United States.
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:00:57 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I just want you to realize if that happened, every college would be Evergreen.
NevrDrinksNDraws ยท 0 points ยท Posted at 04:04:41 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Guess everyone will be going to an Evergreen!
Figgywithit ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 19:52:16 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cigarettes eradicated.
Mystic_L ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:04:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man setting foot on the moon
ikazejin ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 20:05:44 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Cloning, exactly for the reason you're thinking of.
feenarde ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 21:00:49 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of racism.
WhiskeyWeekends ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:04:26 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Not gonna happen.
meusnomenestiesus ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:06:41 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The destruction of fascism and the establishment of a global worker's union!
Or Elder Scrolls VI.
Or fewer Trumps and more Sanders in the world.
Ok, I'll settle for extreme poverty to continue to decline to a negligible point.
Wow_Unique_Username ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:27:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Donald Trump get reelected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!
Cychi132 ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 22:47:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see Trump killed :P
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MysteryBop ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 23:11:28 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hoverboards. Imagine how cool it would be to hover around on streets.
Henry2k ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 00:40:40 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A U.S. President get impeached. I don't mean just technically impeached like Bill Clinton was. I mean like forcibly removed from office kicking and screaming "all you did was weaken a country today" "the major news outlets are fake news" "waaa waaa waaaa". Well, not just any U.S. President, a very orange one in particular. I'm foaming in my pants just thinking about it.
Vault420Overseer ยท -1 points ยท Posted at 02:40:20 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I want to see a random person pissing on trumps grave.
raznarukus ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 13:49:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World War 4
gattagofaster ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 14:38:15 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of the Zionist terrorist organization known as Israel
Edit: drown me in your downvotes, I will become a shaheed. We love death like you love life.
TinyTom99 ยท 4 points ยท Posted at 15:56:04 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The death of the Hate-filled terrorist organizations surrounding Israel
Mdiasrodrigu ยท -10 points ยท Posted at 13:00:58 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of trolling
Dead-A-Chek ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:15:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Good troll
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69YouSlyFox ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 16:06:35 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Do you not see the irony in your statement? You're making generalizations about a group of people who supposedly use generalizations to hate against those who are gay, of different races, ethnicities, etc. You're logic is every bit as flawed and bigoted as actual racism, homophobia and misogyny.
NotTactical ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:50:07 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Uh yeah, fuck no buddy.
dukeofender ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 12:59:03 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Me, IN SPAAAAAAAAACE!
Most_Triumphant ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:05:14 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
End of abortion. Not just by making it illegal on moral grounds, but making them unnecessary by taking care of healthcare for pregnant woman their children.
Friedcuauhtli ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 15:18:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
And contraceptive, or do you also consider that immoral? Also why do you consider abortion immoral?
Most_Triumphant ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 22:58:09 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
I do find contraception immoral (though based on religious views, so I wouldn't really call for making it illegal). Abortion is immoral because it kills a unique individual who is at no fault.
killer3james ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 13:59:55 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Another mass genocide
Zarkonirk ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:13:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Quรฉbec becoming a country.
MelMes85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 15:45:23 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Lol why
Zarkonirk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:07:50 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
My nation's self-determination is something I wish to see happening in my lifetime, I don't know why it seems strange.
MelMes85 ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 16:11:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
You're a part of Canada, and it's not just you who has a say here, it's the rest of Quebec. It's been voted on before, and lost. You have self-determination as a province. Why is that not good enough?
Zarkonirk ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:15:05 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
When you loose by 0,1%, it doesn't put an issue aside. Canada was supposed to be a confederation, which I would be okay with, but it has become an ever now centralised federation.
There is a clear identity problem and, even though the movement has lost its momentum, it was not translated by an identity shift towards Canada.
boonie_butt_bandit ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:18:21 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
all commies sterilized
C-137_Pete ยท 2 points ยท Posted at 14:19:31 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Communism is not hereditary
xXSleoXx ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:36:25 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
A cigarette free world, VapeNation.
NotASilver ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:37:40 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This might be kind of assholish but I kinda wanna see WWIII...
JablesRadio ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:48:46 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Man made global warming ultimately shown for the money making scam that it is.
metalzip ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 14:53:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Hillary Clinton, and child sex trafficers (orphans from Haiti) being sent to prison.
DeeDeeInDC ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:39:11 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Trump gets impeached
vercig09 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:41:06 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Putting Trump in prison.
hollywood_vegan ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 15:49:43 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
World Vegan lifestyle. Watch my videos on YouTube. Search " Hollywood Vegan" on YouTube and subscribe for new videos everyday!
delirium_trigger2001 ยท -2 points ยท Posted at 23:14:38 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
fucking 2 chicks with one dick at the same time
EnchantedRose21 ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 12:42:52 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
First female president.
sayge ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 13:05:01 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
In the US, I assume.
UndercoverPatriot ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 14:06:27 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Well, first we need a good candidate.
glusnifr ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 13:41:00 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
This can be achieved by looking at Republican candidates!
Physical_removal ยท -3 points ยท Posted at 14:51:39 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Physical removal
[deleted] ยท -5 points ยท Posted at 13:50:30 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The criminalization of sodomy and a purge of the sodomites and their supporters.
mangledeye ยท 3 points ยท Posted at 14:02:22 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ณ๏ธโ๐
[deleted] ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 18:58:24 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
Burn in hell soon pedophile.
mangledeye ยท 1 points ยท Posted at 01:02:45 on August 8, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
๐ณ๏ธโ๐๐
KingofNorthKorea ยท -6 points ยท Posted at 14:39:02 on August 7, 2017 ยท (Permalink)
The end of all communism, socialism and Islam.